Leo Skepi | Dumb Blonde Podcast

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good and he is a tall glass of water. Leo, baby, what is up? >> Hi, baby. I'm so excited to be here, >> dude. I'm so happy you're here. I did. not know you were a Texas boy. >> I was born in Florida, but I just moved. to Houston. >> Oh, okay. So, how long have you been in. Houston? Cuz I'm from Houston. >> I'm coming up on a year. Oh, wow. >> And I'm already sick of it. >> Oh, really? I was just That was my next. question. Why are you sick of it? >> I just feel like I've outgrown it. >> Yeah. And I don't mean to like be like. an egotistical [ __ ] but like. >> the opportunities there, >> they don't excite me.

>> I like to be scared. I like to feel like. I'm intimidated by an opportunity. >> and I don't feel that. Like LA is where. I'm moving to in July. >> Oh wow. Okay. >> Plot twist. I haven't told anyone that. >> Wow. That's crazy. >> I'm moving cuz like that's the scared. >> So I grew up on the West Coast and if I. could give you any advice before you go. to LA and I don't want to crush your. dreams. I feel LA has lost its sparkle. It's not like it used to be. Yeah. I. don't know how much time you've spent. out there, but like I grew up LA Vegas. So, it's like back in the day that was. it was like so cool. And now I feel like.

every time I go there like I really feel. like it's just like a city of lost souls. if that makes sense. >> So, I don't know. But I not to be a. dream killer, but. >> no. I literally went there for six days. for a trip and I was like, "Oh, I love. it. Here I come.". >> A [laughter] I love it. Well, then go. baby, go. >> It was more like the people that I met. >> that made it the experience. There were. some fake people. You can just smell it. A lot of people say LA is fake. There's. all this and that. Like if you don't. have a good judge of character, of. course, but I can kind of like just like. smell it. >> No, I think you can see through people's.

for sure. >> So, I fell in love with you on TikTok. I. think you came across my page and I was. like, who is this fine? I was like, he is beautiful. But not. only just your looks, your just how you. are on the inside is what's so beautiful. to me and like what drew me in with you. And then as I started watching you, I. was like, "Oh my god, I need to have him. on the podcast." And then I saw how many. other people love you. And then I found. out you had a podcast. Let's talk about. your podcast. >> Yeah, my podcast. I'm the first gay. person to chart number one in education.

>> I love that. >> Which is huge. Like I get chills talking. about it. Like my nipples are so hard. >> Like it's it's insane. >> But like that podcast, I literally. started it from my dad's closet. Like I. just had my phone. It's funny in the. closet, >> but I just started like with my phone in. the closet like propped up on a shelf. and I would just talk. >> and I would just share like anything. I've learned and knew about life that I. couldn't find when I was like struggling. and then it just like. >> snowballed and I've been doing it for. like a year and a half. In the past 3.

months it has blown up. >> a. >> and now I'm not in the closet no more. >> literally or figuratively. >> Isn't it crazy how podcasts can be so. therapeutic? >> Oh, I love it. >> I suffer from really bad mental health. I have really bad anxiety and like uh. suicidal ideiation and stuff like that. which you we just had told me that you. had about with that. Um and I've been. doing my podcast for 5 years and it's. been one of the most therapeutic things. I've ever done. >> It really is. >> really helped me kind of come out of my. shell. >> Yeah. Mine kind of is like sharing what.

I've learned but it like heals me in a. weird way by like sharing what I've been. through and sharing how I've overcome. it. I learn a lot of things and it's. like my own little therapy, but I'm the. therapist and the client, >> right? [laughter] You control the. narrative. I totally understand. >> It's so nice. But I fully get it. And. there's been multiple times where the. things that I say, I always speak to my. younger self in my podcast. So, my. messages are very harsh and direct and. harsh truths and it's like I baby you. when it's necessary and then I tell you. to get off and quit being a.

>> I think people need that though. >> Yeah. But like there's so many times. where I'll say certain things that I. needed to hear so bad and when I'm. editing it back, I'll just start balling. like a baby and I'm like hearing like. myself say it, hearing anyone say it was. just like wo. >> like I have those moments. I love it. >> Yeah, I love that too. I love listening. to you cuz you are so kind of poetic. with your words too. You draw people in. Let's rewind it though. I want to know. more about you like where you came from. like growing up. I want to know about.

childhood traumas. I want to know all. about Leo and how I want to pronounce. your last name. How do I say it? Is it. Skppy? >> Yes, Skppy. >> Skppy. Okay. I wanted to make sure I. said it right. I want to know all about. Leo Skppy. So, where was Leo born? >> Pensacola, Florida. >> Okay. >> Well, every time I say I'm from Florida, people are like, "Oh, Miami." I'm like, the absolute opposite end of it in the. worst spot. [laughter]. >> Pensacola is right next to Alabama, but. it's also right next to the beach, right? >> So, you get so many different dynamics. of people. Like, you have like the. little city people. It's like there's. certain areas that are like ghetto as.

hell. Like the murder rate and the crime. rate is so bad. And then you have like. the Hicks and like the country people. from Alabama who don't mind their, >> right? >> And so I have like that and then you. have like the beach people. >> and it's like it just was a melting pot. But it contributed to me being who I am. >> Like I got it all. >> Did you grow up there like your whole. life? Okay. So that's where you grew up. And then were you raised by mom and dad? >> Yes. So my dad is Albanian and my mom is. white. That's where your intensity comes. from. Albanian. >> My mom moved in with my dad and his.

family at 16 when they met. So, she was. raised as an Albanian girl. So, she has. all the morals, traits, values. >> So, that's kind of like how. >> it's like I she's white, but I was. raised in like a traditionally Albanian. household and. >> nuts. [laughter]. >> Was it super strict growing up or like. super religious? Not really. But. I don't know how to explain it. Like it. wasn't bad. You're just raised. It's. like the way you can explain the.

Albanian. way of life and culture is it's the all. the morals and values of like the mob. mafia lifestyle are instilled in. everyday people. So like the loyalty, respect, all of that is like. >> very high held. >> Absolutely. And that's how you're. judged. I grew up with a bunch of. Calaldians in Vegas and that's how they. operate too. >> Yeah. Like there's no betrayal, there's. no nothing. And if you cross one, you. cross all. >> Yeah. >> So everybody will come at you. Like. that's just that's the way I can explain.

Albanian culture. But like the biggest. thing. >> for me kind of with all that. >> back to my past and all that. Bullied in. high school. I was fat. I was ugly. I. was all that. But the biggest thing with. the Albanian culture. >> is the most like the biggest disgrace. and the worst thing you can do is be. gay. Oh, and here I am. >> So, were you always did you when you. were a baby? Did not a baby, but like. you know growing up, did you always were. you always attracted to boys or did.

something happen? Like was something. traumatic or. >> I wish it was that simple. [laughter]. Like I wish some like something happened. to me. >> No, it was kind of like a battle. >> with my sexuality. >> Mhm. And I started getting feelings for. guys at a younger age, like middle. school type, but I was like, "No, they're just my friends, right?" And I. was like looking at them a little. different, and I would just shut it down. in my head. >> I was humping girls when I was five. [laughter] So, I mean, I listen, I was a. horny little goat. It's all right, you. know? Like, you I think it just is.

something. And but the thing is is like. I don't consider myself gay because like. I love men. I need penetration, but I. also appreciate women, you know? So, it's like does that make me buy? I don't. know. You know, like I think everybody. wants a label and it's just like just be. who you are. Love who you love. >> I know I'm like that. I wish I wasn't. gay, but I'm just the it. I can't help. it. [laughter] Like I like men, but I. don't like little [ __ ] men, >> right? >> I like tough men. >> We're going to get into that because. when I [laughter] first saw you, I was. like, he ising hot. So, I would think. that women would try to like turn you.

out because you're so masculine, but. you're like so in touch with your. feelings and like you're like a dream. guy for every girl. Like, you know, every woman, every woman's probably. like, "I am so confused watching this. man every day.". >> Yeah. I have a lot of people that try. and like convert me and sway me. But one. thing that I do do is I don't. >> He said that so calmly. He said, "I do. have a lot of people who try to convert. me and sway me.". >> Yeah. But like I do like to make out. with my girlfriends. I love kissing. girls. I love being affectionate. But.

when it comes to sex, it's like that's. >> I need the masculinity. >> Yeah. >> It would just be so easy if I was. straight. So easy. >> I mean, but it's you love who you love, you know? It's like me. I like to make. out with girls whenever I'm drunk or. like I'm going out too, you know? But I. need a man and toss me around. [laughter] So, let's bring it back. Um, you said in high in junior high school. is when you started noticing that you. were attracted to boys and stuff like. that. Take me on that journey cuz you're. in this really, you know, I don't want.

to say strict Albanian. lifestyle, but you know, you were raised. in a certain way where that's it wasn't. acceptable. >> Yeah. So, I had the thoughts, but I. immediately just shut them down. Like. even like as I got into high school, I. was more like, "Okay, I am 100% into. guys. Like, I know it. But I was like. that will never. >> come out of me. >> I will never act on it. I will never do. anything. I will that's not a potential. So don't even think that way. >> And I just shut it down inside myself.

>> Do you think you did that because of how. you were raised or because you were like. okay. >> And like for me that someone looks that. looks like me. >> and behaves like me and is from where. I'm from. >> That's. I never in my life thought I would come. out. >> ever. And just like to have like I'm. such a contradiction. Like the typical. gay I'm not. >> Right. >> And the typical straight dude I'm not. Like I don't I've never felt a sense of. belonging or felt like I've fit in. So I. don't know why I thought I'd have like. an easy time with sexuality, but I don't.

fit any kind of like stereotype, right? >> And I like it now. >> No, I love that though. >> Damn challenge to get here. >> So when you finally did, were you close. with your dad and close with your mom or. how was that relationship? And do you. have brothers and sisters? >> Yes, my sisters. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter]. >> So, I have a sister and my parents, my. relationship with my parents has been. back and forth. Like they got dived. divorced when I was like a child, >> but it strung out in court and it was. like an absolute. >> just like a lot of.

like things kids shouldn't know. >> Oh, >> we were told and we had to make adult. decisions from a young age. >> Oh. >> And then it was like like the loyalty. thing. Mhm. >> When you showed appreciation or cared. about one parent, the other parent took. it as a betrayal. >> So, it was very hard to navigate like I. came from both of you and you want me to. pick. It's like it's one parent was. always pushing more of the picking, but. it wasn't really it was just a lot to.

take in and it was hectic with that. But. what was the question? I got off track. >> No, I mean I was just saying, were you. close to your parents? >> Yes, I was close with them, but we had. our I've cut both of them off at. multiple points. Like I've stopped. talking to both of my parents. I. sometimes they sometimes it just was. back and forth. But now I'm in a place. where. >> we're good, >> right? >> So. >> growth. Yeah. >> Like everything happened how it had to. and we wouldn't be where we are. >> Isn't it so crazy how dysfunctional all. of our parents are like every every one.

of us sitting in this room [ __ ]. besides the two that you know that share. parents. It's like we all have. dysfunctional ass parents, you know? Like they just did not heal. They were. the generation that chose not to heal. And I feel like we're the generation. that has came in and we're like, bro, we. are going to up and we're going to. change this no matter what the genetic. DNA and trauma. We are just changing. this that for all of us. >> Yeah. I think the biggest thing with. that kind of perspective on it is our.

parents, they had they feel things. They don't. like certain. They don't follow the way. that they feel. They don't care that. they're uncomfortable. they'll just suck. it up and just deal with our generation. is like okay why am I upset. >> do I actually have to continue doing. this we started questioning. >> and it's like we don't actually have to. do this like to live a miserable life no. >> I'm not doing it yet [laughter]. >> so when did you come out to your parents. was it after high school [laughter].

>> he's like I'm about to get uncomfortable. >> I am sweating already. >> a take a drink of your. >> a drink and a cigarette you have a. We have Trulies. Trulies have vodka in. them, right? I don't know. I've never. drank one. I'm sober, so I don't drink. them. >> I know. When I found out you didn't. drink, I was like, "Oh.". >> Uh, I had to. Okay. I listen, it was. bad. I was popping pills and drinking. bottles of vodka by myself. It was a. thing. >> I grew up in Vegas, okay? Like, I lived. the Vegas lifestyle.

[laughter]. >> Okay. So, I have to talk about kind of. coming to terms with my sexuality a. little first because I went from like, >> okay, I know that I'm into guys, but I. will never act on it. And then I started. seeing a therapist. >> and I was like, this. >> I love that you were that young and you. were so conscious to go see a therapist. >> Yeah. I was like 19. >> Wow. >> The reason I went to a therapist is. because I hadn't cried since I'm like. 12. >> Oh. >> So, I was like 19 and I was like, why. don't I feel the emotion of sadness? Like, I don't feel sad. I get pissed off.

or I'm happy. >> Why did you think that was or did you. come to a conclusion of why that was? >> Um. sad and being hurt in any way was looked. at looked at as a weakness. >> So I completely cut off from that part. of myself. Like I would feel numb, pissed off or happy. >> And I got such like a deep pit of like. that numbness one time. I was like I'm. having all these like traumatic ass. things happen to me and I don't cry. >> I was like what the hell's going on? >> Yeah. So, I'm like 19. I'm like, "Oh,

how I made money was another story.". >> Oh, we're gonna we're gonna talk about. that, too. Don't think you're getting. out of that. Were you already doing that. in high school? I thought maybe that. would be after, but were you you said. some traumatic things were happening to. you. What are some of those traumatic. things that were going on that you. weren't reacting to? >> Okay. So, like everything going on with. my parents, betrayals from other family. members, >> um trying to be killed by a few people, one was family. >> Why? Um, crazy.

Um, [laughter] my stepdad. was extremely I don't know how to. explain him and the dynamic of him, but. he was like extremely. abusive. and. prepared me for life. Like he was an. ex-con, had murdered a bunch of people, served his time, got out, still operated. from the prison mentality. >> So he feel like it's hard to break that. >> Oh, you can't break it. Mhm. >> It's like when people come back from. war, like you once you get.

>> your brain completely altered, >> like when you see the world in that way, you can't forget it. So like he knew how. dark the world was and he wanted to. prepare me for it. But what he did to me. was like do everything to me that could. be done to prepare me. >> So like anything you can imagine like. went through it. Like he had like choked. me out, put a gun to my head, like. attacked me when I was sleeping multiple. times. So I was always ready even while. I'm asleep. Like people will come up to. me now and like try to put a blanket on. me when I'm sleeping and my body just.

like I start like swinging. >> just out of like that. >> Did you ever suffer from like anxiety. and stuff like that? Just. >> that was the least of my worries. Anxiety, depression. >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. He's like I'm. trying to survive, >> right? Like all of that was there, but. like that was a lot of it. And then he. >> was ever Did he ever sexually abuse you? >> No. >> Okay. >> Luckily. >> Yeah. I mean he did everything else. >> What else at that point? I could have. handled it. [laughter]. >> God, that's terrible though. How old. were you going through that? >> I was It was like 16 to 18. >> That's so up. And did your mom know that.

was happening? >> Not really. But he was abusing the hell. out of her, too. >> So like he. was doing similar like abusive things to. her. So we were both like trapped. together. >> and a lot of weird. But he died like. tragically. >> karma. He was going likeund like 150 mph on a. bike. He had a Hayabusa and he would. trick it out to go like 300 miles an. hour. He was going like 150 and a car.

pulled out when he was going down some. like. >> Oh my gosh. >> I don't know a freeway or whatever the. was like he pulled out. Someone pulled. out and he hit them. >> and he flew like 60 ft in the air. His. head came off and his helmet. He was. laying on the side of the road. >> God. >> Yeah, that was like a big thing. But I. didn't cry. >> for like a few months. >> Well, I mean that's kind of warranted. The dude traumatized you, you know, >> but I loved him so much. >> You had a trauma bond with him. >> It's weird. >> Yeah. >> Like he I know he hurt me in so many.

ways, but like his intention was to help. me and prepare me. So I know you me up a. lot, but. >> I could take on anything in this world. now. I have no fear. >> Yeah. >> And I don't say that lightly. >> I think it's beautiful that you look at. it that way. [laughter] I really do. And. I understand it because I was in a. severely domestic violence relationship. and it has taken me years to cut that. cord with the person who hurt me the. most physically and emotionally. So I. totally understand. Um the way that. you're looking at it is beautiful though. and I it's inspiring because most kids.

who would be in that situation would I. don't want to say feel sorry for. themselves but would internalize that. and it would come out in other ways. So, I think for you to be able to look at it. and kind of make it into a positive is a. beautiful thing. >> Yeah. This the real thing that made me. flip my perspective on it was. when he died. It's like he was this. thing that was untouchable. Like no one. could hurt him. No one could touch him. I had seen him get shot. I had seen him. get stabbed. I had seen him been hit by.

cars. >> I had seen him like take on groups of 15. people and knock them all out. Didn't. get touched once. >> like aing superhero. And like I had this. person, it was weird. Like when I was on. his side, I was untouchable. >> If he was mad at me, I was like he. would. >> So on his good side, I felt like safe. and protected. Like he was showing me. how bad the world was. But he was the. only one that could hurt me. >> And then I saw how like dark the world. is and what can actually happen, what. people are capable of.

>> Yeah. And when I lost him, I was so. scared. >> because I was like, this person showed. me how bad the world is and is no longer. here to help me. >> to protect you. >> And I was just like, that's what made me. flip it in my mind of like now I'm sad I. lost him because I'm terrified. >> A. >> that was like a big part of it. >> So take me on that journey after losing. him. What you were already getting. involved in stuff, illegal activities. >> Yeah. Can we talk about it a little bit?

Let's talk about it. >> I know you said you've hinted about it. online and stuff like that, but what was. Leo doing? Were you like, >> so. >> when I was 17, I started. >> I want to say escorting. >> Okay. >> Buting for money basically. >> I love it. >> But I would never anyone. >> for money that I went free, >> right? >> You know what I mean? So I was like, I. don't want to do no nasty. >> Yeah. >> But I started like having for money. How. old were you? >> Started off I was 17.

>> Okay. >> Like I couldn't get hired anywhere. I. was trying to get jobs places. Couldn't. get hired. So I was like I got to make. money. >> Yeah. >> So. >> I was an escort for in Vegas. >> I know. That's why I'm comfortable. talking to you about it cuz [laughter]. you get it. >> Yeah. No, I understand 100%. >> I kind of miss it. It's so fun. >> Listen listen. Do I not always say if I. I will suck a for an outfit if I have. to? >> I'm tired [laughter] of spending my own. money. No, it was Listen, when you are. accustomed to a certain type of. lifestyle and people just being a sugar. baby like it is really hard to ac.

acclimate to the normal world. I will. harvest money in my bank account asking. me I will not spend it. Like I it's just. it's a frame of mind that you just. unless you've lived the lifestyle you. don't really understand it, >> right? I'll get into my sugar daddy. story. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> But. >> so 17 that's that's young cuz you are. underage you know. Um, who introduced. you to that? >> Nobody. >> Nobody. You just came up with it on your. own or did somebody make an offer to. you? >> Because I know my first the.

[clears throat] first time I ever turned. a trick was I was How old was I? >> Well, technically I guess I was 18. because my first sugar daddy hired me at. my job and bought me my first car. So, but I didn't turn It was a Honda. >> Okay. >> This was back in 1998. >> That was when I was born. >> Yeah. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. No, I've lived a few lives before you, baby. >> Oh, I [laughter] love it. >> Um, but then my first trick I ever. turned, I had met the guy in the strip. club and he was Persian. And if I can. Yeah. So,

>> I love it. >> Yeah. Let me hear about this. So, 17, you decided that you were going to enter. the adult entertainment world. >> Not really entertainment, just like the. adult like. >> I had something I knew people wanted. >> Yeah. >> A big and I was young and I was cute. >> Like that was when I finally like got my. body in shape. I stopped being fat and I. was like attractive. So, I was like, "All right, let's try it." And I had a. situation happen where it was like I was. I was at a certain hair salon I used to. go to. Like I would like be strategic.

>> I was going to like a nice hair salon. and the lady that would cut my hair. would have people sit under the dryer. and cut my hair like women like rich. women would like sit in the chair and I. would get my haircut and then we would. like shoot. One time there was a girl. there. I'm not going to say her name, [laughter] but we were like shooting. We. got along and then she like asked for my. number before I left. So like we talked. We hung out one time and then another. time she saw me in the chair. I had on a.

shirt that should said like sugar mama. wanted like as a joke. >> Like I just like had the shirt. I was. like, "Oh, it's funny." And then we. ended up hooking up. >> Was she older? >> Yes. >> Okay. How much? >> 41. Wow. Something. >> And you were 17? >> Mhm. >> I could never I'm 43. I could never look. at a 17-year-old and be like m like this. is not maybe 22 but not 17. [laughter]. >> I never looked or acted my age. Like I. don't act 25. I don't look 25. >> No, you don't. You do carry yourself. very. >> So we ended up hooking up and then when. I was like going to leave, she handed me. 500 bucks.

>> Wow. >> And I was like, "What's that for?" And. she was like, "Oh, I saw your shirt.". And I was like, "Oh, okay.". >> She's done this before. >> I was like, "Fun." So I kept seeing her. like a little bit and then I was like, "This could be a thing, >> right?" But then I realized like sugar. mamas are harder to find than sugar. daddies. So that's when I was like I'll. start exploring sugar daddies and men. for money. >> Okay. So before you did that, were you. still kind of like trying to, you know, squash down those feelings of being with.

men or had you already been with a man? >> I hadn't. >> You hadn't been with a man yet. Okay. >> So I I don't know if I have or hadn't. I can't remember. >> There's too much to fill in. We're going. to But with therapy, the whole thing. with that, like I was talking to my. therapist and that was the first person. I talked to about the feelings I had. And like when I was trying to speak it, >> my body like full fight or flight mode, like I couldn't speak. >> Like I couldn't speak like I think I.

might be attracted to men. Like I could. not get it out. I was sweating. >> and like my body was like shutting down. It's like everything inside me was like. not letting me reveal this truth. And. it's like I had to like rip it out of. myself. I was like, "Can you just speak. it out?" And my therapist was like, "No, you're totally fine. You're totally. fine." And just like held space for me. >> And then I got it out. And the I. am so egotistical. >> and [laughter] ego driven. And I was. bringing it up to her like I'm into guys.

because I like to demasculinize them. Like I like to men and like I'm. attracted to men that I could like I see. all macho and tough stuff and then I get. to them. It's like that is still a. fetish of mine. >> No, I completely understand. I have said. it a million times on my podcast. I got. into escortings because I got to take. men's money. I would rob them. I would. tell them when they could touch me, how. they could touch me. And this was. because I was abused as as a little. girl. So, it was me taking my power. back. So, for you, it was the same thing. of you taking your power back. that for.

you is healing. >> Because I heard someone, I think it was. Teal Swan, she talked about the version. of healing that everybody thinks it is. is not it. Like healing is to experience. the opposite. So if you had an. experience where you were taken. advantage of and didn't have any control. over a sexual situation, to experience a. sexual situation where you have all the. control, that's healing. Even though. people were like, "Oh, you stole you. this. You that shut up.". >> That healed you. That experience was. healing. You are my bestie, Leah.

[laughter]. >> I'll fight for you. >> I love you. Literally same. Um, but for you, was. that the same experience? Like whenever. you finally did get to be with men, was. it healing for you because you you were, you know, I don't want to I don't I know. this might be the wrong word to use, but. you felt so helpless as a child because. you were being I don't want to, you. know, abused by your stepfather. Do you. think that might have played a role even. younger? Like you didn't have an.

opinion. You weren't allowed to have an. opinion because of being raised in, you. know, that lifestyle. So, you had to be. matcha. You had to be manly. So, do you. think that maybe that in turn kind of. like internalized into feelings of what. you were starting to feel for other men. and about how you wanted to dominate. them and stuff? >> I tried to pick it apart from every. angle. I just didn't want to have to. accept that I was gay. Yeah, >> I literally was like, "No, I'm not into. guys. I just I want to look like certain. guys. I'm not attracted to them. I just.

admire certain traits." My therapist was. like, >> "That's not typically how it goes.". Like, she would politely like shut down. all the holes I was trying to shoot in. my argument of like I'm like, I didn't. want to be. That was like the worst. thing I could be for myself and my life. >> But it's it's beautiful though. I love. it. >> But I was literally like trying to. nitpick it. And I was like, am I. attracted to them? >> No. I just like to demasculineize them. And then you kind of. like [laughter]. >> a.

do and like I started like. >> experimenting. and then I started. >> Do you remember the first time with a a. man or no? Were you probably too. nervous? And were you getting paid? Was your. first time with a man getting paid? It. wasn't transactional, >> right? >> But I got paid, >> right? Okay, gotcha. [laughter]. >> So, you were a sugar baby. >> basically. So, that's my first like.

situation. >> Okay. >> And like I was. >> Okay. So, like I met this guy and this. is where my whole coming out part comes. and I haven't talked about any of this. Okay. >> I've talked about my piece of ex that I. hate and this is him. But I met this guy. online and he was basically like. we he wants to hang out, but I was like, "What the am I going to get?" Like we. were on a sugar daddy website, >> right? >> Let's make it clear. I'm not someone. that likes gray area.

>> Yeah. Me either. >> I don't like to. >> get to the point, >> right? >> Absolutely. >> Like if there's a transaction, I want. both ends clear, >> right? >> So it was basically come fly to Atlanta. and hang out with me for the weekend. And he was like, "What would you like. want to do like shopping wise?" And I. was like, "I want a Louis Vuitton. backpack." And it was like 3K. And I was. like, "I'm getting a Louis Vuitton. backpack." I was like, "Okay, so we'll. hang out." And there was no like. promised or anything like that. It was. just like, "Hang out, see where it. goes.". >> Right? >> And when I got there and we met, it was.

like. the money part was enticing and I knew I. was getting a backpack, but feelings. quickly arose. Oh, >> and I was like, "This is not a sugar. daddy dynamic. This is not. >> a escort dynamic. This is like. >> weird." Right. >> And we were attracted to him. >> Yeah. When we went to the mall, >> his behaviors made him attractive at the. time. >> He wasn't that cute, [laughter]. >> but like it was my first time.

>> And I don't know who you're talking. about, so. >> Yeah. It was my first time like getting. close with a guy like that. So, I was. like overwhelmed like what the. >> able to be your true self. Yeah. >> And somebody wasn't judging you. >> So, we ended up hanging out over the. weekend. It was fun. We went to the. mall. I got the backpack. And then. >> I love that he loves the backpack. [laughter]. >> Even now when you talk about the. backpack, your little shoulders get. going. >> Like it was my first like. >> reflection of like. >> Yeah. >> money. It was like value. It was weird. cuz I was raised very transactional.

>> Like money is what's going to make you. happy. If you don't have money, you have. nothing. Mh. >> So I was in school for nursing school at. like from 18 to 21 and then I graduated. at 21 and this is when I met this dude. >> Okay. >> So we went to the mall, got the. backpack, had sex that night. >> because I was feeling it. Like I was. like, let's do it. Like we made out and. it was just like. >> hot. >> All right, let's try it. >> Um next day we go back to the mall.

>> and he dropped like $15,000 more dollars. on me. >> Wow. like a Cardier bracelet, a Versace. comforter, like some hoodies, just like. anything I wanted. We were just like. running around like I was giving Pretty. Woman as. >> But I was like, "This is fun.". [laughter]. >> But like that high. >> Mhm. >> of touching that type and like having. that lifestyle, >> I was like, "Wo.". >> Yep. >> And then I saw him again and again and. again and I just kept flying to see him. like every other weekend. Like I'd go. home and work and then I'd go see him. and it was just back and forth. that.

every time we'd hang out, he was like. buying me a bunch of. >> like anything I wanted, we'd get it. And. we started traveling and doing all these. things. But basically how it came to. coming out, I was traveling to go see. this man a lot. >> Yeah. >> And my sister knew the truth from the. get-go. She's the only one I told about. everything. >> She's beautiful, by the way. >> Thank you. [laughter]. >> Gorgeous. >> She looks like she don't play, though. >> Oh, she's just like me. >> Yeah, you could. She has that aura of. her like fun like yeah the more like fun.

outgoing one and she's like. >> she's fun and outgoing but she observes. first like she's like held back and just. like cool but then as soon as you like. >> make her feel comfortable she'll like. open up and she's just like me. >> I love that. >> she's so awesome she's [laughter] very. protective too. >> a Is she older. >> yes. >> we're talking about her like she's not. here but she's sitting right here. [laughter]. >> I love that. >> so with the whole like traveling a lot I. was like my parents were starting to be. like what the hell's going on like what.

are you doing traveling so much? >> Were you still living at home. >> with my dad? Yes. >> Okay, gotcha. >> I was 21. >> Okay. >> And I had just finished nursing school. and I was like I I had just gotten my. real estate license too. So like I. graduated nursing school. I had a week. between when I started my job. So I went. to real estate school. >> and it was like 8:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. every day for a week like Monday through. Sunday and then you take the test, pass. the course and then you go take your. test and get the thing whatever. I got. that. And I had a whole trajectory for. what my life was going to be. I was.

going to move away. I was going to do. real estate. I was going to do travel. nursing. And then I met this dude and it. flipped everything. And my parents were. kind of like, "What the hell is going on. like with this guy?" Cuz they knew it. was a guy at this point. I was lying and. say it was saying it was a sugar mama. And I was like, "Oh, I'm going to see a. sugar mama." And they were like, "My mom. has never been okay with me like. exchanging myself for money, >> right?" And my dad was kind of like, "Go. what you can.". >> Have you? [laughter]. So, this is real dad, not stepdad,

right? Okay. So, um, to rewind it back, you're very open with your parents then. So, your parents know what you were. doing with the sugar mamas and stuff. That's amazing because I was the same. way with my dad. I was kind of My dad. groomed me, I guess, to be. >> in the adult industry. He was like, you. know, marry for money and like, you. know, that's exactly how my family was, too. So, I think that's cool that you. were able to confide in them on what you. were doing. >> Yeah. >> Halfway. >> It's kind of like me and my sister had. each other through everything we were. going through. And when your.

relationship with your parents isn't. stable, >> we had to take care of ourselves, right? >> Like they were there to help, but it's. like we raised ourselves. We raised each. other. And like. >> where am I going with that? [laughter]. >> Oh, the dynamic with my dad and my mom. like telling them things. It's not like. I'm confiding in you. I'm asking for. your advice. I'm asking for your help. I'm asking for your permission. >> Okay. >> I don't ask for permission. >> My sister doesn't either. >> Like I'm letting you know what I'm doing. cuz you asked, >> right? >> Like you don't get to control my life if.

you didn't. >> like. participate. Like if you're not there. for me, if you're not. >> My relationship with my parents for a. while was like roommate. Well, my with. my dad it was like roommates. >> So I was like there was not really like. a dad relationship. Okay. So, they it's. not like they knew what was going on. because they cared. They just knew what. was going on because they asked. >> Yeah. Like they did care, but like. when parents like my dad works all the. time and like that's his like he has his.

own business and he's always doing that. So like you don't have time when you're. running a big business to well big for. him. Like should I be talking about. this? [laughter]. I think they cared enough until like. they just as long as we weren't. tarnishing their name, they didn't give. a [ __ ] So long we stayed out of trouble. and we weren't making them look bad, they didn't give a [ __ ]. >> Gotcha. >> How did they find out that it was a man. that you were seeing? >> How I don't remember. Did we tell them. >> it started when the court when like.

y'all had the falling out and it went. bad and then you had to come out and. tell dad that it was a dude because you. were going to go to court. >> Okay. So, I only told my mom it was a. guy, >> right? >> Because I'm very, very close with my mom. now. Like, she's. my sister and my mom are my two closest. people. >> And [clears throat]. my mom. I'm way more open and honest with like. my dad is like a more distant. >> connection emotionally. My mom is very.

like close emotionally, >> right? And I was like I sat her down one. day and told her basically that I was. seeing it was a sugar daddy, not a sugar. mama, >> right? >> And that was my first like talking to. her about potentially being into guys. So it was a lot for her to take in. >> Did she never suspect that? >> Like everyone had suspected it, but no. one like really thought, right? Like I. was very convincing,

>> right? And I really up the way that I. came out to her. >> because I was too ego-driven, like I. said, to own up to I have feelings for. guys because I thought that would make. me. >> be disgusting and like that's the worst. thing you can be is gay. So I was like, I want to be able to like be honest. about what I'm doing but not have to. take on the shame and the embarrassment. So I was like, yeah, I'm just for money, though. M. >> and my mom was like, "Okay, that I'm not.

all right with. >> And like her reaction was like, she's all for me being gay. She's very. accepting." And. >> the day that we had the conversation, I. misread it. I thought she was not okay. with me being gay, she was not okay with. me just guy for money. She's like, "You. don't need to be doing this to him. Like. if he's over here thinking you actually. like him and you're just him for money, that's not fair,

>> right? >> I was in a full-on relationship with. this person. It was not that. >> I just couldn't take the ego hit. I was. like, I'd rather say I'm for money so I. can live the best of both worlds. I can. be in my relationship and my family. doesn't think less of me. >> But that just shows like the dynamic in. my head of like I thought it was better. to look like an escort than to be gay, >> right? >> Which like not that there's wrong with. either of them. I could just handle I'm. for money. Not that I genuinely like. him. >> You weren't accepting it in within. yourself that you were gay yet. So, it.

was hard for you to even. >> put that into words. >> So, I really hurt my mom in this because. I cut her off. >> a. >> because I thought she wasn't okay with. my sexuality. She wasn't okay with what. I was saying that I was doing to this. guy. And we had like a big like fight. about it. And then I cut her off for. like 3 months and we didn't talk. And. then I like as I was so emotional in my. own head and trying to keep up with all. these different stories, I misread what. my mom was saying. >> And I feel so bad about that genuinely.

But I after everything calmed down and I. was further along in the relationship, I. was thinking about my mom and I was. like, Leo, you up. >> No. >> So I had to reach back out to her and. like we had a conversation and she. cleared it up that she was she's totally. okay with me being gay. She's fully. supportive and anyone that speaks bad of. me now she's like fists up like gun out. like say say it again like she's fully. there for me and supports but like she. cleared it up and was like my problem.

was never that you were gay. I don't. want you to ever think that. Yeah. >> My problem was that you were one like. looking at yourself like you're. something just disposable you can just. exchange for money and two like she's. like you're better like you're worth. more than that and like if you're going. to be doing it for a couple bags and. some jewelry be doing it for a house. right. >> like she [laughter] didn't encourage. that but she's like don't belittle. yourself like for some little like. >> and then she was like. >> we love mom.

>> me too. [laughter]. She was like, "The fact that you were. doing it to him, like I had convinced. her I was like manipulating him, right? >> Like I actually liked him and I was just. using him for money." And she was like, "I was not cool with that." Right? >> And she's like, "I'm still not cool with. it, but I am okay with you being gay.". And then I came clean and was like, "Well, I'm actually dating him. Like, I. had to come out." And I felt so bad. I. was like, "I owe my mom the truth. So. even if it makes me look like I'm more. accepted of it in myself now, so I came. clean. I was like, "I'm actually dating. him." And she was so excited. She's.

like, "Oh my god, I want to meet him.". >> And she's like, "It makes me feel better. that you're not just like using him, >> right?". >> And so, like, we reconnected and. rekindled and we're tighter than we've. ever been. So, >> I'm very happy about that. She did meet. him multiple times. I came when I moved. into like when I moved to Atlanta and. lived with him. She came and visited. Like, it was a very cool thing. >> I love that. >> But I didn't come out to my dad still. thought I was a sugar mama, >> right? [clears throat]. >> So, I need to drink some water. >> Is this where it gets [ __ ] up? Oh, [laughter]. god. This is what we're going to do.

>> I feel so bad. You've been through so. much, dude. Like, you guys have had a. pretty brutal [clears throat] childhood. You know, >> people ask me how I am the way that I. am, and I'm like, there's nothing I. haven't been through. >> Yeah. >> I don't say that lightly. >> You're a warrior. >> I don't want to. I didn't sign up to be. God's toughest soldier. [laughter]. Okay. >> Yeah. But he hands his battle. He hands. the What is it? He hands his hardest. battles to the people he who can handle. it. I say the same thing. I've been. through a lot of Okay, Lord, enough. I've had [ __ ] enough. Like it. But.

you know what? My life as I've gotten. older has gotten smoother. So maybe it. just happens in the beginning so that. the rest of the ride is just home free, you know? >> Yeah. >> But when I die and I get to the gates of. heaven, I'm swinging. >> A. >> I don't give a Why did you do that to. me? >> Everything you wanted to throw at me, there's consequences. Wait till I get up. there. >> Yeah. >> I swear [laughter] to God. >> All right. So let's circle back to dad. finding out. >> Okay. So when I left my ex,

like the most. you can do to someone in a relationship, he did. >> Everything you can think of that could. go wrong. >> What happened? >> Everything. Think of something right now. that could go wrong in a relationship. >> I mean, abuse. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> He's like, "Yeah, that's. >> physical, emotional. What else you got?". >> Yeah. I mean, I don't trying to kill. you. >> No, >> he didn't try to kill you. That would. have been easy. Well, he actually did. try to me because he did lie to me about.

having HIV. >> Oh my goodness. >> That's something I've never said on the. internet. >> Wow. >> So, he had HIV. That just made my heart. drop. So, he had HIV and this was your. first experience with a man and he lied. to you. >> I asked him before, like I'm very. paranoid about STDs. >> Yeah. >> Always have been. And I asked him before. I met up with him. I was like, "You're. clean. You have nothing." Like he was. like, "Yes, like I'm clean. I'm like. fully like nothing." And.

[clears throat and cough]. he never once. tried to look out for my safety. Never. once told me to use a condom. Never once. told me to anything. >> That's attempted murder. >> I know. And never told me to get on. prep. Never like nothing. Like never. took one precaution for me to like. protect myself. like knew what he was. doing. He was 42. >> Wow. >> Risking a 21-year-old's life. >> So,

that was a big component. But when I. left him, this you might have to cut out. But he. als. >> Oh, all right. Well, >> cut that part out. I just want to. >> bleep it. Can we bleep it? We'll bleep. it. [laughter]. >> Is this dude on the internet? Cuz now I. got to Google. Oh, >> he'sing hidden in a hole somewhere. He's. still goddamn. >> protect him. Yeah. Don't protect him if. he's This man literally jeopardized your.

life, dude. Were you Did you get tested. afterwards and all that stuff? >> I'm still negative. I'm clean. Thanking. God. I literally was so freaked out. after I found out. Like. >> I got like a weird like rash from. lifting weights too hard. Like I busted. like a vessel in my arm and I was like, "It's the HIV." I was like, "Oh my god, I'm dying." A but thankfully HIV is so. manageable now and people can live lives. with it and it's not like it was back in. the8s you know like it's curable now. almost pretty much. >> Yeah. There's medications to make it.

dormant. >> Yeah. >> So like I'm a nurse and I know all the. background to all that but I got on prep. like just out of fear and every like. month I was getting tested because it. can lay dormant for 6 months and then. pop up. >> What's prep for people who don't know? >> Prep is a medication that basically. lowers your chances of contracting HIV. >> from someone who has it. Okay. >> It's not going to like take it away. >> But it's better to have like a little. like soldier in your bloodstream. >> Okay. How long were you guys together? >> 10 months. >> Okay. And so you guys have this awful.

breakup and take me on that ride. >> That I made I had to make a podcast. episode about that. It's. >> I need to listen to this podcast. episode. >> Episode six of my podcast. Literally. everything you can do to someone in a. relationship happened. And then when I. left, he tried to destroy me. >> Tell everybody your podcast name really. quick. >> Aware and aggravated. >> Aware and aggravated. Episode 60. Go. listen to it right now. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that one's a lot. And that's kind. of like how I got started on social. media and all that. But basically, he.

attacked my life in every way that he. could cuz I left him. I was like, I the. money's not enough. You're not enough. >> You're like, >> I want to get the from you. >> So, let's I want to talk about that. because I've had so many sugar daddies. who were soing abusive. I'm talking like. they think just because they spend money. on you that they own you. And I don't. think that's talked about a lot a lot, you know, because we laugh about it and. we're like, "Yeah, Venus Sugar Baby's. awesome, blah, blah, blah." But there's. also a very dark side to it, too, you. know, like you have to understand that.

you don't get all of these things for. free. And it's not always unicorns and. butterflies. Half the time a lot of. these people have like trauma that. they've never dealt with, mental illness. and just they take out on you because. they feel like they're paying you and. you have to deal with whatever it is. they dish out at you, >> right? >> That was one of the big things is when I. left. We were spending like $100,000 a. month on anything. >> Wow. >> Clothes, trips, traveling the world, Bora Bora, Paris, like. >> anything we wanted to do, we were doing. it. I was I got access to a lifestyle.

I've always dreamed of. >> Yeah. and it wasn't enough. >> and I literally was like I'm with you. like get the away from me like before I. you right. >> cuz there the night that I found out. about the HIV thing. >> How did you find out? >> Um. >> sticky story. I'm a snoopy nosy. Don't. trust no one. It's tattooed on my hand. for a reason. >> Um I like snooped and found medication. and like knew what it was and I he.

slipped up. I'm convinced if I was a. man, I would be Leo. Literally, I'm. [laughter] such a violent human, too. You have no idea. People don't realize. that. >> Bestselling merch is my hoodie and. t-shirt that say not above violence. >> I need that. I'm going to order it. >> Oh my god. I'll literally send you a. whole bunch. >> Please do. That's a lot, dude. For. somebody to You guys have been together. for 10 months, and he's just now saying, "Yes, I risked your life." Was he. remorseful or was it more like, "Yeah, I. risked your life.". >> No. And one of the worst things was he. told me everything he was buying from me.

is because I was worth it. And I was. always like, "Why are you spending so. much money on me?" Like it was at a. point where like I didn't even want. more. Like after like 3 months I was. like, "We can slow down. I'm good." And. he just kept pushing and pushing and. more and more and would just surprise. me, buy me, force me to go shopping. And. I was like, I didn't get it. I was like, "Why do you keep buying so much? Like. we're together. You've got me. Like I'm. not going anywhere." Like I thought it. was an overcompensation. M. >> and he was like, "It's cuz you're worth. it." And I just want you to know that. when I found out about the HIV thing, he.

was not remorseful at all. He. immediately flipped and was like, "The. real reason I've been buying you. everything and spending so much money on. you is because I knew I had HIV and when. you found out," he said, "I knew how. guilty you'd feel. >> to get me arrested." because he saw my. heart and he saw how much I care about. people and he was like you're not worth. it. >> Oh my god. >> And was like I would like I was looking. out for my ass and he's like and now.

you're not going to go to the cops about. it cuz you don't call cops. And I was. like thisucker. >> wow I just got goosebumps. So I'm like. shaking like. >> but yeah. like I felt so valuable. >> cuz he was like doing all this for me. and was like I was like finally someone. sees value in me. >> and then to have that like flip and was. like I was doing it because I knew you'd. feel bad. >> and you wouldn't take me to court if I. spend $300,000 on you. >> What a piece of. God. He doesn't have a name. Do you want.

to drop his name? Like he is a piece of. good lord. >> Yeah. That's just what like happened in. the relationship after the relationship. >> Yeah, let's get into that. So, dad, >> he. >> we haven't gotten into how dad found out. yet. And. >> we haven't That's where we're getting. to. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, after the relationship ended, he started suing me. for anything he could. defamation of. character, domestic abuse, domestic.

violence, all this. >> abuse of power, >> trying to get me restraining orders. against me because I have guns and I. carry and he wanted to get them taken. away cuz he's me and he wants to take my. way of protecting myself. I have no. physical threat I'm scared of, >> right? >> At all. >> Yeah. >> Like even if there's a group of 100. people and they're trying to attack me, I'm going to stand there and fight till. I die. I'm Albanian. That's how we are. Like I don't fear anything. >> physically. And he was [ __ ] every way. that I couldn't defend myself. So like. trying to sue me for anything he could.

make up, trying to get restraining. orders on me. Went to the Florida Board. of Nursing and submitted false claims. with his punk one-legged mom. >> Oh, mom got took the other one over. this. >> Godamn peg leg. >> They to the Florida Board of Nursing. submitted false claims over me. Why. y'all laughing? [laughter]. >> Onelegged and I almost took the second. one. Oh, that was great. >> I almost looked the second one cuz I was. pissed. They falsified claims against. me. Went to the Florida Board of Nursing.

and they were like he had so much money. to pay attorneys to like sue people and. sue like get things turned in his favor. The. >> Isn't that disgusting how people can. manipulate the judicial system with. money? >> It just starts there. >> So. he and his [clears throat] little. >> I'm so mad. I'm like. >> I'm sweating again. >> No, I'm pissed. So, they went and. submitted false claims to the Florida. Board of Nursing. They put my license. under review and they launched an. investigation on me for 6 months. But.

when I moved and left him, I went from. spending $100,000 a month, never. worrying about money again to going back. to making 34K a month as a nurse. And I. was like back working. And that mind. flip. >> and that reality shift, >> what the You've experienced it. >> Oh, yeah. Like that's when you're with. someone with a lot of money like that, the meaning of money and what it is. doesn't matter. >> Yeah. >> Like I was spending like 300 bucks on a. Louis Vuitton keychain and buying five. of them cuz I like them.

>> Going back to working as a nurse and. making 300 bucks a shift for 12 hours. >> It made me go harder. It made me figure. out like what I had to do, you know? Like I was like, I'm I want to have that. feeling again. But happiness. >> on my own. >> On my own. Exactly. And now I got it. >> Yes. And it makes you go harder to. figure out, okay, well, what can I do to. [ __ ] get there without having to. abused by somebody? >> Yes. So, everything going on in court is. how my I had to go to my dad. I was. like, I don't know what to do. I didn't. have money like to spend for attorneys,

>> right? >> Cuz like. >> they were big cases and big things he. was like bringing up against me. >> Accusations are crazy. >> Yeah. So, I had to go to my dad. I was. like, "Dad, I have to be honest because. I need help." Like I called him after I. like when I left my ex, I was literally. like driving home at like two in the. morning or three in the morning because. we got in a big fight. He called the. cops on me and I just peeled the and. took off and drove four and a half hours. back to Florida. And I called my dad and.

I was like, "Dad, can I please move back. in?" And he was like, "Of course." Like, of course. That's one thing about my. dad. My sexuality, we don't talk about it. We. don't address it. It's don't ask, don't. tell. He still asks me if I talk to. girls, if I've hooked up with girls. >> We just avoid that topic, but my safety, he will always care about like making. sure I'm okay. No one's going to do. nothing like to me without him getting. involved, right? >> So, he was like, "Of course, come home. Come home." And like I drove home. >> and he helped me unpack all my like.

getting up for work at like 7:00 a.m. when I was getting there. >> And he like helped me and I just like. went to bed. He was like, "Just go to. sleep and just wake up, eat good, and. we'll figure it out tomorrow." I was. like, "Okay." So, I moved back in with. my dad and then I had to come clean and. I was like, it was a guy I was with and. now he's suing me. >> for like all these things. This was a. couple days after being home cuz it was. like. >> But, >> and your ex knew that you hadn't come. out to your dad, right? So, he just. didn't care. He was just out to destroy. you. >> Yeah. So, I came out to my dad about.

that. I was like, it was a guy, but I he. was like, did you care about him? And I. was like, I don't know. >> Right. So, I was still kind of playing. that thing with my dad of like it was. just an exchange, like a monetary. exchange. >> And my dad was like trying to help me. with attorneys and literally no one like. knew what to do, >> right? >> So, I had to represent myself in court. >> I started studying law. Wow. >> And doing my but. >> my nursing license was. under review,

>> right? and I couldn't work as a nurse, so I started. partying a lot. >> And I tried drugs for the first time. >> Like the weekend I drove home, that. weekend, like it was like a Tuesday. That weekend, I had never smoked a. cigarette. I had never done a drug. I. had barely been drunk. And I did. >> and got in the first night. >> all at once. I had so much fun. You were.

hurt though. >> No, I had a blast. I didn't give a I was. in a house full of rich people and I was. like, "Let's do this.". >> Yeah. >> So, I had a blast with it. >> And then I started like partying very. hard to like cope with my life and like. everything he was doing to me. >> like defaming me online, bought. leoskeeppke.com and like trashed me on. it. Made up all this before I was. online. >> Wow. >> And like ripped me. But I was just like. partying and I started like. doing more drugs. I loved I had a gold.

acrylic pinky nail. >> Oh, nice. >> For like months. It was crazy. [laughter]. >> Yeah. I had kick. >> Yeah. >> Like you have to weigh it out. It's like. you do too much. Yeah. Exactly. >> But now I need a shot. Oh, now I'm too. drunk. I need a. >> No, dude. It's a roller coaster, man. >> Yeah. got into like drugs and partying. And. then I was like picking up for my. friends when I would pick up and I would. get enough for them. And then I started.

realizing like. I would go to a party and everybody knew. I could like float the initial like. $1,000 for everything everybody wanted. to like make sure everybody got their. else was like able to out of my closer. friends like no one was able to like. front the cost to like buy it. So, like. I I've always been smart with money and. I like fronted it and I saw how much. money can be made there, >> right?

>> And I was like, here's my way out. >> So, I started dealing drugs. >> Yeah. >> And I was the Molly man. [laughter]. >> And everybody knew I had the good coke. and the good Molly. >> and I just started doing that. But I. never did anything reckless with dealing. drugs. I. >> had this. Were you still using while you. were dealing? >> Oh, hell yeah. That whole don't get high. on your own supply. My good. >> He was like, "Yes, I was getting high.". >> Like as I'm like packing people, I. always like packed it pretty in a little. ziplockc bag. I didn't do the foil. I.

don't like that, >> but like I have my little nail just. while I'm going to keep me going like. packing it up. >> And. >> do you still use. >> here and there? Yeah. Just. >> But now I'm at a point. >> I'm so scared to die. >> Yeah. And now you can't trust Well, that's one thing you can't come back. from. You can get your ass whooped, but. you know, you get a batch of bad and you. know, you're not coming back from that. >> Yeah. >> So, >> like I went from fully like not giving a. I died, wanted to die to like now it's. so weird. People don't talk about this.

Like now I have an insane fear of. flying. >> I'm scared to do certain drugs unless I. know they're good. >> Y. >> I'm like so paranoid of everything. >> Oh, my biggest fear is death. I used to. be the same as you. I thought I was. bulletproof and then like the older I. got, I was just like, um, I'm not. immortal and I'm not, you know, bulletproof. Like anything can happen at. any time, you know? So. >> that was the thing is like I didn't care. if I died. I wanted to die. >> So I just lived reckless. >> You're happy now though. Or in a place. of happiness. So now you're scared to.

lose it. >> Achieving everything I've wanted and I'm. like hitting my potential and I'm like, "Oh, now I'm like un I'm like shaky as. like like I don't it's hard to. function.". >> Yeah. >> When you have to flip like that. Yeah, >> but with selling drugs and all that, one. little part of it is I never did. anything reckless. I was never stupid. I. would never sell to broke people, >> right? >> I would sold to rich people, >> right? >> And being a nurse, I made connections. with like a bunch of doctors. >> and engineers. They people don't realize. that doctors abuse drugs more than. anybody I know. I used to have this this.

[laughter]. client who was an emergency room doctor. I've never told this story before. We. were getting up doing one night and I. asked him I was like what is the coolest. thing to you about being an emergency. room doctor and he said looked at me did. the biggest and he said I get to play. God. I was like oh I still get. goosebumps thinking about it. I was like. I just remember I looked at I was like. I'm never going to the emergency room. again. I was like this is up and I've. never forgot that dude but you know in.

the medical field get. >> they are the biggest and I love them for. it. They [laughter] put me in business. I made so much. >> but I had a thing with like all the. people that I knew like they invite me. to the party. They genuinely wanted to. hang out with me. But when I started. like dealing and getting them they were. like oh come to the party supply the. party. I said, "Okay, minimum a thousand. if I'm coming." Like, you got to buy. $1,000 worth of. >> They'd buy three, 5,000. Like, they'd. just have people and they would just. like, "Oh, I need more for later.". >> And I would just like go show up to the.

party, hang out, party with everybody, get everybody their make my money, and. then party. >> And then, yeah, >> it was so fun. >> We figured it out. Um, so rewinding real. quick, when your dad found out that it. was a guy, was he upset like or was he. like, "Okay, I've got your back. I'm. going to help you." He had my back and. was going to help me, but he was just. like, "Okay, it is what it is. It. happened." Like, "You got money out of. it. You got your right. Now, let's just. be done with it, >> right?". >> Like, and was trying to help me detach. from it all. >> and get away from it. >> Yeah. Love that. That's so That dude put.

you through that, dude. Like, that's. crazy. So, let's keep going. You dealing. now. You're the life of the party. This. dude still doing weird. Did you ever. represent yourself in court? >> Three times. >> Okay, let me hear about that. >> I won every time. Yeah. Yeah. >> I'm a manipulative. [laughter]. >> I'm a P. >> I mean, but you're also fighting for. your life. So, is that being. manipulative? This person was literally. coming against you online and smearing. your name.

>> Yeah. >> All he backed you into a corner and he. and found out. >> I never like beat him. And that's my. biggest regret in this life. >> Is not absolutely pummeling this punk. into the ground. >> Yeah. But that for a reason. I'm going to get him in hell. I'm going. to get him when I go to hell. I'm That. hatred is never going to come out of me. Like that is my only regret in this life. is not swinging on people sooner. When I. used to get bullied, I wish I would have. started beating ass sooner. >> and then not ever beating the. >> No, I get it.

>> So, I never like hit him, but he would. like slap me and I'm like, you don't. know what you're doing, right? >> Like if you smack me like. >> you're like I would laugh. >> Yeah. Oh, that's cute. >> So, where are we going with that? >> Um, so you had to represent yourself in. court. three times. >> So, there were things that I did and I. would own up to it in court and he was. like he had a black eye one time cuz we. were and he like reached up [laughter]. >> and grabbed my and twisted them. >> Ow. >> And like pulled them. >> Nothing about that feels good.

>> And I fell onto him and like when I put. my hand down to catch myself, my thumb. like I'm big as I'm 200 I was like 240. lbs at the time. Like I'm big and like. me coming down on you. I was like, "What. the?" And like I put my hand down to. catch myself and I hit him in the eye. >> and it like the blood vessels around. your eye are very sensitive. So he got a. black eye. It looked like I like hit him. >> but I didn't. >> He tried to come out with a story and. take me to court that I hit him and I. went in court. I was like, "Okay, your.

honor, I hate to be explicit, but we. were having sex [laughter]. >> and I told her like what happened. >> I bet the judge loved you.". >> The judge like I'm very honest. Yeah. >> Every time I've fought in school, fought. and had to deal with cops, dealt with. this in court. >> I'm very honest about what I'll what I. do. >> People can tell. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I'm like, I did hit him this time. I. didn't hit him that time. >> Mhm. >> Now what? >> Yeah. >> And they just like dismissed that. Knew. it was so. >> stupid. That's crazy. So, did you ever.

have to take out anything on him like a. restraining order like [ __ ] stop. slandering my name online and all that? >> I tried. Okay. >> And things were avoided. >> because he had money. >> Cuz he had what? >> Money. >> Money, >> right? >> So, >> well, moving on from that. What's Leo. doing now? You won your court case. >> My best. >> Yay. Let's talk about it. We love an. underdog story. I love this. So, you go. through all this.

What happens now? Are you still dealing. drugs or are you. >> I wish getting on [laughter]. >> I have too much to lose now or I would. still be in the game. >> Well, take me take me on this journey. now of Leo conquering kicking ass. >> I love it. Okay, so I started my. podcast. I started getting online cuz. like I said, he slandered me online, right? >> So like he had this reputation built of. me of like just this absolute piece of. >> online personality. No. >> Okay. He like.

basically defamed me and like made this. reputation for me and I didn't have. money to fight it. And once people have. a certain perception of you, you can't. change it. So I had the realization like. >> the only way to change people's. perception is to show them who I truly. am. So I started getting online. I was. like, I'm going to be so myself, just. genuine, straight up me, and show people. my heart, my intentions, my humor, the. times I am an [ __ ] Like, I'm just. going to show it all because it will.

make all those claims become so clearly. invalid. >> Right. Were people believing him? Did he. have a an audience that actually. believed him? >> Not really. Okay. >> It was before I got online. So, like. every job I would try to apply for, things I would do, and like friends, people in my life were finding it. Like. you look up Leo Skppy. Boom. First. thing. >> Does he still own Leo Skppy? >> No. >> Okay. Do you have it? >> Good. >> Don't [laughter] ask how I got it. >> I'm not I'm not going to. >> So. I like came out of hiding basically.

Like I was like this name that was built. for me can I can just hide from it. >> or I can blow it the water by like being. bigger than that. So, I just got online. and started being myself and I made my. podcast and all the things that I was. going through, I was like sharing how I. dealt with it cuz like therapists. couldn't help me. >> Literally, no one knew what to do to. help me and I couldn't find answers. >> So, I just started sharing all that. through my podcast and I got on TikTok. and just started on people love my. personality. >> When did you get on TikTok? Like 2020, 2021.

>> 2021. when I was going through court. >> I started making jokes. Like I literally. was in court one time and I pulled out. my phone and I was like here I am in. court cuz my ex is psychotic and like. couldn't handle losing me [laughter]. and everybody like it blew up and. everybody was like oh my god he's funny. as hell. So everybody was kind of. invested in it. So I just like started. like talking then he was trying to sue. me for those videos and I was like eat. my I literally told his attorney and. three of them three attorneys he hired I. told them all to eat my at least once. >> Right. >> Um pretty sure they would want to.

>> Yeah. [laughter]. That's one thing I do is I be throwing. around the word like it's nothing. >> I love it because I came from an era. where that word wasn't what it means. now, you know? So like even like the R. word, you know, like we used dude the. rword, you know, I I can't say it. because people come for me all the time. >> You have a path. >> You're me and a female body. >> Yeah, literally. [laughter]. >> But you know, people they everybody's so. insensitive now and it's just crazy to. me. I think it's intention. How you say. the word is intention, you know, like.

that's. how you guys should judge when people. say certain words like what is the. intention behind it? How are they. directing it? Describing yourself and. like joking around. You're not like. looking at somebody calling them that. being rude. So, >> oh, I'll do that too. >> I know. >> But like with [laughter] me like I was. bullied so bad over the word and it used. to hurt me so bad. So, it's like now. >> I don't give a I'll fling it around. >> whether it's derogatory or a joke. Right. >> Well, like if someone else I'm very. protective of people like if someone. else calls someone a.

>> nah it's a problem. >> I could do it. Not you. Cuz I know I'm. not trying to hurt them. >> Exactly. Intention. >> But. >> where were we going with the. >> We were talking about just how you built. rose from the ashes like a goddamn. phoenix, baby. >> Yeah. >> Like a dragon. I'm spitting. >> literally just coming up. So you got on. TikTok and you started your podcast and. then just going from there. >> Yeah. I started the app Positive Focus. It's like a app for your phone that will. send you positive quotes like throughout. the day. Like really, there's a lot of.

apps that are kind of like that, but. it's like. >> I made things that would actually flip. your perspective cuz like when I was. going through a lot of like. >> of the worst stuff, it's hard to think. positive about anything. >> So, I was like, if I could just have an. app that would like send me something to. think about, >> I don't want to have to put effort into. thinking positive. Like, just prompt me. on my phone and I'm fine. So, I made it. cuz I couldn't find it. Mhm. >> And. >> I love your mentality. >> I did that and I used the drug money to. fund it cuz it was like 30k. >> I love that. I used all my hooker money. to build this. >> What? >> Yeah, you got to, baby.

>> We are the same. [laughter]. >> Literally. No, I swear it's scary. So, I. made that, got on social media, got on. TikTok, started my podcast, and then in. the past, I'd say. >> 3 months since like February, >> everything has like. >> snowballed, >> tripled. >> Yeah. >> Like my I gained like two million. followers. Well, I gained like a million. in the past month and a half. >> I gained like 100,000 on YouTube in the. past month and a half. My Instagram has.

grown like 150,000. >> or like 170,000. >> in the past like month and a half. It's. like. >> finally the value I'm sharing is being. recognized and I'm like I've never. doubted myself once. I'm like these just. stupid and [laughter] they want to. listen to J Shetty and Mel Robbins and. all these people. Not that I don't like. them, >> right? >> But they just they're surface level. self-help, >> right? >> I got the real. >> like you've been through. I feel like a. lot of self-help people haven't been. through a lot of deep. They just like.

woke up one day and were like, I just. want to be a self-help guru, you know, and like they just start. >> wake up and start your day with a lemon. water journal. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> Yeah. No, for sure. >> Like they're not realistic. >> Um, so you have this app. You like what. is in store for Leo? Like tell us what. do we have to look forward to? Like any. cool news that we can talk about? Actually, I do have some big news. Do. you know the agency UTA? >> I don't.

>> Okay. They're one of the biggest. agencies. >> Mhm. >> And. >> I just signed with WME, so I know like. WME, CIA. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> The past three weeks, everything's been. blowing up. I've been charting on the. podcast. >> Um, >> all these companies have been reaching. out to me. I've been having meetings out. the ass. My manager and me are both like. overwhelmed. I'm a oneman team and. that's something people don't realize. Like everything that I do is by myself. As of 2 months ago, I started working. with my manager. But everything I do,

produce, make, film is all me. No one. edits. Do it. I'm picky. >> It's just me and Mimi. We just hired on. WME in January. >> I love it. So they saw like every. company has like seen me blowing up. >> and everybody wants a piece of it now. and they want to like help me and like. help me. They see me as a I don't forget. that. I ain't stupid. [laughter] So all. these companies, >> they also probably see your worth too. >> That too. >> Yeah. >> So a lot of these companies have been. like fighting for me. >> and I've had meetings with every agency.

you could think. Like WME, I had a. meeting with them and. >> I need to introduce you to my agent. Sloan. You would fall in love with her. and she is a go-getter. She is a goddamn. tiger. Like she's crazy. Yeah. I'll. definitely hook you guys up so you guys. can. >> Yes, I love making connections like. that. >> Yeah, she's amazing. this whole world. like just flew open for me and I didn't. realize this much goes into it. >> Mhm. >> So, I just signed with UTA. >> two days ago. >> So, like they're fully.

>> like about to take over and like. everything I want to do, I finally have. a team of people who can make it happen. I don't have to be the one making all. these businesses and doing all this. >> Yeah. >> I'm sick of it. I did. >> It's scary giving up control cuz I'm in. that right now. I have to hire. Yeah, >> I'm under so much pressure. I'm just. like. >> me I'm kind of like I don't know, you. know, like I just it scares me because. we've done for five years I' it's just. been me and Mimi. So bringing all these. other people in I'm just scared cuz it's.

like nobody sees your vision the way. that you do. You know the first up I'm. like you're out of here. >> Same. I'm very cutthroat. >> Yeah. Same. >> Cuz I'm a perfectionist and I don't. tolerate nothing less. >> Yeah. But when I was growing on social. media, a lot of people liked my podcast. and asked me to start like, "Can I work. with you one-on-one? Can you coach me?". >> And I was like, "Okay." So, I got my. life coach certification and just. started like one-on-one coaching people. >> In the past 3 months, I haven't had. time. >> Like, I've literally had to take a break. from it. >> to reposition everything.

>> That's your feelood. Like, you like. >> Yeah, I love doing that. >> But I'm at a point now there's thousands. of people trying to sign up for it. I. don't have time and I'm trying to. stabilize everything with my career. first and then get that back. incorporated. I don't know how the hell. I'm gonna do it. >> Yeah. >> But I'm gonna figure it out. But I. signed with UTA and like they're the. biggest. >> They only have like 200 and something. people. They signed Paris Hilton, >> Alexander Cooper, Emma Chamberlain, Bretman Rock. Like they signed all these.

big ass people. >> So Leo, you just signed with UTA and you. guys are going to just start working. your asses off. Is there anything else. that you want to tell us about that's. going to happen in 2023? >> So, I'm looking at doing live events, like live podcasts. >> We should. Dude, we are looking into. that, too. So, and thinking about doing. a tour and I would love to have you come. on a couple. >> Oh my god. Absolutely. >> Yeah, that would be awesome. >> Did you get the pink bus? >> I of course. >> I want to be in that one, >> dude. You can come out on the road. >> Oh my god. You have. >> The boys would love you.

>> You have one that'll fit me. I'm 670. >> Oh, for sure. Yeah, it's a bus. >> I love that. Yeah. But um so you're. thinking about doing live events. >> Live events. >> I'm gonna start another. >> segment to my podcast where I start. incorporating guests. >> a. >> and like influencers, celebrities, and. talking about deep things and unpacking. do which I think will be fun. >> Um that the live events thing and then. I'm in the process of creating a vitamin. line.

>> Oh, dope. >> And it's not the typical vitamin line. I'm very big on if you do something to. damage your body, do something to help. it. So, I smoke, I drink, I do drugs. sometimes, like if I roll, I have a lot. of vitamins that I take to like help. with a come down. >> I have a lot of vitamins I take before. and after I drink. I have vitamins I. take daily for my lungs. >> So, that's what the vitamin line is. going to be based around is I was going. to name it damage control. >> A. >> that was already trademarked. >> Oh, >> but the name.

is the new name is being trademarked. I'll tell it to you off camera. I don't. want to reveal it. But like that's a big. thing I'm so excited about because no. one has the platform to do it. Like no. one has the balls to release some that. >> No, I love that. >> So I'm doing it. >> I love it. I'm so proud of you. I really. am. Like and I just love seeing you shed. your light on people and just even. though you have some really dark. situations that have happened in your. life, you have chose to spread light. You know, no matter how macho you are. and egotistical or whatever, you're. still just a loving human. And I think.

that's. >> really rad. >> So I just I'm just so happy to have had. you on. >> Thank you. >> Thank you so much for coming. Leo, why. don't you shout out where everybody can. find you? >> Okay. Tik Tok is Leo Skppy. Instagram is. the Leo Skppy cuz some already took my. name. [laughter] And then my podcast is. called Aware and Aggravated. It's on. YouTube. You can watch the video. version. And then it's on Apple Podcast. and Spotify. >> Yay. I love you so much, Leo. You are. You are my new BFF, by the way. >> Y'all [laughter] heard it here first. Yes. Everybody get out of her.

>> Absolutely. Thank you guys for tuning in. to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I. will see you guys next week. Bye. [music].