Larry Birkhead | Part 2 | Dumb Blonde Podcast

Is this thing on? What's up, you sexy. Welcome to another episode of Dumb. Blonde. Today, I am super excited about. the guest that we have. I think this man. has. gone through a complete media hurricane. and somehow managed to be come this.

amazing father and I just really am so. grateful and thankful to have you here, Mr. Larry Birkhead. >> Thank you. Thank you. Well, what a what. a intro. Thank you. So, take me on this journey of when she. does tell you that she's pregnant. because you guys are beefing and we. learned why. Tell me about this journey because this. is like right before she moves to the. Bahamas, correct? Okay. The the I guess the the thing with. um.

me, I you know, I got to the point where. I was like kind of fed up and um. Howard was out of the house a lot and. the stuff that he was doing and people. might kind of get a picture of kind of. why I say. the respect in certain ways and I you. know, there was also the disrespect and. things I felt. But um he was out of the. house for an extended period of time. and stuff was starting to fall on me. Her assistant had kind of. they had had some situation that was. kind of a private thing, but they she.

was no longer working. and everything was falling on me. So, I. was starting to feel like the boyfriend, the assistant, the this, the that. Can you go down and check on Dannielynn? Can you, you know, I was running to the. store, doing this, doing that. You know, I um and I I I was like I I just I can't. do this. This is everything I said I. wasn't going to do in this. >> Right. You're like, I just want to be a. man. Yeah, and I and and I don't mind I. didn't mind helping her. It wasn't that. I just felt like my identity was. slipping away. Right. And everything.

that I I I I I had my first apartment. when I was 15. I you know, I worked four. jobs to pay for it. I I I hit the ground. running and I never stopped being. independent. >> Right. >> that personally like from my childhood. that I actually bonded with Anna about. But I I always just said that I want to. be like, you know, independent and I definitely. didn't want to ask her for anything. >> Right. Um and. so basically, um we get to a point where. because of the tension,

the everything was just coming to a. boiling point and I um I'd been. disrespected in the relationship, I felt. like um I felt like that, you know, that. there was no um. when it came to like disagreements, there was nobody sticking up for me. It was every It was. everything I did was bad. You know, it was whether it was a. painting, whether it was this, whether. it was a gift I bought Anna, what the. hell's that? You know, is that supposed. to be Marilyn Monroe? What did you spend. for that? You know, it was like. everything was kind of being like just.

criticized. Yeah. And I was like I I I. just can't do it anymore. And I was. like, "Okay, I'm I'm I think I'm done.". And I I told her, I was like, "Look, you. know, um. I I I'm going to go home for a while. I. haven't seen my folks. I think, you. know, things have been kind of crazy.". But but. she said to me, um. you know, I. well, here's what she said. So, like I. said, I'm I'm I'm I'm pretty much out of. here. And she said, um.

I I took off and I went down the street. And this is way back when um. you would text and you had hit three. buttons to get one letter, you know, like. >> Oh, yeah. The T9. The T9. I don't. remember very well. And so like, you. know, I got down the street and I um we. had gotten an apartment Anna and I had. gotten an apartment in in Burbank. because she had lived there before when. she was like in between jobs and her. career kind of had you know ebbs and. flows and. we got an apartment because we wanted. some space to get away from people.

And she also didn't like the fact that. when I had an argument with her that I. had to get on a plane to go to Kentucky. So it was kind of like this is our spot. You know, I don't want to see any. [ __ ] in here. So she was putting all. her stuff in and you know, like but she. also used it as a. a dog house. Oh gosh. When I got not not. not literally a dog house but when I was. in trouble with her is like go to the. apartment. Oh got you. Okay. And and and. but anyway, so I was on my way back to. the apartment and um.

I I was getting stuff to go to Kentucky. and I got a text message and said if you. go. home, you're going to feel dumb. And I said um. what are you talking about? And she sent. a um. a box. It was like a present. I don't. want to say emoji cuz was that were the. emojis then? I don't even know. It was. like. It was like a weird like Yeah, I can. know what you're talking about now. >> a what you would call them? It's like a. gift looking thing. >> like a It was a present. She goes.

because of the present that you gave me. And I go. what are you talking about? And she's. like the present. She always had to talk. in code because she thought her phones. were tap traced whatever and she didn't. like putting anything in writing. You. know, um. so basically I was like the present the. present. So finally I she sent me. something else. It was either a baby or. a baby bottle or something and I was. like what? She goes come back dummy. She. goes I've got something to tell you. I. came back. and. sh- and we talked it through whatever. and.

uh. I remember, you know, I was like well. damn I can't leave now. And then in my head I was like well, you. know, do angels really leave? You know, because I it was it was a it was a mind. thing that really stuck with me when. I've never had somebody say something. like that where I felt like that they. were they felt like I had a purpose that. I was sent to them. Right. >> And. I I I just it stuck with me. So, I was. like, "Okay, I'm going to stick this. out." And then, you know, we started. going through the motions of like the um.

the excitement, the you know, like the. the nervousness because of the past. pregnancies and stuff. And. um. but come to find out, she I mean, she. was making I still have the calendar to. this day. She was keeping a calendar and. she was writing down every time we had. s s s s s s, you know. And then, um. she got to a point where um. she came back and she showed me the the. test and stuff. And um she kept that, too. I think it's still in storage. Sorry.

>> Aw. I don't know what I'm Danielynn will. probably kill me for telling that story, but I. But, yeah. >> Um. Yeah, so she we it was like one of these. things where um she started, you know, gaining weight and started showing and. everything. And then, there was the. thing where. um you know, over time I'd seen like, you know, her schedule of her medicines. and stuff and things. And I. um. I you know, she wasn't like And this is. one of the things I want to say. Like, a.

lot of people think when they think. about Anna Nicole, they think, "Well, you know, had like this, that, and the. other, and whatever." I never saw her do. drugs. Maybe. p- smoke pot or something, you know. Never did she go out and say, "I need a. bag of cocaine or whatever." I had seen. her like you said, she'd ask somebody, "Hey, do you have this or whatever?". And And I'm not saying that's not. use them in the way you're supposed to. >> are pharmaceuticals. >> Yeah. But I But I she never did like. hard Right. Street drugs. >> Yeah, right. It was It was kind of like. she had enough prescriptions, she didn't. have to, you know. But I was concerned.

because now she's pregnant. And I didn't. really know I'd never seen any one. person take that many medicines for. things. Like, she had seizures. She had. a lot of different, you know, ailments. and things and things that like. a lot of people didn't know about that. she hid. She had When I When she When I. photographed her, um I usually had to. um. retouch one of her hands because she had. swelling in one side of her body that. she took some medicine for. She you.

know, she had she was a um uh. migraines, insomnia, you know, like you. name it, she had it. And. she was physically worn down. Like when. she would do these events and she would. just like that would be like I need this. time time to recover. But during the the. course of the relationship, I started. seeing like you know, take this. medicine, that medicine, whatever. And. when. you know, there's doctors come in or. whatever, I don't question doctors. You. know, you know, and and um Especially when. you're a celebrity though, they give you. whatever you want.

>> Well, and I found that out, you know, you know, the hard way from the. different things that I experienced. there. But like. um. you know, it there was just moments. where, you know, um. the the medications were a question. I. questioned, "Hey, why are you taking. this?" I actually hid one. And the. medicine I hid, you know, that I was. told, you know, by Howard that it could. have um could cause damage to the baby. if you hide it. Cuz I did my own like. detective work and I was looking up and. I Or so I thought. >> So she was still taking these.

medications while she was pregnant? >> She All the medications that a doctor. gave her, you know, while she was uh you. know, every day she continued to take. while she was pregnant. And so I didn't. care what I I won't say I didn't care. It wasn't really my business. A lot of. times doctors would come in the house. and do house calls. I would step out of. the room just be privacy, whatever. There's I knew what she was taking cuz. like a lot of times it was like they're. on the bed, you know, I got to take. this, got to take that. Um. but I I I literally just questioned some. of the medications during the pregnancy.

and I I got pushed back. And I was made. to feel like I could have caused damage. to the baby and her And I didn't hide it. for like days. It was like maybe. hours. Right. >> couldn't find it and it became an issue. because I said something about it. So. after that conversation um. you know, there was tension starting to. build because. first off. the only person in the house or that I. even outside the house that I had heard. Anna tell. and there weren't many. There was just. like maybe Anna's son, her assistant,

and Howard and her assistant had left, but that she was pregnant. She didn't let anybody know. So no. nobody was really really that happy. except Daniel. Right. >> But I was so scared. He was the person I. didn't want to know about it. Cuz he was. the baby. Yeah. >> And he was like the first child and I. felt like. oh my god, he's going to think that I'm. like taking his mom and and and like, you know, like you know. Yeah. >> And then he's you know, I just I just. felt. not weird, but you know, I was trying to.

be delicate about it. >> Right, for sure. >> And um. >> sure Daniel went through his own things. in that house, you know, so. >> and I but I will say this like he would. walk in the room and there would be a. baby name book on the bed and we would. just be looking at it and I'd like kick. it with my foot, you know, like or you. know, cuz I was trying to be respectful. But then there was a point where where. he came to me and he was like, you know, are you excited? I'm like, yeah, I'm. really excited and stuff. And then but I. couldn't tell anybody the whole time. I. couldn't tell my mom. I couldn't tell. this. Now she did ask me to call your.

mom and ask her what blood type you are. And I was like, this is weird. What do. you know? What do you want to know that. for? And she's like, because I'm going. to have to have a special shot because. I'm this type of blood. You know what. I'm talking about? Like. >> Mhm, yeah. >> And I'm like, I It's like that's first. time I've ever heard this before. And I. was like, oh okay. So I told her and. then she's like, yeah, I have to have. the shot because your mom said this or. whatever. Mom's My mom's like, why do. you want to know? I was like, ah, I just. want to, you know, I was thinking about. giving blood or something. You know, I. just made something up, you know. I. couldn't tell her even. >> Mom's like, mhm. Yeah. But I mean, I. don't even you know, I I but I just I I. couldn't tell anybody and it was like.

such a weird thing. And I remember um as. she started like getting bigger and. bigger, I went to a mall in Sherman Oaks. and she was like I she was always loved. shopping online. Boxes all the time. And home shopping club. I didn't even. think that existed but when I was with. her but it still did cuz there's boxes. every single day. And there was nothing that like she saw. on the infomercials or whatever she. didn't buy. But she said I want. something really pretty, some nice. maternity stuff or whatever. She was can.

you go get me some stuff? And I was like. okay. So I went down and it was like a. motherhood something store, some chain. store in the mall Sherman you know. And. I remember. and this happened every time there was a. gift or special occasion. I I felt like. I was inadequate because I was not the. oil man. So I felt like you know I had if. I had to always buy more or do more. You. know, and even if I couldn't afford it. You know, I had to do it. You know. Um.

And so I was in there and I and I had. the money like for clothes and stuff. I. just you know it was just one of those. things I was. always just kind of felt like that. So I. was like trying to pick out pretty stuff. and you know and and I got like all. these outfits to the front register and. I remember going over to the register. and um. She's like. you got some nice stuff. Just small talk. [ __ ] And then I'm like okay. And she's. like okay so give me the name of the. mother for the registry and I stop and I. just froze.

And I felt like an out of body. experience because I was like she just. asked me what the mother's name was. And I. and as small as the question was from. her that she asked everybody probably. It it to me it was like it was a a wake. up call for the fact that you will not. that this is not the normal situation. That my twin brother experience with it. or anybody. It's like so um. I remember running out of the store with. the bag and I like you know, taking it. and getting out of there because. and but the secrecy was a source of.

additional pressure in the relationship. because then. I want to say And it's got to be hard. being hidden all the time, you know, like nobody wants to feel like they're. like I don't want to say on the back. burner but like nobody you want to when. you love somebody you want to love them. out loud. >> Yeah. So I mean years of not being able. to love somebody out loud would. definitely. you know, wear on some on any normal. human. >> Yeah, I mean it was. at first you know, I think I I I think I.

did a good job of going along and. respecting her wishes. I just think that. when it came to the push and the shove. and and trying to stand up and trying to. figure out it was like a power balance. of who's going to win this one who's. going to win that one, you know, and. never did I ever lay my hands on her one. time in the relationship. I got smacked. with a few diamond rings in my face, you. know, you know, No. and and. you could probably. like do an appraisal off my face cuz of. the imprint, you know, but like uh.

we we we went back and forth but it was. because I was I I didn't want to be a. yes person to her. I wanted to be honest. and sometimes it worked and sometimes it. didn't work it depended on what she was. the mood she was in and um. so. it continued you know, um. pressure of that there was a point in. when she was about 5 months pregnant she. didn't even go to the doctor and tell. anybody cuz she didn't want a doctor to. know. So she's like just winging herself. and I said don't you think you should go. to the doctor and she's like no, I feel. this one's good, you know, trust me I.

know and we know and this is the blah. blah and she was giving me all the. reasons why she shouldn't. And there was. some point about 5 months along and. still the secret was kept and nobody. knew and she was really worried about um. people knowing. but she was more worried about that she. was a diet pill spokesperson for TrimSpa. and that she would lose her job. Not. that they would have. But and they they were actually. supportive when it came down to finding. out about it. But she was so concerned.

because she was in survival mode that. that was her check. Right. What do you. mean? I tell the truth and someone's. going to take my check, you know? So it. was just it was just that was one of the. big things. Then she started hatching a plan that. she was going to actually get a camera. and start filming stuff. And she was. going to put this on her website and. make people pay for it. Mhm. And she was. going to do her own reality show. Right. >> Screw the people at E. You know, I'm. going to do my own. Why are they going. to [ __ ] make money off me? I'll make. my own [ __ ] money, you know? >> Yeah, howardandbeth.com. >> Yeah. So she did and so she put the site.

up and she started putting some. merchandise up and stuff and like she. didn't put the videos up yet cuz she. wasn't to that point of announcing or. whatever. And I said to her, "Well, you don't want. me to be in this." She's like, "No, I I. I think you know, it would be fine, but. I want you to understand if you are in. the press, you got to be careful what. people are going to talk about you, you. know, and you got to be ready for it and. whatever." So. about 5 months, 5 and 1/2 months into. it, she had this. um really. extremely bad headache and.

I was worried because, you know, she. previously had seizures the night of the. whole big infamous American Music Awards. that that tape whenever she had seizures. that night. Um I thought she was going. to have I was always on seizure watch, you know, and. um. so I I was like, "Oh, you know, let me. call Howard." And Howard's like, "We're. going to take her to the doctor or. whatever." Well, I was told. I I really shouldn't go. And by the way, you know, there was nobody at the house. Can you help do this, watch the dogs, do. whatever? I was like, "Yeah, but I was. really nervous and worried about her,

you know?" But I I I knew that if I went. that I could it would be probably. divulge that I was, you know, the dad or. possibility or whatever. So um. eventually I I I was able to come to the. hospital. I got to the hospital. Howard's in a cot. on the side of the bed. It was a I I. want to say it was like where where they. used to say like it's a two-person room, but there was only they cleared the. other side out. >> Right. >> And there's a cot set up and um. you know, Anna came I I went over to. Anna and she um. she was.

um. she she was um. kind of like in a a good mood and she. was out of her pain and stuff for the. headache and stuff it seemed and and um. she she said they're going to come in. and do a scan in a few minutes and. um they're going to show the baby and I. was like, oh oh okay, cool. And um I was. like, do you want me to go out of the. room or do you She's like, no, just stay. here, whatever. She I was like, where. where do you want me to sit or what do. you want me to do? You know, like I. don't want to be do the wrong thing, you. know, and there was doctors coming in.

and stuff. And she was under an alias at. the hospital and stuff and you know, so. I um. eventually climbed in the next to her in. the bed cuz she was like, just sit up. here with me. I was like, okay. So, I literally like. stayed for a while. We got to see the. the ultrasounds and um. and I was like, you know, it that's when. it kind of became real to me. because I felt like, oh wow, we were. moving and I was worried. I was like. it was almost like the they said, oh, everything's great, everything's fine. I.

was only worried because like her. health, not because she was doing a. bunch of drugs. Even the medication she. was doing. I was just worried in general. because we went through the miscarriage. and you like, I guess every other when. you're having a baby and there there's. all these concerns till you get to a. certain point. And um. in the hospital she they were trying to. control some of her symptoms and stuff. and they gave her like they basically. overdosed her on on uh Benadryl or gave. her too much, I should say, you know. And she started scratching and itching. This was like a night or two after I'd. stayed literally slept in the bed at the.

hospital with her. They And nobody said. anything and she did she didn't say. leave or someone's going to find out. And and Howard was just still sitting in. the cot stuff. So, basically um I said, "Anna, Anna, you. can't do that." You know, and she's. like, "What?" And then Howard's like. gets up and he's like, "You're yelling. at her. You need to leave." And but I. don't know. Get out of here. And I was. like, "Okay, so." I got up and I was. basically, uh. pushed out of the hospital. But Anna really was kind of like, she.

was like in an agitated state. >> Well, yeah, when you're going when. you're having an allergic reaction like. that, it's going to make you agitated. >> But I was concerned for her. I wasn't. trying to raise my voice and I think I. don't know what happened. It was. something that just really shouldn't. have happened. >> Yeah. And I and and. I um I was asked to leave and um. I I I remember I left the hospital. and I was like, he's asking me to leave. the hospital where my girlfriend is. having a baby we're having a baby, you.

know. >> Yeah. And I I. but I I was honestly worried that he was. going to call the police or something on. me. Like I felt like that. I always felt like um. and not that this was even on his mind. and maybe it was just paranoia of mine. I felt like I was waiting to either fail. a test or be set up for something. Right. >> You know what I mean? >> Yeah. >> Like I so I was like. >> were waiting for the shoe to drop. because you you knew that it was. fleeting. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I was like um. I I I I I don't know. I just so I so I.

walked out of the hospital. I walked. past the nursery. There was all these, you know, um. I went up the elevator, down the. elevator and I remember walking past a. window where there were the babies and. stuff and I remember thinking and there. were couples and stuff and walking down. the hallway they're leaving with a real. chair and with their baby. And it was a. such a normal sight to see those people. and I felt like I was living everything. but that. Right. >> And it wasn't and I remember looking at. the babies going, what I mean, it was. just a wake-up call to like.

you're going to be a dad, but you're in. some deep [ __ ]. like right now. Like you don't like how. are you going to get out of this one, you know? Yeah. You know? And so, um I. left the hospital, but before I left and. before things went sour, backing up, there was a key thing that happened that. that Anna had acknowledged me in a diary. as being the dad. And acknowledged Howard as being the. uncle. And I I felt bad for Howard. I was like, Howard's over there. Come here, Uncle. Howie. And you just sign your name here.

and like so they put it on a book and it. was like. >> was just in the hospital journaling. >> Yeah. Okay. Journaling. And he And. Howard got her something from the gift. shop and it had a stamp set with it. It. was like a I don't know, like stationary. stuff. So we put our fingerprints in it. Each one of us did. I was next to the. father, Howard's next to the I don't. know why why she said put your finger. It was like she was like being a kid. Let's play with this, you know? And um. >> But I bet that saved you later on. Well, you would think, but like I. that um. that diary has never been seen again.

Wow. >> Yeah. That That of all her I have every diary. she ever wrote back to when she was. little. That diary was never seen again. because I feel like paternity. and people made statements. Howard said. he was the father. If he said that and. that said that, I felt like I'll, you. know, whether he threw it, she threw it, who whatever. It's It's gone, you know? It may never come. But I after leaving. the hospital, it was just like um I went. back to Kentucky. It was It was Derby. weekend. Mhm. And I'm like, I got to. [ __ ] make some money. Like I Like I'm. having a baby. I don't know if it's.

going to work out, if I'm going to get. visitation every other week, if you. know, I'm going to be in court. I don't. know what's happening with this whole. situation, but I know that I'm having a. baby. So from leaving that situation at. the hospital and from leaving, you just. felt like, okay, this is going to be a. fight. Like you kind of knew that it was. going to your in order for you to be a. part of your child's life, you were. going to have to put up a a fight. >> Not Not necessarily with Anna. Right. Well, no, but just the circumstances. >> I I feel like because um I felt like.

um. that if I had to fight for my daughter, it crossed my mind that I I I was like. basically I was I was making money, but. I couldn't afford to fight a celebrity. >> Right. >> that about a baby, you know? But I. didn't even think that I I don't know. that I felt like it was going to 100% go. there. >> Right. >> I felt like I needed a break. Right. >> And I need to make money because I said. in my mind always, "You said you don't. want anything from this lady. You don't. want to take money from her. You don't. want to pay bills. And how stupid would. you look you know, if you were asking.

her to pay for diapers and stuff like. that." I wanted to contribute, you know, I Was she okay with you going back to. Kentucky? >> even know I left. >> Oh, so you just went home. >> So I left. I got on a First off, a few. days had passed and I didn't hear from. her. And I was like. >> Were you at the apartment? >> Yeah. >> Okay. I was at the apartment. I had a. few days and I was like, you know, I. didn't hear from her. Um I was trying to text and um she had. been texting in the hospital before the. whole thing with the Benadryl and I was. like, I don't know if she's got her. phone or if he took her phone. I don't.

know if I was blocked cuz that happened. before, too. Right. >> You know, blocked on instant message on. AOL. Everybody had AOL and. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. blocked on this and. you get unblocked and you go back, you. know, it's like then you change your. screen name and you go around and you. you know, it's like. you know, so it was kind of that kind of. petty stuff and I was like, "Okay, maybe. I've been blocked." I'm like, "Fuck, but. I have to make money." And I I went. back. Somewhere when I went back to. Kentucky, that's when. um. my phone started blowing up. I was on. that same steamboat that I was on years. ago. >> Okay. Okay, now the lady from the. Titanic was long gone. But I was on.

there and I was like, I literally found. myself back in that same moment again. >> Yeah. And I was like That's crazy. >> Yeah, and I and I said, "Okay." And as. soon as I was headed to that steamboat. my phone was blowing up and it was like, um. uh people cuz I had I I being a. photographer and a reporter, the same. way I built my career up those people. used that contact. in this situation that was coming up. about the paternity. So they knew how to. get a hold of me, Mhm. but they weren't. talking jobs, they were talking, "Wait,

we just got a tip that Anna Nicole's. pregnant." And I'm like, "What?" So, I. start texting Howard saying, "Hey, they're asking if she's pregnant, you. know, I'm like. uh what happened? You did Who did you. tell? And blah blah blah. So, Anna calls and she's like, "Where are you?" I go, "I'm in. Kentucky." She goes, "Why did you leave. the hospital?" I go, "Howard told me to. leave the hospital.". She goes, "I didn't even know, Larry. They've had me screwed up on this. Benadryl." She goes, "And then I had an. allergic reaction and they changed my. medication." She goes, "I didn't even.

know you were gone." She goes, "Get back. here." I go, "Well, there my phone is. blowing up." So, everybody was asking. like, you know, "Do you have Do you know. who the dad is? Can you tell us who the. dad is? Are you the dad?" You know, it. was like that started coming. I was. like, "Oh, shit.". And I'm like, "Um. not Let me You know, I was like I was. put them all off, you know. >> Yeah. And then when Howard said, they started contacting him cuz he was. really officially her spokesperson. >> Right. He was saying, you know, it will. He was starting to play cat and mouse. with the press. "If Anna's pregnant,

she'll let you know. She, you know, maybe she is, maybe she isn't. You know, you'll find out soon. Ha ha ha, you. know." Really. >> Right. kind of like just. It was it it created more problems. >> So, swatting the hornets' nest. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And I was like, "Okay, um so Howard. called back." He says, "You need to deny. that you're the father." And I'm like, "Okay." I cuz I wasn't in it for Right. >> that. I mean, you've already spent 2. years with this woman, why would you. start, And I I felt like I passed the.

test if I said I'm not the father. Right. I That was my test. I was like, "Okay. All right." Called the lady from. Star magazine, said, "Nope, you're. wrong. That's I'm not the father." Yeah. So, hung up the phone, kept going and going and going. >> somebody from the hospital tipped them. off? I think what happened was Anna was. texting people while she was on. Benadryl. Oh. >> And she told this girl. that she was expecting a baby. Oh my. goodness. Okay. And we came There was some other things, too. There was a photographer that lived.

close to her who was a um actually a. really great photographer and way better. than I ever was, but wound up taking. pictures of her from his balcony Mhm. and selling them to, you know, and that. created more problems and more problems. >> Right. So, then it was like, okay, we've. got a glimpse of Anna Nicole. She's. heavily pregnant. She's not just like, you know, whatever, you know. But, the. problem was is that Anna and I, when she. knew she was pregnant, she wanted me to. make money, but she also didn't want me to leave.

So, we concocted that we were going to. take a series of photo shoots and we. were going to put them in the can. So, we did an Easter shoot. She dressed up. as the Easter Bunny with the Easter. basket and Easter eggs, you know, and. then then we did, you know, holiday. stuff and then we did like just random. stuff with her. >> an iconic photo shoot of her with the. Easter basket. >> Thank you. And uh. And. >> We we redid that photo shoot, actually. >> It was a trashy lingerie Yeah. thing or. whatever. Yeah. We still have everything. she had worn. Yeah. >> I love that. But uh so, she would put all these photo.

shoots in the can cuz she, you know, she. wanted people to think that she wasn't. pregnant and she also wanted TrimSpa to. think that she was was not pregnant. >> Right. >> So, when the cat was out of the bag, it. was obvious she was pregnant. Um. you know, um. just mystery, mystery, mystery and they. were ha-. Anna's. attorney, Howard, was having kind of a. little bit of fun with it. In and in. Anna's world, I don't I won't say in his defense, but. in the past and in most situations, when.

the more press talks about you, the more. you're wanted, the more you get, the. offers go up, you know. So, it was kind. of like, okay, this is going to lead to. something else because everybody's. talking about Anna Nicole. Right. And I. remember um. you know, I was on going to the grocery. Anna was eating like $200 worth of pies. a the and cakes and I was going down I. was going down the canyon I'd get back. up and she's like go down and get some. more. Go down and get some. You know, and it was just kind of like I was. running around and doing a lot of. stuff and I was flipping pancakes and. then I was like doing facials and foot. massage and she'd fall asleep and she.

had like seven steps of her skin care. line that she had out. She had them. numbered, you know. And she I'd get us. to four and she'd fall asleep. She'd. wake back up and I would I would be. literally on like nine or 10. She'd go, "You didn't you're cheating. Start back. at one." And like, you know, it's like a. lot of like, you know, I mean there was a lot to it and to the. point where I started writing on that. same calendar where she was charting out. like sex and this and. I said transported patient, transported. this, painted this for her, painted some. furniture, did this to let her know I. was like doing all this stuff, you know.

And um. and. she um. I don't know. It was just it it it I got. off track, but um No, you're good. You're just telling us the journey of. the pregnancy. And like, so when you. guys. uh what prompted her to move to the. Bahamas and how did you guys completely. break up? >> Yeah, after, you know, like the press. scrutiny and like, you know, the mystery. and, you know, who's the dad and all. this stuff kept coming out and. um.

the press what they did was they went. back to those interviews where Anna said. she was single and she didn't have a. anybody that she was dating. And so they. there were there were. um. like some tabloidy type stuff, you know. >> Mhm. Um Anna Nicole gets sperm donor. something. and, you know, blah blah blah packs on. the pounds and whatever. You know, anything they could say to try to like. be in part of the story. Right. So, um. I went one time down to the gas station.

right around the corner from her house. uh down the canyon. and I think Howard went to run some. errands or whatever. About two days later Howard comes back. to Anna in the bedroom and I was laying. in the bed and he says, "Look what I. found." And it's a picture of me pumping. gas with no shoes on literally at a gas. station. And I'm like, um, I have like. this angry look in my I can't see I must. have a glare or something in my eyes and. I can't see. And I'm doing like this. And it's like uh it says, "Anna Nicole's.

publicist. um. is he the father of her you know blah. blah blah kid whatever.". And I was like, "What is I didn't know. anything about it." But it was a photo. agency that I had previously worked with. through my photography job. >> Yeah. >> But they never called me and said, "Hey, are you the father?" or anything. >> Yeah, they just printed it. >> They well they they they staked out her. house. Mhm. And they put they knew I. wasn't her publicist but it because I. was sending those photo shoots that we. were stockpiling to them, they kind of.

considered me I guess in that role as a. publicist. So, I was like, "This is. totally off base. I don't even know. where this is coming from." And you. know, uh obviously look at me like I had. a a full grown beard and I was like no. shoes on. I looked like a homeless. person. You know what I mean? >> Right. So, I it was inferred to Anna. that I did I called them. And I told. them. So, Howard kind of snaked you. Yeah, but. I went back because I had a code because. I was a photographer and I was on that.

system of the website and I pulled up. the actual the whole shoot from that. And guess who I saw? Howard was in the. picture taking the dog out of a vet. So, I went back to Anna and said, "Hey, I. was photographed. They used the same. caption under Howard's photograph. So, how is how am I responsible for Howard. getting photographed and me getting. photographed?" She never really accused. me of that. Yeah. >> She was like, "Oh my god." And so then. the whole thing started with Anna got a. sperm donor whatever. And I said to her. I was like, "You know, look they're.

saying I'm a publicist, they're saying. I'm a boyfriend, they're saying you have. a sperm donor." I'm like, "This is kind. of just like a lot, you know, to take. in." Yeah. I'm like, "I'm trying my best. to not say anything or whatever. So, back when I was at the Derby and. whatever, my phone was blowing up. She. wanted when I came She said, "You got to. come back home." So, we kind of. reconciled on that. For The hospital. thing was in the past. Like everything. else in Anna's life, you know, she kind. of pushed under the rug. Wasn't a great. communicator. We moved on to the next. thing. Right. Waiting for the next. problem, you know? Right. And so, about.

I'd say. a couple weeks after that situation with. the press, um Anna wanted to go get her hair done. And I was like, "You What are you going. to get done?" She's like, "I'm going to. get my hair highlighted. You know, I. want to look pretty and I feel gross and. nasty and" I was like, uh you know, me. I'm like nervous. I'm like, "I read. online that you're not supposed to get. your hair dyed when you're pregnant.". And she's like, "Yeah, stop all that. I'm going to do it. I'm going to get. it." I'm like, "All right. All right.". So, there was like just me being like. nervous, you know? And I um.

And maybe she thought it was overkill. I. don't know. Um We went down the street. to a hair salon right by our house. Um. She had this big trench coat on. And her. stomach is showing and I'm like, "Anna. Anna, like you got to close the trench. coat." Like, you know, I was like, um. and she's like, um "Leave me alone." And. so, she was like overdoing it. The girl. was doing her hair and it wasn't. somebody she knew. It was like someone. they just put. So, there's no loyalty. there. So, I was kind of really like, you know, I was like, "Oh, she". And um.

and I was like, "Well, you know, there I I I don't want. anybody to say anything." So, Anna turns. to the girl. She goes, "Oh, I'm gaining. weight for a role that I'm playing." And. it was like It was so over like the. opposite direction of what was going on. >> Right. >> So, I say, "Look, I'm going to go. invoice for my photos that I took on a. different job or whatever." And I was. like, "I'm going to I'll be back." And. she's like flipping through a magazine. You know, when you get to the salon. you're doing the magazine. >> Mhm. She's like, um. "Oh my god, these are so cute. Glasses. Chanel glasses or whatever. Go get me.

these." And I was like, "Uh, okay, whatever." So, she rips the page. out and hands it to me. I said, "I'll. stop by the mall on my way back and see. if I can find them." And I'm like like. going, "Are these glasses going to be. like $2,000 like the rest of the ones. that she has, you know?" Cuz I'm like. sitting there trying to get my money for. my pictures and I'm like trying not to. say, you know, "I don't have all of this. money.". And um I mean, I have credit cards and. things I can do, but I'm like, you know, I'm I'm just honest. I'm like, "It. wasn't like, you know, um her birthdays and Christmas wipe me. out every year, you know, like you know,

so. um I was like, "All right, um I'll just. see what I can do." So, I went to the um. to I went to the FedEx whatever just. throw my invoices off and. um. and I went by the glass place and. they're like, "These glasses aren't out. yet. These are like they come out soon, but they don't have them or whatever.". It's like, you know, like when they put. stuff in magazines and it's like not. there yet. So, that So, I went back to the hair. salon. I didn't have the glasses. Um Anna said, "What took you so long?" I.

was like, "I I was just doing my. invoices, you know." And um she went. totally off about this pair of. sunglasses. And I to this day I still. it's a head-scratcher. And I was like, "I I'm sorry. I didn't get them. I I'm. like I'm literally I'm sorry. I asked. I'm like, 'Here, call the. yourself. Like they they don't have. them. They don't have them out yet.'". And. "I'm going to get my own ride home.". I was like, "Okay." And so, she called Howard and. Howard came down the hill to get her and. I went back to the apartment. Well, somewhere in that whole thing.

um she was told a bunch of stuff that I. found out later. And I. you know, I try not to point the finger, although a lot of fingers go in certain. directions, but I I I, you know, um. so, she gets on a plane. in the middle of the night and she goes. first to South Carolina. and then to later to the Bahamas. And I'm like. you know, I just literally even though.

things weren't perfect, it was the world. that I knew with her and I was. navigating and I was still literally. on this roller coaster going to be a. dad. What was it that she was told? Um. >> make her leave a city that you guys had. >> I would find out later that she was told. that I was going to take her baby. from her. and that um I was going to then be. entitled to 50% of whatever she would. get from the Supreme Court that they. were it was on the line. Yeah. >> Because now I had it was a I had a.

different role. So I I I could get child. support or I could get whatever. You. know, it was like something and. it was like it was something that we. never it never even crossed my mind. It. never even came up in conversation. I. still thought I was fighting for like to. be a dad and just to be there in the in. the room, the same room that you know, many ways that like you know, um was. great but also tortured me. Like I was. like I didn't know. It was like a a. crazy thing. So I was like um. she. you know, I would have to do a lot of.

investigation work um as after she left. At first it was sporadic the. conversations that she would do Mhm. um. with me. She would get on instant. message AOL. So we would we would. communicate through that and I I would. um talk to her and I was like you know, I would say stuff and she would. sometimes be nice, sometimes be not so. nice. And then we would talk on the phone and. stuff. It was just kind of a weird. moment because.

um it wasn't like all the time. And so I had to actually um. sign up for $5.99 a month to go on her. website because to see. for the first you know, few weeks while. she was updating after she left. >> Yeah. if she was okay and then when they. found. um somebody internally found out that my. credit card was on there I was canceled. And then I had to sign up through a. friend's credit card to get on and see.

And just to see the baby. That's so. hurtful. >> Yeah. So you go from picking out baby. names, getting in the hospital, being. accused of all this stuff. >> Yeah. You know, telling being told that. you're an angel, being convinced now. that you're the devil. Right. >> And then it was like all these weird. things that were I just didn't know. >> that just be cut off like that is just. so crazy. >> And I thought can I win? How can I win. with this, you know? >> Yeah. And so there was a lot of things.

that would take forever to explain and. and and um but I'll give you the. shortest version. >> Mhm. There were a lot of people in the. mix of when she left for um I know you. don't like short versions, but Yeah. I'll give you the the truthful version. but in the in the shorter form form, but. um she when that got into the play of. this whole thing. They were told one. thing about me. Um they had interest of their own of. different ways. Um. And then it got to. people started researching the laws. How.

can how can. uh which laws are better for Anna in. South Carolina against the father? Oh, no the father's laws were better there. So then the plane took off and went to. the Bahamas. In the Bahamas a lady can. say, you know, you know, Joe Blow's my. dad baby daddy and Joe Blow's the baby. dad. Right, which is essentially what. happened. >> Yeah. So um. still the press is trying to figure out. what's going on. Anna goes on her. website and the people that pay $5.99.

get a nice message. Hi you all, it's. Anna Nicole. I just want to let you know. I am pregnant. And then she goes by some. guy and I'm like, oh yeah. You know, it's like. >> Yeah. You're like, thanks. This is what. I've been resorted to. So At least you're getting. acknowledgement though. >> it was it was it was weird though. because when she said that. it was it was her way of saying I'm not. going to say anybody's name to get. famous off of me. Right. >> I'm going to say all only thing that I. can say. Right. And Like that whole.

situation alone when they got out there. just started getting really weird. >> So what happened was. I got to a point where. um. the communication with Anna started. getting better. Aw. And she um. she would send me like these instant. messages and stuff and I really was. trying we. not to go too deep in it but like like. we kind of had a connection about music. >> Mhm. and Anna wasn't really a good.

communicator. She didn't like to say a. lot of stuff so she might just say. I want you to listen to this song and. then it would be what she wanted to say. but she couldn't say. Right. >> You know? And I would. >> What would one of those songs be? Um. Well one one of the songs actually was a. kind of like a. um. a joke on the fact that we were always. back and forth like and we always found. our way back and it was uh. Here we go again with Norah Jones and. Ray Charles. Mhm. And it was like you.

know I think that one of the lines is. like here we go again he's back in town. again we're going to make up again. It. was kind of like that but then there was. also like um. There was all kinds of music but I would. like I would make her CDs like you know. you like make mix tapes like back in the. day. >> Yeah. I feel like we need to bring it. back. Bring back the CDs, right? That. was before you That was after your or. before your time, right Haley? You had your you had CDs burned for you? Yeah. >> I love it. I miss that era.

>> Um and you bootleg them from Napster. Yeah. Or or what was Wait what was the. other one? LimeWire. LimeWire yeah yeah. LimeWire yeah that was the big one. That. one will put porn on your phone or porn. on your computer. Get a virus. So, you know, um during the. time she left, I was I was like trying. to get like how can I get a message. through her? So, I would send her songs. And like you know how you could go in. and say the message was just read at. such and such. It give you a tag. Um and. I could track that she was reading and. then she would write me stuff back. But.

then she would um. It got to the point where like we were. now up to like you know, 6 months, 7. months pregnant. She was still gone and. that was going closer to 8 and. um. I I There was a time where we got on the. phone and stuff. And I would say to her. um. She Her number was changed four or five. times. Yeah. It and she would call me from the. number. So, I think someone else changed. her number so I couldn't call the. number. Right. >> So, I was like, "Okay, so if you don't.

want me to have the number, you would. block it or do whatever, you know, like. you can do all that stuff." Right. So, when she called like some of the times. um. she would say, you know, um. nice things. And then one of the last. times there was a um. There was a young She asked me what I. was doing. And I knew what she was doing because. she was posting on the internet. And. there were also people in the Bahamas. that were kind of telling me things and. I was you know, some of it you you kind. of was like is that true or is that not. true or whatever. And um.

And so I There was a time when. I still had to work and I was still like. I I'm still having a baby. I I don't know what's going to happen, but I I I. I I need money. I I feel like I know I. keep talking about the fact that I feel. inferior and I needed money. Mhm. But I. felt like that. ever since I got in that relationship. with her. and I wasn't the gifts weren't up to. snuff and the things weren't like what. she I felt like I was so that that money. was going to fix all of it. Well, also,

you know, how they've pinned you in the. media. I'm sure you there's a little bit. of self-defense there because, you know, when I got with my husband, he literally. had a van named Bertha and didn't have. any money and I made all the money, but. I still get pinned the gold digger. You. know, so it's like I make it known like, "No, I have never been a gold digger.". So, I see that in you is that you you. want to reiterate to people like, "Hey. man, I never relied on this woman. I. loved her for who she was and not.

for who she was off of, you know, Hollywood, out of Hollywood. I loved her. when we would paint paintings in the. bedroom and, you know, pick out baby. names. Um yeah, it it it um. I don't know. It's so like during that. whole time. it it it was just um. like if you if you imagine like I, you. know, I know I mentioned before, but. like just just to put in perspective. you. now have spent almost like 2 years of.

your life with this lady that you. feel like you were building trust to to. just to. to to love her back in return and like. be the person that she wanted you to be. for her and and to give her these things. that she wanted and she wanted this baby. and stuff and I felt like I was actually. um my angel wings I was getting my wings. because I was an angel, you know, and I. was like and I'm like, "Oh, you know, I'm doing the right thing here." And um. and I felt like in many ways I was. helping her. I felt like and I don't. want to make myself sound like a saint.

or something, but I felt like I really. truly was like adding something to what. she was missing. Your relationship with. her gave you purpose. Yeah, it did and. and I um. so I would hang on everything that she. would say. I would literally I I. literally lost like a lot of weight like. just nerves and stuff and not knowing. what was going on and stuff. And um. after Anna put that video out about her. being pregnant, she still didn't say who. the dad was and that she, you know, was. kind of tongue-in-cheek, "I'll let you. know later, wink wink, next week $5.99.".

You know, it's so it was like. it was it was it would turn the fact of. us having a baby. and being supposedly private into like. this commercial business. To a circus. essentially and a media circus. But it was like. you know, I I was like I just couldn't. couldn't believe what I was going. through and so like. all these communications and stuff like. I I there was a time when she was about. 8 months pregnant and she said um what. are you what are you doing and I'm like,

oh I'm I'm getting ready to go to work. and. I'm like I'm what are you what are you. working on? I'm like, well, I'm. I'm getting on a um I'm I'm doing some. photographs for a uh country singer. Well, who is it? And it was an. up-and-coming singer. I had never. honestly heard of her. Really nice girl. and um she's no longer in the business, but I it was like saying um. you know, it's so-and-so and I said the. name and she um. I don't know she looked her up or what.

and she's like. um. well, go F her then and this is this and. this and this and got it was like a. whole big thing and like I was like, okay, I I'm just working, you know. Yeah. >> And um I go I got to go and um where are. you going? I'm well, we're going to this. event this concert or whatever. And. she said um. and then this is after she's kind of. tortured me with like small updates and. stuff. The last thing she said on that. instant message that during that time.

was, don't ever fall in love again. And I was like. I think she was a bit jealous because I. was getting ready to get on a tour bus. or go to you know, and this she had. looked at this girl or whatever and and. it really was nothing. It was a it was a. it was like I was like, [ __ ] I need. some money. You know, I got to make. money, you know. >> Yeah. Yeah, you had to work. >> Yeah, and um. so. it's out of that um I lost contact for a. few days and um then. um now meanwhile, uh. I I had talked to some attorneys cuz I.

was like, I don't want to fight with. her, but I don't know where this is. going to go or whatever. And I didn't. want to do anything. And I was like, I. didn't want to add to the circus that. was already going. So, I just kind of. sat still and I said to her, you know, come home, come home, you know, please. And and you know, it was all like kind. of like it started to get um. just accusations. You're the one that. told the media I was pregnant. You're. the reason why I had I couldn't stay at. my house. You're the I was like, what. who's telling you this stuff?

You know, I had an idea, but I was like, who's telling you this? And I I would. get over one hump with her and then we'd. get to another thing. Right. So, then. after I lost contact with she says, don't fall in love again. Um. I'm sitting at home and I'm like the the. news is going and I'm like um. there was a message said. there was a on the bottom of the ticker. or whatever on the the whatever CNN or. something. It said, uh. Anna Nicole's child dies in the Bahamas.

And I was like. my kid's dead. Like, what happened? Like, I was. thinking like, you know, what happened? And I I was like. I I was everything was just spinning all. around me and I was like I was in a. state of shock and I was like. you know, what's going on here? And and. it came to find out that my sister knew. a singer. and a band in the in Nassau and he knew. people that was that were in the. hospital. And they said that it was.

Anna's son, Daniel, died. Yep. And so. I. for a moment I felt relieved and then I. started I was still in shock. I would. later feel guilty for being relieved. about my kid. But then, you know Right. But that's understandable cuz at first. your first thought was that it was your. baby. >> Yeah. And um. the news still did not have that it was. Daniel. I had it like I had the. information for a while and I was like I. was like, "Oh my god, this is just going. to be the end. This is end. I don't know.

what happened or whatever." So. um. you know, obviously I didn't hear from. her during then, but a couple days went. by and the news is still speculating, "What happened to Daniel? Who was the. last person to see?" People were. pointing fingers and all this stuff and. you know, Anna's mom was out doing. interviews, you know, saying alleging. that certain people had something to do. with it and you know, he did this and. that did that and you know, who was the. last person with her and it was Just to. clarify, she had already given birth to. your child and then Daniel died 3 days.

later, correct? Or 2 days later after. >> Three. Yeah, 3 days. >> Daniel was born the the September the. 7th, Daniel died the 10th. >> The 10th, right? >> didn't know. Remember, I didn't know. that Daniel was born. Okay, gotcha. >> knew it. Okay, I didn't know. Okay, so. you didn't know. >> the last I heard cuz I was like I. literally because Howard was going out. and saying, "You're not the dad. You're. not this. You're not that." And and he. went on Larry King and said he was the. father. >> Right, which So basically when he did. that, he goes, "Well, you did you do a DNA test, Mr. Stern?". No. Well, how do you think that based on. timing?

So I was like starting to get mind. [ __ ] and I was like, "Okay, [ __ ]. Let's go back and do this I was like. What a weird web that you had gotten. entangled in and didn't even realize. >> And I I. I was going back with my sister with a. calendar going, "Okay, help me figure. this out." I you know, like if you're. this many months pregnant, you're this. And she's like, "No, but you there's a. there's a gap and then you go back and. you So I was like, "Okay, okay." And But. in your mind, you didn't think that her. and Howard had ever been intimate. >> No, but when he said that, at first I. laughed honestly when he said it cuz I.

was like, "That's. because I know what Anna told me and I. there's no way." But then when you start. thinking and it's repeated and all the. news is repeating it, you're like, "Well, could this actually. >> brainwashed about it. >> could this actually have happened?" But. then they also get married. Yeah, so I. would doing the math and I'm thinking, "Well, you know, like obviously like you. know, I'm not going to be you know, stupid like what could have happened or. whatever. Well, she. um Daniel dies. Daniel's still in the. morgue, you know, basically they.

haven't done arrangements. And then. the paternity test um. I started and I gave Anna 30 days. I. said privately I said to her I said I'm. going to give you 30 days. This is like. a several I don't know like maybe two. weeks after Daniel died and she I said. are you coming home with the baby? The. news was reporting in people and it was. kind of tabloid but it was enough to. scare me saying that Anna wasn't feeding. her baby and there was. >> But so by then you did know that she had. given birth. >> she gave birth when Daniel died finally.

when the news came out cuz they the. purpose of him was going to see my. daughter. >> Right. >> that I didn't ever met yet but um I I. found out and um people were saying a. lot of stuff like she had these nannies. and then there was a dispute she was in. a house there were dispute over the. ownership there was a whole thing with. like this immigration minister there was. a lot of scandal. >> Right. It was just so explosive that. like people don't even know the. backstory to. >> No, yeah, I remember all of that going. on. And so like so. um. during all that um.

she's still in this house. I gave her 30. days. She's still throwing accusations. Now she says I called child services on. her. And that she was told by someone in. the government that I called child. services. I'm like no one told you that. cuz I didn't and then. I saw her mother somewhere out in the. Bahamas by chance over I was at a. restaurant and she came up. She told me. she. >> were you went to the Bahamas? >> I went to the Bahamas finally. Yes. um. to talk to an attorney. Yes. >> But she told me that she was the one. that called child services. Her mom did.

>> Yeah, her mom called cuz her mom was. trying to fight to take the baby from. Anna. at the time, you know, >> For what reason? Well, I it was just. weird or saying that she like Anna's in. no shape. And at that time though, I I. to backtrack, I think she was more doing. like a lot of press stuff. Mhm. It. wasn't until Anna died she was trying to. actually take the baby. But they had. there was a lot of stuff going on. between Anna and you know, she she said. she rang the doorbell. Anna said get. lost, you know. That whole thing that. was the I feel like it went zero to a.

hundred. Like I feel like like the. Bahamas was literally a curse for her. Yeah. So like somebody did voodoo out. there because her life completely fell. apart. >> Yeah. And she never recovered. Never. And when she went to the Bahamas, I'll. say this, um. Daniel back home had started um. experimenting with. with college kids. He just started. driving. He got out. And he was, you. know, and before she left and when. things were good, she was telling me,

"Go downstairs and talk to Daniel. He. didn't bring the car home." And she was. having me assume like the dad role. You. know, that Howard was at work and on the. case and stuff. I was thrown into that. position you too. And I was like, "Okay, let me just go down." I'm like, "Hey, dude, look. I'm not going to get into it. with you. Your mom wants you to bring. the car back." And he was losing weight. He was like it was something with his. appearance was off. Right. >> And. it got to the point where when she left. and went to the Bahamas, he was still. back doing what he was doing in the. States. Right. >> But Daniel, everybody that knows Anna's.

story and you know this as well, that. was her rock. That was her everything. >> Yeah. You know, and to see her. >> up together. >> Yeah. And they were more like brothers. and sisters in their relationship. And. and. to see her, I don't want to say turn her. back or ignore, but to not make him the. focus. Right. >> he had trouble getting a hold of her, he. said. And you know, he told people and. stuff. So there was this whole big thing. with that. But. and he didn't want to come to the. Bahamas. He scared he was scared to fly. Yeah. And it's weird. He he scared to. fly, I'm scared to fly, we share the.

birthday. It was we had some. similarities, but. um Is Is why he didn't want to fly here? >> Yeah, I I just I go through phases I. don't. Yeah. I just don't but I um I get. it. I understand. But he went Daniel. went to the Bahamas and. um. you know, after he passes away and. stuff, it's just um he's he's supposed. to be buried in the Bahamas. Mhm. But. there's a lot of press stuff going on. And a lot of people because the ratings. are through the roofs on all these. shows, they can't get enough of it. Oh,

I know. And it was on every channel. night after night and it wasn't just. like entertainment TV. It was Fox News, CNN and you know, it was like the next. big scandal. And so. because of that, um a lot of people were. paying for access to Anna and she was. uh media deals were being arranged you. know, on her behalf and. I maybe she did some on her own, I don't. know, I wasn't there but I a lot of. stuff I in the past she didn't really do. her own deals. Right. >> But I've been told that she might have.

done some of these. herself but I don't know. Right. >> Cuz I wasn't there but I I do know like, you know, um. I knew money was not free flowing for. her before she left. >> Mhm. I knew that everything depended upon the. next job. That's why she started the. website. Yeah. Mhm. Well, and I think I. think that I think that was one of the. things cuz she thought it was going to. be the next big thing. I think she was. kind of a little bit ahead of her time. in some ways but Yeah. um I think also. um.

it was kind of like. you know, a few to E, you know, like all the. amount show. Even though they were they. had a good relationship, they were doing. specials and stuff. She thought. she wanted 100% of the pie instead of. like, you know, a piece of it. >> Right. So, um and maybe she was smart, I. don't know but at the end of the day. everything seemed to center around. deals. Right. >> So, how um Daniel's still in the morgue. I I want to say, you know, weeks have. passed, you know. Then Anna and Howard. show up in the cover of People magazine.

and there she's in a white wedding dress. and he's, you know, in the boat, and. then, you know, they're jumping off a. boat and all this stuff. And the medium, different people started to say, "Hey, look, something's not right with this. Her son's still in the morgue. Has he. been buried? Like, what's, you know?". And then. >> Yeah, it was just really weird. >> But, the timing of it was. critical because the government was. getting ready to grant my paternity test. in the Bahamas. >> Right. >> The states were having trouble doing it. because she purposely did not come back.

to the US. Right. >> So, I had dueling actions going on. And. so, in the Bahamas, they were like the. heat was on them, and they don't care. about celebrity. Like, you as you know, it's like they people are live there, there's celebrities that live there, but. it's not like their focus. >> And um but, they didn't like the fact. that that this basically kind of was. essentially being played out as kind of. like a a kidnapping, a post-birth. kidnapping, you know, or pre-birth even. maybe. So, they were like, "Let's just. get this over with." So, they ordered.

the paternity test 2 weeks prior to Anna. passing away. And. um. when. I talked to her, you know, I'd go back. and forth and stuff, and it was. You guys were still talking during this. time? >> I sent the baby Christmas presents for. the first Christmas. I didn't get to see. her, you know? And I. I uh imagine if you will um. going through everything that I went. through and. picking out names and the ultrasounds.

and the fear and the not knowing and the. What was the name that you guys. originally picked out together? Um. originally well, it was Hannah Nicole, after Hannah, you. know, play on her name, and then she. would come back and she'd say, "I like. um. Well, we didn't know I didn't know it. was a boy or girl at that time. So, we. were like, "Nico, if it's a boy." We. like just throwing names out. Then, she. suggested Cherry Pie, and I'm like, "Okay. Do you want this to start off the wrong. way from the get-go or do you to What do. you you know?

So, I talked her out of cherry pie and. um. then, you know, obviously as when she. was in the Bahamas, I had no say at all. Right. >> So, um when the baby was born, um. and the mystery still was about the. paternity, sh- the the baby was given. Howard's name, last name Stern. And they had just did that ceremony, and. then the baby was taken to be baptized. and given a certificate under the name. Stern. So, this was like kind of like building. like.

a history of, you know, relationship, and then I look like the squawking crazy. ex-boyfriend stalker back in the States. that was, you know, whatever. Meanwhile, even while Anna's getting in. you like she's getting um. in wedding dresses and stuff, she was wearing this necklace that I had. had one that she bought from me, and she. I was talking to her. I'm like, "What's. [ __ ] [ __ ] with you jumping off of a. boat, and you're getting married? I'm. having to look at all this stuff. And um. she's like, "I well, I'm s- I sent you a. signal. And I was wearing the necklace.".

It was like more mind games and stuff, you know, and it was like And but then. she'd go like two conversations next to. like, "You know, you did this, you did. that." I'm like, "Listen, you're And I. And here's the thing. Do you think she. was heavily heavily medicated? >> Not at Not at some of the times, no. Like of the times that we were having. like really lucid good conversations, there was one time And here's the thing. I had to go against the grain of. everything that I um. had previously said, the role that I played as like the. secret keeper and like, you know, cuz.

she was so paranoid about different. things, always thinking her phones were. tapped or whatever. Well, I was trying. to woo her back, and I got a letter from. an attorney in the Bahamas that said, "Your client is sexually harassing my. client, and if it doesn't stop, your. client will spend x amount of days in. jail, and this is the fine, and blah. blah." It was like a letter, and I was. like, "Oh, I'm not going to get to see my kid. again." So, somebody that was working. with me said, "Why don't you tape record. the phone conversations and just keep. them so you know that if something comes. up that you didn't.

that you did that you you're not going. to go to jail." Right. Because at that. time there was a lot of like Anna was. you know, in literally in bed in some. pictures with like people of the. political party, the immigration. minister. There was all kinds of. different stuff that was being alleged. >> was other people coming forward about. being Prince what's his George Dubois. has like, "Who's that guy?" And he says, "Sometimes I'm bad boy." You know, and. it's like. what are we Like where did you come. from, dude? And and the thing is is like. he was one There was another theory that.

there was frozen sperm from the oil man. that was that that a relative started. and sold that to a temple. >> man? Like come on. And then there was. one person who was in jail for stalking. who hadn't seen her in years. So, but. out of that whole thing. those are things that are still on. Anna's Wikipedia page. So, my daughter's. like, "Dad, why are all these guys on your I was. like, "Dannielynn, that's just. unfortunately how it goes.". I said, "You know, of all that list. there's one person that went to court to. fight for you. Yeah.

>> me. You know, and those people I like ignore. all that [ __ ]. I teach her like the whole thing and. this is the game that people play. >> and stuff. >> But um. So, anyway, so out of like, you know, when Daniel had been. buried the the wedding's going on this. all this stuff there's every night you. flip up a channel. So, I had sent the. baby Christmas presents and I really um. I. It was a point where I was like, "Okay, I'm going to try to send this. I don't. know if she's going to accept them." Um.

I bought a bunch of clothes I. stuff and I put a note in there for her. and I said it was in a with a DVD it was. the movie The Grinch That Stole. Christmas and I said, "Just And it was a. kind of a joke but kind of me like. saying, 'Hey, you stole my Christmas with my. daughter." But I was like, "Hey, um hey. Grinch, hope you're doing well." And. just went, "Hope please give these to. the baby." And you know, and so. um. I called her. And it was during this.

whole thing where I was accused of. sexual harassment stuff. And I was like, um. "Did you uh and she was. It was one of the best conversations we. had. And I said, "Did you get the presents?". "Yeah, I got them." And she went through. stuff. I was like, "What are you going. to" And I was so nervous because I I was. like, "Are you going to let her wear. them?" And yes, and um. And I I tried to talk a little bit vague. because if I said something forward, she. was going to say. she thought I was trapping her. But I.

would actually honestly, unfortunately, had to record record the phone calls. >> Right. So I I was try I was nervous. >> to have to protect yourself. >> Yeah, I was nervous. I would I feel like. I was being set up for something, you. know? And I was like, so. I she's like, "Yeah, they were pretty.". And blah blah blah. So she goes through. all that. So I'm sitting there in that. same night, I turn on Entertainment. Tonight and she's Anna is sitting on the. couch next to Howard. And they have the box of the presents. And they said they the uh Mark Stein is. is with Entertainment Tonight and he's.

like, you know, "Anna, tell me, do you. think this is weird that he would send. presents to your kid?" And Anna looks at. Howard and he looks at her and she goes, "Yeah.". And it was like almost like, "Okay, what the. just happened?" You're like, "What is. happening?". >> Well, and I felt like she was coached by. someone to say that it was creepy and I. was a stalker, basically. Wow. Yeah. So. Kind of makes you wonder if the other. dude was really a stalker. Well, yeah. So. So basically, um that was the [ __ ] that.

I was dealing with for like and and it. was just like mind game after mind game. No. my health was dwindling. Um I wind up in. the middle of this getting like some. kind of parasite when I went down to the. Bahamas. I I was like sick as a dog. I. felt like I was on death's door and I. was like I kind of had. >> down in the Bahamas, man? What's that? >> like, "What is going down in the. Bahamas?". >> Well, I and I had enough and I was like, "You know what? I I I'm I'm tired of. being Mr. Nice Guy about this. I've got. to fight for my daughter." I gave her 30. days. She didn't come back. Um I don't.

know that she's ever going to recover. from Daniel. And every time I talked to. her, I don't care if it was a good. conversation or a bad conversation. There's one topic I didn't bring up and. it was Daniel. Yeah. I knew that if I. said the word Daniel on the phone. that it was going to go everything was. going to implode. Yeah. >> I knew I couldn't do it. Yeah. It did. come up a couple times and um but I I. didn't bring it up myself. And and. so I I you know, the thing is is that. trying to woo back and trying to do this. and all the music and the songs and.

everything I sent it was like it was. like nothing. It's going nowhere. So. finally I went and I I filed a lawsuit. and I in Los Angeles and um there was. this whole big press conference. And um. and I was like, "Oh sh. hit the fan now." Yeah. And my name. started getting all over the place. I. remember the press conference. >> Yeah. Mhm. And so. um. the thing was like there was like a. statement made to Anna Nicole and and I. was like, "I'm talking to you Anna.

Nicole and you bring that you know, it's. like and so it was like, "Oh. it's gone. This is going nuclear now, you know? No turning back." And I'm. sitting there going, you know? Yeah. I literally left the. press conference and threw up in the. trash can. You know, like like I was. like I it was like it's nowhere that I. wanted to be, you know? Yeah, but I mean. at this point you were doing everything. right to fight for your daughter. Yeah, and and honestly. after I did that. it it. it got Anna's attention. Mhm. I don't.

know if it was the best attention, but I. got her attention because I. I said to her and we were still talking. even after I filed a lawsuit against. her. Nobody really wanted us to talk. Um but but I I I was still talking to. her cuz I still thought in my mind. there's a way to. >> You loved her. Well, there's a way to. fix this. Like like and I knew cuz I. knew and I said this and there's like. there's hours of this stuff like no. one's heard like these calls and stuff. But I'll tell you in one of the calls I. do say to her, "If you know and I know. if I was in front of you right now, this.

wouldn't be happening. If you were in. the same room with me." I said, "You've. been pushed away from me and you're. listening to people that are telling you. things to do and it's getting you a lot. of trouble." And I'm like and. we went back and forth about that. And. there was a point where. um. she was going to come back and we talked. about it. She you know still kind of a. little cocky, you know. Mhm. And um and. I said, "Look, Anna. I didn't say the word Daniel, but I say. we're both losers here.". And.

I said I don't know my daughter. You. lost your son. And I I was like, "Fuck, don't say. Daniel. Don't say Daniel.". And I was like, "But that and that was. bold for me to say, you know, cuz I I. was like I was avoiding it." And um. she said, "Larry, how am I a loser? I'm the second most searched person in. the world right now.". And it was still about the press. And I. was like, "Oh. I was like, "Okay. Ground control to Major Tom." Like this. is like that we're like. you know I'm like this is not it's not.

registering. >> She lost She lost the you know the. reality almost. It was caught up in. numbers and Google searches and. notoriety and fame. >> And so we this the court thing played. out back and forth. I had two different things. I had. California going and I had Bahamas. going. One would say I'd get a little leverage. with one and then the judge was like, "Oh yeah, but she's not in the states.". Then the Bahamas thing started and then. they ordered the DNA test. She had 2. weeks to do it before she passed away.

And we had a conversation about that and. she was telling me how much money she. was spending on attorneys and she's. like, you know, why do you want me back? And she was the whole big thing. But in. those tapes, which. I didn't really want to ever do, there's so much acknowledgement. and of what was really going on, the. dynamics with the whole thing, Right. >> her true knowledge about what happened, >> Mhm. what she really knew versus what. the world thought they had to find out. through a DNA test.

>> Mhm. Um. it was a true acknowledgement, not all. good, but even the good and the bad. about the relationship, the reasons why. And I'm actually glad that I have those. and I've never done anything with them. because I've said. um. I you know, Dannielynn hasn't heard any. of these, she hasn't seen all this. stuff, she hasn't all this stuff. We're There's a project we're working on. trying to get it all together because I. sit back and watch people kind of steal. Anna's and hijack her voice. >> Mhm. And then as I'm concerned, put me. to test. over my daughter Right. and a.

relationship that I know I gave my all. for, you know, it wasn't perfect and I. think people misread that sometimes and. they think, well, you're trying to sell. us on some love story. You know, there was a lot of the press. was hard on me at first. >> But it is your love story. Yeah. It is. your love story and that's okay, you. know, like don't ever let them steal the. plot from you. You lived it, you know. what you guys had, so don't ever. minimize it just to make a documentary. happy. This is your love story and you. tell it. Scream it from the.

mountaintops. Even if it was toxic, it's. still your love story. >> And it it I was like I. and I I I was thinking, you know, well, all this stuff was never meant to see. the light of day, but. if you want to push me. and where you cross the line, you know, this person or that production or. whoever it was, um is that you you. you said to the world that the daughter. that I had that I fought for tooth and. nail. that it to the point where it just.

literally physically, mentally, financially broke me down to fight and. go through the fire to rescue that girl. that was born really in a relationship. that was. not always great, but it was love. It. was the love we had, you know, and. you're going to take that down and say. that this was a transactional Right. >> thing that I was like. and the thing with that was what they. said about me on that show was that. basically the guy can't say he's the. father. Okay, which was that's true. No guy that. was what they got right. But that um I was.

put in a separate bedroom. I didn't. sleep in the same bedroom with Anna. Yeah. And that I should have been in on. it. So like what was the payoff? And. they said he got no money. So what was the payoff for a guy to like. is just to be held captive in a room at. Anna's and Nicole's? Maybe, I don't. know. But they never paid off why they. really said that. >> Right. >> And it was from people that really. didn't know me, that wasn't in they. weren't in the house. Since then there's. other people that have taken that have. called themselves friends who have um.

rigged photo shoots with phony seances. and you know, things that like we're. going to you know, and sold the rights. to them and. >> Yeah. sold pictures of her last dress that she. wore in the casket um you know, whatever. And there's people that like. couldn't believe that their paycheck was. over. People that were she actually. hired to help her at one point. But I'll. say this, there were people that kind of. elevated themselves on the show. They're. also people that actually got a hall. pass because when Anna's son passed away. and she wasn't pretty much told not to. go back to the states.

there was a whole cast of crew people. that were brought in to cheer her up and. we're going to have a party and we're. going to have a baby shower. We're going. to have this. We're going to have, you. know, whatever it was. A birthday party. you know, we're going to. and so you don't have to go back to the. states. See how great it is here, you. know? >> Yeah. And so those people and some of. them were actually fired, let go, told. not you know, you know, need your. services. But because she was so. desperate in that moment, they were. allowed back in. And a lot of people. um not all, but a lot of people have. shown themselves in their true colors.

since then. Mhm. And you know, and You. had said something about Mo earlier. What are your feelings on that? >> the thing. I you know, um he has gone out and taken a lot of. swipes at me in the press. I've really. had no problem with him during the. relationship. You know, he would always. say, "Hey, give me those pictures of me. and Anna." You know, it was kind of He. was really showy, you know, for for a. bodyguard and you know, and and stuff. like that. But um. he. there was a whole period of uh there was.

a period we were in Vegas and there was. something that happened that I'm not. going to go into, but he was no longer. her bodyguard. She had other bodyguards. It was He didn't come back until after, you know, Anna went to the Bahamas and. she was desperate for stuff. So, um. since then, um we had issues. He had a. publicist. He was going to write a book. He had a song out called Baby Girl. You. know, everybody was doing their thing. and spinning projects off of this and. stuff and he was in the There was a show. called The Last 48 Hours where he played. himself and he's sweating and I'm going.

to come to you, baby girl. I'm going to. get, you know, like, you know, and it's. like reenacting the whole death stuff. and you know, and whatever. I mean, but. the people that I had a beef with me. um that have taken swipes and stuff. are not people that really that I had an. issue with so much when Anna was alive. When Anna died and I got my daughter, there was a shift. to where people felt like I was in. control of all things Anna. Mhm. And. that because of my daughter, like on her.

behalf or whatever you you know, what it. was like, you know, a quote or something. happened and something happens in the. press, the legal stuff, they would come. to me and say, "Hey." Or and people got. mad because there was interest in how I. was raising my daughter. Right. And that. there was media interest. So, then that was. they were they almost like they were. watching it from afar going that should. be me, you know. >> Weird jealousy thing. Yeah, it's just so. weird. >> out of that people would take swipes at. me like, you know, the ones that did. Not all. I mean, I'm friends with a lot. of people that What my motto was after,

you know, Anna passed away and this. included even Anna's mom. I said anybody. and Howard was included in this, anybody that wants to. help me. and be a part of this in a positive way, you know, I'm I'm open to anybody helping me. But, Anna's mom actually trapped me in the. Bahamas. She tried to take the baby. after Anna died. The she had an attorney who was um just. filing lawsuits left and right and she.

was trying to say that I was an unfit. dad. But, she's such a fit mother. So, the problem was is that because of. that I had private investigators. following me. I had people like just. follow me everywhere I went. Um there. were calls made to child services, you. know, on me. and where they busted in the middle of. the night. They waited till like I went. I really went out. And when I was a new. dad, I was like, "Okay, I I I'm kind of.

getting back on track. I do need to have. a little bit of fun." I I went out a. couple nights and of course like we went. somewhere there were paparazzi there. Well, once it was on TMZ that I was out, my house simultaneously was getting. raided by child services and they were. pulling my daughter's diaper down to. check her and to say that she was being. abused and that I was living in a drug. den. There were so many things that is I. mean, if you knew the whole it was like. the story is so effing crazy that like I. I don't even know how I got through it. all. And sometimes I I I say, "Did that. happen?" And then I I go.

>> Cuz you were literally living in. fighter-flight and survival mode. Yeah, and and if it wasn't for. Danny Lynn being here in the present, I. would say did did did I dream all that? >> Was it a fever dream? >> Yeah. Did it happen? Can you tell me. about your last conversation with Anna. before her death? The very last phone. call that you guys had. Um Or. communication. Well, one of the. one of the um. last times.

of. it was. it was where the judge was getting ready. to give the paternity test. And it was where I was begging her to. come home and. um. she asked me why why do you want me back. if I'm such a drug like I never said you. were a drug. And I think you know um. every little message that we had sent to. each other. email was being saved for later for like. evidence or this that or whatever. someone want to use it for. So somebody. went back through and like when things.

get heated you say something I say. something or whatever like you know and. and some of the emails I actually had to. read in court when there was the burial. trial. Um. she called me a scumbucket and I said. I'd rather be a scumbucket than a. bucket. And so it was like yeah so like. just little stuff like that. >> guys were in a toxic relationship so. >> yeah so it was like you know it wasn't. like um. it was one of those things so like. things that were said in the heat of the. moment like were then being used against. me or whatever but like when the last. conversation I had with her was um.

you know. the. um. pretty much me just wooing her back and. telling her that she was in trouble. And. I I I don't know that I had a feeling. that she was going to be in trouble. I. said if you love that baby you better. get out of there. And because it just. I I I didn't think it was going to end. great and maybe a part of me was trying. to scare her back home too you know like. I don't I mean just all honesty but I um. there were plans that we were going to.

meet up at some point when she came. home. Um. she came home for a. um. a mediation in the case against her. husband and um she was go she purposely. left the baby. in the Bahamas. Mhm. Now, that should tell you a lot because. you just lose your son, you're a mom, you don't leave your only kid. >> Right. >> You know, you fly with them and you. bring a nanny if you have to if you're. you know, not able to take care. But, it. was a it was a chess move on the. jurisdiction of the baby. So, the baby. could not have any contact. So, she came.

back and was good enough for someone to. send her to a mediation to mediate about. the money. Um and um we were going to meet up then. and um. it it didn't work out and. it went back to you did this, but you. did that and um. it was one of those things where. I you know, I know that Anna. um. I'd seen her cut people off just cold. turkey. You know, whether it was her mom or.

whether it was whoever, you know, an. employee, whatever. The thing I would say, which people. don't understand and that really um. and I think it's partly because the way. it was clouded in the media about it, you know, the speculation of who's the. dad or did you even date this girl, you. know, um. is that. she um. she you know, I don't know what I was saying anyways. Um I I was talking about you guys' last. phone call, but you had said that she.

you had seen her cut people off. >> Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, so sorry. Um I'm. I'm such a visual person that I'm visual. Every time I'm talking, I'm visualizing. these scenes and I'm like. um. I probably should be like a some kind of. a psychic or a. Yeah. The fact that you can remember the. things that you remember has been. mind-blowing to me. Like it's a. borderline photographic memory. Well, I. wrote up I. I wrote I didn't know that I was going. to remember forever and what I did was I. wrote them all down um a lot of things. down and I said you know, people have.

asked me to do a book and stuff and I. said, I don't you know, this is what I'm. going to do. I'm going to write the. I don't know that's so crazy. I don't. know people would believe half the stuff. cuz there's so much. And um. I said my mom when my mom passed away. from cancer, I was there was. there's so much things that I probably. thought I wanted to ask her that I never. did. And I thought well, I want to write this. down even if I put it in a box just for. Dannielynn. Yeah. Because of the. the misinformation that's floating out.

there. Oh, absolutely. But what I was. getting at about Anna and cutting people. off what I was thinking was that. you know, she cut so many people off in. her life, you know, and um. just walked away from them and that was. it, you know, and. um. there was something. that we had. that wasn't always great, but it was. something that connected us that she. came back. >> you off. >> It didn't matter if she was wearing a. wedding dress or saying she was marrying. somebody else. It was like it didn't.

matter what was going on. She did not. say get lost, you know, numbers changed, emails all this stuff. that was happening that I didn't know. that she I don't think that she was. doing. um she still found a way to call me and. contact and communicate with me. And so, you know, after. um. when I found out that she died, I was. actually sitting in a dentist's chair. and. it was like up to two we had like 2. weeks before the paternity stuff. I. think we were getting real close. and.

you know, I I was uh. my mouth was half numb. and I was they had the TV over, you. know, like you sit in there. and I was watching the. the um. cable station or whatever and. the bottom said it and they interrupted. and said, you know, Anna Nicole is. collapses is said in hotel room. I'm like, oh my god, she's trying to get. out of doing the paternity test and here. we go. This is another PR stunt, you. know, and like. >> Yeah, cuz I had been on the end of. helping to concoct some of those, you. know.

>> You know, and so I'm like, okay, here we. go. Yeah, good one, Anna. Yeah, right, you know. And I sat there and then the. dentist was like still going and I was. like. Um and it got the more information, more. information, and um I. I was like. wait a second. They came in and he said. Anna Nicole has died and I was like I. got up and I left and I went back to the. apartment. And um. I I went into the bedroom and.

her stuff was still sitting in there and. um. and it was like. I I it was just I was in shock and then. because of. the media always knew how to get a hold. of me from my job there were people. camped out in my house within minutes. And I couldn't get out of the garage. I. couldn't leave. I couldn't, you know. And so. it it was a whole thing where it went.

into like this whole just state of. disbelief and I actually said. um. I I I said, I'm going to save her. I'm. going to go get her. I'm going to save. her. She had been announced dead, but I. in my mind I said, no. I said, I I said. to myself, I can fix this cuz I was in. fix-it mode. Like, how could you do this if you were. an angel? You didn't, you know, you. there's your job's not done. You still. can fix this. And it got to the point. where it I I, you know, I literally knew.

she was dead, but I was thinking in my. mind I was in denial about it. And then. it became. um. the whole thing. Now, paternity still. wasn't established yet. Because, you know, people were still. doing that whole mystery thing and she. obviously she didn't do the test yet. So, then. as far as from a legal standpoint, the. stakes were higher and the pressure was. higher on the Bahamas and everybody. wanted to try to get this over with. Anna's mother was in the race. There was. a whole big thing about that. Um there.

was a burial trial about where Anna's. body should be buried. Um I got drug. into that. Um then the judge from that was, you. know, crying on the stand and then he. comes off and uh says that the baby can. have the decision. I actually was. aligned with Howard that Anna should be. buried. with her son. Yeah. But it was hard for. me to align with Howard because Howard. was the one in my mind that was causing. all this stuff. But I was being honest. And so when the whole case was over, Anna's mom was fighting trying to get. her buried to Texas. Move to Texas because she said if she.

goes to Texas, um then they they her attorney said that. Marshall money's in our backyard in. Texas. We can, you know, go in there and. get that money. You know, that's kind of. what they It was all about money. And so um. it was just It was wild. And so when she. It was decided she was going to be. buried in the Bahamas, there was a. shift. And. I had been like drug through the mud in. the media. There was like, you know, I. turned on Nancy Grace. It was like,

"Who's that Kevin Federline looking guy. going to come out here and steal all. that money?" And, you know, there was. cart There was characters of me on the. witness stand holding a bag of money and. I had like a, you know, sinister look on. my face. >> Mhm. There was all kinds of stuff, you. name it, people were saying about me. And I was like um. all because she Anna hadn't even gotten. the money yet. She was in line maybe to. get it. But I was dating her during the. time. There was a moment and it's. actually was captured uh by Inside. Edition on camera, but um which I paid. the price for later because it was. actually filmed. Um.

but. when they came in the room New Year's. Eve that year and said Anna was not. going to get any money cuz it kind of. went back and forth. It was like 15. years of crap. And I said to her, I. said, "Listen, honey, hold your head up high, go out there and. do what you do and let's have just a. great New Year's Eve. Unless I know it's. tough. I I can't imagine what you're feeling. right now. And. during that moment she was on the stage. and.

she they do the countdown and she was. like a. she was paid to like kind of like. be a an appearance at the nightclub. And. it was of all places it was at the Hard. Rock where she would later die. Um. but she um. comes off the stage. They're counting. down. And she grabs me and she kisses me and. there's tons of cameras so. you know, and like flashes and stuff and. I'm like uh. I was like. but I there was a part of me like I had. done the ocean stuff that I was like.

you know, and I was like. >> finally. >> Yeah. And so like I. we had that moment and I was like but I. I. it was more for me to give her that. sense of security that whatever she was. dealing with with the money stuff was. going to be okay. I don't know how I was. going to solve it cuz I didn't make that. kind of money. But I I I was trying to. assure her that like love is everything, you know, you you know, you're loved. You're you're this is great. And you. know, and things will be better and. whatever. And so I had been through that. whole situation where there was no money.

on the line. That that when people didn't even know I. was dating her. It wasn't until like. later in the relationship that they. actually. um. the Supreme Court said they were going. to take her case which she ultimately. lost. Right. >> It went twice to the Supreme Court. The. prob- the thing was with the Supreme. Court she was pregnant when she went to. the Supreme Court and nobody knew she. was pregnant. >> Right. >> So she had her trench coat on and she. was like all business and they told her. don't talk to the press and don't make. this kind of like an appearance. You. want to be serious. Want to be taken. seriously or whatever. So um.

nobody knew except you know, me, her, Howard, Daniel, and her assistant. And. at that time still. And um we were. watching. Entertainment Tonight. It was like a. glowing Anna Nicole enters the Supreme. Court. I'm like, if you only knew why. she was glowing, but you don't, you. know. And so, but but um, the whole. thing, I think, what I I think some of. the people um, there's misconceptions. about. you know, I live my life every day and I.

raise my daughter and obviously her. mom's name's going to come up a lot, you. know. Um, I'm not sitting around. every day cuz we don't have that kind of. We have that relationship, but we don't. have that um, type of dialogue about her mom. Because. when Dannielynn was young and she was, you know, just a baby, people from that. point forward, you know, come up and, you know, talk, "Oh, your mom was this, your mom was that." And she she she is. appreciative of it, but it has.

overwhelmed her for, you know, so long. that people come up and not that she. doesn't appreciate it. >> Well, it's a shadow that she kind of has. to live in. >> And then as she got older. and even really when she was a baby um. you know, the spitting image of Anna. Nicole, the next Anna Nicole, what's she. going to do next? Following her mom's. footsteps. She did one modeling thing, I. got dragged through the mud for it. >> Right. >> Um, but it I said to people it was a. one-off thing for her to mark her mom's, you know, Guess campaign as a tribute.

And um. you know, people had their their. opinions. A lot of people enjoyed the. pictures, but then beyond that. you know, when she steps out, we don't. do anything. We go to the Derby now. We. go back and I take her back and at first. it was kind of like um. me going back home, the party that I got. hung up on. They were like, "Oh, please, please come." Like they you know, it was. like, "Whatever you want, you know, like. you know." You're You've kicked down. that door. You're not going to get hung. up on ever again. >> Yeah. Well,

you know, would you like some caviar. with that, you know, it's coming in. But um. but we you know, I I started I went back. um. and I I took Dannielynn a a year one. year. I think the babysitter sitter. canceled on me and I was like, "Okay, you just throw a dress on, whatever.". And then after that was she fell asleep. in my arms. She was still drinking a. bottle, I think. And then after that, she got older and um I took her a couple. of times and I was like, "Oh, you know.". And it became a tradition. Yeah. >> But, it was also in my mind a way to. kind of pay tribute because that's the.

place where I met her mom. Yeah. >> and it took us all back to that. Um. She had her first birthday party in the. house at the at the Barnstable house. where I met her mom. Um you know, we I. raised her in Kentucky. At first, took. her to. California and paparazzi followed us all. the time. She was in preschool and there. were hordes of people just waiting out. We had to like duck in ice cream shops, got run off the road. Yeah. >> and it was just I couldn't take her to. the playground like kids got to play. So, I moved her out of that and took her. back to Kentucky to raise her. Um.

you know, I put her in the same public. school system that I went to. It was because I thought it was a great. system. It was it was um I got to. experience all types of people and. people were like, "Well, you should put. her in private and you should do this.". And then when she was old enough, I gave. her a choice, you know, do you what do. you want to do? Do you want to No, I. want to go because I have friends from. this background, that background. And. she got to experience everything and it. wasn't like about status or because your. mom was this or that or whatever. It was.

like So, I feel like, you know, um. is. scattered as I am in ADD and whatever, I've done a lot of different things like. in jobs and careers and and you know, um. I don't know that I was ever great at. one thing because my attention gets. shifted. Mhm. Um but, I think I've been. good at being a dad. And I and I um. and I I think that I put a lot of effort. into that. I was I've been at every pick. up and drop off at school.

Every um Girl Scout meeting, every field. trip. I'm the dad with the cupcakes. coming in and ripping the sticker off. saying I bought them. You know, I mean I. made them that I didn't buy them and I'm. like throwing the you know, receipt in. my you know One thing the world cannot. deny is that you really stepped up to. the plate as a father and I mean she. literally is in college now. She's. sitting downstairs. I got to meet her. She's a beautiful girl and she's so. sweet and so shy and so well-mannered. and that's all a testament of you. Thank. you. >> And I mean if the world can't look at.

this story that you have lived and the. legacy that you and Anna made together. Um and when I say legacy, I'm talking. about, you know, little nugget that's. downstairs. Um you know, I don't know what else. people could possibly want from you. because your actions have proven way. more than your words ever could have. >> Yeah, I I I think that. you know, um and I appreciate that. Um I. I I um.

You know, I never thought I was going to. do this alone and it didn't hit me until. I took her to um kindergarten. and I filled out the forms to enroll her. and it's I put my information down and. it said the mother's and I had to write. the word deceased you know, across the. page and I had to go from shifting. mentally from you know, birthday parties. um. you know, without her mom to picking out. tombstones to you know, trying to see if. I could get the right an amount of pink. that Anna would like for her to wear and.

putting all the outfits that Anna saved. on her for all these years and you know, when she was going through her career in. modeling and grabbing stuff from. different countries and making sure she. wore every one of them and um trying to. figure out like, you know, be the. bumbling dad and work my way through. things like girl issues that a mom would. talk to the girl about and and things. where I kind of felt um inadequate, you. know, and but I tried my best on um how. can you do. how can you do this? Pay, you know, tribute and give her a.

life that. you know, Anna would have wanted her. have, but give her also opportunities. that Anna didn't have. Yeah. >> And to give her a foundation and a core. and try to be you know, we're not. perfect. My I have same issues that. Anna's. family some issues that, you know, my. family in different ways and you know, it's like all families have issues and. it's not I'm not pretending that we're. perfect in any ways. And I know Anna had. challenges. I just try my best to see if. I can I can raise the bar a little bit.

Yeah. >> Yeah. I think you've raised the bar. What What is What is dating like for you. cuz you've never been photographed with. like another woman since. >> So. like pretty much dry. Like I don't want to sound like Anna go, I haven't had sex in 2 years. But I feel. like that is like that's your choice. because you're so shy. Well, I mean, here's the thing. I The shortest version. of this is is that when I got. Dannielynn, I went straight into.

Dannielynn. I spent the first 5 years in. disbelief that I went through what I. went through. Yeah. >> And it wasn't like I waited and sat. there and waited and was counting the. days. I looked up and 5 years passed. Then I looked up and 10 years passed. Yeah. And then I look back and look, there's things that's messed with my. head. There's some like probably that a. therapist would probably have to figure. out as far as what I went through and. what um you know, the the things like, you know, don't. fall in love again echo in my head, you.

know, that she said. Not that I'm like. sitting around and I think because of. that but to answer your question, like. there's been some dates. There's there's. not been a lot. There's I I've gone from. from tragedy to tragedy to tragedy. After, you know, I 6 months after I got. Dannielynn, my dad passed away. Then, you know, I had my mom's health issue. She lost a lung that I had to help nurse. her back to health. Then my nephew came. to live with me. His father passed away. So I really had kind of two kids. Then, you know, I go from that and my sister. died and I had an aunt die and I had So. I like I've gone I've had houses burn.

down that I flipped and I've got, you. know, I go from one thing and as soon as. I get a little peace, Right. something. else happens. So I'm just waiting. honestly a lot of times for something. the shoe to drop or something to happen. But I haven't dedicated a lot of time to. that and I think to be honest when uh. now that Daniel is in college, Yeah, what does dad do now? Well, honestly. >> Empty nester. It it it and. I think that's when it to me it started. um when I when she went to college the. first day,

I was like, "Oh [ __ ] what what I knew. that I. I felt good that I sacrificed and I did. what I did for her, but I felt like um. a. a part of me. kind of died that day when Anna died. Like I feel like that I. And I don't mean that in a weird way cuz. I think a lot of people that a lot of. people get it cuz a lot of people have. lost people and they love people. What. people don't understand and there's the. the biggest problem that I have with. some of the things that the haters and.

you do a great job of dealing with. haters. Probably should get some tips. Not that you have a lot of haters, but. I'm saying you know how to put them. >> I do. I got enough. You know how to put. them in their place. But like I you. know, I I try not to read crap, but but. I you know, I the other day um it was. the 19th anniversary of Anna's passing. and I was literally sick as a dog and I. was like, you know, I didn't feel great. The fans are always going, "What are you. going to do that you know what?" And. sometimes you don't want to feel like. you're on somebody else's schedule to. grieve a certain way or whatever. But I. have this other tightrope thing of way.

of. trying to make sure Anna's legacy lives. on, you know, and and her fans feel like. that she's been remember you know, remember properly. But I was laying in. bed and um. I was I just woke up and um. I turned on television and The Naked Gun. was on with Anna in it. And it was like, is this a sign, you. know? And I'm like, and I and I go, wow, and I. thought, okay, this is. This is how I'm remembering her like in. my own way. I I I did post something and.

I posted, you know, like the picture. like. I took a screenshot of the TV and I was. like, this is like a cool sign that. happened today. I said something I tried. to be vague with. um not vague, but like I don't want to. people to think I'm trying to sell them. on something about Anna. You know, like. it's like cuz it's really none of their. business, but I do want to make sure. that people know I remember her, you. know. >> Right. And you but you also want to make. sure that it doesn't get made into a. headline, too. And but the thing is is. like I had some like a hater say, you. know, what's this BS? I'm glad your daughter.

didn't stick around. hasn't seen this bimbo's crap about. Anna. Like I'm like and then I look at. this person, who is this person? And it. said to follow back, like they're. following me. You're saying that and by. the way, you're in your bio it says. you're a Christian. I'm like Yeah. You. know, it's like. you know, so I but I think those are my. favorite. But I I do I have a ton of. people that are like positive and. support, but the people that are. negative are negative because I think. not all of them they you're entitled to. your own opinion. But a lot of people. because of the way that it went down.

with the mystery of the paternity, they. think that I got lucky off a one-night. stand and hit a DNA lottery out of all. those seven guys and the Prince von all. whatever his name is. So, they think why in the world do you. have any authority to speak about, you. know, Anna Nicole and who do you think. you are because, you know, that's kind. of like what are you obsessed with it? And what I'm saying is like look, I. don't mind talking in this venue about. Anna Nicole. I'm. we like I said, we we barely do any. press. We stay we do the Derby. We I. have never heard half of the stuff that.

you talked about today on the podcast. Like I you have been such a vault when. it comes to discussions about her that I. feel so blessed that you even came here. and did this interview. So, I mean, for. anybody to think that. after listening to this entire story. from you, to think that you have any. obsession, you have every right to be. obsessed with the mother of your child. >> Yeah, I mean, I grieve and I I I grieve. and maybe my grief is longer than most. people. I don't know. I'm not sitting. around every day going, "Oh my god, I'm. obsessed." or whatever. But, your heart.

a piece of your heart is missing. >> Yeah, and and and that's okay. I mean, I. I I know I'm going to be okay. I think. that my job, you know, was to get my. daughter to a point where, you know, she's an adult now. She is and and. you know, and she can make her own. decisions and things. I think people. think because I see her one time a year, there's. the positive is like, "Oh my god, we. love this. We love this." and you know, but then there's the other side is like, "Oh my god, she's you're making her look. like her mom." or like because she wore.

this last year, she wore the same dress. that her mom wore to the Barnstable. party when she in 2004 where she met me. So, Right. And then people went crazy. about it. And I'm not going to say I. didn't know that people wouldn't, but I. had. you know, I took her shopping and she. had all these options and I said, "What. do you want to wear? Just let's get this. over with cuz I got Here's the You're. like a typical dad. >> to. and she picked that dress, you know. And. so, um. that is that to me.

was such a full circle moment in life. where I had taken and and spent I spent. hundreds of thousands of dollars like. storing all this stuff that she had. It's like all this stuff. And that was. my next question. How did you get all of. this stuff? Did they give it to you or. So, after. Anna died, >> Mhm. and we um first went out to. California when Dannielynn was in. preschool before I moved back to. Kentucky, we actually were living in. Anna's old house for a little bit.

And. once paternity was established, Howard. and I. I mean, he he was basically here's the. keys to the house, here's this, whatever. And. you know, it was almost like somebody. said. It was I felt like in my mind that I was. kept away from Anna. Whether that's whether that's my. perception or not. You know, and I felt. like I was fighting for my daughter. And I remember.

the feeling of people basically saying. here, now clean this basically clean. this up. I literally was cleaning her. house up. I was like taking stuff out so. we could actually move in. I was. throwing putting all the stuff in. storage bins and cataloging and um. you know. I took one load to the dump and there. was. going off in the back and. You could have sold those. You know how much money you would have. got for an Anna Nicole bildo? I'm telling you. But I mean like. literally like I literally was the. cleanup man and then I became the.

historian and the curator and then I. became this and some people enjoy that. A lot of people, the fans, you know, I. tried to do whatever I can. I think that. they're still waiting for me to reopen. her store and things. I wanted. I wanted to wait until Dannielynn got. old enough. Yeah. Cuz I don't want to. profit off I wanted her to say this is a. brand that I want my mom's, you know, fans to have and I feel like she's. starting to pick out pictures and. photographs and this would be cute or. you know, that's chopped or that's not. good or that's great or you don't know. what you're talking about dad, let's.

pick this. So we're starting to go. through that and she's starting to um go. through and embrace like her mom's. legacy. Yeah, that's that was another. question I wanted to ask is how does. what is her perception of her mother and. how does she feel about her mom? The thing about it is is people all the. time worry about or. talk or discuss or concern about like. what. Dannielynn thinks and. she. I'm sure there's a hole there like we. you know, we.

I let her talk about it on her own. terms, you know, and. um. what she does do is she appreciates the. current. um. appreciation for her mom through, you. know, TikTok and you know, she'll come. to me and say, "Look, Dad, they're. saying. she got actually of all things. ironically she calls her mother. dearest." No. But um which was not a. great term from Anna to her mom because. it was a use in a way, but she says. mother dearest is on, you know, TikTok. again and look what they're saying her.

face card never declines or you know, like her you know, look at this she. slayed this or that or you know, there. was. you know, she's been mentioned in pop. culture in different ways. There's a. Nicki Minaj rap song and there was like. a you know, a uh. I think somebody recreated um the Anna. Nicole and the oil man wedding thing for. an album and different things she sees. that come on and we'll we'll be flipping. channels and um you know, movies or. shows. She has not really seen the. reality show um. too much. >> Right.

But there are times when um. you know, I've went through the archives. and looking through videos and. um. like her mom will come on and. um. there was one actual um. set of videos that um. that. she was in the of all places the Bahamas. and it was like something that she did. that was probably not the best project. for her career. But it was back in the. days where where they were let's call it. Cinemax was called Skinemax Cinemax,

yeah. Oh, yeah. So like you know, and. there's like the premise is five lovely. ladies and Anna Nicole on the beaches of. the Bahamas, you know, and you know, your shirt tops are going to fly off or. whatever. So I actually um. I bought the rights to a lot of the. um. video that hasn't been seen that's. behind the scenes stuff and there were. stuff that I wanted her to have and and. uh. she uh. she's kind of the point where she. doesn't watch the stuff and she doesn't. not for any reason. If it's organic, you.

know, she will. But this night she came. down from her bedroom and I'm like I. just got the package in the mail and I. was looking through all of the tapes. She's like, "Oh my god, there's porn on. the TV. There's porn." I was like, "No, that's not porn. That's your mom." And. she just has her top off and it's like. So it's like, you know, we have those. kind of funny moments, you know. Or. she'll like she'll throw a zinger. She's. really funny and she'll throw a zinger. at me and I'm like. I I tell her stories about when she was. little and I'm like, "Well, you know, when you were born. um you know, this is and this happened.". And and she goes, "What are you talking. about? You weren't even there." You.

know, so she lets me have it and puts me. in my place. And so and and that was the. thing I was going to tell you earlier a. crazy thing and I might have segued off, but um. you know. when. Dannielynn was born. I didn't get the delivery room. I didn't get that moment that the dads. get. Yeah. I I I um I had to watch. Dannielynn being born on Entertainment. Tonight. along with the rest of the world. Yeah. You know, and and I don't have all the.

pictures that I've taken like, you know, Tina Turner and all these big people. the one picture that eludes me is a. family photo of me and Anna and my. daughter together. And that's painful. that I don't have that moment from a. visual standpoint in my mind. I can see. it in my mind. >> Yeah. And I can picture it clearly and. but I just don't I don't have it and I. might never, you know, never have it, but. um. so I've spent my time kind of going. overboard making up for the fact that. Dan- Dannielynn doesn't have a mom. And.

so I do I try to do as much as I can. every day and put all my energy into. everything and hope that I just that one. day that she can say you know, that she. appreciates what I've done and and um. but we've had to have some more recent. conversations where. things have been twisted to or adjusted. to um age-appropriate conversations that. um. some of the things that were happening. behind the scenes when she was born and. she starts um Danilyn's starting to be. very opinionated about what she thinks.

about. different people doing different things. and things. And so, um to your point earlier, when people. ask what does she think about, you know, her mom and stuff, um obviously there's. that void that's, you know, that's there. and that you can only know if you're in. that particular situation. Um she. appreciates her mom. She She loves the. fact that people love her mom. Um. but I'll say um. when I go through things for her, like. things that are archives or whatever,

like clothes and different things, she. is so such a sweet kid, now now an. adult, but she is more worried about. what how it impacts me. Aw. Like, you. know? >> She She inherited your sweetness and. your empathy. And she thinks that like, you know, um. you know, that. um. it it it's. she's like, you know, I didn't know my I. didn't know my mom, you know, I I.

that makes her sad, I'm sure, you know, we talked about it, but um. but she her heart hurts more for me than. than you would think from her being the. victim of something that was more, you. know, her mother and because she knew. that I knew her and that I really in. real time went through that, lived it. and suffered that loss. And that doesn't. take anything away from I'm not trying. to like trump her No, no, no, no, but. you're the father that raised her. You're the only parent she knows. You. know, Anna is a figment, uh you know, it's a part of her reality, it's her.

mother, DNA, but she's never. got to. >> truly, you know, I I will say this about. her, um she's truly her own person. Like, you know, she might have worn her. mom's dress and somebody might have. styled her hair like her mom or whatever. for one day. Um. but she's like kind of goth girl. She's. got. >> Yeah, I saw that when she came up here. >> Her hair is super short and his hair has. never been like that, but the press will. actually do what they'll do is they'll. if her hair looks different and they. need a headline,

they will try to find some picture or if. it's not that, then they'll move down to. the dress. We'll find Anna in a purple. dress, spitting image. And she gets kind of tired of that, to. be honest. >> Yeah. And and people might will say, well, you know, how can you get tired of. it if you wore your mom's dress? That's. her right. That's her privilege. >> freaking mom. >> still uniquely her own person and she. has her own interest and she's not. really um. she is such a kind, sweet, you know, kid. that I think that I I feel like that of.

all the things I've done in life, I feel. like I got that right. I didn't know. that it's going to be the way it was, but I feel like that um. it it's one of the things it's the. happiest thing of the whole story to see. that she is in my mind that she's uh. flourishing and. um you know, on her way to do great. things. What are those things are, you. know, I don't know, but um. I know she'll do big things. You got to. be her angel, too. Well, that's a big job, right? Right now I'm. chauffeur, I'm this or whatever she.

wants me to do, you know. But I I I I I'm here for her. I I want, you know, the best things for her. I um. I I just. you know, I'm clear that um to her it's. important. that she knows that. of all the things that she's heard out. there, um. that I fought for her. And I I I um I. didn't fight her mom to take her from. her. I fought for her after everything. was falling apart. >> to be in her life.

>> Yeah. Yeah. And and I and I hope that. she appreciates it. I told Anna when she. was. um alive, I said, you know, I don't know that she she didn't make it. around to see this day, I said, you. think now I'm fighting you. and you think this is bad, but Anna, you know how this feels. You've been on this other side. You You. didn't really have a relationship with. your dad. You will appreciate one day. that I fought to be a part of my. daughter's life and that I didn't just. walk away. And and I think most people.

run from obligations. People thought I. was running towards one for a payday. You know, and my daughter still to this. day, she never got any of the money her. mom's the money that her um. that she was fighting for, the oil man's. money. She never got one cent of it. Right. You know, I didn't drop her off. at somebody's doorstep and say, "Oh, [ __ ] You know, there's no money, so. we're But out of that fake headlines, the $88 million baby that I had you. know, all this stuff that created. security risk for us over the years and. different things that made us maneuver. different and led to a different.

lifestyle than my brother had with his. kids. So we go places at different times. or you have to get security or you have. to you know, call the police cuz you got. some kind of crazy letter or request. Yeah. it it's been a challenge to. maneuver and and to do things, but I. think we've made the go of it and I. think we've you know, done a good job. and I think I'm most proud of the fact. that my daughter has been resilient and. been brave and proud to like, you know, face, you know, unwanted criticism, unneeded and and to also put on a uh a.

smile and say, "This is who my mom was, you know?" And um. you know, and remind me every day how. chopped I'm looking and how bad I am and. and what I you know, crazy daddy. So I. you know, it at the end of the day I I. think if um. if I did one thing right, I think that. I'm proud of her. Well, I'm proud of. you, too. And I'm proud of you for. sitting down here for How long is this. podcast been? 4 hours? 4-hour podcast. No, we'll we'll make it. into two parts. Don't even worry about.

it. I'm so proud of you for opening up. and I know that you know, reliving this. stuff is not easy, but I mean, I could. just sit here and listen to you talk all. day. >> That's the thing, there's so much like. people don't understand like I try to. explain to them and when they think they. know the real story, it's like you don't. we we've sit here for 4 hours and you. like a fraction of it. >> Yeah, oh no, I could only imagine. I'm. going to have to bring you back. You're. going to You're making a documentary, right? Hopefully. Well, there's there's. things in the works. Um. there's a lot of different projects. There's some things planned for um.

I don't make it like a special like a. celebration, but you know, Anna at the. 20th anniversary of Anna's passing's. coming up. So, we've got some things. working in that direction. Um. My goal is to put out something that's. truthful, that's a leg a true legacy. piece that I was promised, you know, and. that this will actually um. the good, bad, and everything. Like put. it on the table and say this is who Anna. was and stuff. And so, there's some. things coming up that I can come back. and talk to you about, you know, again, but uh Come back anytime. I'm dying.

>> Thanks for having me and. >> No, thank you for being here. Why don't. you shout out your social media so. people can follow you? Okay, so my my. Instagram is @larryandannalynn. and there's a caveat there that people's. like why doesn't she have her own social. media, you know, so. >> Yeah. she has her own social media. I. don't even know if I even know it or. follow her. I let her have that to. herself, you know. >> Yeah, give her some anonymity and. privacy. >> and she didn't want to people to judge. what she put down and all that stuff and. Our daughter has a we call it a Finsta. So, she has her own little Finsta that,

you know, nobody else is allowed on. Yeah, I don't even know it. Like so, people say what happened was that name. for Instagram was born out of someone. parked my name and then they parked her. name and they parked they did a website. and someone registered a clothing line. for her. All this crap that happened. So, I was like let me just pick this. So, people think that it's our joint. thing and it's not. It's really and I. don't post much, but I I post like proud. dad moments and I post if you know, there's something to say, but um yeah, that's the social media which I'm really. bad at and she reminds me. She's like. dad, you're hashtagging too much. You're.

doing this. Nobody does that. No what. So, I try to stay off of it cuz I don't. want to embarrass her, but I uh. Yeah, that's that's how you find me. Well, come back anytime. >> Thank you so much. >> is always open for you. Thank you. Thank. you guys for tuning in to another. episode of Dumb Blonde. I will see you. guys next week. Bye.