Kristin Cavallari | Dumb Blonde Podcast

Bunny XO. >> She's a Vegas girl. >> Bunny XO blonde podcast and Bunny X. >> Talk to me about. two of the coolest kids. Is this thing on? Hi babies. Welcome. back to another episode of Dumb Blonde. My girl Kristen Cavaleri is in the.

house, baby. >> Hi. I'm so excited to be here. >> Dude, I am so stoked to have you here. This has been a long time coming. >> I know. We've been talking about this. for I mean months. Months. >> Maybe it might even be a year. >> That's what I was going to say. It might. be. Yeah. So, yay. So happy it's finally. happening. >> Dude, you are an icon in your own right, dude. You have been around forever. And. I don't think like I don't feel like the. new Tik Tok people really know like your. whole lore. >> I love you. you have like a lore to you. and it's like people are just like, "Oh,

Kristen Cavaleri just came on the. scene." I've seen comments like that and. I'm like and they're like, "Who is she?". And I'm like, "How do you guys not know. who Kristen is?" People comment, "Who. are you?" It's like, "You're the one. commenting on my page. Get out of here.". >> I'm the one who's going viral. Who the. are you? You know, >> it's so funny. Tik Tok is its own thing. I just did a voice over to myself from. Laguna Beach and people thought it was. like a re like in real time like I was. just doing it. And some people obviously. get it, but Tik Tok is it's yeah, it's a. is it a younger generation? I I not on.

my FYP, but I I feel like there's so. many people that do use Tik Tok that. it's like the age group is just so vast. over there. >> Well, I don't know what for you pages. I'm falling on, but it's like it's such. a mixed bag. It's either like Laguna. Beach fans who have known me for 20. years, you know, or these people are. like, "Who the [ __ ] is this chick?". [laughter]. >> So, yeah, I get I get all kinds of. comments. Well, let's get them familiar. with you because I have an entire. interview planned out for you because I. there's just you have so much. So, it's.

like I just want to cover everything and. I hopefully in this interview people and. podcast people will be able to get to. get a sense and a feel for you of like. everything that you've accomplished. before you, you know, became on TikTok. and was on very cavalary and all that. stuff. So, >> all right. I love it. So, let's take. [laughter]. >> Yeah, let's take it in. Let's take it. back to the hills because that's where I. fell in love with you. you had like this. huge personality and you didn't take. anybody's and I was like who is this. woman? How did that all come about? Because was it like a bunch of rich kids.

whose parents like sent them to casting. agents or like how did this even come. about? >> Okay, so Lagouna Beach or The Hills? >> The Hills. >> The Hills The Hills was first, right? >> No. So Lagouna Beach was first. >> Okay. Lagouna Beach. >> Okay. So Laguna Beach. So I mean. literally it fell into my lap. I was. going to high school. We all were just. going to school and MTV showed up one. day and did an open casting call. And. how they were able to come to the school. was the school initially was on board. with it. MTV was paying the school. So. they found all of us and then of course. the parents freaked out and they were.

like there's no way we can have cameras. in these classrooms. So MTV was like. that's fine. We already found our cast. So what we would do is we would just. film on the weekends. But it was right. place, right time. It fell into my lap. and it completely changed my life. >> That's insanity. Um, so you grew up in. Laguna Beach or did you grow up in some. like. >> So I grew up all over. So a lot of. people think I'm from Lagona, but I. didn't move to Lagona until I was a. freshman in high school. So I was born. in Colorado. >> Oh wow. >> Moved to Connecticut, moved back to. Colorado. My parents got a divorce. I.

moved to a suburb of Chicago and then I. was getting into a lot of trouble and so. I ended up moving in with my dad my. freshman year of high school to Lagona. >> What kind of trouble were we getting. into? >> Well, Bunny, um, >> cuz I I need to hear this. [laughter]. makes me feel better about my childhood. >> What's so funny is for so long I was. kind of ashamed of my childhood and then. like my partying ways and stuff and now. I just fully embrace it, you know? >> You have to. That's that's what made you. the woman you are today. >> Exactly. Um but so I started smoking pot. in eighth grade. I started drinking. I. was sneaking out.

>> Eighth grade. Yeah. I was young. And so. and my boyfriend Johnny at the time. lived close and he would drive his golf. cart over to my house and pick me up and. we would just I mean just animals. I've. got taken home by the cops in 8th grade. It's like all your typical stuff. >> Who introduced you to drugs and that. scene so early? Was it just like. ditching school, partying, like. >> ditching school and just friends? Yeah. You know, it just I think I was sort of. drawn to that group of kids. Um because.

I had a lot of trauma. >> and so you know, my escape was to start. drinking and doing drugs and the only. way I found a connection was with my. boyfriend. and I didn't have a. connection at home and so that was where. I found it was with my boyfriend and. through all of my friends. >> When you when you talk about the trauma, can we touch base on that? Like was it. just a rough. >> relationship with the parents? >> It so my dad is a narcissist. Typical. narcissist. >> So is mine. I'm just dealing with my dad. today actually and he died in May.

>> Oh, really? >> Yeah. No, I it's having a narcissistic. father is so it just it's you can't. explain it unless you've gone through it. or somebody can relate to it. >> cuz there's so many layers to it. So. complicated. >> It's disgusting. >> It really is disgusting. I actually cut. my dad out of my life a couple years. ago. >> U which is the best thing I've ever done. quite honestly. I feel like it was the. last thing I needed to do in my healing. journey. >> And there was a period where I was like. >> I felt like am I going to have bad karma.

if I cut him out of my life? and am I. going to have to like come back in. another lifetime and have to like do, you know, work through all the same [ __ ]. again? And I actually had a medium say. to me. She was like, "No, actually that. was like what you came to do in this. lifetime was to be able to stand up for. yourself and set boundaries and cut him. out of your life." I was like, "Oh my. god, >> okay." That made me feel so much better. [laughter] Yeah. Just validated. everything. But anyways, so so I had a. narcissistic dad growing up and then. >> parents divorce, step families, some. sexual trauma with a couple different.

guys in my life and just, you know, just. like one thing after another. >> Um, >> and so yeah, it was just looking for any. kind of any kind of connection, an. outlet as well. So that was why I kind. of, you know, went down the path that I. did. >> Yeah. They say that children who are. born Capricorns um normally have issues. with the mom. So for [clears throat] you. to have issues with your I wonder what. your moon sign is. >> Well, okay. I don't know which one is. moon and which one is uh what's the.

other one? There's. >> Venus. There's Venus. There's. >> So I'm Cancer and Aries, but I don't. know which one is which. >> I could see you being an Aries moon cuz. I'm an Aries moon also. So you might. have I don't know. We'll do your chart. I'll I'll have to I'll get I'll get your. number and we'll we'll or we can do it. on the podcast. I don't even care. >> I love it. >> Do you Mimi, do you know how to look up. the birth charts? >> Yeah. Will you look it up? >> Oh, fun. >> Just give um. >> the time you were born and where you. were born. >> I was born and I was born at I think. the fact that I know that I was a an AM.

baby and I I can I'm a night owl. >> Oh, really? >> I [laughter] can Isn't that crazy? Like. I came in the world. And you will never. catch me up at 6:30 a.m. Ever. >> Hilarious. [laughter]. >> Ever, dude. While she's looking that up, we'll continue. But isn't it crazy. though that like. >> so much happens in your early life and. it's like you you don't know how to deal. with it and you carry it so deeply so it. comes out in other ways which was of. course for you was the partying and. stuff like that.

>> Yeah. [clears throat] I know. I think. everyone is the way they are because of. their childhood. This is like my. favorite conversation. Yeah. You know, because I just think and I think a lot. of people, they don't take the time to. actually look inward and really work. through their trauma and figure out why. they are the way they are. >> Yes. >> And I feel like that's been my whole. [ __ ] life basically is like having to. like figure it out, >> breaking generational causes, literally. That's me, too. Same. >> It's finally I'm about to turn 38 and I. finally feel like I'm in a good place. with everything and have a good handle. on it. You know, >> I'm so glad you got a hold of it early.

because I didn't want to start dealing. with my till I hit 40. And when I tell. you I hit 40 years old, I had the most. crazy depression like it like it's like. you can be so strong your entire life. and then it's that one day that you just. wake up and everything hits you like a. brick wall. >> So the fact that you have gotten ahead. of it is just amazing. I'm so proud of. you for doing that. >> Yes. I mean, I've always said I feel. like the first the [clears throat] first. half of my life was just like thing. after thing, just like it was just a. lot. And now I'm hoping that I'm setting.

the second half second half of my life. up to just be [ __ ] chill, >> just [laughter] like relax and be able. to just enjoy my life. >> Do you think all that trauma that you. had was why you were so fierce on. Lagouna Beach in the Hills? I think it. definitely played a role and I think. always being the new girl and moving. around constantly, I was able to be put. in any situation and it was like sink or. swim and I figured out how to survive, you know, and how to make the most of.

it. So, I think I naturally sort of had. this tough exterior, this like take no. [ __ ] attitude, but I also was able to. figure out any situation you could put. me in. [clears throat] So, I think the. combination Yeah. is what made me this. like, you know, [ __ ] firecracker. >> I love that though. And that's what you. were known for and that's literally why. people fell in love with you because you. know back then we didn't have a lot of. like strong personalities like that on. TV. >> Well, I got a lot of hate for it at the. time and now it's interesting because. people are like wait a minute maybe.

Christian wasn't [laughter] the villain. [ __ ] 20 years later I'll take it. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I you know and I'm I. don't want to talk about her but it. Lauren always rubbed me the wrong way. and I was just like I don't know like it. just seems a little too manufactured. Like it just didn't seem real to me. But. you always came across as authentic. [clears throat]. >> Thank you. >> Do you feel like because you were always. the, you know, fierce one and the one to. speak up and the one to fight back, do. you feel like people didn't really get a. sense of who you really were because of. that? >> 100%. And I think that was the thing.

Lagouna Beach showed one side of my. personality. And I mean, you know, we're. all we have so many different sides to. our personality. And so, you know, people cuz I do have a very soft side, too. And of course, as I've gotten older. and became a mom and everything, I've. really honed in on that. But even back. then, I mean, I did as well. And I still. have that that, you know, take no [ __ ]. side to me. But, um, when that's the. only thing they're showing. Yes. I mean, you can't really get to know someone. And it's interesting because Stephen and.

I actually did a Back to the Beach. podcast. So, it was a re-watch podcast. and we went back and it was the first. time I had seen it and since it aired. >> And at the time, I remember being like, MTV [ __ ] with me. so hard and I. thought it was unfair. And then going. back and re-watching it. >> and talking to everybody, I was like, "Oh no, they [ __ ] with everyone." Like. they did what they did to me, they did. to every single cast member. Even, you. know, Lauren, they only showed one side. of her personality, too. Steven the same. thing. And so I I walked away from that.

being like it just it was what it was. And I was so mad about it for so long, but it was a nice way to kind of like. wrap that up and be like, it wasn't just. me. I wasn't the victim in that. situation. Like it happened to us all. A. that's that's actually a really cool. perspective though because most people. would internalize that and be like I was. picked on and victimized themselves and. you were like no actually they did it to. everybody. So you guys didn't have any. control of what was getting put out. there. >> Nothing. >> Nothing. >> I feel like reality TV back in the day. did that to everybody. Like you signed. your life and rights away as a human and.

what they wanted to present you as was. what you were going to be known as. >> Yep. I know. because you know it was one. of the first reality shows so we didn't. know what we were signing up for right. and you know even things like they would. have us just record wild lines just. lines and they could splice them in. wherever they wanted. >> and so in a sense I mean we kind of had. an idea of what they were doing cuz. we're like well obviously I didn't say. this but you're having me say it on into. a microphone so you're clearly going to. use it somewhere so we knew that they. were manipulating it to a degree but.

until we actually saw it we had no idea. what was going on. >> and you guys were kids. >> I was 17. >> Did you guys as parents have any say so. in any of that? >> Um, yeah, our parents had to sign off on. it. My mom had a lot of reservations, but I wasn't living with her at the. time, so it kind of didn't matter. My. dad was on board with it. So, yeah, I. know. >> Ah, but you know what? Look at where you. are now. >> No, it's all good. It's all good. Yeah. I'm happy. I'm happy my mom didn't stop. it, you know. But it was it was hard to. deal with at that age just because it's.

hard enough being a teenager, you know, and then having your lives being. manipulated when it's your real. boyfriend, your real friend. It just. gets really just really messy quite. honestly. So. >> So was it how real was it though? Because you know, reality TV back then. wasn't quite real. Didn't they give you. guys plots and like or was it. >> Yeah, it was genuine. Well, so Lagouna. Beach was more put us in situations and. then kind of see what happens knowing. that a particular situation is going to. probably press my buttons or,

>> you know, this is not the group of. people I would normally hang out with. kind of a thing. Um, let's have. Kristen's boyfriend go up to this other. girl's house even though they're dating. And so situations that they know is. going to piss us off, >> right? >> But um, I don't think any show is 100%. real. I think it's impossible to have a. show, >> even if you have cameras on you 247, like Jersey Shore for example, they. still have to edit it down into a 42. episode or whatever it is.

>> Yeah. 30 minute episodes for. >> Right. And so there's no way that. something can be 100% real. You just. there's no way to capture all of that. >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> Um we have your birth chart right here. Okay. >> So you are a Capricorn sun. You're an. Aries moon cuz I can see. Oh, you were. right. Yeah. Totally. And you're a. Capricorn rising. So your Mercury is. Capricorn. Wait. Yep. Capricorn. >> Why did I think I had cancer? >> Your Venus is Scorpio. Ooh. So you're a. lover. >> Oh, that makes sense. >> You're a lover, baby. I love that.

Pisces. You got a lot of cap. You have a. Capricorn stellium in you, baby. You. have one. >> Okay. Wow. >> Two. Three. Is that you have three or. four planets in Capricorn? Three planets. in Capricorn. Yeah. So that's a. stellium. >> Wow. >> Yeah. So you're a hardcore cat, baby. >> Yeah. I could have told you that. >> True. [laughter]. >> But I could see the Aries moon in you. cuz I'm an Aries moon too and we're just. so fiery. It's like. >> Yes. Okay. Aries is the fiery. >> Well, and Cap, too. Cap Cap is Earth, but also [clears throat] the Aries part.

of it too is just it it all I'll have to. sit down and explain birth charts to you. cuz I'm super into that. But I just feel. like astrology really tells people like. who they are. It's like it's a love. language. >> Totally. I believe in all this stuff. I. love it. >> Yeah. Do you? I love that. We'll have to. I'll have to start sending you stuff cuz. I'm totally into that. >> So, moving on from The Hills and all. that stuff, are you friends with anybody. still from the cast? >> I mean, I still talk to pretty much. everybody. And the Rewatch podcast kind. of brought us all back together, which. was really fun. And I have my 20-year.

high school reunion coming up in the. fall. And so, I can't I can't wait. [laughter]. >> Are you excited? I'm so excited. >> You're going to be like the hottest one. there going back there. >> I don't know. Everyone in Laguna Beach. still looks really good. There's. something. I'm telling you, the West. Coast girls are just. >> It's true. That's sunshine, baby. I do. think it's good for you. >> I'm from Vegas and we were always in. Cali. Like we Vegas girls and Cali girls. kind of like we all just like we were. always in Vegas cuz it's so easy. We.

would We'd have nights where we're like, "Let's just go to Vegas. [ __ ] it.". >> Half hour flight. >> Oh my god, it's so easy. >> You know how many cod trips I took on a. flight? [laughter]. >> Same. Same, >> bro. Being locked on a plane would drive. out of your mind. Oh, I can't. >> be like that's just [ __ ] dry. >> Three hours. I couldn't do it. Three and. a half hours locked in a car. >> Just Oh, train wreck. Yeah. >> Cracked out of my mind. There's no I've. done it, but there's just I could now I. could never. I. >> could never. No way. No. [laughter] No. I love that,

>> dude. I look back. We just got some. pictures from my best friend who passed. away. Her sister sent me a bunch of. pictures of us and there's one of me in. there that's like meth out. Girl, where. are my eyebrows? >> I know. Well, I was the same way. I had. no eyebrows. I [ __ ] them up forever. now. >> I had to conceive. No, your eyebrows. look [ __ ] good. >> Mine are are too, but yours look like. you have hair. I can't evening grow a. eyebrow back. >> Okay. You know what I'm going to tell. you? Castor oil. Do you ever put castor. oil on them? >> I tried it on my belly button and it. made me feel weird. [laughter] I can't.

>> I put it in my belly button this year. >> I can't do it. It made me feel weird. So, I get scared now. I'm so [laughter]. sensitive. all over my stomach. >> And it works for you. Do you love it? >> Yeah. And I put it on my face, too. >> I tried to do the castor oil thing cuz I. wanted to be like the castor oil. girlies, too. And it just made me I woke. up the next day. I'm such a sensitive. like girly now because of all the I did. in my past. >> So like now I can't It's like I used to. snort eightballs and now I can't even. use castor oil. >> Yeah. It's [laughter]. [ __ ] up.

>> No, it's it's it's dude. Anyways, moving. on from the castor oil packs. How did. you take So you did Laguna Beach, you. did The Hills and then after that, >> did you want to stay in reality TV or. was that more of like your exit out? >> I was like, get me the [ __ ] out. And I. think more than reality TV, just living. in LA and feeling like I was my life. felt really claustrophobic because at. that point I had paparazzi on me every. single day. Yeah. So every time I wanted.

to leave my house, whether it be just. run to Walgreens or whatever, I'd have. to be like, "Fuck, am I going to have to. deal with this?" And, you know, this is. before social media, so the tabloid. world was just ruthless. >> It was so bad back then. >> It was really bad. And I was on the. cover of [ __ ] every magazine, it. seemed like every other week for some. [ __ ] I didn't do or like saying I. need to go to rehab and all this [ __ ] I. just I had sort of hit my wall and I. really wanted out of LA. >> Yeah. It wasn't even so much like it.

wasn't even I wanted to be done with an. entertainment career. I knew I wanted to. be done with reality TV, but it was more. like I got to get the [ __ ] out of LA for. my own sanity. And I actually met my. ex-husband um a month after we wrapped. The Hills. >> Oh, wow. So Jake came in. >> Are we allowed to say his name? >> Yeah. Yeah, we can totally say his name. Um yeah, I met him when I was 23, a. month after we wrapped the hills, and it. just sort of naturally got me out of LA, which was great. A that's how it was. with Jay when I met my Jay was literally. it got me out of Vegas. If I would have. stayed in Vegas, I would have killed.

myself, >> right? That's how I felt like in LA. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I know. It's kind of cool how you. know when you really want something how. the universe just sort of delivers it. when you're ready. >> Absolutely. All you got to do is ask and. the universe will grab it. >> It's true. >> So you meet Jay. How tell take me on that journey with. you guys' relationship. So Jay, a year prior, I got a call from. my publicist and he said that Jay Cutler. wanted to fly me to Chicago and take me. on a date and I didn't know who Jay was. So I Googled him and I was like I mean I.

don't I was like whatever. I don't know. So. >> I didn't know who Jay was till he was on. your show. >> I love you. [laughter]. >> I knew who you were. I didn't know who. Jay was. >> Yeah. So I said no. So okay fine. So, a. year later, I was visiting my mom, who. happened to still live there, and I was. going to a Bears preseason game with my. cousin, who was Bears obsessed. I. totally forgot Jay even asked me out, and my mom brought it up. And my cousin. was like, "What the [ __ ] You're such an. idiot. Jay's the man. You got to go out. with him.". >> So, I ended up getting us family passes.

to meet Jay after the game, thinking it. was going to make my cousin's life. I. would probably never talk to this guy. ever again. And he walked in and I was. like, "Oh [ __ ] he's cuter than I. thought he was going to be." And he. >> when he asked you out, how did he ask. you out? >> Well, it was through my publicist. So, it was never we never had any. interaction. So, he walked in, he was. really cute. He was very smart because. he kind of like won my mom over, was. talking to my mom the whole time. He. drove us to our car and then he texted. me immediately and he was like, uh, something about like, well, you got to.

come back or something. And then I think. I came back like a week later and then. it was like that was it. We moved really. fast. No, I love relationships like that. though that you know granted you know. you guys have gone your separate ways. but I still feel like a moment in time. [clears throat] that moment in time was. what you needed and it was like magical. >> Yeah. And he was he was exactly what I. was looking for at the time. And again I. mean I was 23. I think. >> I was a baby you know like hindsight is. 2020. I don't regret a damn thing.

though. I mean, there's so much good. that came out of our relationship and. ultim not only did I get my kids and it. got me out to Franklin, Tennessee, and. you know, all these great things, but it. forced me to figure out my [ __ ]. >> and grow up and do the work that I. needed to do. And so, I'm really. thankful for that as well. >> What do What would you say was kind of I. don't want to use the word downfall cuz. that's heavy, but what what do you think. was part of the reason for the. relationship unraveling? Um, so, uh, Jay and I always had a tough.

relationship, even from the very. beginning. And. I think, um, I'm really careful about. what I say, obviously, because we have. three kids together. >> Absolutely. >> But I think. >> and we can always cut things out, too. >> Yeah. Um, I just I haven't talked about him in so. many years. I've like I made a vow. I. was like, I'm done talking about him. But I'm happy to talk about it. It's. just I'm trying to think about like the. best way to say it because you know I.

think um. it things were just never good and. we tried really hard. I will say like we. really did everything that we could and. ultimately I had to make a decision of. taking care of myself and putting myself. first. And especially as a mom and. having these three little kids, I really. wanted my kids to see me happy and see. that I was making myself a priority and.

taking care of myself. Um, especially. now having a daughter, too. I think. that's so important. >> It is so important because I feel like. when parents stay together and they're. miserable, I that causes more drama for. the kids. >> 1,000%. >> Than just seeing healthy co-parenting. [clears throat]. >> Yeah. Yeah. Because what you're teaching. your kids then is a stay in something. because you're [ __ ] miserable and b. they have no idea now what a healthy. relationship looks like. And it just if. you can't be your best self that. obviously trickles down to your kids and.

you take out your hurt and your sadness. on your kids. It's just a such a. negative toxic environment. >> Yes. And you know, as soon as I got out. of my marriage, um I remember even my. mom saying to me like [ __ ] I had no. idea how bad it was, but like I was a. shell of who I was and immediately I got. my spark back. And. >> that I love that for you. >> When you say that it was bad, was it. just polar opposites or was it arguing? Like what was it that was so bad? >> It was It was just It was toxic, you.

know? And I think because I hadn't done. the work with on myself and. >> you were a baby, too. >> I was a [ __ ] baby. I didn't know any. better. >> How old was he when you guys got. together? >> He was um. >> I think he had I think he was 28. 27 or. 28. >> Okay. So, you guys were both young. >> We were both young. >> That's young love. I feel like the first. like the first love or the first young. love like that where you get married or. something like is like toxic, you know? You guys don't know how to navigate. life. I know how I was a 23. I'm sorry.

to anybody whose paths had to cross with. mine in that era of my life because I. was just a [ __ ] show. >> Like, you shouldn't be allowed to get. married before age 30. Quite honestly, literally, you shouldn't be allowed to. the [ __ ] you are at that age, >> bro. I swear. I 100% agree. >> I know it. But yeah, but so I the thing. is I was repeating a pattern with my. dad, you know, and because I hadn't done. the work on my relationship with my dad, that's what you do, you know. I ended up. marrying my dad and so it really forced.

me then to work through my [ __ ] which is. which is what I did. So when we got a. divorce for the last almost 5 years. quite honestly it's I've really taken. the time to like get my [ __ ] together so. that I don't then make the same mistake. >> Yeah. >> I don't want to say mistake. That's not. the right word but I don't want to be. repeating that pattern. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. For sure. They and they do always. say that if unless you do the work, you. will meet the same person, the same. human in different bodies until you. learn that lesson. >> over and over again. >> over and over again. [laughter].

>> So what we saw of Jay on Very Cavaleria. cuz when did Very Cavaleri come into the. picture? Did you start Uncommon James. first? >> I did, but they were pretty close. together. Um Very Cavaleri must have. been 2017, I want to say, or is that. right? Yeah, because we did three. seasons and it ended in 2020. So, yeah. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. 2017. >> How did Uncommon James come about? >> So, I had a shoe line with Chinese. Laundry. Do you remember that brand? That was all my my brand growing up. So,

I had a shoe line with them and I loved. it, but because I was doing shoes with. them, I wanted to do something on my own. and I felt like jewelry was the next. natural step. >> I love accessories. I think they make or. break your outfit. So I um well I had. this fire in me to show everybody that I. knew what I was doing in the branding. world. >> because with Chinese Laundry at the end. of the day while I had final say I. didn't really because it was a whole. team of people. This is a. well-established company. >> and I learned to trust my gut. I I knew.

my customer and so I had this fire in me. of like I'm going to show everyone that. I know what I'm doing in the branding. world. So I launched Uncommon James out. of our house and at the time I was. essentially a stay-at-home mom. like I. did little things. I would host these. big award shows, these pre-shows for E. on the red carpets, but other than that, I was basically a stay-at-home mom. And. so, I just honestly wanted something to. do also. Um, >> and probably set yourself apart from the. reality star. Yes. You know, cuz you've.

grown, you've had a baby by now, you're. married. It's like. >> I wanted my own thing. Yeah. Mhm. >> And so launched it and then I knew cuz. you know I had been offered a million. reality shows obviously like you know. coming off of Laguna Beach in the Hills. I knew I could always fall back on that. if I needed to but I wanted to do a show. similar to Vanderpump Rules and have it. be about Uncommon James. So pitched it. to E and they were like we'll do it if. you're on it more. So, I had to get Jay.

on board then and I had to get one of my. friends on board and then Yeah, we did. it and and I did. >> one of your friends being Kelly. >> Yes. >> Can we Yeah, we can talk about that. Yeah. And she um or so so we we did the. show and honestly the only reason I did. it was for Uncommon James. Best decision. I've ever made for the company. But I. also because I was an executive. producer, I had such a different. experience doing very cavalary and the. producers really looked at me like an. equal. I was involved in every creative.

conversation. I always knew what was. going on and it was that aspect of it. was such an enjoyable experience that it. was a great way for me to end my reality. TV career just with such a positive. taste in my mouth. So I was really. really happy that I ended up doing it. >> That's amazing. So did you actually get. a say so on what was aired? I was able. to get [ __ ] taken out. I was I mean like. Yeah. >> I mean it was juicy. There was a lot of. drama. I watched it. It could have been. [laughter] way better. >> I'm like I don't know. I thought you.

guys did a great job. >> I mean I think I think it could have. been better. I think it could have been. funnier. I wanted it to be like I mean. and there were definitely Jay was very. funny on the show. >> Well, he was he was hit or miss. He was. either really funny or it was like what. is going on with this guy? >> Well, and I mean you should have seen. the [ __ ] that got edited out. There was. one time we were filming and we were. fighting so bad that the camera guys. were like, "Okay, camera's down." Like, "Everyone take a break. >> They can't show that because they wanted. Jay and I to have seemed like we were. perfect, you know, or like had this.

great relationship." Um, >> you could pick up on the tension though. [clears throat] You could feel it. >> I think you could, too. Like now, obviously, we got divorced pretty. quickly thereafter. I think people then. could kind of see the cracks, you know, but they try to do a really good job of. showing us in a very positive light. >> You don't have a good I'm You're You're. I'm the same way. You don't have a good. poker face. if you're pissed. >> I can't [ __ ] man. It's like I got. to be real. >> Yeah. There was a couple times I was. like, "She's pissed at him." Like, you. could feel the energy on cuz I I watched. Barry Cavaler, too. >> Yeah. Well, I the whole time that we. were doing that show I was really.

unhappy. Really unhappy in my marriage. And that was sort of like Well, that was. a distraction probably also. You know, at that point, I was throwing myself. into so much work stuff. >> Yeah. >> That I was It was all a distraction. Do. you feel like the drama from the. [clears throat] show overshadowed the. brand of Uncommon James? >> No, because. what it did for the company was insane. I mean, you can't buy that kind of. marketing overnight. It just catapulted. us to the next level and it just.

>> it set Uncommon James up honestly to. something I never even could have. imagined. And so, and still, I mean, we. continue to grow and and I'm I really do. think it's because of the show. initially. I really do. So, no. >> No, I agree. I couldn't agree more. No, I mean, what is it? What do they say? All news is good news or something like. that. >> All press is good press. >> Yeah, exactly. Like. >> sometimes it's hard to [laughter] hard. to wrap my head around, but yeah, >> we're learning. Yeah, we're learning. that now. We're new into the the the. fame thing. episode. There's a couple. like we go viral for some things that.

we've said in like 2020 and it's like. we're not even we're not even those. people anymore, you know, like let us. grow, let us internet, man, they will. just hold you to who you were at that. moment in time. >> and hold on to everything. >> Yeah. And they like to bring it back and. rerun it and you're just like. >> what is happening? >> God, I know. Like let's see you 5 years. ago what you were doing [laughter]. >> literally. Let's [ __ ] let's shake. those together. >> Yeah, for sure. [gasps] Where do you get. the inspiration for Uncommon James like. for the jewelry and you have clothes.

too, correct? >> So we do we're primarily jewelry and. actually now we have skincare. We've got. merch like we've got t-shirts and [ __ ]. Yeah, but I wouldn't say we do clothing. Um but so for the jewelry it just. depends. I find that whatever's kind of. going on in my life is where I'm pulling. inspiration from. So, I mean, you know, like during co it was like I was doing a. collection about adventure, like when we. could, you know, when the world started. opening up again, like what we would be. doing, like a daydreaming collection. Um, I was in Greece this past summer and. that inspired a whole collection. So, it. just kind of depends on whatever is.

happening in my life. >> I love that. So, it's like just little. glimpses of where you're at in your. life. >> Yeah. >> You'll be able to look back on your. collections and be like, "Okay, I did. this when I was here and, oh, I did this. when I was with this person and like. Yeah. >> Well, and so my daughter is sailor. She. has a collection coming out in I think. it's April, but we designed it last New. Year's actually when we were at the. beach and so like and that's really. sweet and it's all you know this beach. theme and stuff. So yeah, it is it is. kind of like a little scrapbook in a lot. of ways of like yeah what where I was at.

in my life. It is fun. I love that for. you. >> Yeah. >> Moving on to the very cavalary drama. that had happened. You had your best. friend Kelly Henderson on the show and. you guys had been friends for a really. long time. Correct. Yeah, we had known. each other uh well actually we met in. 2010 when Jay and I started dating, but. we didn't become close until a couple. years later, but yes, I mean we. definitely were friends for a while. >> What happened on the show? Was that was. it a storyline or was that really.

unfolding? >> No, that was real. So, so what happened. was um. so I think it was season two uh people. started saying that it seemed like Jay. and Kelly were having an affair, >> right? >> And I actually was completely oblivious. to any any of that. But then I remember. being like, "Wait, what the fuck?" And. like really starting to pay attention to. it. And I was like, I never once thought. that anything was going on. I I stand by. that. I don't I don't think anything. happened. But my issue was how Kelly was.

handling it and adding fuel to the fire. and sort of taking advantage of it for. her own benefit. And I said something to. her and it just blew up in my face. I. mean, I will always stand by the fact. that if a friend came to me and said, "Hey, listen. Here's how your actions. made me feel." I would go, "Holy [ __ ]. that was not my intention. I am so. sorry. Let's talk about this." And this. is relationships, too. But when people. can't take any accountability and turn.

it around and throw it in in your face, like I don't I can't do that. You know. what I'm saying? And. >> um I've had a lot of experience with. that. That's actually like a huge thing. for me moving forward with all of my. friendships, relationships, whatever is. accountability is so [ __ ] huge and. it's really hard for a lot of people. >> Preach it, sister. Clip that, Jason. >> Clip that. [laughter]. >> That's a good one. >> That is a good one. But it's I just I'm. at a point in my life where because. there's no I can't do anything with that.

then, right? Like this is how I feel and. if you can't acknowledge that well then. I don't I can't move on. >> Yeah. >> So um that's basically what happened. >> So the rumors were that they were having. an affair. You never once thought like. this is possibly true. Like where does a. rumor like that come around from? >> Well, it was because of how she was with. him. Um, she definitely uh she was. crossing the line and. and then like the way she would talk. about him on social media, it was just.

it was always adding fuel to it where I. was like, "Wait, what the [ __ ] is. actually going on?" But no, I really I. really don't think anything happened. I. mean, [ __ ] I don't know to be honest. with you. Like, do I know for sure? No. And Jay used to trash her, which I now. sort of think if a guy is trashing a. girl, it's because there's probably. something going on. Um, and I did. >> Did you ever confront him? Like, hey, is. this really. >> Yeah. I mean, he walked, you know, handinhand with me during that whole. thing. But, >> you know, uh, when you're dealing with a.

pathological liar, it's hard to know. [laughter]. >> what the [ __ ] truth is. There are. things from my marriage that I will. never know. Um, and I've just sort of. had to let that go. You know what I. mean? It's I'm I'm over it now. And I. can that's why I can probably talk about. it so freely. But um. >> I think that's such an amazing uh thing. for you to say though that you can talk. about it freely now because there's a. lot of women who have gone through. divorces also that never got the. apologies that they they deserved. Well, and a lot of times you won't. I never.

did and I never will. >> But you have to do it for you. You know. what I mean? You have to forgive them. And because at the end of the day, people who are lying to you or who are. cheating or whatever the situ situation. may be, that's because they're hurt. That's about them. like that has nothing. to do with me. And so when you can get. to that place and almost have empathy. for those people and realize how much. they're struggling like it's it's not. about me. So I I forgive you. >> Kelly. I forgive Jay for anything that.

he did. Like I just anyone in my life, my dad even. I've I have empathy for my. dad because I understand why my dad is. the way he is. I can have empathy and. forgive these people and still not have. them in my life. You know, those two. things can coexist. If Kelly has Kelly. tried to apologize to you. >> No. And in fact, I saw her one time at. the airport and she [ __ ] bolted. I. was like, I could give you a big hug. right now and be like whatever. You. know, like I don't hold grudges, [laughter]. >> but that just tells me she hasn't worked. through it. She's still holding on to. that. So, >> that's that's rough, man. Because it's.

it it also at the same time makes her. look really guilty like of something. like why can't you just face me? Like, I'm not even with this dude anymore. Like 100%. >> never let a man get in between a. friendship type of situ. Girl code. >> Girl code. Like. >> that is like I can't even wrap my head. around that. >> Yeah. >> So [clears throat] you're you are on. this TV show. You know you're doing your. last hur off with reality TV as you said. and then you know all this blows up. Uh.

what happened with Shannon Ford? Are you. guys friends now? >> I've seen her. Yeah. We're we're totally. cool. >> You guys are good now. Okay. cuz. you're going through all of this and. then you are headed for a divorce. You. guys get this divorce. How are you. feeling in that moment? Like, oh, that. was um such a crazy time. I felt so many. different things. >> Yeah. I mean, it was everything from. such a weight being lifted to feeling.

like I could finally breathe to being so. [ __ ] devastated that I that I was. tearing up our family. You know, obviously coming from divorced parents, the last thing I ever wanted was a. divorce. So, and and I won't lie to you, that still will creep up once in a. while. Christmas, I felt that. I got. really sad Christmas Eve cuz I was like, it just sucks that we're not together as. a family. I don't want to be back with. Jay at all, but it's that that family. unit, you know, that bums me out.

sometimes. >> Do you guys think you could ever do a. Christmas together eventually? How are. you guys co-arenting right now? >> Um, it's it's been so up and down. [laughter]. >> Well, not shocking because I mean, we've. seen Jay's behavior. >> Zero [ __ ] consistency, which is. really [laughter] hard. >> Yeah. Oh, you poor baby. >> Yeah, it has not been easy to say the. least. Um, you know, we sat together at. a basketball game earlier in the year. and I was like, holy [ __ ] this is the.

best thing that's [laughter] ever. happened. >> You're like, I'll [ __ ] take it. The. bare minimum. >> Guys, we made it. [laughter] We can sit. next to each other. >> Um, and we haven't sat together since. So, I don't [ __ ] know. >> Jay, come on, baby. >> Let's get it together. >> It's a It's a bumpy road. So, I'm going. to say probably no Christmases together, which is fine. It's And to be honest, that's not even what I want. It's, you. know, it's just. >> um I think when you go through a divorce. and you have kids, like there are those. moments where you're like, it's a bummer.

just cuz you don't want that. But. >> there's also a lot of good of course. that came out of that. And I think even. for my kids, you know, it's going to. make them stronger. Like there's I could. list a thousand things of why it's. positive. >> Um but I do have those moments. But um. >> in that moment uh you know going through. a divorce just wrapping a reality show. like how are you feeling like even. getting back into like the dating scene. or. >> did you for me [laughter]. >> riding a bike? >> We're going to get there baby. We're.

going to get there sister. >> That's a piece of cake. [laughter] Well, you know what it was? I think so. I. actually immediately started dating. someone and then I went from that to. another thing immediately. And so for. the first year, I was like, "Woo, having. fun. I'm free. I'm dating. I'm like. getting my spark back." Like just. [ __ ] loving life, quite honestly. >> And then Jay and I actually went on a. couple dates. >> Um, yeah, we went on a couple dates. trying to see if like. >> cuz man, it's [ __ ] hard. And I think.

unless you've gone through this, especially with a toxic marriage, it's. like it has this hold on you. And until. you can like. >> it's a trauma bond almost. >> It's a [ __ ] trauma bond. And until. you can really break that, >> I would go back a couple times and be. like, but I know it's not right, but. like why am I doing it? But so we did. We went on a couple dates. And then. after I finally, you know, for the 18th. millionth time was like, I can't do. this. Um, then I really did the work. And then it like I had lonely times. I. had sad times. It was really hard for me.

then to meet someone like I dated but I. didn't meet anyone that I liked for a. really long time. >> because you're in the process of healing. and you're just like ew. Like you get. the ick so easy. >> So easy which is a good thing, you know. Um but yeah, then I then I had to. really, you know, get real with myself. and do the healing journey. So it was it. was good. >> What's a wellness like ritual that you. do for yourself like to ground yourself? >> I mean I really do love meditating. Me. too. >> I don't do it as much as I would like.

to, but when I do it, it's [ __ ]. powerful. >> I I just started doing sauna. I just. started sauna. >> Do you meditate in the sauna? >> Yeah, that's my new thing. I just. started doing it. >> It's the best. >> It's the best because you can't take. your phone in there. Like I just set. mine outside and I just kind of like sit. in there for a half hour and just zone. out. Yeah, >> it's the best. >> And you feel so good after you do it. >> I know. Well, they say it literally. changes your vibration. Like it. literally, you know. Yeah. So, I I do. love it. Um, what else do I do? I. actually have these oracle cards, too. I.

like pulling oracle cards. >> I love that for you. Kind of fun. I got. tarot cards, too. I think I'm like a. [ __ ] medium all of a sudden. I'm like. a little gypsy over there. >> Like reading them for all my friends. >> I would let you read my tarot cards. >> I would love to read tarot cards. >> Let's do it. We'll have to do [laughter]. that. Like, I'm coming over for dinner. just so you can read my tarot cards. >> Let's go. >> So, you've written books, you've built. businesses, and you're raising a family. How do you define success? um for. yourself these days? >> I love that question. Success, I think,

is inner peace, quite honestly. Like, period. It's that simple. But I think um. >> there's no there's no uh peace is. priceless. >> That's the thing. And I think you know. what we were talking about earlier like. when your whole life has not been. peaceful, I value it so much. And I've I. feel lucky because I've gotten to a. place where I've been able to sort of. like curate my life to be exactly what I. want. you know, the my podcast that I'm. doing, Uncommon James, everything's on. my terms. I'm my own boss. I can work. when I want to work. My kids are always.

my priority. And if I want to take a. week off and go [ __ ] around, I can. And. that for me is heaven. So, I feel very, very lucky. >> You're like a phoenix that rose after. that, you know, that rises through the. >> Phoenix rising. Yeah. Thanks. That's how. I feel. >> No, I listen girl, you're a warrior and, you know, real recognized, real. I I get. it, man. It's when you go through so. much like just tragedy and andit in the. beginning of your life. All you want now. is peace. Like you can ask my girls. I. don't [ __ ] even want if if it's not.

feeding me or financing me, I don't care. about what the is you got going on. You. want to come to me with some take it. elsewhere. I do not care. >> No time for that. >> Um so you know after the divorce you. said that it was really easy for you to. start [laughter] dating. >> Here we go. I love that little smile on your. [laughter] face cuz you you already know. what's coming, baby. >> I know. Let's go. Let's go. >> Was one of those men happened to be. Morgan?

>> How did I know? [laughter]. >> Because you dropped a bomb and the. entire internet went insane. What was. your It was your friend Justin Anderson. >> Our suspect video. >> Yes. >> Oh god. >> Can we Can we elaborate on this because. you know I And I have to I have to. navigate this. Yeah, you guys know. Morgan. >> I Well, see, here's the thing. I've seen. Morgan numerous times. I've only hugged. him. I've never had a conversation with. him. My husband and him are friends, and. they love My husband is like, "That's my.

Bubba.". >> He's a good Yeah. And he Morgan's a good. guy. I I do. He has a big heart. He. really does. >> He's a play from the Himalayas. >> Thousand%. >> The amount of women that have sat on my. couch that have been with Morgan Wallen. is crazy. >> He's been with every woman on the. [laughter] planet. So that. >> Yes, he should. He's single. He should. He absolutely should. I mean, >> Yeah. Yes, I I definitely hung out with. Morgan. Um. Morgan is he's very sweet. Here's what. I'll tell you is the first date that we. went on. He was a true gentleman and he.

was like, "I'll pick you up. I'll pick. the place." Like just [ __ ] handled. business. He came and picked me up. He. met my kids. My kids were so excited. A. >> It was so cute. We he got us a private. room, you know, he had like his. bodyguard and whatnot and um dropped me. off. He kissed me in the rain and it was. like the sweetest thing. And then we. hung out there after and it was. >> I will say it was a very um that was up. and down too. It was just like it was a.

lot. [laughter]. >> Yeah, >> they always say you'll find the same. person in different bodies. >> So that's true. >> But yeah, I love Morgan. I haven't. talked to him in probably a year. Um but. I I have nothing but good things to say. about him. >> Was he romantic? Um, [laughter]. I've heard he's great in bed. >> He was good in bed. >> Yeah, [laughter]. we got another one to confirm. Another. one has Morgan. You slay, brother. Slay.

All right. And we are in No way. >> Thank you, Morgan. God, >> you know Morgan's going to be hitting up. Jay like, "Can you please tell your wife. to never talk about me on her podcast. again?" [laughter]. >> Only for you, buddy. Only for you. >> I appreciate it. So, but you did say and. I do I we have to bring this up. You did. say that he hurt your feelings. >> Justin said that. Yeah. >> Okay. Justin said that. >> Justin said that. Um Morgan So, okay. God, I'm so sorry, [laughter] Morgan. Um. he didn't hurt my feelings. It I'll be. honest with you. Morgan was the first.

guy in my entire [ __ ] life that. wasn't like just completely enamored. with me. And I was like, "What in the. [ __ ] is going on?" It really threw me. >> Yeah. Cuz you're used to people like. worshiping. >> It is. I'm used to guys being like crazy. where I'm like, "Whatever.". >> Well, it's probably because he has 20. other girlfriends. >> Exactly. Exactly. He was busy. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> And so, um, >> yeah. >> Allegedly. >> Alleg allegedly.

>> Allegedly. But yeah, so it was one of. those things where I was like, why do I. keep going back to this guy when it's. just like. >> it's trying to get the approval of your. father. >> Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. And I love. having the upper hand. And I feel like. with him, I didn't have the upper hand. and I was like, I'm going to [ __ ] get. it. >> Yeah. >> Never did. >> Oh, >> I will say I I walked away from him a. couple times and I was ultimately the. one that ended it, but I never felt like. I like. >> had him, you know, and Yeah. Only time. in my life. So, it really [ __ ] with. me. [laughter]. >> Yeah. Well, he has a reputation for.

being a bad boy if he like lives up to. it. I mean, the dude's throwing chairs. off roofs, you know? >> Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm Listen, I'm glad. that didn't work out. I don't [laughter]. I don't want to be Morgan. I LOVE. MORGAN, BUT I DON'T WANT TO be Morgan. >> I feel like Morgan might be a stepping. stone, you know, for like finding your. true love. He's like the bad boy that. you want to play with, and then you just. you you tuck him away and you put him in. the past when you find the man that you. love. >> Exactly. At the time, quite honestly, I. was like, I kind of just want a [ __ ]. buddy in Nashville. Yeah, that's really.

hard to find here for some reason. And I. wanted to make Morgan that, but it was. just like. >> Yeah, Morgan seems to be the guy that. wants to step up to the plate to be. people's. >> a great buddy. The problem is, honestly, he was on tour. He's so. >> is losing it over here. [laughter] She. knows so many girls that have been with. him, too. >> Even I do, and I'm like, God, >> Morgan has needs a support group. >> No, liter literally. Cuz everyone's. [laughter] heart is broken. I know, Morgan, you're out here breaking. people's hearts, man. >> Morgan, but uh he was so busy, honestly, that it was just like, why the [ __ ] am I.

like what are we doing? This is silly. So, >> yeah, just a stepping stone. >> He's And he was fun. Like, we had a good. time. And so, you know, all good. All. good. >> Jason Stapman. Stath them. Stay. How do. I Jason Stalem? >> Jason Stalem. >> Where? How? That doesn't even seem like. your type. >> Oh my god. When I was [sighs and gasps]. How old was I? I was probably like 21. >> Mhm. >> Um H I loved him. >> Yeah. >> I mean, not really, but I No, he um.

Yeah, we were really good friends. We. >> Is he tiny? >> Um he's smaller than you would think. Like, they all are, though. You know. what I mean? That's my issue with. actors. They're never this like macho. like. >> I feel like I'm bigger than every person. that I've seen on the big screen. Every. time I meet him. And you're tiny. You. are. >> So are you. But no, you are. Listen, I'm. a big bag and I'll take it. [laughter]. I identify as a big bag and listen. >> Hardly. >> They get so mad at me when I say it, but. I'm like, "Bro, I'm a big bag bitch.".

All right. No, stop it. >> No, but these guys, that's the thing. They're never what you want them to be. ever. >> And they wear lifts. >> I know. Yeah. So, >> did Jason wear lifts? >> Uh, no. >> Okay. All right. >> Well, maybe in the movies and [ __ ] I. don't know. [laughter] But yeah, but no. But Jason is a he's a great guy. He's a. lot of fun. Did you guys actually like. date date or was it just. >> a little bit? Yeah, we dated a little. bit. Yeah. Um, no, he was he was great. We had the same group of friends, so we. started out as as friends and then it. just kind of escalated, but yeah. No, I.

nothing but good things to say about. Jason, too. >> How long was it? >> God, I don't even remember. I mean, we. cuz we were friends at first. Um, God, this is so long ago. I would say maybe a. year, but not like hooking up and. dating. Probably a couple months that. that was going on, but. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Let's talk about your because we're. gonna we're gonna hop off your dating. for a second. >> Okay. She's like, I can breathe. [laughter]. >> Let's talk about this beef you have with. the Kardashians.

>> She's like, let's hop out of one frying. pan into another. >> [ __ ] Okay, [laughter] let's go there. >> What is it about that family? Because. I've had numerous people and they. sponsor my podcast. So, >> and I do their ads on my podcast, too. And I'm LIKE OUT THERE TALKING [ __ ]. THEY JUST RENEWED it for 2025. >> I was was asked to. >> If you want me to just keep talking. [ __ ] I will. No problem. >> I love it. So, I love that. You know, you know, I I think it's cool that they. just don't care. They're like, "You know. what? We're going toing just sponsor the. podcast.". >> I know. I know. >> Well, there's a lot of people who have.

sat on my couch that have different. different stories, but the same. scenarios with this family. And it comes. to a point where it's like. >> some of it can't be made up, you know? I. mean, I think the thing is I feel like. we're living in this time right now. where karma is like really playing a. role and people are being held. accountable on a big scale. >> Yes. >> And I'm here for that. I [ __ ] love. that. >> And you know, mine really stems from. >> God. Again, I mean, this is I was.

probably like 22. 21 or 22. And well, I. had known Scott Dick. Same thing. Same. group of friends. We were always. buddies. Boy, you were with Brody. Jenner, weren't you? >> I dated Brody. Brody was my first. boyfriend in LA. So, yeah, it was all. that that group of people. And, uh, Scott and Courtney started dating. That's how I met Courtney. I [ __ ]. loved Courtney. We were really good. friends. >> I could see you guys being like you guys. are kind of like the same person. >> Very similar. Courtney was awesome. And. they broke up. >> and I was doing something in Vegas.

actually. And I went with a bunch of my. guy friends. Scott happened to be one of. the guys that came. Again, we were. always just friends. Well, he was. devastated about Courtney. And the next. morning, we all went out. We had a good. time. I was never even alone with Scott. >> He was devastated about Courtney, but. fumbled the ball. How many times? >> Well, exactly. I mean, >> men are always like the victim. >> Always the [ __ ] victim. Like, maybe. if you got your [ __ ] together, it would. be a different story. But so, the next. morning, it was on like page six or. something that Scott and I had hooked.

up. And I was like, "What in the" And my. friend Ste was like, "I know for a fact. that was Scott who told them that, planted that to try to make Courtney. jealous." Well, what do you know? That's. in fact what happened. Courtney was. really upset about it. And I remember. being on the phone with Courtney being. like, "Courtney, you know that that's. not true. I would never [ __ ] touch. Scott." And. I don't know. She was like, "Well, I. don't know. I just know I have sisters. and I would never put myself in that. situation.". >> Her sisters have allegedly been with.

right? You know, like I'm like, okay. Um, and then so they did end up getting. back together and we, you know, we. stopped talking. But, but I am like, Scott must have said it was true or. something because all it would have. taken was for Scott to be like, that's. not true. And that's, that was my issue, too, cuz this was on the cover of every. [ __ ] tabloid. And I remember doing an. interview again before social media. So, it's not like you can go on and defend. yourself and like clear your name. >> Yeah. So, I remember doing an interview. being like, that's not true. And all it. would take is one of the Kardashians to.

be like, "That's not true." for it to go. away. But they wouldn't do that. And. that's the part that pisses me off is. like they I think they have no regard. for anyone else other than themselves. >> They don't really defend themselves. [clears throat] either. >> I guess they kind of don't, do they? >> Yeah. Like there's sometimes that. there's accusations coming out about. them and I'm waiting for one of them to. speak up and they never say aing word. >> Well, I think, you know, talk about what. we said earlier. They're in the camp of. all press is good press for sure where. I'm like no this is my [ __ ]. reputation in my name. I'm like I didn't.

I have an issue when something is so not. true. If something comes out and it's. true questions your integrity. >> Yeah. But I'm like I didn't [ __ ] do. that. >> So that explains why you were so mad. when Scott reached back out to you. >> So I go on my podcast and just was. talking [ __ ] about the Kardashians. Like. nothing in particular but just talking. [ __ ] And then Scott Dick DMs me after. [ __ ] 15 years or something is like, "I miss you. We should hang out." It. just felt so calculated to me. And this.

is what the Kardashians and a lot of. people in Hollywood do is when you're. out there talking [ __ ] they want to. shut you up. So, it's keep your friends. close and your enemies closer. And I. don't play that game. It's so fake to. me. >> Do you feel like Scott is still under. control of that family? >> Thousand%. >> Oh, okay. >> I think so. I. >> feel like he's such a loose He's like a. loose. Yeah. like. >> he is for sure. But I think at the end. of the day, they definitely can kind of. control. >> They run them in in their lives. That's. for sure. [laughter]. >> Yeah. Yeah, they do. Poor Rob. >> Poor Rob has like disappeared. He's an.

obscurity. >> Oh, I was on Dancing with the Stars with. him. He's the sweetest. But he's kind of. Yeah. Where is Rob? >> Oh, yeah. Poor Rob. >> Is Rob. Okay. >> Yeah. Rob. Rob. Do the red. The What is. it? What is it that Britney Spears says? The yellow rose. [laughter]. >> Do post a yellow rose if you need help. >> Exactly. >> Poor Rob. >> I know. all that estrogen, too. It's. going to be just insane. >> Yeah. >> So, moving on from your beef with the. Kardashians, cuz it's really not even. beef. I think I feel like it's legit. like your feelings are hurt and Courtney.

should have been a better friend to know. that you would not do that. >> Well, and it's like I honestly I don't. even really give a [ __ ] to be honest. with you. But it's just that the fact. that Scott was trying to slide into my. my DMs, I was like, "Oh, [ __ ] off." But. you're like you're like, "Look, an. elephant never forgets and [ __ ] I. remember everything.". >> Exactly. And you don't want to [ __ ] with. someone who has a weekly podcast. you. know that like I'll come out and say. whatever. I'm also a loose cannon. sometimes. >> Let's talk let's talk about your podcast. really [laughter] quick. What is the. name of your podcast so people want to. listen to it? >> Let's be honest. Um yeah, it's you know. wherever you get your podcast. Yeah. But.

it's and it's a mix you know that's what. I love is having creative freedom with. you know Uncommon James and the podcast. to talk about whatever I want to talk. about. I mean, you get that if one week. I want to talk about, you know, [ __ ]. Scott Dix sliding into my DMs or. interview a neurosurgeon, you know, like. I have that freedom, which is really. great and keeps it exciting for me. >> I admire the fact that you can do. podcasts by yourself. I have. >> Do you never do them? >> No, I haven't. >> I feel like you would be so good at. that. >> I feel like nobody wants to hear me talk. that much. >> Oh, that is not true. You [laughter]. would be so good at it.

>> I just be sitting here talking. I would. probably They'd be like by the time I. got done, they'd be like, "Does she have. five personalities?" because she. literally made herself laugh and she. couldn't stop laughing and then she got. pissed off. Like what just happened? Like. >> it is it's weird. >> It might be bad for me. [laughter]. >> I remember when I started doing them I. was like this is the most unnatural. awkward thing on the planet. I'm just. talking to myself. Like it's weird but. it's a it's a muscle. You you would be. so good at it, Bonnie. I feel you should. try it. >> I don't know. Listen, if you guys see me. talking to myself, it's because Kristen. told me to do it. [laughter].

>> So let's talk about the Montana boy. [clears throat]. Okay. >> Okay. Because listen, I wasing rooting. for you, dude. >> You were so cute on TikTok. >> I was rooting for cuz I was like, let. woman live, bro. I know. What was the. age difference? >> 13 years. >> I mean, it's not terrible. >> I mean, you know, the thing is I I will. stand by this. I still think age is just. a number. And. >> um it was so interesting for me to see.

how up in arms people were because I was. older and I'm the woman. >> compared to how it is for men. >> But Demi Moore and Aston Kutcher got. away with it and they were the cutest. thing ever. >> Well, and there's so many people talk. about Jason Stadm. I think he's like. 20some years older than Rosie. I mean. like there are so many relationships out. there and people don't bat an eye but. when a girl does it that really pissed. me off. I was like, "What the fuck?". Also, it's not like I don't know. I. think. >> So, okay, actually, here's my real. opinion on it. This is what I think. I.

don't think people give a [ __ ] that I'm. dating that I was dating someone. younger. >> I think it's that. >> I can do whatever the [ __ ] I want in my. life. I'm out there doing what I want. and a lot of people can't do that. And. that's what's triggering for people. >> Amen. >> Yeah. And so, yeah, it was fascinating. for me to see that whole thing, >> to see the reaction. >> Yeah. How did you guys meet? [clears throat] How did that come about? Did you Did you see him on TikTok and. you were like, I want that one. >> Okay. Yeah. Literally, I saw him on Tik. Tok and I was like, [ __ ] he's so hot.

[laughter] But like, okay, that was. that. And then like a couple months. later, he DM'd me on Instagram and I was. like, what the [ __ ]. >> You manifested that. >> I literally did. Yeah. And then um and. then found out they were moving to. Nashville and I was like, well, [ __ ] if. this isn't meant to be. >> Yeah. [laughter] You're like, I mean, I. just I need to welcome him home. >> I needed that [ __ ] buddy. [laughter] I. was like, I'm not Morgan. >> And listen, 13 years younger, you know, it's it's going to be good. >> There you go. >> Yeah. [laughter] So, how was you guys'.

relationship if you could like sum it up. in a nutshell? >> It was great. Honestly, I mean, um, we. did have a real connection. I don't want. to minimize that at all. >> He's a really good guy. It was a. beautiful relationship. I, you know, I. have nothing bad to say. It was fun. until it wasn't, you know? It was like. it just um I felt the age difference. [laughter] like no no no [ __ ] no shock. Like of course and I get that, you know, everyone's like I [ __ ] knew it. It's.

like okay, but we all knew it. >> We have fun. >> I was having fun. >> It was It's called a fling for a reason. >> Exactly. Like am I supposed to marry. everyone I date? Like I don't. understand. I was having fun. And I. think people have forget that the last. five years have been my dating era. Like. I always had boyfriends. I met Jay when. I was 23. I never was able to date and. figure out exactly what I want and like. figure out myself through dating. And so. that's what I've been doing the last 5. years. And that was really fun for me. It like sort of.

>> it was a distraction too. >> It was a distraction. It was really. easy. It just sort of naturally fit into. my life. I said this on my podcast, but. you know, it's maybe selfish looking. back, but I didn't really have to bend. for him in a lot of ways. He just kind. of fit into my life. And with where I'm. at in my life, that was really it was. perfect. >> What you needed. >> It was what I needed. And um yeah, but. Mark's a great guy. And I've. >> I never even knew his name. I just know. him as Montana Boy. >> I love you. [laughter]. >> That's Montana boy. Anybody that talks.

to me about it is like, "Yeah, her and. the Montana boy.". >> I [laughter] know. Did you Did you ever. look around when you were with him and. just be like, "Maybe," and this is not a. disc to him at all. It's just maybe this. is too small for me because you know you. do have such a lore and like you're an. icon and not saying that he's he he. won't be. But I mean all he has right. now is the shirtless Tik Tok videos. >> Yeah. And it's I think it's a. combination of [laughter] Yeah. I mean. >> that's not me being mean. I'm just. trying to keep it real good. He's.

beautiful. I think, you know, I think. when you are young and you don't have. life experience coupled with. >> maybe not a lot going on in your life, >> there's not a lot. >> to talk about. There's not a lot to. bring to the table. >> They're just pretty to look at, >> which can go for a minute. You know, that'll get you through [laughter] for a. minute. No, I get it. >> Until it won't. >> Yeah. And so, yes, I um I came out of it. and was craving. real um depth and emotional um.

>> intimacy. >> Intimacy, >> you know, seduce my mind and then you. can have my body. That's what I always. say. >> Yeah. So, now I'm like really like in. that mode of like I want to learn. something from a man. I want to like, you know, like I want. >> Yeah. I love [laughter] that. >> But this but that's what I'm saying. Like it's fun. Like this whole journey. that I'm on is really fun and it's the. evolution of me and I'm figuring it out. And I love that like I had that as part. of my overall story. Like [ __ ] yeah, I. dated a 24year-old.

>> Was he ever insecure with like what he. had going on and then what you had going. on. Did that ever become an issue with. you guys? Um, I mean, we have to. remember, too, we only dated for like. seven months, so I think, >> um, but, um, no, I don't I don't think. that was an insecurity for him. Listen, I think he was sort of along for the. ride. Like, he was just like happy as. Kristen Cavaleri. >> He was like [laughter] very. kind of, you know, >> um, so no, I don't I don't think.

[laughter] that was an issue. >> Was he sad when you guys broke up? >> Yeah, it was it was really hard. It was. really hard and it um it crushed me. quite honestly because I knew I was. breaking his heart. And so yes um and. actually it's been one of the harder. breakups for me in the sense where like. normally I'm like I'm done. Great. I'm. moving on. I never even think about the. guy again. But I think I've had a lot of. guilt about it and I feel really bad. And so. >> he's so sweet. >> He's so sweet. He really is so sweet.

And um yeah, so that's been it's been. hard for me to like let it go and we've. stayed in touch too and I think that. probably makes it harder as well. >> Would you give it another old wrap. around the old wrap around? >> As much as I love, you know, getting. between the sheets [laughter] with them. >> Look at her. She's all flavored her. neck. She's not [laughter] excited. >> No, I have to just close that door. >> She's like, "No, I'm healing." All. right. I'm trying to heal. >> We're in our healing process. No, I. actually I'm um I'm kind of dating. someone else now.

>> Can we know who it is? >> I'm not going to say who it is and it's. really new, but um. >> is he in the spotlight also? >> He is a retired athlete, which I will. tell you. >> You love the athletes. >> [ __ ] They love me. I think. >> Yeah, [laughter]. >> they always find me. >> I love that. >> But he's You're a wag. So, I'm a [ __ ]. wag through and through. [laughter]. He's such a good guy and he really It's. new, but he checks all the boxes where. I'm like, "Fuck, this is what I've been. needing." So, we'll see. We'll see. He's.

coming in a couple days to stay with me. So, >> tell us who it is and we'll bleep the. name out. >> Um, okay. Bleep it out. >> Okay. I don't know who it is. >> Yeah. He's He wasn't like a big Well, I. don't know. I don't know cuz I don't. know athletes really that much, but um. yeah, he retired a couple years ago and. he has so much depth and I just like. loved hockey. He's 40. >> Good. Yeah. has kids. So, yeah, we. connect on so many different levels, which is awesome. >> Is he cute? >> He's cute. >> Mimi's over there googling. >> Yes. But let me show you like real.

photos of him, not like [ __ ]. >> sweaty sweaty hockey ones. >> The athletes never look good in their. like. >> their photos online. I'm always like, get them in like real real life and. they're so much better. >> No, that's how I felt about what was. that one Raiders the Fire crotch. >> He was so damn fine. I even told my. husband, I think his last Max Crosby. I. was like, we saw him at a game and I was. like, who's this? And I said, baby, my. new my I text my husband. I go, my new. favorite number is, I think, 98 is that. was his number. And he goes, oh, YOU'RE.

A MAX CROSBY GIRL. [laughter] HE KNEW. >> I LOVE IT. >> I love it. My husband was like, "Go, baby, go.". >> See, that's such a good relationship. when you're just confident and secure. Like, the fact that you can say that to. him, I feel like all my ex-boyfriends. would be like, "What? Oh my god. Are you. going to leave me for him?" You know. what I mean? Like that energy. >> And Yep. I've been in relationships like. that and I refused. >> I won't do it again. >> It took me a long time when I got with. Jay um to really understand the the non-. jealousy because I came from such. jealous relationships. And I used to get.

upset with him. I'm writing about this. in my book actually. And I used to get. kind of upset with him like do you not. love me? Like why aren't you like. fighting for me? Fight over me, you. know? But I realized that's the toxicity. in me that wanted that in him. And he. never he never rose to that occasion. And now I'm just like, "God, I couldn't. imagine being with a jealous human like. that.". >> Like, I'll never do that again. >> Never. I love that for you. That's so. nice. >> You You're going to find it, too. >> I know. >> You're too much of a beautiful woman to. not have somebody see howing special you.

are. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, it's coming, baby. I can feel it. >> Yeah, me too. >> Let's talk about this home invasion that. you were just re like you just recently. started talking about it. >> Yeah. I haven't talked about it cuz um. honestly, my kids still don't know. And. even when I talked about it on my. podcast and it kind of, you know, hit. the media and stuff, I was sort of. sitting there like, "Fuck, is my oldest. gonna say something to me?" Because my. he's on he has all the things, you know, and um my boys have phones and stuff, but he never said anything to me. So I. was like, "All right, hopefully. hopefully he dodged that bullet.". >> Yeah, we won't clip this.

>> Yeah, don't clip this. Um so it was. actually it was during 2020. Um, so we. were in the Bahamas for spring break and. we ended up being there for a month. because it was when COVID hit and I had. all my uncommon James jewelry like laid. out in my closet and earlier in the day. our HVAC unit broke so we had workers in. the house fixing it and okay so Camden. my oldest and I who this is um almost. five years ago so he was like what six. or seven don't make me do math on the.

spot but. >> um he was sleeping with me that night so. we went to bed early, so I had no idea. where anyone else was in the house. And. I woke up to the door was opening and. the light from the kitchen woke me up. and I was so out of it. I honestly. thought it was Jay and thank God because. I go crawling on the bedroom floor. I. go, "What the [ __ ] are you doing?". [laughter]. And though this guy is like, "Oh, fuck.". Stands up, runs out, and I was like, "Oh, fuck." He had a ski mask on, long.

black sleeves, black pants, like the. whole nine. >> Like while you're sleeping. >> Sleeping with my [ __ ] baby in bed. with me. So I think because well, so. then I'm like, "Holy fuck." But I didn't. want to wake up Camden. So your. instincts just kick in. But I'm like, "Fuck, I have to go out in this house. and figure this out." And I have no idea. where he is or where Jay is or the kids. or whatever. So I grab my phone. I text. Jay. I'm like, "Are you awake?" no. response because it's like 1:00 a.m. So, I'm like, "Fuck." I go out in the house.

and I'm just like looking around. I go. in another bedroom. No one's there. I go. upstairs. Finally, I find Jay. As soon. as I woke up Jay, I got really nervous. Like, before that, I was like a [ __ ]. Navy Seal just like going like Yeah. Your instincts just kick in. And then. once Jay woke up, I was like shaking. I. got so scared. Long story short, it was. one of the HVAC unit guys. He took all. the cash that we had in a backpack, but. we got it back. It was like a guy that. worked at the resort that we were at. >> And you wanted to go to the Bahamas. >> I know. You know what's [ __ ] up? I've.

been back to that resort since. [laughter]. >> Just like yolo me, [ __ ] [laughter]. >> I love that though. You're like, you. know what? I'm going to go back and just. face it head on. Face your fears. >> Yeah. >> And you know Yeah. And I So that's like. one of those things that I won't tell my. kids that until they're older, >> but u unless you know I keep talking. about it and they find out. But it's. crazy that you don't have fear from. that, you know, because like that's. that's scary. You get PTSD from that. >> I know. I'll tell you what. I don't. know. I think even living in LA and.

stuff, I used to be so scared living in. this little house that I had in West. Hollywood, you know, you're on top of. your neighbor, the whole thing. But. living out here, I'm like 20 minutes. from here in the middle of nowhere. I'm. on 130 acres. I feel so safe. Like so. safe. I'm again just at peace. >> And it's just a good feeling. I don't. know. Yeah. I feel I've got German. shepherds. I've got a gun. I've got the. whole thing. So, it's like I just. >> You said I'm strapped with. >> Don't Don't get it twisted. [laughter]. But I just Yeah, I feel really really. safe out here. >> I love that. >> Yeah, it's a good feeling.

>> What does 2025 have in store for you? >> It's a good question. I hope to just. continue to just kind of be where I'm. at. I used to be such a planner and be. like, I need to do X, Y, and Z this. year. And I've gotten into this more of. a headsp space of just like letting life. unfold. And that's not to say I don't. have goals. You know, I'm going on a. podcast tour. Like, there are really fun. things happening, >> but I'm just kind of like letting it all. happen. >> Yeah. >> So, I don't I don't know. >> Whatever Whatever happens happens. >> Just letting the universe just come to.

you freely. >> Yeah. Thanks. >> I love where you're at in life. I love. the space that you're in. I feel like. you've fought to be here and it's, you. know, something to be proud of. >> Thank you. I appreciate that. A lot of. people don't figure it out and a lot of. people, you know, [clears throat]. victimize themselves or they, you know, uh, >> wallow in self-pity and you're just out. here being like, you know what, this has. happened. I did this. I did this. I take. accountability and I'm moving the on. >> Well, because there's no growth in the. victim mentality, you know? So, yeah,

you got to take take charge of your. life. Like, that's what I would tell. people. Take your life in your own hands. and do the damn thing. >> I love it. >> Yeah. >> I'm going to be doing that with you in. 2025. I'm planning like a birthday trip. for me and I never do that but I'm like. it's the first time I've celebrated my. birthday and I can't even. >> Yeah, she was shook but and and I want. to go [laughter] but I want to go out of. the country and so like I'm just this. year I'm just kind of like I have worked. my ass off my whole life. I just want to. kind of have fun this year. >> I might even drink some alcohol. All. right. And I I've been sober since 2017,

>> you know? So I'm like look at Haley's. Hey, I got I drank a beer with Haley one. night. >> Are you sober sober? You California. sober? I'm sober. Sober. I white knuckle. through life, baby. It's Yeah. No, it's. it's brutal. It's brutal. But I had to I. had to do it for my spiritual um and you. know, emotional healing that I had to go. through. When I hit 40, now I'm about to. be 45. So, I'm like, you know what? I've. done the work. >> Let me just have fun. >> There you go. See, I love that. Good. You should go have some fun.

>> No, that's why I understand where you're. at, too. Just letting things happen. So, >> yeah. I love it. >> Thank you for coming on the podcast. I. appreciate you being here. >> I appreciate you so much. >> We actually get to end the season with. Kristen, right? >> Oh, hell yeah. >> Yeah. So, you're you're like our season. finale, baby. >> Going out with a bang. >> Yes. Well, thank you. >> Thank you. And tell people where they. can find you if they don't know. >> So, just Kristen Cavaleri Instagram on. and Tik Tok. And then, let's be honest, my podcast every Tuesday. >> Yay. You guys go check her out. You'll. fall in love with her just like I did.

>> I love you. >> 20 What is it in 2020? 2006. >> 2004. 2004. God [ __ ]. >> 20 years. >> 20 years ago. >> Wild. Makes me feel old, but. >> insane. >> Thank you guys for tuning in to another. episode of Dumb Blonde. I'll see you. guys next season. Bye. [music].