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Blonde. True crime month, baby. >> It's my favorite month. >> I know. I love it. I would do true crime. all the time. Like, >> are we? >> I don't know. Shall we? I love We said. that last time, too, and then we like. did it for like two more months and then. it just we were like, "Okay, interviews." Um, today. we are going to be talking about Lyall. and Eric Menendez. they are so uh just literally like the.

the entire world has re-mbbraced them. Um and it really warms my heart because. I followed this trial. Um I was I think. like how old was I? Let me look. Yeah, I was about. so it was 89. I was. nine when this trial was going on. So, I. followed it. Um, so I I remember how the. world made it look back then. And then.

as I got older, I still kind of like. kept in tune with it because I've always. been like a true crime junkie. And I. learned more and more and more. And I've. always always always thought those boys. did not get a fair. So in lie of the new. Ryan Murphy uh you know, is that a. documentary or a TV show? series, right? >> I feel like it's a TV show, though, because it's based on true events, but. it's also very Hollywood.

>> Yes. Which we'll get into. >> Oh, yeah. Which we'll talk all about. that, too, and what our opinions about. it are. But for those of you that live. under a rock, we are going to cover this. entire case from pillar to post. And. hopefully we can um, you know, share our. opinions and how we feel about the. situation with y'all. And. >> they're all speculations. >> Yes. Everything's alleged. Um, and we'll. go from there. How does that sound? So, what we're going to do is we're going to. start from when the murder happened, but.

as we talk about the and the court case. and stuff like that, everything will be. revealed about their childhood and and. you know, just it'll all make sense. And. so I know at first we're normally we. start from the beginning and then let it. build up to it, but now we're we're just. going to literally dive straight into. the night that the happened. Everything. that happened after that and then by the. time Lyall and Eric get on stand to. testify all of the stuff about their. child. >> We're coming in hot with this one. >> Yeah, we're coming in hot. We've got. notes. When I tell.

>> Look, show them. >> When I tell you, look at this. Open. them. >> Open them. When I tell you. these are the Lyall and Eric Menendez. notes. We. >> This is crazy you guys. Like I'm telling. you, we went deep. >> Yeah, we really just because I wanted to. know everything, you know? Like. >> I feel like the Carly Greg there wasn't. a lot to know, you know? So it was like. there was. >> that story is still unfolding. I mean. for it to have just happened. So, this.

happened so long ago that we've had, you. know, over a decade, multiple decades. >> And I would just like to put it out. there, Lyall and Eric Menendez, when you. guys do get freed because I believe you. will. I would love to have you guys on. the podcast. >> Don't come for me, internet, because I. want people who have people on the. podcast, though. And uh, by the way, we. will be talking about Wade Wilson next. week and we have Diane Ruiz's Boys. coming on the podcast. JD Delay is gonna. be with me. It's going to be a deep dive. and a lot of shocking bombshells will be.

dropped. >> Yes, there will be. >> cuz I have been saving everything for. the documentary that we were working on. and I called the documentary off just. because we'll get into that uh whenever. we talk about it. But yeah, I'm ready to. go in about that and I'm ready to speak. my mind. Oh, uh we are parked in. downtown Chicago. I can hear the cars. going by outside. So if you guys hear. background noise honking because. everyone in Chicago likes to honk. Uh, that's. >> just the best food out here, though. Like, can somebody tell me why Chicago.

has the best food? >> So good. >> No, it's it's insanity. But, um, yeah. Uh, I'm hoping that you guys are loving. the true the tour. The true crime tour. bus is true crime tour bus edition is. what we're doing over here. So, but we. just, you know, we wanted to stick with. tradition and we wanted to make sure. that you guys um, you know, had some. stuff to listen to during the month of. October. All right. So, we are going to kick this. off. Ly and Eric Menendez on the night.

of the that happened. So, that is August. of 1989. Joseé Mendez, an executive at RCA. Records, and his wife, Kitty Mendez, are. shot and killed by shotgun blast in. their Beverly Hills mansion. At 11:47. p.m., Lyall, the son, calls 911 and. said, "Someone killed my parents.". >> Distraughtly calls. >> Distraughtly calls. Yes. Like is like I. mean just playing it up like boy. It. said it even said both boys were.

hysterical, almost overreacting. >> Yes. So, you know, as you guys know, Lyall and Eric them, but you know, they lived this life of. like just lavishness. They lived in a. mansion in Beverly Hills. I think their. zip code was even 90210. >> Yeah. >> Like it that's so just like for the. >> most like Hollywood LA type neighborhood. you could possibly imagine. Quiet. mansions. It's insane. Jose was an e um.

Jose was a record exec for RCA and like. I think like was like I don't quote me. on this he was either owner or heavily. heavily involved with Herz's rental. cars. So like the dude they they had. money, you know, they were. >> more than enough money. >> They were doing great. Um, Eric has said. in an interview that, you know, if the. police would have pressed them, he would. have folded because they had zero alibi. and they also had gunpowder residue all.

over their hands. >> Yeah. They're very sloppy. >> Yeah. Very sloppy. Like these boys when. when when as things start to unfold, you're going to understand why they did. this. And like I said, you must live. under a rock if you don't know the. story. But stay with us if you don't. know the story. Um, so I mean like they. literally didn't even think about it. You can tell it was almost a crime of. passion because they didn't think. everything out. They just literally went. downstairs and blew their parents' heads. off. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> they didn't put together a plan. They.

didn't like rehearse this. They didn't. go over anything. It just it happened. They panicked. >> Yeah. >> Shortly after. And that's when the. so-called alibis or like the cleanups or. whatever they attempted those came into. play in passion like you said. >> Yeah. I don't think they tried to clean. up anything but. >> like the any gunshells and stuff. Remember they walked in and grabbed all. the gunshells. >> Um yeah. Oh, that's right. Cuz he says. right here he says had they had searched. their car, there were gunshells inside.

the vehicle and his vehicle was inside. the search area. So yes, you were right. Good. >> Crazy. >> You caught that. That's good. I. I was paying attention. Like this is. this is definitely something. >> I'm like overloaded like with research. on this. >> It's like I I find it crazy that this. kind of falls back into last week's. episode of like they're smart kids. >> Yeah. >> But they're not street smart kids, >> right? I mean, they're they grew up in. freaking Beverly Hills, so it's not like. they know how to do drivebys or. anything. Um,

so Eric also went on to tell the. detectives cuz like you know they were. never um pinpointed as suspects like. which is crazy to me because you got to. think these detectives go into this. crime scene. Both parents' heads are. blown off with gunshells in Beverly. Hills. The the sons immediately are not. suspects. One, I think because of the. dad's stature. I truly believe that. that's why they didn't treat them bad. cuz they were just like, "Oh, they would.

they could never do this." You know, but. secondly, they didn't even test the boys. hands for for gunpowder residue. >> Had they had done that, you know, they. would have been like, "Something's not. ending.". >> So when the cops show up, the first. thing that Lyall is like pressing is. like, "I think the mob did this.". >> You know, that was their alibi. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You know what I mean? So like he. immediately was just like, "Nope, it. wasn't us." You know, and so I believe. like you said, the dad's role in the. community and his his ability to have.

like this perfect. man. >> Yeah. They were like, "Oh, no. The kids. could never.". >> Yeah. Absolutely. So, you know, the boys. did get brought in for questioning, but. I mean that's just like part for the. course if you're at any or you walk in. on any crime scene. So he said that if. the detectives have been paying. attention when the detectives and him. were talking, he said that he discovered. his parents and that he saw smoke. >> Smoke. >> Yeah. The room was filled with smoke. So.

how weren't they arrested was surprising. to him is exactly what he said. And he. said because seeing smoke would mean he. would have had to have been there around. the time of the crime. >> Yes. So, you know, there was just so many clues, so many. things that. >> so obvious. >> pointed at the boys, but I think that. the people in the community and the and. the police just didn't want to believe. it. >> No, not at all. I don't think anyone. thought of them. And like it truly was.

this. when they do get caught, and we'll get. to that. It's like they could have. gotten away with this. >> Yeah. Yes. They could have gotten away with this. >> They could have gotten away with it for. sure. >> You know what I mean? Um, but I do agree. the the slip ups. It It all points to me. that this was passion. >> Oh, absolutely. >> This is a passion. >> Mhm. For sure. Uh people thought it was. strange that the boys were still living. in the same house that their parents. were murdered in. So even after they.

the boys continued to thrive and live in. the same house and you know that's when. people started kind of being like this. is a little weird. >> Yeah. >> I wonder if anyone suspected it prior to. them getting caught. I wonder how many. people were like maybe the boys actually. did do this and no one was willing to. speak up because of their stature. >> Yeah. Well, I feel like especially back. in the day, like in the ' 80s and '90s, peopleing minded their business.

>> I mean, that's true. No one's posting it. on TikTok. >> Literally, nobody's trying to expose. anybody in the ' 80s and '9s, dude. And. like now how it is now, would be like, I. think he did it. They'd do a [ __ ]. podcast about it. They'd have a podcast. about it. Like it would everybody's. exposing everybody. Back then, didn't. say a word. >> No, they kept to themselves. They would. talk about it like during coffee or like. over a cigar, but like. >> in the streets, it would be like, you. know, gossip. >> That's what I'm wondering. Like I wonder. how many times they sat down and were.

like, I bet you those boys did it. Hands. down. >> Yeah, for sure. I'm sure there was a. couple people who thought that, too. But. because of, >> you know, again, who Jose was, a lot of. people just didn't want to, you know, >> think the boat Yeah. badly of him also. cuz like he put out this persona that. >> in this community and his uh work and. everything that he was like the perfect. family man. >> Mhm. So Lyall has been quoted as saying, "I didn't have good coping mechanisms as. a child. I was comfortable with keeping.

secrets." So I mean that right there for. him and this is before he even said. anything about you know the abuse or. anything like that. Um, for him to say that he was comfortable. keeping secrets, that's crazy. >> Yeah. >> If you, you know, some shit's going on. in that family that you can your parents. and just act like nothing happened. >> Mhm. Exactly. And like I I do feel like. the over dramatized phone calls and like. the acting that when the police were.

there goes to show how good of a liar he. can be. >> Mhm. Yeah. They said that Lyall also did. 90% of the talking after the parents'. deaths because you know Lyall is the. older brother. So he kind of like they. said that he began having business. meetings with people to try to carry out. what they thought their father would. want them to do. >> It's like it's crazy when you think. about it because these boys were like. it's almost like. they were living I don't know. It's.

almost like a fantasy roleplay of like. maybe they genuinely were so up from. what happened in their house that. >> they Well, what I've noticed in all the. research too is these boys still had. like this weird tremendous respect for. their father, which isn't that like. Munchousen syndrome? >> Kind of. It's a I would assume it's like. a Stockholm syndrome. >> Stockholm. I was like more Stockholm. syndrome. >> Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, not Munchousen. uh.

Stockholm syndrome because like they. still wanted to carry out like their his. father's plans at the funeral. They. talked about what a great man their. father was and like. >> it's like they were still hunting for. that approval even after he was gone. >> Yes. >> That's truly what it was. It's like what. would my dad think right now? >> Yeah. Would he be happy with me? >> Yes. Would he be happy with what I'm. doing? Would he be happy with that? And. to give you guys perspective on Lyall. and Eric, Lyall was the older one and he. was a very dominant out of the two. Eric.

I feel like was just stuck in this like. >> little boy. >> little boy innocent. >> So sweet. >> While Lyall was very pushed forward, very aggressor. of the two. >> He was the first born. He was the first. born. He was the first abused and he was. kind of like the protector. >> Exactly. And poor Eric, you know, just. was this little just this little nugget. >> Yeah. Little sweet nugget. >> So, I see Lyall being the one after the. deaths to pursue these businesses and.

he's he's carrying on life like his. parents never died. >> Yeah. It was. >> like they're on vacation or something. >> Yeah. Yeah. Like at Bernie's. >> Yeah. Um, they also enlisted a meeting. with a writer to do a book on their. father about what a great man he was as. well as were talking about going into. politics because that's what they had. said their father was planning on doing. >> It's like he's becoming his father. >> That's exactly what they said. They said. that he that Lyall literally stepped. into the shoes of his father and like.

took his father's place. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Lia also was the one who spent a. lot of time at his parents' grave sites. And that to me kind of shows maybe. remorse, >> empathy. Yeah. It's like. >> he does feel bad in a sense, but. we'll get to that. >> Says Lyall read a letter at the funeral. from his father and was said to start. becoming and acting like his father. He. became extremely calm and cool.

They both handled the deaths of their. parents differently. Eric becoming. withdrawn and quiet. So Eric, you know, has Eric is more of a sensitive soul. >> Yes. >> And this. >> he internalizes everything. He also. suffers with severe depression. He also. has a lot of mental um. you know uh health issues mental health. issues. And um you know whereas Lyall.

probably. was just in survival mode. >> all the time. >> Yeah. It was just I feel like Eric was. more in that fawn mode and Lyall was in. fight or flight. >> all the time. His cortisol levels must. be insane. >> Literally. Well, now I'm sure I hope and. pray that they're better. But yeah, for. what those boys had to go through. Absolutely. And they just both took on. the pain way differently. >> Exactly. And and that just goes to show. you can go through both can go through. something similar within a house and you.

as a person is going to deal with that. trauma in such different ways. >> Yes. So you know Lyall becoming this. strange interpretation of his. business-like father. He even hired. bodyguards saying he feared for his life. >> from the mob. >> from the mob because he was like really. playing into his alibi quote unquote. that he had. And you know, whatever. I. mean, they had the money, so he probably. was just squandering it. Said they went.

shopping and started buying each other. lavish gifts. Eric, who was a like a. really good tennis player, hired a. tennis coach for like 50,000 a year, which back in '89, $50,000. >> Crazy. You could buy a house for like. 50,000 to 100,000 back then. >> Um, >> Eric said it was all to cover up not. wanting to be alive. He said that the. only reason he didn't himself was. because he didn't want to be a. disappointment to his father. >> H again, just trying to like live out. this like childhood something. I I don't.

even know how to put that into words, but more like they truly believed that. their father wanted these things from. them. >> It also goes to show that when you are. abused by somebody, you still love them. and you still want that attention, that. affection, and that acknowledgement from. them. >> Yeah. That's often like, you know, people, why did you stay with your. abuser? Like, why are you still in a. relationship with him? This goes to show. that trauma bonds, trauma bonds. It can.

happen with siblings. It can happen with. relatives. It can happen with. significant others. It can happen with. parents. And this is one of those. situations. >> Yeah. Exactly. Lyall has gone on the. record to even say that he didn't enjoy. being considered a a playboy and that it. was just all a facade to, you know, cover up what they had done. So during. all of this, um, Eric had ended up. getting in trouble for burglary while. his parents were alive and the court. ordered him to go to a therapist.

>> Enter Dr. Ozil and that's who Eric. started going to. Um, that doctor never made Eric feel safe. because. Jose. told Dr. Rosal, everything that my son. tells you, you need to tell me and you. need to sign this affidavit saying that. you will. >> So Eric knew that he couldn't confide in. this doctor at all. And never once. confided in this doctor about the abuse.

Never said anything about. >> wild. He has to go to them for robbery. But. >> yeah, >> you know, let's forget about all the. abuse. >> Yeah, let's let's forget about all the. let's forget why I robbed people. >> Yeah. So after the deaths, the deaths. were just too heavy on Eric and he was. just like, I've got to get this out of. me. So he goes and he sees. none other than Dr. Ozil. And when he. sits down with Dr. Ozil, he's, you know, really nervous, really agitated cuz he's.

pretty much suicidal at this point. And. he goes. and tells Dr. Ozelle, "Hey, let's take a. walk." Because he was afraid that the. session was being recorded. >> Yep. And in that walk, he confides to. the doctor that he that him and Lyall. committed the of his family. >> Yeah. >> So Dr. Ozelle does not take this upon. himself to go to the police and tell the. police. He looks at this as like a.

perfect blackmail moment. Just a. disgusting human, you know? I mean, would you expect any less from somebody. who was in business with the dad, you. know? Um, so instead he has a side [ __ ] named. Judelon Smith who he decides to confide. in and tell like, "Hey, Eric and Ly. Manettz just confessed their to me. I. need you to come sit in in one of the. sessions and kind of easedrop in the. waiting room." So he had Judelon come.

in, sit in one of the sessions outside. and like with her ear up against the. door or whatever, sitting in the waiting. room and he immediately gets on tape. these confessions because he wants to. have something to hold over the boy's. heads for obviously for monetary. reasons. And by the way, Dr. Ozelle's. license during this time was already. suspended. I don't think anybody knew. that, but he just wasn't a great. character. He wasn't a great human. Yeah. Literally took advantage of these. boys because, you know,

>> in their most vulnerable. >> moments. Yeah. Like in their not. multiple vulnerable moments. You know, Eric has said that he admitted these. deaths to Dr. Ozale because he was. really wanting to himself and depressed. >> He didn't know where else to turn. Eric. had, like you had already said, Eric. internalizes everything while Lyall like. projects it all in like with money or. with like um attention. And Eric is just. so softspoken. He's got he's really got. that Michael um Jackson where it's like.

he's stuck in that age where the abuse. started and he didn't know how to. >> do this. And I I hate that the person. that he felt most comfortable to turn. to. And I know he thought the only. reason he could turn to him is cuz like. legally he couldn't go tell anyone. So. like I get that. But like how sad is. that? You had no one in your life you. could confide to and then you end up. having to go to the worst person ever. I. feel like his family would have had his. back more than the doctor. >> I feel like they would have too because. they seen it. >> They've been writing to him. So, yeah.

And we'll get into that, too. >> During all of this, Dr. Rosselle also. confided in his wife, too. Not only did. he confide in his side [ __ ] he. confided in his wife. So, there's two. Now, now we've got three people who know. about what's going on. >> He said he was confiding in them because. he feared his life, >> right? I was just getting into that. He. said he also told his both his wife and. his mistress that Lyall had threatened. his life but still never went to police. >> Like get out of here. >> Lyall has even gone on record to say.

like that's absolutely false. I never. threatened his life, you know. And if I. did threaten his life, why didn't he. just go to the police? >> He never went to the police. He. literally was just like. >> out for himself. >> Yeah. Concocting this story just to try. to definitely probably blackmail. Well, lo and behold, good old side. Judelon. decides to get mad at Dr. Ozale, probably cuz he wouldn't leave his wife. But she said that he had kidnapped her. and held her against his will and her.

which we're not here to discuss any. abuse that. >> it could have happened. >> Could have possibly happened. Yeah, we're not here to to speculate on what. happened to Judelon, but this was her. reasoning for going to the police. And. when she goes to the police, she's. hysterical. She's like, "Oh my god, um, he me. He did this. He did that. Oh, by. the way, he also has the Menendez. brothers on record saying that they. parents." So, this wasn't the first.

thing that she told the police. It was. more about like what's going on with her. and like how he did her wrong. And you. know, even the police back then didn't. believe her, like what was going on. But. when she said that he had these tapes of. the boys, that's when the police's ears. perked up and they were like, >> you know, the police, I feel at that. point are like, and they kind of. discussed this in that docu series on. Netflix, um, about how they feel like. they're internalizing the fact they're. not doing a very good job. And that. could be, we don't, like that's not. actual proof. That's more of like. Hollywood type stuff, but this could be.

actually happening. These dudes could. literally just be in such a rut that. it's like they were willing to grasp. onto any information that was coming out. because of course they didn't test the. son's hands, right? >> You know, so they have nothing and they. probably didn't do a very good scene. very good job at the crime scene. >> Yeah. >> And by the way, his side [ __ ] used to. be one of his clients, which right there. tells you another character defect of. Dr. Ozil. You're not supposed to be Is. that like a hippo violation? It. >> is. >> Yeah. You're not like supposed to date. your clients, but whatever.

So the police watching this from the. sidelines was when it started to make. the police kind of think like hm. something is not right. This is a motive. here. So they start investigating and. they discover where the boys had bought. the guns in San Diego. So before the. boys did the and we're going to get into. all of this because none of this comes. out until they get on the stand is that. Lyall and Eric said that they feared for. their lives because of their parents. Um, you know, there was a situation that.

happened, which we'll get into in a. little bit, and Lyall and Eric felt like. they needed to protect themselves. So, they went down to San Diego and I think. they used like a cousin's ID or. something and they bought two guns from. a shop. So, the police found out about. that and that right there shows the. weapons. March of 1990, Lyall is this is almost a year later. Lyall is arrested by police and Eric.

turns himself in days later after. returning from Israel. They confess to. their the Okay, hold on. Lyall is. arrested by police and Eric turns. himself in days later after returning. from Israel. They are accused of. firstdegree. So, this is where it starts. getting. hairy, dude. Oh, >> like it starts getting crazy. Like. >> I I you can't make that up. Like this is. a this is literally a Hollywood movie. >> Yes. >> Ryan Murphy knew what he was doing when.

he made that docu series. >> Absolutely. And we talk about the fact. that like he portrayed them and like the. the way that he put this together. I. mean it was a spectacular Monsters is. something like everyone should watch. >> Yeah. So, let's well, let's talk about. it really quick before we get into all. the details and stuff like that. So, I. don't know if you guys have seen all the. hoopla online about Ryan Murphy's. documentary about Lyall and Eric. Menendez. I watched the documentary.

myself or the docue series myself and I. have to say this is only my opinion. Everybody else is entitled to their. opinions, but this is how I took the. Ryan Murphy thing. First of all, Ryan. Murphy is notorious for American horror. story. It's what he does. He does horror. very well. And when I watched the docu. series, it kept me glued to the screen.

>> You couldn't look away. >> Could not look away. Could not look. away. And I didn't realize how bad the. abuse was until I watched that Ryan. Murphy documentary. I think he captured. the abuse that the boys went through. absolutely amazing. What he did wrong was and this is how. just my opinion what he did wrong was he. did not capture the emotion of these. boys and the pain of these boys and.

that's where he up. >> Yeah. >> Had he have incorporated that in that. docue series it would have been received. a way different way. >> Whole different way. You and I discussed. this. I truly feel like he dehumanized. them. >> Mhm. >> And until you actually watch them as. humans on tape, you have no idea. >> the emotions and the pain that these. boys felt, >> what those boys went through, dude. Like, I don't think ever making fun or.

light of abuse is ever okay. And I think. that um you know, these boys had the. whole world laughing at them. >> Yeah. They were portrayed as these. snotty little bratty, pompous, you know, boys and that's how the media. covered them in the '9s. That's exactly. how the media. >> people were making fun of them on like. um news channels and like SNL and like. things like that. Could you imagine? >> No. Could you imagine, you know, literally.

your parents and then the entire world. just coming at you not knowing all the. facts and making fun of you and you. know, like she said, skits on SNL being. made and stuff like that. So, >> do I think Ryan Murphy um did a great. job? Absolutely. But I also think that. he slipped up in that one area of just. not showing empathy uh and capturing the. boy's emotions and pain, which kind of.

is par for the course for Ryan Murphy. He's kind of like the Tim Burton of Yes. You know, like horror [ __ ] So, >> and I don't think you can incorporate. heartfelt moments so much into horror. So, I get that. Like, I get you. You did. the best in your specialty. And I by no. means feel like it was a bad like it was. literally I'm obsessed with it. I could. watch it again, but. >> if you want to. >> dissect it. >> Yes, if you want to dissect and know. more, please please go watch the actual.

tapes. >> Well, go watch the actual tapes, but. also watch the new documentary that just. dropped with the boys in their own. words. Yes. And I can understand why. Eric and Lyall are upset because they've. worked this hard to like get reappealed. and like, you know, hopefully try to get. free and then here comes Ryan Murphy. making them look like they did in the. '9s. And that's got to be hurtful. So, >> I get that. I understand that. All. right. So, let's We got off track, but. let's deep dive into what happens next. after the boys are arrested. You want to.

go ahead, memes? >> Yeah. March 1990, Lyall is arrested by. police and Eric turns himself in days. later after returning from Israel. So, they're just living their normal lives, having no idea this mistress is out. there snitching on them. And. >> not really snitching on them. She was. trying to snitch on Dr. Ozil. And then. was like, "Oh, yeah. By the way, like. they didn't even care. It was so cay.". >> Oh, it was awful. So, >> and by the way, Eric was in Israel for a. tennis competition. >> Yeah. >> He he could have just stayed gone. >> Yeah. I mean, you didn't have to come.

back. >> Yeah. You kind of boy, you had a running. start. >> Yeah. >> He only came back for his brother. though. >> Truly their bond. Yeah. And it's a. trauma bond too between those two. >> Um Ly has said that it was a staged. arrest for the media circus. They you. know had called the media to be ready to. watch for the SWAT teams. Um that right. there shows me and I had mentioned this. earlier in this podcast about the police. department. They really were trying to.

save their asses in this. Oh, absolutely. And the fact that you call. media out to witness this, you could. have easily probably knocked on the door. and just been like, "Yo, bro.". >> When you find out later on who the judge. was, you'll understand why they made. this a media circus. >> Exactly. So, it just to me, the whole. thing just screams red flags. But then, you know, Lyle also has come out to say. that he's was relieved to be arrested. and that it's like you said the cortisol. levels in this circus that he's just.

portraying this person. It was probably. like, whoa, I can kind of take off my. mask right now. >> I don't have to pretend to be this. person and everyone he surrounded. himself in, his friends, everything like. that. He had to be someone. >> Well, and holding in a lie like that. >> Yeah. And then can you imagine seeing. your parents in that state over and over. and over again in nightmares? Like I I. just think that that would be super. heavy and just, you know, I couldn't. imagine the relief of just being like,

"Okay, >> let's go.". >> And that's what Eric had. That's what. turned Eric to going and confessing to. his therapist was the a lot of the. dreams, you know, he was daydreaming. He. was having dreams at nightmares at. night. like it consumed his entire life, which I'm sure in a way it also did to. Lyall, but Lyall didn't portray that. >> Right. So, we're going to fast forward. to 3 years later. >> Mhm. >> July of 1993 is when they go on their. first trial. >> So, the Mendes brothers go on trial in.

LA courtroom. Um, each a separate jury. in a trial that was televised on Court. TV. >> Yeah. So, >> so I mean that's already a media circus. You know, these boys have been sitting. in jail for 3 years. They reappear and I. mean, you see the iconic when they walk. in the courtroom like that is iconic. because these boys were attractive boys. >> That was it. They were really like the. stereotypical. >> guys. They were the hot '9s guys and you.

know people wanted to hate them but then. there was women who loved them you know. as we're seeing with what's happening. with certain stereot. >> Yeah. he was hot, you know, and like and. that that resurfaced here when they. brought out his you little docu series. thing, it was like it resurfaced of this. like craze women had um towards like how. hot he was. >> Yep. So prosecutors whenever they opened. up the arguments in the um trial was.

that they parents for financial gain. They were looking for a motive and I'm. sorry this prosecutor was a [ __ ] I. can't stand her. >> I do not like her, >> bro. If you watch the documentary, the. new one that just dropped, don't not the. Ryan Murphy one, but the the real. prosecutor is in this one and she is a. turd. >> I don't like her. I just talked about. this. >> Terribleing human, man. Like. >> like the ending of that when she was. talking, I was like,

>> it's viral on Tik Tok. It's viral. >> Thank God. Cancel her, >> please. If there's anyone to cancel, it's her. >> Yeah, I think she's retired now, but I. mean like she's crazy. She even went on. to say on this documentary like, "Oh. yeah, so we're just going to let them. out of prison because Tik Tok and by the. way, Tik Tok, I'm armed." And it's just. like I got guns all over this place. >> I don't know how these people on Tik Tok. work. They will have your social. security number on the dark web tonight. >> They will be tracking your every move on. Twitter. >> Yeah. Like she needs like Don't piss off. the crazies on Tik Tok.

>> No. Um the brother's defense admitted. that they did parents but argued that. they acted out of self-defense after. years of emotional, psychological, and. abuse by their father. So this brings me. to a point right here. When they first got arrested, they sat. in jail for 3 years and they stood by. the fact that yes, we parents and we're. just going to take our lumps and go. away. Nobody was going to talk about the. abuse. They were forced to talk about.

the. >> Yes. What is that? >> Yep. They were forced to talk about the. abuse because. um. Eric and Lyall. had been put in a the the same housing. unit. >> and Lyall used to write letters to Eric. And they had said, and we'll talk about. this in a little bit, that. >> the boys tried to have uh tried to.

escape from jail. >> And so they had to all of a sudden. search their jail cells. Right. >> Lies. >> Yeah, it was lies. But they searched. Eric's cell. And when they searched. Eric's cell, they found a letter from. Lyall stating like, "Hey, I love you. I'm sorry for everything we've been. through, you know, but listen, we're not. going to talk about what really. happened. we're not going to talk about. what they did to us. We're not, you. know, like this was a heartfelt letter. where he went in and was just telling.

Eric how much he loved him and like, "Hey, we're just going to go down in. flames and just take our, you know, we're going we're going to do it.". >> Yeah. >> Which to me, that's balls, dude. >> Dude, >> that's straight up gangster. >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> Like, how are you not going to talk. about what really happened in your. household? And once you guys find out. what really happened in their household, >> if you don't know already, it's. mindblowing that they were willing to go. down with these secrets. >> I I cannot imagine I have full body.

chills right now thinking back on this. because I just could not imagine having. so much trauma that you don't even want. to talk about the trauma. >> Well, you don't want to talk about it. and also it's almost like you're still. protecting your family. >> Yeah. Exactly. is like, "Dad would be. disappointed if we talked about that.". That's how I like see it. And I'm like, >> "Bro, >> what did he do to you?". >> And you know why Eric I think I wrote it. down later in the notes, but Eric said. later on that he had kept the letter.

because it was the first time Lyall had. ever opened up to him about it and it. was special to him. And that just goes. to show how sweet Eric is. No, they're. babies. Like they are Okay, anyways, we'll probably get in trouble for saying. we're romanticizing But that I just I. don't know how can you not want to. cradle these boys after you hear this. story. >> It's crazy. >> So of course you know with the boys. looks with their attitudes all that. stuff. >> where their parents who their parents.

>> who their parents were they become an. over the case becomes an overnight. sensation. They are like global global. worldwide coverage. This was like our. modernday like Johnny Depp. >> trial that everyone was talking about. and everyone was watching. >> Mhm. Yeah. No, it was crazy. So, so the. jurors were selected, the jurors that. were selected had read and followed the. case through TV and newspapers, so they. had already preconceived opinions about. the boys, which how is that even fair?

Like you have such a freaking. major case that people have been already. following for three three four years at. this point. >> have decided their decisions for sure. >> Well that and also it's like that's not. fair because you need people who really. don't know what's going on to look at it. from a fresh you know set of eyes. So. Robert Shapiro was originally the boys's. attorneys which Eric and Lyall have gone. on record to say that they feel like.

Robert Shapiro them over. >> Yeah. >> Um, Robert Shapiro is actually the one. that talked Eric into coming back from. Israel. >> And when Eric could have just stayed in. Israel, so yeah. So I. >> I didn't know that. >> I had no idea he's the one that. convinced him to come back. I thought. his brother convinced him. >> That's wild. >> No. Uh, Robert Well, I'm sure it was a. mixture of both, I'm sure. But, you. know, his brother was was arrested. Robert Shapiro probably.

Shapiro. So after they fired Robert. Shapiro, they hired boss ass B Leslie. Abra Abramson. >> That's my girl. >> I love her. >> That's my girl. >> No, I love her. And she You can tell, man. That woman went hard for these. boys. Like she was the mom they always. needed. Like she. >> protected these boys tooth and nail. and. she's the one who talked the boys into. talking about their abuse because Lyall.

was not having it. I think Eric was more. like, "Okay, yeah, I'll do it, but as. long as Lyall's okay with it.". >> And then Lyall also So Leslie was Eric's. attorney. And then Lyall had um another. attorney who I believe was I think her. name was Jill. If you guys have not seen. Leslie, go look at a picture of her. She's got this like permed blonde hair, big big hair. I'm just going to paint a. picture for you. She's skinny. She is.

chain smoking cigarettes outside the. courtroom. It's just. >> she's from New York. Like she doesn't. take any [ __ ]. >> She is such a bad. adore. >> So Lyall's attorney was Jill Lancing and. then Eric's attorney was Leslie. Abramson. I don't know why I have the hardest time. with that. But um isn't it crazy how the. boys hired both women? >> Yeah. >> Like that just shows like they just want.

that motherly love. >> They were over by the dude already and. it just goes to prove to them like you. know what no we're going to get women. >> Yeah. Their mom was a piece of too. We're going to get. >> both of the parents failed them. >> Yeah definitely. So um in the case of. Lyall and Eric Menendez who their. parents in 1989, Shapiro arranged the. surrender of Eric in 1990 who at the. time of Lyall's arrest was in Israel for. a tennis tournament. He later. represented Eric during their first. arraignment until the defense handed it.

over to Leslie Abramson who represented. Eric until the brothers uh conviction. So moving on from there, you know, you've got this huge global case. So, you've got these two badass women that. are representing the boys. You've got. handsome boys, handsome rich boys that. are just driving the the world crazy. And then you have jurors who know what. the going on. >> Yeah. >> This whole case is a mess. >> This whole case is a mess because the.

next part, and I'm going to let you know. why the next part um is so pertinent. The judge. was the same judge. The judge that the. boys got was the same judge that had. ruled on the Rodney King case. So. because of what happened with the Rodney. King verdict, that judge already felt. pressured to prove that the that the. judicial system was upstanding and just. So these boys are literally walking in. to just a lion's den.

>> Yes. >> You know, and for everybody who's. familiar with the Rodney King situation, when that judge ruled not guilty, LA was on fire. Literally. >> California rioting was rioting, getting. burned down. Like. >> nobody gave a, you know, like it wasing. straight anarchy out there. >> Absolutely. >> And then here comes these two little. white rich boys who their parents into. the same courtroom of the judge who just. had set off the entire Rodney King.

>> Yes. >> How is that fair? >> That that judge should not be able to. practice. Like. >> he should have taken a year off. >> He's like, "Bro, okay. I'm going to go. I'm going to go to Israel. >> He literally like why are you still in. the courtroom? Like it's just crazy to. me. >> that part of the I didn't know that part. until you had told me the other night. and I was like no freaking way. Like it. explains so much of like how this trial. ended up happening. >> Yeah, it was crazy. But you want to know. what else is a just crazy?

>> Ly's toup pay. >> Toup pay man. To pay or not to pay, that. is the question. >> Oh my gosh. So, in the docu series. though on Netflix, they did a fantastic. job portraying this toupe. >> Are you talking about um Ryan Murphy's? Yes. >> Yes. >> Yeah. The toupe took on a life of its. own in Ryan Murphy's docue series. >> And he's like he's talking about like. he's calling in his jail and he's like,

I just need the tapes. I just need the. tapes for my toupe. And he's got like. little latches. Oh my god. >> When you find out about the toupe. though, it's actually the most sad sad. tragic story. I mean, this entire story. We haven't even gotten into all of it. yet. We're just literally tip of the. iceberg. >> Yes. >> That toupe, first of all, I didn't know. it was a toupe. >> I had no idea. >> Had no idea. But then when you look back. when they play old [ __ ] you can tell. >> there's a good separation. >> You can tell it's not even blended.

>> It's not. And I was looking at it the. other night when I was watching that and. like the back you can literally see it. like sticking up and I was like that I. just thought that was a cow lick. >> literally like nobody knew. And then. here's Eric with just luxurious curly. locks. >> Poor poor um Lyall got into the shingle. man. Um all right so moving forward I. just had we had to have a moment of. silence for the dupe. >> Really? We did. And I mean now if you. guys look at pictures of him, he has.

just gone ahead and shaved his head. >> Yeah. >> Good for you. >> Yeah. Yeah. Good for you. Add a boy. Thanks. Thanks for just embracing it. >> Yes. We love it. >> Cuz if he was still wearing the toupe. though, I wonder if they get out if he. wears the toupe. If he puts the toupe. back on. >> He's he's he's a bald just majestic. >> He's rocking it. >> Just a bald majestic unicorn. All right. >> All right. So, diving into the boys's life stories, and. this is where it all gets crazy and you.

get to learn everything. Yeah. Buckle. up. >> Jose, the father was born into a wealthy. family in 1944 in Havana, Cuba to an. elite family of doctors and lawyers. So, I mean, Jose was used to a certain. lifestyle. He grew up with money, but he. ended up losing everything during the. revolution. and him and his family. became refugees and had to flee from. Cuba and they came from Cuba to America. to rebuild.

Um, >> but rebuilding at that kind of stature, you're kind of already starting a little. level up like. >> Yeah. I mean, it depends. Did his. parents put money away? Did they have. like a little nest or did they really. come here with nothing and have to start. from the ground up? >> It Yeah, but you still have, >> you know, you're going to be able to. utilize those in some way. >> Yeah. Eric had said that his father had. this unstoppable drive that you were. either afraid of or pulled in by. >> I feel like that's me. >> Yeah. >> I feel like I'm just like you either.

like it or you don't. I understand how. it feels to like be a hard worker, you. know, and like just want to accomplish. it because. >> sometimes I just want to turn it off. Sometimes I'm just like let's let me. just turn off my brain. But like that's. not how that works. >> Literally. >> I work on my deathbed. It's crazy. >> Yeah, for sure. Kitty Menendez was. glamorous, good-looking, and fiery. They. said she wanted to be in radio, theater, or have a career. So, you know, here's. two people that are pretty driven, that.

know what they want, and somehow they. have crossed paths and decided to make a. family together. Jose became a huge. successful businessman by his 40s and he. was head of RCA records and Herz as well. as managing Manudo who later on there is. a documentary that's actually on. Netflix right now. I think it's Netflix. Peacock right now where the lead singer. of Manudo says that Jose Menendez did. something to him too. I can't speak on.

it. I haven't seen that documentary but. I definitely want to watch it. So, I. mean, this is part for the course. And. you have to understand like there's so. much abuse here that has had witnesses. and. everything still panned out the way it. did. So, from the outside, it was a. perfect all-American family. During this. court case and trial, Dr. Ozil takes the. stand as well as Judelon. And the minute. those two hit the stand, it's aing. circus.

So, the Supreme Court had subpoenaed. Dr. Ozil's confessions from the boys. >> Mhm. >> And it was taking a lot longer than they. had planned on it taking. Um, so during. this time, that's whenever the boys were. accused of trying to escape. So that's. when they found the letter. And in the. letter, so in the 17page letter that. Lyall had written to Eric, Lyall was. telling Eric that revealing the six.

secrets of the family would be like his. family all over again. And he didn't. want to do that. >> Yeah. >> And Eric was supposed to destroy the. letter, but because he didn't, prosecution now had hard evidence of a. confession written by Lyall. So even though they were waiting on Dr. Oziel's tapes, they now had what they. needed to convict the boys. But from the. beginning, the boys never claimed. innocence. >> No, they didn't. >> They didn't at all. But they still. self-defense. >> Yeah. But still in court had to prove.

what type of it was. So just so you guys. understand, they did not come into this. being like, "Oh, we're innocent. We. didn't do it. The mob still did it." No. These boys literally Yep. We did it. >> Yes. We did it, but we did it because of. this. >> Yes. So this whole trial is based on. what type A this is. >> Yeah. Eric has gone on to record to say, "I felt terrible because my brother was. expressing his pain and it was so dear. to him that I just I couldn't throw away. the letter and in return it helped.

convict them." But not realizing that it. was actually what is going to save them, you know, like I know it's taken 30ome. years, but that letter right there is. the reason why these. boys are getting so much love and. compassion. >> Yes. Yes, it's their truth. >> And I, you know, I had in my notes here, I just said, could you imagine being. accused of parents for money when you're. harboring these horrific secrets and. you're both still not saying anything as.

you're being tried for the of your. parents? Like, that's just crazy. That's just. crazy to me. But. >> I can't believe they kept that in and. weren't going to talk about it. >> I know. But luckily enough, Leslie, Miss. Abramson, was aing gangster and she was. like, she's super smart and she acted. quick. She set the boys up with a. defense expert to start trying to pull. the real story of what had happened out. of the boys. >> So, enter in this defense expert who.

really needs these boys to open up and. talk about what would happen. >> You would think that in the first. session they would just just word vomit. Yeah. >> No, they did not. >> Of course not. >> They did not. The first session with the. defense expert did not go as planned. He. couldn't get anything out of Eric. because he didn't trust him because of. Dr. Ozil. >> Yep. >> So, poor little Eric, you know, just has. all these little secrets and, you know, just does not want to open up because. he's scared and doesn't trust anybody. >> Every man in his life has let him down,

>> literally. And then Lyall said that he. would have rather have lost the trial. than revisit what had happened, >> which I don't blame him. >> Yeah. No, poor Lyle. You know, like. every a lot of us sympathize with Eric. just because he's such a sweet little. baby and like Lyall puts on this tough. exterior, but at the same time, it's. like I think I'm a lot like Lyall, too. >> I see the pain in Lyle a lot more. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, it's just when you see. these boys cry on the stand, it is. heart-wrenching. >> And if you say that's fake, we have a. difference in opinion. >> Yeah, for sure. Eric wouldn't open up.

and kept saying how great of a man his. father was and wouldn't break. Like, so literally, you're sitting in. front of def a defense expert who's. going to save your ass if you just start. talking and you're telling him that your. dad is a great man. Like, tell me that's. not programming. >> PTSD. >> programming though, too. Because, you. know, Jose drilled that into their. heads. You know, >> he literally he still feared for his. life even though his abuser was gone. >> Yeah. No, it's just it's so sad. And.

that right there shows severe trauma. >> Yes. That the fact that people couldn't. see that is beyond me. >> Yeah. So, they started calling family. and family doctors in as witnesses. because the boys just would not open up. >> Mhm. >> And we're going to play a lot of clips. for you. I really think this is a. different podcast um than what we. normally do. So, we want you to hear it. from these people's own words um instead. of me quoting them because I really.

think that it's more um. uh for you to just hear. is so important to me because, you know, me saying it, you don't get to hear the. the emotion that's coming from these. people. But just to sum it up before we. go into all these clips is so they all. testified about physical abuse, abuse, emotion. Okay. Chicago. >> Yeah. It's. >> like a bad cat. >> It's terrible. It sounds like Busy. >> He did that in the pool area the other.

day and everyone was like, "I've never. known he could bark.". >> He barks loud and deep. >> All right. Go ahead. >> All right. They all testified about. physical abuse, abuse, emotional abuse. All witnesses of what these boys had. gone through with horrific stories. And. yet nobody did anything to ever help. those boys until now that their parents. were already. >> Mhm. >> Which to me it's like, okay, maybe they. everybody was scared of Jose and just. didn't want to rock the boat. But at the. same time, I'm sorry, but if I know my.

little niece or my little nephew is. getting hurt, I'm going to step up and. I'll take that kid myself. Fight me for. it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Absolutely. >> No, there's no way. You don't just. >> Yeah. I in my head I'm like also even if. they tried. I I don't feel like those boys would. have willingly gone. >> Yeah. Yeah. True. That's a good point. too. The only person who had anything nice to. say about Jose Mendez was his secretary.

and that's probably because he wasing. >> Yeah. Exactly. Allegedly. >> Absolutely. You don't you do not have. this man's back. [ __ ] And if you do, he. either like owes you money or was. [ __ ] you down. >> They couldn't find one character witness. to say he was a good a good human. >> That just shows. gross. >> So, starting out with the test with the. the testimonies of the people who came. on, there was an aunt that testified. that at 2 years old, Jose would hang the.

young boys from a super high bar until. they couldn't hang anymore. So, like. imagine being 2 years old, being put up. on this bar, and you're just sitting. there being hung. You have no muscle. You have no like. nothing. And when the boys would start. crying, he would beat them. He would hit. them until and tell them like, "Why are. you crying? Stop crying and I'll let you. down." And then would hit them, do it. again, put them back. He. >> might cry during this podcast. >> No, literally like And this is at 2. years old, you know.

Um, and then he so he would do that to. Eric and then he would do that to Lyall. and Lyall wouldn't cry, so he would pin. the boys against each other. So Lyall. always had to be the tough one, you. know. So he would be like, "Oh, Eric, why can't you be like your brother?" You. know, and like just literally just bate. these. And this is at two and three. years old or however far apart they are. So um, the first cousin who actually has. passed away, his name is Andy Kano. He. went on the stand and he talks about how. he found a jar of Vaseline in.

13-year-old Eric's room. And we're going. to hear that testimony now. >> I believe I was around 11 years old. It's the best I can do. >> Okay. So, if you're 11, then Eric's. about 13 1/2 to 14, >> right? When we went back to his room, I. remember seeing uh a jar of Vaseline. What? I didn't know what it was used for. or what it was then, but I figured it. was a type of ointment that you put on. scratches and so on. >> Okay. So, did you did you try to use it.

for your scratch? >> I picked it up and Eric immediately told. me to put it back down. >> Okay. Did he say anything else about it? >> No, he didn't. He just said, "Don't. touch it.". >> Well, did you explain why you wanted to. use it? >> Yes. I told him I was just going to put. it on my scratch. And did he tell you. anything about that? >> Yeah, he said that's not what it's for. Uh he was actually trying to find out if. any of these massages were normal. And I.

my response to him was that I wouldn't. know. I didn't have a father around. My. parents were divorced then. Well, he. told me his father was massaging his. dick. >> And he used that word. >> Yes, he did. knew from uh recent talks. with Eric that he was suic. and that's what I was worried about. I. was worrying about him and uh I remember. uh one time on the airplane he locked. himself in the bathroom for about an. hour. It seemed to me like an hour. I.

was waiting and waiting and waiting for. him to come out and I went and knocked. because I was very worried about what he. might have done in that bathroom. >> Did you believe at that time that he was. having a guilty conscience about his. parents? I didn't believe anything. I. just believed that I was very worried. about him. >> Your uh cousin was a good friend of. yours, right? >> Yes, he was. And is. >> So, this is just goes to show people knew. about this. >> Yeah. This is this is just the.

beginning. So, >> you know, and it's a kid that knows. about it, too, which makes me feel bad. for all the people he did confess this. to because they don't know how to handle. that. >> Yeah. So this is his cousin and what. he's talking about is Eric confessed to. him that his dad was massaging his and. with and with the Vaseline that was in. his room. >> This is being testified in court. >> You know, Eric's how old did he say 13. >> right now? So they don't even know how. long this abuse has been going on. They.

just literally knew bits and pieces. Yeah. Next up is Lyall and Eric's aunt. who is talking about the signs of. abuse and she's testifying in front of. the courtroom for everybody to hear. >> Well, I had to go to Kitty and Jose's. room because it then got to be very. late. It was going, it was originally. like around 600 6:30 and it now was. getting on to be 7:30, 8:00 and I was. extremely hungry. It's been a long day. and I knocked on Kitty's door of their.

room and Kitty was in the room but there. was no Jose and she said that he was. down in Eric's room. >> Did Eric have a room in the same hotel? >> Yes, he did. If I can remember right, it. was like about two to three rooms down. from their room. >> Okay. So, she told you that Jose's in. Eric's room, >> correct? >> What happened then? >> She then said that we had to wait until. Jose came out of Eric's room before we. could go to dinner. So, >> did you wait in her room or return to. your room? No, I went back to my room. >> And did you subsequently get information.

that Jose was now back? >> What had happened was I had to go there. one more time. I I went back to her room. and said, "You know, Kitty, it's really. getting very late. Why don't we just go. down to eat?" And she said, "No, no, it'll only be a few more moments. Jose. should be coming out of his room.". >> And how much time before Jose did come. out of Eric's room? >> If I can remember right, it was like. around 8:30, a4 to 9. >> And what happened then? We then were walking down the hallway. and. >> you say we. >> Oh, I'm sorry. It was uh myself, Brian,

and Jose, the four of us. And what. happened then was we said we would like. to go in and see Eric to at least tell. him that we thought the game was very. well. We were sorry that he lost. Jose. made fun of that, but as we were there. in front of the room, he said, "Well, okay. Eric is in his room and he will. not be coming to dinner with us.". >> So, he opened the room and as. >> Who opened the room? Jose did. >> he had a key? >> Yes. Mhm. And when he opened the room, he we looked in and and it was a short.

hallway like you would have like in a. Holiday Inn or something like that. We. then I looked in the room and it was. very dimly lit and Eric was in bed. >> How did he look? >> He looked very sad and it you could tell. something was wrong with him. Okay. He. didn't want to speak to us and um I was. going to go over and give him a hug and. I was told that I shouldn't do that, that Eric just didn't want people to hug. him. So, this is an aunt testifying that.

she's witnessing weird behaviors. And. apparently, you know, from a very young age, these. boys were allowed to be alone with their. dad, locked on whatever floor he decided. to choose. And Kitty, the mother, would. make sure that nobody went on the floors. and would never go in the rooms to see. what Jose was doing with these boys. The mom knew. >> Of course, the mom knew.

>> The mom knew. >> The mom is a scallywag. It's just. disgusting what she's allowed these boys. to to have to go through. >> Yes. >> There's just so much. It's just It's. just really, really terrible. Um, so one of the boys cousins testified. that he found a container of human feces. under Lyall's bed. Lyall explained to. him that he would be too scared to go to. the bathroom. Sometimes when he was. being punished, he wouldn't be allowed. to leave his room to go. He also wet the. bed until his very late teen years,

which is a very, very big sign of abuse. >> Huge sign of abuse with the bed wedding. >> Eric was from around the ages of 6 years. old all the way up until he was 18 by. Jose. His family witnessed how he became. extremely distressed at any meal that he. ate when he couldn't eat lemon or. ketchup with it. He put lemon and. ketchup on his food as he found it. diminished the taste of his father's. that he would be made to.

This makes me want to cry. >> Is that not insane? >> It makes me want to cry because. the fact that these boys have had to. live an entire life behind bars but had. already lived in their own personal hell. is beyond me. It's it's disgusting. I mean, so Lyall was also from the time. he was six until I believe 14. So Jose.

started both of the boys around 6 years. old. For some reason, it stopped with. Lyall. And I think it's because Lyall. put up a fight. >> Yeah. >> I think he would be scared that Lyall. would say something. Eric was so much. more of like someone he could dominate. and and Lyall was just so hard-headed. that if he continued to do that, I bet. you ly would have said something. >> Yeah, absolutely. Family members testify that when Jose. was with one or both of the boys in the.

bedroom or in the shower with them, you. were not under any circumstances allowed. on the same floor of the house with. them. You weren't allowed to check what. was going on and no one was allowed to. see the boys. Straight after one of the. family members tried to tell the boy's. mother, Kitty, what was going on and it. turns out she knew the entire time and. Kitty called her a liar. This woman. Kitty is just a nightmare. Let's talk. about Kitty really quick because there. is a bunch of things that I would like. to say about Kitty that I have. Kitty.

literally let these boys just get. because she was literally. she hated her sons. She has gone on. record um to therapists and said she. feels like her sons ruined her life. Um. she hated being a mother. She didn't. like it. She was physically and abusive. with the boys also. And here's a couple.

of facts about Kitty. So, Kitty didn't. just enable what was happening to her. sons, but she participated in their. abuse, both f both physically and she. had Lyall sleep in the same bed as her. um and had him touch her till he was the. age of 13. What the. >> sometimes further than that age, her own. son touching her inappropriately. anywhere. And Lyall, while recounting. the events in trial, testified she loved. it.

>> That is so sick. That. >> like how do you not you got one parent. that's a complete just sa Satanist like. just disgusting devil. Yes. >> But then you've got the wife who's a. devil too. Like how does that work that. you find two pieces of [ __ ] that just. fall in love with each other? >> I mean they are together because they're. the same human. Ugh. >> It is disgusting that anyone anyone at. all would do anything involving a child,

let alone your own child. >> Yeah. On several accounts, she told people, most notably her therapist, she hated. her children. They ruined her life, happiness, and her marriage. She would. lock them in cupboards to do their. homework because they were terrible in. school due to their abuse, and wouldn't. give them food or water for hours. The abuse just keeps getting worse and. worse. We're like just at the beginning of this. and like if you guys by the end of this.

don't understand like why we feel the. way we feel, >> it's crazy to me. >> Lyall also testified that his mother. would beat him, kick him, and drag him. around by his hair considering he was. already losing his hair due to immense. stress at such a young age. So that is. why Lyall had to wear a toupe because of. all the abuse that was going on in the. house. It was stressing him out that. even in high school. He was in ninth. grade losing his hair because he was so. stressed out because he was. internalizing so much.

>> Mhm. >> Eric testified that his mother violated. him and would often walk around the. house naked or semi- naked in his. presence when Jose or Lyall wasn't. around. Gross, man. >> It's so disgusting. like you're getting. by your father and then your mom's doing. too. >> I don't like it. Not only did they bring. forward family members who are like, "Hey, this is what we have personally. witnessed in all of this." Um, we also. had a doctor testify that 7-year-old.

Eric had a medical record of SA. So, >> this had already been looked into and no. one helped him. >> Yeah. There was a doctor that literally. said the back of Was it Eric's throat or. Lyles? Eric. Yeah. The back of Eric's. throat was injured so badly that it. could have only been done by. abuse. Like why did nobody step in right. then and take those kids? >> And this doctor went on trial for these.

boys and admitted this and showed like. pro. Like that is proof. >> Awful. Jose ruled with an iron fist. He. literally kept that house so scared that. even one time he the family dog. He cut. the dog's head off and put the dog's. head in a freezer and let Lyall and Eric. see this dog's head in their freezer. every day to just scare them and. intimidate them and to teach them a. lesson. Because like we talk about this.

like these boys being still. so willing to protect their dad's honor. Imagine having your life threatened that. much that you are literally afraid to. live and like. that. I don't know that just these boys. literally became stuck. >> No, they they were literally just beaten. little puppies. Yes. And you know, you. you raise a child in the jungle, they're.

going to act like a monkey, right? >> Like these. kids never had childhoods. They. literally were getting and by age six. and that's all they knew. It got to the. point where Eric liked it. Yes. >> Because he didn't know that it was. wrong. >> Yes. >> And he testifies that and you guys will. hear that from his own mouth. >> Mhm. >> You know, like it's disgusting. If you. literally birth a child and tell it that. the sky is purple, >> they're going to believe you. >> They are going to until the day they die.

probably tell everyone around them, "No, that sky is purple. You guys are the. crazy ones. You guys think it's blue. I. know it's purple.". >> Yeah. My mom and dad told me so. >> Yeah. When they did the search of the. house, um, Jose would take naked photos. of both of them and would crop their. faces out. So, there would only be. pictures of them from the neck down. And. he kept those photos in their home. And. the mom's kitty's handwriting was found.

on the front of the envelope that they. were kept in. It's so bad. It's just so bad. Like all. of it is just so disgusting, dude. So. here's the doctor testifying um about. Eric having medical record of abuse. >> Dr. English, have you had access to. certain medical records of Eric Mendez? >> Yes. >> Did you see any indication in Eric.

Mendez's medical records of uh an injury. to his throat area? Yes. The. >> document indicate that there was an. injury to the throat of Eric Mendez. sometime in 1977. >> Yes. The direct quote is posterior. fairings, ubvula and soft pallet. >> The report of injury in that medical. record. Could that be caused by child in. your opinion? >> Yes. >> Do you have any opinion as to what type.

of child could have resulted in that. particular complaint? >> Uh oral culation. That's a doctor on the. stand confirming that this little boy. has an injury from a penis in the back. of his throat. >> Yes. No one thinks to even bat an eye at. that. It's just it's so frustrating. This entire case is beyond. frustrating because nobody helped these. boys. >> The judicial system failed him. His.

family failed them. Everybody failed. these boys. And when we get to the the. jury and how like this trial goes on, it. makes me sick to my stomach to see how. they voted within the trial. And like. you were literally given all of this. evidence. There's more. We're like, we're still getting into it, you guys. >> There's so much. And like we're not even. going to be able to cover how much. evidence. Like if you like, >> if you have not already, go down this.

wormhole. >> Yes, please do. >> It's crazy. >> Please do. So, next we're going to hear. from Eric talking about beinged by his. father. >> I hid from him. I uh I put cinnamon in. uh his drinks and his coffee and his. tea. >> Why did you put cinnamon in his drinks? >> Well, at the time, uh I was in seventh grade. and I had a group of kids uh friends of. mine that were really involved. They. weren't involved, but they talked a lot.

about. and it made me very uncomfortable. Um, so I would sort of shy away and just. listen. And. >> what did you hear that led to putting. cinnamon in your father's drinks, if. anything? >> I heard that it uh made it taste better. >> It made what taste better? >> Uh, his semen. >> And so you did it so it would taste. better? >> Yes. Now, was it at some point after you. were 11 years old that you developed a.

rather peculiar eating habit? >> Yes. >> Did you think it was peculiar? >> No. >> Okay. That's my work. >> Yes. >> What did you do? >> I uh I used a lot of lemon in my food. >> And what do you mean by used a lot of. lemon? What are we talking about here? Well, in essence, I would put the lemon. in the bowl first and then put whatever. I was going to put in the bowl. Um, like. fish or rice or whatever. Sometimes I'd.

just pour the lemon over the food if it. was already on the plate. But otherwise, I would I would just dry my food in. lemon. all of your food, >> soup, the meat, chicken, >> the fish, the rice, uh pretty much. uh everything. >> So, would you consume a large quantity. of lemon every week? >> Every day. >> And. when you're eating all this lemon, did.

you notice it had any effect on your. sense of taste? >> Yes. >> What would happen? Uh, I wouldn't taste as much. >> You wouldn't taste as much of your food. >> I did it for a specific purpose, but uh. it didn't it didn't seem to work all. that well. >> What was the purpose for which you were. doing it? >> So that I wouldn't have to taste um uh. my dad's uh. >> Okay. Uh let me ask you something. Where.

did the lemon come from? Did you go and. buy it for yourself? >> The idea where the idea come from? No. No. Where did the actual lemon that. you're putting on everything come from? >> Oh, from my mother. >> And would your mother uh did she ever. run out of lemon? >> Yes. >> And would she be concerned about that? >> Yes. >> So, did she make it a point of trying to. always keep you supplied with lemon? >> She kept stocks of lemon. >> Mother ever ask you why you were. drowning all of your food in lemon?

>> No. It was a big joke in the family um. and the relatives and so on, but no one. ever asked me why. She never asked you. why. >> No. >> Lord, >> it's terrible. Like, it's really just. terrible what these kids have gone. through. >> I just couldn't imagine knowing that my. sons are literally drowning their food. in lemon because they don't want to. swallow my husband's [ __ ].

You know, she knew. Oh, she absolutely. knew. There's nothing in my mind that. would ever tell me that she didn't know. exactly what was going on. >> Here's Lyall talking about the abuse in. his words. >> My mother was mostly the one that uh. would explode about the bed wedding or. punish me about the bed wedding. Sometimes she would rub my face in the. sheets. She'd refuse to change the. sheets and I'd sleep on the floor. >> Until how old? >> 14. say you're [ __ ] like your brother.

He'd just be totally disgusted. Didn't. want to talk to me. Um sometimes we'd skip practices if I. was my mom had said that I wet my dad. and I would get beaten for it. >> Were you ever taken to a doctor? No, I was very embarrassed and I believe. that it was a big flaw.

and uh. I was trying desperately to not do it. We were in the kitchen one morning and. he started getting Lyall started getting. yelled at by Jose and Kitty saying he. was a [ __ ] and a baby because he had. wet his bed and and he he started being. called. They were calling him names and. and getting mad at him. That's all I know. I left. >> Why'd you leave?

>> Why stay? I went downstairs to my room. >> What did L look like? scared. >> How old were you when you started. noticing that you were losing some hair? >> I think 14. >> And did you did some people tease you. about it? >> Yes. >> And who is it that teased you about it? >> Uh, mostly tennis coach.

Um, occasionally someone at school would say. something about it. I was losing very. little hair, but still was. disturbing to me. >> Did you get a hairpiece then? >> Yes. >> And are you wearing it today? >> Yes. >> So, that was Lyall talking about the. abuse and then they put in another. family member who had witnessed the. abuse also. I mean, like this, we're. talking like hours and hours and hours. of testimony and people and family.

members who. literally are coming forward saying, "Yes, these boys are not lying." Like, these are all situations that have. happened. So, the courts had all of this. >> confessions of them from from them. You. had doctors, you had relatives, you had. everyone you could possibly imagine, therapists, and still. these somehow jurors are looking at it. with their preconceived notions and just.

making these decisions based off of what. how they felt personally. >> Yeah. >> It's just crazy. Kitty actually went on. record um to her therapist as saying. that she was hiding sick and dark family. secrets. Like this is the mother saying. this to therapists and still nobody. helped them. Kitty ripped off Ly's. hairpiece in front of Eric who didn't. even know that he had one. He had it to.

cover his the fact that his hair had. been falling out. So, like this family. thrived on humiliation and making these. boys, just breaking them down, making. them feel bad. Like, Eric didn't even. know that Lyall was losing his hair. And. >> Kitty rips it off in front of Eric to. just humiliate and embarrass. >> They treated them like dogs. >> Yeah. No, it's I mean, I feel like. they're treating the people treat dogs. better than these children, you know? >> They treated them like these kids didn't.

have emotions. We're going to play one. more thing of Eric um talking about the. abuse on stand and then if you want to. keep deep diving, you are more than. welcome to. There's just so there's so. little time and so much. >> all of this is in that new series that. just dropped on Netflix. So if you guys. want to watch the actual tapes of the. courtroom, they just put all of it on. Netflix. I highly, highly, highly. recommend that you go watch that. >> Yeah, absolutely. So this will be the. last one. >> She would say, "What are you gay?" or.

are you not man enough for her? Uh are. you just not you're just not a man. enough person to be with her? Is is this. what's is this what your problem is? She. would really uh. uh get down on me. >> So she gave you the impression that she. questioned whether or not you were gay? >> Yes. >> Mr. Mendez, did you ever question in. your mind whether or not you were gay? >> Yes. >> And why was that, if you know? That's because I uh I didn't.

understand what was happening with my. father. And. >> what do you mean you didn't understand. it. >> in uh California? It it uh I didn't understand why it. didn't hurt uh so much and uh anymore. And. I didn't understand how. I just felt like I was having more. friends because I had a car and I was.

able to play tennis with them and I was. a little bit more independent and. I felt like I was supposed to be. stronger and. I would still um be doing this with dad. and I wouldn't I wouldn't scream at him. or fight back with him cuz I was afraid. But I I didn't I still thought I should. have and I would still be able to have. an orgasm. Uh.

>> okay. So those things those factors made. you think wonder if in fact maybe you. were gay. Maybe that's why this is. happening. Maybe that's why I don't. resist. Maybe that's why it doesn't. hurt. Is that what you mean? >> Yes. I didn't understand. And did did these concerns about whether. or not you were gay, did this bother. you? >> Yeah, it was on my mind a lot. I I uh it. bothered me. >> Did you think it was wrong for somebody. to be gay or was it just that you didn't.

know what you were? >> No, I didn't think I was wrong to think. I was uh. >> You didn't understand my question. Do. you think it's it was wrong for people. to be gay? >> No. So, what was it? >> It was just that I was confused and uh. was difficult for me and my mom made it. seem like. it was worse than death uh to be gay and. uh. and I I didn't think I was. I just I.

didn't know. I I really didn't. understand. I didn't. >> Did you like girls? >> Yes. >> Were you attracted to girls? >> Yes. And uh eventually did you have uh. intimate relationships with girls? >> Yes. You said your mom made it sound like the. worst thing in the world. Did your.

father make gay jokes? >> Yes. Did your father call you a particular. name associated uh a negative name for. >> Yeah, he called me a [ __ ]. >> Did he call you that a lot? >> Yeah, he either called me a [ __ ] or a. [ __ ] Um he used both of them. Uh he. he hated gay people. Um and he. absolutely re refused to uh accept that. what was happening between us. He just.

said that it wasn't uh any of that. He. hated that. >> Without naming him, is was there a. relative on your mother's side of the. family that was perceived by the family. as being gay? >> He was gay. >> Okay. >> Well, we didn't know that. We just felt. that he was. >> Okay. And how did your father talk about. or treat that particular individual? >> He ridiculed him, made fun of him, uh. talked a lot behind his back, would say. things like, "You don't want to be I.

don't want to say his name. You don't. want to be like this person. Uh uh he. would one time I remember Lyall bought. the same color and same same basically. the same type of shoe as this person was. wearing and he made fun of Lyall for the. longest time for it. >> for getting the same kind of shoes as. the relative. >> Yeah. Now, what did you think when your father.

who is having you is taunting you with. being gay? >> I was real confused. Um, I didn't think. that what dad and I was doing was a gay. thing. I thought it was just what dad. and I was doing. And uh but it made me. real confused because it didn't hurt. like I thought it should anymore. And so.

I didn't understand. >> When your father called you [ __ ] did. you ever answer him back in your head? >> Yes. >> What did you say? >> I said, "Well, then what the hell are. you?". >> So this poor kid doesn't even know if. he's gay or not because he's been. getting so much by his father since he. was 6 years old. >> Yeah. This. in all of this, you guys, they not only. were forced to do ungodly things to. their father, their father was doing. ungodly things to them. And this.

included, you know, touching them down. there and also forcing them to shove. things and being sodomized. >> And it was with multiple different. things. So, not only was they both of. them were receiving such trauma from. their father, forcing them to put things. in there, forcing them to do things to. them that bio then went on to do the. same thing to Eric, which he testifies.

about that on the stand. Um, and he. talks about it and there's so much where. Lyall holds it together, but the minute. he talks about what he did to his. brother, he breaks down crying and is. and says very audibly, "I'm so sorry.". And Eric said that was the first time. that his brother ever apologized to him. You can also see in that video Eric just. like biting onto his knuckle just with. all his might. And it is so sad to watch. because you can watch the true pain in. both of them come out. Um that to me was.

like the breaking point of the trial. It. truly to me he they both showed how. human they were. >> Yeah. I mean these boys really bared. their souls, dude. Like. >> they were just like look that weed up. Yeah. Majorly. But this is why we up. >> Mhm. >> Eric has gone on to say in an interview. that he misses his mother and wishes. that he would not have her. He craves. that affection and love that he wanted. from his mother. so badly and he still.

wishes he could sit down with her and. have a conversation. >> Wow. >> Even after all the abuse that she's put. him through, >> he still just wants his mommy. >> They're lost little babies. Both of them. never received any type of love from. anyone. >> They know what love is like. >> They have no idea what love is like. >> They don't. >> at all. And it's so sad. >> No, it's so so sad. And um they Eric. also says that it's more difficult with. his father. Lyall also testified emotionally that.

the abuse started at six years old. As. Lyall testified, Eric starts balling. Lyall said he told his mother about the. abuse and her reply was, "He has to. punish you when think when you do bad. things.". I hope Kitty Mendez is rotting in hell. >> Absolutely. You are justifying the. actions of your sick, monstrous husband. >> You're [ __ ] disgusting, lady. >> You're just as awful as he is. >> No, you're disgusting. He then goes on. to talk about how he started abusing.

Eric because of what was being done to. him when when Lyall reveals this moment. too. If you guys go watch the clip, the. judge's face during this like I don't. know how the judge wasn't moved to tears. because he his face was just like like. he could not soak in all of that these. boys had been through, you know. Anyways, so when Lyall did apologize to. Eric on the stand, the entire courthouse. was crying, too. >> Yeah. You can't I literally you could.

hear a pin drop. Like. >> I got so emotional at that point. >> And remember, this is all televised. >> So the world is watching this happen to. these boys. So Eric had also tried to. tell Jose to stop, you know, him. And. Jose threatened Eric with a knife and. told him that he would if he told. anybody or if the between them stopped. Eric also tried to leave and go to. college. He was like, "Yeah, this is my.

out. I'm going to finally get to go to. Stanford. I'm going to be away from my. dad." And Jose said, "Absolutely not. You're going to go to UCLA and you're. going to live in this house." Because. like I believe like Jose was like in. love with Eric. >> Yeah. And that probably explains why the. abuse went on for so long. Again, that. goes back to what I said earlier is he. felt like he had control over Eric while. years before he had sort of lost control. of Lyall. >> Yes. So, you guys need to keep in mind. that the deaths happened when Eric was.

18. >> Mhm. And. the reason why all these the reason why. these happened was because Lyall had no. idea that Eric was still beinged. >> Yes. >> Lyall thought that it had stopped just. like it had stopped for him. And this is. a family that clearly has zero. communication with each other. >> And Lyall found out that it was. happening. And when he found out that it. was happening, he went to his dad and. confronted his dad and said, "If you.

don't stop, I'm going to go to the. police." And Jose looked at him and. said, "You listen to me. What I do with. my son is none of your business." And so. Lyall went to Kitty and was like, "Hey, do you know that this is still going. on?" And Kitty goes, "What do you think? I'm stupid.". Like these boys had nobody to protect. them, bro. >> Nobody. >> Nobody. Nobody would help them. So Lyall testified that they parents. because the dad would not stop Eric and.

they feared that the father would try to. them because they had confronted them. >> Yes. >> Confronted him. >> They say that they went and got these. guns out of protection because they knew. at any point. >> Jose was just going to lose. >> I mean the dude cut a dog's head off and. put it in a fridge. >> They knifed to his son's neck. literally. >> like. >> he's put stuff inside of them. >> Of course, they're going to fear for. their lives. >> Yeah. Like they're totally scared of.

them. And I what had sealed the deal was. Kitty and Jose invited Eric and them out. onto a yacht and they couldn't. understand like why they were being. forced to go out on this yacht. And this. entire trip they thought that they were. going to be. >> they are so up in the minds. >> that they have totally convinced. themselves and they could maybe not be. wrong. >> These two could have hated their. children their whole lives that they. truly could have been planning we don't.

know to like maybe off them in an. accident on the boat. >> Yep. >> Nobody actually knows. >> Here it is in their own words. >> Nothing about that trip made sense. Shouldn't have been out there. >> Well, the story was that Mr. Menendez. had a big deal that had gone through and. he was going to go shark. They wanted to. >> Yeah. I think they definitely. had bad intentions for sure. Absolutely. >> This goes back to I think he feared. Lyall. >> Yeah. >> I think the dad began to fear Lyall and. I believe that the. >> Lyall's a grown man at this time. Can.

beat the out of him. I'm sure. >> Yes. And I I know that there was enough. evidence that he truly believed that he. would his whole reputation and. everything he had would be lost if Lyall. was to come forward. Also, during trial, they submitted um an essay that Eric had. written at 14 about somebody who. children. and they still overlooked that. I mean, like there's just the evidence is just. crazy. It's really sad that.

moving forward with this case and. everything after all of the evidence. that anyone could think any different of. both of these boys. Even for them to be. like, "Oh, they were acting. Oh, they. were this." The evidence is there. >> How could you ever assume that someone's. cry had crocodile tears? That was. another thing you saw. A lot of people. kept saying, "Oh, the boys have. crocodile tears." And I'm like, yeah, maybe they already cried out all their. tears from like the lifelong hell that.

they just lived. >> I don't think they were crocodile tears. >> And when it finally broke, I think the. breaking point to me was him saying. sorry. Those were like the truest. emotions I'd ever seen out of both of. them. >> No, all of it. There was no crocodile. tears. You could definitely see these. boys were in such pain, dude. Like just. so sad. So, um, you guys just heard him. talk about the fishing trip and how that. scared the [ __ ] out of them, which is. that's what prompted them to go buy the. guns to protect themselves because if. Jose came in the room, Lyall said he was.

going to blow Jose's head off. Yeah. >> If he tried to hurt him. >> So, the night of the. >> Jose came home and told Eric to go. upstairs and wait for him. And they. thought that they were going to be. >> because in the bedroom. Yeah. Because. Jose came in, he was in a mood. told. Eric to go upstairs and Lyall just. snapped. He literally snapped and. freaked out. He's already stressed out. because his dad, he just found out his. dad's still molesting his brother. You. know, Jose told him to go himself and.

then they took him out on this boat. I. think Lyall just napped. He ran upstairs. to Eric's room and said, "This is it. We're going to do it right now." And. Eric was ready. Eric went and grabbed. his gun, too. And then they went. downstairs and just blew their parents. away, dude. Yeah. >> And you know, after learning everything. that has happened with these boys, I. don't blame them. >> I don't blame them at all. >> Yeah. I don't blame them at all. >> I would do the same damn thing.

>> So, after all that, after the families, the doctors, the letters, everybody. corroborating every bit of evidence that. these boys have said and poured their. hearts out. The jury is locked and it's declared a. mistrial. Now, this is what pisses me. This pisses me off more than anything. I. learned in researching this that it was. split down the middle that when they. asked if, you know, was it this or it.

was that, all of the men in the room. rose their freaking hands. That makes. and and they said maybe like one woman. or something. The rest were all women. who were like, "Absolutely not.". >> Yeah. >> The fact that those men in that room. could not believe that a man could do. this to another man goes to show how. heartless. >> it was. >> They were saying abuse isn't an excuse.

to to. >> what? Let me stick stuff off all of your. butts. >> Yeah. for 10 years, 12 years. Like, and. that and saw your dog's head off on top. of getting your ass beat, on top of. getting your face rubbed in urine. Like, these boys lived in a house of horrors. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> And you're going to say that that's not. an excuse? >> Yeah. >> Are you kidding me? And it then all the. women the reason this became a mistrial. is because they truly sat there and. argued and argued this because the women.

believed that these boys did not deserve. this. >> Yeah. So, it goes to mistrial after and they. deliberated for what? 30 days? >> No. Was it 30? I thought it was five. >> No. >> Oh, was it 30 days? >> I'm pretty sure it was. We're going to. fact check this. Pretty sure it was like. a month. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, you know, they uh were. deadlocked, mistrial, and then now we. move on to the second trial. And this is. where the boys get literally I don't. want to use the terminology they get.

literally. >> there's no other word that you can use. like they literally got because. >> the OJ Simpson trial OJ during all of. this the boys get the mistrial and then. right after that OJ goes on that chase. So he's in the in this chase he's in the. media. It's a media circus. the boys. have been forgotten about, whatever. And.

oop, sorry. It's okay. Are you all. right? I'm fine. So, um, the second trial begins 8 days after. the OJ Simpson trial, the boys never stood a chance. >> No. >> Literally, >> in both cases, >> in both cases, because OJ had just. gotten acquitted and the world was. pissed off. The world was in divide at. this point. >> Yes. Yeah. Well, I mean, but they were. really pissed off there. Nobody really. believed OJ didn't do it.

>> No. Exactly. And like I feel like. whoever got this. case knew it was going to be just as. popular as the OJ case, if not more. Well, that's where they got also is the. judge ruled that the abuse excuse would. not be allowed in this trial because the. boys weren't women. So, battered women. syndrome couldn't be used as an excuse.

So, none of the abuse, none of the. testimonies from the families, none of. anything that was submitted in the last. trial, all of it, nothing could be. submitted into this trial. Out. Completely out. and no cameras. >> And the jury that they chose had just. witnessed and gone through the previous. trial, so they already know everything. It's crazy to me. >> I just so mad, >> literally. So they're they decided to.

not make it a media circus. The boys. couldn't submit everything that was. stacked against them. and they went in. and it was literally. >> October 1995. A retrial of the brothers begins with. one jury. This time around, much of the. defense evidence about abuse is. excluded. March 1996, the jury convicts both. brothers of first-degree murder. >> 12 to zero. >> 12 to zero. You can't tell me that if they knew.

everything that was going on like in. that household that there wasn't there. wasn't some one person with a heart. >> Not one person. Did they choose all 12. men? Like. >> like. >> get out of here. >> It's just crazy. And then July of 1996, the brothers are sentenced to life in. prison without the possibility of. parole. So that my friends is the trial. as how the boys got convicted, how they. are where they are today, and why.

they've served what, 34 to 38 years. >> Yes. Yes. >> In prison. And so now, you know, May of. 2023, the Peacock docu series Menendez and. Manudo, Boys Betrayed, a former member. of the boy band Manudo said in a sworn. affidavit that he was Joseé Menendez. when he was about 14. But like at least. he's coming out now and that helps the. boys tremendously. >> It does. And I feel like because of all. of you guys deep diving into this like.

we have. >> y. >> they are being seen in such a different. light. >> Yes. >> And it's fine if you don't agree with. us. All opinions are welcomed. But. >> this is how we feel about this. >> If I was them I probably would have done. it too. So since in lie of all the light. that's being shown on them, the. attorneys for the Menendez brother file. a habius petition asking the court to. reconsider the conviction and sentence. in light of new evidence from the Manudo.

band member and from a letter Eric wrote. about the abuse prior to theings. The attorney asked that the court either. vacate the brother's conviction and. sentence or permit discovery and an. evidentiary hearing in which they can. provide proof. the document says. So. during this time uh. that's when monsters September 2024. Netflix releases the true crime um drama.

Monsters Ly and Eric Menendez story a 9. episode series co-created by Ryan Murphy. about the show is really more interested. in talking about how monsters are made. as opposed to born Murphy said which. he's not lying no. >> these boys were made they had to be. monsters. They aren't monsters, but they. had to be monsters because they're not. monsters. They just did monstrous. things. >> Yes. >> You know, and I truly try to have that. opinion about anybody who has hurt.

somebody, but then when you have facts. like this about a case, you can see that. these boys really aren't monsters. >> These boys only got 6 years. >> Yeah. >> before being sed. >> And I'm sure they were still being. abused. They were getting caught. >> Yeah. At 2 years old, they were getting. >> They were already getting abused. >> Yeah. So, they've already been dealing. with physical abuse and all that. >> These boys didn't stand a chance ever. They never had a year of life. >> Yeah, for sure. >> I feel like the most these boys have. been able to live is in prison.

>> Yeah. >> Their life literally started the day. they their parents. >> Yeah. And in a statement released by. Eric um talking about the Ryan Murphy uh. Netflix docue series, he pretty much. states what we had said earlier. He said. he said um these horrible and blatant. lies. are taking us back to an era when the. prosecution built a narrative on a.

belief system that males were not abused. and that males experienced trauma. differently than women. Those awful lies. have been disrupted and exposed by. countless brave victims over the last. two decades who have been who have. broken through their personal shame and. bravely spoken out. So now Murphy shapes. his horrible narrative through violent. and appalling character portrayals of. Lyall and I and disheartening slander. So you know they don't agree with it. because Murphy.

did not show the empathy that he should. have and we talked about that earlier. Most definitely. Not saying he did a bad. job on it. Monsters is a fantastic. series. But the main main part of all of. this was that he left out the. humanization of those boys. >> Right. Absolutely. And now the good. news. October 5th, 2024, LA County. District Attorney tells CNN Jim Aosta. that he increasingly became concerned.

that it was critical that we reviewed. the new evidence put forth by the. defense. He noted that times had changed. regarding how the public and the courts. treat victims of sexual abuse. He said, and I quote, "There is no question that. our sensitivity to assault is much more. significant today. It has been clearly. established that both men and women can. be assaulted or boys and girls. I think. 35 years ago, cultural norms were a. little different. There is no question.

that a jury today would look at this. case probably very differently than a. jury did 35 years ago. He also notes. that the shows and films about the case. have had an impact. But for the. documentary, quite frankly, we probably. would not be talking at this point. He. said, "We may be talking later, but that. certainty has increased in the attention. by the public, and that's why we're. being very public about where we are.". So, a hearing on the Menendez brothers. petition is set for November 29th, baby.

>> Yes, we get to watch this unfold. >> Do you know that the world is going I. got goosebumps. The world is going to. celebrate when those boys walk out of. jail. >> Absolutely. Can we also talk about these. boys have become completely different. humans. >> Oh, so different. >> I want a painting. Can we talk about the. paint? >> Yeah. Which one paints? Lyall or Eric? I. forget. One of them paints like freaking. Picasso. >> One of them. Dang. I don't remember who. it was. I think it's Eric. And.

>> And Lyall got all the like scholarship. >> Yes. He went on to being like a. representative in like so many different. aspects and making a difference in other. people's lives. >> So, first off, I do want a painting. >> I want to paint Eric Menendez. I would. like a painting, please. >> Eric Mendez is the modernday Bob Ross. >> Literally, like and he paints so good. Like, it's crazy. Beautiful. >> You could just tell he puts his whole. entire life, his soul into it. But, >> and they even said like they never even. knew that he could draw. And like how.

freeing is that that you found something. so beautiful and being able to let your. emotions out in such a beautiful way? >> There's been rappers that have gone on. in interviews lately that have been. locked up with Eric and Lyall and they. said that they moved like G's in there. and like if it wasn't for them that they. literally would not be who they are. today because they were such good. examples for them. >> My goodness. Which they are together. now. >> They were and the boys were reunited. >> They did spend what 20 years apart? >> 20 something years apart. >> Yeah. A little over 20 years. They did.

spend apart in two separate prisons, but. here in the. >> after that letter was found, they split. them up, did not tell the boys that they. were getting split up, which did Barbara. um Walters interview and after that took. them and separated them in two different. um vans and they didn't know why until. they showed up at two different prisons. >> Yeah. >> So sad. But they are reunited. >> and they said that they are so happy to. be in one another's lives again. >> I feel like the boys have served their. time. I feel like they've done a life. sentence. 35 years, 38 years, that's a.

life sentence, you know, and I think. that like let them prove themselves that. they can be upstanding citizens and that. they can get out, be free men, and. change the world and change the be. advocates for abuse. Absolutely. You. know, show people that, hey, you can get. beaten, abused, locked up, get out and. still be something. >> They are going to make a difference in. this world. I think they're icons. I do. I can get I You guys will probably.

get mad at me for saying that, but they. literally have been in the limelight. since 1990 and they've done nothing but. progress. They've never regressed. They're not like Wade Wilson. They're. not like Wade Wilson out here talking. about on the phone toes trying to scam. people out of money. Like these men. actually changed their lives. >> That's iconic. >> They're changing other people's lives. >> What they did was wrong. Absolutely. But. they learned from it. And they did it. because they were. >> self-defense.

>> Not thinking in their right minds, dude. >> I really feel I feel like it was. self-defense. >> I feel like they split, you know? Like. it's like one of those splits where. you've just been abused for so long that. you just crack, dude. >> Yeah. Your fight or flight is literally. just raging. >> Yeah. Well, I can't wait to see these. boys get released. I'm so excited. I'm. just putting it in the air. That's why I. keep saying it. But how long was that. podcast time, eh? Uh, two almost two hours. >> Yay. So, we just did two hours of Eric.

and Ly. And there's and there's so much. more that you guys can dig. >> Watch all everything we've discussed. >> Like I said, we did not even touch the. tip of the iceberg with all the. testimony and stuff that's online. But. if you can really watch those tapes, man, it will change your mind. It will. pull at your heartstrings. And you know, I'm just happy that we are able to use. our platform to bring light to these. boys, too. So, like I said, Eric and. Lyall, you're always invited on the.

podcast. >> You got anything else to say? >> That's all. >> All right, guys. Thanks for tuning in. and we will see you guys next week. Bye.