Jacoby Shaddix | Dumb Blonde Podcast

Is this thing on? What's up you sexy. motherers? Welcome to another episode of. Dumb Blonde. Today we have the ultimate. rockstar Jacobe Shadex is in the house. Baby, >> what's up? What's up? What's good, >> dude? I've been trying to get you on. here forever. >> I know it's been a minute. >> What the hell? I'm glad we finally made. it happen. I'm super stoked,

>> dude. Me, too. I was like I was watching. you do everybody else's podcast and I. was like, why is he not coming on my. podcast? I know. I'm like, dude, put our. name in the hat. I want Jacobe on. And. the one reason why I wanted you on so. badly is because I honestly feel like. you are the true definition of a rock. star. >> because you take accountability, your. vulnerability, and your self-awareness. is top tier. I mean, sometimes I feel. like I'm like too too self-aware.

>> You know what I mean? I'm like. critiquing everything that's going. through my mind, every thought, every. decision, every move. But I think also. like that's been one of my gifts as well. is to like really take accountability, to be self-aware. And I think that's. really how I've grown and it's given me. an opportunity to have a career. I think. if I just kept rolling like a bull in a. china shop like I was when I first came. in the business, uh I don't think it. would have ended well. And so I think. just kind of having some of that clarity. has given me, you know, a shot to keep.

doing this thing. And I'm I mean I'm so. grateful. I've been in the games. We. started the band in 93. So it's like. I've been in it doing it for a long. time. And you know, I'm just grateful. that I could still be doing this and. still be making an impact and still be. touching people's lives through this. music. And you know, for you to say like. this cat's a rockstar, it's like you're. married to one of the best. You know. what I mean? So, means a lot. >> Yeah. No, I mean, real recognized, real, and that's why my husband loves you so. much, too, because you are just who you. are. But do you think that um you know,

the growth and evolving is what has kept. you in the game as long as you've been? >> Absolutely. >> Like, sincerely, if you I I went through. my party stages, too, back in the day. Hold on. Here's my husband. We have to. take this call. We have to do I got to. pop up right quick. >> Okay. I love you. Byebye. >> Okay. Bye. >> Yeah. I watched uh I watched his uh his. Rogan podcast. >> and he was talking about his whole. journey and I was I was so impressed. >> Yeah. >> I just I'm It's so awesome to see that.

>> just that miraculous change in him and. you know I'll be straight like he was. one of the guys I was like. >> is he going to make it through? >> Worried about. his wife. I was worried about him. even. like Marilyn Manson for a while when I. heard like he had like. >> switched things up and he was another. one of those guys I was like is he going. to make it out you know and it's just so. cool to like. >> see that transformation in people you. know I've experienced that in my own. life and. >> I get I get the struggle I get that just.

feeling like you're just stuck in this. like this this prison inside of. ourselves and. >> I think for me. >> I mean mine was like drinking you know. and it was it it it evolved into the. pills and and some of that, but I just. it was I just felt enslaved, like truly. in bondage to it. And so, you know, to. see people go through that. transformation, it's so powerful. And. it's like. >> what we can do with our lives. >> once we like shed th that old shell of.

ourselves. It's like. >> I mean, that's another reason why I'm. still in the game. It's like the sky's. is the limit. It's like it gives me it. gave me another shot at life. It gave me, you know, like a renewed. like. passion, sense of purpose. Yeah. Just it. g it just gave me so much. It helped me. like restore relationships, you know, rebuild relationships, rebuild a. relationship with myself, you know, like. >> looking in the mirror and like just for. years just going, "Fuck you." You know,

and that like just that raw feeling of. like just kind of self-hate and to just. not be in that place anymore. It's like. freedom. It's amazing. >> Yeah, it is. >> I saw a viral clip of you actually. talking about your faith and about how. you got saved and it actually made me. tear up because, you know, I'm on my own. journey with God, too, and so is my. husband. And. >> um just seeing somebody who has um an. ear on the youth the way that you do.

because I mean, you can sit behind a. pulpit and preach all day long, but you. have one hit song and that you're going. to re reach millions and millions of. people who need to hear that. And so to. hear that coming from you standing on. the stage like that's that was really. awesome. >> I I' I'd tell you this like my faith. walk has been a it's been a like a. wrestling match you know and it was it. started with my sobriety. Um I started. going to meetings and and going to. recovery recovery houses and stuff like.

that and you know they're like yo you. need to find find God or a God a God of. your understanding. And it was a journey. for me for years. And I'll tell you like. the the two thing like the the two. things I never wanted to be in my life. was sober. >> and a Christian, >> right? >> And like look and here I am now. You. know what I'm saying? Like a follower, a. sober guy. And uh my but it was a rocky. path, you know, to find that and a lot. of failure and a lot of questioning and.

you know turning my will over to God and. following and then taking it all back. and then living my way and then you know. repeatedly finding myself like just in. that deep dark hole and you know when I. finally put the bottle down and really. like it was that like that foxhole. prayer you know where I'm just like God. like do do you just hear me. Can you. hear me? Like I I need a miraculous. change. I need something like beyond. what I can do cuz I kept trying to like.

control the change in my life. And uh it. just the walls fell, you know, and I I. had a fella that I was real close with. that kind of walked my faith journey out. with me. And you know, I was like very. skeptical and very like h these church. people are weird, you know. And and then. when I saw like this faith walk like. alive in front of me and somebody like. talking the talk and walking the walk. and I saw the transformation, it became. alive to me and that it became I was.

less fearful of. >> all right, I'll I'll try to believe, you. know, and then it became like I'm a I'm. a full-blown believer. Now it's like I'm. doing a Bible study with a buddy of mine. and like it's like it is it's tripping. me out because it's like I'm starting to. experience like different levels of of. freedom of bondage of self and like. things that maybe I once thought were. acceptable in my life. Now I'm like nah. man that ain't serving you man. It's not. like it's not working for you anymore.

It's like it's hindering your growth. It's messing up relationships. this is a. little secret that you're keeping back. tucked away over here. You know what I. mean? And like the more that I like. purge these things and turn it over and. just walk in the light, it's just I I. feel like it's the way, it's the path, you know, and cuz I've tried the other. way, you know what I mean? And it's like. >> I you know, the whole rock and roll and. I was I was kind of very. >> I didn't want to share it with people.

because I felt that it wasn't edgy and. it wasn't rock and roll. And I'm like. again like I'm not here to prove like. that I'm like edgy and rock and roll. Like I done I think you've already. proven that. >> Yeah. I done lived it and I saw where it. like was taking me and I'm like. >> and then you I watched the VH1 specials. like for instance like bands like say. Aerosmith, right? And it's just like you. hear this like downward spiral and this. just wreckage and the family's falling. apart and I'm like I ain't I'm trying to.

like break that chain. Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Like I'm here. trying to break that chain. And I ain't. trying to like repeat cuz the Shadex. family like where I'm from, my people. like come from a long line of of. alcoholics, uh, cheaters, uh, broken people, murderers, that type of lineage. And so. I'm like, I'm that's not that's not who. I am. That's not like why I'm here. It's. not that's not me. >> You know, >> Jacobe, that's beautiful. And I feel. like that's what people need to hear, especially from somebody like you. And.

I'm so proud of you because to say what. you just said, all of that like and I. want to clip that cuz it was just so. beautiful is just. >> you're bringing people to faith and. letting them know that it's cool. >> You know, we're we're making God cool. again. >> I'm tell Well, even like, you know, watching you and and Jelly at y'all's. your life and the arc of you guys from. afar, it's like I see the same in you. guys. And it's like Jelly, you know, when he's talking about God on stage, like I love that. That that that. inspires me. It makes me go, "Okay, it's.

I can get up here and talk about this.". And, you know, the more and more I open. up about it, the more and more I realize. like I'm not in this rock and roll. family and in this rock and roll world, like there's more believers than I. realized. You know, I was like I was out. on uh what was it? Uh we did Whiskey Jam. the other night. >> Yeah. Congratulations on that. It was. dope. I love that. And and the viral. clips of you singing, I was like, "Go to. Kobe.". >> It was cool. It was a dream, you know. So, growing up a Johnny Cash fan, like. to be able to step, you know, on. Broadway and know that I'm going to go.

perform in a in a in a venue that, you. know, maybe he had once walked through. or, you know, had a drink in or whatnot. Like, just to know that like this is his. town and to get up in there and play a. song stripped down. It It was just a. vibe, you know. >> We need to get you in the Ryman. We need. to get you to do a stripped down. acoustic show in the Ryman cuz that's. like I'm tell I'm telling them right. now. >> Call your people. >> We're rooting for you. If anybody can. make it happen, it's my husband for. sure. But yeah, >> I uh I really enjoyed it. We premiered a. brand new song. Um we got this song.

called Wake Up Calling. It's about to. drop in a couple days. Um and this one. is like. I'd say it's like somewhere in between. like. uh Scars Papa Roach and Leave a Light on. Papa Roach. And so we started the song. on an acoustic guitar, built it from. there, and then built it into this. really emotive rock track. and then did. the uh the acoustic jam and just. stripped it back down to the purest. form. I uh. >> as I get older and the more we write, I.

love that experience of just stripping. the track down and just starting from. the, you know, just the nuts and bolts. of acoustic guitar and a vocal. And if. you could build it from there, I feel. like there's something special. >> It's just so personal, too. Like. whenever you can connect with your. audience with just a guitar, your voice, and emotion. >> I wish I could play guitar, too. Man, I'm terrible. I'm like I got dicks for. fingers. My husband tries to uh pretend. that he can play guitar and I'm like, you know, one song and it's his song. with MGK. Like he taught himself he. literally taught himself how to play.

that song and it's the cutest thing. Yeah. Good on him. >> So, let's circle back um and just talk a. little bit about your childhood because. I I truly believe that people's. childhoods influence their decisions. later on in life. >> And you grew up in California. >> Your parents split when you were. younger. Yeah. >> Can we go on that journey of where so. much hurt and so much of your pain had. come from because you write about it in. your lyrics, but I don't ever really. hear you talk about it. >> Yeah. So, uh, my father, uh, Richard.

Richard Kent Shadex, uh, he was a. Vietnam veteran. He grew, he's like a, I. think the ninth child in his family. And, uh, he was just dealt with a pretty. raw set of cards. He was drafted to. Vietnam, went to Vietnam, fought a war. he didn't believe in. Uh just trauma on. trauma on trauma. And uh my mom, you. know, she's like just a sweet girl, born. in Michigan, came out to California,

fell in love with this wild hippie. And. uh my when my dad came back from Nam, he. was wanted to be a recluse, you know. So. he was like, I'm going to go live in the. high country. My parents, you know, were. really poor. But I think in the 70s it. was like. being poor was, you know, it's not such. a big thing when you're like living that. hippie lifestyle. You know, they were. living in a van. You know, it's like I I. I've lived in some very interesting. places as a child. First, I mean, the. first year was uh.

>> in a van. Next one was in somebody's. screened in laundry porch, you know. And. so not necessarily homeless, but we. didn't have a house of. >> our gypsies. Yeah, essentially. And then. uh we lived we lived in a teepee for a. year. Like no, no lie. >> How old were you? >> This is I was probably like 2 and a. half, three years old. >> Wow. >> We did that. My dad then became a logger. for a while and uh he was all the while.

like you know partying and raging and. disappearing for a couple weeks here and. there and uh yeah we lived in a tent for. a while when he was logging and then. finally my mom kind of had enough uh and. she was just like we need to like live. in a home like we need to stop being. gypsies. And so we finally settled in. this place called Nipa Noasi which is. like Norcow kind of by a place of up in. uh you know where Yeuseite is. >> Yeah a little bit. Is it up by central.

California area? >> No no central California hills. Okay. >> You know just kind of tucked away from. society. And so my dad was a recluse and. had his own problems and his struggles. and I just I idolized him. I thought he. was just the salt of the earth because. you know I mean he loved me. He loved me. to death. He really did. but he just. didn't know how to be an honest family. man. And uh when he left and. it just it broke me. It just totally. broke me. And and.

>> and it wasn't that he was ever abusive. towards me at all. It just left this. like hole in my heart, you know. And. >> how old were you? >> And I was uh at this time I was probably. like six or I know seven or eight. actually when they finally split. It was. a back and forth and back and forth. could come and go and I just always was. like, "Where's dad?" you know, and he. was always absent and. >> and once they finally split, he just. disappeared from my life and that was. like that was traumatic for me just. because it was like he was my hero. >> That's abandonment.

>> Yeah. Oh, it was her. It sucked. And to. anybody that's gone through that, it's. just it's terrible. It's just it's. >> and so I vowed to myself. I didn't want. to, you know, repeat that cycle. And so. I think that that was the beginning of. this like this tra trauma in my life. that I didn't really know how to heal. from. And you know my mom sta started. dating and uh she met this guy who. eventually became my stepdad and I was a. horrific stepson in the beginning. I was.

I remember we were celebrating his. birthday this one time and my mom got. the cake and they're singing happy. birthday and I like threw the cake on. the floor, you know, like just like. >> Oh yeah. I was I was I was, you know, I. look back on it and I'm kind of like, okay, like. >> it's not so bad. But then I just was. that that abandonment, right? >> And I think that I I didn't fully. recover from that until I was probably. in my mid20s. I think when I finally.

sought him out and uh you know had a. deep conversation with him about who he. was and why he left and really never. turned back and it's you know what's so. wild like once I got to know him a. little bit it was you know I spent a. couple days with him and we got deep I. just remember sitting on this hilltop. and he was telling me the story of his. life and I just. I I just felt sorry for him, you know? I. just when I when I found out like what.

he had been through and who he was and I. just asked him straight up, I'm like, "What the [ __ ] Like, why did you like. never try to like. >> search me out?". >> And he's like, "I thought I just thought. that you would you just hated me. I. thought you were you would just reject. me." And I'm like, "Ah, quite the opposite." Like, I just wanted. to like know who you were, you know? And. that was like that was a that was a that. was a tough but healing moment, you. know, and and in the process of being a.

young kid and having this stepdad that. that loved me, I never really like. allowed that love to. I never knew how to accept that love. I. knew he did. And. >> he didn't want to get hurt again. >> Yeah. And Yeah. I think that's what it. was. And my mom is just the salt of the. earth. an amazing loving, compassionate. woman that uh just taught me so much. about life and you know she taught me. empathy, she taught me kindness, she uh.

supported my creativity and so I think. my mom you know as as she remarried she. wanted to provide like a stable. environment for me to grow up in. And my. stepdad now it's like he's my guy. Like. Bill Roach is the man. >> Bill. My dad's name is Bill. >> Okay, cool. All right. Shout out to. Bill. >> We love the Bills. >> That's right. And uh you know, he's uh. he was just he taught me like. consistency.

>> Um but I was I'm just so much different. than him. I had this reckless I had this. reckless spirit and this free spirit and. this creativity in me that just needed. to like come out and uh you know my he. provided this place that was safe. >> but I always just had this like hole in. me and I didn't know how to to really. come to terms with it until I had uh a. bit of reconciliation with my father.

>> and understood. who he was and why he made the decisions. he made. Um, you know, and my mom always warned me. She's like, "You you are like," she. would point things out in me that. reminded her of my father, good and bad, >> right? >> And she was always like, you know, you. better be careful cuz like, you know, this drinking thing, like your dad was. had a bad problem with it, you know, and. I think. >> she was trying to guide you. >> Yeah. She was trying to like warn me. like, "Hey." And I just I'm that type of.

knucklehead like I got I got to go hit. the wall at 100 miles an hour myself to. >> to really like. >> to learn. >> When did you start drinking? >> Uh I I started I think well my mom said. when I was young they had these raging. parties and I would like go around and. like sip the bottoms of the drinks. But. that's. >> I did the same thing at my parents. parties. >> Yeah. I was like I was just that young. kid, you know, uh just wanting to, you. know, get out get outside of myself and. not feel like myself, I think. Um.

>> but it wasn't until I was uh I think it. was like 14. >> that I. >> I think that's when everybody starts. experimenting with alcohol. >> and my first experiment went horrific. horrifically wrong. You know, it's like. >> Do you tell we would like to hear? >> Oh gosh. So, well, one of them was the f. the first time I got caught, my parents. had uh vodka and they kept it in the. freezer and I kept drinking it and then. this wasn't the bad one, but I kept. drinking it and then refilling it with. water. Oh gosh.

>> So then, you know, you know what I'm. saying? Like you eventually drink so. much. >> It started to freeze, right? My parents. were like, "Kobe, like, what are you. doing?" I'm like, "What do you mean? That's not me. It's not me." You Well, then I was like I got that taste for it. because I I it made me like. had this kind of sense of ease and. comfort and uh I was my stepdad had. taught me about hard work, right? So, I. started uh working. I had my own. business. It was jack of all trades. I. had this little flyer and it was like I. I I have a wheelbarrow. I will travel.

I'll pick weeds. I'll mow the lawn. I'll. babysit. I'm. >> So, you've always been a hustler. >> Yeah, totally 100%. >> And so, that was like 14 years old and I. had my business. someone made some money. and my friend William Len was like, "Dude, it's my birthday." I'm like, "Dude, I got like 30 bucks, dude. Let's. get somebody get some vodka for us." And. the homie went, this guy I was friends. with, he was like over 21. He went and. bought me this bottle of vodka. I went. to my friend's house and we drank this. thing to the bottom. And he he was like, there was this girl around the corner.

from his house. He wanted to profess his. love to her because, you know, you make. all the right decisions when you're. hammered. >> And 14. >> Yeah. We crawl we crawled over there and. I we were I was puking in the road, you. know, blacked out. He's trying to. confess his love. They call the cops. We. get detained and uh yeah, the next day. was like I, you know, walk of shame back. home. My parents, you know, were like, "What are you doing?" Like, and I'm. like, "I don't know. I just wanted to. party." And uh that was like kind of the.

beginning for me. And I uh I really. started to like, you know, take my sips. when I could and you know, stand out in. front of the grocery store and when I. saw somebody 21 and older, I'm like, "Hey man, you go you pick me up a couple. 40s, you know, and do that.". >> I feel like kids these days will never. know those. >> Oh, dude. I was that dude. We did beer. runs. >> We did it, too. Oh, the beer runs, dude. >> They made me feel alive. They was like, "Oh, yeah, dude. I'm going to I'm like. get I'd be in my little red ranger in. the front and Tobber, my bass player, run in there, grab grab a case of beer,

dude. We go out to the cuts at the barn, you know, do the bonfire and the. drinking and the whole deal. And, >> you know, eventually, you know, started. smoking. And then I remember I got my. wisdom teeth pulled and they gave me a. bottle of Viking in. That's when I. discovered Vicodin. >> Me, too. It's in my book that I'm about. to drop. I lit I call it getting. percolated. >> I was I was twerkating, man. I did not. take as prescribed. >> at all. But the first time you take that. pill and it gives you that relief that. you've never had before, that's what. gets you hooked. And but then you'd.

never get that feeling again. Yep. >> It's it's you get it one time, it's. euphoric, and you you chase that high. for the rest of your. >> It's a bottomless pit addiction. It is. >> I mean, go. Yeah. But, you know, I had. to touch that flame. That was like the. thing. And all around this time, you. know, I'm I'm in high school, right? So, >> when does music enter? Have you always. been musical? Where does the musical um. chops come from? >> So, uh music is in the family. My.

grandmother was a singer. Her father was. in the big bands like in the 1930s and. stuff like that. So, he was in the pit. orchestra for the Marx Brothers and they. did a lot of traveling and he played. piano and uh clarinet, saxophone, you. name it. >> um and did that life. And then my. grandma sang in like the chorus lines. and stuff like that. My mom wasn't. really musically inclined, but had a. love for music. >> And I just grew up loving music. Like it. was just I fell in love with I remember. Poison was like one of the first bands. I was like, "Dude, these guys are sick.

Nothing but a good time.". >> I love all the hair bands. I still love. dudes and makeup. Oh yeah. Like it is my. I love it. >> I was such a huge fan. And uh yeah, shout out to Brett Michaels, dude. You're freaking awesome, dude. You're. the real deal. Um, but yeah, discovered. music and just I was the kid with the. whiffle ball bat in the front yard. playing air guitar and setting up the. trash cans upside down in the garage, you know, playing with fire, beating on. drums, putting on my own pyro in the. garage, like doing, you know, just like. a goofball. And I just had this love for. music. And then when I finally got in.

high school and met uh my OG drummer, Dave Buckner, we were playing football. in high school together. And uh I was a. drummer, he was a drummer, and we were. like, "Dude, let's let's let's hook up. and like put our drum sets together to. make like a real big drum set.". >> So you do play drums. >> Yes. That was my first uh rock. instrument. I grew up playing clarinet. I played in the I'm like a band geek. Yeah. >> And so played school band. >> Mhm. >> Sorry. >> I I played the viola. I was in band or. No, I was in orchestra. I wasn't. shouting out to the band geeks.

>> I wasn't allowed to be in band. I was an. orchestra though. >> Yeah. That's cool though. That's cool. That's what's up. Um, so yeah, I went to. band camp, did that whole did that whole. deal. That was awesome. The band kids. were wild, honestly. Like we were wild. And uh I did some partying with the. school band as well at band camp. Straight up. >> Was it like American Pie? >> Straight for real. For real. Um, but. yeah, band c band kids, orchestra kids, uh, theater kids. We were like the dowo. crazy wild ones. But I also played. school sports and that's where I met.

Dave the drummer. And so we put our drum. sets together. Um, and he turned out to. be a way better drummer than I did than. I was. And so I was like, "All right, well, dude, I want to play. Let's make. music." And so I I I love Flee from the. Red Hot Chili Peppers. I just thought he. was the coolest. >> And so I was like, "Well, I'll buy a. bass.". >> And uh so bought a bass guitar and uh I. wasn't so good at bass. And I was at. this time I was working at this place. called Fresh Choice. And this is right. when I I uh I met my wife. Well, my.

>> eventually would become my wife. >> Yeah. >> And uh I met her around this time and. I'm experimenting with music and I'm. starting to like who's this girl? What's. up with this right here? Um, so then uh I'm at work one night and. I come out and all the windows are. busted out of my truck and I'm like what. the dude I'm like look go in the back of. the truck and my bass is gone and I'm. like. >> what is like I can't I can't be a dr I'm. not the drummer cuz he's way better than.

me and now my bass is still I'm straight. broke. I'm living on my own at this time. cuz I moved out of my house when I was. like 17. You know that typical story of. like if you don't want to live by our. rules you got to live on your own. I'm. like, "Well, good thing you taught me. the hard work ethic cuz I could just go. rent a room from the homie. I'm out.". >> Yeah. You know, >> you're like, "I got this. I know. everything.". >> Yeah. I remember. And I had a little. side hustle, you know, selling Mexican. brown weed at the time, too. So, I had a. little extra money on the side. So, I. was like, "Cool. I can pay my rent.". >> Well, I got my bass stolen and I was.

like, "Fuck, like, I want to play. music." And and Dave Buckner was just. like, "Dude, be a singer. It's free.". And I was just like, "All right, I'm. going to be a singer.". >> I love the logic. That's so real though. Like how deep and so just easy. >> Yes. And and that's what I did. I just. grabbed a mic and and started screaming. on the mic in the garage. >> Did you ever know that you could sing? Sorry to cut you off. >> I was I was god awful singer when I. first started. I wasn't one of those. kids that was like the kid in the back. of the room that was kind of gifted and.

like could sing and carry a tune. Nah, dude. I was just the I was the kid that. was like. >> I was friends with the stoners, the. freaks, the geeks, the jocks, the. popular kids. Yeah, >> I was kind of like friends with. everybody and so I was the guy that was. like the ring leader in a way and like I. knew how to like, you know, rally the. people and so I was voted most unique in. my class. I guess that's like the most. popular weird guy. I guess I don't know. >> It's a compliment though. It's a. compliment. >> Hey, I'll take it. Um, but yeah, so I.

guess being a singer kind of felt like. it was natural. I I grew up playing a. clarinet so I understood like breath. control and stuff like that and so I got. a mic in my hand and I was it was just. off to the races. Game over. >> Yeah. Straight up. And I was like, I. couldn't carry a tune, but I wanted to. rap and I wanted to scream. >> I know it's so hard to believe that you. couldn't carry a tune, especially. listening to you now because I think. that you're one of the last of a dying. breed, like one of the best rock front. people. And I'm not just saying that cuz. I'm a I am a huge music fan. My dad was.

a musician, so I grew up in the. industry, too. And I just. >> You have just this presence. I've seen. you perform, you know, and it's the way. you command, the way you sing. Like, I. just find that hard to believe that you. didn't have that to start with. >> If you listen to some of the early. recordings, you'd be like, "What the. hell? >> This is him.". >> I'm going to go back and listen. >> I don't want Don't even do it, please. It's honestly like I've made all my. creative mistakes in Papa Roach cuz. Proach is like Papa Roach is my first.

band. Like, I didn't start like 20. different bands and go, you know, this. that, and the third. It was like. >> I read that you guys were originally. called Kobe Dick though. >> Uh well I used to be called Kobe Dick. That's what they used to call me back in. the day. I uh so that name came from uh. my wife had Yeah. We were married at. this at this point we were married. >> She was the one with the good credit. >> Yeah. >> And the B we all had terrible credit. >> and we needed a. >> shout out to wifey. >> Yeah dude. For real. Thank you babe. and.

she reminded me she's a real one, dude. >> She is a real 30 years and we're going. to talk about her later, but yeah. >> And so, uh, she co-signed for us to get. this van and we called it Moby Dick and. all all the boys called me Kobe, right? And I was like, it just stuck. They were. like, I'm like, "Oh yeah, I'm Kobe Dick. driving Moby Dick, dude. This is my. deal." You know, and it just kind of. stuck. And so, yeah, man. That was my. that was my aka back in the day. I was a. big Wuang fan, too. So it was like Wuang. had all these like aliases and so I. thought I thought that was cool, you. know, but eventually I was like.

>> I kept reading and like after we became. popular and the band blew up, I in like. magazines it would be like Dick says and. I'm like. I'm like do I want to be known as Dick. my whole life? Like I just my my. original name like my my birth name. Jacobe Dakota Shadex is way cooler than. Kobe. >> That's a rockstar name. >> Yeah, totally. You can't have a name. like that and not become a rock star. >> Exactly. I was like, I got to I got to. go back to the OG name. But yeah, I'm a.

little all over the place. But yeah, Kobe Dick was my name back in the day. Mr. Dick if you're nasty, Dr. Dick if. you're sick. >> So, did you rap whenever you first. started or were you singing? >> I want I wanted to be like a cross. between like Wuang, you know, Method. I. wanted to be a cross between like Method. Man and Chino from the Deaf Tones. Those. were like two of my f and totally like. polar opposite types of artists. >> Um, but I just had this really like. eclectic, diverse love of music.

>> and uh I just I was off to the races, you know, like once I had that mic in my. hand and you know, we started playing. shows in front of people and we played. all the backyard parties, you know what. I mean? >> Yeah. >> We play we put on parties. We I remember. >> the grind that was like in order to get. discovered back in the day, you had to. put in work. Oh, >> like nowadays you make a Tik Tok go. viral and you're on the on the charts. and it's like you guys like even I did. it with my husband. We had to grind. >> I saw him play to shows of five people.

Yep. You know, like. >> and but that I feel like that makes for. like such great artists. >> Oh, absolutely. I think that it's like. those are the moments the proving. grounds I think for real artists. Like. if you can thug it out through those. rugged moments, right? Where I remember. like when you were saying like playing. in front of five people. I remember. being in Denver, Colorado at this place. called the Lion's Den and we played in. front of seven people and two of them. were the bartenders. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? >> Yeah. And it's like. >> we've had nights like that. I remember I.

remember playing in like Tucson, Arizona. and we showed up and we're handing out. our demo tapes and then we start playing. and people start throwing our demo tapes. back at us like at our faces and I'm. like, "Fuck you." You know? So we had we. we had all those moments where it was. just like. >> it what got you know what it was? It was. what got us through those moments that. were tough was the brotherhood, you. know, and like working through those. moments being poor together and barely. scraping enough money together to get.

enough gas to the next city. >> and those I think those moments like you. guys have lived through yourselves, right? Where it's like it just builds. character. Yeah. You know, and it's like. that's the stuff. >> humbling. >> Exactly. Very humbling. But then it also. it's like I found so much joy. Like as I. look back at those moments, there was. like so much joy and so much fun in the. discovery of like traveling to a new. town, meeting new people, you know, we. had a mailing list. Oh, we got 25 names. on the mailing list tonight, you know,

and like, oh, we sold 30 t-shirts and we. got, you know, we got 300 bucks in the. band fund, dude. We're balling, dude. you know, it's like we can go to IHOP. tonight, you know, like I just I I look. back so fondly in those moments and so. grateful that we had those moments. because. >> when the times got tough after, you. know, we had our success and we kind of. had an arc and it felt like the industry. was we were done and over with. Like. those were the moments that got us.

through the dark times in our career. after like big popularity. You know, we'd we'd pick each other up and dust. each other off and go like, "All right, man. We got this." Like, we just keep. thugging it out. Let's just keep pushing. forward and and so it built that. brotherhood strong. >> Yeah. And character. >> Yeah. For sure. >> Mad character. >> Yeah, for sure. Nothing like being. broken down on the side of the road and. just having to hitchhike or find a ride. to the nearest gas station to change a. flat tire. Yeah, I get it. >> That Moby Dick, dude. I remember where.

that thing died, dude. We were on our. way to Vegas, dude. And we're going. uphill and it's like overheating. It's. like, >> you know, the thing dies on the side of. the road. We got a call like Triple A. You know, we're hitchhiking. We. eventually got to Vegas. We were 3 hours. late for the show. We put the show on. anyways. You know, like those are the. moments. They are the moments that you I. always tell Jay like cuz we have so much. going on now and sometimes I look at him. when it's just me and him and I'm like. do you ever miss when it was just us and.

like. >> you know 10 years ago when it like none. of this was around and he's like. absolutely like cuz it was so simple but. it was like so fulfilling at the same. time even though we were struggling like. a mofo it was just those moments were. just so cool. >> Yeah, I agree. It's like, you know, that. saying more money, mo problems. It's. real. >> It's just, you know, but it's like it's. also how do we navigate those those. problems now, right? It's like and. things that sometimes I think are. problems like, man, that's a champagne.

problem, dude. >> You know, [ __ ] dude. I I'm going to. Nashville. The flight's cancelceled. I. got a middle seat. And I'm like, >> champagne problems, dude. Like, humble. yourself, bro. you're going to Nashville. to rip a new track at, you know, stop. being a little I got this saying my my. brother-in-law taught me. He's like, "DBA." I'm like, "What's DBA?" He's. like, "Don't be a bitch.". >> I'm like, >> "True.". >> You're like, "Not it. I'm going to write. that down.". >> Yep. I did. I wrote I literally have a.

jacket that I wear. It's this camo. jacket and on the inside of it, it says. DBA. >> You know, I was like because we were. doing these acoustic runs and I was just. exhausted and I'm like, "Oh god, I just. want to do this. I'm like worn out. I. look inside my jacket. I'm like, >> Mhm. >> All right, cool. >> You said something in a podcast that. actually stuck with me when I was on the. treadmill last night. You said, "When I. make plans, God laughs.". >> Oh, yeah. >> And I was like, that's so real. Oh, yeah. >> And I was like, I'm stealing that. So, if you ever hear me say that, I'm going. to I will credit you. >> I probably stole it from somebody else.

You know what I mean? That's just It's. just one of those sayings. It's like, >> yeah, when I make plans, God laughs. And. yeah, >> it's so true. >> Yeah, it's it is, man. So, moving forward, let's talk about. when you guys uh in 2000 when you guys. dropped your uh it was it your f like. your first big album that made it big? >> That was our first major label record. Yeah. And so, uh 20 thou I mean. >> it was Infest, right? >> Yes. Infest is the first one. And so, at.

this point, right, we're. we started the band in 93. We put out a. bunch of independent EPs, you know, DIY, selling them out the trunk of the car, showing up to corn shows with a boom box. and like walking the line like, "What. the [ __ ] Papa Roach? Five bucks. Uh, what the [ __ ] Papa Roach? Five." And. I'd sling the CDs like that, you know? >> And uh, we learned that from like the. hip-hop culture, you know, and and I. love that that that hustle was alive and. I was just it fit with my personality so. well. I was just like I'd be like, "Yo,

what's up? I'm Kobe Dick. I'm about to. I'm about to sell you this record. you. don't even know you're about to whip out. five bucks. You give it to me before, you know, and I just was that guy. And. so all the while we're sending off our. music to all the record companies were. getting turned down by everybody, you. know, from uh I mean, you name it. Every. every we're not enough for the punk. label. We're not metal enough for the. metal label. We don't have a we don't. have a like an image, you know? Like you. guys don't have who are you, you know? And I'm like, well, [ __ ] dude. We're. just we're P Roach from Vakavville,

California. What the [ __ ] like what. else you need? And uh I had this. delusion that I was ready for the big. time before I was ready for the big. time. >> But that's what got you to where you. are. >> Totally. Like I feel like those that. >> you manifested. >> Yeah. It's those those delusions of. grandeur like really served me well. And. uh we eventually uh got a a demo deal. with DreamWorks or sorry with Warner. Brothers and we went and recorded like. Last Resort and a handful of other songs. and then uh our ANR in that process got.

fired and I'm like I remember being in. the van and uh just sitting with the. boys going. like what are we going to do, man? Like. we'll just put it out independently. Yeah. >> You know, and so that was the MO. So, we're like, "Let's finish mixing these. tracks." Well, while we were mixing. these tracks, um, DreamWorks Records. hollered at our management. They're. like, "We want to come down and hear. some of the songs." So, they came down. to the studio, heard the songs, and they. were like, "All right." Like, they.

started to pursue us, court us, you. know, take us out to dinner. We're like, "Oh, we'll take all the free dinners we. can. We're hungry.". >> Yeah. you know, so we did that and uh we. eventually got a dream uh deal with. DreamWorks and uh that was just like oh. my god, you know, I felt like I had made. it to the top, you know, but you know, all the while I realized like I was just. at the bottom of another mountain, but. grateful and uh we went and uh recorded. all these songs and the ANR told the.

producer Jay Bombgard, he's like, "Don't. mess with this band. Like just let's get. a great quality recording of these band. songs, you know? let's not try to like. rewrite and rearrange and like there's. something magic in what these dudes are. doing. And so we went in and recorded. it. And uh this is like at the point. where like drinking really is starting. to take off for me. Um I'm a couple. years into my marriage. Um my wife. Kelly, she's like, "Honey, like you got. to watch yourself. Like you you better.

check yourself." And I did I did not. want to listen. I wasn't listening. You. know, I was kind of off on my off to the. off off to the races as they say and and. you know when you're at the studio and. you're like you got a runner and they're. like is there anything you guys want and. I'm like [ __ ] yeah I want to handle a. vodka like a bag of weed let's go. >> but also it probably made you feel like. you could be more creative too. >> at that time yeah it was like it was. part of the creativity and I felt like. yeah man let's get the creative juices. flowing and it was part of it you know. >> part of the lifestyle for us yeah part.

of it was part of the culture it was. like a lifestyle for us that grew up in. In the 2000s, we didn't like all the. kids out. completely different culture. We grew up. going to ditch parties and you know. having kegs and for you know drinking. 40s of old E and like it was just a. different lifestyle back then. Not that. I'm making excuses. I'm just painting a. picture. The culture of it that's just. what it was. It was so you know and I. think you know the parents weren't so.

like. >> oh like worried about it. They were. doing the same thing. Kids will be kids. Yeah, my parents were partying and doing. the whole damn thing, you know, so. >> it was just natural and and all the. while, you know, we're recording this. record and we got something great in the. can and and uh I remember like the band. was like, well, we're going to release. this probably sell like, you know, maybe. 250,000 records, you know, if we're. lucky. And uh I remember we uh we got. asked to come on Warp Tour. and Last.

Resort just came out on the radio and. this is our first single. and this song just caught fire like it. was. >> it's this it caught fire and it's still. on fire like 25 years later. >> it's still on TikTok going crazy. >> Yeah. Thank God. I'm like it's like yeah. it it is the gift that keeps on giving. straight up and uh it was just like a. rocket ship ride to the top and I was I. totally was not prepared. I didn't know.

how to act. I just was like I was not. trained for press. I was not, you know, I just I had no I had a big heart, you. know, and my intentions were good and we. were passionate about the music. >> and uh we went out there and we traveled. the world and we sold millions and. millions of records and it was a party. >> on a party stacked on top of another. party and you know I was just getting I. was I I became after about a year and a.

half of this touring on this problem. The questionable decisions started. happening. The infidelity started to. happen. Uh the addictions were really. setting in. Uh when I would wake up and. look in the mirror, I started to like. hate the person that I saw because I was. beginning to. like that voice in the back of my head. of my mother telling me that like better.

watch yourself. you might become like. just like your father. >> But how amazing is that that even. through all of that and the addiction um. you know the infidelity and and did you. ever get into. >> uh you know I did I did a few times you. know like Dave Chappelle says it's a. hell of a drug. >> and but I never was like really into it. It was the drinking and the pills was. the thing for me. I was kind of like a. downer type of guy. And I'm super. grateful that. >> people joke about OCD all the time.

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free call with their team to get. connected to someone who can help. That's ncd.com. >> You know, I didn't cross the line into. like or anything like that, but you. know, I I'd like to chew and vodka. Like. that was like a recipe for let's. >> mine was mine was next and vodka. >> Oh, yeah. All that. Yeah. I remember it. all and some of it I don't remember. >> Yeah. But how cool is it that you still. had that conscience while you were doing. all of that? You still in the back of.

your head, you just knew that it wasn't. right and that you didn't want to be. that person. >> Yeah, I didn't. You know, and I and I. had a wife that was my ride or die and, you know, she was like, "Yo, like what. are you doing?". >> Yeah. >> Why Why are you living like this? And. and I just. >> cuz she knew you before this. >> Yeah. I mean, dude, she fell in love. with the janitor at the hospital. Like. that's what my job was at the time, you. know? And like we got married and I was. a janitor at a hospital. I was cleaning. toilets, right? And so like. >> that type of love like you can't you.

can't that's that's a hard one to break, you know? And like uh we like to joke, you know, we're about to be uh 30 years. married coming up. >> Three decades. That's wild. >> Is it 29 or 30 coming up? I think it's I. think it's 30 90. >> No, it's it'll be 29. Uh next year it'll. be 30. Um and so we're coming up Yeah. No, 29 and coming up. We're 28 right. now. when uh. it we like to joke, you know, that the. only reason we're still married is cuz. we never wanted to get a divorce at the.

same time. >> That's awesome, though. >> And it's like there's been moments. where, you know, I was I was in full. flight from reality and I didn't want to. be in this relationship. >> And then there was moments where she. didn't want to be in this relationship. You know, I was there was a moment where. I was, you know, kicked out the house. and we were we were on the outs and I'm. living at my brother, you know, I got. this big old, you know, mansion of a. house and I'm living at my brother's in. this little 10x10 bedroom out of the.

trunk of my, you know, Challenger car. My clothes are in there and I'm just. kind of vagabond living and like trying. to get my life right. And uh, you know, we've been through those those moments. you know, we've been through the. therapy, we've been through the marriage. counseling, um, you know, countless attempts of. sobriety, you know, and and she's just loved me. through. the most broken.

like my most broken moments in my life. And. uh I am like I am blessed, you know, beyond blessed to have a woman like that. that like loves has loved me through my. crazy and uh. >> she loves your soul. >> Yeah. She see, you know, she sees. something in me that I didn't see in. myself a lot of the time. And uh it's. she's been patient with me. >> and uh she's.

she's allowed me to make make some. serious mistakes. and forgiven me for those mistakes. And. you know, I mean, hey, it ain't perfect. It takes two to tango, you know, and. it's like, >> you know, we've we've had our our. battles, you know, I mean, knockdown. dragouts, you know, throwing the dishes. at each other, you know, War of the. Roses type [ __ ]. >> And uh it's uh it isn't all pretty, but. I will say that, you know, back in the.

day, I got some advice from my bass. players's grandfather, um and he said, you know, some marriage. advice. He was like, you know, a strong marriage isn't always. going to be pretty. It's not always. going to be loving, but it's the glue. that you take the broken pieces and it's. the glue that you put these pieces back. together with that's going to be the. strength that makes a loving marriage. endure,

>> you know? And I just. >> and I I had to experience that. that I. had to like take the vase and just throw. it at the wall and destroy it and go, "Oh god." Like, and we both picked up. the pieces and put them back together. You know what I mean? And and uh and. that is, you know, now it's like, it's. funny cuz we're like having. conversations in our lives now about. like, all right, like what do you want. to be called when you're a grandma? Like. what do you want to be called when. you're a grandpa? >> I love that. You know, and it's like cuz.

my kids are getting older now. My oldest. son, he's like 24. Jagger is 21. >> and then Brixton, my youngest, is 12, you know, and so I mean, my kids are. shooting live ones. So, >> no, >> I mean, slow down. Hey, son, I'm not. ready. Just saying. >> Grandpa Jacobe, what are you going to be. called? >> I'm going to be called Papa. And my. wife's going to be called Kelly's going. to be called Go. >> A Cuz she's just go go go all the time. Like my wife is like from 6:30 a.m. She. is just like I'm like.

>> I feel like you need that though. >> Sit on the couch, babe. Chill for a. minute. >> I feel like you need that though because. you seem like you're always go go go. too. So. >> we we have to check ourselves sometimes. and like check in with each other and. go, "Hey, like yo, we need a date night. Like it's date night.". >> That's how Jay and I are too. Sometimes. we have to be like, "Dude, we haven't. been on a date night in so long. Like, we have to do something.". >> Yeah. I mean, I I I think we do share a. lot of similarities in that regard that. we're both like. >> I'm a I'm a people person, you know? I'm. outgoing. I think my bit my wife is a.

bit more recluse. She could be the type. that's like hold up in a house in the. countryside and not see anybody for a. month and be okay. >> Yeah, I'm the same way. >> Yeah, believe it or not, she is go go go. go. You know, she got her things. We got. our little like in the backyard we got. the chickens and we got a tortoise and. you know, we got our pets, we got. >> four pup, you know, four dogs. We got. >> Would you guys move to Nashville and. have a little farm? >> I mean, we've the discussion has been. had many times in our house. I think. I've spent a lot of time on realtor. and.com and Zillow. >> I have a realtor for you if you guys.

need a realtor. >> Okay. Okay. Yeah, we've talked My. brother actually moved out here. My. brother loves it. He's been twisting my. tits about moving out here for quite. some time. My guitar player lives out. here now. >> I always say that Nashville is LA with a. soul. >> I'm tell you are absolutely 100%. correct. >> Yeah, but I I would anytime cuz I'm from. the West Coast. I grew up in Vegas. Anytime I go back to Cali or I'm in. Vegas, I'm just always reminded of how. commercial everything is now. And like. >> it's lost its glitter. And when you come.

to Nashville, it's like everybody still. has a soul, you know, and like. everything is just so warm and inviting. and it hasn't been taken. I mean, it's. corporate, but it's not like how it is. on the West Coast. >> No, absolutely. I was just talking to. somebody about that before I came here. at the shoot and it's like talking about. the same exact thing. It's like the the. spirit of this city is real and it's. alive and it feels like maybe what LA. felt like 20 25 30 years ago. >> where it was just like the possibilities. were there and the creativity was alive. and the culture was like.

>> bustling right and there feels like. >> this life in this city especially. >> when I went down to Broadway and we did. that acoustic set. >> and I afterwards I was just. >> by the way to cut you off really quick. can you please go play an acoustic set. at our bar Goodn Night Nashville. Nashville, please. >> Dude, I was It's funny, man, cuz I was. like the last time I uh I was in. Nashville. I was out here with my both. my brothers and we were down on Broadway. and I was at this club across the street. and I was looking at Jelly's joint. across the way and I was like, >> "That's dope. >> Well, someone has the skull with the.

crown up in the top." I was like, "We. need you to go do one of these live. sets." Okay, we'll do it. We'll for sure. do it. >> Anytime you want, just hit me. We'll. plug you guys right in. You guys go and. do it. But what is it like playing on. Broadway? And you went down on Broadway. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off, but I was just like, we want in on that, too. >> No, your spot is dope. Straight up. I. haven't been in it, but I looked at it. from across the street uh at the rooftop. bar, and I was like, that shit's. popping, dude. That's a great spot. >> Um, >> but I was talking to a bunch of people. afterwards just kind of saying what's up.

to the fans and and I realized like. there's so many people in this city that. are all musicians, that are all, you. know, it either have made it and are are. just good people or young people that. came here to make it. And I just love. the culture of that. And it's like, you. know, when I even just down to simple. things like driving down the road, you. know, and you. >> that you know what I'm talking about. >> Yeah. >> In the Jeep Wave, >> dude. I'm telling you, I'm in.

Sacramento. I I. >> And I never get it back, dude. And I'm. like when I'm here and I'm like. everybody I'm like, "What's up?" I love. I [ __ ] love that. And it's, you know, it finally I got a boat. I finally just. got a boat and I I live pretty close by. the river. So boat people in Sacramento. though, everybody waves at each other. when you got a boat. And so but yeah, I. like that soulfulness about this city. I. love the food. I love the music. And so. there's so many reasons for me to come. out here.

>> Uh you know, but then it's also like. home's home, you know. I never lived in. LA, you know, I just go down there to. make records. And so I live up in. Sacramento. I've lived there for, you. know, for the last like around the area. for the last. >> 30 plus years. um you know when we started having. babies and stuff like that, my parents, my mom and my stepdad stuck around the. area and so we got a tight village, you. know, when I go home it's like I kind of. got a small circle, >> you know, and so it's like I spend more. time with my parents than like. >> I care to admit, you know,

>> but that's a great thing. >> No, I mean spend as much time as you can. because I lost both my parents uh 2022. and 2024. >> Damn. >> Spend as much time with them as you can. >> Oh yeah, we do. We do all the I mean. we're it's a regular thing for us and. that's what really is like. >> who's calling me. >> Oh, I was like whose phone is that? >> It's It's probably my wife. >> It's a vibe. >> Yeah, if you don't. >> if it's if it's wifey answer so we can. say hi. >> I love that.

>> Sorry. Let me just. >> I love seeing you in dad mode. >> Oh, dude. I'm [ __ ] dad as. >> I bet you're like a cool ass dad. I. >> I'm a rad dad. I'm not even going to. lie, dude. It's it is just being a dad. is like. it is just the joy of my life honestly. And and uh I think part of one of the. cool things I think about being a father. too is like. >> how can I say this? A lot of a lot of. like my partying like my raging and I.

did it on the road and I would come home. and I would try to dry out and like just. like white knuckle it through it. So my. kids, although there was a lot of. dysfunction, I really did my best to. like hide it from my kids. >> And uh my older sons, you know, there's. there's not a lot of a ton of. recollections of me like being like. drunk dad, >> you know, and and uh so I'm really. grateful that like I didn't really. damage my kids through all that. >> Um and Brixton, my youngest, has never.

seen me drunk, you know what I mean? And. I just I love that, >> you know, that that he's been able to. experience that like. >> stability, >> you know, and uh yeah, but being a. fatherhood, I mean, fatherhood is the. best hood. Fatherhood is sacred. It's. the coolest [ __ ] Like. >> my kids are just I'm, you know, I'm. football dad. My son, both my boys. played football. They're both playing uh. college lacrosse, you know, and so I fly. out there, go I got my cowbell, I'm in. the stands yelling and screaming for my.

kids. like I'm. >> it is just it is the joy of my life you. know outside of the music and you know. it's something like me and my wife we. just we just are our kids' biggest fans. you know and it's like. >> what do you think um is the biggest. lesson that your kids have taught you. each one because you have three right. >> so each one what has each one taught you. >> yeah I think uh. >> because I feel like every child has. different personalities you know they. teach you something different. >> male is um. the most cautious ious and self-aware.

child I have. He's 24 and uh the thing. he's taught me is. uh I'd say like patience and. understanding in a way that he's just so. loving and kind that I had to like check. myself and slow my pace down and just be. there in the moment with my son. He. loves talking, right? like when we get.

on the phone, he'll talk through the. details of every little thing. And it's. like that's kind of like the the way. that we communicate when we're talking. It's like he wants to talk through all. the details of every part of his day. And I just I love that like slowing down. the pace of my life cuz he he knows how. to do that. And I just I think that's so. cool. And. >> I just I'm so proud of that kid. And. he's, you know, he's such a hard worker. He is just a grinder. Like he's he's. going to college. There's going to be a. doctor, right? So, yeah. And.

>> good for you. Good for you. >> Yeah, dude. He'll be a doctor of. physical therapy. So, my busted ass. back. >> Yep. pitch. >> Um, and so he's in his last year of. school and I'm just so proud of him and. just he's he's really been through some. hard times and some heartbreak. >> and uh you know uh he's his life has. inspired me to write some songs and you. know Jagger. Jagger is like so much like me in the. way of like he's gosh he's got that big.

heart. He loves hard. He puts his heart. he wears his heart on his sleeve. He's. kind of the the leader in the spaces. that he's in, you know, been the captain. of his football team, etc., you know, the leader of his friend group, that. kind of thing. But that's and then also. the type that needs to like run 100. miles hour into a brick wall and feel. the pain and like the struggle and the. strife and the, >> you know, take his lumps and, >> you know, he's very bullheaded. And it's. almost like he's kind of gotten some of.

the some of the traits about me and my. wife that we're both like, "Damn, dude. You got some of the like the the harder. edges of who we are.". >> Yeah. >> But he's just got the biggest heart, you. know? And so Jagger, he's uh. >> And how old is he? >> Jagger's 21. Okay. >> You know, and he's that kid that, you. know, he he tells me, he's like, "Dad, like you're my safe place. Like you're. you're my place where I can just let all. my walls fall." And uh. >> that means so much for a child. just be. vulnerable, you know, and. >> and uh you know, I'm just grateful that,

you know, both me and my wife, we have. these very special. >> unique relationships with all of our. kids, you know, and and so Jagger, >> you know, I think that the thing that. he's taught me is like again, like I. keep saying patience, you know, but it's. like. >> I just got to allow him to be him and. not try to impose the knowledge that. I've I've tried to raise him the best I. can and love him the best we can and.

teach him as many valuable lessons as we. can, but also like to allow him to be. him and find his way, >> right? >> You know, and and uh I think that, you. know, he wants to go he wants to go into. the music. >> He grew up listening to, you know, Yellow Wolf was like one of his favorite. rappers, you know. >> We can connect you guys with Yellow. Do. you think Yellow's cool, man? He's a. real one. I got a I got a slum tat with yellow one. night in a hotel room. >> Oh gosh. Okay. I should have known that. you two found each other.

>> We got Yeah, that was a wild night. But. uh. >> you know, Jagger's just he want he wants. to get into the music. He's got a great. voice, got a great singing voice. And. you know, >> do you support it? Are you behind it? >> I do. You know, there's parts of me that. are like, are you sure? because but. because he's so similar to me that I. just don't want him to like. >> make some of the same mistakes that I've. made and you know like. >> the same way that my mother was kind of. trying to warn me about the slippery. slope of the ism.

>> you know like there's he's got a few of. those characteristics and I have to you. know check in with him like yo dude you. good man you like you using that drink. as like a crutch like what's going on. what's going down like you know he was. the kid that I was like you you know, I. caught with the vape pen at 14 and I'm. going man, like it's a little too young, you know, but it's also like how do you. like my friend said he's like, you know, how do you beat the you out of your. child, you know? And it's like, well,

first, don't beat your child. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No beatings. >> But, you know, it's like those things. about me that I see in him that might be. challenges or it's going to happen. You. know what I mean? Like, he's. >> I think it's what you said earlier. though with him is that you lead by. example. Yeah, >> because that's what got through to you. >> So, that's what we'll get through to. him. >> And and I'm, you know, we're doing and. he's they're both great kids. They're. both, they live under the same roof. And. so, I got to hear the drama. Two. brothers living underneath, you know, the same roof and just, oh, f this kid. F. He leaves his crap everywhere. And.

I'm just like, dude, do not call me. about this. Put your like your big boy. pants on and figure it the out. You know. what I mean? Like, straight up. >> You're like, try touring with freaking. 10 people. >> Yeah, exactly. Like in a tour? Yeah. >> Yeah. In one bus. >> You could just smell the fart coming out. of the bunk. >> I can't do it. Yeah. I travel separately. with my own bus when I travel with my. husband on tour because I am not about. to bunk up with a bunch of dudes. All. the boys. >> Not happening. No. We have We have the. girl bus. There's like crock-pot meals.

and like you know, everybody's just. having a good time. And then you go over. to my husband's bus and it's just. trashed everywhere. >> Mayhem. Pork chops. Got all over the. place probably, right? >> Yeah. Well, yeah. Busy's on the bus for. sure. His dog. So, circling back to the. music really quick. Can you please. re-release Tightroppe for me, >> dude? So, we did a uh we did a 2020 uh. re-record of it after like Tik Tok and. stuff was popping. We were like, we're. going to go re-record some of our songs. And so, we did a re-record of Tightro. Rope. >> And uh it's on Spotify. You should go.

check it out. >> I will. >> Yeah. The 2020 version. I actually just. did uh. >> we did this kind of retrospective day. today through all of our albums. We. just, my brother lives out here. He does. all my social media. >> And so we actually did a a few Tik Toks. uh and Instagram type posts um for that. song. Tightroppe in particular. It's one. of my favorite. >> Yeah, you went deep. You went deep on. that one. >> Listen, Tightroppe when that album came. out, I everybody loved, you know, all. the other songs and Tightroppe would.

would just resonated with me. Tightroppe. has always been my jam. I loved that. song. I just feel like I don't know. I. just felt the words. And then the other. song that nobody ever really talks about. with you is Scars. >> Yeah. >> Like Yeah. I love you know Last Resort. and I love why you wrote it because you. wrote it about a friend who was going to. commit. Can we talk about Scars because. I feel like that solidified you in as. like legendary status and like staying. in the game because yeah, you can come.

out with that first record that but. there's always one hit wonders and then. I mean you've had way more than just. scars also but. >> Scars came next correct that was like. your biggest one. That was like that was. a that was a very like redeeming. moment for the band because after Last. Resort and Infest, our first album, we. toured the world. We sold millions of. albums. >> It's hard to follow up something like. that. >> I'm telling you, dude, it was just like. we had we hit rock bottom for a minute. and it was like I remember going out and. touring on Love Hate Tragedy, the album.

after that, >> and we sold. almost on the brink of a million. records, and it was considered like a. commercial failure. And I'm like. like is it over? You know cuz at this. time it was like. uh music uh in pop culture was changing. It was like the strokes had came out, the vines uh the hives. uh you know uh the white stripes all. this new wave of music was happening and.

we were not that you know and I'm like. dude how are we going to survive this? And so we were back to the drawing board. and uh this was right scars was right at. the time when this was the first time I. tried to get sober. You know, I remember. calling the producer Howard Benson. >> I I uh. >> in a blackout I was threat I was like. threatening to burn my house down and. like it was you know luckily my wife.

didn't call the cops. She called my. parents. you know, my mom came and just. slap checked me into, you know, into. shape. >> Sometimes we need those. >> Yeah. And it was one of those like. moments of clarity for one that was one. of the first moments of clarity for me. I was like, >> I think I got a problem. Like this. alcohol's got a hold of me. And uh I I. uh I decided to get sober and I called. my producer and right before we were. moving to LA, Kelly and I and we my son.

Michael at the time was maybe just like. one year old and I'm like we're packing. up the family. We're going down to LA. cuz I wasn't about to go down to LA just. volatile and out of my head. And uh call my producer and I'm like I'm. getting sober and he's like you're going. to do what? And I remember he gave me. attitude, gave me lip about wanting to. get sober. He's like, "That's what'sing. wrong with all these musicians now. Everybody's getting sober and up rock. and roll." And I just remember like.

hanging up the phone going. down to LA to go punch this guy in the. face. >> Yeah, that's terrible. you. And uh I. cooled off on the drive, got down there, you know, and uh we had this batch of. songs and Scars was one of those songs. And uh we presented all the songs to the. producer. >> and uh it was one of those songs that he. the producer was kind of like, I'm not. so sure about that one. Like it's good, but it's like we would grade all of our. songs like this is a A song, this is a B.

song, this is a C song. And I think it. would he graded it like a C. And we're. like, we just knew that there was. something special in this song. >> And I think that uh because it was so. different from the sound of like quote. Papa Roach. >> that it wasn't necessarily it caught the. it didn't really catch the ear of the. producer, but it. >> I feel like. >> whenever we do something that kind of. makes me feel a little uncomfortable. creatively, >> vulnerable. >> Yeah. It just there's that there's.

something special about that and I just. we held on to that. We're like, we have. to like see this song through. And uh we. did and we got to the end of it and we. presented this the album to Jimmy I at. the time was the president of the. company and he's a very knowledgeable. wellrespected you know industry music. mogul. >> and we turn turned the record into him. >> and he hit us back and he's like well. you know the song Scars it's pretty good. but I feel like you need to go back into.

the studio and re-record it to make it. sound more like it's been a while by. Stained. And I'm like, do you mean like it's like I just I just. was kind of like taken back like God. this this music business is like they're. trying to tell us how to. do what we do and I. >> He felt like he was controlling your. creativity. >> Oh yeah, absolutely. And I was very. offended. >> What did the original sound sound as. soft? Not I don't want to say soft but. sound as intimate as. >> well. So we went in and re-recorded the.

song, right? Okay. And it was the most. like average white guy BS rock dribble. that we had ever written. We turned it. in. We're like, "This is trash." And so. the version of Scars that you hear now. is the was the original version that we. turned into Jimmy I. >> Okay. >> So it was like we went through the. motions of like, "All right, cool. We'll. try to like appease you." Which, dude, Stained is an amazing band. The song. It's Been a While is an amazing song, >> but it just was it didn't fit for Scars.

for us to try to revamp it to sound like. that. We went through the exercise, went. through the motions, but. >> it just didn't. I think he well obviously he realized. and was like, "All right, we'll go with. the original version. We'll go with your. gut. You know, this is on you." And I'm. like, "That's right. It's on me." Like, "Let's go." And uh that album uh we we. led with Getting Away with Murder. The. song Getting Away with Murder, that song. went to the top of the rock charts. And. then when we release Scars, I'm like,

I'm like crossing my fingers. I'm like, "Fuck, dude. This like this is this is. like sinker swim for us because, you. know, we're starting the industry is. like starting to look back at us like, "Oh, this band is like a real thing.". Scars went straight to the top of the. rock charts and then moved up into the. pop charts and we had a top t top five. uh hot AC top five pop record with with. scars and that was just like so. validating. I only have one plaque of of.

Papa Roach uh hanging in my house and. it's that for Getting Away with Murder. that album because it just meant so much. to me. like the first album was like it. it was powerful and you know I mean we. sold more records on the first album. than we did with Getting Murder and. Scars. But I think that. kind of coming back from I guess almost. the brink of disaster and complete utter. failure as a band in the mainstream to.

be able to come back and and pop off. again and sell you know nearly 2 million. records on that album was like so. rewarding and just like. >> we can do this like we can like we broke. the curse of being a one hit wonder, >> you know? And so that song is like. >> straight up like another one of those a. gift that keeps on giving. It's honestly. become like. >> a staple of who we are, you know? So. >> it's it's funny cuz when fans talk to.

>> talk to us about old school Papa Roach, I'm like we've been around so long. I'm. like, "All right, like what what era of. Papa do you think old school Papa Roach. is? Is it like is it 2005 Papa Roach? Is. it the year 99 Papa Roach? Is it 2010. Papa Roach? Cuz you know we've like. gained different fans at different. points in our in our story. And so yeah, it's like when somebody says old school. Papa Roach, I'm just like [ __ ] I'm.

confused. I don't know what you want. So. we're just. >> like, I need a year. Give me tell me. what year you're talking about here, buddy. >> Exactly. And yeah, so Scars was. definitely one of those songs that broke. down a lot of barriers for our band. Do. you ever look back at your legacy that. you've built and just be proud of. yourself? I think as I get older and I think I. think it was 20 the year 2020 when we. hit the 20 year anniversary of that. album Infest that I started to get that.

like proud dad kind of moment about what. we'd done and just looking at man we've. we've done this like this dream that I. had when I was. >> 14 15 16. I'm living it like this this dream had. become reality ity. Yeah, maybe at times. it was a nightmare, but it really like. it it is it is everything that I wanted. and more. It's the journey. >> and it is and and you know it's I I look. at it and I'm so grateful that you know.

I made the mistakes I made and I. recovered from those mistakes and I was. able to grow musically, creatively, personally, spiritually. and in so many ways. And and now, you. know, it's like here we are. It's 2026. Like my mind is blown. I'm still in the. game. Yeah. you know, we just uh leave a. light on, one of our last singles. You. know, it's like who would have thought. in a gajillion years that we would have.

an acoustic song that rocked, you know, went to the top of the rock charts and. and, you know, moved into the. alternative space again and then to like. have a lady like Carrie Underwood bless. the track, you know, I'm just like, I. got to keep pinching myself. Like, >> dude, the gift just keeps on giving. like it just keeps revealing itself to. me in so many cool and fun and. interesting ways that I'm just like each. day I wake up when it comes to this. creativity I'm like all right what do. you got for me now God like where we.

going you know it's like it's such a. >> it's a cool experience and as and as. hopeful as I am. it's as it can be as dreadful as as. possible some days I wake it was funny. like two days ago I woke up and I just. was like on the phone with my wife Kelly. and I'm just like she's like, "What's. wrong?" And I'm like, "I just want to. curl up in a ball and like not be Jacobe. today. I just I just am like I'm I'm. just I'm exhausted. And it's so wild how. like I can wake up like that. Like have.

so many gifts on blessings on blessings. on blessings and still wake up just not. wanting to like. >> get out of bed. >> You're human. >> Yeah. And I just I was like it was so It. sounds so corny. I'm like, "Babe, >> can you just like just [ __ ] just tell me. I'm the man? Like, just tell me I can go. get this. Like, just like gas me up. I I. just need it." And she's like, "You're. the [ __ ] man, honey." And I'm like, >> and I just It's like sometimes. >> she breathes life into you.

>> Yeah. My husband does the same thing, though. I said, "My husband does the. same thing, though.". >> Yeah. And it's like I think that like. that there's this there's this. brokenness that's still in me that that. I'm trying and it's just a journey that. I'm continually trying to to heal in. myself and uh this music has just been. it's been a reflection of that. It's. been the soundtrack of that and my. mistakes and my failures and my. triumphs, they all come through, you. know, and something as simple as my wife.

just saying, "Honey, you're the man. you. could do it. Like she don't I don't even. know if she knows like how much those. simple gestures or just like something. simple like. >> she could just tell I'm having like a a. day and she'll just like reach over and. like put her hand on my neck and like. massage the back of my neck and I'm just. like. >> like everything's going to be okay, you. know, cuz it's like I think there's a. lot of weight I think I carry as.

>> it's a lot of pressure. >> as like you know there is a a lot of. pressure in this business to like. >> Well, there's a lot of pressure to. continue. Yes. >> To keep going with Papa Roach. There's. so much pressure because of all the. years that you've been doing. Everybody's waiting for your next move. >> Yeah. I ain't bulletproof. I ain't. Superman. >> But I sure as [ __ ] try to put on like I. am sometimes. And when I am on stage, I. feel that way. I really do. I feel like. I'm like invincible. And then when I get. back, you know, come back down to earth. and I like sit on the couch and like.

just take a breath and and then the. reality of just who I am sets in and I'm. like I'm just a man, you know, I'm just. a dude trying to get it right, trying to. make the night next right decision, you. know, trying not to be a dirt bag, trying to be honest and make the next, you know, right move. And, you know, it's like, >> do you take breaks for yourself? Like, do you go on vacation? What do you do to. reset your mental health? Oh yeah. Um. that's I I had a conversation with one. of my managers yesterday. I'm like,

"Dude, after I get back from this trip, it's it's time to unplug." And he's. like, "Actually, you got to come back to. Nashville and shoot a music video in a. couple weeks." I'm all. >> And I start to get pissed on. And I'm. like, "Qality problems.". >> Yeah. >> Quality problem. But I'm going to go. home and I'm going to chuck this phone. >> My husband does that all the time. >> I'm just like, "I'm going to turn it. off. I'm just going to go disappear.". Um, for me, getting out in nature is a. huge thing for me. Uh, my fitness and my.

my exercise is a big thing for me. Running is like been a a comfort comfort. place for me. >> I live real close to the American River. and there's all these uh horse trails. that I'll just go out and I will go run. those trails until I'm physically. exhausted and I just come back like. renewed. And I I work out. I don't run. to music. So I I uh process a lot of these. questions and anxieties and frustrations. and you know songs come to me in those.

moments and lyric ideas come to me in. those moments and you know so so I do. that. Um, I uh I I'm very mindful of my. eating habits and you know just as jelly. like you know food has sometimes been a. thing to me like I'm a binging kind of. guy and so putting those things in check. and like having some discipline and. obedience in my life has really like. given me like. it's strengthened me you know um and I.

think also uh breath work has has been. something for me That's like. >> phenomenal. >> Yeah, it's I I uh during co when. everybody's locked up, a really good. friend of mine, this guy named Sunny. Mayo was running a a he's a a sober. brother of mine. He was running a breath. work class uh on Zoom and he's like, "Dude, you should show up to one of. these." And I showed up and I did this. 25minut breath work and it was just like. a floodgate of emotion just broke in me.

and I just like just all these things. that I was carrying around it just it. just flooded out and he gave me some. some sound advice you know cuz I was. really struggling for a moment and he's. like can I suggest something to you I'm. like yeah man I'll take anything right. now and he's like. first thing you do when you wake up is. you slide down off the side of your bed. and you hit your knees and you pray and. And then right after that, you grab your. pad of paper and you go write two to. three pages of just whatever's in your. head.

>> Yeah. >> And it's called morning pages. And so I. did that for the better part of a year, year and a half. And just I would just. the crazy [ __ ] I would write and just. the things that were in my head I was. like, "Dude, are you okay?". >> But I think that writing out that crazy. was very therapeutic for me. And so I, you know, these these types of routines. that I go back to when things are. getting sticky. It's like breath work, meditation, prayer. Now I'm on to doing. this uh men's Bible study. You know, these things that these, you know, I got. this toolkit now when like life's.

getting shifty and I want to like, >> you know, just. >> make a bad decision. It's like, no, dude, pause. Pause. Like don't light. your life on fire. >> Don't you know? And that's kind of what. this. >> self-sabotage. >> Yeah. Oh god. I was the king of it for. years. >> Yes. >> And uh I've come to a point now, you. know, where it's like I don't want to. sabotage this thing. It's too good. It's. I got too much to be grateful for, you. know, and gratitude is another uh. another tool of mine that really puts. things in perspective, >> you know. I on my social media, that's.

kind of how I part I've chosen to. participate with it. I just put up a. gratitude list. >> Can we bring those back? cuz I I have. been waiting for one minute. I went to. go look yesterday and I was like, why. haven't I seen his gratitude list? You. haven't posted since last year. >> Yeah, it's been a minute. Yeah, it was. like July. Not that I haven't written. gratitude lists. It's just, you know, I. just kind of was just like, I'm not. going to post, but I should. >> I don't think you realize how much those. gratitude lists mean to people cuz I. would read them. I would read your.

gratitude lists and and again, your. vulnerability. I didn't I've always. known the music. I never knew you until. I started following you. And then when. you were doing those gratitude lists, >> it would like gave us a glimpse inside. of who your it gave us a glimpse of your. heart. >> where like we can hear your heart in the. music of course, but to hear see your. words and just your vulnerability like. that every day with your gratitude list. was really a beautiful thing. >> All right, challenge accepted. >> Bring them back. Bring them back. >> I'll bring it all back. I mean, it's. 20K. It's a new year, you know?

>> I think you should. I I really think you. should. All right, I'm not going to keep. you much longer because I feel like I've. been talking your ear off also, but can. we end this? I have Sharon Osborne. coming on the podcast. Oh, really? And I. heard a story that Sharon crawled in. your ass one time, but that like you. really needed that. >> Oh, yeah. >> And I want to ask her about her version. of it, too, if that's okay with you. whenever I have her on the podcast next. week. Absolutely. Tell me what happened. with that. Well, first off, please give. her a warm a big old hug for me and just. tell her hello and and warm regards and.

>> you know just thinking about her, praying praying for her and her family. during this tough time and. >> you know but yeah that moment I was just. you know uh you know just drinking. trying to start riots while I started a. riot on Ozfest encouraged the fans to. destroy the venue. They continue they. they obliged and destroyed the venue. Um, my ANR was like, "Dude, just jump in. the back of the my town car." So, I. because the cops were looking for me. And so, I jumped in the back of in the. in the trunk of the town car cuz they.

were searching vehicles as I was. leaving. Got out of there. They they. ended up getting a hold of my ANR and. said, "Listen, you know, like if you if. Jacobe doesn't come back and surrender. to the cops, he's going to get arrested. for evading the police and like you. don't want that. You don't want that. type of smoke." So, I turned around. I I. turned myself into the New Jersey State. Police and uh I was detained and you. know they were cool enough to me. You. know, I had to pay a ma I was I was. bailed out later that evening. Um I had. to pay a massive fine. And then I was.

like cool. I'm like going back to the. bus and they're like I get back to the. venue and they're like uh uh uh got to. come talk to mama. And I went into the. office and I had to sit down with Sharon. and she just chewed me a new [ __ ]. She's like you got the [ __ ] world in. the palm of your hands and you're just. acting like an idiot. come to my. festival, you you start a riot, you. destroy the venue. And she just read me. the riot act, you know, and like she's. like, "You're lucky I don't kick you off. this tour right now. You're lucky you're. selling millions of records right now. because your have been out of here, you. know, and I just was like, you know, and.

>> this little woman just chewing into you. >> Just a pistol, you know, a fire plug.". And uh, you know, I needed that. I. straight up needed it. Like I'm so. grateful that she just checked me and uh. I it it really like I was humbled. straight up. I was like God I didn't. want to like get kicked off Ozfest. because it was like yo we were out on. tour with it was like P Roach, Lincoln. Park, Slipnot, Marilyn Manson, Aussie. Osborne like it was just the sickest. >> Music was so good.

>> Yeah, it was so rad. And I am just so. grateful that she just chewed my ass out. and set me straight because, you know, I. uh I had the world in the palm of my. hands and I was selling millions of. records and I didn't want to ruin my. career and and it really like changed. the way that I approached this thing. And you know, I I I think I maybe set up. set off a few more riots, you know, but. just they weren't on Fest. >> It was just on your way out. You just. had to let everybody know that. >> Yeah. I was like, "All right." So, I'm.

still, you know, wild as [ __ ]. >> I still got it. >> Yeah. And so, uh, I definitely I I paid. I paid some fines in my day and, uh, I. was banned from that venue for years and. I eventually had gone back and was able. to play there again, which was cool. We. went back and did a tour with Nickelback. and got back on that stage and it was. cool. >> Daddy Chatty. >> Yeah, I love Daddy Chat. >> Yeah, he's he's legit, man. It was a fun. one on that tour. But yeah, thank you. Sharon uh, for ripping me a new [ __ ]. I needed it. Um, I'm healed from that. and I learned my lessons. So, thank you.

>> We love that. Can we expect a country. album from you since you're in Nashville. so much? >> Oh, man. Who knows? You know, I actually. just uh I did some writing with this guy. D who's actually done some stuff with. Jelly. >> I love D. D writes all my Christmas. music. >> Yeah, dude. D is the business, dude. I. love it, man. We became fast friends. We. just wrote a couple songs together uh. just recently. And uh yeah, you know, who knows? You might find me in. Nashville dipping in the world a little. bit. I'd love, you know, I think the way. that I would like dip into it is to just. guest on some country people's albums. I.

think that that would be a natural. >> My husband's about to drop a new album. >> Oh, dude. Hey, just holler at. >> I'll put it in his ear. I'll put. >> holler at him. You know, you know, I'm. good for it. >> I got you. >> But yeah, uh, who knows where it takes. us. And, you know, I just want to say. congrats to you. Congrats to you. You. know, you and your family and crushing. it and killing it. And. >> thank you for having me. It's been a. long time coming. And you know, me and. my wife are like I was like, "Dude, I'm. going to be on Bunny's podcast." She's. like, "Oh, sick, dude. This is tight. I. can't wait to watch cuz she watches all. your stuff." So, >> Oh, I love that. Thank you so much for.

coming, Jacobe. I'm so glad we finally. got to sit down. And anytime you want to. come promote anything, anytime, any My. couch is always open, so let me know. >> Absolutely. >> Thank you guys for tuning in to another. episode of Dumb Belon. I'll see you guys. next week. Bye.