Farrah Abraham | Dumb Blonde Podcast

Is this thing on? >> Bonnie, who used to be a former sex. worker and now hosts the podcast Dumb. Blonde. >> Most little girls grow up wanting to be. doctors and lawyers, and I was like, "I. want to be super [music] hot, make a lot. of [ __ ] money, and be a rock star's. wife." That was my goal as a child, and. here we are. What's up, you sexy. mothers? Welcome to another episode of. Dumb Blonde. Today, I have a. mother-daughter duo, which is a first. for me, because I normally don't do. mother-daughter duos, but these two have. grown up together in the public eye, and.

I figured what better duo to bring on. than Sophia and Farrah Abraham. >> Yes. I know, what a good duo. That is true. I. feel like we've definitely grown up. together. I am her mom. >> [laughter]. >> But, yes. >> I just want to say you look beautiful. >> Thank you. >> like the tabloids attack you so much for. like work that you get done, and I mean, you know, they attack me, too, so I know. how it feels, but it's like seeing you.

in person, I'm like, you look gorgeous. Like, what what are they talking about? >> Yeah, thanks. You know, I can't help but. social media cameras look like that. That cracks me up, because literally, as. we're playing in here, I'm like, "Sophia, someone tagged you on this. crazy like artwork of my botched face. >> [laughter]. >> that doesn't look like my botched face.". I'm like, "This is funny today. This. gives me some laughter." Uh Sophia just. like laughs at it, too, but I'm like, "I'm really happy I don't do like much. work. I take things out of my face. I.

really am on a journey of like really. getting back to myself." And so, it's. kind of funny when I just do a live, and. our cameras are weird, and people think. I've gone crazy with plastic surgery, but that's not the case. >> Well, I figured it out, because I went. down a wormhole just like reading, and. it's because you use filters. And so, that's honestly, I the same thing was. happening to me. People were like, "How. much work have you had done?" And and. like, "Bro, I've had Botox and a little. bit of filler in my lips done. Like, what are they talking about?" And that's.

because. >> gone. >> the filters that we use make us look. like we have way more work done than we. do because you're sitting here and you. look gorgeous. So, I'm just like. >> I do have my Farrah filter that has like. had billions of hits and I love it. And. if I don't like to get ready that day, I. will totally use that. >> Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> What have you had done so that we can. clarify that with everybody? >> Well, I You know, okay, so I will just. say I have had a nose job. I have had a.

chin implant. I. And then I just dabble here and there. with fillers at times um they go, you. know, they stay, they go. Um but I also. like was trying to do a lip implant and. I was on Botched, the show, um because I almost died from that. So, and I took out my chin implant. Um. but for some reason. >> out the chin implant? >> took out my chin implant. And for some. reason, people always go back and. compare.

Farrah looks great like this with the. face that had a chin implant, a swollen. nose from a surgery, um just. I was actually really depressed at that. year of my life. Like, that was the most. um what's it called like when you're. just. >> the lowest, your lowest point. >> Yeah, it's like a face dysmorphia. Like, when you have body dysmorphia. I had. that at that time when I had that chin. implant. And so, for people to say, "Oh, we love Farrah better then" when I was.

definitely like anti myself, um and peer pressured and just like, "Oh, I want to look good." That was just. like way too much. So, I love my face. now. I love who I am. I love coming back. to myself. Maybe like just rejuvenation. and skin tightening and really taking. care and upkeep of myself is what I. pride myself on and that's like good. self love. There's nothing wrong with. that. >> Yeah, I know. I think people get it. twisted. They're like a women get filter. fillers and Botox and stuff like that.

They're like, "Oh, she must be unhappy. with herself." And it's like, "No, I. like to invest in myself. Your body is. an investment. >> an investment. >> temple. You got to dress it up or dress. it down, whatever you want to do, but. it's your body to do that with. So, well, yeah, enough about your looks. I. just wanted to hone in on that because I. feel like the tabloids just tear you. apart for that and that's not fair. You. know, so I don't like that at all, but. Sophia, we have you sitting here, too. How are you doing, baby? >> I'm doing good. >> She just got her tongue pierced, so she. said she doesn't want to talk a lot. The. tongue piercing actually caused a ton of.

controversy. >> I know people hate a lot on like every. single piercing I get and it's just. like, "Chill. Like, it's not that big of. a deal, you know?" But, I do know some. people are really strict about that. growing up and um. but it's just me and I feel like getting. piercings enhances my looks. and I feel really confident about them. and I make sure to get ones that I know. I would actually look good in.

Um. so, yeah, I'm confident in my piercings. and I love them and they are all healing. really good. >> I love that. Yeah. >> Yeah, I love that. I went through a. piercing phase when I was young, too. I. did it behind my parents' back though. because they wouldn't allow it. How do. you feel about everybody just. questioning your parenting because you. let your kid get What is it? A tongue. piercing and snake bites? >> Yeah, good good point, Bonnie. >> [laughter]. >> Segue into how I feel. Um so, we've had parents even come with.

us to the piercing place like on her. birthday. Um and I do see the psychological like. spiral that other parents go through. when they're seeing Sophia choose this, consent to do this. I have to sign off. as a parent and give consent to it. And I'm not there to freak out, go into. spiral, like shame, blame, reject my. child. I'm here to make sure my child.

seen, she is safe, and she is supported. So, if those three things are always top. of mind, then I know that what I'm. doing, the footsteps that I'm walking in. my parent journey are right where they. need to be for my child. So, um yeah, I could I could say a lot about. other parents and what they feel about. me and my daughter's friends' parents, but I also know once they calm. themselves and maybe do a therapy.

session, they usually text me. and really are like, "Wow, you opened my. eyes to parenting in a different way.". >> I love that. >> Yeah, I was never the girl though. I was. never the kid growing up to be like, "Could I get a piercing? Could I get a. tattoo? Could I get this? Could I get. that?" It was just. no one ever had any of those things. growing up and so I just never thought. about it and when. I'm like famous and people are just. like, "I'll give you free this, free. this, free this, free tattoos." Like I.

could tattoo up my whole body, I could. do all that. I just myself personally, I'm not prepared for that, but I see. like Sophia is prepared, she's at that. point in her mental state, in her life, and she. can do that and I'm not the person to I. don't know, I've just gone through this. whole thing with a lot of legal battles. that I am going through and I learned so. much about consent culture and leading. with that and allowing someone to have. their will, their rights, their. freedoms. And I think that's just very.

important on maybe the littlest things, like a piercing or tattoos. And so, I'm. just again, those three things, seen, safe, supported. That's all I need to be. for my child. >> I never thought that I would agree with. you more. I [laughter] totally feel the. same way because I feel like in this. generation of parenting and children cuz. we have a 16-year-old, she's about to be. 16. Um. there's so much You got to choose your. battles. There are so much more that.

were that these kids could get into, excuse my language. that these kids could be getting into. And it's like if they want to get a. piercing, they're going to It's either it's a. phase or it's not. I kept mine for 20. years, you know what I'm saying? So, it's like if Bailey wants to come to me. and get a piercing, that's going to make me happy cuz she. could be like doing other things that. are way worse behind my our parent you. know, her parents' back and I just. totally agree with that. I think making. kids feel seen and heard and letting. them be who they want to be and having. free will is. an amazing route to go. How do you feel.

about that? Do you love that your mom. lets you get piercings and stuff like. that? >> Yeah, I'm very grateful that she. supports all my decisions and my. piercings. >> I We love your look. We were just. talking about it. I was like, if I could. look like Sofia, I would cuz that's. really how I look on the inside. [laughter]. >> I love Sofia's look, too, and I'm happy. with whatever look she decides and what. she loves. Um. yeah, I just feel like I was just raised. in a different way. Like I was called a. witch for wanting a rhinoplasty. I like.

>> By your mom? >> Yeah, by my mom. So, I know that that doesn't give anyone. self-worth, like feeling worthy. And that is number one when you're. getting, you know, if you have fame or. if you have anything, your self-worth. needs to be built up so that you are not. vulnerable for other things. Like I was. very much predatored on um and still. dealing with some of those problems. So, I'm just trying to set up uh a next. generation to have that.

>> safe space. >> great. Yeah, that safe place, be seen, know who they are, and not seek that in. other people. >> Not seek validation in other people. Speaking of moms, would you consider. your mom your best friend? >> I mean, yeah, she is my mom. >> [laughter]. >> And I am your mom. >> My best friend. >> Yeah, thank you so much. I love you. You're so You're so cute. I'm so cold, but I want to give you a. hug. >> Aw. >> I love you, honey. I love you.

>> You guys have pretty much grown up. together. >> Yeah. >> The world has watched both of you guys. grow up. Like literally you as a baby. You have grown up in front of the world. and I think that's why everybody is so. obsessed with you now. Like you're kind. of like the new it girl on Tik Tok right. now because everybody's like, "What's. Sophia doing?". >> Yeah. >> Sophia does not like to show much that. she does though. >> Yeah. >> That could be the emo in her, but yes. [laughter]. >> I'm not emo, I'm goth. >> Oh, goth. That could be the goth in her. Describe to us Explain to us what the. difference between emo and goth is just.

in case people at home don't know. >> So, I do know that there is many types. of. goth goth out there, like traditional. goth and just I would say regular goth. Um but emo is like. regular. dark clothes, I feel like, and. accessories. I mean, today I'm kind of. emo cuz I didn't want to go all out. Um but goth, I feel like it's like. black dresses, corsets,

and lots of jewelry, sometimes belts. Um. I follow a lot of goth people on Tik Tok. and they are so cool. I admire them and. I want to be like traditional goth, I. feel like one day. >> Mhm. >> Um. but yeah, today I'm kind of emo, I would. say. >> I love all of it. I love goth, I love. emo, I love it all. >> [laughter]. >> I always thought it was music selection. I always thought Mimi, didn't we talk. about this before? Isn't like emo and. goth like music selection? Isn't it?

>> Music and interest of like the culture. cuz like got emo culture is. significantly different than the gothic. culture of like what your interests are. in per se of those things and their. music is completely 50/50 different. >> Right. >> Yes. >> That's awesome. >> Farah, do you feel like you are having. an opportunity to be the mom that you. never had with Sophia? >> Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it's the. opportunity to be the mom that I never. have, but I have one opportunity to be. the best parent that I can be in my. life. I have no competition with my mom,

my grandma, my sister. I have no. competition with anyone to be the best. mom. I am running my own race and being. the best parent that I can be. And. [snorts] I was giving given like. eye-opening experiences in my lifetime. to say like I'm not repeating that with. my child. So like public school, it. wasn't going to be repeated. Um I had a. superintendent as a neighbor. No matter. how much we push and push and push to. have a better, safer public school. environment, it just never happened for.

me. Like fights, bad situations, and. I guess like when like a public or. governmental system fails, I take it. upon myself to just lead. Um so I found. like best homeschooling practices. and whatever else like for Sophia's. career, those type of things. I don't know. No one's laid out the No. one's laid out that path. So I've. definitely I'm just like I'm on this. journey and figuring out as fast and as. best as I can.

>> I don't think anybody knows how to be a. parent. I inherited a child and and. we're still figuring it out, you know? We got full custody of Bailey 7 years. ago and there nobody gives you a. handbook and says, "Hey, this is how you. have to be a parent." And there's also. no one-size-fits-all to being a parent. It's Every child is different. Every. emotion, every personality, every it's. just all different. And so I think. what I think as long as Sophia is happy. and healthy and feels like she's safe, that's you're already winning.

>> Yeah. >> You know, and do you feel these things, Sophia? >> Yes. [laughter]. >> She's shaking her head over here. >> Yeah, I mean, everyone is different. I. mean, I got Sophia's brain scanned and I. got my brain scanned. >> Doc Amen, right? >> Dr. Amen and. >> How was that? Cuz I was going to do that. with him, too, but I I chickened out. >> Yeah, it is life-changing. I I feel like. that is literally what I mean, to know. yourself better than anyone else could. tell you who you are. I think that's. probably like. the biggest gift in our journey of life. is to know yourself, see yourself fully,

not guess from a therapist and be like, oh, I I have this, I'm dealing with. this, and well, let's try to like guess. Um, but I also think for children who. just aren't diagnosed properly with. different uh ADA compliances, I just was kind of tired of not having. the help or the support, and that's why. we kept switching schools. Um, but. myself, I found out that I was like ADA. compliant ADHD I like when I was 29.

And to go through my whole life of. people just wrongfully firing me, telling me I'm difficult, like girls not. liking me, my family like kind of. disowning me, I just was like. I I can't be mad at them. I can't. dislike them. I can't like have hate. towards them. But I also know like I just need people. who are educated around me. I need to. thrive. I'm done with all that traumatic. crisis behavior, and just I really want.

to have education in my journey now as. parenting. So, >> So, you feel like getting that diagnosis. helped kind of clear things up for you. of like, oh, this is why I've acted the. way that I've acted, and this is why. people have perceived me of how I've. been acting. >> And I also think like dating, when you. know like what your brain type is and. what you like. Like I think only certain. dating shows show like, oh, this is a. pet peeve and this is what I don't like. but if we really like started employing. like. brain matching and like those.

psychological factors we would find our. soulmates faster. We would understand. what we need like what's going to be a. good match for us. So yeah. >> Describe to me what a brain match is cuz. I would like to know. >> Yes, [laughter] so Dr. Amen has. something free online and it's like a. brain survey and you find your brain. type. So I have brain type two so if he. has 10 right? Pardon me, yeah. So if he has brain type 10 and it kind. of. >> what they are to me? Like what is a two. and what is a 10? >> Okay, so pardon me with my AD.

>> [laughter]. >> ADHD and attention deficit disorder is. like I will like short term memory loss. I can't recite it back. I'd have to look. it up. Um so just being frank but so. mine's like I don't even know. I forgot. like the foods, um types of friends, types of jobs. >> Okay, so it breaks it down like that. >> it down. They kind of make it. individualistic. and yeah, so when I went on this like 12. step dating journey and learning how to. date again. and we were talking so much so she was.

like go on all these dates. and I stopped doing dating shows cuz it. just was not happening there. And I was. like talking to these people in depth. like about intentional dating like. trying to figure out like their brain. types and sure enough the boyfriend I. have right now. he has the same brain type as me. He. took the survey and he's going to get. his brain scanned. >> That's like us with the autism test. >> [laughter]. >> We make everybody that wants to come in. our circle and hang out take the autism. test cuz I am high on the autism thing.

so is Haley and so is Mimi. We all are. like. >> Oh I have no idea. What's the autism. >> Oh I'm going to give it to you. It's. what is it? RADS? Yeah, we'll send it to. you. >> I would love to take this autism test. Okay. >> No, please. You guys have to take it. tonight and I I to know you guys'. scores. >> Okay. Um. >> [laughter]. >> So does this mean everyone has autism? >> I mean, I think a a lot of us have a. splash of it for sure. >> For some reason that didn't show up on. my brain scan. I just want to let you. know. I don't know if I can be in your. friend group. >> [laughter].

>> Does autism show up on brain scans? I. wonder if it does or if it doesn't. I'm. not positive about that. >> From what I know, he does describe how. he diagnoses people with certain levels. of autism. and many different kind of brains. >> Okay, I didn't know that. >> I'm trying to think back. Well, anyways, there's graphs. I also did direct. neurofeedback for my brain too after um. having a brain scan. And they talked. about all different kinds of things to. correct it, help those, so I did like. 200 sessions of that.

>> That's amazing. I love that you're. always working on yourself. >> Yeah, I did a whole year of that. Now. I'm kind of done with it, but it was it. was needed. >> Take me on this journey that um you did. a 12-step therapy trauma therapy. program. >> Yeah, I did and I think it was uh it's. going to be 2 years in March. Um I did a. trauma 12-step program. I think that's. what it was, like a recovery program. Um and literally changed my life. So I.

had The reason why I finally went, I. feel like a lot of us don't understand. like if you could search up like. spiritual melody chart, I didn't know. what that was at all until I stepped. foot in here, but I saw it in life. All. of us see it in life. Like when we're. looking at. someone going through a hard time, maybe. depression, maybe anxiety, all these. things, their spiritual melody is being. like. upset. And when someone reaches such a. certain level, they're at risk of.

hurting themselves, death, whatever, attracting a lot of negative things. So. at the time when I was going to the. trauma center, I um. was kind of stuck. in a repetitive pattern that was. attracting a lot of criminal activity to. me. And now it's so funny because after the. center I just attract the best people to. me. >> Right. >> So I think that's something to keep in. mind if you are feeling like woah, I. keep dating lots of bad people, I keep.

like being attacked on the street, I. keep having a lot of. fights and arguments, it's because you. need a reset, you need a recover. And a. lot of people just don't think they. deserve. trauma help. >> Mhm. So when you went to the what was. this exact program? Was it like to. actually treat like childhood trauma or. was it like. >> Oh, so I was. sexually assaulted. >> Okay. >> Um recently. It wasn't like in childhood.

and I think a lot of the people who I. met. they had significant amount of like. assaults trauma, those type of things. very deep like veterans were there. >> Um. >> All sorts of things that they had held. on for a very long time. I think with. one. trauma like a assault trauma, I don't. think I could endure or live. if I didn't go get help. So I was like I. need something. Um.

>> Can you can you talk about the assault? What happened? Is this the situation. that happened with the mayor? >> Yeah, I mean we're like really dealing. with all that stuff like right now. >> Yeah. >> So. I I don't like me to like hold anything. back because I'm sure it would help so. many people. >> Mhm. >> Um but I also know like. we are dealing with someone who is. systemic like habitually a rapist so I. probably don't want to give any fuel to.

that but if we want to just talk about. like great things for other I mean like. honestly I said to myself this week cuz. I'm dealing with so many legal issues. I [snorts] said to myself, I was like, I. think I'm going to have to break down. and just go get. a support group because I'm like. >> tough to hold all that in and not talk. about it. >> Yeah, because again, like B vibes, right? Cultury vibes, opposite of. consent, consensual vibes is lying, continually like masking. And when.

you're going through a legal issue and. someone's always lying and speaking for. you and covering their ass and it's just. like, you know, I can journal about it. But I. also like I truly like to watch movies. that dive into like someone. making peace, getting past it and like. moving on. So it's like. I've made peace with it. I'm trying to. move past it, but then you have these. legal court problems that just go on for.

years, like my. lawyer said at the beginning. And I just feel, you know, like my heart. goes out to so many other victims who. are like going through this stuff for. years. It's just is really tedious. >> Yeah, it's very hard. I do think talking. about it, like you said, is probably the. best thing one for you, therapy, and. two, to help your that's your testimony, you know, something that you've survived. and that you've gone through. So maybe. people are able to connect with you if.

they, you know, were to were to know. more details of what had happened or. what is going on. >> Yeah, I mean, I think it's just. it's this is sad, but from reading so. many legal documents about assaults. because again, I didn't understand the. situation that. I became a part of, which was like a. sexual assault like. problem. and so my lawyers just kept sending me a. lot of like legal documents to read of.

like Jane Does. So I like would. understand what it looks like, why this. happens, like all these things. And then. I got so interested in it and so. passionate that I was like, "Oh, I'm. going to go get a legal degree.". >> [laughter]. >> Um I went down that, I got my paralegal. certificate, and I'm getting ready to do. a JD in law. But I think the comment like this is so. weird that this happened at this time in. my life, but. I saw like innocent people not being. believed. And then I saw a lot of people.

who actually lied. And this could be men or women lie about. being sexually assaulted. And I think. learning from lawyers what we're looking. at, how we're seeing that, how this. comes up, you really know like to fight. for your truth, to stand firm, because. others who lie and kind of like predator. like men or women who they claim that. they were assaulted by, um that's like a whole other.

psychological thing. So, I think there's. like a lot of trauma work no matter. what. Even if you're lying about it, if. you're telling the truth. I've been. going through all this stuff and. breaking that down because I started. writing a screenplay about it, and I. used it in one of my Harvard classes for. screenwriting, and I got to see it like. acted out with actors and read. And I. think like maybe just for me, I would. feel safer. um showing that.

in like a artistic form, like a series. And I love watching movies and TV series. that really help comfort people who are. actually really going through a long, long legal battle. with assault, because I think like. Sophia showed me some funny uh episode. on Shameless about one of the guys like. pretending that he got sexually. assaulted and going in um and going. through this whole process. and I think. sometimes you need. you need someone like my daughter to let.

you laugh and make light of a really. deep dark situation that I was put on. medication for. The medication wasn't. helping. >> Were you. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> assaulted or I don't know what that. means to you. So sorry. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, I mean I mean there's so many. >> Sorry, I'm like I don't know if you know. what I'm saying. >> so many different. you know falls under that umbrella. It's. assault could be being groped, could be. being kissed when you don't want to be. or like this like you that's why I asked.

if you were. >> So this was like someone Oh, sorry. I. didn't like know that you didn't know. that of what Yeah, so there you go. It's. like you know sometimes you can limit. yourself cuz you don't want to get too. close to the problem at hand, right? It's vulnerability. Uh so yeah, I was. drugged and woke up. like thinking like. did someone set me up? Like are we both in this together? Who. would do this? And then I realized it. was him.

who did that and I was stark. did not know where any of my clothes. were. My necklace was broken, all that stuff. and it was just like. flight. Like I just like ran. I just. really didn't know how to behave. >> Yeah. >> So. doing the best you can and I think for a. lot of other. um. victims you do the best you can when. you're the crime scene. Straight up. It's just like a lot of people are like, "I'm watching Crime Stoppers and. Dateline and all these other criminal.

shows." But I think I I was raised with. that too. I love watching criminal shows. too, but like. when you're in it, it's way different. It was literally like sometimes I used. to say like, you know, at different red. carpets are doing these things, "Oh, it's so surreal.". Being assaulted and being like the crime. scene was surreal. That was like. it it just felt like my brain and my. body was not connected. And so I had to. do a lot of somatic work, somatic.

experiencing work on that. >> Mhm, that's heavy. I've never heard. anybody refer to themselves as the crime. scene. That's pretty heavy. That's deep. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that's. >> That's real. >> Moving on from that, I've heard you say. a bunch of things in there. So let me. see if I can catch up. You said you did. a screenplay in your Harvard class. So. are you attending Harvard or. >> So I actually got into argument with. Harvard about my neurodivergence. >> Okay. >> So even [laughter] though I'm ADA. compliant and turned that in. Uh.

yeah, so that lady kicked me out or not. the lady with screenwriting. She gave me. E for exemplary. She like raved. She was. like this is what you need to do. And I. think sometimes when you are going. through trauma, the power of the pen. and writing it and kind of sharing it in. like a theatrical way. it's like that has always been there for. me. So like even when I was pregnant. with Sophia, I lost her father. That was. super traumatic for me. I was in acting. class at that time. And my acting. teacher was like you need to continue.

this or just continue going to classes. She's just like you need to use this as. a power. So if anything, I would say. that for people who are going through. really traumatic experiences. >> So you were going to Harvard and then. and somebody kicked you out. >> Yeah, in one of my other classes, neurodivergence was an issue for her. So. even though that's against the law in. education. >> Wow. >> educational places. So I have found. better colleges. >> [laughter]. >> Got you. >> Yeah. >> Um when you just touched base on her.

father passing, can we talk about that. cuz you were so young when that happened. and that had to have crushed you. >> It did and you know what? Speaking of. the trauma center, I know I went to the. trauma center for a recent. situation that was traumatic. But I did. not know that I should have gone to a. trauma center at 16 when I lost her. father. because yes, that's the first time I was. put on like medication. I was suicidal. Again, not knowing my ADHD combined.

disability and knowing how to deal with. loss, it was just scary. Um and so yeah, when I was at the trauma center, I met. other women who were there because they. lost their boyfriends in traumatic. situations. Um. and like other kind of like people who. had just lost a lot of people. So, um I. was like, "Why didn't I Why did I not. come to the trauma center when I was 16. and pregnant and have all these cool. tools now that I have. in my mind, in my brain, at home?" It.

really probably would have helped me. bounce back quicker maybe from a. assault or bounce back quicker from. other traumas that I continually have. So, I'm just again thankful for that. >> Circling back to the the traumatic. experience of losing her her father. Do. Do you feel like your mom was not there. for you emotionally whenever because it. plays out on the show you and your mom. have a very tumultuous relationship. where it's like very on-again,

off-again. And I I feel as a viewer that. your mom almost wasn't emotionally there. for you. And do you feel like that has. been like a huge thing in you and your. mom's relationship even to this day? >> Yes. Um. You see like on the show that maybe my. mom and I disagree about a lot of. things. I would say in all because I had to like. really, you know, like 12-step inventory. trauma center, you actually write down. it's called the fifth step. You write. down.

anyone you have relationships with. So, I'm writing down my mom. I'm writing. down my dad. Anything. And what came up, just so you know, in. those like 12 steps and like going. through relationships and why maybe. people saw like maybe I didn't feel like. my mom was supportive. It's actually way. more than just not having support. It's. like was I seen? >> Right. >> She never saw how much I loved someone. She like she came up after hearing that. he had passed away that she was happy.

that he was gone. >> Mhm. >> And I think we might have we might have. our own feelings. Like I would with. Sophia and her boyfriends in those. situations. But I do. I do know that like I have reasoning and. capability of understanding like. someone's someone has feelings here and. I need to put my stuff to the side. Um. that was crazy. But a lot of what came. up at the 12 step trauma center when. you're writing down your relationships. is abandonment abandonment abandonment.

And most people will say, "Well, I. didn't abandon you. Like you were living. at my house. I was giving you shelter. I. was doing this.". But abandonment might come from not. being seen, not being feeling safe. I. didn't feel safe in that environment um. and not being supported like we say just. support but it's really like a lot of. those three things that I said I wanted. to do for my daughter. that I realized I did not have in my. home with my dad with my mom.

um maybe with my whole family at large. when I look back at it. So there was no. surprise and once I got out of the. trauma center um. like I stopped talking to my dad. I. stopped my mom. I haven't talked to them. in almost uh I think my mom. she was like a 30 so um 32. So. everyone's been kind of around 2 years. I've stopped talking to my family. Like. I am so. flourishing, happy, independent in my. life.

and it's good that I got to again write. down inventory and see why and what. So. there's these prompts about childhood, what I would like to say, do I want to. write letters to them. And half the letters I wrote when I was. there, no one responded or no one wanted. to talk about those things when I got. out. So, I'm just taught to like, okay, that's. where someone is, they can't meet me, and I have to go live my own life. So, that's what I've been doing. It's been. really uh relieving.

Relief. >> Does your relationship with your mom. affect Sophia's, Sophia, do you choose. to talk Do you Do we call her grandma? >> Mhm. >> Do you choose to talk to grandma or just. be or because mom and her don't have a. relationship, you choose not to, also? >> Um honestly, I'm really comfortable not. talking to her at all. And with my grandpa, too. Um it hasn't really bothered me at all. not talking to them over the years.

>> Got you. >> I'd have to say like anything that I do. does not need to affect someone else. >> Right. >> A lot of the grandparents in my family, I've just noticed a habitual thing where. they feel like. there is. like me, I'm the horrible person because. I I'm making someone else not talk to. them. To be completely transparent, I. saw that my daughter was being affected.

by their bad behavior every time that. they were around. Um you know, to not. feel loved, to not be heard again like. as a kid, or just be like like just back. and forth, stuck between all these. I can't say the word immature, it's just. a lack of education of how to have. communication. That's really just um. such a mess that I was raised in that I. knew I did not want that for my. daughter, and I was trying to be like a. good daughter, and.

like I flew I flew my daughter out. to Arizona to meet her other. grandparents. I've flown her back and. forth for 16 years or whatever to like. see her dad's side of the family. But when you go to a trauma center and. you take time for yourself that is so. needed and everything's quiet. and you see, "Wow, I am such a damn good parent because I'm. the only one who's paying, flying, doing. No one else is.". >> Yeah. >> It's been over a decade. Like let's stop.

this charade. >> But but more importantly, you're there. for your daughter. Like I don't see you. without Sophia. >> Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah. Like I am number one, I think. >> And you're making her feel She're making. her feel every way that your parents. never did. And to me that's the sign a. sign of a good parent is breaking. generational trauma and generational. curses. And I think you're doing the. best that you can. >> All the way. And so it can be seen. transparently. of who, what, everything, genetics, what's going on, what.

why someone might be doing this, why. someone might not, um and to choose. better choices. So Sophia was kind of. the one to say like I don't want to hang. out or I need a break from certain. grandparents. So. the charade of the grandparents. continually always acting like I hinder. anything. I've I've seen with clear eyes what it. is now. So. >> And you just choose to remove yourself. from a toxic situation, which that's not. a bad That doesn't make you a bad. person. Especially if you said that you.

wrote them letters and you were trying. to communicate how you were feeling and. they completely told you like, "Look, I. don't want to deal with this right now.". So that's not fair to you because it's. like when is the time to deal with it? >> And that's fine if they're. never there. So I'm going to go live my. life." And this is what I've been. waiting for and healing. And I think. like that's been so good for me to get. out of trauma bonds. Like let's have. bonds of like I don't even know, happiness. >> Yeah.

>> Um so, I'm just excited to build good, healthy, happy bonds and leave all those. trauma bonds behind. And if other people. would like to stay there, that's not me. It's not helping my mental health in any. capacity. >> Um and so, yeah, from that I was like, "Okay, I'm going to keep 12-stepping in. like dating and like career and life.". And it's really been beautiful. >> When you say 12-stepping, does that mean. sobriety? >> Um some people think it's about. sobriety. I actually. I just have to say it like this.

12-stepping is about like the 12-step. principles. So, you don't have to It's. not about like drinking. It's like. >> I think there's humility, brotherly. love, like there's 12 principles of life. that I think are just amazing and help. me be my best self and connect and see. myself and others. Um. like serving. Um so, those are the. 12-step things I do in life. >> Got you. Now, I've I've never heard of. it. So, that's why when I hear You know, like most people when they hear. 12-steps, they're like, "Oh, okay, she's.

in the program or like, you know, doing. the 12-steps for like alcoholism." Or I. don't know if they have 12-steps for. drugs. I'm not positive about. >> they do. There's 12-steps for. everything. I honestly say like 12-steps. for anxiety. I feel like I've looked at. every group. Um courts definitely had me. do like 50 hours of AA. Um and over. that. But when I came to the trauma. center, I was so. disgusted, to be honest with you. I was. so disgusted by alcohol and what alcohol. had done because it was just alcohol.

involved with my sexual assault. And so, everybody else maybe around me. was like, "I can't wait to drink. I. can't wait to do drugs." And I was like, "Whoa, I could stay here all day long. and I don't even care about that stuff, but I am super excited to learn about. these principles and and. see if it works. And like if I turn on. church does it connect? And like. everything just really showed me like. this is what I have been yearning for my.

whole life. And so that's why I just say I'm 12-step. in dating. I'm 12-step in my career. Like it's just principles that work. >> Mhm. I do feel I do you feel actually. not it doesn't matter how I feel. Do you. feel that alcohol has played a part in. some of your legal issues as well. because didn't didn't you get it like a. DUI and then also um you had like a. little thing with a was it a security. guard outside of a nightclub? Um when you were drunk and like they. cuffed you and put you on the ground and. stuff like that. Do you feel like.

alcohol has played a part in some of. your legal troubles? >> So alcohol definitely is a depressant. and attracts negatives to you. >> Yeah. >> Um. I'm literally like. >> they call it a spirit because it lowers. your spirits. >> Oh yeah, it's it lowers your spirit. Um. and I wouldn't recommend anyone who's. been assaulted or attacked or hasn't. been educated on trauma work should not. be drinking. It really makes your. life worse. Um and so yeah, that.

I'm dealing with that legal problem even. today. >> Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> With that security. >> Really? Still going on? >> uh yeah, 2 years later she won't stop. harassing me. Um so yeah, so now she's trying to do. >> Babe, you're lightweight funny. Like really, [laughter] if people really. paid attention they would see that you. are. >> Like Zhavia's hearing me like on court. like lawyer calls before this cuz of. her. Uh she didn't know how to serve me. Uh. so she claims that she's going to get. lots of money from me right now. Um.

>> Okay, I thought it was a man that you. that they they're saying that you. slapped him or something or kicked him. >> is a woman who's a liar, but. >> [laughter]. >> she is just like that's why I have to. postpone even like me doing like a. comedy portfolio that I've been working. on. Like could you imagine me going to. work and then being served in front of. everyone? I'd So, it's like I have to. now reorganize my life around people who. target me and won't stop harassing me. cuz I just won't put up with it anymore.

>> What happened? Like, you were you were. out drinking with friends and then. >> I went to a dinner. >> Uh-huh. >> So, I was definitely more about the. food. There was alcohol. >> We love food. >> Yeah. And I was asked with my two other. colleagues to go upstairs and see their. new little rooftop thing. I didn't have. a drink up there. I went to the bathroom. It felt like I. was set up. One of their customers was. in front of my purse and my bag in. between my friends, not with her group. And I was like, "Could you please like. move? That That's my stuff. These are my.

friends." She wanted to keep going at. me, hitting me, hitting my friend who. was trying to block me. >> hit you. >> And then her friends are pointing to. remove me. I'm being then manhandled by. huge security guys. This woman. puts herself in between this mix coming. at me and I say, "Leave me alone. Let. You see me yelling." And this is like a. girl a different girl that I am today at. that time who has been assaulted, can't. handle too much. She's just been. physically Yeah. >> of trauma. You've had trauma started. when you were younger.

>> And uh so, she doesn't want to listen. and so I do this with my arm and you see. the full movement on the camera. And she. wants to try to touch my hand. And so, literally my hand is like touching this. woman's like mask, not her face. Uh so, her glasses are on, her mask is. on. She keeps wanting to manhandle me. with all the men. She then goes into an. elevator with me.

I'm just like, "Leave me alone." I walk. off property waiting for my other friend. who wants to call the police, wants to. all this stuff. And sure enough then her. and the other guy. um just finagle up to come after me off. property, then he cuffs his self to me, is like touching me all over. She's over. there yelling that I hit her in her face. and whatever. I'm yelling back. And so, yeah, basically I'm winning a. personal injury case on top of this. The. criminal case got thrown out cuz I did.

nothing. The personal injury case, I'm. recovering all of my trauma costs and my. and me moving and everything else. Like. I had death threats because this woman. would not shut her mouth with all of her. lies. Like people literally thought I. would hit and target security people. And that's just completely not the case. So, dealing with all of this is just. like. stressful. I've had a lot of people just. continually try to assume me, assume me, come after me, come after me, come after.

me. And I just don't want that in this next. chapter of whether it's my comedy. career, me showing up to places. And. then I also have to realize like I have. to do I don't even like security guards, to be honest. So, me getting security is. also like a trust fall. Like. >> No, that's how I am. My husband. [laughter] makes me travel with security. everywhere and I'm like, why? I feel. like I have a babysitter. I'm like I I. hate it. Drives me crazy. >> Yeah. I don't know. I've never I've had a a. lot of issues with security guards. This.

is not the first one. >> you need to have somebody in your life. that's there to protect you though. because you are. you know, the fan base that you guys. have from Teen Mom is wild. Like I've. had Jenelle and and Kail on the podcast. and. >> it is like those people are really. invested in you guys' lives. You have. You guys have a lot of great fans, but. it is like a cult fan base, you know? And. >> We love it. I love it. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. And but the thing is. is in in that sea of people who love you.

guys, there's a few people who have it. out for you. And then these are the. people that you're like running into. So, I think having somebody to protect. you from that isn't a bad idea. >> Yeah. I will say after. >> to worry about. >> One less lawsuit, they keep coming. I. actually embrace it. I just surf on. lawsuits at this point. >> How many lawsuits do you have right now? >> I'm like trying to close up like three. >> Oh god, so many. >> who knows? Like who knows, but I think. like we're just reinventing the wheel of. like, okay, if we're going to do.

not a tour, if we're going to just like. present it and package it, then we can, you know, control like who's on sets and. how we do those things. So, like I can. still keep moving forward in my life. >> Yeah. >> Um so, yeah, I'm just kind of tired of. sitting still, but it's been good. >> Take me on this journey of you doing. comedy. >> [laughter]. >> I feel like a Farrah Abraham roast is. overdue. >> Yeah. I would attend. I think it would. be hilarious. >> We'll We'll give you the mic.

Um so, yeah. >> I don't want to be mean though. I just. want to watch. >> It's good to roast people, you know? It's good to see if I've overcome. >> I love that you can laugh. I love that. you can laugh at yourself though and you. don't take yourself so serious. I think. that's a great quality to have. >> It's definitely been a challenge, you. know? >> [laughter]. >> She's like, I've been working on it. >> working on so hard. I can't wait. Um but. yeah, I just want to do some things with. comedy and maybe just talk about like. behavior in a funny way and I think.

learning behavior and. learning myself, I think it's like been. a good soul journey and I want to share. that in comedy. >> What spawned this whole entire journey. with comedy? >> Um. >> Have you just always been a comedy fan? >> I don't even know. I mean, who doesn't. love some Ace Ventura Pet Detective, but. [laughter]. >> Right. >> But I actually got my SAG credits from a. Comedy Central special that they did for. me. And after I got wrongfully fired.

from Teen Mom, I started getting SAG. checks in the mail and I started seeing. where it was from and I was like, "Oh my. god, it's from Dave Attell inviting me. for my comedy special.". And I was like, well, I really did like. that and it was so fun and I like the. people and I think in this next endeavor. of my life, I'm kind of more intentional about. who I'm working around. >> Yeah. >> Um how they're making me feel. And I. >> That comes with age, too. You're what, 30?

>> You know? Yeah. >> Yeah, I'm 44. So, it takes like as you. get older, you get to a point where. you're just like, I don't care what what. the look is or how many people are going. to see it. I care about being around. people who are going to build me up, make me feel good about myself, people I. can learn from, >> Yeah. >> you know? So, I think that's awesome. that you're realizing that now. >> Yeah, so it's just wonderful and um. I just hope to have great work. environments and enjoy myself. >> When can we expect this comedy tour? >> Oh my god. >> [snorts].

>> Or the specials. I can say specials. I. don't know about tour, but. I would I would hope by the end of this. year. I know some other shows are coming. out and we'll see like what happens. Um. but yeah, I'm just kind of like risk. assessing. >> Right. >> and just making sure. But I don't. >> You're reinventing yourself. >> Yeah. >> I feel like you do that all the time. You have done Is there anything you. haven't done? You've made albums, you. >> done like my law degree yet. >> [laughter]. >> Like. >> Yeah. There's a show where we'll be I.

like Judge Judy. Oh my god. I love her. I love her. I. would love to do a court show, please. >> Oh, let's put it in the air. Manifest. it. That would be awesome because you. would literally One thing I do admire. about you, you have hustle. You're not. lazy. >> Yeah, ADHD doesn't sit. >> Is that what I have? Is that why I can't. sit still? I'm literally always on to the next. goal. Um yeah. No, you literally are. always doing something, always selling. something. I mean, you are like. >> Who doesn't like sales? I love sales. I.

do love sales. I think if you're like. good at serving people and like matching. people and doing things, oh my god, sales is like a dream. >> Yeah, absolutely. Let's bring it over to. Sophia for a little bit here. What do. you want to be when you grow up? Have. you ever thought about that? >> Um yeah, I've been getting into music. So, I think when I grow up, I want to be. a music artist, maybe. And a entrepreneur and a influencer. >> Mhm. >> I love that. Does your mom influence. that a lot? Do you really look up to.

your mom? >> She did um. really support me doing my music when I. was younger. >> Mhm. >> Um I have two music videos from like a. super long time ago, which is like kind. of cringe. >> Before that. I mean, we all we all have. stuff that we look back on and we're. like, "What the hell was I thinking?". You know. >> Yeah, I wrote those songs myself. >> That's amazing. >> So. >> You and Bailey would really get along. She writes her own music and stuff like. that. We'll have to introduce the. girlies, for sure. >> Yeah, that's so cool.

>> What's your favorite thing about your. mom? What do you admire the most about. her? >> Um her beauty and. >> You think I'm beautiful? Aw, that is sweet. >> You are. >> Aw, thank you. >> She does that kind of often, but she's. really good at it. >> That's good that I know where I need to. work on. >> Aw, I love that. >> Yeah, I love that. Thank you, Sophia. I. appreciate you. >> What's your favorite thing about Sophia? >> Oh my gosh. Well, I love Sophia's. beauty, like no joke. I always am like, "You have like your dad's nose, the.

eyebrows, the chin." Like I just mhm, I. love it. Um and I'm so happy you have. that all that going for you. You're. gorgeous. And. what else do I mean, I pretty much love. everything about my daughter. Like I. love I loved you like parenting you as a. kid, I love parenting you as a teen, I. love your silliness. I mean, there's so much that I just love. it all. There's I don't know why. I just. I don't know why. A lot of parents are. like, >> [laughter]. >> "I don't know if I like my teenager.

today." But like, I really I practice my. gratefuls and I think I just have always. loved my daughter. totally. Yeah. >> Holy, you love her for who she is. Yeah. Do you guys feel like you're soulmates? Cuz you know, soulmates Soulmates. [laughter] Soulmates don't have to be. lovers. Soulmates can be friends, children, parents. Like, that's. >> Um I do always wonder. I I don't know if. other parents wonder this or whatever, but I do feel like I was given my child.

like Sophia. Like, I was given Sophia. I. don't know what it is. Like, even when. like her dad wasn't there, I had her in the um. uh birthing room and like, I'm just. looking at her. I just like, there was this eye. connection and like, I knew that even. though nothing was perfect however I. wanted to plan it growing up. that I was meant to be there at this. time with her and I will never forget.

that from the hospital room. So, I like, life can just totally fall. apart around you like it has with me. But yeah, I I don't know if that's. soulmate if that's exactly what you. meant. But I do know like, I was. supposed to be with Sophia and like, she. is my child. Like, I do know that. It's. just crazy. >> You guys are going to make me cry. I. think that is so sweet. And Farrah, I. want to give you your flowers because I. watched. a lot of interviews the other night just.

trying to get a feel for you and stuff. like that. And I feel like a lot of. people have you on their shows to attack. you and they don't give you a chance to. actually like. kind of flourish in the moment with you. And I'm sorry for that for the for how. people treat you like that, but al-. also, people don't realize that you were. at such a young age having a child on. television, losing the father of your. child, and having to go through this. with the world watching you. With.

parents who didn't support and did not. give you the proper guidance. And you. are literally just figuring this. on your own. >> Yeah. >> And that's heavy. And I just want you to. say I see you, and I see what you're. doing, and I think you're doing. wonderful. >> Aw, I love that. And thank you for seeing. me. I appreciate I appreciate you being. an amazing host. >> No, thank you. >> Allow- yeah, allowing it to be whatever. it will be. >> Aw, no, I appreciate that. Let's talk. about love. >> Let's talk about love. >> Let's talk about love. You got a new.

boyfriend. Well, he's been around since. what? 2021? >> No. >> No? I read that wrong then. Okay, is. that a different one? >> Yeah, maybe it was [laughter] a. different one. >> All right, well, when did this one come. about? >> to say I date differently now. So, I did. this Guardian of Your Soul Dating Naked. um thing. I graduated from that when I. turned 32, so last May. >> What? Okay, what is that? Is that part. of the 12-step? >> Yeah, so um Lisa Shield, who does this, she has her own amazing podcast, but she.

does this with her husband. You are. there for 12 weeks. Um you have your own coach. You do your. own like manifestation journal. She has. 12 modules. You're reading books. You're. hearing podcasts. You're hearing. psychologists. Like you're in a vortex. of training yourself to be like a weapon. of dating, basically. And so, I did it. I committed. And I was like, you know, going on these dates, felt like this is. wasting my time. And I got this weird like dating show.

offer during that. And I declined cuz. I've done so many dating shows, and I. just don't like I was at this point of. like. I'm tired of repeating. Tired of. repeating. Like clearly something's. disconnected. And it was more personal. work and really diving in on that. And. so, Lisa did a 12-step program, too. So, when I shared about my 12-step program, she's like, "Yeah, so this is why we. have 12 weeks, 12 modules, and we are. focused on getting this alignment before.

your dating life.". So, I love it. I graduated, and I was. just like, "Look, I don't have anyone. who I'll call my fiance or anything like. that. But, um I'll keep doing this and. like I'm kind of like a late bloomer, even though I like zoom through things. And so, like the leaders are like, "Well, keep checking in with us, keep. coming to the groups, like whatever.". And sure enough, like I don't know, I. went on. almost like a hundred dates. And a hundred dates? Like almost a.

hundred dates. That's like speed dating. And then one. one gentleman. wasn't even like on. I realized he was on one of my dating. apps after the fact. I feel like the. cream of the crop is never on the dating. apps. Or I'm just not paying attention. to it, you know? [laughter] Right. Or. we're not attracting it. Even though. Yeah, even though like we redo our. online profiles and all this cool stuff. >> Right. >> So, he actually got my attention on my. fans page.

>> [clears throat]. >> So, um and then was like zooming with me, and then I'm telling him about this. dating program. Like, I'm just. intentionally dating. Like, if you want. to joke around and be like, "I want to. date Farrah Abraham." Like, whatever. But, I was just like so on my game from. this program about dating. So, he ended. up flying in to Austin to come see me. And we have just kind of been just. I don't know, he ended up getting a. second house, a second car, a second. everything, and lives in Austin right.

now. Like. I don't know, it just is like magical. I. love it. When So, when When he come in. the picture? >> So, we started talking in October. So, like. from June, July, August, September. Like. >> Okay, so since last year. >> Yeah, so 5 months after this program, I. really have like superly connected with. someone. >> Aw, I love that. And he just loves every bit of you. Are you ever going to say who he is or. make him public? >> Um you know, I we both kind of were like.

NDAs on both sides. So, like I can share. fun bits and stuff, but we don't really. like share who he who are me. Like I am. like I will not be meeting your family. Like. >> Aw. >> I'm dating you. And I think I've also. learned to date differently from not. having my family around and truly being. my most best self. Um so, yeah, like he I just love like. he is all about self-improvement with. me. Um we're doing fun things together. all the time. And I really just want to.

make sure like. that's right. >> Like that's really important. >> So, if you guys do end up getting more. serious, will you eventually meet his. family? >> Um I don't really need to. >> Really? >> Like I'm really like. >> Do you think part of you is scared. because like every you I I feel like. you're one of those people who kind of. like waits for the ball to drop. Like if. something's going too good, you're like, "Okay, what's going to mess up?". >> Well, I'm trying to not have those brain. patterns in my brain. So, I thank. [laughter] you.

Um so, I just want the ball to keep. rising and elevating. Um hot air. balloon. >> [laughter]. >> I like that. Let's keep going up. Um and. I do think uh from learning so much. about him, like he's learned so much. about my family where I've come from. I. think sometimes when you're building. like a interdependent relationship where. you're both coming together and rising. up together, there is no need for the background. noise. Like I'm not trying to attend a. circus. He doesn't need to come to my. circus. We just need to focus on going.

forth, building our own lives, building. our own family, like flourishing careers, the whole. thing right now. And so that's why I'm. kind of like his his parents and. everyone are very like, "Why won't you. tell me your name?". Oh, like they're always very like nosy, but I think I don't need anyone like. Googling me, searching me when they know. who I am, who I'm dating. >> Right. And that's what I mean, like it. does that scare you that his family.

could Google you and then just get the. wrong opinion of you and then you feel. like you're going to have to be trying. to change these people's opinion about. you. >> Yeah, I just don't operate like that. anymore. So like when my mom or my dad. got married and I was there for their. weddings and stuff and then they were. their fiancés or everyone else was. always like Googling me and seeing what. I was up to. I actually stopped like. posting for a while. I was like, "You. know, it's just not worth it. I don't care. what I'm up to or what I've been up to. Like if you can't be present with me and. family, I don't need it. So I think.

that's all I think that's why this. relationship is flourishing so much is. that I don't talk about it much with. other people from what I've been trained. to do. We're very present, we're. flourishing. And like we go on trips, we have fun, we're I I just want that for my life. I. deserve. an amazing relationship. And I saw like. even bits of it when I was like saying I. was in a relationship, people really. wanted to ruin and find and source and.

break break me down so like I don't have. a relationship, but that's actually what. I've been working so hard for for like. two to three years is getting in this. place. So and like with no one else's. help, just me. And so I like really need. this. >> Have you met him yet, Sophia? >> Yes, I have. >> Do you approve? >> He's okay. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, I mean like it's not like a year. in or anything. It's totally serious, but um Sophia.

and I met both of our boyfriends that we. have now at the winter trip. >> Sophia, you have a boyfriend? [laughter]. >> Yes. >> going to talk about this after? >> Yeah. Um so yeah, we met together our. boyfriends together on our winter break. trip this winter. So. >> What do you think about Sophia's. boyfriend? >> You know, I can't really judge when the. kids are, you know, 15, 16. I. >> mean wow, they have so so much to do and. grow um cuz I was once there. So yeah.

>> Isn't it wild to think that she's pretty. much the age that you got pregnant at? >> Yeah, I was saying that the other night. So her boyfriend actually flew into. Austin, Texas cuz he lives in Utah for. her birthday and he's also homeschooled, which is like great. Um so we had a. great birthday weekend together and I. was like sitting at dinner with them. after she like candles and everything. and I was like at 15. I was like on party buses with like 20.

7-year-olds. >> Isn't it wild how they're the opposite. of us? >> I was like. >> Yeah. >> I was like. this wild child and I was like I am just. so happy that Sophia's in like an. amazing restaurant, has like all this. stuff, has someone who like actually. cares, you know, they're just building. like a great friendship and. and just quality quality time, quality. people that I kind of really to be. honest did not have and it was just. chaos and I was like I am so.

fortunate to see this for my child. It's. just crazy to me. I love it. >> I love it and I love watching Sophia. smile at you when you talk about her. It's the cutest thing ever. >> It's just [laughter]. I'm so happy for my daughter. She. totally deserves. this amazing journey that she's been. blessed with. So God is good. Yeah. >> that. Where did you meet your boyfriend. at, Sophia? >> Um. I met him on VR. >> On what? Virtual reality? >> Yeah. >> Is that like a video game or.

>> Um it's like those headsets, you know? >> Got you. >> With like the virtual games and stuff. >> Oh, got you. Okay. >> Um specifically VR chat. >> Got you. Okay. >> Those kids are in VR chat, watch out. >> Yeah, it's that's like AOL chat when we. were growing up. >> Literally. >> [laughter]. >> So yeah, both of us met our boyfriends. online essentially. >> Yeah. Well, I would think that. being who you are, it's got to be hard. to meet people a normal way. It's not. like you're just going to go to church.

and meet somebody, you know? And I would. think growing up with who your mom is is. probably makes it hard for you to meet. people a normal way also. And you don't. go to school, so it's like, you know, you have to meet people where you are. at, you know, in life, so. How has your. mom's um. stardom affected you? >> Um I mean, it's kind of been hard to. make friends like in real life and. stuff. Um.

but I would say once they accept like. who I am online, then we become like. best friends, you know? >> Got you. >> But some people once they find out who I. really am, they like don't want to like. be friends with me. >> Oh, because of your mom? >> Like I mean, I don't really get hurt by. that because in the end then you're just. fake. >> Yeah. >> So I just block them. >> Yeah. >> No, I love that. Uh Bailey had to go. through that too whenever, you know, whenever we were first coming up in the. limelight, there was a lot of parents. who didn't want Bailey hanging out with.

her because of who her parents were and. I was just like, you don't need friends. like that. If they have parents that are. going to judge them so harshly that they. won't let their kid hang out with you. because of who their parents are when. they haven't even met us or shook our. hands, then you don't want those people. in your life anyways. >> Yeah. So it is kind of fun. I mean, I've. been seeing Sophia. uh kind of like catfish people. >> [laughter]. >> Okay, what do you mean? >> Okay, let's get this straight. >> I have It's called secret accounts.

>> Yes. >> Oh, they're called uh finstas, right? Or. isn't that what they're what they are? >> I mean, it's basically like all. accounts, you know. >> Okay, got you. >> Like, I don't use my public profiles or. my real name on stuff. >> Like, my friends know my first name. >> Right. >> I usually don't tell them my last name. >> Right. >> until they find out who I I really am. >> Like, for instance. >> actually kind of smart. >> That is smart. Like like we have this. show like called Catfish, right? But I. have to say like Sophia's doing it in a.

catfish positive way, not a toxic way. because. like for instance like we flew into Utah. so that her and her boyfriend could. meet. They do know each other's names. It's. kind of up in the air on the first the. first date, which was at a trampoline. park. >> Right. >> And everyone brought their families. And. [laughter] so, I loved how refreshing it was, actually. I was refreshed by his mom, his family.

not knowing who I was, just taking me in. like a glass of water, just. >> Yeah. >> having a good time. >> Just loving you for who you were in that. moment. >> And also the same for Sophia. And then. her daughter arrives, and she knew. exactly who I was and everything else. And then it was like. mhm like it just kind of sucks the fun. out of just being present in real life. >> Yeah. >> Um. But yeah, I really loved like how we've. gotten to know each other even though.

you could definitely see. they are definitely affected by. someone's fame, what they might might. not have, how we live, >> um. and that's sad. And so, I just say. whatever Sophia needs to do to see. positive and have positive interactions. and relationships, that's awesome. I. support it. Even if it's a little cat. fishy, I'm okay [laughter] with it. >> I kind of understand the methods to the.

madness, though. She wants to make sure. that the people that are in her life are. there for a reason, not because of who. you are, because of who she is. So, I. think it's actually kind of genius. >> It is genius. Yeah. >> When's your birthday? >> Uh February 23rd. >> Oh, you're a Pisces. Well, you're like. an Aquarius-Pisces. You're like right on. the cusp. >> Oh, really? Really? I don't know. Well, she likes to swim. >> Aw, yeah, she's a little fishy. >> Yeah. A gothic swimmer. Yeah. >> A little black fish swimming in the. pond. >> Yes. >> Can we talk about your beef with Nicki.

Minaj? What happened with that whole. situation? >> She's not a Barbie. >> [laughter]. >> I'm just kidding. >> Um. cuz I feel like she kind of called you. out and brought that on herself. And I. feel like. >> A lot of people bring things upon. themselves in my career, but yes. >> Yeah, I feel like she's doing that now. to Meg the Stallion, also. And I think. people did People didn't take her her. People didn't consider it bullying. whenever she did it to you because it. was a few years ago, but now that. they're seeing a pattern in how she. treats people, I think it kind of, you.

know, is putting a spotlight on how she. acts as a person. >> I have to say like Nicki Minaj, I. believe she said like I was a [ __ ]. because of how I treated my mom. She was. watching like a Teen Mom rerun one day. when she was doing that. I have to say anyone who talks. to me or towards anyone, bullying them. out loud, doing whatever they're doing, not paying attention to their own mental. health and why she's doing that. The.

reason why someone reaches out in a. toxic way, calls someone another name, tries to degrade them, acts like they. know how to be a better daughter to. their mom or whatever. That is a denial. They're delusional. So, I have never thought. greatly of anyone similar to Nicki. Minaj, like a Chrissy Teigen, who also. does that to me, or other people who do. that, or women [snorts] who do that. It. also very much reminds me a little bit. of the toxicity between.

my mom, my sister, my grandma towards me. growing up. >> So, it's a trigger. >> for you. >> You know, I just recognize it as. complete mental illness, almost, um, to. be honest. So, I don't think. uh, my daughter has anything to worry. about of like listening, paying. attention to anything, uh, from women. who have. like a platform, and they're just like. lashing out in mental illness, because. that's not having self-control, that's. not.

critically dealing with it. Um, she also. isn't a mom. I don't really think Nicki. Minaj is a great mom. I don't think she. really has done the personal work. She's. married I think like a convict who I. guess is like. done very weird things. >> Mhm. >> Um, so, I can't really care about anyone. who that comes from. That's like. caring about a hater online who says the. same things. Whether it was Nicki Minaj. or a a deep fake account online saying. it, it's going to the same place of. like, "Ooh, that's unhealthy for my.

mental health. That's like mental. illness coming at me. I don't have time. for that toxicity." So, and I'm sorry. that Megan Thee Stallion had to go. through all sorts of stuff and criminal. behavior, uh, but she doesn't deserve. that in her present success or her. future success. And I really hope that. she finds other great artists to work. with and have friendships with. >> Absolutely. How do you deal with all of. the online stuff that comes to you? Are. you used to it now? Or I don't think. anybody ever gets used to people just.

bullying, but does it hurt still or did. it did it ever hurt you like in the. beginning and how do you deal with it. now? >> had a shame spiral many a times with. online toxicity and I think that's why I. am totally cool with Stefania not being. on it and not posting as much, not doing. whatever. because it's really not needed. >> It's not a safe space for her. >> Yeah, it's not a safe space and I think. we just tried to again.

pardon me, create that safe space for us. our own selves. So, if that's like. posting. once a year, that's what's good for us. Um. like and I don't even know like this. whole thing with like limiting teenagers. on social media, I think. in a way it feels like we're letting. like criminals and deepfakes and all. these things. control and take over and oversaturate. the internet when the internet would be.

so much more better with like. credible real people who enjoy the. internet. So, I just wish I had better people to play. with on the internet. >> Yeah. [laughter]. But the the internet has hurt you before. to where it sent you into shame What did. you say? Shame spiral? >> definite like depression or. maybe anxiety at times and. >> It's got to be heavy especially when. they run like news articles about you. and stuff like that. >> Yeah, I. >> Do you feel like the press bullies you? >> I feel.

I feel like we need to work on um. just reporting in a non-bullish. fraudulent way. Um like when I've been. dealing you know, like when I was like. attacked at dinner by security and then. everyone acts like I did something to. them and I have reporters calling me. everywhere and they're making me out to. be a bad person. My lawyer lawyers were. literally like you cannot talk to them. anymore. If they want to behave this. way, if they can't tell the right news,

I'm not responding to them. Do not. respond to them. And that's just kind of sad because. again, like just kind of being raised. with. news reporters and even some of them. being my friends, I it's just been really sad to see like. people. use their jobs and inflict toxicity and. affect someone's mental health or could. I'm not letting that happen, but it. definitely does to other people. >> Yeah, absolutely. I couldn't agree more.

I think online is. um kind of like the devil's. play-playground, you know? Like people. can say and do whatever the hell they. want and there's no recourse. >> Well, I feel like the good people get. the recourse. Like they actually get. like I can't even get on TikTok live. because someone said it was like. sexually explicit sitting in my office. doing nothing. >> Did you appeal it? >> Oh, I've appealed it. My agencies have. reached out. They say that they don't. have footage. They can't see it, so they. can't redo it. I just feel like or undo.

it. I feel like. internet platforms are just crumbling. period. Like they're crumbling. They're. not doing that well. They're relying so. heavily on marketing. They don't care to. keep health number one even though we're. giving all of these things like healthy. mindset and track your time and do all. of this. But we just keep allowing again. like deep fakes, toxicity, everything.

nonstop. Um so like if I go and look on. my dashboard right now, you'll see like. my account on the back end flagged all. the time for bullying. But are we deleting or blocking those. bullies? So I just I let the internet. >> solution to the problem. >> Yeah, I just let the internet crumble. and I like to use it um, to post, to share things, uh, whether. that's about mental health or something. fun or birthdays or whatever, but.

I don't know. I maybe just one day. who knows if I need any of it. I really. don't know if I need social media. >> Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> I don't think you do. I think you've. made a name for yourself that if you. didn't have social media, people would. still, you know, be obsessed with you. because that's just how they are. Okay, I have read mixed reviews. I have. Did you sell or did you not sell? >> Oh my god, that's so [laughter] funny. I. saw. slime in my office. Um, >> [clears throat]. >> I made. and we sold out of that.

Um, but [laughter] yeah, it's crazy. I. don't know why people are obsessed with. poop. Um, >> I love. >> I have never sold my I do get offers. literally every day, every day for it, and it's crazy. Like. my boyfriend's like, "You." He's like, "I find Like I used to. It's like I find it so disgusting, but. he's like, [laughter] "You have all. these guys just wanting to pay you like. $5,000 for you to send them shit." And. he's like,

"I can't even pick up your own dog Like. he's like, "I don't know how this is.". So we always laugh. >> in it. It's crazy. I used to sell my. panties when I had OF. >> Yeah. >> They They like them vacuum sealed and. sitting for like 2 weeks. Like it's. wild. >> Yeah. So, [laughter]. um, yeah, I don't know, but I I haven't. done that, but I I don't know. I heard. it was like against the law, so I just. don't do that. >> Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> Um, what's the weirdest request you have. gotten on your ones?

>> Um, I mean, what's weird anymore? >> Right. >> I don't know. There's so many weird. things. >> or, you know, wildest? >> There's so many weird things I hear, uh, every day. I You don't know what's odd right now. I. don't know, I have to like think so. much. >> No worries. >> But. um. I don't know. I just find it weird when. people really want to like have customs. and like they always try to like get in.

my personal life. So it's like, your. boyfriend or like could you ask for a. friend to do that? I just I'm like, why. would you even get on here and. and like insinuate I would ask anyone. else to be a part of your crazy. imagination. Um so I was just like. >> doing? How is your OF doing? Is it. >> Um my OF OF is doing fabulous and I love. my OF. I can't I like I often ask myself. when I think to just shutting it down.

um. cuz I I felt like I was getting socially. shamed. Um and I just don't like. dealing with any like sexual shaming. stuff. And so I was like, maybe I'll. shut it down. Maybe I won't. And then I. keep it up and I often like sometimes. I'll just post some funny comments that. I get. But I often like there's a lot of. negativity online. But I will say OF is a lot of positivity. compared to all the negativity.

>> loved my OF. I have It was great. If. you're a hater on somebody's OF, you've. got problems. You're paying them monthly. to talk to them. >> Yeah, it's crazy and that happens all. the time. But there's a lot of men who. or women even who always send me like. the best messages and I'm like, God, I. needed that for my self-worth today or. like my self-compassion or like just. loving myself today. So I have to say if. that's so positive out of all the other. social medias I've kept my only I and I.

think maybe I even rave about it. sometimes. I'm like. I can't delete this. It makes me so. happy. >> And you shouldn't have to delete it. If. it does bring you happiness and joy and. as well as monetary value, why would you. delete it because people online don't. agree with the lifestyle? >> Yeah. >> I've never understood that that stigma. with a OF. It's wild to me that we're. not touching anybody. Nobody is touching. us. There's no bodily fluid exchange. It's literally all online consenting.

adults and people have a problem with. that. Would they rather you be in hotel. rooms, you know, being an escort? Like. it's wild to me. >> So, I yeah, I just I think. just again been positive for my mental. health. Positive for me. I don't know. Like I literally screen. grab and save some of these messages cuz. I was like if I ever just goodbye from. it, I would love to save these memories. because they're such good memories. I. mean, I don't know. Like my boyfriend doesn't.

have a problem with it. So, and. honestly, I think he he actually likes. it. So, like he makes his like own. little funny username and he's like, "Oh, chat with me on there." It's just. kind of like a fun play thing. >> Role play, yeah. >> Honestly, if that's good for my. relationship, if it's good for my. business, if it's good for me, oh my. god, could could life get any greater? And I think I do have that need because. I had managers and agents. basically like being like, "I'll run it.

I'll start it. I'll do it. Like you have. to do this.". And I didn't even do it myself open it. So, um. I think because it was like a different. journey in that and again like I am a. simple. Like I. am. something in that arena. >> Mhm. >> And I think you can't disown that or act. like it's not. Um and so, >> Well, you had a a tape that came out, correct? >> Yeah. And a lot of you know, then I had.

a novelty line from that odd, traumatic, successful experience of a tape. situation, I was like, you know what? For like well-being, I want to come out. with a men's and women's line of novelty. toys. And I also won an AVN award for. that. So, I've like those are things. that. happened in my life journey. >> Yeah. >> And I'm happy they were successful, and. I think to do that justice, you know, to. have some of those adult platform pages,

that's that's a no-brainer in that. you know, journey. So, I'm fine with it, and it makes me happy. >> How much did you end up making off of. that tape? >> [laughter]. >> I don't know. I still make money off of. it. >> She's like, it hasn't stopped, baby. >> No, it hasn't stopped, and I also made, you know, millions from my novelty toys, those licenses. Um I actually just enjoy business. Like. a lot of people, and I love my friends. who are all into adult entertainment,

that was not my. allure, that's not like my thing. Um but. I do like business in certain senses of. my comfort level. Um so, yeah. >> multiple streams of income. >> Yeah, who doesn't? >> Right, right. >> [laughter]. >> Preach sister. >> So, yeah, I have my own way of how I. live, you know, in my life and my. choices and me as a woman and. I'm just really happy, like happier than.

I've ever been. So, I think whatever. happened in my life along the way, I it. was meant to be, even though it was like. not the greatest thing. Um. but yeah, it can certainly get you. predators, it can certainly lead to like. all to those things. So, I just. want other women or even my own child, my own daughter to know like. there's nothing to glorify. about anything of what I went through or. what I've done.

I literally look at my tape and I see. someone who is. battling face dysmorphia, who feels so unloved, who is like going. through just like bereavement of the. loss of her dad. And so, when I see a. I see something so of nothing I want. ever in my life again. But, I have. people every day who bring up my. face or like the toys that I made, and. it brings them joy. And so, I have to. really take myself away from that. But,

I do love that. it's helped me become aware that I. needed to do personal and mental help. and health on myself, for sure. I love. that. Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> What does 2024 hold for Farah and. Sophia? What do you guys want to. >> of laughs. >> Yeah. >> Um laughing a bunch this year, traveling, having fun. Sophia's working. on. whatever she wants to write, create, and. make. >> Are you guys going to do a song. together? >> Well, we have.

>> Aw, >> [laughter]. >> I love it. >> No, thank you. >> Yeah, Sophia does not know how to sing. >> She does not know how to sing. >> I don't know how to sing. And that's okay. >> For some reason, I have a cult following. of of people who loved my music when I. was depressed. >> [laughter]. >> So, again, like some people love your. stuff when you're depressed and going. through like a mental breakdown. >> So, I love that. >> Well, I think it's relatable. I feel. like people feel like they're like, "I'm. going through it, too, you know? Like, this is relatable." That's why people. relate to my husband because of the. music he makes, you know?

>> Yeah, it's crazy. However, you will. enjoy someone's music or. whatever. So, yeah, Sophia's going to go. on her own journey of gothic music. >> [laughter]. >> see how people relate to that and have. fun. And right. So, yeah, I mean, every every. year is about creating something new and. finding more of ourselves. So, I think. that's what we kind of. are doing. Um besides shows and besides. stuff that I'm already doing, I'm just like back to school again. >> Yeah, so are we going to get that law.

he's over here sawing logs. I'm over. here shaking his head. Um, so are you going to are you going to. move forward and get your law degree? >> Yeah, I'm moving forward with I'm in a. master's program right now. And you can start doing like your JD and. even your PhD. So I'm just going all the. way. I'm getting my PhD, but I'm going. through the masters almost done with. that at the end of this year. And then doing law the next year and. everything like that. So. I feel like as much as I've spent in.

legal fees and everything [laughter] I. should already have the law degree. >> be your own lawyer Farah at this point. >> I keep learning new things every day. though. So [laughter]. um, yeah, there's a lot going on in. 2024. I can't wait till it's actually. done, but I'm excited for it. >> I love that and I love watching you guys. grow and flourish together and I think. it's amazing. And I just want you guys to stay on this. journey. I love that you're the happiest. you've ever been. That makes me happy. for you cuz happiness is hard to come by. man. You have to choose happiness. >> Yeah, go mom and daughter team. >> Woo.

>> [laughter]. >> Thank you guys for coming on the. podcast. I really appreciate it. >> us. >> [clears throat]. >> Yeah, awesome. Thank you guys for tuning. in to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I'll see you guys next week. Bye.