Teen Realizes He Accidentally Recorded A Mass Stabbing

So, you left with just you and your. husband, John, that came? No, Nick. Nick? Yes. Okay. Did you see. him the whole time he was off his tube? Yes, I did. And I could see him. He was. over there, and then he came back over, and then I just heard screaming. [screaming and crying]. Does Nick know Nick Harry? Does he ever.

carry a weapon with him? He had a knife in his pocket. Well, we got some stuff to work out, okay? Okay. Cuz it was more than just. some injuries. It was a pretty serious. event that happened. Call the cops. Please help us. This guy's a profile, and he won't leave us alone. Yeah, he just started stabbing everyone. So, how many people got hurt? Uh I was told at least three. A guy just stabbed [music] three people.

A man's intestines are falling out of. his spinal cord. On July 30th, 2022, a group of teens. swimming in the Apple River noticed a. 52-year-old man allegedly making. inappropriate comments towards one of. the females in the group.

A physical altercation between the man. and the teens ensued. However, things. would quickly turn for the worst because. after being pushed over by the. teenagers, the man pulls out a knife. And shortly after getting to his feet, the man goes to attack. Nikolay Miu, the man with the knife, [music] would go on to take the life of. 17-year-old Isaac Schuman and injure. four others in the process. One of the. victims, AJ Martin, was cut so bad he.

had intestines protruding [music] from. his body. Panic erupted, blood stained. the river, and witnesses flooded county. police with 911 calls. [music]. Hello, 911. [screaming]. Hello. Where are you?

[music]. Yep, we got help coming. Are you there. with them? Yes, we're here. This is our calling 911. We're the. answer of the emergency. Hi, I'm at I'm. at Apple River. Um. we're on the river and a guy just.

stabbed three people. A man's intestines. are falling out of his body. Okay, stop stop stop right now. What's. going on? Uh I'm on Apple River Apple Apple River. in Wisconsin. Police rushed to the. scene, but the damage had already. [music] been done and the attacker, Nikolai, had fled the scene. The race. was now on to apprehend [music] Nikolai. and determine what caused him to commit. such a horrifying act. This footage has never been seen. Viewer.

discretion is advised. I'll pick it this way if you can get. this way, sir. Yep. They're doing CPR right now. If we could. launch a boat here and get up there, that'd be awesome. Suspect went under. the woods at the initial location, a. quarter mile up river from the 54. bridge. Did he go up on the north south. bank? South bank. He went up right here? They don't know. Okay. No one knows. Okay. That's They said this region. They don't. know exactly where he went.

Okay. Are you three all witnesses? Friends of one of the victims or All of. them. All of them? Okay. I I just saw the video that the dude. posted. Okay, you haven't You didn't see it in. person happen though? No. Okay. We were floating We caught up. to those those that group of kids. Okay. And the guy was harassing them. Oh, crazy guy. I ran over there to stop it. before I was worried they were going to. hurt that guy. Okay. You know, I was. worried they were going to gang up on. him. She went over there to try and. diffuse it. He punched her. And then started He just started Yeah,

he just started stabbing everyone. And then the other group tried to stop. him and and And what did he look like? He was like chubby, this big, 250 lbs, beer belly. He was wearing a chain. He. like He was kind of bald. He was. stereotypical sleazy Russian. That's. what he looked like. When I first saw. him, he had scuba goggles. Yeah, clear goggles. Scuba goggles on? Okay. Now that the officers have a clear. description of this man, all hands go on. deck to find him immediately. As such, officers send up multiple thermal drones. and shut down the area until his.

capture. The hunt is on to find this. ramped killer. I'll turn around to stop. saying up here. Hey, you guys see any people? Uh start. roaming roaming perimeter on this road. Uh 30-year-old 30s-year-old white male. uh black shorts. Do you have a picture? Not yet. I'm waiting on the picture. I'm. white male about 30 years old. I went. down to the campground down here at the. river. I notified all of them to get off. the river. Okay, what's his name? We uh. I don't think we have a name. I don't.

think we do yet either. Just start. roaming this. However, it wouldn't take. long to find Nikolai as a witness. noticed him and threatened him with a. baseball bat to wait for officers. A. front witness says that the male appears. to be wearing a camel-colored shirt. Can you bring him back? Okay. I'm sorry, yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, I'm. not. You're being detained at this. point, okay? Yes. Do you think this matches what we have? We have a suspect detained. We believe. we have a suspect detained at the scene. No. No weapons, no nothing like that. 36. has a possible suspect detained at 16th.

and 9th. What's your name? Nick. Nick what? Nick. Mew. Okay. Yeah, I think that's it. He's got a silver tooth. and mattress. silver [snorts] block chain. So I guess that's where you're just. detained at this point, okay? We'll. explain everything in a second here. the same as well. So there is I'm still. coming to merge and I'm just getting. through [clears throat] ball one. and I need it. The guy with the baseball bat was just. responding to the to the sighting.

Can you step out for a second? We just want to check you out. Are you. injured at all? No, other than my butt. They injured and. scratched up. injured? Well, from sliding all over the. stones. All the rocks? Yeah. All right. And my hand, I think. I. a look at your hand. Yeah. Now that police have Nikolai. apprehended, they can bring him to the. station and begin investigating what. happened. However, as Nikolai is about. to leave the lake, he says something. that would change this investigation.

completely. Somebody out here, somebody. got stabbed. Um And I give the. description. Yes, you do. All right. Yeah, so we're working through that now. Did you see that fight on the river? I've heard about it. You heard about it? Yeah, and then I seen people gather. around. Okay. All right. And then I went over to. try to see if somebody saw anything, but. that's about it. Okay. Our whole group was pretty Yeah, interested in finding out what happened. Okay. And that's your whole group over. there? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Did you see anybody.

injured? No. You didn't see anybody injured, no? Did you see anybody fighting? I I heard people screaming and shouting, yes. Okay. Screaming in anger or screaming in pain, do you know? Everybody is drunk, so I don't know. I. can't tell the difference, but I would. say. Just screaming. Okay. Yeah, calling each other names. You know, that's. seen that all day.

Right. We've all been drinking a lot. I'm sure they're drunk. I'm sure they're. Kids being kids. Not only does Nikolai. completely deny that he was responsible. for the stabbings, but he pretends that. no one even got hurt. The video. recordings from the stabbing clearly. show the attacker's face, [music] as. well as the chain Nikolai is wearing. right now. Regardless of what happened. during the altercation, the fact that he. feels the need to pretend to be. completely innocent will downplay.

[music] any of his future statements. Regardless, Nikolai will be transported. to the St. Croix Sheriff's Office, where. he will undergo an intense. interrogation. But for now, police need. to speak [music] with witnesses on scene. to try and better understand the story. from the point of view of those who saw. it directly. Can you tell me, I guess, what you saw. to the best of your recollection? When. we got about 400 yards from here up. there, there was a group small group of kids,

they looked like kids. Um. [music]. this guy was harassing them. We just. They were pointing at him, telling him. to get away. Yeah. Two of the girls later later got up out. of there, too. Two of the girls did. They went over and tried to get him away. from them. And he swung over and punched Madison in. the face. Okay. And then the other boy hit him back as. soon as he punched her. The guy pulled. out a knife and he just started. just stabbing people that were around.

him. Okay. We were just chilling and. then we saw this older guy start. harassing these younger teenagers and. we're the type of people to not let that. happen cuz they're young. So, we tried. to stop him and he punched me in the. face and then went literally crazy. because all the guys started tagging. because he punched me in the face. So, he took out a knife and he just started. stabbing everybody and that's what. happened. Everybody was just. It's all because he punched me in the. face. That's literally why everybody. just got stabbed.

If if you're thinking by that statement. that it's your fault, it most definitely. is not, okay? We were floating down the river. We came. We We caught up to a group of kids. sitting in their tubes with an older guy. standing over. How old do you think kids. were? The kids were high school kids. High school kids. Isaac was part of that group. Uh the. one that passed away. He was part of. that other group. And they were flagging us down telling. us, "Please help us. This guy's a.

He won't leave us alone." And at first I. thought they were joking. He's like, "No, really. Please help us. Help us. He's being very creepy." But that group. of kids, I was worried that they were. all going to gang up on him and. something bad was going to happen to. him. The 52-year-old guy. I was worried. something was going to happen to him. We. just wanted to shoo the guy away. I figured he'd go away if he saw people. intervening. Next Next thing I know, as everyone's. running at me, "He stabbed me. He. stabbed me." You know?

And I saw the guy get punched and fall. down and Who was the other guy? The. Sorry. Well, it's okay. It was Isaac. Okay. I saw him flailing wildly, but I. didn't realize he was stabbing everyone. And next thing I know, I have. "I'm dying. You I can't breathe. You got. to You know?". And I tried to get her in a tube so we. could float her down and get her off and. And it was just utter chaos from that. point. Based on what witnesses are saying, Nikolai was inappropriately approaching. a group of minors in the lake, was.

noticed by another group doing these. things and was confronted by the teens. causing him to stab anyone who tried. attacking him. But, this is only coming. from the side of the victim's friends. Nikolai's friends and family on the. other hand would seem to have a. completely different recollection of. what went down. Who'd you come with. personally? Just me and my husband over. here and we met all of them over here. Okay. At any point in time did any. member of your group ever leave your. group? Yes, my husband. Um.

Ariel lost his phone. Okay. So, he was. look trying to find it and he had it in. one of those floaty things, but he. thought maybe water got in it, so he put. on he brought scuba stuff with like and. he put that on and he was down in the. water looking for it. Did you see him the whole time he was. off his tube? Yes, I did. Okay. What was. he doing while he's off his tube? He was he was looking. Yeah. And then this group of guys. I don't know how many was on these tubes. saw all of them get off their tubes and.

they started hitting him. Okay. All right. And what happened after. that? We. I I yelled and and then I just heard. screaming. And Nick and these guys all came back. They were on the other side and we were. on this side of the river. Yeah. All I heard is somebody got hurt, but I. don't know how. I don't I don't know. anything about that. I just heard. someone was hurt. Does Nick normally. carry does he ever carry a weapon with. him? He had a knife in his pocket. Not a very.

big one and he said those guys grabbed. it from him. The people he was fighting. with? Yep. They grabbed it and he said. they they swung it at him and he grabbed. their hand and moved it away. Okay. when they went I didn't see it. That's. what he told me. Okay. And then they went. they kept saying was they called me a. and they started hitting me and he said. all I did was try and look for this. phone. All right. Okay. [snorts]. Well, yeah, there was a few people hurt,

but we got some stuff to work out, okay? Obviously, you with the group, being. Nick's wife or. wife, and everybody else, you guys. aren't going to be able to leave for a. little bit, okay? Until we get the okay. Okay. Cuz it was more than just some. injuries. It was pretty serious event. that happened. Otherwise, you wouldn't. see people showing up in tactical green, right? Right. Okay. Nikolai's friends and wife claim. he was spontaneously attacked, and that. Nick's knife was grabbed by the teens, and that he was even threatened with the. knife. The phone recording shows Nikolai. was ganged up six to one when initially.

confronted, turning to 13 people against. one shortly after, helping to. authenticate those claims. This. complicated things for detectives. The. side against Nick claims he's a. pedophile and went on a rampage after. being called out. The side with Nick. claims he was attacked by the teens and. didn't see him doing anything. predatorial. It's clear, based off the. phone recording, that Nick did indeed. commit the stabbings. However, his. reasoning is uncertain. If the. detectives determine the teens.

unnecessarily attacked Nick, then he. could plead self-defense and most likely. win. But, if detectives can determine. Nick acted erratically after being. exposed for approaching a group of. minors, then self-defense is less. plausible and he'd be facing murder. charges. In order to solve this mystery, detectives decide to conduct interviews. with every prominent witness that was at. the scene the day of the stabbings. However, as the case would unfold, detectives would unravel disturbing. secrets from both parties, leading to.

one of the most twisted conclusions in. the history of policing. Police began by. talking to Ashley, who was on the scene. during the stabbings. So, yeah, I'm I'm. just kind of trying to follow up on. the craziness that happened out there. How are you doing? Uh pretty good. So, you were out there with a group of. friends for the day? Yes. And we were. just going down the river and then we. saw this um older man harassing these. teenage boys. So, Maddie said, "Hey, get.

away. Get out of their faces. Just move. along." And all of a sudden he punched. her in the face. She went down. And I. were slowly walking up there and then. said, "Dad, I just got stabbed. He has a. knife. He just stabbed me." And then. that's when I turned and looked at. guts were all over. He was holding onto. them. And then that's when I was like go. call 911. And I was trying to get back. Just started calling everyone and. whatnot. Telling everyone to get out of. the river and everything like that. Yeah, everything just happened so fast.

Yeah. So, he was harassing them and then. you said he was messing with their. tubes? Yeah, he was trying to like pull. apart their tubes. And that was the. first contact you had with that other. group? Yes. So, then you know, you asked. that that other group if they need help. and they said that you know, he was. harassing them, messing with their tubes. and then what happened next? Um that's. when um Maddie went up to the group. Maddie went up to the old guy said, "Hey, get out of here, you know, stop. messing with these boys. They're only. teenagers." Like I don't know what.

started him off to wanting to punch her. in the face. But that's when when he punched her in. the face, she slipped, fell in the. water. That's when everybody surrounded. him saying, "Don't hit a woman. Just get. out of here." and everything like that. That's when I'm slowly walking towards. Maddie to see if she was okay. Okay. And. everything like that. Ashley's story. doesn't quite line up with the other. witnesses' claims or the speculation. that Nikolai was doing anything that. could classify him as a pedophile. She.

claims he was harassing a group of male. teens and when Maddie approached him to. stop, she was punched in the face. This is what caused the group to. confront and push Nikolai, not because. of the predatorial theories. Regardless, punching Maddie for what seems like no. reason at all is not only assault of a. minor but degrading to any defense. Nikolai can make in trial. Next, detectives speak to Emma who shared the. gruesome and horrifying details of. watching the stabbings happen in real.

time. Paul, if you want you can just. take me that day and Yeah. tell me. everything. It was a day I'll never ever forget, honestly. And so we had our music playing and we. hear arguing. So, you know, we're not. paying attention to like that. We can't be there for that. And so we. turn around and that's when my brother. Larry on he was like, "Sis, Sis, you. seeing this?" I'm like, "Seeing what?" So then that's when we. all get off of the raft. And so we stop. it cuz the current was pulling us. So. then that's when I see a guy just stab.

some poor boy in the stomach and go. straight down. Um and then that's when I saw him trying. to put his intestines back in his. stomach. He was trying to still. processing what was happening. Everybody. was screaming around. The people who. were trying to grab the knife from the. man. It was like a lady and three other. maybe teens. Um she was dead and she. floated down the river. That's when she. floated to us and we put her on our raft. and was holding her insides in cuz she. was still just bleeding out and crying.

And so then that's when I got my phone. out the plastic bag and called the. police and it's like, "Hey, how are we. going to stop this?" Um but then the. other people rushed to go help him, the. guy who had his intestines out. And. another person was trying to grab the. knife from the guy but still two other. people got stabbed after that. Well, as. we got to the grassed area and we were. helping the girl, we were keeping her. calm. I was on the phone with the police. at that time trying to give them the. location of where we were on the river. The. owner of Apple River and his workers,

the people who worked at the river, they. were coming down and trying to climb. down from the area and asking us what. was happening. And. we told them what we saw and the weapon. that we saw there, too, and he vanished. fairly quickly. I don't think he was. running, but, you know, with all the. commotion, we were more concerned about. all the blood and the water and. intestines floating and other people who. were severely bleeding. And so, then at. that point, it was really just let's. help the people who were hurt instead of. going to chase after the guy. Who saw.

the knife? At what point did you see a. knife? Was there already chaos and. people that were injured? I saw the knife. Well, yeah, I saw the. knife once it was um put into the male's. body. [music]. He went in, and went down, and then. that's when the intestines fell out. He. pulled the knife out. I saw people. trying to swing and grab the knife or. stop him, and that's when he just went. [music] and stabbed everybody. Okay, he. was just poking people. And so, the the. first male that you saw injured was one. with the stomach injury. Yes. Yeah, he did walk up first, and I.

think he must have saw the knife first. cuz he did walk up to the hospital, but. I understand if he did see a knife here. coming at a group of teenagers, I could. understand that. Did you see the other. people wounded? I mean, like, did you. see the physical action that the other. male did to wound the other people? Yeah, three of them I think. It was three of them. Three of them I. did see. They were also all the people. who tried to. [music]. stop, put his hands out, don't do this, and he just. I just stabbed everybody who was in his. way.

Can you describe when the other people. were stabbed a little bit more? Do you. have any more detail there on that? First, it. I did see the other guy swing. So, the. one who was not as injured, he did like. sort of swing at him, but that is when. he missed, he didn't hit him, and the. guy did come around, and. and then same for the girl, she like. came up and like tried to push him, but. wasn't successful, didn't have enough. reach, and he went right for her side, right here, or one of these sides on the.

side right here, and stabbed her in the. stomach. And she was trying to walk. away, and then she just dropped in the. water and then we had a few a few. two. Based on both Ashley and Emma's. story, Nikolai is painted as a. cold-blooded killer who went on a. rampage after being confronted and. stabbed anyone he could reach. But it. seems Emma might have a bias in her. retelling of events. She recounts any. attacks on Nikolai in an almost defeated. way as if she's ashamed to admit the. story was rather double-edged at times.

The teens were without a doubt wrong to. some degree. It was unnecessary to gang. up on Nikolai so heavily and attack him. helplessly while he fell to the ground. But was this enough reason to stab five. people in self-defense? The detectives. will need to find more evidence to. accurately figure this out. So with this. in mind, detectives take a different. approach and interview Amanda, Nikolai's. coworker, who went to the Apple River. alongside the same group [music] as. Nikolai.

I'll just start. It's my understanding. that. you were coworkers with Nick. Yes, he. works in the other building. Okay. And how long have you known Nick? Uh we used started hanging out probably. when his wife. retired. Okay, so his wife used to work. here? Sandra or Sandy? Sandy, yep. She was a supervisor in the. other building. I'll say 3 years. 3 years is when you. kind of started normally Yeah. hanging. out. Yeah, lots of coworkers come over. and she didn't invite coworkers over and.

everybody's friends with him and. everybody everybody's shocked. Right. So about Nick, your friendship with him, what what do you know about him? Can you. just kind of describe him, what do you. know about him, his story, where he came. from, his history, what his likes are? Romania. Um he's just an outdoorsman, likes to. fish and being with fishing and just. being outside and. quiet. Just calm. Doesn't like a lot of.

noise and chaos and but yeah, he's just. a very calm, caring guy. who would help whenever we needed help. with something that would break down, he'd come over and. to fix it or help Ernest to fix. something and. just always helping out, always helping. people. Yeah. Can you kind of just describe the. day from there? Yeah, we just got there and we got. everybody together and went and got our. stuff and.

we started setting up the tubes. and just got in and started going. And then Sandy. kind of looked and said Nick's Nick's in. trouble, Nick's in trouble. And I was still sitting and they Nick's. in trouble, somebody help him, somebody. help. And then I got up. I'm looking. I never. saw Nick down there. I never saw. any of our group down there. And I never saw Nick down there and I'm. just looking and just see people just.

going every which way. I didn't see any blood or anything. And I just I'm like, what's going on? Is. a big fight going on? And then I I was. handed a phone. I think Tatiana called. the police. But she handed me the phone. And I'm like, there's something going. on. We're at the Apple River and there's. something happening. There's a fight. There's I don't know what's going on. And I think I was repeating myself. And. then she hung up. And after that, Nick came back. And I just looked at him and I'm like,

what happened? He's like. they called me a file. They took my. snorkel. They attacked me. They threw me. on the ground and were. assaulting attacking me. And I'm like. I thought there was some kind of fight. going on and maybe he kind of bumped. into them. I did see the kid on the on the. side. I thought maybe he knocked his. head or maybe got water in him. I didn't know anything about the. stabbing or anything at that time.

He just He looked like kind of stunned. and shocked. And then he I think he sat down. He. didn't say another word. He didn't say. nothing, and everybody's just like. looking around. I see the police. The police are here. So, let's just wait and see. Maybe they. want to talk to Nick because he was part. of the the thing. If I knew. If I knew then what I know now, we would not have gone down that river. I would've been like, "You Something.

happened. You've got to go.". If I saw something really. If I thought that he did something or I. saw it, I'd be like, "What do you You got to go. You got to". And I thought he would even like stop. and say, "Hey, something happened. I have to go." I. would think he would've said something. like that. And. And we're all there, and. it's. it's terrible for us. cuz now we're getting all this crap.

People I don't know. I got a phone call. this morning, and it was nobody on the line. It's I'm. We're all scared. This is an important. interview for detectives. Someone from. Nikolai's group, shocked and disgusted. by his actions that day, not only has. everyone who witnessed the scene that. day painted him out to be a monster, but. his own co-worker has, too. Police now. have a mountain of evidence against. Nikolai, but decide to talk to one final.

person, Larion, who reveals what. actually happened leading up to the. stabbing. Is there anything else you can think of. about, um, you know, what you saw? Like, you know, some things that would be. important to us is like, you know, like, uh, if you saw who. pushed the guy, if you saw anyone else. with the knife, if you saw anything like. that. Well, the the One of the boys who got. stabbed, he was telling us that the dude he was. on came up to them and asked them for.

like pictures like. um. explicit pictures. And. and I'm like I'm like what? And then. y'all got to fighting and I guess they. got to fighting. He said yeah then they. got to stabbing them. So And he asked them for or this is one. of the guy who's got [music] actually. got stabbed. Okay. got stabbed. He said that the That's. what That's what happened. The dude was. asking them for explicit pictures of the. girls that they was with. So I. I guess from there it was like what you. doing? They got to altercation. They.

must have put their hands on him and. then he retaliated by by slashing them. This claim [music] backs up why he was. being called a file on the phone. recording. If this is true, then the. story makes a whole lot more sense. Nikolai approached the females asking. for explicit photos. The females being. mostly underage declined and Maddie. confronted Nikolai on the matter. potentially putting her hands on him in. the process. That's when he punched. Maddie in the face and all hell broke. loose. A man then punched Nikolai.

knocking him down prompting him to stab. anyone who tried to approach him again. A common opinion stated in unrecorded. interviews was that Nikolai allegedly. thought the teens on the tubes stole his. missing phone which prompted him to. attack the teens. This is largely. confirmed in the phone recording as. well. As we can see Nikolai searching. around the area and pushing the group's. tubes around. Detectives would go on to. interview countless more witnesses all. with the same general story. Nikolai. harassed the group of teens and when. confronted went on a cold-blooded.

rampage. But still people lie. Those who. were friends with anyone injured at the. scene would obviously remain biased. towards the side against Nikolai and. could keep out any information that. didn't get caught on the phone. recording. So with that they sit Nikolai. himself down and prepare to confront. Nikolai on the piles of evidence they've. racked up against him [music] and. determine whether or not all of these. stories are true. And and I understand. you're married to Andy. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Is she okay? She is. Yeah, she I.

did talk to her. I talked to her for. quite a while. I brought her to get dry. clothes. Where is she? Where is she? She is with her husband Andy. Pinky? My puppy? She's headed home to take care. of the dog. So, I would like to ask questions about. what you did today, what happened, you. know, like how you how you guys got to. be in the Apple River today, and then. like what your day was like. All I can. say is it was a really bad It was. self-defense. Self-defense is allowed for people. They came on to me.

Self-defense and they produced two. weapons. One I took from them. This. would be the start of Nikolai's string. of lies during this interview. Nikolai. did bring the knife he used to stab the. victims. He brought it specifically so. he could cut rope while on the river. After the stabbings, Nikolai threw the. knife into the river, which was later. retrieved. That's the only thing I can. tell. And they were they hit me and they. were on top of me and that's I don't. remember anything after that. I just. remember I ran away. I ran away to my to.

my group There were actually people. coming over from my group to see. what was going on. I said, "Nothing, nothing, nothing. Just get back." And. and they kept asking and I said, "Nothing, nothing." I didn't explain to. them anything because I was I was I was. so fearful. I didn't know what these. people would be doing to us. I've never. been in a situation like this. where people produce weapons and they. were saying they were. calling. um. Don't. I I don't remember, but they said,

"Don't run away Don't don't run from us. Don't do this. You're a. You're a dish.". And. Yes, they were. People are drunk or you're That's the. The thing I remember in my mind is. if I'm. should you be drinking? Should you be drinking alcohol and and. doing what you're doing to people that. you don't even know, attacking them? And. I said. if if I'm. you shouldn't be having alcohol. You know? And and they took my I was.

snorkeling, so they took my snorkel. away. They threw it in the water. [music]. They grabbed my pants. One wanted to. pull my pants down and I grabbed onto. him. And I don't know who that kid was, but he produced. He had a knife on him. And then there. was another knife, a longer knife. Looked like a kitchen knife. This is. true. There was in fact an additional. knife at the scene. It's unclear if that. knife was pulled out at any point during. the altercation, but at no point was the. knife used to stab anyone. And I don't.

know what happened to either one of. them. I just know that I I. when the kid attacked me, I took that. from him. The kitchen knife or the other. one? No, the small the smaller knife. Okay, what did that knife look like? Do. you remember? really remember. But it was smaller? Smaller, yes. So. that's all I. How did you get to be by them? Or who. are these people? So. I I had lost his phone. Okay. Phone was. in the floor. What are those bags that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And everyone had. one, but his phone was in the floor.

there, so he says, "Well, let's go look. for it.". So I put put my snorkel on and I looked. and these guys found something and. they're talking about it. And then I. said, "Okay This group of people? These were the people. there. I went over and I said, "Did you guys. find the phone? And if you did, can. [clears throat] I see it? Can I identify. it?" And they started calling me names. They got off of their tubes. They came. at me. So I I said, "All I need And. they're calling me all kinds of. names, insulting me for being in the. water with the with a snorkel. And I. said, "All I want, guys, did you find.

the phone?". And I saw they had a they had found. something. It seems rather ridiculous. that Nick would be called such specific. things if he confronted them as kindly. as he says he did. It's very clear he's. leaving something out of his story. Keep. in mind at this point Nick has no idea. the entire altercation was recorded, so. he likely thinks these stories being. completely innocent seem plausible. They. were looking desperately for my disco. and I know somebody found it, but I. thought it was that group. They they.

came to me and they they grabbed my. snowboard and they threw it in the. water. Well, the water was so fast it. went under. So, I went out after it and. they started. another group of mostly girls came over. from from the other side yelling at me. and calling me. sir and and something like that. And I I. went back. I went I actually after. [clears throat] the distance of them, I. didn't even I didn't even know I didn't. even know what happened. Again, another. flat-out lie. The phone recording. clearly shows Nick was the initial.

aggressor when he started pushing the. teens off their tubes. I didn't know. that they they attacked me and I had I. was in self-defense. I went into. self-defense mode and then I went over. to my my group of people. That was it. And they asked me what happened and I. wouldn't tell them. I said. I can't tell you. I let me calm down. Okay. I was I was. shocked, so nobody on that knew exactly. what happened. The only thing they said. said was you know somebody got. in an argument over there like.

Yep, let's just let's just. leave that alone. Don't don't don't. don't go over there. And I said did you guys find something? And I thought they did. And I I I know they did because they're. hiding something from me. And and then I. went over there and they grabbed my. snowboard, they threw it down, they they. started they got off their their tubes, they came after me, they pushed me, one. of them hit me and then there was a girl. that came from here and hit me in the. back of my head. And I was about right there. He said. right here? Yes, when she hit me, yeah.

So, that's when the the female hit you? Yeah. I mean, I feared for my life. To tell. you the truth, when they started hitting. me and and and putting. pointing a knife at me, and then another. kid pointing a knife, I thought that was. it for me. Luckily, I took it from from the one of. the young kids, and I think that's my. strong back. What did you do with it? I don't even know. Okay. I don't know. Absolutely, I don't know. Nikolay's. defense becomes extremely hard to. believe when he constantly lies about.

the incident. Again, the knife used was. his. He did not take it from anyone. He. pulled it from his own pocket and used. it to stab five people. He threw it into. the lake in the hopes he could cover the. incident up completely. Proof of this is. in his talks with police while being. arrested, where he pretended he wasn't. even near the scene of the crime. I. don't know how he got it back. I have. absolutely no idea. Did you hit him? [clears throat] Like, did it did the. knife make contact with him? That I. don't remember. He was so close. And one. had it in his hand, so I took his hand, and I bent and I [music] poked him with.

with his own hand. And then I I took it. from his hand, and then I I went and. swung like this. So, I don't know who I. hit. I just know I just know that. I took the knife from from one of the. kids. The other one, I don't know what. happened to him. I I didn't get hit. Um did you have a knife No. No, absolutely Okay. But you have one with you today, right? The what? A knife to cut. How did that. I think it's in my car. Okay. Yeah. I. think. Did you drive it? Did you drive?

Okay. Yeah. Okay. So, um I I don't even know uh where it's. at, to tell you the truth. Uh it may be. in one of the bags we had with us. It. may have been in in um. I I don't know. It maybe I left it put. it back in the car. Cuz I went back with. a bunch of I had. straps. I didn't want to pay for straps. But this is the thing, is And why did. they say "I don't want you to have. straps"? They told me they said, "Yeah, you have straps. You're a kid over. there. You have straps, no problem." But. they they the spring is free. So I said,

"Okay, I'll take the spring." You know, and then I took the straps back. So it. was straps and puncture the Yeah. [music]. So I took I had a whole bag of straps. that I took back to my car. Okay. And so. maybe the knife was the strap? Uh. probably. Did Did you have any cuts or marks on. you? Have you had a chance to like look. at your. No. or photo or Yeah. Yeah, somebody was. telling me that I'm bleeding from my. ear, from my left [music] ear. Who told.

you that? Uh. I think it was Amy. They said, "Nick, you're bleeding from your left [music]. ear.". And I went like this and I went in the. water and I cleaned it and. I don't see any. Right. I I really I. don't know if you see any cuts but I. don't I don't I don't. Yeah, but I don't. know where that. where I was bleeding from my ear. This. is a smart tactic used by the detective. By getting Nick to confirm he had no. injuries, the prosecution can use this. as evidence to rule out self-defense. Nick claims Amy told him his ear was. bleeding but says himself that he didn't.

notice any blood. In addition, it takes. him seconds to recall who told him his. ear was bleeding, meaning he could have. just made the scenario up altogether. Um. [music]. but Amy saw blood? I think she said, "You're bleeding from. your ear, Nick.". And then I cleaned it and I said, "Look, there is nothing.". Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. if it was blood or if it was weeds.

[snorts] she saw. I have no idea. [music]. We were like. She was on the other side and I was just. Yeah, so she's over here, right? She's. over here, yeah, right here. Oh, so. she's close to you. Amy's over here. close to the shore? Yeah. Okay. with the natural right here. And I was. over here somewhere in the middle of. this. [music]. Okay. And you got back in And tube then? What I happening? back. in my own two feet. Okay. Notice how. Nick feels the need to provide a. detailed description on this claim from. Amy, but not for anything else. This is. a common defense mechanism used by.

someone lying. When they feel as though. their claims aren't being taken as. truth, they try and depict the scenario. in as much detail as possible to make it. seem more authentic. Okay, so you took. the smaller knife. From one of them. And. is that the one that you said that you. kind of went. Yes. Oh, I I was I was I was going like. this. I wanted I wanted out. You were. coming at me. They were punching me and. they they were. uh circling me and they they came really. close. They were pushing me in the. water. I didn't even know if I was. holding it right. I just grabbed it from. him because he tried to poke me with it.

I feared for my life. Sounds like I was. very shocked. I was extremely shocked. Is this you? Yes. What do you think was happening at. that time? They were doing they were. fighting me. They they pointed the knife at me. They. pointed the knife at me. Nick thinks. this photo will actually help his case, but he's in for a rude awakening. Did. you see anyone take this picture of you? No, God, no. I was I was actually very. very. scared. I was very scared. I didn't know. what to think. I didn't know what they. were doing and why.

I mean, I understand they were drunk, but. you guys got that drunk. We all get. drunk. We don't do that kind of stuff, especially at a family. gathering like this. Family outing. We don't do that kind of stuff. But I. was very Do you see? I was very very. scared. I didn't know what was going to. happen next. So, what happened? Can you tell me what happened? Yeah. Um. [music]. Four people went to the hospital with. injuries. Oh my god. And all of them.

were treated and released. I don't know. Not a very remorseful reaction for. someone who's just learned he killed. someone and injured four others. It's. almost like he fully knew that he. critically injured multiple people. I. don't know any of their names and I. don't know any genders, so I I don't. know. Was that. because they fought each other, or is. that the I don't know. I don't know what. their injuries are. I I just I was with. Sandy the whole time, and then when I. kind of turned Sandy over to Ernesto and. Amy, then I came here. I.

I have no idea what their injuries were. Oh my. god. Oh my god. [clears throat]. What other pictures did they give you or. me? Just that one. That's the only one I. have. [music]. No, my whole life they've done the two. Well, I don't I don't know if that's the. case. Because people have the right to defend. themselves. I know, but this is Well, this is Wisconsin. This is Wisconsin.

Okay. They continue on. I I I. usually know that people that. defend themselves, they end up. being accused of being this and being. that. Well, I think if you'd asked me what I. would have done, Yeah, I would. I don't know. Yeah, you don't know. I. don't know. I would have been scared. shitless, I can tell you that. Why don't. you call that many people and try to. pull your pants down and hit you and. yeah. And you would do do both at knives on. them.

They didn't find any of those two. knives? I I don't know. I don't know, but we're looking. And you know, that. we're looking before it gets dark out. Um. I'm glad that Cassidy took that kid's. knife. He would have stabbed me. He was not there to scare me. He was. there to harm me. Again, notice how every time a knife. gets brought up, Nick feels the need to. elaborately explain that he took the. knife and whoever had it was trying to. hurt him. This is all a deflection. tactic to try and make his lie seem less. suspicious. Nick would take blood.

vitals, and the interview would. conclude. But notice his difference in. tone between the start and the end of. the interrogation. Clearly, he feels. like something went wrong.