Teen Killer Livestreams After Taking His Final Victim

Is it going? Hey, everybody. Uh I just. figured I'd send a quick check. This is Paul Ferguson. Tragically, his. brother Timothy passed away just prior. to this live stream. For those of you. who aren't aware, um. my little brother has passed away and. it's a lot to deal with, but we're we're. fine. With such devastating news, viewers. quickly showed him support during this. terrible time. But unbeknownst to Paul's.

fans, this would be his last live stream. ever. Because as it turns out, Paul. himself was behind the death of his. younger brother. [music]. [music]. On the 6th of July, 2022 at 6:37 p.m., police were called to assist with a. medical emergency just outside of Grand. Rapids [music] in Michigan. The caller, Shonda Vander Ark, mother of Paul and. Timothy, had [music] told paramedics.

that Timothy wasn't breathing. Just 7. minutes after arriving on the scene, Timothy was pronounced dead. Officers. had never seen anything like it. Timothy. was malnourished, bruised, and. hypothermic. There were [music] bones. protruding from his skin, and despite. being 5'8, he weighed just 69 [music]. lb. Most concerning was where they. actually found Timothy. He was lying in. a small closet that reeked of urine and. feces. Inside was a blue tarp and an.

Amazon box, and just outside were a pair. [music] of ankle shackles. There were. also multiple cameras around the room. and an alarm on the door he was found. in. Undoubtedly, something was. incredibly wrong, but police hadn't even. scratched the surface of just how. horrible this case would turn out to be. So, to maybe shed a little light on what. just happened here, [music] Officer. Shawn Stefanich decides to talk to his. seemingly grieving mother, Shanda. Hello, ma'am.

I'm Officer Stepanich. Right now, we got. some people coming over to talk to you, okay? [laughter]. He's wearing really loose clothes the. last couple weeks. He's really skinny. He's really skinny, and I didn't notice till this morning. cuz he wouldn't like I asked him if he's. okay, and he would not answer me. Like, he's 15. He's been He He He has autism? Yeah. Like a high-functioning? Yeah. I had no idea how bad it was. Oh my god. He did this. back in.

Um my husband struggles to remember. stuff. Mhm. I know he did this back in I. don't know, second week of January for. almost 3 weeks. And then he finally he. ate some. He ate something last night. I can't. remember what it was. I'm sorry. It's okay. This is where police realized that. Shanda's emotions [music]. might all be an act. And as they would. uncover more evidence in the house and. talk to her son, Paul, these claims. would slowly fall apart. So, as the.

officer listens to her side of the. story, he'll be looking for anything to. latch onto that they can use against. them later to determine the [music]. truth. I didn't I just I had no idea. I. would have taken him in or something. So, the last time you saw him was 5:30. this morning? Did he say anything? He. had fallen out of bed. At 5:30? Yeah. You sure it wasn't. earlier? I mean, it's possible. I. thought it was 5:30, but I wasn't super. awake. I heard a thump, and I came down, and he's kind of laying [music] on his.

side, kind of like, "What the heck?" And. um. and I picked every cell. [music]. He. I'm sorry. That's all right. Oh my god. Timothy was. pronounced dead at 6:44 a.m. that. morning, just an hour after Shanda. claimed she last talked to him. The. reason the officer seems suspicious is. because the first responders noticed. that rigor mortis had already started. setting in, tightening his facial. muscles. This usually starts anywhere. from two to four hours after death, not. the barely one hour that Shanda is.

claiming here. But the real question is. how Shanda never noticed just how skinny. and emaciated Timothy really was. This. sort of malnutrition doesn't just happen. overnight. So the officer asks her to. explain herself. I asked him to eat last. night cuz his face started looking a. little thin. I'm like, "Okay, now." And. he wouldn't So I'm like, "Let me see. Hold your shirt up." And he wouldn't. hold his shirt up. He wouldn't do. anything. Did he get real skinny last. time, too? Yes. The only reason I know. is because my 7-year-old walked in on. him accidentally when he was in the.

shower downstairs. And then my. 7-year-old comes up and he's like, "Mama, Timothy's really skinny." I was. like, "Okay.". Was that this time or last time? last time. And I told him he was either. going to start eating every multiple. times a day or I was taking him to the. hospital, and he didn't want to go to. the hospital, so So he ended up eating. on his own? Yes. [music] And then so this this last. time, was it because your husband wasn't. home? Well, he hasn't been home since. January 3rd. He actually mentioned he. was hungry the day his [music] stepdad. or his dad and stepmom called to tell us. that they were divorced and moving to. Florida last week. Shanda is essentially.

saying that Timothy wasn't eating. because of a quote hunger strike. campaigning against family problems. Back in January, Adam Vanderark, Shanda's husband, had a stroke and had. to move out due to issues accessing. their home. Apparently, this caused. Timothy to stop eating [music] for 3. weeks, and he only started again after. threats of being taken to the hospital. But for the last 2 weeks, he'd stopped. eating again. Allegedly, this time due. to his biological father divorcing his. wife and moving away to Florida. Each of.

these events did indeed happen, but as. it would turn out, they had nothing to. do with Timothy's hunger at all. Police. handed over the case to detectives who. obtained a search warrant and began to. collect evidence throughout the house. That's when they found leg shackles in a. drawer, four webcams scattered. strategically placed around a basement, zip ties in the bathroom, a half-empty. bottle of Extreme Regret's Carolina. Reaper hot sauce, and locks on every. single fridge, freezer, and pantry in.

the house. This painted a picture of a. helpless boy forced to live inhumanely. among his own dirt and filth, watched. every second of the day, and brutally. until the very end. The next day, an. autopsy was conducted on Timothy's body, finding even more strange and worrying. things. He had extremely sunken eyes, slightly blue-tinted skin, and there. were many signs of dehydration as well. His cause of death was determined to be. dehydration and extreme emaciation due.

to starvation with hypothermia playing a. role, too. With all of this information. and evidence gathered, the police knew. something foul had to be a play. They. just weren't sure what. Starvation in a. house filled with food, hypothermia in. the middle of an American summer. alongside hot sauce and handcuffs. It. had to all come together somehow. So, the day after Timothy's death at 3:57. p.m., they bring in Paul, Shand's. 20-year-old son, for interrogation to. try and uncover what all this could.

possibly mean and how exactly he was. involved. What Paul doesn't know is that. they've already collected a mountain of. evidence. Detective Ryan Peace is going. to use a five-step program to slowly. extract the truth from Paul, starting by. getting on his good side and ending. [music] by tearing into him and making. him feel so guilty he'll have no choice. but to confess to everything. I don't want to talk anything specific. about the case just yet. But, since you. consented to the police searching your.

house, Yeah. they brought stuff out. here. I want to advise you of some lies. before we talk, but that's where. everything What I do want you to know, though, is that we looked at your. phones, okay? There's a lot of evidence. in on to and I know that you're kind of. aware of the communication between. yourself and your mother and and all. sorts of things and that's kind of what. I want to talk to you about. Yeah. But. we were certainly those were very. serious things that you guys were. talking about. As mentioned, police have. spent the last 24 hours combing over. text messages, camera recordings, crime. scene images and much more to try and.

get a good picture of what had happened. So, as the case is with many younger. suspects, Detective Peace will start. calmly trying to put Paul at ease and. get on his good side before slowly. breaking him down and exposing the. truth. I know that we talked yesterday. I know that not everything that we. talked about was the truth yesterday. That's okay. You don't have to feel bad. You don't have to feel guilty about not. telling the truth to me. I'm not trying. to get to the truth of what really. happened. But I just need to get to the. truth of that. I mean there's clearly a lot of messages.

about stuff that you guys were doing. with him, about what he was eating, about restricting his food. How did that. How did that all work? We stopped the. food restrictions recently because we. had noticed his thinness. We wanted to. get that back on. We didn't want any of. this. We never wanted him to be. injured or hurt. I loved him so much. Yeah, I can tell that. I just couldn't. tell that. And we wanted what's best. Yeah. The thing is he was stuck in the. past. So, you stopped the food. restrictions. When did that happen? Two. weeks. Approximately We were hoping that.

we could get enough where it would be. safe for him that we could continue to. add it back to where we wouldn't have to. worry and we could What were the What. were the restrictions? We made sure that it was still something. that gave him enough. calories and everything. We It was. rice or bread and like I said last week. he got pizza. Throughout the thousands. of texts detectives have between Paul. and Shanda, there's a huge amount of. talk about food restrictions. It doesn't.

take much to realize that this was why. Timothy was thin as he was. Peace will. focus more on this later. What's more. interesting though is how Paul justified. this. Nothing. We followed the path. We. made sure that it was still something. that he didn't enough. calories and everything. These aren't. Paul's own thoughts. This is just what. he's been told by his mother since they. started. Over the course of several. months, he's internalized it and now. seems to fully believe that what he's. been doing to Timothy is for his own.

good. What were the What were the place. for like in the first place? [clears throat] We didn't do anything. We didn't do anything. We We tried. everything. We were nice. We tried. different consequences, but he just I. couldn't never listen. What were some of. the other punishments that you did? We didn't take away his devices. That was also because he would just stay. on his school sites and just go on. trying to play games or watch YouTube. And he should have been held back so. much. Yeah, but he passed all his final. exams. And so.

I don't think it was my step mother. My. step mother was amazing. Yeah. But I. believe it was my father's doing. Okay. But my dad is controlling, freaky, and. jealous. He didn't want me having any. contact in school. He wanted to control. all of it. Okay. Note how the only. consequence that Paul [music] mentions. here is the fact that they take away his. phone occasionally, something fairly. innocuous. It's also worth mentioning. just how quickly he tries to put Timothy. and his father down in exactly the same. way his mother was known to do. But as.

Paul continues talking, it becomes clear. exactly how much of a problem this is. actually become and that he might have. actually been strongly manipulated by. her to do all of this. It was the same. back in Oklahoma where I had to I had. problems with. emotional. release. I was so terrified of him that. I didn't ever want to ever release any. of these negative emotions I ever had. around him. It was It was terrifying. I. wanted to say no, but I was so terrified. that I just couldn't. Here, I can release my anger. And I do.

[clears throat] it in the right way. because I never do it any. in any way that I'm not supposed to. When she had her tubes undone for little. for Gabriel, he was a blessing to this. world. Yeah. He's not going to pet. Certainly. He's a blessing. Of course. She loves him so much. Before having her. third son, Gabriel, Shanda had a. procedure to restore her fertility. To. her, having Gabriel was a miracle. because she didn't know if this would. work. That's likely why no evidence was.

ever found of her harming Gabriel. because he was by far and away her. favorite child. That does, however, provide a harrowing reason for why she. might have abused Timothy so much. He. was her problem child, and she didn't. like the fact he had so many mental. health conditions, [music]. so she wanted to take her anger out on. and deal with the problem directly. Dirty nasty that I know that he. slept over at her house and rubbed that. They were talking.

I would call that an attitude that was. unnecessary, and. [clears throat]. she would have me get off the devices. for maybe 15 minutes cuz usually that. was what it was revolved around. It was. just I'll be honest, I never I had an. addiction to my devices. Okay. I never. had not very much of that at home. Yeah. My dad was strict. She didn't even. give me a phone. My sis- my sister and. my step-sister had phones before I did. So now you're in work, [music]. and I'm assuming you're paying your. straight up all your paying bills and. Yeah, and like my step- my father.

she doesn't take force me to give her. half of my paycheck. He forced that on. me. Yeah. And I was working basically. minimum wage. At both. That's tough. And the thing is that my. mother can't even face my father right. now. We She doesn't want to call him. because the one thing that she and I. both know. is that he's going to hurl every ounce. of blame he can at her. Listen to how he's talking about his. father. He's only able to say negative. things about him and brings these points.

up even while unprompted. He clearly has. a strong dislike of his father and talks. about him like a divorced partner. Take. a guess where that stemmed from. It's. clear his mother has been feeding him. lies and negativity about his father and. there's no clearer example of this than. what he says next. I moved. here into Michigan, I think, 30th of. cuz for the time after I had moved out. of my parents' house, I stayed with my. uncle even now. And. uncle who both had actually been tricked.

by my father to also believe that my. mother was bad. Nobody was tricked. Shanda simply was a bad person. The. police report contains countless witness. testimonies from family, friends, and. teachers who knew something was wrong. and believed Shanda to be a bad parent. This wasn't an uncommon opinion. One of. Timothy's teachers even told the cops. that all the teachers knew he wasn't. cared for at home and that he lived. through hell most of his life. But to. save face, Shanda would make up lies to.

tell Paul that made her seem perfect and. kept his respect at the cost of making. his father seem downright evil. That's. what makes this case so controversial. Paul was almost certainly not in control. for the majority of this and he was. definitely manipulated by his mother to. some extent, but he still went through. with everything and that's what a jury. would end up focusing on. I saw your phone that you had sent to a. couple of pictures too my mom, yeah. Pretty skinny and you said you know, I. mean he's nothing but skin. But yeah, I.

was I was very concerned that he just. Yeah, what do you think that maybe would. have been a good time to take him to the. doctor or Yeah, honestly, that probably. would have been one too. And then you sent a picture of both his. legs that were just basically gone, right? Yeah, I don't know how to say it. or something along the lines of Yeah, but the thing is. yesterday and I think the day before, he. could walk. He might need a little support every so. often, like he put his hand against the. wall or grabbed the rail of the stairs,

but after [music] a couple of seconds, he'd let go and he'd be fine. Okay. It. was never anything major. When was the. last time he was really like talking to. you, like able to have a conversation, or at least try to have a conversation? Last time he actually talked was 3 days. ago, but the day before or the day after. that, the day before yesterday. He could talk a He talked a small amount. in the morning, but then he just sort of. making groans and moans and It must take. an astonishing amount of delusion to.

believe that not being able to walk or. speak isn't anything major. But in. reality, that's not what they thought. They thought he was faking it entirely. In fact, on the day before Timothy died, Shonda told Paul to wave warm pizza. rolls just in front of him and take them. back if he tries to eat them. It all. just seems as though they were messing. with him to satisfy their own sadistic. desires. What about the photograph in. the bath? Of his face, like sleeping in the. bathtub? Uh he he'd been taking a bath,

and I went in there to check on him at. one point, and he was just kind of. laying there. I'm like, "Buddy, you. okay?" He didn't respond, but he was. looking around, so and he was breathing. I know that much. Yeah. But he wasn't. talking at that time? No, and he it it. it it's it's starting to concern me. I. had I'm not sure if I texted my mom. about it or not. Why would you send a. picture to her? Yeah, I probably should. have said something about the ER attack. one time. Well, I certainly thought it. was stupid. You have to think about it like this,

right? She She She's a grown adult, and if she. she sees that, that's not on you, right? You You made it From what I see, you. made numerous attempts to say, "We need to do something with him like. this." Yeah. We We can't keep doing this. to him. I know she's a big person, but I. just. Paul is speeding himself up because he. knows that he assisted in all of this. But notice how Piske is still trying to. reassure Paul and shift the blame away. from him. Fortunately, this is about to. pay off massively as he starts to talk.

more about the punishments that Timothy. was put through. I think it's a big deal. because right now I'm not in a time of. blaming people. Right now is the time to. try to figure out what could we have. changed, what could we have done. differently, how did we get to the point we were at. because, you know, clearly we were going. to have to do that. You used to do that. And it wasn't a nice little bath, though, right? It was a cold bath. Right? It's a cold ice cold bath. I. didn't wash that. If you did, you How. many times did you ask him did you guys. give him cold baths as a punishment for.

I don't know, whatever. whatever for whatever reason? I don't think. For [clears throat] the punishments, I don't exactly know the number, but it. wasn't a lot. Are we talking like 5, 10, 20? Every day, every other day? Do you. have any idea. of how many times? Whose idea was to give him a cold bath. as a punishment? I mean, it was my. mother's. I. I wasn't sure if it would. do if it would. be a punishment effective or not. Piske.

actually knows exactly how often these. baths occurred because Paul and Shauna. documented every single instance of this. over text. And Timothy was subjected to. them constantly. Even worse, they would. last up to 9 hours at a time. And. remember, Timothy weighed only 69 lb. He. barely had a drop of body fat on him, meaning that he would have felt the. effects of the cold considerably more. than the average person. This is why the. autopsy turned up the evidence of. hypothermia and ruled it as one of his.

main causes of death. Do you remember. the first time you guys did it and what. why? Well, not exactly. What did he do. on that day to deserve the cold bath. that made you have to give him. a cold bath? Um. I think it was the routine not only. that he needed, but also food and water and my mother. wasn't too happy because it absolutely. reeks. And we talked about that. My. understanding is that also he gets. little messages. Yeah. And what did he. sleep most of the nights in that closet?

As Piske mentions, Timothy didn't sleep. in a bed. He slept in a small, cramped. closet that he couldn't even stand up. in. And the punishment that Paul. mentioned, well, that would have. actually happened either way. Inside the. basement where Timothy slept were. multiple cameras and an alarm on the. door. If he'd have gone to the bathroom. instead, then he would have been. punished for leaving his room. Timothy. was completely trapped. We wanted and we always wanted him to. have that bed and we. So you guys decided to move him into the.

closet. There's an alarm on the door. Is that. so? What's that for? When he would try to. sneak food because if you notice there. was also one on the door on the wall. sure. That was also because yeah, there's some food in there that he would. try to sneak. And it wasn't just that he. was hungry all the time, but at some. points for those it was that as he. wanted something sweet. Again, Piske is being extremely nice and. agreeing directly with what is said, trying to make him feel like what he's.

saying is still fine so he incriminates. himself even further. When he was just eating food he talked. about bread. How long long was he eating. just bread? A week or two. What was he having food for then? We do ramen sandwiches and I think at. some points we actually give. [clears throat] him like a meal. What. What was the reason he didn't have. meals? To me the whole [clears throat]. Paul has no idea what to say. He's.

starting to realize just how [music]. cruel everything he did was and the. gravity of the situation has just hit. him. He starved his little brother to. death, and he can't even think of a. reason why. Regardless of the. circumstances or how much influence his. mother had over him, he still did all of. these horrifying things, and there's. still even more to come. And the hot. sauce, and knowing that it was used as a. multiple punishment, and it was put on. the bread. Was it always on the bread?

Not always, no. But the thing is, if he still argued with me or did. anything for him, there would be times. where it would do something to me. because I would accidentally bump my eye. off the counter. It was Ow. What What. the things whether or not there's hot. sauce. What What was that again? I. Whenever my mother told me to put a hot. sauce sign, I did. And when I know the. the ghost There's a California Reaper is. 2,000 Scoville or 2 million Scoville.

What does that mean? Is it the hot sauce. or the hot Is that what it is? Heat index is up. That's pretty hot. Very. Elijah's extreme regret hot sauce is. reviewed as not being something you mess. around with. It measures out to 800,000. Scoville heat units, just shy of what a. fresh ghost pepper would be. Paul and. Shonda would routinely feed this to. Timothy as a punishment, as well as. putting it on the only real food he.

would get in the day. Piske also made. sure to ask Paul what Scoville units. were to make sure he knew exactly how. bad what he was doing was. He confirmed. that this was very, very hot, to the. point of being painful. Yet, he still. went through with what he did for weeks. So, how long have you guys been using. hot sauce for? Um. it's almost a month, maybe. Okay. And was that only on your bread, or was. that on other stuff, too? Uh.

I think [music] one time we put it in. some rice, but after that I don't think. we did that again. What was the sport. right? Cuz you were going to try this to. be a well-secured instead of hot sauce. I know it was punishment, but honestly I. don't think it was that useful because. like I said he had no feeling in his. tongue. He He drilled a hole in it at. one point and didn't even feel [music]. it. Was he eating the Sprite last time. or was he? Yeah. That was Is that really. the only things he ate? He ate those. things or did he eat other things too? Um.

from the bread and rice other than that. not that I know of. Okay. Did you see a decline in him during that. four weeks of Was he losing weight or. being. less responsive or did what what changed. when you moved into doing that? There. would be times where it would take him a. moment to respond. At first I thought it. was just him acting, but then. I was getting concerned. I think a week. or so maybe he developed Okay, is this. is after the latest Yeah. For the hot sauce on bread.

If you ever put hot sauce on your. brother or your younger sibling you put. hot sauce on them? No. Throughout this. interrogation Paul has been consistently. using his mother as a scapegoat for. everything he's done, that he was just. following her orders, but at the same. time it's obvious that he knows his. brother was suffering through all of. this. Many people are familiar with the. Stanford Prison Experiment. 24 male. college students were split into either. guards and prisoners and for two weeks. they were supposed to simulate prison.

However, after just six days the. experiment had to be terminated due to. extreme behavior. The guards quickly. adapted to their position of power and. due to their role being enforced and. validated by the event conductors they. began to abuse the prisoners to the. point of emotional distress. That is to. say Paul was given the opportunity to be. in control and he took full advantage of. it abusing his position. At the same. time though Paul is an adult and at any. point he could have decided to stop or. alert somebody about all of this, but he.

never did. Pisk is also starting to. realize this, so from here on out he's. going to slowly put on the pressure that. will eventually break Paul and make him. fully realize the gravity of what he's. done. Paul, I know that when we talked. yesterday, we talked a lot. You know, too much about stuff, right? I. know that she's a good person. I'm not. doubting that at all. I know that we. never wanted any of this. But you you. also are you also know that some of the. things that. some of the things that she was talking. about is the truth, right? About she.

said she didn't know that it was going. to happen. But the fact of the matter is she asked. you Did she send you a text message that. says, "Look, make sure that the camera's. in there and and. and. [clears throat]. put the shower curtain down so I can see. him." Didn't she ask you that the day. that the day before he passed away? Yeah. I know this pepper spray was for. punishment. And what did she say? She said, "I didn't know anything about that." I. think she's one one to appeal like a bad. person. She doesn't want to be the bad. guy in that situation. She never wanted.

any of this. She wanted to be healthy. I. know that for a fact. I should have at. least put my foot down on something. But you [clears throat] Not that I'm. afraid of her. I I can't fear her cuz. she doesn't She's not the type to. instill fear. I don't know if that's. also what caused him to sometimes lie. about things as well. Was it he still. has this fear of dad and then he thought. she would be the same? She's not She's. nothing like him. Which I know she's. not. But she knows that you shouldn't be. using hot sauce as a punishment, right?

She knows better than that. The pressure. is already starting to cause Paul to. resort to cathartic statements for him. Notice how as soon as Pisk says she was. lying, he praises her and makes excuses. for her and then immediately puts his. dad down at saying that she's nothing. like him. He's scared and he's trying to. throw himself back into a world where he. feels safe and comfortable, but that's. not the world he lives in and Piske is. about to expose that once and for all. So when you first talked to us and you. talked to us about the police, you know, you said he was honest about that,

right? Yeah. But that's not the truth. No. Okay. Who was in that closet that's. right there by the bunk? Yeah. You You. told us that you heard him snoring and. that Was that a lie? Yeah. And you Did you come up with that. on your own or did somebody ask you to. say that you were in the bunk bed? Uh. I think both of us. I could have done that at any point in. time. You You You think that he wanted us to. do a best friend, right? That's what you. were talking to us about. I know she She wants what's best for all. of us. So.

Yeah. And that's our question. Did somebody ask you to say that you. were in the bunk bed? I came up with that on my own. Piske. notices him start to shut down under the. pressure, so eases off just a little, trying to reassure him again that he's. not in any trouble and that this isn't. his fault. Piske is almost there. He. just needs to get a little more. information out of him for the. confession and can't risk Paul shutting. down now. So tell me what really. happened in the morning then because. obviously. what was told to us wasn't the truth.

What really What really happened? I woke up and I had been dragging my. shoes. It basically all played out like. we said. The whole morning thing was. exact. He was He wasn't breathing in the. closet. It was the closet, though. We. had to get him out of the closet, too. Try and resuscitate. And you got him out. of the closet, too. See if he pulled out. of that. I don't know if he had a diaper. or what that stain. is. He had a shirt. I think we had put. him in pants or sweatpants. I don't. know, maybe sometime in the night he.

took them off. No, but you say "we." You weren't there. though when we did that, right? No. So. all of you know if we put him in. sweatpants. Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah. So do you know if he had pants on or not. when we No, he was asleep. But he didn't. have them when we got him out. He the. diaper on at least. So he had the diaper. on. You're assuming that he has a shirt. on? What shirt did he have on? The very. same sweatshirt that we found him in. Cuz obviously we didn't want him to get. cold. Or I don't think Mama wanted him. to get cold. Did he have pants on or no?

No. No. And when we get there he's going. to have pants on. Yes, she had me put. them on. She asked me to put pants on. him. Any of that before? I. Piescik is asking some very specific. questions about when Timothy was found. What Paul doesn't know is that the cops. have an audio recording from one of. their cameras from the exact moment they. found Timothy dead. Is he okay? Yeah. He's cold, man. Yeah, I know he's cold, but he's not. He's not sick at all. He's okay.

Come on, let's go. I don't understand. I know you're really torn and you're. really upset. I don't understand, buddy. Come on. Get your belt. Okay. You got it. Okay. Put it on the right. I don't want to make it look like it's. an accident. I know. I don't want to make it look like. Piescik knows for certain that both Paul. and Shonda have been lying this whole. time and tried to cover the death up. This is Piescik's chance to strike. He's. now multiple steps ahead and has Paul on.

the back foot. He's now going to start. tearing into Paul and his mother, ripping his world view to shreds and. exposing them for what they really are. At that time she decides that. she's going to lie to me and say that he. was in the wrong bed. I don't know what. she did. I. I don't know. He feels She just wants to seem like. she's. bad that she We never We weren't. neglecting him. What are you saying that. I mean if you were the talk writers with. all these things you're like She didn't. want to seem like this. She didn't want. to seem like this. She didn't want to.

seem like this. Did you know that it all. seems like that, right? Yes. How do you feel about lying during. this? Does that How does that make you. feel? I I just hate it. I I know she. doesn't want to be the bad guy. of him. She never wanted this. We We loved him. so much. I don't think this is about. love because I don't think it's about. that. I don't know what to do and not. knowing how to handle the situation. We. think For the good of the night, I. didn't do anything. Just look at how uncomfortable Paul is. now. He can't sit still. He's covering. his face and body as often as he can,

and he's almost always hunched over. He's really starting to panic now, and. Piske has barely even started ripping. into him. Do you need a lot of greed? Tell me what this means. Did he do the bunk better? How does that. happen? He couldn't have possibly made. it up. This is a true story. No, so what. happened? She told you that. She told. you what to say. Does it look bad to you. yet? It's not just that. We loved [music]. him. Can I ask you this but straight up? You keep saying you love him. Do you Do. you like this was love that he's dead on.

the floor and can't eat food? Does that. feel like love to you? No. He's dead. because he couldn't eat. No. And I don't. know anybody who thinks that's love. What I think's happening is your mom. convinced you that she's this perfect. person, and she's asking you to do all. these things that are literally killing. your brother. I know she's not perfect. How is love ice baths? How is love. handcuffing? And how is love restricting. movement? And how is love hot sauce in. the mouth and only eating bread? What if. you're What if you only got to eat.

bread? How would you feel? What if you. only got to eat bread with hot sauce? Would you eat? No. She's not perfect, but she's not a bad. person. Do you know how many people. starve to death? Tell me one that you. know. That's a child who has a lot of. problems, right? That's not a child. that's taking care of themselves. How is. that a loving person? How is that a. loving mother? You know what that sounds. like to me? And honestly, the worst mother that I've ever met in. my entire life. That's what it sounds. like to me. Well, maybe he's taking food. because he wants to live.

Have you ever thought about that? Yes. Maybe he's taking food so that he can. survive. Paul has fully collapsed in on. himself at this point. His worldview is. starting to break into pieces. The. person he looked up to, respected, and. loved is now being painted as a monster. that's going to prison for the rest of. her life. The worst part, he hasn't even. realized that he might be facing the. exact same consequences. She put you. right in the middle of this where it. looks like some of the stuff was your. idea. And it actually looks like in some.

of these things that you kind of enjoyed. it. Did you kind of enjoy punishing him. for doing wrong? Guys, do you feel like. you kind of enjoyed punishing him in the. past? No. Maybe not that he was in pain, but like you were you were in charge and. you got to tell him, "You can't do that. Go do this. This is your punishment.". Did you like some of that? No. How come you guys were laughing and. joking about it sometimes? With smiley. faces. There's no way that you can look. at yourself and think that's okay. Why. couldn't we eat a piece of chicken like. this, Scott? Why couldn't you eat that?

Why does it have to be bread with hot. sauce? I think that way more of it has. to do with my being evil. This is. actually the defense that Paul would use. in court, and the trial would turn out. to be even more interesting than the. interrogation. He would try to claim. that he wasn't the one in control at. all. He was just following his mother's. orders, doing what she was telling him. But unfortunately for him, there were. messages like these, along with much. more evidence yet to be discovered, that. made it hard to believe that this was. the truth. I don't want to live a life. where I regret.

that I hid something. I told you everything I know. How do you feel about living a life. where you hid that your brother wasn't. eating. from society? That you hid that your. brother was dying? How do you feel about. that? I hate myself, okay? I'm just. asking you if my stepmom made you guys. do anything up to it. Did she want him. to sleep in the tub? That's what I read. Did that happen? Did he sleep in the. tub? No. He didn't? No, he didn't. That bathtub and you guys. dragged him into that closet and waited.

for the morning to call the police? That's not what. No. You think that message is just a. little bit suspicious that she sent you. at just about midnight that says, "He's. He's in the closet. I had to drag him in. there." You don't think he was already. dying or dead at that point? Doesn't it. seem like maybe he was already dead? That she put him in there so that he. could wake up and not die in his sleep? Cuz she can't call the police when he's. in an ice bath and he freezes and he. dies. Whether this was true or not will. remain a mystery for a while. But. whatever the case, there was certainly a.

large attempted cover-up by both Shanda. and Paul to try and make it seem like. this was somehow, someway natural. causes. Timothy was treated like dirt. until the very end, and Detective Pisk. has had enough. Can you live with my. fault? But you How do you feel about. over and over and over again telling. your mother about how good she is? Do. you feel that that's the truth anymore? Cuz I'm quite disgusted by her. I'm. disgusted by her. He never wanted this. He was living How How smart is your mom? She's an intelligent lawyer, right?

Very cool. Right? Have you ever thought, "How come a woman that's this smart, this intelligent, graduated from law. school, how could she not know what's happening? [clears throat]. How could she think this is fake? How. does she not know she's How does she not. see that he's wasting away? And you. here, you're telling me that you got. some some knowledge that she just. graduated from law school, and it's very. obvious to you that he's. He's got malnutrition, right? It's very. obvious to you. But your mom has not.

seen that? And she's a She's a law. school graduate, and she's very smart. Do you see what I'm looking at here? She's a liar. What did she think was. going to happen? I don't know. I don't. know. Exactly what happened to what she. thought was going to happen. She never. wanted him dead. She loved him. That's. love to you? Everything that we talked about is love? I mean, you're joking, right? Even through the. shouts of an enraged Detective Pisk, Paul still defends his mother to the. very end, trying to come up with excuses.

for her and even take the blame. But, that would all come to an end on trial. In the meantime though, just 5 days. after his interrogation, Paul decided to. go live on Facebook to update his. friends and family on everything that. had happened. Given what we know now, the surviving video is probably one of. the most eerie pieces of footage we've. ever shown on this channel. Is it going? Everybody, uh I just figured I'd send a. quick check. We're doing good right now. We I.

just dozed off on the couch. unintentionally and I. For those of you who aren't aware, um. my little brother has passed away and. it's a lot to deal with, but we're we're. fine. But, just. keep supporting me. [music]. Listen, I don't know what I'm trying to.

say. right now.