Police Find Dead Mother In Daughter's Garage

Hey, you open that. fit in here. I mean, she's in there. Oh, she's in there. Police department. Police department. Hi. Hi. How's it going? Are you Patricia? No, I'm her daughter, Carol. This is 50-year-old Carol Ray. She lives.

with her mother, Patricia, and her. three-year-old daughter. Is Patricia here? No, she's not here right now. She's with. her sister. Okay. I'm just asking cuz someone was. worried. They didn't know where she was. at. My son, John, and him and her are having. a little bit of a tiff because owes her. quite a bit of money. He's been trying. to call her for 24 hours now. And I gave. her the message yesterday. This made sense to the cops. Carol's. mother, Patricia, didn't want to deal. with her [music] greedy grandson and. decided to move out and ignore him. Or. at least that's what Carol claimed.

because at this point, police are. completely unaware of the horrifying. secrets that lie just feet away from. them [music] inside the house. And over. the course of the next few days, this. simple missing person's report would. turn into hands down the most gruesome. and disturbing case that they had ever. worked on. And and then I get a text message from. Carol Carol's mom, but it doesn't read. like Carol's mom. My grandma just texted me, I guess. Okay. Send the cops to my house again.

My grandma's not at the house. It's clear that you're not telling us. the truth. Where is she at, Carol? Following the interaction with Carol the. previous night, Jon would call the. police again, slowly becoming more. concerned that something had happened to. Patricia. So, at 11:00 a.m. on January. 22nd, officers would arrive at Carol's. house for a second time with the intent.

to find a conclusive answer to John's. worries. Um, grandma's Patricia, mom is Carol. Hi. Hi. Are you Carol? Yes. Is Patricia here? No, she's not. She's getting her B12. shot or something like that with Dr. Positive. It's not written down anywhere in here. Uh, maybe onion break down. There's Dr.

T on the um old calendar. this little girl. This is my daughter Alison, her. granddaughter. Hi. Oh, okay. Does she live here with you? Yeah, we live together. Your grandma or your mom? Sorry. Yeah, she's been uh. she's been staying at her sister's house. for a couple of uh couple of days cuz we. just got diagnosed with pneumonia and. got home from the hospital. I had a. diverticulitis that ruptured. Okay. So, so she's back here though, staying here.

primarily now? Both still. I mean, all of her clothes. and everything are here. Um, she came by. yesterday and she was here last, not. last night, but night before last. And. she was here yesterday for until about. 5:00 p.m. and pick up her medications. Okay. And a fresh change of clothes and stuff. like that. Okay. Well, the reason we're here is. because your children are concerned. about your grandma. My son John. Yeah. He sent you guys over. last night, which I contacted my mother. about cuz she had a fit and I was going.

to go down to the Lville Police. Department today about it. Well, there's. a little bit of a financial money issue. between my mother and my oldest son, John. Okay. And he borrows a lot of money from her, doesn't repay it. He's got a truck in. the backyard. She bought him a car in. the garage that she bought him that she. took back because he didn't pay the. insurance on it. So, my mom is very. finicky [music] woman. She got me [ __ ]. about that and I'll call him when I. goddamn ready to call him. I got things. to take care of. Okay. Okay. Okay. My mom and she's 69.

this year. Based on Carol's story, Patricia is back. living at her house and is currently at. the doctor's office getting a monthly. shot. Everything lines up. Patricia. temporarily stopped communicating with. Jon due to a financial dispute. However, Jon, being a caring grandchild, got. worried something more sinister was at. play. [music]. It seems like it was just. miscommunication. However, officers. decide to get all of Patricia's. information and check her room just to. ensure nothing's off.

All right. Where's her room here? I know. It's right back here. Can we just look at it? Yeah. You want to see where her clothes. and everything? You want to show them? I'm sorry, baby. You want to show them. where Grandma Be's room is? Her room is. the last one on the right. Alison is the. first one on the left here. Yep. We. haven't let Natalie sleep in this. bedroom since Grandma Be spent the. night. so that she can have her stuff. on. All my mom's stuff. and all her clothes are in there. All my mom's stuff is right there. There's clothes that she just washed. Okay. All right. We're good.

We just We get the call, you know, and. then there's one side of the story and. then there's the other. So, if he's got. everyone worked up like he said, he. might call, someone else might call, and. you don't want us showing up here a. million times. So, we want to just see her in person. Hey, you're fine. That's all we need to do. Okay. Okay. All righty. All righty. Thank you. You're welcome. Have a good day. The officers have one simple task to. wrap this case up. Simply confirm. Patricia is okay with their own eyes. To. do this, Officer Pelt decides to call.

the doctor's office where Patricia is. apparently being treated. However, the. call doesn't go as planned. [music]. Hi, this is Casey from Cardiology. How. can I help you? Hi, this is Officer Pelt with the. Roseville Police Department. I'm just. calling because I believe you [snorts]. have a patient in your office by the. name of Patricia Bennett. and she has some family members that are. concerned about her and are trying to. just make sure she's there. Um, nope. Um, she's not here. Her.

actually they might have got the date. mixed up. Her appointment is um February. the 13th, but I'm going to go ahead and. ask a couple of my colleagues just to. make sure like did she come here? or. anything like that. I'm planning on. coming there. No. Um she's not supposed to be in. today. Nobody's um seen like she hasn't. come in yet or anything like that, but. we can watch out and contact you. Suddenly, things are starting to. misalign. Jon insists that he thinks.

Patricia is missing and now the only. person living with her is lying about. her current location. Something is. definitely not adding up. So officers. decide to speak to John again to further. investigate the strange situation. I just don't get why my grandma would. make a Facebook post saying she's at. home. You guys show up and she's not. there. [music]. And that was literally 2 minutes. As. soon as you pulled away, she texted my. dad there. There may be other circumstances that uh. we're not aware of or the family's not.

aware of. I hope I just have a pistol. So what your expectation is that this. woman here is who's your mother is. hiding your grandmother from you? Yeah. For what reason? For months. She's trying to take the. money from her that you think is. entitled to you. No, her grandma. I don't know. You know. your grandmother? What? Our grandma raised us. Raised you. Okay. Okay. So, generally, yes. I'm really. concerned. Our mom's been in and out of her life. where. she's at, right? Okay. Our mom was never in her life. and I just don't want my grandma to be. passed away and she's collecting or. hopefully she's just hiding her cuz.

she's sick. and my grandma always wants us. No, I'd. rather have a pissed off grandma than a. missing or a dead. Well, if she's dead, then I mean, if she's got a body hiding. somewhere or has done away with her, I. mean, and then trying to collect social. security or whatever she receives. I. mean, that takes some effort. My grandma has fraudulent uh has on her. police reports on. when was that? Couple years ago. A couple years ago. Okay. And what. happened to those charges? I think my grandma decided to not pursue.

them. Okay. Holy. I had [snorts] like. lock her up cuz that's your daughter. But. I'm not trying to get her in trouble, but why would you keep lying and lying. and lying? But so that's why I'm. thinking that nothing's adding up. My grandma just texted me again. Okay. Sending the cops to my house again. My grandma's not at the house. John's claims are frankly terrifying. Not only does he suspect his mother of. stealing from Patricia and using her. money, but he thinks she may have even.

murdered her. Accusing your own mother. of committing such a terrible act is. something officers need to take. seriously. [music] However, there's no. evidence to suggest that Carol had even. harmed Patricia, let alone killed her. So, these claims feel drastic, unfounded, and premature. Officer. Jerobic seems to have felt these claims. were over the top as well. So, he would. lead Jon to the station to file a. missing person's report. Additionally, he wants to learn about Jon's history. with Carol and why he thinks she may.

have killed Patricia. Alongside Jon. would be Carol's ex-husband, TJ, who. claimed to have important information. that could help solve the case. We're just going to record you and I. All right. All right. So, when did you physically. last see your grandmother eye to eye? Probably after Halloween, beginning of. November before I went to North. Carolina. I came back from North. Carolina Thanksgiving. So, didn't see. her. went there on Christmas, didn't see. her, and I've been calling her and. asking her to call me. I need to hear. your voice or have my mom have you call.

me. I need to hear your voice or I'm. going to do well for a check. I. threatened that a couple weeks ago. All right. Yesterday I just cracked and. finally called it in. And now you haven't had any voice. contact with her since Thanksgiving. Texting me off her phone or off her. Facebook, but I know it's not her just. because the words they use. It's not how. my grandma talks. When was the last time you saw Carol? I thought I saw Carol period. Not Carol. Um, Patricia. Oh, okay. I'm like I'm like every time I. drop my daughter. [laughter]. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're like Patricia. contact with Patricia. Yes. Yeah. It was around Halloween time. I.

did receive one text message the other. day stating that she was um sorry for. holding up Carol. Carol and my daughter. were supposed to hang out because it was. my birthday this weekend. Getting around. 6:00. I saw I text. I'm like, "What the. [ __ ] going on?" You know, it's my. birthday. We're supposed to be. celebrating it and blah blah. You, Carol, and Allison are supposed to be. celebrating on Sunday, your birthday, right? And then, um, I get a text. message from Carol, Carol's mom, but it. doesn't read like Carol's mom, but it. says, "So, I am holding her up, signing.

over the cars and giving her title to. house and insurance stuff." So, she cab. get that stuff fined Monday. [music] It. gets kind of when Carol types, a lot of. times it comes up kind of uh misspelled. It's cuz she glasses and stuff like. that. The only contact that you've had. with her was from a random message and. she said that she was with my aunt. So I. did some research. I went there today. and spoke with my anchor. She hasn't. spoken with my grandma since 2015.

Remember how Carol said that Patricia. moved over to live at her sister's. house. Is Patricia here? No, she's not here right now. She's with. her sister. John visited that house and. Patricia's sister claimed that she. hasn't seen Patricia in over 5 years. And she was messaging me today while we. were there with the cops saying that she. was home and messaging my dad that she. was home. What we know she wasn't there. cuz the cops were there. My dad. screenshotted them all and sent me those. messages. Okay. Can you email those to me? Um, one thing I do know and I mean in.

this type of situation I would hope it's. more true than it is the other is um. I've been I mean I've known like said. I've known Carol since I've been 20. I. mean like bold face like you can show. her like here's a picture of you and I. have here's a picture of you doing this. and da it's not me. [laughter]. I mean so so she's always been a a. chronic chronic liar especially when. she's off her meds. Um she cuz she does. take um lots of medicines longer than I. think when we were together. I mean, you. you I'm sure you can get her list of.

medicines that she was taking, but I. guess she she lost she lost her um. therapist, so she has not had medicine. for the last couple months. [snorts] And. when that happens, things get kind of. wonky with her. Many other conversations. and then calling the house phone, social. media off of messenger, calling her that. way, texting her, nothing. And then on. 12th of January, my mom texts me off her. phone saying, "Grandma be sleeping,

getting overnea here." I was like, "Have. her call me. I need to hear her voice. She never does this. She always calls. me." And there's no response. These interviews help clarify why John. would go as far as saying Carol had. killed Patricia. She's been lying to. them for months. Nobody's been able to. see or speak to Patricia, and she. happens to have a decent surplus of cash. that the family has been pulling from. And remember, on top of all of that, Carol lied to police about Patricia's. whereabouts at the doctor's office. The. evidence makes it abundantly clear that.

Carol's not telling the truth and trying. to hide something, and it's likely. something horrifying. So, police try and. visit her house a third and final time, but this time, they aren't leaving. without answers. Hello. Hello. Hi again. Hi. Is she here now? No, she's up at the Weber Cancer. Institute getting her B12 shot. I'm sorry. I don't mean to be creepy. with you, but. where is she at? We're just getting conflicting with. information. The doctor's office that you told us she. went to, she's not there. Woods cardiovascular is where she goes.

Dr. Tazu is who treats her lucasic white. blood cell cancer. Not the white blood cell. You said she was at Woods Cardiovascular. because she has a lot of. What's your What's your daughter's name? That's Alison. Alison. Alison. Alison. You're just getting conflicting. information from. That's a nice balloon. Thank you. I can't. cardiovascular is where she's been. treated. Mhm.

Yeah. Is where she's been treated for a long. time with Dr. How did she get there? How did she get there? Her sister drives her or I drive her. You didn't drive her today. So today. and sometimes her name across the. street. How did she get there today though? I believe her sister. Her sister? The sister that lives in Warren? Yes. Okay. But you don't have your sister's. number. I don't talk with my aunt or my uncle. Well, last night's okay. She stayed over there when the officer. came here. She did not speak directly to.

her. No, she spoke to me. Okay. Because she was at my aunt. She. was here. Yes. Right before last. Is that your phone? She was here. Yes. That's the one I just. gave you. Listen, we just want to know. where this lady is. I understand, but you guys are upsetting. my daughter and you're upsetting me. She doesn't look upset. Um. cuz you only hear what she says when she. leaves. I just went through a really bad. domestic violence divorce situation and. CPS up my butt for the past two. We're not here, but that's not what. we're here for. We're here to find out. if your mom's okay. We got a bunch of.

people who are concerned about her and. no one seems to know where she my son's. father. My son and his brother, which. he's got his brother on high alert now, which his brother's wife was just here. yesterday morning while my mom is laying. on the couch to pick up $200 to do her. tabs for the car for my son's car. Not going to. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I can show you a picture of my mom. She's sending messages telling everyone. she's here.

She's [snorts] currently here. No, she's. coming back here because she just. called. She just called. Why don't you call her. right now while we're here? Yeah. And she's on her way. Then shortly we'll. be able to resolve this. Can I turn this back on to her? Yeah. You can see that I'm actually. Oh, you want to put on speaker phone? Will she answer you? I don't know. She went up there to get. her B12 shot. Notice the drastic change. in Carol's demeanor when she was.

directly asked to call Patricia. She's. no longer deflecting, but rather. soft-spoken and deliberate with her. choice of words. Pay attention to. Carol's body language as she's asked. more of these direct questions. I know she's supposed to be calling John. because John's the one that started this. 3, four nights ago threatening to call. if she didn't talk to him. Yeah. if she. didn't talk to him by noon the next day. I had her call before she went to Sam's.

Club. It was like 11:45, 11:50. Is it possible then that she could just. speak to John? Directly? Yeah. Well, then why hasn't she. like face to face so that they're at. ease? Well, she's at ease, right? We're sending messages to you. You. want to call her again? We were just concerned. I'm sorry. She was talking. You were. talking. The phone was ringing. What did. you say? Why can't your mother directly. speak to John? Not through a message,

not through text. She can't. I don't have nothing to do. with her and John, though. Well, that's why we're here. I'm getting stuck in the middle of it. And so are we. So are we. And we have to figure We have. to see her. You want to just try to call. her again? What's the doctor's office she's at? What's No, the Weber Cancer Center is. behind Mcome Hospital. Coincidentally, Officer Pelt would call this doctor's. office, and yet again, Patricia was. nowhere to be found. Officer Pelt knew.

something was off and decided to call in. Detective Jerobex to question Carol. officially and confront her about her. growing list of lies. Doesn't look. if this does go downhill when she starts. making any admissions, let's stop, get. her to the station. We'll do a search. warrant, whatever we have to do from the. house. But if she starts, you want to do a consent search first? So we can gather and hit the house first. to shift consent. Yeah, let's see. Let's start out with. that. She's already let me go through the.

house. Did you go through the garage? I have not been through the. cars and check the cars. No, I just went through the house. It's. going to go south quickly. So. she's at She's at her breaking. This is Detective Gary Licks. Excuse me. Hi. So, we're going to I mean, if you. don't mind, we'll get consent from you. to search the house to see if there's. anything that would lead us to think of. who she may have went with to help you. out and figure out where she went.

She didn't she didn't tell you. otherwise, right? You're under the. impression she was supposed to be with. her sister. Yes. That's what she told you. Yeah. [music]. Who who lives in the house? I do. My mom and this little girl are. older. Has she done this in the past? My mom doesn't tell anybody where she. what she done. And your but your her son. seemed pretty concerned that she was. injured. Yeah. Yeah. But she tells you that she's [music]. with your sister. Her sister. That's got me. That's concerning. Correct. That's got me worried. Not worried, but.

aggravated. Not answering her phone calls. The. people that she says she's with, she's. not. Mhm. That's got meated. because. I won't feel right if I leave this house. without looking for anything that can. point us in the right direction. I want. to do my job properly and make sure that. and I guarantee [music] when she walks. back in this door and she finds out that. I searched for her through her stuff to. help try to find her. She's probably. going to be okay with it because that's. what most people would be okay with. Correct. I'll open up her bedroom door so you can. see her stuff or whatever. I'll unlock.

the car for you so you can look at it. and whatever or whatever you want to do. I don't want to sign anything and get in. trouble. Okay. All of her games. Okay. When your mom left, did she take. like a toothbrush, a bag of clothes, like she was spending the night. anywhere? No, she's a personal thing. Oh, yeah. Does she normally sleep over. people's house without um. Well, she does. She did this time. She. has in the past puzzles. She does have obviously medical issues.

Oh, yeah. She's had medical issues for a. while. What I'm saying is that that's also when. we're looking at somebody being missing, it's concerning because anything can. happen when she's had COPD. She's got. she's had a stroke already. You. understand she. she's. out there. You seem very concerned. I'm trying I'm. more concerned for your mom than you. are. I am concerned. [music]. I just I've talked to her and seen her. in the past 24 48 hours and [music].

but now. I'm frazzled because she's lied to me. about talking to my and I don't know why. she would do that. So I mean we're concerned cuz your mom. your mom left but she didn't even pack a. bag to go you know. for an overnight she normally won't even. when she came out to my trailer that I. was remodeling up on. So for like an. overnight, you don't pack like a just a. toothbrush, a change of clothes, underwear. Have any teeth? Obviously, something's going on here. We're fairly certain that something's.

going on. We need to start fresh and we. need to tell you, we need you to tell us. exactly what happened. Your story is not adding up. Your story doesn't end up through it. very quickly. You're extremely nervous. Well, yeah. I had the police here last. night and today again, Carol, obviously something probably. happened to your mother, right? You know, something that you're not. telling us. That's that's apparent to. us. We're we're trained investigators.

We we know when something's not right. and something isn't right. You have many. people outside of you that are concerned. about your mother's whereabouts. Where. is she at, Carol? I don't know because she honestly said. what she told her when she left here. The detectives haven't cracked Carol. yet, but they're extremely close. If. they can get verbal consent to search. the property, they may be able to find. clues to further solve the case or get. Carol to reveal more information.

All right, listen to me. Few things. You're lying a lot. Okay, I'm I'm now at. a point where I don't believe anything. you're saying. Okay, I've now confirmed. another part of your story that's wrong. So, you need to come clean now. Let me. know where your mother's at. If she's in. this house or in your garage that she. passed away from natural causes or. whatever it is and you didn't want to do. anything cuz maybe you needed some extra. money for social security or whatever it. is, we can get through it. But right.

now, what you're doing is you're hiding. somebody who's possibly dead. Okay. Absolutely not. Carol, she hasn't been in this house in. 2 months, 3 months. Yes, she has. She's got dirty clothes in. the laundry room. She's got clean. clothes hanging right there. What does that have to do with anything? That that's that's neither here nor. there. I don't I mean. what what's going on? What What's going. on in your life? Her hair. Yeah, that's odd because she left for. the night. Wouldn't she want to brush. her hair in the morning?

Carol was caught lying through her teeth. multiple times. However, despite all of. that, detectives couldn't get the. consent to search her property. This. leaves them in a tough situation. It's. clear Carol is lying and hiding. Patricia's whereabouts. But with no. solid evidence, they can't be certain of. Carol's involvement in the. disappearance. But luckily, the police. had a trick in mind involving Carol's. current boyfriend, Ricky. Since Ricky. has been living in the house with Carol, he has the authority to give consent to.

areas of mutual access. In this. situation, that allows officers to. search the majority of the property. despite Carol's objection to the search. As long as Ricky doesn't have any. involvement in Patricia's disappearance, he would have no reason to object to a. search of the property. Hey, how you doing, sir? Yourself? Not too bad. Are you Ricky? Yeah. Okay. Step back here. Some of these. detectives want to talk with you. Detectives? Yeah. What's going on? Oh, they'll they'll talk with you. Um,

when was the last time you saw Patricia? Like physically saw her in person? physically saw her. It's probably been. about a month. Would you mind coming to the station. with us so we can just sit there and. talk? It's just about. Well, we're trying to find We want to. find Patricia, but we're getting. She's not over at Citrus House. No. How long? You know what I mean? She's. lied on me. And. who's lied on you?

Like Carol. Carol. Cheated on me. Yeah, cuz she's the one. that told me that she was at her. sister's house. Thankfully, it seems as though Ricky has. no idea of the crimes. More importantly, he would agree to a search of the. property, granting them access to most. of the home. If they discover anything. serious, they'll need a search warrant. to investigate it further, but a cursory. look around the property is now fully. legal. They begin by searching her. backyard and cars.

Someone's got to search the inside. Who's with her? Help. Huh? Oh, huh. What's your matter?

After coming up empty in the backyard, they check the last remaining spot, Carol's garage. Playboyfriend's here. Just want to look up here real quick. [snorts]. Hey, you open that.

should fit in here. I mean bloody. All right. Bloody towels. There's in here. It's all. It's. She's in there. She's in the house. Oh, she's in there. In there. Open. Let me see. Hold on. I don't know. Hold on. Hold on. I don't know. Ah, I'm not just. what? No. Oh, he's looking. He's looking at. No, nothing. I think we I opened up that.

grave bin and it's full of bloody towels. and it stinks like a dead body. Are you kidding me? Swear to God. [clears throat]. You got to get the search warrant up. Huh? For what? If if it's in there, Bodaker. wants us. for what? If there's searching for the body. pillow in here.

Yeah, there's a body. Yep. Where you see the legs from the park? Okay. I'll go get this thing up. Somebody said he was back here, so he. needs to. That's a boyfriend. He just showed up. We've been looking for. Hi, Lieutenant. Um, I just opened up a big plastic. storage bin and uh smelled really bad.

It was full of blood and towels and you. can see a body in there. So, it's kind. of where we're at. All right, we hook her, bring her in. What about. everybody was saying people, the. brothers, we need to find out what they. were telling officers cuz they were. saying he was like in the back back. there yesterday. It was coming and going. Somebody seen. there was still moisture on the top of. that. I opened it and there's still. moisture on the top. So that's not been. in there long. And they were somebody we got to talk to. over there. They said, "Hey, you know,

the door was open yesterday and he was. coming and going and then all of a. sudden his car was gone." This dude, whose boyfriend is it? This is the. mom. I say we're bringing. Not only had they found Patricia's. deceased body in the storage bin, but. the body still wasn't dry, meaning the. murder couldn't have been more than 2. months ago, as John originally. suspected. This terrifying scene. couldn't have made the truth more clear. Carol Ray had killed her mother and had.

been covering it up for weeks. However, she may not have been the only one. involved in this. Ricky had been staying. at the house for months now, and the. cops believe he had to have known about. the murder if he'd been living beside it. the entire time. With this in mind, police placed Carol under arrest. immediately and detain Ricky, too. Carol, go ahead and stand up for me. Put your hands behind your back. Okay. I think you know where we're going, but. I suggest you think about what you need.

to tell us. Okay. I might have uh my pop knife on me over. there. Following Carol and Ricky's arrest, both. would sit in a jail cell while they. waited for detectives to arrive at the. station. Multiple hours later, they. would bring Carol in for her first. interrogation. [music]. Obviously, Carol, we're here to talk to. you about what's going on here. The. further we let this keep rolling, the further it's going to get without.

you being able to, you know, shed some. light on this. Okay. The goal for this interrogation is not. to get Carol to confess because she. obviously did it, but to determine a. motive and figure out if Ricky was also. involved. You might say something and it comes out. wrong for something like this one cuz. it's like an accident. I'm just throwing yourself explaining. explain process. You explain the truth and it will come.

out as the truth. I don't believe so. I'm I'm not I can't give you advice. But. if you want to tell your story, you can. tell it how it is. I don't have to ask. you any questions. If you want to get it. out, you can do that. [music] At the. same time, once I tell you rights, if. you don't want to talk, you don't have. to talk. [music]. That night we were sleeping between 1:00. a.m. and 4:00 a.m. in the morning and I. heard loud banging. My daughter and I. were sleeping and I was in the back and.

my mom was sleeping on the couch. Anyways, there was a big crash. and it sounded like someone was breaking. through the glass window or breaking. down the door in the living room and. like I remember running down the hallway. and had my train finger on the trigger. like an idiot. I was not running but. walking back down the hallway. and I did with my right foot to the. short and my feelings and it went off.

doing anything when I shove her shoulder. and then I heard gurgling and I screamed. mom and pulled her on the floor and I. noticed. coming out of her mouth but I thought. somebody had broken the or was told that. there was a huge loud crash. If a suspect is highly emotional when. recalling an event, they will often have. trouble remembering certain details in. that moment. You'll often notice the.

suspect unable to form full sentences. and stuttering in their speech. But. Carol shows none of this. While crying, she manages to form a detailed timeline. of how she killed Patricia. This implies. that her story of events may be. inaccurate. and the murder wasn't a. mistake like she claims. Now that. they've heard it, however, the. detectives would be able to search for. evidence that explicitly countered this. story. And that didn't take them long at. all. The very next day, they brought. Carol back out of her cell and into the. interrogation room again. Throughout.

this interview, see if you can spot the. information that the detectives found. specifically for this conversation and. watch how they use it to break her story. apart. Going off of what you said. yesterday, I know you said you're. walking down the hallway rather quickly. You heard a noise and the gun the RER. you're walking the owls right there. You. tripped. you. The gun you had your finger on the. trigger and the gun went off. Correct. Okay. You saw your mom bleeding and then.

weird. Oh, I think [music] I think you said you. start coming out of her mouth or. something. And it freaked me out and I dropped off. [laughter]. her name. [clears throat]. The cops are clearly trying to come. across as understanding and. compassionate to Carol. But if their.

main goal was to make her feel. comfortable, they wouldn't have sat her. in the corner of the room and positioned. themselves between her and the door. They want to eventually make her feel so. cornered and pressured that she lets go. of the truth. So for now, this nice guy. demeanor is a complete act for the. detective to build rapport as he tries. to get her to talk as much as possible. So after that happened, obviously you. found your mom. in a container in the garage.

Now obviously my concern is kind of. understand how she got there, but you. got to explain to me because to me it. seems you're back and everything that. you could [music] do this by yourself. So can you walk me through? I understand. obviously panic [clears throat]. everything sucks in you're freaking out. and it's your mother you love, right? And so. he was waking up. Okay. Can you kind of. walk me through the minutes after all. that happened? Let me ask you this. Was. Ricky there that night?

I don't you don't have to give them if. you want to. Okay. Remember, an important part of this. interrogation was to figure [music] out. if Carol's boyfriend Ricky was also. involved to any extent. At the moment, Carol is claiming that he wasn't on the. scene at all, as they'd recently had a. number of arguments. The cops would have. a chance to interview him later on, but. for now, [music] there's one question. regarding him that they just can't seem. to get their heads around.

Okay, so Alison was leaving interview. wasn't there. [clears throat]. Was there a baby waking up? What What happened? Did you leave your. mom on the couch? Did you. move her somewhere else? between. understand that very hard to escape.

obviously. we're operating under panic right I mean. I I can picture myself in a situation. panic you got your daughter there where. did you move when where did you move her. from the house to where first. we found her in the garage. Was she. moved anywhere before the garage? Directly in the garage. Okay. So, this. is where I I this is where I'm concerned. with Ricky. Your mom and I I I know this. is a hard detail to get through, but.

picking up your mom. There's no way. you're picking up. How did you do that. by yourself? St. Ricky's birthday. come over. Are you afraid to tell us? Are you. afraid of Ricky? You don't have to be afraid of us. Be. afraid. I promise. You're scared of. anything. Carol remained completely silent for. almost 30 seconds after she was asked. this question. The cops are right to.

assume that she's scared, but it might. not be for the reasons they think. She. could be scared of Ricky and the. consequences of implicating him in the. crime, but she could also be terrified. of the situation she's in. She's going. to jail for a very long time. There's no. escaping that anymore. And that's a. scary reality for her. Whatever the. reason is, though, the cops are still. doing their best to give her a moral. excuse or justification for what she did. so she'll talk a little more. She. panicked, and anyone would have done the. same. the best thing she can do to make.

things right is to tell them exactly. what happened. I mean, you know, people panic and. people make mistakes. Yeah. I mean, you know, you know what. happens most often? Um, you know, when. you flee from an accident, you know, it. happens all the time when when people. panic, right? Say someone gets in a car. accident, they they smash into a car and. they take off and that person ends up. dying. They hear them on the news and. then the the lines keep going and. they're like, "Shit, I should have.

stayed but I didn't." Right? That's the. mistake that you made. I should have but. I think I don't want to keep revisiting. but I have to. How did you get the toe. out of all that stuff? Is it possible. somebody else could have wounded it. before? The cops are really focusing on Carol's. inability to physically move Patricia to. the garage as to them it was a clear. sign that somebody else had to be. involved. But at this point, they're not. getting anywhere. Unfortunately, this. isn't conclusive enough evidence to. implicate anyone else, and it's not.

getting Carol to talk. But that's okay. because the detectives have one piece of. evidence that they've been saving for. this very moment. That could prove. without a doubt that everything Carol. said so far has been a total lie. The other thing I want to bring up is. they obviously did an autopsy. Um, they found some puncture wounds in her. neck. Three puncture wounds. Not an old. scar, but actual fresh puncture wound.

her neck. How did those get. at all? Stab with anything after the fact? Not saying you were killing her, but. like, you know what I'm saying? I'm saying. I don't know maybe grow from she was. suffering or anything like that.

Cuz here's what I don't want to get. caught up once they tell us exactly how. deep they were if it was a cause of. death or contributed cause of death. We. can be really. we have to get everything out here now. to try to do something with those bones. that don't cause those wounds or. anything like that. So I want you to think right now what. could have possibly caused those. puncture. I don't know if she had tucked in or. anything like that.

preliminary. like. a puncture at the end of a night. [clears throat]. A gun accidentally going off and killing. someone. Unlikely, but believable. But. two fresh, deep knife wounds that Carol. hasn't mentioned a single time. It's. going to be extremely hard to explain. this one away. Not only does this imply. the murder was completely intentional,

but the fact that Carol hasn't mentioned. it means that she knew that was the case. and wanted to try to cover that part up. And again, I want to put words in your. mouth. Don't want you to implicate. anybody that's not implicated. That'll. get you in more trouble. That'll get you. in more trouble. But as we sit and. investigate and continue to investigate. in the days and weeks, months to come, more things are going to come up. I'm. pretty certain you know that know. eventually what happened.

That's my knowledge. Did know your mom even. [music]. Did he say anything to you that would. lead you to believe that he knew? Did. you actually not have a mistake? Did you actually mean to kill your. mother? No, I do not mean to kill my. Well, I'm not saying that. That's all. I'm saying. I'm saying, do you. understand where [music] when these. things can't be answered? That's kind of. odd.

Can Can I ask you this with with going. [music] back to punctual wounds? Could. you freaked out after you shot her and. she was still breathing and you wanted. to make sure that at this point it's no. good for her to be like this? Absolutely not. I wouldn't know. Absolutely not. Did you maybe you kind of see like it. sounds terrible, but like is she alive? Is she. told her some [ __ ] that I know? Okay, at this point, the interrogation has. been going on for over an hour, and. Carol clearly doesn't intend to deviate.

from her story, despite all the new. evidence. The detectives are still no. closer to obtaining a confession or any. information about Ricky from her. So, they figure they've got no choice but to. speak to the man himself. So, later that. day, they bring Ricky in for an. interview of his own and attempt to get. the truth out of him, whatever it may. be. Do. you have any idea what's going on? No, I don't. Yeah. No. Somebody at the house said something. about Patty is not at her sister's house.

where Carol was telling me that she was. at. When was the last time you physically. seen Patty? You guys call her Patricia? Yeah. Patty. Patricia. Call her Patty. Um, I physically seen her about I think it. was like a month and a half ago. It was. before Thanksgiving. How often do you. stay at the house? Every day. I've been there except for uh. if it was late at night before home, my. mom's house.

So, you've been staying there every day? Yeah. Already Ricky is being much more open. and giving much better answers to all of. the detectives questions. He also seems. exceedingly calm and as though he's just. trying to help the officers out. Right. now, he definitely isn't coming across. as a murder accomplice or blackmailer, but there's still plenty of time for the. cops to catch him out. What about Carol that does she work? Does she have a job? She don't go. anywhere. What does she do with most of. her days? You know, her days um keeping Alison.

busy, cleaning the house, doing what she. can. some major surgeries. Any financial issues with you or Carol. or Patty or anything? Nothing. Carol took care of the bills. You know where she has the money to if. she's not working. Oh, then she said she had a joint bank. of her mouth. Carol been acting strange or suspicious. to you or different. She's bipolar, so it's I always said.

that she was world's greatest actress. because I can't tell when she's being. here or not. That's a condition of. bipolar. very compulsive liars and I've. been caught in a lot of her webs before. I've been telling her she's been feeling. more distant. Ricky, I mean, I don't. really necessarily know you obviously, but you seem pretty nervous to me. What's What's going on? Is there. something you're nervous about? I'm nervous about anything. Where did you sleep when you were there?

Mostly in the bedroom with Carol. Carol's bedroom. Where did um. sometimes. where did Alice sleep? Um mostly in her bedroom. Let me ask you about the garage. You. ever go in the garage? Yeah. Ever? Ever? When's the last time you think you were. in the garage or on the crus? I think we went to go look for a. screwdriver. Jeez. I don't know. I think it was early.

December. It's been a couple of weeks. Did she have you go in the court or did. you go? No, I was just going to wait. Compared to Carol's interrogation, this. one seems extremely laid-back and. relaxed. It feels as though there's a. big chance Ricky genuinely just doesn't. know what's going on. However, the cops. do pick up on the fact that he's a. little nervous. He's finding it hard to. look the detectives in the eyes, and he. seems a little softspoken. So to clear. things up fully, they decide to put the.

pressure on big time to see if he. breaks. Ricky, we got a problem. We got a real. big problem. I think you know what it. is, and I think you need to be honest. and upfront with us. So, we're going to. give you the opportunity now. Tell us. what really happened. That's what happened. What happened? What I told you. I'm not I'm not talking about the little. details we've been asking. I'm talking. about with Patty. Patty? I don't know. She's been at her. sister's house as far as I know.

We know Patty's deceased and Patty's got. a gunshot wound to her and she was found. in a tote in that garage. So, you have to tell us everything you. know so you don't implicate yourself. anymore. Yes, sir. Cuz here's the thing, Ricky. There's. things there's investigative tools we. have. We're going to find out exactly. when she died, where you were when she. died, which I'm betting you were in that. house, and you know exactly what. happened. Nobody.

had a problem with that. I'm not saying you had a problem with. her. I'm not saying that at all. I'm. saying you know something. I don't I don't know anything. I swear. you don't know this woman. This woman, Frell, she has [ __ ] with my head. She. has seized it on me behind my back. without me knowing about it. The only. way I found out about it was tripping. over stuff finding it on accident. Her.

showing me something on her phone. Then. all of a sudden, I love you too baby. pops up on her phone. Why are you with her? We went to counseling this year. Tried. to make things work because I love her. I love it. And in a sense, you find, oh, I really do. This is not the reaction a guilty person. would give in this position. He's never. defensive and he never gets annoyed. He. just tries to explain things exactly as. they are. He's not upset that he's been. caught. It feels like he's upset that.

he'd ever be accused of this. He also. gave a few pieces of information that. could be backed up by the detectives, such as the fact that Carol had been. cheating on him and that they'd been in. therapy. In just 5 minutes, detectives. went from assuming him to be the main. accomplice to completely discounting him. as a suspect. Carol, however, completely. stayed in the spotlight, and it was. eventually assumed that she acted alone. and with intent in Patricia's murder. It. was determined that Carol killed. Patricia all the way back in November.

and hid her body for roughly 2 months. before Jon had caught on to her act. Although Carol never verbally confessed. to the crimes, she was charged with. first-degree murder, felony use of a. firearm, and lararseny of $20,000 or. more. She faces life in prison. Ricky. was let go with no charges.