College Killer Thinks He Can Get Away With It

So, if you know something, you'll be. able to go home today. You aren't going anywhere. What you did. last night is [ __ ] up. You killed somebody. Just hours prior to this interrogation, 20-year-old Isaac Pence brutally stabbed. someone to death and [music] fled the. scene. Over 20 college students watched. as Isaac viciously took the life of. their friend, Charles Starner. Unfortunately for them, they were in the.

middle of the woods staying in a. vacation cabin in Ohio. Help was far. away and Isaac was on the run. Over the. course of the next few days, this group. of [music] college kids would work with. police to hunt down this evil killer. together and bring justice to their. friend who was senselessly killed. But. Isaac thinks he's getting away with it. That smells like [ __ ]. And you think that's funny? Everyone got way too drunk, about 15 of. them. All went to the cabin outside and.

tried to jump in. Yeah, I woke up and my mom's like, "Hey, cops are here for you." I was like, "What the [ __ ] do you mean cops are here. for me?". On the night of April 22nd, 2023, 23-year-old Dalton Flag was celebrating. his birthday [music] with friends and. family at a rented cabin in Hocking. County, Ohio. But what should have been. the perfect night would quickly turn out.

to be a tragedy. This is the CCTV footage outside the. house. After a long night of drinking, an altercation ensues between a group of. teens. Isaac stood in the midst of the. argument with his girlfriend, Sabra, watching from afar. After a few seconds. of back and forth, Isaac snaps, throwing. a punch into the crowd. This made them. push Isaac back into a car where he. would strike the crowd again before. setting off towards his own vehicle. However, moments later the fist [music].

fight quickly turned into a gruesome. scene. Outside of the camera's view, Isaac ran. back to his car to grab something. But. before he could exit his car again, he. was quickly cornered by multiple people. trying to force him to leave. That's. when Isaac pulled out his knife and. attacked. Charles Starner, the college student. pushing on Isaac's car door, went on to. receive six brutal stab wounds struck in. the neck and the back. Panic set in as.

everyone realized the horrifying scene. unfolding in front of them. One of. Charles's friends quickly grabbed him. [music] and pulled him away from the. vicious attack. Isaac would then quickly. get inside his car and drive off into. the woods with his girlfriend Sabra. The. killer Isaac was now on the loose and. would spend the following hours. attempting to cover his tracks. Charlie. on the other hand, the student he just. stabbed, limped over to his friends. fading in and out consciousness. Charlie's friend Hannah was an EMS.

student, but the injuries were too. brutal for her to keep him alive. By the. time paramedics arrived on scene, it was. already too late and Charlie would pass. away. Officers at this point have no idea what. led to Charlie's death. Anyone at the. crime scene could be a potential killer, so they immediately rally everyone. together looking for outliers. All right, you want to slide him over so. we can I can move my car. This is Detective Sumner right there. She's going to start asking you. questions. Nice to meet you. Top of the morning to you.

Yeah, great night. Who saw what happened? I saw everything that happened. I don't know. you come stand over here? You saw what happened too? Stay. separate, but stand over here. Anyone else? The two people who just stepped forward. are Hannah and James, and they are the. only two who are entirely drenched in. blood. Do you have a phone? Um, I believe it's. Okay. right here on the side of the forearm. Just stand where you're at.

So, I think all of that's. Any blood on your pants, your shoes? Bro. We're probably going to take your. hoodie. James's blood stains appear to be those. of a witness, since they were smooth and. smeared. If he was the one who stabbed. Charlie, the blood patterns would likely. be sharp and scattered across the body. As for Hannah, all of her arms were. covered in blood, indicating that she. was likely trying to stop Charlie from. bleeding out by applying pressure.

Regardless, it's clear the two were. eyewitnesses to Charlie's murder, so. Detective Summers and her counterpart. would immediately conduct an interview. with both James and Hannah to get a. clear recollection of events. All right. That's the body cam sitting out there in. the back. Yes. All right. Tell me what you saw, what. happened, what led up to all these. events. So, I had been inside the house. Once.

you go in, once you go in, and you go to. the right, there's like the whole. kitchen, family room, blah blah blah. blah blah. Well, uh there's this one kid at the. whole party that. cuz he knew I had background in EMS, was. calling me firefighter, firefighter, firefighter. And so, I showed him some pictures from. like different like fires I'd been on. And then, somebody got mad at him for. talking to me,

which wasn't even any guy that I really. knew. Well, so they started fist. fighting inside, like right in the. doorway, once you go into the right. And. the kid that's covered in blood, Jimmy, Jimmy and I were kind of standing off to. the side. And I told him, I was like, "I. don't like this." Cuz like I mean. everybody's trying to tear it up and. stuff. Like they were still wrestling. They got out into this main four door. right here in front of the door, but I. was still sitting like at the kitchen. table. So, I could kind of hear what was. going on.

But once again, I don't want to get. involved. And then I heard where I heard. somebody say gun. And that's when I was. like, "I'm definitely going to stay in. here.". They're out here fighting like. right in front of my truck, the Toyota. 4Runner. And uh Jimmy, the kid that's covered in. blood, was trying to separate them. And I think what happened is he pulled. over to his center center console, pulled a knife out. And when he did, he went straight for. the neck. That's how he got the neck. wound. For his back.

For his back again. And he got him again in the back. I want. to say it was like five stab wounds, four or five stab wounds. But I mean, he. did. Like I mean, it was very fast, very. vigorously. The moves Hannah describes are not. supposed to be used [music] to protect. yourself from the attacker, but to kill. them. One poke or a stab might be enough. to deter the attacker, but four or five. of them to vital parts of the victim's. body is a clear indication that Isaac. intended to kill.

So, kind of [music] explain this to me a. little bit. So, they were fighting, I. guess fist fighting over here on this. side? Yeah, they were fighting on this side. Okay. And then what happened? That guy, I think his name's Isaac. He got up, came over to his car, which was. right where the. got up. So, he got knocked down? [snorts]. I don't know. I was standing on the porch at that. time. He's over here on the porch. Yeah. Okay. But I just saw them all go. down there. He was parked right next to. the 4Runner. So, he went to get in his car, and.

that's when everything happened. But I. saw him start stabbing Charlie, so. that's when I kicked his door to kind of. stop him. And then. I pulled Charlie away and then onto the. other side and that's when I was. we were all just holding him. Did he know he had a knife at that. point, you think? knew. Okay. I mean, after that, I like I just got my. arm around Charlie to hold pressure on. all of his wounds and then that's why. there's blood from this side of the. 4Runner over cuz after I dragged him.

there, that's where I sat the whole time until. you guys got here. It just I trust my gut feeling and. tonight was just not right and that was. terrifying. Well, I understand cuz. it was just an absolute show and I came. out onto the porch to make sure like I. was honestly kind of scared I was going. to get shot because they had said, you. know, there might be a gun, but I wanted. to be here in case somebody got hurt and. Isaac had called over the phone and. threatened to come back and finish the. job, further confirming to police that.

this was not an act of self-defense. While Jimmy and Hannah's interviews. provide detectives with a clear picture. of what led to the stabbings, both. witnesses had never met Isaac before. However, police still know nothing about. the actual person who committed this. murder, so Detective Summers decides to. bring in Dalton, [music] the party's. host, who also happens to be Sabra's. brother, and he would reveal some. twisted information crucial to solving. this case. So, walk me through. How long have you. guys been here? Um we've been here the whole weekend.

Um. Yeah, we we we got here Friday uh like. 4:00 p.m. I think it was. Um and. literally like all these people I was. making sure everybody had like safe. rides home. I didn't want people driving. like if you're driving, I there's plenty. of room to stay. You all everybody could. stay. And I was making sure everyone was. leaving and Isaac Pence, the one that he. was. belligerent and I said, "Dude, I was. like you have a safe ride to go home. Just leave. Leave. There's no like just.

no there's no reason for anything here. Like everybody's going home. Half the. people are sleeping trying to go to bed. Like, I was in the in the when this all. like went down, I was. try I was telling everybody to get like. get him out like just get him out of. here. Tell him to leave, get him out of. here. And then. start they all start freaking out. He. stabbed he stabbed him. I was like. We all were freaking out. Like, I was. like I I'm so much in shock like I did. not know what to do. I was up there and. Hannah and Jimmy they were all helping.

like holding like on him. I was like. just keep pressure on him. Like, I like. I'm. I don't know what to do like. And they were all calling like. Who is. him when you're saying that they were. holding pressure on him? Who is. The one that got stabbed. Charlie, Star, Hannah and Jimmy they were holding. pressure on him after like They were. like He He stabbed him. He stabbed him. And like. Isaac hopped in the car after like. immediately and sped off. He was up. there here. Okay. Who was Isaac with? Who did he sleep.

with? He My sister Sabre fight. Isaac's had issues in the past. He's put. his hands on my sister and he's just. literally went to jail 3 months ago for. putting his hands on my mom. Isaac Pence was someone that should. never have been at this party in the. first place. He already had a history of. being violent as Dalton explained and to. make matters worse, he was dead beat. drunk. Flailing around, assaulting. everyone that came into view. It was. only a matter of time before someone got. seriously hurt. It just so happened that.

Dalton telling Isaac to leave made him. explode. More importantly, Dalton. explained that Isaac went to prison for. assaulting his mother. This is very. important information as it could prove. in court that Isaac had pre-existing. tendencies of assault. Detective Summers. plans to speak to Dalton's mother. face-to-face but [music] before she's. able to do so, she receives disturbing. information that changes [music] the. case completely. They went to the hotel room where. Sabre's mom is staying. She told him to. get their [ __ ] and get out. I mean, I.

don't know she doesn't know if he's. coming back to finish what he started or. what. Cool. Nice. Cool. All right. Have a good one. I'll head over to the car. All right, bud. Good luck. Go with God. With these claims in mind, police would. have everyone evacuate the premises and. lock down the cabin. Fortunately, Isaac. would never show and the hunt for Isaac. Pence would go cold for the night. Um how many children do you have? This.

is. the type of Randall. We just need a statement from you about. what happened last night. I know. I was Besides we start work at 6:00 this. morning, I was woke up at 3:00 a.m. by. my daughter calling me on the phone. She was hard to understand. I could tell. she was intoxicated. And she was very hard for me to. understand what she was saying. Um. I could I knew there was a fight. She. said a fight was breaking out.

Um. She said I've lost my gla- I don't have. my glasses. I don't have my purse. I. don't have a shoe. I was trampled on. Dalton. [cough]. and. Isaac. Dalton is my son. Isaac is. They. Not very good blood, but. He's. Isaac's not treating Sabre very well. Um I I. We had a court case not too long ago. where he threw me across the room. So, Dalton's just. He's protective of his sis- of his. sister. Worried for her safety, really.

Um so, he told her yesterday he's not to. come if he's been drinking. Well, when he got out of the car, [clears throat] he had an He had a. container on him. And Dalton said he tried to get him to. leave all night. Several times he tried. to get him to leave and Isaac wouldn't. leave. Okay. So, this is what she told you on the. phone, right? Yeah. And then I said, "Sabre, where are. you going right now? Where are you Are. you" She said they. She first told me they were at Isaac's. house. I said, "Sabre.". Okay.

But I could hear this in the background. I could hear Isaac talking to somebody. And she was still sitting in the car. And I said, "If you're at your house, if. you guys are at your house, why are you. still sitting in the car?" She's like, "Well, I don't know where we are." I. said, "Sabre, ask Isaac where you are.". So, she asked Isaac where they were. Isaac said, "It's okay. I stopped at a. buddy's house.". And um. I said, "Okay.". I don't know what buddy. I know they. said something on Chicken Chicken King. Road. But then they left there and came to the. room. They were at my room.

for maybe 20 minutes. And I told Isaac he needed to leave. He said. He was calm when I was talking to Sabre. on the phone. Much different person when he was there. at the room. He said, "Well, once I go to my house. and get what I need, I'm going back out. there.". I don't know what he was meaning, but he. was going out there to finish finish. something off. What time was that? That was I mean, they left my room at 19.

till 5. 5:00 a.m.? Yes. Cuz then I called my mom cuz I said, "Obviously, I don't know what's going on. It's I. can't I'm not I'm not I'm not going to. work today.". And I called McDonald's. I'm manager at. McDonald's. And I called him and said, "I don't really know what's going on. This is all I know, but I know. my kid I don't know. I just feel like. something's I'm not being told. everything and. I just I. I still can't believe this.

It's frankly terrifying that despite the. fact that Sabre just watched her. boyfriend stab someone to death, all she. cares about is getting her belongings. back before work the next day. This. ignorance and complete disregard for. their crimes is something that both. Isaac and Sabre should be held. accountable for. Police would go on to get written. statements from everyone at the house. that night, adding to the pile of. evidence against Isaac. However, the. next day, Hannah and James would show up.

to the station to provide police with. the most damning evidence they've. received yet. Obviously, a lot was going on yesterday. Um. so, I uh. Remember how I said I had been on the. porch? Mhm. Well, I think I'm Well, I flew off the. porch so fast and I ended up on the hood. of my truck because I thought Isaac was. going to hit my car. Okay. So, I started recording a video in the. circumstance that he hit my car. Okay. And I captured the entire stabbing. Um I captured um.

Sabrina, the female that was in the. passenger seat. You can see her reaching. in the back seat with her flashlight on. her phone. Um. So, There's Sabrina in THE PASSENGER SEAT. [screaming].

[screaming]. THERE IS SABRINA. [screaming]. AND THEN THAT'S HIM DRIVING. AWAY. HONESTLY, IF YOU PUT THE brightness on. the video up, we might be able to see a. little bit better. So, it just goes so fast, but it's him. standing up in the door up there. There's Sabrina getting in the back. seat. She grabs something and she tosses it. onto his seat.

Toss toss it where? Something from the back seat onto his. car seat. Now, Isaac's on so Isaac's right there. in the middle. Okay. I see him. He's the one standing up there. That's. his arm yelling telling him then he's. stabbing right there. And watching Jimmy grabbing him and. pulling him back. This video is a crucial step in proving. Isaac guilty as it shows clearly that. Isaac did in fact stab Charlie. Additionally, Sabre seems to hand.

something over to Isaac right before the. stabbing occurs, meaning she could have. potentially given Isaac the knife used. to kill Charlie. With this, police have. more than enough evidence to arrest. Isaac and Sabre. This would be an easy. task as police were able to ping Sabre's. phone location to Isaac's house. They. would be detained shortly thereafter. However, during the investigation, they. also discovered something peculiar. By tracing the car's movements found at. Isaac's house, officers realized that. Sabre and Isaac visited two other.

locations before arriving at their own. home. The first was the house of Isaac's. friend Justin Sloan. At approximately. 3:00 a.m., just minutes after the. stabbing, CCTV cameras captured Sabre. and Isaac stopping at the home. [music]. Why exactly they stopped would soon. unravel itself as officers called. Justin.

Hello. Hello, is this Justin? Yes. Hi Justin, this is Detective McNights, Hawkins County Sheriff's Office. I. appreciate you talking to our Captain. Robinson earlier, but I've just got a. couple follow-up questions real quick. Okay. So, the question that I have is, do you. know Sabre? Uh, yes, because she knew my little. brother and stuff, that's how I met her. Uh, but this is the first time she's. been in your house? Uh, this current house that I live in, yes. Normally, we all just kind of meet. at our friend's house. Um, was she present during the. discussions when he was when Isaac was.

telling you what was happening, what. happened last night? Yes, sir. Okay. Was she present when he hid the. knives? Uh, she was in my garage on the phone. with her mother. And he left the garage to go Did he say. he was to go do that? Yeah, I couldn't really tell him no cuz. I didn't know what was going on. I had. no idea if it was true or not. Okay. Do you have any idea who told the. police that he was going to come back. and finish the job? I don't think I did hear him say stuff. like that when he was drunk and freaking. out at my house though. It might even be.

on camera, but I don't know. He did say stuff like that at your. house? Kind of It was more of like he just. wanted to go back and beat up the other. people that were trying to jump him. [clears throat]. Okay. All right. The killer couple hid two knives at. Justin's home. Evidently, the two were. panicking. With a fresh kill on their. hands, they didn't know what to do and. stashed the knives at Justin's home. without him knowing. Once Justin refuses. to give them shelter, Isaac and Sabra. make a second stop, Sabra's mother's. hotel room. It's obvious the two were.

panicking. Isaac knew what he did could. get him in serious trouble, so instead. of working with the police to prove his. innocence, he hid the murder weapons and. ran. Evidence points to Isaac as a clear. killer who murdered an innocent college. student for no reason. With little to no evidence proving the. statement to be wrong, detectives decide. [music] it's time to conduct their first. formal interrogation with Isaac. The. goal of this interrogation is to get. Isaac to admit to the murder and then. slowly break his attempt at claiming.

self-defense until he has nothing left. other than to admit his evil actions. Why [snorts] don't you tell me a little. bit about yourself? Um. I live on Hickory 10 Road. And? Okay. How long have you lived there? Uh. for about. [clears throat]. 6 or 7 years now. Okay. All right. Um. Who do you live there with? Uh my mom, my stepdad. Okay. I got a little brother, little sister. Okay.

And then Sabra and my two kids. Okay. And who's Sabra? Uh my fiance. Okay. All right. And how old are your. children? One is one and one is four months. Okay. All right. On the surface, it might look like Isaac. is a proud father, but he's hiding more. than a few skeletons in his closet. When. officers arrived to arrest him, his. home's condition was beyond deplorable. The pungent smell of ammonia, likely. accumulated from urine, filled up every.

single corner of the home. But, that. wasn't even the worst part. Isaac was a. well-known abuser, and in his. girlfriend's mother's words, Sabra was. his biggest victim. This meant that the. children he tries to speak [music] so. dearly about were the same ones who, according to people close to Isaac, had. to live in a house that stunk of urine, all the while seeing their mother be. abused on the regular. To many, it might. seem that Isaac's complete disregard and.

ignorance of anyone but himself is what. landed him here in the first place. Yet, in his eyes, he seems to think that he's. done nothing wrong. In fact, as the. interview continues, it's almost as if. he sees himself as the victim. All right. So, I was like, you guys came up here for a. birthday party, is that correct? Yeah. Okay. All right. So, whose birthday was. it? Um it was her brother's birthday. Um you. know, her brother never got along. Okay. I was there the whole time. I was like,

I knew this was a bad idea. I want to. make her happy. So, I was like, you know, I will try to. put my pride aside. Let's go ahead and go. Okay. [music]. We were there. Everything. [clears throat] was good. What [snorts] time did you get there? Um it was around 8:00, I think. 8:30. Um. All right. Everything was completely fine. And. we were having a good time. Um. she ended up having a panic attack cuz. she wanted to get into a hot tub. And.

she was way too drunk, and she's "Oh, he's going to be mad if I get in the hot. tub." I was like, "Hey, you're fine. Go get in the hot. [music] tub." She's like, "Well, there's. other dudes in there." I was like, "Listen, I'm not getting in the hot tub because. I'm wearing work shorts or work pants, work shirt. I'm not getting in the hot. tub." I was like, "You want to get in. there? Go ahead.". Notice how Isaac completely leaves out. the facts that he, too, was. belligerently drunk. Pay attention to. how Isaac cleverly leaves out details. that made him a [ __ ] in his story.

She gets in there, everything's fine. Well, later on that night, she's outside, and. we're all standing out in the hallway. She's outside, so as she's out on the. patio. Isaac. Okay. Um and then. it was me, her brother, and I think like. two other guys. And what's her brother's name? Don. Don. Okay. Um. I don't know the other two guys. But we are all standing right here in. the hallway. And someone in the middle like pushing.

me. So I pushed him back. Well, Don thought that I pushed his. girlfriend, Horizon. And so he got all pissed off. That's when everyone tried to jump me. Well, I kind of knew what I was doing a. little bit. So. I start throwing them to the side. And that's when I was like, you know, I'm not trying to fight anybody, so just. toss me to the side. I got in my car. I. told Saber, "All right, hey,

if you want to go, then we're going.". Well, they came and they got in the. passenger car, um and they took her. sunglasses, or no, her actual glasses, and her purse out. Trying to keep her to stay there. So, "Oh, well, you're going to stay. here." And I was like, "Well, with. everything going on, like I'm going to. leave.". Because. You You said you just wanted to leave? Yeah. It was. 10 to 15 guys. Okay. And they all they said they are trying. to fight me. Well, then this one comes up to my car.

door. Came up and he was kicking my car. I mean, once they start sitting there. trying to bust the glass to get to me, that's when I pulled out a knife. I was. like, "Hey, you need to back up.". And they didn't listen. They They ended up. opening my car door. What car door? My driver's side car door. They did? Okay. It [music] was two to three guys were. sitting there and they're just yanking. on it. I was trying to hold it as good. as I could. And.

it's three guys sitting there pulling on. it. I was like, "I'm not going to let my. door break." I was like, "Hey, you guys. need to back up. Like, this is not going. down right here.". Okay. And. [snorts]. they didn't listen. So, I was like, "Listen, I just started poking at him a little. bit.". Immediately, Isaac's story contradicts. all of the witness statements thus far. Isaac claims he was the one trying to. leave the party, while everyone else. claims they were trying to get Isaac to. leave. Unfortunately for Isaac, the. phone recording, CCTV footage, and.

mountains of other evidence go directly. against what he's saying. But for now, detectives will let Isaac create a. detailed narrative without confrontation. so that they can use it against him in. later interrogations. Like, I didn't try to do it to. physically hurt anybody really bad, but. I did it just to like poke like, "Hey, I. have a knife. Calm down.". Where did you Where did you get the. knife? Oh, it's in my car. Okay. Um I use it for work. Okay. Because doing construction, Okay. we use it to cut plastic and everything.

Okay. They wouldn't stop. They just kept. going. So, I tried to stab the one guy in the. arm just so they would get off. Well, as soon as I stabbed him in the. arm, they left. The other two guys took off completely. Okay. [music]. And. that's when Sabre got in the car and I. took off. I left, got somewhere safe. I called my. mom. and was like, "Hey, I should not be driving right now. And. [clears throat]. a bunch of [ __ ] has popped off." I was. like, "I need to figure out something. I got.

to go somewhere, but I don't need to be driving.". So, you stabbed the guy in the arm one. time? Uh. I think it was twice. Twice? [music]. You're sure it wasn't more than that? I don't think so. Okay. [clears throat]. So, when you left and you said you. called mom, right? Um so, did she come get you from there? Uh Susan wasn't able to. Got you. So, did you go Where did you go. after that? I went straight home. Isaac is blatantly making lie after lie.

Every lie he makes during this. interrogation will only come back to. haunt him once he's presented with. factual evidence. The the knife, what what's its location? Where is it at? Um the [ __ ] should be in my car. Should be in the car? So, if I didn't drop it. at. Got you. Yeah, it It's either in the car or is at. their house.

Got you. Okay. Detectives would wrap this interrogation. up quickly as they got exactly what he. needed. Isaac doubled down on his claims. of self-defense and lied through his. teeth in order to do so. Now that they. have these statements on record, Isaac. is going to have a really hard time. proving his innocence once he's. confronted. But for now, police have another issue. to address. It's still unclear what. Sabre's role was in the murder. The. phone recording could indicate that she. handed Isaac the knife, so she could be. equally as guilty for the crime as Isaac.

is. However, their one priority is to. convict Isaac and extract the truth of. what happened that night. So, they sit. Sabre down for her one and only. interrogation with plans to slowly build. the pressure until she breaks down and. confesses everything. Start out at, let's say, 8:00 last. night. What time did you get to the park? So, I I was at work, and then I got off. at 7:00. Um I got off at around 7:30. Um I had.

people coming in tanning really late, so. I didn't get out till about 7:30. I went. home. Um he was asleep when I got there, Isaac. was. So, I woke him up and I said, "Do. you still want to go?" He's like, "Yeah, let's do it. You know, we'll just go for a few hours, cuz I. have I'm supposed to go to bed today.". Well, um once we got there, Marla was like, "Yeah, I want to check with you. Like, just stay, and then we'll make sure. you're up in the morning." I just. decided to stay on the couch, cuz I was. like, "I know I got to get up in the. morning, you know, I got to go to work. I'm not I don't want to get too like. wasted." So, I just stayed on the couch,

and they're still having a good time. Isaac's having a good time. And all of a. sudden, I hear this big like, you know, arguing. And I was like, "Oh my gosh, please tell me it's not with Isaac." I. go out, and I hear like a bunch of. different stories. Isaac and a few other. people are saying that he accidentally. pushed Horizon, which is my brother's. girlfriend. Then, my brother's sitting. here saying he intentionally pushed her. I don't think he intentionally pushed. her pushed her. He's not that type of. person. He's not violent, especially. with girls. He hates cuz his mom was.

abused by his dad, so he knows what it's. like. And he's seen his mom go through. all of that. So, I know he's not that. type of that type of person. It's awfully odd that Sabre describes. Isaac as nonviolent. and doubles down on him not being the. aggressor the entire night, because all. of the previous witnesses stated. otherwise. Isaac has had a thorough. history of abuse, and everyone besides. Sabre clearly remembers him being the. aggressor the entire night. There is a. good chance that the reason why Sabre is.

defending Isaac is a far more. deep-rooted issue. Trauma bonding occurs. when an individual suffers from cycles. of abuse, followed by positive. reinforcement. This causes the victim to. develop a strong emotional attachment to. the abuser, which can result in a. rationalization of the abuser's. behavior. Considering the fact that. Isaac has abused Sabre's mom, one might. question if he's really the saint Sabre. makes him out to be in the relationship. But for now, all that Sabre wants is to.

defend Isaac because to her, it doesn't. matter if he's a murderer. And they're sitting here arguing and I'm. trying to talk to Isaac to calm him down. because I'm like one of the only people. that calm down. I'm like, "Okay, let's. just, you know, if anything, let's just. go in your car, sit for like a couple. hours, and then we can go home." Then. they followed us outside. It was like 10. guys, all of my brother's friends, and this. guy, I think his name is Clay. I don't. want to be wrong. He goes, "Are you. really starting problems again?" And I.

think he might have thought maybe when I. had my panic attack that Isaac was. starting some sort of drama, but he. pushed Isaac. Isaac went flying back. into a car. I tried to intervene, just. trying to get Isaac away cuz I didn't. want to see my brother fight Isaac. and any of that to happen. They end up. like back behind Isaac's car. They end. up going down that hill. I'm following. them, trying to, you know, break it up. Somehow I fall, and they're like. trampling all over me. I have a big. burns on my knee, and.

he got in the car and he goes, "Sabre, come on, come on, come on." I didn't. even know someone got stabbed until way. after we left. And Isaac was like, "I. think I stabbed that dude. I think I. stabbed him." I was like, "I was like, oh my god." I was like, "Isaac, I was. like, you literally ran away. Like. that's not what you should do." And then. I think he stabbed that his friends also. cuz his friends live lives right down. the street. He was flipping out cuz he. was like, you know, he was like, "Oh my. god, I don't want to get in trouble. I. don't want to get in trouble." Then he. ended up going to sleep. So I had an. alarm at 7:00,

so I could try and wake up and get time. to call someone and see if they were up. at that time. And then at that time, that's when I hear pounding on our front. door. And I walk out, and Isaac's mom. was like, "Isaac Isaac needs to get out of here. There's a bunch of cops out here. drawing their weapons. He's got to go. out.". It's clear Sabra doesn't intend on. cracking. So, detectives decide it's. time to put the pressure on Sabra and. get her to confess. You can't think of anything else that. you forgot to tell us or didn't mention?

Not that I know of. Okay. And what do you know of Justin? Um I know him not like really well. I. just know that him and I that we're. friends for a couple years. How long were you at the house talking. to him today with. [music]. Isaac. Isaac? [clears throat]. Like 5 minutes. 5 to 10 minutes. Only 5 to 10 minutes? What's as far as I know. Like I mean, I went in between. Then we were out. there for a little bit, and then we.

left. I'm sure that somebody's already going. to explain things to you, right? So, mother to mother, you love your. children, right? Yes, very much. Okay. And you want to see your kids. again someday, right? Yeah. Because today somebody's actions made it. so a mother lost her son, a father lost. his son. Somebody lost their boyfriend. Okay? Several friends lost another friend. who bled out at the hands of someone. that you care about. And you know something.

I I I really I don't. You were there. Yeah, but I didn't. I didn't know he got stabbed. I didn't I. didn't know that until after he we left. If you're trying to protect this man, you're going to go down as an accomplice. for murder. I'm not. I promise. I You know something. I I got knocked down, and I was on the. floor or on the ground, and then I got. up, and I didn't I didn't see anyone on. the floor. I didn't see anyone else on. the floor. I swear. I'm not trying to. protect him.

So, what did he say after he stabbed him. cuz you guys drove away together? He had. to have said something. He didn't He really didn't He said um. I don't even think he said anything. He. just got in the car, I got in the car, and then we left, and then shortly after. that he said that he stabbed someone. I'm going to tell you that I talked to. his parents, and they said that he's an. explosive, angry, violent drunk. He is, and I I'll I he he is. He's never. been like like aggressive to me. Um he.

just He gets aggressive, and he'll like. he punches back when he'll He He does. stupid things when he's drunk. I'll be. the first to admit that. Listen. He died. He's dead. He's gone. I know. I know. I got to bring someone. for. So, I want to know why he didn't have to. die. Your honesty today is imperative about. what happened. Your honesty today is the. is the paramount of what we need to.

know, okay? You're not telling us. You're hiding some stuff back. You're. trying to protect him. All right, now listen to me. I spoke to your mother on the phone. So did I. You know he's violent against women, correct? He's been violent before. against women, correct? He was violent against your own mama. I'm talking about Isaac. He So, yes, he did push my mom. Um. He did what? He pushed my mom. Pushed your mom? Um cuz he went to court for it. Um.

She punched him first, and then she he. pushed her. So, I will say that yes, but. he has never laid a hand on me. He's. never done anything like that. You told me earlier that he would never. do that to a woman, correct? I totally forgot about my mom. I'm so. sorry. I. How is your mom? How can you forget. about your mom? You're trying to just. protect him. I'm not. Okay. I'm going [snorts] to tell you right now. that my specialty is. domestic violence, sexual assault, and. crimes against children. [music]. And the living conditions that your. children are in are a crime.

A deplorable, sickening crime. I'm 35. years old and I could barely breathe in. that house. There's dog feces. everywhere. There The ammonia in that. house is horrible. We'd made a referral to have your. children emergency room. I'm going to tell you that. All right, Sabra, you know how I know you're full. of [ __ ]. You went to your mom's. You went to. Justin's all before you went back to the. house. I talked to your mom. I did go to my mom's. I I totally.

forgot. I am so sorry. Are you forgetting cuz you were drunk? Are you forgetting cuz you were high? No. She's forgetting because she doesn't. want to tell us the truth. The only thing that I can have is I can. say about you right now is either she. was lying or. or she [music] was scared, but she. finally told us the truth. I was scared. Okay. You knew that he threw the knives at. Justin's [music] house, correct? Yes, and I apologize. I was I was.

scared. Who had the gun at the party? I And I'm being honest to God, I didn't. see a gun. I didn't know who had it. I. know my brother has a gun registered in. his name. Did your brother have a gun? I don't know. I didn't see one. Okay. What did you see about this stabbing? Um I didn't see And I'm being completely. truthful on everything. I didn't see. anyone get stabbed. I didn't see anyone. fall to the floor or anything. anything. This is when I was I think. this all this stabbing happened when I.

was on the ground. Well, is there anything else that you think. that we should know about? [snorts]. Is there anything that you want the. prosecutor to know? Because now's the. time to make your case if. if you feel that you have one. Sabra, right now I'm going to apologize. to you for lying to us about that. Yes. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like. Sabrina is going to crack anytime soon. However, her lying is just as bad as. Isaac's, so convincing her shouldn't be.

much of a challenge. Additionally, her. cathartic behavior only strengthened the. case against Isaac as she revealed that. they did in fact hide the knives at. Justin's home, giving detectives another. lie to confront Isaac with. So, once and. for all, using all the evidence they've. collected for the last several days, detectives sit Isaac down for a final. interrogation. We're going to read Miranda to you since. we've had a break in between. Do you know what your Miranda rights. are? Okay, I'm going to read them to. you.

After reading Isaac his rights, he would. recount everything that happened the. night of the murder. We've heard his. story multiple times now, so I'll. fast-forward through that portion of the. interrogation. Okay. So, I'm going to tell you the only thing. you have left in this world is your. integrity. You know what integrity is? Yeah, your honesty. And I'm going to tell you that I have. found about 40 loopholes already in your. story. And I know the truth. I'm not going to. ask you a question I already don't have. the answer to. Okay, that would make me. a horrible detective. Been here since.

3:30 this morning. The last thing I want. is your [ __ ] okay? I am giving you honesty and I'm giving. you the opportunity to come clean, okay? If I go to the prosecutor and say he. gave me a line of crap, you know what. they're going to do? They're going to. throw the book at you come court time. If I go to the prosecutor and I say, "Hey, this is the guy who made mistakes. cuz we all make mistakes. We do it every. single day. I'm not a perfect person. Dave's not a perfect person. We've done. and seen some [ __ ] up things, okay? What you did last night is [ __ ] up.

You killed somebody. What? He's dead. When did he die? Yeah, he died at 8:31 this morning. The world lost a father. He leaves. behind a 9 and 1/2 month old son named. [music] Jet. Okay? Somebody lost their son this. A mother and father lost their son. A. girlfriend lost her boyfriend that she. held compression on for several minutes. waiting for a medic to get there to try. and save his life. He died at Grant this morning and you're. facing murder charges.

I didn't know that. You did cuz you didn't stab him twice. You stabbed him multiple times. Way more than twice. And I've interviewed probably 15 or 16. people today that have painted a pretty. gruesome picture involving you. This is your chance to be honest about. it. I was just trying to get them to stop. You get one shot at this and one shot. only. I've talked to your mom. I know. you were a very violent, explosive. person. I know you drink almost every. weekend. You left her in the care and.

custody of your two children, Drake Owen. Waylon, who are 13 months and 4 months. old. I've been inside your bedroom. I've. been inside your car. I've had a very. deep conversation with your girlfriend, your girlfriend's mother, and everyone. that was at that cabin. You get one shot. at this with me and that's it. You want. to start over? With this brilliant confrontation, the. detective successfully convinced Isaac. to start again with his story. Just like. in Sabre's interview, he already gave. his version of events before this. So, any mistakes he makes now will seal his.

fate. Start at the very beginning. How did you. end up there? I ended up because they all wanted to go. and I told her that I would go with her. [music]. And. so we ended up going. But we've never got along, me and her. brother. Mhm. And. of course, her. brother's friends aren't going to like. me. if they don't like me. But he said that he was going to be. cool, calm, collected. I said I'll do.

the same. And I was until everything blew up. And once everything blows up, then I. just blow up and then I just black out. How much cocaine did you do last night? I didn't [clears throat] do anything. I know there was cocaine there. I have. already found the cocaine. I didn't do any. Did you smoke weed? No. [music]. How much did you drink last night? Um. I think I drank a 12-pack of Miller. I took a couple shots of Tennessee. And. a bottle of green.

Uh it's like green sour apple schnapps. Huh. There was like a half bottle of that. Okay. So you drank a. [music]. lot of alcohol knowing that you have an. explosive personality when you're drunk. Okay. [music]. Was there some jealousy issues at this. party last night? [music]. Yeah, a little bit. What happened? Um. well. [music]. it's just. her brother's friend well her friend and. her brother's friend uh Trey.

I've always not liked him cuz she sits. there and says always like a brother, but then she got mad at me one time and. said, "Oh, well Trey's so hot. I'll just. go [ __ ] him." [music]. So that's where I don't really trust him. anymore. And uh. So. when he came that's kind of where I got. jealous. Okay. So [music] Sabra is talking to. Trey. Right? Were they together? Uh they're in the hot tub. Okay.

And she starts having a panic attack. Yeah. because why? Uh she thought I was going to be mad. If Sabra had panic attacks just thinking. that Isaac was going to be mad at her, one can question exactly how much abuse. she dealt with to behave like this. Worse yet is the fact that Sabra still. believed Isaac to be a saint going as. far as to cover up his murder. So a scuffle ensues and during this. scuffle. Sabra tries to break it up, right? [music]. Okay. And what happens to Sabra as she's.

trying to break this up? Uh she said she got trampled. Who comes to run to her aid? [music]. I have no clue. Okay. So, fair to say that you probably. blacked out or there's bits and pieces. missing here? Yeah. So, Dalton comes running over because. his sister's now on the ground [music]. and she has this tattoo, this is my. brother's keeper, and they're they're. close, right? And he is screaming at you. guys to knock the [ __ ] off because his. sister's now on the ground and Sabra's.

having some type of panic attack, [music]. right? She goes to get in the car and. she's screaming at you at this point, right? [music]. Do you remember this? No. Okay. Is that when we start fighting on the. hill? Uh-huh. And what happens on that hill? Um. [clears throat]. on the hill, that's where I got pushed. down. Do you have injuries that would. Yeah. collaborate you saying you got pushed. down? The scrapes on your side? Yeah, I have scrapes all over my side.

and I have a big knot right here where I. got hit. Okay. So, you get pushed down this hill and. then what? Then I think. we kept on going at it. Who's we? Cuz we have about 20 or 22 people now. that have been at this cabin. I don't even know their names. I saw the video, somebody clearly shoved. you in the front, uh which started the, you know, the. scuffle. That's about the only part I remember is. getting pushed and then. kind of gone from there until I got in. my car.

And when you get in your car, what happens? That's where I think I grabbed a knife. And I used it to pound on the door, I. think. I'll tell you that I have a footprint. that tells me they were trying to close. the door. Do you remember any of that? Yeah. That's it. Okay. And where's Sabra? She was just sitting in the car. Did she get out of the car at any point? I don't think so. Is she paying attention to what you're. doing there or is she preoccupied. [music] with something? I think she was watching TikToks on her.

phone. Watching TikToks on her phone, knowing. her boyfriend just stabbed somebody. It's pretty normal behavior, right? I mean, hey, you went home and took a. nap. Like. it was just another day in the park for. you. I was too drunk and didn't really. remember when I got home. But not too drunk to drive. Not too drunk to dispose of the murder. weapon. Not too drunk to try and cover up your. tracks. Did you know his name was Charlie?

Yeah. You never met Charlie before that, did you? So. you grabbed Charlie by the neck and you. didn't stab Charlie two times. You. stabbed Charlie six times. The side of his neck, right here on his. face, twice in his side, once in his back, and. somewhere in between his head and his. neck. And you left. You left Charlie to lay there and bleed. out on the ground. Charlie didn't die right away, but.

Charlie, he died. He coded out in a trauma bay. He made it. in an airplane to a hospital in. Columbus. Made it through the surgery and then he. couldn't put his heart gave out. And you know what? His kid isn't the only one left without. a dad. Cuz Draco and Waylon aren't going to. have their dad either. They're not going. to have their mom either. She went to. jail today. What she in there for? Complicity to murder. Cuz she knew and she didn't do anything.

about it. And I turned your kids over to the state. earlier this afternoon because the. living conditions in that house are. deplorable as well. So, they're not going to have a mother. or a father. Does that change things for you? Yeah. Does that put some things into. perspective? Bet you weren't thinking about that when. you threw the knife. All right. Isaac, you're going to stand up, put your hands. behind your back. At this time, you're. under arrest for murder.

At this point, Isaac has nothing more to. say, and the body cam concludes shortly. after. With so much evidence stacked. against him and his girlfriend, the two. were placed into custody as they awaited. their trial. A year later, on August. 26th, 2024, Sabre Flag pled guilty to. obstructing justice. This is a. fifth-degree felony that comes with a. maximum of 12 months in prison and a. $2,500 fine. As for Isaac Pence, he was.

convicted of one count of murder, two. counts of felonious assault, and one. count of tampering with evidence. A. month later, on September 25th, he was. finally sentenced to 18 years to life in. prison, where he will not see the light. of day for a long, long time. If you're interested in watching our. uncensored, extended, two-to-four-hour. coverages of these original cases, make. sure to check out our Patreon linked in. the description.