This Trump loyalist attended dozens of Trump rallies, then defected to Dems

former Trump supporter Rick Frasier.  Um Rick, just to note for our audience, you were not a casual supporter of Trump. You were  among the so-called front row Joe's. You were an. organizer of that. You would travel to dozens of  Trump rallies across the country. Tell us more. about your vote on Tuesday and what your reaction  is to the outcome of the elections. Um well, I think it was quite a turnaround. I wasn't  expecting to do what I did and I didn't see.

that coming early on. But I did vote um Democrat  governor in Ohio because I think um the ad that. Rama Swami put out was pretty bad. Um and using  that against Amy Atkins, I didn't like that. I. also voted for um Brown for senator. I thought  he was a better choice over um the gentleman. that he was running against. But then again, on  the down ballot and some of the other ballots, I did vote Republican because in the past,  I didn't up until Trump, I voted different.

ways. I voted for the guy I thought would do  the best job. And I'm back to doing that and. I should have been doing that all along. So, what  has shifted for you? I mean, you were so dedicated. to supporting Trump, traveling the country,  going to his rallies. What shifted for you? Um, I go back to 2015 when he came down the  stairs and he said that um he was going to.

drain the swamp and lobbyists were bad and he he  also said he had lobbyist he would never use his. lobbyist even though he had the best lobbyist in  the world. Well, it turns out that lobbyist um. is what drives the elections these days. when you  got Elon Musk putting in over 250 million and you. go right on down the line, there's more lobbyists  involved now and the swamp's gotten bigger. So, I'm very disappointed in that aspect of it  as well as I was a no war person. Uh the war.

is huge right now. It's caused chaotic, you know,  chaotic situation throughout the world, you know, not only in our country. So, the war is huge.  That wrecked our economy. It's making it hard. on people. Then also the Epstein files was a very  very big letdown after sitting through so many. rallies hearing people chant lock them up, lock  them up. We're hearing about all the criminals. But when it comes time to settle the issue with  the Epstein files, we hear Donald Trump say to.

Marjorie Taylor Green, "If we do that, it may  hurt some of my friends." That was the day that. I thought something just isn't square with what's  going on. So I had to take a different stance. Yeah, and that's what Marjorie Taylor Green had  reported at the time. So, I wonder what you think. about the president saying now. Um, he has blamed  the losses on several factors. One partly being. the war with Iran. In another instance, he blamed  Fox News. He also said this. Let's listen. I mean,

if I were on the ballot, we would have won. You  saw the people. They were packed. Thousands and. thousands of people at every rally. And if I was  on the ballot, we would have won. But they just, you couldn't transfer that love. There was such  love at those rallies. It was incredible and. uh we weren't able to transfer the love to  candidates. Do you agree with the president if. his name was on the ballots? Would there have  been a different outcome? Well, initially he. said his name was on the ballot. So, he ended  up getting the outcome that he got. You can't.

have it both ways. You're either on the ballot or  not on the ballot. But he's created the mess that. we're we're having right now. His administration  has. So, he has nobody to blame but himself. What does that mean for others um in the  administration who might have their eyes to run. for the presidency in 2028 like JD Vance and Marco  Rubio? Do you think that this hurts them? Well, you know, I I like JD and I like the fact that  JD said he is anti-war and he spoke out against.

it a little bit against the president. So,  I still like JD. I've met him a few times, talked to him. He's a fellow Ohioan. Um, Marco  Rubio's been a politician forever. He will run. for president. That's something we know that's  going to happen. Right now, we have to wait to. see who all is going to run for president. It's  not just going to be those two men. There will. be people on both sides. And at that point, I  have to kick the tires and see who's the best. product. Who has the best shot in your view of  taking the mantle after Trump leaves? And is.

there anyone in the current cabinet that would  sway you back to the Republican party? Oh, I'm. not real sure. You know, I myself, I'm not going  to swing toward any party. Like I said earlier, I'm going to go with the best guy going forward.  And that's what I used to do in the past. So there. there won't be an R or the beside my name. There's  just going to be an individual beside my name so I. can think for myself and not have to tow a party  line. You dedicated so many years to supporting.

the president and his agenda. How difficult  has it been to back out of that community? Well, you know, a commitment is based on the  things that you're going to get from it. I mean, I expect to get no war. I expected the Epstein  thing to be cleared up. And I expected $2 gas. I expected the the war in Ukraine to  end. Well, none of that's happened. So,

with all that being said, I'm very  disappointed. And you know, politics. as a whole is a dirty business. You have to be a  millionaire to even run these days. So I I don't. know how anybody would not be disappointed  with our our system. Do you feel misled? Well, yeah. And if I do, that's my own fault. Um  that's politics. Politics is has a lot of theater. in it. Seems like politicians are allowed to  lie where the average guy isn't. So we're at.

a disadvantage. people listen to the lies and  many many people believe them without doing any. research and that was my problem early on anything  that um Donald believe basically till the point I. started looking things up for myself and that's  that's hugely important you have to do your. studies and understand what's going on you can't  just believe what the politicians saying do you. think the Trump era is over as we've known it I  believe so I do I think it's ran its core course,

you know, was Make America Great Again. Actually  started with Ronald Reagan. You know, we tried it. a couple of times and and as far as that goes, to  make America again, it shouldn't have a D after it. or an R after it. It just should have an A after  it for all Americans to make America great again. Rick Frasier, thank you so much. Really appreciate  you coming on to share your perspective. It's it's. an important one. Thank you. Well, thank you,  Pamela. It's been my pleasure and it was quite.

unexpected. Well, life has many twists and turns  and clearly you experienced that yourself and and. thanks for helping us better understand why. We  appreciate it. Tucker Carlson, who's been taking. some of the blame himself, is also pointing the  finger straight at the top. But the person who. said, "Vote as if I'm on the ballot." Well, maybe  many people did. Of course, we're talking about. Donald Trump. And moments ago, Tucker Carlson  posted a 15-minute video blasting the president, titling it the Great Betrayal. Donio Sullivan  is out front. It is a political catastrophe of.

historic proportions. The mega blame game and an  unmitigated disaster has begun. Now is a time to. point fingers to call out the losers to remove  them so we can start winning again. Some like. Vice President JD Vance are blaming the Iran  war. Even President Trump acknowledged Vance. was right. Well, I think it's largely true because  it drove the gasoline up a little bit short term. Beyond that, others are blaming Fox. Let's go back  to Darlene Graham. She was a reluctant candidate,

but pushed by Hannity and other people that  Fox is a tribute to Lindsey Graham. One of. the lessons tonight is that the Fox era of the  Republican party is probably coming to an end. It was the Iran war that really caused the  wedge issue with the base. Turning Point USA. blamed former prominent Trump supporters who broke  with the president. We had infighting. We weren't. singing from the same song sheet. We were all over  the place. We saw the Megan Kelly's, the Tuckers, and all all the Marjorie Taylor Greens uh break  away. But Dave Smith, a comedian and podcaster.

who backed Trump in 2024 before later becoming a  critic of the president, accused Turning Point of. not honoring their founder Charlie Kirk's legacy.  Charlie's favorite congressman was Thomas Massie. So when he was unseated by the lobby for Israel  representing this other wing that you're talking. about that I guess Turning Point and Charlie  didn't represent, why didn't you guys lift a. finger to defend him? Charlie also was extremely  viciferous against the Iran war. Why weren't you.

advocating against that war more aggressively the  way he did? This is bull crap. We said before the. war started that they shouldn't do it. We said  it would go badly if they did and they weren't. selling this conflict. If they thought it was  important, they should actually explain it. They. never did. Well, that was a disaster. Looming  large over all of this is Tucker Carlson. We. can say without hyperbole or gloating, this is  the end of the Trump era last night. We're done. Carlson broke with Trump over Iran and is said  to be close with Vice President JD Vance. So,

if you're Republican, you're probably not as  mad at JD Vance as you were at Donald Trump, but you're probably pretty mad cuz like why didn't  he speak up? Fair. Totally fair. And this is not. in any way like an attempt to resurrect JD Vance  or argue that he should be the nominee in 2028. Carlson praised a social media post Vance wrote  on Wednesday blaming the Iran war for Republican. losses. Sincerely, it's not shilling for JD Vance.  It is appreciating the truth when it's told, which.

all people should do. It is a virtue to appreciate  the truth for its own sake on its own terms. When. someone says something true, it doesn't matter who  it is. If it's true, you should nod in reverent. appreciation. and say, "Thank you for telling  the truth because the truth is what matters.". But others who are still close to the president  say this week's results may have the party. reconsidering its options for 2028. One of the  things you have to ask yourself is, is it possible. now that Republicans turn to an outsider in the  2028 presidential election? Because Marco Rubio.

and JD Vance, the two strongest candidates inside  Trump world, may own a big part of these failures. And you heard there uh Erin Tucker Carlson  saying that MAGA is over. It certainly is a. movement in disarray and you can really  see the challenges that Republicans, conservatives are going to have in these next  couple of years. Everybody's pointing fingers. there. You heard Tucker of course who is a  former Fox News star uh blaming Fox amongst.

others. Um where that is coming from is you  know the sort of podcast sphere which is so. important now especially in the mega space  uh they view uh the sort of establishment. conservatism like Fox News as having promoted uh  the Iran war which really was the great schism. uh in this movement. Yeah schism the  the word. All right, Don. Thank you very.