Warren Sapp FULL EPISODE | EPISODE 16 | CLUB SHAY SHAY

hello welcome to another edition of club. shayche i am your host shannon sharp i'm. also the proprietor. the guy that's coming by for a drink and. conversation today. is a super bowl champ he's a national. champ he was a unanimous all-american. he's a heisman trophy finalist in 1994. a seven-time pro bowl of four-time. first-team all-pro nfl defensive player. of the year. an nfl all-decade player team of the 90s. and the 2000s. bucks ringo order retired number 99. hall of famer first ballot one of the. few defensive tackles.

i can say i win it on the first ballot. my dog. warren sapp oh my god dawg. man jesus. all my life sacrifice hustle pay the. price.

wanna slice got to roll the dice that's. why all my life i've been grinding all. my life. all my life been running all my life. sacrifice. plus i'll pay the price. [Music]. [Music]. how you doing bro i am excellent brother. right now this is the first. march madness that we didn't have where. you have your own team. and it survived in the dance survive in. advance so that's what i'm doing right.

now baby. so i know you're a big fisherman tell. them about the last time you've been. fishing. anything you caught worth mentioning. brother i went on my birthday which was. december the 19th. okay escape i escaped down to costa rica. which is flat calm. i can take you out there because you. love it flat calm if you want to go on. the front. yeah because i can't be doing all that. all that all that rocking. no no ain't no rocket flat calm i mean. i take the old lady with me flat calm. okay 100 pound. tuna 55 inches though.

what yes and we cut him up we cut him up. right down the boat oh you got to eat it. on boat come on you got to freeze them. up real good for about a good 45. hour and then buddy go to slicing that. thing put that wasabi in that soy sauce. in there oh my god boy don't get no. pressure to that though. when the last time you caught any trophy. fish cause i know you're a big trophy. fisherman. you know what i i got in the water with. a nice 120 pound sale and went swimming. with him and you know and other than. that.

i don't i don't take them out of the. water and right i don't keep them unless. i'm eating if i ain't. if i hook it i'm cooking it if i'm not. then i'm releasing it because it's. there for somebody else so you hadn't. had anything you had to back the boat. down to in a minute. no no you said we back down because. that's just how you do it but right. i ain't had no marlin on the line a. minute boy i want one too dawg ooh. you know idea with that dog when that. thing go to screaming and the cat. look at you and they go to rail and. everything down and you want to enter. that thing and he said let's get wet.

there's nothing better than that though. deep sea fishing i don't think they. understand how tedious. how tired because you have to understand. that fish know something is trying to. get him up out that water. so he's fighting for his life and he's. like okay well i got him now he's tired. and then all of a sudden he hit it. hey hey that's that's when he breaks you. right there that's when i asked for the. coolest light and i tell him pull it. right here. pull it right in my mouth dog cause i'm. gonna keep reeling i'm not letting about.

this look i'm gonna keep that line tight. and he's gonna he gotta come to the vote. come see we're gonna start this what. we're gonna do we're gonna start. forwarding we'll work our way back to. the early years. who's your 2020s who you got going to. the super bowl the nfc representative. afc representative and who wins when. it's all said and done in your hometown. in your backyard of tampa the first time. in nfl history 101 years we gonna have a. home. team playing in a home stadium and all. my tampa bay buccaneers versus them. kansas city chiefs that's where i'm.

going i'm right. dog we are in sync right now. tom brady can hit a b on that post route. now. it ain't off no more we are what you. gonna need fordy to beat us you don't. need for it. you like you you like the way your. defense playing cause you're just he. ain't about my defense right now the new. nfl ain't bought no defense defense. don't win no championships. defense gives you a chance no no listen. to me now defense gives you a chance. and your offense and your 100 million.

dollar quarterback has to win it for you. that's. we keep track of four quarter comebacks. i don't know how many fourth quarter. games saving. gaining in the second cost fumbles i got. i don't know about that they don't keep. track of that but they keep track of tom. brady fourth quarter. all i want to know i'm trying to figure. out how i get to a man. that's a two-time all-decade player nfl. defensive player of the year. and this man going to tell me he ain't. talking about no defense he's talking. about offense. offense dog what what game you've been.

watching for the last 12 years since. we've been centered around this thing. though. they built the autobahn down the middle. of the field ain't no more john lynch. hit him right in the chair. they run across the middle of the field. waving their hand dog. they don't know if it's man zone they. just know that they could catch it. and they're not gonna get hit and you. can't punish the quarterback. that's what that's why you see all these. that's all you see all these video game. numbers. the quarterback no i'm protected i only. i can only hit him right here sal. i can only hit him in the lettering of.

his uniform and you can't land on him. that was the pillow dog that was the. reason why i brought you brought the. quarterback [ __ ] you that was my pillow. it's wide open right now how much how. much credit how much. influence of having tom brady in that. tampa bay locker room. has been you know when you look at the. success that they've had this year 11-5. their first time in the playoffs in. in almost two decades how much credit. does tom brady deserve.

all of it all of it i mean when tom's. not when tom. throwed a couple pick sixes early in the. year and looked like he had a little. glimpses of james winston and the 43. year old quarterback wasn't going to be. able to do what he does. it was all on time that defense hadn't. changed they were talking about how much. stopping the run they do i'm like we. don't run the ball in this league no. more. it's a 50 pass league and if you can't. rush the passer. or stop the quarterback you're in. trouble and. a lot of defenses are in trouble every. week in this league jenna.

when you when you look at the. quarterback position now. of our aaron rodgers and patrick mahomes. and russell wilson tom brady josh allen. what quarter what quarterback do you. like if you like you know what if i'm on. a team. i won't heal patrick no mahomes for me i. mean i love. i love what aaron rodgers does and we. always talk about he like that and all. of this but. this boy is doing some stuff that we've. never seen in this game. dawg i was watching the tampa bay game.

because you know me i like to get in the. film and i like to look up big butts. because that's that's the way we would. talk to look at this right right. so that 75 yard pass he threw the three. he was looking at kelsey and the other. boy and peeked over and saw it and just. lost it no look. man you don't do that 75 yards like that. dawg man. that was sick with it he's special with. it. so let me ask you a question i wouldn't. lose championships with aaron rodgers. though i'm just going to say that right. or russell wilson or deshawn watson.

who's doing a houdini act in houston. with nobody around. right do you believe the numbers that. we're seeing and all i'm talking about. for the quarterback position do you. think that's a direct reflection. of how they've handcuffed the defense. and their inability to punish. the receiver the quarterback or anybody. you can't hit a soul we are playing a. wide open seven on seven game and. you know you we watch aaron donald start. the quarterback and have four sacks and. they still scored 54 points in that ball. game.

i'm thinking to myself there's no. quarterback that would be alive after. the third stack. because if i if i sacked him three times. that'd be i hit him six or seven times. right he. uh you grew up in a small town called. plymouth florida. tell me a little bit about your. upbringing you know what i was raised by. five black women my grandma my mom.

my aunt my two sisters okay you know. what that was. that's a lot of hard tough love you know. you don't get no break like that like. that rough black women in the south you. know that boy. orders duties no orders no duties no. chores. and you know they kept me on the. straight narrow and when i found. football. i mean my older brothers are 12 nine and. seven years older than me i'm the baby. of six okay so when i. got to finally play with somebody my own. age it was like taking candy from a baby.

i was like is that all you got i mean is. that the only movie. i mean like like like like you and your. brother you know right. i dog i never wanted my backyard no when. i was watching your speech dog i was. crying with you though. because i felt you i never wanted my own. backyard dog my brother. tortured me i'm yeah.

but it kept you coming back because you. wanted to win so bad you just want to. have one i just want to win one game. no no i just want to be in the game well. i got a shot doing this sucker because. then i'm going to have to talk about all. the good players i had and then he gonna. hit me with. you win and you know you got to just go. back to it. but i'm gonna come back tomorrow so. growing up what was your favorite sport. to play as a kid. football football was that that man just.

come on man. if you were anything like me growing up. in the 70s you're a little older than me. but. yeah it was the it was the cowboys. steelers if you go out west it was the. raiders. and when you were in south florida you. were mesmerized by this mythical team. that nobody else saw play i never seen. the dolphin play i didn't. see those 17 you know so i was a cowboy. fan because i always thought i needed to. stall. my helmet tony hill drew pierce you know. robert newhouse the lion that moved you. know. that come on man that i mean that's why.

i look at kids nowadays. and they don't know the history of the. game like how could you. not this right the richest deepest game. that will. last you two lifetimes how could you not. immerse yourself in it. but the thing is not sap back then guys. stayed basically until. 12 years they retired and maybe they. went one year somewhere else. robert newhouse those guys stayed. different property of. yeah it wasn't after three years four. years.

guys moving on so you you you got an. opportunity it was. you got an opportunity to know the guys. and to know the teams it's not like that. anymore yeah but with the internet why. not. i mean because i mean you can't keep up. with the nba they shuffle them and. change them like underwear but. yeah nfl we hold them for at least four. years and then we're going to franchise. you if you that kind of. player right trust me they they don't. they'll just let them out the door now. they hold on to their property every. night. so you played linebacker tight in place.

kick a pun in high school. at 2 30. uh you got it high school. record for sacks tackle for losses. and the longest field goal hello how you. how do you feel how do you feel go kick. it at you stop stop what what okay what. what i mean i was. i was the emergency kicker oh you're. right i was the emergency kicker my. my kicker steve barnhart went to. michigan state on scholarship. as a field goal but he couldn't punt to. save his life so i was the punter. yeah i was the prunner i never left the.

field never left the field. so i'm just trying to figure out at 2. 30. how you how y'all got a 230 pound. uh uh you supposed to play useful play. offensive line defensive line. yo hold up how you the biggest dude on. the line are you playing tight end. stop i'm not the biggest dude on the. line obama you know my boys richard. close you crazy i have some big old. monsters dog i played 6a football this. ain't that eight man football this ain't. real orange you talking too oh okay no. no no no no we played we played big boy. football. big boy football we eight eight now we.

were six five eight when i was in high. school. it didn't go our way up to eighty nine. though. you played baseball no you been on. wikipedia tell your producer stop that i. ain't okay no baseball you didn't play. no baseball. basketball thousand points thousand. rebounds. you played basketball yes and you had a. thousand points in your career. thousand points thousand rebounds so. okay let me guess you are power forward.

and your game was like charles barkley. what. i mean what else would you want to be. baby with a nice smile and dump that. thing i mean. don't get back in why i'm gonna send it. to you i got an old dunk my home but dug. up old tape for me. yeah baby i want to dunk contest my. rookie year in college. so we can win some money you know you. had to you had to pull out your skills. baby come on.

i was 280 doing that yeah i got the job. at my mama house. let me ask you this now it says that you. played against uh former mlb star johnny. damon. and you tackled him and you knocked him. out other way around he was the safety i. was the tight end. oh you ran him over done and. jason veritech got both on got a both of. them [ __ ] [ __ ] got both up baby. you don't play you don't bring no. baseball player out here to this. football field we stump on that baby. so you so in other words you weren't.

looking to run past anybody you looking. to run over people you tried. no no no no it was certain ones you know. like you know like the baseball. all-american jason veritek. oh twice i got him first time i shook. him first time i shook him and then ran. him over. second time i just i just said he and he. ain't got enough to stop it so i just. went over here just flat. uh your boy your boy johnny damon had. the angle on me and i saw him late and i. lifted up the thigh.

he says that every time i see a true dog. hey man. you knock me out and ask you i said dog. i didn't even know it was you. though i really did that you chose the. university of miami. there were i want to know why did you. choose miami and who were your top three. teams. that you were going to that you that you. were thinking about going to. before you chose miami i only took four. visits. you only took four i went to michigan. state to go see snoke. and i wanted to see steve smith play. basketball because i was a real.

basketball you know a little freaky move. he had. seen him do that bad boy steve smith was. my guy and. bobby williams who's down in alabama. with nick saban right now was recruiting. me. my mother loved this man i mean this. dude. he almost got me to go to michigan state. and then it was the three florida. schools. and i couldn't go to florida because my. mother bagged me out of the football. office. okay what happened uh i was still in the. commit because this was fun and done and.

kirkpatrick had just caught 66 balls at. tight end. i was launched bernie took me back to. his office shane matthews walks into the. meeting room. and says who you got in the room coach. you say i got your guy from a parker. shane matthew you say sap in here i'm. like [ __ ] shane matthew you know my name. what song what do i sign dawg i catch. this rock. i do that i do that seven right baby you. know that you know the little seven. round shot. right put that thing right there yeah. that's that that's the tiniest favorite. round that's seven baby yeah yeah.

let me push him in let me push him and. go to the corner baby right man. i was in the side and sperry said. there's one more person i need for you. to meet. he went down the hall to get the tight. end coach god bless his soul john reeves. only time i met john reeves i saw him in. tampa one at a time. he came out of his office he looked down. the hall and he said. hi ma'am my momma said no and walk me. back me out of the football offices my. visit was over right then shannon we. drove home got in the car i tried to.

turn the music on she slapped my hand. i had to look out the window for 90. minutes until we got back to orlando. though. okay i never asked her florida state you. did you visit florida state. bobby brown wouldn't come to my house. bobby bowman told me he'd meet my mother. at phyllis wheatley elementary where she. worked. i'm like i don't live in the country dog. i don't live nowhere you know because. 1991 they were doing a lot of drive-by. shootings. right and bobby i guess bobby didn't. feel safe in the country but. you know if you're a country boy you.

talk about pascagoula mississippi and. that boy mama. went down from my high school so my girl. was gonna go to fam you the next year. i want to go to florida state but danny. bad mouth his two tight ends. he told me one heart was a fat f. and lonnie johnson couldn't catch a cold. butt naked in alaska if he was. soaking wet so. i said to myself i say when i'mma when.

i'm not the hot new. freshman and i'm a junior what is he. going to say about me to get the next. guy to come to the school. right i really i really didn't like that. at all okay now you know. my knives down the mic so knives down to. miami and michigan state. no no michigan stays out it's too damn. cold. i tracked in that snow brother oh my god. i thought to myself. i can't do this for four five months oh. my god i'm a florida boy i had my people. stop. trying so i go to miami go to miami. dennis erickson calls me and say he want.

to come visit me. i said well i live 28 miles from orlando. international airport one thing you got. to do is get on 4 41 morning just. heading off. right you're going to get jet lag dark. when you pass apopka and then i'm saying. you're gonna see some flashing lights. say girls girls girls. there's a little topless go go joint for. the drive truck drivers if they get. ready going on up the road. i live right up right behind that there. you know about 200 yards. right coach he said i'm getting into. college. with craig smith i believe him i'm at.

the basketball. at the high school basketball gym. watching my girl keisha brown play. the you know you could call the pay. phone back in the day yes. yeah pay phone rings the gentleman. squeeze answer yeah. oh hold on it's my mama on the phone he. comes yelling yeah. i'm like what your mama on the phone i'm. like what. i run down to the phone i pick up on my. mom say this man sitting on my couch. breaking my teeth. where's you at i'm like oh [ __ ] i ain't.

got the phone. yo my homeboy we live like four miles. from the high school we race to the. house jump out. man i come in the living room coach he's. sitting in my chair with a big cup of. tea. man talking to my mom hear me coach. smith in there i go to. university of miami my mom fall in love. with enterprise it's over. oh you go to my do you know you go to. the u to play tight end yeah. what happened and then why did they move. you to. hey me and my homeboys i don't know what.

it was the private stock the barbecue or. what. from june the 10th to august the six. i gained 46 pounds. what no i go from 225. to 270. let's just say 270 like a nice. round. 270. i stand on this ski. 270 i'm like where the hell the fifth. grader that i ate. what the hell's going on so they they.

put me out there and they told me go run. a 40. so i gotta run 40. i don't even. know what this is. you know i come down the line don't. worry about go back over there. i'm like what was that like you just ran. for your scholarship i'm like oh my god. like what do you mean. you know my heart just dropped hey man. we didn't recruit no 270 pounds. we could 25. okay so you you gain 70 pounds.

and they move so how did how did they. tell you. warren we want you to move to the other. side of the football. and not play linebacker play d-line oh. no. i was going with the intent purpose to. go take jesse armstead's linebacker. position because. okay no my miami really didn't throw to. the tight end so i was just gonna go. play the linebacker. so i didn't gain i show up at 270. they. put me on a 3 000 calorie. a day diet i gained 30 more pounds i'm. 300 now.

just this this week three of the seasons. you know we don't win. beat arkansas 99 yard touchdown come. back so bob carmelo. just walks up to me god bless his soul. and says. young man i've seen cortez and russell. and uh another detachment he said and. you're better than all three of them. i said why i said man you lost your mind. man i'm gonna go over here and play. tight enough to lose me some weight i'm. catching me a couple ball. hey those your own comes in the national. champ coach lsu.

listen big fella i i've seen russell. jurong and all up. i'm telling you i got to film in the in. the closet over there i'm telling you. country boy you'd be better than all of. them so they trus. they convinced me to go run with them. for you know a couple weeks just run. right. they don't put me in no run drill. shannon they only allow me to rush to. pass. they only got me in pass this drill. right no. first teamer or second team guy will go. against me. they only give me the the the bottom of.

the barrel right. so you know i'm whooping them right i. got sneaky long arms and. you know i'm pretty i'm pretty athletic. so right man. i was thinking this is just like playing. tight in i just got to move in one way. go the other way. yeah i just got to move him you know. hips. man all of a sudden i got a taste in my. mouth and off i went though. did you know the history of the ud. lineman because as you mentioned jerome. brown jay boogie.

they got tears test came out with me. with your second pick in the draft. russell maryland but they had they had. danny. jim yeah the original threefold knows. reuben carter yeah they're on the wall. in the greatest room when you walk in. here. yeah that's that's the story that dwayne. johnson tells all the time. when i walked in the room because oh. jerome told me go in the room just sit. down and wait for everybody to pick. their feet and then you pick a seat in. the grinders room cause. these are cherry spots they don't just. right they don't let anybody in the. griddle. so i'm sitting in the first chair dwayne.

johnson coming through the room and. asked me what are you doing here. and i looked at him i said i'm here for. your job. you know me i gotta have some come back. i mean i ain't just here. i'm here for your job son so. then there's a freshman that comes in. ray lewis what was your first impression. when you met ray. and did you know he was gonna be what he. became.

okay you know you don't pay no attention. to no freshmen when they come in. and especially the last one that. that got to stop the raid that was the. last one rotated he was the last other. ship they gave out that. we planned and we trying to you know go. up in the season because. you know we we fighting for a national. championship right all of a sudden my. middle linebacker gets hurt. we got to go to colorado go play the bus. in colorado on the road. i ain't got no middle linebacker all of.

a sudden 17 year old ray lewis walking. in here still got sand souls in the back. of his head. shannon i ain't lying to you brother. still wet behind the ear. stands in front of this huddle and tries. to call the defense and go. i said whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa i said. son if you don't stand in front of this. thing. you don't stand like a man you're gonna. talk like a man you're gonna play like a. man did you hear me. he looked at me i got your big dog. cain's true ready. i said that's what it sounds like 20. tackles. in an interception later he was on his.

way to becoming that monster that we. know dawg. is it safe to say the starting middle. linebacker never got a job back. never wally pipton dawg we never heard. from base again. did you recruit ray no no i'm telling. you. the the hot recruit that year was jamie. german me and rohan molly drove all the. way over to fort myers. when he played better why i received it. yeah yeah the wide receiver that was the. hot recruit. in that year in 93 it was jamie german. in the yearbook. it was d ferg jamie german.

something like that oh deferred was in. 92 and then jamie german and uh. uh ray was in that class but he was the. last one he really wasn't a. highly retired highly tired guy he just. grew into the monster that we know. because he worked so damn hard at it. that's what he's thinking he worked at. it. dwayne johnson and i don't know if. people know this the dwayne johnson. we're talking about is the dwayne. johnson you think we're talking about. the rock he said warren sapp was. is the reason that i mean acting.

it's not bad what type of player was he. on a scale of one to ten he was a six. and i was just. and i was at eight in right so he's two. steps now. i mean he just he's an adequate player. but he wasn't going to make. that play for you you know right you. know he wasn't going to dominate the. game we're going to take it over but he. hold he'd be good enough for you to you. know not lose the game. right i put it in that terms so what's. it like to be on a field. you know you know i played i went to a.

small college and i'm the dominant guy. and so i know every day i'm the best. player out there but you go out there. and then you see all these other. five-star recruits and you see all these. other guys. that's gonna be future first-round picks. some of them gonna be hall of famers. wha what is practice like oh my god. cause you know back then. practice and practice we thought no we. put people on the ground ain't no no. they got to call us off you crazy no. taking them to the ground. we got a good thud but don't take them.

to the ground you crazy dog in. college it was a doggy dog world on. green tree practice field. we go out there man and just obliterate. each other. i mean just oh rohan molly ray they love. to hear. and then cj richardson was in the back. my safety no. you would get lit up because you know. what and i tell people it wasn't a. thought about. well i don't need to like hurt him. because we got a game to play. nah bro it is what it is hey we playing. this game dawg.

you better protect yourself that's why. it was called bang eight it's who's. the bank get big cause you're gonna get. hit regardless if you catch it or not. when when when you're in college and. you're playing with dwayne johnson. did you know he would come turn out to. be what he became. did he have that kind of personality did. he have that kind of charisma. listen he did but he kept it hidden. he's the type of guy that you'd let your. sister date i mean real good. guy real charismatic but the thing about. him was.

we always used to say it to him like do. it this football team don't work out. you're gonna go wrestling he'd be like. you damn right. and i mean rocky johnson was his daddy. and the flying snooker brothers was his. uncles. so it was in his blood he just took all. those sayings. that was ed oh jerome that candy ass and. shoving it sideways oh my god that's. what eddos wrong used to talk to us. if we had a bad practice or a bad game. that's how you used to talk to us just. like that. so when i first saw it because brooks is. the wrestling fan. right looks like you got to see this i'm.

like what what what man. i took over the tv got tony dungy to. make me late to the room. i was gonna watch something else on the. tv tonight man no no you gotta watch. this. so you know you gotta wait the whole. hour until you get to the main event. right so i didn't do a whole 40 minutes. of wrestling. at 29 years old i want to kill brooks at. this point right. come on man i could have been watching. i'm talking about derrick brooks derek. brook number 55 in your program number. 942 in your heart when it's wrestling. time cause he's gonna watch it.

and all of a sudden the smoke the lights. everything sets off and oh my god. my mouth hit the flow dog my mouth hit. the floor. i was watching my teammate and he was no. longer the guy that was behind me. he was up front and spinner the stage. was his and he was giving it to him. i i fell in love with i said you know. what dog we can watch the rock on. thursday nights in here now. you know.

of all the great players this is gonna. be i wanna i wanna get you. on this one who's on your mount rushmore. of um players yeah. yeah you got mike. ray lewis you got arie you got jay. boogey. you got taz you got chester birdie. there's one right here jim otto okay.

yeah jim auto. and then i'm going with jerome brown. okay representing the defensive line. i'm gonna go. oh michael irvin. because you can't have you can't have a. you you you you would have to play me. and then then i'm gonna bring it to the. to the new school. i'm gonna put it right now i'm gonna put. sean taylor up there cause nobody. is gonna argue with the great sean. taylor sitting on the mount rushmore.

that's my fault right there going online. d-line wide receiver and db because you. guys had them i mean you you think about. you didn't mention benny blaze. hot smell nope. come on adrian james number 336 going. into the hall of fame with us andre. johnson who's about to crush every rose. bowl. record in the history of the world they. had to call them off the boys out there. 2001. i mean we we got some dogs now we got. some dogs. the the kings team of oh one i believe.

that is the greatest team. in college football history when you. look at who they had on their roster. you look at the guys that went in the. draft in the first round. and you look at what they became in the. nfl. now if i give you the 95 corn huskies. the 0-4. trojans 88 notre dame 2000 oklahoma. where would you rank that uh 2001 cage. team number one. i mean number one i just can't see a. weakness. in that football team i mean it took a.

referee throwing the latest flag we've. ever seen in the national championship. game to get. to take that trophy away from us but you. know ohio state played a good game but. boy that was an. immense amount of talent on the football. field and. you tell my brian mckinney shockey. mcgahee poorness all of them at the back. back in the backfield got what 16 like. 16. 11 and 10. they got 34 almost 40 000. yards in the nfl it's crazy though.

you think about sean taylor was on that. team. ed reed and trail roll that's. john was the middle backer bill ma. uh uh uh they had vince wolf up. how good that team was because you're. running back with frank gore. willis mcgahey and clinton porter. supporters and you do realize.

until inheritance 2020 and frank gore is. still in the nfl. the third all-time lead in russia 16 000. yards. only two other men can say that in their. life on two repaired acl knees. and one of them happened in high school. yeah sap you go you go to the combine. what's what's your process he like okay. i did this i'm a unanimous all-american.

i've won the lombardi. i'm the baddest defensive player here. okay. talk about the interview process the. testing what's going on. nothing i was just there i effed up you. know man. sean salon god bless his soul that's a. good buddy of mine and you know we had. went through the whole little. banquet of you know all-american team he. was the offensive player he was the. defensive player of the year all over to. the heisman you know off the camp all. these things. and my brother won the heisman that. night and he pulled out a little.

little jump and me and him hit it. together and i put it down so that's it. dog i gotta go to the combine. 23 nanograms shannon and the cutoff was. 20. that's the and that's my life story in a. nutshell right there one silly night one. bad mistake. wasn't about the interviews because wha. what were you gonna say to me. i tell you to look at the tape i had 12. games and pick the game you wanna watch. at six foot two three hundred and twelve. pounds. you ran a four six nine.

did you think going into the combine. that you were gonna be the number one. pick in the draft. true jacksonville i don't want to go to. carolina. one nothing about me carolina any number. of prisoners and pig farms in north. carolina that's what i have. in colleges and a bunch of colleges i. give them that but. carolina wasn't a spot for me i wanted. to go to jacksonville i'd be in the. state of florida. have a chance to play in front of my. home state my home mom get to drive up. drive back you know that old that whole. thing you know you want to be home you.

know it's country boys. right when you look at it. kajana carter ends up going first. overall to uh. to the bengals steve mcnair third to. houston and then there's a run on. defensive lineman. kevin carter mike mamula derek alexander. what you're sitting you're sitting in at. home. and so what's going on in your mind no. i'm at the drive i'm in the driver. i was the first aaron rodgers buddy two. hours and 45 minutes baby they did your.

boy wrong up in there double take this. here. i i looked up and you know when kevin. carter went. uh six right after after uh carrie. collins went. fifth i looked at the list i said okay. pajama card had 1800 yards. but sally was a big bad boy over at usc. having now ran it through the ball all. over the world so i can't. i can't complain with that there fo was. michael westbrook that was the mistake. by the washington. football team we won't call them what.

they was at the time you know. we're going to be completely correct you. know we're going to stop it right there. and i'm just looking at the list so i. leaned over to my mama when we got to uh. mr brady in the jets screaming we won't. stop. that was that was when the building was. about to come loose right there if you. know jet fans want to kill somebody. like why we got a chance to get seven we. take a guy who caught how many times now. i don't know how many he had but it. wasn't very many right. outbreak so i leaned over to my mother i.

said mom they can take all the receivers. tight ends and whatever they want. but if they take one defensive tackle. we gonna get up and we walking out of. here that's that's the line i drew. shannon. okay yeah yeah you can take all the d is. linebackers whatever you think your need. is go take it but if you take ellis. johnson. i'm walking up out of here cause that's. a disrespect and i ain't gonna stand for. that. they take mike mamula with the seventh. pick philly.

he was the first workout warrior at the. combine that blew everybody away ran. four three five. jump lifted all that yeah rod jumped all. this yeah all that. yeah put the tape on so. it's going out you obviously you said. two almost three hours you're sitting. there. tampa's on the clock oh. man listen rosa house got a call. he tell me yeah i got i think this tampa. i'm like. you know at this point i'm i'm i'm done.

i'm like. tampa terrible. y'all got 11 straight double digit lost. season and y'all. questioning whether to take the best. player it ain't even on the board on. the whole damn drive that's left right. now you kidding me you couldn't trade. away three picks right now for me boy. and one was benny green was sitting. right there and told the people the. night before. the only person worthy to move up in. this draft the draft is one separate he. took derek alexander. i took that one personally god bless you.

so danny i won't talk bad about you. today. so i told him i so i get on the phone. saying white's like. uh we thinking about taking i was like. did you get this phone. i'm like you just get this phone man i i. i don't care anymore. i don't care anymore right now you know. i want out of here right now. i wasn't even planning on going to the. draft i was gonna be at home. a country boy in the backyard with the. barbecue they they gave me the whole top. floor to marry out my key. laid me out i got a broom with a hot tub. and everything in it i never had nothing.

like that. looking out over new york they didn't. bad though. you get drafted by the bucks you go into. town for 12 like you mentioned. they had at least a decade of. double-digit losing seasons. you had some i like the creamsicle. uniform because you got it they had the. cream circles they didn't have a new. the creams were real nice i made a deal. i traded harder nickels from when you. had the pro bowl. i got one of them creamsicle helmets. yeah that's what i need that when i need. that nine-nine.

i got you what was the first thing. warren sapp bought with some of that nfl. money. my mama house and my mama mercedes benz. 320. s-class i remember taking my mama to the. mercedes-benz place dog. cause i was gonna get her to drive her. new car over to the house. right you know because my momma had. never had a new car. in my life you know my mom got a funny. set well they never had a car ain't. nobody. else farted in. so you know we had to get that.

second-hand car. we get you got to do what you got to do. you had to let the seat up and get in. the back and nobody wanted to sit in the. back yeah. you know what i'm talking about so and. that ltd that long tough and dangerous. no yeah i went and got i went to the. mercedes-benz dealership with my mama. they had a liner i said i'm gonna pick. the color you want what what. what mama pick the color you want. and the color you want and then you got. to go test drive.

me my homeboy sitting in the back you. know the being big back then y'all you. know the. big old body my homeboy wasn't about. five seven he backed up swinging his. feet up in the air he said man it's like. sitting on the city bus. then i knew i had to buy it i said we. buy this thing though. we go drive around to the house so i got. my mom in a brand new car. i'd say drive over here to this address. but. okay she's driving over there we opened. on pocket violent road that's over there. the good part of town when the right. lane city amongst the lakes.

you throw my mom up on a 400 000 crib. upstairs a little spot hide away while i. can get it i can come in the garage and. go up there she won't even. throw me man pour the bedroom over that. big nasty pool on the back end covered. in. walked up to the door and i had the lady. standing there the lady. standing there she said you want to come. inside and look i'm gonna say i don't. know i don't want to look inside. i i i grab the keys for the lady i said. mommy you ain't got to go look inside. this one is your skinking. she said what i said what you going to.

do what you walk there. she went in there and went to crying and. you know how do you know. of course just one of the moments that. you just live for and. that was my day you mentioned rest just. so sam white. drafted you but tony dungeon comes in. tell me the the impact that tony had. not only on tampa but on you. was at the super bowl with john randall. and. derek thomas god bless his soul we're. doing a live challenge down in new.

orleans. and everybody that came up to me was. like oh you got the man you got the man. i'm like. and you know i'm a young player i don't. know who tony guns weather in kansas. city with neal smith and derek thomas. doing all that you know i i. and went to minnesota and him and money. is you know rich in this. this two thing together i don't know. that i'm a young player just trying to. get a feet wet trying. to you know not not fall out the league. in three years you know what i'm saying. right so they telling me all this good. stuff about tony. so i gotta go home i gotta go see this.

man and his brother so. you know i never had no black coach in. my life you know who doubles himself. i shoot back the camp i walk in this. thing i'm plowing through the building. he meets me i guess somebody told him i. was somewhere coming in the building. he said i'm looking for you i'm looking. for you i had to come to my office. so we went around to his office i sat in. the coaching first time i've ever sat in. the coaches i was looking at another. brother. i'm like boys damn feels good i can't. wait to tell my mom. you know you know you know what kind of.

man he is you know right. no he looks at me and said i want you to. do the same thing you did at miami. i said whoa whoa whoa coach do you know. what that entails. he said what does that entail i said. that's trump of the run. on my way to the quarterback he's not. like the way that sounds. and we never had another discussion. about one shot played though. he turned me a loose you do realize i. i think the thing is is that he. envisioned you like the steelers used. joe green. they're gonna put him at that under.

tackle and they say go hunt. dog he told me and brooks this after. you know he got us both together he said. you're j you. are joe green and you were jack hamm joe. green had. 10 straight pro bowls four world. championships and two defensive players. of the year that's what you're chasing. and then he read off jack ham the bruce. me and brooks looked at each other and. said look. we got some work to do. i said but it's gonna be fun brooks hey. man let's see what we got if he's gonna. let us play.

and have the freedom that he says he. don't let me go i'll play this man in. the dead a week or twice on something. you start they play your couple you know. you got a defense named after they call. it tampa two. he got a deep and then you become an. all-pro for four straight years. you make the playoffs you win defensive. player of the year. why why what were some of the reasons. you feel you weren't able to get over. the hunt with coach dungy. i thought coach was a little too nice.

and the thing about. indianapolis it gave him peyton manning. so peyton manning would drive the. offense and then he could come over and. do what he did to us. turn us into a fine-tuned defense that. understands the nuances and the. situational football and the time-outs. and. all the little you know all the little. things that little pebble in your shoe. that'll drive you crazy in a football. game. he could teach that team that but he. really didn't demand what he demanded. from this defense from our offense he. actually just three yards and punt the.

ball and don't turn it over. that that ain't what we needed we needed. we needed we needed some drive we needed. you needed somebody to hold them. accountable hold on coach. hey dawg tony used to walk in the room. and tell man nearly i expect nine sacks. this week and i'd walk in there on. two you may nearly have your head and. i'll be like what's up coach man i look. at the tape baby i'm coming here. i'm gonna try not to get diabetes eat. all this cake this week you know. i got i got some people i could take to. the house. coaching specs nine sacks i'm like man i.

said wait wait. if i get three where the hell the other. sticks coming from. you're in the pro football hall of fame. d brooks is in the pro football. hall of fame lynch is up so is rondae. what was it like playing with those guys. oh.

a pleasure a privilege. and an absolute pleasure i mean i mean. just. dog the world that they put in rondae. you know me and run they have a little. thing he'd be ready to jump the route in. the first half. first quarter i said rendez do not i. i boy if you jump this route and they. double me there's nobody over the top. and he'd look at me go. yeah you're right i said dog you can't. have it right now baby you got. you got to give me time enough to figure. out where this slide is doing.

and i'll let you know when i let. he was like he was like that that little. bench he had to hold him back because. boy he was gonna go. jump and fight that ball and go get his. hands on it boy. and lynch lynch would not accept. not hitting a man in his face you know. like we you know put your face mask on. right none of this none of this go low. hit you in the knee. right square in your mouth and. let lynch would have been out the league.

they took all mitch money. that's why that's why when you're a. dinosaur like that can they. put them in the museum with us you know. all of us we can't play our game like we. used to play double. man you can't. 1999 you you defensive player of the. year. but i believe you think you had a better. year.

a couple years later was that your best. that was your best seat do you believe. your defensive player of the year was. your best defensive season. no 2 000 2 000 my wife was pregnant with. my son. that i had winning that thing in the. off-season shannon and i hadn't worked. i mean i was having me a boy i'm on. nanny moon chapter second baby i'm gonna. call him deuce i had it all mapped out. and i was over there i was at the house. eating ice cream and. sour cream and onion and pickles you. know pregnant ladies.

i'm figuring out when it worked out all. day long i had to do all this i'm going. back tomorrow. dawg i stood on that scale week when i. was 326 pounds. i looked around i was like damn where's. the fifth the sixth grader that i ate. maybe. somebody business but tony. dungy didn't say a word to me that. friday i'm like man he's gonna come back. here get on this. thing man i'm gonna didn't say a word. i left up out there that friday came. back saturday we flying up to foxborough.

flying up that thing flew up there he. said world. sunday morning we got to one o'clock and. he said a word. dog i'll go out here and bill. belichick got max lane out here with a. big q-tip on his right hand. i said we'll shove that in your ear as i. go kill your quarterback. i think i think i missed you blesso six. times that day but i got him like one. and a half. so we fly back to tampa and have a good. time we want to know. sitting in the back of the you know.

monday monday stretch. i look up there's no brad culpepper. beside me so i'm back here by myself. they just drive to mcfarland so i'm back. here by myself. sitting back here ain't got nobody to. talk to on a monday after a good win. i look around and here he comes oh my. god we gonna have this conversation on. monday. about the win he walked up to me he. walked up to me and said. 326 huh i said coach you watch me come. in here. every day work my butt off i was not. going back to 1998 when i wasn't.

effective you know said. i said but it wouldn't come off coach i. don't know what it did. he said if you play like you play sunday. we don't need to talk about your weight. dog but we ate i had ten i have sat down. and that was you know that was the year. ray. won defensive player of the year we went. back to back. yeah back to back to back to back i. think he won another one. yeah we went back to back 99 2000 back. to back yeah and then that's. when it came to my stadium and won him a.

championship with my old quarterback. yeah it was a very memorable year for me. yeah. you also did something that very very. few defensive tackles get an opportunity. to do. you caught a couple of touchdown passes. now i remember the one against atlanta. and you you should have seen the dance. in practice dawg that that was a real g. version of what i was doing to practice. you just know this you know i was. cutting up in practice. so when they when they call okay you run. it in practice i mean you know.

you practice a lot of things but. sometimes saturday practice. and you don't call them in the game and. i'm like hold on why did y'all call it. in the game it worked and practice. call it in the game so john groom says. to me. on wednesday i'm gonna grow the legend i. said what. i'm going to throw you to football this. week so we practice it wednesday. thursday by the time friday roll around. brooks and them ain't even playing. defense when i go on offense they just. prevented me from doing this dance. though. that's how bad is that's not bad at that.

guy though. i mean we practice it two three times a. day you know short yardage they put me. in there do it. then go live we do it so i'm i'm scoring. this thing cause. you know this little little yo well he. don't he don't really know what i'm. doing i'm faking i'm an old tight end. you know i'm thinking like i'm blocking. him good you know give him a good punch. he pushed back i throw him on the ground. you know i'm going for this. you know they don't know about the whole. time today so yeah i just go. full time so friday roll around i. no way i told john i said don't even. call it today he's like what.

i gotta practice my play i'm like listen. they're not gonna let me score. man brooks and mitchell over there. guarding me dog oh my god. are y'all not playing the defense that. we play around here just so i can't stop. you ain't doing that dance no more. so that's what started it that's what. started you won't do that dance in. atlanta. the whole flight the whole saturday. flight you know what it was 56 minutes. from capitol atlanta. don't is he gonna do today is he gonna. do today i'm like yeah. i'm like john do not call this place.

he's like i want to see the dance. oh it was it was across the board that. he's gonna call it. and i gotta do the dance so it was. already set so. jesus go back a little bit. they relieve coach dungy of his duty. they're going to bring a new coach in. did you have a conversation with coach. dungey after they let him go. no i had a conversation with tony guns. before they let him go. okay that was the that was the scary. part because we were leaving. philadelphia after getting beat.

31-10 or 31-9 i think that was the two. scores he was going to cut back to back. here. and he was the last one to get on the. bus and that's never tony so he's always. ahead of. us then tony's there brooks is beside. him and i'm behind him. i get on the bus and he ain't there. and i look at brooks and looks like i. don't know so i sit down. so we get a little worried you know that. they fit to fire him. in philly at the vet after the game long. story short he gets on the bus and he.

says. we're safe we're good i just talked to. the owners. we good nothing's gonna happen man we. get back in. i think it was that monday they fired. him. tuesday i i i went to i went to see rich. mckay i said dog you got to get me out. of here. i said cause this ain't this ain't no no. no big dog big guy don't come down calm. down come down. we're gonna get a coach we're gonna get. look i said i said one other time i came. in your office and i actually get me out. of here that wasn't saying why shout out. to my rookie year and you told me it'll.

be a better situation so. i'm gonna see who you hire and what. we're gonna do before i actually trade. me. so back because that i mean you man. they had them they cut our chests out. they cut the heart out of that chest. i mean that man that man had taught us. how to be pros how to be. dads how to be fathers how to be mean. and. he didn't deserve that they bring in. john gruden they have a given kings. ransom two first rounds eight million. dollars. which i had never heard of somebody. trading for a coach but that's not here.

you know. yeah and then the glaciers said we'll. give you the money the draft picks. everything but won we'll give you. everything you ask for but. what what a concept though that's why i. love the glacier family to the day i. died that dog i was they first picked. and they would trade me with al davis. one of the keys ransom dog it was like. we'll trade you everything but object. you finally get an opportunity because. you know how you're going to be defined. if you want to be one of these premier.

tackles and to go down in history and be. legendary. you got to win the chip you got to win. the champ. so you make it you go on the road you. beat philly in philly for the. championship game. rondae barber jump that stick route. which i'll call a yogi. he went to he housed it you get to the. super bowl. what is your thought process going into. the game did you think man we got our. work cut out for us and you like. we're going to beat the brakes off there. we were just gonna go one play at a time. because that was always our motto.

one play at a time never know what's. gonna happen cole ahead behind. no matter what the scope we're gonna. we're gonna play this thing for 60. minutes and then we're gonna look up and. see what happened. it was just because we were the last. team to go straight from a championship. to a super bowl there was no bye week. right we had no we had no time to figure. and then we were living off east coast. time. on the west coast so we woke up tuesday. morning shannon at 4 30 in the morning. suck our head out the door me rondae. brooks. lynch michelle calls simeon rice. uh dwight smith we had a meeting at six.

o'clock in the morning. we went to go turn on the film cause we. were just sitting there twiddling our. thumbs in the middle. we were up dog the wife smith looked at. that tape and said i'm gonna pick that. pass off that slugo scene when. yeah just standing there and throw it. back on that hitch twice he took it to. the house though. it was it was set in stone. it wasn't one of those we don't have an. easy night we just had to go put in the. work that we needed to put in. because you know how it is in a football. game i think big mo get the swing on you.

and all hell can break loose. you exactly right so the o2 bucks. defense. we got the 76 dealers 85 bears. 2 000 ravens 13 seahawks 15 broncos. ravens. you like that you like that one hit that. 2000 ravens d. dawg y'all y'all one y'all y'all once. going touchdown. and that little flute player and that. little flute pass you caught him took. off for 97 yards.

that's the wildest play every playoff. history dog i'm like what the hell. i mean it's what that dog i used to tell. ray we invented football. but y'all wouldn't have perfected that. thing dawg and did it with my whole. quarterback too dawg y'all even thought. guilford how not to pick six. at that point in time you know all we. had to do is not turn the ball over. the likelihood of you driving about 70. 80 yards against that defense. it wasn't gonna happen it wasn't gonna. happen. do you think somebody will ever break.

the ravens. scoring they gave up 165 points. in in 16 games do you think something. you don't think that. no they didn't build the autobahn in the. middle i'm sitting here talking about. tom brady you're gonna need 40 to beat. it but i'm a defensive tackle. you crazy we got a whole new leaf we. enjoyed right now baby this thing. wide open so let's let's get that over. and let's ride online. things did not end where you would have. liked it to in tampa.

why did you leave tampa and then why did. you go to the raiders. they made a decision that ethan. mcfarlane would be able to do my job. i mean you know how this is it's a. business decision i mean right john. gruden told me when i got on the phone. when i you know woke up that morning it. was free agency marvin lewis made an. offer to drew rosa house. two minutes before free agency open they. had a florida state workout somewhere. marvin lewis is on the phone i'm like. well go give me 20 million dollars for. four years and i'm retiring after that. because i want to play i want to do four.

years and i'm retiring i had already. mapped out my retirement after i was. leaving tampa. john crude i got on the phone groom told. me uh give me an. hour paul mike brown said get him. out for me to accept his offer. so i waited 56 minutes called rosa house. back i said take mike brown's offer i. jumped in my car went down to one more. place. i cleaned out my locker it was over in. town that fast. are you disappointed that they didn't.

make a better attempt. to keep you you are a cornerstone player. no. no i had uh i'm like a bad cold when i. didn't ran my course let me go. i ain't one nothing you know we we had. won a championship together. my name was gonna be on the wall and you. know my. what i did in temple was sketch and they. had them put a statue of me up in the. one book place. i was happy. so it's a choice between the bengals and. the raiders. all of a sudden al davis got on the.

phone and saying and i woke up. i mean i went down to miami i was at the. heat game and. frozen house called me six o'clock in. the morning al davis was on the phone he. said he's not hanging up in two years. mike brown didn't have a chance mike. brown said he would you know hitting. against himself and all kinds of other. foolishness that's why the bagel's out. of things. the al rested so he always he would. always ask you to be out there. stretching. and you see you run by specially great. players he would always come put you put. his hand on your shoulder. so you'll want to be a raider yeah yeah.

oh he he loved collecting love. collecting. he did love collecting great players. so you you play i think you went we. played two years or three years in. oakland. four four you let it go you said i'm. done. and you were coming off a great season. your last season you played really. really well. well the year before that i had 10 secs. too but. uh trust me when you walk in the locker. room and they talking about how much.

money the guy on the tv making and. how much juicing that and whatever it. was it wasn't about winning. i won 15 games in four years and trust. me it was not about winning you know i. won five. pro two and four games in four years. i didn't lose like that in tampa though. and i damn sure wasn't gonna fly. 3 300 miles to go get beat like that and. it ain't no. sunny place over there in the bay area. baby and i was living in san fran. other than the lazy man trepino on. tuesday afternoon over there the wharf.

that i ate every tuesday. nothing else would keep me going back to. san fran. you were also in oakland when randy moss. came. talk to us about that situation and why. didn't it work out with randy and. oakland. they ran the hell out of randy man they. made this man run so many goat routes in. practice that it didn't make sense and. then. kerry collins got there and kerry didn't. want to throw in the ball because he. didn't believe that this was open when. randy did this he was open. i said kerry throw the ball well he's. not open i'm like. what's gonna happen either he's gonna.

catch it. they're gonna pass in the finish or the. ball is gonna hit the ground. they're not picking it off throw him the. ball he wouldn't throw it. he wouldn't throw it he would not throw. it and then we went to andrew waters and. us oh no. no you know i had 11 of them 17. quarterbacks they told me. from rich gannon up to jamarcus russell. right. oh boy. you retired for 13 seasons 434 solo.

tackles 96 and a half sacks. second high four defensive tackle behind. johnny ramble 19 fourth fumble. four interceptions you didn't want to. get the hunt you didn't want to get to. uh. that that scene oh what did you think i. was doing that last year. i i was looking right at it i had i had. 94 and i had i had 94. and then i get two and a half well 93. something like that so. yeah 94 then i aim with 96 and a half i. had 94 sacks i only needed six though. right it was only two years of my career.

i didn't have six sacks. well three my my rookie year my first. year in oakland in the year i told my. rotator cuff and open the three years of. my. 13 years i hadn't had six sacks i was. like i get this at midway. oh and then you're like. when did you when did you know it was. over. monday night all right we go to seattle. this week. 15th that night randy miles dropping the.

ball on monday night football i mean. drop by four or five of them you know. what i'm talking about yeah we just up. there we up there playing mike hunger. you know mike holmen loves to play that. wide open style dog. i had my all white jordans on patent. leather his monday night football i know. my mama watching dog i'm finna do this. michael jackson though. he hears this thing dog i sat cynical. wallace three times that night. i'm dancing all over the field i call my. it's my birthday month too you know. be simple baby so i'm driving across the. bay bridge that that neck that monday.

morning call my mom on speakerphone. i'm like mama i know you saw your boy. last night cutting up on monday night. football. my mama said boy if i want to watch. somebody get killed i watch law and. order. what my mama said if i want to watch. somebody get. killed i will watch law and order. she was worried about you hurting seneca. wallace no she was telling my andrew. waters getting sacked. nine times my quarterback.

oh the boy hey. they made my mama turn off monday night. football though. my mama couldn't even join me up there. doing my thing cause she was so worried. about edgy waters. i called him andrew the frame the. toughest screw to ever do a turn and. shot shaq baby. they did they put that boy through. something boy one time for dufresne baby. put up the stink the shot. arizona state baby you. you retire and then you get the call.

the hall of fame what were your emotions. like when you got that call because. you're going to football heaven. you know what it's like dog you can't. you can't control it you can't stop you. you're trying to figure out what to put. on who to call. you know the homeboy is yelling that. [ __ ] i mean i don't know what you had. cause you know i. i didn't have this knock on the door. thing you didn't have that either you. had nothing no. no no see i had no knock on the door. either so i mean i was i was with my.

homeboys you know what i'm saying we had. i went to two sisters and had a crawfish. brawl down in new orleans you know. i i had to take my mind off this thing. dog because. somebody was gonna get told some very. choice words if they were gonna tell me. that you know. you gotta wait a year what what for what. for who you know my first game in the. nfl was the for who for what game by. ricky waters baby yeah you know me i was. ready to ask him. but no i was just so happy and and felt.

so blessed to be put in that position. dog because. you know i i've seen chris carl you know. i i held chris carter. chris scott was in year six dwayne. robinson was in year 30. curtis culp was in year 27. you know. what i'm saying so yeah we have a whole. band we got three first ballots and then. we got 27 30 years. bill parcells you know chris carter you. know whole mix. in my class so i got a true appreciation. when you get to the hall of what it is. to be. in that vip room well you know sam you. you know hey.

you know you couldn't be without. incident you know you you kept some. ish going skipping through skipping. the basketball that's what it is tony. tony dungy was there. with me for eight years when i was in. tampa. and i ran out that locker room the same. way every time. tony knew i was coming out there and. tony laid him out there when i went. bouncing through it i looked at him and. he smiled at me and i nodded and he got. it i would. this was nothing about intimidating. anybody it was just my route to work dog.

the fastest point between any two the. passing distance between any two points. is a straight line i used to go from. this corner. to that cone and i'm not stopping for. nobody i'm not gonna bump into. man you know you can't do sap you know. how that thing is supposed to work what. you know. let me ask you a question what if. somebody came skipping through temples. it doesn't matter they come skipping.

through you brooke's liz they just come. skipping i'm in the back i'm already at. the end zone i'm all in the back i mean. somebody else got a hell of that don't. don't worry about it we we're gonna have. 60 minutes to worry about this don't. worry about it we finna get up close and. personal don't worry. don't worry about all that you know what. it's so much. brouhaha brought in the foolishness and. levar errington played into it and chris. collins worked big enough it was nothing. man. i'm not finna fighting no football game. i'm from the goal sought your. quarterback. you have an incident with the green bay.

packers oh. you get a pic and you do the crack back. or chad cliff tell the people at home. for the don't know give him the backdrop. of the story. and what transpired listen it was an. interception. and he was being lazy because when when. brian picked it off. first thing i do is look at the. quarterback cause that's the guy you. want i mean i looked at brett. and brett take off running he laughed. i'm like. and i looked and i'm on the outside and. the rest on and already took off this. sideline so i looked.

and clifton was being a little lazy i'm. like ah so i take off running to go get. it. and my spidey shoes go off some say. he's in range so i so i so i peek out so. i turn. and hit a fool you know because you know. the rule if the old lineman ain't in the. screen they get fined like fifteen. hundred dollars they gotta be in the. screen on the interception at the time. so i know this because the other. alignment have told us. so i peek out the car to my eye and me.

right there so. i'm a f-16 fighter pilot i got tone. i give him a nice little he goes and. takes off and. it's unfortunate that he hit the ground. that hard and he tore his hip up. other than that other than that damn him. zap. you know that bad three first of all. lion when they used to flying in the air. like that. hey ain't my fault you better keep the. feet on the ground and keep your head on. the swivel.

he's got a responsibility to protect. himself too don't he. you know dawg you can't do that though i. got a couple rules you can't do that you. can't run through the stress though. you know you know the reason why they. pat you down. they used to take the certain people and. rub them down silicone. me and brad cold pepper go to. indianapolis in 1998. he tell me hey i got some silicone i'm. like what do you got. what is that he's like yo he put the. towel over his head say spray me down. i'm like what are you talking about so i. go.

we go out there jay lewinberg put his. hand on brad the first play the next. play he. shoot this ball 15 yards sideways we. recover this thing on like the 15-yard. line driving in for a touchdown we win. the game 31 to 28 though. they all they come looking for brad. looking for me i mean dog that we the. reason why they check people for silicon. that that was a that was an old trick. back in the day i don't want to devour. too many secrets but there's a lot of. secrets that go. that you and i both know we did that.

wasn't supposed to i didn't what. i didn't want silicon i was not gonna. put it on me dawg i was not putting the. foreign substance on me to go play this. game though. i would if you can block me you can. block me but i don't think you want to. tangle with a life. let me ask you a question sap and. today's game. is a lot different than when you and i. played they got this thing called social. media. how would you have handled it and do you. believe. because i think and i tell people all. the time i said it's more difficult to. play now. given the set of circumstances that.

these young athletes have to deal with. we didn't have any of that dog they have. their own personal little. cheering section but it also could turn. pretty damn nasty too. yeah because you know the twitter is a. cesspool you just got to be able to. weave through it with your little boat. oil and figure out where the clean water. had in the clean conversation cause. boy it's a whole nother animal but it. also gives them a chance to really do. their branding thing dog that. really we could have did something. special with that but. none of us would have been married.

though i don't think no. no i think i think the biggest thing is. is sap. is that it gives each individual player. his opportunity to show a side of him. that. they don't normally wouldn't yeah you. know normally yeah yeah. but i think they take it too far they do. hey dawg how you got these people hyped. up about the game and i don't know about.

it. why the hell did you put it up on the. board. you used to be in the uh the nfc. north and that division with the green. bay packers you had some historic. battles. with brett farm what made your battles. with brett so legendary. it was just two country boys that'll get. kennedy friends and come out and play.

into the sun go. down you know how that is baby you know. you keep in school it's 77 to 70. we got the ball man it's dark out here. no dog you got to give us one more shot. that's that's that's how it was though. that's what it really reminded me of. the talking the back and forth banter it. was about what was in the program don't. we. talk about what was in the program how. much i weighed and all this other stuff. and i mean it just was just silly stuff. that is that is that what you. love most about brett because brett was.

a talker he's like that was a good shot. sap. he threw a touchdown i got that one it's. your turn. he kept it going oh yeah and whenever. you got somebody like that. it's just a cat it's almost like that. schoolyard let's go. let's go tit for tat buddy i'm gonna be. right here waiting on you when you come. back in here so. it was just two country boys that just. loved the game. immensely and just loved to compete. though and he was the best. he's the best three-time mvp and a world. champion right in my own division. and i got him twice a year i'm gonna get.

real acquainted with him. you what d lyman. reminds you warren sapp of warren sapp. today and rogers. i mean aaron donald it ain't even funny. but he does it in a different way yes. yeah he does it so much more finesse but. boy when you get to that quarterback boy. he nasty with it when you get to that. quarterback. oh boy i mean he banged him fast boy get. it back let me tell you. something let me tell you the first time. i saw him the first time i saw aaron.

dawn i'm looking at him and i'm like i. look like aaron donald. but no he too little to be aaron donald. ain't no way that ain't no way he's. gonna play. tackle that size. low man wins man. the weight i think the thing is skip. except the thing that he can do. that you guys can do and the really good.

one can do they can bend. and they can turn the corner see a lot. of people they got to run that big old. arc but this dude can run that tight he. can get past you. and then and then ben and he's right. there on the quarterback. it's definitely around that corner like. tupac used to say baby like bruce smith. used to drag. knuckles when he came. that's an art to be able to play with. that kind of leverage. and to and you know this app more times.

than not you're getting double. the center gonna hit you and then he. gonna leave you for the guard. ain't no ain't no why i got in one ping. pong they playing ping pong with you. and it ain't triple the points for you. either. so you get into the business you're. going to talk about football now. what was it like transitioning and how. difficult was it. to make the transition because you know. like when you you're in the fraternity.

to be really good you're gonna have to. be really honest. dude ain't playing well dude ain't good. so i can't just sit here and say he. played well when he not. and you gonna rub a lot of people the. wrong a lot of former players. and former you know teammates and peers. the wrong way. and you know what i always said brother. well i try to fit in when i obviously. stand out i'm just going to tell you. what the tape said i was one of them. dudes who always looked at the tape i.

want to watch the tape because. i watch michael irvin i watch marshall i. watch them build those relationships. where they call. guys every week and they have that. conversation i don't want to hear the. lies. because you know the tape ain't gonna. lie i understand a lot. after i watch your tape i'm gonna put it. out there and i think. i was one of those guys that was too. honest for the you for the youth. because i put a tape together one time. for jj watt. and i showed him i said you don't want. to put tape out like this though. and i didn't get a reply back after that.

so i left it alone i said i guess. i just got to do my job and they accept. it or they don't accept it but. i ain't got to be friends and do this. well see that that's how i am i don't do. a whole lot of calls. now if in the offseason you want to ask. me about the critique or what's. something that you need to do. but i'm not gonna really call you during. the season because i know you're gonna. lie. i don't need it i know what i'm. listening i know what i'm looking for. you making you make it seem like i. always been in the media you forget i. played now these guys don't lie when i'm. looking at that eye of the sky.

i know exactly what's going on dawg come. on stop playing. what's been the most rewarding part of. playing in the national football league. and what's been the most rewarding part. of your post career. most rewarding part is the ability to. take care of my family. and the people like yourself your. brother and all the great people i've. met. in the game because there's so many. people around the game that you get. to me and the doors that it opened up. for you you don't have a little country. boy. that was raised on a dirt road that is.

named after him you know what i'm saying. this just the whole experience and my. post. just the freedom dawg to be able to go. where i want to go go. put my fishing pole in the rod you know. go in a holder. sit around go if i want to go [ __ ] if i. want to [ __ ]. that freedom dog because when you pull. like we was. you got handed down your jeans you got. handed down your car. everything you had with somebody else's. so right now i go eat what i want to eat. i go where i want to go and i. get that how i want to get there baby.

sap we got to do a fishing trip. we're going to take off you know we're. going to do the most fish we can do the. biggest what you want what you want. you want the lakers you want to go out. there with my hand. whatever you make it easy on your face. no no no i make it easy on you because. not everybody likes to get out where. they can't see. land well see first of all i already. know you can't beat me fishing in like a. pond or a river setting. that's not what you do i'm gonna come to.

your backyard. i know you like to get out of that water. right there stop. i'm gonna take you to the bear monday. pond there's eight thousand. you ever caught a bear of money there's. only two places you catch them in. australia or. saint cloud orlando where i'm from i'm. gonna take you there and we're gonna go. there. are we going for the biggest or we going. no no most the most it's. it's like football we want the most okay. well you know these catches don't you. you want the most touchdowns.

i don't want anybody to know this thing. it will be posted i. will be live i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm. gonna stream it we're gonna. find a place for the people to stream we. got instagram okay. long as we ain't got no music playing. that somebody's gonna report it'll go on. okay well we'll just do the thing bro. you know i appreciate you coming up with. me we talk all the time anyway so. i figured i might as well get you on the. podcast because we talk every day i mean. we talk. talk too much both of us talk too much. and i got this for you we gonna do this. uh after super bowl week because it. ain't but 60 miles from tampa to orlando.

okay well we get it done then yeah and. then we're gonna go then we're gonna go. out there we're gonna catch we're gonna. fish for a marlin or two. [Music]. we can do the big grouper if you want to. do the big grouper no i don't want that. because you can't keep. it man i don't want that goliath i don't. want that i'll die so. but we only go catch fish that we can. eat yeah what ain't you a country boy. yeah yeah but i ain't really i ain't. really trying to clean uh somebody else. gonna do all the cleaning you know. what is country club fishing what.

look all my life been running all my. life.

sacrifice plus will pay the price wanna. slice. got to roll the dice that's why all my. life i've been grinding all my life. [Music]. you know what to do hit the subscribe. button to become an official member of. club shayshay. where we always do something before. tucson.