Tabitha Brown Almost Converts Shannon Sharpe To Go Vegan & Chance/Tabitha Break Down Their Marriage

if I think I'm going to eat something. that has Dairy I'm gonna take like keep. lactating while we do that. because I like eye cream sometimes and I. want to eat some. chicken because what. my stomach they don't agree with my. stomach what. we want a slice got to roll a dice. that's why all my life I'll be grinding. all my life all my life been running all.

my life sacrifice possibly pay the price. wanna slice not to roll a dice that's. why all my life I'll be grinding all my. life. hello welcome to another edition of Club. Shay Shay I am your host Shannon sharp. I'm also the proud of Club Che and the. lady that's stopping by for conversation. on the drink today is the Emmy nominated. NAACP award image Award winner New York. Times best-selling author globally known. and beloved social media personality won. a tick tock's top Creator a vegan icon.

Platinum plant-based activist Peter 2020. person of the year a mogul entrepreneur. seat CEO and actress producer Rider host. fashion designer uh why America's mom. and Auntie Tabitha Brown tap. did I need anything else no how are you. doing this thing I'm doing amazing how. are you ah man I am doing this is an. unbelievable honor for me when doing my. my research on you I'm like wow I'm just.

not hearing about you but you've been at. this thing for a minute oh yeah I've. been doing it for a long time yeah I. think in the second phase of my life. which has been the last six years when. most people found me right. um is what how most people know me but. I've been pursuing like my dreams and. entertainment for over 20 plus years so. when people refer to you as America's. mom or everybody's favorite auntie how. does that make you feel do you are you. like don't be calling me no Auntie oh no. honey I love it yes it's a term of. endearment it is a term of endearment. and also like for the term America's Mom.

I had that on my vision board for years. and nobody knew that really but I wanted. it because I wanted to be like Claire. Huxtable okay okay I was growing up I. looked at her like oh she's America's. mom so I wanted to be dead and I thought. I'd have a show as an actress and get. that time but people call me that just. for being me so so when you were growing. up you're from a small town in North. Carolina yeah Eden yeah my stylist is. from Reedsville shut up Hollywood. Hollywood is from Reidsville. so come over to 33c.

we got to know each other. so when you're growing up so what did. what did little Tabitha want to be when. she was growing up oh I wanted to be an. actress you want to be an actor you. started very early about five or six. watching The Cosby Show okay and I. remember telling Mama I said Mama I want. to be Rudy's friend that ring the. doorbell Nick okay Peter would come in. and he never had nothing to say but I. didn't like that right I had something I. wanted to say right and so she said oh. you want to be friends with Rudy I said. but only in the TV right I didn't know.

what that meant right and she said oh. that means you want to be an actress and. so I spent all my childhood trying to. figure out how do I become this thing. called an actress right and so I my. whole life that's always been what I. wanted even from a small town in North. Carolina you dreamed you dreamed big of. somewhere being far far away from North. Carolina never forget in your roots but. you wanted to be Hollywood I I just. wanted to be on TV right I was always. the one performing at the cookout Sunday. dinners all that you know my daddy would. buy me uh joke books okay so I would. studying them all week and so I'd be.

like oh this weekend at the cookout at. the Sunday dinner I'm about to perform. these jokes you know it's just always. been a thing I love did you did you. being from North Carolina obviously I. have a I'm from rural South Georgia I. talked with a heavy colloquial dialect. you're from North Rural North Carolina. and so you talked with that dialect also. did you take classes to try to remove. that or you just let alone who you are I. covered it for years. foreign. from Corporate America uh being told. that you got to cover it right and then.

in entertainment being told you know I. say I'm country I sound ignorant right I. believe that and so I took acting. classes and you know learned how to. cover it but I also learned how to code. switch very early as a little girl. watching my mama talk to bill collectors. and change her voice I'm like oh that's. how we got to talk about right you know. talk to family friends one way talk to. exactly and I did that right but I did. it for so long you know I kind of lost. myself a little bit right but now these. these last six years has been my freedom. walk right and I never covered anymore.

what did people say because a lot of. times they say oh you trying to act you. know what they would say oh yes and so. so how how did how did they receive when. you code switch. well it was a normal thing okay right A. lot of people met me and didn't know no. different right because that's how they. met me right right so now when you know. some people I met years ago they they. see me now they're like you didn't used. to talk that way I was like yeah because. I want free right but now if you had. ever came to my house and you was with. me and my husband and my daddy and all. my you know family you would have always.

heard this right if I was comfortable. enough with you right but yeah so why. was it so important to get back to. Tabitha's original Self and not let. Corporate America change because if you. change your voice you're changing who. you are because a part of who Tabitha. Brown is is that North Carolina right. you know it was just about Freedom like. I had lost Freedom you know when you. start to conform to make other people. feel comfortable and you code switch and. you're trying to fit in it's not Freedom.

right right and so when I got sick my. prayer was to God was if you heal me you. can have me right and what I meant in. that was I'm not going to try to be this. Tabitha I created no more I'm gonna be. who you created me to be and that means. kill me you can have it and that mean I. had to be like that yeah I love that and. I I've been letting him have me right. for the last six years every day you. have a lot of sayings I mean you're my. you know people hear me on and I talk. about what my grandmother and my. grandfather would say like hello there. like so like that because it's my.

business have a good day and even if you. can't don't go messing up somebody. else's day that's my dad and my dad. have you always because I've never I've. Shouldn't Say Never but for the most. part when I watch you interview and see. you you're always smiling you're always. so happy have you always been this. person I have always been a joyful. person that's what my husband always. says he's like that's just it's always. been the root of who I am right I choose.

Joy it's a it's a intentional Choice. every day right it doesn't mean I. haven't had bad days or bad times right. but I've also had a long bout of of a. dark season and I know what that looks. like and it ain't no fun right and so. I'm intentional with my joy and with my. happiness and I want to spread that. right so it's so it's very important for. you to be positive even though you're. going through things even to see people. see you and you see smiling like oh hey. they think you don't go through right. right yes but it seems to me that you're.

very appreciative because you know where. you came from you see where you are and. where you're heading that you're very. very appreciative My grandmother used to. say and when we didn't have anything she. said boy don't be ungrateful to God oh. yes she said you you got you woke up. this morning didn't you that's right so. everything else is a blessing after that. that's right that's the gift. wow that's the gift so now that your. struggles you you I re you tell talk. about how you're struggling because. everybody see the last six years of. Tabitha but there was a period in which. we didn't see this Tabitha right what.

were those times like. um those times where you know I was. living right so I was pursuing acting. but I was a wife and a mother I have. been for you know almost 22 years now. um a mom and been my husband for 25. years so we were working and trying to. build and struggling and uh from North. Carolina to California back to North. Carolina to California again but always. pursuing the dream my only dream back. then was acting right I couldn't see.

past that right I had put myself in a. little box and so uh that's what it was. but I always had a job right I used to. work at Macy's I used to work at UPS at. a call center in North Carolina what. type of employee was Tabitha oh now. listen and it was always a good employee. okay I can go get a job right now okay. right right now I can go get the job I. ain't never been like I can see why you. worked in the call center yeah you see. hey how you doing today exactly but. that's where I learned the coverage. right you know yeah I asked you about we. see the last six years of Tabitha and we.

talk about obviously you talked about. the time that you was going through and. you said something you said you were. living but is there is a difference. between living surviving and thriving. yep so you wanted to live to survive in. order for you to thrive. that is correct I like it very good yes. I guess I guess I guess we're the king. and queen queen of slogans. yes absolutely so yeah so when when. times got hard and you you met I.

remember growing up when people left in. the you know used to go to New York if. they go to Chicago they go to Detroit. and came back home they're like oh you. don't bomb that you got high on the hog. you had to come home right right it was. like you were a failure so how did it. make you feel you left North Carolina. you go to uh California and you have to. go back you know in the beginning I was. against it right I had moved to. California thought I was moving to. Hollywood but I was down to Orange. County somewhere. my husband was my boyfriend at the time.

and he came out I had been out there for. like three months I didn't tell nobody. how bad it really was right you know I'm. renting this room this woman is pretty. much taking all my money I'm working two. jobs I'm 19 years old and so when my. husband came out he was like man you. ain't doing no acting you ain't we're. not even in LA right like you struggling. to even pay bills he was like this don't. make sense and it's expensive right he. was like we need to go back to North. Carolina where it's cheaper save up. money for one year then we can move back. to LA where you can really pursue your. dreams right and so I was like man I.

ain't really want to do that but it. sounded like a good idea so I was like. all right so we moved back but we saved. up a little bit of money so that we can. move in have our own apartment there and. uh we moved to Greensboro okay moved. into the city okay okay okay and so uh. and we were there the one-year plan. though turned into five years and a. forgotten dream because you know we. ended up having a baby and we were both. working and we got a house and we had. cars new responsibilities and I just. thought I missed out on that opportunity. I convinced myself I couldn't have it no.

more right so yeah you so you weren't. embarrassed to go back you didn't and. then when you had a child and you see. you say okay and your husband talked you. into going back and you say we got one. year it turns into five years and then. you like damn at your lowest how bad was. it you know what even then I don't think. it was my lowest okay right I think that. I had just convinced myself that this is. what it is okay and so it wasn't until I. mean I was working at a call center I. had promoted to Supervisor okay.

okay I was like 21 and I had people. under me that was in their 50s okay yes. and I was probably making I think 30 000. a year I was bawling yeah we was doing. very well good money back then right and. so I was like this is aru's team like. this is gonna be it and one morning I. woke up it felt like an earthquake had. hit Greensboro my bed shook and I heard. a voice that sounded like Thunder and. the boy said this is not the life I. planned for you.

and I got on my knees because I got very. scared and I just started praying I was. like God is this you speaking to me I. need you to show me a sign today because. if not I think I'm going crazy I'm gonna. go check myself in and I told my husband. what happened and I think he thought I. was crazy but then later that day we was. on our way to the mall. and on the radio uh Buster Brown who was. the local DJ in the time he came on the. radio and he was like this is Buster. Brown I got a new TV show on the WB. Network and I'm holding auditions. looking for a female co-host and I could. have bust the windows out the car I went. crazy in the car was like that's my sign.

that's that's that's that's my addition. I gotta go and I went and I I booked. that job and that's what got me back. into dreaming again got you in the TV. you're like okay but did you did you. lose aspirations of being an actress or. you says okay TV is my end point to. maybe to something bigger no I just that. was my my sign to get back into it. however I started doing that I was. producing my own statements and. interviewing people right kind of like. use okay so when I was in Hollywood okay.

Hollywood I guess that's a sign right. and so then I uh I started back doing. theater okay community and then I would. drive three hours to Wilmington to do. extra work on One Tree Hill okay because. I was like I need to know what it's like. to be on the set right so that I can see. like how everything works and then I did. all that for like a year and then I told. my husband now it's time to move back to. L.A yeah I read where your your mom had. passed and it was a very dark time for. you seemingly you would do some. depression so what was that time so how.

did you. deal with what you was going through. because I'm assuming you're very close. to your mom yeah and then to the shift. you're like okay I know my mom would. want me to do what yeah so when when my. mama was sick it was uh it was a tough. time you know because me and my husband. we were still very much so newly married. you know we've been together for years. right but we were new in Los Angeles. right so I was going back and forth to. North Carolina to help take care of her. okay so just that time and to know that. it was a terminal disease my mama died. young she was 51. wow and so those three.

years were hard in itself right but I. feel like it was the time that changed. me the most uh but in the best way you. know when you see somebody who is. amazing right my mama was a light and. she was a master at giving Grace and she. loved people and she never complained so. I saw my mama go from being this amazing. woman she was a social worker she was a. pastor who wore heels every day and was.

you know out all the time to the point. where she was trapped inside her body. and could not move because she had ALS. and never one time did she complain and. I remember talking to her and I remember. asking her you know mama if you could go. back. and change and not be sick would you. change it and she said no and I said you. wouldn't go back and change not getting. sick. she said no that means God has trusted. me with this journey he knows I can. handle it.

and that stuck with me right it stuck. with me and then just to see her go. through it so gracefully. and always have a smile on her face. I always took that and was like I gotta. do something with my life you know so. when she passed away I was like okay I'm. gonna take any job I can just you know. in acting and I did a lot for like two. years stuff that nobody need to really. see. I was like I booked it okay I'm gonna do.

this movie that's when you know the uh. straight to the DVD yeah yeah yeah yeah. yeah and all that I had like five movies. in like one year all went to like DVDs. and and it was you know but I mean it. was great I mean of course I joke about. it but I'm glad for every role I took. back then right because it just. validated that I was living in a dream. that I had right uh and also that my. mama told me that this day would come. but back then I thought that was the day. she was talking about when you I hear. you talk about your mom when you ask her. if she could go back and change anything.

even with the debilitating disease of. ALS she said she wouldn't change a thing. is that what allows you to stay so. positive because you saw the journey. that your mom was on and no matter what. you was going through ain't no way it's. even comparable to where she's going he. plays a large role in my everyday life. in my everyday life even like right now. things I'm going through I'd be like man. I hate that I'm going through this but. there's nothing compared to that wow I'm. reading you a UPS worker Macy Warehouse. Uber you worked at Macy's in Central.

City yeah I worked in office at office. yeah so you're an Uber driver okay yeah. what type of Uber driver did you get it. what you get one star two star three. star listen you know I was the best. super driver I did it from October of. 2017 to December uh or yeah December. 30th right 17th and I was the best Uber. driver I know how to read a room though. right I know when people don't want to. talk to me okay okay right but I also. was like in my mind I'm about to get. discovered in my car okay so everybody.

that I picked you're gonna cast the. directors I thought. I think I picked up maybe one person who. said they was a producer and I was like. yeah you you ain't no producer but you. keep speaking it into existence right. but I would every time somebody was like.

hey how you doing you know you know so. you get so you pick me up uh-huh you. gonna introduce yourself you say hi I'm. Tabitha what's your name what type of. music do you like to listen to I have. some water have some wipes have some. mints in the back I have all that God. come on dude one star one star one star. I had a good Chrysler 300. okay okay it. was a nice Classic 300 okay um now when. we had the fires I did go to the Rite. Aid and get the mask for the people just. before code okay wow cause I was telling.

people listen the ashes was falling. right I was like I got a little mask. okay right here but the water and stuff. I couldn't afford all that now I had. been on disability for over oh I was. just getting back on my feet so what. y'all gonna get this mask that's the. best thing you mentioned you're on. disability what transpired you you. follow them you no I got sick sick I got. sick uh in 2016. okay and uh I had a. headache in the back of my head and the. headache was there every day for a year. and seven months and I started having. chronic fatigue in my body and chronic. pain throughout my body and I just could.

not get well and going to the doctor. every week week and every month and. doing blood work and all kind of like. MRIs everything would come back normal. they couldn't figure out what's wrong. with it right and so um they just told. me one day they were like we know that. it's something autoimmune making your. body attack itself we just can't figure. it out and so of course when somebody. tell you we know something wrong with. you but we don't know hey hold on y'all. with all this schooling y'all went to. school for 10 15 20 years y'all know. where to get all these yeah and y'all. don't nobody know nothing no no so that.

caused me to fall into the dark. depression so now you depressed because. you've got people that's very very well. educated yeah and they can't diagnose or. tell you what's wrong or how long this. is going to go on this is very true yeah. well yeah you try and stand up I did.

I mean UPS Macy's Uber stand up. um. what made you decide to do stand-up were. you for any other child oh always comedy. is natural for me right okay but I told. my daddy used to buy me joke books right. we used to watch uh stand up all the. time I did it was a big Richard Pryor. thing yes Jerry Clyde were like all the. okay like we used to listen to the uh. records and let's listen to Comedy and. then deaf Comedy Jam when that came. right it would record them all I would. play them over and over and over uh so. it was just a thing that I loved and I.

respect right and so when I was trying. to get a TV show because I was acting. and acting and I was like man these. comedians keep getting TV shows. so that's what I did it that's why I did. it trying to get a show so you were good. so did you get booed no never. really never so why'd you give it up I. gotta see it oh so when I got sick you. thought about going back. um not really every blue moon people be. like you you just.

I think that now what I do uh. it has to stand up in its own way right. right but uh I realized why I love stand. up so much it is really to make people. feel well right and I do that anyway you. do your personality you walk into the. room you walked into the room and you. have this big smile this may and this. you're like full of energy and Vibrance. it's like even if I'm down like damn she. happy so something must be good about to. happen to me because she just came to my.

side so when I go back outside it's. gonna be it's gonna be sunny again. absolutely so. you didn't meet anybody in L.A. how did. this start to take off I read that you. did a uh you critique. Whole Foods a vegan the sandwich. sandwich yes and from 50 000 views to a. million views and that was really the. launching of the jumping off point for. you yes so I was driving over right this. is December 30th of 2017. I have been a.

new vegan for a couple of months so I. had just started doing videos in these. couple of months to tell people excuse. me when I find a new vegan option or I. would cook in my kitchen right I'm gonna. share with you right and so I had. dropped somebody off by Whole Foods and. I was like oh I need a little breakfast. Whole Foods always got a vegan option. yeah went in there and I never heard of. vegan bacon at the time I was like oh I. got a BLT in it but it's vegan let me. get that well they got to play baseball. again. and so I got it ate the first half of.

this so quick I was like oh Lord I need. to do a video to tell people I found a. new vegan option so sitting in my car I. did the video posted it I went on back. to drive an Uber I didn't think anything. really of the video because I was. already doing videos and they weren't. getting like no thousands of views they. would get like a couple hundred views. right a couple thousand over a couple. weeks you know and so when I uh got back. home and turned my notifications on that. video had like over 50 000 views wow and. then I was like well who watching the. video I don't like I don't know and then. the next morning when I checked it again.

it had over 100 and some thousand I was. like I told my husband I think I'm going. viral right and he was like what that. mean I was like I don't know he was like. well you're gonna make some money I was. like I don't know I don't know that. either but four days later Whole Foods. reached out on Facebook and my DM it was. like we saw your video we'd love to work. with you honey the recipe in history. ever since then so Whole Foods reaching. out in your DM you're mispronouncing the. sandwich room oh yeah they ended up they. ended up saying okay we're gonna call it. what you call it yes it was originally. tlta for Tempe lettuce tomato avocado I.

called it ttla okay because I was just. excited and I thought I said it right. but I said it wrong and so they changed. it to TTL like did you go vegan because. of what was transpiring with your body. the autoimmune deficient the the thing. that you had going on and you say you. know what I mean meat I'm putting all. this processed food in my body let me. try this yes so I went vegan my daughter. came home from school one day during. this time of my sickness and she was. like we saw this documentary at school. today mama I think you should watch it. and it was worth the health on Netflix.

right and so we watch it together and uh. I told my husband I was like um and they. started talking about not all diseases. being hereditary is that they can eat. the same thing that can cause the same. disease in our family and I thought well. my mama died at 51 of a rare disease. there's no cause or cure right and my. daddy was the first man to ever turn 70. in our family wow and people died young. in my family and they get sick at Young. ages right and so I thought well the. only thing we had in common was how we. ate and I wasn't a bad eater right right. because you know I was in Hollywood. right but I wasn't eating to feel well.

right I was eating to look a certain way. right and that's not the way to live. right right and so I told my husband I. was like let's do a 30-day vegan. yeah okay. because I mean I had taken all the drugs. the doctors gave me because I was a. guinea pig you know you don't know yes. whatever you want to offer me I'm. desperate to feel better. shots in my head shots in my I was doing. everything so we did it for 30 days in.

the first 10 days the headache I'd had. every day for a year and seven months. disappeared and so I was like wait a. minute that's how I look see that little. thing you did with your head that's what. okay okay okay so I figured I was like. you know what I'm on to something and. then after the 30 days I was getting. energy again my pain was leaving my body. and I was starting to feel like myself. and I was like you know what. this is gonna be my life I'm gonna go. vegan right here I am almost 60. on 30 days he said babe I told him I. said I'm gonna be vegan but I'm not. going back he said that's so good for. you but tomorrow need a piece of chicken. yeah yeah I know what I'm thinking I'm.

like I feel good I ain't got no. headaches my stomach don't hurt and I. got pretty energy yeah I said you know. what that's your business right but he. did it two years after I was being I was. vegan for two years and then he decided. on his own he watched a different uh. documentary game changers and that's. from athletes in a man's point of view. and then he did it himself and was vegan. for two years and then he recently went. back to eating fish and chicken yeah. yeah right on. did you know social media had the power. that it had before you went viral no I.

didn't think anything really of social. media you know when you for me as an. actress I was always told you don't get. on there right right nothing good yeah. it ain't gonna take you seriously and I. kind of believed that kind of like I. over the years of me believing other. things that the industry told me right. um but I was doing what God told me to. do right I only got on social media. because I had a dream and I saw myself. on the show right and I have always had. the gift of dreaming and seeing right.

and so when I woke up and I asked God to. reveal that to me because I was like I'm. sick I'm not out auditioning I'm not. doing stand up how was I on the show and. the words that I heard was started doing. videos and I was like oh no Lord I'm not. about to do these videos I don't I don't. do that yeah I'm an actress right okay. um but he was very adamant God was just. like you this is what you need to do he. said when you were trying to get a show. you were doing stand up you was reaching. 15 30 people a night he said but if you. start doing these videos you'll reach. thousands of minutes and I was like Lord.

I ain't even got thousands of people to. reach in me and it's like this don't. make sense right and then he reminded me. of the the moment in the bathroom when I. had said God if you healed me you can. have me right so which meant I had to be. obedient right so when I first started. doing my videos I was doing the same. like jokes and stuff I would do on stage. as a you know comedian but I'd be. sitting on my bed or sitting on my couch. it had nothing to do with food right. then over that time when my daughter. came home and I decided to go vegan the. moment I told my husband I'm going vegan. the whisper in my ear was now tell.

people what you're eating in your videos. and I was like. oh Lord I got to tell these people I'm. vegan I'm from North Carolina yeah yeah. this time I had also shade off all my. hair so I did the big chop I was like. Lord if I get on here and tell people it. ain't no challenge like it's my life. right this is a lifestyle now this is. not 30 days 60 day 90 Day Challenge this. is this is gonna be yeah I was like. they're gonna be like that girl finally. lost her mind after Hollywood but I was. like I can't care about it I got to be. obedient and do what God has called me. to do so I had Steve Harvey on a couple. of weeks ago and he said yes it was.

amazing thank you and he said the number. one killer of Dreams is family and. friends when you told your husband yeah. about this dream about this Vision you. have it seems that I've watched a lot of. your videos that he's been so supportive. in your dream well you know I'ma let him. tell you eventually but yeah he used to. think I was crazy oh okay okay okay okay. okay. God showed me this because I had like. I talked about it in my first book right. he I've always had the gift of seeing.

whether I'm awake or asleep I could see. things that nobody else sees I can hear. things nobody else hears cause he's. talking to you he's talking to you right. and so I would and he's showing me. things right my dreams and my mama would. always tell me that she's like you know. God gave you the vision not anybody else. correct it's up to me to make it. manifest so that others will become. Believers right but that's you speak it. so that they know it is real okay and so. you know there were many times I would. tell him and he'd be like okay back all. right you know he would go along because.

he loves me correct not necessarily. because he he believed it but now he'd. be like dang everything that you was we. living in the dream now do we ever come. up and say baby you thought of something. else. I think that everything we judge you in. terms of it goes to the way you thought. about you thought about something yes. yes you listen I let him tell you so. what a social media platform I mean. obviously it's Instagram Facebook. YouTube Tech talk what's what's your. preference.

reference but I started on Facebook. Facebook right that's my original order. right right and which is uh my older. audience yeah because I thought Facebook. was like for family reunion class. reunion hey how you doing right hey you. know we went to school together but. people are all really on Facebook really. on there they really on there and they. are loyal yes um and dedicated to their. people right and and my I don't know. you're following you I call them family. right nobody more loyal than my thing. right they show up for me right and they.

and I and I have Instagram as well I. mean I have them all right Instagram is. huge for me as well right uh but I've. never cooked live anywhere else other. than Facebook oh so are you the social. media Oprah. no but people call me that they just. allow me a lot be like you are. but you're cooking but you're giving. inspirational talk yes as you cook and. sometimes I'm not cooking it all right.

and you feel you're right yeah was your. did your mom is that did you where did. you get that from or where did you why. uh where did you and why did you decide. to add that aspect to it that was always. a thing that I have inside of me like my. friends my family they know like I'm. that person that would always pour into. other people. um it just it's a natural thing for me. but I you know after I went through my. season of The Darkness. I was doing whatever God called me to do.

right and I still am so when God put. something in my heart I'd be like okay I. need to share this with somebody it. can't just be for me right yeah you so. celebrities obviously everybody uh CJ my. producer his wife is here says and this. is the first time she come on the set or. the second time you brought a family. right there in the green oh hey girl. she's like I gotta meet Tabitha I got to. see Tabitha I. so many people when it's like who you. got on the podcast I'm saying I got. Tabitha man tell the top of the bro tell. her I love her tell her I love her. everybody seems to love you there's.

nothing bad to be what does that make. you feel like when so many celebrities. uh we understand the the fan base but. but a lot of famous people no Tabitha. Brown loves Tabitha Brown. I mean I feel grateful right to to be. loved. but the most I think the most important. part for me is that people just love me. just for being me yes you know so I feel. like family and I think that's what it. is for people people just feel like I'm.

part of their family too and that's. intentional for me right like I want. people to feel like we family you seem. so approachable you seem so down to. earth you don't give the like don't come. talk to me I'm busy I'm in a hurry you. give the vibe like hey how you doing. come talk say hello just introduce. yourself I'm going in I'm going in for. the hood right I'm like hey how y'all. like I love that but I also like how. dare I not have time for the people who. help me climb right you know I am in. this position a because God said I could. have it right but because people support.

me right and so when I have events you. know if my team was here they would tell. you. I have events and if there's a meet and. greet you better not put a Time on it. for me cause I'm gonna see every person. right like literally it will go from. hour to 10 hours right because you you. having a conversation you're taking a. picture and you're having a conversation. hey how's your day going yeah you know. my mom loves you. you like. obviously before you had a team and. before people got your number obviously. you have a team you have a business. manager a lot of the things that with. transactions that were happening was in.

your DM you said uh uh Whole Foods. reached out in your DM absolutely on. Facebook so do people still reach out. and try to and want to do business with. you yes absolutely even though you got a. team that you like and you don't always. pray before I go into my DMs because I. need to I always say God let me see what. I'm supposed to see right because. there's so many I never see them all. right. um but there's still people who can't. get to my team because you know some. some things depending on like you know. when your agency is Big right they won't. entertain things right but those are the.

ones I I'll send to my other team and be. like I want to do this yeah it ain't. about the money it's about the people. wow so but you also have to be careful. because for every good deal that could. potentially come along there's a scam. and the one thing that you don't want is. the ding on Tabitha Brown's name you. work so hard for this reputation in this. pristine and you like to keep it in fact. so what's the process of going through. says okay. is it your husband is it your team that. you get down to it and says okay I think.

this might be this is something we might. need to entertain or something like nah. I'm gonna stay away from this. when you mean like if you come in the DM. yeah yeah if you're coming to DM like. I'll send it to my team and be like you. let them Betty yeah bet this and see if. it's real right yeah and then but then. also I don't say yes to nothing without. prayer right so I pray about it and I'll. say okay we can move forward I sure. appreciate you praying about this. because.

I'm doing this. but you you you've done so much I mean. you have let's talk about the spices. because I have a a friend of mine and. she says tell Tabitha that I bought 15. of those of us spices my mom bought 10. I said why the hell y'all. talk about they sell out yeah they yeah. in the beginning. the first time I dropped Sunshine was my. first season right uh it sold out I. think in 26 minutes online and so I had.

no idea I was gonna do this right and. then we released it again and then maybe. like six months later it broke the site. for McCormick and it was so it sold out. in like 46 minutes probably sold out. quicker but the site broke it so when it. got back up it took about 46 minutes and. so then we were like we got to put it in. stores right online it's just not it's. not yeah so now it's available. everywhere now I have new spices right. uh that are now literally rolling out. the spring of summer I mean you name it. and now you got a hair care product uh. Donna's recipe yeah cause this Donna in.

case you didn't know it's Donna okay she. on vacation right now yeah yeah Brave. case yeah so so what made you decide to. come up with spices because you said you. want to be an actress you didn't I. didn't hear you say you want to be. Martha Stewart or some cooking expert. right but now you got spices you cook. how did you transition how did you weave. your way and navigate your way like okay. I'm done with this let me come over here. so as I started doing the videos and. cooking right I was like literally.

letting God order my steps so as I'm. cooking I'm reading comments people like. tab you need your own spices and I'm. like. I guess maybe I maybe I do need my own. spices right but I don't know and you. know I'm the first year I'm just cooking. and I'm talking I'm cooking and then uh. I thought about it I was like you know. what I do use a lot of different spices. and I'm really big on being salt free. okay right because I know like my family. hypertension exactly especially with. people of color as well yeah and so I.

was like if I could do a spice it would. have to be salt free and so when I first. started working uh organically with. McCormick it wasn't even really a. thought I was like oh this is great I. can use they stuff because my granny. used them my mama used them right and I. just continue to use it and they were. like you ever thought about doing your. own spice I was like actually I have and. it was an organic thing right but also. because my people wanted it right so I. wanted to give them what they asked for. right so how did the hair product come. about so Donna's recipe uh well you know. with Donna I did the big chop and so as.

she was growing out I had a nice little. Pro in the beginning a little small one. and so I also have stenosis in my neck. from a car accident right and so for a. period of time I had to lay flat on my. back right so my hair started in the. back okay and I was like oh Lord I need. to find something to make my hair strong. again to make it grow back okay and so I. started trying to find different. products but a lot of products had. chemicals in them and I was like well. I'm on this new journey of being vegan. and I had had that headache for you know. the year prior I didn't want to just put.

anything back on my head especially you. know that's going to seep into my you. know my pores correct so I started. trying to create my own with like. essential oils and natural oils and I. just couldn't get it done on my own and. so I was doing that for almost a year. trying to like I was like a chemiston. right right right in the house in the. bathroom and so uh my business partners. my business partner now Gina Woods she. came to me and was like I had this idea. Donna should have her own hair Carolina. I was like girl I've been trying to do. that for a year you know and so she.

presented her idea to me and my husband. and I was like okay this is kind of you. know already what I was doing anyway so. that's how it came to be but it was. really because I needed a product for. myself right and once I figured out the. formula I was like well I can't keep. this to myself right I want to share it. with the world so what have you learned. about entrepreneurship and business. because a lot of people now we see a lot. of saying okay I won't instead of taking. a fee up front Okay let me take a. percentage of the company let me get. there so let me get that so what have.

you learned because I read where you. like yeah some people got me in the. beginning they they they they they did a. number on me they they got they got you. girl yes so in the in the very beginning. doing brand deals and Partnerships I. didn't know that business I knew sag. right I knew the union acting world. right and so I had to learn it I'm glad. they got me because they won't give me. again yeah okay and if you come back I'm. gonna get you in half okay okay. um so I learned a lot that way right but. the one thing I learned is that people.

will show up and try to act like they. are. um they have your best interests right. but you got to be like you have to use. your discernment right everybody don't. have your best interests a lot of people. want to pull from you and gain from you. right and even try to take your your. business yes you know they'll think that. they own you right so I'm always making. it very clear that tap is not for sale. you can do business with it with me yeah. but you don't own me right and you don't. own my brand right so uh that's the. thing and you just got to be very.

careful with business and with who you. do business with you cannot trust. everybody yeah you cannot trust. everybody okay. no matter no matter what they say no. matter what they say no matter what no. matter what color either okay no matter. they can look like you or not but you. cannot trust everybody I get okay you're. doing doing spices I get everything you. make your spices most spices are created. but how do you get in touch with a lab. to try to do a hair care line product.

that all of a sudden people ain't. looking like Kojak women ain't looking. like Kojak because that's the last thing. that you want. won't believe that believe there's. another job it's not on there I used to. work in contract manufacturing right so. I know you avoided Jamaica yeah no way. you got these kids 12 jobs I did that. for like five years. you know wellness and beauty products. wow and so I already knew that so you.

had a background you had a background. and so you understood I understood it I. understood the lab I understood you know. testing I understand the formulation I. understood shipping and all that stuff. wow you know. Master P is always preaching about. products so what do you what do you love. because he's like you got to make money. while you sleep you cannot man you got. you got to get your rest and you can't. cook 24 hours a day and you can't make. Beauty Supplies 24 hours a day so what. is what is Tabitha the most proud of. what she's been able to accomplish thus.

far oh. oh I think I'm most proud of is I've. done it all just being me. that's that's my my biggest. accomplishment never conforming in this. season of my life right. um you know. I I really think that's it you know and. also family is the most important thing. to me yes you know being a wife and. being a mother and never uh sacrificing. anything over that like that's almost. proud of that. being the next professional athlete I.

felt that I had to sacrifice that I. missed a lot of things with my kids that. I probably shouldn't have but I felt. that if I didn't I would always look. back and said if I didn't if I'd have. studied if I'd have worked hard if I'd. have trained harder I'd have missed. something. it seems to me that you've done a great. job of not only. being there for your husband and for. your kids but also being able to. go forth steam ahead and accomplish was. that a big part of what you wanted like.

I'm not sacrificing any part of my. family to make one extra dollar. for me I'm blessed because I have a. husband who's my partner right who. literally says babe go I got it you know. and I have that so when I leave I know. that my children are taken care of now. we only have my son in the house you. know my daughter is grown now but I know. I have a safe space for my son and he. knows that Mommy is working right but. when it comes to Major things I'm not. missing it but I don't care how much. money it is if my son is about to.

graduate fifth grade and I looked at the. calendar and was like what y'all put on. my calendar on this day I can't go wow. like no they were like what is this. amount of money I don't care right he. gonna graduate one time from fifth grade. right I can make money any day right. right so it's those major things that. are important to me. um and my husband would say like I I. also still am human so I'll even have. parent guilt where I'm like dang I miss. being able to take him to school every. day we literally was just having this. conversation I miss the normalcy that I. used to be able to do I used to take my.

son my son and my daughter to school. every morning pick them up make their. lunches cook dinner every day was that. was my life for a very long time but you. understood that that's part of the. sacrifice that those are some of the. things that you're going to have to give. up in order to accomplish what God the. vision that God gave you and set you out. on this journey you understood that. there were some of the things you're. gonna have to give up I'm understanding. it every day right it doesn't mean I I. enjoyed that that feeling every day but. sometimes I miss it right but I also. look at my life and how blessed I am and. I'm like oh okay I'm still doing a.

different type of work that my family is. reaping the benefit from you secured. over 56 major brand deals Dunkin Donuts. Sabra Pizza Plant I mean you just have. so much going on so. how does Tabitha walk into a room you. know your worth you know they want to. come in and give you 25 of what your. worth is so how do you go in the room. since nah it's worth more than that but. still be yeah I'm not gonna be able to. do that. is.

so this is nice I thank y'all for. letting me come yeah but you know what. it's gonna be enough for me I'm I'm so. grateful for today yes I appreciate the. opportunity yes thank you for thinking. of tabs yeah yeah but no yeah it's a no. potato yeah so then they come back and. says okay so Miss Brown. how do how do we make this partnership. work well we start about this what you. said in the beginning that about about. how it's going to go you know for me.

depending on what it is sometimes it. ain't about the money right sometimes. it's just about whatever it is I'm like. this don't serve me right right it's no. amount of money that's gonna make it. with me right and then it when it comes. to the money this is the thing with that. you always have to realize there's no. amount of money enough for what I. deserve it's only a like I'm I'm. Priceless right okay okay it's what I. will accept oh right there's no amount. of money you can offer me that is what. I'm worth right I'm worth I am Priceless.

but there's an amount that I accept to. partner with you and work with you okay. that's the difference and so I just have. to make a decision do I want that or not. I'm gonna keep that in mind I'm. Priceless you are Priceless but. for a nominal fee I'll be ready to. partner with you that's it I like that. yeah so that's you that's that's your. mindset going into it you do you have a. do you have a normally when you go into. a deal do you have a dollar amount Do. you have a. have you surprised yourself with some of.

the things that you've been able to. negotiate oh absolutely. yeah you know. I definitely. I've remembered. like one of the first times of asking. for a crazy amount of money just to see. what they was going to say and then when. they say yes I said damn I should have. asked why not yeah yeah that was that. with your husband. more than that no he would have like. yeah well I was good with that man. the next time you know so but yeah.

you hosted a vegan competition so. you only eat vegan you have to sow you. how much is your time is sitting around. trying to come up with different vegan. recipes because like you say you cook so. much but you have to understand because. people most people have eaten meat all. their life and to get them to try this. and to make them like it because that's. the thing people eat what they like. that's right and so how do you like okay. you just go in the kitchen like babe I'm. gonna go in the kitchen I'm gonna see.

what I can come up with tonight I'm. gonna see what I can come up with today. is that how you do it it just come up. with it it literally throughout the day. if I got a taste for something that's. what I'm gonna make okay right and. sometimes I'll dream a recipe one of my. most successful recipes is when I. dreamed and I woke up there morning did. a video and said yeah let me say about. the dream I had it was a vegan deviled. eggs and in the dream I was like but but. with eggs but they're real eggs though. right no they're mushrooms. I took the white mushrooms because I did. this in a dream and I was like I don't. know but I'm gonna see if it's gonna. take so you can so you can't eat any.

Animal product I do not no. yeah. I'm with you I'm with you a little. different she got to go on this journey. alone I don't I don't you know when I. first did I did to save my life right. right right and now after six years of. being vegan it becomes a thought where I. now connect the animals to the food oh. okay yeah yeah now I ain't gonna lie to. you though I still miss a crab leg do. you oh honey you're not people count. sheep yeah count crab legs in my sleep. I'll be telling people you know during.

the day when I'm awake I'm vegan but. when I'm sleeping pescatarian because. I'll be eating crab legs in my dreams. what about ice cream you know I mean you. don't miss sweets or like like cake and. cookies do you all that stuff you still. you just don't use it real eggs and you. don't use butter and stuff like that. there's vegan butter there's vegan milk. that's all this stuff and I can you have. to come to the house and eat okay but I. don't bake I'm not a baker and I was. already allergic to milk like most of. the yeah most of it yeah yeah I keep if. I think I'm gonna eat something that has.

dairy in I'm gonna take like keep. lactate with it say that again if I. think I'm Gonna Leave something there I. keep lactating with me why we do that. because I like ice cream sometimes and I. want to eat some cheese. eat the lactate because what happens my. stomach they don't agree with my stomach. with all the taste that you're looking. for without the bubble gum well.

Hollywood and I we did have some big we. have some vegan barbecue deal with. Hollywood Hollywood Toyota see. I'm having some oat ice cream or some. cashew ice cream. it's amazing Hollywood you down. I'm telling you it's very good I was in. Hollywood. you had a restaurant but you never. opened it no I opened it you opened it. and we closed it yeah it was too many. problems with the building the landlord. another thing where I said you can't. trust everybody yeah. and so we had to close it down because.

it was just too much uh damage that he. would not fix right so do is it opening. another restaurant is that something. that you like to do I think if I do. because that was a partnership that I. partnered with kill my name right kill. my name I love the restaurant it's still. open in Chicago and so I just partnered. with him to open that one here in La if. I do it again it has to be my restaurant. right obviously be a vegan oh 100 but. are you is it going to be like. um breakfast it's gonna be lunch it's.

gonna be brunch oh uh you know I gotta I. have to make a decision to do it first I. think my the big Vision that I have. would be like a retreat right and on the. the location of the retreat like you. know an oasis right where you can come. right that would be kind of like a bed. and breakfast there right but like a. home house where you can come for. breakfast and you can come for dinner. type of thing but that's like a a vision. that I have for later have a company. ever tried to change the way you do. content oh yeah. even after even after the success that.

they've seen you enjoy. they're still willing to try to change. what you do how you do. yes but people are crazy in the world. they know but they know what they did. they love you and then they say we love. exactly what you do now we want to show. you this video and then they played a. video in people don't look like me and. they say if you could do it a little bit.

like this no. there you go. yeah yeah it's a no for me do people. when they look at you I think the thing. is is sometimes people the old saying is. that people take kindness for weakness. you have a smile all the time you seem. to be a very outgoing a very personable. person do you think people take that as. a weakness and try to try to get over on. you all the time. but I'm very smart. but they they will try it and I let them. I like to watch them do you get does she.

I'm gonna ask him do you get upset. yes but how do you but but y'all said. it's like guys y'all know I'm not gonna. be able to do that right well you know. it takes a lot to get me right okay. um most times when it comes to like that. type of stuff right it's not gonna upset. me it's just a matter of oh man I'm so. sorry that you didn't see me for me. but you know what I hope you found what. you're looking for right right but. that's not something that that's not.

that doesn't get you upset things upset. me is when you mess with my family you. mess with my money. and my time right because I use all. those things for my family right and for. myself. so how is it that I mean this is a you. know in content creators what you do. what you do there's a very large there's. a space for it but it's a limit of. people that's in that space. how is it are you guys friendly are you. receptive to one another is it Cutthroat. oh and I love everybody because.

everybody that's enough room for. everybody right so I never compared. myself to anybody I don't really care. what nobody else do it I applaud. everybody right uh we all different so. since they print money we shouldn't try. to cut backstab and undermine somebody. else to get to keep God asked for me is. for me what he has for you is for you. there's nothing we can do to stop that. so what God has set him for me even. people Hollywood you heard that. Hollywood you heard that Hollywood.

so. but you know look I'm not gonna break. this is not no interrupt the normal. schedule programming we know vegan when. we hear vegan we think of someone that. doesn't look like you oh yeah. when I listen back in the day and I've. said this many times when I used to hear. the word vegan I thought that it was for. white women who did yoga right I did. yeah and nobody was really vegan I heard. a vegetarian right right right right. right right and then I thought well if.

that's not the case it's the people who. walk around picketing you know and they. were in the you know the blood all over. them and doing that type of activism and. I didn't want to do that and so I knew. that when I made the decision to become. vegan I wanted to be a source of of a. different type of life and so I always. wanted to be approachable and I wanted. people to be curious and to want to try. it and so I did it with love and. laughter and a little bit of Comedy but. informative so I have probably converted.

I of course can you eat a number but. more people than any you know. traditional activists. um. more people than you can imagine coming. to me I'm vegan because of you I I eat. plant-based me and my family eat. plant-based now because of you and I'm. like I've never told anybody in the last. six years I've never told not one person. you need to go vegan never so how do you. so when you're at home do you cook vegan. for you and cook him bacon hamburgers I.

used to when we put when I first went. vegan that first year I was cooking like. them two meals and I was like I can't. keep doing this so then I just figured. out how to make all our favorite things. vegan and make it good and everybody. loved it so all my favorite non-vegan. things I turned them into vegan meals. so he got to go so he had to go out and. get if you want a steak or if you want. burgers or chicken well he don't eat. that he's chicken and fish but uh he can. order it or.

yeah so I'm looking at athletes of turn. vegan Chris Paul Kyrie Irving Venus. Williams lizzo so. I'm trying to figure out man how would I. be able to keep my my musculature and. stay you know strong you ever seen a um. a gorilla yeah what you think they eat. they eat grass but they eat 400 pounds. of it. no but they did but but.

in the beginning. had. but that's all they eat. I think the thing is if he had never. gotten a taste. it's hard to miss what you've never. tasted. well. yes and no right I think that you have. to have a very specific why okay right. uh eventually you're not gonna do dairy. anymore because you're not gonna like. how it continues to make you feel okay. okay. if meat was killing me.

I'd be crazy to keep eating that is. correct right yeah so a lot of times we. are reactive people right we do things. out of something happening so we react. to it instead of being proactive. proactive we wait many times we wait. until we get sick before we try to get. better right right instead of just. saying let me be proactively trying to. make sure I'm as healthy as I can be. right and so when it comes to me my Why. was life or death right I chose life and.

then I also got in my mind was like I. just don't want to eat dead animals. anymore I just don't like the thought of. it anymore right uh I don't even like. the smell of it when it's raw it turns. my stomach now I ain't gonna lie to you. honey I can smell a cook out of my way. be like Lord have mercy. somebody is cooking but you know that's. the difference in not thinking about. what you see. um but there's there's definitely a way. to incorporate it and form new habits. right and I always tell people this too. don't look at it as though you're taking.

something away from yourself look at it. as though oh I'm giving myself something. new to try right I'm gaining six months. six years to my life. maybe that's the way you look at it. that's the way because you said you had. had you let me ask you this had you not. had the autoimmune had you not had the. headaches for a year and several months. had you not had the the lethargy Would. You Do you believe you'd have gone vegan. no I didn't have a reason right not. necessarily but I may have eventually. only because of oh I heard vegans be.

skinny but then I got vegan and got. thick. because now that lies cause now I be. eating and eating right uh and also I. don't eat to look a certain way right I. used to starve myself but let me ask you. a question could you do you believe you. can be a vegan in rural North Carolina. because a lot of it because it gets hard. because you're in California you have a. lot of options in Carol and in in in. Canada yes you don't have those same. options especially in rural.

South Carolina Georgia are the rural. parts of the South I could be a better. vegan in rural North Carolina really. because you grow your own food right. most of our you know parents and. Grandparents were mostly vegan yeah they. ate what they grew they ate what they. grew and meat was a delicacy yeah they. only had it on a weekend yeah my daddy. was one of 12. my dad always he said you. know until you became bigger I never. thought about it but we only ate chicken. on Sundays he said we only ate pinto. beans and from the garlic beans.

during the week right he said well you. know we haven't we had you know we had. fat back in the green though. absolutely you know what I think this is. the part of the show we probably should. invite your husband off bring them on in. the room.

yeah and no backrest right there. you're not gonna be able to lean back. I'm sorry all right we're good they stay. behind every great man there's a great. woman. but I think behind every great woman. that's like your wife that has to be a. great man. because you have to be secure enough in. yourself because you kind of become the. afterthought and you seem to be very. very okay with that you guys have been. together over 25 years been together for.

20 years. when you started dating her did you see. y'all here. absolutely not. you know what it had. I didn't really have much Vision. um. people always ask me about it it's you. know very similar questions that I. always say. I wasn't with her for that right.

I was with tab because of how she made. me feel right right and and yes I. thought she was a little crazy. I was attracted to crazy. that's the difference right right so I'm. I'm with her because of. my attraction to that crazy I when she. would tell me. one day I'm gonna be on TV one day you. know whatever. I would get tickled well I would get.

tickled because I can look in her eyes. and you really believe this yes right. and it made her happy it made her really. really happy a happiness that I kind of. uh. I wish that I could tap into for my own. childhood and I remember I remember. feeling like what I've seen in her eyes. man at some point in my life I lost that. bro like you're a True Believer of what. you're saying right so whatever it was I. was like it I didn't really.

try to believe it I just wanted to keep. her happy and say all right man let's go. for it let's go as long as it's not. hurting us even though you might not. believed in it you never told her that. you like baby that sounds like a good. idea I think you can do it yep I would I. would and then it would be times where. I'd be like all right tab wait a minute. hold up like the story she told you. about moving right I'm always up to. thinking uh my thinking was what are we.

currently doing right right can it hurt. us right can your vision or this dream. or this thing that you believe in can it. hurt us if we ain't currently doing. anything better and what you're saying. can't hurt us. let's try Wow Let's go forward right. right it's not gonna hurt us so let's. put a plan together as long as we got a. plan and we got each other and. ain't nothing else going on let's go do. it let's try it you guys started. dating if you could say the eighth grade.

is dating in the eighth grade when you. saw him for the very first time. what did you think oh I saw him way. before eighth grade we've known each. other since about what fifth grade and. so I thought it was cute with his little. curly hair and stuff. but he was mean that's what I thought he. was I was like oh he got a little. attitude okay you like over tame it yeah. but then in uh in eighth grade you know. he was playing football and I was the uh.

football manager you know I had a job in. eighth grade. damn. that's right. I just be looking at them like you know. the eye contact and I was like I kind of. like you you know did you know she liked. you. yeah I was kind of popular back then. that was the man oh you you okay you. were popping man I was a man he was he.

was the man everybody liked chance okay. uh he had a girlfriend though what and. you took him and I had a little. boyfriend okay okay okay now this get. good so we went to a we went to a. birthday party. y'all came separate left again came. separate and we ended up kissing at the. birthday. help. help yeah. hey she kissed me no you can't leave. that in a minute we get that in a minute.

I'm talking about you two came with. somebody and y'all because. he won't hurt no way it didn't seemed. like you won't hear me either the thrill. was gone in those eighth grade. relationships yeah this was the thing. the eighth grade dance eighth grade. listen but this is the funny thing his. girlfriend was happy he broke up because. she like somebody else too my boyfriend. was a little hurt but. Junior High yeah but she has you know he.

was a man back then right yeah but you. know I broke up with him in eighth grade. hold on you kissed me hold up you don't. made the man break up with his. girlfriend did me dirty he's still he's. still yeah they did me after all these. years he still hold on to this yeah my. whole life. with my sister she older than me she's. six years old and she said listen you. better go to ninth grade to the high. school yes a lot of boys over there you. don't want a little boyfriend so I told. him I said listen we gotta break up. because my sister says a lot of boys. over at the high school I gotta see.

what's out there and so he hated me for. breaking up that's why you know in high. school he wouldn't even speak to me but. that's how I ended up I have a. stepdaughter because he had a baby in. high school so I always tell them see. I'd let you go and now see if I had we. had to stay together that's a great way. to transition I remember I read an. interview where you told your mom you. would never marry you would never date a. man let alone marry a man with a child. very true. what changed I was 15. okay we were at a.

basketball game at high school and. remember he couldn't stand me right and. so uh at the game yeah my mom was. sitting on the bleachers and he walked. up and he was standing on the corner of. the wall with his girlfriend. he you did it on purpose did you you. won't understand you got your little. kids here. to be honest with you I wouldn't even. think about her when she told me the. story yeah years later I remember it. right so I wouldn't think about it and I. looked and I just kind of like rolled my.

eyes like um you know whatever and my. mama was like I don't know why you doing. that I was like she was like I'm gonna. tell you what's gonna happen she said. that little girl gonna get pregnant and. they're gonna have a baby but that's. your husband I said oh you don't know me. because uh I would never marry a man. with kids that's what I'm supposed to. think at 15. right and so uh mama was. right. she was right on graduation day years. later on graduation day uh my mama came. to me and she said um go get a chance I. want y'all to have a picture with. y'all's cap and gown I'm gonna use this. that y'all wear and I said would you.

stop why would you say something weird. like that my mother-in-law was my. biggest fan she loves cheese yeah she. was my biggest fan and she used that. picture that I went and she was gifted. too wow yeah. your mom saw something that you didn't. see at the time you had like you would. have broke up with me you ain't want me. so yeah you did your thing and here all. these years fifth grade so your fifth. grade you're probably what 11 years old. 12 years old yeah all that time you guys. from the same Hometown yeah those same.

small small City uh but I would see him. in high school I would always have this. like little pain in my stomach when I. would see him yeah it was like a feeling. I always tell us guilt he said. you did be dirty right yeah that's good. that's what that is I went to college in. Miami right he went to college of North. Carolina and so I was there and one. night I woke up in the middle of the. night he was the only person I could. think about and I was like just thinking. about all the years that I would see him.

and I had this pain in my stomach and we. had kind of became friends again in our. senior year right and I just had this. thought of like I think I'm in love with. him and so I found his number in the. middle of the night by the time I called. him it's about 3 34 in the morning and I. called his kept calling the room his. roommate answer I was like I need to. speak to chance brand it's an emergency. and so when he got on the phone I was. like I know this might sound crazy I was. like but I think I'm in love with you I. was like so I just told him I was like. all these years I would see you and I. would have this pain in my stomach I was.

like but I I'm thinking about all these. different things and if you don't think. I'm crazy. coming back tomorrow at this number he. ain't saying nothing on the phone. and then I thought you were crazy I had. to stall out a little bit. [Laughter]. [Music]. you had felt the exact same way yeah you. know um the crazy thing is I held on to.

it my entire. High School School uh. years right and I would see her I see. her in passing and I it was always. something about. this one particular girl who all she's. always been. full of joy. like and it was a feeling that that I. always say um that only my mom could. give me. that can make me feel like I can do. anything right that's what I remember. the right time the entire time now I I.

didn't start living a whole different. life I'm in college and went through. High School playing sports popular by my. own means right and nobody could ever. make me feel like that besides my mom. and this one particular girl. and this was now after. a few incidents but I like to say you. know things that where a lot of people. had kind of started looking at me as. being problematic right so you got. somebody who still got no no no like no.

marks on their record got their whole. life ahead of them right and she still. admiring your boy and I'm like man this. girl still got that little bit of crazy. in her that I just I can't kick it's. crazy for you to call me after four. years in the middle of the night and say. what you said on the phone that was. crazy but I was attracted to it I was. like man this girl's still. it's going weird right but I can't kick. it I'm gonna call her do I call her hey.

and so when you call it a phone. tab tan what'd you say. first she had a. she had a roommate that didn't speak. English she was in Miami okay and I. called her and uh. I just remember roommate answering the. phone and I'm trying to say her name. like and I'm like making like this this. can't be I think I got the number wrong. and she I could tell when she grabbed. the phone she got on the phone excited. no I had been waiting by the yeah you've.

been waiting all day all day but you. knew he was gonna call this yeah so when. she got on the phone I just hey I kept. it I tried to keep it you try to keep it. GD I tried it guys like hey you called. me. yeah he gonna say did you really call me. at four o'clock in the morning I was. like yeah and I didn't want to be. jumping out there so I just let her do. the most you know all the time okay but. in my head I'm like I told my homeboys. that in college I was like I had one. friend who I can always you know that. one friend yeah yeah so I'm telling him.

all the reasons why the whole day I'm. like man this girl called me I'm about. trying to live my life and now she want. to come and get your boy back I'm acting. like I'm somebody. you won and he waited and he waited my. boy Ty I love him to this day and he. said. scared fool. man you gonna call her you know I'm like. nah I ain't gonna call her I waited till. the end of the day end of the day and I. called her you know. um. and I knew I was you know what I mean.

like it was just one of those where I. was like. I don't want to be this dude you know. that ego thing right right right right. right I called him yeah I called her and. here we are 25 years later yeah. is marriage everything you thought it. would be you two thought it would be. it is nothing that we thought it would. be. is that good or bad it's it's good it's. good because you you guys make it sound. so perfect.

but it has to be some disagreements at. some point oh it's a whole oh it's a. whole bunch of different. what about the fellow what about the. fairy tale but feel crazy all I heard. was fairy tale no no no see don't be. confused about okay okay. marriage see what I you know what I. didn't come from a house I didn't come. from a family of marriage okay I ain't. have no understanding of what marriage. was right. her parents were married and you know a. church going you know that you know.

um. so I didn't have an understanding of. what marriage was so when you ask that. question I'm like I had this ridiculous. idea. this really just male perspective of. what marriage is I'm gonna do this I'm. gonna have this it's gonna I ain't got. to be out here chasing this because it's. at the house right that was really and. simple what it was. but as we uh. as we grew together.

it became something completely different. it became you know that that's my best. friend you know that's that that's that. unconditional thing that's that thing to. where even when I'm I'm in I'm not ready. to hear what she's saying I gotta. revisit it and now. it's a possibility that she could be. right this is the one this is this is. the person the one person on this Earth. right even outside of my mall right now. my mom I'm always right I'm her baby. right but just the one person that's. gonna that has no interest in trying to.

backdoor me or get one over on me. I gotta consider it and that's. invaluable you know what I mean that's. you know so I started to learn what. marriage truly is and also in the aspect. of. it's it's like a Fortune 500 company you. know what I mean is it's that thing. where you say look if you don't take. pride in anything else you should be. able to take pride in this companion. that is building your legacy you know. where your kids will be able to a lot of.

people don't have like I'm listening to. you interviewing my wife right. and she you answer the question what's. the one thing that you're most proud of. right I knew she was going to say that. right but what I value out of all of. this. that I didn't have growing up. is that my great grandkids will be able. to go and find something with the Brown. family name on it they'll be able to say. my great Grandmama she wrote two books. my great grandma got nominated for this.

my great-grandmama is the reason I'm. able to go to this night's School my. great I don't have none of that those. things right there is what marriage. turned out to be and more important than. what I thought marriage was about was. you know those male. ego driven dumb things and uh. materialistic things from the south like. I am yeah in the marriage when you got. home the meal was on the table the wife. cooked clean did all those things and. what the man said I don't know how it.

was in your house but what the man said. when it was no okay let's think about it. let's talk this through he said we going. to church we went to church he said we. going here we go in there but I'm. looking at you it really is a 50 50. yes. and that's what I I treated that the. most I don't have to carry all that. weight so you know how you started with. me being able to play the back yeah I. have no issue with that. I have no issue with that because.

because you but you know a lot of men. would a lot of men would feel. emasculated if they're if their wife or. their significant other. because yo she's like hey you you're the. police officer yeah she said set that. down yeah I got it baby that was the. plan and that's because of that little. bit of crazy right yeah. so look so very from the very beginning. I'm not lying to you I could literally. come in the house and tell my wife I. wanted to be an astronaut. and the next day she gonna have the. paperwork everything late that's the.

kind of support that's the kind of. support that I got from my wife right. I'm gonna order the soup for me. hey look she was that kind of crazy. right so I got all of that prior to what. the world see right now right see they. don't they don't know that portion of. the story about how she was there. supporting me and making me feel like an. alpha male and Kings you couldn't treat. me like a king. for the majority of our relationship wow. believing in me when I say ain't no even. before they knew who Tabitha Brown was.

so she was treating you like this before. she was hey I'm Tabitha Brown. all that I just read the other day. believing in me and I and I and I need. people to understand that believing when. I say I got us yeah right and and even. when I didn't believe in myself finding. a way. to get me back up into my belief system. so that I could take care of my family. so she's been playing second so well. that I learned from her. how to do it and what I and now I need. to be a soldier for her right right I'm.

gonna be a soldier for her so it's easy. for me and then especially when it's. coming like this in abundance. I'm about 50 best this one. I'm good I read Gabrielle Union she said. her and her husband split everything 50. 50. and I'm listening to you guys and. you know marriage is a is a is a. person-to-person thing what works in. their marriage might not work in this. marriage and it might not work for you.

guys so what are your thoughts tab let. me get you first what are your thoughts. on you guys splitting things. uh I don't really know about 50 50. because it's 100 100 right right it was. mine is he is and and was his is not. like we when we started our relationship. we have one bank account. one right we both had a debit card that. was it was anything in it honey. the most Japanese used to kill the son.

but we you know that's when we both we. both was working at the call center. together right so all our money went. together we we balance it together we. kept a notebook and we would do bills in. the notebook and we would talk about. what and I said our real savings we only. had that account because it was starting. to be a part of life where you had. that's how you but our real savings was. in a Nike shoe box yeah so it's always. been our money together right and now we. have multiple accounts but we're both. still on the mall. so there's no money that he don't know.

about there's no money I don't know. about we just ended together. wow. worked so. to see tab because this is not. traditional this is the different way of. doing things normally the husband goes. off to work the wife stays at home takes. care of the kids okay boom now you have. a very non-traditional and you like you. say you're like I'm cool with bro I'm. cool with it I'm good how. do you because a lot of times it's the. homeboys because they always got some.

say bad I can't believe you let your. your woman take care of you it's talking. all crazy but. because you had known her for so long. and you guys have been together for so. long before. it didn't even bother you did it nope. and that's why. that's and you you just summed it up it. didn't there's I'm I've I only know one. other couple like me and my wife that. knew each other. so long and grew up together. so and.

I really kind of keep my circle. so I haven't encountered too many people. in my immediate circle I've had quite a. few people especially when I moved here. to L.A to kind of tell me that we. weren't gonna make it and you know all. this because it's just impossible yeah. I'm a country boy you ain't seen the. city yet you don't know what kind of. women out here that type of thing. um but. I when I came out here I came out here. with a gold like and that goal was for.

us to make. something out of nothing right so I. found my I just associated with people. who were married other young people who. were married or other people who were. married and like-minded and when it. started turning you know going left with. negative thinking and negative I kind of. put a. wedge in there to protect what I got in. my household. I heard Steve Harvey had like I said had. him on he said a blended family is hard.

how was it you know your daughter. accepting Tab and tab understanding. because I think the thing is that you. hear a lot of kids you're not my mom. you're not my dad like I'm gonna tell. your tail up like I'm your mom or your. dad you better hush. hard it's hard it is definitely hard but. I don't think it's because of the. children right the adults make things. hard right really absolutely so for me. I've been Leah's stepmom since she was.

two. so she don't know nothing else right but. her parents were never together right so. she never saw that so all she knows this. uh and it's always been tab I ain't. never like I was a stepmom before I was. a mother wow. right I had that role before I was a mom. so uh and I always loved it right you. know it was always a fun thing for me. and I still do I mean she's good and. grown now she about to be 28 so she. grown grown but yeah and it's hard. because of just even too with us moving.

and separating ourselves there's a. culture in North Carolina how you raise. kids right absolutely in the South yeah. then there's a difference and we want we. didn't necessarily bring everything with. us on how we wanted to raise our kids to. L.A but we brought a lot of it but there. are some indifferences right so when. those two worlds. you know it's like they Collide the. adults have a problem yeah you get what. I mean so we also learned as we. as we were parenting our children that.

we had together we were learning that oh. wait just because this is how it was for. us this don't work for our kids right. and there was a lot of things I wanted. to you can't discipline your kids like. you got this I'm going to jail you're. going to jail if the siblings that you. going to jail right exactly like that. ain't working okay don't worry no you. can't go out there and get no switch off. the palm tree okay. but it was it was just different and I. think also not being uh in North.

Carolina you know with my stepdaughter. where she was still living with her mom. and we were here even that was hard. right right but we made it of course. work the best that we could because we. won a lot of years but no money right. before she asked you a basketball coach. now. so. obviously you like basketball so who's. your team. I rode with LeBron man so. I always say Hey listen wherever he go.

I'm going right right so I don't like I. don't like the playing teams right you. know I I didn't. LeBron my whole team thing went out. literally when Mike retired right then. LeBron came in and he convinced me that. he he was the man for the job right and. then the new wave of how how players. move and everything yeah yeah I wrote. LeBron man I'm wherever he at that's. where I'm at. a guy that's been in the lose an awful. lot lately at John Moran we saw the.

incidents that he had with the guns. waving around IG live if he was your son. what type of advice would you give him. because you know and I tell people this. people don't understand this when the. child becomes the provider it changes. the the dynamic in a relationship. because you as a father you provide but. once he becomes a professional athlete. or he becomes famous and then he takes. over that role the roles have not. changed it shouldn't because the dynamic. is you're the father he's the son but.

when he starts paying for the house then. the card knows and he starts paying for. everything that you have or the family. has. you kind of treat him differently even. though you should. see I think the mistake is. you know in wherever you start treating. him differently is where you've already. messed up yeah. you've already messed up I don't think. that. it's okay some point the dynamic change. with me and my wife right.

it does I no hesitation when I feel some. kind of way I'm gonna I'm gonna speak my. mind right as your husband because. you're a man I'm a man right and I value. this relationship. and our future more so than I do. anything that this money can do for us. right so if it was my son to answer your. question. um. I would really have to sit down and have. a heart-to-heart with my son and try to. try to find out man what is your. infatuation with guns and.

bring him I I just I really don't. understand it right I mean I need to and. I need to get some kind of understanding. of why you feel the need to one have one. to two show it off to the world right. three what is it that you don't. understand about. this blessing why did. it's been given they've been given to. you you you're worth I mean I don't know. but I imagine he worth about 200 million. dollars right and I would try to.

probably shed some light on him of what. that really means so he can so because. it is to I don't sometimes think that we. I think we make an assumption about the. youth and that they should understand it. I deal with kids and I'm the over. explainer I'm the dude I'm the dude. that's like nah I bumped that I'm not. doing what y'all accustomed to doing and. trying to explain and get it done in 45. seconds because Instagram and social. media has now turned the world into 90. seconds let's get it all done kids are.

now starting to think. that's their that's the expectation of. of attentiveness right I'm not. no I'm the dude that's like no we're. gonna talk until I feel like you got it. right so he I don't think that he is of. understanding and taking the type of. Pride as a young black man strong. emphasis on black man that you are you. are now responsible for Generations. that's right. okay let's make it personal if you don't.

if it's not that big of a deal for you. and the kids out in the world that you. don't know personally let's sit down and. I want you to I want you to really think. about the life that you want. your grandchild have yo now his child. and then think about how they gonna view. you when they go to like with my wife. I'm telling you that's the most. important thing to me I love the fact. that we can that. and 90 I can Envision one of my great. grandkids coming to me and saying yeah. man it's Grandma I'm right there right.

there right there they can't lie about. it they can't change it it's right here. we got it. and I think that's where I would start. is trying to. something there because there's a. disconnect in the world of those type of. things where it's like when you sending. the message home and. that's why I would start as a dad like. look man I'm proud of you but you need. to be proud of yourself you need to you. need to own some of this you need to see. what this really is this is and and if.

he ain't had a history lesson he need to. get one that's where I would start. I'm gonna get you out of here on this. one. what's your. keys to a success. in business. and in marriage. oh honesty. in both right if I can trust you we can. build a mountain right if there's trust. there if we're honest we can actually.

have a conversation we do all the things. that we need in truth if honesty is. involved absolutely. I would just like to add just promoting. and encouraging your partner to be okay. with change I think sometimes we kind of. how we how you started out is how I. always want you to be. so I think you should you know encourage. change and welcome it and be okay with. it with your partner growing and growing.

in any direction and not feel threatened. by them outgrowing you. and that's in business too yeah because. you guys because you grow every day. Tabitha is different today than she was. yesterday and she'll be different. tomorrow than she was today and likewise. for chance and so you have to be ready. to adapt to that change absolutely. be okay with it expect it on day one. when you get married when you say I do. start thinking about it it's gonna be. like this next week. the honeymoon might be a little.

different than what you think guys you. guys seem like you guys have you guys. have so much fun you seem like you have. so much fun together you guys have been. together you know you can I bet you can. finish her sentence and she can finish. your sentence because you guys have been. together that long that you know what. each other's thinking yeah yeah most. times yeah yeah and then sometimes he'll. surprise. so I did bring you some some things okay.

well thank you okay very good so it's a. couple things and some of us might have. to go to some people okay did you you. know they're going to say uh Shannon. give me that because this is my cookbook. okay in case you don't want that stomach. issue going this is uh it's a vegan. cookbook it's a vegan cookbook this is. uh my first book feeding the song so. that's all about my my life and my. journey and then this is a working. Journal that accompanies that one okay. all right and so this so you can get in. the kitchen. you can get in the kitchen with all the. seasons and things so these are my new.

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but this is sweet potato pie. sweet potato pie because I don't bake. but Donna does so she said she made the. uh desserts for your hair but these are. all for you and then you know if you. want the bag as well my collection from. Target okay I need the bag to take this. stuff home I don't know if I'm gonna. take the hair products home Emma CJ. that's that fifty dollars I'm charging I. just got it for free but it's 50 for you. oh that's right 10 seconds we gave you. something we probably oh yeah we got to.

call you back we got. uh you see my hoodie I'm we're gonna get. you one what's up what's up what size. large okay. I loved it we'll get that to you yes. absolutely this has been great this has. been unbelievable this has been. unbelievable thank you for taking oh. absolutely go ahead thank you for taking. us time out of your day I understand. you're very busy we've been trying to.

get this and we finally we finally we. got it we found it so thank you so much. thank you again hey thank you for having. me bro I appreciate it absolutely I. don't get the handshake shall we close. it out how I close out all my videos yes. yes. so much for having me and until the next. time honey y'all going about your. business and have the most amazing day. but even if you can't have a good one. don't you dare go messing up nobody. else's hand see y'all next time love. y'all thank you so much.

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