Scarface Performs Hits with Jay-Z, Kanye & Tupac, Talks Drake, Kendrick Lamar & Biggie

I think Pac may have been the first. artist to beat up an engineer. I could. be wrong, but I remember sitting in the studio. writing it and recording it. Man, that's. when Pac told the engineer, "Man, you. ain't got too many more." My bad. All my. life been grinding all my life. Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price, want. a slice, got to roll the dice. That's. why all my life I've been grinding all. my life. All my life been grinding all. my life. Sacrifice hustle paid the. price. Want a slice to roll a dice.

That's why all my life I've been. grinding all my life. [Music]. Hello. Welcome to another edition of. Club Shay on the road. And boy do I have. a something special for you today. I am. your host Shannon Sharp. I'm also the. proprietor of Club Shay stopping by. today. He's an icon, a pioneer from the. south. He's been in the music industry. of over 35 years. One of the most. influential rappers in history. One of. the top lyricists of all time, a member. of one of the most successful rap group. roots ever, the ghetto boys, a beloved.

Houstononian, platinum selling hip hop. artist, a celebrated record producer, gifted storyteller, respected label. executive. He was president of Death Jam. South, breaking in artists like. Ludicrous. He's on everybody's top five. rapper list. Your favorite rapper's. favorite rapper. Some refer to him as. the king of the south. Good friend of. mine. Terrible golfer. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen. Scarface. Face. What it do? >> What's up? What's up, Shannon? >> Bang. >> No, wait. Let's do it live. Let's do it. for real. What's up, Sean? I'm good,

Faith. What it do, >> man? Thank [ __ ] Hi, man. Bro, we've. been trying to get this thing together. I appreciate you taking time to let us. come in and do what we do and get an. opportunity to see what you do. >> For sure. >> What's going to be unique about this. today, we're going to throw out a song. and and and Face is going to tell us the. meaning behind the song, where it was, what he was thinking when he actually. wrote the lyrics to this song. So, the. first song we're going to start out with. is Mary Jane. >> and how the music came about. >> and how the how that came about. >> Yeah. So, I'm in the I I wrote it. originally to to the uh Commodore song.

called Say Yeah. >> Okay. >> You you'll feel that now that you know. that. Okay. >> Like the way the words are spaced out. So, I wrote it like that. I ended up. recording it in LA. and um Mike Dean came up with a piano. line that went like this. It was like. [Music]. And then tone hit the drum and it was. kind of like.

right. I remember clearly I cuz I had. took a uh this is bad but I took an. ecstasy. and and this is one of them being in the. studio in a vocal booth by yourself and. it was cold and the only thing that came. to my mind was and I don't really. remember. feeling like this right and it went. that's how it.

[Music]. I wanted to. I wanted to make it sound as like I was. talking about a woman. Right. >> Right. >> So, I'm at my mother-in-law's house. My. wife is laying in the bed sleeping. I'm. like, damn, I've got this love forming in my life. for this dame and indeed of the form of. life. And that's a shame how man can. fall in love with leaves and now the. brains not afraid to let you up and.

leave and do your thing. Share a. happiness with all my folks and got us. high for the days that we was hey wait. share her happiness with all my folks. and got us high for the days that we. were lost and broke. [ __ ] I said [ __ ]. in this song. Got us by. on the radio. It got by right. >> Got us by only rightly stopping you for. props because she came the block of only. find the crops. I need to hear you. singary.

>> So the same chick that sung It's the. thuggish ruggish bone. Yes. Sung the. hook on this. Really? Really? and and. and she went. >> Mary. >> and Tom was saying Mary I love. >> that came from the Rick James part of. it. >> Yes. >> You go Mary I love. >> Now. I pick up my guitar and I put a B. It's. going.

and then. they going. [Music]. >> and then the hook came back in was. likeary. [Music]. >> Mary love here and there. Second verse is like.

[Music]. when the world starts to stress you out, what you do? Put a cancer stick off in. your mouth or grab a brew. Sold it in. stores. But the fact remains is that. they were made and the government's been. taxing that getting paid. That's why it. was all illegal in the first place. That's why it was all illegal because. the government couldn't tax it and get. paid from it. But if it's taxable, it's. cool to smoke then. Kill or not. Ain't. it alcohol that's killing folk? True or. not? Other people try to make you bad,

but I know you not. And when my. situation is looking sad, I know I've. got a true friend in my time of need. Cuz you all I need. Girl, you natural. You come from seeds, not out of greed. It makes me happy when I'm feeling pain. And once again, it makes me happy just. to hear your name. Do your thing, Mary. Jane. That's.

>> just sit there and you just smoked out. >> Yeah. >> Well, you didn't need to smoke out. You. was already high. >> Yeah. But that song make you smoke out. I was exed out when I. >> Yeah, exactly. >> when I wrote it. And that's why you hear. the ver the first verse going got this. love forming in my life. And then it got. no going for this ded. form of life. And that's a shame. Like. it was some [ __ ] going on in that song. that was kind of. you had to be high. >> Face, when you're writing a song, do you.

have an idea of the chords that you. missed it? >> No clue. >> You're just writing the words. >> I'm just writing the music. >> Okay. um to songs and then the words will kind. of come like you kind of start off with. a a a piece of an idea and then you. write a verse to it and then. >> whoever you working with on the song. will you know we'll start working on it. more and putting it more together. So. you write your first verse and you lay. it and then you work on the music a. little bit and you go home and you write.

the second verse and then you put the. first verse with the second verse and. then you write the third verse and then. you lay it all and then you listen to it. and listen to it and listen to it and. then you go back and re-record it. And. sometimes I don't even have to re-record. it because it's that perfect. >> Wow. I believe in being absolutely. perfect. >> So you don't, you know, a lot of times. when you on a set or you're doing a. movie, you're doing a commercial. Oh, that was perfect. But let's do one more. time just to make sure. Like once you. lay it and you like you feel good about. it, you done. That's it. Okay. >> I don't need a safety.

Don't need one. Guess who's back. So. that was a uh a record. I was trying to. get a record from K from from I was. trying to get a a record from Jay-Z. Okay. And um Kanye was playing beats and. Jay-Z was sitting in the corner in a. chair and um Kanye was playing beats. and. Jay was sitting there. He was talking. and then he heard those pianos.

[Music]. And he was like, and he'd be like, he be looking at you like, "Yeah, [ __ ]. I'm about to give you the business right. quick.". [Music]. So. that's all it takes for him to do oo a.

couple of times and he go in the vocal, he lay his vocals like he never wrote. nothing down. He didn't write it down. So he just hearing the beat and he he. just hear and he goes into the to the. booth and he he lays it down and then. I'm sitting at the board. He leaves me. stuck at the board writing every time. Dabs me up and he leaves the room. Right. I come in. I'm writing. I'm thinking. about what I'm going to say. [Music].

So, I'm writing it. and I said, uh, from the womb to the tomb with a hot. pot, a jaw and a spoon trying to touch. me 40,000 and move. Listen. From the womb to the tomb with a hot. pot, a jar and a spoon trying to touch. me 40,000 and move to the next dose bun. Yeah. Dreaming to the tomb with a high. pot of jar and a spoon trying to make me.

40,000 and move motel star studded rock. stars and goons playing clothes want to. run in my room. Woo! But guess who's. bizack? It's your boy Face Mom. I. started with a eight ball. Got to get. this cake dog. Give [ __ ] a break. No, you know how the game go. You think I. slain for to go against the grain? No, I'm out here in grind mode. Wrapped up. in a paper chase. I want to a fine hoe. Candy paint the 88. I ain't got no. wholesale cuz that ain't how I want to. run it. He'll take these five stones and.

bring a [ __ ] back 100. I got to see my. feet, dude. You do [ __ ] a f do. The fire. get you hot in the kitchen. I hit them. streets fool. Money is an issue and. that's on the pisle. My nizzle your. block warm. I come by with that pistol. and make for sure. I get to work mine. one car at a time because if a. [ __ ] got a block bubbling, right, and you want that, the only way. that you can get that block from this is. go by there and shoot it up and then the. cops will be sitting out there. Okay.

All right. I come by with that pistol. and make for sure I get to work mine one. car at a time. We go to war and you. ain't making a dime. You don't want to. go to war, [ __ ] Let me go on down here. and work my [ __ ] too. You know we go to. war and you ain't making a dime cuz I. ain't got [ __ ] to lose. A [ __ ] out here. paying his dues. My baby walking got to. get in some shoes. It's a new game. brewing. Let me get you the rules. Get. out of line and I'mma make you get the. rules. Get out of line and I'mma make. you get the blues. It's a new game. brewing. Let me get you the blues. Get.

out of line. I'mma give you the blues. Woo. [Music]. Yes, that. [Music]. my block. So, I was um in the studio. These are. Death Jam albums, by the way. Those. those are Def Jam songs. And those songs.

were so that was that was probably the. easiest time I've ever had to record an. album because I didn't have to make the. music to it. >> Okay. But uh a couple of guys came by. the studio. Um. Nashen, well Nash Merrick came to the. studio and he was playing Beats and um. they had that this this record that was. by um Roberto Flack and Donnie Hathaway. >> and it went like this.

It was like, "Be real black for me. Be real black for me." Remember that? >> Yes. >> Just something about dope ass music. So, I'm here in the vibe. and I'm thinking about like the best way. like what how does this music make me?

How does this beat make me feel? How. does this piano riff make me feel? Like. I want to say something about about my. neighborhood, man. Like every day been. like the same old thing on my block. Like let's reminisce on what's happening. on the block. Every day been like the. same old thing on my block. H. [Music]. you either working or you juggle cocaine. on my block. You had to hustle cuz. that's how we was raised on my block. And you stayed on your hop until you.

made you a knot. On my block to hang out. with was a thing back then. And even if. you left out, you came back in to my. block. From Holloway, Belfford to Scott. Reed rode the flocks. We know the spots. Just go weed the rocks. Just go weed the. rocks. We know how we know where to get. that [ __ ] from, man. We know where to. get it, man. Let's. go. We the rocks, the drink or the blue. dots on your block. You probably bred a.

fat pad, a Tupac, a big bun, a BI, your. homework from kneeh high. And even if it. was storming outside, that [ __ ] be by. That's me dog on my block. I ain't had. to play no big shot. Them [ __ ] knew me. back when I was stealing beer from. Shamrock. And my nickname is creepy. And. if Black June can see me, he be. tripping. And I bet he still probably. tease me on my block. Black Jill was the. homie, man. >> Yeah. He got he got killed young by a um.

by a police officer. He was in a. high-speed chase and they shot through. the car and shot him in the back of the. neck. 17 years old. And he never got a. chance to see that life, man. Cuz he he. died way back in the 80s, man. And if Black Jun could see me, he'd be. tripping. And I bet he still probably. tease me, man. It's on my block where. everything is everything for Cheezy. On. my block we probably done it all, homie. Believe me. On my block we make the.

impossible look easy. For she never lead. the block. The homies need me. Never. leave the block. I never leave the. block. I never lead the block. I never. lead the block. The homies need me. Imagine if you took the game, you took. the instructions out the game, right? It. ain't going to operate. You know, I remember talking about the. cars. It was like. on my block. We racing polls bone stock.

On my block, I ain't have to play the big shot. On my block, we racing polish. On my. block, we racing polish bones. On my. block. on my block. We queueing all the time. playing dominoes. Keep the switch and. sweets down till my mama goes back in. the house. Hey, listen. Do you remember. when you used to have to hide your dope. from your boy? You don't know nothing.

about no dope now. >> So, you used to have to hide that [ __ ]. from your mama when they come outside, right? You like on my block we queueing. all the time playing dominoes. Keep that. switchery sweet down until my mama goes. back inside and then we can fire. Yeah. Pass it around a few times and get. high. Remember sitting back, man, the neighborhood. I got footage of this. on my Instagram page of us sitting in. the backyard of my homeboy house and we.

drink beer, we barbecue, we tell tales, you know, smoke a few squares, pull it down for me. I remember. I remember when we was kids, right? and. be like, "Man, let's go smoke some. dope." And that meant they was going to. go out and smoke a few squares and [ __ ]. Right. >> Right. >> Now, when somebody say, "Let's go smoke. some dope." You don't know what the they. talking about. So, I be like, "You know. what, man? Go ahead. I don't get how.".

>> But, you know, back then, baby, cigarettes, anything smoking, you had to. hide from your parents. It wasn't just. weed. You know, funny thing, I never had to do. that. Really? You could smoke around. your mom? Boy, you were lucky. I mean, I. don't know how lucky I was, but I grew. up in the But it started with my. grandmother. >> Okay. All right. So, I lived in the. house of my grandmother. and my uncles and all my uncles smoked. and [ __ ] Right. >> Right. >> And they started smoking at a young age. when I had a cigar. I was smoking in the. house. I couldn't have been no more than.

9, 10. And I know people going to think. I'm full of [ __ ] but I swear to God, I. went 9, 11, 12 years old. I was smoking. Matter of fact, I'm at school with a. smoking pass. Back in junior high school, you can. smoke cigarettes at school if you had a. pass, >> right? You had to get you had to get. cleared by your parents. >> You had to get clears from your parents. I'm telling my age right now. I'm 54, but yeah, I was smoking for real. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Not proud of it, but [ __ ]. >> You did what you did. I did what I did, man.

This song. I I Cuz I really want to know the. backdrop. I never seen a man cry until I. seen a man die. The backdrop of that. So. the backdrop of that, man, is I got. high. Man, you've been writing some fire. when you high. >> Yeah, I was I was stoned. And I I promised that if I ever came.

down off that high, I wouldn't never get. high again like that. But I was drinking. beer and taking painkillers, okay? And I. had smoked the joint. I don't want. nobody to try this [ __ ] at home cuz this. What that What kind of combo were you. on? Drinking beer, smoking, taking pain. pills. So, I had broke my arm. My my. either that or I got shot. Something had. happened. >> Damn face. >> Yeah. And I needed I I didn't want to. hurt no more. Uh Nate Dog had the.

coldest song on that one. I don't want. to hurt no more. Don't want to hurt no. Yeah. I didn't want to hurt no more. Right. So, I took a um a pain killer. Um I was drinking Miller Lights anyway. I smoked the square. and that [ __ ] didn't end well. Did Did it Did the words I mean, how. long did it take you to come up to lay. those verses for that? Did it just start.

the pen just started writing it like. auto pen? So, I was in the studio and I made a. beat and it started with a baseline. and the baseline went like. [Music]. right. I did on the keyboard and then I. played the. [Music].

right. [Music]. So that's what I wrote the words to. Okay. The B the B the be. [Music]. [Music]. So that's the original way.

that I set it up. And then Mike Dean. comes in with the. Let me hear. He had the. [Music]. Mike Dean also played this guitar part. that went kind of like this. [Music].

So I had to take So I had to take this. home, right? Yeah. >> And I'm high as hell. And the first. thing I came up with was. future's father with his hands out. We. debilitated slightly. Glad to be the.

man's child. The world is different. since he seen it last. Been 7 years he's. out of jail and he's happy that he's. free at last. All he had was his. mother's letters. Now he's mobile and. he's got to make a change and make it. for the better. But he's black so he's. got one strike against gangster and he's. young. Plus he came up in the system. But he's smart and he's finally making. 18. Right. I'm I'm coming up with these. words, man. The words are flowing. Right. But the more I wrote, the more dead I.

felt. Yeah. I was I was gone. I I had that. kind of high that I had that blackout. high. Yeah. You know, so that's the that was the. writing process on this song, man. I was. I didn't want to I didn't I didn't want. to be high no more. You know what I. mean? I remember I remember um that uh that. verse where I said um. I hear you breathing but your heart no. longer sounds strong but you kind of.

scared of dying so you hold on and you. keep on blacking out and your pulse is. slow. Stop trying to fight the reaper. Just relax and let it go. That's how. high I was. Wow. I was high when I was writing that. record. Yeah. I was I I I really went in. there and got some [ __ ] Uh because. there's no way you can fight it though. you still try and you can try it till. you fight it but you still die. Your. spirit leaves your body and your mind.

clears. Your morning starts to set you. out of you. Like that's some real that's. that's how I felt. Wow. But when I got. to the studio in I wasn't high no more. else come down later. And it was like I. was like he greets his father with his. hands out rehabilitated slightly but. glad to be the man's child. The world is. different since he seen it last. Out of. jail been seven years and he's happy. that he's free at last. All he had was.

his mother's letters. Now he's mobile. and he's got to make a change and make. it for the better. But he's black so. he's got one strike against it and he's. young. Plus, he came up in the system. But you never know. how those words are going to come out. upon delivery because I'm I stand firm. on letting the beat guide. Okay? I use. my voice as an instrument. Like I don't. you you'll never hear a song for me. where the beat is doing one thing and my.

voice is doing another. Like it's not. going to be a monotone, right? Like you. know how some rappers get on the. microphone and they rap the same way. every time because they not letting that. beat lead. You know they rapping off of. their own instinct and not letting that. beat guide. You got to let that beat. guide. >> and in order to let that beat it's a. vibe, >> right? >> It's a vibe, man. So you know um some. some records you hear me um. rapping.

this way and the next you hear like who. is that [ __ ]. Like I remember one time we was doing. that sitting at the stoplight looking at. hoes peeping out this [ __ ] and her. black jabos windows rolled up tight top. was closed blowing switches sweet smoke. out my nose E40 called me right. >> and like man you let Warren you let. Warren get on the track I'm like no. [ __ ] that's me. yeah so I'm changing my voice I'm. changing I'm changing the dynamic the.

pitch I'm changing the flow, the come. lines are different. You know, the the. the patterns, the rap patterns are. different. Sunday morning, I'm off in. church, sending throughout the week, hustling every day. I'm getting it as we. speak. I listen to preacher preach. Mama. singing the song, ain't he clapping the. hands. No choir singing the song. Ain't. clapping the hands. My mama singing. along. I'm uncomfortable. I want to. leave. Can't let my mama sing. I ain't. listening to the message. But it's it's. it's um.

it's different deliveries on different. songs. Different songs call for. different deliveries, different beats, man. >> Has it ever been a situation where you. you you write it while you're high and. then when you come down off that, you're. like, "Okay, I hope I can get right back. into that head space that Oh, once you. get it, it's in there." Once you find. out, once you get back to what you were. writing in the pattern that you was. writing it in, >> Mhm. >> you in there. But I ain't wrote nothing. high in a long time. Of course, I ain't. been writing, but I ain't did nothing. I. ain't Damn, Shannon, you trying to act.

like I'm just a dope fiend. Like, I got to be high. No, I'm messing. with you. But no, I would I I um. just, you know what? I don't smoke weed. all the time. >> Okay? >> You know, but when I do, I'm not just. going to be burning out brain cells, >> right? >> So, there's got to be something being. created. >> Do That's what I was about to ask. When. you smoke, are you spoken to get in a a. a frame of mind that you can write?

>> No. Oh, you just spoke you just spoken. to spoke. >> No, I'm not smoking. I'm smoking I'm. smoking to. >> I'm smoking to spark um. ideas, >> right? >> But I'm just not riding around smoking. all day long just to be smoking. So if. you see me smoking some weed, I'm in a. vibe, >> right? >> And I haven't smoked weed in a long. time. Is that what it would take you to get. back in? I mean, what would you. >> smoke some weed? No. What would it take. you to get back to the pen that we know.

face to have? They got to pay. Like this [ __ ] is free now. I'm not It's. not paying, man. Okay. >> You know what I mean? Like this is where. the money is. Like short and I out on a. tour. We're calling it the function. You. know, this is where the money is. Even. though uh tires we still recording, uh. E40 is still recording. Everybody's. still recording. I just don't see the. value. I'm spoiled. I'm spoiled. I remember when you could. sell a record. You could sell records. for 5 6 7 8 9 $10.

>> Correct. >> Now zero cent. It's zero. It's it's it's. half a cent on a scent for a stream. So. I don't see the value in wasting my. time. I can't get my time back. >> Right. You know, I got a catalog that'll. carry me and you know, yeah, you good. You feel me? Like I got I've got a. pretty decent catalog. >> and I'm always thinking of some some. other funky ways to to revamp me. You. know what I mean? >> Yeah. >> Like this is this just didn't come. overnight. Like I've been doing my band shift for.

20 years. Matter of fact, aunt sent me. something yesterday sent us something. where How long was that? 25 years ago. >> It was 25 almost. >> 20 years ago. Okay. Of us, you know, working with our band [ __ ] All right. And I went on the road with a band and I. wasn't even getting paid, but I knew. that eventually the game would catch up. to what I'm thinking. Yeah. Where I'm at. in my mindset because we can stand on. stage and and and and grab grab our [ __ ].

and walk and and and lip sync to our. [ __ ] or we can bring it back to the. essence of where it came from. You know, like I we we we built this music, man. >> Right. We built this music. >> Tupac's last song he recorded was With. You 1994. Smile. I can't say that. >> Hold on. Yeah. Do you remember that. before he passed?

>> It might have not been 94. What year was. that did Smile come out? >> It came out. It came out in 96. >> It came out 97, but re-recorded it. >> When did you guys. >> That September. Hey man, you know what? That could very well be the last song. that he recorded. >> Absolutely. >> That could very well be the last song. because I remember leaving LA, going to. Chicago, and getting hearing that he was shot. But me knowing Pac, like I know Pac, you. know, he going to get up and he going to.

be talking [ __ ] again. Right. >> All right. You could very well be right, man. Because we recorded that in September or. June. Mhm. And he got shot in that September. He got shot. >> Okay. We recorded that song in June or. July. of 96. He got shot and killed in 96. September. Okay. So, that could very well be that. last record. But I like me knowing Pac.

and how he worked. Uh, I doubt it. It. possible though. Mhm. because he. probably laid down 15 20 songs a day. because what that that was uh if I'm not. mistaken I think it was the uh the Tyson. Holyfield fight. It might have been Bruno. Check Check. the fact. >> I I see I went to the Frank Bruno fight. that was in like April of 96. >> Okay. Who did he fight right after that? I think it was Holyfield. >> I can't say that. We'll look it up. We.

got to look that up. >> Yeah. I think he was fighting Ba or. somebody. It wasn't Holyfield though cuz. he remember he fought Holyfield back to. back 96. He fought him he lost and then. he turned around and fought him again in. in 97 when he bit his ear. >> Yeah, but no. Pac was still around. though. >> Mm- No, >> don't think so. I mean, see, uh, we can look it up. CJ, when did Pac get when did Pac. >> get killed? 90. >> I think I think it was September of 96.

Okay. So, when did Tyson fight. Holyfield? >> September 13th, 1996. >> 713. >> So, you say Tyson Holyfield fight? >> Yeah, he fought him twice. He fought him. in 96 and 97. He fought him in December, right? >> He fought him on my birthday, November. 9th. >> So, yeah. November 9th, 1996. The second. fight was June 28th, 1997. >> Mhm. >> When When did Tupac get killed?

>> September. Yeah. September 13th, 1996. >> So, it was I think it was a Bruno. It. might have been. >> Who did Who who did uh who was Holyfield. fight? That was a It was a fight going. on out there. >> Let me see. >> It was Mike Tyson and Bruno. >> cuz I was at the Bruno fight in April. >> Yeah. Bruce Seldon. >> Bruce Bruce. Okay. One of the big on. Yeah. Busing. >> Yeah. >> But um man, Pac was a hell of a dude, man. He he was um he was before his.

time. He way before his time. >> More money mean more litigating, more. player hating. Got a a sale at the pen. for me waiting. Wow. So smile. When you writing that, what's. going on? What are you thinking? So. Park, we recorded that like way before. he passed, like a couple of.

recorded that in June or or July June. >> June June July of 96, right? >> And he ends up passing in September of. 96. >> Right. So we wrote the song, you know, before he passed. And like Pac would always have this. thing with me where he would be so. pissed off that I would be sitting at. the board still writing and everybody. threw with they [ __ ] you know? And he. would always say, "Hey man, you got to. you got to you got to find a way to get.

across to the [ __ ] without offending. them, >> right? >> And the [ __ ] going to want what the. [ __ ] want." And then whatever the. last word is of your verse, that's the. name of the song. And I was like, "Okay.". But nonetheless, I still sat down in. front of that board and I I came up with. those words, man. But it was done to a. whole totally different beat. Um, uh,

shout out to, uh, Tone Capone. and, uh, and Mike Dean because I think. that the job that we did on this song, on this version of that particular song. was awesome, man. Tone always wanted. those. Was it pissicados? What are they. called? Piscatos. He always loved the. plink. [Music]. Johnny P was still alive. The one who say, "Do you want to ride in.

the backseat of my caddy. or die?" Yeah. Tone had a vibe in his. head. Uh tell. me, do you still care. about me? Right. So he just broke that. came into smile. for me. That's Tom Kapone. Won't you. just smile. for me? And then Johnny P was in the.

studio and he sung that [ __ ]. And um. some kind of way we got a chance to use. that record on my album. But I remember sitting in the studio. writing it and recording it. Man, that's. when Pac told the engineer, "Man, you. ain't got too many more my bads, >> right? He's going to That's when the I. think Pac may have been the first one. the first uh artist to beat up an. engineer." I could be wrong,

but I know he used to beat his engineers. up. and I wrote it down like. never as I open up my story. Put the. blades in your blunt. That's so you can. reflect. That's so you can reflect. Okay. You know what I'm saying? >> So you kind of reflect on what I'm. saying, man. Just sit back and like, damn. Now, as I open up my story, put. the blades to your blunt so you can. picture thoughts slowly upon phrases I. run. And I can walk you through the days. that are done. I often wish that I could.

save everyone. But I'm a dreamer. Have. you ever seen a who was strong in the. game? Overlooking his tomorrows and they. finally came. I look back on childhood. memories and I'm still feeling the pain. Turning circles in my ninth grade to. dealing cocaine. Too many hassles in my. local life. Survive the strain and a man. without a focus. Life can drive me. insane. I'm stuck inside a ghetto. fantasy hoping to change. But when I. focus on reality, I'm broken and. changed. I had a dream of living wealthy.

and making it big, but over football, chose to cook raw, take it and dig. And. after all, my mama's thanking God for. blessing a child. Cuz all my mama got to. do now is collect it and smile. [Music]. Hey, >> won't you just smile.

for me? [Music]. That's cold blooded. We was kids writing. music like this, man. I I would love for. us to be able to get our music back. You know what I'm saying? I would love. for us to be able to make our music like. we made our music, you know, even though.

from Maize to. R. Kelly, from R. Kelly to Chris Brown, we didn't lose too much into that. We. didn't lose a lot. You know, that music. is still great, man. It's kind of like. from Rockim to. Kane to Public Enemy to Cube and NWA to. Ghetto Boys to you know Snoop to.

and then you start uh. Tribe Called Quest. You got to think. about all of the great music. LL CoolJ, Run DMC, those. masterpieces of of of hip hop, you know, KRS1. >> Yeah. >> You know, the masterpieces, the Jay-Z's, the Nas, I said Nas already. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. Well, I should have said it twice. >> So, I mean, those masterpiece classics. that will always be remembered forever.

You know what I mean? >> Yes. >> Like. LL Cool J, bro. He don't get the credit that he. deserved. >> No, he single-handedly put this [ __ ] on. the map, bro. He did. And then you have. to look at. >> He got women to listen to start. listening to the rap cuz he was singing. to them. Hey, man. The man. the man broke some [ __ ] down, man. On a. record, man. That was mind-blowing to. me. Who can take the game of rap and rule it.

alone? Uh uh. just playing many styles on the. microphone. Like the man was cold, man. For sure. >> And he he single-handedly. gave us. a plan a plat a platform to stand. today. >> Yes. >> With that Rock the Bell [ __ ]. >> Oh, for sure, >> man. I went out and I did a concert for. Rock the Bells on a couple of occasions. >> Yeah. >> And this last one I went to in in in New.

Jersey. >> Mhm. I walked out on the stage and was. like, "Shit, look at all these people." Hip hop. lives, man. For sure. >> And and and thanks to that guy that is. is is, you know, it's recovering. You. know what I mean? Like he had some great. [ __ ] on there. He had uh uh Rockim, Kane, Plies, Booy, Me, uh Roxan, Shante. was on that [ __ ]. That's my twin. >> Yeah. But I I I I I love what he doing.

with it, man. I think that everybody. should take time out and and pause and. and and thank LL CoolJ for what he did. and what he's doing for this culture, man. Like for real. >> Thanks for performance, bro. Man, we. ain't even started perform yet. Uh let's. play. Let Let's leave him. Let's go out. with a bang. Fired up. I don't even care. what it is. What we going out with? I. don't care. Mind plays trick. >> Mind play tricks on. You got Friday.

night lights. Damn, it feel good to be a. gangster. What you want to go out with? >> No, let's do something else. Uh, what. you got? [Music]. [Music].

Doo. [Music]. doo. [Music].

Can't be life. Can't be love. [Music]. Be more. Can't be us. It's got to be. more. So, I'm leaving to go to baseline from. Def Jam and um. I think my brother called me. I think. Warren Lee called me and told me that.

one of the homies uh babies that had. died. Man, I was devastated. cuz I got a 2-year-old. I had a. 2-year-old back then, but that baby got. a hold of something that he wasn't. supposed to get a hold of that um. and that [ __ ] kind of blew me the [ __ ]. away. [Music]. It was That's why the verse came out so. cold cuz it was so true cuz I had walked. into the studio to.

the studio to do this with J. I got a. phone call from one of my [ __ ] They. say my homeboy Reek, he just lost one of. his kids. And when I heard that, I just. broke your tears. And he in his second. hand, you don't really know how that is. But when it hit that close to home, you. feel the pain at the crib. So So I. called mine. Sad my wife at the bad. news. Got my blessing. Count my. blessings cuz Brad's too. That's. that's one of them ones, man. You got.

[ __ ] Brad 2 years old when that. happened, man. Loving your kids like he. was ours. And I'm hurting for you, dog. But ain't nobody painting like yours. But I just know it heavens heavens open. his doors and view it on the blind on. the bright side. You can view it like. this. God's got open arms, homie. He in. the midst. Who loves all who loves all. and hates not one. Cuz he in the midst and he in the midst. of good company. Who loves all and hates.

not one. And one day you going to be. with your son. I could have talked about. my hard times in his songs, but heaven knows I would have been. wrong. Would have been right. Wouldn't have. been us. It wouldn't have been life. It. wouldn't have been love. It wouldn't. have been right. Uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh. uh. Scary life. [Music].

A lot of [ __ ] be bragging about their. bands and [ __ ]. >> but I know for a fact can't nobody with. them. >> You still up? I can stand I can stand on.

the stage and stop stop. Do that. [Music]. >> Tell you, man. I I got to All I got to. do is just dream it. I just got to dream it. [Music].

live. live on on uh. Club Shay. We going to get down into a deeper. interview um in a few minutes, but I. just wanted my partner to show up to see. that musical side. Go give him the. business, fell. Hold up. Hold up. Louder. Louder. Louder.

[Music]. Oh yeah, [ __ ] say uh. [Music]. once I live a life of a millionaire. spending all of my money. [Music]. taking my friends. Nobody.

sink. champ. [Music]. But if I ever. get a dollar, I'm a cold on sitting in the grave. >> Nobody wants you. When you're down,

no matter. when you're downing out. [Music]. when you're down and out. No matter. [Music]. down and out. So, I hear a lot of people talking about. their bands and [ __ ] man. But after.

being together so long, we kind of know. what we thinking. So it's y'all on the. wavelength. Yeah, we on we we we right. we we right there. I can turn that [ __ ]. up like this here. Get up loud like. that. Or I can bring it back down. You. scarf base. ladies to do it. [Music]. Nobody. counter.

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>> Normally, everybody be having their suit. on when they come on your show, man. They be looking all fly. But this how I. be looking when I go on stage. So if you. see me on stage, then you probably see. me in this. You be like, "Damn, you. going on stage with them new ballots? >> I'm good, man. Don't do it. I'm good at this. >> We ain't had no toys growing up either, Shannon. All we did was talk about each. other. But yeah, I'm This is how it goes. down. Every time we get on the phone, y'all, we got to We got to We got a. Jones. We got you, man. How you been, bro? >> Bro, I've been great, man. Thank you for. taking time. I know you're busy. You got.

a concert in a few hours and taking time. out of your day. Went through. soundcheck. Can't wait to people see the. a couple of songs that you performed for. us and tell us what was going through. your mind at the time of performance. But this is my Kgnac. This is shave by. Laortier. It's a premium BSOP. You. understand? You know about Kanye? Yeah, man. God, >> you know what BSOP stands for, right? >> No. >> Very special old pale. That means. >> you know what I heard? And and you tell. me if there's any truth to this. So the. the the Hennessy guy and Hines, were. they locked up in prison together?

>> I don't know about that. >> So I want I want people to look into. this. So Hennessy, the maker of Hennessy. on somebody and Hines, >> they were locked up in. >> Hines ketchup. >> No, Hines. H I N E S. That's like a. cognac. Okay. >> It's like the It's like the upper. echelons of cognacs, man. So, I heard. this story, man. I want to get some. validity to it and and and just just. see. But yeah, cognac makers, man. Is. this that kind of cognac? >> This is a premium BSOP. We've won 13. awards since its inception in 2021. Uh. we won the SIP award. The SIP award is a.

blind taste test. It's the only one that. the fans get to decide. Everything else. is is is uh judges that have been. sipping Kgnac and a spirit business. But. what they do in a simple ward is that. they put all the cognacs on the table. and then people come by and taste them. and they say, "Well, I like cup eight.". >> Okay. So, I always thought that VOP. meant for very serious old people. >> No, very special old pale. And then you. got XO, which is extra old. And then you. got XXO, which is extra extra old. So, >> shut me down.

>> Yes. Uh, boy, you learn something new. every day. >> And this is a great People don't realize. this, but this come from a great. I was. the oonie blonde grape and a petite. champagne. nuzzle. This man went straight to it. You. >> I know what the to do is. >> Yeah. Why? Why you talking to me like. this? I know what to do. God damn. That. ain't necessary. How Sterling doing, man. But he good. He good.

Yeah. This ain't no grape here. Uni Blonde grape and a petite champagne. And in order for it to be a Kgnac. Hey. man, it has to start originate in Kgnac. for two years. The first two years has. to start there. Hey man, it's mean right. here for sure. We got you covered. We got you covered. Oh no. >> Oh, it ain't got no bite. >> None. Oh, >> you got to be you got to be careful. >> Yeah. Let me move this back over there.

>> Boy, you be on you'll be on stage slurry. >> for real. I'm not going to drink no. more. Ain't nobody got no water. >> We get something, >> man. Why you trying to get me drunk on. my show? >> No, no, no, no, no. But I just wanted. you to taste it. But. >> it's amazing. >> It is. >> It's crazy. >> Yeah. But uh we got you covered. We. going We We got you covered. >> Yeah, man. Send me Send me a Don't tell. me where I can buy some, man. I'm. >> Well, yeah. I'm I'm going to send you. some, but I'm going to tell you what you. buy. >> It's like that. For real, though. >> For real.

Man, Face, it is an honor to have you on. the show. Uh it it's always great to. have people that you you admire from a. distance, you know, getting to know you. over the last couple of years. You and. my brother play a lot of golf together. I sent word. I told him what you told me. to tell him. I was on the phone with you. and I told you. >> No, >> you told me to tell him you could get. it. >> No, no, I didn't. Now, why you saying. that, man? Don't do that, dog. Don't say. that, man. >> Well, I told him. >> You shouldn't have. >> And he said he sent word back to me. He. flipped something up. >> Hey, it's in a picture back. He did. He.

said, "Show fa show face this.". >> Yeah. No. Hey, Sterling, I'mma leave you. alone, man. Don't you go out there. messing with that man. Y'all better. leave that man alone. >> They play They play golf together. Every. every celebrity golf tournament they can. attend. >> Yeah. >> Face is going to be out there. My. brothers be out there with him. >> And the man is a scratch golfer, man. Unbelievable. >> He play all the time. But. >> he play from the back, though. >> Yeah, he play from the tip. >> I play all the time, too. But I ain't going to go back there, man. I ain't got nothing to prove, man. Like.

that from that that's that's for people. that's that's trying to show off that. they still strong, man. I. mean, >> that's the that's the only way to be. strong, man. >> Yeah. >> Let's get into it. Face, >> talk to me. >> From Houston, Texas. >> What was it like growing up in Houston, Texas for a young Scarface? So, uh, growing up in Houston as a young. Brad. >> Yeah, that's a real That's a government. name. Brad. >> Yeah. We say Brad. As a young Brad.

Jordan, um, my mother had me so young. >> Mhm. >> Uh, I'm an old man, baby. For real. I. spent a lot of time at my grandmother's. house. >> Okay. Um, my grandmother had nine. children and I always tell I always tell. people that I feel like I'm my. grandmother's 10th child, >> right? >> Because she also. >> you spent so much time with her. >> spend so much time with her. Um, my mom. would um. I always want to go to my grandma house,

you know. I go over my my mom and my. aunt lived together for a long time, >> right? >> And I didn't want to be over there cuz. it was boring, right? But going over. there at my at my grandma house, man, my. uncle was. smoked and jammed and, you know, they. had the bands going and my grandfather. was crazy as hell. My grandmother was. sweet as pie. You know, just all, you. know, the the neighborhood raised me, man. You know what I mean? I'm I'm like. one of those kids at the neighborhood. raised for real.

>> But that wasn't what it was like. It was. a sense of community and somebody down. the street. >> could correct you if you were wrong. They would say, "Brad, I'mma tell your. mom. I'mma tell you." Tell her I don't. give a. >> For real. Like people can vouch for me. Like I was a nut growing up. I would. cuss. Yeah. My uncle would call me when. I. >> So my So I was in the kindergarten. My. uncle Rodney was in the sixth grade. So. that's the only time we ever went to. school together, >> right? >> And he would call me from out of the. house to come and curse his friends out. for him.

>> And you and you like doing that? >> Oh, I that that was it was second nature. to me. You don't be around grown folks so much. you heard them. >> I don't know, man. I think this is. genetics. >> You know how people play football? You're good at it. >> Musicians. Yeah. Yeah. I was my my my my. grandfather is a is a a professional. >> cursor. >> Oh my goodness. >> Oh yeah. >> What's your fondest memories of growing. up as a child? >> I think that um sitting in the room.

I don't want to reel any of this [ __ ]. man. >> There was some tough times. >> No, it was some great times. >> Um, sitting in. jamming with my uncles in the room. smoking cigarettes and [ __ ] Um, >> how old were you smoking cigarettes? >> Four or five. in their room when they put the.

cigarette in the ashtray. >> You grab it. >> I grab. >> Those are those are those memories, man, that it make you think about the entire. situation. You know, you're in the room. with your uncle Eric and Eddie, >> right? >> My grandmother beating on the door, telling us to turn it down. My. grandfather in the room cussing up a. storm, you know. Um, we just just making music, bro. I. remember that [ __ ] But it's so.

emotional going back to. growing up. I don't know if if it touch. other people like that, but it with me. because I feel like I didn't get a. chance to be a kid. >> I feel like I was always grown. Like, you know, I didn't realize that I. was homeless until like now. >> Really? >> Yeah. When I left my grandmother's. house. How old were you? left my mom, my grandmother. I was.

probably. 12, 13. Went to go live with Warren, his mom, and Neil and my sister Tanya. We all, but she was always gone. So, it was kind. of like we raised ourselves, >> right? >> You know what I mean? I got like 15, 16. years old. My mother rented an apartment.

in her name for me to go live in. Like. >> you was living in an apartment by. yourself. Let's just call my mom, dog. Let's just do that cuz I don't want. nobody to think I'm full of [ __ ] Pause. Hey, I've been know y'all the years. I've. been thought that. [ __ ] N.

you chill that story. >> Hey. Hey, Warren Lee. I need a plug for. my phone. >> All right. >> Where the Hey, mama. >> Yeah. >> So, I'm I'm I'm here on uh Club Shay. Shay with Shannon Sharp. >> Uhhuh. >> How old was I when you rented that. apartment for me? >> Well, I think he was either 15 or 16. And. >> that's that's my mama. >> Yep. And you stayed by yourself and did. very well.

>> And have I been back home yet? >> No, but I wish you would come and just. check on your mother. >> Yeah, that would I. >> I'm 54 years old, bro. I ain't going. back home. Mama, I love you to death. I. just wanted to clear that up, man. And I. know for a fact that I was smoking. cigarettes. >> Did you know, Mom, did you know he was. Listen, listen to my mama. This my mama. You doing everything you wanted to do. All I can tell you is that you was you. had luck on your hand. You was charmed. You were a charmed young man.

>> Cuz people loved you and they didn't. even know why they loved you. There was. that charmed. >> Yeah. He he kind of had that he kind of. had that impact on people. I don't know. why him friends. everybody everybody loves him. everybody. >> Yeah. >> I even had people to walk up to me and. says, "You have such a fine uh. respectful young man." I'm thinking, "Really?

Really?". Too funny. Even when he'd go by houses. and things, people would just say, "Oh, that's your son. He's just so. mannerable. He just got the best. manners." Oh, Lord. What have you told. this these people? >> You know, I tell them anything, mama. I. love you to death. I'll call you later. Okay. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Thanks, M. All right, baby. >> Told you. I can't make this [ __ ] up. >> Did you play sports? >> I did. I was a running back. >> Okay. You uh Squan, you Derek Henry, you.

Josh Jacobs, you I mean who who you. >> I was Sweetness. >> You was Walt Payton. I was Sweetness and Earl Campbell mixed. in one cuz if you was standing there Oh, you going to run. You going to run up. put that mother helmet in your windpipe. and keep going. >> Keep going. I played with Allan. >> Allan Aldridge was a former teammate of. mine. We won a championship together. He. came I was in there and I got there in. 90. He came in 94. Uh rest in peace. He. passed away a year or two ago. So.

>> I went to school with Al. >> Yeah. >> Love that kid. >> You wrote in your autobiography. My. daddy was dead. My mama didn't want me. I didn't really get along with my. stepdad and my grandmother already had. nine kids of her own. >> That's the truth. >> So there really wasn't a place for me at. her house either. We got very similar. stories cuz my grandmother had nine kids. of her own. She raised her nine and took. my mom's three. Damn. Cold. >> Your your grandmother had nine kids. And. then you have brothers and sisters. >> Yeah. But my grandmother didn't have to. raise my brother. Well, she he raised.

she raised my sister, >> right? >> But um she took on everybody else's um. children in the neighborhood, >> you know what I mean? Like everybody. else, that was their mama, too, >> right? >> You know, >> so. yeah, my grandmother was a cold piece of. work, man. She was a She never learned. to drive. >> No, my grandmother didn't learn to drive. either. >> That's crazy. >> Quick to go get on the passenger side. >> She go get in the passenger side and. tell and and tell you how to drive. >> Slow down. You going You ain't got no. life. >> You ain't got What the hell?

And then my mother would always tell her. mother, "How many steering wheels on. this car?". Yeah. My mama was cold blooded. So, so. I'm looking at So, we're 21 years apart. in in all of those stages, right? >> So, I'm 21 years younger than my mother. My mother's 21 years younger than my. grandmother. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> So, I can see my life 21 years from now. >> Wow. >> And and and 21 years from that, >> right? >> You know what I mean? Right. >> And and and and that that [ __ ] always.

makes me think about the end, Shannon. That [ __ ] makes me think about the end. I can't focus. on living. Are you afraid of dying? >> I'm not, but I'm just saying I ain't got. no time. I run out of time. I've run out. of time. Like that clock, man, is ticking, man. And I don't want to waste my time, bro.

But they ain't waste my time. That's my. biggest fear cuz I can't get it back. >> No. Time is the most valuable currency. because once it's gone, it's gone. It. can never be. >> back. Get your money back. Get your. house back. Get your all that [ __ ] back. Get your friends back. >> Can't get time back. >> I seen get his money back. >> Yes. >> But I ain't never seen nobody get his. time back, man. >> And all I can think of, [ __ ] I'm 54. [ __ ] I'm 54. I got a.

bad ticker. son kidney. and I'm like wow. you face you still think about the 54. the 54 great years yes you had open. heart I saw the scar yes you have your. son's kidney I saw the scar but 54 years. think about how. >> pause. go ahead Yeah, there you go.

>> No, cuz I don't want to cuz [ __ ] be. like, "Yeah, they was in there in the. room with puffing them like back off.". >> But think about think about the 54 great. years. >> Yeah, but I ain't trying to cut the off. now, Shannon. Come on. >> You afraid? I'm not scared. >> I know that that's the inevitable, man, but I don't want to I don't want to run. out of time right now. >> No, you're not. Why you thinking about. that? See, >> you thinking about dying. You ain't. thinking about living. And that's my. problem. I can't get past it.

I played with that [ __ ] so much growing. up until I'm like, [ __ ] I cheated when. I was uh uh a year. When I was five, when I was seven, when I was nine, when. I was What year was that? We went in. that we went in that store, man. People. came in there and robbed that goddamn. store. >> I was about 16, 17. 15. >> Probably 15, 16, 17. He was just leaving. a fresh fest concert, man. And I seen I. seen it. Who was it? Some Hispanic cats.

>> They survived the ride of gas station. >> Yeah. They came in there, man. I seen I. said, "Bro," I said, "Dude got a dude. got a big ass gun on him. >> Let's go. >> Let's go." Ain't that what I said? >> Yeah. Let's go. >> Got out of there, man. Next morning, that [ __ ] on the news. They shot it up, killed that man. >> Ducking death. Wow. Ducking death. So, man, you know, from. being shot, you know,

being in places I shouldn't have been. >> Mhm. >> Uh, being in places I was in, [ __ ] just. happened. And I'm looking at how. death is just saying, "Okay, you come. here. You come." I'm sitting there like, damn. Damn. Okay. Now you. >> It's touching people around you, but it. >> I mean super close. >> When I was when I was uh in surgery,

they um. uh my brother, my manager was in there. while he was and they was like he was. like he realized it was taking longer. than it was supposed to take. And then. when the doctor finally came out, when. the surgeon finally came out, which is a. friend of mine, he came out and he told him, "Man, I. know that y'all probably hear this all. the time, but I don't know how he's. still here.". Damn. You know,

I I don't know, bro. It's a blessing, but I don't want God to. be mad at me and just keep me here and. everybody be dead like all y'all be dead. and I'll be in this by myself or I just. go fast like. I I. >> Have you been able to appreciate the. love that you. >> No, I have not. I have not. I have not been able to.

And that sounds ungrateful as [ __ ]. Um, I just grew up too fast, bro. And I feel. like everything that I was working for, I was working to get to. >> You know what I mean? I feel like I. accomplished everything that I set out. to accomplish. at a young age. My grandmother would. always say when she would talk to her. friends at the church or on the phone or.

whatever that you can never. underestimate what a what what what a. what a what a child is saying because I. remember telling my grandmother and my. grandfather that I was going to be a big. rock and roll star and I was going to. buy uh my grandfather a big ass boat so. we can go fishing and I was going to get. my grandma a new house. I said this out. of my mouth. All right. This is what I. said out of my mouth. And. my grandmother after all of this stuff. started happening, she was saying, "You.

can never underestimate what it what. comes out of a child's mouth, man.". Because that's what happened. And it. happened so fast by the time. from Well, but I started when I was 14, right? >> Okay. I started, you know, trying to rap. at 14. you know, trying to DJ. I started off as. a DJ at at 14 years old. That's what I. wanted to focused on it. I was all. right. I was good enough to make it.

What you mean? Yeah, I did. You made. money. I mean, you did you DJ. You did. your middle school parties. >> I did. I mean, you okay? I mean, they ain't. want to play no money. They probably. play you. >> They didn't have to pay me no money. I. already had a little money. What you. doing? Something shady. >> What's shady? You know what shady is? >> No clue. You shady, right? >> I think you you have to you got to do.

>> what the times call for, >> right? >> You see what I'm saying? >> Mhm. >> Like you got to do what the times call. for. And if call came for throwing. newspapers, [ __ ] I threw the newspaper. Hey, does anybody have some uh toilet. paper, napkins, anything? >> We got the right here. >> Okay, cool. One second. The coolest. thing about it sh is when I pause this. right quick cuz this [ __ ] going to sound. terrible. Mute this [ __ ]. Snuffle up against ass [ __ ].

Oh, big nose. Good thing you ain't have no habit. I can't say that. Ah, damn. Faith and. you still got money. I ain't got no money. I don't want no money. >> Look how this [ __ ] looking at me. I. don't got no money. I don't want no. money. I don't want no money.

>> Okay. >> Hell no. You know what happen when you. got money? >> Mhm. >> Every [ __ ] body else want your. money. I want no money. >> Your dad passed away. How old were you. when your dad passed? >> My biological? >> Yes. maybe seven or eight. >> Do you remember? >> I don't know him. I didn't never know. him. >> Um. but I know how he died cuz I have the. newspaper articles on how my biological.

father died. >> Mhm. >> He died. in a woman's house because her husband. or boyfriend shot him through the door. is or argued by the woman. There you go. Or arguing by the woman. And when he. came to the door, the man shot him. through the door and killed him. And um.

yeah, that's why when chicks be like, I'm mad, I be like, [ __ ] that's you. I'm good. Go ahead. But yeah, my dad now my my dad. He just passed. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. He taught me He taught me the. game, man. He taught me the real live. game, the real life hustle game. My dad. was the weed man. >> Mhm. And uh he would have stalks of weed.

drying in the closet. and I would uh I would go in there and I. would take uh the little Remember the. brown You don't know nothing about this, but they had the brown uh bags. >> Yeah, the Yeah, the little nickel bag. >> Yeah, it wasn't a nickel. It was a nick. >> Okay, my bad. They came with that later. It was no nick when you was growing up. When I was growing up, it was a nickel. bag. >> No, it was a nick. It's still a nickel. bag. No, Shannon, I'm not going to ride.

with this. A nick. >> Okay, go ahead. >> So, I put it You make you a nick. >> Yeah. >> And then you can make you a big dime. >> Okay. Okay. All right. >> Okay. >> So, we had this parsley seed uh you had. parsley in the uh And there go my cousin. right there. We had parsley in the uh in. the in the in the kitchen. >> Right. >> Mhm. >> So, I didn't want my daddy to know I was. stealing his weed. So, I pop off some of. that bud where that was dried off real. good and I get enough and I just step on.

it a little bit with some parsley. season. Now, how in the hell did I know. to do that? I don't know, but I did it. >> You've been shady for a minute. >> I've been shady for a minute, man. But I but I can I can honestly say my. stepdad, man, taught me responsibility, man. He taught me to he he he taught me. how to be a man, bro. And you know what? Standing he stood in the gap, bro. Um, my other my cousin Verdice always say, "Man, we we we we you got to love it,

man." He stood in the gap, man. Cuz he. didn't have to do that, >> right? >> You know what I mean? He didn't have to. do that, man. >> It's not easy being a steparent. >> That man didn't call me step. >> You call your son. >> That's it. Period. >> Did you always have a great relationship. with him? >> No. >> I didn't have a great relationship with. my stepdad until I understood, you know, until I grew up. >> You know what I mean? >> Yeah. >> I'm like, damn, >> bro. ain't trying to move me out the. way. He trying to give me some gain. >> And I think from the time when I was uh.

when I started going back to visit, you. know, I started getting little jewels. and and and stuff from and I never will. forget I was coming back from out of. town and I I had some stuff with me that. came from my job. and I gave it to my daddy to hold it to. hold it for me. And then I gave the. money. and I came back and got all my supplies. that I went to work with and my money.

too. And it was years and years and. years and years and years and years down. the line. And I brought it up to him and. he said, "Yeah." I And my mama said, "What?". He still had it? >> No, he he never told my mama about it. >> Wow. You know what I mean? And that just let. me know that even more so how how how. solid and how how how he stood on. business, man.

>> Sometimes we don't appreciate stuff. >> No, I I appreciate him there because he. taught me how to be responsible, man. >> Right. >> And I would always say that when I would. up, I say, "Man, I don't even want to. talk to my daddy about it. >> cuz he'd always drill in my head about. being responsible, man. Be responsible. this is you, you know, and I got a lot a. lot a lot of respect for that man. Rest. in peace to Willie Terry because he was. a hell of a dude, bro. >> I read that you used to write down all.

the sayings. I live with my grandmother. and I can, you know, recite all the. sayings her and my grandfather Yeah. would say. >> Why did Why did you do that? >> I don't know, man. Um, you didn't you you know what you you you. don't realize how smart a person was. until you don't have them around. >> or or. you you you take that that phrase you. don't get old being no fool. >> for granted growing up.

>> but when you think about it hell my. grandmother was 93 94 years old when she. got out of here. >> so I know she was no damn fool and she. had plenty sense man and and it's not. the education cuz a lot of these people. they quit school in second third grade. >> Yeah, I I'm one of them people that. quit. >> Don't laugh at me. >> Hold on. I'm talking about Hold on. Talk. about Let me We got to go back. >> You just said that Skyline, right?

>> Willeridge. >> Willeridge. They having a class reunion. 35 years. >> Yeah. >> How you get to go? >> I was there. >> What? You No. No. No. No. No. No. No. You You quit before they got there. >> No, I was there. No, just just because you started that. class, you got to finish it. I'm way. gone. Yeah. Well, you don't get to go to. the reunion. Well, that would tell them. that, man, cuz they calling me. >> I've been to every last re I've been to. >> How you get to go to the reunion. Call. them. Am I missing something? I I I had an.

impact on my class, man. >> Faith, what grade did you go to? Ninth. and a half. You don't go that far. Why you convinced. the other two would have? >> For what? And I don't want to say that. I don't. want nobody to hear me say that. But for. what? >> Because. >> I can count. I can read. I can multiply. >> Yeah. >> Oh, you cheating like a mother. >> No, no, no, no. See, actually, you. supposed to put a drop in there and it. opens up the body.

>> Let me see. No, you got to put a drop in. there. >> Open up the body. I'm like, I got a concert tonight, bro. I got. >> Yeah, they they let me. Well, >> so you've been So, you went to the five. year, the 10 year, the 15, the 20, 25, 30. Yeah, I go to two class reunions. >> How? Cuz I was in both classes. >> I kind of did what the I wanted to do. and all that.

>> That's That's a parent for real. >> Consider you going to class reunion and. you ain't graduating. >> I had a math teacher, y'all, that would. sit my desk out in the hall every time I. came to her class. She knew that I was. coming and she'd have a desk in the hall. for me. >> Cuz you want some bull drive. >> No, I went on no bull drive. I forgot. you don't curse. So I ain't going to. curse no more. >> I don't He don't like that [ __ ] So. um. I mean cuz when I finish with my work, I'm gone, >> right? >> I couldn't sit still, man. >> You know? >> Yeah. >> My mind would always say,

"What's going on in here? What is going on in here? No, mama. She say, "Well, I don't want. you driving no more cuz you're not. focused.". >> She would always say that she don't want. me. driving. She want somebody else to drive. for me because I have too much going on. in my head. And [ __ ] riding Hill always. be laughing at me, you know, cuz I don't. I be on the phone talking. I'll be.

looking in the back seat and driving. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, as a child, >> did you feel different? Did you think. you were different because you had all. these thoughts in your head? Did you. talk to any of your friends like, "Man, I be thinking this." And they, you know, I went to, you know, they put. me in a uh an institution for this. You. know that, right? That's in my book, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They put me in a um I spent I. spent some time in in in one of those. things, man, because of um They put you.

on the 5150 hold. >> That's a psych hold. >> Yeah, I was on a hold. And I was in there. >> and I spent a lot of I I stayed there a. long ass time. Do you remember how old. you were? I mean cuz you I mean. >> I was pre-ad so I had to be 11 12 years. old. >> Mhm. >> So I wasn't quite an adolescent yet. So. >> were you were you doing thing I mean. what were you doing that day thought. that this would be this would benefit. you? >> What was I doing? Yeah. >> Uh they said that I was manic depressive.

>> and uh uh with with suicidal uh uh. tendencies. They thought that I was. going to kill myself. >> And I I never said I was going to kill. myself. I did cut my wrist a couple of. times. I did uh overdose a couple of. times, but. I realized now, you know, that being. older that if you really wanted to just. die, you would just die. Were you. looking for attention? So maybe I was.

seeking some attention from some. attention that wasn't there, >> that has never been there. You know what. I mean? And I'm going to say I say it a. thousand times, but I I wasn't I wasn't. um I wasn't controlled. I didn't have. parents that'll, you know, stop me from. >> You didn't have guardrails. You didn't. have. >> I have no guard rails. I didn't have no. boundaries. You know, my uncles were. already grown. >> Mhm. You know, >> and you doing what they do. >> I'm doing what they doing. I'm smoking. cigarettes. I'm smoking weed. I'm got I. got uh Indian charges. You know what? I.

smoked crack for the first time in 1983. when the [ __ ] was cool. >> That's that that's like at the height of. the epidemic in the 80s in the. beginning. >> No, no, that was the cool part in the. 80s cuz you had functioning uh uh uh. functioning um fiends. >> You can't say addicts, man. That's not. proper. >> They they weren't fiends. They just they. just were users, >> right? >> But you do realize like the 80s that.

ushered in the crap. >> No, no, it ushered it in. But back in. the early 80s it was cool, trust me. And. now in the 80 now when I got a hold to. the [ __ ] and started. >> it got it wasn't cool no more, >> right? >> That's when the [ __ ] started not getting. cool. >> But. >> so that's before they started stealing. TVs or be. >> Yeah. That's when they started pawn and. [ __ ] That's that. that's when my game switched. >> Right. >> So, I never got hooked on dope.

>> Mhm. >> But, you know, my uncle would come in. from the construction on another thing. too, like like it was all black. construction concrete workers and and. and and flag men on the side of the. road, right, >> when we were growing up. >> Um, and then it changed and I will get. back to that. But, uh, my uncle would. come in, man, he have a eightball, man. I learned how to cook. He put that [ __ ] in the beaker and he he. he'd uh beat it with the uh the torch. >> and and and put water in there and burn. it until it turned into a a long little.

thing and he. and it fall out and I hit it one time. There it is. But I wasn't but 11 12 years old. When you say you never got a chance to. be a kid, you never got a chance to be. >> I never got a chance to be a kid. >> You also How were you when you said. living is hard, dying is the easy part.

I was this year I was this I was this. many years old. It was it was it was now it was an adult. like. dying is the easy part. And that's why I. said it again, man. If you I was. probably trying to get some attention. from some some seeking attention from. people that pay no attention to nothing. >> You You're actually your biological.

father. Your. >> bi You don't know my biological at all? >> At all. But I knew I do know the the uh. the side of my biologicals family. >> And I met uh my cousin in Chicago when. we were adults. >> Wow. Uh-huh. And he said my daddy name. and I said, "Yeah, this know something. cuz don't nobody know his name." You. know what I mean? And um. >> then we've been super duper tight. And I.

got a couple other cousins that I met. over the over that that span too. But uh. I didn't know my dad my my biological at. all. >> How do you learn to deal with those. demons? Because you said there are. things going in your head. you know, cut. yourself and you tried some other. things. Have you learned? Because I. think, and we're going to get to this, I. think that's a lot of where your. creativity, >> man, are you a psychiatrist or. something, bro? Did you go to school for. this [ __ ] I took a couple of classes.

>> Yeah. Okay, go ahead. You trying to dig. this [ __ ] out? Well, how did you feel when you were. seven and you're But I'm just saying. because I mean listening at your raps. and seeing a man die, see a man cry and. the way you rap and the creativity. I. don't know if you know this guy. There's. a uh a poet uh William Cullen Bryant and. he wrote a lot about death. Fanopsis is. as famous is as famous. I'm going to go. into this, but I I you know, I regret.

writing about death, you know, writing so much or or or or. the state of being, you know, dead. >> I regret writing about that [ __ ] because. now it's it's it's. so close, man. You know, >> have you always thought about dying or. you got to your 40s or. >> 50s? I have. No, I've I've always. thought about dying. Like I've always wanted to see how it. felt to just die.

and then like come back and tell a. mother like, "Bro, >> you don't want. >> this ain't what you want. >> No, you won't go in there.". >> Yeah. >> But no, in the cool, man. I always felt. like. um. did you ever did you share these. thoughts? >> Did I mean. >> I did. You did. >> A lot of my songs. >> No, I'm saying I had nobody to talk to. >> Oh, okay. You know what I mean? So, I I. talked through my my pen. >> I didn't have nobody to talk to. >> And and I feel like I feel like um.

>> if I told somebody how I felt or told. somebody, you know, what I was thinking, they probably think I was crazy. >> Yeah. You we going to say that? >> Yeah. So, >> a mad face get a brag get a check. >> Yeah. And and and now at this age, I. don't care what they think. >> You know, I already been through it, >> right? I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm coming out of. the storm. >> So, your friends didn't know. >> Or did they? >> I didn't have any friends.

>> Damn. I don't think I had I had people I hung. out with sometimes, but I didn't really. have no friends, >> right? >> I didn't really, you know, that's crazy. though. You know how you got a whole lot. of friends you grew up with and they was. your friends and y'all was. >> right. >> friends. But I ain't really got no whole. lot of friends like that. I think it was probably because I lived. in a in in two different. two different households, you know.

>> Mhm. >> When I was with my grandmother, my. uncles was my friends. and they friends was my friends, you. know. >> So, you've always had an old soul. because that's all you've ever been. around. You've never been around really. your age? >> No. My oldest friend that I I've known. in my life, my oldest friend that I met. probably when I was one or two or three. years old died the other day from a. massive heart attack. >> And I'm thinking to myself like, "Wow, here we go.".

Calling everybody said, "Brad, yeah.". And and and. why I mean you said you dropped out of. school in the ninth grade. >> Ninth and a half. >> Ninth and a half. Or so you was almost a. sophomore. >> Almost. >> When you told your did you tell your mom. that you was dropping? You tell your. grandma? What did they say? >> Oh, you just didn't go to school one. day? >> I didn't live with them, bro. I was. gone. >> So they didn't know if you was going to.

school or not anyway? >> Who cared? I was already gone. My mama got me an apartment, man. She. just said it. >> Yeah, she said it. >> 15 16 and you did quite well. >> Yeah. >> If you had if you had lived with your. mom, you lived with your grandma, do you. believe you'd have quit school? >> Yeah, >> maybe. No. You know what? I would have. quit school. You know why? >> Why? >> Because no pass, no play came into it.

>> What damn face? Yeah. And I was smart as. you could imagine, but it was just. boring to me, >> you know? And when they implemented the. no pass, no play, like I was a football. player, man. >> Right. >> I wanted to play football. And when they. said no more football, I didn't want to. go to school. No. >> So what am I going to school for? Cuz I. really just going to school to play. football. >> I can add subtract, read, and write. But. I I want to I want to play I want to. play. >> Mhm. >> You know, I want to play football.

Is it true you beat up the principal? >> I did. Why you beat the principal? That. man old. He wasn't old. He wasn't old. back then. He was old. He had to be in. his 30s. That wasn't old. You was 14, 15. I wasn't that old. Well, damn. How old were you when you beat the. I was in like the sixth or seventh. grade. Damn. I had a fight with somebody. in the commons locker area.

and um. his brother came by. to the fight. So I gave him the business. I gave his. brother the business. And then. um one of the principles came by was. trying to pull me, but they weren't. pulling them. So I gave them the. business. And then the other principal, Miss Kyle, she came by. I gave her the business.

>> Yeah. You had to go to school. I don't. You weren't going to be able to go back. to that school. You might have went to. school somewhere else in another. district, but you weren't going back. there no more face. >> If I would have really wanted to go back. to that school, I could have went back. to that school. >> Not if you don't beat up the whole damn. school. >> Didn't matter. if I was determined to go back. As a. matter of fact, I think all I had to do. was like like uh two or three months in. uh uh. >> in school. >> No, in alternative school and I didn't. do that. I didn't do it.

>> Why were you acting out? >> I don't think it was acting out. I just. didn't want to be with. You know what I. mean? Like I'm cool as hell, man. Until. you push that button. >> But you effing with people. >> No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm cool as hell, man. Just. don't with me. Don't Don't Don't push. him out cuz he'll come. >> You know what I mean? I've been keeping. him nice and hid. for these past for these years. These. years. >> and they brought they brought something. out of you that day. >> Oh my god. Don't you don't want to see. him. I don't want to see him no more. I.

don't want to see him. Remember when we were sitting there? I. said, "Man, I ain't got no whole lot of. people I ride around. I don't ride. around with nobody.". >> Yeah, I don't. >> I I ride around with a pistol. >> cuz I know what I'm going to do, >> right? I know what I'm going to do. Don't make me make that. Don't make me. make that decision. >> Can we Can we leave the pistol hall when. I come to Houston? >> No. >> Oh, Lord. Can I'm just going to meet you. there. I'm just going to meet you there. >> Can you drive? >> Yeah. I'm going to meet you at the spot. >> Yeah, you can meet me. Are you not.

coming to Houston? >> I am coming to Houston. >> I'm not going to call when I come to get. you. >> I almost moved to Houston. >> That would have been a disaster. >> Came close and came down to Vegas and. Houston. Ain't too late. >> See, the team be want to move to Houston. so bad. >> they want to go. >> Yes. >> [ __ ]. >> man. You could be neighbors possible. >> No. >> Hell no. >> You're lonely department. I mean, cuz.

like when you're on your own, you could. do a lot of stuff. So you got an. apartment and you start selling. >> No, you were selling before then. No, >> way before then. I worked at a movie. theater. Selling what? drug? >> No, man. I ain't never sold no drugs, man. >> So, so when you ste So, when you. stealing your stepfather's weed, you. were just smoking it. You and the boys. were smoking it or you just smoking it. >> I was stealing weed and putting parsley. seeds with the weed. >> But what were you doing with it? You. wasn't just steal just to steal.

>> That's the part I'm trying to get to. >> Well, I would roll up uh $2 squares. >> Mhm. And if anybody wanted to buy a. square. >> So you were selling drugs. It's. >> I wasn't selling drugs. That's weed. >> Okay. Selling weed. >> But I I I was like seven, eight years. old. >> Oh lord. I wasn't I wasn't I wasn't just. Nino Brown. No, but Nino Brown didn't. start. But. >> that was my personal, >> right? >> You know, I'm just not going to give it. away. If you wanted you, that's $2. square. And if I had a Nick a nick on.

me. >> Yeah. And and my nicks never was real. nicks though. So you No, they weren't. real. They were never real Nick Knicks, man. Cuz I'd roll me a couple of squares. out the nick and I sell it. So it be a. couple of squares short. Yeah. A Nick, how many square could you get out of. Nick back in the game? >> About three. >> Three. >> Three or four. >> About three or four. So y'all know they. wasn't cutting two hours. >> But but but the thing is you probably. that homegrown. So they were bumped to. begin with. >> That homegrown. You ever had some. homegrown? Golly,

that is the most terrible weed ever, man. >> You don't cut some grass and let it dry. >> No, man. Nah, nah. That homegrown I. don't even It just give you a eyeh high. >> Yeah. >> Like your eyes just be high. You don't. really be high, though. >> But I never um I I I had a job and um I. worked at the movie theater, >> but before the movie theater, I had. another job. I had a hustle. >> Yeah. >> So, I was hustling. All right. Do you. let you let your homies in the movie.

theater of the free or you let them cut? Hey, give me a dollar. I'll let you in. >> No, I just let them in. Matter of fact, I ain't really had no homies, man, that. would come by there like that, >> right? >> You know what I mean? And this was And I. was too young to be working anyway, >> right? >> I was like, >> it wasn't too long back then cuz they. put your ass to work. >> No, bro. You had to be. >> You were supposed to be right. >> Excuse me. And these were white people, >> right? I worked in Bair. at a movie theater,

>> right? >> You had to you had to work like eight. hours a day sometimes. >> And me being. 16 years old, >> you know, they wondering why I ain't in. school. So, I told them that I was 18. years old, >> right? So, I can keep that job. You. >> keep that job. >> But I filled out an application at this. Hypermark called Oshan. >> Okay. They had just built the biggest. it's it's big like Walmart like Sam's or. something big big big big and I worked. as a stock boy at night and uh overnight.

and I worked a few days man and they. wrote that I had a check man that check. was $400 and something dollars. >> that was a lot of money back then. >> that was a lot of money for a couple of. days of work right. >> so I I I never I went and got my check. and I never went back to work. >> well damn did you didn't you want. another check. >> I invested I invested in my. >> in your other business in my business. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Investment. >> I invested. Yeah. >> Mhm. >> And then when I started making uh music,

I had a lot to talk about. >> I had a lot to talk about, >> right? >> Because I I knew several businesses. >> You had uh you had a. as they say, you had life experience. You lived life more by the time you were. 16, 17 most people live. >> For sure. No question about it. Yeah, for sure. Remember we was eight years old and um.

we used to wear these medallions. >> Mhm. >> that we got from the game room down the. street and they would ask us uh no the. guy would swear us in. We take an oath, you know, I sw I I solemnly swear to. protect the week and blah blah blah blah. blah blah blah. Right. >> So guy walks into this place called You. Told him. We was kids, man. And um. we were hiding in there and they robbed. that place and they they shot that. clerk, man. Never will forget that.

>> You were there. >> Yeah. Me and a couple of me another couple of. buddies of mine, we were there. I was um. this lady had got um. shot in our apartment complex. >> and it's the first time that I ever seen. like blood like that and it was.

thick like I can't even describe how. thick it was but it was so thick man and. that lady was dead her husband killed. her and that lady was dead and. that blood was thick, bro. It was so. thick. Yeah. Yeah. As a kid, man. Traumatized, man, by just different. stuff I seen over the years. you know,

the first starting of my career, you. know, every concert we had, somebody. would get killed or, you know, two girls. in in and I don't know if that was San. Diego or or somewhere we was at. >> San Diego. >> Yep. >> So, we was in San Diego. and we finished a concert and got ready. to leave. Two girls laying out on the. side of a Volkswagen bug dead.

like. all the shows, man. Somebody got shot, >> somebody got this, somebody got that. Every neighborhood that we lived in, somebody was Man, I remember we used to. have parties in the house parties, man. And we would go in that house party, even go to the great state skate. We go. in there to fight, man. And. and always had a pistol on me.

I always had a pistol. >> Your uncle stole for from you and your. grand is it is it I think it was in your. book where you said your uncle stole for. and your grandfather shot at you. >> Yeah. Your your uncle stole money. What did he. steal from you? um. some material that I have to use to go. to work with. [Laughter]. >> or like like wrenches like a monkey. wrench but yeah for my job yeah yeah for.

my job construction worker yeah. >> yeah how you going how you go how you. going to do your job. >> if I don't have my my my my stuff to do. my job with. >> so we I we had a fight you know he stole. Cuz did nobody else know where it was? >> So you fought your uncle? >> Yeah. You get it back? No. You beat your uncle up? >> I did.

>> Did you apologize to him? I do. You didn't at the time, but you do now. >> Yeah. >> Why your grandfather shoot at you? costy. You got that you you got to keep. him in there, man. You gotta keep him in. there because you let him out, bro. >> Yeah. >> That [ __ ] is bad. Bad, >> right? >> So, he shot at me and I heard.

>> you right, bro. >> Yep. the the tools that you needed to go to. work with. Did you ever use any of those. tools? I did. Did you get hooked? I didn't get hooked. I didn't get um I. didn't get addicted, but I I used it before. Yeah.

You have to you have to you have to make. sure that the frame that you build you. got to make sure it's okay. Right. >> Yeah. You want you don't want the. ceiling to fall in when you start. walking on the roof, do you? >> You tried to rob a So who tries to rob. So what was your thought process in. that? >> What? >> You robbing a bank. >> I ain't never tried to rob no bank. >> You was successful. >> No, I don't know no one want to rob no. bank. >> That's where the money at. >> Me? >> Yeah. >> Rob a bank? >> Mhm. No, bro. My name Brad, not Rob.

>> When did you When did you say, "You know. what? Enough of all this other stuff. that I got going on. I'm going to the. rap game.". >> Mm-m. >> You didn't make it. It didn't happen. like that. >> No. So, how did you start rapping? >> How' I start rapping? >> Yeah. >> It was a cool ass pastime in junior high. school and high school. >> Okay. >> Right. >> Rapping. You was only there for a year. and a half in high school. So it wasn't. that cool.

>> It was cool. >> Okay. >> Because everybody went from one school. to the next. So we all knew each other. So it kind of feel like I did. >> graduate. You know, >> kind of feel like I was still in school. with everybody to this day. >> Yeah. >> We still together. Um, I feel like. when I when I first started uh. uh growing a passion of rapping for for. for rapping, you know, I was listening. to everybody and then when um I heard um.

uh. KRS1, I think that's when I really wanted to. start to be a rapper. When I heard Ice. Tea, I really wanted to be a rapper. >> When I heard Ice Cube, I really wanted. to be a rapper. >> Now, listening to LL Cool J and Big. Daddy Kane let me know that I couldn't. be a rapper, you know, because they were. just so immaculately uh skilled. Not. that uh none of the other uh artists.

that I mentioned aren't, but it was just. when I heard that, I was like, you know. what? I want to do this. >> Right. >> All right. But so I I um. ended up making a couple of records with. a guy in Houston. and um. I made a song called Scarface. >> Mhm. >> And it came out. It was the first one that we that that.

that's the first one that um we probably. ain't heard yet. But um a buddy of mine, Chris Barry, rest in peace, they call. him 32, had we were we were together and. we made a uh he made a record. I don't. remember the name of it, but it was more. of a radio friendly record. >> and the record label uh wanted to go. with that because it was more user. friendly. Right. >> Right. And on the other side of town,

there was another kid. that wanted to put me that like what I. was saying and wanted to put me, you. know, in a group. >> Mhm. >> Now, mind you, about 3 or 4 months. before that, I had rode the bus over to. um. to the car lot to play some songs for. him. and one of the cast was was like, "That's not what we looking for.". >> And then like a few few weeks, few.

months later, you know, uh Steve Fier. played a record for Lil Jay. at the Rhinestone Wrangler parking lot. and [ __ ] dude was at my house. >> and I was like, "Man, how you find me?". >> Just like that. >> Yeah. You mentioned KRS1 known as a. lyricist. Big Daddy Kane lyricist. Rock. him lyricist. People put you in that.

And you are a storyteller. and that come people that you know what. you what I noticed and I'm a storyteller. because I've hung around I hung around a. lot of old people and old people told. stories. You know go get your haircut at. the barber shop and they playing. checkers and they telling old man. telling stories. >> Yeah. >> You're a storyteller. Is that how you. thought your rap career did? So, what. were you hoping to be as a rapper? What was going to be? I didn't know.

I knew that at ICT told a a a cold ass. story, >> you know, 6:00 in the morning, police at. my door, fresh. >> So, you you know, it's clicking now. Uh. Ice Cube once upon a time in the. projects. Yo, so we can't just say that. that that that that my storytelling is. is all that, you know, uh what what. about uh Will Smith storytelling? >> Mhm. >> You know, like Will Smith has some cold.

ass stories, man. >> Uh have you ever in your life. experienced a day where nothing at all. seems to go your way? Like day and day. >> Yeah. >> Hell of a storytellers, man. I grew up. in an era of hip-hop where where it was. a force to be reckoned with, man. They. had some nice and you love to hear the. story again and again how it all got. started way back when like that. Those. are immaculate come lines man. Those are. beautiful openings to a book. >> Bro, you have to have.

you have to have that in order to be a. coldblooded lyricist storyteller and. they had that and it just it just came. through me too. >> Do we have that now? In some cases, yeah, you got some cool some nice ass. storytellers in in rap right now. >> If I if I were to ask you, give me your. top five lyricists of all time.

>> All times. >> All time. Top five. >> I don't have a top five like that. Some greats. I'll give you some names of. some greats. Kane is a great. Rakima is. a great. >> um Chris is a great car was one. >> Yeah. >> Um that's LL. That's a LL. >> Yeah. You didn't. >> I did not. >> No, you didn't. >> L's are great. >> Mhm. >> Uh great lyricist. Nas is a great.

>> Yeah. >> Jay-Z is a great. I don't have a top five, >> right? >> You know, like mine my my top five are. going to the top thousands, you know. I. I I think I think that pot I think that. cube. I think that uh Shan and and. who am I missing? Like I can't I can't. because I I'll miss everybody. Q-tip is. great. >> Yeah. >> You know, Tia is a great Wayne is a.

great. >> You were named lyricist of the year in. 2001. You beat Ho B M Prodigy to leave. Koop. >> Who? You be a ho m prodigy. You surprised? Damn. I be damn. No, I'm. just. No, I mean I'm I'm I'm honored to be. among. uh uh the the greats, you know. How does. that make you feel when they when people. talk about lyricist? When they mention.

the KRS ones, when they mention the BDK, Big Daddy Kane, when they me when they. mention Rock him, that's that's that's in a selective few. conversations, man, that my name pops. up. I'm not I'm not I'm not mad or I. don't feel nothing, >> right? >> You know, I think that everybody's. entitled to their opinion, though. You. feel me? Like, >> it's it's people that people think just. like the best rappers in the world, and. I don't even I don't even see them. You know what I mean? Oh man, he's back.

Nah. >> Chris Rock said you wanted one of the. top three all time. No. No. Top three all times. Is if somebody. if somebody had to say, "Okay, for your. life, we going to add 10 extra years to. your life. Give me your top four rappers. all time.". >> Four. >> Four. Give me your top four. We're gonna. add 10 years to your life cuz we know. you ain't trying to go see the I just.

say [ __ ] it. Take take 10 off. For real, man. For real. You ain't tried to go like. that. I don't care, man. I I I don't. have a top four, man. Like I I would say. my top four influences then. Can I say. that? >> Yeah. Go ahead. >> Okay. Well, I'm gonna say Chuck. >> Chuck D. >> I'm gonna say Big Daddy Kane. Yeah, I'm. going say ice cube.

Shooty, man. I gotta I gotta I gotta I gotta say Cool. Jay because. it was just music that dude put out that. really inspired me to want to be. this man. >> Yeah,

>> I saw those guy, you know, the concerts. I saw LL. uh the Fat Boy. >> I was there. That's what I was talking. about. DMC, >> uh, Houdini. Yep. >> I saw the French Fest. >> I saw all them in concert one year. I. think it was like 1986. >> Yeah. That's the year That's the year. That's the year that, uh, that that's. the concert we were coming from when. dude robbed that store and and and. killed the clerk. >> Yeah. Wow. >> That's the concert we were coming from. It was called the Fresh Fest. >> Yeah, I remember. >> Yeah,

>> man. >> Yeah. Do you like do you really I mean cuz I. for me I don't think these artist a lot. of times artists today and people that. follow rap and hip hop today I don't. think they give that generation the. credit that they deserve because. nowadays it feel like if they didn't if. if if they didn't hear if they didn't. see it it didn't happen on the internet. yesterday it ain't happened. does that frustrate you. >> I think it's you know as as as as. shameful as it is man I can understand.

that because look at what they doing. with black history Yeah. >> Okay. >> You see what I'm saying? Like it it it's. it's black history is becoming uh uh. extinct. >> Mhm. >> You know, the more the more and more we. we try to talk about it and bring it to. the forefront, the more the more the. more they try to hide it. Okay. So, I. understand. And I would Yeah. If if if I. was trying to brainwash people, man, I. would do it exactly like that. I would. first take their history away and then I.

would poison their music. This is exact that's exactly what I. would do because. you it's it's really like I remember. back in the gap man it was all fire and. one or two you know. >> uh it failed that slid through the crack. >> right. >> but now it's. one or two fires. and everything slip through the crack.

It's my opinion, though. [ __ ] I'm And. I, you know, I'm I'm uh I'm different. I'm cut different. I'm a little older. and I know what it's supposed to sound. like. You know, I know the elements of. hip-hop. I was blessed enough to come up. in an era where. >> came up in the golden era. >> The golden era. Yeah. And and and and I. can I can I can actually go and thank my. um. >> the ones that came before me. I can. thank them for what for the for the. ground that they laid for me to stand. on, man. Like I see uh I see Kane, you.

know, and I see L. all the time, man. And I thank them. Even even uh uh uh Red Alert and Kid. Capri. I thank them for letting me, you. know, be a part of this. But I had the. opportunity to sit down with uh DJ Cass, Casanova Fly. >> I'm the C N O V A N F L Y. He stole the. man whole rap. >> That was Big Bang Hank. He wasn't.

casting Nova Fly, >> right? >> But I heard the story um along with So. it's Kumo D casting over Fly and Fab. Five Freddy having to talk, man, about. hiphop, man. And I have never felt so. unworthy. to be in a room in my life, bro. Like I don't feel worthy to be in there. with that because when they talk about. it from the beginning like it gives what. Shan said, you love to hear the story.

again and again how it all got started. way back when it give it a whole new. meaning when you sit and you listen to. them talk about. >> hip hop from the concept. the 50 years at the beginning. >> Yeah, man. It was unbelievable man. And. I was I was a fly on the wall in that. room listening to those voices tell that. story, man. And I was like, "Wow, I'm not worthy.". >> Storytelling. >> How did How did that become a part of.

Cuz that's who you are. You're a. storyteller, >> you know? I in I think it was in my. English class. >> Uh my English Yeah, it was early. >> Okay. >> You trying to be funny? I told you I'm get your ass back on it. all the time. You be popping on the. >> Yeah, y'all be popping on Shannon ass. hard, man. You see, I ain't I ain't. fired you up on camera, >> but. >> I'm not going to do it. >> Okay, I appreciate that. Okay, I'll. teach you that. >> You got it. >> But I already know you got something to. b. >> I got some [ __ ] now.

>> Hey, so my my English teacher when I was. probably in the third grade. >> um used to always tell me about writing, man. writing, your story had to have a it had. to have a beginning. It had to have a. a body, a climax. >> and then an ending. >> So, I always tried to write my records. like that. >> Okay. >> You know, to drag you into the story, man, to give you the.

to to to grab you and put you in that. [ __ ] like, "Oh [ __ ] I'm in.". >> Mhm. you know, and then take you to the. climax of it and then end it. >> Yeah. >> So that that's so it's just some old. English I was it English man or was it a. reading class or writing class? I don't. know. >> Right. >> But whatever whatever class it was, it. gave me that. >> Yeah. Because every excuse me, every. story has to have a start, it has to. have a middle, it has to have an end. >> Yeah. And that's what he said. A.

beginning, a body, a climax, and an. ending. >> Mhm. Yeah. >> So, I I took something from school. >> Right. You uh you were featured on. Biggie Post. Did you meet Did you ever. meet. >> I met Biggie. I did. I met him uh in in. uh uh Louisville, Kentucky. >> Okay. >> I met him there. Yeah. Cool dude, man. I. never spent a lot of time with Biggie, >> right? But um I did I did have the um.

the honor of put being on one of the. records. >> from the Biggie duets, >> right? >> So I'm on that. >> Yeah. >> Um Pac spent a lot of time with Tupac. >> because we we were discussing that Smile. might have been the last studio thing he. recorded. >> I can't say that. because he was always in the studio. I. probably left the studio and he did 35. more records that night. >> Maybe. >> You know, he was a workaholic, man. >> But probably though, we' have heard. about it.

>> True. >> What was he like? >> Pac was wild. He had a zero to. 100. Zero one. He He He I have never. seen him on zero though. Always always. seen him on 100. I've always seen him on. 100. and and and um. yeah, I ain't never seen him down.

It was always. it was always on fire. I remember one. time um true story. Where's Warren? So Pocket came to my room and I hate. when Warren bring people to my room. So. my brother brought Tupac to my room. We. staying in the um in the Lamontros in. LA. And Warren, I hate this man, but he. knocked on my door. I open the door and.

it's Tupac and Warren. Warren left. Tupac come in the room, man. And this is the first time we. started smoking the weed from. California. Uh-oh. So, I was really. really really really really high. Yeah. And I had a I had a a suite and it had. two beds, right? >> So I'm high. I'm watching TV, man. And. Pac come in there with all that loud ass. [ __ ] man. And I grab a remote control.

and I just handed it to him. He was in, "Yeah, man. We going so we. this.". He He sat there on the bed for a minute, man. flipping through the channels. He. walked to the uh to the patio door, looked out, and he seen Suge in a red. Mercedes Benz. And he left.

I don't think that uh Pac was that cool. with Suge back then, >> right? >> Cuz he did leave. And I don't know, they could have been. the best of friends, but I know that he. was gone, >> right? >> And we ended up getting out and going. out somewhere and I didn't I didn't see. Pac no more. But me and Pac been on. tours together, right? >> You know, >> we've been in Atlanta together. We we. that's that's my partner, man.

>> Like I would talk to Tupac on the phone. before he was uh. um. Me Against the Not Me Against the World, but uh what's one? What's the the other. album? All Out. I talked to Tupac before. he was all eyes on me. >> All right. Me and Pac been down since uh. Tupacal now. Pac. >> Mhm. >> You know what I mean? That's the P I. know. I know the the uh. this is for my Pac.

>> Wow. Yeah. I know that Pac. >> How is his sty writing style different. than yours? >> I don't know. >> You never seen him write anything? No, but I I can tell you that I was his. favorite rapper and he was mine. >> So, I leave that I leave that where it's at. So, maybe we did have similar writing. styles, but we never wrote together. As. a matter of fact, he would always be mad. at me because it took me so long to. write. >> records, you know, pissed at me, man.

Every time he comes in the studio, yeah, man, let's get up. We going to go here. We going to go. No, I'm not going there, >> right? I'm not I'm not going anywhere with Pac. to begin with because he doesn't have a. driver's license. Now, well, back then he may have got. one, you know, later, but he didn't have. no driver's license, >> but he drive with no license. Yeah, for. sure. Yeah. And he couldn't drive, man. And people was he trying to get me to. roll that Hummer one time and somebody. had a picture of that Hummer on the.

internet, man. And I was like, damn, man. That shot me back. But um he can't. he couldn't drive, man. And he was wild. >> and he'd be drinking and he'd be smoking. weed and [ __ ] No, man. I'm not going to. ride with him. >> He ain't got no license. He drinking, smoking weed. Not a very good driver. >> No, that's that's a recipe for disaster, man. And to prevent [ __ ] is always. better than trying to cure it. So, >> no pot. No sir. >> You told a story about Jay-Z and and how. you know you were in the studio and he's. like, "Yeah, I like I like this one." He.

gets up, goes into the booth, ain't. write nothing down. Oh. Oh, no. >> And all right. Dapp you up and. >> and pieced out. >> I be like, >> damn. I'm sitting in front of the board. stuck listening to the beat. >> He already raped. But he'll sit in that. little corner. Maybe I know you probably. seen on on the on the Timberland uh when. they dust his shows off. He hear the. beat and he. >> he rocking his [ __ ] and all of a sudden.

he going to take the vocal. Yeah. >> Explain tell the story uh uh the story. of how you said you said Jay-Z helped. you when you were at at your worst. We've heard stories about him what he. did for Little Wayne. We heard what he. did. You know Wayne had some tax. trouble. Jay-Z clear. Um he let DMX. leave. It was was in debt. Let him. leave. I think uh 21 Savage helped him. get an immigration lawyer. So we've. heard these great stories no matter what. people try to say bad about him, negative about him, but we hear more.

positive great stories. Tell your story. So you remember when I caught the CO and. kidney failure and all that? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Jay-Z chunk me a lifeline. and you know when I had the the kidney. and the co and the kidney Yeah. DJ. Khaled chunk me a lifeline. Yeah. >> So can't nobody tell me [ __ ] about Jay-Z. and DJ Khaled. >> Wow. because they chucked me a lifeline. and and and uh.

you know I I I gota I'm thankful. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Cuz I was I was I. didn't I wasn't working. >> right. >> But yeah, so shout out to whole man DJ. Khaled, you know? Um I always I always. talk to uh when I talk to Jay-Z call him. the keeper of the culture, man, cuz. >> he do that big brother [ __ ]. >> Yeah. You know, >> you think you think Ho would do another. album. >> for what? >> Because people say like for him. >> for what?

>> He's got to it like it's got to move. him. It's like it's got to be something. that like that calls out to him. And. right now ain't nothing calling. Let me tell you something, man. So, let me say this so I so I I won't be. misunderstood. He don't have no reason to rap no more. You know, we rap because we was hungry, man.

>> You know what I mean, >> right? >> Like, we we we spoke our we spoke our. heart and told our side of the story. because we was starving, man. You know, we ain't starving no more. >> You know what I mean? >> Yeah, I do. Absolutely. >> That man not starving no more, man. He. not that man got kid. You see how he. prepping them girls, man. You see that? >> It's crazy, ain't it, man? It's. unbelievable, man. How. >> And and I've been I've been knowing uh.

that baby since she was a baby, baby. >> And to see her up there with our mama. >> I'm like, I called him, man. I said, "Boy, >> Wayne, didn't we tell you. >> that ain't Wayne?". >> I mean, uh, >> that's Warren. >> Warren. Warren, we at. >> He can't help it. He can't help it. He. can't. >> He cannot He cannot help that [ __ ] man. Ever since we was kids, bro, he was. always on the phone. He always on the. phone. Always. He on the phone sleep.

He on the phone facetime driving and not. saying nothing. >> We got We got to do better. >> Like he just on the Look, his air his. earphones is. >> got pods in. He is on the phone. and he ain't talking about [ __ ] cuz his. mouth ain't even moving. >> No, he just listen. >> He just stopped. >> He might be listening to a beat. >> He not listening to no beat. That [ __ ].

can't rap. >> God damn. >> Oh, help me understand this. I know you. heard it cuz he was on he came on night. cap. Jim Jones and his influence in Nas. You cool with Jim? >> I love Jim Jones, but he out his mind, ain't it? >> I don't know why you I'm not going to. say [ __ ] about nothing. >> You okay with beefs? You ever have a rap.

beef with anybody? >> No, I ain't got no I don't want no beef. I don't I don't. >> When you when you when you never. >> I don't want beef good if beef No, [ __ ] What you want to do? Like Like. all that talking, [ __ ] What you want. to do? Like all that talk. What you want. to do? They want to talk. We be. >> I don't want a talking. What you want to. do? Well, keep my name out your mouth, punk. Period. Don't say [ __ ] about me. >> Like, that's how I felt about it. >> That's how you feel about it. >> Yeah. >> So, you ain't going to have no beef,

don't you? >> [ __ ] I'm done now. The I'm going to be. beefing for now. >> Yeah. You know. >> what the you want beef? Oh, you want. beef now? I ain't rapping no more. You. >> Now you want a beef? No, I don't I don't. I don't want no I don't want no smoke. from nobody in all honesty, man. Cuz. >> I can't control what nobody else do, >> right? >> You know what I'm saying? I can't. control what nobody else do. I ain't got. nothing to do with it, >> right? >> But I don't have no control over what. somebody else do, >> right? >> And and and back we was took that [ __ ]. so serious and soal, man.

>> They take it personal, man. >> Right. >> And I don't I don't never want to be in. in involved in that kind of stuff, man. >> Right. You have a great relationship. with Cube because you've been on a lot. of the soundtracks. >> A mentor. He's a mentor. >> You know, he's a mentor. We were We made. a song. made. Yeah, I leave that. But yeah, he's. a mentor. >> You work with Master P. You work with.

some heavyweights face. >> I did. So, I was listening to a song. I'm going. go back get the cube [ __ ] So I'm. listening to the uh I'm listening to a. record me and Cube did. We we sitting in. the studio listening together, right? >> And. I'm listening and he listening. and I'm like and he like he's like is. that you or me? I said I don't know. Damn. because that's how similar.

our styles and delivery. is, you know, that's how much influence. that. and impact that he has and had on my. career, >> right? >> You know what I mean? Cuz it's certain. [ __ ] that we don't know the difference. between like I have songs with Cube that. we don't know we don't know the. difference. >> Wow. >> Who's who? You know, you can tell in the rap part, but you can't tell in certain areas. where you saying [ __ ] Like, who is.

that? That's you. No, that's me. No, that's me. >> Where are you on ghost writing? >> Cuz some people like it's okay. Then. some people like I mean cuz nobody. nobody, >> you know. I think now who cares? >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> But back then. >> Yeah. >> MC Light said it the best. He said, "Whoever wrote your rhymes might as well. hold your microphone.". >> Damn. But now I don't give a I'm not in. no more. I don't care. Right. Do you however you get out. Like.

everything has changed, man. They had. the no snitch policy in effect. Everything has changed, man. Everybody. telling everybody business. >> Truth. >> Yeah. So, no things have changed, bro. >> So, the right to ride policy. >> Yeah. Whatever. >> Drake moved to Houston. You ain't tell. them about to come. Drake don't live in Houston. >> He got a place in Houston. >> He live in the country. >> So I want to live in the country, too. >> Okay. Go move to the country. You have you have no fun out there, but.

you have a lot of Well, no. Hell no. I. know what you trying. >> You look I'm just show me around. Just. show me where I need to live. Face. >> I'll show you where you need to live. >> Okay. >> But after that, that's it. >> Nah, I'm not going no way with you. >> Face. We still Hey, we going to kick it. I ain't got nobody. I know you lying. >> We going to kick it. >> I know. >> Drake said UK rappers are better than. American rappers.

I don't know a whole lot of UK rappers. >> I I I I you know what? I don't know. I. don't know any UK rappers, but I I don't. have nothing against them UK or But. that's like me saying Kobe was better. than Jordan. Yeah, >> you know, you had a blueprint to study, >> right? >> You know what I mean? Jordan created the. blueprint for you to study. So for for. Kobe to be better than him, that's a. possibility, >> right? >> You know, if you study the blueprint.

enough, you probably you be, excuse me, you become the blueprint, >> right? >> So if UK rappers are better than the. rappers from the United States, they had. enough to study. >> True. >> Okay. And they had enough time to study. it. >> Mhm. >> All right. So, no comment. I mean, that's that's my. comment. If you were to get, let's say, you know. what, somebody get Faith to come out, who would you like to get on the beat. with? >> Nobody. >> Can't nobody get you to come out of. retirement. >> I'm done.

I got on Cub's uh uh uh uh uh ego. >> Yeah, but that's it. That's That's best. you going to do. >> Yeah, Ice Cube. I can come off ice cube. >> Okay. I did come up a cute, >> right? >> Houston, you got Beyonce, you got Meg, you got Travis Scott, you got Lizo, you. got Bro, you got Bun B. Y'all, what's what's in Houston? What What are. we missing about Houston? Hell, the cat out the bag now. Everybody.

moving there. Got room for one more. Hell no, man. Cuz. you bring company. So yeah, uh um. we got some dope ass artists, man. You. missing you missing a lot out of out of. Houston, man. You know, you missing a. lot. You you you got you got uh uh. Slim's a native. Kiki's a native. >> Yeah. >> Paul. Um.

>> Paula. Yeah. Paul Walker. >> Yeah. >> Lil Kiki. >> Yeah. Kiki. Yeah. Sauce. >> Walker. Yeah. >> Clay Kleó. like you got some heat coming. out of Houston, man. They can really go. Kino. um is one of the guys that came up a. little before I did. And. I think he's the epitome of what Houston. rap should have been, >> right? >> You know, or could have been because. he's a lyrical uh giant in it, you know.

Matter of fact, he's on my uh album. I can't remember the song, but he's on the um Emmeritus album. >> with the song of me slim and uh Kino, but he's a he's a pillar in in in in in. Houston uh hip hop, man. And it's a few. more, but we got some smoke out there, man. Yeah, you do. You do. You know, do. you think people start beefing now just. to get attention? Cuz I see a lot of.

people going in somebody I'm like, I. didn't know they were beefing. When did. this happen? You asking about rapping, man. I don't. know too much about it no more. You. know, I always thought that when you All. right. >> The [ __ ] went to clothing. I'm. going get one. But. I got the edit button. Oh, you got dang. show. When when when you when you. beefing with somebody, man, somebody. actually did something to you back then.

>> Okay. Okay. you know, and and and when. you saw each other, you fought. >> Mhm. All right. Perfect example is like. uh Ice Cube in WA when Cube left the. group and uh they both were at the new. music seminar in New York, >> they fought. All right. >> Yeah. >> So, when you got a when you got a beef, man, they fight. You fight, right? You d. somebody on record. When you see them, you got to be prepared to do whatever. you got to do. >> Yeah. But now nowadays,

>> they just talking. >> They just talking. Yeah. It's just. >> rapping. >> Yeah. >> Kanye, you you work with Kanye? >> I did. >> What What's Kanye like in the studio? >> When I was working with Kanye, man. Kanye bad. He bad, bro. >> Oh, he Kanye cold. Kanye cold. >> I think sometimes we forget about that. face because you see some of the antics. that he's got going on now. But. >> you go back and look at college dropout. 808, >> bro. Kanye uh would come to the studio.

See Kanye was a producer man before he. started rapping. >> Correct. >> Okay. And he always That's him on the. Dean on the Guess Who's. Oh, that's that's that's Kanye. >> Wow. But. Kanye when he back when he was making. beats man like he played beats for days. and days and days and he just sit there. and play them. and you be like, "Man,

wow. I got so many beats from Kanye uh. from the from the Fix album and um. working on other stuff, but I got a lot. of music with Kanye that never uh that I. never put out, >> right? >> But Kanye was the the producer, man. And. we had that we had a a a tight ass. producer rapper relationship, man. And. that was my friend, too, man. That's my. partner, right? you know, and um.

that fork. that fork in the road, you know, we all. started together. I always feel like me. and Jay and and Yay and DMX and uh Irv. and we were all in the office together. >> We was all in the office together. and we was leaving. We was riding. We. was riding and then they went here and I. was like, you know what? I'm going to go. home.

>> I went home, man. >> And I don't feel bad about going home, bro. >> Right. >> I don't feel bad about going home. because I don't ever want to be in the. position where I can't enjoy. >> what you have. >> me. I just want to enjoy me, bro. You. know, enjoy my life. enjoy the the the. the fruits of my labor, you know, >> which ain't a whole lot of [ __ ] but. >> it's mine and I and I ain't got to have. no 75 traveling with me when when I go.

somewhere, you know what I mean? I don't. have to. >> hide and [ __ ] man. I don't want to. hide. I don't want to run from nobody, >> you know? I just want to wave at them. and and gone on about my business. So, I. don't want to be too famous. Never. >> Right. Sampling. Where are you on. sampling? Do you let somebody sample. some of your stuff? And if they do, do. you have to hear it? I don't care.

I don't care about nothing that got. anything to do with this no more. Damn. Very very bitter about it. Why you so. bitter about it? >> I just. You feel you were wronged, taken. advantage of. the the the music industry. within itself is wrong. >> Okay. >> All right. If you look at I I would like. to compare contracts. I would like to. compare a Beasty Boys contract to a. ghetto boy contract or you know what I.

mean? I' I'd like to see uh um. so I'd like to see other. um. >> genre artists. >> artists. Yeah. I would like to see a a. maze contract as opposed to a Van Halen. contract. >> You feel me? Mhm. >> Like I know it's a big big uh difference. between the the pay scales in those. contracts, but yeah, it's not. >> Nah, bro. So, I don't care what they do with it. >> What do you know now you wish you had.

known then? >> I I don't I don't want to change nothing. about it. You know, I'm right where I want to be. >> Really? Yeah. I'm not I don't I don't. need no whole lot. You know what I mean? Like I don't need. a lot. >> I mean, you pay when I come to Houston, huh? >> You pay it when I come to Houston. >> I'm what? >> You're paying. You going to reach in. your back pocket, pull out your I don't. know if you maybe you carry a a money.

clip or something, whatever. And you. going to put that down. >> on what? >> You know, I like, you know, I like. >> on you. >> Yeah. >> No, bro. >> Hold up. How I'm going to come to. Houston and you think I'm going to pay, >> bro? I'm in Vegas and I ain't even had. lunch yet and it's. it's 6:00. I haven't even had breakfast. I I'm trying to figure out how that get. to be my fault. I'm doing club shay. We we we we you know tight budget right.

now. >> No [ __ ]. Tight budget right now. No [ __ ]. >> streaming. >> No. Absolutely not. >> Should so so should rappers take their. their music off stream to to get it back. to where people got to pay real money to. get it? >> Yep. >> I would. I remember when it was 99 cent to listen. to. >> Yeah. or something. >> You know what I mean?

>> Yeah. >> Like so here's the thing. Like it cost. it costed us so much money to make those. albums. >> It cost so much to pay a producer. But. now, you know what? I think producers. may make a beat for $200. Now, >> I'm not lying. But I know I know back in. the gap, you know, a Dr. Dre beat was. $250 grand. You know, Timberland beat. was. 150 $200,000. >> Wow. >> As as as the Neptunes and all of them. that that [ __ ] was high.

>> Yeah. So, it would be shameful to get a. beat from these top-notch producers and. then have to put your [ __ ] on a stream. and wait for it to stream, >> right? >> You know, 4,000 stream a million streams. is $4,000. >> What? Yeah. 1 million streams is $4,000. >> Wow. >> So, you got to get So, basically, in. order to get some money, you got to do. like a billion streams if you want some. money. Yeah.

>> So like Drake and Kendrick, they doing. billions. >> They doing billions of streams. So they. getting money. >> Yeah. Beyonce, >> Taylor. streams, you know. But I don't It's It's too. much. It's too much red tape, man. In. between that because you don't never. know. It's kind of like the record. selling too. You don't know how many. records you really sold, >> right? >> You know what I mean? >> What they tell you. >> It's just go by what they tell you, you. know? But the streaming I still I'm. still not hip to how this works,

>> right? And that's why I'm not uh putting. out putting out any uh new music. I'm. not releasing any new music because it. would just be all done in vain because. those people have come up with something. so slick. to cut us all the way out the money. >> You know, the mom and pop saved hip hop. The mom and pop saved our lives because. if we couldn't do anything else, we can. sell a h 100,000 records and make a. million dollars. >> God forbid you sold a million records.

and made $10 million, >> you know. >> But you but you used to go back in the. day, you look forward to going to the. shop and getting the vinyl. >> You did. And you read the credits. >> Yes. >> And you can roll a square on the record. You say, "Yes, yeah.". You know, you pop the cassette in. I. introed my album, The Fix. I got this. brand new face tape I'm about to pop in. the deck for you. >> Turn up the radio. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. Like we we had we had jams, man.

And they sold, not just listening to. [ __ ] man. And oh, I'm I I'mma listen to. this and I'mma pay him half a penny, but. after this I want to hear something else. and pay them half a penny. No, you had. to buy that body of work. >> Yeah. Like you can't you can't like a a. a a real artist, man, you can't. >> judge their body of work by one song. >> Okay. >> I would way I would prefer way more if. someone would just listen to an album. from front to back. That's why all my. [ __ ] jam from front to back because I.

had a chance to. >> listen to my album from front to back. >> Right. >> And it jammed. >> You were at Def Jam South. You was. running Death Jam South when you South. when you discovered Ludicrous. I can't say I discovered Ludacris. >> He fell in your lap. >> A whole lot of [ __ ] fell in lap. Ludacris was already doing numbers, >> you know. He was already he was in he. was on the radio. >> Y. >> and he already 30,000 records sold. already. >> on that What's Your Fantasy? >> Yeah.

>> Um. >> so he was he was like a handsoff artist. to me. >> Yeah. >> And he just fell on the lap. Death Jam. picked it up and and push it a little. further. But you got to think about all. of the other artists that slipped. through the cracks. >> You had an opportunity. What? You try to. get TI, try to get Ross. >> Yeah. >> David Banner, >> uh, start naming them. I tried to bring. them over there. But back then, the. music that was coming from down south. was so iffy to them. >> Like the the music from down south was. so iffy to them. They weren't on it.

>> like they on it right now. >> You know, at first you never you didn't. hear that, >> right? coming from the east coast of of. California. Now that's all you hear. Even if you're not from down south, your. music still sound like you from down. south. >> Correct. >> That's crazy. >> Yeah. >> But it is what it is. >> What have you learned about money face? It's only It's money is like religion, man.

It's only as good as the person. who has it or who believes in it. You. know what I mean? Cuz you could be. you could be a a a a very very rich. person. >> and create a facade, you know, for. everybody else like you're the best. person in the world, >> right? >> But when you're elected and the and the. and the lights get put on you, then they. realize what kind of piece of [ __ ] you. really are.

>> All right. Mhm. >> Or you can be just a regular person. with no money. >> and be the greatest person in the world. So it's only as good as the person who. believes in it or has it. It's like. religion. I think Fat Joe said on his his podcast. uh Joe and Jada that rappers live. paycheck to paycheck. You believe that? >> It's possible. It's possible. because you got to think about it. You.

get paid. Well, I don't know how to get. paid now. I don't know how to get paid. now, but you got paid twice a year. That's it. >> Mhm. So, you had to make that money. last. >> Yeah. Oh, you had to do a lot of shows, >> right? >> Yeah. You got paid in uh. September and March. >> Mhm. Oh, the game is the gaming is all the. way around crooked, right?

>> You know, and and and and. you made you sold all of those records. and you get paid twice a year. >> Mhm. >> And then they got something they call. reserves. They put some records in reserves in. case they come back. And it's like, damn. Then you never see that happening. And then it's like, wow, they got a cold. system going on. But. it is what it is, >> right? >> You know, that's that's that's the way.

that that that's the way they designed. it. And I'm looking at all of the older. artists that's like older than me. I'm. looking at uh uh George Clinton get all. his [ __ ] back. >> You know, they got it to where. >> So your your your thing is going to. revert back to you after what, 25 years? >> 35. >> 35. So you ain't got but like you ain't. got but like 10 to go. >> 10? >> Yeah. You ain't got much longer. >> You think I'll be here that long? >> Yeah. You be here. Okay. Yeah. I mean, come to Houston. >> Copyright. I'm not kicking it with you,

bro. >> Face. >> No, sir. >> Same age. I mean, we you just talk age. >> You sound You say same age. >> We close in age. I said. >> you didn't say same. >> Close, >> bro. You almost 60. Well, damn. Faith. Why you giving up my info, >> bro? >> Ain't nobody ask you that. >> But you I got the cards. Why you get why you get. >> Hey, but you know what though? >> You just talked we talked about. snitching early. You remember you. mentioned snitching. >> You mentioned snitching.

>> But you know what though? When you. walked in the building, I said, "Man, >> that man walk like don't nothing hurt.". >> They do. I got artificial hips. >> Your hips fake? >> Yeah. >> And then you don't feel none of that. pain. >> No. >> Boy, when I get up, man, I Everything. hurt, >> man. You get your hips replaced, man. I. mean, I've been there. I mean, hurt. Sitting down hurt, walking hurt, sleeping hurt, standing hurt, everything. hurt. Man, I might need to get a new. hip. They put You got two hips. >> Got both of them. >> They put two hips in.

>> Yeah. >> What they look like? >> Perfect. I mean, cuz you got to realize. your hips. >> No, I'm just No, I'm notic Your hips are. they call probably arthritic. And so. they go in. >> So you got you got like like some hips. that came off of a a horse or they made. you some hips. They they're uh a ball. cuz the hip socket is a ball. So they. just took the old hip out. >> So a hip is a ball. >> Yes. Ball socket. Yes. >> Face. >> Did you see the Did you actually see the. actual hip?

>> Yes. I could have kept it. I was like, "No, I'm good.". >> You don't ever want to remember that. [ __ ] no more, huh? >> That was That was a bad years. >> Yeah. I got up out the chair, man, and. Shannon was like, "Damn F. What's wrong. with you, man? Man, that [ __ ] hurt, man. I play golf every day. And I'm hurting right now. >> Look like you played football every day. K. >> Hey Sh, I'mma bake your ass, man. You. better leave me alone. >> Okay, man. My bad. My bad. My bad. >> You got to leave me alone. >> But we let Can we just tell the truth? We told uh talking to face off camera.

Face got kids. Six, seven, who cares? Hey, this sound like a uh a uh. >> he sound like a he sound like a he sound. like a old ass [ __ ] that coached uh uh. little league T-ball. Everybody get over there. Everybody get. over there and pick them balls up. Daniel, get the glove off the ground, son. What's wrong with you? >> I But I read you where you said you were.

you were terrible at your bad father. You weren't you weren't No, I'm. terrible. Have you gotten better? Cuz you got. >> Have I gotten better, Chris? >> Damn. >> He all right. Chris said you ass. >> I missed the question. >> Oh, he said, >> tell a question again. So Faith said he. uh he didn't do too well as a father. No, >> he he better now, Chris. Uh.

>> yes. I say yeah. >> He say yeah. Chris wouldn't lie. [ __ ] Chris lying now. I um. >> Well, it happened because you were so. young because your older I mean you had. your oldest like 17. >> Yeah. I didn't I didn't I didn't I. didn't really um. I didn't really look at fatherhood as. like being a father.

>> I just figured you throw money at it and. cover it up. But. uh watching my children with their. children has made it made me a better. father. I was like, "Oh shit." So this. is what it is. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> you're a better grandfather than you are. a father than you were a father. >> I can say that for sure. Yeah. My. grandson come by the house the other. day, man. And that that chump uh. that chump walking and. you know.

my other grand boy I. chump walking and talking and every time. he see me go hey. that's what I say to him be like hey be. like when he see me on the face I hey. hey. >> what what they call you grandpa face. >> G. Yeah. But but Chris, >> they call him Papa. >> Yeah, they call him Papa. Yeah, >> he started that [ __ ] That's all right. I'll get him back. >> That's my That's That's what my That's. what my grand called me. My grandson.

called me Papa. I want to be Papa. >> Man, that's too bad. >> What? What you What you think? >> You are. You're [ __ ] 60, bro. >> You are 60. >> That's close. >> I'm 36 months older than you, >> man. That man can count and [ __ ] I. would been like. that's why I should have stayed in. school, huh? Man, I can't remember [ __ ]. man. I can't remember nothing, man. I. can't remember nothing, man. >> Are you cool? Are you you cool with the. parents? With their mom, >> I think so. Yeah, >> cuz you ran into a And but you know.

what? At this point, it ain't even about. being cool with the moms no more. It's. about being cool with the kids. >> But you had a situation where you was. giving cash to one of the moms and not. through the court. >> Yeah. I mean, everybody's going to go. through that [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> Everybody's going to go through that. [ __ ] man. And I think that that is. probably the most unfair thing that you. could do to a man. As a matter of fact, that creates a um a strain. uh in parenting.

>> You know what I mean? You be like, "Man, I want to spend time with my dad." And. be like, "You was a. you was a a token. You was a check. You. wasn't you weren't you was a you wasn't. >> that, >> right? >> This ain't that, >> you know. You was a pawn, >> right? >> For a bigger scheme. I don't um. and it's sad, you know, that that kid. has to suffer like that. >> Yeah. >> Because the lady want to drag the.

parent, the other parent through some. [ __ ] And it's all on us. You had to go. through this [ __ ] too. >> I have. >> Yeah. So they they it's everything fall. on the on the dude. >> you know when. >> but we were young. I think the thing is. face like when you young you don't. really it's not like you know when you. have if you have kids like in your late. 20s early 30s but when you having kids. as a teenager in your early 20s y'all. don't know how to be no parent and you. do and you're not doing what's in the. best interest for the kid. I get mad at.

you. I'm pun I'm trying to punish you. but I'm actually hurting the kid. And it. wasn't until you start to realize like, look, come on now. It's about them. It ain't about us. And then once you realize that, you're. like, okay, okay, okay. Yeah. Well, in my case, big bro, and in a whole lot of cases, and I can speak for a lot of men out.

there like in that situation that had a. lot of money. It's it's it's guys that. don't want to parent them them kids. though some some kids because the mother. used that kid as a as a payday. He like, "Here, I'm just going to pay you off. I. don't want nothing to do with either one. of y'all.". >> And and that that's some bad [ __ ] too. [ __ ]. >> Yeah, it is. Absolutely. you know, but. it is what it is. >> If if mama would have been, you know, straight up in the beginning, then that. wouldn't have been the result in the. end, >> right? >> And and don't do bad [ __ ] to everybody.

else because, you know, the [ __ ] didn't. work out with you, >> right? >> You know, don't be bitter at at him. >> because it didn't work out. You know, just take. >> Yeah. You have to you sometimes you just. have to bite your lip and do you know, hey, I understand you don't like me, but. hey, I'm still going to come get the. kid. >> They going to the Super Bowl. I'm They. going to be with me during the summer. They going to do all that stuff. >> All that [ __ ]. >> All that. >> I get it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And and and it works like that in.

some cases. >> You have to. Chris just left, but Chris is your son. and he gave you second chance at life. He gave you a kidney. When you found. >> he gave him the first chance. No, I'm messing with you. Go ahead. No, >> when when you found out because. obviously you got to go to match. >> It's not a match. >> That's That's not. >> That's not true. >> No. If if if me and you Yeah. Yeah. We.

have to see if we match, >> right? >> But he come out my nut bag, >> right? So. >> I know that's that's that's my kid. You. know what I mean? >> Yeah. So, so how do you how do you ask a. son? >> I did not. >> Really? >> He asked me. >> You broke down crying, did you? >> No, not then. I probably could now though. cuz he he saved my life. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You know what I mean? >> I said, "No, I need a Ferrari.".

That's what you said, right. [ __ ] That's why that's why I. ain't call you. That's main reason why I. didn't call your ass cuz I knew what you. was going to say. Chris. Hey Chris, you. should have held out Chris. You could. have got it. And then just this past I. think it was what October you had the. the. >> August. >> August. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Were you short? Were you were you having. shortness of breath? What was going on? Uh,

so. I had aortic hernia back in 2014. [Music]. >> And when they scoped me, they noticed. that I had an aneurysm on my aorta, a. small one. >> They was like, you know, we ain't got to. do nothing now, but we got to watch it. >> Mhm. >> And I was like, okay, cool. And I was. like, well, y'all might as well gone on. and fix it if you can, you know. >> Yeah. >> He said, no, we got to cut you off. And. I was like, no thanks. You're right. >> Yeah. No, thank you. >> Um, and as time went on, man, time went.

on, we was watching, we was watching it, we was watching it, we was watching it. Caught the CO. >> Mhm. >> Uh, kidneys fell, you know, running the. heart, you know, they didn't know what. the CO was. I was probably one of the. first people in America that have this. [ __ ] Wow. Yeah. And they they seen what. it did to your heart, seeing what it did. to your lungs and all this, and they. noticed that that little thing was. getting bigger. The aneurysm was getting. bigger. Um, fast forward to uh kidney. transplant, it's there. It's time to go.

ahead and get it done, >> right? >> You know, but. I pushed it off, pushed it off, pushed. it off, pushed it off, pushed it off for. years and and it kept getting bigger and. bigger. It just wouldn't go. It's not. going to go away. >> Right. >> That problem is one of those ones that. just don't go away. So, um, my, um, cardiologist, you know, did all he. worked me up and looking at and.

introduced me to my surgeon. His name is. Dr. Andrea Corti. >> Mhm. >> Probably the most soughtafter uh, best. heart surgeon in the in the world. He. did uh, he did babies, >> you know, he did their surgery, right? >> So, he's he's really really incredible. Uh, long story short, man, he was like, "Man, uh, he wanted to put me on a trans. a transplant list to get a heart. transplant." Wow. >> Yeah.

He said, "Man, why don't you do the CT. scan so I can just see what I'm up. against, >> right?" you know, so that Friday, well, well, that whatever day that was, we did the CT scan, he saw it or. whatever. And then I say, "Well, I'm. going to be ready when I come off this. tour.". And um I can't remember what month that. was. I think it may have been February. or something. And um. he insinuated to, you know, he said. something to the extent of like I may.

not have that much time, >> but I didn't want to have this [ __ ] done. in the first place. So I was willing to. run the run the risk of dropping dead on. stage if I had to, >> right? >> It's real [ __ ] This is real [ __ ]. >> Um when I uh came back off the tour, I. had an appointment and uh he said we're. going to schedule it. Um. this was in April. or or June. We were scheduling for.

August, >> right? >> All right. So time kept coming near, kept getting near. Kept kept it's. coming. It's cycling, man. I go to the. to to the doctor and they want to do. another CT scan. I opted out of it. Friday. That Friday, I said, I'll come. back Monday and do it cuz I got to be in. here Tuesday to do the surgery anyway. So, I went in that Monday morning and. got the the CT scan done and they were. looking at it and. everybody looked nervous and worried, right? >> And uh I told him, "Take this [ __ ] out.

of my hand. I'm not staying here. I'm. having surgery in the morning. I'm going. to go." And one of those doctors came in. and told me, he was like, "Hey, man. You. coming in in the morning to have. surgery?" I said, "Yeah." He said, "Good. Don't forget." Right. I left I. I'm I'm having uh lunch with uh with. with um a good friend of mine and her uh. bodyguard. And um they call my phone. and uh she said it was a surgery.

coordinator that said the doc said you. need to back in the hospital now. You. need to be back in the hospital right. now. I say well I got a tea time. tell. the doctor, tell tell the surgeon to. call me and tell me that himself. So two. seconds later, my phone rings and I say, "Damn, doc, it busted." He say, "I don't. know if it happened. a week ago or 10 minutes ago, but you. need to get back now.". So I went and I got me a pint of ice. cream and some uh butter pean vanilla.

Some homemade vanilla. And I went to uh. uh Frenches. cuz I knew that was it. >> So you said, "I'm going to have me some. vanilla ice cream." What you say? Some. fried chicken. >> Fried chicken. >> Yeah. I went to the hospital, man. And I. remember my mama saying that it's just a. win-win for him. If he lived, he win. If he died, he win. And uh.

[ __ ] I got up a couple of day. I didn't. even know I didn't even know it was uh I. thought it was like the same day, right? >> It was like two days later. It like a. day or some change later. Damn. >> Yeah. Like I was out of there. >> And when I woke up, they had the tube in. my mouth and and and I could breathe, but I couldn't breathe. >> Right. >> So, Miss Felicia was like, "Put it back. down. Put it back down." Like, I was. trying to take that tube out of my. mouth, but they had me strapped down and. I couldn't breathe. Right. So they put.

me back out again. >> And then they. >> So they put you in a coma, had you? >> They put me back out but the lady was. trying to get me to do [ __ ] and I was. like and then all of a sudden I just. went. cuz I remember calling you and you like. man I just I said man stop [ __ ]. >> Yeah I had it and I woke up man from. that [ __ ] with everything. >> and you the only one I let FaceTime be. because man I said man you ain't had no. damn open heart surgery. He said, "Man, answer the He answer about answer the. answer the phone. I know you I know you.

don't FaceTime heart open." No. Yeah, you got it. But but the first thing I. said when I woke up, I seen my mama, man. I looked at my mama was some tough. mama. Tough mama. >> Tough. And she said, "Yeah, baby, you. tough.". But that was the first words. to my mama, I'm tough, mama. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Now you work out. You watch what you. eat? Yeah. >> No, you don't watch what you eat.

>> Get up and walk away from me. Yeah. >> No, I'm just playing. It's bad here. >> You said if you knew you going to live. so long, you took better care of. yourself. >> Hey, man. My mama used to say that, man. Now I understand why. >> Yeah. If I knew I was going to live this. long, I'd take better care of myself. >> You still eat oxtails, though. You still. eat fried chicken. You still eat pork. chops? >> No, I don't. >> You eat fried catfish? >> No, sir. You don't eat nothing fried. once in a while. I don't really eat bad. and I don't eat a lot either.

So, what's a t what's a typical meal? Okay. You going to be eat breakfast? You. you a breakfast person? >> I am. >> Okay. You what? Grits, eggs. >> No, I eat a uh. two uh. two uh scrambled not scrambled over easy. eggs. >> Okay. >> And I eat uh chicken sausage with it. >> Okay. And then for lunch. I may eat a salad. And then for dinner it could be. anything. E.

>> you don't eat salad? Ah I mean I mean. not just a salad. >> Yeah, I can eat a salad. So you have. chicken on it. You have you like salmon? I love salmon. That's my favorite. That's my go-to. But now I don't really. I don't really go ham on food no more. because I've been fat before and I'm. taking testosterone shots when I'm. getting fed again. So you not working. out? >> Not yet. >> What you waiting on, >> man? I got to get I Man, I just had open.

heart surgery less than a year ago. >> I don't want to be lifting no weight. this [ __ ] bust back open. I'm. sitting on the football field with my. little league football team and I'm. excuse me trying to teach this. kid Yeah. I do a goddamn uh push-up and. I get down there and I feel this [ __ ]. pulling apart again. I'm like, damn. Yeah. Well, you took the you took the. shot before you started working out. You. supposed to work out. Did take the shot. >> No, man. See, there you go looking at me. I.

can't I can't with you, man. You won't. take nothing serious. >> How did How did you How did you guys uh. The ghetto boys, how did you How did. that come about? >> Were you all friends? Did y'all know. each other? I ain't know him. >> But damn. >> Didn't know him. >> Most people in a group start a group, they know each other. Went to high. school together, went to middle school, lived in the same neighborhood. How the. hell y'all form a group and not know. each other from the jump? >> So, uh, the Scarface song, Jay Heard it, and then come to the crib, wanted me to.

be a ghetto boy. So, I get into the van. This is the infamous van. >> and and Willie. and Red and Bushwick. And I think. Jukebox was there. and he was Bushwick was a dancer at the. time. He wasn't even no rapper yet, >> right? >> And it was me, Willie D, and Jukebox. that was rapping. That's why when you. listen to um.

trigger happy. I can't say it was that. it was a couple of songs that uh. Jukeboxer did when he was a part of the. ghetto boys that knew when me and. Bushwick I mean when me and Willie Bill. wasn't in the group he was just a dancer. at that. Um, let me remember this correctly,

but um, some kind of way Jukebox had. left the group. And I don't remember if. it was Willy's idea or Jay's idea whose. idea was to have this little. rapper talking. >> cash [ __ ] and rapping, you know, right? A a little guy. And um so from that. point on, Beo worked with him in the in. the uh in the mirror, you know, helping. him, you know, with his with his words,

with his raps and and and Willie and I. wrote records for Bill, right? While he. recited them, >> but I didn't know Bill and I didn't know. Willie. I didn't know none of them, you. know, right? And um. Red. left the group. um before my mind playing tricks on me. came out before that we can't be stopped. album, >> right? And um shoot.

That's kind of how it. >> got it went. Yeah. I didn't know nobody. and they didn't know me. But I would. make a record with them and I would just. be I'd be gone, right? >> I make a song and I would leave. But. then Jay put us at the ranch and then we. had to stay there, >> right? >> So we make a song and then start another. song and then start another song, >> you know, and we did that for a week or. two, >> right? >> We made that first ghetto boys album in. a week or so, two weeks. If the if there.

was a biop about the ghetto boys, who's. going to pay Scarface? What age? Where you in the ghetto boys? >> What age? They got to say what? Like I'm. talking about why the time I was in it. >> Yeah. I don't know. I I'd have to use one of. my kids. like Cube did. Cube use his kid to. betray him. But can your kid rap? Chris, can you rap?

Yeah, you can't. >> Brad can rap. Bryce can rap. >> Okay. >> Somebody can rap. If not, I would find. an actor, somebody good. Probably the. dude that played Bobby Brown or. something. >> Jay Prince said the Fred the Feds tried. to get you to flip on him. Do you. remember that time? >> They always trying to get somebody to. flip on Jack. >> Yeah. >> But you stayed 10 toes. It's a J J. Prince said him, SH got it was trying to. create a distribution label.

>> and that's when all the [ __ ] started. >> Really? >> I feel like that when they was talking. about uh flipping the flipping the. script and taking the power away. >> Mhm. You know, I think if you putting. out your own, if you 100% independent and you putting. out triple platinum albums independently. then and you taking everybody out, can't. nobody eat off of it. But but y'all, >> right? >> Hell, somebody's going to start paying. attention because you with somebody's.

money, >> right? >> You know, and this ain't nothing but. man, America ain't nothing but money and. law. That's it. You got money and the. law, right? That's the only thing that. separates. money and law. >> That album cover, we can't be stopped. Is that the greatest cover? I hated it. Why? >> If you look at my face on that on that. album cover, I absolutely hated that. cover. What the I just feel like it was, you know, I always say that too. Like.

I think I honestly think that that was. Chief that pulled that patch down off. Bill eye. >> Did his girlfriend really shoot him in. the eye? >> That's y'all made that up. >> No, his a a girl shot Bill in the eye. for real. >> What you shoot him with? 22. >> 22. Yeah. Shot him in the eye. >> So he was making that up. in my eye. I.

wasn't there. Oh, but I know that they. he shot him in the eye. She shot him in. the eye. That was hard cover though. It was a. hard cover. But you know the man was. Bill wasn't even woke. He sitting up in that [ __ ] dead. He was like, "How y'all do to man like that, man?". >> That was See what I'm saying? That. wasn't me. Hey, but Chief had it with the phone in.

his head, too. Like, got to prop his ass back up. What's up, Bill? [Laughter]. >> Politics. You ran for uh Councilman. You going to. >> council? Yeah, I ran for city council. >> You going to do it again? Will you do it. again? >> I am. I was going to do it this time, but this snake in the grass. >> Yeah. >> Going to say no names, but he's a snake. Um, he was telling me that he was going.

to do this. in this seat and I was going to do that. in that seat and yeah, man, we going to. do this together, man. We going to be. together, man. >> And then push turned into a sh and. homeboy was like, he did something else. So, nah, I'm going to do it though. again. You going to do it again? >> Yeah, but it won't be on those terms. though, right? and be on my own.

>> Have you always been into politics? >> I have. I've always been into politics. Tricks. Politics. >> Politics. Okay. >> That's what's happening now, >> right? >> I think that if people really gave a. damn about the condition of of black. people, then they would do more than. talk, right? you know, they would do. more than um. spoon feed us. >> if you really really really really. really.

gave. any. >> a damn. >> about the condition of our community, >> then. you would do what needs to be done for. that community. And it's not putting. programs in place or it's not, you know, government assistant or it's not uh uh. uh this or that or taking our education. away from us so we'll never know who the. we are. It's not that. All right. And I.

don't I don't know why a certain group. of people feel like they have to. continuously punch down, that's a word, punch down on black people. I know for a fact that black people are. so great. So great. >> I'm I'm talking about birthright great. >> Yeah. >> Birthright great. Until. people would do anything to dim that. light.

Do anything to dim that light or make. you forget who you are. And then impose and interject. the you that they want you to be. >> And and that's that would be the you. that you become. >> if you really think about it. >> I know you're a sports fan and you guys. got KD. Y'all going to win the. championship this year? >> I like KD. I like KD, too. I asked you,

are you going to win the championship? >> I said I like KD. >> Damn. We have a Y'all got a good ass. team. We got a KD Almond Thompson. Y'all. uh shingon y'all reside van. >> shingun spell it. >> never mind because look when I was a. little boy hold up hold. when I was a little boy right we say a. big ass word and my grandmother be like. so and so so and so spell it. >> so when I heard sangon. >> I said spell it. >> I think it's s e n gu.

>> however you spell it. >> boy so one time um Brad was like. four or five and Bryce was like too, right? And uh Bryce walked up to Brad. and he slapped the [ __ ] out of Brad and. I heard and I looked back and and Bryce. said, "Oh, Brad, I'm sorry, Brad. I'm so. sorry, Brad. I'm sorry, Brad. That was. an accident." And I said, "Accident.". Spell accident. He said, "Br.

Accident.". It was an accident. He didn't mean to do. it. Bryce spelled accident. That was really good. >> Yeah. >> Anyway. Yeah. >> So, y'all win the championship this. year. What about. >> I didn't say that. >> The Texans. >> Y'all win the championship. >> I love CJ Stout. I love our head coach. I love uh. >> I like Mo. I like De Mo. >> De Mo Ryan is a mean. He was a cold ass. linebacker. I I I I I.

>> I don't have nothing bad to say about. the Texans, the Rockets, or the Astros. I think we got three uh uh different. sport franchises that are excellent, >> right? >> Um. >> I move that we can go to the games and. stuff. >> I'm not going nowhere with you. >> I wouldn't. And it's not me and I'm not. the junior. That's why they don't have. me in that seat. But I don't move. Jaylen Green. and a few uh.

>> first round draft picks for. >> KD at this age. They're trying to win. now. Like tomorrow. Okay. Yesterday. I Man, I. I don't think there's nobody in the. league that's going to be better than KD. right now. >> Yeah. >> So, >> but he's 38. >> 36. >> Oh, he 36. >> Yeah. >> Warren, why you tell me man was 38? >> Oh, he 36. >> Yeah. >> Oh, [ __ ] I would have took KD any any. day. >> I thought he was old as hell. >> Nah, >> I thought you remember when the Rockets.

picked up Scotty Pippy. Scotty Pipp was. like 42. Yeah. >> Like damn. Then they picked up. >> He on his last leg. >> Yeah. Yeah. KD ain't on his last leg. K. means game. So now KD's 36. Y' made it. And Yeah. We'll probably get to the to. the dance, >> but we got to go see goddamn Steph, man. >> And Steph can shoot from outside in the. parking lot. >> Y'all got to go see the Thunder, too. >> Oh, them young cats with no names. >> Yeah. >> You talking about the no-name gang? >> Ain't got no names over there. They.

don't have no big name. Do they got a. big name over there? Jay the MVP. >> He a big name now. But was he a big. game? Big name. >> I mean he I mean he just been averaging. 30 the last three years. >> I'm just saying he's a He wasn't You. ain't LeBron James and uh uh Shay. You. not you're not Oh, that's co like you. know. >> Yeah. But yeah, but I mean you talking. about historically alltime transcendent. great players. They ain't but. ain't but a thousand of them. But what. I'm saying about these kids is they. that's a team full of no-name uh they're.

not star names. They they great. They're. not stars. >> That works for them. >> And that worked, man. And they kicked. ass, man. They kicked I'm so proud of. the Thunder, man. Like them was little. kids, man. Them kids can't be What's the. oldest? 25. >> I think the average age is like 26. >> God damn. And you did that? >> They did that. >> Wow. I'm very That's at coaching. Let me. let me let me get off the players now. and get on the coaching. >> Cuz they probably had that team a couple. of years ago, too.

>> Mhm. >> They got better. >> That coaching, man. >> That coaching, bro. Can't beat that. coaching, man. So, no, I'm proud of the. Thunder. So, we got to get through uh. Steph and then we got to get through the. noame gang. >> and then we'll we'll get to the dance. >> face. Thank Thanks for stopping by, >> man. Don't squeeze my hand hard, bro. I. swear to goodness. Much love, bro. See. you try to get me. >> I wasn't trying to squeeze that. [ __ ] I man his hand feel like. two big ass ketchup miss right.

I'm trying to shake the man head hand. scarf face ladies and gentlemen. [Applause]. all my life been grinding all my life. sacrifice hustle paid the price want a. slice got to roll the dice that's why. all my life I've been grinding all my. life all my life been grinding all my. life sacrifice hustle paid the. Want to slice the bowl of dice. That's. why all my life I've been grinding all. my life.

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