Ricky Williams FULL EPISODE | EPISODE 23 | CLUB SHAY SHAY

hello welcome to another edition of club. shayche i am your host. also the proprietor of club shay shea. and the guy that's stopping by for a. drink and conversation today. is the 1998 heisman trophy winner. he also led the nfl in rushing he was. once the ncaa. rushing leader he broke tony dorsett. record since been broken. he's a holistic healer yoga instructor. and a trained astrologer. none other than ricky williams all my.

[Music]. hustle pay the price wanna slice got to. roll the dice that's why. all my life i've been grinding all my. life. ricky how you doing today bro i'm doing. great thank you. so when people say it's okay you want a. heisman trophy winner. you with a first round draft pick uh you.

led the nfl in russian. and then they get to astrologer yoga. instructor. what goes through your mind when you. hear all that. well i get it i mean i get it it's it's. hard for people to understand and to be. like how do you go from doing something. that's you know so masculine exactly. just something that's so. you know uh. it was weird i i kind of had to wake up. to it myself.

and it was soon after i left the nfl and. rushing uh i started to. to read more and look at certain things. and realize this stuff kind of interests. me. and it interested me so much i ended up. retiring from the nfl and spending the. year really studying and learning about. these things. and then when i came back to the nfl it. was really strange because. i then had these two parts of myself and. i was trying to find a. way to make them come together and it. took a long time you know. at first it was just me sitting in my. locker reading books. and then slowly i got more comfortable.

and i started talking to some of my. closest teammates asking them for their. birth information. to start looking at their charts and. then i just slowly became more. comfortable. allowing these two parts of myself to to. come together and it. it's been weird and it's been strange. and i finally. feel like i've come to the place where. i'm i'm coming out of this is. this is who i am you talk you talk about. that you. have a podcast queen curious questions. with ricky williams well you talk about. astrology. and your guests they tell you their. birthday you delve into their astrology.

so clearly you believe in that that the. signs are lining and the astrological. you you you believe in that well you. know. it it's you can say it's a belief but. but most people don't really understand. what astrology is. no to me it's just it's just a lens it's. just a way to it's just a way. another way to look at it you know and. um. let me ask you a question so let me so. let's just say for the sake of argument. uh my astrological sign i'm a cancer and.

people say well you're a water sign so. that's a crab. so your heart heart exterior you're soft. inside you're tender you're caring. you're loving. and then people start to believe that. can you start to believe. something that maybe you're not. of course of course it's called it's. called the placebo effect. but let me give you let me give you an. example okay great example you you being. a cancer. so um i'm guessing some of those things. probably might be true.

but yes astrologically like if i was. talking to a cancer. you know if i was talking to you and you. sat out with me and you gave me money to. look at your chart. i would say cancer is really about what. you're here to do. what you're here to learn and so it's. the kind of way i look at astrology it's. it's spiritual in this way. and if someone talks to you and they say. you know you're you're here to learn. you know cancer is about learning how to. like keep your heart open. right to go through stuff right to go. through stuff to get beat up. but still learn to keep your heart open.

and so. part of this process means you got to. learn to know your own heart. okay and so part of that is if emily. comes in when i think about cancer. because the only way you can truly know. your own heart is if you have people. around you where you feel comfortable. and safe enough that you can share your. heart right. and by sharing with these people you get. a better sense of who you are and it's. easier to keep your heart open. right that to me that's the core basis. of cancer. and if i'm talking to a cancer and. they're like that makes sense to me. right. then it's useful if they say you know.

that doesn't make sense for me then it's. not useful to them. and that's the way that's the way it's. just the lens to look at things through. so you're trying to get them to to look. within themselves. find something that you're saying that's. going to be useful that's going to be. beneficial. that they can go back out and use it to. the best of their ability. that's exact that's exactly what i'm. doing and so what i'm doing with with. the podcast. is is i'm bringing people on and i look. at their chart and i look because. in everyone's chart there's something. interesting or unique that kind of jumps.

out it. and so i try to ask them questions not. necessarily telling them what i'm. looking at but just asking questions to. see if i can get. to that thing that i see and very often. sometimes it's a question i don't even. think is going to get there but i ask. the question. and the words that come out of their. mouth are almost verbatim as the words. you would read in an. astrology book about this person's sign. and so i i call it people speak their. chart. you know and so astrology jesus helps us. tune in to. into it's not mythology but it is kind.

of like mythology. right like for us right is there there's. a there's a. mythology about a warrior right how to. warriors. how we how we right challenges come we. don't back down we come up and we meet. the challenges right also part of the. warrior especially if you can get. military and football. is we got to come together as a team to. accomplish this one goal. and we have to be tough and trust each. other right and so. this is a myth right and as we put on. the football helmet we decided as kids.

that we're going to be. athletes we entered into that myth okay. and so astrology can give you a. sense of how to interact with the myths. that you've entered into. and how to be more conscious in them so. an example is like the warrior myth. the old warrior myth is that we can't be. sensitive right. we have to hide our feelings we have to. be tough right but as. warriors as embodying this if we realize. that actually that doesn't work but we. can be a sensitive warrior. right that's a new that's a new myth and. astrology can help tune you into. the myths that you're unconsciously.

living out and so you can be more. conscious and live in mind and more. in more uh empowering ways. so in order to for a person to get the. true meaning the true. understanding of their his or her. astrological uh. reading they have to come in with an. open mind. they can't they can't because they can't. believe that there's a bullet job i'm. just doing it just because. but you have to be open-minded you have. to be will have. a willingness well to a certain extent.

i think to get the most out of it yes to. get the most out of anything you have to. have an open mind. right i'm telling you people that come. in that are skeptical. and the way that i have i i explain it. to them and approach it. every single person they walk they walk. and their minds are expanded they have a. different way to look at things and so. to me whether someone's a skeptic or not. it doesn't matter to me it's an. interesting conversation. that provides a different way to look at. it that can be useful very useful. at least it has been in my life okay and.

now and also the the yoga side. so how do do they merge because. because obviously yoga is a very. peaceful you're trying to get in. you're trying to get in tune and step. with yourself your body. you're one yeah so. they're they're very much related and. the thing about astrology is. is when people say astrology most people. are saying something completely. they're different they might be related. because they're related to the stars. but truly astrology is like a language.

and so depending on who the person is. and how they're looking at it they're. going to use astrology differently. i'm a spiritual person so i'm always. looking for how to connect the dots in. life right. to me where i find peace and yoga is how. to how to understand the big picture. and so growing up i grew up christian. and i i'm telling you as a kid. my favorite thing to do in the world was. sunday school i love to hear the stories. about jesus because. again religion gives us a way to try to. understand the world but you know i got. 16 and then they said you got to wait.

mayor to have sex and i was like i need. to find me a different religion. so. i let it go but but you know when i. found yoga it was like coming home. you know a more expansive way to. understand how everything works and then. i found astrology. from my yoga teacher and i was like wow. this is something i can actually work. with. this gives me a way to look at the world. where i can see how things are connected. how things make sense. you are a big uh cannabis advocate.

so which came first was it cannabis. helping you get to where you are now or. was it that you started doing this and. like to. to reach that inner self to where you. found calm where you found a peace. yeah well i think the ultimate goal for. me was to find some kind of peace. and i found peace in cannabis and in. that piece. my mind started to expand and i started. to look at the at the bigger picture. and so my my relationship with campus. over the years has definitely evolved. the same way. the relationship with our country's.

relationship with cannabis. has evolved and i just think i just was. fortunate enough to be kind of on the. the leading edge of that right and so as. an as an advocate. it's from my own personal experiences. i've used cannabis in ways that enhance. have enhanced my life and i've also used. it in ways that have got me in trouble. and so i've learned from those. experiences and i think. i have something meaningful to say about. it i think the thing is rick. is that you have a very unique. perspective is that. it's it seems to me i mean there are. some people that smoke and they just.

smoke just to smoke. but if you strike me as a guy that not. only did you smoke but you tried to. learn. the origin and the different strands and. and what effect that it has on the body. okay which one. is going to give me to that place that. when i'm calm and that i can do. something meaningful in society. that can help my brother and that can. help my fellow man. and then so what was that process like. yeah that's a great question so it. really started with this big question. you know i found myself.

um you know i i failed another drug test. and instead of like. going through all the stuff i called up. dr brown called the nfl and said. don't worry about me. [Laughter]. don't worry about me i'm good you know. and and so. i started traveling around the world a. little bit and. and i had this question of okay i kind. of just gave up. everything that i've ever worked for you. know and it's connected to this plant. so is it true what everyone's saying. that i'm just a pothead and a loser and.

i'm throwing everything away. or is there something else going on here. and you know me being a loser like that. didn't feel good and so i went the other. direction. and i said i'm gonna learn as much as i. can about what's really going on here. yeah so you travel around the world so. obviously you've probably tried cannabis. in each different country a local you. know what i'm telling you. you are a true cancer the sensitivity. because the things that i'm about to say. you already. you're already asking the question so i. said that's that was the crazy part of.

it is. i started traveling around the world and. going places where nobody had. any idea who i was right and everywhere. i go i'd end up. and somebody some nice kind person would. come up to me and offer me to smoke. something. like i i called it the weed fair because. i i mean i'd be in this i was on a bus. in fiji. and this dude this indian dude walks in. the back and he sits down and he offers. me some rice and then we start talking. he's like hey do you want to you know my. uncle has some plants you want to go. smoking. and like you know break bread together. and i was like sure. that i was in samoa same thing happened.

i was in australia the same thing. happened so i started to be like you're. very something. ricky there's something hey i i i. am i can't help it there's something. going on here. and and so i just followed that scent. so when you how old were you when you. first started smoking marijuana. so the first time i smoked it was i was. a junior in uh in high school i grew up. in san diego so it was around. yeah yeah yeah i was a jock though so it. was like a one time experience and i.

didn't like it. and so i didn't really i didn't really. mess with it and then i got to college. and my. my college roommate he spoke and so. sometimes on fridays the guys would come. around and they would pass it around and. i would just do it. social but you know i wasn't really into. it and then it was my senior year. um it's funny one thing about my senior. year we played a lot of madden. my i played with the broncos you were an. inspiration. you were an inspiration to me that year. like so. so i was running for the heisman and i.

my girlfriend my girl for two years okay. we broke up. and it's like right after we broke up uh. i went to her i went to her house to. bring her stuff back. and the quarterback on the football. team's car was parked. oh oh smoking for real. for real. that's that's how it started and i i was.

like obsessing about this and my friend. was like dude you gotta chill. and so he just brought it out he said. you gotta hit this and i did and it was. the first time where i was like okay i. wasn't obsessed and i wasn't. thinking about it i could sleep and. relax and from that moment i noticed. okay this this can be helpful to me. so when you failed your first. so did they not test in college or did. you never fail a test in college or did. they keep that hush. so again this was this was way in my. senior year and it was just that one. experience where i realized.

oh okay like this is nice but i didn't. become a smoker then it was just when i. had that first experience. and and you know they weren't going to. test me i was running. they're you know so they were but i. wasn't smoking anyway. um and then i got into the nfl and and. again. i i kind of smoked on and off but i. wasn't a smoker so it was easy to pass. the drug test what got me was when i was. in new orleans. they always tested us during um training. camp. right then when i got traded to miami. they tested in otas and nobody.

i guess nobody knew i smoked so nobody. told like passed a message to me. and so you know i i went in that morning. and they were like for drug test and i. was like damn. and so then i got into the program but. really i wasn't even a smoker. you know i just would smoke occasionally. but then i got in the program. and it became like this big issue and. then i started to realize. that uh that cannabis actually helped me. you know because it was like when i was. there and i could use it. i didn't realize it but when it was. taken away i started to realize wow this.

was really doing something. that to help me deal with all the stress. and take care of my body and so. although i was being tested you know i. found a way that i could take like two. hits. the day after i got tested and i would. be clean for the next test. and this worked for like a year and a. half but then we were playing we were. playing the eagles. on monday night and uh and it was like. the game that i limited. eliminated from the playoffs and i. separated my shoulder and i just was in. a bad spot so i think i took. a little bit too many hits.

i took two too many dude called me and. the dude called me in the morning. and and he pissed asked me and then it. came back and then so. that was number two and number two. failed tests i was like i was a month. away from being out of the program. but number two failed test they um. they they fine you for 4 17 of your. salary. right and and so because of that they. have to tell the team to take it out of. your check so then the team knows. right right and so i went into the. office and they were like whatever and i. was like fine. and so it was like okay and then i.

appealed the test because. the a bottle was like 0.157 the b bottle. was underneath so i felt like i had a. case that i barely. failed that one too many hit i barely. felt the test. so and so they came back and they said. okay. if you agree to stay in the program for. eight weeks of the season. then we'll you're you're free right and. so i said. that's two months rick you got two. months no hits not two. not one just eight weeks cold turkey you. out the program completely.

you can smoke much as you want yes yes. that was right. right in front of me and at the same. time i started thinking about. is this really what i want to be doing. with my life you know as i started i. started i started reading i started. opening my mind and realized you know. if i stay doing this for the rest of my. life am i going to have the time. and the energy to be able to have the. experiences that i want to have and i. started thinking about i got enough. money that i could live. comfortably for the rest of my life then. i started thinking why am i even doing. this. and so then i i had to make a decision. right i had to make a decision the.

decision i made is and again when i made. this decision i in my. in my heart of hearts i truly believe i. was never coming back. not coming back to the nfl not even. coming back to america okay. i was on one all right i'm not gonna lie. but but i i needed that. you know i needed that i needed that and. and and thank goodness right. and it's so interesting out all comes. full circle okay. because you know i was out in australia. you know everyone in my mind. everyone i thought i lost my mind but my. my own personal path.

was i was reconnecting to my spiritual. roots as i was traveling i felt. this deep connection to jesus christ and. i literally i wasn't really a huge. reader but at this point in my life i. was trying to read everything i could. about jesus. and and i ended up you know reading the. gospels and i came across a verse in. matthew and. it it changed everything for me right. the verse was if you give up. home family you know if you give up. everything and come looking for. me it will all be returned to you and i. found solace in that i found solace in. that and. it came true i was able after that year.

away to find myself i was able to come. back. reintegrate into the dolphins have. another thousand yard season finish my. career with 10 000. yards rushing and i feel like i was able. to to make to make it all work. you know to turn something that could. have turned into a crash and burn story. to turn it into an uplifting story. ricky do you believe you said you. started smoking what. really got you on the path to smoking. continuous. was the situation with your girlfriend. do you believe she broke up because.

uh she was seeing the other guy or you. guys wanted to separate and then it. bothered you because it was a teammate. because i don't know would you have. started smoking if the guy was on the. basketball team with a baseball team. or just a regular joe small walking. camper. it was no it was a lot it was a lot so. so when i was in um when i was in. college i used to play i played minor. league baseball. right and so and so at the end of at the. end of finals in may. i take my last final i get in my car i. drive to florida and just start playing.

baseball and then i come back in august. right so like the day before the day. before i left. um crazy college though day before i. left like me and my girl we got into a. heart. you know and it was just it just we were. like okay let's break up you got into an. argument before. she started it ricky this. actually it was mostly my fault but this. time it actually was it was. her but anyways so we got we got into an. argument and then i was like all right. and then and then i went to florida but. after a week i was like yeah i missed. her so we started talking.

and started kind of like working on the. relationship and at the time. her and the quarterback were friends and. i knew they hung out and they were. hanging out and. not a 20 second i need a full-timer you. mean to tell me you got a girlfriend. and you allow her to hang out with guys. she told me oh that's my friend. well because we all hung out together. before so oh yeah yeah yeah. we we we ain't no we ain't no once i. leave. he can still hang out oh hell no okay.

i learned i just smoked i i learned the. hard way. like you said i'm too trusted you said. that yeah. i'm too trusted and so it's funny so i. came back you know and we worked it out. and so i came back and she. i was driving back from new york to come. back to training camp she met me in. tennessee. you know in nashville and we drove the. rest of the way back and we decided okay. we're gonna work on this. and as we're starting to like go through. she's like spending a lot of time with. dude. like shooting pool and and i'm thinking.

okay it feels kind of strange but. yeah yeah but they're friends and so and. then. we played we played ucla it was the. second game of the year and it was the. day after. i was sitting in a hot tub and somebody. and somehow my girlfriend's name came up. and somebody was like that's not ricky's. girl that's. blah blah girl and i was like wait a. minute i'm like wait a minute i was like. wait a minute wait a minute. i pop i popped out of the hot tub and i. went back we had pay phone. went through the pay phone in the trade. in the facility and i i picked up and i. called her.

and i and i told her what i just heard. and she had that pause. you know when they pause you got it you. got it. because you're thinking she paused she. thinking of a lot of tell you yeah cause. she could have just came by said no. she posed. i knew i knew i knew i knew and then i. was like okay. and i just then i just it got bad. and like you said and then it was the. crazy part in in the in the ucla game. the starting quarterback was my with my.

homie he hurted herself. and then the backup quarterback who. who's still married they're still. married and it's. a happy story well you can't be mad. about that because they got married. that's what i'm saying that's what i'm. saying. that's why but at the time i didn't know. that now that's why. you still should good with it now. one time one time i lost my temper one. time i lost my temper in practice. one time i kept it together. you fired. you know he caught like an audible or.

something wrong and i just threw the. ball out of his helmet real hard from up. close. but i lost my i lost my cool for that. one moment. but the thing is okay maybe they were. meant to be together. but y'all not meant to be together while. we together y'all can't be working on. that behind me. y'all exactly that's that's all i'm. trying to say that's all i'm trying to. say. i'm a senior i'm about to go wait time. yeah okay okay okay so but i can. understand now see. i can understand what started you on. that path because you know probably up.

until then rick you've probably smoking. that mild strain. on a scale of 10 probably a three or. four but once. once that happened you probably went to. that heavy still like. nine i'm telling you i wasn't even. smoking before then i just was like just. natural. good everything was good everything was. good after that. you know it wasn't so good no more so i. had to define my balance. okay you win the heisman you break uh. tony dorsett's on hand you. rush for the rep you uh you break the.

record you win the heisman you're a. first round draft pick. uh mike dicker who's the head coach of. the new orleans saints. trades an entire draft to draft ricky. williams. and you do something that's that was. very unique and surprised a lot of. people. you hired a guy to represent you that. had never represented an nfl player. now this is not a shot at masterpiece. because he's done a great job in the. record industry. he's done a great job since of building. his brand. but what made you sign with a guy.

that had never represented someone in. this field. yeah so so like i said i played minor. league baseball. and so i had a baseball agent that i. liked. and so i just figured as i went into. football i just would keep the same age. and so it was easy for me to tell. all the agents you know to stay away but. um or the runners just to stay away but. master p. had a runner this dude and terry and. terry was just cool. you know me and terry we just were. kicking and we could talk and he was. like the one person i could be real with.

but i didn't think it would turn. anything because i already had an agent. well something fell apart in that agency. and they fell apart so then i was like. in need of an agent. and so i started talking to different. agents and it just felt like slimy. and so in my mind i thought you know i'm. a. you know i'm going to be a top you know. five well i think i'm gonna be a top. three but anyways. i think i'm gonna be a top three pick. and that you know i could be creative. with this contract. and do it the way that i want to do it. and then i can do it in partnership with. with p's company known as sports and the.

bigger thing was. was really just to make a statement you. know that we don't have to do it. the same way that you can do it. different ways right. and so and so when i started working. with the agent. uh leland and leland hardy we started. working on the contract negotiations. it got down to the point where he laid. out three three options for me. he said this option will make you that. you know the highest paid uh. rookie contract in the history of the. nfl this one. um will will you know we'll give you a. big signing bonus but we'll you know we.

can put incentives in for you to. become the highest paid player and then. the middle one is kind of a. is in between where you get a big chunk. of guaranteed money but we have some. more miles of incentives. and i said this is all on me i said to. trust it i said i want. the one where i get the signing bonus. for what i've done before but i want to. have to earn. um i'm gonna have to earn the rest and. what we did earn it. by winning the trophy and being the. all-time ncaa russian champ you earned. that signing bonus and whatever else but.

see and that's where the agent. supposed to come in and work in your. best interest ricky. i cannot in good faith allow you to sign. this contract. because z might happen and then you. won't reach these incentives. he did he did he did say that he did say. that but but i i'm it's my. it's my bonehead and i acknowledge it. the one you said it the one thing that i. didn't see that i didn't realize. is what if i get hurt and i can't play. and that's the first preseason game.

first preseason game high eagle spring. it happens quickly. plus also what you learn from playing in. the nfl. they also can control whether or not you. get those incentives so instead of ricky. getting his 25 30 carries. all of a sudden they give ricky 15 10. carries instead of richard. it happened it happened it had i mean my. second. my second my third year in new orleans i. was leading the nfc in russia. we got towards the end of the season we. didn't make the playoffs they started. playing deuce more i started to play a. deuce four.

so this is going on so were you smoking. in new orleans. i not the my uh not my rookie year i. started going. in my second year after i broke my ankle. you know it was it was one of those. things where my rookie year again. i missed six i missed four games my. rookie year. and and i played hurt pretty much every. game but two. and so i i underperformed obviously and. so that was the first time in my life. that i ever. performed on the football field and so. when i came back that next year dicker. was fired a new coach who didn't like me.

because i was tied to dikka so i was out. to prove myself. and i did you know i got to week 10 of. my thousandth yard. week 10 my thousand yards broke my ankle. and. and uh started that's when i started. smoking again. you know dealing dealing with like damn. you were depressed. yeah i was finally making i was finally. making it back and then and then this. you know and and part of it it got me. thinking okay. like if there's got to be something more.

to like than just. this up and down writing on whether my. success on the football still defines my. happiness and to me i had to find. something. something else to define myself by had. you been allowed to smoke. do you believe your nfl career would. have been more productive. now you had a great career i mean 10 000. yards is nothing to sneeze at. but do you believe you would have had. even a more productive career. had you been allowed to smoke of course. no doubt about it because so much. you know after two thousand a fellow and.

i came back so much of the story around. me was it just was this heaviness. in this you know the stigma around me. and fell into that test to leave me. and i think it just it wasn't all that. heaviness around my around my career. that it was just a clear space and i. could do what i do and and run the. football. and whenever there you know there were. those times where there was that space i. showed up. you know i put up numbers. let me ask you about the helmet. situation because you did a lot of your. interviews with your helmet on.

were you always like this or was it the. expectations of. someone gave up their entire draft and. their expectations of useful. supposing to be one of these. historically great nfl running backs. because what did you always do. interviews at the university of texas. with your helmet on that was good. go ahead i never i never did it so the. way it started is. you know so the first preseason game we. go to miami i get an ankle spray. and then i'm already like feeling like. damn you know this is not a great way to. start.

right in the media the media just you. know i remember one day was we were in. the training camp and it was raining. and and they put me on a golf cart to. take me to like this covered area to do. an interview. and as soon as i sat down to do the. interview the media dude was like take. your helmet off and i was like dude i. just sat down. so that started off as kind of an act of. rebellion right you don't get to tell. you don't get to tell me what to do. but then it kind of turned into. something that actually felt comfortable. kind of like. you know my my humble way of saying [ __ ]. you to the media. and you know because.

to me and this is my sensitivity to me. you know it's like. you guys expect me to be this this image. of what a. football player is but you don't even. care who i am on the inside. so you say take the helmet off you don't. really care who's under the helmet you. just care who's in the pads and all so. it just was a it was an active rebellion. so once you did that you just kept it on. say well if you i'm gonna keep i'm gonna. do my all my interviews from moving. forward with my helmet on. yeah i didn't do all of them but all the. ones during the week i would take my. helmet off on sundays.

for the post game interview right. so you grow up in san diego. you play football obviously you play. baseball were there any sports. any other sports that you played and did. you always want to be. an nfl player i wrestled a little bit. in a in high school and i loved it i. loved wrestling i ran track a little bit. um when we didn't make the playoffs one. year in baseball and i ran track. but um when i was growing up i was seven. years old in san diego listening to.

the san diego padres on the radio so i. was a big. big big baseball fan big tony william. was the king. yeah he was and so i wanted to be the. right hand to join glenn so i wanted to. i thought. i thought all the way until drafted. until the nfl combine actually i thought. i was going to be a professional. baseball player. but i went to the combine and the nfl. teams were like and i was like all right. and so i and i was better at football to. be honest so i i stuck with football. so they gave you that basically the nfl. team says uh now you need to play.

football you play in baseball. yeah yeah and i was like okay if i was. smart i'm not. gonna stick with football right now but. have you had they given you a choice an. opportunity says okay you could do you. feel you could have been a bo jackson. you could have been a dion sanders. played both sports um i mean i had i had. a lot of improvement to making baseball. but. i would have loved to have you know. taken up taking a shot and. because at the time the owner of the. texas rangers. uh was a ut alum and the ut donor.

he uh he put me on the the pro roster. for training camp with the with the. texas ranger so i was going to get my. shot. i was going to need to get a shot um but. i decided to stick with football. you were drafted in eighth round by the. phillies out of high school. got a seventy thousand dollar signing. bonus did you think about not even going. to college not even playing. i mean obviously you could have went to. college and played your own way. with that that was never never it never. it never crossed my mind. i decided when i was 11 years old. watching notre dame.

football on nbc that i'm playing college. football i say i. i don't care i'm playing college. football and so when i was being. recruited by the baseball teams. i said i want to be a baseball player. but i need to play college football. and so everybody knew the deal the the. football teams knew i was playing my own. baseball. all the baseball teams knew i was. playing college football. you recruited europe stanford cal cal. texas what made you choose the. university of texas. texas and uh priest home one of my. former teammates was your host.

so what led you to go a cali kid. going to texas yes so. um you know i made a list i was one of. the you know most highly recruited. players. in the nation that year and so i made a. list of what i what i went out of the. college experience. and one i wanted to start as a freshman. you know that was a. that was a must um two i wanted to go to. a big. program where people could see me on. national television three i wanted to go. to a place that had. a strong education four i needed to have.

a relationship with the with the head. coach. uh and five i was looking for a program. that was right on the verge of being. great again and i wanted to be. that piece and so it was interesting i i. ended up taking my trip to usc because. they were probably they were like number. one on my list texas was two. so i took my trip to usc and i tripped. to texas like back-to-back days. so i got to compare both and i went to. usc. and it was just all right you know the. team kind of felt fractured they kind of. talked trash about each other. one of the dudes even told me don't come. here we got too many running backs.

i love i love coach robins i love coach. robinson. it was a program a big program it was on. the verge so it had all those pieces. except for it didn't have that family. feel. right i went to texas i i i you know. talked talking to church john mcafee. talking about how he was going to use me. as a fullback i believed him and i. i respected his offensive mind hung. around the team and the guys felt like a. family you know there was one instance. on the recruiting trip where where. uh lavell pinkney our big receiver um. and and one of the back of the running. backs like. you know went throwing hands and the.

hell like. tagged it like three times i was like. yeah but hey you like i want to come. here. half an hour and here's what half an. hour later we're all back in the room. like. right to see that they could they could. intensify like that and make the squash. to be family again. to me that spoke volumes to me um so it. just. texas checked off all my boxes because. you know ufc. at that time was running back you they. had all the heisman trophy winning. running backs. and it started you know uh garrett and.

oj and marcus allen and charles white. charles was a running back coach he was. the running back coach too and i. i i loved i loved charlie and again. everything was there except i just. didn't feel good being around. the guys on the team to me i need to. feel like family. i need to feel like family right so was. it difficult for you to. uh juggle play minor league baseball and. collegiate football. it was awesome because i got to get out. of summer workouts in in. in baseball and you know i dropped 20. pounds and be really even coming back. super fast.

and so it was great it was and i you. know i i need variety in my life and. not only baseball is hard it's really. really hard but it kept me sharp and it. kept me in shape. your junior year the heisman trophy. finalist was randy moss. peyton manning charles charles woodson. and did you actually. did you think you had a chance to win i. mean. i think if you lead the nation in. russian and score and you shouldn't you. should have a chance you should be up. for the husband right we were four and. seven minutes you know. the team the team didn't play well and.

so i i think i was fit then. you broke uh earl campbell's who the. tyler rose you broke his record 1893. yards 25 touchdowns. six 200 yard games he wrote here in. texas i mean. you play the running back position i. mean you play the running back position. and you go to university texas. that's who you're measuring against yeah. you know you so. this this speaks to it so true story. okay i was at usc and they have this. this fancy trophy room with all the. heisman trophies okay. and i was at ufc on my recruiting trip.

and i walked into the room. and it was cool but it didn't it was. just cool right that's cool. texas right they had earl's heisman. trophy and there's dusty like glass. like pace that was kind of hidden away. and i remember i like i walked out of. the door and i looked at it and it was. like. you know i could hear the angels singing. and it was like the message i got was if. you come here. you can get one of these yeah and so. that that connection to earl and. and they show me earl gamble highlights. on my recruitment trip they took me to. go meet him. and so you know we we started to create.

that bond. um you know i was christened by by earl. barry. very early on and dude everything i. could. uh sausage. [Music]. i mean he's been so like so good to me. he really had my back through everything. right when i go back to the hall he used. to see him all the time. you go back for your senior year so what. were your expectations. obviously you want to come back um.

possibly win the heisman. maybe being have the team in contention. to win a national championship. so what was your thought process because. there was a lot on the line ricky. you could get it and then all the fun so. so like i said like i said when i. when i you know as a kid i said i want. to play college football. and of course when i was a junior and i. led you know then i started to kind of. listen to all the talk. just reaching out you know then i and. then i one day i was in my uh. sid in the sports information director's. office and he had the college football.

almanac on his desk. and so i just flipped it through it and. i kind of flipped to the all-time. leading rescue stats and i looked and i. was like if i have a similar year to. what i had this year. i could be the all-time leading rusher. and i was like hmm and i flipped a. couple more pages to the all-time. touchdown league i'll talk scoring the. year i was like. if i have a similar year that i had last. year i could break this record too. and then i flew to all purpose yards and. i was like if i have a similar year when. i had last year. i could break this record too and so i. was like if i break all these records. there is no way i'm not going to win the.

house it's on that moment i said i'm. coming back and the expectation. was to break all three of those records. and to win the heisman troops and you. did it. and i did it because you've seen your. 2100. over 2100 yards 27 touchdown school. record set 21 ncaa records. received 85 percent of the votes the. highs at that time. unanimous all-american first ever ap. national player of the year. so you're feeling good you're like okay. i did what i said i was gonna do now i'm. just gonna sit back i'm gonna be.

like you said you thought you were going. to be a top three at least at the bare. minimum top three. i mean i i was really thinking cleveland. brown's coming back an expansion team. of course dog pound needs a big running. back for sure. i thought for sure i was going to. cleveland ricky when you look at it when. you look back. you and earl you won the heisman so when. they think of running backs now every. running back that comes in. they get compared to earl campbell and. ricky williams you have the field name. earl campbell ricky williams field.

what does that mean i mean when you go. back what does that make you feel like. that they think that much and they. thought that much of you. it says this guy is so special to us we. don't want anybody to ever remember that. he was here and what he did for this. university. yeah i mean i first got that when they. erected this uh statue. back in 2012 this feeling of and it was. it was like it was a healing moment for. me because all the ups and downs i went. through. and you know the hits to my reputation.

to to come back to texas and see they. still fought enough for me to erect a. statue and then to put my name on the. field uh it just speaks to. back to that question of when i was. making a decision of where to go to. school. you know i felt that this is the place i. could go where people were gonna. appreciate me and uh and it speaks to. that and you know i'm. trying to find an office in this this. week and i'm gonna meet with the. athletic director and we're gonna talk. about. how i can be more involved in the. program and so it's it feels real. it feels really good to know that no.

matter what happens in my life. i always have a home in austin texas i'm. looking at that 1990 they're looking at. that draft. and kim couch was one donovan mcnabb was. two achilles smith was three. edger and james four you're five but. also in that draft. torrey holt champ bailey david yeah. dante cole pepper. antoine winfield senior who said junior. just won the super bowl with the tampa. bay buccaneers. so yeah while you look at the tim couch. didn't live up to expectations donovan.

mcnabb had a great career achilles smith. flame by adrian james. hall of fame hall of fame uh rick. yourself. what does that mean you guys have a nice. little draft there tory hopes was. tory hope was on the ballot this year. eventually probably within the next year. or two gonna get into the pro football. hall of fame. champs in the hall of fame you know. it's it's kind of that thing where you. come you come out together and so you. know start starting my junior year doing. the reward circuit and getting and. getting to know. kind of you know the superstars of my. era.

and then to go into the draft and again. sharing that experience with each other. and then sharing our careers with each. other. you know it feels like like brother's. going into the hall of fame especially. edgert you know. um we came out the same year that you. know he was the first black guy was the. second back and just watching. what he was able to do especially the. first couple of years of his career. playing in in. indianapolis and i often think you know. what if what if the colts would have. drafted me instead and i got to play. alongside peyton manning you think you. think your career would have been. different.

uh i mean my. quarterbacks my [ __ ] year with two. guys named billy joe. [Laughter]. well hold on rick hold on rick hold on. that rick there's a little. there's this there's this plant that was. that was that was starting to be. involved in your life. so how's that how's that gonna play out. what do you mean. the plant the plant. what do you mean how's it gonna play out. i haven't been good at it i'd have been.

good. i'm saying i understand you would have. been good but how does that weigh in. with the drug test. you know they take like you said like so. we what we always so about i mean. we can tell this story a lot of. different ways but the way i'll tell it. okay. let's say i go to indianapolis uh first. of all. i don't know like because it's the same. time i'll know when the directors come. and if i'm. playing well behind paid man i'm not. getting traded and being in that. situation. that's that's one way to tell the story. but but i'm not even trying to say.

i'm not even trying to say i wish my. career would have been different i'm. just being hypothetical. like you know like yeah it would be nice. it'd be nice if i was remembered for the. way i played football not for. for the cannabis stuff but i feel good. about my career i mean. i know everyone that i've played with. has respect for me i know that i enjoyed. my stuff i know that i was able to. to create a better life for my family. and i was able to do all this other [ __ ]. so i feel i honestly i feel good about. what. where i left things uh explain to me the.

the cover of espn the magazine you did. the story. obviously mike dicker was the head coach. he trades an entire draft to move up to. select you with the fifth pick in the. draft. and you put a a a a wedding dress on. obviously i mean the thing the first. thing comes to mind is dennis rodman. yeah was was that uh was that one of. your heroes was he did he inspire you to. do this or. uh not not directly i mean it's. interesting that right around the same.

time that i did that i imagine this for. the first time we actually. you know hung out we actually got but i. didn't make the connection until right. now. so so dan levitar who um who at the time. writing for the miami herald uh also. writing for esp in the magazine. came out uh and we became friends he did. a story on me before i won the husband. so we became friends and he said you. know espn the magazine wants to do the. story aren't you a ditka. and they want to put you on the cover so. you know he said we're throwing around. different ideas on you know what you can. wear and so this went on for like a.

month and a half and these different. ideas and we're gonna i don't know. and then it was just kind of like let's. just do this and he said well. the newest idea is that since you guys. are you know linked. that we do you know you in a wedding. dress and him in a tuxedo. and when he said it i started laughing. you know because i thought it was funny. and so my response was like yeah. let's do it that's funny and and then. when i got to the photo shoot and i was. putting on this wedding dress i started. to think like. what's going what did i what did i get. myself into yeah then. after after the photo shoot i was in the.

limo with coach dick we were driving. back to the facility. and he and he added a garden can he. looked at me and he was like i don't. know what they had to tell you to get. you to put that wedding dress on. but i never would have done that and i. looked at him and i said why did you. tell me that before. so he tell you after the fact oh i would. have never done that. exactly and for me i just thought it was. funny you know i i didn't even think of. how people would take it but i still. think i mean i still think it's funny. it just wasn't interesting how you know. people gave me a hard time about it.

right because the the type the uh the. title for better for worse. because that's what kind of like a. marriage is richnesses and hit or risk. uh richness and poor sicknesses and. health. so basically you and coach dicker would. join. no matter what for better or for worse. you and coach dicker was gonna be. linked forever and and again i got hurt. didn't play well he was fine. right after the end of the season it was. real. so let me ask you a question your career.

in new orleans. are you upset that it didn't go quite. the way you anticipated. or is there something you wish you could. have done differently aside obviously. you don't want to get hurt. but what could you have done differently. um you know i i i think i could have. found. uh mentors you know i i think i when i. look back what i didn't have was. was good mentorship you know someone. that had been there and just. it just kind of guided me a little bit. so one thing i you know when i went to. new orleans. i got a place way out in the suburbs you.

know i kind of was isolated. i think i would have i would have got. like i would have done i would have just. approached it differently you know right. i just would approach it differently. you stay in new orleans you get traded. to the dolphins. you rush for over 1800 yards 16. touchdowns both are still dolphins. record. pro bowler first team all pro 10 games. of 100 yards. so your career gets off in miami to a. roaring start. and what happened after that.

so so in 2000 so 2002. he didn't leave the nfl rush and i had a. track record my whole entire life you. know at every level i. i constantly like improved it got better. and so in my mind i'm thinking you know. after this year i'm thinking okay. two thousand two eighteen hundred yards. two you know two thousand three that. means. two thousand yards no i'm back i'm back. in that mode. and and you know i get in the best shape. of my life best shape of my life.

and and we start the season and. it just seemed like i it was me against. 11 other people. yeah remember we played we played. buffalo on week two i mean i carried the. ball 42 times. and it got to the point where uh you. know our and he admits it now coach. weinstein said. you know i got to the point where i. didn't believe in our passing game i. just believe the defense. and so we just are going to play defense. and just hand you the ball. and so you know that's what we did and i. just got i just got beat up and i. just got beat up and i just got beat up.

and wasn't able to put up the same kind. of numbers. after three years in miami you're the. bell cowback you walk away from. it um numerous failed drug tests at the. age of 27 you say forget bump this. i'm out what was your thought press. thought process. behind that decision well it was it was. i mean part of it was a thought process. and i think it started with the thought. process but part of it was just noticing. signs and. signals in my life you know so so after. that you know 2003 season.

you know i had surgery on my shoulders. in the off season. and and i started to think okay i. started to do the math here okay we if. this keeps on going. i'm not going to be able actually to. make it very much longer. and i've been in talks with the dolphins. about renegotiating my contract and so. we went to the dolphins and i said you. know i could tell if you guys don't do. something then you just keep feeding me. the ball. like this is not going to last you guys. need to take care of me and. you know and we started going back and.

forth and i think. one thing i really disrespected by. you're going to give me the ball all. this time and then when i try to say. take care of me you're going to. do this and so that was part of it the. other part at the same time. norv turner was offensive coordinator i. love norf turner as an officer by the. schemer i mean he's. he can call the offensive wrong game he. he got the head coaching job at oakland. and my position coach. joe collier became the offensive. coordinator and so i was feeling good. about this you know. but still we didn't have a quarterback. yet and so i was like okay we need to do.

something to make sure i'm not taking. taking you know the beating and joel and. and the offensive staff they kind of get. into a fight and joel says [ __ ] this i'm. not being the office coordinator and. then they promoted. the tight ends coach who had never been. an offensive coordinator to the. offensive coordinator position. and so i'm thinking um the contract. negotiations i feel disrespected. i can tell this season is going to come. down to me getting the ball in every. play. and then and all this drug test [ __ ] i. was like. he's just it just all the sides were.

saying i need to be doing something else. right now right and in the meantime. another thing in the meantime between. between our otas and in uh and training. camp. uh one of my good friends was lenny. kravitz personal assistant and they were. they were in on tour in europe and we. had that time off. and she and she and she was like why. don't you come hang out with us before. training camp and i was like. i can i can work out in the hotels you. know i can stay in shape. so i got on the plane and went there and. then just being in another country and.

just living like that. when i came back and started thinking. about training camp i just was like. i don't got i don't got an indy. i don't got it in me and so that was it. that was so that was the thought process. you got on a plane you flew to watch. lenny kravitz. toured through europe it was time for. you to get back on the plane you come. did you did you come back you come back. late and started thinking. man it's hot as hell it got worse so i. came back actually i came back. and then i and then i became good. friends with bob marley's brother richie.

so i came back for a day and richie was. like hey let's go to jamaica. since you have some time off so i grew. up a huge bob marley fan and so we flew. um we flew to jamaica and i went to. where bob the bob's hometown. where he grew up and he just wasn't like. a spiritual experience for me. and then from there i flew to the. bahamas to meet one of my. good friends in texas alum and we hung. out and i just started thinking like. this kind of feels better than going. back and. getting going through training it. getting broken for no more money.

it just just made sense to me like okay. it's time for me to do something. different. you heard look you heard what was saying. when people would call you crazy and say. my man he crazy and he apartheid. he did yadda yadda did that affect you. you know i think i was smart enough that. that when i. again when i retired it was that feeling. of what it felt like when i was. traveling so as soon as i was free. i i started traveling again i went back. to that feeling as i was traveling. i wasn't watching the news and this was. before you know twitter and all this.

stuff so. i it didn't exist for me you know i mean. i want to talk to my agent. and i talked to my girl sometimes they. would be worried and stressed about. things. but i was feeling so like alive and free. really i'm telling you i thought what. that moment where i called dr brown and. i said i'm through. i felt like this huge weight lifted off. my shoulders and and i just felt free. for the first time in a long time. so i didn't really care what anybody was. thinking because i was feeling good. and you know as i kind of started to.

to like get free i started to realize. okay. you know that i do have to finish living. my life and so i started to make a plan. okay how am i gonna. how am i gonna get on with things so. when you when you take that. time off did you have a re-entry. plan or did you just like okay i'm gonna. stay here. and like you said you uh you're energy. type of guy you're a field type of guy. you said you left the nfl because it. didn't feel right. now you're in this situation because it. feels right so what was your.

re-entry or you're just gonna travel. australia live in a seven dollar day. tent. you know smoke a little bit have a good. time. but i mean like like it's smoke it's not. i mean it is a good time but what i. consider a good time. it's sitting in my tent reading a book. okay and that's. that that's what i do when i smoke yeah. you can read right here in the states. too you know you can read an apartment. too with life it was different it was. different reading with people when. people don't know who i am but i got to. be more myself you know. again for me i needed that and so and so.

i did. i mean you're right on it i really was. trusting the way i felt and the way i. felt. at one time was i don't ever need to. come back you know and so. it's a funny story i was i was met this. dude in the swamp in australia and we. decided we were going to go to the. himalayas. and so we were on our way we were on our. way to the so you just defer the moment. you just about to fly by the seat of. your pants type of guy. oh you let's go there okay fine sure. let's do that uh i'm thinking about. going over here yeah let's do that too. i mean if you if i had the bunnies i.

mean yeah that's exactly right. that's exactly how i was living and so i. was. we were on our way we're on our way to. the himalayas we stopped over in. thailand. for a couple of days and and on the day. we were supposed to go to the himalayas. i was sitting in this little. hostel hotel thing in this little town. in thailand okay. randall and this little dude walks in. front of me and he turns on the tv in. the lobby. and it's the the raiders are playing the. buccaneers and i'm thinking. how the hell how the hell is a football.

like. i try to get away i try to get away from. this [ __ ] at the corner of the globe. and it comes right here and i took that. as a sign i got on the phone. and so that was my first re-entry back. into. america i got on the phone and i told my. agent hey give me the next flight from. bangkok. back to l.a and then i flew back. you're so close i came back later i made. it a couple years later but this trip. i was so i was so close i mean but i'm. telling you if i would have gone to the.

himalayas. we would not be done we would not be. talking right now. i'd be gone somewhere so during that. time you're away from the nfl. give me a typical day for ricky williams. you would wake up at what time and do. what. and then move forward yeah so probably. so i was i was sleeping outside and i. was in nature and i was finding even. the sun was going down at six o'clock i. wanted to go to bed at six so i was. waking up at five o'clock in the morning. with the birds and i usually get up and. uh i would take the walk i would take a.

walk down to meet to meet swamp guys. meet my friend steven and then we would. walk into town and we would get. we would get the food for the day and. then we we walked back. to the hospital the campground where i. was staying and we would talk and i'd. read. and that that's really that was my day. it was really. a lot of reading again i was reading the. bible i was just really getting into. opening my mind you returned in 2005. you played for coach saban how was it. playing for coach saban. what was he what was he like because we.

know the success that he's had at the. university of alabama. we know the success he had as a college. coach but for whatever reason he wasn't. able to parlay that success. until nfl success what was he like. so you know i played with him one year. before before i got suspended. and i loved playing for cole shaving you. know i i loved it because he was one of. those coaches where you know. you knew what the standard was and if. you met the standard you were good. if you didn't he was going to be on and. he had this thing called the tiger board.

and at first you know we thought this. college was [ __ ] but it was a boy. right when he walked. into the team meeting room and basically. it was did you play hard that was. basically what it was so when you. became this thing where you walked in on. on monday. and you just want to make sure that. you're on the tiger board and so it. created where everyone was just playing. hard. and we got off to a rough start but we. ended the season winning six games in a. row and we beat a playoff bounce. charger team would beat a playoff bound. patriots team so. so and then that next year um you know i.

wasn't on the team and so i don't really. even know. what happened but my experience with. nick saban is i i love him and i would. play for him. any day again because he set the. standard and it was all about. show up you know get better make plays. you mentioned the following year. 2006 you were suspended again pilot you. you failed a drug test. so at that point did you think your. career was over. i did i i did think my career was over. here um. and for me the the question i had was.

you know what what next um they sent me. to boston uh. and i met this doctor dr gunderson and. it was for part of my psyche and we just. had a really con. deep connection and as i was talking to. him i was realizing you know maybe. there's some stuff about myself that i'm. not aware of. that keeps getting me in these kinds of. situations right and so. i decided to move to boston for six. months and i spoke to dr gunderson. five days a week six months and i also. did groups. so i really did this deep immersion uh. really attending to.

to my mental health and uh. what i got out of it was clarity and. what i realized is. you know football got me to this point. but what i really want to be doing with. my life is closer to what dr gunderson. was doing and really. helping people find themselves and that. really got my mind. like straight about you know my purpose. in life and what i'm here to do and that. really set me off. on the road that i'm on to now i know. you got to go ricky. uh you finished with the ravens you have. a great season. when did you know you were going to walk.

away and that. this was it i'm walking away this time. but i'm not coming back. so you know that year with the ravens it. was nice you know. we were this close from going to the. super bowl and i really loved that. organization i love playing with ed reid. and ray wright. and uh ray lewis but i didn't get i. didn't we got along on the outside but. i had some issues like with ray rice a. little bit you know. it's it's kind of like you know. like it just felt like it was like this.

i was used to splitting time with ronnie. brown and me and ronnie were like. tight and we we competed with each other. we wanted to see each other succeed. but with ray it felt like this weird. kind of competition. and so it was just game plan you know. and it just didn't. it just didn't feel good it was kind of. one of those things you know if someone. doesn't feel good to me i'm not going to. keep coming back and. doing it and so i started thinking about. and it didn't feel like a partnership it. felt like it didn't feel like. yeah it was like you know he was like. staying and then and then at the end of.

the game. like go take this class and i'm like. what. like no no you know so. and so at the end of that year i had a. choice to make and really after being. that close to the super bowl i i was. like i was fired up and you know. come thinking i'm gonna get in the best. shape of my life again i'm gonna finish. my career i could probably plan another. two or three years. in the system you know i had my mind. right and then i had a text message from. bill parcells and you know i kind of was. like i thought he would be like yeah. go for it and his response when i when i. shared my excitement was.

don't chase this thing too long you know. you can you can contribute in other ways. and that kind of it hit me like a like a. brick and it got me starting. starting to think about things that's. not what you wanted to hear was it. that's not that's not what i wanted to. hear it's not what i expected to hear. but it it. it woke me up it definitely woke me up. and within a week i called coach. harbaugh and said. um you know thank you for this. opportunity but uh. i think i'm i'm done i'm ready to move. on and do something different. ricky you've seen me you seem now um at.

peace with your life. with how your life turned out you did. what you wanted to do you played in the. nfl. you rushed for over 10 000 yards you had. success. but you seem at peace you seem more at. peace with your life now. then i'm i'm not so sure that you were. ever at peace with the nfl. like you are with your life now correct. me if i'm wrong. well i think towards my second standing. in miami i. really found a sweet spot where when. i've been through the ups and downs with. the fans and. the team and they've accepted me and i.

was being more myself. i felt like i found a sweet spot at the. end of my career in miami. but but definitely i think the fact that. i started building my. my life after football while i was still. playing i think of that first retirement. was like my dry run where. i got to find out what i was truly. passionate about and i started doing. those things in the off season. and in my off time and so when i retired. that second time. i was ready you know i had built a. container of a new life for myself. and and i just continue to stay on that. track and and i do feel.

i do feel great for where i am in my. life right now and i feel very fortunate. for my experiences. and that i get opportunities to have. conversations i mean again one of my one. of my heroes. and i didn't ever i i don't mean this. wrong i didn't appreciate it like. this was an amazing conversation you. know i feel very fortunate to be able to. share this. to be able to share this time with you i. appreciate it let me ask you a question. before we go. did you have you did you ever play a nfl. game high. no because marshawn lynch says you know. he had to take him a shot of yak. before he hit the field and then he knew.

everything will be okay but you never. played the game high. i never even practiced all. i was more just after work just let go. of it all be depressed. yes yes let it go get up and do it again. now. that was my thing so as one of the the. best. the uh uh have the have you spoken to. the nfl. because you see you see now they've. relaxed some of the standards. uh the the amount of nanograms that. that's in your system now. is not the same you might have been able.

to be able to smoke i wouldn't i would. have been clean i would have been clean. if they had those same standards you. would not be talking about cannabis. right now. i would simply be pretending i never. spoke so guess what you would not you. would not be the yogi you would not be. the nasty the astrologer that you are. right now. so as you said a lot of things happen. for a lot of reasons. and it puts you on a path to where you. are now. that had the the the the testing been. what it is now. there's no way i wouldn't be me exactly.

i'd be a different ricky woods yes. rick i appreciate it bro i appreciate. you coming on all the best in your life. your podcast continued success bro i. really appreciate it. yeah thank you shannon all my life been. grinding all my life. sacrifice hustle pay the price wanna. slice. got to roll the dice that's why all my. life i've been grinding all my life. look all my life been running all my. life. sacrifice plus will pay the price wanna. slice.

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