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Let me get the car. Give me one the car. That my check right there, y'all. That. check, that million dollar check. I left. that right there on the table, right in. my room. So soon as they walked in, they. said, "That's your check?". >> All my life been grinding all my life. Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price, want. a slice, got to roll the dice. That's. why all my life I've been grinding all.

my life. All my life been grinding all. my life. Sacrifice hustle paid the price. to roll a dice. That's why all my life. I've been grinding all my life. [Music]. >> Hello. Welcome to another episode of. Club Shay. I am your host Shannon Sharp. I'm also the proprietor of Club Shay. Stopping by for conversation and a drink. today is an NFL icon. He's a Cowboys. legend, one of the greatest receivers of. all time. He's tied for the most 100yard.

receiving games in the season. He's a. three-time Super Bowl champ, three-time. allp pro, five-time Pro Bowler, Pro. Football Hall of Fame. He once led the. NFL in receiving yards in a single. season. He's an all decade member of the. 1990s. He played his entire career with. one team, America's team, a national. champion with the Canes. He's one of. Florida's He was on the Florida's all. century team, University of Miami Sports. Hall of Famer, Texas Sports Hall of. Famer. He was inducted into the Cowboys. Ring of Honor. fearless competitor, clutch performer, and a vocal leader,

sports analyst, broadcaster, seasoned. commentator. He's a father, a husband, a. brother, a son, and a great great. friend. Here he is, ladies and. gentlemen, the playmaker. >> That's your hell of an intro. Oh my god, did I do you right? Did I do you don't. even go? >> That's all you? That's all you, right? >> I always wanted to hear intro like that, man. But that really means you getting. old. That's what that really means. You. start getting all them all them line ups. like that. >> But guess what? You get to hear it. You.

get to hear it. >> Cuz you know, normally when they give. you one like that, you don't know. nothing about it. >> When you give you they give you that one. set of flowers. Here's what you need to. hear. Here's what's on top of your grave. at the same time. And you gone. So you. right. I get to hear while I'm in time. and I'm not in. >> Man, you know you know I got my own. Kgnac. I don't know if you uh you. partake, but it's early today. It's. about it's about 6:00, man. It's good. time. It's good time. >> This is my time. You know what I mean? Hey, and we don't put in the work,

Shannon. >> Yeah. >> We can stop early if we want and do a. kgak. We can do that right there. >> That's rich, man. That's like That ain't. nothing made on on the hood or nothing. >> That real stuff. That's. >> Yeah, that real talk about you. Come on. >> That real stuff like we go back 30. >> That real stuff. That's all right, man. >> Yeah. >> How's that doing? How's the business. doing? >> Doing really well. We're doing really. well. We coming to Dallas, >> man. That's great, man. That is great.

right there, buddy. >> I appreciate that, man. How you been, Mike? >> I'm doing great, Shannon. I am. absolutely doing fabulous. I really am, man. >> I mean, you know, I saw you at the hall. What about almost a month ago? A little. about three weeks ago. We was at the. hall and you know how we do. >> We getting together at our little group. and me and you, we back at the back of. the bus. We laughing and talking. I had. to do a little bit more serious this. year cuz I was with my brother. had to. be a little bit more serious. But. normally you and I, >> right? And we always cutting up and I I. I told you, man, I had so much fun. And. I'm not going to lie, man, this year.

>> because I've been through things, you. know what I mean? And and and you know, I reach I tell you I love you and stuff. like that when you're going through it. And I was watching it cuz we look how we. see the hall, right? That's how I'm. still getting that's our brotherhood. Yes. And you I know you felt everybody. was trying to get around you. Yeah, man. You're right. Just they in here. We. ain't thinking about that. Correct. And. here is us. And just to see that whole. night, that whole week, you know, we. laughing, messing with each other. everywhere, messing around. And then.

>> to see Shannon, to see you up there with. your brother, cuz I know what it means, your brother. And and I don't know the. people know the relationship I have with. Sterling. It was me, him, Tim coming in. together, always talking, competing. together. You know, I knew I got to. worry about that joker. I got to worry. about that joker. You know, let me tell. you how they got me. I promise you when. I was here when it come before I came. here, Gil Brandt came to Miami and I was. playing basketball. I set a workout at a.

certain time. I did my workout for all. the thousand. I went I'm shooting. basketball. Gil Brandt comes late on. purpose and he said, "I wanted to see. what kind of competitor you are." He. came in. We comes in the gym and they. said, "Gil Brent, Gil Bratz from the. Cowboys." He I said, "My workout's done. My workout's done with it. >> You're done with it.". >> I said, "I already did the workout." The. Joker came and Gil He said, "Oh, he just. want to talk to you then." He came and. talked to me. He said, "Yeah." He said, "Yeah, everything's going good." He. said, "But you know, we're going to take.

a receiver. I understand Mr. Workout. I. can get it on tape, but I just left. Sterling and boy did he look good." I. said, "Let's go work out.". >> I said, "Let's go work out, Mom. Let's go get the workout in. >> That's how they That's how they story. That's how they told me. I said, "Let's. go get the workout in." I went out and. put that workout in. That That's how we. battle, man. That's That's what brings. you that close, man. So, you know, Yeah. That that was funny, man. But, but I. love seeing it. And they saw you back on.

that top right up there, brother. I'm. telling you. Appreciate that. That did. my heart so well. Appreciate that. Did. my Of course, I was laughing with you. the whole week. Oh [ __ ] But but. >> put a serious face in front of the. camera. >> We have fun. We have fun. We have fun. >> This episode is brought to you by Prize. Picks. You and I make decisions every. day. But on Prize Picks, being right can. get you paid. Don't miss any of the. excitement this season on Prize Picks, where it's good to be right. Y'all. already know I'm pumped for this.

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a different confidence on the court, you. know what I mean? And I was like, man, you know, and and I'm not a one or a. two, you know, I'm I'm a rough guy, so I. I can rough these jokers in high school. and maybe even college, >> right? >> But at at 6'2 or 63, you ain't going to. be roughing them jokers at another. level. You know what I mean? And so I. used to be out there. Mitch Richmond, who's my best friend growing up, >> right? Mitch Richmond Idis who I played. with all we we we used to play high.

school and go around beating everybody. all the time. You know Mitch went he's a. Hall of Famer. >> Yes. >> So we Mitch and I we we grew up. together. I two weeks before we got. drafted we were all in Miami. >> You know Mitch is about to be a top five. pick top 10 pick. I'm about to be a top. 10 11 pick in the draft. And we we're. eating at Denny's somewhere right across. the street from the University of Miami. And I don't know, somehow we ain't got. we nobody have any money. Nobody has any. money.

>> Damn, man. We ate all this damn food. They called the police and we were like, "Oh my god, man. What you mean? How you. mean got no money?" Police come, man. They about to ready to take us to jail. cuz we ain't got no money. And we like, "Listen, we're getting drafted in a. couple weeks, man. We'll come back and. pay." The cops took care. They paid it. and let us make it. They paid it. They. said, "Boy, y'all got Hey, how y'all I. swear I don't know how we messed this. up." But Mitch and I was so tight, man. And I always thought if Mitch made it, I. could have made it. Yes. But Mitch was a. shooting guard. If Mitch could shoot.

that thing and and and I could shoot, but I couldn't handle the ball like. that. So football for me was was my way. Who I've always said, my brother tells. the story like like when you come from. rural South Georgia, there's really no. one to look to that if you want to be, let's just say, a doctor. We didn't know. any doctor. If you want to be a lawyer, we really didn't know any lawyers. But. if you want to be a professional. athlete, who would we go? It's not like. it is now where guys are accessible. You. have the internet or you could go to a. game and you can meet these guys. somewhere. There was no one like that.

for you and I. >> to look up to and says, you know what, that's what I want to be like except on. television. But we didn't have access. where we could physically touch or talk. to that individual. >> Our our gain came from I don't want to. be him. >> Yes. >> Not I want to be like him. It's like I'm. not going to be him. That's how we. fought. And and and honestly because of. where we come from, you know, and it's. so funny you bring this up. Because of. where we come from, you you you you sit. and be like, man, you know, d and you.

tell somebody, I want I'm I'm going to. make it to the league. Boy, who you know. made it to the league? >> That's exactly. >> that's what they why they always say. that like why I got to know somebody to. want to go do something then like the. first thing they. >> because you know what Mike when we was. growing up if you got a job somebody. helped you get that job right? If you. got a job at the porch, you had to know. somebody that worked at the porch or the. or the or or the fruit cake. Well, you. you know somebody. So now who you know. and that's the way you gonna get it that. I that's exactly how they who you know.

playing. So So boy nobody. Right. Right. Right. But I'm going and I got you. better have a backup plan. Yeah. I'm. going to have a backup plan. Y'all going. to back up when I get my money. That's. what going to back up when I get my They. ain't going to back up. I never will. back up, but you know what I mean. But. it's still and and that I I started. studying that too. That's funny you. bring up because I was studying for my. kids. My kid my kid was in music. >> and he would be beating on things, you.

know, all the time around the house and. he's rapping out to under Teratino and I. started studying it because. >> like saying no, no, no. Saying no to. him. You shouldn't say no. Like they say. that you he he may be walking out his. talent or working out his talent. So I. have to say to them, Elijah, everybody's. not ready to hear that this time, right? But I don't want to say no, no, no. And. they and they they they summize that. African-Americans hear the word no, no, no, no more times than any other group.

Like even if you say, "Mom, I think I'm. going to quit my manager job and go back. to school." Boy, you better not do that, boy. >> Quit that good job. >> Well, you got a good job, bro. Quit that. good job, but I'm going back to school. I'm going to get better. You know, any. other culture, that's a great idea. We'll help you. you get rid of that. apartment, move back in the house while. you're doing it. So you can say, you. know what I mean? So I I I wanted to get. out of that. No, no, no. And really, really learn. But most I tell my people, look, when you have a great calling, a.

great calling, something deep down. inside of you, the next thing you you'll. have to show is courage. Because once. you share that calling, everybody else. going to say, "Boy, who you know?" You. know what I'm saying? So you got to talk. out of it, >> right? and and sometimes out of love. It's not even negative. They love you, right? And they they're doing it out of. love, but they didn't feel the call. So, you you just got to go with that call. and have the courage to overstep what. they're saying. But understand, >> you remember that 1992, I think it was.

Foot Locker that put on the slam dunk. contest. I think it was you, Griffy, Bond, >> saw that. >> Uh Ty, >> golly. Yeah, Ty. All of us. Boy, that. was a great I don't know why they want. why they stopped doing that. They stop. doing like the NFL fastest man. >> The way you can bring back the NBA dunk. contest. is making NFL players. >> Boy, I guarantee you. You let NFL. players like you you let a Jew a Miles. Garrett.

>> get in that thing. And dude, let me tell. you something. Why you that made me. retight when I started seeing this kind. of athleticism. I we were playing a. basketball game against. Washington. They had just drafted Lavar. Arrington. Boy, right at Reunion Arena. I'm shooting back. We been waiting in. the room. Lamar gets that. Lamar gets. that ball and D from the free throw. line. I was like, damn, this is 250 60 lbs.

flying. I said, boy, it's time for you. >> But Mike, they don't remember. They they. they used to the the teams used to put. together basketball teams in the. offseason and they would travel around. The Broncos would play the Raiders. The. Raiders would play the Cowboys. The. Cowboys would play hoosters. >> I ran the hoopers. Yeah. It's about. eight or nine and you know at and they. they would see who had the best. We Hey, we played we played it. We mess around. We play around and then we going to mess. around playing around again after the.

game. You see what I'm saying? We mess. around in the game and then we play. around. You serious? It is trying to. win. >> Exactly. >> And then after the game. >> and and when we at I don't know we. talked this a lot about this in the. documentary. I don't know if we even. brought it up but we would oh my god man. around here and we winning Super Bowls. So we're going to the mall the. Brownville and all of them. And boy they. were Hey boy we I ran it so I would get. the whole floor right. >> I made them get rent out the whole.

floor. I didn't want anybody on our. floor because that may be Yeah. We just. need to keep it in the family. You know. what I'm saying? So So I So they gave me. the whole floor and and we had some. great times. We would win games cuz we. play the fire department, police. department. >> That's exactly. >> right. Right. It's all charity. You sit. around sign and then you go to the spot. It's your spot. Man, it was those were. great times. They don't do that stuff. now. They don't do that stuff. But back. then it was football teams were more of.

a family. >> We did all that. We did all that. >> We went bowling. And I tell people this. all the time. I say I don't know how. close teams are because I've been been. retired for two decades. You've been. retired two plus decades. But we went. bowling. We went to movies. We did. things together. We went fishing. We did. things together. I mean, we rolling. dice. We going over each other house. rolling dice. We rolling dice at I mean, we might not get home. Practice might. end at at 3:00. We got meetings. Guys. weren't getting home to 7:00. >> Right. Right. Man, I remember ask Steve. Batwater told the story said, "Man, y'all gonna get me divorce. I'm gonna be.

rolling dice with two guys on why.". >> Right. Right. Right. But you know what? You know the importance of it and and I. try to tell people this. That's why here. in Dallas, they they were not going to. the hotel the nights before game. I. said, "What are we doing here?" You. know, and and you win championships. by making a commitment manto man, >> right? >> One man to the other. That's what I was. sharing with Miami. I will get my job. done. Now, the coach's job is to create. moments so you can make them damn. commitments to each other. Yes. And and.

the team, that's what we're doing. We're. creating moments so we can make that. commitment. I used to be we'll be in. week three and I'm eating dinner with. Eric Williams and I'm we're eating after. we we all together. Hey, big fella. Week eight, you got Reggie. White coming in here. I got him. I got. him. I'm just letting you know. White coming in. You know the week four. we doing it again big fella that was a. good win but we we got Reggie White come.

along by Reggie White. I said okay he. going to be ready going be ready bring. it up. It's just ways you're trying to. you get that commitment made one man to. another and get the job done. >> Who do you think what state have. produces the best athletes? Georgia, Florida, Texas. >> What? >> California. >> Oh boy. I love this battle because you. know. >> it close. Look, it ain't it ain't about. a handful of states that it Texas, Georgia, >> California, and Florida. That's all. Look, Louisiana, Ohio. I'm sorry, but.

it's really a jump. But it it is a it is. a four horse race. I'm with you on that. And y'all know where I'm planting my. flag now. Now, now they got some. athletes here. They got some athletes. here, man. But I it's usually usually. the greater the pain, the greater the. gain. >> Yes. >> And and and I and and when we we got. great athletes in all of those places, >> but out in all of those places, the.

greatest pain is coming from Florida. And I said those boys in Florida got the. greatest game. But but but yeah, man, we. used to joke about that around here, man. Like think about it when we were. rolling. And it's like, hey, we had the. top three dudes from Florida, Dion, Im, and me. Florida, Florida, state of. Miami. So, we were like, we used to be. arguing with the dudes from Texas. Joker, y'all wouldn't be winning this if. we wasn't here. So, shut up. Just shut. up right now. Enjoy. Enjoy.

We used to do that all the time around. >> All right. I'm ask you this. Give me. your M Rushmore for Florida players. Man, that's that's you know. >> Yeah. Somebody gonna get left off. >> I'mma throw some names out. You got time. one. >> You got Ray Lewis. You got Sam. >> Dion's one. >> Emit Dion's one. >> Lamar Jackson, D. Henry, Brian Jawan, Oinko, Antonio Brown, yourself, Frank. Gore.

Dude, dude. And and and and some that. even got cut short. If if if Jerome. Brown, if Jerome Jerome Brown didn't. career get cut short, life got cut. short. Hey, he would be right. It'll be. Dion Jerome Brown. You know what I'm. saying? >> People don't really good Jay Boogie was. what, >> man? Axe was my receiver coach. He was. the one that recruited Jerome Brown. He. would always tell us stories. He said, "Man, listen. I want to recruit Jerome.

Brown. His dad was over there in. Brookville up under a car working on the. car. He came on out shook man. And he. said then the car fell off the the rock. and he was like he said he was waiting. on him to put a jack back under there. and start jacking it up. He opened the. door and said what called the wife name. said tell JB to get on down here and JB. came on down. What's up? What's up. there? The car fell. He said JB. lift the car. They put the brakes back.

on. coach said here, "Please sign this. scholarship. Please sign this. scholarship. Please sign this. We going to see no more sign this." JB. was a bad boy. But I I would have to go. Dion and and and dude, Ray Lewis, I. would have to put Ray in there. I I I. don't see myself physically gifted. enough. Even throw myself on a Mount. Rushmore out of Florida. You know what I. mean? Not physically gifted. Now I'll. put my ironware. I put my hardware up.

against anybody. >> What about the you? >> But. >> what if we put the you players? M. Rushmore. >> Yeah. And in and that too, you know, cuz. we we always arguing about this. We. always arguing about this now. We always. now mean Ray, Ed Reed, Warren Sap, and. all the people that ain't them always. want to throw in Sean Taylor and all. I. said, "Y'all stop. Y'all stop." Because. all of them boys are bad and they. deserve their rights. But I'm the only. one on offense. I can stop that mess.

right now. Hey, if it was a quarterback, you had a. shot at getting ahead of me. But it. ain't no quarterback in here. So it is. odd. You can stop that right now. It is. odd. Yeah, we we we had we had that. debate all the time, man. >> What made you wear 47, man? Co they give. for they give those numbers at Miami. Remember, uh Eddie Brown were number 40. Stanley Shakespeare were uh six. My boy Brett wore 33. I wore I didn't. want 47. I went to Jimmy on this man. I.

had a long talk. Jimmy, I said, "Coach, man, listen. I I can I just change to. seven as wide receiver number seven. I'm. going to give you some touchdowns, seven. points when seven." He said, "Michael, I'm just a freshman." He said, "Michael, you know what I see when I see you with. that 47 on in practice and you be. catching them ball? You look like a big. 747 catching that thing about to land in. the end zone with a perfect landing. I.

was like, "Yeah.". >> Is that what you said? >> I swear. I was like, "Yeah, for all of a. sudden that 47 look crisp again.". [Music]. Hey, I'm trying to get a job. If the. head coach see me like the 747, I said, "Yeah." I was like, "Okay, man." And. with hey few years later we get here and. and we were having a drink after we did. something. I was with coach he said. Michael I can't believe you brought that. story. I said what story coach that 47.

story. I say you dirty dog you. And plus y'all was in a down. You move. back. Y'all was in a down. >> Y'all didn't stand up wide and split. out. Y'all was in a down stance. >> I was I was just back at Miami the other. day and we were talking about that dude. Uh Mike Rupnham coming up to me because. we always argue about who's the best, the 101 team. Yeah. Or the 87 91. championship team. 91 championship. All. the championship team. And he was like, "Boy, you couldn't have got me in no.

three-point st." I said, "Dog, >> it's impossible to jam a receiver coming. up out that three-point stand. It's. impossible. It's impossible." So, so. yeah, I I don't know why receivers do it. today. I don't know why they stand up. So like, dude, it it's it's if you had. if they had Well, there's just no way. you you would have to get down. You got. to get down and get back cuz the re the. quarterbacks came back the quarterbacks. I had to go through Deion Sanders, Daryl. Green, Rod Woodson, Champ Bailey,

>> Anias, >> Anias, William, and now the other guy. just got in, Eric Allen. >> Yeah. >> All of those guys went everywhere I went. on the football field. And when they. they tucked me in at night and handed me. the toilet paper when I was done and. needed the wipe, they went everywhere. with you. So I always say I went through. gold jackets to get to my gold rings and. it it was a different time back then. That the quarterbacks was real. Why did you tell the Packers not to. draft you? Cuz they had the seventh.

pick. They end up taking my brother. >> I heard I heard I heard I saw him. telling the story. Yeah. That they were. going to draft me. He's right. They were. they called me because I was a junior, right? Like I was graduating early, right? Right. I back when you were. coming out. >> back then you had to graduate to go to. school go to draft early and but it gave. me control over the draft. So if. somebody calls me. >> and and I didn't want to go I can. decline. I'm going back to school and. and that's what I want. I just wanted. control. I wanted my I was directed.

towards you know uh somewhere on the. west coast uh uh in New York. I really. just wanted to be in Dallas, you know. I. was always wanted to be in Dallas. So, I. was trying to work my way. I had saw. Bernie Kosar work his way to Cleveland. Yeah. Remember, as sophomore, it was the. supplemental draft. So, I was just. trying to Yeah. So, when they called, I'm sitting there. We ain't got a dime. It's the seventh pick. It's 17. You got.

17, brother, >> right? And they all looking like, are we. rich yet? Are we rich yet? Like, no. Not. yet. That's it. That's it. Not yet. Right. Right. Stop. Back up. Back up. Right. So, yeah, that thing was funny, man. But then I started thinking, you know, like the weatherwise coming. from Florida going to Green Bay and not. just weather and temperature, weather. >> Did you got Chicago that's outside? >> All that all that just No. and and and.

and Norah Turner, who was with the Rams. at the time. Yeah. >> Had spent that draft with me. >> Norah, the Rams were going to draft me. at 14. Norah was there with me. >> They took Aaron Cox. >> Yeah. Because the Cowboys took me 11. >> Yeah. Good. and and Noah was so. disappointed and Noah went back and and. then it was so funny after, you know, a. couple years here. They uh Dave Schuler, the office coordinator we had here, he.

was like, "We should trade Michael." And. Jimmy was, you know, they were talking. about trading me because they come out. coming off that knee surgery. >> And and and Jimmy came to me. He said, "Listen, the guy pulling the trigger don't think. you can do it anymore." and he said, "Uh, I've had way more success with you than. I've had with him. I'm going to let him. go and get you to an offensive. coordinator, get this thing going." And. that's when they brought in, >> they brought in Ner Nor because Norah.

with uh with Ernie Ampez. >> So, everything I was going to be with. Ellch, right? Soon as they sign March, I'm. coming off the ACL, right? you know, so. on my head it's like, okay, can I play. again? I'm going through this dude. I. ain't never been through anything like I. went through with the ACL. That took me. through something. Uh, I don't know if I. can play. He He We He take us out in. March. He said, "Let's go. I want to see. you run this bang eight." I said, "What's a bang eight?" He said, "Four. steps, hit that one leg. I'mma put it on.

you right there." I said, "Okay, let's. let's go on it." You know, we go out. We. ran the first two routes. He said, "But. I don't know what they talking about. That's plenty of speed for me. You make. sure you catch that bang eight. Yeah. Is. it going to be as safe? That's scary. I. mean, then you start putting the game. plan together, man. Norah Norah was our. blessing for all of us. He put he put. Emtt in the right way, right place to. win. He put Troy in the right place to. win. And and and that just made it made. it great. And it was so funny that he.

spent. >> he was with me on the draft. They tried. to get me before, right? So So it all. worked out. >> It it definitely worked out. I hear you. talking about uh in the uh America, what. is it? America's team, the gambler and. the Cowboys. >> Gambler and the Cowboys. >> You talk about how difficult that first. Super Bowl was. Says of all the ones. that was the toughest to win. >> Yeah. >> Why was that one so tough? >> And and and it was the most gratifying, too. >> Yes. >> And because it's it's right up against.

all the hard work. It's right up against. the three and 13 my first year, the one. and 15 my second year and and it's the. turn. It's I'm coming from Miami and I. know what it takes to win and I'm seeing. you're not used to losing, >> right? And I'm and I'm like, dang, what's going on, man? And and and I got. here, I thought. >> this it the best right here. You know. what I mean? But then you get in the. league, you find out some of these.

jokers about money. It ain't about being. the best. And I was like, dude, I I. couldn't take that. Like like right now, I was talking about Imit because I. talked with him today and I was like, man, Jerry knew I I couldn't I couldn't. hold out. I couldn't hold out. As long. as I have held out or stayed away was. the wins before the first game on me, I. got to go play. You know, I got to go. play. You know, it it's it's just But. they know that, too. >> Yeah, they know that. No doubt. He used. that against you. He used it against me. He used it against me.

Don't even worry about Don't even worry. about that. >> Right. Right. Right. But I wasn't. planning on going nowhere either because. remember now I had my plan from the jump. streak that I was I knew I'm going to. have some back some back end. I was. making sure my back end going to be. good. I'm going to be right here. You. know what I'm saying? And and that's. what you got to consider that. Michael. has to consider that. You know, Michael, you you get opportunity right now. You're going to get the highest pay. guarantee. All of those things. Everybody said, 'Well, don't are you.

going to risk a million dollars here or. $2 million a year here and and and you. got another $100 million podcast that's. only going to be $100 million podcast if. you with the Cowboys, >> right? >> It's not a hund00 million podcast if you. with somebody else. >> True. >> So the the the whole gathering, Michael. has to see you're a whole you ain't no. businessman. You're a whole business. right man. and make sure all of your. entities up under that umbrella coverage.

is going to be taken care of. And that. podcast has to have a star on it. >> That you mentioned that. Have you talked. to Micah about that? Like one like. Micah, what can't what can't you do with. 41, 42, 43 million that you can only do. with 46 million? >> Yeah. That but that's that's that's. logic and that that's our world. That's. our world. That their world is not the. world of logic like that. It's it's it's. it's social media. It's it's it's.

the world gonna know. I'm I'm only. making 41 and he making 43. And I'm not. saying Michael like this, but this is. this is the generation. This is why when. when when we're disappointed, we going. to screw up. And all of them do it. Everyone in this generation, we're. disappointed with team. We take. everything off. >> Everything with cowboy related, >> right? Everything. >> It's like a break up with your. girlfriend. You take everything all the. pictures that you got. Well, go back. five years. You going back and reing. everything. >> Where did that come from? You know, I. don't know where it start from. Like, hey, take Hey, I ain't taking all my.

money off [ __ ]. >> Do you understand where I ain't taking. all my money off neck? That's what I'm. telling y'all. So, you know, I don't. know where you get that from. So, so. that's what's the difference. Like, you. and me, it ain't going to matter, right? And, and a lot of people won't even see. it. It'll just be somewhere in the. office. So, sometimes somebody say, "Bring it up." But it won't be every. day. You got to hear everybody's opinion. that you took a million dollars less. Did you see what's going on with Raja. Jackson? Raja Jackson. I saw him the.

other night after he did that. I mean, I'm tired of everybody messing with me. I'm tired of them calling in. What are. you Who you mad at? These are the people. you're inviting. You streaming. Yes. >> You stream. What are you doing? You're. streaming. You begging these people to. come in and then you don't like what. they say and you want to go break. another dude's face cuz that that's his. that that's what that is. Do have you ever thought about Mike what. it would have been like to play your. playmaker you playing for the Cowboys at.

his apex and there's this thing called. social media. >> Yeah. >> Have you ever thought about that for. just a second? >> Yeah. Yeah. I did I I was telling. somebody this story, man. I did the EA. Sports when they first brought in the. legends of EA Sports. I did the. appearance and I was speaking at EA. Sports conference and and we were. talking about the social media and all. that. I said, "Listen, I I I told him I. was scared." I said, "I would be scared. to live in today's and play in today's.

time. I couldn't make it. I couldn't. make it when it was news at 11, let. alone talking about Twitter every. second. kiss. that man. They only had the 6 and 11:00. news and he stayed at. >> I couldn't make it with him. I didn't. left. God dang. Why? I ain't got no. chance. I ain't got no chance. Zero. So. I'm like, "Hey, man.". >> With all these camera phones with the. camera phone, boy, I got I got to stay. playing, boy. I got to stay playing. Keep me playing. I'm telling you. Keep. me playing and I ain't playing. And And.

you know what, Shannon? I I know that. I. know what's real. You know what I mean? I know what's real. I know what's good. for me now. I know what's not good for. me now. Like, keep me busy is good. >> Right. >> The report is that you talked to Travis. Kelce. You had a conversation with. Travis Travis Kelce because he was. trying to do something that you guys. were trying to do, which is three. repeat. Nobody's ever done the three. Pete and I believe and I'm going we're. going to talk about this after you ask. this question about you believe that you. guys if you'd have kept Jim, you believe.

you would repeat it. >> You believe you. But what did you what. info what did you tell Kelsey how to. approach the season going into the three. once they make it through the gauntlet. to get through the season get to the uh. get through the playoff and get to the. Super Bowl. What did you what did you. share with him man? First thing I said. man was. cuz then he asked first thing you go. through is the disappointment of not. getting it done. >> And that's what I was talking to my guys. at Miami about even yesterday. Like, dude, I don't I don't know how other.

people how how how do they how are they. going to have peace at the end of it. all? I mean, I've won championships on. on on just about all levels every. everywhere. And and I still. >> It's the ones that you don't win that. that eat. It's not the ones that you. win. >> I should have gone at that ball. I. should have jumped up and if and Dion, it would have definitely clarified the. pass interference, >> right? But I'm thinking right and if I.

can just drop it, if I wait, it'll drop. right by him. And it drop down by and. I'mma stretch the thing out and I'm. going to get that game winner. I wanted. to be the hero. All I had to do was get. that ball and now we're down four and. and and I cannot let that go. I can't. let it go. So, you know, man. Yeah, man. That's just the ones that get away. It's. something that you deal with and live. with all the time. But does the three repeat change how. people look at Michael Irvin and and.

well. >> or how we Michael Iran would have looked. at my And let me tell you that think. about it now. when you go and get what Kansas City has. done. to mind. >> Yes. It it makes it more important. >> I I regret it more that I didn't get it. when Kansas City or or when when New. England had their run. Right. You see, now it'll be good. >> So, you want to be the first you first. I was worried about y'all. I wor about. >> Well, we didn't have no chance. John. retired.

>> Right. Right. Right. Right. He got hurt. >> John ain't want to retire. I said, "Get. your old butt out of there. Stop messing. around." He ain't want I had to worry. about y'all right after that. That thing. rolled off like, "D man, you I don't. care what they say. I want everybody to. have great, do great, but I just want to. leave me a little mark up there. somewhere. Leave me something up there. Leave something that they can remember. me. Emit as a Emit like Emit, he's all. time leading Rush. Nobody Nobody's going. to get that record. Nobody like that. Nobody get right. Right. Nobody will get.

that record. I just want something to. leave leave up there for me. >> Right. >> Have the Chiefs taken over America's. team because you see what happened. yesterday. >> Kelsey and Taylor, they get mad. >> They the new America team. They don't. took over from y'all. >> And I ain't going to go that far. >> I'm going that far cuz she's she's. America. She's America's sweetheart. >> America's team. But they are those two. is America's dream. Come on. I'll give. her that. Those two right there. America's dream. And I'm gonna tell you.

and say, listen, I I I've said this. openly. Travis Kelce, I love him more. than anybody in the National Football. League. He's amazing. >> That's my dude. That's my dude. >> He He is genuine. He real. >> That's my dude, man. And let me tell you. why that's my dude. You know, we were at. that that one of his Pro Bowls. I was. coaching the Pro Bowl, you know, and he. that was one of his early Pro Bowls and. he was coming, man, you got to draft me. You got to draft him. Don't leave him. out there. Cuz he's worried younger guy. He said, "You can't leave out though, man. They going to let you down." I. said, "Come on, young buck. You're a. young buck now. Just buy your time. Buy.

your time. You know you got to draft. We. leaving me out here." And and I did. draft him. I did draft him, but he was. so good. And my son played tight end. My. son plays tight end. But he was, man, he. was so good with my son. and he didn't. have to be, you know, and he really took. care of him. I was like, "Now that's a. different dude." I just I just. appreciate him. And and ever since then, we've been so close. But I was telling. him, man, listen, >> don't let this get by you because you no. matter what you going to think about it.

all your life. Don't And they going to. think about it cuz they got thump. They. got. >> They got thump. They were not even. close. And they gonna think about it. But yeah. Yeah, man. He was And I love. that. Think about it. He just won back. to back. That's what we were talking. about before. >> That that that's the kind of guy, you. know, no matter what he do, he gonna. win. >> Yeah. >> He's going to win. And certainly now. they got you got to take he. the fight's over. The fight is over. >> Call it a career. Call it a career. >> When you got that when you got that.

signing bonus, what was the first thing. you did? >> That that that cowboy they first. >> Yeah. I they came from from Brookville, Florida. Broke Brokeville, Florida. Not. Brooksville. I'm from Fort Lauderdale. But but Brookkeville. Well, everybody. was broke, you know. Dude, I was young, too, man. I was crazy, man. I didn't. know anything that I first I went I. bought me a house, too. I was so crazy. A lot of houses, but I remember my first. house I bought, right? They were showing.

me all these houses. They have this. house. I said, "That one over there. What's that one over there?" said, "Well, okay. Let's go look at it." And and and. I bought that house. because it had fully it had the pool and. everything, but it had a 8 ft gate. >> Yeah. Yeah. All I knew is I don't want. nobody to see me in the pool and what. I'm doing. You know, that was the. parameter that I need to buy my first. house. You see what I'm saying?

>> You already know you going to be coming. >> Right. Right. Right. So, I know I'm. coming in. And and and then let me tell. you what I did with that first check. Let me get the card. Give me one card. That my check right there, y'all. That. check, that million dollar check. I left. that right there on the table right in. my room. So soon as they walked in, they. said, "That's your check?". They just I said, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." I.

had my financial people calling me, "Man, send that check, Michael. We're. losing. We're losing." I said, "Shoot, I'm winning. What you talking about? I'm. winning like a M. Why?". I said, "Bripping, boy." Hey, I'm Hey, was But it's real. It was real. It was It's real. coming. in, as you mentioned, coming from a. large large family like yours, even. though you got a million dollars, man, when you when you try to break off.

brothers and sisters, Mike, >> ain't a whole lot left. You got, you. know, you got to take care of mom and. dad, >> right? >> I think your father passed, >> right? Right. >> Before you got drafted, >> right? You got to take care of mom. You. got to take care of brothers and. sisters. >> Mike, that ain't a whole ain't a whole. lot left over. >> Yeah. >> But back then, that was a lot of money. >> Lot of money. Wait a minute now. >> Can you give somebody 2500? You give. somebody 2500,5,000. >> Man, I'm coming off. We coming off the. This This ain't coming from where they. come. These dudes now, these kids now,

they got NIL do. I was getting $20 a. weekend and mom took the first 15. Are. you joking? Left me with five dudes. coming from $5 a weekend to getting. them. I left that check right there. I. was going to get every bit of that. check. So, so, so yeah. Now, now here's. here's the kicker to all of us that we. have to get to and and and people have. to understand making money is one thing. How you let it go is is keeping it is as.

important, you know. So, so especially. >> us too, especially us because we know. there are so many people holding on to. the caboose that you got to bring along. on this train. >> It's never just us, right? It's never. just my It wasn't just Mike. It's never. just Yeah, you know, I got grandma, I. got, you know, my brother made it, but. you know, I got mom, I got I got other. people that's counting on me. >> And it took me through that first. contract to figure out and get the. understanding of financial literacy. enough to know how to best handle that.

Uh, so so to get everything and put. everything into a trust. So, so my whole. family into the trust. So now when I'm. handing you money, I'm handing you money. and I'm going to send you tax papers. Yes. So, we're handing you money now at. your tax bracket instead of me handing. you money at my tax bracket. So, if I. give you a a million dollars, I got to. make a meal seven at my bracket to give. you a meal. You know what I'm saying? So, now you we got to learn to do that.

>> So, everybody in your trust, I'm we in. the we in the Iran family dynasty. skipping trust. We ain't never paying. the government nothing. When we lead. time, we ain't giving you nothing. And. when I send money to my mom who's who. who you know when she was go got rest. her soul she was like I'm not paying at. my tax bracket. These are the things. that we have to learn to make sure we. stay up. Why were you so forthcoming in. the documentary? A lot of the stuff you.

know you and I had talked about and I. was like when I found out the. documentary was coming out I was. thinking to myself how forthcoming is. Michael going to be? Is he going to be. as forthcoming as I as he's when he's. with me and him talking or is he going. to put that on front of he. >> and I'm be straight cuz you know you're. my boy to the heart man. You're my boy. to heart and and even when you call me. first and talk about all the things you. think I want to do I want you to do this. with me. I want you. >> I was like damn Shannon I don't know man.

but I you know I'm scared cuz listen you. you guys you talk I love watching your. show your night cap stuff. you got to be. talking about some stuff. And I this. this is what I was afraid of, >> right? >> And I and I said, "Okay, like listen, here the problem now. I got some real. dead bodies out here." Yeah. >> And I don't need nobody coming up out. the grave. He talking about me. undertaker. I don't need I don't need all the grave. slice raising back up when I say Yeah. Well, I was over here with this and you.

I don't need them girls coming up to my. Yeah, I saw that check when he was. young. No, sit your own butt down. It's. too late now. You know, see, but but but. that's the kind of thing. So, I was. worried about that. But the reality is, man, if you don't share, people will. receive it and put their thing on it, >> right? >> You know what I mean? And and not get it. in the way that you got it. Like we were. talking about a lot of the things we. did, White House, all of that stuff. That's what those those you can think.

about that the other side of it, the. women and and and all of that stuff, but. it was also team building and team. bonding, you know, and that that's what. we did, you know. So, so talking about. it and getting the stories out the. correct way, correct way. >> It's palatable now. >> It's palatable now. It wasn't palatable. back then. They won't take it now. But. these kids, they got Love Island. Everybody doing everything with. everybody. Hey, that ain't nothing I. did.

So, we good. At the time, you I mean like you was. like, man, you know what? I think this. would be a good idea. You know, let's. get a spot right across from practice. It it it it like anything else, it grew. to that. >> Yeah. >> It grew to that. You know, we had. >> cuz you think about the house, >> right? The White House was the was the. was the endgame. This thing grew. It. started out, you know, hotels. Then we. had an apartment and then we went to the. house, you know what I mean? So, so at.

each spot there were there were issues. like you know you what happened at the. hotel, you know, the hotel. >> ordinance and the people came and. >> Right. And and they set me up at the. hotel, you know, I'm so dumb. I I got. the girls get in the room. They got the. room under their name. I'm thinking I'm. being slick, but. I I won't put down my benzo and they got. playmaker written all on them. I'm still. driving and parking the ball. >> What good is doing that if I pull up in. here in the be with playmaker flash.

playmaker playmaker. So it's just cuz. you're stupid. You don't know you know. So so it went from uh the hotel man how. much money we spending on the hotel. then let's just get an apartment. And. then we got apartment and and I had. apartment and then you know you bring a. few girls over the apartment and then. >> and then things ain't going right with. all the girls and they got over they. over there making all these noise and. screaming ah what's going on? They. kicking in the window. I said maybe we. shouldn't be in apartment building. So.

So then we finally got a house to try to. move that thing. Well Jerry finally. found out Leon Lit called me. Dude, I. I'll never forget it. And New Jack City. hadn't been out too long. We had just I. had just seen New Jack City and Cat. called me. He said, "Michael, I never. for I was headed to the cave campus." He. said, "Michael, we've been infiltrated." He said, "Man, I'm telling you right now, shut down the. White House.". >> Huh? Negro. This ain't no movie. Hey, I.

ain't shut down the Carter. I ain't shut down the Carter. catch. I'm. telling you, Mike, I'm telling you. And. and and about two weeks later, I'm in. meetings and and and and Jerry called me. and it's W this install. You know, I. want to be in here like, "Wait a minute, dude. We going over the place." And they. peek in the door. I said, "I tell him in. a minute. In a minute. When we install, I got to make sure they putting in the. right blades right now." He said, "No,

boss. We want to see you right now." I. said, "We can't wait." He said, "Right.". You know, so I go and he asked me about, he said, "Michael, there's a story. breaking about some house y'all got over. here somewhere, a white house." I said, "Oh shit." I thought about that. I said, "I should have shut down the. >> You should have shut it down. You should. have shut it down.". >> Hey, man. He asked me about it. >> Who do you know who dimed it out? >> H yes, I do. I I I I know. Well, a few.

people dimemed it out, but yeah. Yeah, we know. We know they got out. When he. asked me though, I ain't I ain't got no. answer. Jerry Jerry would tell a story. He said, "I I came in. I'm sitting. there." And he said, "Just be honest. with me. You know, I'mma be with you. I'll fight for you as long as you're. honest." And I thought about it and I. just told him, I said, "Boss, we we were. trying to do the wrong thing the right. way.". >> I said, "We were trying to do the wrong. thing the right way." I thought through. it. I thought through it, but it just,

you know what I mean? And it was a good. plan because at first, you know, here. again, we start we going to park at the. complex and bring over one car. So, so. all the cars, we won't have a whole. bunch of cars. >> Now, I already had at the hotel, we got. all our cars identified. So, we park at. the complex and come over here in one. car. And then, you know, as you get more. and more loose with that and you're out. drinking, you come to the club, pretty. soon we had a whole parking lot out. here. And that that that really gave us. away. them old people that were living.

next to us said we were making too much. noise. That's what they were saying. So. yeah, but but yeah, it was crazy times, man. >> Do you remember the first time you were. introduced to drugs? >> You know, it's funny. It's so funny. Um. when I went through the thing here uh at. the hotel, Jerry set up a meeting with. the district attorney. His name was Mike Gillette. private. meeting. We were we met to talk about.

the case, right? >> I said to him, I said, "Uh, Jerry said, "Man, listen. This is let's just let's. just get this case out the way so we can. get back on the field. I need you to set. I'm need you to go talk with him and. just be honest with him. Be straight. with him. Let's see if we can get this. thing cuz right now it just seems like. he's after you. He's after you." I said, "Okay, now you guys got to understand. now that night in the hotel when when. when all of this went down, when the. police came, they arrested the girl. I went home. I.

went home." Now, then they hired this. new guy, Mike Gillette. They hired this. new district attorney um 3, four months. later and he went back, now we're into. getting ready to work for the season. He. went back and looked at the case and. opened it up, >> right? Okay. >> And opened up the case. >> He reopened it. >> He reopened all of it. He said, "Uh, well, cuz I didn't have any standings. You got to have standings." That mean. the room was not in my name. The room. was in her name. They found the things.

with her. So, they said, "Okay, uh, we. can just take her. >> or or and let you go if if she says it's. hers." And she says they're mine. She's. a good girl. She was a good girl. And. that hurts me too. Listen, she she. really was a good girl. And and and what. happened with her was just not right, you know, because I really liked her. She was a good girl. She wasn't a. dancer. I had met her at a club. >> Mhm. >> But, you know, oh, they put her out as a.

prostitute. It was just it was just. wrong. So, I I I really because she was. I had before we went to the Super Bowl, >> I I I had. >> Was this the first Super Bowl or second. Super Bowl? >> No, before we went to the second Super. Bowl. Okay. For No, this happened when. we got back from the third Super Bowl. >> Okay. >> This happened when we got back for the. third Super Bowl. >> before we went to this before we went to. Super Bowl. The third Super Bowl. I You. know, you get all them tickets. You. tickets. So, so. >> yeah, they used to get boatload tickets. You about 30 tickets back then, Mike.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Did you get about 30 tickets back then? They cut it down. >> Yeah. Yeah. They cut it way down. Way. down. Cuz they know you get them 30. tickets and them people out there. waiting, they'll give you three, four, $5,000 a ticket. Boy, I mean I I had. about a hundred on me and and and and. and and I was we were hanging around. I. said, "Hey, listen." I pulled pill like. a knot. I said, "Hey, go get an. apartment cuz when I come back, I do not. want to come back to these hotels, >> right? >> Go get an apartment." And and and she. was like, "I don't want to take your.

money like that." I was like, "No, no, you're not taking my money. Go get an. apartment. We don't want to be in here.". Right. And and you know. I come back and then when I get back. after and then I I I go I want to see I. go see her and I ask her she came back. she gives me back the money. I said what. did you do? What are you doing? I don't. I don't want to be like that you know. that. So she was a real good girl and. then all of this goes down you know. So. it made me feel extra bad. >> Yeah. It made me feel extra bad for her.

man cuz she didn't deserve it. But when. I was dealing with Mike Gillette and. Jerry asked me to go meet with them and. she took, you know, she took it. She. took it. She took it, right? >> She took it. >> so I can go home and and and I I always. respect her for that. And and and she's. just one of the good people. Uh um but. he had me a private meeting. >> You and him. >> Me and Gillette. Me and the me and him. Private meeting. And this Joker sits. down with me, man. And he says, he says, "Uh I said, uh Mr. Gillette, I'm going.

to tell you what happened. I'll tell you. the truth. I said, "Now, I got off an airplane cuz I had. autograph session show and and I came to. the hotel and you have a girl claiming. that that those are hers." I said, "Now, I'm not telling you I've never brought. drugs to the hotel. I'm just telling you. this time. >> that night, I didn't. >> I didn't bring the drugs to the hotel, you know, trying to be honest and trying. to be straight." I said, "I'm trying to. be honest. I'm being straight with you.". His exact words was to me was to me and.

he jumped in early. He says, "Let me. tell you what I think." He said, "First. of all, the truth is what I make it, and. you'll find that when I get it when we. get in the courtroom." And then he told. me, I promise you, he said to me, he. said, "You know, I personally think you're a piece of. [ __ ] and you're using your fame to take. advantage of these poor white women, the. white girls. and I'm going to put you. away. He said his exact words. I'mma. flay you like a fish and leave you in.

that alley. >> I was like now all the Fort Lau coming. up out of me now. Now you you you swore. now you you see me. >> talking. He was raising up when he was. talking. I was trying to. >> you trying to bite you trying to bite. your lip. You like okay I just got I got. to. >> I do understand this was my first case. This my first offense. >> So I just then then then it got south. after that. It got south. I said, "Let. me tell you somebody. You little short, you little short dude, right?" I said, "My.

first defense." I said, "You could do. what you want to do, but you can't give me any time. You give. me a probation. Somebody going to pay me millions to. catch a football cuz I know how to do. that. Hey, you going to be down here. broke.". He said, "Well, I'mma show you tomorrow. when I have them cameras and everything. here." I said, "Okay, I'mma show you, too." That's why I wore the mink coat.

Hold up. You all made. >> That's why I wore the meat. >> in Dallas, Texas. It was 90°. >> You got on a You got on a full me with. Versace glasses and that's all they. talked about. You see, that's all they. talked about. He thought he was going to. get words in. He wanted and he was. trying to say I introduced him. I when. he said you are taking advantage of you. I wanted to say what do you mean? >> They gave me drugs. I didn't even know. I They did it to me. I I was I.

was the one innocent. They. started this. What are you saying? You. know. So yeah, man. That was it. And I. remember the two girls the two girls. that that that Yeah. here. I I won't. call that name, but I remember. >> But so were did you do drugs in high. school? Did you do drugs in college? >> No. No. And and I never did any drugs. during the season. I could That's what I. was telling earlier when we were talking.

about it. I could do I don't know. I had. it I was I could cuz we played until. February, right? I'm in the Super Bowl. Super Bowl ends in February. I got I was. I I would say Jimmy said, "Let's get. away." I had about a month in there. >> Yeah. This happened March 4th. March 4th. month, my birthday March 5th. I always. have that one last harrah rah rah and. then I'm training. And then I'm training. and I'm going and I don't, you know, and. and and it goes and I'm and and I'm. thinking I used to look at people like,

man, I can't understand why y'all have. problems stopping. >> Why can't you just stop? >> Right? >> You know, because I could just stop and. go play Paul and not worry about it. But. but after I start after I retired, I. realized, okay, I ain't as strong as I. thought. It wasn't that I was strong. I. was just switching addictions, right? >> You know what I mean? >> You had football, you had something to. do to replace. >> my right. And and and and if I had a. real good month, >> I'm work out real hard because that's.

that's the y and the yang. That's just. how I train my own head. So, so yeah, I. was like, I'm gonna have fun after that. birthday because we always start. training. >> Yeah. >> About a month. Yep. Second week in. March. Second weekend in March. So, it. worked out for me. That That's what I. thought worked out for me. Anyway, you. know, it's so funny though. That night I. went to the hotel. I promise you, dude, after already trying to get Angela to. get a hotel room and everything, I. remember driving to that hotel that day.

and I swear to you, as God is my witness. on my father's grave, >> as simply as I'm talking to you, God. said, "Don't go to that hotel." I do I. think on this every day I swear to you. as simply as I'm he said do not go you. know and and I went. >> Yep. And I went and and he must have set. me up before. That's why I said I said. go get an apartment. You know what I. mean? We didn't and it just didn't you. know but yeah as I said jury I guess.

Yeah. I I wish I wish that never would have. happened. I mean not not that what I was. doing you know I ain't going to say I. wish I never did that cuz you know that. was what it is. I was young and we were. just out there. But but I just wish. >> because it changed things. You know, it. changes things. It just changes things. >> Your cowboy teams were never the same, Mike. >> No, I was never the same. I was never. the same. It just And I It just felt. like,

>> you know, it just it wasn't the same. You couldn't lead the same. It felt. like, you know what I mean? Cuz people. looked at you different. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, you felt at you. different. Change everything. And it. changes everything because you feel. that. You feel it like, dang. You know, and and you feel So, I was never the. same. I was never excited. >> because Mike, I'm I'm thinking Mike, you. was the battery. You was the energizer. >> You were the receiver. One of the very. few receivers that led a team.

>> When you got a gold jacket quarterback, you got a gold jacket running back. You've got the players on the defense. You got Haley gold jacket. You got time. gold jacket. You've got those guys. But. you're that battery. That was rare. How were you? They might have not knew. to the extent, >> but they knew you like to get down, Mike, >> right? >> How were you able to do what you did. over here, but get on the field, be. first in the sprints, and lead? Because.

it you. we're having fun. It's not like I'm over. here in the corner with some going, you. know what I mean? This was you all of. this stuff get introduced in the process. of the womanizing and chasing and all of. that stuff. But but it I I didn't I. didn't see it as oh you got an issue. >> I just thought we're all having a good. time for this month and then we get back.

to training, you know, and and guys, we. were all having a good time. We had a. month off and we got back to training. I. I I I never saw it as a problem, >> right? You know now once you get once. that thing went down the hotel everybody. it's almost like you know you got you. got drug I'm like okay you can see I had. that kind of a drug problem I didn't. know I had a drug problem to after I. retired after I retired and and and then. I was like okay you know what I had a.

good time that's it let me get back get. back in shape. I said that's it this will be the last. weekend and I'm start focusing getting. back works I put my after career. together and and and then you know you. go out another day and you're back out. there. You wait a minute this the last. week. So after about three or four last. weekends you were like damn. >> it's about three or four months in. >> Right. Right. And you were like whoa. this is what they've been going through. Oh you know I never knew that. Right. I. never knew that side cuz once I had.

football I ain't got time for that right. now. I gotta get ready. I gotta go chase. J Rice. But but yeah, so so it got. different for me then. Then I realized, okay, and and that's when that's when I. started I had to start searching more. answers about me. Yes. Trying to find. out things about me since I didn't have. football to keep me off of the streets. You said that that situation taught you. a lot about you. Is that the one time?

Well, what about the other hundred times. that I was out doing being being. playmaker? >> Right. Right. Right. Right. You talking. about what you talking about? Like the. getting getting caught that way. >> The one time. >> I get caught and and and the problem is. here's what you try to do. What you do. you try to justify. All right. All. right. All right. You know many times I. didn't get called, right? >> You know, even though I I I. don't think I did wrong. I'll count mark. it up, chalk it up or whatever. You. know, that kind of thing. But but you.

know, I I look back, I'm like, >> I was young. I was young. You know, I. was young. We were having fun. We're on. top of the world. You you were like the. gladiators of the warriors. You go win. and you get the prize and you keep. having fun. And people always say like, you know, you you have fun doing. anything. It's like anything, drinking, smoking. You're just having fun having. fun, right? >> When does it become a problem? when it. becomes too fun and you don't know how. to stop having that fun or or when it. when you don't have something else to.

turn your attention to. >> You also mentioned the situation you had. just gone through that and the judge. gave you probation and says look Mr. Irvin basically you say I paraphrasing. you getting a reprieve. >> but don't come back before me. >> don't come back. >> and then right before that there you go. you get into a scuffle with a teammate. about a haircut. >> Yeah. Did you go home like, "Lord, I'm going. to jail." Yeah. >> Lord, you got you got me out of this. situation. And I promise you, Lord, I. said, "Lord, if you get me out of this,

I promise you I won't do this again.". >> Were you in that room when I was saying. that? Boy, you boy. Hard boy. You. joking. What? >> Lord, if you get me out of this, I. promise you I won't ever put myself in. this situation again. >> Hey, you saw it. Hey, you saw it. That. first day. That first day I went to. court. What? walked in there bad like I. don't know what full length meace boy. after them folks hadn't put me through. the ringer. man couple weeks later I'm coming up in. that court blue suit all.

please let me out of this man I was done. boy I was done with Manny ever I was. like I ain't never coming back here. again and and then that situation uh at. training camp happens with Everett. MacGyver man and and and And and. everybody and this is why you asked me. earlier why you tell the story. Everybody comes in. I hear this one guy. going around telling story. It's not. like I came up grabbers and slice. somebody's throat. You know, we had been. out drinking. We had been out early.

because we had got off early. We had we. had get haircuts and. >> get meetings later. We had been out. drinking and every my guy was the new. guy in, right? >> You know, and I always rigged and get on. my lineman because I want him to be. tough. Big E came in, I would be getting. big fella, what's what's your plans, big. fella? What are you trying to do? I got. to take care of my mama. So then I. start, listen, big fella, cuz you know, you ain't win without the line. I said, listen, big fella, when when you hear. Troy at Blue 18, blue 18 [ __ ] you look.

up and you look at that joke across from. you. You say, "You trying to stop me. from feeding my mama?" And then you say, "Hut." And you tear him. You know, I I'm. setting him up. Him, Larry, all of this. And Everett was the new guy, man. I'm. working and we we messing with Ever. We. messing with Ever. And Big E and the. guys, they started messing with You. can't let that little receiver me, >> dude. Dude, I'm like, "Come on, Ever. Stop. playing, man. Stop. Come on. Get this is.

the This how we do it. This how we do. it. This is the order of this team. This. >> we have we have. >> taping ankles. You got to get the You. have to follow this now. Come on. Oh, we. got let's follow this and and and. everybody over here cut this. We were. trying to get Okay. And and and then. Ever, you know, cuz we had drinks. He. get up, dude. To be truthful. And And I. let people know I was getting my ass. kicked. This big old joker was whooping. my butt. I I mean, that big push, man. I.

said, "Hey, man, stop, man." I said, "Stop, dog. Stop." And And he did. And. And And I shouldn't have. It's still not. an excuse. I should never have grabbed. the scissors, but but I was in fight or. flight mode, you know what I mean? And. and the dude, I went back to Oh, never. I went back to my room right after that. and there's blood everywhere. Blood all. over me. And and and big cat came in. He. said, "Man, they don't know, you know. They don't. know." I said, "I barely missed uh his.

an artery, you know." And dude, It was that was as as difficult a thing. as ever because you know you're you're. in this kind of frenzy fight thing going. on and then all of a sudden. >> once you come down after that you. realize what you've done. >> Oh my god. I sat in that room thinking. >> Lord I didn't killed this man. >> I'm going to jail. I'm going to jail. He. killed this man. And somehow if he. survives, I'm still going to jail cuz.

the judge just told me, "Boy, if I see. you again, I promise I'm going to give. you 25 years." You know, and. yeah, Everett and Everett talked after. that, man. And and I I I shared then and. I'll never forget that. And I thank him. again today and I apologize to him again. today on it, you know, because I've been. thinking about it lately because you. watch a documentary, you start thinking. about, oh my god, >> you relive all those moments all over. again. >> All those moments, man. And I just he. said to me when he said that to me, he. said, Michael, you know,

he said, I know the severity of what. would happen. if the truth got out. And he said, "Man, I don't want to take you away from your. kids like you always took almost took me. away from mine, dude. That was that was. >> Did you break down?". >> Yeah. Yeah. No doubt. Yeah. Because I didn't expect. him to do that in my own mind.

>> Cuz at that moment, >> Yeah. >> he showed you more grace and mercy than. you showed. >> You showed me grace. Yeah. and and I. wouldn't be here without it. I would not. have been here. I wouldn't be here. without it, you know. So So yeah, I I I. tell you, man, I again apologized to him. a million times, you know. >> Did you have a situation at Miami? Did. you get in a fight with somebody at. Miami? >> Yeah, I got in fights at Miami. >> Yeah, Jimmy was telling the. >> first day got in Miami.

>> How you just get to school, Mike? >> Right. I know, man. I don't know, man. And I I I but I told. these guys cuz I know I I said I don't. mind doing so funny. I don't mind doing. freshman stuff, guys. But listen, man, we got nothing, man. I'm here to try to. get my family somewhere. And I was. saying this, I know, you know, it's so. funny. I was just saying, "Come on, man. I just got to get my family." So, we. they were playing these games with me. This was on the training table the first. day. The first day, you know, young the. guys are sitting there, freshman's got. to eat last.

>> Yeah. I'm I'm. >> the protocol that that rules the. protocol. I've tried to wait. I tried to. wait and then so so they kept making us. wait. And then I kept saying, "Let me. go. Let me go." He said, "Freshman, shut. up and get back." I said, "Okay." And. then and then the Joker went and picked. the food that I wanted cuz I ain't This. is my first time seeing the training. table. I'm coming from the ghetto Fort. Lauderdale, dude. >> We ain't never seen no food like that. No abundance of food like that. >> And see, they they don't they you think. about it. It's like, y'all see this all.

the time, you know. Remember Howard, dad. just gave Howard Snellberger the okay to. go in the ghettos and get us? >> Yes. >> So, we were freshly coming out of the. ghetto for real. And and I was like, "Oh. my god, look at this." And Yeah. After. they mess with us and mess with the. freshman, sit down, eat last. Then that. joker, I snuck by him and picked out a. steak and and they pushed me and put me. back and then they and then after he. finally went, he took my steak. Man, I. cracked that joke over the head, man.

With the tray and started whooping his. butt. Hey, Jimmy called me in the office. I. said, "This joker to send me home. I. just got here. I just got here." Right. And then a couple weeks later, we're. we're we're freshman's working a. freshman's workout, right? And we get. the music box. Then linebacker come in. Freshman, shut up. Y'all don't play. And. they change the music. I said, "What? We. get to work out for 10 more minutes, right? And then you guys come in, turn. this music. It make put I said, "But. that's not putting us to sleep. It's our.

music." Freshman. I said, "Dude, this is. our time, dude. I got 10 more minutes. 10 more minutes. You take push me.". Boom. Push me down this way. I said, "Oh, okay. Oh." I said, "These jokes. going to keep messing with me." So, so. then we go upstairs in the big meeting. room. >> Yeah. >> And Jimmy calls a meeting and he says, "I can't believe it. Michael, get down. here right now." He called the player. I. said, "I told you we can't be fighting. each other. Stop it right now. We're. going to shake hands right here in front. of everybody right now." I'm fresh out.

of the ghetto. I ain't I ain't I I'm a. little rough around the edges, right? I'm fresh up out of that ghetto. So, in. front of the team, he said, "I want. y'all to shake hands right now." This. true story, Joy, I said, "I'm on fire. I'm on fire from what that joker did, man." I reached out my left hand and he. reached out his left but I grabbed. and he was you know and and and and man. and then I hit him again and man.

>> in front of everybody. >> and man coach was like listen boy listen. have mercy. I know I know you had it hard but we. here Now we trying to help you get out, right? >> You can't be fighting us. It was it, man. And then he said, looked at me. He. said, >> "You sure you want to play football? You. ever thought about boxing?".

Jo, I ain't joking. He asked me that. It's me. I said, "No, coach. No, I want. to play football. I'm playing for but. but to to all of that those situations. the ever MacGyver situation. >> after I retired I had to figure out. why why why. >> why did you fight with you because. you're like the of 17 you're like 15 or. 16 right. >> I've been fighting all my life. >> so you. >> you had to fight up. >> you like you know what. >> I ain't taking nothing else off nobody.

else I done took it off of them for 18. 19 years. >> 20 years yeah it jobs here today. >> Yeah. And and and then I had to go study. it and learn it. And and if you go. through it now, they they'll tell you in. a mother's third trimester, if she is. stress, pressured, her brain releases her body releases. cortisol that goes to the brain of the. baby to tell the baby to prepare for. fight or flight. And in this child, you. will have you will have a smaller.

cortex, bigger mammal. That's the B. base. So your your fight orflight state. You're more apt to fight than reason. I'm more apt to fight than reason. It. serves me well on the football field. So. you come up. whoop your but but off the football. field. >> You're such a small time on the football. field. >> Right. Right. And that's what I had to. learn. Dude, joke. Stop. They tell you. understanding and studying it is not is.

75% to beating it. So now even when I'm. riding and somebody comes by and cut me. off. >> Hey, I said that's just your reptilian. brain. Calm it down. See, no problem. Excuse no problem. No problem. But you. got to calm it down. You got to know. Calm it down right now. So, you know, I. I had to study that, figure it out, learn it, and try and so I can try to. get through this thing without get. through this thing called life without. football. Had you had you known what you know now.

back then? >> Are you still the same Michael Irvvin? Oh man, >> because that served you well like you. said in playing football. Now you go get. the help the treatment that you need to. be able to reason. >> Right. Right. Right. Right. And do I do. I get there? You know that that's a great question. That's a great question. You know, because the fight in me was.

the fight here, the fight here, but. every all these other fights away from. here were they were problematic. They. were problematic. Yeah. You know, so. coming up the way I came up, I I was. like, "Yeah, that's I I need that come. up. I need that come up. I just need to. learn what I know now sooner." You see. what I'm saying? So I could have I could. have say I could have stopped a lot of. the stuff understanding that's just your. reptilian brain just calm it down. You're not on the field right now. Be.

reasonable. So. from where you grew up, how you grew up, high school feel like you always got to. fight. You get to Dallas and Mike, you. got everything. You got everything. And. I tell people at the time like no matter. how much you have, you don't think about. what you got. >> You just think about somebody trying to. take advantage of you. Somebody trying. to what we say try you trying to punk. me, right? >> Oh, you think because oh you bigger than.

me, you go. Nah, it ain't going. >> Yeah. >> It don't work like that. >> cuz cuz you're not living in your now, you still dealing with your yesterday. >> Yes. >> You see what I mean? Yes. You like and. and and you asked me about finances. That's that's that's what we do. and. finances. >> We we we we buy out of our pain. >> We don't think about our purpose. Our. purpose is we we what we going to do. ahead of us. Yeah. Our pain is what's. behind us. So now you get that $5. million signing bonus. And what do you. do? You go spend 2 million on a house.

You go spend other million on your mom's. house. You go spend some money on cars. Now the five million is down to 1. million. >> And you ain't paid no taxes. >> And and and and you say to yourself, "That's all right, though. I bought I. paid mine. I bought it. I paid it off. Ain't no cause because you because. you're dealing with the pain of watching. your mom lose her house and watching. your cousin them lose their house. So. now you made a stupid financial decision. by buying it outright when you should. have borrowed and and you know what I.

mean and left that principle there and. use the interest on that to help pay. down which you see what I mean? But we. do it out of our yesterday not in. thinking about our tomorrow. So yeah, you got to be careful dealing in your. pain. And that's what I was doing a lot. of times. Even when I was making it, I. was still dealing in my pain. >> The trauma from yesterday will show up. today. >> Yeah. And and that's all of us. >> You get through that the 96 season, you.

get suspended. I think you got suspended. the first five games of 96. >> First five games. Yeah. I got Yeah. I. remember getting that letter from. >> Paul Tagle. Paul Taglabu. saying you know you have enjoyed. the fame and notoriety of playing for. one of the biggest and well-known. franchise in this league the Dallas. Cowboys and for that we think we should. for that we should give you one ext an.

extra game so I got five instead of the. four. >> right. >> I was like. >> damn. >> yeah wait a minute wait a Right. Right. I I thought the league was supposed to. be about being fair, being fair. You. give everybody the same thing, but he. was like, "No, we going to give you one. extra." So, yeah, they gave me a fiveame. vacation that I didn't want, but they. gave it to me anyway. They gave it to. me. >> During that time, I know just how important cuz we're.

wired a lot of light, how important the. game of football is. And when I can't do. it, not for my own valition, something is missing. Yeah. Not only is it missing, I'm letting my. teammates down because I want my. teammates respect and trust. I want my. coaches trust. I want their respect. I. want the fans appreciation. I got none of that now, >> right? >> Who am I? What what actually am I at. this very moment when I'm not the.

playmaker? >> Right. And and and you know, Shannon, that that's why I said I was never the. same when when I got back. I was never. the same because I demanded. accountability. And where was I for five games? I cried on the sideline, went. >> cuz I realized I couldn't get him back. You know, we had just won the Super Bowl. and all of that went down at the hotel, man. And uh and after like I just you.

know I wanted to get back that Super. Bowl. Let's get back to a Super Bowl so. we can celebrate again and have a whole. full celebration in the offseason. >> Mhm. >> And uh just could never get back. I was. never the same. I was never the same. >> But Mike, your accountability was on the. field. You caught the passes. You ran. the routes. You was in shape. >> Yeah. But you felt that what you had. done off the field somehow had crept and. now I can't be the general that stand up.

in front of you and says this is what I. need because you felt they were going to. question you. That's not what you did. >> Yeah. The the authenticity. The authenticity. You know, I study a lot of things, you know, trying to figure out, trying to figure out me, excuse me, trying to figure out me, you know, cuz.

God has blessed me in a great way to. have to to accomplish great things and. do some things and financially and. everything. and and and now that I don't. have football, I I want to make sure I. don't mess that up going forward, you. know. Um I've always said, I mean, no. bones about it. If I wouldn't have had. football, I I wouldn't have made it, >> you know. So, they did that one time. What would you do if you didn't have. football? And I jokingly said it, but.

but I don't know if I was all the way. joking. man said, "I would probably. imprison a dead, you know, because I'm. going to find and try some way to be. successful, and I needed an avenue. to try to go do it." Um, and football. gave me an avenue. I don't, you know, I. I I was going to do it. And if I didn't. have that avenue, man, I I I could have gotten in a lot of. things to try to get it done.

>> Could you separate? Could you ever. understand football was what you did but. not who you were? Could you ever. separate that? Was were was or was. football tied to Michael Irving and. Michael? >> Separate once I got. once I got enough to live, you know, to. be really real. Football was the only. way out. There was there was nobody. around you that you saw got out. The. only thing you saw on TV was the.

football. That's how you get out. That's. the way you get out, you know. So So. that that was. that was it. There there was no other. way for me. That that there just no. other way. Now I graduate. >> I got my degree in business. >> But but you know, I got I got all of. them. But but and it's not and it's not. I got all of my mom told me from the day. I was born, dude. From the day I was. born, I'm the 15th or 17 kids. She said,

"Baby, I was crying when I got pregnant. with you." She said, "I was like, I. can't have another baby. I was in church. crying and God put his arms around me. and said, "Fret not, Pearl. This is the. one that will make your latter days. greater than your former days." My mom. told me this every day. Every day. I swear. Every day of my. life. >> Almost like you were pre-ordained. every. day of my life. She said, "I'm not I. remember her opening the refrigerator.

with nothing in there." And I don't know. how I remember this. Oh, God is my. witness. I don't know how I remember, but I remember her saying, "Look at. this. That's all right, baby. God gave. me you. He told me you're going to make. my latter days better than my former. days." I was on that mission. I was on. that mission. And you know, and I and I. kept telling everybody, I'm on this. mission. I got to get here. I got to get. here, you know. So, so football's. everything for me. It allowed me the.

opportunity to provide for my family. Even though I got those business. degrees, you know, minor communications, it wouldn't have given me that instant. help like football did. 96 that happened. 97 98 your last season. 99. Yeah. >> You in Philly, Old Vet Stadium. >> Yeah. >> Routine play. catch it, get tackle, >> but the first thing hit is your head. >> Yeah. >> And it kind of pushes your head, jars.

your head backwards. >> Yeah. >> Did you know at the time that it. happened that something was wrong? I. knew I, you know, she dizzy and I'm. trying to start getting the cobwebs out. >> I'm shaking up, shaking off, shaking. And and and then everybody comes out and. I'm sitting and I'm hearing them tell me. uncross your legs. I think I was like. this like uncross your legs. And I. thought I did. >> Yeah.

And and they said a couple uncross leg. and then I look up and it was Dion. Dion. was there and he was. That's what made me scared seeing Dion. prayed like that. Mhm. >> I was like, >> "Oh, just adore it." Because we, you. know, we call them head dings, right? Heading. What's going on? What's going. on? And then that's kind of how I got. it. Then they gave me this little thing. that will let me know if you feel. anything.

And they said, "Let me know." I said, "All right." Like I was waiting on you. >> You wait. You're like, "Okay, well, go. ahead. I'm gonna let you know when I. feel something.". >> I'll let you know. Right. And Yeah. And. then then when I look up, I see Dion. That That's when I knew. That's when I. knew. But I found out right I didn't. know what I had was called stenosis. stenosis. This narrowing of the spinal. cord. >> narrowing of the spinal cord and the. spinal column and it presses against my. spinal cord and and and it's so crazy. and they were like. >> any other hit can be your last.

>> Yeah. >> Right. And and and I'm thinking. what like what you talk this was a this. was my route. This is the sled route. Yeah. I live in this sled route. This is. it. This is it. And and that's what dude. I went and found I I went and tried to. find a doctor that put me back on that. field, you know. I wanted to keep. playing, you know, and I found one that. said, "Michael, you've had this forever. You know, you played this long with it. It's a risk. It's a risk. I got to tell. you that. But you can continue playing.". And I talked to my wife about it and she.

was thought, you know, no way you can do. that. And and I thought like she was. right. She's like, cuz you're going to. you're going to be out there trying to. prove to people that you're not thinking. about it and you're not scared and. you're going to hit somebody trying to. prove and something's going to like you. can't put us through that. I'm going to. be worried everything. So, yeah, I had. to finally walk away. But that was hard. That was hard because I knew that that's. that that that's my lifesaver. Football. Football is my life. >> That was it. >> Yeah. >> Because there there ain't no senior.

circuit in golf. You got a senior. circuit. >> Got Right. Right. Right. Basketball, you. got a big three. You got a big three. That's basically your single circuit. This is it. And and when it's gone, it's. gone. And and what you said, we can't. >> it's what we did and not who we are. But. separating the two when what you did. made you who you are coming from where. you came from was very difficult. Was. very difficult because you know we you. know Yeah. It it gave me the confidence.

It gave me everything. Mike, you came. with you was uh coach Landry's. last draft class, >> last first round. Last round. >> And those vets, Randy White, Ed Tall, there were a lot of guys from the glory. days, those 70 Cowboys that was still on. the team. >> Yeah. >> But and and you the story is like they. was telling you you was going too hard. in practice and and you went to Jimmy. said, "Jimmy, I got a list for you.". >> Well, no. Well, what happened that first.

year we went through, dude? I'm coming in from Miami and we're about. to win. I just won last championship. I'm put Cowboys. I watch all these years. with my dad watching the Cowboys. I. can't wait to get here. This is story. franchise and and yeah, we get here. those first that first year and and and. it wasn't like Randy Weiss and Ed those. those dude they like us. >> Yeah. >> Them them the dogs, >> right? >> Them ain't the ones you got to worry. about, right? >> They had they old ass out there going. hard as they can, you know? They they.

want they want to. >> but they ran. Right. Right. Right. But. they had other dudes around them cuz see. when when they were carrying the team. they could carry but now they couldn't. carry the team and the guys they got. around them now. They when I got in I'm. trying to get us back to here. I'm. crying when we lose. I'm crying. No. They're like come on Rook. Rook. We. don't do that in the NFL. We don't we. don't act like that. Come on. We pick up. a check on Tuesday. There were actually.

dudes saying this. I was like, "What are. y'all talking about, man?" So, what. about the game? This is about winning. It's about winning. That's what I worked. my heart out to get here to play you. Jokers and this how y'all thinking, you. know? So, so yeah, Joe, every dude that. talked to me and said that to me, I. wanted to tell Coach Johnson because we. you can't win with that. >> You can't win with that. >> Yeah. >> I don't mind that you want to make. money. I want to make money, right? I. don't mind whatever you can be want to. be famous, you want to meet girl,

whatever. But we all got to focus on. winning and you can get that. But but. but you can't be sitting here telling me. not to hurt. It's okay to lose. Joker. The only way we going to stop this. losing is if it hurts. >> If it hurts enough. And the more you And. this is what I tell people, Mike. I say. the more you put into something, the. more it hurt when it doesn't work out. Hey, I said because if it does not hurt. when it doesn't work out, you didn't put. enough into it. >> You didn't put enough into it. >> It's really that simple.

>> And and that's the game. That's the game. we play. That's the game we play because. and that's why it it's not just and I. tell people this all the is not our game. is not just about skill. It's about will. it. You can have a better skill set than. me and still get your butt. Look, every. quarterback I named earlier, every last one of them, Deion Sanders, Daryl Green, Roberts. Think about these. All of them better physically the. physical skill set. That kill me. A. physical skill set. They'll kill me.

That kill me. They they all run four. ones and 42s. I best I'mma run a four. five, but I'mma run it first quarter, second quarter, third quarter, fourth. quarter, fifth quarter, sixth quarter, and seventh quarter. If we go eight, I'm. still running that four five. You going. to be at a five and out of five flat by. now. I'mma still be running this four. five. You know, went from a 41 to a five. flat. I be that four five all day long. cuz you're not going to outwork me. You. know what I'm saying? So skill is one. thing, but I got here on wheel and and.

and you got to come those two. That's. what makes our sport so unique. We're. the only sport that ask a man to move. another man against his will. >> Yeah. Yeah. Mike, I ain't going nowhere. The hell you say you hate. You f to get. up out of here. >> Get out of here, boy. >> I don't know what you going to do next. week. >> You can do something that week, but you. losing this week, bro. You going to lose. this week and get used to it. And I tell. get used to it, boy, if you plan B, cuz. I ain't having it. I ain't having it. >> When did you know you guys had turned.

the corner and you had the guys. assembled. >> that could go win a Super Bowl? >> Yeah. You You know what? I that that. that third year we came back. I came. back, we just got drafted in. The first. game we played in, all three of us. together was uh Tampa Bay. >> I was coming back off a knee surgery. Um. and I had I had that ACL. I had missed. the first four games of that season. It. was the fifth game of the year. Yeah. And you I was on injury reserve, you.

know, missed the rest of the season. Then first four games on injury reserve. Came back that fifth game. Caught a. game-winning touchdown. The corner of. the end zone. first time all three of us. was on the field and we won that game. and and then we won a few more games. that year, big game in in in the Rams in. LA and then we were like, "Oh, okay. Now. we're turning the corner. Now we're. starting to turn the corner." And then, you know, that that next year, that 90,

>> the 91 season, >> that 91 season, we we're different. That's the year Emit and I, we both won. receiver and running back of the year, you know, we went we went off. So, and. from there on it it was over. It was. over. >> Once you get a taste of what you win the. Super Bowl, cuz nobody Everybody thought. it was going to be you going to win the. 93 season, but you win the 92 season. >> They thought we were year away. >> Yeah, dude. But see that's what but once you had. gone through that three and 15 that.

three and 13 that one and 15 and now. we're sitting in San Francisco. >> they thought both San Francisco they. were like I don't know if they beat San. Francisco experience and then they don't. have experience in to beat Buffalo in. the Super Bowl. Man, dude I I that San. Francisco game I I don't care. There was. no way on God's green earth we were. losing that game. >> I told I tell people all the time I was. walking around I remember before that.

cuz we were coming from the 3 and 13 one. that was fresh enough. That was three. years ago. >> That wasn't like that was just that was. yesterday. >> Yeah. >> Y'all remember this. We were just there. boy. And I remember walking around. talking like dude I'm talking about I'm. ready to die before I leave here. defeated. We we were all we were ready. We were all ready to die before we leave. there. Boy, we were not leaving without. that victory. And and we. >> But you know, whoever won the NFC. championship was win Super Bowl. They. That That's how we saw it. That's how we.

saw it. Even when we got there, they. said, "Well, Buffalo has experience.". And and I was like, "I don't give a damn. about experience." Yeah, I run a deep. end in the parking lot. It doesn't. matter this. But boy, when I walked in. that Super Bowl, I was like, "Oh, wait a. minute. Maybe I should have cared. Praise you." Cuz it's different, dog. if. there already 50,000 already and you. I'm like. why can't I breathe what's going on out. here? You know, you can't breathe. You. can't you can't even believe it, man.

That was nothing like greatest day of my. life after that game was the greatest. day of my life. I I I No, bar none. I I. know. >> nothing like that first one. >> Nothing like it, man. I sat in that. locker room and did not leave because I. just wanted to remember that. I used to. sit in that lock sit in the locker room. crying when we lose and and now I'm. sitting in this locker room looking at. the Lombardi trophy. That was Dude, I I. stayed there all night. When Jerry tells. you when Jerry when Jerry tells you guys.

we going to make a trade for Charles. Haley, you know the story about Haley. >> Yeah. >> You Haley Haley is a different cat. >> He's very different now than he was. then. And he was very he was very very. different. Very different. And I knew. it. I knew cuz Right. Right. He's a San. Fran. And Daniel Stubs they had drafted. Stubby. >> Yeah. So Stubby was over there. And even. when he was playing for San Fran and I. hope Stubby don't mind me telling this. And that's the game I got hurt um. against San Fr. Stubby used to call, "Hey man, do you guys got to play? Will.

you cracking back? Will you crack down. on DN?" I said, "Why?" He said, "Dude, I. write you a nice check, man, to take out. Charles Haley's knee.". The hell are you talking? He said, "I. hate this joker." You know, cuz I. imagine Charles was all I met Charles. had been all over Danny Stos. So he was. trying to tell me come in and take out. his just take him out. You know, I was. like, man, >> hey, Taylor was all over everybody. >> I ain't coming. >> It'll take a special type of person to. deal with. >> Right. Right. You.

>> special dude. Special dude. >> But I mean he if if he liked you, he. liked you. >> Boy, but if you Right. Right. But. >> but if he didn't, boy, you gonna stay on. you. But he'll stay. But no matter what. he is, if you put him on the field and. say seek EQ QB, he'll get that. Seek E. QB. You could do that. He could do that. real good. I don't care what nobody. said, man. He He was the difference for. us on defense. He was the difference. He. ran that defense. >> Now in 94, you win 92, you win 93.

If Jimmy, because I believe because you. Jimmy was your coach in college. >> Yeah. >> And I know how you felt about Jimmy. I. know how you feel about Jerry, but do. you think do do you ever think about. like, man, why these jokers couldn't. just get along like Mr. Crap and Coach. Bellich for 20? That's perfect, too. And. I was thinking about I I mentioned I was. meaning to bring that up because that's. you're so good at this because that's.

the perfect example. And you know why? You know why? Because Jimmy spoke to the. media. You see Bellich speaks to that, >> right? He so so so they couldn't take. Bellich words run them back to craft. twisted them in twine. They couldn't. take craft back to coach Bellich because. neither one of them. >> Belich don't want to hear. He ain't. giving you the time. He g you know what. I mean? So it was able to do it for so. long. Now Jimmy though Jimmy looking.

even I look at the documentary I can see. I see it. I know coach he sees it now. but like us he was monomomaniacal single. focus. He couldn't see it then. Look at. what this what this league is now. Honestly y'all can say what you want. is. because Jerry. >> Mhm. >> Jerry went to CBS. They're talking about. they talking about documentary. CBS. wanted to take less give less money and. all the other owners were saying okay. because the first good old boy network. Jerry said ain't no good old boys here.

No, no, no. CBS, you out. He brought in. Fox. Now, now Fox made Fox whole network. and and now now everybody starts growing. again. Everybody's coming back in. CBS. tries to wants to work back in. He's. doing the same thing with Netflix in the. salary cap. Coaches making the kind of. money they are making. Uh quarterbacks. making the kind of money they're making. If if if if somehow they could have. worked that out, >> let Jerry let Jerry show off the team so.

he can build a league like he's building. the league, right? That and you just do. your thing. It it would have been. perfect. It would have Jimmy would have. been the greatest co known as the. greatest coach ever. Coach Jerry was. going to promote it that way. >> Cuz you guys were supposed to be the. Patriots before the Patriots became the. Patriot. Because when you won your third. Super Bowl, Mike, you was 28, >> right? Emit was like 25. >> Dude, ain't that crazy? >> Troy was like 26, 27. And you had Larry. Allen. You had time. You had You had We.

had it, man. We It was It dude, it was. >> You do You couldn't keep it together. God darn. I God almighty. They couldn't. keep that together. >> Y'all y'all y'all could have repeated. it. >> I asked Emit the day. I asked Em about. that day cuz I I saw the old I saw that. interview in the in the um documentary. when Bob Costa set Jimmy up pretty good. when he said, you know, Jerry said he. could coach this team. Do you have any.

respect for Jerry's football ac? He. said, "Well, yeah, as an owner, as an. owner." And then and then Bob came back. and and Jimmy thought about it and. Jimmy's smart enough. I I wish he should. have handled that. I know he looks back. now like when he asked but as as an. equal. >> as an equal. It's a setup question. How. the hell you going to ask this man is it. equal to him? Yeah. >> You know equal to him as a coach. Now I. I I wish Jim would have said, "Well, >> listen. I don't expect this man.

>> to know what I need to make me an equal, right, >> to him in business, right? Because when. he's bought Dallas Cowboys because he's. been doing that for 35 years, correct? I've been coaching for 35 years. So you. can't expect me to think he's my equal. like I don't expect him to think I'm g. give an answer like that and leave him. some room to wiggle.". >> You see, cuz he's sitting right next to. it. And I think that was that was the. killer. I think what really hurt Jimmy. is that he said there anybody could. coach this team, but the question is. could anybody have built this team?

>> And that that's a good that's a good. assess. That's a good assessment. >> because to to go to get Troy to draft. imit to trade her what and I think to. think where it started and who traded a. good way. That's a good. >> Who traded Hersel? It was like Jimmy. said I did it. Uh uh uh Jerry said it. was a it was a collective thing and it. kind of it kind of. >> and then when you know you have success. >> and you know you have success. Everybody. thinks they had success. Even the people. that cook the food.

>> everybody. >> you know that food that the best food. y'all had. We don't cook y'all want a. Super Bowl with it. >> We want a Super Bowl around them slays. joker. It got nothing to do with no food. you put on the table. But everybody does. say that dog. Why? man had nothing to do. with it. >> Nothing, man. But you're right. And. that's why winning. >> at that kind of pace is so hard. It is. >> because everybody wants to get more. credit than he than they deserve. >> Than they deserve and and it's just and.

that's why it's hard to keep it. together. >> Yeah. Mike, you almost got traded to the. Raiders. >> Yeah. Yeah. You know, they they have. play I I would have loved to go to the. Raiders if if I was going to get traded. Raiders would have been Al. You remember. Al had you know Al Davis? You know how. you used to walk around when you're. working out and always come by. I don't. know why that wasn't tampering. Why they. never put Al was tampering? Al come. right on by and watch you work out. >> Boy, you work out like a raider. >> So you he would always So you want to be. a raider? >> Raider.

>> Hey boy. Hey boy. All right boy. >> That's his favorite one. >> First time though. Listen though. Davis got close to he come walking by. He always walk by. And and and for us. that was like boy that was like Michael. Corleó invite you into the family bro. Yeah that was Michael knew. >> what. >> cuz you you saw him all the time. >> That mean you know he knows and he said. you one of them dogs cuz we only want. dogs over here. So yo he played that.

great man. I loved Al man. I loved Al. But Jerry Jerry Jerry even said he said. when um when they were talking about. trading me and everything, Al Davis was. the one told him because he was new. Jerry was new. He said, "You don't trade people like that. You. should trust me, you don't trade people. like that." So, you know, so so you. know, Al, I I had a great respect and. love for Al Davis, man. I really did. >> When y'all got time, did you know the. time with up for 49ers? I'm glad y'all.

enjoyed that championship, but you're. not going to get it. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. And and and and I I. was, you know, I had called time. We had. talked. Dude, I got time here. He called. when we talked on the phone. I said, he. said, "Michael, man, what is it like?" I. said, "What was that like going from. Atlanta to San Francisco?" He said, "Do. San Fr.". I said, "Just multiply that by 10. Come on. Let me show you. Come on.

That's my verbatim word, dog. That joker. came that third. Yo, I have been all on. the radio, y'all. Prime time party Thursday night. Y'all. come on and make me help me welcome him. here. Help me get him here. We going to. make sure Dion had to become a boy. The. whole city came back. >> They turned out. >> What? >> Man, you know, time is a show. Yes. >> He's always been a show. He's always.

been a show, man. So, you put that show. on, man. And I got time. I was so happy. to get him, man. That's my boy. I love. him. And and and I was like, man, we've. been beating each other up for a long. time. >> Let's join forces. >> Let's stop this mess, man. Let's come on. and play together. And then that that. made that Florida thing that we love. >> Let me let's go to some current events. You've been outspoken about Shadore and. how the the Browns have handled that. situation. And um I've said, look, I. ain't saying the man should start, but I. do believe that he played well enough in.

the one game cuz I was in a very similar. situation, Mike. I got drafted in the. seventh round, played really well in the. preseason game, and then I started. getting ripped with the ones and twos. because the coaches wanted to see, okay, he did that against the threes and. fours. Let's see what he could do. against tougher competition, >> right? >> I just thought that was the natural. progression. I'm not saying he takes all. the rep with the ones, but I'm saying, don't you want to see if he could. perform at that level with better. competition against better competition?

>> Correct. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. And and. that's the process. That's the process. of his progress. I want to see that. I. want to see now. Now, what they did and. and honestly, I knew they would. What. they've done now is put it in a. situation. Oh, this is about to be one. of the most interesting seasons for the. Cleveland Browns that we've ever seen. for the Cleveland Browns. The way I see. this thing happening and I'm you call it. a prediction. I'm saying this I'm. prophesying. I know it'll go down this.

way. I don't know. But old Joe, how he. he gonna play first four, five games. maybe. And if this team is 0 and4, one. and five, something like that, and no, you're not going anywhere, or Joe gets. hurt, dude, Cleveland is going to be. where are it's going to be the first. inseason quarterback battle between. rookies. If I'm Cleveland, I'm almost. saying this thing wide open. I'mma get I.

I'll start Dylan one week, Shadu the. next. So, do you know how many people. gonna tune in to watch this live in. season quarterback battle? Joe Flacko. hurt. Let's find out. And we got to find. out which one of these, if any one of. these can do it. We got to go back in. This is about to. be a very interesting season for the. Cleveland Browns. And I believe Shador. get those reps that that that you were. talking about to see if and and when she.

get the reps, I want make sure you put a. game plan together for him. The other. day the other day he had no time back. here with those guys. Why are we doing. regular drop backs? >> Yeah. >> Either either give him a quick game, >> right? >> Just give him a quick game. And and you. give him a quick game even though you. don't got linemen to block. Give me some. receiver that can work the quick game, >> right? hit hit to give me some move. You. know what I mean? And usually it takes a. quarterback two, three years to really.

learn a quick game where I where I can. take these bad line and still make a. play. That's Tom Brady stuff. That's Pat. Patrick that that's that's that's stuff. is going to take you a little time to. learn. So yeah, I'm anxious to see what. happens with. >> And I I think the thing is what Shadore, he he he fell into the thing and and and. you know this better than anybody, Mike, >> you're not going to make every play and. sometimes he falls into the trap. Correct. He He's He's giving up, bro. You can't give up that kind of ground, >> right? >> Sometimes, hey, one, two, >> check it down. Throw it away.

>> Or throw it away. >> It's really that simple. An incompletion. sometimes. >> is the best thing that you could have. >> But when you playing in desperation, it's like you said, so Okay. Okay. So, just like you, you're a seventh rounder. Yeah. >> So, now you got to go in here. Joker, I. know like the the old vet that been here. for I know you don't want me to, but I'm. about to block you real hard because I. don't know if I'm going to be here, buddy. So, you can let somebody else get. in this game because don't ask me to go. easy cuz they going to send me home. You. know what I'm saying? So, you got to.

have you got to work through that cuz. you he like he's got to try to make a. play. Like, you got to try to make a. play cuz I got to make this team. If. you're a firstrounder, you threw the. ball away. Nobody going to say that, right? But but you know, you're in a. competition. So yeah, that that's that's. kind of the balance. >> Sometimes the incompletion is a good. play. >> It's a good play. >> And and guys got to learn. You know what. I want. >> and they got and and that's the part. that most young guys have to learn in. the NFL. They do some throwing it away. Zero is better than minus 12. >> You go back and look at your your team.

that won. You guys got Charles Haley, you took the next step. You went and got. Dion, you went back. You guys had an. opportunity to get Randy Moss in 98. >> Yeah. >> If you get Randy Moss in 98, do you guys get. >> We do it. We do it. Yeah. No doubt. Randy gives me life. But he had it to. Chris Carter. He should have added here. You know, I had spoke with Randy during. that draft and and Randy, we we had. already started a friendship. I really.

thought he was going to get drafted. here. And and and Jerry talked about it. just because of the stuff that we had. gone through. Yeah. Here. And the way. the media came at it, he you know, they. they backed him up off Randy and man, oh. my god, we' have gotten Randy Moss. >> That would have been that would have. been the difference. That would have. been the difference because he was Well, he ate us up too every time he played. us. >> Oh, that that Thanksgiving Day game. >> Thanksgiving day. though. He went three. for 163. I'm playing, you know, see we.

ain't get him now. I got to match up on. him. I mean, I think I had like eight. for 135. I fumb. my butt in here tonight. You know what I. mean? I was supposed to get this dude, man. Kylie, I heard that bothered me. too. That was another one. When you look. at the things that you say the the Eric. Williams car accident, >> yes, >> that cost us one with with I I even with. Dion in San Francisco with Eric. Williams, we win that Super Bowl. We win. that we we we win another Super Bowl,

you know, and then you get Dion, we. certainly go win th those those things. right there. We get Randy, you know, these are plays that man. Yeah. Yeah. We're definitely We could have won five. in a row. Five. Five in a row. Should. have won me six or seven by myself. No doubt though. I should have won three. straight national titles, too, before I. got to Dallas. I should have I played. three straight national titles games. I.

should have won all them juggles, too, man. But yeah. Yeah. It's been hard. >> You um you mentioned the differences. between Jimmy and Barry. Jimmy was a guy. he gonna grind you. >> Grind you. >> He gonna ride you, >> right? >> He gonna take you to the limit. He gonna. push you. Take it right up over to the. line. And he gonna ask you to look over. >> He going to ask you to look over the. line cuz that you you going to the line. now, Mike. You going right up. >> Go. You got to go. You got to go. >> Oh, that's far as I can go right there. And And I I was I was telling you this.

that there's a saying that I love that. says only those who risk going too far. can possibly truly knows how far we can. go. You know what I mean? And and yeah, that that's how we've been doing it, you. know, and it's great on the field, but. sometimes not so great off the field. >> But then you get. >> Barry and Barry was a guy you're you're. a professional. You're a grown man. You. know what you're supposed to do. Go. handle your business. >> Right. and and it don't that that that.

that that's a great. thing to say, but it's not a reality in life. >> No. >> In no kind of way. >> No. >> Everybody has to be held accountable. >> to what we're trying to do. And and. everybody's not going to have the same. accountability if you leave it to them. on their own. Correct. >> So, we have to set the standard for. accountability. That's why they got. people that selfch checkout cuz they. know you going to scan one and put one.

in the back. Scan one, put two in the. back. You know, they like we going you going. to try and people most people are going. to try to slip a corner if you don't. watch or you don't pin it down. And. >> twin championships, there is no corner. slipping. >> Nope. >> There is no way around it. Nobody can. give it to you. Nobody can hope it for. you. is will. You got to go take it. So, I can't play with you right.

>> in the practice because they not going. to play with you in the real. You got to. go get it. That's just what it is. >> Mike, why are you on this? And and and. I've kind of gotten away from this. I. really never big on this. >> going back and forth with current. players or former players. Yeah. Cuz Ty. told me this. He's like He's like, man, he's like the problem that you have. He. said, "You're not wrong." He says, "But. because you have a gold jacket, it. carries more weight. >> than when anybody else says anything. else about them players.".

>> So when you say something about a. player, you got a gold jacket, your. credential, because for the longest they. like, "Well, what did you do?". >> They can't ask Michael Urban, "What did. he do?" He got three of them things. He. was an all decade player in the 90s. And. what number are you? I'm 267. What. number are you? >> 232. >> 232. >> So you got that. >> So when you speak, you know what you. speak of. >> Right. Right. >> People get upset. They call it hating. >> cuz you can't you can't have an opinion. now. You can't critique a play now, Mike. You hating. >> Right. Right. Right. Right. Because of.

who you are. And Shannon, that that's. the power of what you do and and of what. we have. And And let me do this to be. righteous because I love you, brother. And let me apologize to you here live. while while we're on because I you know. even when when the Travis. >> Hunter. >> Hunter stuff went down you know with. this girl and I said come on man and. then we finally talked about it what did. we talk I said the same thing to you. >> I said Shannon I want you to think about.

that's you saying cuz everybody talking. to this girl and saying I said everybody. saying stuff the only one he what I said. the only way he's going to remember is. you. >> what said. >> and we going to need you one day to go. lift him up and he's going to bring back. up. Oh man, you try to talk to my woman, man. Like, you know what I mean? But and. and that's what I was talking because. that's you just said it. A million other people can say it, but. they ain't got that jacket. >> It'll go right off his back, >> but he's trying to get and be you. So,

he's going to hear it from you. And now. you won't ever have the ability to go. give him what he needs as he takes his. journey. >> Right? >> And that's what I was saying when I I. said, "Shannon, we gonna need you." When. I called, I said, "We don't need you. We. going to need you. This brother going to. need you. I don't want him to turn her. ear off. >> to you. You're one of our greatest. spokesman out here. I need you to be the. and and you didn't do anything wrong, right? >> But he gonna take it that way, right? Cuz I like that. >> you trying to help him." But but but but.

speaking to his girl, he gonna be like. he gonna protect his girl. You know what. I mean? And you know that kind of thing. I told people. >> you have to understand when you were. growing up and your mom or your dad or. your grandparents told you not to see. that boy or not to see that girl, it. drove you closer. Now you ain't Yeah. So. now you trying to pull them apart, they're going to band together almost. like a Romeo and Juliet together. Right. Right. Right. Right. So. >> and and and then blame you cuz you know. you like like you did something to this.

generation different now. >> They very different. >> They different now. You know I I told my. son the other day listen man I don't. want you with all these girls in the. house you know all these women. Hey man. like. this my house. I do what I want my. house. I'm telling you what I don't want. you doing at in my house. That's what I. mean trying to Well, I don't hear that. You can't be doing that at my you know. this generation. My son Elijah told me. one time I said like what did somebody. take my money out of here? I said.

somebody steal my money. Somebody He. said, "Dad, did did you take the money?". He said, "Yeah, I got it." I said, "I. didn't steal your money, Dad. I took it. I You're my dad. I can't steal from you. You took my money. You That's how they. see it. You're my dad. What's yours is. mine. You I can't steal from you." I. said, "Okay, this boy crazy." You know. what I mean? But they believe that this generation. believe my dad would have grabbed that. belt and. but we ain't no more money around here.

all year long. You can't be you know it. have been a whole different thing but. this generation different. >> What do you think about today's. receivers uh compared because it's it's. different. I mean the game is different. The way you attack the receiver, the way. you can attack the wide receiver, the. the space in which they play in. >> But they physically gifted now. Some. talented mother brother. >> Oh, we. >> Mike, you didn't have no 101. You have. no 70 Cam Newton 707. You ain't have. none of that. We learned to play in the. backyard against a crazy dog. Ain't they. they they and these receivers and this.

passing game. It's just. >> quarterback quarterback coaches in. middle school in junior high in high. school. I was telling people when we. were playing, you had the big receiver. and the fast receiver. >> Yeah. >> Not the big receiver is the fast. receiver. They they all won, man. And. it's so amazing to see the talent and. skill set they. >> you got the sevenfooters dribbling. basketballs all the way up the floor. shoot because everybody now sports have. become such a big business now. >> it's like like when you tell your kids.

go be a doctor go be a lawyer everybody. go be an athlete. So you start training. three four five years old and they train. all them all their lives. The fat guys. used to shake fat. Now they're just. man, these are 350 pound wide receiver. looking dudes. >> Yeah. >> Like Aaron Don, there's not an ounce of. fat on these jo. a supposed to be that. He ain't supposed. to He ain't supposed to be that size and. bend the edge like. >> amazing to see that. Supposed to do I.

don't care what you say. He ain't. supposed to be. >> Dude, I I I saw I had him out. Well, I. saw Alonzo Spellelman. Have you ever. seen Alonzo Spamman walk through a. locker room naked with all them muscles. sitting on top of him? I said, "God darn, man." Oh, I would. hate to make that joker mad, man. I. mean, it's just a physical beast, man. And boy, >> yeah, Miles. They're different different. athletes. They're different. They're. different now. They the physical skill. set. Physical skill set now. Mentality,

they are different also. I see receivers. now tapping heads on third down. Coming. out there. I ain't never coming out on. third down. That That's the money. I'm. going to get that ball. They going to. get. >> You can't even play with me if I see you. tap your helmet in on third down. Coach, get him out the game. >> Don't ever bring his ass back. Don't you. You leaving now? We need third down. >> Yeah. >> You want to We need to go get these. other downs. >> right. >> right now. You can go some next, but you. if you leave on this third down, don't. ever want to play. I don't ever want to. play with you again. So So So that So.

you got all the physical skill set. all. the physical skill set, but sometimes I. question the desire when I see guys. walking off the field on third down. >> Denzel has some very some very some some. very strong comments to say about them. Cowboys. >> You heard what he said. >> Yeah. Denzel Washington. Yeah. Love. Denzel. >> Yeah. Yeah. He say he said I don't know. >> Yeah. I heard him talk about Jerry say. all money ain't good money. You know. what I mean? You know, I guess when you. get up there with the kind of money but. me all money.

I guess when you get up there, I I can't. wait to see that day. You know, >> I wonder what day we show like. have some bad bad 50. Hey, that's that's a bad 50 million. I. don't know if you want that. Well, let's. sit over here anyway. I decide we'll. find later. >> All right. Right. I don't know about that. All money ain't. good money. But but I get the gist of. what he's saying, you know. I get the. gist of what he's saying. It's about.

let's get it to the field. Let's get. back in in in the championship uh uh. challenge and everything. And I believe. and he's right about that. He's right. about it. And that's why and I know. Jerry does business with that's why I. thought this time this time is the right. time to get Michael Parson done. Let's. not go through what he went through with. Dak and CD. Let's make Micah I wanted. him to make Micah to Patrick Mahomes of. this team. I thought that would have. been smart. >> Right. the expectations. You got George.

Pickkins. CD comes back healthy. Dak. says he's feeling good. The only thing. really the uncertainty is uh is your. defense, but you're going to be reliant. on your offense because your best player. your three of your best four players. Micah for me is the best player on this. team. But you got Sidi, you got Pickkins. who's coming from Pittsburgh, extremely. talented, but you know, hey, he wasn't. getting the ball, he would mope, he. wouldn't block. And then you have Dak. What is your expectations for the. Cowboys this season? >> I I what you have to look at this year.

and especially in this league, the. Cowboys probably the last year had those. three 12 and five seasons. >> They were averaging about 28, 29, 30. points a game. In those years, they were. top pretty tops in offense. in this league. If you can put an. offense on the field, >> you can win some games. Yes, >> you can put offense on the field. >> and and and you can make some plays. late, you can win the game. Now, Cowboys. have that on offense.

>> The issue I'm having with and when you. do go up and put them points on the. board, >> now you just set the defense up to pin. their ears back, >> right? >> The best ear pinner you have, >> you're not even paying. >> True. >> So, how are you working harmoniously. to get to a Super Bowl? So, so I Michael. Parson's value. >> went up when you got George Pickkins, >> correct? >> Because now every time you gave given.

Dak two receivers, he came away 12 and five. He was in the. top offense and you know you got he has. that now, >> right? Michael Parson should have more. value because he can get to the. quarterback. And if you're going to put. up 35 points, that's the surprise that I. think will hit a lot of people this year. because the Cowboys will put up at least. 30 points a game. >> I think. I think it was last year you spoke about. your wife who's been by your side. through thick and thin, >> a baby,

>> and you said she's going through early. onset dementia. >> Yeah. >> How how how has that been on you dealing. with that? I mean, she's such a young. age and to see the woman that you've. been she was a cheerleader at the you. met in college. >> and to see her go through things. >> and and and with the support that she's. given me over the years, you know, my. wife, I'm 59 and we we recognized some things. were going wrong with her about 10 years.

ago actually. Really, >> we thought it was menopause and you. know, you go through it and start going. to the doctor. Now I'm coming off of. burying my mother-in-law. Well, well, I. buried my mom. She had Alzheimer's. >> My mother-in-law was living with us. >> cuz she had Alzheimer's and we were. taking care of her. And now we we. thought my wife was going through. menopause at 49 cuz she's coming at 50. And so in about a year, but a year a. year and a half of testing, we find out. it was early onset. So we have been.

dealing with this eight nine years you. know going back and forth and and it's. been you know what's difficult is you. know you know it it's quite hard to take. care of someone 24 hours a day. >> 24 hours and she and she has uh that a. agitate agitating all times angry and I. have to keep a 24-hour nurse with her. nurse with her all the time and in these. people now you know she angry agitation.

all times and she hit you, they take. that nurse out, send another nurse and. they put more charges on. I mean, they. running a bail up on me. But but but she. if anybody has earned the right to be in. her home. >> Yes. >> You know what I mean? And no matter. what, she will be in her home. And I. just I I I have to do it. And it gets. hard. But but football gets me like I. I'll do what I got to do all week and. then get to go on the weekend and talk. football so well, watch some games, have. a good time, and I can come back and do. what I got to do again. You know what I.

mean? And take care of my wife, take. care of my family, and but but football. still football, playing football brought. me out of the ghetto now being around. the game keeps me sober and gives me. that lift so I can go deal with. everything else I need to deal with. The. most touching thing. that I took from that documentary is. that when you got in that trouble and. your wife said, "The Lord told me, I am your wife.". >> Yeah. >> And whatever else you did, you got to. work out that with him.

>> Going to make it, >> but I'm your wife, >> right? >> And I'm not leaving, >> but you got to work out what you need to. work out with him. When you told you. told a story. >> and it almost like you broke down like. that broke me everything else I had been. through I thought I was strong enough to. overcome but when I heard of those words. that broke me. >> it's the fight in me right I told you. about the reptilian brain I rather her. to fight me. >> here not physical fight cuz I've never.

hit a woman but rather said what is. wrong with you what are you doing how. could you do how could you do me like. that then I what I've been taking care. of everybody. You know that that's I'm. going to take care of my family, your. family. I'm going through that. You can. run to that. >> Yeah, >> you could run to that. But she didn't. fight me. She says, "I'm going to get out of the way.". And now she makes that fight between me. and me. Now I'm looking and she just showed me.

in that moment how much she doesn't. deserve, how much I don't deserve her in. that moment. and she's saying she's not. going anywhere. What you go in the room. and say to that, what do you do? I I I. was hoping she gonna fight me and we get. in the argument. I can walk back out the. door and go do some more, >> right? >> Or she said, I'm with the boy. Hey, since you want to be out there, I'm I'm. out. >> Do what you got to do. Well, I'm gone. I'll go back and do some more. You know. what I mean? But when she hit me with.

that, it was Oh, yeah. Boy, you God. Yeah, that was that was the hardest. When you found yourself alone with. yourself, did you ask God, "God, what did I do to. deserve this woman? What did I do to. deserve her? What did I do to deserve. your mercy?". >> Yeah. Something like that. Any a woman. like this. And my mom my mom, man, she. was always like, you know, you meet. people as you go through. And my mom.

would always say, "That's a good girl, baby, but she's not. the one." Like, "I look up on her, but. she not the one. That's a girl. She's. not. I like her, but she's not." Soon as. she met Sandy, she was like, "That's it. That's the wife. That's what my wife and. my mom were very close, you know, very. close." And and my and me and her mom. were very close cuz her mom put me back. together. Like even when I was out all. night messing around and come back home,

her mom would say, "Baby, come on now. It's just the devil that were trying to. take our blessings." She said, "I got. you. Just we going to get you back on. your feet." And she would pray, feed me, say, "Ain't nobody going nowhere. We're. going to get you back on your. >> That's old school though.". >> Yeah. Yeah. >> That's That's how my grandparents came. That's how they came from. And it. happened today. That's that village. When they say take a village, that's a. village. they they they're going to look. out and take care of you and she was. like that. I love her mom and I were so.

close. I miss her so much, man. Cuz she. just she just helped me with everything, you know. She just helped me. But but. yeah, that that's been hard. And and. that's the thing was after watching what. my mom go through and then us picking. her mom up off the floor, even at the. house all time, when she realized when. we realized it was Alzheimer's, my wife, she she ran a problem. I don't want anybody to know. I don't. want anybody to know. I see. That's why. people never found out.

But I've been dealing with 10 years cuz. she didn't want anyone to know. And and. and how they found out is I brought. everybody cuz I told everybody that you. can come live at the house. It's a big. house. You come live at the house. Help. out. And and then her brother and sister. get in a fight. at the house and and I'm working and. they're calling me all the time. He has. to go. he had to go. Then I had to get. her brother to leave and he didn't want. to leave. I had to take him to court to. leave out and then it all came out in a.

little court cuz I had to get him to. leave right there, you know, and and it. was just it's mess. This is so hard on. families disorder because every family. member loves the one that is sick and. they they think they know what's best. and you got you arguing about treatment. and who's going to take care of her and. this thing requires an anointing. I can't do it 24 hours a day every day. So I got I have to get help. It takes an.

anointing to take care of people. So, I'm praying for everybody out here. that's dealing with it. And there's a. lot of people that are dealing with it. >> You know, a child taking care of a. child, you can pick the child up, you. can carry him around, but you're talking. about an adult that's not as easily. manageable. >> Correct. Correct. >> And like you said, she's at that state. where she she gets agitated and she. fights you back and you try to calm her. down and it's it's it's a huge. undertaking. >> and and and with a child, you have hope.

of tomorrow. I'm doing all of this now, but the kids going to learn and they'll. be able to do it. So, you got a end. game. >> There is none here. >> She's not going to get better. >> We're going to continue to do this. And. so, you just got to keep that support. and keep people around her. Like the. doctor say, bring as much family around. as you can. >> Does she recognize family? >> She she she doesn't recognize anyone. You know, it's so funny you say that for.

the first time about 3 months ago. And I. promise you, man, in. at least. seven, eight years before she and she. said it, she looked at me, you know, she. said, and I held her hands out like, "Come. here, baby." And she hadn't done that. in, you know, seven, eight years. about. about six years ago. Six years, seven. years ago, she came we were in the room.

and she looked at me like, "Who's this in my bed?". And that's when I knew, yeah, yeah, I. can't be in the room anymore. So, I had. to go to the other room cuz she were. like, "Hey, who is this man in my bed?" You know? So. yeah, she had to have her own room. >> Damn. Sorry to hear that, Mike. Um, you. just you touched on it briefly. Uh,

Rampage Jackson, his son Raja into a got. into a situation with uh, Psycho Stew. Um, and you like he gets on the uh, the. internet. The internet is a blessing and. a curse. >> Yeah, >> it is a blessing and a curse, right? >> Cuz you've seen it make careers and you. seen the end careers and sometimes. people perform do performative for the. camera. That's really not who they are. But they perform for the cameras. I. mean, if. >> all the time, ain't no sometimes. Most. of the time. >> Yeah. Most of the time. >> If if if you could if if you could like.

if that was your child, I mean, how. would you how would you go about it, Mike? How would you how would you handle. how would you like, man, you know, I I. thought Rampage, you know, he came out. and says, "Look, I I want to apologize. for my son." That's that's really that's. really all you can do because the act. has already happened. You just hope that. people will give him mercy, will give. him grace, show him leniency. Um, but. there's really nothing. I mean, it's. happened now. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I tell you what, now I. know they're trying to say all of this. and and everything and they told him. part of scheme and all of that.

There's a lawsuit coming. >> Mhm. I apologize who apologized to who. whatever cycle still going through and. and and and. somebody going to reach get psycho suit. and say, "Listen, we got money here.". Okay, >> we got So, so there's a lawsuit coming. I just I I you know, I I just want like. if if if. you're going to be doing all this and. streaming and inviting people in,

understand you're inviting in their. opinions, too. >> Yes. So you can't after inviting all. these people in. go crazy on somebody else cuz all these. people saying you soft and all you know. cuz that's what he was look calling me. Ain't this ain't that what you you. invited them to this show. You told them. that their opinions matter and you're. allowing them now space in your brain.

and and and these things happen. Yeah. I. think I think I used to always say I. rather somebody I'd rather be around. somebody that's. I understand mental illness is real, but. I'd rather be around somebody that's. really mentally ill than somebody's. acting like they're mentally ill because. somebody's acting like they're mentally. ill or take it too far to prove the. point. >> You know what I mean? and and he's. somebody mentally ill, you you can kind. of see it and deal with it and work with.

it and and and I don't know I don't know. about him, but I was like I'm I'm. worried about what I see with that, right, >> dude? It wait. It's a wrestling match. We all. know this is fake. >> Correct. >> And that can he hit you with ain't no SP. up there. That can was already soft and. prepared for that hit. You didn't even. move when he hit you. It wasn't even. that serious. And and you know, I. understand. But for you to go after all.

of that time. and whale like that and think that was. okay, that's a little crazy, >> right? >> That's a little crazy. And and you might. say, "Well, that's crazy, Michael. We. talking about that. We just talked about. you [ __ ] dude throwing all of that.". Yeah. Yeah. But that was woof. I mean, you just pounded 25 times on this man. and he's out. That's Yeah. >> What's it been working like with Cam and. Mason? >> I love those guys. They're funny.

They're funny. It remind me a lot of. Dion and I, right? You know that old. friendship that's been around a long. time. You got those hidden things to. mess with. >> But they're smart dudes. >> They are smart dudes, man. I love what. they've done. And I love the brand. because. >> our people spend a lot of time music and. and sports. So when you start blending. those two, you can grab a good audience. because that that's what that's what we. do and that's you know that. So I love.

having that opportunity to talk to us to. talk to that audience. I enjoy being. with them. >> Cam um because some criticism Cam Newton. when he said Jaylen Hurst he don't say. think Jaylen Hurst is a top 10. quarterback and everybody now they try. to undermine undermine his career. Cam. was a phenomenal player. He was MVP. >> Oh my god. uh won the Heisman Trophy. >> Phenomenal. >> I mean, are we no longer allowed to have. opinions, Mike? >> Yes, you can have an opinion. You can.

have an opinion, but you got. >> somebody else going to have an opinion. on your opinion, >> right? That's just what it is. And if. you deliver the opinion. and you come off of anything where. people feel you are staying professional. and you go personal, then they're going. to go personal. >> Correct. and and and and it's just what. they may see. You know, every Eagle fan. once you say that about Jaylen Herz, >> come on, man. They man just gave him a. Super Bowl. >> Super Bowl.

>> Took him to two game last. So, you going. to get some push back and you didn't win. that Super Bowl. You just got to get. ready to handle that. And you going to. get everybody going to bring up you not. diving on that ball. >> Correct. >> You just got to be ready for that and be. ready when you go in, you know. will be. ready to go in when you go in and. understand that's what's going down. That's what's going down. >> I'm going to get you out of here on this. one. Mike, your your dad raised 17 kids. >> You don't nearly have that many kids. What type of father is Michael Irvin?

How close of a your father how he raised. his kids are you to raising your kid? You. >> rais my my dad was more hard on us. It. was more difficult, tough, you know what. I mean? My dad, my dad would say when I. was a kid, he said, you know, teaching. me about being a man, he said, being a. man is about making decisions. >> Mhm. >> Living and dealing with the results or.

the consequences. That's what we got to. do, you know. And so I remember being. young and thinking I was sleek. I said, "Oh, okay." So I said, "But dad, you. know, I think I'm going to make a. decision." Try to wake me up one day. I. made a decision. I think I want to quit. school. He said, "Okay, son. Let's go to I said that I I just made a. decision. I thought you were being a man. and making a decision, >> right?". >> And I said, "Yeah, that's the decision. The other side of it is the consequence. Let's go. You're going to go to work.

with me, >> dude. Dude, I went to work with this. joker that first day.". Oh, and we He was a roofer. Like we went. on the roof. >> Yeah. >> And laid towel in Florida. >> Yeah. >> So my dad died of a brain and throat. tumor. I to this day I know it was it. was the sun in Florida beating down on. his head. >> every cuz we worked Sunday. Sunlight. Sunlight. >> Yeah. But you had to car those ties up. You had to cut your towel upstairs. >> I'm carrying. >> I mean on top of the roof because now. they got a machine that'll ride it up.

there for you. >> Dude, that's what I hand. And I had to. put on ropes, pull that stuff up. You. had to grab the towel. So he worked me. to death when I when I went to co I. worked every summer with him. I went to. college. I took the pants and the shirt. with all this cement on it. Dude, it was. in it was on my on my um wall in in a. college. I said, "Boy, if you don't make. football work, that's going to be work.". >> Yeah. >> I'm never going to work that. I was. never going to work that. >> That what I tell football. >> Have a lot of jobs when you growing up.

because it'll tell you what you don't. want to do. >> What you don't want to do. Because if. you can't do that job as a child, when. you young, you got full of energy. >> Energy. Right. Right. >> As an adult, >> no time for it. No time for it. So So it. it's a different and and and and it goes. back to what I was saying when we. started it. >> in our areas where we grew up, we didn't. have I want to be him. I want to be him. I want to be him. Them pants and shirt, I don't want to be. That's what I know. I will not be him. And that's how you.

got it. That's how you got motivated. >> 20 2026 Super Bowl champ Cowboys. 2025. that plays in 2026. Cowboys got a chance. here. Cowboys got a chance. We got a new. head coach and there's so many things. you got to see how he handles in game, >> right? >> In game. But in this league, if you can. put 25 to 30 points on, you can win any. game in this league. and the Cowboys. have an offense that can put up 30.

points, 20 27 to 30 points, you can win. games. When you rewatch. uh America's team, um the gambler and. the Cowboys, when you rewatch all that, what goes through your mind, >> man, it's first of all, I'm so glad they. showing these highlights, man. >> Because they forgot they forgot how bad. a brother was. Boy, I forgot how bad I. was. I ain't mad at them. I forgot boy.

I'm like I die. Two touchdowns. Two touchdowns with 18. seconds. What? >> Sh that boy. Hey boy. Golly. I don't. know why we like that. Why them. highlights bro? I'm like everywhere I go. now doing speaking engagements and they. play these highlights. Give me a copy of. that. I got a copy of all of them. I. want all the highlights. You know what I. mean? So first it's always you go. through and you go over those moments, man. But it but people what I want them. to take from it I want what I want these. current Cowboys to take from take from. it is what we talked about the closeness.

it takes to win championships. I always say this football teams and. organizations will never win a. championship. It's too hard. It has to. be a football family. Think about. championship teams man. You in football. you in baseball. Reggie Jack Reggie he. have problem with the manage. Y'all. ain't got to get along. You can still. win. In basketball, you can probably. still win. It ain't happening in. football because everything is.

interconnected and interdependent on one. another. So, we can't have these strife. this gripe division. This division you. can't be. So, so that that's the whole. game. If you become. this close, this is what it takes to be a champion. and and you could talk about all of the. talent we had, but you get to see the. work we put in and the determination we. had to turn it around. And honestly, there's nothing greater when it starts.

at the bottom and you raise it to the. top. That that that's the greatest. journeys that you can take. >> Playmaker. my dog. >> Love you, my brother. My bro, >> all my life been grinding all my life. Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price, want. a slice, got to roll a dice. That's why. all my life I've been grinding all my. life. All my life been grinding all my. life. Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price, want to slice, got to roll dice. That's.

why all my life I've been grinding all. my life. [Music].