Kandi Burruss’ Emotional Past With Xscape & Jermaine Dupri | EP. 76 CLUB SHAY SHAY

it was like a 18 minute long interview. wow and the whole 18 minutes she was. dogging me out it was very hurtful did. you know she felt had these feelings. towards you no no it bothered you now. you tearing up a little bit now oh yeah. can we get some cleanup. all my life and running all my life. sacrifice hustle baby price wanna slice. got to roll a dice that's why all my. life I've been grinding all my life all. my life been running all my life. sacrifice hustle baby price wanna slice.

got to roll a dice that's why all my. life I've been grinding all my life. hello welcome to another edition of Club. Shay Shay I am your host Shannon sharp. I'm also the Prada of Club Shay Shay and. the lady that's stopping by needs no. introduction apps actually she's the. first female to actually sit in studio. so this is a first so thank you for. stopping by she's a Grammy award-winning. songwriter TV personality executive. producer actress entrepreneur. restaurateur.

she's the first black woman to win. a-s-c-a-p songwriter of the Year genre. she's also the first female winner of. The Masked Singer she's a wife a mom a. real housewife of Atlanta and a fan. favorite candy Burris Tucker damn all of. that. well thank you and I'm the first the. plumbing to be in club stations give it. up you are the first if you haven't. heard I love being the first yes you are.

the first in the life actually when we. were sitting down to get the guest list. who we could have on it was I was like. asking uh my stylist Hollywood I said. Hollywood who should be the first female. to actually come in and sit in club Shay. Shay I'm talking about without. hesitation he said candy. I'm like hey hold on we should be a kid. dude because I'm like no I'm like I know. you're not talking about the real house. I like Hollywood why would she even sit. down I'm like I don't know if that's. she's like you ought to reach out to her.

I like well who's who handles her he's. like Don Juan. hi. everybody. I was like really. see you see really that's what I said. when he said you should have candy on. and I'm like really so thank you for. stopping by well thanks for reminding me. I think the biggest thing is candy is. that a lot of people they only know you. from The Real Housewives because you're. so far removed I mean you still do music.

I'm sure you still right yeah but you're. far removed from Escape you're far. removed from like being in front. I don't know if I would totally agree. because right now SWV Escape we have a. new TV show on proud of that well prior. to that um our group we reunited I guess. about six years ago okay and um we. started we've been selling out shows I. know you have I mean. don't don't play me like hold on I.

remember Escape in the 90s my daughter. oh that that's that's I'm like. so you started at a very young age. singing were you always musically. inclined. um. I would think so I mean I mean our group. we started singing together when I was. 14. okay. um that was when I first started going. to the performance Tri-Cities okay yeah. right East Point. um so basically uh I would sing a little.

bit but not like really really trying to. I guess ninth grade okay so ninth grade. and then you get a recording contract in. the 11th grade yep and then your single. drop that summer yep how quickly did. your life change. oh. it's. um. it changed like immediately just simply. because you know I'm in high school and. we got a hit song on the radio right so.

even though like my friends I would be. going to school on a regular basis but. then I would have to lead and be like Oh. I got shows this weekend wow or I have. to you know do this you know something. big that they my classmates if it was. something on TV the teacher would record. it and they would be able to watch us. all day for the next day so they used to. be glad like if I had to be out of. school or something like oh good we get. to watch y'all in history class or. whatever did you think like when you. first started in the ninth so did you. did you have to give up anything were. you in the sports did you play sports.

basketball soccer. cheerleading no I definitely I did not. want to do any of that I didn't feel. like that was my thing I didn't want to. be out in the hot ass Sun that that I. was like my friends all you know were. trying to get me to do that stuff and I. was like nah I only did Performing Arts. so I did drama drama that's mainly what. I did and then I was in the East. Ensemble of Atlanta as well okay so I. outside of school I still was in theater. right so that was so in the ninth grade.

you said this is my colleague did you. know that's what you wanted to do moving. forward did you always want to be. okay that's a good question. okay when I was young at first I used to. say I wanted to be an accountant or a. lawyer okay and then when I got um I. just I kind of fell into the Performing. Arts okay A friend of mine she wanted to. go right and you had to do this audition. process for the summer and she didn't. want to do it by herself and so she. asked me to go with her okay and then I.

ended up getting picked for the school. and she didn't unfortunately she didn't. how could you do that no no no no no no. no it wasn't my fault like it it wasn't. my fault you should have said you know. what as much as I would like this is my. this is her this is my friend. it was my fault but she changed it. changed my life going to that school. changed my life because I was not really. necessarily doing all the right things. that I should be doing because I guess I. didn't have like a Focus right you know. what I'm saying so when I got there and.

was around other like-minded people that. were into music and arts. um it just kind of like changed. everything for me and me and my group. members. um it was like right around the time. where you know laface records had came. to Atlanta absolutely so it made it real. that okay if we just get a record deal. we could blow up right and so that's all. I thought I didn't it never occurred to. me that we wouldn't blow up I was just. like we just needed somebody to sign us. right so yeah so you met them so did. they also attend Tri-Cities or did you.

meet Tamika and Tasha did okay yeah it's. me again tiny went to summer school. there one year right but not I mean I. met tiny through Tamika Scott okay and. so did you did anything about the school. change for you just like dang I mean. everybody knows who I am I got to be. different did you change. at school no I mean. I mean like at school I was. already kind of known okay okay I was. missed 10th grade. [Laughter].

but no but what I mean is like you know. it wasn't like I was unpopular I was. kind of popular right you know whenever. you can sing and you want all the talent. so you want all the talent shows so well. our group okay we used to sing and all. the stuff so people knew where we were. go back so when did the group form you. were in ninth grade in ninth grade ninth. grade in ninth grade when I was 14 years. old at first we were just like I was. just going over the house all the time. hanging out with them we were singing.

that church together and I used to. people used to say like y'all should be. a group or whatever and I was like come. on let's be a group. um but Tasha she was a senior right I. was a freshman okay okay and Tamika her. sister she was only in 10th Grade so. Tasha used to be like I'm gonna be in a. group wow right you know and we used to. always say to her but one day. um these ladies had like this audition. and my other friend tan had me with her. when I get their day there I.

and Tasha was just kind of like I guess. they had worked with these ones before. so that's how they got them to be there. but At first she had Tasha in an older. group meaning all the girls were like. seniors in high school right and then me. Tamika and my friend tan and one other. girl we was like ninth grade ninth tenth. grade okay so week is saying but we were. young right and um so the day we had an. audition for laface okay. um I think uh Bryant Reed L.A brother. yeah we were supposed to be singing for.

him and so the ladies made a last-minute. decision to take Tasha out the older. girls group and put her with me Tamika. and my friends okay. was there any jealousy once you be once. you you guys established the group was. there any jealousy in pyramids when you. go in the class did anything change. amongst my peers peers no. [Music]. only time I felt like they were some. real haters. okay so when we first came out you know.

we were like all about the baggy clothes. right we weren't like right Chrissy made. up girls right so. um anytime somebody like says something. negative about our parents or like the. comedians would get up I thought this. one comedian said on Apollo I remember. one time he was like you ever seen that. group escape they need to be captured. and I came to school and it was like a. couple people was like oh they just. thought that was just so funny yeah and. I was like yeah okay whatever we go we.

go find out yeah okay the group now Tia. TI's wife Tiny she auditioned for the. group you you guys have already got. three so you got the older sister the. younger sister and you and my friends. and your friend tan yeah. um tiny I mean Tamika asked um tiny to. come and audition for the group. she came we had her doing all kind of. stuff we had her doing flips splits. y'all doing too much now. I didn't know her at the time. to get the job well I kind of at the.

time I'm not even gonna lie I kind of. feel like um Tamika my friend saying. which is still one of my best friends to. this day they had an argument and then. all of a sudden she bringing somebody. new to try to audition for the group. right and so I was just kind of feeling. like. trying to replace my friend's Aunt you. know right right so I I you know we. ended up having five members for a while. okay yeah. yeah so what did she what did she sing. and when did you guys know like okay.

we got something here well no I don't. remember what she's saying but she sang. and she sounded great right and then she. could dance right tiny and dance yeah. she don't really do it as much anymore. but she could really dance okay so she. did her thing and you know you couldn't. hate on her and I don't know if a lot of. people know this tiny used to be like a. little kid actress right where you know. how you have those little um commercials. on Saturdays right when they throw the. paint that was her right she was the. little kid in the commercial that was. doing that stuff so she already had like. a little claim to fame right you know so.

look at you guys in the 90s okay so you. got En Vogue You Got TLC you got SWV you. got Escape Destiny Child a little uh. later and talk so. did you look at what they were doing and. said like what dang okay they doing that. well we need to do this or did you like. hey I mean this is our lane we're gonna. stay in our lane or did you we didn't. really have like an image right when we. first started out okay and we went. through like 100 different ideas of what. it should be and one time we was.

Atlanta's best kept secret. we were. um. of the sounds of touche because we. really had like this club right we was. in it was almost like a gang but okay. another reason why I say that is because. we used to go to the club together you. know how that is like if it goes down we. all going down you know but um so it was. the sounds of touche for a minute and. then. um you know we became Escape. um by us we have met Jermaine.

Jermaine Dupri yes. um so it was so so depth already. established then or had no okay no. no I'm working with with crisscross at. the time okay they weren't out yet right. okay but he had already you know done. some things he had had that but I don't. know if y'all remember the rap group. Silk times leather back in the day yeah. he had them before and he was working on. some things so our manager took us to. him and he was just kind of like oh. y'all know we sang to him on his night. 19th birthday okay and he was like y'all. know I'm gonna come back and sign y'all.

yeah. so we're even saying for Left Eye one. time because after they had came up and. blew up because we were like well you. know maybe she can help right. um but yeah it just never came around. until like a year later our group we had. performed on. um remember teen summer used to have. like a talent showcase yeah so we did. that um we're saying Hold On by invoke. Tasha she beatbox while we sang right.

song instead of playing the track right. and he was like oh y'all to get on in. Vogue I'm gonna sign y'all he came back. inside he did what he said after he blew. crisscross up he did come back inside. right how do you come up with the name. Escape Tasha came up with the name. Escape okay. um were you all in four were you all in. favor of it that's cool we was cool just. simply because like we had been through. a few names right nothing nothing stuck. okay so when she said it she was like. yeah we could be escaping from the. stereotypes of other girl group so it's. like okay okay that works yeah right so.

you have a hit just kicking it uh-huh. that blew you up that really that was. that the one that put you on the map. that you was like okay we've arrived. we're here yeah. yeah and it's really like took off right. which we. honest. um that we did not want that to be our. first single why not. well we didn't think it was strong. enough and it only everybody in like all.

of us like to sing lead or whatever. right but that particular song I was the. only one who really was singing on the. verses Tasha was ad living but it wasn't. showcasing everybody right so you know. we was kind of like you know this not. really. showcasing the group and really. showcasing like vocal votes right right. you know it's that laid-back Vibe you. know what I mean so we were like. um and he said this is it so we just. went with it you went with it and now. and who can I run to my little secret.

and understanding so you're doing all. these and obviously you're blowing up. not everybody knows and when they talk. about you know the girl girl lady group. the girl group back then SWV and you. hear in Vogue and you hear all these and. it's like Escape. so what are you thinking. what you mean like that we started. because now people are when they. mentioned SWV and they mentioned in. Vogue and they mentioned all these. others you right there well yeah I mean.

at the time back then we were just happy. to had opportunities right you know we. were just excited to be out there you. know I feel like there's a time. especially when you first come in the. game you just be like oh my God we're. doing it we doing it we we got a hit but. then somewhere it kind of turns to where. I think sometimes you take things for. granted okay yeah because you had. started off you had six context six. consecutive top ten hits all three. albums certified platinum and yo yo sold. over a million copies just kicking it.

spends 21 weeks on the Billboard Hot. 100. so when did it all of a sudden you start. well you know it's more than just you. know having fun good times and you start. talking about thinking about the. business aspect of it oh that's a good. question. um see that was the problem. the money. we learned a lot of things. on the job after the fact right so I. don't think anybody's deal their first. deal is going to be good right and I.

don't have any regrets about that just. simply because when you first trying to. get a deal you're first trying to get in. the door you who are you no you know. that you have to get there in order to. really be demanding it right so. um it wasn't a lot of money for the. first deal right. um but then. we were just going along with whatever. we were told to do as far as you know. our managers or the people that were in. place to tell us right because we didn't. really know right you know tiny and I we.

had we were underage when we signed the. deal so our mamas had to co-sign right. on the dotted line with us so like we. didn't really know but we had like a lot. of big learning lessons right we had one. accountant that stole from us I think. after the first tour I remember we. really didn't make that much money after. our first album but we felt like we was. doing shows every weekend right you know. and we were we were on a tour right and. we were doing separate shows on weekends. outside of the ones we were doing on the. tour so we like where the money at right.

and it wasn't that much money right uh. for like weeks and weeks of touring we. only like probably had like 30 000 a. piece or it was like I don't know it. wasn't like a lot of money you were. thinking hundreds of thousands of. dollars yes and then the um. then when we were sitting down with the. account I remember he was saying. um what's the word what they use what is. when it's like a line in the uh like a. line where it doesn't really have any.

miscellaneous okay yeah he was like yeah. this is for miscellaneous things it was. like 100 and some thousand hours what is. who is miscellaneously what did he do. is but then come to find out then all of. a sudden it was like two accountants. that were partners and one of them. disappeared right so I guess he. disappeared without money right and um. that was our first I feel big learning. list right yeah you mentioned you saw JD. signed you so what did you learn about.

how to write songs you know because I. don't were you writing songs at that. point in time before you uh I definitely. was writing like at home painting like. uh before we met him we always like. trying to learn how to write and stuff. like that and I remember you know. um different producers that I would go. and try to work with to tighten up my. melody games and stuff like that. um but working with Jermaine I. definitely would say I learned a lot. right you know just simply because. watching him write how he would take.

every day sayings or you know slang and. flip it and turn into a song that. everybody want to sing right you know. those things or the way he make the. verse going to the B section all those. little things he would do I was like. okay okay I got that right so I used to. I used to ask him all the time like let. me write let me write let me write and. they'd be like okay I'm gonna let y'all. write but when he did let us write it. would only be like a piece of a verse. here right or a little bit here a little.

bit there right and not to say that that. wasn't. um good enough but I think what it was. he was so used to at that time doing it. at all you're doing it all he was always. like the creative behind whatever. project he was working on so he really. wasn't used to giving up any control to. anybody so um I I just don't think he. really realized that what you were. capable of doing at that time right. so yes we do have credits on the songs.

but I always say for me especially now. that I'm a writer as well for a lot of. people I think it's the difference when. you the person that came up with the. concept the hook the melee for the verse. and then somebody that came in and put a. line or two on there right two different. it's two different things. work. I don't know if you you're going to. respond to this or you even you'll get. upset with me asking this and working. with Jermaine Dupri a relationship was. established.

maybe that's. so when people found out that you guys. were dating were they upset or did you. allow yourself like damn how did I. manage to get that is the funny thing. people did not know. it was not like we were. literally kicking it right you know what. I mean just kicking it if that would. have someone came from no.

no no that is not. that is funny. that she said no no no no actually we. had um we had completed two full albums. before we ever crossed that line okay so. I know it's like been put out there like. so many different rumors right then it. wasn't like it was something that. happened in the beginning you know how. you could be working with somebody and. over time you know flirtation yes you. know things happen or whatever so it. wasn't like.

um you know we were you know. honestly I felt like when you people. want to say like oh there was favorites. there was no favoritism did he show you. favoritism no well yeah. I felt like I was supposed to be getting. favoritism because honestly like for me. I don't I never want people to feel like. oh that's how I got on no right I was on. right and then it just happened okay. like to be clear you know what I mean. but um so the only people who actually.

knew. um as far as for me right like I'm not. saying whoever who he told okay yeah but. like I talked to Tiny right a lot and um. Tamika Scott right we were the three of. us were like you know the Three. Musketeers that we would you know share. secrets with each other right so. um you know I would talk to them about. it and they would know but not like I. wouldn't be like if we came in the room. you wouldn't even know anything was. going on do you feel women judge more.

harshly for dating in the industry than. a man. oh yeah I mean well I mean I feel like. it's however it's brought to the plate I. mean to the people right you know what I. mean so I think when it was said to the. world because like I said like it wasn't. like an open thing right right. um when it was said to the world it was. said like oh she was trying to you know. kick it with him to get on and it's just.

kind of like no that don't make sense we. could already did two albums I had. already been on leading on multiple. songs so no like don't try to make it. seem like it was that so I I feel like. people as a woman. it's we can definitely make the decision. of who we want to share ourselves with. correct right so it doesn't have to be. oh I'm trying to get put on I was on. right you know what I mean and I and I'm. very clear about that like I'm just very.

much like I'm about my business right. you know and you know you didn't like. the narrative that was being put out. about candy yeah I did not like that at. all and but because also the narrative. came later and it wasn't even just that. it was the other things that were said. along with it that really made it like. wait what so have you had a full. opportunity to set the record straight. is the record straightened out. as far as what transpired how I all went. about it's not like it was because you. know they're going to portray it was.

probably portrayed one way she did like. you said she did this to come up yada. yada yada and you like well hold on I. already got albums I had two albums what. you mean come up yeah I was no fledgling. I wasn't somebody that was unsigned. right well I never really felt like I. had to clear up anything about the. situation with Jermaine right I didn't. feel like I had to clear that up I mean. you know right. that it wasn't it it was um I mean I. don't know what other questions you got. to ask I don't want to be jumping far. ahead of you no go ahead go ahead but.

um basically you know obviously we. worked together during that time period. after our group has separated you know. after third album right and we have been. like not a group for a few years before. my group member got on the radio because. she was upset about some things oh she's. out of you yes but not just that she. added some more BS to it oh she put into. that thing and make it grow right well. oh man the negativity okay so the part. that I felt like for a long time wasn't.

clear and people try to run with she was. like oh candy you know was having sex. with your man and she tried to make it. seem like that was the reason why the. group broke up and that was not that was. the first thing and then the other thing. was y'all still friends yeah well we I. stopped talking to her for a decade but. we're friends okay okay we're friends. again but anyway but then the other part. was that she added to it was that she I. say yeah she destroyed his daddy or. something like that look that was way. over the top right and then I was like.

really like hurt and upset by the whole. situation because you know a long time. she and I had a great friendship and. then it's just like I I understand we're. no longer like working together like we. used to but why would you do that like. and but I never. tried to clear up publicly where she. said at that time but that rumor lingers. for years years and so that was what was.

frustrating for me it wasn't the part. about Jermaine it was the other part. because it's just like like dang I gotta. you gotta make it seem like I'm just. like out here going through the family. the hell you know I'm glad you said that. kid I didn't say that that's what she. said she put it out there let the record. but I mean we we cleared it up I guess. when we got back together and did that. um the first reality show that our group. had you know she cleared it up somewhat. then there are there's some other things. that I felt like were never said right.

that would have made it even more like. y'all be like what but I don't feel the. need to clear all those other things up. or to add any fuel to the fire I just. feel like you know when she basically. let it be known that. what she said wasn't true true then I. was like okay I'm just gonna let it go. yeah I'm gonna let it go so where were. you when you heard that did somebody. come to you that she had put your. business in the street no you know how I. heard it this is the craziest thing me.

and my friend Rashida okay the rapper. Rashida that's on Love and Hip Hop okay. yeah we was doing a project at the time. um it was we was working on something. and we were in the studio and a family. friend sent me the link while I was. sitting and I sat there and I listened. to it and what bothered me was. it was like a 18 minute long interview. wow and the whole 18 minutes she was. dogging me out. and I cried.

I was like whoa you know what I'm saying. it was very hurtful did you know she. felt had these feelings towards you. now I didn't know that I mean the thing. about it was I think like I said you. know it bothers you now are you tearing. up a little bit now oh yeah I mean that. really can we get some please can we get. some cleanups I mean it's not coming. down no but I'm just saying because it. hurts you because you in a group y'all. together we sisters right but now mind. you we were separate at the time so.

anyway what happened was at that time. Jermaine had just put out a book right. and in the book he barely talked about a. group you don't really say that much. about us but I think in there he said. some things about her sister getting the. big head or something and that's why the. group basically defeated themselves. right right because we didn't break up. because of a a album not that well. whatever but she didn't like what he. said about her sister.

I didn't say it but I always I am always. the one to catch the heat for some. reason right so anyway. that when that book came out like the. next day or you know within that period. of time she went on the radio to do the. interview calling herself clearing up. that it was not my sister the real. reason why the group broke up but now. she says why the real reason why the. group broke up but back then she was. defending you know her sister I guess. right but at the same time.

like. should be clear I am very serious about. like I said about my work my. accomplishment right I'm like a person. who likes accomplishments right right so. it's not always about the money but you. don't want people to shortchange your. account don't shortchange my. accomplishments exactly so that's I mean. it was everything she said was hurtful. obviously but it was just like I think. some of the things that. um the interviewers like so when she was. like yeah candy did this and she was.

like you mean candy the one who writing. all the songs well we all right doing. stuff like that I was like with that and. then it would be like well you're being. kidding and wrote this and then this I. mean. we all do that like it was just like. everything said or and it was just like. trying to make it seem like everything. that I had done had been because of a. man or because of somebody that I got. hooked up with or whatever which no. right. I go get the bag and if I decide right.

later on that we could hook up then we. can hook up but I'm gonna get that money. okay first I'm gonna get the bag first. I'm gonna make my credits first I'm. gonna do all that and then I did well. I'm married now so all that doesn't. matter okay okay now I'm saying back. when I was a single woman right right. okay okay I was very much so about you. know accomplishing on my goals and I. don't like for you you know to go back. to what you're saying about the way. people look at women in business when a.

man you know has say has a relationship. with somebody that he works with people. don't say oh well the only reason why he. made it there is because he got with a. girl right you know they are always. going to say that about the woman which. is so annoying I know that's annoying. you you mentioned that in the way I got. it wrote it wrote down here because uh I. don't want to be distasteful is that. escape you're at the top of your game. and you took a hiatus.

yeah we broke up wow. you know I I always felt like it was a. breakup the reason why I say it was. um. a Hiatus right because. um you want me to go through the hole. yeah hey you here I got you you're here. Okay so. we were you know doing really good. um first album second album or whatever. so now it's time to start making some. money now you say the first time to make. no money.

yeah we was trying to go get that bridge. yo got the third album okay so while we. were actually on a tour when we were. supposed to start these negotiations so. we was on our tour and we would start. hearing rumors on the tour that our. group member Tasha yeah was going solo. so basically she start you know. she had said it to some other people or. her team had been it was Whispers yeah. okay so we asked her about it like yo. like you're supposed to be going solo. you know and she's like well no but when.

I do go solo I'm gonna let y'all know it. was that type of Bible yes it was that. type of eye so it was like okay but once. again you have to understand the um. dynamics of our group growing up she was. the oldest right I'm the youngest we all. me and her always bump heads right okay. her sister always side of her and did. what she whatever the old herself to do. tiny kind of rides the fence most of the. time so it's like always it always felt. like them again by yourself so you're on. an island yeah all the time okay it was.

all the time and so but in this. situation. um it kind of felt like you know she was. separating herself a little bit right. okay you know and. um at that year I had just bought my. house so I'm 19 I had just got a house. now you know I still had payments though. right okay so we you know we supposed to. be negotiating and then it came back. that um. she had basically had an offer from a. label I guess because they had been. shopping the deal. within the Sony system because you have.

you had to stay with it okay and she had. an offer and so the the lawyer basically. was trying to say well she's not going. to do the third album unless y'all allow. her to do her solo project and that's. when it became an issue for us because. I'm like you know they won't that was. messing up our money right because we. trying to negotiate this big money and. they're like wait we don't even know if. y'all gonna stay together and all this. other kind of stuff they use that as an. opportunity. what we were worth right. sure so anyway.

um it really really became a problem I. remember the days that she came to sit. us down to talk about it. she gonna be mad at me for telling the. story but I'm gonna tell you tell it. tell it we had a break from the tour it. was like a two week break okay for that. week we went to change up our show okay. mid to me and Tiny we had rehearsals. with the choreographer Tasha and then. come to now one rehearsal until the. second to the last day uh-oh so she came. in there she didn't even try to learn. anything she said I'm just gonna watch.

and she was like hold up you're in the. group what you mean she said we ain't. doing that we ain't doing that and we. ain't doing that now mind you this is. what we would have put together all this. week she came in for him right she just. basically shut down everything we were. talking about doing and then she was. like um when we have when we finish this. rehearsal I want to talk to y'all. whatever so it's like okay so we already. and I have feelings because we like shut. down everything she wasn't even here. right. we go we sit down we sit in a circle and.

she says um y'all see the Indian style. no we're in it share chairs spare chairs. okay she was just like um. um oh I told y'all I was gonna let y'all. know whenever I decided to go solo well. I'm letting y'all know you know. um it's all about me right now so. um. hand oh no she said Tamika and Tiny. y'all can go have more babies and uh. candy you can do your little modeling. thing or whatever it is you want to do. but I'm gonna go solo because it's all.

about me right now. she put it at it like that yes and our. dumb asses was like sitting there like. like speechless right you know what I'm. saying and we I think she just kind of. so off guard with the way she said it it. was just so disrespectful now to be. honest down to to her credit it was. frustrating on the first album Tamika. got pregnant during as we were starting. to blow up right which became a big. issue right you know back then it wasn't.

popular to have albums out and you. pregnant right you know right but. because you know she did that on the. first album then tiny was like well it. ain't bad you know so she ended up. having a baby on the second half yeah so. so anyway but to her point you know I. guess that's why she felt that way right. okay okay if I'm gonna give her any pass. okay but to me I had got like this. opportunity to do this oh yeah they.

still use their hair color box to this. day um the optimum hair color box they. had me as one of the faces on the box. okay so she was like yeah yellow. modeling thing or whatever it is you. so anyway when she said that I was just. like. um I said I I sat there for a second. okay because I was caught up guard yeah. but then I got gathered my thighs and I. was like all right all right we'll just. do that without. she was like well I didn't mean that I.

was gonna do the album without you and. you know I was just saying y'all could. take a break while I did my thing now I. felt like. because we've had arguments in them. before where she would say you know. crazy stuff I just felt like if she does. leave and blow up she ain't coming back. no period no cause I was just like we. can't just be sitting around waiting. waiting so anyway what ended up. happening you know we start the three of. us talked and we was like come on we.

should just tell Jermaine let us do the. album let her do what she want to do let. us do the album whatever. we're getting ready to go today no we. were all on the same page right three of. us we get to the meeting. and Tiny love to tell the story and. Tamika shows up with Tasha and they got. these gray wigs on oh my goodness. and we was in delay we knew that was. about to be some. we supposed to be mean with Jermaine. right.

we go in there with your man and so. um Jermaine's like what's up you know. whatever and tamika's like well you know. can't you just let us wait on my sister. hold on give us the money so we can just. sit and wait on my sister to do her. thing. oh I was I. you went off there I think no I mean I I. didn't go off because basically at that. point you to made us look stupid in. front of our label head right here right.

you know what I'm saying because we'd. have told him we want to meet about go. ahead and do well you should have knew. something they came in with matching. wigs you should have knew something. was about to be some but anyway. at that point you know the conversation. was going ahead and doing that album was. just a mute point right and so what was. decided was. they um basically. we'll let Tasha know that you know she. could do a solo project but it would be.

after the third album and she was. supposed to do it with so so deaf and. not the other company that had gave her. an offer right. so um we went into our third album. knowing that the group was going on so. that's why I say that okay because she. didn't give us a complete answer of I'm. done right she just said like yeah I. want y'all to wait while yeah a little. project wow you know what I'm saying I. do I do get what you're saying okay. that's a long story I'm sorry it's all. good 19 years old the group splits up.

but it didn't split yes okay. yeah you took a break you paused it we. paused I guess after the third album so. it was I was 21 21 you get to First you. buy your first house you'll purchase I. mean 19 year old teenager 21 years old. not very many 21 year old 21 year olds. purchase a house so you're feeling good. like okay okay the group you know we. taking the high 80s but I gotta I'm good. I got some bread no no. what I told you was I bought my house I.

put it down payment on it let's be clear. it wouldn't pay it off right okay so I. did that when I was 19 before I knew we. was taking a Hiatus okay so when I found. out we was taking a Hiatus oh I was. panicking because I'm gonna go make the. papers now right because I've always has. been very much about my money and back. then I used to remember we used to have. checkbooks yeah yeah but I used to. balance my thing down to the penny right. okay so I knew exactly how much my bills. were whatever so when she started doing. all that I was like oh no like just.

saying what I'm gonna do so I was. stressing right you know. um I that's when I told tiny I'm like yo. she gonna do her thing me and you got it. we got to figure out what we're gonna do. so why don't we start working on another. project we should write and um you know. make demos and then you know show what. we would want our project to be like. let's not go and try to get a deal right. let's do songs and then take it to the. label be like yo this is right what we. can do so she and I started doing that.

but it was wow we were working on the. third hour right you know what I'm. saying right because my whole thing is. we know after this third album it's over. yeah we don't know what's happening so. that's how we end up starting writing. with different people and no scrubs came. about because it was a demo for tiny and. I. you wrote that y'all you wrote that song. right but you ended up giving it to CLC. you were disappointed with no. no you weren't disappointed no but I. mean to be clear me and Tiny had a whole.

bunch of hot records at the time okay. um. she and I we I mean I like the song. right but I always wanted to be a writer. and write for other artists but I didn't. know how to go about it okay and so when. somebody had um. uh sorry shout out to you uh he was. working with the label he had um he had. played it for. um LA Reid and he wanted the song for. TLC yeah I was just like okay let him. have it because our manager manager that.

we was working with at the time was like. yeah. like you but it's not as good as y'all. other songs. and I always felt like yeah I could. write another one right that's just how. I was I was like yeah I'll write another. one let them have that but when it blew. did you know it was gonna do that no it. was an Anthem now I didn't know it was. gonna do that but let's also remember I. feel like a song it goes to who is. supposed to go to okay and I feel like. TLC definitely took it to where it.

needed to go right I remember the day I. saw L.A read at this party he was like. I'm gonna make that song this song the. biggest song of your career I was like. yeah right because my Jew Escape we had. hit it's right so I'm like. like I wouldn't be a disrespectful in my. mind I was like yeah right right but he. went lying foreign. so what what gives you greater. satisfaction is it writing or was it. like Escape you actually singing the. vocals.

I think I'm full of it but I love both I. love being able to put a hit on another. artist right I feel like when I started. writing for other. artists that's when I really start. getting. a different type of respect amongst my. peers in the industry you know I feel. like say for instance all the record. labels come together for those different. conventions right and they may see you. and they'll be like oh hey how you doing. that girl from Escape whatever you know. whatever but when you that hot writer or. that hot producer that right hits for.

everybody everybody's trying candy it. used to be that girl from Escape but. then it became kane hey candy how are. you and it was people that I didn't even. think knew me like that okay they were. trying to connect and all I need you to. work on this for me and work on that so. it gave me a different type of like.

like what is this you know right but um. because like having the little five. percent here or whatever that it wasn't. the same as having like a good 50 well I. get you know 30 or whatever it is. of the song I'm looking at you bills. bills bills for Destiny Child uh just. Destiny's Child Joe hit If I Was Your. Man. I mean so now you just said about it. like man I I want to go back to no group. let me go write these songs.

I don't want no group oh my gosh it was. so it was a weird situation happened. so. I was uh yeah I was writing or whatever. and when it reminds you when I first. separated it wasn't just me Tasha was. still doing her thing right too at first. right. but then. while I was um. when my I guess you know during the. course of our album you know our. project's supposed to be coming out I.

don't know what happened to her project. I just saw the other day she tried to. imply like I stopped her project from. coming up yeah I was gonna ask you about. that but I was like I'm like girl how I. do that can you please tell her to ask. Jermaine Dupree why Alvin to come out. she was signing the so-so they've asked. him like I don't know why she'd be. trying to blame me right. anyway but. um yeah so for whatever reason I don't. know because I wasn't really keeping up. with what was going on with them right. after we kind of split right I just.

really started Just Do Your Own Thing. doing my own thing and I was just. grinding so. after my album hadn't come out yet right. but she whatever her out her deal. didn't go and go through or whatever is. going on so then all of a sudden she was. ready to come back oh no no no no no no. no no I was like oh no so they had a. meeting with me and I'll never forget. they was like um she was like yeah you. know I think it's time for the group to. come back and you know people want to. you know people won't Escape oh really.

because I was like. I was like did you say I don't want to. escape right now yeah I was like no I. really want to finish my project bro. like. no like I wanted you know I still want. to do my thing right and she they was. like yeah but you know right now it's. about Escape you know oh now it's about. Escape right. right okay now when she thought she was. trying to escape. so I was like yeah I don't know how to.

think on it yeah and then like I thought. about it no no no no. it was worse. about the time I left we had we had like. sat down with each other for like at. lunch or something okay conversation. by the time I made it to my house they. was calling me back and be like uh-uh. you need to give us the answer now what. yeah or you need to sign a leaving. member notice. so I was like in like a leaving member. notice basically it was just like. basically it allows the label which is.

officially saying that they they can do. it with just them without you right you. know what I mean right. um but they were like either you're. gonna do it now or you're just gonna. sign a limit member notice how they're. gonna tell you what you're gonna do. and they did I was like I was I really. was pissed about it because in my mind. I'm like well we didn't tell you that. right you know but at the same time you. know they were coming the way they came. at me I was like you know what. this is I need to just just say okay.

I just said okay cool I'll sign it and I. did why'd you say that's some bull Jazz. you should have said because it had been. so many years of our group we we just we. do this vote right right it's the you. know we have a voting system okay so if. you automatically know you're gonna have. two people sticking together yeah and. then if they get in tiny ear you know. you got three against one every time I. voted I'm always on the losing you see. what I'm saying and so at that point I.

just was like. and I was just tired I was just like you. know what. okay. so I did but at that point it really. piped me up to be like okay I really. gotta go get this bread right because. now I've you know basically said okay to. letting them do what they want to do. letting them have it or whatever and um. yeah so that's why after that the. conversation the time they they came. back a few more times after that point.

saying oh let's do it again but at that. point I was like nah yeah. and in mind you our group we do not have. great communication right I give them uh. you know to everybody's. point but I thought women I thought. women were great communicating no no I'm. not oh so they've been lying to me huh. tell me I'm a poor Communicator I'm. horrible like I I I get into myself and. I just be like yeah okay cool I just. I'll just move on we ain't even gotta.

talk about nothing like I'm terrible. like that I'm terrible you shut it down. use your clothes off yeah I'm very I. guess you know I do have like a a dude. side. um I've heard that. but yeah I definitely will be like okay. cool and keep it pushing when you when. you wrote bills uh for Destiny's Child. well actually for uh Beyonce when you. see her in the studio did you know she. was going to become B.

you forget Beyond I don't definitely. refer to it to be honest they go about. she's beat now did you know she was. gonna be that I. had to be great right. not pretty evident that her dad really. was gonna set her up to be so low one. day. um but. she her work and her drive. is serious you know um she at that age. you know she's younger than me she was a.

couple years younger than me a few years. ago I don't know a few years younger. than me and um she just you know she she. knew what she wanted right like as soon. as we in the studio we playing the. tracks and she was just like I remember. um Shakespeare who did the music right. he had walked out of the room and I. heard the girls talking and she was like. look if we don't really like it we need. to just let them know because we don't. need right and I said I was like well do. y'all mind if I sing you the idea that I. have before y'all make your decision and. it was like okay you know whatever and.

then um that was when Bugaboo right he. was playing Bugaboo and if at that time. people weren't really singing over rap. tracks over those high energy tracks. like that right so I had sang the um. Melody that I had for the verse and the. um concept for the hook or whatever and. they were like okay oh we like it or. whatever and so then we started doing. things but she was very instrumental of. how it should be vocal produced or oh.

this person oh you go in and sing this. part I'm gonna sing this part like she. very much knew and when we weren't in. the studio. they had to go and do shows so they. worked every single day of the week at. and it was only like what 17 right you. know what I mean 18 or something like. that so I was like the drive was crazy. because I mean mind you you singing. every single every single weekend like. three four days a week right and then. you going in the studio the other days.

of the week they never had a day off. right so so you've worked with some of. the biggest I mean uh obviously TLC and. Beyonce and Whitney and Mariah Nsync and. Usher Monica Alicia Keys Joe but I mean. so what is it did do you get nervous. sometimes yeah even that's all I was. nervous for sure with um Mariah Carey. okay. um we wrote that song together over the. telephone. right she decided that she wanted to. work with Shakespeare and I but I think.

she was out of the country working on. her album and we were here we were in. the states working with other artists. right so she was just like okay well he. centered the track and then she would be. like okay what you come up with and I'll. sing her the idea that I had or the. melody and then she'd be like okay we're. gonna change that word or change this. word and then she'd be like okay I gotta. go back into here I'll call you back and. then she'll call back after what was the. song that you got it's called. ex-girlfriend okay. um but it was interesting right I never.

have done a session like that supposedly. because like I like actually being you. like to be there and yeah I like to be. there with the person especially if. we're gonna collaborate writing right. but um yeah it was it was an experience. who haven't you worked with that you. would like to work with Rihanna. I mean I think she she great at picking. hits right meaning. you know the consistency of her albums. right she has to be saying like have a.

good ear to say okay that's right no. that's for me or that's for me right. like so. I just feel like it's gonna be dope all. right me and you both I would like to. work have around in that chair too so I. guess. don't be trying to replace me. distinction you the first yeah exactly. that would be there might be 15 20 30. women come after but you're the first. so when I'm looking at you you're the. first woman African-American woman to. win the ASCA yeah in the genre.

so when you when you get this they say. well uh candy you're the first. and you said I like being first yeah but. I think that was the that that hit. different that was the first time that. it really. um stood out to me because you know I. didn't really think about it until I got. there that day when it was and it was. like oh my god do you know what this. means and I really didn't know what the. man what it meant until I like went back. and I started looking in history like. most of the time every single songwriter.

of the year is a man right and then for. me it really meant something because I'm. like okay you know what I am in a. male-dominated industry and it's time to. kick the door open for my sisters to. come through you know what I mean. because obviously they didn't see that. being the norm right. um that's what because I hear you you. always talk about that bread in that bag. and you say when you write the song and. wrote them checks them checks real nice. they hit different huh. so.

and now you have the reality show escape. the group with FWB how did that come. about. okay so. after we did the verses okay I guess. Mona Scott young she decided that you. know there's was more that we should do. together because they got a lot of great. reactions right reverses whatever. um and so she came back with this idea. for us to do the show with um SWV I.

think everybody was a little bit. apprehensive at first and um for. different reasons right. um I know for me. I just kind of felt like our group it. was a lot of tension after the first. time we did the first reality show okay. and I didn't know if we can handle it. again I didn't know if I can handle it. again right because with the detention. stem from. it was a lot of me and Tasha. um bumping heads still.

on the first reality yeah this reality. this time I think it's the Two Sisters. bumping it okay you know I mean of. course this I'm still I still have some. issues in there but so far from what I. see because I haven't seen what the rest. of what they're showing right. um it's a lot going on within the family. right. I mean uh Ed Sheeran sample shape of you. and so when somebody comes to you in. samples. it's a blessing.

it is so crazy but. um no scrubs did he call you. okay so what happened was. they did Reach Out initially when he had. first did the song okay. um they sent the song and said that they. want to work out the percentage of what. he was gonna pay for the split right for. using. the melody or whatever. so we had talked but then we didn't hear. nothing else from him right so in my.

mind I thought okay he's just not gonna. use it right or whatever but then the. song came out it was on the radio and. people were like doing their No Scrubs. and shape of you mashups online right. and we was like oh okay what if we need. to have a conversation right about what. is the split's about to be right and um. it wasn't you know they didn't try to. you know go back and forth about it they. just was like okay you know yeah you. threw out of hot you always start high. start real high.

I think we did we were reasonable. because honestly you know what we you. know of course it's a little bit more. than what we initially was gonna do it. for because release the song before work. yeah that's what I'm saying because now. you gotta move a barrel but we didn't. like go crazy okay yeah because you know. he might want to sample something else. of yours and come back and see you again. huh what I mean it'll be nice. but we um I've had a lot of people.

um sample that song. um it's a few people that are it's. another song that's about to come out in. the next week or two wow yeah so who. would you say is the go female. songwriter. a goat female oh my friend Esther Dean. okay oh she's a goat for sure okay. um. but Diane Warren is the God of all goats. okay. foreigners where you put Missy oh for. sure though let me put these up there. too that's my girl I love her too.

so before we go into anything else I. want to know how did you get involved. with the Real Housewives of Atlanta who. brought that to you and you say you know. what that sounds like a good idea. that is funny I didn't think it was a. good idea. so I had watched the first season right. I thought it was good or whatever but I. didn't see myself being on there right. and um. so just out of the blue um tiny she was.

trying to work on a TV show idea right. and so she reached out to me and she had. introduced me to Toya okay. um. um and she introduced me to uh another. young lady whatever and they all had. celebrity relationships okay okay but. Tamika wanted me to be involved in the. show too so they were trying to do like. a talk show of source back right so I. was like okay oh and it sounded like a. great idea if you started working on it. and then it was like maybe we could do a. reality show but the producer of the.

show. oh while we were in the midst of trying. to put it together and Shop the show. um Derek J he's a friend of my hair. stylist in Atlanta people seeing him on. TV before he was like Hey you know. um Housewives they looking for somebody. new. yeah he was like I think they need. somebody with their own money. he said that I was like oh I'm already. working on the show he was like yeah but. I'm gonna tell him to call you anyway. because they need somebody with their. own money. uh okay whatever I was really just.

focused on the thing with tiny but then. the producer of that show decided he. didn't want to use me. everything happens for a reason. so I was like okay cool and that ended. up being the tiny and Toya show right. remember back now yes. um but then. um so the week after I found out I. wasn't gonna be involved right. um Housewives caught me. and you said. I was like all right I'll try it it'll.

be something fun to do I was like I. didn't think I was I was like he'll be. something to do for a year I guess. but I mean you're the OG housewife now. now I never thought that was gonna be. yeah I didn't think so either. you know what I see you doubt me a lot. I don't know about you. yeah but you said you're not. confrontational but you don't back down. for confrontation no no no no no no no. no no no no I said I don't like to do a. lot of talking okay that's what I. thought oh you're trying to spoil you.

try to squabble no I'm just very much. like I can go from being like real laid. back and calm you go zero to 100 yeah. like I I can't it's like that middle way. I it doesn't last I'm trying to keep it. too much I'd be like look now the next. thing I know. so I mean but. the portrayal and you've heard all this. I'm not breaking I'm not this is not. earth shattering news I'm not. interrupting a normally scheduled. programming they say the Real Housewives.

of Atlanta and and they're they're. others especially when black women are. involved is not the most positive. portrayal of black women what do you say. to that. that's the funny thing before I when I. was trying to figure out was I gonna if. I was gonna do the show. um there were some group of women. sitting around and they were like you. should do that show it's not a good uh. representation of black women and all. this other kind of stuff and I said well. if you think. that that's not a good representation of. black women but you think I am then why.

wouldn't you want me to be on it right. you know what I mean so overall I think. that we as black people we are. we are the most we criticize we're both. critical of ourselves yeah yeah we we're. the most critical the criticize. ourselves more than anybody yes and um. and when I look at all the franchises. yeah not just Housewives of Atlanta all. of them kind of portray a certain. stereotype without trying right so say. for instance like the New Jersey. Housewives the Italian one right what's.

the stereotype of Italian they say they. hot-headed right you know and then. everybody know they was flipping tables. they were doing all this stuff family. brawls you know yes nobody nobody. Italian or Caucasian says oh they're a. bad representation of us you know what I. mean but we however no matter how much. we're showing of accomplishments and. other things that we have going on. anytime we have the negative arguing or. whatever people always seem to want to. say oh they're not a good representation. of black women but what I will say is.

over the years we have shown people that. yes. we as black women we do have our. arguments we are a little spicy you know. and all of that but we do show our. families and the love that we have our. family we show you success stories. um and we show you how you know. sometimes things ain't easy but we make. it through and I and I feel like hey.

if it's not you know if you don't like. it then maybe it's just not for you but. you were able to Parlay that you have a. very successful the candy coder you have. a recipe a restaurant tour now how have. Real Housewives of Atlanta helped you in. other area or other avenues. oh it's it's been helpful in every area. I didn't think it was going to be when I. first did it I was like I've been on TV. before like what's that gonna be do for. me but the Bravo verse the Bravo. Universe right our fans for Bravo they.

go hard for us so they're very. supportive you know they come out to all. your events that you know whatever so I. always look at the show is really like. your own infomercial right and whatever. you want the world to see that you're. doing yeah they're gonna see your drama. right but they really need to see you. accomplish the things you want right. because people will support it right you. know and so that's just the way I go. into it yeah because you're still the. highest rated uh uh over a million views. per episode the highest rated of any. franchise still as long as you guys been. on the air you still have the support.

oh we definitely got the support I mean. TV numbers aren't what they used to be. but I mean you know how they always be. doing the demo is this and you're still. doing whatever it's still doing what. it's supposed to be. how about this. what's your relationship with Nene now. I guess it records the last couple times. I saw her she was cool I mean we. that means you're cordially invited I. mean like we don't keep in contact okay.

but you know I the last couple times. we've seen each other we spoke we. definitely go through our ups and downs. stuff what about Marlo. all right now I'm not really feeling it. I am cordial. we just finished season 15 and you will. see why I'm not feeling her when it. comes out oh man come on what I thought. y'all was go oh I'm I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna have to tune into this because. I want to see. progression and hopefully y'all make.

amends you know we made amends sometimes. but she keeps going back to the. and I can't you can't deal with that. um it's just it just was a lot to me. this time around right I mean I can't. tell you now because no no you're good. you good yeah but. do you hate I mean it's been reported. you make x amount of dollars I ain't. gonna say it but do you hate when people. leak your information personal. information. I don't think those people know what. they're talking about they're just. throwing numbers out yeah because I'll.

be seeing some of the numbers that they. say people's net worth and stuff and. they don't never be right right and I'm. like how do they come up with this. number right who is the person that's. saying or leaking the salaries right. just like when they want to say who's. making the most money or at half the. time they used to be trying to say what. I meant I was like. you know I'm like people you know and. then people run with it they really. think it's real I'm like where do you do. you first of all I'm not telling anybody.

my salary right and I know Bravo isn't. right so where you getting that from. right. being in the business that you've been. in for a long period of time how hard. was it for you to find a mate before you. found and we'll talk about Todd in a. minute before you were able to find. someone like okay. this is what I do he's gonna be okay I. make x amount of dollars I'm probably. making more than him and he gonna feel. some type of way that I don't really. need him. um.

and see the thing is especially when you. are a successful woman right right it is. kind of tough in the dating world just. because like if you date a guy who has a. lot of money typically men who make a. lot of money they want you to set up a. cater to them be abundance every day all. day yeah whatever so when you don't have. that type of time it may cause issues or. whatever right. um so. yeah I I just I I didn't stay in a lot. of relationships too long.

but what about so a woman that makes a. lot of money does she not want to be. catered to we definitely do well what if. he ain't got that kind of time. what you mean see you said okay you make. your own money you make some you meet. somebody has more money than you you say. men like to be catered to no no no no. what I'm saying like say for instance. um and I'm not saying that like I. wouldn't be willing to cater meaning. like cook or yeah like I'm not talking. about those things I'm talking about the. type of time yeah like I always use this.

example A lot of times when a woman is. in a relationship with the man I've seen. a lot of women like say friends we've. been making love all night and. everything good when a woman get up in. the morning she's like oh baby I'm just. gonna call in sick I'm gonna lay up on. it you know I don't want to go nowhere. I'm gonna sit right here with you if uh. turn it around if a man has that same. situation when he wake up he can tell. baby I'll be right back I'm gonna get. the bag I'll be right back right it's. like it's not always. reciprocated meaning.

a lot of guys that's when cheating comes. into play or whatever oh you don't have. enough time for me yeah you don't have. this you know so I dated. you know and different all different. types of you know men as far as levels. of success right you know what I mean. but I just feel like it's hard. and like I said if you you know in it. when it comes to being fully committed.

to each other when both of you are. focused on your own thing right it works. well like for me with my husband and I. you know we work on a lot of things. together right so it brings us together. right you know. your husband. you meet him he was working on the show. did was it eye contact was it Love at. First Sight Wendy I mean when did you. know like okay yeah right but you know. what happened I could see me kissing on.

it uh well the funny thing is I did not. know him at first he was behind the. scenes right or whatever and. um a friend of mine well actually Don. Juan was like he saw that came to set. one day and he was they had a. conversation he was like oh that child. he's a cool guy whatever and then. somebody else was like oh yeah you know. he's super super cool that's the second. person yeah okay. so anyway I was in Africa and um a.

friend of mine was a producer on the. show she was like uh I know somebody who. want to take you out and I was like who. she said Todd is it Todd that's just. Todd again so I was like okay tomorrow. I'm gonna find out who Todd is right and. I saw him. um and then he didn't say nothing to me. right he was just like walk right past. me so I was like I saw her I was like I. thought you said right. right and she was like well I don't know.

why you didn't say anything but he. definitely said that right but then. later on we ended up having a. conversation and we hit it off and. um he kissed me what just happened yeah. like we had it we have been talking all. night right and he just went in and. kissed me and I was like cut off guard. right because you know some guys you. know they don't want to be so forward. forward right but uh I like. oh.

he's not intimidating you know whatever. yeah okay but he but he messed it up. give him a hitch you're supposed to go. you know you go 70 then she come 30. you. don't go all the way to 100 Todd now he. went away I actually like it you know. what I'm saying kind of a 100 type. anyway. so I was like right and um so when we. went back to came back to the States you. know we you know started hanging out and. went out but. he really wasn't supposed to be dating.

me no because he was working on the show. and that's absolutely yeah so we were. dating in secret at first and then after. a while I was like okay I can't be doing. all this time yeah yeah I'm too old for. this you know so. um you know he made the decision to. leave the show wow. wow that man gave a big career for you. that's what everybody says like his. friends was like they don't do it yeah. you should do it but see here's the. thing I mean we were only dating like. six months at that time but I felt like.

we had a strong connection the thing. that I loved about Todd is he. he knew things that I didn't know. meaning like you know business-wise and. stuff like that and it's just connected. on things we want to do in life and all. that stuff and I just was kind of like. he was making good money in the show I. know everybody's tried to like play him. like oh you know he made he doesn't make. what I make right but he making money. yeah he behind the camera he shouldn't. make when you go back it wasn't even a.

cameraman he was he was the producer. [Laughter]. anyway she. um but yes I was just like yeah he knew. things that I was like so basically I. just told him I was like man we can make. that money right like us coming together. like we can make the money that you over. there and I feel like sometimes when.

people have a comfortable situation. right. they'd be like okay I don't know if I. step all the way out on Facebook for you. because I don't know if this is gonna be. like and I'm like dude we could do this. right you know so we had um put together. this event like a couple weeks after he. stopped working with them and we had. made a nice bag right you know what I. mean we both put our minds doing you. know our team we put it together and I.

you know not to say I must be mad but he. was like oh yeah we could keep this like. we just keep running it up right yeah so. he wasn't you say the key to marriage is. communication you say you're not the. greatest Communicator he's a better. Communicator than me so that means but. you worked to communicate yeah I have to. meaning because. uh like oh hey I'm Different in a sense. of like okay I know how to work my. battles with my husband right first of. all we don't really argue that much. right but.

he's a Leo and he likes to have his way. all the time yeah yeah but I mean I. guess maybe because I've been in a group. I kind of know how to pick and choose my. battles okay right yeah so for the most. part I let him have his way you know and. he's making fake so. well for the most part right if it's. anything that I feel super strong about. that's when it has to be a conversation. and sometimes that can get uncomfortable. right okay you know but um the arguments. don't last right we don't like stay in.

it whatever how do you keep the outside. noise because that's that's the. relationship especially you do you know. your uh reality television show but the. outside noise the how do you how do you. keep that at Bay. it's been really good in not caring what. other people think okay like if I care. what other people thought about me and I. would have been like left behind a long. time ago right so I don't really care. about other people's opinions like well. I like what I like I want what I want. and I make that work. you know you know what I mean in your.

show you have kids not be a cigarette I. mean so how how was that because being. reality television you have your life. play out in front of everybody as. opposed to you seem like you're a very. private person where you were a very. private person back in the day. now you because now you give up the. Privacy you give up the anonymity to. have your life play out on television. yeah how is that for you. uh well you know it's something you get. used to over time right you know so now. obviously this is my 14th season so now.

I'm just it's just part of what it is. but um even with making decisions like. you know when we have fertility when I. have fertility issues right doing IVF. and including the world and that. experience I know that I'm the only one. that's dealing with me so it helps other. people right to see me go through that. process or even when we decide to do the. surrogate on our lash out Blaze right. um you know we did we still included the. world in what was happening yeah I know.

a lot of people have opinions right but. it helps a lot of people yeah so because. you know a lot of times you like. people's like well rich people haven't. they don't have any problems they don't. have pregnancy issues they don't have. this they don't have that they think. because they think money solves. everything right it's just that you have. the situation you have the means to. probably help solve some of those but. you still have those issues right of. course. um you know it was it we do have lots of.

problems people be thinking everything. goes or works for me and it just doesn't. right you know what I mean but it's just. that I just keep pushing so you. constantly seeing something come. together so you just you don't really. see all the things that didn't go right. when I raising kids on television. if that's something that you thought you. would ever do because if I'm not. mistaken you had a daughter. when you first started yeah and you. didn't you know you tried to play it. cool you didn't put on a whole lot but. she was she was on my daughter is she's.

20 now right so she kind of grew up on. television right it's funny people feel. like they know right right but she was. only like six then and you know I'm a. single mom right. um so yeah a lot of people have been. privy to the drama within that situation. um and yeah that was kind of tough. dealing with that right on um television. so sure you have no regrets about you. know having to deal with that publicly. because like sometimes you like to deal.

with things especially family I like to. deal with family behind closed doors I. don't want people to see that me and. family bickering oh the well it's the. problem is it's like. some of the stuff I didn't really have a. say in right. like something like when you're a. reality TV sometimes they like to. surprise you with some stuff right like. surprise here goes your daughter's daddy. is like what okay. [Music].

um so yeah sometimes certain situations. I wish I didn't have to deal with on TV. but it's part of what I what I am doing. right. is your mom and Todd good now because. ah combo. they are not horrible now but um I think. what would the hold up with your mom and. Todd.

my mom. you don't think anybody's good enough. for a daughter no my mom okay my mom's. old school right yeah and I mean I. honestly I think she would you know she. would prefer that I had married somebody. who had more money than me. well damn. what she want you to be a Rockefeller or. a professional athlete I'll be what I. mean probably I don't know I mean it's. that old school mentality you know what. I mean and. um. I ain't nothing wrong with that no no.

you know I'm not saying anything if you. love who you love you love who you love. and then on top of that I just kind of. feel like. she didn't see the value in my husband. right meaning that yeah you know how. like the Neo song I mean I'm a movement. by myself wait I'm gonna move it by. myself but I'm a force when we're. together right that's how I feel about. me inside okay like yeah I was making. moves before Todd and I got together but. we're a force together right okay it's. leveled up even more right you know what.

I mean and I don't think that he gets. the credit or the respect of what he. brings to the table because you were so. successful before he got there yeah. and I don't think that's fair and. obviously that can be frustrating to him. right and I think you know the situation. with my mom and him was like over the. years she said a lot of stuff right you. know she feel like we come from a big. family and everybody will talk crazy. right you know what I mean but um they.

feel like you're just supposed to get. over it right and I think he's at the. point where he's tired of just being. getting over it yeah yeah how about you. stop saying some of that stuff and then. before I would have to get over. yeah that's kind of where they are right. now okay. um. what did this. bedroom candy yes. bedroom candies I mean that's my adult. adult toy line yeah I know I know. exactly what it is but I'm saying how. did you like you know what I think.

people they do I mean they they using. toys they buying toys they might as well. buy from candy yeah well I agree. I know the good ones and I have the. great ones yes um yeah no but how did. you come up with that I want to know how. well I was I was doing this show online. called candy coated nights yes and we. it's a sex and relationship conversation. okay and that was before everybody. started doing it now now everybody's. talking about sex online but we was. doing it way back 15 years ago right so.

anyway. um we had a big following for it and I. just was kind of like trying to figure. out like what it has to be like a. product or something that I can ride. along with this and a friend of mine was. like you should be your own sex toy and. I. was a woman who enjoyed sex toys so I. was kind of like hmm. the interesting idea I like that idea. but the thing about it was you know. because it's a stick it used to be a. stigma attached to it like only porn.

stars used to be promoting yeah whatever. um and you know like people be scared to. go to the toy shop yeah they don't want. nobody to see them with the Box you know. all that stuff yeah wait about nine. o'clock 10 30. I don't know anything. about that but you're waiting late yeah. exactly exactly so I wanted to change. that right and um yeah because a lot of. women do not have not experienced an. actual orgasm from just penetration or. whatever so women really need to know. their own bodies and know how to express.

like what they like what they don't like. and all that stuff so yeah girl you need. to get you a little toy you need to. figure it out and you can share that. with your significant other than y'all. can make it do what it do CJ we're gonna. be able to stay on there off of this. and you could cut it out wiggle cut it. wiggle. um on a restaurant several several. restaurants right yep. unfortunately there was a shooting. involved at one of your restaurants. um were you there that night or you got. the call No I um I definitely got the.

call. um my cousin um he had got a shot but it. was it was outside the restaurant it was. during the day actually. it was during the day right yeah. um it was yeah it was very upsetting. right to say the least so. 14 years on Real Housewives you got the. the new reality show Escape SWV you got. so many other projects. five ten years from now what can we. expect from Candy.

froggle I'll tell everybody you know I. really want to achieve egot status so me. and Emmy Grammy Oscar Tony well I have a. Grammy okay uh right now working on that. Tony okay you know this is my second. Broadway show I produce the piano lesson. okay. um so I'm hoping that they recognize it. in this coming Tony season okay. um but yeah like I'm just gonna continue. to build things right now I'm a. developing uh another girl group like. the younger group okay hopefully make.

them help them get to their dreams right. um I to continue building the Empire. with my family and he's letting my kids. you know helping them take it to the. next level. um. takeover it's a candy takeover candy. takeover yes thank you being the first. female young lady to sit down on Club. Shay thank you for the opportunity for. me to sit across from you and ask you. questions Don Juan I appreciate you.

um making this happen candy thank you. thanks for having me. wanna slice got the roll of dice that's. why all my life I've been grinding all. my life all my life been running all my. life. also pay the price wanna slice got to. roll a dice that's why all my life I've. been grinding all my life.

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