JaVale McGee and Pamela McGee FULL EPISODE | EP. 36 | CLUB SHAY SHAY S2

you're a very protective mom and there's. this situation. with shocked and a fool. this was really the first time i've ever. heard you talk and step out when mom. step out publicly oh there's a problem. jebel didn't grow up in the hood i grew. up in the hood hood right and so after. that whole experience you know shaq got. his his ghetto card involved all my life. been grinding all my life. sacrifice hustle pay the price. wanna slice got the roll of dice that's.

why all my life i've been grinding all. my life look all my life been running. all my life. sacrifice plus i'll pay the price. wanna slice got to roll the dice that's. why all my life i've been grinding all. my life. hello welcome to another edition of club. shay shay i am your host shannon sharp. i'm also the proprietor club shay shea. and for the very first time we have a. lady stopping by for conversation and a. drink but she's not alone she brought. her son. today on the show we have pamela and.

javale mcgee. how you doing guys. good good good good pamela how was that. introduction. it was good you said pamela and jabel. and she nowadays it's javelina it's uh. javale and javel's mama. how about let me let me go let me go. back let me go give give you a proper. introduction. i'm here with trojan legend she's a. two-time she's a back-to-back ncaa champ. she's a basketball hall of famer she was. a part of the team that got it started.

for the women winning the gold medal in. the olympics in basketball. they are the first mother and son duo to. play professional basketball she also. had a daughter that played the wnba so. she had a son and a daughter to play. play professionally they're the first. american mother and son duo to win an. olympic gold medal is that better. much better did i leave anything out is. there anything i should add anything i. should add. oh you forgot hall of famer yeah i got. hall of fame i put that into that was. second i probably should have put that.

in the first huh. and i can't i can't forget your son i. can't forget. pamela mcgee's son javale mcgee. three-time nba champ grammy nominated. producer and a part of the 2020 olympic. i guess you call them a dream team. everybody we send now to the olympics of. the dream team gold medalist javel mcgee. javale how you doing brother doing good. man doing real good. pamela when you see your son and what. he's been able to accomplish. how proud of you are you how proud of. him are you.

um javale i mean i i don't know if i'm. more proud of his olympic gold medal. than my own okay he just i just really. just admire him from afar his resiliency. and i just love that he just keeps going. and the resiliency that he exemplifies. that's what i admire that him as a man. obviously growing up you were a tall. tall lady. javale obviously he was we're gonna get.

into his stats when he was born but as. he's growing up did you think he was. gonna did you know he was gonna be a. professional basketball player or he was. like now he only got two choices he's. gonna be a volleyball player or a. basketball player his mom plays so i. think there's a very good chance he's. gonna be an nba player. well to be honest with you he'll tell. you i told him nah bro i don't see it he. really didn't turn around. no it's we argued all the time and i was. like. nah you want to get paid to play that's. another level i don't see it.

javaya how did you play one-on-one. against your mom uh yeah we used to play. back in the day um how old were you. before you could beat her uh probably. like 14 15. but it was like certain. rules to that. game that not. like okay available jump shots or.

something so shannon yeah so shane he's. one of those people if you if he beats. you. you can he'll never let you live it down. chess. we play checkers we play monopoly we was. like a family to always play games okay. and that fish everything is competitive. and if he beats you he'll never let you. live it down like when he turned 18 he. was like you know i'm a grown man right. yo yo you know you're talking to a grown. man. you know you're talking to a grown man. so i was like anything with him he just.

gonna ride it so i was like if he beats. me. you know i got to make sure i try to win. so the rules was that the first person. to three he has to stay outside the. three-point line and i don't have to. take it back so literally i could just. rebound and put the ball back up and i. said he'll miss and i'll score right but. this is when i kind of like came on and. i said okay he might have a shot so he. was behind the three-point line he shot. the ball he missed i got the rebound. he took one stride and pinned the ball.

on the top of the square. and then he said you didn't say i. couldn't go 10 and i was like oh yeah. it's a rap now. when you hear people say you're the. first american duo. american to win a gold medal you're the. first to have you know mother son to. play professional basketball what does. that accomplishment mean to you pamela. what does it mean to you javale you. first pamela. well shannon you know being an. african-american female. uh just in every i was you know first.

the first black people to be integrated. into white school bus and all that stuff. my high school was like you know half. and half. you know which are predominantly what we. call pwi predominantly white. institutions so. i've always been the first first person. to graduate from college in my family. you know my mother set a standard and. she always said you know you're going to. be tall do what you do when you walk in. the room. so everybody's going to look at you. anyway you're already standing there let. them know that you're there.

so my gran my mother was like she had a. lot of swag she was also 16. and so i. passed that on to my kids i never told. them i said look you might be seven foot. you know you always be different but. everybody want to be you you the top of. the food chain put your shoulders back. in your head up. jerrell. um. can you say the questions again. what does it mean when you hear where. you're the first american duo mother son. to win gold medal you're the first she. played professional basketball you.

played your sister played what does that. mean to you um i feel like it means a. lot especially for the mcgee legacy. right i feel like uh. when you're a kid you don't really think. about what what does my name mean and. what is it going to mean when i get. older okay and what is going to be a. legacy but from what my mother started. um it was just trinkling down to all of. us my sister made it to the wnba i made. it to the nba she was uh in the she was. drafted the in in the first wnba number. two overall at 34. at 34. so just.

thinking about that and then also seeing. my mother at 34 be drafted second. overall league is just like. we can really do this for a long time. and stay consistent and efficient at the. same time so it's just really it was. really inspirational just her from the. jump and then me just trying to uh drag. onto those coattails and just grow onto. it and add more to the legacy right. pamela as i mentioned you were the first. in 1984 i think that was the first uh. you guys won the gold medal that year so.

you really started it really started. with you guys. what do you remember about 1984 what do. you remember about obviously it was here. you went to usc because and. so what do you remember about that. i was telling jabel i said this is kind. of surreal because. when i played in the 84 olympics it was. just a powerful year we won the. championship the championship the wm the. nc2a was in poly pavilion and then i. graduated that that may and then we. played the olympic gold in um the forum.

the los angeles farmer my mom had to. come out so i was just i've just been. really excited about the experience i've. always been the first and i always felt. when i saw lucia harris she was 6'3 and. she was an african-american who played. on the earlier team. and i said when i was 12 years old i. want to play in the olympics because i. saw somebody that looked like me right. javale you go to the olympics. was there any doubt you lose two. exhibitions and i know people say it's. just exhibition but we started.

basketball and you never want to lose. and then you get over to the olympics. and you lose in the first game to france. but was there any doubt in your mind. that you guys were gonna bring the gold. medal home uh no not not one doubt at. all um obviously guys in that uh in. those exhibition games they lost a. couple games and then the world tried to. turn on turn on their own country on. their own guys saying that they don't. believe that they can do it they're not. as good as this not as good as that and. then we lost that first game but i don't. think the world really knew how.

the olympics works i think they were. just like oh no they lost that first. game it's over it's not going to work. out but obviously you gotta win out. after that right um but we from from the. jump when we lost that game we were like. okay. we lost it whatever but we know who we. are we know who we have on our team. right and we know we can do and we're. we're the best people and we're the best. players in the world so there was no. sweat on anybody's bride from coach to. player. draymond and kd didn't have a problem. with calling out some people to say oh. y'all were gonna win y'all man y'all.

losing all these teams y'all lost the. nigerian exhibition you lose the. australian exhibition and you go the. first game you lose to france you end up. beating france in the gold medal round. sure and they had no problem did you. want to get off because you you very. active on social media also did you want. to get another a did y'all really think. we weren't going to win the gold bro um. i sort of wanted to but i sort of felt. like i wasn't there in the beginning. when they lost those games so i really. didn't have that stance to be like how. y'all didn't believe him that's blah. blah blah because i had came in halfway. through right um but i mean still i it's.

still amazing to me that guys would. would have thought that got the guys of. the caliber of kd and dame and just. everybody who's on that squad who on. that squad were gonna lose to. to another country it just didn't make. sense but i mean once they saw that. first game that was like they were like. oh yeah we were right they didn't. understand what it really takes and to. actually win out and i totally. understand that. we're the best in the world right so. we we knew what was going on we knew.

what we had to do and we handled. business. you could speak to this you won you went. two back-to-back national championships. in 83 and 84. javale you've nba champion. compare the pressure of those games. winning an ncaa 2a championship winning. an nba championship as opposed to the. pressure of a gold medal playing for. your country right. pamela you first. why i mean for me. the gold medal set a standard for me. because that's like historical you know. your grandkids grandkids would say. you're my grandmother was a.

an olympian the nc2a is like i'm just a. goal because if you're a basketball. player you're there right but what i. enjoyed about the olympics is meeting. other people i hung out with the boxers. oh that was a great boxing team. yeah you know and i still know those. guys i don't know if you know henry. sweet p whitaker mildred taylor mark. breeland tyrell beerx henry tillman uh. uh uh. holyfield virgil hill look i'm sorry i'm. a historian olympia you better look at.

it be like. i used to follow the boxes and i started. boxing and i taught javale how to buy oh. guys. yeah they challenged me they said oh you. couldn't do our workout i said man i'm. an athlete what. man i did three three one round of. sparring i was like man all that truck. all that running this stuff i'm done i'm. just boxing i'm doing staring for three. minutes i loved it you know that jab and. all that yeah the same footwork is. defense right.

javale. the pr because obviously because you're. expected to win for sure and everybody's. watching you lose the first round and. then like because you know like you said. you've got to win out in your group in. order to get to the middle rounds yeah. so you've added pressure because you. lost the first game that probably you. wouldn't have felt had you not lost that. first game right. um i mean. that first game that we lost obviously. but we had two games that we played that. we knew we were going to win right um i. mean we knew we were going to win the.

goal but we had a lot just lost to the. team that we could possibly win in the. goal so we didn't have any doubts and we. didn't we didn't disrespect have any. disrespect towards them like they're not. good we understood what was on the table. um but guys definitely locked in and uh. did we had to do and stuck together band. together and. and made it happen but uh. pressure wise. um i feel like the nba championships. were a little bit more pressure um. just because you are on the world stage. in in the olympics but that nba. championship that feeling and you know.

i'm three-time nba championship champion. so that that feeling of winning a. championship that the goal is to make it. to the nba right once you're there the. goal is to win the championship right. and this is my 14th year so. your whole life basically you want to. win a championship in america i. definitely feel it's slightly different. in america in america i feel like it's. slightly different um when it comes to. olympics because i don't think as a kid. unless it's track bloc but basketball as. a kid especially growing up you're like. nba you're not thinking about that.

you're not thinking about the limit. because you're like the people who are. in olympics are magic uh jordan you're. like okay you got to be that top tier. right to be even be there so let's try. to win an nba championship so for me i. feel like it was definitely more. pressure for for the uh making win the. championships in the league. pamela. let's just say for the sake of argument. once you graduate college there's a wnba. how different do you feel your life. would have been had you been instead of. being drafted at 34 number two overall. you're able to go to the wnba at 23.

oh. that's an 11. you know you know how they say my 23. game the 34 game was tight but when i. was 23 you know i could work out bounce. back take it take a couple days i'll. come right back right when i was 31 i. was i never got out of shape. right and so um but i just feel like you. know i don't really look like what if. because you know i'm the only olympic. gold medalist that birthed an olympian. so i feel like.

you already went like vicariously. through my son right. but. i think that i feel like i passed the. torch and so every championship he win i. tell him that's 11 pounds 11 ounces of. that big old head. we need a timeout we need to time out. hold on. how how how much did he weigh and how. long was he. he was this is a true story too this is. a true story i'm not making this up he. was 11 pounds and 11 ounces.

and he was so large they didn't know. because back then they didn't really do. ultrasounds because i had a healthy. pregnancy. but he came out with a ball in his head. he has six fingers this is true story he. has six fingers and the other one have. fluid on it it was shaped like a ball. oh yeah i was so bored and i would say. he was born to play born to pray and. born to play and i saw my gynecologist. he's an older man he said yeah i. remember that boy he was born with a. ball in his hand. and also i'm just thankful that i can i.

get just as much joy when he wins his. championships you know i don't always. tell him because sometimes i got to be. mama you know how it is you're. professional athletes yeah somebody. always like keep you grounded and i'm. i'm the one that both of them i keep. them grounded and let them know that you. know you're still from flint michigan. and your grandmama was paul. couldn't spell the last two letters did. did you know he was gonna be that big. although you know i mean obviously you.

had to be like way way way out here with. almost 12 pound baby. [Laughter]. hey shannon i was 270. oh wow wow wow. wait wait a minute i ain't know that. i was 270. but you you you there's a lot. because you are you said you're 6-2 so. there's a lot for you to grow and with. 12 pounds but but what was your what was. your weight like 190. yeah he was 190. so i was 80 pounds of of you gave me. extra 80. how long did it take you to get the.

weight how long did it take you to get. the 80 pounds that you gained from jabel. how long did it take you to get it off. well you know he went back to i went. right back he was born in january and i. went right back i was one of the first. females to take their take their baby. with them to europe right now i look. back and in my contracts it was always. they had to pay for the nanny since i. was one of the elite players i mean i. won european all-stars right i want all. kind of european cups they allowed me. and that was in the negotiations that.

they would pay for the nanny and that he. could travel with me on every game and. he was sitting at the bench in the. stroller and the nanny would sit beside. him that was how i had to hook up in. europe oh yeah that was definitely a. hookup you know what i got to get. you won back-to-back state championships. and basketball back-to-back state. championships and track you through the. shot put in high school back-to-back. ncaa championships 83-84 a three-time. all-american won the limp won the gold. medal as we mentioned in 84. you won. world championships overseas played in. spain brazil and italy. uh you were 2003 wnba on um your.

assistant coach with the shock you know. three drafted number two overall at the. age of 34. do you do have you ever just sat back. and thought about it like damn. i accomplished a lot and i did a lot of. this as a mother. right and a single mother with no child. support sorry. [Laughter]. we get into. we get into arguments like yo don't. forget to struggle bro you remember how.

don't forget the struggle who put it out. you put it out there single mom. but one thing that i passed on to them. and you know and i tell african-american. mothers especially some of his teachers. and some of his administrators well you. know he come from a single family. household and i would say look jesus. didn't have a daddy look how he turned. out don't give him that right excuse me. okay. javale what was it like watching your. body. it's very true your circumstances should. not define you.

they should shape you but not define you. would you agree or not not define you my. point was is the fact that don't allow. where i came from to define who i am. right where i'm going right and the work. that we put in. right. what was it like seeing your mom. overseas like my mom's i don't know how. much you remember like my mom's a. professional athlete my mom's pretty. cool my mom is not you know she has a. job but it's not a normal job my mom you. know my mom i'm hoping yeah um i mean it.

was amazing but at the time that's. normal for me right you know what i'm. saying so i don't have the experience of. oh my mom's in the kitchen making. cookies right and i didn't have that. experience as a child i had my mother's. grinding right but her grind is. basketball so that's the grind that i. saw my whole life and and i definitely. think it helped me on transitioning from. high school ball to college ball to. professional ball of understanding like. what it takes to really be a. professional um just seeing her as a. single mother with nobody to help her.

was was amazing and she made do every. single year. pamela that team that usc team that you. were on i don't think people realize how. dominant how good you were you had. cynthia cooper who could make a case. he's the greatest wnba player of all. time you had. definitely a legend cheryl miller who. many believe that the greatest w uh. female player of all time and you and. your twin sister. legend when when you guys were playing.

did you realize or did you know how. special you were and what you were about. to accomplish did it ever dawn on you. well i mean you know i ain't sharpening. zion i was never one of those players. didn't want to play with talent i mean i. didn't play won championships with the. great some of the greatest female. players lisa leslie don't stay it goes. on and on right i was wanting players. that believed in myself as a player that. nobody can do what i do right and if you. think you better than i am that's all. good because i'm gonna ride with you i.

ain't shopping zion and i'm gonna get. better that's just through osmosis but. that mentality came i didn't grow up. in the in the you know playing with. dolls i grew up in flint michigan at the. park trying to get a game against men. against the fellas you can't play. because you're a girl. and i'm like oh i got next i always just. had that kind of and javale would tell. you as a mom. he would always say why mom why. you can ask him that question i'm. listening at you talk i can tell you're.

very very competitive and now i can. understand why javale wanted to beat you. so bad and rub it in because you're the. type you beat him you don't let him. forget it exactly so he wants to pay you. back because you're like. as i'm listening to you talk you said. you were always probably the taller. female in your school in your class and. you said you didn't want to play with. dogs so you knew early on you wanted to. be an athlete. but i mean to be honest with you it was. my mom my mom really told me.

she said one day they're gonna give. female athletes a scholarship and i mean. literally my dad and her were getting. the arguments because my dad said you. need to be in in the room cooking and. cleaning that ain't nobody gonna get. them girls on scholarship and my mother. had a vision and she said y'all need to. get your grades together i'm gonna let. y'all play this basketball and y'all. gonna be and we were we were the first. that went from aiawa nc2a right and i. was under that first cusp of title nine. to get a full-ride scholarship correct. so i was the beginning of the whole.

really women's basketball revolution and. the movement. so. as i mentioned earlier. you burst the sun. that played that plays in the nba is one. three championship you birthed the. daughter that plays in the wnba. currently she's pursuing he's in law. school pursuing a law degree she's in. law school when you sit back. how do you feel about that like. i did you don't have a single idea i. no i only think that i that my son.

reminds me. um i'm just thankful i just say but god. right that's all i can say what you know. i just i just walk in humility uh uh. and it wasn't always sunshine i don't. want people to think that we just woke. up it was a struggle right javale knows. the struggle and we remind each other of. the blessings that he just blessed his. mom with a 2021 10 miles on a bmw x5. and see but this is my son he had to. talk me into a mama i'm sending you a. car i'm saying my car is good it's paid.

for i'm sending you a new car he had to. talk me into it yeah because i'm just. thankful for whatever i understand. javale's point of view because when you. grow up. i'm a lot i'm closer to your age than i. am javales but when you grow up in rural. south georgia you don't have indoor. plumbing you don't have running water. you don't you don't have a lot you're a. thousand square foot with cement floors. cinder block and tin roof. once you make it you want everybody that. was a part of that struggle you want. them to have.

javale wants you to have because you are. part of the struggle. you should you should you know and i i. have to get used to that you you have to. i i've always been the giver you know. when you're a single mama you you really. have to i have to reach yourself for. every dollar putting kids through. private school. you know in aau travel right and you. know and he he grew shoes every every. three months. and i wanted to make sure that he had. the top education too he's not only he's.

an intellectual too yes and music too so. i wanted him to be a full person because. you know basketball is not who we are. basketball is what we do correct and. sometimes you know when we're in this. this fame bubble. you know that he gets they you can get. caught up but i always tell him but god. you know stay right here because one day. the same people to say hosanna hosanna. will say crucifying crucifying but you. can always know that you got somebody. who will always have your back.

and no matter what i would tell him. whatever i got you. don't nobody else got you mama i got you. javale when you you you know better than. anybody the sacrifice and the struggle. that your mama went through. raising a young man a young black man as. a single mom. doing everything she talked about. putting you in private school she talked. about uh aau travel doing all the things. denying herself possibly maybe a better. car maybe a nicer dress or maybe. something for sure just so javale and.

her and your daughter your sister could. have when you think back and you like. man my mom did all that. there's nothing i can't accomplish. because i know if she did that she. poured some of what was in her in me. sure for sure every day every day i. think about just the struggles that we. went through when i was younger. having uh uh warm to warm the water up. with uh with a hot in the microwave so i. could take a shower or wash up before. school type stuff driving for living in.

flint but going to detroit country day. which is a. high private school. but we had to wake up early like 6 45. drive 45 minutes to school every day. coming from flint not being able to. not being able to have my friends come. over my house because at one point we. were staying in a hotel. um like thinking like my sophomore year. in high school so i'm going over my. friend's house who's staying at detroit. country who living who playing the. trainer today obviously they got money. right i mean they're like woo they got a. pantry they got multiple four-five rooms.

they living i'm enjoying that right but. hey come on won't you come over my house. can't do it i'm staying in the hotel. hotel double bed with my. so the struggle that i went through the. struggle that we went through like can. nobody can ever take that from us and i. don't care what she do to me it don't. matter she she can curse me out call me. this and that whatever she do she good. with me for the rest of my life for the. rest of her life because because it's. serious the the things she's been. through just to make sure i was good.

go ahead pamela what were you going to. say so what what the deal was shannon is. the fact that i could stay in an. extended stay and i knew i had one bill. cause i was stacking my chips so he. could go to this private school right. they give you a scholarship but you. still gotta pay your part right. and that's what i had to do coming out. of the divorce that killed me. and so but you know i put it all back. together and people just think one day. we woke up no i did that raised both of. them they went to private schools but. one of the things he used to say to me. he said i never see you cry i was like.

dude it's milk on the floor what are we. gonna do you gotta get a mop. crying ain't gonna get that milk up son. we gotta get him up. wow. flint. you born in friend you grew up hey but. look what i'm living in now yeah look at. you. you probably got about ten thousand. square feet swimming pool what. see that's the beauty of god you got to. show the full picture right.

flint what was it like. how different was it for you growing up. in flint as opposed to javale and javel. what was your experience lighting flint. and not because when you hear flint the. first thing you think of is the water. crisis. obviously there's more to flint than. just the water crisis so what was it. like for you growing up in the 60s and. 70s pamela in flint. well people don't understand in the 16th. and 7th flint had it going on right. african americans migrated from the. south because they had they was going.

into the shops right the factories was. working so we had good school systems. there was a you know flint is the uh. home of the uaw and the building of the. mod. foundation which built the ford wheels. right and so they donated a lot in the. city so we got per capita the most. professional athletes that came in the. nba came out of flint michigan per. capita population. so we had a a community school directed. program i played every sport there was. the schools was open to nine o'clock at.

night. and then after the factories closed. that's when flint became a different. different story. javale um well i didn't get the the. factory flint i got the post factory. flint right and uh. but when i was a kid yeah that's real. talk but when i was a kid you don't. really know what you're in like you. think this is just normal because you. didn't experience anything anything but. that you know what i'm saying so so it. wasn't that bad for me but looking back. i'm like wow after i i went up uh when i.

got to the league i went back to one of. the houses that i stayed in i think it. was on key street and i'm looking at it. like how did i even like this is like a. thousand twelve hundred square feet two. bedroom like how does this even work. like but and we we one year we didn't. have running water we had an empty lot. next to us like it was rough but at the. time that wasn't working. huh. we had running water okay well we had. well it definitely wasn't.

i ain't trying to get into the real. details of us having crackhead neighbors. who did our lawn but we used to do half. of it yeah hey i ain't hating on that. because we did. the reason why is because i had owned. the house and i owned it all right. and so hey we had to do what we had to. do i didn't have to i didn't i own the. house. no one's doubting that man no one's. doubting that you're good you're good. now so that's all that matters right. yeah you ain't got to cut no grass. you're gonna go crackhead neighborhood. yeah you ain't got none of that i don't. think you got to be cracking.

no and that's real though we were we. were and i it was because and then. people don't understand you know you can. life hits you when you got to do what. you got to do sure. and that's why uh i just say but god. i'm listening at you talk i'm listening. at javale. i'm watching you too. you have a very different relationship. than most most mothers and sons. is it because. you were a single mother and for the.

longest time it was just you and him it. was is that the reason why me personally. i feel like my mother had to she had to. be the father and the mother at the time. but she also had to. like i feel like when a man raises a a. boy he he has that that time of okay. it's time for him to learn about this. it's time to learn like that right but. she seeing me she's like and looking at. the world she's like no he needs to grow. up you know what i'm saying it's going. to be hard for a black man to to survive. in this in in his world so he needs to. grow up so she used to really not not.

she didn't get to be that soft mother. where the father got to be the. disciplinarian she was oh you you. weren't going well in practice this. morning all right we're waking up at 6. a.m tomorrow and running around the. school in the snow and timberland boots. and i'm like i'm crying running around. the school and she like suck it up like. no no nothing at all after of course. she's like oh good job baby all right. get your ass to school you know what i'm. saying. so so so she was a slightly a little bit. she was slightly a little bit tougher. than i feel like the average mother.

would be but at the time that was. necessary for her right for me to be. successful it wouldn't have worked if. she would have did it any other way go. ahead go ahead pablo what what what my. goal was and and he would talk i said. you will not be a trifling black man so. one thing that we can't control is work. ethic right and i had went into practice. and he was just no effort just going. through the motions i said i worked my. butt off to get you in this private. school the least you can do everybody. can now shoot you everybody can all. rebound but work ethic get in there and.

work right and if you not you're gonna. do it my way because you're a black man. in america we don't get second chances. we do it right the first time right and. sometimes i got extreme but he got the. message. you're a very protective mom and there's. a situation. with shocked and a fool. and. i had really never heard you talk i knew. who you were i know what you know what. your accomplishments were because i i'm. in sports i follow sports i study sports. this was really the first time i've ever.

heard you talk and step out. and i'm like okay we normally when mom. step out publicly oh there's a problem. well i mean and you gotta also. understand that he got you know i had. his uh his ghetto card revoked. you know. we as african-americans and we we are as. athletes you know we come from a. fraternity and we got a cold right now. once you break that code. and also i told you bill he forgot you.

in the league i'm from flint. so i ain't scared but you need to know. you went too far and i always i never. apologize for protecting mine right. jebel didn't grow up in the hood hood i. grew up in the hood hood right and so. after that whole experience you know. shaq got his his ghetto card revoked. and he got checked. javelin. where i grew up at yeah javelin said. where he grew up at. i'm saying you wouldn't know you wasn't.

you want to know no drugs and that was. saying i wasn't in the streets. right that's what i'm saying you wasn't. in the streets because i i was right. there that's what i'm saying you wasn't. in the streets. you wouldn't know hood you know you. wouldn't know who you were developing. you on social media you thought you. stepped over the line also um truthfully. at the time when it had happened well. when it was happening i wasn't in a. position to. to really speak on it to where it would.

get any any. push any clout if i would have spoke on. it early on it was like all right. whoever development is right you know. what i'm saying that's shaq. but when i got to golden state and we. were winning i was put in a position to. where okay i can actually speak and have. a voice and people are asking you. contributing on a championship winning. team exactly so it gave me that power to. like all right now i can actually speak. on it because if i would have spoken on. it before it would be like all right. cool and it still would have been going. on right so i found the opportunity to. to to actually speak on it and.

and and things were happening where he. was putting post up where it was like i. would go coast to coast and miss the. layup right and then that's on the show. and i'm like it's a missed layup right. that's extremely simple like let's not. let's not overdo it right it was just. doing too much so i i i mean you draw. the line somewhere and i had to you know. uh it was it was in the public so i had. to put it out in the public and put it. on twitter and say what i had to say but. did you did you and shaq have a. conversation did you address it we never. had a conversation.

we see each other crossing paths like. all right cool what up but there's never. no. real conversation but the thing about. that whole shack in the full era of when. i was on there is i didn't realize what. it was doing to my career until i got. started to move on to other teams right. and i would talk to other coaches and. middle of the year they'd be like i. don't i've i've always seen that. shackling food stuff and had a different. mental review and i never knew like. you're a smart kid you're extremely uh. vocal you're a great basketball player i. never but it was it was it was slowly.

chipping away at my reputation right as. a young 24 year old athletic basketball. player young right excited it was just. slowly chipping away with every other. coach in the league like no we don't. want him we see what he's doing on. shacking the food but i mean if you add. any low light of in you can add you can. make a low light of jordan right now and. if you've never seen a highlight of him. you would think he was the worst player. in the world so i mean it was definitely. a down spiral ever since i went on that. every day since that show air of my. career right.

people perception also. go ahead and share i want to make sure. we we understand this too that's why the. gold medal is so powerful and kids got. to see. what what that whole issue was bullying. and we as african-americans yeah we. could play the dozens and all that but. then it becomes. the bible says there's life and death in. the power of atonement right we are. taught to uplift each other and speak. truth right and so i had to get in it. because of the the black man that i know. i read right and then you know and i'll.

never let anybody. you know disrespect and get taken to the. hood when we and this is our jobs and. we're professional nor should you but a. people perception. of you is their reality if somebody. don't know you what they perceive you. that's who you are. that and like you said the coaches had. this perception because that's what they. saw they didn't know you never once they. get a chance to know you're like well. hold on you're not a dunce you're not a. buffoon you're actually intellectual you. actually thoughtful you can actually.

play you can actually contribute to a. winning to winning basketball for sure. it's definitely it's definitely it's. definitely perception man perception. changes everything and and. and. ever since i was ever since they was. like okay we're not posting you on that. show anymore all i've been doing is just. trying to build my reputation back up. build more and more into my brand make. my brand better and better and that's. all i've been doing ever since. you were in dc pamela give me a second. i'm going to i would ask him there. because i got gilbert's side i want to. get your side you were there.

with gilbert in the gun situation with a. jarvis. what actually happened. um so we're playing we're playing cards. on what was the name of the card game. good in between blu-ray. okay okay boom game called blu-ray on on. on the card game i think is. uh. earl. my god earl right here gill right there. javaris right here and somebody else. right here i can't remember i think it. was a five-man game and we playing i owe.

earl some money right and i have like a. wide because i keep i'm winning i have. like a wide in my hand right so earl. like can i get my money i'm like i got. you bro after the plane bro or next. flight because that's the rule you paid. next flight you don't pay right now. right that's the rule next flight so i. got you understand then javaris chimes. in he's like man you can't have that. money in your hand and not pay him why. you speaking on another man money and. then. and then gail speaks to javaris and it's. like why why why you why are you worried. about his day business thing nothing to. do with y'all okay so.

they go at it words exchange i'm gonna. do this i'm gonna do that and then gil's. like all right do it whatever so we get. off the plane we go our separate ways. you think it's over with i think it's. over i don't think people are really you. know what i'm saying doing what they. doing so we get to the i don't know if. it's the next day or or or day after. when we get to the to the locker room i. get in a little bit later than them two. got in so they like hey man. they tripping people telling me like uh. they're going crazy and. he brought a gun.

and and and what you call it brought. some guns too and i'm like what so i i i. i saw i saw i think one of gills that. was like a gold one i was like there's. an eagle the desert eagle in my opinion. i'm like this is a nice gun. but as a you know i'm think i'm what i'm. 22 20 20 i think i don't even remember. how old i was right i didn't realize the. magnitude of what was going on right at. the time until the media got a hold up. and i'm like oh they might go to jail. had you ever seen two men get into it.

and guns are actually displayed i never. i've never seen that um um. i've seen guns before obviously in like. on people and confrontation [ __ ] but. i've never seen it in a professional. setting in my life of people actually. bringing guns to each other and. see shannon and that's. going. that's the difference between old school. teams and new school teams. you know old school teams they had. issues but that stuff never left the. locker room right. well. you just knuckle it up.

old school team you fight it out at a. somebody gonna win somebody gonna lose. it you just keep it moving. don't everybody go home but what i'm. saying is anything that went down in the. locker room stayed in the locker room. right oh yeah we had kind of a. camaraderie not that we didn't have. issues right but it never left the. locker room and then two brothers just. solved a problem but it never got to. like guns and all of that because it was. never that violent right because you. know they just yes it should have never. been and if there was an issue it never. left the locker room right those were.

the old schools well they should've. never got i mean look it should've never. gotten that serious i mean you joking. about somebody losing and somebody but. that's how it is it's not the person. that's telling the joke it's the person. that's laughing at the joke that. everybody want to fight right why are. you why are you not mad at him for. telling the joke i'm just laughing but. and i don't think what people understand. about you know shannon with professional. athletes you know money just exacerbates. who you are yeah absolutely you want. french but if you're an [ __ ] broke. you're gonna be an [ __ ] rich right. you know you're just gonna be bigger you.

you're exactly right person jarvis is in. jail right now. i man let's not let's not speak on that. man man we don't know what's going on in. his life man okay i'm sorry but i'm just. saying. that was just sorry my bad. javale how has your mindset changed. since you won those championships what. is different about javale mcgee you're. still seven foot tall you're still 230. with 30 pounds you you steal that so. what is. how have you changed um. going to golden state was definitely a.

blessing for me oh it was life-changing. of course winning championships but just. behind the scenes was was life-changing. for me too of just seeing a real. organization work. and how a real organization works and. how they take care of their players and. how the players really run. what it what goes on it's not just okay. the coach tells you to do something and. you do it and on my first two teams uh. with the wizards and with denver that's. how it was ran it was more ran of okay. you listen to the coach it's not ran by. the players it doesn't matter what the.

players really want right at all golden. state the players had the loudest voices. in in in the gym if if draymond wanted. to do this dinner with the whole team it. was going to happen it wasn't a question. and no nothing like that this person. wanted to do that all the way down so um. and and the way that that organization. was set up is that they were definitely. a players team to where they they made. sure when we went to the playoffs they. made sure there was a family plane that. went so you can take your family with. you wow uh we were allowed to have like.

one play one one friend a year to get on. on the team playing with us i've never. seen that anywhere else and still have. it right so just the just being able to. be a golden state and see a real winning. organization the way is ran was amazing. and every place i went to after that i. got to take that piece with me and add. it to another team like oh you should do. this that's what they was doing and they. obviously winning at golden state you. should add this it definitely brings a. camaraderie with the players this and. that um so it is definitely a difference.

in in. in championship teams and championship. organizations than these other. organizations that are just. playing for the lottery every year pam i. know you have to go so i'm gonna wrap. you up with this question. what advice would you give parents. forget i i'm not gonna say well what. advice would you give parents about. raising a potential professional athlete. son or daughter no what advice would you. give any parent about raising a child. today. um i if i had to raise a child today you.

got to train children differently you. can't be just do this data you got to. think them you got to let them make them. think mean like you got to say give me a. solution on how to solve problems. because our children are inundated with. so much negativity and there's so much. social media and there's so much you. can't control what the internet brings. to them and it's not like the family. setting where you know our kids went to. church and and you got to sit down if i. had kids nowadays you got to sit down. and have a relationship and make sure.

you create communication when y'all can. talk i i tell you the reason why jabel. and i are so close because he talked at. the age of two and three in paragraphs. because he was my only english-speaking. person when i played in europe right so. i never talked to him like a little baby. he was two and he would talk like mommy. would you like to go to the store i need. some water would you please give me a. bottle i mean he was just always just. intellectual so. even though i had him at like 24 or 25.

i think we grew up together because even. now i find myself like the teacher has. become the student has become the. teacher the teacher has become the. preacher whatever that is the master. whatever because he really inspires me i. watch him i'm so proud of him the reason. why we no longer deal with shackling. food because the world has got to see. what i see he's a you know. his uh youtube he's really showing the. people who he is and he's just really.

matured. through this 14 years experience and i. i'm not saying that because i'm his. mother i'm just saying that that you. know he's an asset to the world and uh. he's just a. a good. young man and i just admire him as his. mother and i'm just really proud to say. that i am you know it used to be you. know this is javel mcgee you know that's. japan mcgee son now people like stop and. say yo. they don't say two-time nc2a champion.

hall of famer they said oh you're. jamelle obama right. a lot of i want to get you two of that. two questions. who is the greatest female basketball. player of all time. uh there was uh this chick named alexia. out of brazil but besides her. it's a tie between cynthia cooper and. sheryl miller okay because they were. like. revolutionized again right okay. this one i'm gonna see what you're gonna.

say on this one who's the greatest male. basketball player nba player of all time. the greatest and you played on the. olympics in 1984 with one. mj the black cat. you said that quick pamela you said that. too quick. hey i was just saying what you know i. was just telling people my analysis. analogy of the whole scotty and all of. that and mj i always say that was batman. robin.

but it's only one batman. you know now if you take batman out the. picture it was batman and robert but. there's only one batman. pamela. thank you for stopping by give your. court we're going to continue this with. javale but thank you for stopping by you. are the first female to enter club. shayshay thank you. hey that's what i do. my. mama you mom thanks shannon thanks for. coming hey shannon i want to say this. too i saw you when the the issues came.

out with the shaq and the fool and i. appreciate you for standing up for a. sister that was fighting for his son. thank you man i really. thank you we need more brothers like you. to stand up and say yo pull up pull up. i've been there. and what what what what it what if what. what he does and what their careers add. to our legacy and our generational. wealth and our family. i'm proud to be. javale mcgee's mom. well thank you so much i really.

appreciate that. thanks for having me jabel 14 years. you've been a couple of different places. you were the wizards with golden state. the lakers cleveland last year you. finished up in denver. signed a deal with the phoenix suns. what do you feel you can bring to the. sun they just within the nba finals uh. this past season they end up losing in. six games to the books. what will you bring and how does your. game help deandre ayton um i mean i feel. like my game definitely helps deandre uh. in a major way for just the veteran. leadership.

alone. and uh also on. he when he gets into foul trouble things. like that right and having that veteran. big to come in that seven foot block. shots defend rebound and does all the. intangibles that a real big man does. right um because i mean. shoot three the last two three four five. years they've been trying to get us out. of there we're trying to get the the. natural live catching screen and roll. big out of the league they've been. trying thanks to draymond that's my guy.

um but um but now we're starting to get. that rep back like okay we actually need. bids now you know what i'm saying so i i. definitely think it's necessary for me. to me to pick up the slack um definitely. with with the ways when he gets in foul. trouble during the season or even if you. think in the finals he was getting in. foul trouble and then giannis was having. a field day right so i just feel like. it's definitely uh one of my attributes. that i'm well at being that defensive. anchor and being able to control the. pain. you're going to play with chris paul. devin booker who you played with a.

little bit uh within the olympics won. the gold medal with chris paul. talked a little bit the other day about. since going to the finals and. experiencing that he's addicted to it. what do you share with chris paul you. won three championships in the last what. five six years so you know what it's. like to get to the finals you know what. it likes to take to get over that ump. yeah and win the finals yeah it's. consistency man it's consistency that's. all it really is it's not easy to do um. is definitely uh about a team though.

that's what it's made majorly about is. the team is everybody on the team locked. in is everybody one through 15 willing. to sacrifice win the sacrifice just a. little bit just so. that person can get off that person get. off and the way that chris paul plays is. is extremely unselfish in my eyes right. um he he's he's nine ten assists a game. and and and every big man has ever. played with chris paul has done well so. i just feel like chris paul is. definitely the head of the snake and. he's definitely going to lead us to that. to that uh finals again.

you spoke a little bit about it but you. mentioned about playing in golden state. and. the type of atmosphere that it that it. bred the players have the strongest. voice the things that they allowed you. to do that no other organization had. allowed you to do that you felt was very. conducive to winning for sure. the way golden state ran things was. do whatever you want as long as we win. right and you can give that freedom to a. certain type of guy you can't give that.

to everybody a lot of guys will take. advantage of that and be correct the. club every night right just doing. whatever they want because they don't. have but we had uh those two years that. we wanted back to back we had a good. group of jobs. for true professionalism you know what. i'm saying and even if a guy went out. went out to three in the morning he. gonna come out come like like in the. last dance you know dennis rodman was. gonna go do his thing but he's gonna. come and work out work everybody and i. feel like one through 15 everybody was. locked in on what the goal was um when.

when i had got there they were they had. just lost to cleveland but they had went. to the finals so i had one to finals. back to back right so we're day one. we're winning the championship that was. the mindset it wasn't oh we're going. we're going to make the playoffs we win. the championship and i mean just the way. that that team. that organization uh take takes care of. those players the players families the. players friends. is definitely necessary on a winning. organization. you um i just saw your vacation with.

clay what are your expectations he's. missed two years had the acl tried to. come back was looking great the last. offseason tears the achilles two years. away two serious injuries for for a. basketball player what are you expecting. from clay this year um i expect the old. clay to tell the truth uh the only thing. i can see maybe will be slacking in that. first month of the season is defense. just because you know how aggressive. clay is and how good he is on defense. right i don't think you're going to get. those reps in the off season or in.

practice right on the defensive end of. re being able to really lock guys up so. i think that first month he's going to. struggle a little bit on defense but. offensively he didn't hurt his arms he. never rolled his office. ain't nothing wrong with his arm so that. boy gonna shoot. all right. i just saw officer rivers the other day. and he's with the nuggets. the nuggets were in the playoffs last. year. uh they got the reigning mvp. and they didn't get a christmas day game. and he's very upset with that do you. believe another should have got a. christmas day game um.

i don't i don't i don't fan wise uh. like. just. the the the level of. how much fans love a team i don't think. so because i think like every team. that's playing in on the christmas day. people want to see those games you know. what i'm saying no even if that team. didn't even make the playoffs people you. who you're going to kick out right you. know what i'm saying you're going to. kick steph and clay and draymond out or. and you know they want to see the ladies. they want to see lakers next they want. to see that class right so it's about.

entertainment and. and everybody understands that so i. don't entertainment wise i don't think. denver should have been on the christmas. christmas uh game. um. you were asked. playing with steph playing with lebron. and you said uh. something to the effect i think you said. it was. better play either playing with lebron. or lebron was so so the question was who. did you enjoy playing with right more. okay lebron or or or steph my answer was.

i enjoyed playing with lebron the first. year i was on the lakers but they just. they cut off the first year they just. said he enjoyed playing with lebron and. then you know click bait but i enjoyed. playing with lebron the first year on. the lakers because i was the starting. center right i had the highest i had my. career high 30 and 20 games right and i. had scored i had a career high in points. that year right so enjoyment yes i. enjoyed being succeeding right you know.

what i'm saying and and because he. allowed because. lebron allowed you to because a lot of. people like man all javale can do is. build back if you come in get your five. points three rebounds it'll block and. that's it exactly but he allowed you all. those lobs all those alley hoops the. screen picking pops exactly you're like. man if i had this dude my whole career. i'm saying i better be the all-star team. exactly so i'm like which one did i. enjoy i enjoyed that i didn't i didn't. enjoy. not playing a lot in golden state but i. enjoy winning right i enjoy hanging out.

with those guys i enjoy playing but you. have everybody has that selfish bonus. everybody were like i want to succeed. too right you know what i'm saying it's. nice to win but i like to think i'm a. part of a big part of this wedding i. mean. when you you guys won the championship. uh last year you before last you were a. big part of that exactly there was some. series that you didn't play about but. people forget we were the number one in. the west and i was a starting center the. whole year yeah you know what i'm saying. right so when the playoffs comes. playoffs are situated about matchups you.

never know who you're going to get in. the playoffs right and they they can. change in any day so. i definitely enjoyed that first year. with lakers. how how's lebron as a teammate i mean. you know people you know. you see him. and you know because i think sometimes. now people have taken what he does for. granted yeah but how is he as a teammate. how great is lebron um. lebron's pretty great i can't you. there's nothing you can really say about. that just because when i used to see uh. i used to hear things like bill russell.

was a was a player coach one year and i. was like how do you how are you a player. coach how's that a thing but after going. to the lakers i understand how a player. could be a player coach right because. just the the not only playing the game. when lebron plays the games he's. thinking the game too and he's low-key. thinking for two other players also like. oh you need to be there you need to be. there we need to do this if we gonna win. this series we need to change this right. and he's a major part of that so i i. definitely think like he's more of a. player coach than just a player when it. comes to just the cerebral part of the.

game do you think people take it for. granted. with how great he is i definitely think. people take it for granted how great he. really is just the things that he's done. in. going was it nine he went nine finals in. a row or nine out of ten. right in a row eight in a row and then. if you look and if you look at some of. those teams you're like who else did he. have right to really help him he didn't. have like any super team he had a couple. maybe if you count uh dwayne wade and. but it was a lot of a lot going on for. him to still make it to the finals in. those years. you're investing you're a big investor.

you're invested in the 2017 film all. eyes on me about tupac your core you. invested in a vegan snack company. outstanding foods with snoop dogg beyond. meat with deandre jordan kyrie irving. chris paul. and. is that. what made you decide to to get so. involved in investing golden state. golden state being out there uh and. my main i feel like my main mentor when.

it came to that was andre iguodala okay. just seeing the way andre moved when he. was out there and talking to these. billionaires and talking to these guys. and really getting in there and not just. being a basketball player you know what. i'm saying being a big real business man. it was inspirational and i used to talk. to him all the time on the plane and and. we recommend books to each other and. like oh yeah i got to read that you got. to read this blah blah. so after that i was like okay i'm in. this situation and he really it really. made me. see from the outside looking in at my.

fame and my power of having fame to be. able to invest in companies not knowing. really what you know what i'm saying you. don't really know you're not a i wasn't. in behind the scenes of beyond me. building the the. you know what i'm saying so it's. definitely a a positive thing of being. able to. invest in companies and. as a kid you don't really know that you. know what i'm saying i didn't really. know that in the league until i got to. go in the state that investing is as. important as it is right you got.

inflation inflation eating up your money. every year as a kid all you know is. stack stack stack we come from the hood. we we put our money in the shoebox. exactly yeah we thinking straight cash. that's the only way it is but the world. is so much bigger than that right. you're a grammy nominated producer. have you always liked music what what. led you to the music uh i started. producing. so so i was always a nerd when it came. to computers technology and everything. and i always say this like i wouldn't. have. i wouldn't survive being a producer if.

it wasn't for computers right because. now everything's on the computer so when. i got when i got out of college well. when i was in college i got my first uh. what was i took a student loan out ten. thousand dollars right and i bought me a. little laptop put fl studio on there was. making beats made a little mixtape with. my roommate right and we i was just like. oh this is fun. but it was more just fun for me and the. technology more than anything just. figuring it out on the computer of how. to do this so when i got to the league i. bought my first mac and i got uh i got a.

program called logic and after that it. was just like okay this is really. something i can really do and i really. enjoy doing this i was sitting in my. room every day hours just trying to make. beats and trying to figure things out so. i've always been a nerd and i feel like. the technology aspect of music really. helped me out when it came to producing. you wrote and produced a song on the. album called title. so. i mean. if that's something that you want to go. like further further with i mean once. you're done with basketball are you in.

the vote exclusive your time to rap. you'll still do you're obviously going. to still do a part of your investing but. how how deep into the music game are you. going to go when you're going to. basketball i mean my ultimate goal is to. be is is to not really produce or is to. be more of a anr or more of an executive. in the music industry okay um rather. than an artist um i just feel like i. mean the older you get it's harder to be. an artist i'm not i'm not really in i'm. seven foot right i never envisioned. myself as an artist always that's why i. always wanted to be a producer.

so you might be able to stay. you know but i just couldn't i just. couldn't never saw it right so um i. definitely want to get into the into the. executive role when it comes to music. eventually. been a lot of debate. top three nba rappers of all time i need. them in order in order in order. all right uh. top three nba rappers and all i'm gonna. go number one i'm gonna go.

dame i'm gonna go damage number one. because i feel like he's he's the only. one who really had the opportunity to. take it as serious as that as he does. right uh number two i would probably. say i believe ai was a rapper you had a. rap song too right yeah so i would say. ai number two and then. i will go lou will three i'm gonna go. blue will three. man how you leading shaq out. no i'm just cause you went platinum he. went platinum off fame i wouldn't say. like lyrics. [Laughter].

oh bad give me your mouth rush more nba. players mount rushmore how many people. am i working from four. um. all right we're gonna go kareem kareem. one kareem. we're going jordan two. i'm gonna put a.i on there for the. little guys okay cause he was he was a. monster at being six foot like he was a. monster the heart he had. a monster. and i got to say shaq yeah that's number.

four just because he was the most. dominant big ever i feel like all right. javale thanks bro i really appreciate. you having you and your mom on i. appreciate you giving me some time. congratulations on the gold medal. congratulations on your 14th uh 14th. year gonna finish going to be in uh uh. phoenix good luck this year hope you get. a championship thank you thanks for. stopping by brian appreciate. [Music].

all. life sacrifice plus we'll pay the price. all my. wanna slice got to roll it dice that's. why all my life i've been grinding all. my life. [Music]. you.