G Herbo On Lil Herb, King Von, Chief Keef, Nicki Minaj, Juice WRLD & Marriage

marriage in the future. I mean, >> I can't wait to marry my girl. >> You ready to do that thing now? You see, you seem g You set up in the chair with. >> Get on one knee right now. I'm ready to. go home with. all my life been grinding all my life. Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price, want. a slice, got to roll a dice. That's why. all my life I've been grinding all my. life. All my life been grinding all my. life. Sacrifice hustle paid the price. Want a slice? Got to roll a dice. That's.

why all my life I've been grinding all. my life. [Music]. Hello, welcome to another episode of. Club Shay. I am your host Shannon Sharp. I'm also the propri of Club Shay. Stopping by for conversation on the. drink today is an undeniable and. influential talent, one of the most. popular artists from the Windy City. He's this generation's premier voice for. the voiceless, a top tier MC, a platinum. selling rapper, a songwriter with vivid. storytelling ability, a respected. community leader and philanthropist, a. pioneer for the mental health in the hip.

hop. He is admired as one of the most. beloved family memb. let's let's toast up this old shade. see. what you think about this here. >> I couldn't wait. I couldn't wait to get. some of this [ __ ]. >> I want your honest opinion now cuz I. >> Give me honest opinion. >> Smooth. I need a bottle.

>> Say no more. >> I need a bottle. >> Say no. Say it no more. This album. Little Herb. >> Mhm. >> Who's Little Herb. >> Lil Herb is. a kid from the east side of Chicago, one of the most poverty struck and. dangerous neighborhoods in Chicago. who just had a dream, man. A dream of, you know, rapping and and making it out, but was. kneede in the midst of the fire. You. feel real? Like, like growing up.

>> over there and starting to. >> do music at 15, 16 years old and then. picking up and making a name for myself. and still being in the streets and being. shot at 16 and seeing a lot of my homies. pass away. Like Lil Herd was just a kid. with a dream and you know what I'm. saying? Fast forward me being G Herbo, it's like I had to kind of like tap back. into my old self and find that hunger. for real. So that's why I really like. >> I'm on a little herd wave right now. >> What's some of your fondest memories,

your childhood memories? What's some of. your fondest memories of you growing up. on the east side of Chicago? um going to. play basketball at Ekasaw Park, playing. basketball at Southshore Park, playing. basketball at Warhog Park, where it's. like I'm from I grew up all over the. east side. You know what I'm saying? Like it's not a lot of people that could. really say they had memories more so in. other areas other than they block the. little twob block radius they grew up. on. >> That's all you could see outside. You.

couldn't see outside of anything other. than. >> Yeah. No, for sure. But the east side is. pretty big and I got memories like all. over because my I got my aunts like. lived in different parts of. neighborhood. I actually went to school. in a neighborhood that wasn't where I. lived at. You know what I'm saying? So. it's like I had friends over there and I. had friends in my neighborhood where I. lived. So my fondest memories is just. being able to walk 12 blocks to go play. basketball. You feel what I'm saying? Like I definitely look back and think. and a lot of those people who I shared. those memories with not here no more. >> Yeah. Outside of rap, did you dream of.

anything else other than rap or that was. that? You know, my brother used to tell. us tells me all the time, he said, "A. dream is a gift that we give to. ourselves.". >> Mhm. I I I never heard that. I. >> So outside of rap, you said, you know, you started 15, 16. Outside when you. growing up, say you're 9, 10, 11, 12. >> What did you hear? >> I wanted to play basketball. >> You want to? >> Yeah. I wanted to go D1 and go to the. league. everybody like and I wasn't like. when I was young I didn't really get. good at basketball until I got like.

eighth grade ninth grade for real like I. just had a dream I wanted to do it cuz. it was the cool thing to do my big. cousins and big brother and all them. play basketball and they was good you. know and I just wanted to like follow. after them for real and I really like I. used to like believe that I could do it. for real you know what I'm saying like. >> so you could really hoot. >> yeah I'm nice I'm I could hoop for sure. for sure for sure like but my dreams. just got cut short so early 15 16 out, freshman, sophomore in high school. I. got shot, got kicked off the team, stuff. like that. You feel what I'm saying? So,

it's like I just lean towards rap, but I. never wanted to be anything other than. the basketball playing a rapper. >> Did you play any other sports? You try. football? You tried. >> I ain't I never tried football, man. I. just like I just fell in love with. basketball and just only played. basketball. Like I wasn't athletic at. all. I'm not going to lie to you. Like. >> So, who would you compare your. basketball game to? You you LeBron, you. Steph Curry, you KD, you Jordan. >> You going to laugh at this for real? For. real. You know who they used to compare. me to? >> Who? >> Van Xel.

>> Nick Nick. >> Yeah. >> Let me get a little shot of it right. quick. >> I don't know about that. Nick the Quick. >> Yeah, they used to my manager used to. say I I was I used to play like Van X. cuz I could like I used to be able to. like just. >> You lefty? >> Yeah, I'm left-handed. I get to whatever. spot like. >> So Nick Quick, I was I was in Denver. when he got there. He was he was nice. with the he could hey he was he could. dance with it. >> I used I was nice in my prime is prime. I was all right.

>> So obviously if you're from Chicago you. know D Rose. >> Yeah for sure. >> D Rose people say man D Rose is probably. bigger in Chicago than Jordan. >> I've said that before. >> You said that. >> out my own mouth. I said that. >> THAT WERE YOU? >> I said that. >> Man, you need to get the word of this. man. I don't know. You must have been. drinking WHEN YOU DRINKING WHEN YOU SAID. THAT. Let me give you my opinion on why. I say. >> okay give me your opinion. >> I'm I'm not going to like Jordan is the. biggest of the biggest. I'm not going to. say that. But it's like. >> coming from Chicago like Rose homerown. >> You know he homegrown it's like we seen.

it. Like I used to watch him play when. he went to Beasley. I knew who Derek. Rose was. You know what I'm saying? From. Beasley to Simeon, you feel me? Like. >> that's why I felt like it it just made. it like any kid from Chicago they dream. like you could do it. We really watched. D Rose do it and become one of the. greatest point guards to ever play in. the NBA. >> Youngest MVP. >> He just gave us so much hope in Chicago. You feel what I'm saying? Then you got. to think about it. I was born in '95. So. I ain't really get to see Jordan play. I. saw highlights. I seen Derek Rose in.

real time. >> Yeah, you're right about that. >> So that's what I meant by let me. clarify. >> Yeah, cuz people like, "But hold on, bro. How you going to say D Rose?" But I. I get what you're saying because you're. talking about a guy from Chicago. >> grew up poor bro and became one of the. biggest to ever play the game in my. opinion. >> What is Dro's trajectory if he doesn't. get hurt? If he doesn't hurt that knee. >> and we saw him become the youngest MVP. in NBA history. So his trajectory was.

like. >> Mhm. >> Now he Hey, he's a phenomenal player but. I still think we were robbed of him at. his absolute prime. >> Absolutely. We definitely got robbed of. Derrick Rose. You know what I'm saying? It's like that's why we so passionate. about it cuz we know what it would have. been if he didn't hurt himself. Like you. can't tell me that Derrick Rose wouldn't. have left the NBA without no rings. You. feel what I'm saying? Before he hurt. himself, you know, because he was just. so good. They would have especially what. the NBA is now and what it was what it. was becoming. Like they would have built. a team around him. He would have had a. dynasty around him for real. For real.

Like. >> every You can't tell nobody in Chicago. that Dan Rose is not top three point. guard ever still. You feel what I'm. saying? Like, and that's that's how I. feel about him. Like, for sure. >> What is it about hoopers and athletes. want to be rappers? Rappers want to be. >> hoopers and and football players. What. what what is the combination? What is. the common thread? What is the fabric. that tie these together? >> I think it's just like the cool it.

factor. You feel what I'm saying? Like. the the the lifestyle that rappers that. artists live is like is glamorized. is. looked upon as like fun. And athletes. >> really like they life is discipline, structure, yes. Gym, workouts, and. truth. Like, you know, the the athlete. that go to the club and party like a. artist, he get criticized the most. You. know what I'm saying? But at the end of. the day, >> I feel like they just want to have that. kind of fun because. >> they really got more money than us. You.

know what I'm saying? Like they got more. money than us, but we having more fun, right? Right. >> So, it's like I feel like that's the. whole like thing that tie to each other. And. >> you got to think about like just the. motivation and inspiration that we give. them with our music and our art. You. know what I'm saying? Them working out. in the gym, listening to it and get them. in their mode. Like it's certain songs. that you listen to like I'm going to go. score 40 tonight. You know what I'm. saying? Like I think that's really like. the. >> bridge in between it. And a lot of. artists like myself, we had hoop dreams.

or football dreams before we did it. So. it's like we look up to them too because. >> they are what we wanted to be but it. ain't work out. You know what I'm. saying? Like rap was our plan B. You. feel me? They plan A work. >> If if I gave you a choice say you know. what you could have went to the NBA or. you be the rapper. Would you trade your. career your rap career to be in the NBA? >> No. NO. >> WELL, DAMN. WHAT YOU. >> I wouldn't because I feel like early on. I thought that's what I was like. destined to do. But I really feel like. I'm living in my purpose now. like with. all the people that I influence and what.

my music is. It's not really just like. rap for me. Like the greatest feeling. that I get from this is when people tell. me like you changed my life, bro. Wow. >> You got me through this situation. Like. my brother passed, my grandmother, my. dad passed, and like if it wasn't for. your music, I don't even know where I. would be or what I would be doing. And. don't get me wrong, you could you could. influence those kind of people through, you know, uh, sports and stuff like. that, but I just feel like I was really. meant to be who I am right now.

>> Right. >> All right. Hoot rappers, you, JCole, Savage, Drake. >> Yeah. >> Dave East, Breezy. Now, it's reported. that you beat Drake and Savage. >> Yeah, we did. >> No, no, Drake times in a row. >> Hold on. Drake like I I've seen video I. haven't seen it with my own eyes but I. watched him in the video and Drake got. game. >> Drake can shoot the net off that. [ __ ] for sure. >> And you beat. play the five on five. Yeah. Drake and. Savage on the same team. >> Oh your team beat his team. >> Yeah, we beat them for sure like four or.

five times. >> Damn. >> Yeah, for sure. And we'll do it again. >> Y'all had. Yeah. >> Y'all had some money on the line. >> We ain't even play for no money. We was. just playing for fun for the sport. We. just really. >> They probably take it serious next time. We got money on the wood. >> Yeah. Now we put that money on the wood. for sure. We could play for that money. They got a lot of us. >> You trying to give up? >> Yeah. Yeah, we could play for sure. But. no, that's my dog, man. 21. That's my. brother Drake, my homie. We was just at. the crib vibing and hooping and [ __ ]. >> Yeah, we beat they ass like four, five.

times in a row. For sure. >> So, who whose idea was it to get them? Man, y'all Okay, y'all in there, y'all. talking. Y'all doing your thing. Y'all. probably in the studio, man. Somebody. started talking, man. Hey, bro. Hey, you. know how it be. Like, everybody got them. dreams. They get the whooping like, "All. right, man. Come on. Suit up." Like it. was one of them to the court. >> Suit up. Everybody come on. Suit up. For. sure. Like [ __ ] bringing hoop shoes. Like what size you wear? You wear nine. All right. Go give me bring me another. nine. You know what I'm saying? Like. [ __ ] like that. For sure. >> Now I don't know about y'all really, but. I've seen Chris Brown. Chris Brown could.

really really. >> nice. He nice too. We played Chris Brown. in the Crew League. We lost though. >> Yeah. Yeah. I figured I figured that. I. was going to say that, but I figured. >> No, we lost the breezy team for sure. Every time we went to the crew league, we made it to the finals, though. We. always made it to the championship. There's been a lot of talk and I know. you didn't probably get an opportunity. to see him at at his prime. I did. Michael Jackson. A lot of people say. Chris Brown is the greatest entertainer. >> ever. That title has been bestowed to. Michael for a very long time now. We.

know when it comes to album sales, record sales. Nobody's going to be able. to approach Mike. He's a he that that's. first of all, they don't sell vinyls. They don't sell records like that. anymore. So that's null and boy. But do. you believe that Chris Brown is the. greatest entertainer? I feel like. there's nobody closer to Michael Jackson. than Chris Brown, >> right? >> Honestly, like for real, for real. And. just seeing it with my own eyes, you. know, and just seeing like. >> who he is as a person and putting your. whole everything into your craft, you. know what I'm saying? Like he really.

like. >> it's mind-blowing seeing him on stage. like having all that energy, hormones, hits like. >> being in shape where you could do 30. flips back to back. You know what I'm. saying? Like. >> Yeah. two hours, two and a half hours of. that night tonight and. >> that's insane for 50 nights in a row and. then you could go do it again. You could. go do it out the country and you could. do it in the States. You feel what I'm. saying? Like yeah, Breezy definitely in. my opinion is the closest thing to. Michael Jackson for sure. >> How was it working with Breezy? So. what's he like in the studio? What's it. like? You know, you like you said he's.

an un phenomenal performer. He can sing. He can dance. There's not a I mean I. don't even know if he got bones in his. body. The way he can get his body to do. all that stuff. My knee's hurting. I'm. going have to get my knees replaced just. watching them videos. I already got my. hips replaced. >> You know, like some people just like. have that it factor. You feel what I'm. saying? Like some people is really like. >> God really put their hands on you and. just made you this everything you do. You feel what I'm saying? In that in. that field. And that's the same thing. with like with him in the studio. Like.

the way he record is second nature. when. he in his comfort zone like he want you. to come pull up on him, come to the. crib, come where I'm at, right? And like. like just vibe and it's going it's going. to like. >> it's going to have the same outcome. every time. You feel what I'm saying? Like he not going to miss. It's just. what he do. You feel me? Like and when I. seen that like it's only certain people. that I ever seen in my life who I feel. like are just like. amazing at making music. You feel what. I'm saying? And that's that's Chris. Brown, Juicew World, Future, Meek Mill,

and Thug. Those are the only people that. I really seen with my own ass like this. [ __ ] really is second nature to them. You know what I'm saying? Like, and it. inspired me to like. >> get better. >> You guys like I got to step my game up, B. >> It inspired me to like just cuz I'm like. a sponge though. When I watch people do. certain things, I pick up from, you know. what I'm saying? The way they record and. their patterns like, you feel what I'm. saying? Like I'll give you example like. Meek Mill. He. freestyle a bunch of different flows and. like cadences until he just find that.

one that he the most comfortable with. and just go off of that. You know what. I'm saying? And Pluto do the same thing. for real in his own way. It's like he. just keep on like he just edit. He just. spin [ __ ] It sound like he mumbling at. first, but then when you hearing it all. put together, that [ __ ] sound like. amazing. And I seen Juice World do the. same thing with his music. Like Juice. used to I've never seen nobody do what. Juice World do though. Juice would rap a. full song in one take, like without. punching in. Like he would rap a really.

a full song or hook, two verses all in. one take without stopping and stop and. rap another song completely different on. the same beat one take. He'll do it at. least three, four times. >> Damn. >> And just picked his favorite one. >> Like I never seen nobody do that in my. life ever. >> So what? Look, I've had a lot of people. on the show and it's like, you know, Hoveve, you play Hov a beat, Hov is in. the back. He's real quiet. He's just. nodding his head. >> Mhm. >> Then he go in, boom, do his thing. Face.

said like while he's listening to the. beat, he's writing. >> Wayne don't write anything down. He just. go drop the track. >> What's your style? >> Um, I'm kind of like a mixture between. like what Hoveve and what Wayne do. Like. I'm I'm quiet like Southside. Uh, Southside, that's my brother, man. He. been producing me since I was 16 years. old. Like I didn't heard him like like. you know how you be focused. I'm. >> thinking in my head like that's how I do. in my head. I don't write I haven't. wrote no song in probably four or five.

years for real. >> Um so it's like I just be in there. vibing in my off the top of my head. I'm. saying the lyrics in my head though. Like I'm thinking of it at least the. first four to eight bars. Then I go in. and whatever I memorize I say. And from. there just pick on and punch in like. like how Wayne do. Right. But I'm. talking about Southside. I heard him say. like because they'll be in there making. a beat and I'll just be like nodding and. they be like, "Yeah, somebody asked like. when he going to go in there." He like, "Bro, he rapping already in his head.". Like he already. >> Wow. >> He like he noticed that I I did that.

before I even was noticing. Like I just. thinking [ __ ] But he like you always do. that. Like I just be in there vibing in. my head and you would think I'm. listening to the beat but I'm actually. rapping like my first four to eight bars. at least and I go in there. So you're. not really paying attention to what the. beat is doing. You're thinking about. what you going to say over that. >> Exactly. Exactly. Like so as they making. the beat and they producing, like I'm. just letting them do them cuz I know. they going to add more to it regardless. So it's like once I hear a sound or a. loop, I know if I want to rap on a beat. the first four seconds of it. You feel.

what I'm saying? Like I know how I want. to come into it. So it's like I'll be in. my head just thinking of stuff, thinking. the flows. And it don't take me long. Maybe after like 15 minutes or. something, I'm ready to go rap. >> Damn. So you don't get you don't get. distracted because if I'm like thinking. about something I'm you know man be. quiet. Come on man. Damn. >> No. Hell no. >> You need that. >> Yeah I do. I love that type of energy. and I I think I grown into that artist. where it's like sometimes I might you. know want to be in the studio by myself. But majority of the time, nine times out.

of 10 I want at least 10 15 people in. the studio. >> That's what I was going to ask because. some like no bro I I want it quiet. Some. guys, look, I want I want to fire up and. I want I want chaos. I want people just. running around doing whatever y'all do. Hey, cuz that don't impact me. Let's get. at it. >> Inspire my music though. So, it's like a. conversation that we might be having in. this room. I might think of something. and it inspire me to like put it on the. song. You feel what I'm saying? So, it's. like I actually like when it's a lot of. people and people be loud and talking. and laughing and [ __ ] Don't bother me.

at all. Can you turn your mind off? Because you know I I've heard M says. that like when he was in it he's like. every time he was just thinking of. something that rhyme rhyme kick tick. flick mick. Do you turn your mind off? Are you constantly trying to think of. things that rhyme? >> Um no I don't. And you know, I actually. changed my whole style of like rap a few. years ago cuz one of my closest friends, my best friend [ __ ] he told me like, "Bro, I've watched you rap from your very.

first times in the studio till now." And. I know like when you thinking too hard. about stuff like I don't even think. about metaphor, stuff that rhyme. I. don't think about stories I need to. tell. He said just go in there and vibe. to the beat, bro. That's when you make. your hardest [ __ ] like okay. >> he told me like every time you overthink. and one time I did a song me and 21. Savage was in the studio and this was. like this is probably like 4 years ago. >> and he like bro you thought too hard. about that verse like you could have.

went way crazy and I was in my head. thinking like I didn't really like the. verse for real. >> I was already thinking like I didn't. really like it I felt like I was. frustrated thinking about too much [ __ ]. because at that moment it's like 21 so. big as an artist I want put my hardest. [ __ ] on this. You feel what I'm saying? He called me to the studio to jump on. it. So, I'm thinking like I got to get. my fire ass verse and I shouldn't have. been thinking like that. I should have. just been like, I'm going to just do me. just go in there. And when he told me. that, >> I never thought hard about my music. again. And I feel like I just got better.

and better. >> Is that common? Like you on a beat and. you know like they got some other five. they got heat on that thing so you like. I ain't going to be because you know. it's natural. They going to compare man. who had who had the hardest verse on. that track. >> Absolutely. For sure. And you like all I. know I might not be the hardest but that. damn sure ain't going to say I'm the. weakest. >> Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah. Like I go in with. that mentality already. Like all right. but I don't think about what I'mma say. Like whatever's going on on the song I. might just listen to the the vibe, the. hook or like I barely listen to their.

verses. Once I listen to the hook and a. little bit of the verse, I just go in. there and just start rapping and that. [ __ ] come out. Like and you know what it. is? I'm a real like critical thinker. I. think a lot. I I can't really turn my. mind off to stop thinking. >> So it's like when I get in my zone, I. just like rap and say whatever come to. me right at that moment. I'm like what I. mean by so if I could like make it make. more sense for you is as an artist. instead of thinking about the lines as. they come soon as it gets to your brain.

and you start rapping you thinking about. the end of the song like I want to like. you thinking about [ __ ] before it even. come to you like what I'm going to say. next. I don't do that no more. like I. just whatever come to my head and a lot. of times I used to think about like damn. should I say this should I not say this. right. >> how this going to like get how is this. going to like reflect on the world or. certain things I say like damn how is. this going to affect this person I might. be talking about something to somebody. like damn is this going to offend people. like I used to think like that all the. time now I really just don't care like I.

don't even give a about nothing I don't. care how people going to receive it or. anything cuz at the end of the day it's. like this my art this what you feeling. at that time. So, hey, you receive it. how you receive it. But this is how I. feel. >> I go with it. And I feel like once I. started thinking like that, like it's. I'm unstoppable. Like I never get. writer's block or nothing. >> This episode is brought to you by Prize. Picks. You and I make decisions every. day. But on Prize Picks, being right can. get you paid. Don't miss any of the. excitement this football season on Prize.

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lineup. Prize picks. It's good to be. right. If you on a track, do you want to. hear other people's verse on that track. or do you like, "Hey, give me let me let. me come in when I come in and then. whatever happens happen because you know. sometime they might play somebody that's. on the track. They might play that verse. then you hear it and then. >> what if have you ever recorded. >> and then you heard somebody?" No, I got. to do mine over. Hell no. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've done that before. for sure. So I like that's why I like to. hear they [ __ ] first.

>> Okay. I I'm not going to lie. I. definitely like to hear Don't send me no. blank song for someone. I'mma get. offended a little bit. Like I'm going to. get mad cuz I don't do that. You know. what I'm saying? Like I feel like I got. to at least hear your verse to give me. some type of direction. You feel me? Because I could be all over the place. and you on one subject of the song. You. feel what I'm saying? I feel like people. do that intentionally cuz they want to. burn. You want. >> they they want to have the hardest [ __ ]. You feel what I'm saying? When they do. that, I'll be like, "No, hell no. Send. me your verse." You feel what I'm. saying? Or I take long with the verse on.

purpose. You feel what I'm saying? Then. they go ahead and see you there. >> Yeah. I take long with the verse on. purpose and then it's like, "Now I'm. taking my time with it." Cuz sometimes I. will go in the studio and like lay four. bars. Be like, "All right, I'm going to. do another song and then come back to. that song and lay another four bars and. lay eight bars or whatever until I. finish the whole verse." Like I've done. that multiple times. >> He said, "I want to hear what they said. cuz you ain't going to burn me.". >> Yeah. Hell no. Nah, hell no. You got to. send the whole verse like especially if. I know that the song done already. Like, hell no. And I want you to send me. everybody on it. Artists do that too,

though. So, do that. >> Yeah. So, say for instance, um, if I'm. about to do a song with Meek Mill, he'll. send me his verse, but Jakus will be on. the song already, too. So, he wouldn't. send me the. >> No, not us. >> I'm not saying him personally, but. artist. like it'll be other people on the song, but they not sending their verses. like, "No, I need to hear everybody that's on. this [ __ ] song right now before I lay. my shit.". >> But so, let's just say for the sake of. argument, you got four guys on a song. Um, do you m do it does it matter to you.

which sequence you go? Are you first, you second? You third, you finish up. How does that who who determines the. order the sequence in which? >> Um, I feel like whoever song it is and. and just like rapper etiquette, whoever. got the hardest verse have to go last. First or last, you can't really go in. the middle. You know what I'm saying? So, I don't really mind though. I don't. be caring cuz I be feeling like I'm. going to have. >> you got that fire anyway. So, it don't. matter. >> And and a lot of times they put me last. on the verse for sure. >> I'm usually always last. I'm either.

first or last for sure. >> Okay. Let's go back to the beginning. You said you was born in Chicago, east. side of Chicago. Obviously, you talked. about having homies and and and people. that you knew and you grew up with not. make it. >> as far as you did. >> What was that culture like? the the gang. culture. When did you realize that? You. man, my life different. >> Yeah. >> Than a lot of people that's my age that. look like me, they don't have to. experience what I'm experienced. When. did you realize that where you were.

definitely was going to impact what you. became? um when I started traveling like. when I started to actually see other. places and go to other cities and I. started traveling doing shows when I was. like 17 years old like. >> going to Rhode Island and going to like. Boston and seeing like damn this [ __ ]. totally different it's hoods everywhere. don't get me wrong. >> correct. >> even even like other cities in the. Midwest like you feel what I'm saying. Minnesota and [ __ ] like everybody got. they hoods it's all like trenched out.

dangerous but Chicago is just totally. different and and stuff that I grew up. seeing, I thought it was normal because. everybody was doing that. Like, you feel. what I'm saying? Like you going to. school like I seen my first guns and. [ __ ] at school. Like, you feel me? >> People going to school and having guns. on them. I'm in fifth grade, sixth. grade, you know what I'm saying? They. having to dip them [ __ ] off. And then. you look up at time you were eighth. grade, we got metal detectors cuz [ __ ]. know that. You know what I'm saying? People that brought guns to school and. [ __ ] like. my first home. Like I it it was like it.

didn't dawn on me that my life was so. different and so chaotic until I started. to see people from other places and um. like having conversations with people. that was older than me that didn't. really like that grew up in Chicago but. didn't grow up how we grew up that. wasn't in the streets. You feel what I'm. saying? Like I lost some of my first. friends when I was in like sixth grade. Like that's when I started seeing people. get killed and murdered and [ __ ] like. all right bet I with bro he went to my.

school we used to chop it up. >> and we come back to school next day like. yeah so and so got killed you feel me. like. >> was that your first experience with. death when you're in like the sixth. grade. >> with with death with people getting. killed like murders. Yeah for sure like. sixth grade fifth grade [ __ ] like that. where it's like somebody who you know. cuz I had older older cousins and and. brothers and [ __ ] that went to my. school. I got an older brother and I got. older cousins and it was like. >> we was deep. It was probably like nine. of us that went to that school. So like. their friends and in their grade you.

seeing people they hang out with like. damn he just got killed. You feel what. I'm saying? And they come back to. school, people sad, talking some other. [ __ ] and it's like. >> it was so normal like people just went. on with their day and then maybe a few. months later this person got killed, you. know? And it's like I didn't really like. it didn't hit home for me until I got in. like seventh and eighth grade when I. started to like people who I knew and. looked up to started to get killed. You. know what I'm saying? It was all. >> like behind like street [ __ ] gang [ __ ].

You feel what I'm saying? It wasn't no. accidental [ __ ] It's like damn, you. were. >> It was no car wreck. It was n somebody. in. >> somebody had a illness, leukemia, cancer, something like that. >> No. Hell no. Like somebody intentionally. killed you. So it's like it get to a. point where. you like damn I don't I can't become a. victim of this [ __ ] You feel what I'm. saying? So. >> that's what I wanted to ask you. >> Yeah. >> You said east side is is is big. >> but. >> you didn't see anybody. >> big. It's really small time. >> But let me ask you this. Did you know.

anybody from the east side that had made. it out and became successful doing. something? Because it's hard. >> being from rural South Georgia. We. didn't see anybody. We didn't know. anybody that had made it to the NFL or. we didn't have anybody come back and. talk to us and give us pep talks and say. you could become this. You know, all we. saw was advertising uh military looking. for a few good men. I ain't it. >> You know what I'm saying? So, I'm I'm. trying to get I'm trying to get up out. of there, but that that's not the route. I'm trying to go. So, when did you make. it up in your mind say, you know what, >> I see all this death happening around.

me. >> I ain't going that route. Mhm. Probably. when I I dropped out of school. Like I. was still rapping and going to school. and I had like a little hood fame and. notoriety. You feel what I'm saying? So. it's like. >> by the time I was 16 years old, people. actually really know my name. >> Okay. >> But at the same time, I was in the. streets. So that was bad as well. You. feel what I'm saying? It's like. >> now it's to a point where I'm rapping. I. got videos on YouTube that got 20,000, 30,000 views, 40,000, 100,000 views.

It's picking up like for real. like. really picking up and those 100,000. coming from other cities and stuff like. that too, but the majority of it is. coming from Chicago. So it's like I'm. becoming a household name in Chicago. You feel what I'm saying? But I'm still. going to school. >> So it's like, oh yeah, >> but he go to that school, we about to. come up to that school and get this. You. know what I'm saying? Like yeah, [ __ ]. was coming up to my school like looking. for me and [ __ ] And I was like I was. always like smart. I was steps ahead of. everybody. Like I never like really rode.

the bus for real. But like after when I. got popping, like my freshman year, yeah, I could get on the bus. But by the. time I was a sophomore, I dropped out my. sophomore year. Okay. By the time I was. a sophomore, it's like I had to get. dropped off from school by my homies. Had to get picked up from school by my. homies. Like my mama couldn't drop me. off and pick me up at school because I. didn't want to put my mom in harm's way. You feel me? Like I never used to drop. my sister off when I had a car. I never. took her to school. I never put her in. the car with me because I knew the. reality of my life. Like my car really. could get shot up for real and I didn't. want to have my mama or my sister in the.

car. So, it's like when I dropped out of. school, I'm like, "Bro, >> I got to really do this [ __ ] for real.". Like, I really like I made a promise to. my mom and dad, you know, um. >> my little brother little Greg who passed. away. His his bae mama told me a. conversation that I had with my dad. I I. didn't remember. And like he was arguing. with me, yelling at me like, "Man, you. dropping out of school? Like, what you. going to be a flunky like one of these. niggas?" I'm like, "No, I'm about to. rap. This [ __ ] about to work." He like, "What's your plan B?" I'm like, "Ain't. no plan B. This [ __ ] about pops. It's. going to work. I'm telling you. like I'm.

about to really do it. So at that age, I'm 16, 17 years old, I really like have. a lot of responsibility on me because. like, all right, you not going to. school. You not going to sit around this. house either and just be around this. [ __ ] getting high eating up all the. food. You better go do something and go. get some money. You know what I'm. saying? That's the type of time like, you know, my mom and everybody was on. like, "All right, so what you going to. do?" And man, thank God that it actually. started to pick up fast. You feel me? Like I dropped out of school maybe 6.

months later or 8 months later when I. was going into my junior year, Nicki. Minaj called my phone for a feature. You. feel me? So it's like. >> it started to pick up early on, you. know? And. >> in the midst of all of that, >> people was dying around me, a lot of my. closest friends. So it's like I had to. still maneuver through that because I. was still living in Chicago. You know. what I'm saying? It's like. >> and when you young, you know, my brain. wasn't even fully developed yet for. real. So, I'm still thinking I could go.

you've been young. You invincible. >> Yeah. I thought I was invincible for. real. Like, I ain't going to lie. And I. at the same time, let me rephrase that. Like, I knew I wasn't, but I didn't. care. I was willing to like put my life. on the line and do certain [ __ ] where. it's like, I go to this store, I go to. the gas station, I'm willing to really. like. >> pull my gun out and protect myself. You. feel what I'm saying? at any given. moment. And that's really like that's. crash out [ __ ]. >> Yeah, for sure. >> Cuz it m first of all, if you got to go. somewhere and you got to carry a gun,

you already know. >> Yeah. >> You already know it's still you a real. OG. Cuz like my uncles used to say that. like, "Bro, if I got to carry a gun, I. don't even want to go there.". >> No, cuz you already looking for. something to pop off. >> We used the complete opposite. Like I'm. carrying it everywhere. Like every. single way I go. Like we used the. complete opposite of that. You feel what. I'm saying? Like I don't want to go. nowhere. I can't carry a gun. >> Oh lord. >> That's how I used to think for real. like you going you hey you hoping. something jump off. >> Yeah. No, I used to think like that for. real man. It's like but it was only. because you got to think about it like. death was at a alltime high where I'm.

from like. >> so many of my friends by the time I was. like when I met my my first manager um. Mickey who's still my manager to this. day. Um when I met him he made me like. he just always thought outside the box. He like, "Man, I'm about to paint this. picture like you know y'all's story. You. being from the hood and excuse me um. being in the streets and losing homies. at 14, 15, 16." He like, "Man, I want to. do a mirror like write your homies down.

Your closest homies that passed away, you feel me?" Like he thought it was. probably going to be three, four, like. it was like 20 people on the wall, 17. people or some [ __ ] like that on the. wall that we spray painted. We lost room. and it blew his mind. He like, "God. damn." Like, "You really know them many. people dead?" I'm like, "Yeah, hell. yeah." Like, and that's all in a matter. of. >> four years. Three or four years. >> Yeah. [ __ ] like that. >> Do you remember how old you were when. you got your first gun?

>> Probably like 14. 14. Yeah. Hell yeah. I. remember. I bought it myself. >> I mean, normally, you know, people try. to get like PlayStation or Xboxes and. stuff like that. I mean, you getting. that tool and you you didn't think it. like. >> you thought it would was it cool to you. or do you feel like man this is this is. a necessary part of the outfit? >> Hell no. I needed it like for real like. leaving out of the house going to. certain places. You got to think like I. said east side big but it's small. So. >> I live right here my auntie live eight.

blocks this way. My best friend live. five six block this way. It's like I. when I ain't have no transportation I. got to walk to the house or catch the. bus. You never know who you going to. see. >> So you got that thing on you? Hell yeah. Y'all bought my first gun when I like. 14. >> So what happened? What happened to know. we grew up? We grew up throwing these. things. >> We grew up fighting too. >> But then it was over with. >> But then nobody like taking no ass. >> Nobody want to get their ass. >> So cuz especially now cuz it's on the. internet and forever. So you take a L. and now I got to go get I got to go get. get back.

>> That's another thing like I'm not even. being funny. I ain't joking. Like me and. all my homies like knew how to fight. We. really used to whoop [ __ ] ass. So it's. like they used to get mad and they. started shooting at us first. For real. For real. to be honest. Like we like. every all my homies know how to fight. >> My big brother, he know how to fight. good as you feel what I'm saying? My big. cousins know how to fight good as and I. was the youngest. They used to beat me. up all the time. So it's like I grew up. fighting my whole life and then you got. to think I'm light-skinned. [ __ ] used. to pick on. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got to get it. They don't do that. >> [ __ ] used to pick me play with me.

Yeah. Call me soft pretty boy. My name. Herbert. They used to call me Hershey. >> Ah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You right now. You. do life get your name Herbert. Oh yeah. You got to double. >> have to fight a lot like all the time. You feel what I'm saying? So it's like I. grew up knowing how to fight. But it got. to a point where it's like ain't nobody. going to just let you just beat them up. You feel me? They going to want to do. something to you. >> Yeah. >> It got to a point with me where it's. like I don't even got enough love for. you to be fighting you cuz I know if I. whoop you going to try to shoot me. anyway. I might as well just skip to the. get down. We might as well just we going.

to do. >> you like hey in the beginning the end. You ain't got no middle part. >> I felt like that was that was just what. was going on, man. I ain't going to lie. to you, >> but you make a Then you got shot. >> Yeah. >> At 16. >> Mhm. >> Walk us through that day. Wake up like, "Hey, man, sun's out with I mean, cuz. sometimes people can like, man, I just. >> I mean, I've had things happen to me, man. >> It was a good day up until that part, too. It was a good ass day. I ain't.

gonna lie. Like, I had I was fresh as. brand new outfit. my head on like true. religion, Louis belt, leader's hoodie, leader's hat, wheat Timlins. Um, >> you know what's so crazy? I'm going to. tell you a funny story, too. >> So, I had a a um a photo shoot with uh I. think it was Elevator magazine at the. time, and I was shooting like content. for my first mixtape, Welcome to Faso. Land. So, I was downtown feeling good, nice fit on, you feel me? Like dressed.

up, smoking, and just chilling. Like I. had a great day, great photo shoot. So. like I'm like it was in the middle of. the summer too. Damn, it's hot outside. You feel me? I'm done with the shoot. probably about 6:00. I'm like, "Oh, y'all know for sure the block busting. right now. It's too many people out. there. It's hot. I know it is.". >> So, but fast forward that day, I'm going. to tell you like uh the templates I had. on, I couldn't I didn't have no time to. go to um it's a store called DTL, like. right by my grandma house. I didn't have.

time to go there and go get me no. Timlins. So my little brother had a. fresh pair of Tims in the crib. I'm. like, "Man, let me get these Tims, bro.". Like, he hell no, man. You go get your. own Tims. Like, I'm not giving it to. you, >> man. Bro, I'm going to give you 150 for. the shoes right now. That's what Tim's. like $100 or some [ __ ] like that. I'm. like, I'm about to give you 150 for the. shoes, bro. Just let me get them. He. still, no. No. Hell no. I want to I'm. going to put my Tims on. So, I wind up. like. >> kind of like strong arming them out of. them and still getting the money like, "Bro, give me these damn shoes." Right. I get shot in the shoes. I got shot in.

the foot. He was like once he he was. crying, right? My his bae mama told me. like, >> "Yeah, Herb got shot.". >> I'm going still tell you the story like. how it happened, but I'm just saying. this part. He like, "Yeah, Herb got shot. on the phone crying and shit." So he. wind up found out he was good like that. I was good. He didn't know at first, you. feel me? So on Twitter, like I was. famous a little bit when I got shot. So. they on Twitter talking about the [ __ ]. When he found out I was good and I got. shot in the foot, this [ __ ] [ __ ] was. only mad about his shoes. He got a hole in his TM. >> He can't. He He only mad about the shoes.

now after I paid him for them and. everything. Man, [ __ ] YOU DIDN'T GOT. SHOT IN MY TMS. LIKE [ __ ] like that. Like that's not like a [ __ ]. >> They're my T. I paid you for it. >> Yeah. Like come on, bro. For real. But. matter of fact, you know what it was? I. was on He was so on some petty [ __ ] He. wasn't even going to battle. I I think I. let him finesse me. I gave him the the. money and still told him like, "Bro, I'mma give your teams back. like you can. I'm going to wham to the shoot and I'm. going to give your shoes back. So that's. why he was mad like [ __ ] you supposed. to gave my [ __ ] back then got shot at.

>> But anyway, so look it was a hot like I. said a hot summer day. I go outside on. my block. >> and we out there deep like deep deep. probably like 50 60 of us. You know what. I'm saying? And my hood was like packed. So it's like we'll be posted up on one. block probably 20 30 people girls. Then. we on the whole next block, 20, 30. people, girls, like and just rotating, walking back and forth from stores. It. was one of them type of vibes. And we. just out there chilling with a bunch of. girls and [ __ ] And you know, it's so.

crazy like two of my homies had walked. up on the corner and told me like, "Hey, I just seen some [ __ ] riding with. hoodies on and [ __ ] like, you feel what. I'm saying? They f to come right through. here." You feel me? Like he gave us a. warning and everything and told me like, "Move around. Stand from right here.". One of my homies who passed away, long. live my homie Cap, man. Marvin car. He. got he got like two girls right there. I. think he talking to and I was talking to. one of the girls at the time and another. girl that was right there was one of my.

hom one of the guys who warned me my. homie. It was his baby mama at the time. So when he like man move around from. right here. Like he telling us move. around. You feel what I'm saying? And. they f to go on the next block and just. like secure the area cuz they on point, right? >> But my homie on some cocky [ __ ] like man. them [ __ ] like let him come. You feel. what I'm saying? And in the back of my. mind, I knew they weren't lying. I'm. like, "No, them [ __ ] f to come right. here." So I told the girls like, "Y'all. move around. Just go to the corner type. shit.". >> And they moved around. But we never.

moved. We never like, >> "Well, damn. You gave them a hands up. and you didn't heed your own warning.". >> Yeah. I ain't I just we just stayed. right there like and you know it's so. crazy like when it happened we all was. before it happened I mean we all was. like on this one block and the police. pulled up right there and and did some. [ __ ] like. >> everybody li like they didn't even hop. out in Fris cuz they was like everybody. lift your shirt up and just like to make. sure we ain't had no guns on [ __ ] lift. our shirt up. >> and I went around the block and lo and.

behold soon as I get to the corner after. I told the girls to move. [ __ ] just pulled up shooting and I got. hit and like me and like eight other of. my homies like nine of us got hit. That. [ __ ] was on newspaper article like. >> damn. >> Yeah. Some crazy [ __ ] for sure. Yeah. Like nine of us got shot that. >> then. You wish you'd had that thing on. you, wouldn't you? >> No, I ain't going to lie. Of course. For. sure. But I ain't going to lie. I'm. I'mma keep it a buck with you for real. For real. When that [ __ ] happened, when. the police pulled right there, I threw. my gun like on a like like in a in a. field under somewhere. I had it on me 35.

seconds before it happened. Like, you. feel me? >> Y'all saw them coming. So, you got. >> you saw the police coming. >> Yeah. You got rid of. >> Yeah. And then they walked up like on. some lift y'all shirt up. But to be. honest though, I feel like it was like. some [ __ ] where like a might have called. the police like, "Oh yeah, they right. there standing with guns so we could. >> get dispersed or whatever and then come. around and do what they did type shit.". You feel what I'm saying? Like I feel. like it was a situation like that. >> Yeah. Was that the moment that you. realized, you know what, I'm get I'm get.

it so I can't act. I'm I'm somebody now. because like you said, your music has. started to take off. You're not the. You're not the same. >> I'm going to be completely honest with. you, man. Hell no. I was right back. >> You were looking for some. >> I was right back out there, man. I I got. shot. I probably went out there the next. day or the day after that with a boot on. my leg just outside standing. >> looking for hoping they come back. Ain't. it? No, not even that. It was just like. not caring. Like really just not caring.

if they come back for real. You know. what I'm saying? Like because we I mean. it's not like we was oblivious to it. Like we knew possibly like, "Yeah, [ __ ]. come back through this [ __ ] shoot. It's. a war zone. It's hot." You feel what I'm. saying? Come through this [ __ ] shooting. at any day. But. >> I wasn't worried about I wasn't scared. You feel what I'm saying? Like and. like I said, I right before I got shot, I did have a gun on me. I threw it. You. feel what I'm saying? when the police. came. So, it's like even when I was back. out there the next day, I was back out. there with a boot, can't run, but got. guns on me still. Like, >> but but ain't nobody lose their life.

during that day. >> No, not that day. Nope. No. >> They just got People just got hit. >> Yeah. Yeah. Nobody lost their life for. sure. But, uh nine of us like got shot. that day for sure. That [ __ ] made the. news and everything like. >> Damn. How many was in the car? Four, five. >> What? The. >> in the car that came they roll through. >> Yeah. Yeah. They came. >> Well, they came spreading. They get that. many. >> The boys came hot. The boys came hot. Damn, man. I just. You told a story like, you know what? You're like, you realize that you know. what? I'm not the same guy anymore.

>> And me not being the same guy anymore, I. can't pe put people that I love in. harm's way. Mom, you ain't driving me to. school no more. Little sis, you not I'm. not dropping you off to school. The. homies that this is what we this is who. we are. >> We good with it. Whatever happened to. us, I can live with that. But if. something were to happen to my mom or. sister, I'm really going to go crazy and. some stuff going really I'm it's never. going to end. Cuz if you get my mom or. my sister, it's never going to end. >> So I'm not even I don't got nothing to. live for at that point for sure. So it's. like yeah, I understood that early. Like.

I never put my mom in a car, my aunties, my grandmother, my nobody ever got in a. car with me and I never got in a car. with them. Like I would rather just wait. all day until somebody pick me up before. I desperately tell my mom to drop me off. somewhere. You feel me? Wow. >> And I done did that many many of times, you know. And. >> the first thing I did when I got some. real money, the very first thing I did. was bought my mama a house far far far. away. Like, >> right, >> super far. Like I move my mama like 40. minutes away from the hood, you know?

And nobody never knew where she lived. Like only probably three of my closest. friends ever been in my mama house still. to this day, you feel me? So I always. been one of the kind of people just. like, you know, protect family. My dad. taught me that. Like. >> I come from a two parent household. So. my pops always told me like protect your. family no matter what you got going on. You feel me? And. >> my parents always like. >> trusted me enough to just make good. decisions. Like although I was in the. streets and I had like [ __ ] going on, they trusted me to never bring it back.

to my house. You feel what I'm saying? And like. >> I took that real serious. >> You mentioned that you were in the. street. You come from a two parent. household. your dad, your mom ever say, "Son, son, you don't have to do that.". >> Um, I think I was just too far gone. >> You weren't trying to hear that. >> I was Yeah, I was too far gone. Like, I'm not going to lie. And I always been. like real strongheaded. Like, and my. dad, he know me. Like me and him the. same sign and everything. So, like once. I was already in it, all they could. really do is tell me just be smart for. me. Like, it it was I was too too late.

>> You went to high school with King. Vaughn? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Von probably wasn't a. one or two his ass saying come back to. school. >> Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I definitely went. to high school with Mondo. >> Well, so what so what so what was it? So. I mean obviously say you went to school. not not very long but when you what was. your what was your thoughts when you. first met him? >> Mhm. I actually. I had already known like who Von was. before school because we got like mutual.

friends and my homie like I said one of. my best friends [ __ ] he from the projects. that got knocked down. >> and a lot of those people from like Von. Hood like Oblak and [ __ ] like that they. from those projects. >> Okay. >> So like they had already like known each. other and we done been around each other. many of times. So it's like I already. like Levon and knew him like and knew. like what he was about like bro is the. real deal for real. >> Oh he's on that type of time for real. >> No for sure. So like. >> is that true that say hey they said I. mean I be reading I don't know if it's.

true or not but I be hearing they like. man if if you wouldn't do it v it. I go. do it myself. >> I mean yeah it was a lot of people like. that in Chicago though. Like. >> for real? >> Yeah. Hell yeah. It was a lot of people. But you got to think about it. When you. when you on that type of time, you can't. really like and this is something that's. really true. I feel like if you second. guessing yourself and you you can pull. me up some more, too. >> If you second guessing yourself and you. don't want to do it, just don't do it. You shouldn't do it. You know what I'm. saying? Like, and I believe in that.

Like, >> I wouldn't want to have nobody around me. for real that I got to like question and. second guess cuz that could cost you. your life. For real. For real. Like, somebody will choke up and freeze. >> and cost you your life. So it's like, yeah, for sure. If you wasn't on that. type of time, he didn't even want to. hang with you. I wouldn't want to hang. with you either because like, you really. don't want to do this. Go find you. something else to do. >> This ain't for you. You know what I'm. saying? So it's like, yeah, for sure. For sure. I'm like, that was probably. the first day of school when I seen. Vaughn in there, he walked up to my. homie like, "Hey boy, it's going down in. this." Like, you feel what I'm saying?

Like, he already wants us. Like, boy, y'all be on point here. >> Damn. >> Yeah, for sure. How difficult was it for you to watch. him get murdered on video? >> That [ __ ] broke my heart for sure. Like. I don't like I don't really be. like emotional for real. Like I'm so. numb to death. I'm not a stranger to it. cuz I've been experiencing it my whole. life. But like when he when he died and. seeing that [ __ ] like that [ __ ] really.

like I'm getting emotional right now. thinking about it. Did you hear about it. and then watch the video or did you see. the video first cuz did you get. >> I had No, I had heard about it already. I heard about it the night it happened. You know what I'm saying? Cuz we got so. many mutual friends and [ __ ]. >> got right to me. You feel me? Like as. soon as it happened, I knew probably. like an hour later, you feel me? >> And then I seen the video. >> and yeah, that [ __ ] definitely made me. emotional for sure. like just seeing it. and no matter like and I don't want.

people to like take what I'm saying and. misconfuse it like where we come from. sometimes you just you well not sometime. a lot of times you got to adapt to your. environment like no matter what you. might think somebody did or [ __ ] a [ __ ]. might did like we really be having good. hearts at the end of the day like I. don't care what Van did in the streets. that was a good [ __ ] like a real [ __ ]. you feel what I'm saying it's. Don't get me wrong, I believe in like. universal law. You feel what I'm saying? So it's like how it played out, it.

played out okay. You feel me? You live. by a gun, you die by a gun. You know. what I'm saying? Like a real a real that. come from the streets. Understand? >> Understand that. >> Understand that 100%. But just seeing it. like, you know what I'm saying? Just. seeing like damn, like that [ __ ] I feel. like that wasn't. >> his story. Like, you know what I'm. saying? I feel like it just he had so. much more life, so much more [ __ ] to do. Like, you feel me? I took Van on his. first tour like as a as a main artist. Like he he performed then I performed, you feel me? So it's like I always [ __ ].

with bro. I always believed in him, you. feel me? And like when that [ __ ]. happened, it just like. >> threw me off. It just it just made me. feel like like damn, bro, you can't take. this [ __ ] for granted. Like this [ __ ]. >> Help me. Help me understand. >> Bro, your whole life you thinking and I'm. sure he thought the very same thing. >> I want to get out of this environment. >> He's out. Mhm. >> He's a big rapper. >> Why go back? >> Why do that? Why continue to do that? >> I feel like. >> I'm not even going to feel like like.

this is the truth is just like when that. [ __ ] in you is in you. Like that [ __ ]. just is easy for like you got to really. you got to work harder on not doing. something to somebody than anything. else. You feel what I'm saying? So it's. like I think you feel like when you know. what you capable of, you feel like. somebody playing with you, you would. just do something like it would just. make you. >> how you let them play with you. You're. not even supposed to be in that. environment. Guess what? >> Yeah. >> I make $45 million a year. >> Mhm. >> Aren't you going to surround yourself?

Cuz you don't need to be in that. environment anymore because those that. those guys are no longer on your level. Now you hang around with people that's. on your level. You hang with Meek, you. hang with Future, you hang with Thug, you hang with those type of people, >> bro. I ain't on this no more. >> It's like you gotta It take a little. minute to adjust though. It's not like a. snap of a finger. Van wasn't he wasn't a. millionaire for years. You feel what I'm. saying? Like he still was fresh coming. out the streets. You know what I'm. saying? Like. >> he getting his money, he doing what he.

doing. But. >> it take you a long time to really. process that this is my life, >> right? >> You feel what I'm saying? So it's like. naturally he really still a street [ __ ]. so he going to react like how a street. react. You feel me? Like it took me. years and years to just be like [ __ ]. ain't worth it. Like you feel what I'm. saying? Like I'm about to give you a. scenario. >> I was just in. North Carolina rally some dumb ass [ __ ]. Some [ __ ] walked up on me and like. tried me in the mall like said some [ __ ]. to me like yeah. I'm not even going to like say the. artist or whatever. He walk up to me.

talking about another artist like yeah. um we got this chain. and tell him bad. back like and I'm like what the [ __ ] you. mean? I don't care about that [ __ ] Like. I'm like what the [ __ ] you telling me. for? That's exactly what I said to him. He like. >> yeah um I'm just saying like if he want. to get it tell him get up with us. I. said bro I'm sure they know how to find. y'all and get that [ __ ] back if they. want. And I'm walking off and he said. some [ __ ] like yeah cuz [ __ ] we was. just just just telling you like bro you. a little too aggressive. Like we take.

your [ __ ] I ain't even had no jewelry. on or nothing. I just looked back and. walked off. Like. >> it's that's one of the hardest but you. like. >> that's one of the hardest things to do. to walk away for real. Like you know. what I'm saying? Like I had to grow into. that person where like I know for a fact. I I got 10 shopping bags in my hand. Like I drop these shopping bags and. we'll just tear this whole [ __ ] mall. up. Like for real for real I really do. that with y'all. Two of y'all and it's. two of me and my homie. You feel what. I'm saying? And I had to tell him like. come on we gone, bro. Like it ain't. really worth it. I'm not going to.

>> I don't have no point to prove for real. Like you got to really get me out of my. element or put your hands on me and. cause some physical harm. And I know. that y'all really not on that type of. time because I just turned my back on. y'all and walked off. >> and you walked off. >> So if y'all really wanted to do. something, y'all had. >> if y'all really want to do something. when y'all wouldn't even do no talking. >> Exactly. But it's like when I turned. around, I never looked back. Literally, I never looked back to see if they. following me or nothing. I really made. them part of my whole back. And it's. like that [ __ ] is that's growth. Like I. I never was that person. Like.

>> cuz you never give up your six. >> I was never that person for real. Like. I'm not going to turn around on y'all. I'm not f to just walk off after you. just said you would take my [ __ ] I. would have been like take what? What you. talking about? What you want to do in. here right now? Like I would have kid. not cared about my clothes that I just. bought. None of this [ __ ] You feel what. I'm saying? Like. >> I had to grow into that person. It took. years to do that. You feel what I'm. saying? I'm saying all that to say Van. hadn't became that person yet to just. like let [ __ ] go. [ __ ] sweep it under. the rug. Like. >> he couldn't let that Yeah. Like whatever. whatever was on his mind was on his mind.

where he just felt like, "All right, bet. I'm gonna just go do what I got to. do.". >> Knowing that if you live like that, you got to always always. >> have both eye, not one eye, both eyes. >> Three eyes. >> Are you surprised that somebody they. were able to get the drop on him like. they did? >> No, I'm not. Cuz that's that's just how. [ __ ] happened. You feel what I'm saying? It happened like that in blink of an. eye. like super quick. I didn't seen. that happen a hund times, not just to.

him. >> You feel me? Damn. Right. >> So, no, I wasn't I wasn't surprised at. all. I was. just really just heartbroken by for real. cuz like once it once [ __ ] happen, it's. nothing you could do. Regardless of how. your homies react or whatever, what's. done is done to him is already. >> Yeah. Ain't no coming back from that. >> Exactly. So, it's like when when you. understand that like I didn't seen it so. many times. So it's like I know and this. just my mentality though to be honest. like I always feel like something is.

going to happen to me anyway when I walk. out the house I'm already in fear my. >> man don't put that in why you. >> I don't I don't put I'm not putting it. in the in the air like I don't feel like. somebody going to do something to me but. I just know the possibilities like it. can happen. So that's what keep me on my. squares. You know what I'm saying? Like. I'm not going to get into a fist fight. at a club. I'm not going to get into a. fist fight at the mall. I'm not going to. because I got to get home to my kids. So, it's like I'm already going to go to. the highest level. It's like that's what. I mean by like I'm already feeling like. something is going to happen to me. I'm.

afraid. That's what I'm saying. Like. it's okay to be afraid. I think being. scary is going to get you home every. time. You feel what I'm saying? Like I. don't care about that. Like I tell I'm. scared cuz I'm going to react like I'm. scared. You feel what I'm saying? >> Do you feel even though you've been you. like bro I done moved away from that. That ain't that ain't even my that ain't. now it's in me. Mhm. >> I just want you to know it's in me. >> But I don't want him to come out. I. ain't even want that type of time no. more. >> I don't want to at all. But you got to. And this is the the real up part about.

it though, for real. Like. >> um I feel like when you become that. person, they just pull at you. Like. >> Yeah. >> Especially people who from way they they. they know how to get it out you. >> They know how to get it out you. And. it's like it's a full-time job to like. not react and not crash out. like let. people say stuff, let people say certain. thing because I'm always I always been. the kind of guy like I I really go show. love. Like when I'm back home, I do. events. I do stuff for the kids, for the.

community. You feel what I'm saying? I. go out, I enjoy myself. All my homies. who want to come out, we can go to the. club and do all that kind of stuff. So I. don't respond to negativity because like. I'm outside too much, right? And you. would see me. I don't want to bring that. type of energy on myself. You feel what. I'm saying? So it's like. >> once you see it, you will see stuff. It. might make you upset. You see stuff on. the internet. You want to look at the. comments and all that [ __ ] but you. can't really let it affect you because. you putting it on you. Like you putting. too much of that energy on you or people.

will just try to try you and just make a. name for yourself. You feel I seen it so. many times. >> where it's like, >> yeah, you could change and elevate and. say, "I don't want to be that person no. more." But you got to stay sharp. You. have to. Cuz in the instant. >> in an instant it'll happen. So it's like. you. >> cuz they know you G. They know you bro. That ain't on him. That's in him. >> Yeah. >> He really like that. >> Yeah. >> And so you like go out of your way. >> You got people who are really like know. that and crash cuz they don't got. nothing to live for. Like they like they.

don't really even damn care about their. life that much. So. >> yeah. If he don't give a damn about he. get left. >> Like he want me to do something to him. Damn there. Just so it's like I could my. life up. I could go to jail or possibly. die. Anything. Like people really want. you to stoop down to their level a lot. Like especially coming from Chicago, you. know what I'm saying? Like I see it a. lot. I seen it so many times. And what. I'm saying about like staying sharp is. like you don't have to. become the aggressor in a situation. But.

you got to create boundaries. Like as. soon as somebody cross that line, you. got to take it there. That's the only. way that it's going to really like. resolve in my opinion. Right. >> Somebody cross that line, say certain. [ __ ] Like my mama always told me, somebody tell you they crazy, believe. them. >> So it's like if somebody say something. to me, I'm automatically on radar and. I'm ready to like. >> take it to the highest level because. it's like why you even trying me? I got. to I got to make it home. So we not. going to it's not going to be no in. between either between who goes home. >> Want to take it there. Yeah. If you want. to take it there, we going to take it.

all the way there, man. Or we just not. going to take it there at all. You feel. what I'm saying? >> Gez, man. I mean, we usually like he. crazy like play play crazy or get a. check crazy, you know? They they two. different things. >> No, for sure. No, for sure. That's. definitely like there's two different. kind two different kind like and a lot. of people get a check crazy like a lot. of people really like you know what I'm. saying like and and I seen I know it. like in Chicago it's like. >> that place is different like right. >> anybody the craziest looking person you.

would never think or really do something. to you. >> so it's like you got to just stay on. your. >> but doesn't I get tired. >> yeah hell yeah. >> I mean I mean I mean cuz you uh Um what. was that movie? Uh Bumpy Johnson with a. uh with Whispers and he was. >> um. >> you know the one movie. Yeah. >> And he's like he. >> I'm tired. >> Yes. >> I'm tired. Yeah. That's one of my. favorite movies ever. >> I'm like bro. >> I mean to to like have you ever had a.

peaceful night's sleep? Can you rest? Can you just lay down and like go get in. a rim sleep? >> Mhm. You know, the only time I really. sleep like that is when I'm home with my. girl and my kids. Like for real. Even on. the road. Like I still have nightmares a. lot, bro. Like nightmares. Like sleep. paralysis. Like it be hard for me. Like. my girl be waking me up sometimes. She. like, "Man, what's wrong with you?". Like, "You crying in your sleep? You. jumping?" Like, >> you feel me? Like all of that kind of. stuff. >> And.

>> I hate it though. I'm not going to lie. I don't like it at all. You feel what. I'm saying? And I didn't try at all. You. know, I'm got a real nonprofit where I. give therapy to all types of kids. I. didn't try therapy myself. I still, you. know, believe in therapy and try to have. sessions as much as I can. You feel what. I'm saying? But it's like it don't. really help for real. For real. Especially with like sleep and stuff. like that. Like I got bad insomnia. I'll. be up all night all night. And I might. get a couple hours of sleep. And I feel. like the in my opinion the only way it's.

going to kind of like change I'm going. to have to really retire and not deal. with people and not deal with the [ __ ]. that I deal with on a day long time. >> That's a long time. So it's like I. probably don't get no good night of. sleep until I'm 50 years old. 50 55. years old. I could really like. >> and don't worry about it. And then your. get mad and you don't get no good night. sleep. >> Trust me. You had a friend that uh reportedly was.

killed. Um I think he was shot at a. barber shop. >> Mhm. Yeah. >> Um. >> that's who I like that was my best. friend, but I called him my little. brother who that's who was mad at me. about the show. >> Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Obviously, you said that was your best. friend. >> You called, you know, like your little. brother. >> Yeah. when you got that news. >> what what some of the emotions you. started to feel? >> Um, honestly that was.

probably one of the worst days of my. life for sure. Like I I never felt that. like shock and hurt and disappointment. like when it happened. And you know. what's so crazy? He probably. he might have got killed 11 a.m. Chicago. time. So, it's like 9:00 a.m. in LA. I'm. fresh coming from the studio. Me and him. texting paragraphs at 400 a.m. Like, our. last conversation was really just us. telling each other how much we love each.

other. Like, man, bro, you know, I don't. want nothing from you. I never wanted. nothing from you. I just want you to. like win. >> I just want the best for you. >> Not nothing from you. >> That was the last conversation we had. talking like that. You feel what I'm. saying? So, um I'm on the couch sleep at. at home and this girl hit me like, "I'm. so sorry about your brother." Like, it's. this girl that do like philanthropy work. in Chicago. You feel what I'm saying? And her brother worked at the barber. shop, so she knew already,

>> right, >> as soon as it happened, you feel me? And. I'm like, "What?" I'm like, "What the is. you talking about?" She like, "I'm so. sorry about him." I'm like, "What?" I. got mad. I didn't even say nothing. I. didn't like respond back to it or. nothing. And then right after that, I. get a call from one of my homies like, "Yo, look just got shot in the barber. shop.". >> And it's like I just lost it. I got up. >> and I started praying. I hit my knees. Just started praying like please, please, please just let him pull through. this [ __ ] Like pretty please. You feel. what I'm saying? And at that moment, I.

couldn't think straight. Like the only. thing I could do is get on a plane in. Chicago. Like I got on the plane. like I. had to like I didn't even feel right. being in LA and you know he just passed. away so it's like um I had to like like. really it was just all I felt was like. anger like I wanted to do something like. retaliate you know what I'm saying like. me being who I am G Herbo star really. went to Chicago was just like I lost my. mind for real cuz like.

>> him he ain't never like that wasn't him. you feel what I'm saying like don't get. me wrong yeah he street dude. He was in. the streets with us, but that just. wasn't him. And I really felt like. somebody did that to him to hurt me. >> Like that was the whole thing. And I. said it a lot. And you know, it's so. crazy. His grandma, who I call my. grandma, like that's my grandma. I still. talk to her as much as possible. I go. see whatever she need. Like that's.

really I'm to his family. I'm the. closest thing to him like that. they. even have, you feel what I'm saying? >> And you know, his kids is my godkid. So, it's like that's my real deal family. I. lived with them. I lived in their house. >> Um, when I ain't had nothing. Um, and it's like I felt like. I was responsible for his death. >> for a long time. >> And it happened in 2021. And I I didn't.

even I ain't used to drink at all. Like, I ain't used to drink [ __ ] for sure. Like, I didn't drink. I wasn't even I. was just like, "Nigga, just smoke, get. hot." Like, I. >> Yeah, me either, but we make it up a. lost time. >> Like, I was I was one of them guys who. like I drink once a year, twice a year, maybe. You feel what I'm saying? And one. cup will get me drunk. This our third. cup right now. You feel me? I ain't no. rookie no more. But I'm saying that to. say like, and. I don't I don't even like, bro, I don't.

even care. Like, I'm going just be. honest. Like when I when I went to. Chicago, I went like on tim and like I. took a hoodie. >> I had I I had packed all type of crazy. [ __ ] Was going to go to Chicago and. just like it. I was ready to throw. >> you up with the homie. You lit. >> I was ready to throw my life away for. real. I drove my track hawk to one of my. my men's crib in LA who I like was in. business with and just talking to him. and I had the suitcase in the back of my.

track and we was upstairs talking and he. like man you need a drink. Gave me a. drink. I took it and I'm like a real. like I don't believe in coincidence like. I'm a real spiritual person. Um, when I'm in my head, I'm like, "Bro, I. can't believe I'm going to go back to. Chicago." That's when I know he was. dead. That's when I found out he was. dead already. I'm like, "Bro, I'm going. to go back to Chicago." This [ __ ] like, I really was ready to like just throw my.

life away. I really didn't give a for. real when that [ __ ] happened. I looked out the window, I seen like. 200 birds flying like just right out the. window. Like a flock of birds. So many. birds. I'm like, "Damn, man. Little bro. that's going to go to heaven." Like, you. feel? Like, in my head, I'm like, "Fuck it, man. I ain't even going to go. back and crash out." Like, me seeing. them birds go up in it just like it kind.

of calmed me down. >> It gave you a sense of peace, didn't it? >> Yeah. In a way, like for real, even the. first, like literally the very first. when it happened, I ain't even got on. the plane yet. I'm still like I took. like three shots of Hennessy and I'm. still in my head. And I'm still angry, of course, but I'm like, damn. I'm. looking at these birds while I'm. thinking about this [ __ ] Like, damn, man. You know, it just my head up like I. ain't going to crash out. But I get on. the plane still and I left the whole. suitcase. This how you know my mind. racing. I left the whole suitcase in my.

trackout. I got in a black truck to the. airport. I didn't even grab a suitcase. out of my bag. I mean, out of my car. And I get on the plane. I go to sleep. And I swear to God, I had a dream that. me, him, and his bae m his second bay. mama, he got to two bay mama. Me, him, and his second bay mama was just walking. around the neighborhood going door to. door like asking who killed him. And he. with me. Like he me, him, and his bae. mama just asking like, "Yeah, who. killed, bro?" But he right there with me. asking who killed him. You see what I'm. saying? It's like I don't know. That.

[ __ ] my head up. I got off the plane. like, "Damn, I just had this crazy ass. dream." Like I go straight to his. grandma house and see her start crying, hugging and [ __ ] I'm just like, "Man, you ain't like you ain't got to worry. about nothing." Like, you feel what I'm. saying? Like, yeah, he gone, but you got. me. I promise I'm always be there. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'mma be there. for his kids. Like, I took on that role. and responsibility. Like, no matter. what, how big, how much my career is.

hectic, like I'm going be there for his. family. You feel what I'm saying? It's. like I can't do that if I crash out. So, it's like I just took on that. responsibility of. >> being the closest thing at to him, you. know, for his family. And and I I'm. grateful for that. I appreciate that. when I hear that because that was. somebody that I love unconditionally. And I know his family love me. And it's. like I feel like they when they tell me. that like, man, I like you the closest. thing we have to him, like we need you.

Like these kids need you. You see what. I'm saying? So, it's like I just took on. that role and of course it a part of me. is gone forever and I I feel like no. matter what I do or how much success I. get, I never really could enjoy it for. real because I always. >> person that you wanted to share it with. >> me here. You feel what I'm saying? Like. I'm thinking about when I get 30 and 40, if I ever win a Grammy, just certain. [ __ ] is like it's not going to really. feel right because I wanted to enjoy it. with him. And I always get them little.

thoughts and flashbacks in my head and. stuff like that. But it turned me into a. different person, man. I fell into. alcoholism crazy. Like I was down in a. whole fifth a day like by myself. literally every single day. Like. >> I'm glad you pulled out of that. >> Yeah. I was stretched out. I turned into. a totally different person. Like and I. just had I just had my second son. Like. I turned into like. man it was I don't know. I was just like. a different person. Like I really felt. like I couldn't be a father like the way.

I wanted to be. Like I was so stressed. out and so depressed was like I didn't. want to be home cuz I didn't want my. girl to see me that weak. Like I was at. my weakest and my lowest. So I used have. to be outside and ride around to go cry, go to clubs and just do stupid ass [ __ ]. just to get my mind off of what was what. I was really thinking about for real. But I definitely pulled out of it. And. one of the conversations that helped me. was a conversation with his grandma and. she told me the real. She told me the.

ugly that I really didn't want to have. She like she really looked at me and. said, "Yeah, >> my grandson died because of you.". Everybody really know that he got killed. cuz somebody wanted to hurt me. Like, "Oh yeah, this her best friend like. going to do something to him.". >> Right? >> You feel me? And when she told me that, she like because she seen me just. slipping through the cracks getting. drunk and she like, "You better not your. wife up. Like all we got is you." Like. you better make something of your life. I know how much he loved you, believed.

in you. Like I don't Okay, you we. hurting. You all hurting, but it's like. you not going to let him die for. nothing. You better be the best you. could be. And that [ __ ] really like made. me snap out of it. Yeah. Savage. 21. Savage. He did a tribute. I know you're. very you're good friends with Savage. What did that mean to you, >> man? Just I ain't going to lie. Savage one of. the realest [ __ ] I ever met in life. For real. Like he's so solid, bro. And.

it's because like. >> my friends, my brothers became his. brothers and vice versa. You know what. I'm saying? like when he lost like. people that he lost like when he lost. Skinny and CJ and them you feel what I'm. saying like that [ __ ] you know it made. me feel. >> I sat down with him you guys personality. y'all y'all I can see how y'all guys. became friends. >> yeah no for sure yeah we both Libras too. you feel what I'm saying like yeah. that's my brother like. >> like. how how we locked in like I'm seeing how.

he really take care of his people yes. >> and he care about his brothers you feel. what I'm saying like. I do the same thing. You feel me? And he. was seeing it. So it's like. >> when I'm coming to Atlanta, I'm really. only going around him. Like I'm hanging. around him and his homies. Like. sometimes he not even coming outside. I'm with his mans them. You feel what. I'm saying? So it's like they really. became my brothers and vice versa. The. same way. Like he come in Chicago like. he was just in Chicago. He was in my. hood with my homies. I wasn't there. You. feel me? Like. >> we really got that type of love and.

mutual respect for each other. You feel. me? It's like when when he saw what that. did to me like with my with with little. bro it like that [ __ ] really hurt him. too. He called me about it like man. whatever you need like anytime any. situation happened with somebody with me. or anything like he called like whatever. you need call me. You feel what I'm. saying? It's like I still I'm not going. to hit him for sure. That's my brother, you know? But it's like I know for a. fact he. >> he there for you. >> He there for me and in any situation he. going to be there. You feel what I'm. saying? Like I talk to bro down there. every day. >> Right. When Chief Keef uh moved to LA,

was that when you felt that you needed. to make the move, too? >> Yeah. I ain't going to lie, that was. goated. That was I talk about that so. much, bro. Like, when Sosa moved to LA, it just it made it possible for us. Like, damn, you could just go to Cali. and ain't got to look over your shoulder. no more. Like, that was the coldest [ __ ]. ever to me. Like, I didn't even really. like. >> And that's crazy. We was just so like. young and dumb and naive to how much. >> life is outside of Chicago. You feel. what I'm saying? And we like damn social. just moved to LA and got a big ass.

mansion. Like I couldn't wait to do that. [ __ ]. >> As soon as I What Uncle Edro say when I. got that check, I was gone. >> As soon as I got a chance to move to LA, I was up. >> I'm like, damn, bro. Sa just started a. whole new life here. Like he don't even. got to like. >> think about that [ __ ] no more. You don't. got to look over your shoulders, none of. that. Like when we moved to LA, it's not. even like how LA was for real. Like I. mean how LA is now. Like I feel like co. kind of LA up where it's like. >> [ __ ] getting robbed and certain.

>> that [ __ ] weren't going on like that. when we first came here like I've been. in LA for like 7 years been here like 10. 11 some [ __ ] like that you feel me? Like when he when he first moved to LA, like I was like, "Damn, I can't wait.". Like. >> when he made that move, it was like and. Sosa always been the blueprint for like. like certain [ __ ] might not say it, but like I'mma always give bro his. flowers. Like he really the. greatest thing that happened in Chicago. in my opinion. Like. >> would you have ever left Chicago had he.

not moved to LA? >> No. Hell no. I wouldn't even know what. to do. What happened? Like I wouldn't. have knew that like he could just leave. and go. Like you feel what I'm saying? Like I would have had to see it. Like to. see it to believe it. You know what I'm. saying? Like he moved to LA. I'm like, >> "Damn, that [ __ ] hard." You feel what. I'm saying? Like and soon as I got a. chance to, I did it. You feel what I'm. saying? Like just. >> the best thing you done. >> Hell yeah. And like I feel like it saved. my life for real. For real. For real. Like moving to LA 100% saved my life. You feel what I'm saying? And like when. Sosa got all that money, Sosa was 16.

with real millions of dollars. You feel. what I'm saying? Like I was 16 with some. money. He had a couple hundred thousand, but I ain't got no millions of dollars. at 16 years old. You feel what I'm. saying? So, it's like his life was. different, you know? Like he had. >> the big mansions, the cars, like he was. really like the inspiration for us. And. my homie, who I was saying, Cap, like my. homie Marvin, who I was saying was like. cocky on on the block where he told us. not to move. >> That was one of Sosa best friends. They. grew up together. They from the same. project. So, that's how I knew Sosa. Like when I first started rapping was.

around the time he started rapping and. we really like was homies, you know what. I'm saying? Like Sosa is somebody who I. really consider my brother and it's. somebody that still like even though we. the same age, he always inspired me. You. feel what I'm saying? Like motivated me. like, "All right, bet.". >> So that was your first interaction with. him because one of your partners was his. partner. That's how y'all met. Y'all. >> interactions was in the studio together. like. >> Okay. Really? Okay. >> Yeah. Like when we like 15 years old, you feel what I'm saying? I started, he. had his own basically kind of like his. own studio in his hood with uh.

>> with like his homies and his engineer. and we just came and and like paid for. studio time there, you feel me? Because. my homie like. >> Cap and [ __ ] who brothers who grew up. with Sosa, they like. >> referred us like, "Man, y'all should go. record right there. Just pay for the. studio time." And we would come like. Sosa be recording when he of course he. was always the first priority. So it's. like when he done recording then we get. studio time. So like that's how we. really met. >> Wow. >> Um you said Nicki Minaj was really the.

first one to give you an opportunity. She wanted a feature. >> Yeah. >> But when she called you ain't answer the. phone. >> No, I ain't believe it. >> I didn't. >> So she called. She called your phone. You like you like she said what she said. now. She just. >> No, she was So look, she didn't the. original call. It wasn't her on the. phone. You feel what I'm saying? It was. uh Safari them on the phone. So when they hit us, it was like 4 in. the morning. I'm in the studio. I'm half. lean and pills and all type of [ __ ].

>> Okay. >> They like, "Yeah, man. Nikki them trying. to get you to come to LA and do no. verse. I'm do a verse." Like this Nicki. them team on the phone. You like, "You. want to talk to him?" I'm like, "Man, hell no. Ain't no Nicki them, bro.". Like, man, gone with that [ __ ] Like, that's what I told my manager like, "Bro," he like, "You want to talk to him. on the phone?" I'm like, "Man, no, I. know that's not them." Like, man, you. tweaking. You just cuz at the at that. point, we hot. So, people call and. playing on the phone all the time. So. it's like, "Oh man, that ain't them, bro." They called back like two, three. years later. I mean, not two, three. years, two, three days. Two, three days. later. Like, what the y'all doing? Like, we trying to put y'all on the plane in.

LA to come do this song. So, then I wind. up talking to him on the phone for real. Like, all right, bet. No, they serious. And I got on the plane and I did the. verse. And she was just telling me like. like how she [ __ ] with my music. And. like she wanted to do the song, >> the beat that she had. She wanted to do. the song like with my cadence. You know. what I'm saying? Like that's why like. I'mma always [ __ ] with Nikki and respect. Nikki cuz she was like I'm trying to use. your cadence and your flow. >> and I ain't want to feel like I was like.

biting like biting your flow of swagger. jacket even though she a female and I'm. a male. Like it don't really matter. She. like I ain't want to feel like I was. using your flow. >> and not show love and put you on the. record. And at that that that time like. I wasn't really like a real like I felt. I could rap but I wasn't like a real MC. where I would have caught it. Like if. she would have put that song out without. hitting me I would have been like oh she. stole my flow on that [ __ ] I wouldn't. even noticed for real cuz it's Nicki. Minaj. I wouldn't even thought about. damn she using the same pockets that I.

be in. I didn't know that much about. >> lyrics and pockets and [ __ ] Like I used. to just go and rap. Like everybody used. to say I wrapped off beat when I first. started rapping because I would just go. like you know as one by two by three by. four bars and it's a different pocket or. cadence on the beat that classifies. what's one to four bars right. >> I wouldn't start on a one sometimes I'll. start on a two sometimes I'll start on a. three. >> and just rap so people would say I was. off beat technically I was but I was. fitting a whole bar into that like a.

whole sentence into it where it still. made sense so it's. Some people hated me for it, some people. loved me for it. You feel what I'm. saying? So, it's like I never would have. noticed anything, you feel me? But she. pulled me out there. >> and I did the verse with her in the. studio. She had me in the studio with. me, I mean with her. >> and I spent like a whole day with her. like, "Yeah, we was just chilling and. talking and [ __ ] like that." And the. studio was big as [ __ ] So, I first I. started like recording part of my verse. in the booth and she like, "All right,

yeah, I want to do something real quick. I'm trying to do like she told me she. was going to do something like for her. verse and work on another song. So she. like like it's another studio, another. booth over I never seen no [ __ ] like. that. >> Damn. >> She like yeah you can record on the. other side. I'm like damn it's the other. side. Like I couldn't believe that [ __ ]. >> Like that [ __ ] just really inspired me. Like bro it's a lot of money out here. You got to go get this [ __ ] You feel. what I'm saying? Like and after I did it. I went home. >> and just turned me into like a monster. Like I made after I did that video, I. probably made like a half a million.

dollars just grinding. Just like I'm. going to do shows. I'm doing [ __ ] I was. young as hell. Like I'm probably like. 16, seven, 17 years old. You got like. that. >> I was no long no older than 18. Hell. yeah. I made a lot of money after I did. that song. And like I I really credit it. to her cuz she just made like, boy, I. got a song Nicki Minaj. I got to go get. all the money that's out there. And I. did it. >> Is that how you got a tour with Cam. Cameron Future TI? So that how you got. on with them because you did the verse. >> Yeah, I did a um I was on really I I did.

got to shout out to uh Johnny Shipes, man. That's my brother. He managed me. for about a year and a half and he had. put me on the Smokers Club tour. So. that's how I really had met. I met Cam. and um. >> I met TI when we went to Atlanta for. that tour. You know what I'm saying? Like that's when I first met him and it. was just like brief like just in. passing. Chopped it up with him, told. him my name and [ __ ] like that. And then. when he came to Chicago the next time, he linked up with me. Yeah. >> Damn. >> Yeah. I [ __ ] with T solid.

>> I mean I mean uh. Cam I mean look, I ain't heard nothing. but good. I I I met Cam once at a at a. CU game. >> But every artist that that you hear talk. about Cam, they say what a straight what. a solid dude he was. I mean I've never. heard an artist. >> um say anything negative about Cam. Like. what you see is what you get. He one. thou with you all the time. >> Yeah. Cam did some real [ __ ] too when I. was on tour. Um, on the Smokes Club. tour, I was like I think I was probably. like the first opening act and he was.

headlining. >> Wow. >> I was first like two more people after. me. He like. >> he told Shypes like, "Bro, you don't see. he turning up every night. You need to. make him like co-headliner before me.". So, I went from like the first opening. act to headliner with Cam just off of. him like seeing my show and turning the. [ __ ] up. Like I really kind I bumped up. bumped up a couple acts like and you. know you do that you get paid a little. more. >> Yeah. Hell yeah. I ain't trying to open. but I I might not close but put your boy.

closer to the back. >> Yeah. No for sure. He's super solid for. that. >> When you talk about Chicago rappers. obviously you Kanye. >> Kee uh Common. >> Common I think you you was trying to you. were going to audition for Barberhop 3, right? >> Yeah I was. I was talking about that. today. So did did you u had you ever met. common prior to that? >> Um. I did. I did. I had met my first time. meeting common I believe we was at like.

u like a event like some non for. profofit stuff. I just like introduced. myself to him. >> And then the second time we met me, him. and Chance. >> had a song that was going on my my. mixtape and Mickey my my manager put it. together like he. >> I had already knew Chance. So I had put. Chance on the record. Then he reached. out the comment team put comment on the. record. Comment so solid he pulled up. shot the video on 87th and Stony like in. his old hood for real like damn. >> So he was super solid and I just always.

like damn he a real like like he a real. one. So when I did. the audition for the barberh shop for. the script, I had already had his info. and they told me like comment in the. movie. I'm like, man, I ain't never read. no script before, bro. Like I need some. help with this [ __ ] It's like. >> he told me to come to his hotel. He was. staying at the Langum downtown. I'll. never forget. And like I'm like, damn, man. This rich as hell. This big ass was.

this big ass hotel room, man. [ __ ] was. huge. coming there. We auditioning for. the for well he like helping me with the. with the he helping me read. >> and it's like I it gave me a different. kind of respect for him just because. >> he gave me that opportunity to do it and. two I wasn't like I wasn't ready to be. an actor yet like I didn't have it in me. at that moment and he was so like it it. went from all right yeah this common big. bro to no I'm acting and you acting like. just like the look like and like cuz the.

script I'm reading I'm having to talk to. like a gangster. You know what I'm. saying? It's like. >> his whole everything his whole demeanor. whole demeanor changed where it's like. he really transformed. >> and I'm in my head like what the how the. [ __ ] can he do that? >> It was crazy to me, bro. And it's like. it made me uncomfortable cuz I'm like, >> "All right, bro. Snap back real quick.". So. >> So we get back to talking like we were. >> Yeah. Yeah. You feel what I'm saying? It's like But he helped me. I did the I. did it. I put it in and I I didn't get.

the role though. I didn't get the role. cuz I just I couldn't lock in into that. Like I couldn't but I just I'mma always. [ __ ] with bro cuz he really he told me. like man come here. I'm going to help. you with this [ __ ] You feel what I'm. saying? Like. >> what's some of the best advice common. gave you cuz obviously he he's in the. rap game but you know he's kind of he. does more in the TV and the film. industry now. But what are some of the. advice that he passed along to you. >> that day? that exact day he told me like. bro. you got to always like. like gather information like read on.

stuff like you know what I'm saying. before you make a decision like read. learn about it you feel what I'm saying. like that's he told me that and it was. like and it didn't have nothing to do. with acting though right. >> he talking about like music you feel. what I'm saying being an artist like he. like. >> read articles about like label [ __ ] you. feel what I'm saying like read articles. about. the touring like [ __ ] like that like. read articles about the touring business.

you know what I'm saying like. >> read the dictionary like [ __ ] like that. he like bro if he really want to be a. lyricist and. >> he said that because. >> he had put me on his album right before. that and that [ __ ] got nominated for a. Grammy too he put me on his album and it. the project the the beat that we did was. produced by no ID and he was just like. bro like you young, but like you a real. MC, like a spitter. He like the more. knowledge you get is just gonna make you. better as an artist, like better as a.

rapper. And I listen though, I ain't. gonna lie. Like I I really like I read a. lot of [ __ ] now. Like I ain't going to. lie. Like I read a lot of [ __ ] and I be. reading like I read a dictionary. I be. trying to learn new words like from that. point on. And my homies like seeing my. homie Mansky, he had contest to it. Like. he like bro be reading a dictionary all. type of [ __ ] Like I go to Google and. just try to learn new words before I. start rapping. And I feel like that make. it like it just elevate where it's like. you not rapping about the same [ __ ] You. feel what I'm saying? >> Can't nobody really teach you that but a.

MC. Like a real MC for real. You know. what I'm saying? So yeah. Shout out to. Big Bro, man. I got a lot of love for K. for sure. >> You did a You did a song with Kanye, but. I don't think it came out. >> Mhm. >> How many times Kanye Kanye is known for. making guys redo their verse over and. over and over? Ros told a story that he. had had him do a verse and he said, "What you mean Roso ain't hard." He But. he said, "Hey, Ross, I know you go. harder than that.". >> Yeah, he did that to me for sure. >> He made me redo my verse about three.

times for sure on that one record. I. think I did two records for Kanye that. didn't come out and. >> I pulled up on him in the studio and I. seen like. >> so basically like. >> how he record or work on certain. projects like. >> it's just live mics. I had all us in. here right now. Everybody just doing. cadences rapping saying [ __ ] It's live. mics. So it's so much going on that [ __ ]. kind of like got confusing, right? >> You feel me? I'm like I ain't never seen. it before. And he freestyle and he asked. me like, "All right, hit something. Say. four bars or eight bars." And I'm like,

"All right, I try, but I don't even know. like what we basically rapping on. It's. a capella, all type of shit." So, I. ended up getting the song. He like, "Man, I'mma just sing it and I want you. to record your verse to us." So, I. recorded my verse in like New York. Sent. it back. He told me to redo it again, like changed so much stuff. And I sent. it, the final verse that I sent though. was like super fire. Like hard hard. I. wish I could really like. >> call him and just get the [ __ ] Like I. don't you don't even got to be on it.

Give me my verse and I'mma redo that. [ __ ] and put it out right now. You feel. what I'm saying? Like that's one of the. hardest verses I feel like I spit for. sure though. And. >> one thing I learned in this in this. business though, like. >> when you do stuff and it might not work. out or come out like you can't really. take it personal, right? >> I didn't like fault Kanye or nothing. like that or feel like damn, I did all. this [ __ ] and he ain't put the song out. Like. >> I ain't really care. I was just really. grateful for the opportunity and. grateful to like be able to get in the. studio with him and just. >> But do some rappers do get upset if they.

get on the track and they don't the guy. don't they don't really. >> A lot of rappers get upset about that. Hell yeah. I. >> rappers getting rap beefs about that. type of [ __ ] Really? >> Yeah. Hell yeah. [ __ ] get mad about. that [ __ ] for sure. Like when you don't. put them on a project or they pull up on. you and do [ __ ] but it's all art. It's. all creativity. And a lot of times. >> for a lot of artists it be out of their. hands. I wouldn't say that for me. because I always pick my songs for every. >> majority of them and then I I believe in. like constructive criticism. So my team.

around me might be like no this a better. song this the hit this radio and I don't. really I never really focused on like. radio records and stuff early on in my. career. So they would have that input. but I would really do the body of work. for real. So, but other artists who. write who they team pick the whole. mixtape or album and like they have no. input or they don't, you know what I'm. saying? So, it's like that happened a. lot. You know, a lot of times people. just don't make the cut and artist get. mad like they'll stop with you for real. for that. You know what I'm saying? But.

I never been that artist though. Like I. always just never took it personal. Like, all right, yeah, it's cool. I. ain't really tripping. My first. interaction with Kanye is he talk walked. up to me like man you got to like you. got to start like tripping with these. [ __ ] You got to start dissing these. [ __ ] Stop letting [ __ ] steal your. style and steal your flow. >> And on my head I'm like damn I ain't. even know you really listen to me enough. for like you to say. >> [ __ ] taking my flow like what my flow. is and then you hearing somebody else. record be like oh he using Herbbo flow. he using this [ __ ] And that was the.

first thing Yay ever said to me. You. know what I'm saying? It's like that. just made me like kind of like, "Oh. yeah, I [ __ ] with you." Like, "You ain't. told me." You feel what I'm saying? That. was way before I did the records with. him or any of this [ __ ] You know what. I'm saying? So, when it didn't make it. though, I was really just mad that I. don't had a verse to use cuz I don't. >> Yeah, you ask for the verse back. >> No, I didn't. I need to. I'm asking you. right now. Yeah. Send me the. >> Send me the verse and I'mma put that. [ __ ] out for sure. Like just my verse. cuz it was fire. I was talking about. like Chicago [ __ ] like. >> just a lot of [ __ ] that was like near.

and dear to me, >> right? >> Yeah. >> You mentioned that you want to rap on uh. his song uh Through the Wire. You want. to rap over that? >> Mhm. I wind up I actually winded up um. doing it. I did it for my my project um. greatest rapper alive. But I was always. scared of that simple though. Like cuz. it's just like that's one of the hardest. songs ever to me in general. You know. what I'm saying? And then me being from. Chicago and it being Yay. it being that. simple. Like some things you just don't. want to run up on because the internet. going to troll you, right? You man, hey,

Herbal could leave that alone. >> Kept that [ __ ]. >> You know what's coming. If you don't do. it right, man, he could have left that. alone. >> Yeah. So certain ones I don't really run. up on. But at that time, I had a lot of. like pain in me, like built up emotion. My pop's head just died. I was talking. about like, you know, I felt like I. didn't I couldn't rap on that unless I. had something or. >> that was like super like pain driven. like how he did. You feel what I'm. saying? From him getting into that car. almost losing his life. He wrapped about.

almost losing his life. You feel what. I'm saying? So, it's like. >> I came from a perspective of. >> me rapping about. >> the stuff that I'm enduring at this. moment and being successful. And I ain't. going to lie, they they with it, right? The fans definitely with it. >> Well, I'm going to put you on the spot. Give me your four best Mount Rushmore. Chicago rappers. >> Uh, I ain't going to include myself. though. >> Okay. >> Um,

I'mma do Sosa. Juice World. Yay. And I'mma do Smirk. And I could I could. like explain it. I didn't really include. myself cuz I don't really like including. myself with [ __ ] like that. Even though. I do feel like I'm on a lot of people's. Mount Rushmore, you know what I'm. saying? But I'm just talking about me. personally like. >> and that got to do with like. >> influence and what you did. >> right. >> for the music and like the music.

industry coming out of Chicago. So it's. like. >> got to go Juice Real because he just he. did something phenomenal that nobody. really ever did for real. And then Sosa. because just like the impact that he had. on on us in Chicago in the world and so. young doing it like Sosa still one of my. favorite artists still regardless. You. feel what I'm saying? Then Yay, >> that's undeniable answer. >> And then Smirk is just what I admire the.

most about Dirk is. he always been like me watching from the. very beginning. He always been somebody. that like through all the adversity or. any trials and tribulations, he always. been able to like overcome that [ __ ] and. reinvent himself. >> Like I've seen him reinvent himself so. many times and just become one of the. biggest artists in the world. You feel. me? Like. >> that's one thing like. >> that I admire the most about Dirk like. outside of his talent. You feel what I'm. saying? Like that's what really make him.

the goat to me because when you come. from where we come from and been through. the stuff that we've been through it's. like it's easy to give up. It's easy to. be like man I'm going to just keep like. he has switch it all the way up and. master that and then if that don't work. switch it up master switch it and just. keep elevating. You feel me? Like that. [ __ ] like a superpower to me. >> Right. You compare Juicew World's death. to Tupac and Big for your generation. Why? M because. all of the lives that he influenced.

while he was here. >> You feel what I'm saying? Like he was. somebody that. >> he was like a real global superstar. mogul for like the the kids that were. like misunderstood and the lost and the. hopeless and stuff like that. Like you. feel what I'm saying? He gave people. like reason to want to live. like people. who contemplated suicide and stuff like. that. >> Those were the people that his music. touched. >> and when his life was cut so short, it.

devastated so many people. You feel what. I'm saying? It devastated. >> a generation of kids. You feel what I'm. saying? The same way. >> being in Tupac devastated a generation. of people. You know what I'm saying? Like I wasn't trying to like and and. people kind of like took that the wrong. way. Yeah. I wasn't trying to say like. he was as big as Biggie and Tupac. Like. you feel what I'm saying? Like he done. as much as Big and Tupac. I'm talking. about the the effect that it had on a. whole generation of people. Whereas like. his music forever live on. And.

>> when people die like posthumans music, posthumans, it always like go up and. become big. But like his is. 10 years, 20 years, 30 years from now, like it's still going to be here. You. feel what I'm saying? That's what I. meant by that. Like because the people. >> who loved him so much, if they was 10. years old or whatever, when they turn 40. years old, those songs going to still. touch them. >> the exact same way that it did because.

they going to remember his legacy. Like. that's what I meant by that. when you. got the word that he had tragically. passed away from an accidental overdose. >> Yeah. Um I was in LA at the time. Um. and I think my girl called my girl. called me first and told me. Um and I I. got mad at her. I'm like, "Man, what. what the like what the was you talking. about?" She like Juicer just passed. away. I'm like, "Man, you tripping and. just hung up." Like when like I be in.

disbelief when I be hearing that type of. [ __ ] I don't it just it it throw me. forward. >> because it's hard when pe people that. you know people that you know they not. supposed to die at 20 and the 20s and. then in their 30s that's not supposed to. happen. We supposed to be like 75 80. years old. Well such and such had a. heart attack and such and such. You. don't expect somebody. >> he he was so like he had reached like. the height of like so much success. You. feel what I'm saying? And. >> I feel like he was just reaching his. peak. Like it was his birthday. I think. he died 6 days after his birthday or.

something like that. You feel me? is. like that was my little brother. So it. really like it messed me up mentally, you feel me? And he died on December. 8th, I believe. >> And we supposed to shot a video on the. 11th. So I was on my way to him, feel. me? Like going to meet him in Chicago. And it's just like. >> that [ __ ] just threw me all the way off. when I got the information. >> And like just him being like. >> just he like he was just like a good ass. kid, bro. Like for real. Like even the. way he died, like you rich as juice.

Like you rich as a you get pulled over. by the police and you swallow 50 pills, 40 pills, however the [ __ ] many pills he. swallowed because he's scared. Like. >> you was going to overcome that [ __ ]. bro. Them little pills, they ain't give. a [ __ ] about that [ __ ] bro. >> I threw that [ __ ] in the I would have. had that [ __ ] sitting on the counter. like, "Dang, >> come get it for real." Like, "Bro, I got. 50 million. I ain't going to go to jail. for these little dumbass pills right. here." Like, you feel me? Like it just. let you know like how pure he was. Like. you feel what I'm saying? He didn't know.

no better. Like you know what I'm. saying? You know the term like. >> God forgive fools and babies like that. type. Like he was just like super naive. to [ __ ] You feel what I'm saying? It's. like that's what me up the most cuz it's. like bro you ain't even have to do that. Like that [ __ ] wasn't about nothing. >> But. >> you told the story a few times about how. you had a substance abuse problem. You. mentioned, I think early in the. interview, that you was. >> 15, you started taking pills and you. started, you know, smoking weed. You. know, obviously, you know, you talked.

about how you graduated lean and. >> and so you went to twice. >> Yeah. >> How diff how difficult is it to come to. the realization. >> that got a damn problem, man? >> Yeah. Um, when it become like your part of your. lifestyle for real. Like, >> so you couldn't function without it? >> I couldn't function without it. Like I. had to drink lean every day. I had to. pop pills. I had to do this [ __ ] to eat. food to like I I say a lot of times like. I used to really be in rooms and I.

wasn't there because mentally my brain. is somewhere else. I'm high. I'm. thinking about [ __ ] I I'm grieving like. just thinking about trauma where it's. like I'm just maneuvering through the. room. I might say what's up, introduce. myself, but it might be somebody that I. probably should have had a conversation. with, right? >> But I couldn't do it because my mind is. somewhere else. cuz I'm altering my. brain with these drugs. I'm thinking I. need this [ __ ] to function, but it's. really like. >> you masking something. >> It's making I'm masking something. You. feel me? Like I can't even be in the.

moment because. um what's that saying? Like. when you live in the past, it's. grief. And when you live in the future, it's anxiety. Like I'm never in the. moment. Like I'm thinking about before I. get in this room, >> what's gonna happen? How it's gonna play. out? You feel me? instead of just. enjoying the moment. >> And I became that person for like so. many years, you feel me? Like I used to. have to like. >> take Xans and perks and [ __ ] just to go. to sleep. Like I said, like I still. right now to this day I have insomnia.

Like I don't sleep. >> I've been like that since a kid since 15. years old. You feel me? Like. >> and I used to drink a lot of it. It. don't make it no better when you got. money before. >> Yeah. Cuz you got access to it. >> You got access to it. You feel what I'm. saying? So it's like I'm going through. pints and pintsine and going through. 100 pills a month. Like that. Yeah. For. real. It was bad. Like. >> 100. >> 100 a month. I'm popping four, five. pills a day. You feel what I'm saying?

Like probably more than that. >> Did you Because you said you started. like what 15? Was it. >> dealing with the trauma that you saw? You saw your friends, you saw your. homies and they're losing their lives. and you trying to mask that because you. know kids. >> feel it. Yes. Kids not supposed to have. to deal with that. >> Yeah. Like you don't want to feel it, man. You got like I was a I was a. freshman in high school still. You feel. what I'm saying? When I started. experiencing all this stuff, >> I'm taking these drugs to not feel. emotions. Like. >> as a human being, you're supposed to.

feel emotions. That's the only way you. going. That's what makes us human. >> That's the only way you going to grow. You feel what I'm saying? So it's like I. was trying to not feel stuff. And this. what really like when I learned the fact. that like, all right, bet. Yeah. You. might temporarily, all right, you might. be high, but when you wake up the next. day, that [ __ ]. >> you going to have to deal with it at. some point in time. >> It get worse. Like you wake up the next. day like, damn. Like, I was tripping. Like, you know what I'm saying? You. might get into a situation, it's like, all right, I'm going to get I don't want. to think about that [ __ ]. >> When you wake up sober, it's still you.

You feel what I'm saying? >> That situation that you tried to run. from, >> it's right there. >> It's still there. You know what I'm. saying? And. >> I was just like, I didn't I didn't say I. was going to go to rehab. You feel what. I'm saying? people close to me, like my. closest, you know what I'm saying? >> People that you trusted the most. >> Yeah. They like, "Bro, you just got to. go." Like, you know, I had just had a. son. I just had my first son. >> And they like, "Bro, you just got to go. to rehab." Like, you know, you getting. too high. Like, >> you just you lashing out. You angry. You.

feel what I'm saying? Like, you ain't. listening to nobody. Like, that [ __ ]. make you angry as [ __ ] I'm not going to. lie. Like, it make you real angry. like. and I just I felt like I was losing. myself because. at the time when I first started I was a. regular dude like you feel me? Like I. was becoming somebody but now it's like. you 22 years old you got a son you're a. superstar like you can't just be out. here like. >> like that you feel me? Because at the. end of the day what you think is normal. is not people judging you. People seeing. you outside like.

>> he's high all the time. this like, you. know, he's why would I want to give you. some money? Like, why would I wanna. >> can I count on you? >> Can I count on you? Are you reliable? And. >> I was just like, "All right, I'm going. to try it. I'mma do it." But I went, >> I got sober. It was good. And probably. like a year, a year and a half later, one of my closest friends died. And I. went right back. >> I just started back getting high. Like, you know, that was like my escape. The. thing you run to, you feel what I'm.

saying? Like, damn, man. I'm stressed. out. I don't want to be around this. [ __ ] sad crying fa to just get high so. I don't feel it you know and I started. back getting high for about probably. another year year and a half and I went. again like both times when I had to go. to rehab I spent like 30,000 or some. [ __ ] to go it was like a seven eight day. process you get out they flush all. everything out your system you on IV so. you don't got to go through the. withdrawals that's another thing like. when you drinking lean and popping pills. and perks and all that [ __ ].

>> the withdraw the withdrawals worse than. that. >> It's worse than anything in the world. You don't even want to feel it. You feel. what I'm saying? So, it's like that's. another thing that people run from like. you can't like regardless you going it's. going to come what come what happened in. the wash come out in the rinse. You feel. what I'm saying? Every time you feel me? So, it's like. >> uh you might run from the withdrawals. and you might keep on doing this [ __ ]. for however long and then it's going to. catch up to you when you get older cuz. your body can't take this [ __ ] You feel. me? So it's like it's best to just if.

anybody. >> you do something crazy when they put you. in that when they put you in that when. they put you behind that concrete wall. >> Yeah. Exactly. I guess that's the worst. Yeah. That's the overly worse. >> cuz they ain't doing no drugs to get to. have them withdraw. >> I seen that though. Like I I seen that. with my own eyes like getting arrested. and [ __ ] You seeing like dope fiends. and [ __ ] on the floor shaking and using. the bathroom on their self and all that. [ __ ] Like that [ __ ] is real. For real. >> You speak very very highly of therapy. You say. we should do it. Um trust me as someone.

that have gone through therapy, you say. someone has gone through therapy, >> you you need to do that. Thug um I don't. know how well you know him. He said. >> uh caused some criticism that he would. feel less than a man. >> if his girl went to therapy. >> His girl went to therapy. >> Um I think what he like I can't really. say what Slime meant by that for real. Like that's my brother. But I feel like. >> Slime one of them people like he a. critical thinker too. Yeah. >> And he one of the people that like like. to dig deep into conversation.

>> like he feel like I think what he meant. by that is like. >> he feel like his girl should just trust. and confide in him so much where it's. like you know. >> and I don't know Slime ever tried. therapy before. You feel me? So he. probably might not even understand what. it might do for a woman or female. It's. certain things that a woman just not. gonna talk to a man about. You feel what. I'm saying? Like no matter how much. y'all trust each other, you know what. I'm saying? Cuz sometimes you want you. want someone that doesn't have a dog in. the fight. >> Exactly. >> She talking. >> you talking slime got a dog in the.

fight. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> As someone that's been the therapist and. as my therapist and I'll never forget. the one of the greatest things she ever. told me. >> She said she sat I mean she sat across. from me just like you. My girlfriend was. sitting right there. >> She said, "Mr. Sharp, >> are you arguing to be right or are you. arguing for right?" M. >> what did that do though? Like what. >> how like she said because at the end. right is there. >> Mhm. >> Are you arguing to be right or you.

arguing for right? I want to be right. >> Yeah. >> This is how it was. This is how it is. >> Yeah. >> I ain't arguing for no right. I want to. be right. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Once I understood. >> Shannon, we can. >> that just. >> it ain't me versus you. >> Yeah. That just. >> it's us versus the problem. >> It's right versus wrong. >> Absolutely. She said, "Shannon, you you. you communicating. You speaking," she. said, "you girlfriend is speaking. Mandarin Chinese, you speaking Spanish.". >> Say, "Either you learned each other's.

language or you're never going to be. able to communicate.". >> Mhm. >> I'm like, "That's some of the real [ __ ]. I've ever heard." Like, I never heard. They said, "You argue to be right or you. argue for right." And 99.9%. of the world argue to be right. >> To be right. >> Exactly. And and so when she explained. it like that and I was one of those. guys, you know, grew up in the South, man, we don't Hey, we don't have no. emotions and we don't go talk to nobody. about problem. You can talk to me, we. can work it out. >> Yeah. >> But once she's like, but no, you got a. vested interest in this. Somebody needs to hear a problem that.

doesn't get the benefit from it. >> Mhm. >> And so when you share when when you your. girl or your wife or whomever share. their problem with someone, they're just. listening. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Somebody come in and share that. problem. They're just listening. Because. me, I'm Hey, and that's why you have to. keep family out because family, they. gonna side with herbo. >> Yeah. >> You better side with me or I'mma turn. the w off for sure. I'm turn the I'm. just saying. >> Absolutely. >> But that but be in all honesty, my.

sister is the only person that I've ever. met. >> Mhm. >> That I can tell I would tell her things. and she would tell me I was wrong. >> Mhm. Yeah. You got to have people like. that. She would tell my. >> brother like that too though. >> And I was like I'm like like I'm your. I'm I'm She's like Shannon. >> Yeah. >> And it it takes me to a place and it. helps me understand. But therapy it took. me a while to understand because I was. the exact same way. But when that lady. told me Shannon she said Mr. Sharp are.

you arguing for right or you arguing to. be right? And she said about the. communications Mandarin Chinese and. Spanish. I was like, man, communication is everything. >> Yeah, it is. Definitely. >> It is. And. >> for sure. >> It's just it's just And I'm I'm I'm not. a great communicator. I'll be the first. to admit. I'm I'm a withdraw, >> right? >> So, I'm just. >> I'm the same way, too, though. >> I just need space. I just I don't want. to talk anymore. >> I'm the same way. I'm not going to lie. I'm I'm definitely the same way, man. It's like. >> I just don't want to talk anymore. >> I try to avoid a lot of communication.

and confrontation. I don't want to take. it all the way there. You. >> I'm just gonna go ahead and give it to. You're right. M I was wrong. No, you. just saying that. You I said what the. >> say what you want though. >> Now see if I elevate my voice, you going. to talk about why you doing that. I just. said you was right. I was wrong. But you. don't mean it. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. No, I'm definitely the same way. But I feel like when you have somebody. like you said, like you just gave a. perfect like analysis. It's like when. you don't have a dog in a fight, you. need to have somebody that really could.

be able to say right is right, wrong is. wrong. You know what I'm saying? Like. and and that's what therapy does for. you. Yes. And I was never like the type. of person that felt comfortable opening. up anyway cuz for one, I don't want. nobody to judge me. >> Two, I don't really want to feel those. emotions. Exactly. >> I don't want you in my business. I don't. want to feel like certain emotions where. it's just like. >> I don't want to relive a situation. You. feel me? Like if I feel like I. >> You never really move past it. you just.

ball it up and put it in the in your. back pocket. >> and you try to run from reliving that. situation. But sometimes you have to in. order to really like. >> grow and being able to like deal with. certain people because as humans we have. triggers, you know, and you don't know. >> you don't know what trigger you. >> You feel what I'm saying? And so it's. like you got to get over certain. situations cuz you might treat somebody. >> who really good for you and doing right. by you because you got a certain trigger. for something that you didn't live 10. years ago.

>> You got to heal. >> and they don't even know about this. situation. So they wondering why you so. mean to me or why you doing this or why. you snap so quick when we talk about. this subject and you never talked about. that trigger. So like I feel like that's. what like therapy is has done of like. help. >> therapy will help you from bleeding on. someone that didn't even cut you. Exactly. Exactly. >> Because no matter where we go, how big. we. >> Yeah. For sure. >> When you're in a relationship, you're dealing with that person's. trauma.

>> Mhm. >> Be it childhood, be it adolescent, be it. at some point, you're going to have to. address that. >> Mhm. >> Whatever it is, and you have an issue, and you're going to have to address that. trauma. And if you don't get it. addressed, the person that you care. about the most or that's with you at. that point in time. going to feel it for sure. It's like I. didn't really I ain't understand that. early on though. Like I used to try to. be so good at. >> going outside and smile and acting like. I'm okay and like taking off masking.

that pain and just you feel what I'm. saying like dealing with people cuz I. got to be an artist. I got to take. pictures. I got to do shows. M. >> then when I come in the house, I'm. releasing all that anger and it's just. like it's so. >> I'm not being the right person that I. should be to my girl or to my mom, to my. kids, the people who closest to me. because I feel like I'm comfortable here. and it's like I'm angry. I'm pouting. around. They like, >> what did I do? >> And you take it on the people that's the. closest to you that you. >> always do that. And I had to really like.

learn to stop doing that. Like I ain't. going to lie, my girl pops told me some. of the realest [ __ ] I ever heard in my. life. He like, "Bro, I know you deal. with a lot of [ __ ] but just remember. whatever you doing, look at that doormat. and leave that [ __ ] outside, bro." Like, he told me that and I So, he told me. that probably. >> four years ago. And I really think like. that. Like, if I go in house and I'm. angry, I got an attitude. Like, I try to. like take some time to like breathe. >> cuz they don't got nothing to do with. that. >> Y. >> You feel what I'm saying? Like. >> we take it out on the people that we. sometimes the closest to us that we love.

the most. >> Yeah. because. >> he told me that he like, "Bro, I know. you like I know you going through [ __ ]. Like, I know." And it had to be from. conversations he having with her. You. feel what I'm saying? He like, "Bro, just leave it at the front door." Like, you feel me? Like, if something happened. where it's like, "All right, bet. She. caused the problem or you know, like. address it." But like, you can't go in. there on defense mode where it's like. you don't want to have certain. conversations or you upset because you. didn't deal with this, this, this, and. this. Like, leave that [ __ ] at the door. When you leave back out, pick it up and. address the world with that energy if.

you have to. leave it at the door at. your house. >> You've also worked with little Dirk. How. difficult to see him going through the. situation that he's going through right. now? >> That [ __ ] is is painful for sure because. I feel like the whole situation with. with Durk is like that [ __ ] could happen. to anybody in my opinion like in this. field because. you moving fast. You don't know like who. to trust or who doing. You can't you. can't be accountable for other people. You know what I'm saying? Like you feel. me? and not even to speak on his.

situation because it's still he going. through it. But it's like. >> you can't be accountable for. a situation or what other people have. done or whatever the and you and and a. lot of times when you get that big. people work overtime to try to pull you. down to try to pull you off of that. mountain top. You feel what I'm saying? And I feel like that's what happened to. Smirk. You know what I'm saying? It's. like. >> me still like I'm not even going to lie. I'm be like for real for real. Like I. know I feel it like I feel it. I know he.

coming from under that [ __ ] but I know. for a fact that's not the end of his. story, >> right? >> He coming from under that [ __ ] You feel. what I'm saying? It's like a lot of. times you kind of It's I hate to say, but like coming from where you come. from, certain times God just like throw. situations at you so you could be able. to see the the playing field for what. it's for. Like see who for you, who not. for you, see the people that's counting. you out and come back 10 times stronger. Like sometimes that [ __ ] just make you a. different type of animal type of beast. where you just like hearing like damn.

everybody counting me out. You think. it's over for me, huh? And then when you. come out it's just like you better than. you ever been. Like you feel what I'm. saying? Like I I know for a fact that's. what's going to happen. >> Remember my grandmother used to say, "Boy, life will give you a lesson until. it teach you what you need to know.". >> Now they keep giving it to you. Now you. gonna learn you. Hey. >> yeah. >> One way or another. >> Yeah. It's going to learn. You going to. learn this lesson that's being taught. And uh you But you're right. When you're. around people, you don't know. And and.

the thing is the hardest thing is to. trust. And sometimes you trust the wrong. people. You put your trust in the wrong. person. >> and it's just. >> ain't no coming back from Let me ask you. this. Purchases. You got some money now. You say you get that bread for half a. bill. Got a half a bill at 16. You like, "Oh, okay. >> What what you when you first got your. bread, what you do?". >> First thing I did was I bought my mama. the house. I moved my mama out uh. Chicago, far away. >> And like I started like I ain't going to. lie, just doing dumb [ __ ] Buying cars,

bad jewelry, like going to the hood, just looking out for everybody. You feel. what I'm saying? Like. >> [ __ ] like that, you know? Like when I. was 17, like I'm I was still outside on. my block like all the time. You feel me? >> And you got bred like that. You still. outside? >> Yeah. Still outside riding around. through the neighborhood. Like I didn't. I didn't. really like lock in and fully focus on. my craft until I became like. 22 23 years old. Like for real for real.

I was still in in the hood and. going through all type of silly ass. [ __ ] You feel me? Like. >> you look back in half like man I. squandered some man I squandered some. damn good money on some foolishness. >> Yeah. And it's like I feel like I wasted. a lot of time where I really should have. been like. >> getting better. Like I feel like I I. feel like I would have 20 times more. than I have now if I had that mentality. early on because I would get up and I. wouldn't go to the studio. You know what.

I'm saying? Like I wouldn't go to the. studio. I would go outside. I go. shopping, go buy clothes, go get high, ride around my homies them just doing. [ __ ] like that and go to the studio when. somebody called me to go to the studio. It wasn't my mindset. Like I wouldn't. wake up like I want to go to the studio. >> It would have to be for my manager. Somebody were like, "Yeah, we got a. studio book. I need you to do this. I. need you to do that." Like my mindset. was never on music. It was just on being. in the streets. >> I woke up and wanted to be in the. streets like every day. So the purchases. are limitless. Like I was buying all.

type of like just car. I used to buy. cars and I was just so young and fried. I had money. Like I could have built my. credit up. I never wanted to put a car. in my name. Like I used to just tell. people like, "Yeah, go get me a car.". Like any way you can. Like I'll just pay. you. And I lose the car, impound it, and. never go get it back. Go build another. car. Like. >> what? >> Cuz I was so fried. I'm like, I don't. want the car in my name. [ __ ] Anything. happened, this [ __ ] don't need. to be in my name.

>> But you building credit like that. though. >> I didn't know nothing about no credit. Ain't nobody tell me like. >> I'm laughing talking about credit cuz. our credit was terrible. >> Yeah. Like I had 400 credit without. So I have to tell you saying when you. start getting the money your credit was. like Yeah. When I got some of this [ __ ]. >> No. No. To be honest with you, G. When I. got when I got. >> when I when I um I was in the league, man, I couldn't I had to get a co-signer. to get a car. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> But that's cuz we don't get taught about. credit though. Ain't nobody teach nobody.

about credit. Like. >> you're right about that. >> So it's like I And. >> my mom and them like they knew about it, but. >> I kind of like shut them out. You feel. me? Like my mom's and my pops. This what. I really regret though, like when it. come to family. I shouldn't let my. family in more cuz they had my best. interest. >> Yeah. >> And I was like shutting them out because. I felt like, >> man, y'all don't know what y'all talking. about. >> Y'all ain't never had no money like. this. How y'all telling me? >> Y'all don't know what y'all talking. about. You know what I'm saying? Like, and I really should have listened for.

real because my pops was trying to tell. me to like build your credit. Go through. this bad building. Like I was I ran. through like six cars in one year. like. buy a Porsche, crash it, do something, buy beans, buy this, buy a Jag, like. [ __ ] like that. Just. >> damn. >> stupid. >> You got kids now. What type of dad are. you trying to be? What What type of What. type of example are you trying to set. for your kids? >> Um, for real. For real. I want to.

like just being a 100 like being honest, bro. I just want to be 100 with my kids. >> I just want to be honest and let them. know like the harsh realities of like. the world. Okay. >> The stuff that I've been through to get. to where I am. You feel what I'm saying? And. >> especially with having a daughter. Like. >> I want to let her know like. >> [ __ ] ain't [ __ ] Like you know what. I'm saying? >> [ __ ] ain't [ __ ] You feel what I'm.

saying? Like I was this kind of man, baby. You feel what I'm saying? Like you. going to deal with this. Like you. beautiful. You going to deal with this. and just understand, but make your own. decisions as a woman. Do what you want. to do, but know right from wrong. Know. what's right. Know what a man's. intentions is regardless. And then you. make your decision based off of that, right? >> Like especially for my daughter and. >> for my sons, I want them to. and I think a lot of people who like got. money and made it out and have kids.

that's like born out of poverty think. like this. Like I want my kids to know. how it feel to work hard and earn. something. >> Yeah. Like. >> something. Just know how it feels to. work hard and earn. And with my oldest. son, I see it like he's very spoiled and. privileged. >> So when I try to like be stern and. >> discipline him, I feel like a. conversation and go further than a. whooping. Like I can't really hit him. all the time when he doing wrong, right? I got to talk to him and tell him like.

this is what you did. This is what I. feel like you should have done. This is. what happens if you keep on going down. this road. You feel what I'm saying? And. he only 7 years old. So I got to talk to. him and have them kind of conversations. Like I want to be that dad where you. like. >> you could trust me. You feel me? And my. father was and I get that from my father. but I didn't I was naive where I felt. like I shouldn't talk to him and I could. have talked to my dad about anything I.

was going through and he wouldn't have. judged me. He would have helped me like. I was afraid because. >> for a long time I feared my dad. >> you know like. >> it's I mean you're supposed to fear your. parents you know but you should like. respect him and feel comfortable enough. where you can talk to him. Yeah. >> Like I would lie to him before I tell. him the truth because I was afraid of. what he might think or what he might do. I don't want my kids to feel like they. got to lie to me. I want my kids to feel. like they could tell me the truth. And I. might be highly disappointed. You know. what I'm saying? But you got to tell me.

the truth. And I didn't learn that about. my dad until I became an adult. When I. became an adult, me and my dad got real. close. Like we became best friends. But. for years, I didn't communicate with him. about certain [ __ ] And he was right. there. Like he was with my mom in the. house with me. And I wouldn't tell him. certain [ __ ] because it's like. I feared him until I didn't. You know. what I'm saying? So it's like it got to. a point where it's like. >> I ain't scared of you no more. I don't. got to tell you [ __ ] You feel me? Like. I don't want my kids to like that with. me. >> Yeah.

>> Why was it important for you to wait. until you became financially stable and. before you had kids? >> Um yeah, that was that was mandatory for. me. I had to like I just felt like. the stuff that I seen like. >> with pe my family and people around like. I wanted to be able to provide for my. kids and be able to like do it. comfortably like. >> right. >> I couldn't I couldn't see myself having. a baby and I'm just still on knucklehead.

[ __ ] You feel what I'm saying? Like I. couldn't. >> And you a or you a baby yourself. basically? >> Yeah. Exactly. So it's like I didn't I. knew like you know how you get that gut. feeling that intuition like all right. it's cool I could have a kid like you. get to a point where like you get enough. success or money like I could have a kid. cuz I want to have a kid I don't even. got to have to be with the mama if I. don't want to. You feel what I'm saying? Like. >> that was kind of like my mentality when. I was growing up. Like you know like I'm. like hell no I ain't. >> I ain't having no kid right now at all. because I don't want to deal with like.

no baby mama [ __ ] and not having to. control as like you know when women get. upset they do spiteful stuff especially. when money involved. You know what I'm. saying? So, it's like no matter what, I. wanted to always be in a position where. even if we not cool or on the best of. terms or whatever, I could provide for. you because you the mother of my child. or provide for my kid. Like, I. understood that cuz I seen it so many. times. I seen my aunties. >> crashing out and doing the worst of the. worst because you mad about the smallest.

thing. You feel what I'm saying? That. really could just be a conversation and. me the most frustrated when we broke. >> Yeah. >> So, it's like you don't want to talk. You don't want to have conversations. You don't want to do this. And you just. be like, like you might neglect your. kid, you might neglect your baby mama or. whatever the case is because you like, I. need to go get some money. I don't even. want to talk to you. So you miss it so. much. It's like I never wanted to be. that guy. >> Right. >> Your your son is on social media. >> Yeah. >> And he went viral because he said, "Stop. calling me a Y. Calling me a YM.".

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> And I mean that had made me proud. >> You took the words out. I said that had. to make you feel good. >> Yeah. No, that made me super proud, man. It's like my kid, he's he's really. smart. Yosan is very very smart. He's. very articulate. Like. >> he and I don't even know what made him. say that. You feel what I'm saying? It's. like. >> because he look up to me, don't get me. wrong. Like he look up to me and he like. read stuff like he know like I I'm come. from the streets. I've been through.

certain stuff and it's like. >> he just was like I don't want to be. classified as no yin. You know what I'm. saying? >> Does he ask you about Does he ask you. about your upbringing? Does he ask you a. little bit about what. >> Yeah. Yeah, he do. Like he asks me about. like certain stuff like what I did to. ever be arrested, >> right? >> And if like. like ask me about like my homies who. passed away. You see what I'm saying? [ __ ] like that. Like what happened what. happened when you got shot cuz he it's. it's all public record.

>> He can see it. He can the internet now. is different. >> That's what you got to protect. for sure. Like you got to protect your. kids from that and you got to. >> be so. in front of it where it's like you don't. make split decisions because it's going. to be there forever, right? >> You feel what I'm saying? >> Yeah. >> So yeah, he asked me certain stuff and I. I I got to tell him the truth. >> You got to cuz you going to go read go. dig and read and find out. >> And I told like I had a conversation. with him not too long and I'm like son.

the streets is like it's bad. like you. you live a great life. Like you know. what I'm saying? Your dad is a. millionaire. Your mom a millionaire. You. feel what I'm saying? Like. >> you don't you don't have to. >> make the choices. >> make the choices that I made. You feel. what I'm saying? Because he's still like. he might go around like family members, my cousins on my mom and them side like. they still in the trenches a little bit. You feel what I'm saying? >> I got to remind him like you're not that. kid. Like. >> when you want to live that lifestyle, it's only two things that come from it. Death or in jail. You know what I'm.

saying? Like literally and you have the. opportunity to be everything you want to. be, anything you want to be. Like you so. smart. You feel what I'm saying? Like. you don't have to like because the. internet like he want to. >> be around his cousins them and and they. listen to like King Von Jeff music but. y'all not that though. It's okay to. listen to the music and enjoy it. You. could enjoy music. Your dad a rapper. It's cool. >> But don't fall so deep into it where you. want to like idolize it. >> and be that. Yes.

>> And be that, you know. So. >> I had to have that conversation with. him. And his mom even called me like. >> I don't know what's wrong with him where. he think he like tough. You know what. I'm saying? You know, >> she like, "You ain't tough, boy. Your. ass live in a penthouse up here." Like, you feel what I'm saying? Like you ain't. never had a tough day in your life. You. feel me? So like I had to have these. conversations with him, you know? And. then it's like. >> my son is a regular kid, but he a. celebrity. So everybody like boost him. up and let him get away with it. Like. yeah, your son is is cute to them. You.

feel what I'm saying? It's like it's. cool when you seven, but then when you. get 17, you gonna be a problem. >> And you think it's that, you know what. I'm saying? So, I'm I I had those. conversations with him where he know for. sure like, nah, that's not what we. doing. Like. >> co-parenting. >> Mhm. >> Um, you make it work. >> Mhm. >> I mean, you go on vacation. >> Thank God. >> How you able to do that? Um, for me, man, I'm not gonna lie. It's like I. always just. with women, you got to be able to.

forgive. Like, you feel what I'm saying? You got to be able to forgive and you. got to be able to hold yourself. accountable too when you do wrong. You. know what I'm saying? >> For sure. >> Exactly. So, it's like, >> but that ain't how we operate. >> That's not how. >> I just want to talk about what you did. Don't worry about what I did. We'll talk. about that later. We can be 20. >> Yeah, for sure. So, like with me, I just. I promise, bro, I I always like felt. like, man, it's going to be all right. Like, [ __ ] get greater later. Like, whenever I'm going through [ __ ] with my. girl, even at home, or I was going. through [ __ ] with my baby mama.

>> Yeah. >> I just always was able to like forgive. >> And sometimes my girls used to get mad. at me like, "You just forgive her all. the time." Like, no matter what she do, it's like I don't really take it. personal cuz it's like I know for a fact. I'm not going like No, I'm not going to. say I don't take it personal. I took a. lot of [ __ ] personal. When you and you. young so take all I know for the love of. my son I can't hate you. You feel what. I'm saying? Like I feel like that'll. make me a bad dad. It's certain people. who really like.

>> start hating they bae mama. So now it. kind of like. >> it dictate how you parent your child. Correct. You feel what I'm saying? Like. I never wanted to be that guy. >> And guess what? >> That situation won't ever change. Always. going to be the mother of your child. So. whether you he's 6 months, he's six, 16, 26, 36, >> regardless, she. >> Yeah. And I never wanted my son to grow. up and be like. >> treating my mama bad, you feel me? Like, >> so that was always something that like I. just was like, man, >> I I got the short end of the stick, a.

lot a lot a lot. Just just trying to be. like, man, I just. >> I just want this [ __ ] to work somehow. Like, you feel what I'm saying? Because. like. >> you my woman, I love you. You feel what. I'm saying? This my son, mom. You feel. what I'm saying? I'm going have love for. them regardless, you know, because it's. my son mom and I love my son. unconditionally and I have to no matter. what. Like even if I'm upset my son, he's smart as [ __ ] bro. Like I could be. mad. >> Me and his mama probably was arguing or. some [ __ ] and then it's like when I pick. him up, I don't want to like.

>> argue that energy around. I'm going to. be like, "Hey, what's up, >> get my son, get in the car." You feel. what I'm saying? Like [ __ ] like that. So. it's like I always was able to just like. >> a fan [ __ ] under the rug. A fan caught a. disagreement you seemingly was having. with one of your kids uh in the car. >> Yeah. >> It's just. >> one of my mom with Tyena you said. Yeah. No, >> you know what's so crazy? It was. recently like right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. >> this situation me and her wasn't. arguing. >> Why?

>> She was frustrated because actually me. and my security him right there. I was. arguing with this guy right there in. front of me. >> Me and him. So, it was like a situation. where we was in a club and I had like. words with a security guard. >> and just telling him like, "Man, move. around. Get away from me.". >> And uh I think he did something that. offended my girl, >> right? >> Like, and you know, and I was like. telling him like, you feel what I'm. saying? Telling him like he did. something that offended her and he was. like kind of like my security was just.

like, "All right, cool. I know him.". Like he was like I'm trying to tell her. to explain this story like explain it. and he was like talking back to me. So. me and him just me and my we like this. We like brothers. So it's like. >> we have those heated arguments. >> And when I'm when I'm on 10, I'm on 10. You can't really like calm down. >> Ain't no ain't no reason. Ain't no. ratchet. >> I'm already on 10. So my window is down. And Tyena kept telling me like, "Let. your window down." I mean, let your. window up. You arguing somebody is going. to catch you. Like. >> somebody's like, she know like she don't.

she don't play that [ __ ] She don't want. to go viral. She don't want no type of. nothing. Like you feel what I'm saying? She telling me like, "Let your window. up. Somebody's going to record you. arguing cuz it's fans walking out." I'm. not listening to her. I didn't care. Me. and him already. We already heated. I'm like, "Man, all. that." So when the. >> girl walked up, she just catch me. arguing. But she catched Tyena like with. an attitude too, like telling me like, "Let your window up. I'm steady telling. you, let your window up." And she see. the girl recording. So they thought I. was arguing with her, but I never was.

arguing with her. I was arguing with my. security. >> Yeah, it was him back. >> It was him. It was history. women. Cardi B said it's more like do. you see a woman to go after a man in a. relationship as opposed to a man going. after a woman in a relationship. >> So like I don't really get what she. meant by that though. >> She said women like if say if a guy's in. a relationship, it's more likely that a. woman would approach a man knowing he's. in a relationship as opposed to a man.

knowing a woman is in a relationship. would approach her. >> I believe that. >> You agree with Yeah, I agree with that. >> I think I do too. >> I agree with her. >> Cuz hey, you introduce you, hey, how you. doing? I got a man. >> Once you tell me you got a man, I'm. good. >> Yeah. >> You can't have no friends. You know, I. hate none of that. You You told me you. got a man. I'm cool with that. >> Exactly. I'm cool. Cuz I already know. how men are. Men men might not even like. that woman. >> Yeah. >> But let another man show interest in. them. >> Exactly. >> Now you got a problem. I don't want no.

problem. >> Absolutely. Cuz I'm just going by what. she said. She said she didn't have. nobody. >> She got somebody. >> Yeah. >> Well, let me take that back. She might. not have him, but he got. >> her, right? >> So, it's still a problem. >> Mhm. For sure. And then it's like with. women I ain't understand it early on, you know, cuz I was I was raised by. women for real. So, I understand. I. understand like. >> women like I heard some real [ __ ] when I. was young like women emotions are like.

like oceans. Like men say what they. mean. Women say what they feel. >> Correct. >> You know, so it's like. >> when you when you dealing with a woman, especially if you in love with her and. you love your woman and you doing right. by her, women to try to really come. between it. You know what I'm saying? To. really try to like, you know, just. >> want what the next woman got. Correct. You know what I'm saying? Like I feel. like men don't really do that. Like men. don't really be like, "Oh yeah, I want. this cuz so and so got it." They just. Yeah. Like that's not really in our. nature. You feel me? So I I definitely. agree with her when she say that for.

sure. And then you thinking about it, certain men would not like if you got. sense common sense like me and you got. it's like. >> you know the certain men going to go to. the furthest extent about a woman like. some of the biggest empires some of the. biggest world the wars in the world. started over a woman. You feel what I'm. saying? So, it's like if you're not. really willing to risk your life or risk. your freedom and do certain [ __ ] behind. trying to pursue a woman and you know. that that's probably what come with it.

It's like nine times out of 10 most men. just going to wash their hands when they. see it getting to a certain extent. You. feel what I'm saying? Like, >> so women not like that though. When. women feel that friction from a woman. and they going back, they just keep. going. You feel what I'm saying? Like. it's the opposite, >> right? I saw I saw this thing the other day. Let me know what you think. They said. like men would probably if a woman if. his girl, significant other, whatever. the case may be, cheated on him. If his.

friends didn't know, homeboys didn't. find out, he would probably take her. back. But it's when the homies or the. friends find out. >> Yeah. >> He can't do it. >> Yeah. >> He can't. >> That's a lot. >> That's a lot. Yeah. It's like, nah, I. can't. Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. >> That's why you keep your stuff off the. internet. That's why you keep people out. of your business. You can work a lot of. things out. Just you and her. >> You and her. For sure. >> But the moment because if you date. publicly, you got to break up publicly.

>> Yeah. Definitely. >> If everybody's in your business and they. know you dating such and such, when you. break up, everybody going to be in your. business and know why you broke up. >> Yeah. No, definitely. And like I feel. like I definitely feel like that's true. It's like when if you love somebody. enough, you could see past a lot of. stuff. >> You can you can. >> you can work past it. You feel what I'm. saying? But then when you got a lot of. people in your ear, >> the homeboy, >> you know, like. >> man the sharp I know I know you ain't. going to put up with that.

>> That be g that be gassy, man. The sharp. I know. >> That's tough, >> man. I've been knowing, man. I know you. 40 years. >> That's tough. That's tough for sure. That's definitely tough. I don't lie. cuz it's like as a as a man like you. know we we possessive as well. It's like. this mine. You know what I'm saying? Like. >> this is mine. >> So like. even if your girl might have stepped out. on you or did certain [ __ ]. >> it's like you really deep down don't. want to see her with nobody else. You.

feel me? Like you don't want to see her. with nobody else. But your pride might. let you like all right you lose her. And. you might really live your whole life in. regret like damn this the one I let get. away. You feel what I'm saying? Like I. done seen that [ __ ] happen a lot of. times like with my uncles like. >> people in my family. I didn't seen that. happen a lot. You feel what I'm saying? And. >> I think my mom and dad like lasted and. been together 30 40 years cuz no matter. what my daddy was not letting my mama. leave. I didn't seen my mama try to. leave my daddy a couple times.

>> He n she he wouldn't let her go. >> They took that death do apart. >> He wouldn't let her go. Like I know for a fact my mama tried to. leave my daddy at least three four. times, >> right? >> Can men be in platonic relationships. with women? Can you have a a best friend. >> that's a that's a woman? >> Um I believe so. I really believe you. can for sure. It's just like certain men. like if you attracted to a woman that's. another thing I think that's what. >> Yeah, that's that's the problem.

>> That's what make it frustrating. You. can't be attracted to your best friend. cuz y'all know too much about each. other. one of y'all going to try each. other at some point. You definitely do. feel like that though. Like you know. like. >> um. >> I seen it for sure. Like I've never. >> I think just cuz I was in the streets I. never like befriended a woman before. >> Because I just know like women's. emotions like I just feel like I could. never really trust a woman unless I'm in. an intimate relationship with them. >> Correct. >> I couldn't trust a woman to just be my. friend and know [ __ ] about me. Like.

>> only person I open up to is my woman. >> Woman. So, hey, you coming up on 30. >> Mhm. >> Uh, married. >> And this sh something else, man. I need. something. >> Hey, YOU GOT YOU TAKE THE BOTTOM. >> This Shay Smooth, man. >> Hey, y'all. >> Sh is a [ __ ] man. >> So, marriage in the future. I mean, you. I mean, you want more kids, you want a. wife. >> That's That's where I'm at with life. Like, that's my next step. I'm I'm f to. get married. Like, for real, I'm about.

to marry my woman. I think I was. >> You going to go and do that, huh? >> Yeah. Yeah. Hell yeah. I'm about to. marry. And that was really just like. >> just that elevation in growth. Like I. was always that I'm a critical thinker. 10 steps ahead. I ain't want to get. married till I could afford a ring that. cost 300,000. >> Awareness a million. Like [ __ ] like. that. Like. >> I was always on that type of time. Like. I I always envision myself to have that. You feel me? I kind of cut my relationship because. she didn't want she didn't even want.

that like all that. That's what I was. like. Let me go get the money, do this, and do. that and get in a comfortable space. where it's like, all right, I could do. it, right? >> You know, big weddings are to press. other people. That ain't for you or your. girl. >> And I wanted to impress other. I did, but it was still like for her too. though because when a woman feel that. it's like you don't you don't get to. experience that again. You know what I'm. saying? Like you only get one life. You. only get one real dream wedding and [ __ ]. like that. You feel what I'm saying? But. like where I am right now though, like.

I'm I definitely I can't wait to marry. my girl. >> So that that soon we what we talk we. talking a year, two years. >> Yeah, for sure. Hell yeah. I'm ready to. like. >> You ready to do that thing now? You see. you seem g you set up in the chair with. >> Get on one knee right now. Ready to go. home and play. >> Drill rap. Are you shocked that New York. and UK taking over drill rap? Honestly, I'm not I'mma be honest. >> really. >> because.

like I I feel like Chicago kind of lost. touch with drill. >> like just the. >> and what I mean by that is like the. production, the sound, you know, like. >> the uptempo [ __ ] like. >> Yeah. >> in Chicago drill. >> it always was about like street [ __ ]. You know what I'm saying? You talking. about gangster [ __ ] right? But I think. Chicago just got too gangster where they. just talking about it ain't even like. appealing. Like where Drill came out, that [ __ ] you could play that [ __ ]. it'll turn the whole club up,

>> right? >> Like turn everything up. >> And when New York and the UK learned to. master that, they mastered and started. making hits from it. >> I haven't heard a a real drill hit from. Chicago that's undeniable in so long. Like, yeah, the young [ __ ] they go. up, they talk about street [ __ ] and. [ __ ] but it's like I feel like we lost. that touch of drill. >> And New York and the UK, especially the. UK still got it for sure. Like, it's. kind of dying out a little bit in New. York, but in the UK 100% like. >> they got it when it comes to the drill.

wave. You feel what I'm saying? Like, I'mma give it to them. I tilt my hat as. one of the pioneers of, you know what. I'm saying, drill rap. >> Um, and I think that's only because you. have to, no matter what you rapping. about, that [ __ ] got to be catchy, bro. They they still making undeniable hits. on the drill [ __ ] You feel what I'm. saying? It's like I'm a fan of it. I. listen to it myself. >> All right, we going to get you out of. here on this one. Tell us about the. album and what made you choose the the. photo that you chose for it. >> Um, I just wanted to like.

go back and like remind the world of who. I am, like what it took to get here, like where I come from. You feel what. I'm saying? because I could really be. dead on jail right now, you know, and. >> I've done so much and. >> I had a conversation with my manager. with Mick. He told me like, "Bro, you don't really understand like how. much legendary [ __ ] like you didn't.

really did. Like you really like. somebody that's influenced and impacted. so many lives and done so much and you. got so much to go.". >> Yeah. like you have you still have your. trajectory is so high after you. >> you come a long way. you got a long way to go like it's still. looking good for you you know what I'm. saying. >> and. >> when he said that. >> I just started like going back looking. at my old videos like looking at old. interviews and like googling like my old.

pictures when I was a kid and I came. across those mug shots and I'm like I'm. going to make this my album cover you. know what I'm saying Like I wanted to. like paint that picture and tell a. story. Like I've been doing it at a high. level kind of since I was a teenager, but at that time I was really like. I was up against a lot. Like that kid on. that mug shot could not be here right. now. You feel what I'm saying? >> And I wanted to like people to see the.

pain in my ass. Like when I put the. first announcement out my first mug. shot, I was like 11 years old. >> Wow. >> I couldn't believe it. Like I seen that. picture like I was a key. I look like. your son going to jail. I couldn't. picture me seeing my son with a mug. shot. You feel what I'm saying? It's. like. >> that just let you know what we was up. against early on. You feel me? Like. >> it could have went totally left, but I. did it right. Like I went the right way. You feel what I'm saying? And that's. what I wanted to like show the world.

because I'm always, don't get me wrong, I got my core fan base, the people who. love and support me, but I'm trying to. tell that story to the people who never. heard me ever before, like never heard. my name. >> So that's what I wanted to like, you. know, because you might hear Gerbo and. all you probably know is went legit, >> right? >> You don't know nothing about Walking the. Face on Land. You don't know nothing. about that kid that was 15, 16 years old. on the block freestyling and made it. from there to here. You feel me? So like. that's why I chose that picture for. sure.

>> Go cop the album. Little Herb. Here he. is. Gerbo. all my life. Been grinding all my life. Sacrifice. Hustle paid the price. Want a. slice. Got to roll a dice. That's why. all my life I've been grinding all my. life. All my life. Been grinding all my. life. Sacrifice. Hustle. Paid the price. Want a slice. Got to roll a dice. That's. why all my life I've been grinding all. my life.