E-40 FULL EPISODE | EPISODE 25 | CLUB SHAY SHAY

hello welcome to another edition of club. shayshay i am your host also the. proprietor of club shayshay. and the guy that's coming by for a drink. and conversation today. wow he's a big one he's a rapper. songwriter. record executive a mogul entrepreneur. he's been in the game over 30 years. mr sprinkled me the bay area's finest. and you can't mention the brap game. without mentioning his name forty water. mr e40. all my life been grinding all my life. sacrifice. hustle pay the price wanna slice got to.

roll the dice that's why. all my life i've been grinding all my. life look all my life. been running all my life sacrifice. hustle paid the price. wanna slice. what's up what's up family how you doing. buddy man i'm good man thanks for. stopping by today man i really. appreciate it. thank you thank you for having me ma'am. but you know before we get started you. know we've been dealing with this.

pandemic for like the last 16 months. club shay had a hard time getting this. reserve in you know so but uh. i reached out to my good friend he. fought and i got some of this there's. some of this tycoon cognac. hello tycoon cognac right here man. you know you know i know you got a lot. of spirits you got tycoon. you got earl stephens wine you got the. e40 floricane. you got a tequila bruh you got a lot of. got a lot of irons in the fire talk to. me about it. uh you know i started off selling wine.

online and everybody knows natural like. an afro for me to speak about. adult beverages because all my career. from 1988 on. up you know what i'm saying that's all i. talk about you know i used to talk about. a lot of wine you know i said i always. talk about cognac and stuff like that. and. everything but anyway to make a long. story short i had an opportunity to sell. wine online because i'm right next door. to napa. california right you know that's wine. country all right lay hell with the same. area code you know i can. stick my arm out there and now i'm in. napa you know what i mean that's how. close we are so.

i actually um started selling earl. stephen's wine online i didn't want to. call it e40 or no other drink i just. want to call it my real name earl. stevens. and give him that and i wanted to make. it when you know if somebody seen it. and they wouldn't know that's me but. those who you know my real name is earl. stevens. would know it's me you feel me right and. i wanted to do that like. on a speak easy type of note you know. what i mean like just like a whis the. whisper circuit like you know to see 40. stuff. right you know what i mean so a lot of. people right now don't even know earl. stephens is me they don't even know.

that's my. wine the mango scott are going crazy. eighteen percent alcohol. anyway i sell wine online and uh and. then i ended up selling uh going to a. distributor called southern glazed wine. spirits. they tasted it they was like okay we in. i sold. a few cases to a few retail stores next. to you know i saw. 56 cases to a store in valeo called food. for less. from food for less that was a whole. pallet next thing you know it was a. truckload then southern glazed wine. spirits picked up a truckload. delivered it to all the on-premise and. off-premise general market all over the.

chain stores all that. and it just went and it took off from. there and that was 2014. let me ask you a question what's the. difference between earl stevens products. and e40 products okay e40 products is. more or less like. the earl stevens products is kind of. like um. um ultra premium like super premium. you know what i'm saying um the the e40. products is like a uh. you know pre-mixed cocktail drinks ready. to drink pre-mixed cocktail drinks like. the hurricane e-47 hurricane blue lagoon.

um e40 slurry cane sweet tea e40 slurry. cave. hurricane which i got from new orleans. and e40's hurricane. yellow bird which i got from the bahamas. when i you also i think you sell pots. and pans i see your. i see you on social media you be cooking. you call yourself the goon with a spoon. what got you into cooking and do you. like cooking. well i i'd love cooking man you know. being the oldest of four.

uh you know i had to you know had to. make a way out of nowhere you know my. mom and pop stay divorced. when i was eight and a half but my dad. always stayed in our life you know what. i'm saying he stayed there check paid. child support but. but but for the majority of the. situation i was the man of the house. you know we moved to a whole another. side of town and my mom had to work two. or three jobs and i had to you know be. to. be the oh i was the oldest i had to be a. father figure to my. my siblings you know right and so uh. you know two uh two brothers that was in. that house and my sister sugar tea so.

you know what i'm saying so we. all we was raised i i just taught our. self talk connor and then i also worked. at a restaurant in benisha california. called the commandos restaurants which i. think. way back then was pretty much a michelin. star restaurant because all the rich. people used to go there and i started. off center. you know i started off um watching. dishes. you know what i'm saying as a teenager. in there and then. i worked my way up real quick i started. watching this uh working in the pantry. making the um. making uh what you call that stuff um oh.

my god calamari and all that calamari. and then i started learning how to cook. chicken corn on blue. um you know when i went to the kitchen. cooked chicken cordon bleu um. um escargot uh london broil. uh orange roughy fish like you know with. almonds and pear. pan fried you know what i'm saying with. uh and mussels. mussels with wine salt lemon lemon so in. other words you just picked up this by. just watching the chefs and the other. cooks cook. because you're not really trained you. didn't go to school to be a chef or to.

be a cook. you just watch other people do it and. you like picked it up like hell i can do. that. yeah definitely the most definitely and. that's how it happened you know and when. my mother-in-law bought me a uh. in 2014 she bought me a power pressure. cooker i'm like i used to always hear. you know you know see grandmom and them. all the grand mamas they had. perfect but they had the old-fashioned. kind that yeah put on the store they cut. the kind is kind of dangerous right. yeah you got to know how to really work. them things with these when they came. with the electric ones. i was like oh this is this is this is. easy and so i started learning that then.

i started just. cooking everything in there then i just. started doing all the i've been knowing. how to cook sauce then i started working. my pots and pans game. you know my oven game you know so i. became the goon with the spoon. which you know that's a street word my. cousin be legit made that up. you know what i'm saying he cried he. said he came with the gun with the spoon. you smell me and i just turned it into a. you know we both say it in our lyrics. that's what we do we share a gang. because we from the same thing and. you know we pick up things from each. other and that's and i'll be in it i. didn't know it was going to be coming. this big so it became real big so i was.

like. i had my boy cousin feet have his guy. make me a logo. and he made that and it was the groom. with the spoon and we just took it there. because the feet love you too man i. meant to tell you that's the guy i was. telling you about earlier. right master p i talked to him the other. day. um and he was talking about you and him. go back all these years. and he had mad respect for you say. that's my brother and he was telling me. how he uh. hooked you up with the noodles and he. was like man he's like hey we eat. noodles. so let's let's go ahead and put out put. our iron in the fire and let's see we.

can get cooking with this. because i think sometimes 40 is that. people look they're always looking to. invent something that's never been. invented. as opposed to it there's something. that's already there how about we. approve. improve on that and sell that to our to. our. to our communities that's right why not. we can do. we you know now black owned businesses. is in full effect. you know he always had that state of. mind i did as well we learned that early. age. early and that we had we like that in. music we was independent me and him we.

come up into my uncle saint charles. you know what i'm saying so you know uh. you know he got he he came with like. they had rap snacks. years ago and they re they brought it. back out him and james. you know and then it went to noodles and. then that now it's. cereal and all kind of they doing their. thing you feel me right and on my end. i'm doing my thing you know with the. adult beverages and also got. the going with the spoon products coming. very soon as well and we all talk and. it's all love we too. it's teamwork make the dream work you. know if he had a choice you know. uh james got at me and said he wants you.

on these on on these noodles man. the icon noodles you know and that's an. honor and a pleasure you know cause you. know. he he he don't just pick anybody you. know people do man so he. just gonna so you know that show. automatically how much love he got for. me we break when we break it bread you. know what i'm saying that's how we do it. so. we're trying to pre we're trying to. preach black on you know. entrepreneurship. you know what i'm saying just you know. being being being the vendor of record. you know the vendor of record is very. important you know. so that's that's that's what i am with.

adult beverages 100 owner of everything. that i do. you know and it don't have to be 100. owner you can have um business partners. i got a business partner in um the. olympia company which i own a restaurant. a filipino restaurant his name is alex. rototto chef alex olympia chef. you know what i'm saying so you know you. know when you team up like that. maybe one day we'll do a goon with the. spawn slash uh. rap snacks uh you know brand or. something you never know. you know vice versa so you we just it's. all about. you know you scratch my back i scratch. yours bro let's go teamwork make the.

dream work let's let's do this man. you being from the bay area how much did. being. from the bay and knowing they have. silicon valley. and knowing that you're right next to. napa how did that weigh. on you like because you've invested in. startups you have these spirits you have. the wine. how heavily did that influence you being. so close you're like man i'm right here. i might as well take advantage of this. man you know be just being a good dude. you know i treat people like i want to.

be treated you know correct. and what i want for myself i want for. others i'm a congratulator not a hater. you know what i'm saying. cuz i know let me tell you something if. you hate on somebody you ain't gonna. have no good luck that stuff's gonna. come right back on you. you know what i'm saying and it ain't in. my blood. like i wan and i and especially when i. know our people come from the mud we. come from the grit. we come from the [ __ ] octagon. you know what i'm saying right. and i want to see us all win because. there's enough money out there for. everybody you know so being in that uh.

being right there. valeo nappa and being in between vallejo. got a bit the best of all worlds of the. bay area. we got a little we gotta we got our own. thing maybe we got we we drink that. we from that mayor island water special. people come from valet or something. about that mere island water i'm trying. to tell you some real stuff and that's. bay area water too. right you can catch the ferry from valeo. straight direct. a straight shot to san francisco. same water we share the same water but. the mirror island water that little.

surrounding. dead water is something special so we. got the best of all worlds you know get. you know being having relatives and. certain cities and all that stuff and. just being creative. we all locked in now i tell you what um. um silicon valley shout out to my man. chameleon there. you know what i'm saying yeah chameleon. there my cousin tyson. got at me and he was like you know. chameleon they're doing these startup. companies. you know you might want to holler at him. at that time you know this is like 2012. 2013.

right well i didn't really know too much. about it and i was like trying i knew. about it but i. didn't like i was like how you do it so. i kind of. come by that time comedian here i hit a. few times he had. a company it was a couple of companies. he got in uh in the early stage startups. uh that that that you know got acquired. and got an. ipo he had youtubes so by the time i got. in. uh it's like 2016. so i ended up now i'm. it's 20 21 now. i'm 45 40 between 45 and depending on.

the next month. between 45 and 48 startup companies. deep that i'm in early stage startups a. lot of people. know i'm an early stage investor in. clubhouse one of the hottest things out. right now. right you know what i mean that thing. evaluated at a billion within months. yes and and it looked like it's going to. be 5 billion at the end of the summer. so you know i i ended up getting my feet. wet in startup companies as well shout. out to chameleon there you might see us. at the basketball games courtside. hanging out.

right my friend for many years you know. i'm saying. let me ask you this go back to your your. culinary skills. what's your favorite thing to cook my. favorite thing to cook. is maybe uh fried rice. chicken and shrimp fried rice you know. what i'm saying. i would say oxtails yeah i love some. mocktail but you can't find them we. can't find them right here in southern. california. you go to all the stores they're out are. you serious. a lot of cats from southern california. got that southern emphasis yeah you know.

what's up. hey check this out i had the craving. because you know my daddy from. mississippi okay grandma i'm in. granddadding them they are from. louisiana. okay i got that you know they didn't you. know i'm from that i'm from the shoe. you know you know that i'm from i ain't. studying you i'm from that era. i'm i'm. south dude you know what i'm saying i. live i stayed at grandma i went to. grandma state university of louisiana. like it's in me so you know my grandmama.

on my daddy's side straight from. mississippi her name. uh rip grandma rebecca she used to come. i go over there she over there making. hog head cheese with the eyelashes. eyeballs everything in it. well you know what that hog head cheese. you you really you really the outside. cause there a whole lot of people don't. buy hog head cheese. let me tell you my girl let me tell you. now let me tell you about my grandma on. my mama's side. she raised 11 kids her my grand name.

they want people that my granny was a. preacher for 60 years rp the mother. thurman and granddaddy thurman. you know what i'm saying and uh one day. i go over there to millersville in the. 1800 block. and i holler i i go holla at grandma. just to go visit him. she said she said grandson i'm going on. over there lucky for me and go pick up. me some chicken feet. i say what girl mama yeah some chicken. feet just ask the butcher just say. you're here for mother thurman. and i was like okay i'll do it for you. grandmama and so i went over there i. said hey i'm here to pick up.

some chicken feet from my grandma oh. mother thurman okay no problem dude had. it all packaged up ready to go and. everything i brought it to grandmama. grandmama had already had the uh cast. iron. uh cast iron uh skillet with grease. already warming up cause it's right. across the street. you know what i'm saying already warming. up all that good [ __ ]. man she had a little seasoning in the. bag already ready man she just washed. them off. cut the feet you know little pieces get. the toenails out get the toilet. off took the toenails off you know right. man she sticking things up put them.

things in there fry them up. and she she got to eat no things it was. it looked it it looked. kind of like different but i was i was. tempted to do it but i was kind of. younger i was like 19. you know what i'm saying you're like no. i will hold. but as i travel you know when we on the. road we stopping at flying j's and we. stopping at walmart we going through the. south midwest just. at third we're going to publix and all. these places we're seeing more and more. chicken feet i'll say man i kill all my. folks and say this my grandmama had me. get y'all see the chicken feet.

so it's common and sir it's common in. the south yeah that's what i'm saying. yes yeah because you know i grew up i'm. from rural south georgia i'm heavy. georgia. so i grew up eating bigger sandwiches. eating pigtails. eating chicken necks eating pig feet. eating you know the wild game the. squirrel the rabbit the raccoon pops. cause you know how i know i watch the. whole segment about you and your. your brother and your and your grandma. you love your grandma bro. you know what i'm saying she raised. y'all bro y'all had to walk hella far to. school it's a small.

i know your story i know the struggle. bro i know where you come from bro. and i'm proud of you too bro trust it. barty you mentioned i appreciate that. you mentioned that you started investing. in in startups and you're doing quite. well in that. has there been some opportunities that. you like i'm a pass on this. and they come to find out they hit. uh not yet because anything that that. has. i would say i would say um. fixtures that have been hit a few times.

if they involved it's like they ain't. involved. like i'm in i'm in the company one of. the ones with oprah and people don't. know what it is but it's. just one of them right now right beyonce. millionaire and our host. you know uh supreme partners team you. know what i'm saying. right and so we like we we all we like. we in it but we just don't say nothing. we just we cool. you know what i'm saying but like i say. i'm wait anytime you got some big names. or something in there that really didn't. already then. you know you know had a few companies. that didn't got acquired and an ipo.

you know you want you want you want to. get in you want to be in there. they know what it is because they think. about the future right. if the big dogs got their name attached. to it it's normally something good. it's normally something good bro what. what was your what was your first. business venture. my first business venture um was. i would say 1989. uh my brother uh my me and my brother.

had a clothing store it was called new. fad clothing right there in millersville. on solano avenue. okay and we bought a clothing store we. would get our clothes we were so. young that we wasn't able to have our. credit you know we you know we. we had to figure it out ourselves. because we self-taught and we self-made. and so we you know we would go to the. garment district you know what i'm. saying we would go to. garment to get our clothes we went to. new york like you know and got. you know get close but you know for a. lower price uh. we uh we went to the magic show the.

magic show used to be a big deal. and in las vegas we went to there back. then we got we hooked up with carl can i. cross colors major damage all those they. let us get in on cods. ups cod cash on delivery back then. right then and uh we would go to. cordelia if we didn't. if we missed them if we missed a drop. off or something like if they if we was. gone and they we're gonna pick up our. clothes there and. pay right there or whatever back this. you gotta remember this is the 80s the. late 80s. you know right so you know we had that.

we had new fat clothing up and running. so why take the little bread that i made. you know what i'm saying and go put a. down payment we have my man's studio. tone. you know which produced a whole bunch of. songs captain sabah and. a whole bunch of secreted records slaps. you know what i said he stayed his. his we have studio we had new fad. clothing. next to that was davenport then further. down you had. rich arts barbershop you know i said do. you have studio tone studio so i'll take. the little bread. that i make and i'm gonna put a down. payment down there on studio touchdown.

stewart. he'll go you know he got 100 bucks man. let me let me get in next thursday i. have my lyrics already written all i. need is like four hours. and i'm gonna come in here and knock out. about four or five songs that i was a. youngster so i. i knock out four or five songs complete. right away like you know cats go in. there and knock out songs. but this was with a lot of thought in it. you know what i'm saying right they go. in there knock out a song. and just do a verse or a verse and a. half no hook it'll be incomplete i had. my tupac on i go in there and i got four. songs right away you know what i'm.

saying. that was my first business venture right. there so you've been you've been about. this hustle thing for a minute just a. teenager so. you got the clothes you got that you. started a little clothing thing but. it seems to me you were doing the. clothing thing because music was always. because you're like okay i got a hundred. dollars. i'm gonna need some i'm gonna need some. boot time next thursday. so that clothing was the was. the the start was the gateway to what. you really wanted to do.

which was music that's right that's what. it was it helped me out tremendously. you know what i mean and i i always had. you know. i used to work at the i used to have a. uh a paper route. okay what i'm saying and on that paper. uh my granddaddy had one earlier too she. he had one early in the morning the. papers would be delivered to me he'd. come pick me up and it'd be delivered to. him too but he'll pick me up. and uh and i it'll be early in the. morning before school like 5 00 a.m. you know what i'm saying remember mind. you i was in band i played the drums. from the fourth grade all the way to the.

12th grade that. they didn't have studios and stuff like. that back when i was in the fourth grade. on. up you know what i mean everything was. manually so anyway so remember i had. zero period band that means you got a. dang near be. at school at like 7 30. so i had to be. already dressed everything so granddaddy. could pick me up 4 35 a.m in the morning. and so one day i'm on the paper route. with him and uh. i'm i was a i was a observer of the game. i've always been a student of the game. so i always pay attention to older. people and everything and i just used. everything around me and one day i'm in.

the car with him he was like. it was just me and him he just grandson. i said hey granddad he just you were. you were a heavy thinker huh. [Laughter]. i say i have great daddy because i was. in deep stuff i just be. that's why i'm so thrilled like this i'm. just a thinker. you know what i'm saying and and that's. why i'm woke but. yeah man i always i used to work for. south. in south valeo uh during the summer at.

vale neighborhood housing because i drew. i used to like to draw so i take an old. house you know what i'm saying and i. draw the old house and then show how. it's going to look at the end of it. when it's done completely refurbished. and everything yeah i used to do that. man i used to do. you know i was a i never let grass grow. under my feet man wasn't letting uh. stainless steel but an old ass heel and. a broken down bonneville on my behalf. you feel me. so what what inspired you to get into. the music what inspired you to rap. what inspired me to rap was when i first.

heard the sugar hill gang. 1979 thank you rapper delight. rapper's delight boy when i heard that. i'm like what the hell is this new form. of music. you know and it was just everybody at my. school was singing it it was new. and i knew that song all the way through. it was about 20 minutes long but. everybody knew it. everybody knew that song man the chicken. the wood the chicken tastes like. something it was like all kind of the. hip hop yeah. i mean you gotta remember that was you. know hip-hop who was. 79 what was that that's reference 79 yep.

41 years ago 42 years ago when it came. out that's a trip bro so. basically uh that made me start rapping. just playing around. right you know but before them listen. now when you started your your style. didn't immediately catch on it wasn't. until years later. that people appreciated your style your. flow. your cadence and to this day nobody has.

ever been able to replicate. what you've been able to do on the mic. no because my style is unpredictable. because. i don't even know how i'm a flow like it. just depends on. how to beat sound or what what what you. know whatever direction. my flows take me because i'm all over. the place like space. right everywhere like air you know um. and so it's like. i just because i can do it all bro i can.

rap slow. and i can rap fast i rise real slow laid. back. cuz i like mob music and then i just. turn to turn it on then. here come that you know that that that. mouthpiece with a shift kit in it you. know. right i guess just get the gassing you. know what i'm saying that's when the. dual exhaust is kicking in then. when i take off that's [ __ ]. like oh my god this [ __ ] oh there's. something wrong with it. you know what i'm saying yeah so. but this but the style and the way you. do it the words the cadence.

that's what it is i mean your flow like. i said nobody has ever been able to. replicate that you know we've seen. rappers that you know rescue soul pop. smoke. he sounds like 50. and we've seen her. rappers that sound like some of the. modern uh uh. day rappers but you and that style. that's so unique. to the bay into e40. why can't someone float like that. so i it's people i've grew up on too as. well.

that you know um you can say that has. influences on. me too and right you would never know. though. um like like you but you got a kind of. krs one vibe. definitely i got charis one in me i got. two short emmy i got some brothers from. richmond california. named magic mike calvin t. from you tfo if you ever heard him just. kango from utf. yeah i made my voice like that you feel. me like. like it's a lot i got influences too but.

when you put me all together like i got. a lot of iced tea in me you won't even. know i got iced tea in me. right now you know i got the streets in. me and ice cheese straight street [ __ ]. you feel. right so anyway it's a whole bunch of. rappers man and um and. and it's me too with my character and my. my cadence come from. playing the drums right well if you if. you listen to my cadences this drum this. jaw print it's percussion. it's a percussion flow right so you know. what i'm saying. you as i mentioned when you first. started out they're like man that's. whack.

i mean nobody was really trying to. collab with you so. so what were you thinking then you're. like damn man i'm out here i'm out here. doing what i do i know my i know my. stuff good. i know it stink but i can't get no love. man if it bothered me it like. actually i tell you one day man when we. in 1988 we had our uh. me my brother my brother mac d shot my. cousin b legit my sister sugar t we was. called. mvp most valuable players we had a place. called the pros. um pros djs um we we played our music.

for them. it was like probably maybe 50 50 uh. people in the room maybe 100 i don't. know. and um i was like so we played it and. you know they was they no one gave us no. feedback. my man casper which i talked to last. week. he was like what do you guys think and. no one said no they didn't say nothing. about. like man you know you need to go back to. the drawing board i think you should. work on this a little. more it's like y'all not quite there or. whatever they just did us like that so i. left man my heart started racing i.

started having a panic attack like. you know like i started getting anxiety. i was my first time ever experiencing. anything like that. you gotta understand i had one foot on. the turf. and i had one foot in the vocal booth. right. so i was you know saying i wasn't going. either way yeah so i'm. i'm stressed out so i don't know i'm. worried about if. if if if one of these little scalers ask. [ __ ] to try to kick in my dough. and i'm gonna have to open them up. or if you know what i'm saying or if i'm. gonna fail as a. purposeful to be on my anus you know.

what i'm saying so i'm like you know i. gotta i was i was stressed. out i was caught between a rock and a. political heart place it wasn't the case. 22 it was the case 23. luckily i had my like i said my. grandparents my aunties now my mom and. them. everybody prayer warriors they wanted to. i'm the chosen one of the family. you know what i'm saying and they knew. they seen it they knew i was going to be. somebody they knew i wanted out the. streets. they knew that i wanted to be this this. influencer they knew i wanted to be a. motivator. you know you know saying i'm here to. inspire you know what i'm saying and.

they knew. they knew that my i was going to be so. anyway they that. that did what it did i i was holding a. grudge up until recently. when my uncle said charles like man you. know what don't don't. don't say the word hate uh when you hate. when you don't like somebody just say. you don't you don't you you know you you. don't you don't rock with them you know. i mean something like that you know what. i'm saying because you say. you know that can cut back on you. because there's a lot of people i can. really have. i can really not ever like in my life. you have problems have issues with. yeah because they did me wrong you know.

what i'm saying right but i'm a real. good person you know. and so at the time at the time did you. think. did you do you think they knew they were. doing you wrong or it was just that. what what do you think the thought. process now that i'm older because that. you know. with with with age comes wisdom and. maturity as i get older i get wiser so. i'm thinking on the outside looking in. they probably just didn't understand. how you know we was ahead of our time. right you know. but at that time my style didn't develop. that quick like that it was like kind of. normal it was that was my first little.

ghost so i'm like man it was right in. the pocket it wasn't like it was some. thought [ __ ] like i. like i'm thrown now i got my style. everywhere like air you know what i'm. saying so. i'm like your style was like a tesla. tesla been out for a minute but they. didn't get hot until like the last 5-10. years and now they're blowing up like. everything. like nitro just like tito's vodka took. it 20 years to really getting on. everywhere. and look at him now yeah billionaire. status you see you see what i'm saying. so wrong wasn't built in the day you. feel me right they caught up they. finally caught.

up now everybody rapping fast now. everybody know know what's happening now. now everybody know all my slang words is. just now surfacing that i said when some. of these rappers was kids before they. wasn't even born. i was saying the words that they credit. a lot of rappers for but i don't even. trip because. i'm older and wiser it's like i know. history repeats itself. right and i know how it going they got. it from somebody they got it from. somebody got it from somebody that got. it from me. you feel me yeah you you got it that's. your style yes then i came by folk there. came like four people after you but. that's you. in real life and so you know like i said.

i am so uh. i'm so much in a happy space man and a. good i'm here to be uh motivated man and. when people. want these justice to see how i get down. i'm not into no sucker stuff man i'm. just trying to be solid not silent. did you ever think about changing your. style because you weren't getting the. love you weren't. you weren't getting the play that you. thought you deserved so did you think. about changing your style your flow. no my mama told me she said whatever you. do boy you just keep rapping fast. cause she used to see me i didn't even. know what it was i rubbed my neck like.

back here and it was all this my. shoulders would be real tense so one day. my auntie said why are you so tense boy. she's like. and i'll say i don't know a little. stress i guess you start here that was. stress. i was stressed out at a young age right. you know what i said. so i i didn't know so i was like she my. mama used to always tell me she said boy. keep rapping doing your thing she was. always she always motivated me she used. to tell us whom. you know she raised three boys and one. girl on magazine street she like y'all. get out there and be men get out there. and be me and experience the world.

and that's what we did she gave us our. freedom to go that's why we're so ahead. of our time we'll be we'll be honest. with when we were 15 16 17 years old we. everywhere i'm talking about out of. state. we all over the place first place and my. mama's still working three jobs worked. at the united states hospital. you understand me was working mr jimmy's. around the corner on. foltest street i mean on laurel street. in the hillside worked at vale. neighborhood house and i used to watch. walls with it worked at maggie's. hamburgers on benicio roll. like you know what i'm saying she's. doing all these side jobs just to take.

care of us. you know my dad paid child support but. you know that was you know four kids you. know and we was into sports so. four hundred dollars wasn't enough. because he was. not racing i know because he had to pay. 14 i think a 14th total. for four kids which he did because he. worked for pg e. you know i love my pops you don't say it. but like i said that that wasn't enough. for us we was active we played football. baseball we played all we you know right. about the last you a week a week bro.

that's what i'm saying. you feel me i'm looking at your. your resume you've dropped 27 solo. albums. what is the thought pro when you go into. the i mean. do you need a beat and then write or do. you write. with a beat in mind what's the process. like for e40 writing or writing a song. um well first off it's more than 27. that's a that's old data cause they say. that they've been saying that for the. last four years.

what you're up to now we're gonna make. sure we get it right birdie it's okay. fam this this is you really not the. thing it's like i. i don't even know now i gotta count. because i i dropped something like in. december you know what i'm saying okay. i'm joined. because they haven't added you know to. beat me and be legit. album you know uh respect they didn't do. me in too short history mob music. function music like they ain't adding. you know um the one me and two shows. just did recently they ain't added all. the group. the group albums i've been with the. clique my my brothers and sisters. right i'm saying my brother and sister.

my brothers and sister anyway. make a long story short um but no um. i uh you have let's get back right where. you say you i'm. sitting up here trying to correct you. about how many albums what was the. actual. what was the question after that first i. asked you when you go in. are you do you need a beat and write to. the beat. or have you written a song with a beat. in mind. man a lot of times i do write songs with. a beating mind. um and then but uh what i do i take.

notes. okay so you know if i if i say. huh make up something like uh. you know um they say wrong what they. they say they say uh. life ain't promised tomorrow i say life. ain't prop life ain't promised today and. i'll say that in my little tab recorder. or also i write it in my notes on my. iphone life ain't life ain't promised. tomorrow or today. you know what i'm saying okay and you. know and that's something my uncle name. used to say you feel me that's high. that's how i say it right. i come just like that and then.

that's how i'm so thrown like i'm all. over the place so you know. that's how i write but i would love to i. love when a. a beat has a hook to it all right when. these producers sent it with the hook. whether they write the hook in my voice. like they write and say 40 you say this. part on the hook. because i'm gonna give them they put. their publishing they write a split all. that that's all cool. you know people don't write for me but. if you want to ride a hook for me. all day do it you can do you could do a. hook for me if you want to you know what. i'm saying.

so you have no ghost problems everything. that everything that that could that's. that that 40 spit. 40 wrote oh yeah man but you know we. also have. every rapper can you can hey if a. [ __ ] line if they ain't saying. they. and they got a house full of their. partners and they're saying 40. well we. saying it like this now this is the new. word they saying. and they just and they said you put that. in or they say what if you say it like. this just a couple of lines. everybody bought a couple of bars or so. what they what they folks around them. right i'm saying it's called vibing.

every rapper. [ __ ] what they talking about they know. it you know what i'm saying we all got. even though we write we do we write all. [ __ ] but i'm just saying everybody. participate like that you know. whether they go helping them helping. them come with a hook or something like. ideas flow you know saying family. members like all that [ __ ]. you know so that's how i actually go 40. you've had. you've been on a track with tupac too. short little john snoop dogg mack drake. big sean scarface ty dollar sign yo got. it. who brings out the best and when when.

you were on when you were on. a collab with one of those guys you know. they're gonna bring it. are you saying you know what oh i got. something for him. i got something today i'm gonna lay this. track down this thing gonna be a smoker. anybody i do a song with period is. friendly competition i'm going to try to. outgas you. no matter if it's your song or my song. i'm going to try to outgas you. you want to try to turn the man up on. his own song how are you going to come. to the how are you going to come to the. main house. and go try to and put your feet up on.

his own coffee table. and show out in front of him you know. why because it makes the song. bigger and greater because it's called. friendly competition so we're both going. out. it's gonna make the song super hard. right. super super hard like i got a song right. now that i'm dropping the video for. in a couple days and that song. is called i stand on that now we did. this song about. four months ago and we put it out but we. just did the video.

to it and i'm just now like damn man we. was all gassing on that thing. like it's tremendous gas it's like um. unheard of gas. and it's joining lucas myself and t.i. and we on there rapping like. joyner always rap like that me and tip. we we ain't we never rap like that well. i have a little bit but me and tip we. we we ain't rap like that in many years. you know what i'm saying. it's like new school but but it's we. never rap like that. but when you hear it it's gassy in every. word you can hear it. and just y'all look out for that video.

it's called i stand on it so like i say. man i can do any style. i'm i'm i'm all over the place with my. flows and uh. i just love creating things being. different when you different you become. an innovator. if you sound like everybody else you. know what i'm saying if you're. if you if you continuously just want to. be the center do what's. whatever's in you can do whatever. whatever it's in because it's good to. keep your eye on the ball so you won't. strike out. you know what i'm saying so you won't go. down you know looking. you know what i'm saying right keep your. eye on the ball and.

dial in because the reason i say that is. you got to turn with the times or the. times going to turn on you. but you got to do it in your way and. your and keep it in your jurisdiction. within your envelope. and and make it you because like i say. during it it was a it was a time. in in uh in the bay area it was called. the haify movement. right due to people like my man rick. rock. droopy and so on and so forth uh tracks. million and a whole bunch of other. producers.

um the beats was up to became up tempo. especially rick rock because i. mean rick rock had a temple and that's. i'm like man all you got to do. is just spit what's going on you don't. say in your way. spit it you ain't lying tell what's. going on put some game in there a few. boys. you know do your thing and just do it on. a temple beat. a lot of cats man i ain't with that man. it's just vibe music i'm [ __ ] i'm the. one who made my music i created that me. too. legit and at banks and studio tone and. mike mosey and sam bostic and.

rick rocking all us you know what i'm. saying right going down the line but i'm. just saying. like we we we just doing something we we. adjusting to the times it's different. times we got to be innovators. so up temple beats spitting that good. old sweet and straight. gasoline over them is where it's at. because cass was like. man i mean we're dead man i'm keeping. they were stubborn i'm like man. you ain't stubborn you just don't know. how to do it are you just right you. don't want to push your brain to do it. you you know i'm saying a lot of people. got stuck in the mud.

but not trying to adapt and i stayed. with the youngsters. in the new generation and still was me. and out gas and [ __ ] and still. to this day. i'm a half a century years old and i. still wrap circles around. the majority of the mother for your. favorite rappers trust that. who haven't you worked with that you. would like to work with. as far as maybe a collab maybe a. producer because i. i think it was somebody that i think it. was dr dre. i don't know if you've done anything.

with dr dre and you said you would like. to. like to do something with dr dre and you. would think that. hell he from cali i'm from cali we'd. have linked up at some point in time by. now. but it just hasn't happened i really. don't think dr dre. mean anything by it it's just i'm not i. don't stay in l.a. right i'm in the base so i think if i. was closer to him i've been this doctor. dr dre loved me being around him you. know what i mean that's how i feel. right because i'm a character i'm a good. person i'm scandalous and none of that. [ __ ] you know what i'm saying right i'm. just a creative person he creative i'm.

creative. but i figured man like i say as you get. older you get wiser and with age comes. wisdom. i'm like you know that day might come it. might come. have you picked the white what have you. picked up the phone and tried to reach. out. i mean you know we we tried before. you know we tried we tried to do a song. actually i did he sent me a song. to my man silk and me and men short and. guess what and we never. did go all the way through with it it. wasn't me or him we don't know what. happened but that beat never.

because you know dred sit on some beats. he has sent on some good songs they say. there's a lot of songs he got in the. vault. that he ain't put out yet you know. people been all you know saying. and so i was like okay so one of them. one of them. uh songs you know i was like oh i can't. waste these lyrics i'm gonna use this on. another song. right again you know but that ain't. white man. it ain't that ain't why it's just we. just haven't had a chance to connect but. he is. on mount westmore uh on one of he got on. the song. for mount westmore me snoop dogg too.

short and ice cube. he did do that because you know that's. new that's new and um and ice cube real. friend you know what i'm saying. i got i got respect and love for him you. know what i'm saying. but you know when we have you know met. and ran across each other it's nothing. but love and respect. you started this bay thing but one of. the biggest. bay area rappers is tupac um and a lot. of people have him on their mount. rushmore. and you have a very unique you can tell. stories about tupac that very few people.

can because you knew him on a different. level. you knew him back then before he blew up. and became. tupac death row tupac talk to us about. park. and how did he push you to become the. rapper you became. well i think we pushed each other. because he grew up on me but at the same. time he became he blossomed quicker than. me. right i and i grew up on it's uh it was. artists that started there before me as. well like. shout out to m.c hammer yeah hammer yeah. you know. but i've always been there like you know.

i'm since 88 like music on the show. since 88 that ain't too hard to. you know ain't too many you know i just. didn't blow up right then and there my. mine came a year and a half later i. started you know when i came with. you know the [ __ ] that the [ __ ] with. your brain and left side and mr. flamboyan and all that good stuff and it. just start taking off from there. you know what i mean right but um. i would say man so many so many um. stories let's see let's see i'll tell. you about a. phone conversation you know what i'm.

saying because i tell a lot of other. stuff when we. and you know together okay the phone. conversation um. you know he was just telling me um i. probably talked about this before he was. like hey 40. because we was going to hang up on the. phone we was talking and then we finally. hang up and he said oh [ __ ] i meant to. tell you man uh. you might want to uh invest in this you. know and this this this thing. i came with an ideal man i want to call. you know they got planet hollywood i. think. i think i want to do something called. you know what i'm saying gangster cafe. man well you know you have all the.

gangsters like you know al capone and. lucky luciano and. you know all these cats are on the walls. but it's a doc it's a it's a cafe. it's you they serving food they got you. know they playing move music from the. rolling 20s or whatever you know what. i'm saying or whatever. whatever that era was and you know what. i'm saying he was he had it laid out he. had that ideal. and that was interesting because he. wanted all the he wanted all his. partners to invest in it. and whatnot and he had the vision and. now if he did something like that he'll. have the money right here he'll raise. that money right you know what i'm.

saying he'll raise that money he'll put. yeah start up a fund and it'll be all. the fixtures to get in and like. this is owned by you know 40 and a whole. bunch of other cash you know what i'm. saying. so it's just the opportunities wasn't. there at the time but he had all the. visions and he was ahead of his time. and he did so much in so little time the. man was only 25. years old and let me tell you something. and he got that bae in him and he player. about the show the way he carried. himself. you know well all that you know what i'm. saying man the man with the man was a uh.

um a fashion like the way he he was. he was a real true thug with it but a gq. looking thug like the way he carried. himself the way he dressed. his whole heavy on the versace yeah you. know what i'm saying. you know that's that was the look that's. all of us were versace and. new field shirt and i had a few of them. too i had a few of those filled shirts. with that print that was our look that. was that was what was in at the time you. feel well. that was real bossy what what what made.

park special in the rap game what what. what was so unique about him because if. you think about. brenda had a baby and he's uh uh uh you. talked about. he talked about the song i forget about. his mom uh. dear mom i think that's what uh uh um. but anyway. he talked about i mean yeah he talked. about the violence and. the drugs and all that stuff but he. talked about real life. you know uh how brenda how she gave him. you know. got pregnant at 13 14 and the love for.

his mom. what made him so unique. he talked about the street he talked of. his vision. his uh his storytelling um. he uh you know being from um. you know black panther background his. mom and you know all that stuff he was. like a rebel. you know and uh one thing he touched on. was the octagon. you know the trap the cage you know what. i'm saying the soil the hood the the. you know what's in the the smudge you.

know. and that's that's that's that's what he. that's and that's what made him so. unique and his. he'll uplift male and female. spirits because you know it touched home. with the stuff he was saying. yes what i mean and that's what made him. so dope and he's. and he did did a lot of what they call. pain rap he was doing that way back then. that's why we we all felt it you know we. all felt it and. and that's what he specialized in that's. why his music lasted so long that's why. you got to consider him.

the greatest rapper of all time it's not. it ain't what just. what he just did in a vocal proof but. him being an actor. a poet like um you know i said doing. poetry uh. you know he did and just being a leader. like if you. you know right now. you know during this whole. pandemic you know. during the during the um. in the protester yeah you know he'll be. on the front line with the biggest mouth.

yes with a bullhorn with hella people. behind me. you know what i'm saying that man was. ahead of his time bro and. you know i hate when people don't give. people their roses when they're alive. you know yeah give people their roses. man. you know because you look back and just. be like man he would man how did he do. all that you know what i'm saying. right it's so much so little time and. look at how long his albums lasted. yeah you know look how long they lasted. after he after his past.

after he passed it was so much music out. there bro. yeah it's gonna be a part it's hard to. find a rap album that's harder than all. eyes on me. and then i was on that thing baby i was. on it. that was special and like you said he. was 25. if you look at he and biggie biggie what. big. had like basically a two two year two. and a half three year. career park even though he's with.

digital underground i'm telling him i. have a solo. i mean he didn't have a decade he didn't. have. 20 years like a lot of these rappers had. can you imagine. if he had a a decade or a 20-year run. he and biggie what the rap game would. have been. so time could god want him upstairs. early man. i figured he wanted the angels looking. over people like myself and a whole. bunch. of other cassettes you know what i'm. saying he called him in early man. you know and i can imagine he would i.

mean he'd be a billionaire. for sure he'd be a billionaire. because he was very intelligent and he. wanted to learn he wanted to learn from. white people and other people like he. want but he wanted to be he would. probably. you never know what he would it was. groundbreaking things his mind was so. deep and he. and he loved his people he loved he. loved. he loved what he what he is black you. know what i'm saying. but he knew you know he would have been. that rebellious slave.

that would have been learning how to. read behind you know behind closed doors. like hey now you say that. he didn't you he wouldn't care in his. back whipped and [ __ ] like that like. right he let his nuts hang over his. shoulder he was with it he he had heart. man. period you know so. man i can imagine him right now man a. billionaire. and salute to jay-z too man yeah i love. everything jg is doing man. i i really i really i respect him as. being a real man. and a you know a hu a great husband you.

know he loves his queen they like they. teamwork make the dream work you know. what i'm saying. and they rocking you know what i'm. saying i love they're great examples. of an afro-american how were you able to. stay. out of away from the west coast. east coast battle that inevitably. claim biggie claim tupac we see a lot of. because before before big in tupac's. rappers weren't getting killed. they were pillars of the community they.

would like they were to be protected. and now you see extension you see pop. smoke. you saw biggie tupac you see i'm like. they supposed to be they supposed to be. off-limits they. 40 you know when we were growing up. there were certain people that were off. limits they were untouchable in the. community. yeah um you know i stayed prayed up just. every because. i i prayed before i like if i got a. certain. phone call to make to somebody or sit.

down. i try to ask god to guide my thinking. process. and my tongue to say the right things. and hope that the. other person that i'm talking to are the. other people that i'm talking to. and uh take it the right way and we work. it out because communication is. everything. right you know what i'm saying so i. would always. i tripped because even though i'm from. the west coast you know they used to. call me the west coast biggie you know. so you have biggie over there. he he wore a kangaroo kango even though.

he was younger than me. you know what i'm saying i was wearing. kangos when i was you know. 14 15 16 years old right yeah i used to. get him from the nb mall and he's my. mall. you know what i'm saying and then. berkeley at. the berkeley hat shot you know what i'm. saying like. anyway to make a long story short we. kind of was similar you know but that. was the look. you know what i'm saying we had we were. the same kind of cool but the thing is. is that. i um i actually you know i was like. let me let me uh let me let me let me.

let me see. let me kick back and watch how. everything unfolds with with. the east coast day because i would go to. new i would go to new york. and get down below like you know i was. with jive records that was my. distribution i was with. right so i'm out there i'm out there in. new york and it's like. i'm just walking you know down the. street like going to get something to. eat or something i'm with. maybe some some representatives from. jive you know showing me your. new you know on our way to because. everything is walking distance and. everything when you're going into these. big buildings and all that. stuff like that so i'm like everybody.

just blowing the horn and [ __ ]. 40 40 man we we [ __ ] with you bro we. [ __ ] with you bro. like you wouldn't know that it's so much. it's really a lot of love out there that. we haven't collected i went to harlem i. caught me and my man dave house. we all went we went to uh we caught the. uh. uh not the bart what's that the subways. we call them yeah. we caught the 70s and went to harlem. from manhattan to harlem. man when i got off when i got out when i.

got off the subway and walking. down uh um you know what was that is. that 110 105th street what street is. that the main one in harlem. yeah what uh sylvia is that and all that. yeah i know exactly i know exactly what. you're talking about yeah so we're. walking down that thing man there's so. much. love this is during the during the time. when the [ __ ]. all the east coast [ __ ] and all that. it's so much love you know what i'm. saying like. they [ __ ] with certain people i know if. i was from the east coast. and and i seen e40 from the west coast.

and i watched his. his movement and watched how how. different he is and how he. carry himself and [ __ ] like that and i'm. not a [ __ ] starter you don't understand. i ain't into all that [ __ ] that [ __ ]. don't move me i'm not with that you know. what i'm saying. if i watched how he carried himself and. i met him i'd be like man i want to meet. that brother. like and i seen him i want to meet him. right. i would like me i would like e40 because. i'm a unique dude. you know what i'm saying and i'm dope. you know and i carry myself. you know in an intelligent way you know.

so it's like. i just had a number of love bro you know. so i don't know man i just got. let me see all areas of hip-hop i seen. it all. i'm talking all of it i've seen it all. only parts i missed was. maybe you know the south bronx days the. the days when you know of uh you know uh. melee male. um and them you know back when they were. shooting them videos back and remember. that grandma's. flashing fear but i watched it yeah but. we seen it that's coming.

yeah i love i love that era you know. what i'm saying the boom. daddy kane was one of my favorite. rappers and still is i don't you know. i would love to hear some music from him. today because he he i like to swag he. was real player hair cut him a scuba. scrap lover the way they used to dance. and [ __ ] like they were real. here big daddy came with real player. about his [ __ ] you know what i'm saying.

i. i used to watch all that you know kuji. rapping all them to say. what was that group called what's it. called the syndicate not to send the kid. the. uh it was all of them they they did a. video with the cowboy hats on and. everything it was oh my. god ace uh ace was in it. oh man that might have been uh. that was that was that was the go that. was the beginning that was the beginning. of the golden era. because you had that from like 86. and then you had that movement like you.

mentioned a krs one. you had uh uh eric being rock him uh uh. epmd y'all but you had i mean whew. come on easy look look what about east. coast m.c shannon and them bro. yeah let's see shannon a lot of people. don't i used to watch nc shydee. people don't know he was the first. rapper out of atlanta. ever i'm not a star and you know what. i'm saying he has slaps.

lou skywalker when i'm at grandma state. university we used to go we was hyphy we. used to go dumb in 86 87 to. uh throw that. i watched so much of hip-hop you know. back then we was just. tuned in to the tv watching video soul. watching all the outlets. and then when mtv started playing. hip-hop that that just took the cake we. loved it you know what i mean. and what how are you doing man to.

2021 when um. east coast you had the west coast you. had the east coast and all of a sudden. there was this southern rap that came. onto the scene. little john how did you and lil john. connect. to start making music well. i used to love the ghetto boys yeah and. all them cats out there. and you know three tune them um you know. 3-2 and big mike nem and all of them. killed the houston cast. uh yeah used to cat you know bun b you.

know what had all these. they're my folks man all right people. was my real. folks to this day you feel me so um. i hooked up with lil john um i remember. he had a song because i like them. gals yeah but his guy his guy was too. short. too short me being on a roll. a lot of shows i would do with too short. and spice one people. people like that you know saying and. little john to be on the road with too.

short. and i would always you know chop it up. with him and. just that in the third and i was like so. little john just start just winning. start just. having hell of a slap so i said man we. way past dude let's get in there. you know what i'm saying we did a song. called rep you'll see i was in a few of. his videos before that then i was gonna. then he did rep your city with me petey. pablo. i think uh yeah rapio city. that was a pretty big song in a minute. and that was there was during the time. when it was kind of like a drought. during the hit out here in the bay area.

i had mustard and mayonnaise. out and it was like 2002 i believe and. you know so. it was like but that's i was hitting big. in the midwest and the south with that. song. you're right and so that was the. beginning of our relationship for us. being good. you know knowing that we can make good. music together and uh. and our friendship became closer you. know and uh he stayed solid man and uh. so 2003 uh my distribution deal. was up with uh jive records and so.

i was like i asked god you know what. should i do. and he a voice came to me like carlo. john like carl little john. and i hit him on a two-way pager that. back then we had two eight pages. i realized i say call me man i'm out of. my deal let's talk. you know what i'm saying he was like you. out of your deal. he said i said yeah he said uh he said. man. let me call my people i'ma call you. right back he called me back within at. least an hour.

and all his people agreed you know all. the bme staff. you know what i'm saying um and so he. was like. he said they're ready to do it send me. you send me your lawyer contact. right and that's when i did a deal with. john with little john and be on me click. and my my career and you know my career. just. started all over again more it wasn't. over because i was still. i was still popping but the attention.

wasn't on the west coast. so all that time that attention wasn't. on the west coast. mainly the bay area the attention wasn't. on the bay area. right so i'm holding on like a hubcap in. the fast lane. right right and so you know like i say. if you just keep. playing your position stand solid. great things happen you know what i'm. saying right now. you know i'll go i'll go to the studio. and stink on this studio which is um. uh uh outcaster's new studio and you got.

a little scrappy and all. all a young generation uh bme click in. there working in different studios and. whatnot. and uh they all showing me love and we. kicking it we drinking the whole whoa. and it was time for me to work the next. day so i go in there. and i get out and i you know i put me in. scrappy and we did some songs together. and all of us we all worked together. and i just went full fledged ahead and. knocked it down because they they got me. like a. it wasn't the air bit it wasn't airbnb.

but they rented out. a apartment that i was living in for. three weeks. and i i took advantage of that three. weeks in atlanta. and i went crazy every day in the studio. our sessions would start at 12 at night. all the way to 12 in the afternoon. you feel me right and then we head over. to busy bees or. what you don't like baby bees and that's. mother chicken. i used to i used to get the turkey with. the turkey turkey oh you got the turkey.

wings. well the turkey wings hell yeah and i. lost mother chicken anything smothered. go good with me right i'm with it. right so [ __ ] that [ __ ] out man. we did it and then he took us to so. he'll say so one day we went to uh. beautifuls he said we're going to. beautifuls i say beautifuls. he said yeah watch i think it's called. beautiful and he was like. we went there and they had whiting fish. you know fishing. uh they had grits with uh cheese in it. and all that they had all the salmon. salmon cakes uh tuna yeah yeah.

exactly hey bro you know i told you man. that's the kind of stuff i. i rock with you know so we're knocking. he'll say man. today we're gonna do all up temples do. all triple songs i've said this before. but i just love john's uh you know he. was my tutor he taught me. he he's like you know what that's dope. right there. take that ad lib off that's why my get a. report card album. was so great because it wasn't overly. done like you know i'm so creative i'm.

all over the place. even he'll make me do so and now and me. being open minded. knowing this man got hella hits up under. me i'm open-minded so i'm listening to. him he like. you know what i can put a drop in that. song right there in that verse. and make it sound dope but i think you. can come better and i'm open-minded i. just come better i just come anew. and that's the problem i'm not big. headed i'm i'm you know i'm open-minded. if you listen. if you listen and learn you you know. saying. things work out the best bro we made. that [ __ ] album a classic might.

get a report card with nothing but i can. sing a whole. show i can do a whole 20-minute segment. show 25 minutes. i can do 25 minutes to 30 minutes on. just that album alone. that's how many slaps it had you know. from [ __ ] you know go hard or go home. to right you and that booty to tell me. when to go to. oh my bad hey hey you hitting at the. park with you hey phony. you hit that part with that one come on. jesus christ had dreams so shake up i. ain't got. no growing stuff i was just talking.

about i wasn't really gonna. grow none until i said this [ __ ] hella. funny let me just [ __ ] with it dear cuz. everybody in the bay area had dreadlocks. yeah not one person not one rapper. everybody. right you feel me so all i'm doing is. adapting to. my soil so what was so beautiful about. it is i had. hyphy movement over here i was part of i. participated in. and i also participated in the snap. movement well snap your fingers with. little john nell. you know right and so on and so forth so.

i was just. it was just a great space and i never. let up like i tell people anytime you. get you. you know you got some momentum do not. take your foot. off the gas man keep your foot on the. gas stop playing then that you in that. booty that's about yeah. i feel like that too yes i'm trying to. try to get you. you better give me your love or. something come on they don't even know. that's candy from. from the atlanta housewives on on the. hook. oh is it that's her that's her singing. and everything that's her that's her on. there with t-pain. so she came in and did her part in the.

middle she in the vicinity and. everything. candy that's that's the folks right. there oh man canterbury i didn't know. that. yep she got the platinum she got the. platinum thing on the wall and. everything. actually the show that's it one day. she'll show it to you on the on the show. say take me over to their platinum you. and that booty [ __ ] uh. ria approved album you know what i'm. saying platinum certified you know what. i'm saying. that thing was nice you mentioned that. you went to grambling. now i mean gremlin louisiana grandma is.

in louisiana. you're from the west coast did you did. you feel out of place because. they ain't they ain't they ain't here. they ain't no they went on game. you know like like 40 water being from. the bay. yeah i was looking at the old pictures. um. sent me the other day and i'm looking at. the california. picture it had like the california car. all the cats from california. and i'm looking at it and i'm like i see. i see walter bensworth the third junior.

i see be legit and i see myself and i'm. looking at. we all in the we are on one side and i. i said to my wife i say who do who. who the most swagged out [ __ ]. on here and she circled it. because i sent a picture to her text he. just and it was us. right it was me be legit and walter we. were so [ __ ]. you could tell we was from the bay you. feel me like you can just tell. you sweat i can show you that i can send. that picture to you you'll be like oh. the [ __ ] yeah you can tell. you can see the difference right we was. gained up it's something about us.

right but yeah i went to gremlin and uh. uh we met a lot of good friends to this. day uh we i i was just talking to my boy. reggie pugh you know what i'm saying out. of oh out of oakland you know what i'm. saying. he from oakland and uh and uh he was. solid all the way through and. he my friend to this day you know what. i'm saying he uh. we met all kind of people from the bay. area from epa marine city. all and we all clicked up we had our.

valet partners out there too i went out. there with three with two valet cast my. my man dei davis. and uh brad jones which would be legit. right we all. we all drove out there and and be legit. uh yellow mustang 5.0 hit 50. you feel me right you slid out there you. know so. it was we met a lot of good people and. we we kind of like we. like i say we already got that i had my. great grandma my. my granddaddy's mama stayed out there. and we stayed at her house for three.

days. and rest in louisiana yeah i know. exactly where yep. i had a couple of teammates that are in. the nfl that played it that uh was from. rustin. right that's only 20 minutes from. gremlin yeah you know and so we stayed. at her house for three days the reason. we and she she worked at this cafe. i think a lot of tickets and losing. rustin huh. you have a tech i think a lot of tickets. and rusty louis i think it is yep it is. yeah and so so granny my. so my great-great-grandmama she stayed. she she.

she uh would go to work every morning. and she said y'all just make sure y'all. clean behind yourself. she had she said here's the food she had. a freezer the kind in the ground. i mean on the ground like yeah. she had one of them and she had a. regular refrigerator she had hella good. ass food in there i think she just went. and bought it for us. right that's what it's called it's. called a deep freezer a deep freezer. and it was food it was for it was i it. was food i've never seen in my life. like it was chicken patties fried. already that you could just put in the. oven and.

water like it was you know you gotta. remember i'm a teenager i'm 18. yes i'm like we look at it and she her. house was spotless. and she lived by herself oh she was like. 77. back then you know i said she literally. be 94. you know what i'm saying. yeah but anyway uh we waited and the. reason we stayed at her house. for three days is because we had to wait. for our dorm rooms. we had to make the register getting our. classes all that. right you know what i'm saying we didn't. want to mess up so we we we want to get. there a couple days early.

so that's how we did it and so i it was. so many people. that we connected with out there and the. new orleans cast and louise. the new orleans and baton rouge cast we. have became. close a guy by the name of jubilee. very known out there in new orleans you. know man. alfred payton you know what i mean. alfred peyton. uh me and him got into it back in the. days and me and him solid like this now. i i got nothing but love and respect for. him he picked me up at the airport right.

before the pandemic. you know for the bayou classic and all. that stuff uh last year. you know what i'm saying right so it's. like we but we all became. close and then it's like there's so many. other. rap uh people from not rappers but. people from florida. detroit all these cats you meet all them. people. and you stay close with them for many. years so anyway make a long story short. a short story long. i didn't feel out of place but i did i. will tell you this. i used to have a perm before i went.

before i went to grambling. on my way up there i cut my perm in. arizona you know because my wife went to. beauty school too. that's right she used to do my perm but. i cut it on my way up there i was a. skinny dude. and you know it was on my shoulder i. used to call the lord jesus pearl. because he used to hang he used to. dangle right here. no boy dion was like man you know we're. gonna go to the south. you know we don't know if they're gonna. be thinking you know we know we west. coast we know we we play a player and. when we don't know how they're gonna be. thinking about you. you know with a perm you know and i was. like i thought about it i was like and i.

hadn't had my hair done in a couple days. a few days. so you know because what wifey would do. with this [ __ ] you know what i'm saying. so right. all that [ __ ] man i might want to cut my. [ __ ] man i go to arizona we stopped by a. motel. a broken down motel i said man let's get. some clippers man. let's go let me cut this [ __ ] i cut that. [ __ ] ball when i went to grammar. i go to the uh i get in line uh to get. my food when i'm up there. i had i had an earring in my ear i. didn't have to i had one. in the left ear because back then you.

could only have it in your left ear. right you know you could i mean it was. to each his own but that was that was a. proper thing to do with putting your. left ear. right you know what i'm saying so even. with me having it in my left ear. i'm in love look that's the sideways the. lady did the older lady. in the in the line for the lunch and to. serve you the food. she was she was whispering to the other. lady and be legit and all of them heard. the things. she was like look at that boy look at. that look at that boy here look at that. i'm like wow.

the whole the old ladies the old the old. heads. they did not like seeing guys with. earrings be it one left ear right here. or either here they they no. sir they didn't like it bro they didn't. like it i still kept my [ __ ]. earring in my left ear. i was like [ __ ] you i have too much. respect i wouldn't go say that to her. but in my mind i'm like. [ __ ] you you don't see it i just. i just i just ignored it you know just. kept it right you know.

what i try to tell people about black. college because i went to an hbcu i went. to savannah state university. yeah there's nothing like homecoming. because it's like a gigantic family. reunion. you got people you got classes coming. back to class of 68 the class of 78. the class of 1982 they coming back. and hey we family the step shows. the the walking across the yard being. in my mind i was in my mind i was a. q-dog in my mind.

i used to hang with them dudes they was. cool. hey and you know on the yard you got the. you got the greek and the sorrow parts. they got them sitting in there they're. doing their step thing they're. practicing getting ready for the step. show. that weekend for it i tell people. ain't nothing like that experience i. wouldn't trade that experience for. anything. me either i wouldn't trade i'm so glad i. went because i wasn't planning on going. to college be legit said he finna go and. i was like. i'm finna go to there you ain't gonna. leave me out here make a video.

know what i'm saying i'm going to you. know what i'm saying. i went it was the best thing ever i. could ever do bro. it taught you to teach you how to be a. man too you know yeah you're watching. your own stuff you got to go you know. yeah. yeah you know i'm saying you you know. the watch house is further down on the. campus way down there you gotta. get your bag and what you know what i'm. saying like the whole whoa. we was doing it i had master pion. yesterday and he talked about you. and he made special reference to your.

uncle saint charles. yeah he talked about how you and him. especially your uncle saint charles. hooked him on to the game to the. distribution deal. talk to talk to us about that time. in your life and in p's life about what. your uncle did for you. for you for him and how that was the. start of. he said that's the start of my business. right there when i started thinking like. okay. i can do this he afforded doing it i. could do it. true and you know and uh my uncle.

it's a trip because he talked he wasn't. just he was about a guy i always looked. up to as a kid it used to be a show. called creature feature and uh. he my gran my my uh my uncle knows how. to. um paint draw everything like. when i go to my grandma's house him and. my uncle bruce. which is his brother um rp bruce. he would um they would have drawings on. their wall so i used to draw my own wall.

at home. right at night draws like cartoons. everything. right because i can draw my daddy can. draw hella good like daddy painting all. this i got that good i got it from both. sides of the family. this then the third so i was i knew that. um. my uncle was special because he would do. sculptures. he did sculptures like clay sculptures. of like. you know uh whether it's a. a female a male or whatever monsters. like he. one of them how dudes that could be in. hollywood making that making a mess for.

movies and stuff right right right right. costume design. yeah exactly and so he he they was like. uncle chucky uncle chucky gonna be on us. creature feature it was a big deal on tv. we stayed up late mom's got to stay up. late because he used to come on like. 11 30 at night you know we supposed to. be in bed at 9am as little kids you know. i mean 9 p.m or 8. 8 o'clock when you're in third grade in. fourth grade you know what i mean. right right you know what i'm saying so. she might have to stay up that night to. see uncle chucky we could st.

charles you know what i'm saying and we. was like wow he on creature. feature creature feature played all the. old movies and stuff. right anyway make a long story short we. knew he was something special he had a. record he had a couple of records in the. 70s. and he did it on his own independent you. know. it didn't blow blow blow but his. experience. rubbed off on us he taught us he taught. us so when we came in the game. i used to always tell him as a little. kid uncle chucky uncle chucky. i want to make a song we want to make.

songs me and d shot we would always say. we want to make records. like a little kid just he always do this. with him with them you know. with the money so one day we. you know it was that day came and he. really. you know that was the mvp record he did. the artwork on it. you know just before final cut uh just. because just because before. uh what you call that [ __ ] photoshop. yeah photoshop and all that he just knew. i. knew what to do you know what i'm saying. we went we got our.

records pressed up over at rainbow. records you know this was vinyl. this is 88 when we came out with that. record and we would always put our. record up a year before so. if we did a a album that can't that we. done with. and it's out it comes out say for us. right now it's 20 21. it's march of 2021 we will put 2022 on. there bro. because the reason why this was our. method because we wanted whoever catch. it eight months later because we knew it. was gonna get. eight to nine ten months later we knew. it was gonna take forever.

to get to you would say atlanta nebraska. right or you know say i mean uh texas. arkana or. you know oklahoma or wherever he's going. to we knew everything was snail mail. back then. right what i'm saying we were sitting. there through ups. you know ground that's right you know. what i'm saying. seven day yeah yeah exactly so by the. time everybody started. getting hit to it it was gonna take that. long we was prepared for it so we were. smart like that. but my uncle i tell you so pete you know.

people was doing his thing. too but he was learning as he going he's. seen us getting down he's having a lot. of success. and you know and pete was working hard. like he. he everybody rock witty but a lot of. people didn't because there was so many. great rappers in the bay area. right you know what i'm saying and p was. really spitting games. p really from the streets not just new. orleans streets. richmond streets bay area streets you. know what i'm saying yeah and he wasn't. no suck out here you know what i'm. saying. nobody tried to play him or nothing like. that he was he was just a solid dude.

and he had that motivation god gifted. him with that and he. and he he went to saint charles and. saint charles said here this is what you. do. he listened man that man put his own. brain together with how he wanted to. work out his plan get in the new world. getting uh the deep st. south the sticks to participate with him. as well he got all the west coast cast. together. did west coast bad boy he did his thing. bro you know what i said and i salute. him for that and my uncle said charles i. really salute him. because me and d shot we was talking the. other day my brother we just talked.

about the other day like man that dude. really taught us a lot like. how to become me and like get bank get. bank accounts and stuff like that like. you know what i mean like. like really you know fictitious names. and. dbas and get business licenses and like. taught us a lot you know what i'm saying. he taught us how to be entrepreneurs and. i'm glad that i cherish him to this day. i give him his roses. he'll pick up the phone anytime and uh. that's my mama brother. you uh he said that the one thing that. you talk that.

that saint charles taught him is about. distributor is banking on yourself he. always say debate they push. independence and the things he said that. he thought and you can correct me if i'm. wrong. he says he believe independence teaches. you hunger. he says because it's only gonna go as. far as you take it. he said sometimes guys team want to do. these 360 then you know you get the big. money up front and. all that but you get lazy because you. got them doing the work. but when the thing is like when you you.

know. you're going to eat but they're gonna. eat every time you eat as opposed to the. independence. you eating the lion's share they're. gonna eat what you leave. not eat before you do. you know it bro and he tell the truth. because. you know it's people no disrespect to. nobody but this people have been on. major labels for many years. and they kind of you know what i'm. saying i'm gonna say got a babysitter. but they don't know no other way when it. comes to like once the. deal is over or whatever they don't know.

the other way because they've never been. independent. they never knew how we had to do it you. know we we coming again we was in it by. force not by choice right it was good. that force was good we didn't have we. had to go get it on our own. and be coming in and being independent. it was beautiful it was a blessing in. disguise. you feel what i'm saying right so do you. know that made us be better. hustlers um better men. and appreciate it more like right now. i'm gonna be honest with you and i'm not. trying to. you know uh plug anything but i'm just.

telling you the truth what i'm doing. right now is just. set okay the streets when i rap right. when i rap when i came into the rapping. i'll say. it's the same hustle just different. product. right this liquor right here same hustle. different product i sell adult beverages. bro and i'm doing it independently. i'm doing it the long way but it's the. right way. so at the end of the day i'mma get the. last laugh god willing first of all. the thing is i'm doing it independently. so each state requires.

different credentials and different. things you got to do to get your license. some states are controlled some states. are you know saying. um you know some states are easier to. get right what i'm saying. so it's like this is what i'm doing so. god willing. so within the next 12 months i'm most. likely be in about. 37 states being the vendor of record. my own boss no nothing. you feel what i'm saying nobody the.

answer to i. sign the checks i call the shots. everything. it's the long way but it's the right way. and that's what. pete did independently that's what we. did independently stick with the records. no limit swab house so on and so forth. wrap a lot so many uh luke skywalker. them you know what i said the whole [ __ ]. like we can go on and on forever you. know. you've been able to have a hit in every. decade rapper's ball tell me where to go.

sprinkle me captain saber hole choices. how do you enjoy the longevity that. you've enjoyed. man i love it bro i thank god for. everything you know you know. like i say i uh i figure um. you know you just keep the faith be a. good person. keep your eye on the ball i love rapping. even if you know i'm a. old man to some i'm an old man now but. i'm i don't know.

you know what i'm saying i'm my spirit. like you wouldn't if i didn't tell you. my age you probably wouldn't know you. probably know i'm. probably about i'm probably a good 42. and. and you know probably 40 you know and. and. if you looked at it and i didn't tell. you they won't they would you you never. know i'm really. my spirit in my my charisma and my the. way i carry myself. ain't no 50 no regular 53 year old cat. bro. right you know what i said that's all. i'm saying like and i'm not trying to be. young i'm just this is me. i promised myself when i was young that.

when i get older. i'm not gonna be dressed hella ancient. and all that old [ __ ] man i'm like. it's the new this. you ain't gonna you ain't gonna rock the. station with the real socks i'm not they. gotta be clean they got they gotta. the jeans gotta be a little uh you know. slimmer at the bottom they can't be all. flared out can't wear no big britches. domain in right now you got to look you. can look fly i see some [ __ ]. that was fly the other day snoop posted. them some og's. they had the gray beards but the [ __ ]. their outfit was clean they had to they. jeans was at the bottom the jeans wasn't.

all flared out they was you know they. fit it they had they had some dress. shoes on them it was fly as [ __ ]. you know what i'm saying and that's how. you got to be if you're going to do it. right. you got some of the bay area words. i mean you feel me you smell me for. shivering for show. gas how do you come up with these words. and then when you come up with them you. like because people people still use. them.

people talk like that so at the time. that you're coming up with those words. do you think they're gonna have the. longevity that they're gonna have. oh i don't know you know i just. man just me you know one thing about. being from the bay area. um it's a beautiful thing because you're. surrounded by gang. look how just put that together being. from the best a beautiful thing because. you're surrounded by gang. you feel me yeah and uh and that's you. know and you. guys so much you have so many people.

i i like to rock with the older the ogs. the older guys. right because they didn't they didn't. been through it and seen it. you know what i'm saying they did it. they've been around it and they can wake. your game up. way more like the og like the young. generation a lot of them don't mind. listening to me when i talk to them. right there they'll be like you know. good thanks uh i appreciate that that. made my day right there thank you. you know the ones who want to be silent. and listen to it they listen.

so being in the bay i learned you know. and me being creative coming with stuff. you know just coming with slang and all. that all since i was a little youngster. you know what i'm saying i used to read. the dictionary and i come with long. words and all that stuff. a lot of these words and stuff i say you. know what i'm saying. a lot of that [ __ ] man is really just. from um. observing and and observing the older. older guys and then putting my putting.

your flavor into it. my way of cooking but you add your. flavor right like. but a lot of words come from my brain. right off top i'm i'm liable to. before we finish i might come with a. fresh one out of nayware. like i don't see that yeah. not nowhere but nowhere how did they. wear. he just came out of neyward with that. you feel me. right i mean cause you the first one i. heard when they start when. and people say oh but that thing slapped. you the first one i've ever heard use. that word.

when you talk about something is good. first rapper ever scream a slap. ever in life whenever you say oh that's. slap or they're slapping. first rapper ever ever said that that's. you rapper. yes sir yes sir um. and there's so many other ones you know. and i trip on you know i see. i see some yeah some cats are you know. uh. the word broccoli the other day bro. they're calling we broccoli and it was. like they was giving they was credited. other rappers i'm like that's okay they.

don't know. you know what i'm saying that's okay. because the kids i'll be like i just i. just know that some people wasn't even. born when i was when i. even when i had to i had a song out. called broccoli in like 1999 98. it was actually called broccoli smoking. that broccoli now it takes. me out right that's how the hook went we. used a cameo slap i had otis and suge. singing on that thing. and the song is called broccoli and it. was on my double album which is. almost platinum right now way past gold. and it was called the album was called.

element of surprise. first rapper talking about apply. pressure surprise the element. applied pressure tycoon. 1995 the intro to a platinum album. in a major way what's happening folks it. ain't nothing but me. your tycoon talking pop the player. partner e4 i said tycoon talking partner. rewind it when y'all get a chance 1995. i was screaming that [ __ ] as a rapper no. other rapper was screaming. and before that i said it and my brother.

in them said and everybody that was with. us. screamed it on their ass so it's like i. didn't make up the word tycoon it's in. the dictionary but i'm talking about. [ __ ] that. rappers don't say that became very. popular and i. i was the first one screaming it and we. can go on and on forever. you know what i'm saying choppers call. them calling pistols choppers. right what's going on first one talking. about choppers first rapper ever talking. about tropical choppers. triple bean scales everything related to. the soil. trust me yola units calling calling keys. units you feel me yeah.

man i ain't putting extras on it this. ain't no cap this ain't this ain't uh. this ain't this ain't this ain't no. where there's no cap bro. this ain't missing this no cap bro for. real. you know what i'm saying let's talk. about let's talk about something i know. you really really love. and you've been you're walking with this. team. when it wasn't popular your golden state. warriors. i see you sitting courtside a lot um. what did it feel like when you guys.

finally won the championship in 2015. because i know that was a long time. coming because there were some lean. years in the. uh 40. when i was watching matt barnes. and. and uh stephen and uh you know and uh. and uh and uh who else was it uh matt. brown steve. baron davis baron bd when i was watching. i was like oh man we might get one we. might get one we might do. they out there playing a street ball on. them because these these to me them. dudes are street cats in the nba.

i love them dudes you know what i'm. saying i'm like yeah they we finna get. one. so i you know even before that i you. know i love the warriors of course. but i'm like we getting closer and you. know i just used to hate when. the powers that be um. um of over the warriors would always. once we get a good player that trade on. or something i get. right yeah go somewhere else i was like. oh man damn. so now that we got our new powers that. be in there i love them. they doing what they can do and they we. we've been to that thing for the the.

last. five years when they went with some of. the best. times of so many people lives from the. bay area. you know just being there whether you're. in the nosebleeds. whether you in between whether you. courtside it was just so. just great i mean five times in a row. bro and they want three out of them. things. you feel me and maybe coarse side me. being. ain't nothing like courtside experience. you know you you rubbing shoulders with.

the rubber shoulders with the big. wheelies. in order to get in that's another thing. you networking i didn't mess so many. uh people there uh that that i've had. opportunities to break bread with just. from being there being a good person not. being fake just being a good person. being a people's person hobnobbing. shaking hands kissing babies. hugging folks networking you know what. i'm saying. stuff like that and just being a good. dude will get you a long ways. and that's what i did and and ain't no. experience like courtside when you can.

be city. i sit right by the bench it's time i. said several times i said. right like i'm part of the bench like. i'm on the team. in my mind i'm an nba player too okay. you're a warriors fan you're a war. fanatic and you know all the players. give me your mouth rush more players. will rick barrett steph bd klay thompson. kd. chris muller nate thurman draymond green. give me your mount rushmore your four. best players in warriors history. okay uh i would have to say.

uh rick berry okay i would have to say. uh um steph of course. yep i got to say clay okay. i would definitely have that's a trip uh. and then because they. oh i would have to say i would have to i. also have to say. will chandler for sure [ __ ]. off the fence they do that that's. impossible to do. uh i would have to say how many i said.

that's it you only get four. how many would i say it with all i said. you got will you got cl uh steph. you got clay and you got rick barry. that's not bad that's not bad that's not. bad it's plenty more. but that's not bad at all i remember. they had robert parish and i was mad. when they traded him and he became a. hall of famer he went over to uh. boston green team yeah exactly. but i was like man he became a hall of. famer man.

yeah robert parish i just hate when they. used to trade. all the good players like that so quick. you know but that but now. they got new ownership and everything. and everything is much better. we just bring you a lot of injuries. that's all that's been messing us up. when you sit courtside are you doing a. drink are you trash talking are you just. sitting watching the game cuz you know. drake be on the drake be on courtside. drake be talking trash we talking crazy. we getting involved. i only talk big bronco when it's like a. drake or travis scott or somebody like. that.

that's there and they and their team is. playing us that's when i talk big [ __ ]. to them. yeah yeah what's happening yeah you know. i'm you know i i'm. oh man one thing i'm a master at um. getting in that head you know what i'm. saying picking. you know right honestly but you don't. talk to the players you don't talk to. the opposing team players no no. no no i'll leave them because i like. i would say a couple things to them but. not like i like i shake their hand at. the end like. ronnie lebron i love lebron right yeah i.

kind of. because he [ __ ] hit a killer on the. court he just you know he's so dope. you're like you wouldn't really. wait as if not you know what i'm saying. so it's like. i i i i kind of like. right you know you're gonna miss that. he'd be on the fr you know shooting and. stuff like that but. i love dude man and when he when when. people like that come off the court. shake the hand you know. and [ __ ] like that like i was talking uh. it was one of them gangs who was the. what's the boy uh. what's the boy to play with uh play with. uh.

uh durant now um. yeah i say man i seen him after one of. them basketball games man. and we was in like the hallway at uh. when we played. when we played uh i think we played. cleveland. and i think i was in cleveland or. something or either or it was somewhere. we was at we. it was it was the final stuff yeah yeah. he got they got us. it was a game that he they played that. they i said man i ain't gonna like he. was just sitting there just chilling. and i'm like i said man i don't even. like man you dope as [ __ ] bro.

you you dope as [ __ ] bro. you know what i'm saying like you just. got to give it up to certain people. because you know. ain't no need to be mad at other teams. and other players right. when you got to realize that all these. all these dudes kick it together they. vacation together and everything they're. friends when i play baseball. and football we would be enemies on the. court or on the i mean when we'll be. we'll be enemies on the on the out. and the baseball in the baseball diamond. right on the football field.

but when we get off of that thing we. finna go eat some pizza or something. together. right he drew up two separate teams you. know the opposite team. you know sanders all these cats they all. cool with each other and everything no. matter what. how aggressive they look on the court. like they don't like each other. everybody be vacationing and everything. together man they all in contact. raiders of 49ers i would say 49ers. although i. never said anything ever bad about the. raiders i'm from. vallejo i'm not from oakland i'm not.

from san francisco. you know what i'm saying i'm 30 minutes. from oakland and like 50 minutes from. frisco but i am. northern california bay area you know. you got to be neutral so you got to be. neutral you. you i tried to and did my all my cousins. and everybody i tried to. like the raiders and the 49ers because i. grew up on. dave casper jim plunkett i grew up on. jerry rice in uh. oh montana steve joe montana steve young. and them. merton hanks and them i have neighbors. that stayed in my neighborhood i had.

ch r.i.p chester mcglock i had daryl. rustler daryl russell stay in my. neighborhood like. literally walking distance around the. corner they all stayed in my. neighborhood i had. then uh dan stubblefield stayed four. houses down from me i had merton hank. stayed right there's these 49ers and. ricky waters. i had all them so i would go sometime i. would they would invite me to the game. so i'll go to a raider game and i would. go but i would have. my part my my main team's 49ers so i. have 49er gear on. you know what i'm saying that people. wasn't really tripping you know what i'm.

saying. so it's like i don't have nothing. against the raiders and no one. ever on the internet can ever say that i. said. [ __ ] the raiders this then the third no. matter how bad they say about me they. want me to be a raider fan. but i had to pick a side a long time ago. because my cousin and all the raider. fans rick rock and all them cassidy's. like. you gotta pick a side and i was like i. want to roll with the whole bay area. package they was like this is 20 years. ago. they said you got to pick a sign i say. man all right [ __ ] y'all. i'm going 49ers for life.

hey i want to get you out of your. different party let me ask you a. question. i need your mouth rush more rappers. all over all and you might rush more. cali rappers i like that. so i won't i want the great the four. greatest rappers. east coast west coast south i don't care. i need four. okay all right all right. all right wow wow wow yeah all right you.

want me to go with the four. greatest the four greatest i will i want. 40s four. greatest rappers i switch it up every. damn somebody every time somebody asks. me is that okay cause this just happens. like that. we do do what you do okay. ah okay okay. tupac of course and i can't say me right. no me no me you can say you if you want. to. okay okay see cuz i'm in a whole nother. category i'm not a lyricist i'm a gang.

spitter right kill me. all right but although i can bust. although i could be a lyricist because i. got bars. right i got i i got i got i ain't even. took the bar exam i got i still got bars. though. but anyway i would say uh um. tupac of course okay that's. one got three more spots i i gotta say. ice cube man. i just have to because you know. man people you know no matter how much.

he rap nowadays or whatever. he did enough in a few years that he got. down. that you got to remember he's the right. for nwd. nwa so just imagine all that [ __ ] all. that gas he had. you feel me yeah and so it's like i'll. have to say ice cube. uh and i'm gonna leave me out of this. cause i just want to be fair. even though i know i feel like i'm the. greatest of all of them. right you know what i'm saying but i'm. gonna leave it out because i want it to. be a you know a good thing so.

um and this ain't i'm not taking a favor. to them and i'm just talking about the. people let me see i will say i. i would say i would say um tupac. ice cube i would say. um and i'm not saying this just because. everybody else say it because i'm a real. [ __ ]. the reason i'ma say [ __ ] is because. if he if if he did a versus right now. everybody be like man.

okay i forgot that [ __ ] had that. song right there. you know what i'm saying yeah damn damn. i didn't know he had i forgot. because people get amnesia they don't. know first of all it ain't even just. lyrics and it ain't it ain't you know. platinum and gold albums it ain't that. it's what you doing. outside of the vocal booth as well right. just skipping over real quick that's why. i consider. muhammad ali the greatest boxer of all.

times. because of what he did outside his his. contributions to our culture and. everything like that there you feel what. i'm saying. right so anyway um with [ __ ]. it's just the innovation the things the. inspiration. the things that he's doing for he took. hip-hop to another page you got to put. him in there. right you got to you know you got dupont. you got ice cube you got jay yeah. got one more i got one more.

i got one more to be the greatest of all. time. yep man that's a hard one. that's a super hard one man that is. super hard there's so many i want to say. but i look like somebody gotta get left. look here you didn't bring all your. friends with you. you had to leave some of them so you got. to leave somebody off baldi.

i want you know four. yeah why am i you know it'd be tripping. me out because they say. mount rushmore should be five people. doesn't seem like it should be fine. tonight they're not adding another head. you're not going to south dakota and. getting another head on that mountain. you're not doing it they're not doing it. oh man oh. you know.

i can't and i won't i don't want a basis. on. who i grew up on but i grew up on a lot. of people that i love. feel like they're definitely top 10. you. know what i'm saying right. but i gotta keep it one thou wow. i gotta say could i base this on. what you did in your early days and what. you doing. now far as other [ __ ] too you. you can base it on whatever you want. this is forty's list this is not my list. this is not anybody else. and if you want to debate go go debate.

your cousin in the barber shop but this. fault is list. i got a tie okay who you got. i'll say snoop dogg and biggie okay. i i i i'm leaning towards snoop because. of now don't get it [ __ ] up if biggie. was still living. i really think that if biggie had more. albums because he was dope as. [ __ ] and you knew the potential.

you know what i'm saying if he was still. living to have more albums i could. i can base it up more almost snoop got. longevity snoop is a. walking icon snoop is into he got his. hands. all over he all over the place like. space you know what i'm saying he's. still. here uh you know what i mean it's i i. gotta i have to say snoop on that but. don't get it [ __ ] up biggie top team. for sure. you know what i'm saying right i love. knives as well you know what i'm saying. but that's. now we get into the top tens and [ __ ]. like you know what i'm saying you said. four. so i would have to say i would have to.

say besides me you know what i'm saying. i'm not i'm not in it i take myself out. of this. right i would have to say um. uh top you got pop. you got cube you got hole. and you got snoop yep. all right give me cali wrappers i need. four cali rappers. e42 short ice cube and snoop. that's it that's it that's mount. westmore that's mount rushmore.

of the west coast period sorry. well a couple more things uh 40. i've. i've asked if they were alive. versus battle prince michael jackson. versus battle. michael jackson. uh mariah carey if fans are blessed. y'all know that it's michael bro. i don't know man priya started playing. that guitar he get on that piano.

might start dancing and hitting that he. he yeah. might come out there and get to playing. that billie jean and all that [ __ ] boy. he ca and some of the some of the. jackson slaps. you know what i'm saying jackson five. jacksonvine. mariah carey whitney houston. woo that's a tough one i'm gonna say the.

most effective to me. the greatest love of uh. man whitney houston music make you cry. bro. yeah seriously and then you get to. thinking about all the stuff she went. through. and how she's not here no more whitney. houston bro. i'll just keep it at one thousand okay. versus battle hold drake. oh that's a real touch oh yeah now come. on with it. come on with it now cause you know drake.

did. in so little time with most do in a. lifetime. yeah yeah i put that together i didn't. even try that see how they did that. oh my god that's a tie. all right you can't have no verses about. it you can't have no time no verses. about to phone it. yes you can me and two shirt was a tie. right. the baby won that hey you were too short. was collabing. how you gonna be joining in on his song.

see this is the thing with jake with. [ __ ] it's tricky that's what i'm. saying because really. i remember i was on the soundtrack with. him it was called sprung sprung. soundtrack jay brown um got me on that. soundtrack and [ __ ] was on there as. well with me. it was 1996. and i remember um you know i remember. watching that's what uh tommy davidson. and jamie foxx right. i believe so yep yep that that. soundtrack i believe that was good. i got a gold record in my hallway along. with booty call and a whole bunch of. other. [Laughter].

days you know what i'm saying um but. i just knew [ __ ] i gotta say i. realized that the man put in a lot of. see what it is is that dude they start. accepting. good [ __ ] on the radio when he came in. right. and i and i ain't trying to shine the. light back on me but a lot of my ghetto. anthems. that people love they wouldn't play it. on the radio back then they're beating. up. yeah they're trying to categorize my. [ __ ] as a local. not global you know what i'm saying.

that's how they did me it was like it. was a [ __ ] up. i gotta like i say i'm older and wiser i. can hold a grudge against a whole bunch. of [ __ ] how they used to do us. in radio and uh. the bay area used to get done but anyway. right let's get back to [ __ ] [ __ ]. really got a body of music man a long. list of mute his his his catalog is. longer than train smoke man people don't. realize that. right and and it was big records that. you know even his soil [ __ ] was. being a was able to be played on the. radio and when you got all that and then.

you got. you know that machine behind you as well. and he don't get it [ __ ] up he started. off you know independent i think he was. with priority records on his first one. reasonable route and. the whole woo-wop you know when he. started off back with jazz jazzo. i remember that he used to be in the. videos because i remember when he came. back and resurfaced. and then like like 89 90s jazz or. somewhere around there i see him there. i'm like man this dude look hella. familiar so he started 93 i think he. came with. what his one song and all they was like. man all my guys are like man dude got a.

little bit of game about himself like he. kind of woke and [ __ ]. you know what i'm saying you know you. know we bait [ __ ] so we we we we. we look at who kind of laced up who. gamed up you feel me. right okay you know what i'm saying we. felt the same way about biggie too you. know what i'm saying. like these [ __ ] is different than. these gamed up you know and so anyway. make a long story short in the short. story long. i just think that drake um and so little. time he did a lifetime of work. and that's gonna be heavy man but i. really think that. [ __ ] will win because drake but drake.

is a trip because drake got slaps that. was for the broads. but the dudes would love it too and he. got that hip-hop [ __ ] too like drake and. rap. i [ __ ] with drake heavy that'd be a good. versus i would love to see. that versus everybody would that'll. break the [ __ ] internet. look him or nicki minaj. uh damn.

i just wish i loved little kim you know. every time we ever i haven't met her. she was always sweet always cool i i. loved her music. especially in the earlier days i just. haven't heard any new stuff. lately you know i i kind of look at. you know sometimes um i've i've been. around youngsters. and some of the youngsters they say uh. you know. you keep it going man but you know a lot. of the oh geez they be trying to get at. me and be like. man y'all understand how we used to do. it back then and they was like man.

the answers are telling me i tell them. man it ain't about what you used to do. it's what you're doing now. and uh you keeping it going you feel me. so it's about. what you're doing now too as well i'm. not saying little kim ain't doing that. but. mickey nicki minaj is more on the gas. like she's. continuously putting out music and con. content like that you know. and i and i respect them both and uh but. i think on that one right now. like in 2021 i think nikki would win. last producers of producers.

dr dre quincy jones. oh man why you gotta do that. that's crazy. that's crazy oh my god that's a heavy. one. you defense accident you really differ. that one right there brody i would have. to say. um because you know quincy go back with.

ray charles and frank sinatra. i love dre only reason i would say. quincy. but trey did a lot too but you know. quizzy got that michael jackson. there's too many different categories. like dre is more. urban hip-hop but quincy is urban. hip-hop too urban. because quincy people don't know he did. sanford and sun. yeah i could do sanford. [Music]. and many more when i listen to that.

i'm like who thinks of something like. that who thinks to play. who thinks to make a song with all of. them i don't even know what kind of. what he used to make that [ __ ] like how. do you do that bro. you know so i'm like i would say i would. say. i would say love you dre. but quincy yeah because of what he's. done if you look at his body of work. it's twice but nobody can touch quizzes. no but nobody nobody can touch quincy.

because. like you said quincy goes back 50 years. and he goes from sinatra to ray charles. to you know he did barry white he did. michael jackson. he did so many but if it came to hip-hop. yeah ain't nobody everybody got me i. mean. what maybe uh jimmy jam and terry lewis. accomplish when they come to hip-hop. can't nobody [ __ ] with dr dre. oh yeah yeah yeah yeah no no no no not. with the snoop in the tupac. his own album uh kanye eminem not now.

with his body at work not with his long. list of train. smoke his [ __ ] go longer than train. smoke talk to me baby boy. i appreciate this bro we gonna have a. this thing will be out it's gonna be hot. i appreciate the time. and like i said bro i know you 25 years. so you've always give giving me love so. i appreciate the support. continued success in the tycoons. hurricane. going with the spoons the noodles bro i. appreciate everything. let's go baby i love you baby appreciate. it all my life.

been grinding all my life sacrifice. hustle pay the price. wanna slice got to roll the dice that's. why all my life i've been grinding all. my life. all my life been running all my life. sacrifice. plus i'll pay the price. [Music]. you know what to do hit the subscribe. button to become an official member of. club shay shape. where we always do something before.

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