Daniel Cormier On Jon Jones, Dana White, Conor McGregor, Khabib, LeBron, Tom Brady & Jake Paul

Have we ever seen someone in that sport. that possessed the arsenal that he has? >> No. He's by far the most talented person. that we've had in mixed martial arts. When he beat me, I was. >> That was the best you'd ever been. >> I'd never been better. >> Let's just say for the sake of argument, you're three years apart. And now y'all. move up and y'all heavyweight. >> Nah, he he wasn't beating me at heavy. all my life. Been grinding all my life. Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price, want. a slice, got to roll the dice. That's. why all my life I've been grinding all. my life. All my life. Been grinding all.

my life. Sacrifice hustle paid the. price. Want a slice. Got to roll a dice. That's why all my life I've been. grinding all my life. [Music]. >> Hello. Welcome to another episode of. Club Shay. I am your host Shannon Sharp. I'm also the propri of Club Shay. Stopping by for conversation and a drink. today is one of the most accomplished. and decorated fighters in MMA history. He's one of the great mixed martial. artists of all times. A warrior in the. octagon, a champion in every MMA.

organization he's competed in, a former. UFC light heavyweight champion and. heavyweight champion. He's the second. fighter in UFC history to hold titles in. two weight classes simultaneously. He's. the first fighter to in the UFC to win. and defend both the light heavyweight. and the heavyweight belts. A UFC Hall of. Famer, a two-time Olympian, three-time. Louisiana State Champion, an. all-American freestyle wrestler, color. commentator, worldclass talent, a master. on the microphone, a father, a husband, a legend. DC could stand for double.

champion, but in this case, it stands. for Daniel Cormier, >> my man. Hey, say it again. When you say. it all, when you say it all, when you. say it all, man, I'm going to tell you, when you say it all, it's something cuz. I grew up in Louisiana. I never could. have imagined this life. I swear to God, I never could have imagined. And to hear. all that, man, that was uh that was a. ride, >> man. Thanks for stopping by Club Shay. Shay. >> Thank you, >> man. You know, when you stop by Club. Shay, you know you got to have a taste. of the. >> Yeah. Yeah. That shave by the pool.

>> Yeah, man. Awardw winning. >> Awardw winning. >> It's good. >> It's great. You know anything about. Kanye? >> No, I don't. But let me I'm going to try. that. >> Oh, it smells strong, too. See? >> Swish it around. Don't. Well, that's pretty good. It don't even. really It don't. >> Yeah. See, they got that bite. You got. that bite. I was expecting a little bit. So, my daddy drink like Southern Comfort. and stuff like that. Set your hair on. fire. >> Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. It's nice and.

smooth. Yeah. It's easy. >> See, we got to get you some. We got to. get some for your old man. >> That's actually really good. >> Yeah. See, >> that's real good. Let me ask you when. you hear what I read off and you and I. were talking before we started this. interview and you was talking about. growing up in Louisiana and the. expectations of and now you're in media. >> Did you expect any of this to happen? This be your life at your age now? >> No, Shannon, I was I was a kid that I. didn't do I grew up in in Lafayette,

right? So, it's not the best place, right? >> But I followed everybody. So, I did. everything they did. So whenever when I. was in high school, my freshman year, I. was a kid that failed off the wrestling. team, right? >> I was a kid that had to go to summer. school to get to 10th grade, I did all. kinds of bad stuff until I started. getting better at wrestling, right? >> And then I realized like, wait, this. wrestling can take me somewhere, >> right? >> But even after that, I never thought. that. >> I would have jobs doing what I do with. the volume, uh, working at ESPN, working. at Fox that I used to. >> A lot of similarities, right? But like.

having those opportunities, I never. could have imagined doing that because. >> I didn't even go I didn't go to college. for media. None of us did. We went to. college to play sports. >> And normally the best people that are in. media didn't go to college for media, especially when they do what we do. Now, obviously, you know, the the playbyplay. and and things of that, you know, obviously, but. >> to sit and talk about a sport, >> it it really helps if you play that. sport and you can speak through personal. experience. >> Absolutely. And that's what people want. to hear. The people actually want to.

hear when you are talking as the guy. that played. >> the tight end, the guy that's in the Pro. Football Hall of Fame. When you're. talking about football. >> because they know, well, he been in the. trenches and that's what I do when it. comes to fighting. I can explain. something in real fine detail. >> Yes. >> Because. >> there's no position I haven't. experienced, >> the good and the bad in my career. >> I'm going to take it from this approach. You you got a late start to the to to. MMA. >> Yep. and getting a late start that.

didn't deter you because now I'm looking. at you what you were able to accomplish. later in your career. How I mean is how. is that possible DC? >> So I walked into that gym at 30 and a. half, right? >> I turned 31 in March. I I only fought. for 10 years and at 41 I should have. been done but the money had got too. good. That's the way you know the money. get good at the end. The money get good. at the end whenever you aren't supposed. to be doing it anymore. But I I I kept. fighting. But I walked into that gym,

but because of my background in. wrestling, it gave me like a massive. head start. So I d I went out to San. Jose. I I went to multiple gyms. recruiting. >> They were trying to get me to train, but. I walked into AKA, bro. I saw Kane. Velasquez. I was like, "Yo, that dude is. who I want to fight like. And if I can. train alongside him, >> right, >> it will lead me to being one of the. best." But at 31 years old, I was. essentially making my uh MMA debut. >> because normally guys that are really. really good, they start obviously you.

got a wrestling background, but they've. been doing this for an extremely long. period of te of time and you just. basically I mean 30 years old with a. wrestling background, but you got to be. multifaceted to be really good in the. UFC. The more rounded you are, the. better you are. If you're. one-dimensional, you're not going to. have a you're going to have a very short. shelf life in that sport. >> Yep. Not today. You can't you you you. definitely cannot be onedimensional. today. Right. >> Back in the day, you remember Royce. Grace and those guys? I do. They would. walk with the the jiu-jitsu chain. You. had the jiu-jitsu guy. You had the big. boxer. One brother went out there with.

one glove on. His name was R. Jimmerson. He went out there with one glove. >> Can't do that. >> The first two fights that were in. Denver, Colorado, I saw him UFC. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> You went? >> I went. >> See, that's crazy. >> I was telling Dana the story. >> You actually went to watch it? >> I went to watch it cuz I I I'm, you. know, just like Okay. And you know, listening to it, what is it going to be? Well, we going to see if a karate guy. could beat a this guy and if a big guy. could beat that guy. And I'm like, "Okay, so what about the classic?" They. like, "Ain't no weight class." I like, "Hold on. So a guy 125 could literally. be fighting somebody 275." Like, "Yeah.".

I like, "Uh, I don't think this going to. end well.". >> But that's what drew you in, right? And. then Royce wins and he's 165. >> Yes. I'm looking at this little dude. I. said, "You about to get the brace beat. off you." And he got his he got his he. got his suit on and Yeah. And I'm like, "What's he doing?" He's like literally. trying to lay down. I'm like, I don't. think this cuz I because I ain't never. about no. TC. I don't know about no Brazilian. jitsu. And he's like laying down. I'm. like, what you doing? >> You go down there, you trouble. >> Yeah, exactly. >> If you go down there with him, they were.

in trouble. But. >> I I had So, girl, so that my manager. Yeah. >> still to this day, Dwayne, he calls me. when I graduate college at Oklahoma. State. He goes, "Hey, there's a sport.". This is 2001. He goes, "There's a sport. that's going to take over. It's going to. be MMA. It's fighting. Have you ever. been in a fight like in your life? >> Right. >> I started laughing at him. I said, "Bro, I grew up in Louisiana. I had to fight. all the time." Right. >> And I think that. >> that even though even though Shan like. we don't. >> I'm pretty sure you grew up down in the.

South K and you had to fight at times. even though we aren't doing it. correctly. Somebody's trying to punch. you. You're trying to punch someone. So. then it when somebody taught me to punch. like, "Okay, this is how it's done the. right way." Correct. So, it allowed for. me to uh adjust to it much faster. I. wasn't scared, right? >> Like that's the biggest thing with. wrestlers, especially being scared to. get hit. You cannot be scared, >> right? >> How is it that we're starting to see. more athletes DC dominate in their 40s, you saw a guy like yourself, you see a.

LeBron James, you saw a Tom Brady, you. see guys that are playing at extreme cuz. normally guys, they're gone. By the time. they get to the mid30s, they're gone. Especially in your sport, even in. football, guys ain't playing that long. And every once in a while, you'll get a. Kareem Abdul Jabbar that'll be, but he's. a big guy and he doesn't need to get up. and down the court. >> Yep. >> But to see Tom play until he's what, 43, 44 years of age. Yourself fighting. >> at 41. Yeah. >> That's a whole LeBron still being able. to be play at the level he's playing at.

Why do you think guys have been able to. to to do things to this level for much. longer? >> Because of the access to to recovery. I. think athletes are smarter today. Those. guys are are very young. So when we're. younger, like you're in your 20s, you're. in your 30s, you're Superman. Yeah. You. go to sleep, you jump out of bed, you go. to train. Yes. >> Every day. But then as you start to get. older, the body starts to ache a little. more. But those guys in their 20s and. 30s are not. >> they're not rejecting the body anymore. They're saying at 25, while I may feel.

great, I know there are like problems. underlying for me that I need to address. address make sure that I'm straight. And. I think that's why they're playing so. long, but they're playing at an elite. level. I remember when Pton Manning went. to Denver. >> He said it himself. He goes, "I can't. throw the ball down the field." He goes, "But I will manage a game. Every now and. again, I'll give you one that goes a. little deeper." He goes, "But I'm. managing the game." Because at the point. we were still kind of living in that. that world where you just age and then. you age out. And even Aaron Rogers right. now, right? We'll see what happens this.

year. But last year, he just didn't look. like the same guy and caught up to him. quick, >> right? going into a fight because like you. said, when you're young, you feel. invincible. You feel you can't lose. As. you start to get age, you're like, I'm. not as quick as I once was. My reaction. time is not the same. My my my defense. mechanisms are not the same. My spidey. senses don't tingle like they once did. I'm not processing information. You know. what I'm saying? The computer. >> the internet ain't working. >> The internet you you back on a.

>> dial up. You don't. [Laughter]. >> you're exactly right. But DC, I mean for. you I mean you went in there and you did. what you did to CP like what's what is. your what was your thought process? Did. you like man I'm getting older. Did you. do any did you train any different? >> So at 39 I didn't so I I didn't at 39. This is the craziest [ __ ] ever. So 39. starts. >> Yes. >> Right. In 2017. I lost to Jon Jones in Anaheim. >> Right. So, I was they called me, "Hey,

you want to fight another fight?" It was. like September, uh, October. I said, "No." I said, "Um, this was the first. time I'd been knocked out in my life.". Like, in my life, Shannon, like. >> in football, I would hit people and you. kind of buzz. >> I was knocked out, >> bell rung, and all it was was my bell. just got rung, right? You go back to. playing. >> I got knocked out, man. like he kicked. me in the head and he hit me with a. bunch of follow-up shots and it put me. out like hey. >> I remember I can tell you right now this. was in 2017.

>> from the the moment I that fight. finished all the way back to the. ambulance I still can't recall that time. >> really. >> I can't make myself remember what. happened I try I try now even at night. to go man what happened in that 10 15. minutes. >> dude there's a video of me crying with. Joe Rogan He's interviewing me after the. fight, but I'm so concussed that I'm. crying in the lockdown because I just. lost the biggest fight of my career, right? >> They called me to fight again. And I. said, "No." I said, "I'm gonna let my. brain rest until the end of next year.

>> or the beginning of next year. I fight. in January. At 39, I feel great. I go. into I I I win the belt back. I beat. Stipe in July and I'm fine. I feel no. age because of the late start, right? I'm only doing this seven years now, right? Eight years. Because of the late. start at 39, I become the double champ. I defend the belt in Madison Square. Garden. Everything is great. But on that. morning of that fight with Derrick. Lewis, I get up to do my shakeout. I go. run, hit my pads. As I'm on the.

treadmill, I'm like, "God, I'm like, I. don't feel great this morning. Like, I'm. kind of like achy, right, Shannon? I'm. running. I sneeze. Bro, when I sneeze, threw my back out. What? Threw my back. out. I sneezed so violently.". >> That's like a baseball player doing a. mess like that. >> Yes. I sneeze so violently. My back went. out. So now I'm stuck hunched over. Mind. you, at 1:00 a.m. tonight, I've got to. walk to that octagon and fight Derrick. Lewis. You can't lose a main event on. the day. So then they come and they they. massage me. They give me a stem cell.

treatment. They get me up in about. around 5:00 in the afternoon. I go. fight. One month after that, I'm in the. gym training. I kick Kane's leg. He. checks it. Tingle goes all the way up my. leg. >> The the the the the disc sits on my. sciatica. Now I'm paralyzed almost. And. from that moment on, I just was not the. same guy. It took one incident, a. sneeze, essentially ended my career. because I never want to fight again, right? Stipe beat me the next time, then. he beat me the following time. It's like. I never It was that one thing. So, I.

think these guys while they're playing. longer have an ability to go longer, but. it'll be one thing. LeBron, >> yes. If LeBron gets hurt, >> it's not going to be like when he got. hurt in his 20s. He's really going to. struggle to bounce back. >> because when you're younger, the ability. to bounce back, I mean, an injury that. would keep you down a day, all of a. sudden it's two, three days or maybe. it's a week. And a injury that would. keep you down a week when you're younger. is keeping you down two weeks or maybe. even a month. The body just doesn't. recover. >> with the football like when you how old. were you when you retired?

>> I was uh I was I was going to turn 36 in. 2 months. >> So, you were still relatively young. In. today's game though, you'd have played. three more years. >> Yes. >> Right. But how did the how did. >> Because because they don't in training. camp, we had, you know, we was outside. twice a day. We hitting we have some. days we have two a day practices. >> They don't even hit no more. >> No, no, no, no. They don't they don't. hit no more. We we we hit. We They were. for real real here. And we hit for real. real in college and we hit for real real. in high school. So, >> but I think it got our bodies used to.

taking that. We didn't have these little. ticky tack injuries that these guys get. now. >> But. >> do you think that because you didn't. have the wear and tear? >> Mhm. >> That you know, say if you had gotten to. this like in your 20 like I think Jon. Jones started like 20. >> John Jones was Jon Jones started at like. 19. >> Yeah. Do you think because you didn't. have the wear and tear because like you. said even though you got I mean you had. a short chef life. Really? You only had. like eight years? >> Yeah. Yeah. I fought for eight years, right? I was the champ. I was in the. championship for eight years. I fought. for the belt those last two years. That.

didn't mean I was necessarily in the. picture, right? I was fighting for the. belt because I have the name value. I. was fighting for the belt in Anaheim. because I was the champion, right? I had. to defend. Sure, I was beating Stipe, but man, by that. >> that old monkey jump on my back in the. third round. Sh. I was beating the [ __ ]. out of him. By the third round, the. monkey jump on my back. I was like, "Yo, I am exhausted. I'd never felt it. before.". >> Wow. Yeah. It was crazy. It was It is. the scariest thing that you could ever. imagine in your life. I've been in some. some hairy situations.

inside that octagon. not having the energy to fight. >> cuz that dude wants to kill you. >> Yes. >> If that like if that referee don't take. him off of you, he going to keep beating. you up. >> Like seriously, like that's how you got. to approach fighting, >> right? >> So it's like it that's a scary when. you're like you get off that stool and. you're like, "Oh my god, I don't know. how if I got 10 more minutes and scary.". I forget who it was, but I remember. there was some lady that she like woke.

she's like I was in the ring and I. realized I didn't want to fight anymore. >> I was like you probably want like in. training or or maybe even the night. before. >> in the back. >> Yes. But you don't in the ring and she I. forget her name. Um. >> she fought. >> Yes. >> She got knocked out, didn't she? >> She lost. >> She lost. >> She lost. >> She lost. Uh Misha Misha Tate. >> Misha Tate. Yep. Misha Tate. Yep. I. remember her saying that. >> and I was like, >> "Boy, that's an awful time to find out. you don't want to do something when.

you're actually doing it.". >> Yeah. There's some questions before. Yeah. Every time. >> Oh, yeah. For sure. >> Every time you There's some questions. I. used to watch I used to watch Floyd and. >> all them dudes like in the ring before. when they're introducing them like, "How. do they do that? How do they find calm. >> in this with everything going on around. him. >> with what's at stake?". >> Yeah. >> And I was like, man, I I couldn't do it. But then I I would I would walk to that. octagon. It's the mo like you know like you know. right and that's why people that's what.

people don't understand when you hit. that tunnel for a Super Bowl or you hit. that tunnel for a big game your whole. body's on fire. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. You you you got. goosebumps. >> You got goosebumps everywhere. >> What's going through your mind. >> Shannon? I'm in the back every time and. I would go in same routine. I'm from. Louisiana superstitious. I go in the. back and I go to sleep. People would. look at me like, "How can you sleep. knowing that in three hours you're going. to go fight for a world championship?". >> Right? >> But I knew that my preparation I left I.

left no stalling turn. I done. everything. So the result was done, right? >> Either I was going to win or I was going. to lose because. >> it wasn't going to be something that you. did in that room. And in that 3 hours, >> how do you settle yourself? I said, "Because I'm ready." But they would I. would be in the back. I'd get up. I do. my warm-up. Then they would tell me, "All right, DC, you walk in a minute.". He start hearing music and all right DC. we're walking in 5 4 3 2 1 and it's just. nerves I'm like how many times should I. have gone left I went to college Shannon. how did I end up here fighting.

>> man I hit that curtain thousands of. people 18,000 the UFC does an amazing. job of walking you through the crowd. >> and the energy is just electric and. they're reaching for you and they're. they want a piece of you right. >> and and I couldn't I couldn't even. handle it I would run to the octagon. because it's just too much. I'm already. jazzed. I can't take in any more energy. before I step in there. >> Do you see them? Cuz a lot of times like. you get you get into a zone DC and you. know, like you said, like you don't even.

you don't even see the people. It's like. a calm. Like I'm in a game and it's like. a calm. I don't even hear the crowd. >> Yeah. >> It's like everything is just like hush. and all of a sudden you catch a pass, you catch a touchdown and it's ah yes, >> it's great. But I could like I can't see. him because I'm I'm focused. >> purposely tunneling on the octagon and. have the ability to go second. So the. guy that I'm fighting is already in. there. Right. >> Right. So I'm not standing there waiting. trying to So I'm I'm going second. When. I hit that when I hit that that freaking.

uh when I hit that um that step, those. steps, >> I'd walk up and I tap the tab the. octagon. That was some football [ __ ] we. used to do. Always hit play like a champ. today, right? Like I always tap the. octagon. I go in there, >> bro. There's Bruce. Bruce is dressed to. the dime. >> There's some commissioners making sure. we don't fight before. And then when. they do the last instructions and you. turn around, >> there's a pen that they dropped to lock. the cage. It It makes that sound right. there that he just dropped, >> right? >> I could hear it. 20,000 in the arena. >> And you could still hear that pen. >> I could hear that pen. And then I would.

say to myself, I swear to God, I would. be like, "Somebody got to die in this. It ain't going to be me." Swear to God. Every time I be like, "Somebody going to. die in here." Like. >> I'm about to make you go make you go. unlock that gate. Yes, my goal is to make you unlock. >> You either jump over this, you either. jump over to run away from me or they. going to pull me off of you by the time. this is done, right? >> And then that was always my approach. because you had to look at it like life. and death. >> You just had to. I had so many things. I. wouldn't eat. I would like abstain from.

sex. I wanted to be as primal as I could. be going into the octagon. >> When you cut Okay, you're the light. heavy that weight is 205. So now, so. what are you coming down from? You. coming from 230? You coming from 235? You coming from 250? Where you coming. from? Deep. >> Shannon, my nutritionist was at my house for a. fight I was supposed to have in January, but I got hurt the day before. Thanksgiving. He had a turkey brine. A. turkey and a brine. It was in a big old. pale. >> Yeah, >> it was white though. Shannon, he was. going to make us Thanksgiving dinner,

but it was not going to be seasoned. >> I got hurt right before Thanksgiving, man. We took that turkey, rinsed all. that [ __ ] off, made it ourself, and. seasoned it. The next day, I weighed 257. lbs. What? >> I weigh I weighed 257, bro. >> And you got to be 205 in January. >> January 19th, I weighed in at 204.7. >> I was 257. >> What the heck? >> I was huge. I was big, but like I wasn't. tall. >> Yeah, I know. That's a lot of weight in. in a small area, DC. >> But but when I would walk into the.

octagon, you could see where the power. was in my ass and my legs. >> It was like that all this. >> You're really explosive. >> Exactly. And it was all in this. Right. While I was the shorter guy, short arms. Yeah. >> I had my torso is not tall, right? >> But like it's in my legs and that's why. the explosiveness was always so on on. display. Yeah. It was good. But it was. the He has the best. >> It's like walk dude when you're on when. you're on that sideline in the national. anthem playing that feeling. Yes. >> That's what we're feeling, bro. It's the. best. It's it lit. I've.

>> That's why so many fighters end up on. drugs and messed up because you can't. replace. >> You can't You can't replicate that. >> No, you can't. And that's why athletes. struggle once they leave their said. sport is because you're never going to. be able to replicate 20,000, 80,000, however many thousand. You're never. going to be able to replicate the locker. room. You're never going to be able to. replicate the bus rides, the plane. rides, just the camaraderie. Now, I. don't know. >> But that's what you missed the most. >> That's what you literally missed the. practices and afterwards just sitting. there talking. >> Yeah. Yeah. I didn't miss the games. I.

mean, the money was nice, but you just. missed the camaraderie, the laughing and. joking. You in the line stretching and. doing all those things. Yep. >> You mentioned Anaheim. Y. >> you fought Jon Jones. I think you were. 35 and he was 27. >> Yep. Yep. >> If you guys were comparable ages, is. that fight different? >> I think I think there are a lot of I. think there are a lot of reasons why he. beat me. He's I mean, have you met Jon. Jones? >> I haven't. >> Jon Jones is probably 65 6'4 65.

Jon Jones's arms are 84 in apart. His. reach. Wow. Mine are 72. Yeah. So like. he was taller like a so even if even at. the same age he would still be taller. >> Yes. >> Um two of his brothers played in the. NFL. One was like really good Chandler. >> Chandler. >> Um. so I think I would be better because I. would be younger. But I don't know if I. could have been better in Anaheim. because I trained so hard because he. beat me the first time.

>> I've never been better. I when he beat. me I was better. >> That was the best you'd ever been. >> I'd never been better. I would have beat. everybody else in the world in and in. all those weight classes. I was never. better than that night and he beat me. And even the fight up to the point that. he got me, it was just super. competitive, >> right? >> Joe Rogan said something to the effect. of, "You can clearly see you're watching. the two best lightweights we've ever. seen in an octagon, right? >> Because we were both so locked in." So, I don't know that the age made as much. of a difference because I just think. that he has a lot of built-in advantages.

with his height and his reach and he's. got great timing and he's tough, dude. >> He's very tough, Shannon. Like, I would. club him upside the head and he would. just keep fighting. >> He would just and not many did that. >> And that's what I want. What makes him. because like you say, okay, he's he's. 6'4 and a half. He's 6'5, 84 in reach. Um, he can punch you. He can take you. down. See, he don't hit very hard. though, but his hands, >> he does not punch hard. >> Really? >> No, he does not punch hard. He He So, we.

were I went into the fight. I talked to. Rashad Evans, right? And Rashad goes, "He doesn't hit hard, but he has other. weapons." So, we first start fighting. the first time. We trade jabs because I. had a real unique ability because of my. athleticism to get to the jab even. though the guy was taller. So, we jab. each other. >> and my nose started bleeding. I was. like, "Well, why my nose bleeding? He. hit hard. My [ __ ] bleeding. His [ __ ]. bleeding for different reasons. But um. uh. >> Oh, there you go. >> Ignore that.

[Applause]. >> You got you got to think that with. anything. >> So my [ __ ] bleeding, right? And I'm. like, "Why is my nose bleeding?" I was. like, "Why my [ __ ] bleeding?" So anyhow, he uh we start fighting and I'm like, "Okay, but I got to pressure him because. I'm shorter, >> right?". >> Yo, you got to walk through some razors. to get to him. >> He's got knees. Yes. That you. So, by. the time I get in, >> I've been kneading the body three times. I've been elbowed two times. So, now I. get off. I get my [ __ ] going. And then.

>> we get apart. So, now I got to go all. through the razors again to get my. offense going again. That's what makes. him special. He's a special fighter. He. really is. And I respect him. >> for what he did inside the Octon. Mainly. because he beat me on that night. like. >> and you said that's the absolute best. >> DC has ever ever been. >> Shannon, I I was I was in such great. shape. My shoulders were like big. I was. lifting. I was running. I was training.

hard. I was conditioned. I mean, >> I was well conditioned. I was mopping. >> You was ready to go five. If if if five. if five is what is required, >> it's going to. >> cuz we went 25 the first time. Yes. Right. So I And and my cardio failed me. >> Okay. So, I was like, I need to be. better cuz it's going 25 again. >> Okay. >> And then ultimately, he got me with the. head kick. But, >> uh, I was in shape, man. I was ready to. go. My mind was strong. Everything was. ready to go get the job done. >> on that night. But, he was he he got it. done. He was. >> What about him at What if y'all had.

moved up? Y'all similar in age. Let's. just say for the sake of argument, you're three years apart and now y'all. move up and y'all fight heavyweight. >> Nah, he he wouldn't beat me at. heavyweight. >> He couldn't beat you? I don't think so. because I was good at heavyweight. I. think I was probably better. >> And you're probably a natural. heavyweight there. My natural weight. I was like my natural. weight. But he almost admitted it. He he. he said in the time that we were. fighting, he goes, >> "No, I'm not going to fight him at. heavyweight. That would be giving him. the advantage.".

>> He goes, "He's bigger than me. naturally." And he goes, "No." But then. like a couple weeks ago, he was talking. about me fighting. I was like, "Bro, I'm. 45 years old, man. I'm 46 now. Go fight. the dude that want to fight you." Like, they got a big old. >> Oh, he want to fight you not. heavyweight. >> You talking about I would have beat I. would beat DC at heavyweight. Yo, I've. been I've been retired for 5 years, my. brother, >> right? >> Go fight somebody else. Like, I'm good. >> Pick on somebody your own side. >> Go fight Tom Aspenol. >> When you and John got into it at the at.

the uh the presser, >> the very first. >> Yeah. >> What happened? >> Damn. DC. >> Hey Shannon, it's so funny because. MMA has struggled to encapture the urban. audience. >> Yes. >> It really has. >> Mhm. >> John and I are going to fight the first. time. John and I have had a we we've. always had a history of not getting. along great. >> Right. >> So when the press conference happened, we came forward at the forehead. I. pushed him. He pushed me. We flew off. the octagon. That was right in the.

middle of football season in every. sports center. Everything led with that. >> Correct. >> Cuz it was that big. >> Lorenzo Patina told me, he goes, "You. guys would have made so much money." He. goes, "You made great money in January, but it was 6 months." He goes, "If y'all. fought in September," he goes, "you. can't imagine how much money you would. have made on pay-per-view.". >> But cuz the fire had died down a little. bit after 6 months passed. >> But we had that moment where the cameras. the cameras kept recording, right? >> It was just and we just didn't like each. other. But after the fight, I was in New.

York, New Jersey, walking around like I. would always do. And that's when I. realized that being in there with him. had changed the way the public perceived. me, >> right? >> Cuz I'm in a very urban neighborhood, very black, and everybody's like, "Hey, hey, hey." But I think it was because of. what we did for each other. It hate each. other, dislike each other. We did great. business and we did elevate each other.

to the to the point that when I fought. Stipe, I was able to elevate him, >> right? >> Because of the name recognition I got. from fighting John. >> Look, the elephant in the room um I saw. Demetrius Johnson says because Jon. Jones, the steroid is tied to his name. Yep. >> He can't be in the GO conversation. >> I don't believe that. I don't believe. that he should be considered the. greatest ball type. I've said that you. can't you can't. Shannon steroids. >> yes. >> in fighting is much different than.

anything else in the world. >> They make you stronger. They make you. faster. They give you endurance, >> recovery ability when you train. >> That's what you That's what it that's. mainly what steroids does. It allows you. to go to there and go hard and go hard. tomorrow and go hard the day after and. go hard the day after and go hard the. day after. That's when you grow. That's. when you become better. Y. >> because it gets to a point where you're. like, damn, I I just I can't get I can't. give you everything today. >> Yes. >> But you can go back to back to back. >> And that was me at 36, right? Even.

though I was the best I could ever be. The best I could ever be. I'm working as. hard as I could ever work in my life. knowing that I have to be ready. At 36, he's 28. Right. >> So, he's in his prime. >> He's in his prime. But that's the fight. that he actually tested positive and. they made it a no contest. >> Mhm. So, while he's doing that, it's. like, like you said, he's able to keep. up with me work-wise, but exceed it. because at a point I got to say, "Hey, coach, I got to take a morning, man. I.

need it. I have to I have to take a. morning. >> and I don't know that he would need to. do that." Yeah. So, I I don't I don't I. don't uh. >> Did you suspect at the time when you. were in there with him that there's. something that might not be on the up. and up? >> No, no, no, no. I didn't suspect. He. felt like him. He felt like he was. always strong, >> right? >> He was always strong. He was always big. He was always in shape. It wasn't. nothing that surprised me. What sucked was that was that I I felt. like I moved past it, right? Like, okay, this dude beat me twice. This shit's. over. Like, there's nothing I'm going to.

do to be the champ. Because. >> if I can't beat him, nobody else has. beaten him. >> Hey, that's the truth, right? I was. like, yo, if I ain't beating him, the. rest of these dudes ain't beating them. because I know how much, >> right? >> Cuz when I fight the other ones, I. destroy them. >> Right. >> Right. >> Cuz they don't have the tool. tool. They. don't have the toolbox he got now. >> Exactly. >> And plus, he's 6'5, 6'4 and a half. He's. long long limbs and he like he he has it. all. I mean, you can elbow, you need. >> If he if you write a checkbook, a.

checklist of what you want in a fighter. at 205 to heavyweight, >> Jon Jones, they're talking about the. White House. They're talking about a. White House fight card. >> Hey man, we got to have some Americans. win. >> Yes. >> I don't you I don't like Jon Jones. It's. no secret. The whole world knows it, >> right? I said, "Man, y'all better put. Jon Jones on there because right now we. ain't got one American in the top 10. pound for pound." I said, "If y'all want. an American dude to go get a victory, put Jon Jones in there because he going. to win. That's what he does.". >> Yes. >> But I at the end of the day, I still.

don't believe, and I agree with DJ. It's. like you just can't have that tied to. your name, especially in fighting, >> right? >> And people call you the greatest of all. time. >> He's the greatest talent, >> right, >> the sport has ever seen. >> Have we That's what I was about to ask. you. Have we ever seen someone in that. sport that possessed the arsenal that he. has? >> No. >> No. He's by far the He's by far the most. talented person that we've had in mixed. martial arts in terms of his his length, his skills, his mind. He's the most.

talented guy we've ever had. We've had. great fighters. Demetrius Johnson was. amazing. Kabib is amazing. But Kabib did. it through grit, determination, and hard. work. He wasn't Kabib wasn't going to. run a basketball and shoot it. Jon. Jones. They got a video of Jon Jones. trying to dunk a basketball. You should. see that. That's bad. But obviously he's. he's an athlete. Look at his family. >> Yes. Right. Got two brothers playing in. the NFL. >> Yeah. Yeah. He he was he's the best. athlete we ever had. In terms of stero. in terms of the best fighter of all.

time, I would never give that because of. that. Now, he's not the only guy that. fought on steroids. I think that before. they started doing all that testing, >> all those guys were doing steroids. Really? >> I really do. They just they I mean many. of them had popped for steroids before. and I fought them. >> and they had they had figured out a way. how to cycle on and off without. >> getting cycle on and off or. uh cycle on and off or they just weren't. testing. >> Right. >> I I I never took a drug test until I got.

into the UFC. I just went and fought. So, I don't know what those guys were. doing. There was a guy No, no, they said. that this guy got tested positive for. something. They said USADA, who was the. testing commissioner at the time, bro, they got a bit they got a bit like. >> I know when they're coming, right? >> They would come at 6:00 a.m. in the. morning and I did I got tested 65 times. from USADA. >> from wrestling to then. But look at me. I'm not on steroids. >> Yeah. >> But they were you hitting the numbers. I.

said that publicly one time way back in. the day. The next time they came to my. house at 4:00 in the afternoon. So they. were watching but they because they had. gotten like repetitive. They they heard. fighters doing it. One guy popped for. something. Shannon, they got him at 10. PM. They said if they would have let him. go to bed and wake up the next morning, they could have tested him, it'll have. been gone. 12 hours. 12 hours for that to get out of his. system. It's crazy the level of stuff. they have out there. >> Well, it's just like anything. I mean, >> they're going to come up with something.

that that's in and out. They got these. peptides now. See, and you didn't you didn't think it. was going to be you thought it was going. to have all that bite to it. >> I don't drink. >> No, it don't got it don't have any bite. It don't have any bite. But the the. viral video of you finding out that he. test positive and. >> you you like you was just so broken. heart. >> heartbroken. It's like you It's like. losing your first girlfriend. I had a. girlfriend growing up and when me and. her we went crazy, right? You. >> you have sex for the first time.

>> It is all you want to do. I'm checking. myself out of school, man, to go meet. this girl. She's checking herself out of. school. She's up in the middle of the. night on the phone because her mom. doesn't let her use the phone. >> Our parents took us together. They found. out what we were doing, >> right? >> They sat us in the front yard and told. us we could not see each other anymore. >> That made. >> That's what it felt like. Let me tell you something. I'm on the. city bus getting over that. >> I'm telling my 35 cents, man. I'm going. to her house. Who doesn't mama go to. work? And you said.

>> it was like that. >> I will sign a waiver. I want to fight. it. >> Heartbroken because I know how hard I. had worked. Again, it was just like. Anaheim. I worked so hard to prepare. myself. >> Right. >> We are. When you're fighting, that's your business partner. Imagine. you're playing the Kansas City Chiefs. >> and on Sunday they just don't show up. >> Think about it. >> We done practice all week. >> that they just don't show up, >> right? But your game check is tied to them.

showing up. >> Yes. >> Now you're like, "Hey man, you're. hurting my business. I know what the. first check looked like when we fought, right? >> I want that second check.". >> And then by the hopefully we go a third. time. You know what I'm saying? It's. like. >> that was the her of it. And then it was. UFC 200, man. We was on We were on Good. Morning America together. It was big. And I was like, "Man, we need a It was I. was heartbroken because it's not just. me. It was my entire team that worked so. hard to make sure I was prepared to.

fight that night. So yeah, I said, "I'll. sign whatever I need to." But Dana was. like, "Come on." Dana was like, "You. can't do that." You could tell he didn't. want to tell me that. You could tell it. was like he was like, "Can I talk to. you?" I was like, "What do you need me. to? What do you need?" I was staying at. the MGM signature cuz I always stayed. like at that small little one on the. side. >> He goes, "Can you come over to the arena. right now?" And I was like, "Why?" I was. like, "It's 2:00 in the afternoon." He. goes, "I want you to I have to talk to. you about something really important.". So, I walk over with my team and he's in.

the back in that hallway and he tells me. and he goes, "We have to talk to the. media." I was like, "Damn, this. everything's in place and I didn't. know." I was still just going about my. day like I was going to go cut weight to. make for the fight. >> And he was like, "You have to address. the media." It was horrible. >> I was up there crying and [ __ ]. >> Yeah, I know. People, man, DC, what you. crying for? >> DC crying every time. All these these do. is cry. They got me crying multiple. times. >> Did you drive home. >> from from. >> from Or did you fly after you found out.

that the fight? >> No. No. I fought I fought. Remember I. fought Anderson Silva two days later. >> They got Anderson to fight. Yeah. Which. was good. I actually I got to fight. Anderson Silva which was awesome. But. thank God Anderson said yes. Not many. people would have done it. >> No. No. >> Not two days. No. But but is it hard. because you're fighting a a fight. because a lot I've seen people take. fights on short notice and kick the. other fighter's ass because he's not. prepared to fight that guy. You prepared. to fight a guy with one style and this. guy has a different style and you're. like.

>> and something bad could have happened. So I was surprised you even took that. >> So I took the fight because I want I. dude I wanted to fight bad like when you. want you want to fight. You want the. check and you want to fight. >> You want the check but you want to fight. like. >> right cuz that's what you do. >> I got all that weight. I was already 215. pounds. Like I don't want to go through. all that, right? And then two months. they go, you got to do it again. Right. >> Because as a champion, I would fight. >> two times a year max. Yes. >> Right. So I'm like, I don't want to have. to go through that again. So I would I I. I fought Anderson and it it wasn't a.

great fight because again, I was so. nervous, >> right, >> dude? I was in the octagon. I looked. across and I was like the very first UFC. I ever went to, I went to Philadelphia. to watch Anderson Silva beat Forest. Griffin. And I mean, Anderson was. flexing on him. He's like moving. sideways, punching him with one hand. force is just falling down. He finishes. the guy that was the UFC light. heavyweight champion. I was like, >> "Damn, this is crazy. I'm fighting. Anderson.". >> I'm in the octagon. I go to the middle. When I walk back to the side, I look. behind me and I said, "Oh my god, that's.

actually Anderson Silva standing over. there.". >> Like seriously, >> I'm really fighting a legend. >> I'm really fighting Anderson Silva. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That was the first I've never had. that happen to me in my my life. It was. always somebody's got to die. Except for. when I fought Anderson, I was like, >> you're like, I don't want to beat this. man. >> I got to fight Anderson Silva. But then. once I got then I started trying to kick. No, I never had that problem. >> You. >> You don't take You don't take it easy, don't do. >> Dan Henderson was my idol. He was on the. Olympic team. I choke him unconscious. >> Damn, D. >> I beat the [ __ ] out of him.

>> You don't feel bad? >> Hell no. Somebody got to die, Jay. Somebody got to get it right. Will you. play your brother in football? If you. play st. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We grow. Oh, >> you want to lose? >> No. I'm trying to kill him. I'm trying. to kill him. And we love each other. >> Tell him about it afterward. >> Yes. >> John retires and everybody's like, "Hold. on, bro. You retired." And then two. weeks later, you talking about you in. protocol again, testing protocol. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> That pissed you off, didn't it? >> So, when he retired, it it didn't I just.

wanted him to I wanted to see him fight. Tom Aspenol. I just want him I wanted to. see him fight Tom. >> Aspenol. That good? He good, Shannon. He. literally has everything you want in a. heavyweight. He's big. He's physical. He. can wrestle. He's fast. I Michael Bisping. once said to me, "Oh man, I'm telling he. could be like Muhammad Ali MMA." I said, "Man, you going crazy." I said, "You. You're a person that works at the. company. You're a person that take. people take your opinion seriously. You.

cannot be that strong on one side." He. goes, "I swear it's true." He's fighting. a guy uh named Sergey who had knocked. out 10 straight people. Nobody could go. around with Sergey. Tom Aspenog knocks. him out in a round. Walks into the thing. and hugs Michael Bismick. I was like, I. thought I said Bismick, I thought you. were like his advocate. You advocating. for this dude. But I'm like, he's. actually that good, right? And then he. beats up on Curtis Blades. He beats. everybody. >> And so when I think about it, I'm like, okay, now we get to see John. Because.

John and I did this thing called counter. punch where he sat on one side, I sat on. the other with Joe Rogan. >> Yeah. >> And John said. it it was so it was crazy cuz we just. hated each other so much. We were just. talking, >> right? >> John said to me, he said, "At the end of. the day, I'm better than you because I'm. younger." He goes, "You can't beat me in the basketball. game." I go, "Well, that's debatable. you know, you can't out swim me, you.

can't outrun me. He said, because every. day you wake up, you're a day older and. you look in the mirror and you see a 36. year old man and I look in, I'm in my. absolute prime. I'm 28. >> He said, "You can't be better than me. because the laws of life don't allow for. a 36-y old man to be better than a 28-y. old man when we're doing the same. thing.". Tom Aspenol is 30 now. Jon Jones is 38. Not a person. I want to see it on the.

opposite side. >> because he said and he said, "Well, he. should be favored because you know he's. much younger and I've heard you and. other fighters say, "Well, you were you. were. >> the whole time. >> the older guy gave you an opportunity.". >> He dropped the ladder. >> So, return the favor and give this guy. You don't think there's any chance that. Jon could beat him? >> I do. That's the problem. If I had I. said to my I said gun to my head, if I. had to choose, I would probably say Jon. Jones would win. Wow. It's all I've seen. him do. I've seen him fight. He's right.

He's everyone. This is always the next. best guy. This guy's going to beat me. This guy's going to beat Jon Jones. And. what does Jon do? He vanquishes him. He. beats him. >> They said it about Gustin. >> They said about Gustin. Say it about me. Said it about Rashad. Said it about. Rampage. Said it about Sir Gan. I mean, he dirty sir Gan up. >> I mean, the man been away for a 100. years and and walked through Sir Gan. like he was like sir Gan was me. That. was embarrassing to DC. DC that was. embarrass. DC that was embarrassing.

>> I be trying to stay off of Cereal, man. Cuz I like Sirill. Yo, when Sirill was. on the ground and he looked at him like. I was like he looked like he saw a. ghost. He was so in awe of John that he. couldn't even compete with him. I was. like, "Bro, he about to fight for the. world title again." Imagine if imagine. if Sir Gan went win and John go, "Okay, okay, I'm back.". >> Yeah. >> Well, that'll piss somebody off. That. would piss people off cuz if Sirill. beats Tom cuz he's Sirill is that good. >> He is. >> He's that good. He could beat Tom.

Aspenol. >> No, but Dana Dana ain't going to let. that happen. >> What if John's like, "Yo, all right. >> You know, you know Dana won't let that. happen. Dana will not let Jon come back. and fight Sir for the heavyweight. title." He like, "No, no, no. You got to. fight. You got to fight.". >> The ultimate move of all time. I would. laugh at that [ __ ]. >> I would be happy. Like, John, do you you. you'll be cold for that one. Yeah. Okay. You say you can't put uh uh John as as. your goat. Give me about Rushmore. fighters. >> Demetrius Johnson. Okay. George St.

Pierre. >> Okay. >> Kabib. >> Mhm. >> Kabib was undefeated. Nobody beat him. Fourth. God, that's where it gets tough. That's. where it gets tough cuz you feel like. you want to put like when we talk about. just accomplishments, no one's more. accomplished than Amanda Nunees, >> right? Can Can I really put her on the. Mount Rushmore of fighting? But George, Demetrius, Kabib,

God, there are some good guys. Chuck. Liddell was good, man. Chuck Liddell's. kind of responsible for us being there. Randy Coutur won two titles in his. bracket. I think that fourth place would. belong to one of those guys. I think. somebody like that because. >> I I can't put I would never put myself. up there. Right. Right. Right. >> But I'm like right in that. >> Right. four to seven range of. >> I thought you might put Anderson. >> Anderson had the Anderson had the. steroid. Yeah. Right. Like I can't put. Anderson. Like I would like to put.

Anderson. If if I'm saying all those. guys included then obviously John and. Anderson are on that Mount Rushmore, >> but. >> I don't do that. I don't I refuse it. It's not in fighting. >> Barry Bonds was a Hall of Famer before. he even went to San Francisco. >> Correct. >> Right. Yeah. >> Plus he's hitting with a baseball bat. He's not punching someone right. >> in the face. >> Women fighters. What did What did Ronda Rousey do for. MMA? >> Everything for women. Dana on record.

said, "I will never have women fighting. in the UFC or something very close to. that.". >> Then Ronda came along and she just. opened up the floodgates. Yes. And now. Dana goes very in his life very rarely. does he make decisions where he's like I. really messed up. He openly goes Ronda. Rousey coming and and making me take on. female fighting is one of the best. decisions I've ever made cuz it gave me. Amanda Nunez gave me Jean Lee Valentina. Chevchenko. It's like all these women.

have an opportunity because of Ronda. >> No Ronda Rousey like I don't know if. women still today fight in the UFC. That's how important she is. Could she. have been better? >> I think she was at the right time also, >> right? >> The girls just weren't well-rounded. enough to compete with her. >> And when she got somebody that was. wellrounded, >> they they you saw what Amanda did to. her. >> I saw what Holly Holmes kicked. >> Holly kicked her in the head. >> That That was probably the beginning of. the end, wasn't it? >> Yeah. Well, you know, again, like you. know when it's done, but at the end is.

when the money gets better than it's. ever been. >> So, yeah. She couldn't have beat him. If. she couldn't have beaten Holly, she was. not going to beat Amanda. >> No. But I think it was just such a great. pull to have her back that she did it. >> You mentioned this, the UFC at the White. House. >> Dana, look, I was at the uh when they. had it at the sphere. >> Oh, you went, huh? >> I went. It was It was amazing. It was. amazing. And I wouldn't put anything if. if Dana say they going to have a fight. on the moon. I don't know what airline flying to the.

but it's going to happen. >> It's going to happen. If he says they're. going to have it on the White House lawn. now, I don't know how they going to pat. everybody down and frisk everybody, do. background checks because and maybe it's. just closed circuit and they're really. only a handful of staff there. >> No, no, I think it's going to be an. event. They said they want 20,000 in. there. >> at the White House. >> At the White House. >> They got an Easter egg hunt at the White. House when they put 28,000 on the. Easter. Look, >> but them kids. >> I didn't Hey Shannon, I swear to God.

Shannon, I swear to God, I I was not. believing it until I saw that they have. that Easter egg hunt there. I was like, "Wow." Well, then it's possible because. right now when when Trump goes to a. fight, >> Yeah. >> we get background checks. >> Yes. >> The night before they go to the arena, they're sweeping. They sweep it. The. morning of the fight before he shows up. >> I I don't know. But. >> they I told Dana this recently. We were. in New Orleans and I said, >> "You're going to the White House for. real." He goes, I said, "Because you.

said we got a year, we're a year away.". Yeah. >> He was talking about He was talking. about something on an interview and he. goes, "We still got a year. The world's. going to change in MMA by that point." I. said, "You're speaking indefinite." I. go, "This is happening." Yeah, we're. going to go We're going to go watch a. fight at the White House. That's crazy. >> The rivalries, the marching bands, the. upsets. Saturday just got way more fun. College football is back. Thank you know. the game. Put your college football. knowledge to the test with DraftKings. Sportsbook and turn your picks into big.

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>> Call C. I'm calling him Captain America. But. >> somebody got to win. >> But Dana don't But Dana wants for sure. thing. Knows that guys are going to be. he can count on. >> I think he's I think he's going to fight. at the White House. He has to. >> He has to fight at the White House. >> Aspenol. Don't I mean I don't know why. he won't fight this dude. I I I said. this D if I was still fighting I'd have. fought Tom Aspenol already. I just would. have did it. Like the bigger the.

challenge the better. It's like. >> go prove yourself. But I don't know why. he'll do it. But he might have to fight. Tom A. Like you said Dana's going to. make him fight Tom. >> What I mean how much money would they. need for uh uh DC to come out of. retirement to fight at the White House? Yeah. >> I cannot fight. They got 20 million for. you. >> I'm still not doing it. [ __ ] I can't. train. I can't train. I go, dude. I'm. doing CrossFit. I do live. I I was just. today practicing how I'm going to do. sumo uh deadlifts. I'm like, I'm doing.

sumo deadlifts. I'm like, that's I'm. just getting excited to go do my sumo. deadlifts. Jay, I can't fight cuz I. can't I can't I was I was sparring the. other day. I started I started a team, okay, of guys that I'm training, helping. career their careers. >> I was sparring. One of them punched me. in my rib with a straight right hand. Boom. Right here. Dude, it was the most. painful shot I taken. My rib come out. >> Right. My rib come out. >> I'm in pain. Sh. I can't get off my.

couch. I'm just like, uh, every time I. get off my couch, I'm rolling to my. knees. >> to then push up because I can't squeeze. my core. Right. Every time I squeeze my. cord hurts, man. I get I go I go take a. nap. I'm just sleeping, I guess. And I'm. because I'm sleeping rolling. I sleep. I. roll over the top of it, pop it back in. place. But I'm like, I couldn't do this. every day like I used to. >> I always had separated ribs or black. eyes, and I I just couldn't do that. anymore. It's too This This life is too. comfortable what I do now, >> right? >> You make good living. You don't need to.

go big punch, kick. >> I don't want to fight no more, man. Plus, like, come on. Go put some pads. on. Go tackle somebody. >> No, no, no. You know what I'm saying? You want to ask me? >> Two artificial heels, bone bone. I'm I'm. good. >> The pain is too great. I think that's. what people take for granted, like how. great the pain is that we endure to do. what we did, >> right? >> It it sucks. >> I mean, before I got my hips replaced, DC, I just thought the pain that I was. in was normal because I had dealt with. it for so long. >> Yeah. >> And you get to and you're like, "Okay, this is my new normal." And then the.

doctor says, "No, you don't have to live. like that.". >> How much better does it feel? >> A thousand. >> Really? >> I mean, there was no position that I. could get in that was comfortable. If I. lay down, it hurt. If I stood, if it. hurt, it walked, it hurt. Sitting hurt. Standing too long, it hurt. There was no. position in which my body didn't hurt. My hips didn't hurt. >> That's bad. I got I don't have that. Thank God I don't have that. >> Yeah, >> cuz that that [ __ ] seems so big. >> It is. What about What about Conor.

McGregor at the White House? >> Okay. [ __ ] man. It's over, bro. >> It's It's over for him. >> It's over, dog. There, man. Man, this. dude Conor McGregor be he is tripping. Conor McGregor tripping. >> He made too much money, huh? >> He made way too much. He went from. plumbing to making he sold that liquor. for what? 500 million. >> Yeah. >> It's too much, >> right? He got 100 million for fighting. Floyd. >> Got 100 million for fighting Floyd. Then. he was doing pay-per-views like nothing. And him and Kabib did two and a half. million pay-per-views.

>> These dudes, he made too much money. Connor says he wants to fight all the. time and everybody kind of they jump to. it, but it's like he wants to stay. relevant, right? >> He wants to stay in the news. He wants. to stay he wants the notoriety of being. Conor McGregor without having to be. right. >> Conor McGregor, right? >> And that kind of sucks because when he. was the man, I bet you tapped in. >> I bet you tapped into the UFC more than. >> because he could because he could sell a. fight. >> He could sell a fight. >> He could sell it. But him and Kabib was.

the best. >> Did you think he was just onedimensional. and that's why. >> he was good? He was very good. >> But when when they got him on the. ground, DC, he couldn't get up. >> They couldn't get him on the ground. >> Yeah, they did. >> Kabib got him on the ground. >> That Kabib was a different person, though. Like. >> him and Kabib really didn't like each. other. That's per, you know, sometimes. you like, oh, we just selling the fight. But it seemed that it it was add it was. a little more to it. Like he like Khabib. sincerely and genuinely did not like. Carson. >> He hates he won't say his name still.

today. He still does not say his name. >> because of what he said about his. religion and about dad. >> He still won't say his name. Last week. he did an interview in New York. >> He says this guy, he'll never say his. name. He hates him. Dude, they're in the. octagon and Connor goes, he whispers. after the third round after Kabib, it's. just business. Kabir goes, "No, it. ain't. No, it ain't. You don't mess with. them dudes, man. Them Russian dudes. there. And then when he like when he had. him the the ref the ref had to do a. little bit extra. DC you saw that DC he.

was. >> he was going to let him he wasn't going. to let him go. >> He was going to put him to sleep. Shannon he was holding him and he said I. kicked your ass. I kicked your ass and. he kind of was like then he jumped over. the fence. >> Yes. >> And try to beat his team. >> He thought he I was like whoa. But dude. he had him. He was not going to let him. go because he felt so his family got so. disrespected by this dude that he wanted. to end him. And and honestly, sometimes. you bite off more than you could chew. >> Yeah.

>> Cuz cuz Connor got beat bad that night. He did. He got beat bad. >> I mean, and the thing But here's the. thing that that shocked a lot of people. >> Connor made Kabib He really did make. Kabib the biggest a bigger star. Yeah. Like we talked about me and Jones, he. Khabib went from I think he had two or. three million followers on Instagram. >> The next morning 10 million. >> Wow. >> After that fight and all that happened. 10 million. >> Crazy. 7 million a night. That's a big. jump. >> You think Kabib would come out of.

retirement? >> Kabib told me on we did a thing a while. back where Kabib said they offered him. $40 million to fight. He said no. He. ain't coming back. If if they offered. him 40 mill and he hasn't come back yet, he ain't coming back. >> No. >> No. He in Dagistan. >> Well, they if they. >> I bet in Dagistan you can make a million. dollars and be good for the rest of your. life. >> Yeah. >> Right. In that place. >> Well, if they offered Khabib 40 million, what they offer John Jones to fight. Aspenol? >> I think they offer John said he wanted. 30 and I think they got the money. They.

got 30 for him. And he said no. They got 30 for him. And he said, "Hey, let me tell you something. I just told. you I'm barbecue meat. 30. >> All of a sudden, you don't hurt me. >> [ __ ] I might test positive after it's. over. [Laughter]. >> What is it about? What is it about. Dagistan that the guys that are they can. wrestle? Now look, I I've seen somebody. followed some of like those wrestler.

wrestlers. >> Yeah. >> They really I'm talking about those guys. that go to the Olympics. That's a whole. different level of wrestling. them do. H. >> how did they get so good? They just So. over there they put them in wrestling. They put them in in both styles. Then at. like five, six years old, they identify. like where a kid's going to be better. and that's all they do all the way up. through school. Kabib's Kabib and Islam. started doing sombo when they were super. young. >> together. Right. Right. With his dad. So. their whole life they did combat sombo. Combat Sama was actually like ghee tops.

uh punching. Yeah. >> Grappling like. >> they were essentially doing MMA as like. kids, >> right? >> And then. >> just keep getting better. I I think I. think I think for my son, >> right? >> Mhm. >> To. have the mentality that I have or had, it's impossible. His life's too. comfortable. >> Yeah. Okay. >> His life's too comfortable.

you and and your brother and your to. your children, they can't even make. themselves think like you did growing up. where you grew up and how you grew up, >> right? >> So, it's like. they they all live like that because. while Kabib I I want to see Kabib's son. and then the next Islam's son. >> then we could see if how it does over. there because for them it was the way to. live, >> right? >> And change all of their liv. >> everybody lives. Yeah.

>> So when my kids like playing football. >> and he's like I want to do this and I. want to do this. I go well you got to be. at every practice. You got to go with. your individual coach. >> Like you got to go on Sunday whenever. you go do all your speed and agility. You have to get up early in the morning. to lift weights. I go because while you. are living where you live and how you. live, there's a kid like me. >> that's doing the same thing but without. the fallback of what my dad did to make. sure that I'm okay when all this is.

done, >> right? >> So I don't know that we can h how how. does Christian McCaffrey develop the. mentality that his father had? Unless. his father came with a whole promote, you know, Ed, maybe he had a whole bunch. of money, >> but I don't know how does he develop. that mentality? >> I'm a firm believer when I look at the. Mannings. >> Yep. them. >> Argie Manning and and and his his and. Peyton and Eli, >> they just teach him. >> Yeah. >> I mean, it it's it's something special. for you to for your dad to have and. says, "No, I want to get it." See, I.

still have a healthy respect for. Bronnie. >> Yes. >> Because he still, you know, he the. likelihood of you having a historically. or a transcendent great parent and then. the child be equally as transcendent and. great, it's just not going to happen. is great. King Griffy King Griffy senior. was a good baseball player, but he. wasn't junior. >> No, he wasn't. >> Bobby Barnes was an unbelievable player. He wasn't Barry. >> Nope. >> Nope. >> And so to ask Kareem had son, Magic got. son. To ask their sons, their product to.

be just what your dad, it ain't. happening. >> So for the dad for for Ken Griffy Jr. and Barry, their dads were good. >> Yes. >> They they just weren't them. >> They weren't them. So the second one was. better. But to ask the next one to be. better than the one that's the greatest. >> Just imagine Barry Bond's son being. Barry Bonds or better. >> No, it's like it's like Vladimir. Guerrero. >> Yeah, >> he was really good. But his son now is. >> with the same name. >> Yes. >> With the same name better than his dad.

That's crazy. So for him to have another. one that does that will be very hard. But like so. >> where's like where's Pton's son? >> Where's Eli's son? He Pton said his son. went through his camp a couple weeks. ago. I saw that. >> Yes. >> But is he. >> It's gonna be It's gonna be It's gonna. be very I mean, come on. >> It's gonna be hard. >> Yes. Tom Tom has a son. >> Yep. >> But you But here's the thing. >> But is Yeah. Right. So just imagine Tom. Brady Tom Brady's son Benjamin.

>> being as good as Tom. >> God ain't going to bless you like that, bro. I'm sorry. Well, he ain't going to b he ain't going. to bless you like that. That's not. >> It's I don't think so, man. It's hard. >> Yes. >> But they can like like But even for. LeBron James Jr. >> Yes. >> LeBron James Jr. >> Yes. >> to be in the NBA. >> Mhm. >> It's nuts. And then to have another one. that's supposed to be even better than. the other one. >> Yes. But to to to expect him and I think.

the thing is. >> LeBron's done everything right. >> Yes. But to expect a child to be LeBron. or Kareem's son to be him or Magic son. to be him, come on, bro. That's not. that's not to happen. >> LeBron James Jr. If he can go in, if he. can stay in the league for 10 years, that to me would be astounding because. And he will. He will. >> Yes. >> But to be in there 10 years after what. your dad did with all that pressure, from the moment he picked up a. basketball, there was pressure on him. >> cuz the expectation you got to be cuz. everybody know who your dad is. My son.

would wrestle and I would see people, oh, he just I just my kid just beat DC's. son. I'm like, but it's not that DC. >> It's not. You didn't, right? I just beat. DC's boy. >> I had Kim Griffy Jr. on and when his son. Trey was coming up, he played baseball. And the people in the stand would say, "He ain't his dad." And his dad would. say, "Name five people who are." Who? [Laughter].

Oh, I like that. So, what did what they. what would they say then? >> They couldn't say anything. I mean I. mean guy would you know he was an MVP. He I mean he. >> he did everything. >> Yes. He's one of the greatest he he's. one of the greatest players. I mean the. sweetest swing ever. 600 home. Come on. >> He ain't going to be him. >> No. And it's and it's okay. But the kid. has to uh accept that that it's okay. And a lot of people you you were having. we were having a conversation about my. brother. I embraced it. See, I never. lived in the shadow. I embraced it.

Every number he had, I got the exact. same number. He was three in high. school, I was three in high school. He. was two in college, I was two in. college. He was 84, I was 84. Every car. that he had, I got. >> So, I never looked at like And when. people told me, I man, you're not going. to be like your brother. Like, watch. >> watch me. >> watch. >> But not many people have that. >> Yeah. Yeah. They they. >> Not many people have that dog in them. like that. Like there's there's a dog. about that mentality that most people. don't have. Yes. >> Especially kid Especially a kid that. wakes up and he's sleeping in a.

beautiful home. >> with everything he'd ever want in his. life. Like it's hard for that kid to go. >> My kid gets up in the morning at 6:30, >> three days a week and he lifts weights, >> right? >> My kid does wrestling practice at 2:00. in the afternoon. Then he goes to. football practice at 5:30 in the. afternoon. He does that four days a. week. Then on Sundays, he meets with a. with with his private coach to do. football training, right? where he does. speed, agility, right? He catches. passes. He goes through his coverages. and his reads, >> right?

>> For me, that's my son going, "Dad, I. want to try to do something great.". >> I said, "Pop, if it works, awesome. If. it doesn't, you gave yourself a chance. >> That's it. >> You took advantage of every opportunity. you had. Everything that we have. accured, you use to try to better. yourself, >> right? >> If it works, great. If it doesn't, you. never skipped out on the work, right? >> That's all I care about, >> right? >> And I'm fine with that. And maybe it. does, maybe it doesn't. But he's given.

himself a chance even though he doesn't. have to. >> Right. >> That's what I love. >> Good. Let me ask you, how did you and. Kabib become such great fans? >> That's my boy right there, man. He. walked into the gym. He walked into the. gym by himself. King Moal. uh brought him from New Jersey. Mhm. >> He wanted to come and train with all the. wrestlers. Barely spoke a lick of. English. >> Walked in the gym, stayed at uh Extended. State America right up the street from. from uh AKA. And he would walk back and.

forth by himself from the the the hotel. to the practice. And on his first day, I. was like, "Oh, a little Russian kid.". Cuz I spent a lot of time there when I. was wrestling. We started kind of. talking a little bit and it just it. grew. And then I just understand how. much of a. >> he's like a really good human being. He's a good person, real strong values, and he's he's the best. I think I think. he's the best fighter ever. >> Really? >> I do. Yeah, I do. I I saw a kid that. came in there with limited striking.

>> Mhm. >> He told you exactly what he was going to. do every single time and he did it. He. was beating Michael Johnson up one time. telling him, "Brother, you know I. deserve a title fight, right? >> You need to give up. >> Give up.". >> Like, >> yeah, >> that's how dominant. And he sat in the. pocket with Connor and knocked Connor. down. >> Knocked him down after Connor had boxed. Floyd Mayweather for nine rounds. He he. stood with him and knocked him down. >> Yeah, I think he's the best man. I think. he's. he just stands for something so much. bigger than just fighting. And I think.

he like I think he I think he uh. I think he he I think he obviously. elevates the people around him, which is. very important. >> But he also is like a he's like a. guiding light for a lot of people that. follow him. And he does things the right. way. >> Right. There's this viral clip going. around that he refuses to shake this. this lady's hand out of respect for his. wife. >> Yep. And for his uh his religion his. religion. >> And if you know his religion, that's. that's that's the way it is. >> That's the way it is.

>> Right. But not many men are willing to. do that, especially in that moment. >> Right. >> Right. Kate Kate uh Kate Scott. Kate. Kate Scott. >> She's she's a great analyst. >> Yes. But I think the reason it got so. odd was because that kid reacted the way. that he did. >> There was a YouTube kid that was up. there with him. >> and he kind of was like, "Oh my god.". Like speed. I show speed. >> Yeah. >> And the way he acted was like cuz he. shook everyone's hand. But then he just. >> politely said. >> and then I'm pretty sure he explained it. to her afterwards.

>> Yes. >> And then but again it's live. It's live. TV, right? Things happen. >> But that's respect to his wife. And then. obvious honestly respect to Kate. It's. actually a respectful gesture to the. person, right? You're refusing to shake. hands because he as a married man should. not shake the hand of another woman. >> Wow. What separate Russian fighters from. American fighters? >> I don't think that I don't think that I. I don't think that is much more to it. than just the the.

that that need to change their lives. >> Yeah. >> Right. Their need. I mean, even even in not not I'm not talking. homeless like I'm not talking like. transient people that are living on the. street, but even our upbringing, even. mine where I lived in uh small house. after small house when I was younger. Yeah. >> Then my parents did all they could to. move us into a big house to where they.

bought their first house for $10,000. It. wasn't a great house, but it was theirs. that's still better. >> than what they have. >> than what they have over there. >> They're like it's all concrete just. concrete stuff. >> So yeah, it's like I think it's just. that mentality of need to get better. that makes allows for those guys to to. kind of just elevate themselves a little. more because even my upbringing and I. thought that I had it tough. >> was better than what they have there and. you know what we people are willing to.

do to change their lives. >> for sure. >> Yeah. Um, you and Connor went back and. forth on social media, but you said it's. over for Connor. I mean, the money the. money that he made from Floyd, the money. that he's made off his alcohol, the. money that he that he's making now to go. back into I mean, you're worth $300. million to go in there and it's like, you know what? I want to get kicked in. my face, hit in my face, elbowed in my. face. Need. >> Yeah. There's no need there. Yeah. He. doesn't need that. He doesn't need this. anymore.

Marvin Haggler said, "It's hard to get. up in the morning when you're sleeping. on satin sheets." Right. Way back in the. day. >> Yes. >> There there are a few sayings in the. world that are untrue. Yeah. That was. right. >> Like that that you know that one where. it's like. >> to be the champion, you got to defend. the belt. That's [ __ ] Ric Flair. started that. >> To beat a man, you got to beat. >> Yeah. Ric Flair started that, man. That's. >> I'll be I'll beat the man that beat the. man and be just as happy. >> Give me one belt. The moment they put. that belt on you, you're the champion. But fighters have actually believed that.

>> Connor it's it's the the the and he's. one of the biggest superstars in the. world. He can't walk into any room. without everybody knowing who he is. So. the access he has, >> how's he going to look past all of that. to go in to a training camp to fight, >> right? >> Especially if he wants to do it right. >> Francis Enanu um he was in the UFC, he. left. Yeah, it seems to be there's some. speculation that he might be wanting to. come back. There was this talk about Francis.

fighting John. >> Yep. >> Would you like to see that fight? >> I I would have. I would have. >> Not now. >> I would now still. Back then I wanted to. because Francis in his last fight. against Sirill uh he his wrestling. looked better. >> But I do believe that if if he fought. Jon that's a more serviceable fight for. Jon because Jon can wrestle, man. >> Yes. And he probably would just take. Francis down. >> Yeah. You don't want to stay toeto toe. with him. >> No. And dude, do you remember when he. would elbow people in back in the day? Like.

>> he just I think Francis would have have. to knock him out. But Francis could. knock people out, man. I've never seen. anybody hit harder than Franc. >> Yeah, he got power. >> He's got the most power seen in my life. He be knocking dudes. Oh, he hit. Alistister over and his head. The back of his head touched between his. shoulders. He hit him with an uppercut. the back of his head touched between his. shoulders as he was falling down. >> I've never seen anything like it. >> But Press is boxed because okay, he uh.

Tyson Fury and it gave him some. confidence and then he end up fighting. an Anthony Joshua. He got knocked out, but he made some money. I mean, >> yep. He's the only one that's actually. done that and it worked out because he. was a heavyweight champ, >> right? >> And and Shannon, >> he looks like the heavyweight champ. >> Yeah. when he became the champion, I was. like, "Okay, look at him. >> now. You look like you're looking at the. baddest man on the planet.". >> Yes, absolutely. >> You right. You looking like this dude. Francen Ganu looks like he walk into any. place and you go, "Well, that's a dude. I'm not trying to ain't messing with. you.". >> And he had he had it. So when he moved.

over, it worked. He was the heavyweight. champ. Yeah. >> But [ __ ] he dropped Tyson Fury. Yeah. >> Remember he knocked him out. I thought. it was over. >> Yeah, >> man. You should I exploded out of my. chair. >> But then Anthony Joshua beat him bad. Right. And you saw when Joshua dropped. him, the difference in a boxer and a guy. that cuz Francis was like this, he. needed to grab him. He got flatlined. >> And the thing is is that boxers.

understand how to faint. >> Yep. >> And. >> when he gave him that faint, when he. gave him that faint, Francis went. >> boom. I was like, "Oh my god.". >> Yeah. And. boxer, a boxer throwing a punch in MMA. Look, I understand that, you know, they. both hit hard, but boxers, it's just. something about that punch and where. it's coming from. I mean, it's. >> Shannon, I went train one time in. Oakland when I first started boxing gym. >> They hit you with a jab and it's like, what the hell was that?

>> Because they know how to punch. >> Yeah. >> And they sit on everything. Yeah. Boom. >> Boom. It's not jab, jab, touch to try to. take you down. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I'm just mad in there getting my ass. whooped. I'm like, "Yo, I want I can. beat everybody up in here." I'll start. wrestling every one of you fools. They. like pissed off because the dudes just. putting it on you. They just putting it. on you cuz you there's nothing you could. do. >> Why do you fight Brock Brock Lesnar? >> The WWE got him. The WWE took him back. It was That was my golden goose, man. We.

had that moment in the ring. I pushed. him. He pushed me. WWE paid him back. They They were paying Brock like six, seven million a year, maybe 10, >> right? You telling me, Brock, you can go. fight DC and lose or you can come. >> Who say you going to lose? >> I'm beating Brock Lesnar, man. I was. beating Brock. >> That was a big dude, man. Safe coach. >> Don't matter, dog. Shay, I was beating. Brock Lesnar. >> It was one of the safest fights I could. have had. I'm telling you, dog. That's the truth. It's just the truth. I like Brock, too.

He's like, he's a great guy. But. >> I watch what Kane did to him. I watch. how he would react to getting punched, >> right? >> And I was going to punch him. He would. have to take me down, >> right, >> to win the fight. And I can wrestle. >> Yeah, but he's not a wrestler. I mean, he was a wrestler, but he was, but. >> but if he shoots on me, I'm I'mma make. it so hard for him to get that take down. that by the time he gets it. >> Yeah. >> He's exhausted. Now I'm up to my feet. Then you're done. That's why Kane, he. took Kane down. Kane got up, started. kneing him in his face. I saw Brock. recently, he still has that scar under.

his eye. Really? >> From when Kane kne him in the face. Yep. >> Still got that big scar on his eye. >> Damn. It's crazy. It's crazy. Is it true you. got a scholarship to LSU? >> I I got like offers back then, but I had. bad grades and I just was not going to. college to play football, >> right? >> It was hard to. >> It was hard for me in the school that I. was in to. >> First off, there's way too much pressure. on football down there in Louisiana. Bad. >> Yeah.

>> And we weren't very good. >> But I mean, I was the the all state MVP. defensively. I was pretty much missed. everything in football. >> because I was a good little linebacker, right? But I was small, right? And they. were talking about me playing cornerback. or or free safet safety. >> I was like, how I'm supposed to tra how. much chase Randy Moss? I mean, you know, so like I'm not smart, >> right? >> I didn't really know the difference. between strong safety is more like a. linebacker. >> Yes. Yeah. >> But I was think but I was thinking I'm. going to be chasing dudes like Randy.

Moss cuz he was graduating the same. year. I was like. >> there's no way. >> No, I'm good. Yeah. I was like, I'm g. just go wrestle, man. I'm good. I did. I. I got an offer to go play football. >> You was in Hershel Walker's Colonel uh. corner. Yes. >> MMA. >> Yes. >> Could Hershel made a career out of that. or he did what he was supposed to do. Have one fight and move it along. >> Shannon, I got to tell you, man. >> Is he Was he really the great? He was. the great He's one of the greatest. athletes, wasn't he? >> Yeah, he was. Yeah. Shannon, this man.

was so strong, but I don't think I've. ever seen anybody like He was very. stiff. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He had no. flexibility. >> Oh, he was even in football. >> Yeah. He's stiff. Yeah, >> bro. He was so stiff, >> but when he hit you Oh, and then he. would like move his feet. He would move. his feet, but they never left the. ground. They never left the ground, bro. Hersel would be walking towards you like. this. So when this when when this man. would hit you sometime he shock you. You.

know how you rub your feet. Yeah. Sometime H was shocking dudes. >> Hey. And then we're in the back. I swear. to God it was the most. >> Hershel Walker is a different. individual. >> Mhm. >> Hershel Walker has had some stuff in his. life where it's like his anger, >> but if you meet him, you you met him for. sure. >> Yeah, for sure. >> He is the nicest person. We were all broke back in the day. Hersha was staying at the. Intercontinental or what was the name of.

that hotel? Downtown San Jose. >> No, but it was it was called something. else before. It was a nice one. But. Hershel owned a chicken company. You. know, Hersel owns that chicken. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> One of the biggest ones in the country. >> Yes, he does. >> But because of that, they service that. that restaurant down there. So Hershel. got free rooms at this beautiful hotel. downtown San Jose. He would feed us all, but he wouldn't eat. He would eat one. time a day, bro. He would he would eat. soup and bread and some eggs. So, I'm.

like, "Yo, this is the nicest guy ever. Multi-millionaire, rich, nice football. hall of famer.". We got at the ring. or in the hallway to walk and, bro, something flipped on him. I said, "This. is this this dude is dark." I was like, "It's a dark son of a gun, bro." He. started talking to himself, talking. about, "I'm going kill this. motherfucker." They don't do talking. about killing this dude. >> Wow. >> He to get himself there, >> right? >> He went there.

>> I was like, yo, I've heard people like. talk to himself to hyped himself up. Hershel was on a whole another level. It. was the most intense thing I've ever. seen in my life. And he went out there. and he won. Wow. >> He was He was over 40. >> Yeah. >> He was over 40. Retired from football. for many, many years. Went in there, did. his thing, and won a US won a fight in. Strike Force, which at the time was the. second biggest organization of all time. But bro, to see him go to that place, Shannon. >> Yeah. >> You You'd be like, "Yo, this dude is. crazy." I look back at the other dudes. I was like, "Are y'all seeing this?

Everybody acting normal." Hers was. talking about killing mother. Hers about killing people. >> Did you ever think about doing WWE? >> So, I thought about it right after I was. wrestling, but then it's hard. People. talk about that stuff being fake. Hey, man. It's scripted. >> Yeah. But. it hurts. >> Yeah. Oh, those falls hurt. You fall. You got to throw your arms back. >> Yeah. >> So, every time it's like it's like. slapping against a uh the ring. >> Yeah. >> Or when you run the ropes,

>> those robes they burn you. Like it's. it's it's hard, man. And that's why you. see them all break down like that. >> Yeah. >> Like they're all like they're all like. messed up. Like their their knees don't. work. They're they're like football. players and us. Y'all got it hard. Football's hard, man. >> The the the wear and tear on the body is. >> is crazy. And so is MMA in wrestling. I'm I'm one of the lucky ones. I feel. like I got out pretty clean, >> right? Derrick Lewis. >> Yeah. Back beast, >> bro. He come in there to do one thing. You.

already know. He ain't trying to take. you down. He ain't tried to kick you. He. ain't tried to knee you. He ain't trying. to elbow you. >> Trying to knock you out. >> He tried to knock you out. >> The knockout kick. >> That's it. >> He got more knockouts than anybody in. the history of the UFC. He hits hard. I. fought him. He hits hard. When he hit. me, I was holding his leg up. >> Yeah. >> And he just kind of went like this and. it skimmed down my eye. Next day, I woke. up with a big old black eye. >> Wow. >> He kicked me. I had knots all in my my.

forearms. He He was But he knocks these. dudes out, man. He knows exactly. >> Hey yo, did you see him a couple weeks. ago? >> Mhm. >> Did you see his poor wife in there, man? Did you. >> Did you see her? He about to cry if he. didn't you see his wife. She was in. there so embarrassed and the camera pans. to her. >> Yeah. >> I'm in there interviewing this man. I'm. like I'm like this dude Derek about to. say some crazy stuff. >> Yeah. >> And he go I go what do you who you want. to fight next? Like what do you want. next? He looks over at his wife like.

going to be a lot of ground and pound. going. I was like boy. And she got stand. there and try to stay composed knowing. that Derek's out of his mind. >> But you were the first man to submitted. >> I did. Yeah. I couldn't wrestle. It was. why I fought him. They called me three. weeks before the fight to to fight him, right? And uh. >> you like, "Sure.". >> Yeah. >> Easy money. >> Yeah. I knew I knew he couldn't wrestle. So. >> I knew. >> his his uh his cardio. >> And if if I can extend him, he would get. tired, >> right? >> But yeah, just if you couldn't wrestle. like I was fighting you. >> Yeah. But you got to get I mean you got.

to get past those three rounds cuz you. let him get you in the first round. >> Yeah. He hit you and knock you out. But. I just shot on him right away. >> Right. >> Right. because he was so inexperienced. with his wrestling. >> that I like backed him up and just. grabbed his leg. >> Right. >> That's one thing I learned fighting the. heavier guys. >> Yeah. >> They don't balance well on their feet. Right. >> So, I would just kind of move him around. until they fell down. >> Wow. Learned something new. Who Who's. the hardest puncher? >> What's the hardest punch you've taken? Who Who hit you hard? >> Probably Dan Henderson. That little. dude. He was like he was made of.

concrete. >> Damn. >> Hendo. He hit so hard. He He hit me on. He was on his back. >> and he hit me and he uh knocked out one. of my bottom teeth. I had to go to like. an emergency dentist. >> Damn. >> On Labor Day on Memorial Day after he. hit me from the bottom. He hit hard. Even from in close, he would just. crazy. Obviously, there are things that you. can't do, but are there dirty things.

that guy, you know, you're not supposed. to eye gouge somebody and you're not. obviously you can't bite, you can't do. certain things, but there's certain. things that guys do that the ref can't. see. >> I always had a trick where when I would. get on top of them, I would always cover. their mouth. I would literally try to. smother him. >> Damn, DC. >> Yeah, I know. Nasty. >> Dirty. >> Josh Barnett. That's not dirty. is like. I'm just trying to like Josh Barnett. would like always like kind of if you. let him go behind you his hand was going.

like. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Them dudes they they they do. his life they trying his life or death. out there. Shannon his life out there. you like I saw Hey I fought Josh. Barnett. I was trying to take him down. He was elbowing me. Boom. Boom. Cut me. wide open here. First fight I ever had a. black eye. He needed me in the eye. >> Right. cutting my head open. When I was a kid, I was playing football. with the older kids. One dude closel. line me, broke my collarbone. Yeah, it was bad in the dark.

>> I I walked to my mama house cuz I'm. trying to be tough, right? I'm a young. kid. I can't cry. Soon as I saw my mom, I fall on the ground. They put me in a. cast, broken collarbone. >> I fought Josh Barnett. My mom passed in. 2022. When. I fought Josh Barnett, I had won my. first big world title, Strike Force. I was bloodied, man. My eye was open. Everything was they put stitches for the. first time. I walked into the hotel and.

uh I'm good taking pictures, everybody. Oh, champ. The moment I saw my mama, I. start crying like a baby, man. I felt. I'm in her lap like a seven-year-old kid. again. Please make me feel better. Right. That's how nasty he was in there, dude. He was elbowing me. He was. grabbing me. He was doing everything he. could to just like inflict pain on me. He does that. Jones does that. Certain. guys just no matter where you are, they're just trying to hurt you, >> right? >> And like that's uh Yeah. But you got to.

be so wellrounded to do this thing now. >> Yeah. >> If you aren't, you're screw. Look at. Ilia. >> He's a monster. >> He's a monster. He's like he's he's one. of the best fighters of all time and. he's only fought eight times in the UFC. >> Wow. >> He's he's amaz these guys are amazing. >> What does it feel like to knock someone. out? What does it feel like to get. knocked out? Because you I and I know. exactly what you're saying cuz I've been.

knocked out and I can't remember. anything. I don't remember driving to. the stadium. I don't remember what I had. to eat. I don't remember anything. I. just remember looking up at the. scoreboard and asking my teammate Rod. Smith. I was like put we call him putts. I say foots. How do we get the lead? >> Cuz I cuz I don't I don't I don't I. don't want to laugh. >> No, no, but I'm like how do we cuz when. we I I just remember like we were losing. before this happened and now it's the. fourth quarter and I'm like what happens. if we win this game? >> He said, "Boo, we go to the Super Bowl.".

I was like, "Yeah, yeah, we go to the. Super Bowl.". >> But it's a it's a funny feeling. >> to get knocked out because you really. don't remember anything. Hey, my coach. told me that is bad. I'm laughing. because my coach told me. Was that the. last time you asked? You probably asked. him again. >> No, no, that was I was like, >> "No, you probably asked him again.". >> I started I was like I started jumping. up and down the side like, "Yeah, we. >> cuz we over at 14 with like 3 minutes to. go and we got the ball." So, >> this this dude So, I get knocked out,

right? >> That was John when he kicked. >> when John kicked me and he hit me with. the followup shots, right? Only time I. knocked out. >> I'm crying, right? Yeah. >> I go to my corner. I ask my coach. I. said, "What happened?". >> He tells me. >> I break down crying, right? >> Yeah. >> Rogan interviews me. As we're walking. out the octagon, I look to him and I go, "Hey, what happened?". He tells me, I break down crying. He. told me I did that seven times. He had.

to keep explaining it to me. And then. every time he explained it, I would have. the exact same reaction. Like, it was. the first time I had heard that [ __ ]. man. That's bad. Yo, Jenn, that's bad. >> He said he told me seven times and then. I'm in the I'm in the ambulance because. they're trying to get me in the. ambulance. I'm I'm refusing. >> Right. >> Finally, I get in the ambulance and I. wake up and I was present like nothing. had happened. I was like, I lost. They're like, "Yeah, >> yeah, >> you lost." I was like, "God damn it." I.

swear to God I I woke up and I woke up. and and I'm like in realiz like I lost. >> Did Did you not because obviously So how. did how did he set the head kick up? >> It was it was it was beautiful. It was. beautiful, man. It was beautiful. He. kept body kicking me. That's what he did. in the first fight, too. And I kept. check. I kept blocking. I kept blocking. >> But then in the second round, I was. fighting good. First round, real good. Second round, real good. So now I'm. feeling good because I feel great. My.

cardio's great. Yeah. >> Third round. But the whole time he just. kick me in the body. Third time he tries. to kick me in the head. And the third. round is the first one of the first. attempts and I was like, "Nah.". >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Nah. But then he actually gave me one. that looked like it was going to the. body. >> And so I did this and you're supposed to. lean, right? You're supposed to kind of. lean. >> to kind of take some of the impact off. >> Well, when I lean, he was not going low. >> He was going high. >> Caught you. >> Boom. right on the side of the head. So.

then I started doing the chicken dance, right? Like you know when your legs. >> give Yeah. >> And this is the this is the this is. where and this is where this is why I. can't stand this dude because somebody. else that's not as good would have let. me off the hook because I was still. there and again that's me football neck. big neck you know short neck can take. most people just fall down from a head. kick like that. >> I was still there so I'm like doing this. thing running away from him. Yo, he. kicks my leg to spin me.

>> Yes, I remember. >> So he kicks my leg. >> Kick your leg out from. >> Yeah. And so I spin. Yeah. >> It's like that [ __ ] you put the kids. where they go surf. >> Then you don't know where you're at. >> When I did that, I fell and that was it. I could not. My body was gone, >> right? >> But like if I was on my feet, I might. have been able to grab him. I might have. been able to hold him. I might have. shot. I would have done something. But. because he's such a great finisher, he. kicks my leg out from under me. So then. I spin and when I spin, I'm like seeing.

all these lights and all of a sudden. your body starts falling. It was like a. kid trying to hit a piñata. It was. crazy, man. Then I fall on my stomach of. all times in my world to to fall on my. stomach. Like fall on your back to where. you could see him coming, maybe get my. feet up to try to block him, >> but instead I fell on my stomach. >> and he jumped on me and started started. finishing. And I I know this from. watching it, >> right? So So you watching So you watch. when you lost that fight, you watched it. over. >> Not for a long time. I didn't watch the.

fight. I uh But it's on the highlights. and stuff, >> right? >> The UFC don't shield us from the If you. lost, if you lost, you going to see yourself. getting beat at some point, >> right? >> That's why when him and Stipe fought, it. was the worst. The whole week, I'm just. out there. I was like, damn, did I ever. win a fight? I was just getting beat the. whole time, >> right? >> It was terrible. I mean that that I mean. you like you said I mean his toolbox the. way he can finish a fight with a elbow. he can submit you. >> he elbowed me bad.

>> and then that that back that spinning. >> that spinning back kick got. >> he coke steepe perfect. >> poor Steipe man. >> and and you and he and you he doesn't. telegraph it. >> well the box the heavyweights are boxing. or wrestling they're not doing all that. right. >> you could tell right away when he needs. steep steep was like what is this. >> yeah what. >> they're they're kneeing now normally A. guyy's trying to either take me out or. box with me, maybe a couple leg kicks. here and there. >> John was hitting him with all kinds of. stuff. >> John hit him with knees, elbows, spinning kicks.

>> When he hit him with that spinning kick, >> Steipe, you could tell Stipe looked like. a guy that hadn't fought for three and a. half years and was 42. >> He looked and he turned on you. I was. like, "Oh, John got him.". >> But he is very good at setting. everything up. That's why he didn't have. to cheat. He did not have to cheat. That's where my biggest issue is. Like, you don't need a cheat. You got all. that. >> Keep that. Like, use what you have. >> And he always get mad at me. He he going. to be on me now. If it is, oh, I live I.

live. The other day he say he live rent. free in my house in my my brain or. something like that. I'm like, man, shut. up. I care about you. >> Obviously, you were there when Anderson. Silva was that uh Rockhole or was that. uh uh what. >> Chunning? >> No. when he checked him when when. >> Oh, that was Chris Weidman. >> Weidman. >> Had you ever seen Have you ever seen. that before? >> I. >> cuz it happened again. Another fighter. got checked. >> Hey, Chris Weidman checked Anderson's.

broke his leg. >> Yeah. >> Then Chris Weidman kicked somebody. else's leg. >> Weidman kicked a guy named Uriah Hall. Broke his leg. So the same thing that. happened to Anderson, Chris did to. himself. I can't watch it. Did you watch. it? >> I watched it. Can you actually watch the. I can't. It looked like his his leg. >> Yeah. It like broke half. Yeah. >> You watched it. I can't watch it. Even. next to the Oct. >> But I I watched it. I I was watching it. live at the time. >> But all those replays I was like, how. did it look? >> Cuz cuz when you see it, you're like,

>> damn, that look and then you like you. try to, you know, you know, you try to. put, you know, try to balance yourself. and you just like damn. >> looked like his leg broke. >> Yes, >> dude. I had to ask Rogan in the attic. I'm like I'm like, did it break? Did it. break? Did it break? They're like, "Oh, it broke." They was like, "Do not watch. it." I was going to throw up. >> I mean, cuz you guys know how to how to. check because it's called, you know, you. check you like. >> you check the kick. Yeah. You put you. either lean into it or you pick your uh. you pick your your your knee up, >> right?

>> And what they were doing were kicking on. the inside. That's why when you kick on. the inside, they just turn their knee. in. And that if you kick too hard, man, you break your leg. >> That's why I don't kick too much. Hey, that's why I was out there boxing. just like everybody else. >> What's the worst injury you sustained in. a fight? >> Um, in a fight. just more damage like facial stuff like. black eye, cut face. I never got hurt. really bad in fights, but in training,

ribs, torn ACL, uh torn ACL, ribs. I I tore some sort of. a this this ligament in my shin one time. kicking. >> Uh broke broken hand. Like I I couldn't. I couldn't punch. I didn't know how to. punch. Like remember they used to have. this idea that Floyd had like trail. hands? >> Yes. >> That was me. Like I broke my hand five. times when I started fighting. >> Wow. Every time I would land right, I. would I would break my hand. So then I. have a doctor call him. He did a great.

job with my uh with this and it never. broke again. He put a plate with like. eight screws because it just kept. breaking. But when knocking someone out, you don't feel nothing. You literally. don't feel anything if you knock them. out with a punch. >> Yeah. >> It's like sometimes you feel and it's. like that loud impact. >> Yeah. When you land the right way, sometimes it's like you don't even punch. them. It's like you go right through. them, >> but you know it. >> Well, they fall. They fall. When I hit.

Stipe with that one that put him down to. become the double champ, >> I had just I had thrown that punch so. many times. >> and it just so happened to hit him and. he went down. I could I I didn't even. feel nothing. >> Yeah. Like when Usman caught uh the dude. >> George Naz. >> Yeah. Jose Maz. Yeah. when he caught him. with. >> his his chin went all the way. >> I was like, "Oh my goodness.". >> Model was mad at me one time because I. they should I was on I was on NFL live.

and I said, "Uh, when the mug when you. when you. >> you called him?". >> Yeah, I put him in put him in the. concussion protocol. He got to go in the. tent because his chin went all the way. back there. >> Yeah. >> He went down bad. That was Kamaru. punched through him and he just. crumbled. >> Yeah, >> it was nasty. Camaro looked good coming back. Let me. ask you this. When you saw Anderson. Silva, he could box box a little bit, but he fought Jake Paul. >> See, that's I have a problem with all. that. I don't know how y'all I don't. know how you guys feel about the the.

Jake Paul Anderson. The Jake Paul. >> I was see boxers. >> boxers that's his age. >> Yes, Mike. >> I don't think that's asking too much. >> No, Mike Tyson. >> Yeah, Mike Tyson's. >> He beat up on Mike. Mike's 60, man. Mike. did make like 27 mill so I get it. Yeah. >> 60 years old. >> I want Jake Paul to fight guys that. >> he says he wants to fight Canelo. >> Canelo fights 154 or 160. >> That's one of his best weights. He'll. fight heavier cur. He fought he fought.

the guy at uh 175. >> Yeah. And got beat. Yeah. But like it's. like. >> fight Jake weighs 200 210 215. >> Yeah. But I mean so that means he'd be a. heavyweight. >> Yeah. Yeah, he's like a heavyweight. >> now. And he talking about he he says he. wants to fight Anthony Joshua. >> that he's if he fights Anthony Joshua. all everybody's wish and dream of him. getting finished will come to fruition. >> But I I think the thing is is that. >> he's better now. >> Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You No, he takes it serious. You can you can.

appre you can appreciate that. You can. tell that he spends time in the gym. You. tell that he has serious coaches and. he's taking this craft serious. He ain't. just getting in there and people like, "Oh, he's just. >> he's a YouTuber." No, he ain't. He's a. boxer. >> No, no, no, no, no, no. >> So Jake Paul's a millionaire. >> Yeah. >> Jake Paul's not training at the local. YMCA. No, >> he's got real coaches on staff. He got. real coach. >> He's got high level coaches and he lives. to box now. >> Yes. >> He's been boxing seriously now. So, he. should be able to compete. >> Yes. >> He's a boxer. He's not He's not that.

same kid. That's why I keep telling. those MMA guys, every time they tell me, "I got a chance to fight uh Jake Paul.". I'm like, "Man, don't do it." Because. >> he he boxed. That's what he does. He's a. boxer. You don't know how to box. Like. my friend Ben Astrin. >> Yeah. >> Ben went fought him. Ben should have. never fought him. >> Yeah. No. >> Cuz he was going to get Ben never could. wrestle. He could never box. >> No. >> He is a wrestler. Tyron Woodley. I was. so sad when Tyron Woodley kept losing to. him. I love T Wood man. And I was like T. Wood like. >> Well, you don't see the butt that look.

You don't see them punches, bro. You not. That's not what you. >> That's not what we do. I can't box these. guys. No. He tried to Jake Paul tried to. uh mess with me for a while until I went. up to him in Orlando. I said, "I don't. play like these kids." I said, "Stop. playing with me." His bodyguard. I said, "I'm going to slap you, too." I said, "I. don't play like that, man. Don't leave. me alone." I swear to God, I was at the. commentary desk. >> Yeah. >> I'm sitting there. He in the back making. faces at me. I took my handset off. I.

put it down. I got up, walked right to. where he was in the stands. I point. right in his face. I said, "Man, I don't. play. Leave me alone." I said, "I'm not. the children that you messing around. with. I'm not going to play with you. Leave me alone." His bodyguard, "I ain't. going to do nothing." I said, "I'm going. to slap the [ __ ] out of you, too." Both. of y'all can get it. [ __ ] out. The. security act security UFC security can't. get me. Yeah, >> cuz you know, man, come on. We growing. up, man. We don't like I'm not playing. >> Everybody don't play like that. >> No, man. Leave me alone. Unless you. really want to fight. Jon Jones, I. respect cuz he fights me,

>> right? >> But Leave me alone. Don't I'm not. playing those childish games, >> right? >> Yeah. Leave me alone. Do you think you see the guys in MMA go. to fight, go to box. >> for the money? >> For the money. >> They do it for the money. They Look, man. >> Can you blame them though? >> No. No. No. There's only a select few. people that make the big money in the. UFC. >> Correct. >> It's the God honest truth. I mean, >> champions make money. >> Yes. >> Lorenzo Fertito was the best. When. Lorenzo Fertito was there, he would do. these discretionary bonuses.

>> Yeah. >> Where they would just give you money. He. had an idea of what he wanted the. champion to make and he would make sure. he got it right. >> So when I fought Jon Jones, my contract. was $85,000. >> I lost the first time. >> On Monday, Dana called me and goes, "You. did a great job. We're going to send you. a check for a million dollars." What? >> Swear to God. >> 85. And then you got. >> He gave me a million dollars. They gave. me a million dollars. A check from first. time ever made that obviously as a. wrestler. It was the first time I'd ever. made seven figures. They called me and. said, "You did a great job. Here you.

go." Then I fought again a few months. later and I had got a new contract, right? And it might have been 300,000. and then we sold a few hundred,000. pay-per-views and. they called me and said, "Hey, we're. going to give you x amount of dollars to. get you back to a million dollars.". >> Wow. >> They would do that, man. They were like, because that's what people don't. understand. Like I know they talk, well. this guy these guys are underpaid, but. it's like when you become a champion and.

then you're benefiting the business, >> right? >> They they take care of you. >> Yeah. >> And but even even the lowest boxers make. are so low, bro. >> Yeah. >> Like the low. >> that makes that make it seem like. everybody making Floyd Mayweather money. And they're not. >> They are not all making that money, bro. They're making thousands, >> right? I mean, they make good look. They. like But like you said, >> but the good guys will make good money. Yeah. What does a guy make that? So. >> Tank and all them dudes are getting paid. right now. They're in the millions. >> Yeah. >> But they're they're the equivalent of.

the Iliotas, >> right? >> And the Israel Adosas. They're they're. those guys, >> right? >> But as you go down. >> as you go down the card and you go down. the pay scale. >> Yeah. >> I bet it's all pretty equivalent or very. equal. >> So yeah, people talk like all boxers. make money. They don't. You work for the company now and in the. commentary, >> but how is it negotiating with Dana as a. fighter. >> or do you did you negotiate managers?

You had managers. >> I have managers, but I was always I was. always really good about that. >> I would stand on what I believed, you. know. One time I got he he was he was. like, "That didn't happen." I was like, "But it did, boss." I was like, "Of. course it did, boss." I said, "Uh, you. you we were negotiating my contract when. I first came over and I wanted like a. certain amount of money." Didn't want to. do it. Dana was like kind of throwing a. fit. Lorenzo goes, "It's fine. We'll. figure it out." And by the time I got to. the airport, it was figured out.

>> Right. >> Right. And he was like, "That didn't. happen." I was like, "It did." I was. like, "It's not a big deal because I. understand you have to protect your. business, right? >> And I have to protect myself as a. business because I have a small window. to happen." But then when I was. retiring, right, Hunter Campbell, who. now does a lot of the stuff with the. guys, he calls my manager and he goes, "So guys, what do you think? Uh, same as. he made as champ plus pay-per-view.". Like, "Yeah, even though I wasn't a. champ, they still gave me the same pay I. made as a champion. >> and the pay-per-view.".

So, it's like I I have nothing negative. to say because I've had all great. experience. >> You had great experience with it. >> The worst experience I had was that, >> right, >> when he said, "I don't want to give you. that." And I was like, "Well, okay, then. I'll just fight and then I won't have a. contract, >> right? >> And then we can negotiate after that.". And they're like, "Uh-uh. We ain't doing. that. We ain't we ain't going to let you. get to Francis, >> right? >> We ain't letting you get to undefeated, >> right? >> Heavyweight or light heavyweight with no. contract where other people can start. going, "Hey, we want you.". >> Right. >> Right. So then eventually I just resign.

with the company. >> If Dana were to ever stepped down, would. you run the UFC? >> That would be a dream job for anybody. But of course, I would love to do. something if if they ever if they ever. trusted me with that, I would do the. best job I ever could do because it's. one of the greatest organizations in the. world. It's one of the biggest sports. organizations in the world. Yep. >> And they've done such a great job of. building it that. >> the job itself is just don't don't [ __ ]. it up. >> Don't mess it up. >> Don't mess it up.

>> Right. >> Cuz Dana does what he does is he's so. passionate about it. >> Yeah, he is. >> That I can't imagine the UFC without. him. But if not, >> but D stand on business now. >> He stand on business. >> You could be his best friend. He going. to get you. He going to put He going to. walk you out the door and say, "Hey, man. Give me a little Give me another. little get that a little bit. I'm. running out. You can give me a little. small pour right there." Yeah. Hit me. up. Yeah, that's good. Let me get that. That's pretty good, man. >> Oh, it's great. >> I'm taking that bottle. >> You can take it? >> That's coming with me. >> No, but we we'll get your address. We'll. send you send them to your dad.

>> My passed away, but. >> Oh, my bad. I'm sorry to hear that. >> It's okay. But we make sure we make sure. you take care of. >> Yeah, you take I'm then I will drink it. in his honor. I'mma do exactly like him. My pops show home. Yeah. >> My pops had them hard days, man. My pops. was working hard. >> Well, if you Louisiana, he grew up hard. >> Grew hard and working outside. My dad. used to show up, >> sit in that truck for two hours. >> because he knew hard at work got to come. deal with us. >> Yeah, it was. >> Yeah. He probably had to have couple of.

drinks to come in the house. >> Yes, he did. Yes, he did. Joe Rogan. Now, I didn't know a whole lot about Joe. Rogan. I just knew him as the guy that. Fear Factor. So, I didn't know that. >> he became Joe Rogan. >> Yeah. Cuz that's I mean cuz I love Fear. Factor and then they just got too they. just got too ridiculous with it. Me, I. like I can't do this no more. Um it I. mean it was really good. The first. couple of seasons was really really. good. And to see what he's turned into. as a podcaster, but in the MMA in UFC, he's your Howard Coale.

>> Yes, he is. He's he's he's very good. He's I mean he is very very good. >> I've never met a person that actually. remembers more than Rogan. We we go to. dinner after the fights. >> Yeah. >> And uh he'll be talking about events at. UFC 15 and I'm like UFC 15. Was that in. 2004? >> Bro, we at we at 300 now. You talking. about 15? >> Yeah. He's like I'm telling you like. this but his memory to recall all these. things and I've never seen anything like.

it. >> Right. But yeah, and and and Shannon, it. says something when you do a job just. for the love of doing the job when you. don't have to do it, >> right? >> Joe doesn't have to do UFC. >> No, he don't. >> With the Spotify thing that he has going. on and everything. >> And Dana said that when he first started. doing it, he did it for free. >> Yeah. He love. >> He called He called the fight for free. like and you know then they worked it. out something later but to just because. he loved the sport so much. >> and and you know he he fights and. obviously you know he you know he works.

at it and uh uh but he does an. unbelievable job. >> Yeah, he's tremendous man. I I think he. does a great job of calling the fights. and. I think that he. >> and you could tell his passion for it. >> Yes. >> And everything. I mean you guys do so. you guys do like I mean hours and hours. of TV a week. Mhm. >> You got to love this, too, or you can't. do it. Yeah. And you can feel it. I can. see it in you, too. >> I've watched you from afar. >> Yeah. >> And I've admired how well you've done. and how you've really broke, you've.

really broke through the glass ceiling. >> because there was. >> there was an idea of who you were. supposed to be at Fox. >> Yeah. >> And then eventually you said, "This idea. is not it doesn't work for me.". >> Right. >> And you became bigger than that idea. And now it's like so I'm so happy. I. don't really know you well enough to say. I'm proud of you, but I'm happy for what. you've done and what you've accomplished. because you deserve it, man. Hard work. deserves to get uh credit for it. And. >> I appreciate that. >> Yeah. >> Let me ask you this. What have you most. learned about money? Cuz growing up, how.

you grew up? >> Um you know, living off 1,500 bucks a. month and you got a $1,200 rent and then. basically I got to eat for uh the next. 29 days I got to live off 150 bucks. Now. that you have you make decent money. >> Yep. What have you learned about it? >> Money's hard to keep. Money is very hard. to keep. That's what people don't. understand. Money's hard to keep. You. pay a lot. You pay a lot of taxes. You. pay a lot of other things. It just gives. you an opportunity. I feel like money. gives you the ability. One, you're going. to be exactly who you ever wanted to be.

>> Yes. >> So, if a person's ugly because they have. money, they always were ugly. They just. didn't have the ability to be ugly. >> Um, you're gonna be exactly who you want. to be and you have access to more things. that you have. And I also learned that. because you have the ability to pay for. stuff, most things are free. >> Yes. >> Isn't that the craziest thing? >> That's the crazy thing. People have the. most money, they get the most stuff for. free. >> When you were living off that 1,500, you. want to go buy, you want something, you. got to pay for it. But when you have the. money that you have and you can pay for.

it, everybody's like, "Could you please. just take this and I just want to see. you have it? Hold it. Shannon, could you. just hold it?". >> Right. >> And you're like, "Okay.". >> And most times you're like, "I'd rather. pay for it instead of hold it for you.". Like it's like it's just it's just that. but also just that it gives you a free. it's it's it's freedom. It really is. just freedom. Like. >> it's it's the freedom to to do things. and take care of the people that you. love more than anything. I bought my mom. a house. >> Wow. >> That was one of my greatest. accomplishments. >> Yes. >> To have her.

>> get a big house. Right. And then my mom. was a house cleaner whenever I was. growing up. So she would take us to. these people's houses. >> and while she worked uh the people were. beautiful. One family I still remember. to this day called the Low family in. Louisiana, Lafayette. >> She'd go Monday and Wednesday there. They gave us a car. They gave us like a. brand new car. Just this wonderful. family of people. I had I made sure she. had house cleaners when she was older. >> Wow. >> So instead of going to clean people's. houses like those are the things that.

I'm so proud of in my life, in my career. >> that you were able to do for your mom. >> to do for your mom. I mean, you know. that you do. >> Absolutely. >> It's like there are people in your life. that mean more than anything and that's. uh you take care of them. >> Finding a mate. >> obviously wrestling, you know, ain't it. like they coming to L like they beat and. down your door say, "Oh yeah, I want I I. want to wrestle cuz it's not like you. know, you're not on television. It's. it's a hard job. It's a grimy job. Uh. you're moody. Some days are better than.

others." When you found a wife, how did. you know? >> I've had multiple. Oh, so yeah, you. can't you can't really I'm not the best. in love. >> You know what I and and and and I tell. someone was telling me this the other. day. They said, "Shannon, the best and. worst decision." When you made the best. decision, did you know it was the best. decision at the time? No. >> No. >> When you made the worst decision, did. you know it was the worst decision at. the time? No. >> No. You just live with the decisions you. make. That's all you can really do. But.

you uh. part of being great is being selfish. >> You got to be. >> And when you're so selfish, it's hard. for relationships to work. >> Absolutely. >> And I think that is like probably the. thing that athletes need to worry about. the most because. >> got to find somebody that understands. it. >> Yes. And not many people do. >> They don't. >> It's really hard. >> Everybody say they can be, oh, I. understand. Everybody can be second. until they actually have to be second. >> until also until everybody can be second. when they don't have.

The moment there's a comfortability to. life, >> it's like, wait a minute, everything. that we hoped would happen has now. happened. >> Now worry about, but it's not done yet. The job's never done. >> No. I feel like for high thinkers like. you and myself. to just retire, could you imagine that as life? >> You die. Some a part of you would die. >> Yes. >> And so for me it's like I need to be. chasing career. I need to be.

>> I got to work. >> I'm a worker. >> Got to work. It's what I was put on this. earth to do. >> But that can be seen as selfish. >> It is. >> Yeah. >> And but that's the. that's the only way you can become. great. It's the only way. >> there there. And and and greatness is. not a sometime thing. >> It's an all the time thing. >> It's an all the time thing. You don't. get to be great just when you want to be. great in front of people. >> You got to be willing to do that work. behind closed doors. >> Yeah. But you don't never know anything.

>> Your biological father was shot and. killed by his second wife's. >> Yep. Yep. >> father in self-defense. >> Dude, >> you remember that? Oh, >> yeah. I remember. I remember uh. watching Thanksgiving Day of 1986. We're at my aunt's house, Marjorie. >> Mhm. >> We're all sitting down. We ate. We're. all watching The Color Purple. And uh my. mom getting a call and she goes crazy.

It was hysterical. I was a seven-year-old kid. I had no. idea what was going on. my uh then they told her your dad's just. been killed. Your you know Joseph has just been. killed. Your ex has been killed. >> She goes crazy. >> She has to sit down now and tell me that. my older brother is 12 years older than. me. Imagine a 19year-old kid learning. that his father's been killed. >> I'm at seven just.

crying because I don't have the greatest. memories. I don't have the I don't have. the memories of my dad. >> like the night like your brother does. >> Like my brother does. But I also don't. have like Shannon, I can retain one real. vivid memory of my father. >> Okay? >> And that was we were at a truck stop. because he drove trucks. That's it. >> That's the only real vivid memory I have. of my father. >> But. my dad Percy has had already moved into. my life when I was three. Right. >> So I'm four years into that relationship.

with my mother. >> Right. >> And it was just sad, man. I remember. going to that funeral and. I see my dad in that casket. He's got. two families, right? Because while. my mom is not with him anymore, they. have kids. >> Her reaction told me that she still. loved your dad. >> I don't think they ever fall out of. love. It's like something that they. don't really let go of, especially that. first one. Mhm. >> Um, but my mom's sitting there with my.

dad and let me tell you, you I I knew my. mom still loved my dad. One time, I. don't know if my dad I don't quite. understand if my dad was cheating. I. don't know what it was, Shannon, but my. mom took the car at a four-way stop. The. other woman was driving the other car. She hit her. What? She hit her. My mom. was an angel. You better hold You. better. My mom was an angel. Your mama. play. >> was an agent. She play. >> she play buba cars in real cars though. >> Cop said why'd you hit her? She goes.

that's my car too. >> This my car. That's my car. I want a. record. I can record. I said oh my god. She said but it was a little red light. It was a bump. >> Yeah. >> But it wasn't like a hard hit but she. like she hit her. >> But yes. But yes. So yes. She must have. still loved my dad. But yeah it was it. was it was awful. You mentioned that. >> your stepfather intervene came in your. life at a very young age. >> Yes. >> What did you learn from him? >> Everything.

>> Everything. Percy Benis was man he was the best. He. was the best. He uh. he worked so hard. He made decisions him. and my mother that made me appreciate. them more than I I don't know if I ever. could appreciate anyone in my life. When. we were like. seven, eight years old at that time when. my dad got passed, they uh they decided. not to take government assistance. anymore. We want to make it on our own.

We were struggling, but they did. They. took no help. They just made it on their. own. Then they bought their first house. together. And then I watched that man. get up in the morning and he would go. and work for the city of Lafayette. It. was hot, man. It was 95, 100°, 100. degree humidity. You know what. Louisiana's like? >> Mhm. >> He would he would take the lime and make. the baseball fields and he would cut the. fields and the grass. >> and he would come home at 5:30, eat real. quick.

>> And he would get a a bath cuz we didn't. have a shower, >> jump in his truck and go to a pizza. parlor and wash dishes to make an extra. 60 bucks every time he did that. And he. did that constantly. And then when he. when I got old enough, I realized more. what he was doing. He when the days that. he wasn't going back to uh there, he was. going to the cemetery and he was cutting. it and he was weed eating next to the. grapes to make more money. So when I got. old enough, he started taking me with. him and he's like, "You get $35 a.

month." So every time you do this, I. guess I made eight or $10, right? Because it would take us a little bit of. time. I learned to work. He taught me to. work. And I think by him teaching me to. work, um it is. defined my life. It's defined my life. I. I don't. I was the captain of the Olympic. wrestling team. >> and it's because I worked hard. They saw. me. They saw me and said, "I want this.

guy to lead our team.". >> Is that the type of father you are? You. try to be what Percy want to do to your. own kids. >> That's what I try to be for my kids. I. try to be present and show them I'm. working, man. I'm making a life for you. guys that can be and I hope that you see. and appreciate what I'm doing, >> right? >> Because while. I don't see the struggle, they don't see. the struggle that I saw, they do see. that their dad is willing to just. >> I took my daughters to a photo shoot I.

did for Monster Energy the other day. >> and they were like, "Dad, you work. hard." I was like, I wanted to give you. just kind of see what what dad does when. he gets up at 5:00 a.m. and he's back. home by 6:00 to make sure you guys have. dinner. >> Right. >> Right. It's like those types of things, they they mean the world to me. My dad. was the best. >> You lost your a daughter. >> I did, man. >> To 18 wheeler accident. >> Yeah, that was that was the worst. That. was the worst. I've had a lot of things.

happen in my life that that. um I try not to let define me. Like I. try like I try not to let like certain. things define me like the bad. >> Mhm. >> But yeah, that was the worst. I uh I was. 23 years old. I had a daughter named. Kayan Emory. >> Mhm. >> And uh. we were in college or just finishing. college. So. her mom was from Colleen, Texas. >> Okay.

>> And they were driving home to see her. parents and uh but her car didn't have. air conditioning. >> Mhm. >> And she was like, "I'm going to put my. kid in the car with my friend.". >> Mhm. >> Because they have a newer car, >> right? >> Yeah. And it got rear ended by. 18-wheeler. That was the worst, man. >> If she was with her mom, she would have been fine. But. we make these decisions at times that we. think are the right decision. And. >> it has killed her mom's life.

>> I was You know what, DC? I was about to. ask you. I bet she beat herself up. >> She I should have I should have just. rolled the window down. She should have. been with me. >> Yep. It her mom's life is. >> It hadn't been the same, has it? >> No. That girl, that girl was on a track. team at Oklahoma State where I went to. school and she had such a big future and. now it's like she's at home taking care. of her mother. That that losing that. kid, losing our kid, like it killed her. I was able to.

I was able to spin it and say that every. time I wrestle, every time I fight, I. have an angel sitting on the cage to. watch over me. >> Her mom was never able to do that. It's. sad, man. Yeah, >> that was the worst thing that's ever. happened to my. >> Because as parents, we expect our kids. to bury us. >> Yes. >> We don't expect to bury a child. >> Not that young. >> Not that young, man. She's three and a. half months old. >> So like to put her in a casket. >> Yeah. That [ __ ] sucks. Yeah. I even.

think just thinking about it like it. sucks. Has it changed the relationship. that you had with subsequent quid kids. that you hold them tighter that you like. you realize how just how fragile life is. that tomorrow is not promised even 3. hours from right now isn't promised? >> No, I know. Yeah, it's it's uh it is. it's bad to the point that Shannon at. times you got to like you have to I have. to like.

I have to like consciously try not to be. as much of a like a helicopter parent. >> Mhm. >> I'm trying to like because I know how. important it is for him to experience. things. But it is scary like my my son. is getting older now. Like. >> I just started I let him ride his bike. to the barber shop now to get a haircut. That was something I could have never. done. >> Like never. >> You talking about a bicycle or motor. bike or motorcycle? >> Like one of those electric.

>> electric bike. Okay. Electric. Okay. Okay. >> So I let him but he but I always but I I. make him put his location on the moment. he leaves the house. Location on. >> So I'm trying, dude. But yeah, it's. hard. It it really has uh it really has. changed me in terms of parenting. >> You try. You try. It's important. Like. >> I did a lot growing up. I had a lot of. freedom. >> and it it it. >> it it gave me a little bit of like. street smarts and ability to adjust and. >> make my way around life.

>> You I mean pro people probably wouldn't. know this about you, but you've had a I. mean you've had a lot of death in your. family. Your grandmother, your cousin, you lost a child at a very young age. People. ask me because they know how close I am. with my grandmother. They will say, "Shannon, how did you get over?". >> Yeah. >> I say, "You never get over it." No, >> you just get better at dealing with it. >> Yeah. >> How have you been able to get better at. dealing with. >> loss? Uh well, at 20 when you lose a kid.

at that age, right, like you feel like. nothing ever is going to feel worse. But I've I've done I've managed to. I've managed to learn how to take those. things and try to make them push me. forward. Okay. So, >> cuz my daughter like I had never made a. United States team. >> after my daughter passed I made six in a. row. >> Wow. >> Swear to God. The my daughter passed in.

June or in May of uh. >> You had a bigger purpose. >> May of 20. Yes. >> That you didn't know. >> Yes. And from I by by all this I. wrestled in the world championships for. the first time. >> then the Olympic Games and all the way. through. >> My mom. when she passed uh a couple years ago. obviously I don't do anything. competitive anymore. >> but in terms of my media career has just. gotten bigger. Yeah. Because I work. harder now because I know that even. though I don't have to provide for her. in the way that I did before.

>> I still need to work. >> because she was part of that work. >> Yes. I want to do more TV because she. watched everything, right? So even. though she's not there watching now, like I know she watched it all. So I try. to uh. >> I try to spin it. That's the only way. cuz otherwise it cripples you. >> It does. >> It really does [ __ ] you. Like you and. like I've heard stories about you and. your grandmother and it's like and how. special a lady she was to you. >> Y. >> but yeah, you don't you don't ever get. over losing somebody you love that much. >> You can't.

this cutting weight thing. You said that. in this Thanksgiving. you weighed 257. >> Yeah. >> And basically 4550 days you were down to. 204. >> Yep. >> Obviously that's very taxing on the. body. >> Yes, it is. >> Very taxing to cut that kind of water. weight cuz that's not a that's not all. just you know good weight. >> Yeah. >> And you went to renal failure at one. time, right? >> I did at the Olympic Games. Yeah. But I. wasn't that big at the time. I was just.

in wrestling. I didn't have the access. to the I didn't have the access or the. resources. >> Mhm. >> I couldn't have done that without my. chef, >> right? >> I had like Tyler Minton. >> Mhm. >> uh was working for me at the time. >> He uh. every meal, every meal, every drink, he. would feed me, then he would write it. down. >> He would feed me, then he would write it. down. I got to drink a kombucha every. day. That was it. outside of water, that's all I had,

>> right? >> And some sort of uh like electrolytes. >> stuff to make sure I wasn't cramping. >> when I went to the uh the cage to train. >> But outside of like that, I had water. and eat every meal. >> Mhm. >> Here you go. And at the right times when. I was wrestling, I would I would eat until Wednesday and. then I just would not eat until I. weighed in on Friday or Saturday. I. would go three days without anything. Rob DeWalis really still does that. the. champ at 135.

>> He just will not eat. >> I don't I don't You don't have to do it. that way anymore. >> You don't. He's got money. But yeah, I. would uh. >> my my kidneys quit on me at the Olympic. Games. >> Mhm. >> End up in the hospital. I wasn't a. diamond. >> because they don't let you take. diuretics, does it? >> Can't take diuretics. Can't take IVs. Can't do nothing. If I could have took. an IV after weigh-ins, I'd have been. fine. Right. >> Right. It was right before the Olympic. Games that they did away with IVs. I. didn't want to cheat.

>> I didn't want to cheat my body. Dude, there it was. That was a. >> What's What's the most weight you've had. to cut? >> So, by by design, if I was fighting on. if I was fighting on Saturday. >> Mhm. >> when I showed up to Vegas on Tuesday, I. probably was like 220. if it was good. But I remember one time I. in New York against Rumble in Buffalo, I.

was like 231 on Sunday. before the fight on Saturday the next. >> what? >> 231. Yeah. >> And you got to get down to 2 205. >> Yeah. But I was like I was heavy. So I'd. go run, lose like 5 lbs. You lose a lot. of weight, Shannon. >> Yeah. >> And you drink a lot of water, >> right? >> Those these nutritionists are so good at. manipulating weight now. >> Yes. You have no idea. So like. >> if I'm like 217, 218, 220, like 220. >> Oh, you're a sweet spot. You in your. wheelhouse. >> because because now I've got that with.

two gallons of water in a day. >> Right. >> Right. That's 16 lbs at minimum. So by. the time I get in that sauna, I'm like. it all comes off. >> But it's only for a short period of. time. >> Right. >> Like I'm at 204 and a half or maybe an. hour. >> When you re when you re. >> hydrate. Yeah. What are you What are you. going back up to? You going to rebound. to what? 220 225. >> When Jon Jones for when I fought Jon. Jones and I was in peak physical. condition. >> Yeah. >> There was nothing I could do to get over. 222.

>> Like I mean literally trained there at. for the last four weeks of camp cuz I. was so locked in. >> Right. >> When I fought Rumble Johnson, I weighed. 231 on Saturday night when I fought him. the next day. >> Wow. >> I weighed 205. >> Yeah. 20 I gained 26 pounds overnight. >> That's too much. I felt so sluggish and. horrible. >> Right. >> But yeah, I've cut a lot of weight. I. use you lose like 10 pounds an hour. though when you do those weight cuts. >> Wow. >> Do you feel that your your height I mean. because like you little but probably a.

tick under six foot tall. >> I'm five I've gotten shorter. I'm like. 510 on a good day. 510 and a half. I've. I've shrunk. Shannon, have you shrunk at. all? Have you gotten shorter at all? >> Yeah, I think so too. I think as we get. older we we we shrink it. I I believe I. have. But but when you when you you you. like for. >> I would think somebody your size your. height would be ideal is ideal for. wrestling. >> Oh wrestling. >> because you you because you got a short. torso but you got long legs. >> compact. Yeah.

>> And I'm good at getting close. Once I. get once I get if I get they say I'm. sticky, >> right? >> If I get close to you, I'm sticking to. you like you stuck in a fly trap. Like. seriously, it's like. >> So you're trying to close the distance. >> Oh, if I got close, you're in trouble. If I can grab you by the head, I'm. punching you uppercuts. If I can grab. your leg, then you're really in trouble. because I had a thousand ways to finish. a takedown. >> The moment I got your leg, >> Yeah. >> you're in a lot of trouble. >> Yeah. >> Because I'm either gonna move you here, left, right, up, down. >> Mhm. >> It's all subtleties. It's the same thing.

like how So like. >> Shannon, I could I could actually try to. guard you right now and I could not. >> Cuz even if you might not be able to run. as fast as you did, right, you going to. give me something in the shoulders or. something in the eyes. You going to get. some separation. >> Correct. That's me and wrestling. I'm. just like here, here, here, here, >> and they get lost. >> Do you like It's It's funny like when. you grab somebody here cuz I'm watching. these boxes and you watch him close up, he'll throw a punch and he put his hand. up because he know what's coming and.

he'll do this and he'll throw that. Oh, he'll do this and he'll do that. So, you. know, like if I got this, I know what. he's going to do. >> Absolutely. I'll I'll manipulate you to. do what I want you to do. >> Wow. >> Yeah. I'll manipulate you. That's why. like my takedown offense, I think I. might have landed 50% of my takedowns. 40. >> Wow. >> They're like, "Dude, you only landed. 40." Like, "Yeah, but the first few. aren't designed to take you down, >> right? >> They're to set you up for number four, five, and six. >> When I really want to get you down,

>> when I really want to get you down, then. you get up in the air, I flip you or I. trip you or it's like, yeah, it's like. it's all setups.". >> You mentioned boxing was your first. love, though. >> Yep, I did. Cuz it's all I knew. It's. what we knew. Like they would watch my. uncles all watch the wild war the sports. every weekend and we'd watch like George. Foreman clips and Muhammad Ali clips and. Mike Tyson. >> So it's like we're watching this. greatness and it looks like us, >> right? >> That is where the difference was.

>> You watch that greatness and it's like. wow this dude looks like he could be. where I'm from. >> and he's making he's the man, >> right? >> He's a superstar. That's what drew me. into boxing. >> because every story was about a kid from. a tough neighborhood. >> Yes. >> He was from Michigan. He was from. Louisville, Kentucky. He was from like. just all these places. Yeah. >> The main streets like wait a minute, this looks very familiar. >> And look at him today, right? >> So yeah, it it just drew me in like. >> Bud and Canelo.

>> That's a tough fight. I saw Bud. recently. He's big. >> Bud bigger than you think. He's stronger. than you think. >> Strong, too. Your bud son is ridiculous. We had Wrestlemania right up the street. He got a belt. He walked past me and he. was looking at me the whole time. He. looked at me said, "You the wrestler. I. knocked you out on UFC." I was like, "Bo, you crazy." When he crazy, Bud told. me he had to whip him. Bud said he went. to Sean uh what's his name? Sean. Crawford. Sean Taylor. Sean uh Sean.

>> Sean Porter. >> Sean Porter. Bud say Sean Bud say that's. him. went to Sean Porter said, "My dad. knocked you out." Sean Porter had to. call him and be like, "Man, your son's. crazy." Buzz, I had to spank him. He crazy. But yes, he's bigger. It's a. big time fight. Canelo better have his. game ready. Yeah, because if not, he. going to get beat by Bud. >> Yeah, Bud. I mean, like I said, Bud B I. mean, Bud walks Bud fought at, you know, last fought at, you know, Junior. Middleweight at 154, but Bud walks. around at like 180.

>> He's big, man. And he's tall, too. >> Yeah, >> he's very tall. He looked big. I saw him. inside the uh the Apex training. Yep. He. looked big. You went watch him train, too? >> I uh No, we did a we did a interview. with him and but he I say he's he's. stronger than you think. >> He's stronger than you could tell. >> Yeah, he's stronger than you think. >> Got his hands full. >> He does. >> You were bullied as a kid. Is that why. you got into wrestling and and fighting. because you were bullied? You're like, I. ain't taking this issue no more. >> So, I was bullied bad, Shannon. >> Okay. >> Like this guy used to beat me up all the. time. He would beat me up for no reason.

It was like no reason to fight me. He. would just pick on me. If they they. could have three other kids fight, he. would show up to watch the fight. Then. once that fight was over, he's like, "Should I might as well give me one. until they get a dog.". >> I was scared, too. I was so scared of. him. And then I I learned to wrestle. Once I got him, it was over, man. Right. >> Once I got him once, it was over. But. yeah. Yeah. It gave me self-defense. I. think wrestling is so important for kids. because then you learn to defend. yourself and also it gives you a. confidence. I got this academy in my my.

in Gilroy, the Daniel Cory Wrestling. Academy. Kids walk in and they're. hunched over looking like scared, right? Cuz the ones that have been doing it for. a while have this intensity about them. They're strong. They're confident, >> right? >> 6 months later, they're like. >> walking in with some I'm like, "Okay, >> this what I need." That's what wrestling. gives you. I I think it's the best. >> Right. Have you ever been arrested for. street fighting? >> One time I got arrested in college when. I was a freshman. I punched a guy, man.

>> What do you do? >> So, I went to a junior college in. Kansas, >> and uh. one of the biggest mistakes that young. black men make when they go to different. places is they almost try to recreate. themselves. >> You can be a great kid, but you will. portray yourself as a gangster or a bad. guy, right? >> Because you want people to not only. respect you, you want to make sure you. fit in and they kind of fear you a. little bit. Yep. >> It's like very important. So I did that. and I'm at this party and we go to this. party and the guy comes out. It's his. house and he starts talking and he said.

something that I viewed as disrespectful. when he came charging towards me. So I. punched him, bro. He he I don't know if. his jaw was like super like loose. >> cuz he he went he went to. >> he went down and his jaw broke really. bad. >> So blood's like everywhere. We run off. me and all my wrestler friends. The cops. come to get us. I we're in Kansas. I was. like, "Oh man, we saw I saw this Mexican. dude do it and run away." They said, "Nah, man. It was you.

>> It was you, Eric. Try to put it off.". >> I tried to put on a Mexican dude, man. I. was like, "Oh, they ain't got many brown. people out here. They ain't got many. brown people out here." They said, "No, it was you." They put me in jail. I was. crying, dude. Then they put they put me. in jail on a Friday night, Shannon. And. in those little towns. >> Oh, you don't get till Monday. >> And then once Monday come, they got 72. hours to see you. Yeah, man. >> They kept me in jail till Wednesday. >> Damn. >> I was crying. My mom actually to pay to. pay to get me out, she had to take like.

put it up against her house. >> Wow. >> To get me out of jail, she put her house. on the line as a as counter for the uh. >> for the bail. >> For the bail. >> Yep. And then I was like, "This woman. won't do anything for me. I'm the one. that messed up.". >> Right. >> I ran her phone bill up, calling her. every day. Thousands of thousands of. dollars. They ain't had nothing to pay. that. But she answered it every time. That's why she was the best to me. Everybody like, "Oh, you love your mama. more than you'll love anybody in the.

world." I was like, "You saw what she. did for me.". >> She She said she was the best. >> You tried some everything. You sold. drugs as a kid. >> I You tried to. >> Shannon, I was a bad drug dealer. >> What? So what? So. >> Shannon, you don't want to hear this. story. Shannon, >> we made hor we made fake drugs one time. >> Oh, look. share a weed with. >> So when you cut grass and just put. >> This was when I was a kid. No, no, no, no. Back when I was growing up, it. wasn't weed. It was crack. >> Oh, >> I tried to sell crack. Shannon, I was. broke. I needed $20.

>> Bro, you don't know how to cook? >> I don't know how to cook. I don't know. I don't know nothing about it. But. listen what we did, though. We took some. uh wax. >> Yeah. >> And put or gel on it cuz I guess that it. must numb the face or something. One of. my friends told me that one. He was. Yeah. So I gave it to the drug. I gave. it to the dude who gave me the money. >> He. He start. >> He look up. I took off running. >> I took off,

>> man. He called me, man. I running back. I gave out. There you go, man. You got. me. >> Bad down. You You done ate the crack. now. You You out of this. >> That was the last time. That was the. last time I ever tried some stupid [ __ ]. like that. I was like, man, this is. sports for me. It was bad. Could. a boxer ever be the MMA fighter in a. street fight? >> No. No. They would get taken down. It It. would happen too fast. I saw James Tony. fight Randy Couture. James Tony was one of the slickest, best.

boxers of all time. >> He tapped without actually tapping. Randy. He just waved at the ref like, "Save me.". >> Right. >> That's what happens when boxers fight. >> The baddest man on the planet The. baddest man on the planet is a mixed. martial arts fighter. >> Mhm. >> Nothing else. in terms of hand-to-hand. combat, >> right? >> Yeah. The baddest man in on the planet. is the UFC heavyweight champion every. time. Unless Francis Andu is out there. fighting for someone else, >> right? >> Then there's a chance that he's the. baddest man on the planet.

>> There's a chance it might be somebody. else. >> He might beat whoever we have because. he's that good. But. >> if not, it's either Tom Aspenol, Francis, Ganu, or Jon Jones right now. Those are the baddest men on the planet. Nobody else. we come back and have a. conversation five years, 10 years from. now. >> Yep. >> What's DC doing? >> Uh, probably the same thing. Probably. doing the same thing. Working UFC. fights. I love my job. >> I love calling fights. I think I have. the best job in the world.

>> Yep. >> Uh, podcasting, doing television. Same. Cuz I don't think that right now uh. >> I don't think that right now I'm willing. to stop you. Like we said earlier, you're a worker. I'm a worker. >> I just might be living in the town. wherever my son or my daughter goes to. college. I just can't let it go. I told. my daughter the other day, if you I. said, "Pick a school close and I'll pay. everything.". >> She wants to get far away. She want. you thinking of colleges yet? She goes,

"What? No." She goes, "Dad, I'm 13." I. go, "Could you go to Cal?" I like, "Stay. close." I go, "I'll pay you rent. I'll. give you a stipen. I'll do everything.". She was like, "No, you don't have to. You're you're good.". You want to get away from my ass. >> My man. >> Daniel Cormier. >> Yes. You're the man. >> Is it Cormier or Cormier? >> Cormier. >> Cormier. >> Cormier. >> Yeah. >> DC. >> That was good. All my life. Been. grinding all my life. Sacrifice. Hustle. Paid the price. Want a slice. Got to. roll the dice. That's why. All my life.

I've been grinding all my life. All my. life. Been grinding all my life. Sacrifice. Hustle. Paid the price. Want. a slice. Got to roll a dice. That's why. all my life I've been grinding all my. life.