Charles Barkley On MJ vs Scottie Pippen, Marcus Jordan & Larsa Pippen, Shaq vs Kendrick Perkins

I got in shape for $2 million the money. these guys are making the DAT I'd be. damn near an. arresting hey wait for for $ 35 $40. million a year making 56 CH I know I be. they be like we got to get Charles to. eat he's he's. anorexic all my life grinding on my life. sacrifice hustle P the price want a. slice got the roll of dice that's why. all my life i' been grinding all my life. all my life been grinding all my life f.

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in rebounding a 16-year NBA vet 11-time. NBA Allstar 11 time member of the all. NBA team the 1993 Most Valuable Player. allstar game MVP a two-time gold. medalist the leading score on the famous. Dream Team he's also named to the 50th. and 75th Anniversary team he has his. number retired in Philly Phoenix and at. the University of alurn SEC player of. the 1980s a two-time inductee of the. Hall of Fame a four-time Emmy. award-winning personality analyst and. commentator fan favorites successful.

author sought after speaker. philanthropist one of the game's. greatest character he was like no other. a larger than life personality he might. be the most quotable sports figure in. all the sports huh Sir Charles the round. Mount of rebound the prince of pizza. guess what they call him the Leaning. Tower of Pizza the Crisco kid the wide. load from leads one of the most popular. figures in NBA history ladies and. gentlemen Sir Charles Barkley thank you. wrote that you you read that just like I. wrote. it I appreciate that.

it's an honor man thank you for having. me you know we've been trying to do this. for a long time we have we have between. golf I I figured out we're Criss. Crossing each other across the country. every week cuz I'm flying to Atlanta. you're flying to La back and forth so. I'm glad it's an honor though man you're. doing a hell of a job Char man I want to. say thank you for opening up I mean your. NBA career goes without saying but what. you've been able to do to transition. after yeah the NBA and to become a lot. of people might I like you but they.

respect what you've been able to. accomplish and you opened the doors for. a lot of us especially myself because I. took my queue from you and we'll get. into that a little later so I want to to. toast your success this is my knac hey. you know I we got to talk about your. knac because I can't get into dark. liquor man this is so. smooth it don't drink like but see it. drink it's a. VSOP but it drinks like an. EXO I'm you I tell you what before we.

that's yours that's yours you get to. take that home before we finish today. I'm going to try something okay you got. my word you got you got your you got. your uh Redmont yeah so you know it's a. company I a Distillery I bought in. Alabama about four years ago okay you. know being from Alabama I always look. for business opportunities in Alabama. and The Distillery opened up and I was. like okay they do vodka Jen uh I think. we got a great product the only thing I. worry about is me and my boys drinking. all up the profits you know cuz I'm a.

vodka guy okay but you know we do a. vodka in a j shout out to Redmont it's. been it's been cool it's a very. interesting business when I say. interesting I mean corrupt uh it's hard. three tier system yeah yeah it is but. you know long as I invest in Alabama you. know I grew up in a small town outside. of Birmingham but I'm always looking for. investing opportunities in Alabama that. that's that'll always be home you grew. up in a small town I grew up in a small. town lead is Alabama what was Charles. Barkley childhood life well you know.

shanon it's it's interesting because. poor people don't know they. poor cuz everybody around him is poor. everybody around you is poor you know I. had a great mother and grandmother okay. uh my mother was a maid okay my. grandmother worked at the chicken. factory but they did awesome and you. know I had three brothers two of my. brothers have passed. away uh but man we didn't even know we. were poor we lived in the projects right. and they would they worked all the time.

but we didn't go without anything uh so. I've always tried to take care of them. when they were alive but I didn't know. like yo we had everything we needed we. never went hungry we always had good. clothing and uh I was so blessed to have. a great mother and grandmother my dad. was not in the picture okay and me and. my dad we we got along later in life but. in the beginning I had nothing but. animosity and hate toward him because he. wasn't around cuz he wasn't around and.

he didn't do anything for us and to see. my mother and grandmother struggling you. know cuz you know bringing up those boys. trying to make sure we got you know. cleaning people houses and my my. grandmother was crazy she'd bring a. million chicken feed home and for you. people don't know what chicken feed are. that they are what they say feed and you. know what people don't understand this. is a chicken feed there's only one piece. of meat right here and you have to eat. like a hundred of them to get a full. meal she would bring all type of body.

parts home from the from the butcher. shop all the time but you know I made. peace with my dad later in life and cuz. uh he died a couple years ago but we. became casual friends I didn't need a. dad by the time we reconnected but I. bear it to Hatchet cuz you know you. can't go through life being angry right. cuz it just weighs you down yes uh but I. was so fortunate to have a great mother. and grandmother the Forgiveness that you. gave him that was for you because he was.

living his life you was carrying around. something that was weighing you down. well you know shanon that was a very a. really traumatic experience in my life. when I was in high school. okay. so when I got ready so when um one it's. a couple goals in my basketball career. I'm really proud of okay number one. getting my team to the state tournament. my high school had never been to the. state. tournament and then getting Auburn to. March Madness those are two of most.

important things I've ever done in my. life but to get back to the high school. thing my junior. year we got beat by a better team okay. my senior year we were the best team in. the state but I kind of got hurt I got. hurt and we lost and I kind of was just. so depressed I kind of stayed in bed for. like two weeks I mean I was so M the. first year get him to the tournament was. a big deal cuz they had never been. before the next year like I want to. bring the first state championship to my. high school and then we lost I just went.

into a deep depression so I got behind. in all my classes and I caught him in. every one of them except Spanish first. of all I have no reason why I was taking. Spanish in. Alabama so I caught up in all my class. have Spanish so I didn't graduate I had. to go to summer school oh man and my dad. who was living in California my whole. childhood flew in and he ripped me a new. hole and I'm already traumatized that. I'm not going to get to March. and when he flew in at that point I just.

he man I ain't never going to forgive. this dude ever again for yelling at me. like that CU I was already down so how. often prior to him flying in to to re. you for bailing like class how often had. you seen him how active was he in your. life zero so that was the that was like. he just came in just for that yeah and I. had and I I it's my memories vaguely but. I don't think I probably saw him. probably 10 times in my childhood but he. flew in for that high SCH reunion I. didn't know I could uh that I had.

flunked the final exam until right. before. graduation. and he ripped me a new one but that. night I went to the high. school and I stood next door on the. stadium and watched the graduation and. cried for like two hours and that night. I said this is the last time I'm going. to let anybody ever have control of my. life I mean I was crying it was brutal. of course and I was standing there just. watching all my friends graduated and.

some of the people let's be honest they. weren that nice to me they were calling. me dummy and things like that right so I. was obviously I was kind of out of out. of it then I went to summer school and. then from that point on I got my act. together but the biggest problem was my. first few years in the NBA I was such an. because I was I was I I was. playing so. angry cuz I was thinking about two. people you did Miss Gomez and my dad. Miss Gomez I'm assume it is Spanish. teacher yes and you know people said man.

why you play so angry and so aggressive. and I never told anybody until later I. said man I was every time I stepped on. the court I said I'm going to stick it. to miss Gomez and my dad right and it. wasn't. until the spin incident in New Jersey. when I was sitting in the hotel room. crying that night I said yo man you an. hole don't play basketball to try to S. it to people the kids who made fun of.

you in High School Miss Gomez first it. was your fault you flunk Spanish it. wasn't Miss Gomez's fault it was your. fault you flunk Spanish Hey listen your. dad's anole that's on him right play. basketball because number one you're. good at it but it's it's it's just just. just play and that was like the turning. point in my. life you know and and and the second. turning point was probably meeting Moses. Malone right because when I got because. I was in college for three years.

and I weighed about 29ish to 300 I was. always fluctuating right in there and. then when I got drafted by the Sixers. cuz I left the league in UHC rebound. area so you know I think I'm successful. I'm in good shape right you there's no. reason for you to lose weight if you. doing all that yes and you know you know. because you've been a Hall of Famer. obviously College shape ain't Pro shape. uhuh yeah College shape ain't Pro shape. it's a different animal it is and I. remember I got lucky cuz Moses lived in.

the same building as me okay and I said. Moses can I I wasn't get in the play I. said Moses can I come see you tonight he. said surely what's up I said I'll tell. you later and I M why am I not getting. to. play he said Charles you you're fat and. you're. lazy he was that blunt huh oh yeah he. was great he's like EF HUD he didn't say. much right but he was such an elder. statement was so respected he was like. EF Hut like every time Moses said. something cuz doc spoke. uh Andrew Tony Bobby Jones those guys Mo.

Cheeks too but know Moses never really. said a lot but when he spoke that whole. locker room room like Moses talking shut. the hell up and uh he when he told me I. was fat and lazy but then he said the. next thing he said you want me to help. you lose weight he said I'll meet you. before practice after practice and he. said let's lose 10 lbs I said okay and. then I lost I got to about 290 and then. he let's lose 10 more then I get to 280. now I'm getting to play okay cuz I can.

sustain it you can't sustain effort mm. at 300 correct so now I'm at 280 he's. then let's lose 10 more he gets me to. 270 260. 250 and I I I I I look back at that when. I talk to kids about losing weight let's. lose some weight cuz if he had to said. to me let's lose 50 lbs I be like whoa. but he did it in such a smart way he. said let's lose 10 pounds let's lose 10. and then when he got to two when I got. to 250 the rest is history right I'm. looking at your childhood it's it's I.

read that your your grandmother ran a. bar she well no she didn't run a bar we. had people come to the house get drunk. every week no see so it was it was and. you think that's normal right and what's. crazy about it Shannon it was a fight. every weekend every weekend yeah cuz the. drinking involved and gambling probably. so that's what it was so we didn't have. a bar okay in my hometown oh okay so. every starting Friday pay period pay.

period everybody so now you know. everybody's trying to make extra money. yeah and do you know once they start. losing it's going to be a fight cuz they. start drinking so my grandmother would. go to Georgia every week and get cheaper. alcohol and. me and you P do shots so I was kind of. like the guy who bought the shots out. right and then go back to my room. Charles come here e another drink but. starting Friday around 6 o'clock.

okay 10 people would come over and. Gamble and then once PE it started. always started out civil and then once. somebody got drunk and start losing. their money it was always going to be a. fight of course and we did that every. Friday and Saturday pretty much my. entire childhood and that's how we made. extra money cuz you're not making enough. money working in a meat factory and as a. ma right but it was crazy because and my. grandmother she was amazing. but it was crazy think it's crazy.

thinking about it now right yeah what. kind of lessons did that teach you. seeing your grandmother doing what she. could to make ends meet you see your mom. doing what she can to make ends meets. there's four boys going on you're not. getting the assistance that you need. from your dad you're not getting the the. love the advice the discipline from your. dad so what kind of impact did that have. on you well so I had started stealing. and one night the cops chased us that.

was the closest we all got to getting. arrested and I remember when I was. crawling on the ground in the woods cuz. they chased us they were chasing us and. we were crawling must have crawl like a. 100 200 yards and I remember I had dirt. everywhere and scars everywhere and I. was like damn my mother and grandmother. working their ass off every day and you. out here being a. crook and then that's when I said you. you know what I got to give these lady.

the love and the respect they deserve MH. so then I said you know what I'm going. to just play sports and then what's. really funny about I sucked at. sports uh I wasn't any good I cuz I. didn't have my gross CU I most people. don't know that I I was only 510 when I. was a junior in high school if I had the. gross perk ain't no telling what I would. be doing today cuz I was a a 510 backup. point guard and then one year I Grew. From five 510 to 65 I mean but at 510.

you probably weighed probably what 175. 180 no I was like 220 that's football. player right that you should have been a. running back yeah let me tell you. something uh my friends make fun of me. uh I play football for one day you know. football is my favorite sport in boxing. okay cuz I think I think it takes a real. man to play football and box cuz those. the only Sports you can really get hurt. at right and I was like I play football. for one day and I was like and a joke. with the football coach later after I.

had my girl SP and I later in life he's. like I think I made a mistake putting. you on the offensive line I just no you. made a mistake talking me into playing. football because I played the one day. and I just ran into I just I just ran. into a guy full speed for like two hours. this the stupidest. ever and I remember I was sitting in the. locker room I was bloody and beaten up. and I had my head down I was totally. this the first I was the first day of. practice and the coach says uh I'll see.

y'all tomorrow I said wait we doing this. tomorrow and I'm not doing this tomorrow. I said no under no circumstances I said. coach and I went and after practice I. went on said coach I want to thank you. for the. opportunity but football turn your. equipment back in right back in after. that first day this is not for me this. is not for me right um you like to say. that one the reason football is my. favorite sport I think it takes. tremendous courage that and boxing are. Far and Away my two favorite sports.

because you can't cheat in football and. boxing basketball you can skate skate on. offense or defense and you know whatever. but when if you put if you're on a. football field yeah you cannot cheat. same thing in a boxing ring you going to. get your head knocked offre that's why I. admire football players and boxers cuz. it takes tremendous courage to go out. there right you're born in Alabama we. understand the history of racism in. Alabama yeah did you experience any. racism growing up when you was in that.

small town of Alabama no. because the year I was born was the. church bombing M you got the CMA. Massacre you had the Montgomery borot my. grandmother in my in my. town it was it was I think it was a. great place to grow up cuz we weren't in. a small town I think I don't even think. we really know what the hell going on. I've experienced more racism and seen. more racism when I got out of there. obvious.

and you know I was one of the first two. kids to. integrate the school system. right and I didn't we didn't know what. the hell was going on I didn't find out. till later uh there was a guy named Mr. Allen who drove me and two other kids. actually to segregate the to integrate. the schools the elementary school but I. never. felt I never felt racism in leads uh to. be honest with. you that accent.

yeah very I have one very heavy. colloquial dialect that's indigenous to. the South yes did people make fun of the. way you spoke or did everybody speak. like that they I didn't realize it until. I got to Philadelphia you know cuz I. spent my entire life in. Alabama uh you know you know one of the. great decisions I made was going to. Auburn wow well okay so obviously you.

know by now I'm really close to my. mother and grandmother I'm going to stay. in the box right. UAB is 25 30 minutes from my. house Tuscaloosa is an hour hour 15 from. my house Auburn's the Fest Way by far. it's like a legit two. hours so when I was trying to figure out. where to go to college you UAB led by.

the great Jean BTO made it to the Sweet. 16 Alabama made it to the Sweet 16 and. they both had everybody coming back yeah. Boba Lee well no we came out together. not only they both make it to the Sweet. 16 Alabama sign and W and B hurt so I'm. saying I'm saying to myself man I want. to play right so I go down to. Auburn and I said uh I'm looking around. I said damn these bombs don't lost 12.

games in a. row so I asked coach Smith I said you. got a pen on you he said oh what you a. big time you getting ready to sign an. autograph I said nope I'm signing right. now cuz these damn guys can't play dead. y'all done lost 12 games in a row and I. don't see anybody out there who put fear. in my heart and that's actually how the. whole thing at Auburn went down I said. his son was he said you going to sign. autographs I nope I'm signing a. scholarship right on spot cuz these. dudes cannot play dead and that's how I.

made the best decision to go to Auburn. because I tell all these kids some of. these kids are dummies I said yo man. look who they have on the team before. you go there right if you know there's a. guy who's really good and you play the. same position no matter how much. confidence you got you probably not. going to beat him out he's going to be. bigger stronger more experienced when. you I said the number one thing I said. if you want an education you get an. education anywhere m but the number one. thing when you're deciding to go to.

college is playing time because that's. going to be the first time you're away. from home and if you don't get to play. college going to suck your grades going. to suck your personal life going to suck. you really need to look at who's on the. roster before you decide to go so you. said you didn't realize that you had an. accent until you got the Philly Philly. once you got the Philly did you ever try. to change the way you talk or enunciate. words no not really because as you. know Fame ain't like.

everybody trying to explain being in. Limelight of Fame whatever words you. want to use trying to explain that to a. normal person like talking Chinese or. talking to an alien you're not a sports. you a celebrity CH yeah yeah but but. when I first like it's. overwhelming when it first happens yes I. like I said you can't even prepare for. it I said when they start sticking those. cameras and you turn on TV they talking.

good or bad about you uh in Philadelphia. on the radio I going to the black barber. shop hey never go to a black barber shop. when you're on a bad team ever hey under. under any circumstances I said do never. hey the Woody Brothers in Philadelphia. man I played on some teams that suck in. Philly when Doc and Moses had went away. never go to a black barber shop when. things are going bad they will tell you. the truth they will tell you the truth. and even if it's not your fault they. just going to tell you y'all suck y'all.

suck but no I I was trying to. adjust and and in in a really import a. pivotal moment Happ when I was with Dr J. so my second year in the. league I'm starting to become a a a good. player and I hate when guys get on TV. and say they don't give a what people. think blah blah blah everybody wants to. be light they do but I was trying to. make everybody happy they started cuz my.

first couple. years they went to Moses Dr J Maurice. Cheeks Andrew Tony those guys Bobby. Jones like I don't think I ever got. interviewed in my rookie year so lat in. my second year I'm starting to get it. together and learn and game slowing down. for me and Dr J I said do how do I talk. to the Press he said well you got to you. got to do figure it out cuz they coming. to you now you turn into a hell of a. player I said I want everybody like me. he says well that's that's kind of an. interesting question. because no matter what you say half.

people going to like it and half people. going to dislike it and I said what does. that mean he says that's the way this. thing work you can't make everybody. happy and then that was the turning. point for me I said what if I just say. My Truth he says you might as well say. your truth because even if you said what. everybody wants you to say some people. going to disagree with it and then I. changed my whole philosophy as far as. like just be honest that does not mean. I'm right all the time right but I'm GNA. try to be fair and give my honest.

opinion and I can live with the. repercussions cuz you said something. earlier what the people like me or not. they at least got like you know what at. least Charles even if I disagree with. him he doesn't have a hidden agenda cuz. the one thing I hate about these guys. somebody and you know I got this hate. hate towards skip. bayor because especially being. black I think I'm I I think I'm. representing some bigger M I think every. black person on.

television television is really powerful. really Mike willon one of my mentors uh. one of the best people I ever met he. said something to me one time he says. when he first got the job at PTI one of. my favorite shows with him in cornhouse. he says man I didn't realize how. powerful television was he says I've. been with the Washington Post for 25. years I walk around nobody say hello. kiss my ass or anything I'm on TV a week. hey you're the guy from TV and he said.

he had to learn like Man TV is a. powerful thing but the point I want to. make as a black person I'm really. conscious of everything I say you got to. be you got to be because there is a. double standard cuz what one thing that. drives me. crazy when when people use cold word. describing me you Stephen A guys like. that I says and I I want to be very. careful cuz I'm not trying to offend.

anybody but I want to make this point I. say well I'm curious you don't use those. type of words you use words and we know. what they mean black when you talk about. Shannon Stephen A and Chuck I said but. when Colin coward Jim. Rome uh Mike Greenberg who are great. guys I might add when they say stuff you. don't use those cold words with. them and I says so I'm very cognizant. of like okay there's a double standard.

so I'm really. careful about some of the stuff I say. but I'm but I'm not afraid of anything. because my opinion matters just like. theirs do right yeah but. we I. think we start to understand is that. it's not what we say it's the breaking. of down of everything of every word of. parsing it trying to like well this. yes this is my favorite well when I see.

shows like well this is what he said but. this is what he meant I'm like no I know. what I know what I meant I said it yeah. I said it but I but I always laugh when. they say like well he said this but this. is what he mean this what he was trying. to say I'm like no I said exactly what I. meant to say it drives me crazy when I. see when they not not mainly saying. about me but talking about other people. well this jock said this cuz Jim Rome. says something I really love he says.

every time somebody says I mean no. disrespect it's disrespect you know. what's coming next disrespect Jim Jim. Rome who who Who's I really like a lot. he said he does a segment every week. where he says that he says you know it's. time for the disrespect moment and he. always played upon well I mean no. disrespect he said wait for it you know. what's coming next disrespect and I I. love that right when you played were you. a trash talker not much much not much. cuz I had you know cuz I had too much.

going on in my brain because when you're. 6'5 playing against a 68 guy 69 guy 610. guy I have to have a. strategy you know I think I think. somebody said something to me one time. they went and looked at the numbers I'm. the only person in the history of sports. who never played against anybody who was. shorter than them yeah cuz I play center. in college right and then obviously in. NBA I'm I'm always going to be the. shortest guy. shortest power for in history yeah in.

history So I says I had so much going on. in my brain I'm like okay they bringing. this guy in he does this well he does. this he plays me this way then they. bring the other guy in I said well he. bring he plays me this way they're GNA. do this so I had so much going on in my. brain I mean cuz like I say when you. when you can't out talent I mean if you. Michael LeBron Kobe. Shaq you can out Talent 99% of the guys.

in the world but when you a 65 power. forward you can't out Talent people you. I tell people that you can't out Talent. people at my size you have to use your. brain right were you did you fight a lot. as a kid no cuz I was too little you. guys see that that's the thing that. people don't understand like I was. always small until I had the gross spur. right when you like I say when you a. little dude you can't be going around. fighting people you going to get your. ass kicked it was you know you know.

people always ask me though about the. gross per yeah I never had any pain. really I I like like when you go when. you wake up one day and you 510 and then. the next day you 65 like I never went. through like this knees didn't bother. you nothing hurt it was really weird. that never it never hurt me but could. you tell that you had grown that much. over the summer I did not know it that's. what's weird the coach said to me you. grown over the summer I think I grown a. little bit and then he said like you.

like 64 and A2. 65 and from 510 yeah and the best thing. though Shannon the best thing was cuz. the the the number one asset of my game. was my ability to dribble yes because. you can't post up guys who are 69 610. but you they don't want to move their. feet great so when I played guard all. those years that was probably the best. asset to me when I got to play against. those big guys thought you have B yeah.

yeah cuz they them big them big dudes. the one thing like it's hard to post. them up but they can't move their feet. more than one or two times and that was. the biggest asset of my game my ability. to dribble if you grow that much in a. summer I mean your clothes you probably. looking like jeffro bod you well that's. the one thing about being. poor you're just dropping down oh so you. wear hand me down cuz you know we ain't. going to get no you know you going to. get your one suit for Easter yeah you're. going to get a couple outfits for.

Christmas the rest of the stuff going to. be hand-me-downs oh yeah you know and. and also when you're in a small town. it's a very close-knit community so when. you get done with clothing it's always a. NE somebody somebody somebody get. something that's why I'll always. appreciate growing up in a small town uh. you know Kenny grew up in New York I. wouldn't want not sure how my life would. have been different if I grown up in y. New York but growing up in a small town. it really it was a really sense of.

community community yes everybody I mean. and that's what I when I'm on night and. I try to tell people this it was always. everybody was yes sir no sir yes sir no. ma'am if you misbehave Miss such and. such would te your tail up you going to. get two wh and then she going to go home. and say Mary I had to whip that boy. because he was being managed or he's he. He was cursing and then you got another. whiping Y what happened to that sense of. community. Chu you know. we we in the black.

community we we just have to do. better we got to number one racism. exists always has and always. will you know you I I I. really I look I tell people. this sports are a great thing for for. black kids it's really helped a lot of. us get out of here and help and go back. and make things better. but you have to understand some if.

you're born and it's it's white poor too. oh yeah cuz it's really economic racism. like calling people names and stuff like. that that's just silly and stupid but. economic racism is the biggest problem. we have in this country because if. you're black and poor or white and poor. you're going to be born in a bad. neighborhood and you're going to go to. an inferior school and I always use this. analogy I says if you play baseball and. if every time you step up to the you got. two strikes against you MH yeah shanon.

going to get a hit Chuck going to get a. hit and we going to have a couple little. hits right but most people going to. strike out yes or you're afraid to swing. yeah you get that third strike so I just. think that we got to do a better job of. holding each other accountable and. accept the fact that hey it's a double. standard MH but you can never give up. you can never be like you know what I'm. tired because let's be realistic it's. still better than it used to to be yes. it it ain't perfect but it's still.

better than it used to be check this out. when you got to Auburn you weigh 300 lb. the first 200 days in college it's. reported that you ordered 100 pieces but. you led the SEC and rebounding your. three years you were there you hold the. record for the career field goal. percentage at almost 63% you was SEC. player of the year and the decade of the. 80s and you're a member of the alurn all. Century team how the hell you do that at. 300 lb man I had some serious Talent be. honest with you um and like I say the.

college game is not near as fast and you. know we just live in a different. generation a lot faster now but you know. you kind of unless you get a fast break. because when when teams score you walk. the ball up and down the court M and it. was really interesting one of my. coaches Roger. Banks I struggled like the first week I. was in. college he says son what is your problem. cuz I average 20 rebounds a game in high.

school cuz I played with a really good. high school team and I they never ran. plays for me I had to get my own I had. to get my own and you up passing the. back guy you yo no so we had we had. about eight players who got SC we had. really good teams yeah we had really. good sports teams in my hometown cuz you. know a lot of times when people in small. towns they got like three high schools. the one thing about my high school we. got one high school you go K to 12 with. the same group so we always had good. sports team well you didn't go K to 12. in the same class did you no.

no no but I'm telling you it was crazy. you see the same people from K to 12. right and it's so funny how like we. always had good team in football and. basketball always had good team in. football and basketball did it ever Dawn. on you you're like man I'm really. killing it I'm getting I'm playing I'm. averaging 13 14 15 points I'm getting 10. 12 rebounds man if I lost a few pounds I. might be able to bump bump that up to do. 2015 did that ever thought cross your. mind in college no because when you when.

you know you. know the toughest thing about a player. and you know this and a team M kind of. happened to my Eagles this. year when it got off to like a 10 in one. start a lot of times what people don't. understand when you're having success. you still need to get better as a player. and as a team and have uh cuz you you. can have bad habits but je have your. team is so good you keep winning mhm so.

I'm I'm I'm I'm talking I'm not sure. like I'm probably the only freshman to. ever lead to SEC and. rebounding and then I I let it every. year so I'm not thinking about flaws I. think I'm doing pretty good yeah so I'm. not thinking about yo man lose weight. I'm like yo I'm all. sec I I'm I'm leading the league in. rebound as a freshman as a sophomore as. a junior uh and I'm like no I'm. good and you know actually my.

coach tried to get me to lose weight and. we we fought a little bit early in my. career we're really close today because. I had to go back and apologize I said. you know what you were right you were. right I was wrong I should have lost. weight sooner I could have been better. but you know we're all when you're 18. and having success you don't you don't. think anything you're good you think you. be yeah yeah yeah so I. it it goes back to my thing with Miss.

Gomez and my dad like you know what it's. you you know I I tell you the one thing. about being in the. limel man very few people have the. ability to say my fault my bad yeah. there ain't a whole lot of. accountability going on there's a lot of. people kissing your right yeah very few. people have the ability to say hey you. know what it's my fault it's my bad I. was wrong because like I said you got so. many people kissing your you got so many. people on the payroll who kissing it's.

like so you have to be. self-aware and and that's the only thing. I hate about life all the dumb you did. you get older you get so much smarter. and get so much wisdom and you go back. man what a dummy I was but nobody told. you that was dumm yeah but but but you. you know that's that is that's the one. thing about life that I that I really. hate that you don't learn all this smart. stuff till you get older because there's. so many people out there. there's so many people out there who. make mistakes that they that that they.

either die from or it ruins their life. and if you get older you're like man. what I did back then was dumb and stupid. and uh I wish the more young kids would. pick up talk to people like. you me cuz we've been through some stuff. like when I watch you all the time you. talk about preparing for. Success uh you you talk about your time. in Denver you talk about your time with. the Ravens about trying to teach the.

young guys how to do things take care of. them bodies and things like that I tell. these guys yo man it's like uh Zan I. like Zan a lot does he remind you of you. he reminds me I mean he's more exposed. he's more athletic than he's more. athletic uh but the sooner he gets in. shape the better he's going to be have. you had a conversation with him no but. and I don't I don't know him but I try. to tell him that on tell television I. hope he hears and don't take it as a. criticism cuz like he he has got so much.

talent and you can't get in shape during. the season no you get in shape during. the summer correct and I see that he's. lost about 25 lbs that's what the report. start during the season you got to do. that during the summer because you got. to be ready to go when the season starts. because he got man he is so explosive. cuz that last game that he got hurt in. against the Lakers that's the best I've. ever seen him play. but you man and listen I.

listen I got in shape for $2. million the money these guys are making. the DAT I'd be damn near an. arresting hey hey for for 35 $40 million. a year making 5060 CH I know I be they. be like we got to get Charles to eat. he's he's. anorexic I like my first contract was4. years $2 million right and I said I lost. 50 lb for for that type of money I for. 30 4050 $60 million they be like yo guys.

Charles is losing too much weight he's. we got to make sure he ain't Bic or. something I say I like but so man I just. hope he listens right and don't take it. because guys who' been in this business. like yourself and. myself man this is it's it's a it's just. the best job in the world but sometimes. you you need to take constructive. criticism but the problem is is that a. lot of time athletes and i' I've been. one and now on the other side is that we. H we have people around us that tell us.

what we want to hear not what we need to. know yes and so a person that tells you. what you need to know you're less apt to. move away from that person as Oppo and. keep the people that's telling you what. you want to hear around they should tell. him they should he should see it because. when I first saw him I say he reminds me. of Charles Barkley but he's more. explosive than Chu yes but if he lost if. he got down to 250 they'd have to change. be like because. the thing he did against the Lakers in. that one game he he could do that every.

night and that goes back to my original. thing like I could have a couple good. plays when I was 300 lb right you could. sustain it but I couldn't sustain it. when I got to 250 I could sustain it and. and I could go the next day and the next. day the next day and I hope you know. these guys and I hate to be the old man. because you know when you say something. or I say something we hate what we hate. or we the old get off my la guys I'm. like no we know how this story ends.

right I says let me tell you something I. know how every NBA story is going to end. I played against bird I played against. magic Kareem Michael uh you know I play. I like I know what it takes to be. successful and no you know what it takes. to be great yes and you know the thing. is it's like let's talk about drugs I. had a younger brother who was a junky. who died at a young age when I talk to. these young kids in high school to. college about drugs I said yo man it. ain't a matter if it's a matter when you.

know it broke my mom's heart it broke my. heart for a long time I said yo man I. don't understand why you got to do drugs. I just don't get it and I almost did. cocaine one time cuz you know I had put. my brother in a bunch of rehabs and I. was like what what's the up with. this and I talked to one of my boys I. says yo man I want you to get me some. cocaine and he says Charles youing nuts. I says man my brother he going to die at.

some point and I ain't never had. something so strong that I would give up. the NBA or my money saying you know I. got to do drugs and he knows it's. killing him but he can't stop doing John. Lucas who's a great great man he said he. said CH I'mma tell you something about a. junkie he says if I put a million. dollars on this table cash and a pile of. cocaine over there. or or crack or whatever you want to say.

a junkie would not say man I can buy a. lot of cocaine with that money he going. to go right for that pile over there wow. and my brother died I think he was 40. when he died he got his life together he. got his life together but he had done so. much damage to his body and it just gave. out and when I talk to these kids I said. yo man it ain't a matter if it's just a. matter when if you doing this drug thing. it it's somebody in your going to get a. call one night that it's over MH and.

that I I felt so bad for my mom cuz she. never got over it never got over it. right you come out the NBA the 1994. draft now there been I mean 84 draft the. 84 draft Michael Jordan John Stockton. Charles Barkley Keem. elijahwan uh the first three were Hall. of Fame I mean elijahwan went with I. think he went first yes Jordan went. third uh s boy went with second y'all. had Hall of Famers the 85 draft car.

Malone Patrick U Chris Mullins Charles. Oakley Joe Dumar 87 David Robinson. Reggie Miller Scotty Miller Scotty. Pippen haris Grant Mark Jackson Mugsy B. 96 draft Kobe Ray Allen Steve Nash Allen. a alen Aon uh Stefon Mar Derek Fisher. and obviously the 2003 draft LeBron D. way Chris Bosch Melo all Hall of. Fame what's the best. draft well I I I don't know if you can. say who's the best draft you know I I I.

give you an example why I say. that Tom Brady Joe. Montana Dan. Marino they're in the conversation of. the greatest quarterbacks ever and Pat. Mahomes on ascending yeah those guys. ain't never going to be Ned record books. in five to 10 years and there's some of. the best orble to do it the games have. changed the rules have. changed doesn't make better or worse.

it's just different should we consider. that when we talking about greatness. because of the rule change in football I. think you have to like I don't care who. think about this there's probably going. to be 10 quarterbacks in the next five. years that's going to shatter all the. records and they going to be one. onethird to player Tom Brady uh Joe mon. Dan Marino Drew Brees pton Manning those.

guys going to be they probably think. about it in 10 15 years not probably. won't even be that long they won't even. be in the top 10 yardage and touchdown. passes because the rules have changed uh. and it's obviously just now number one. they going to pass it yeah more a lot. more but also defense is a handicapped. right now also so all the players you. mentioned are great great great but it. is just a lot easier to play basketball. cuz I tell.

people. Michael I played when you play them boys. from the. Pistons we used always say call your. family tell them you love them and. goodbye cuz there was a chance you. wasn't going to make it out they were. they were trying to hurt. people they had six guys who use their. files you know what's so crazy when I. was when I was watching that uh the the. documentary uh the Last Dance some of.

those files will get you suspended for. 10 games today oh absolutely oh yeah yes. and it was just one foul back then yeah. bill lambir bill lambir would have been. out the lead for at least 30 at least 30. Games cuz he was deliberate with him. ain't no high did or nothing the same. thing with Mahorn John Sally Dennis. Rodman I mean think about you go back. and uh lamb beer all the guys. so the rules have changed they're not. like I say I don't ever say things are. better right but all these guys are.

great and I was blessed to play in the. generation cuz the two most important. figures in NBA history or Magic Johnson. and larberg right if it wasn't for those. two guys and Reese had something to do. with that yes Reese has something to do. with that drew a line it drew a line but. it's still the best thing ever happened. to the NBA it is because was before then. the average salary then was.

$200,000 when magic and bird came in cuz. first all it was to Black to thuggish. two drug. infest and we were tape delayed people. don't realize that they don't even know. that the NBA Finals was on tape delay. and Shan you got one game a week on. Sunday you did I remember it you got one. game a week on. Sunday and people now you can go you can. watch the Gam 7 days a week we own all. the gam all the games I said no you.

don't understand this how and like I say. it was a long time ago but think about. it the finals were t uh were taped. delayed and there was only one game on. Sunday and the average salary was. $200,000 the average salary now is $10. million we got what's going to be crazy. we got three NBA players I think three. or four making $60 million a year mhm in. the next five years we're going to have. guys making 70 80 809 probably be first.

it's going to be crazy 80 80 a year CH. 80 a year the playing basketball good. and what's crazy Shannon this how old I. am I remember. vividly me Doc Moses Bobby Jones Andrew. Tony the we were in the locker room one. day and it broke the Magic Johnson had. been the first NBA player to make a. million dollars we were walking around. high-fiving each other. we could not believe we could not.

believe that an NBA player made a. million dollars and I'm like and I'm. with docy Moses now who are alltime. great they're high-fiving each other. they're like we can't believe a NBA. player making a million dollars that. that's how that's how how crazy it was. thinking about money back in the day wow. it says it was reported that you didn't. want to go to Philly so bad that in a 48. hour span you ate two dny Grand Slam. breakfast is six pancakes bacon total in. about 1,600 calories a a vanilla.

milkshake Kentucky Fried Chicken bucket. mashed potatoes cold SLO half the menu. at Red Lobster Two MC two McDonald fish. fillets large fries I don't know why the. hell you ate a d had a Diet Coke to wash. it. down two Texas siiz barbecue sandwiches. a t-one steak baked potato three. desserts repeated it for the next day. gain 20 lbs also while drinking what the. hell you like you could have kill. yourself you could have went to a food. com I could have been poor too uh no so.

so you know they had a really hard cap. right so I'm with my agent so so I you. know you do your visits yeah the the. owner of the 76ers. says put me on the scale I'm weighing. about. 295 this is about a month before the. draft he says you know we're concerned. about your. weight uh says well well I'm going to. get in shape I think I'm but whatever.

blah blah blah he we want you to weigh. we want you to lose 10 pound we want you. to come in to day the. draft stop in Philly on your way to New. York for the draft so I go train for a. month down in Houston I'm I think at the. time I'm weighing about 282 283. somewhere in there I don't know if that. going to happen in a month no no I got. down oh it was only like 12 PBS okay. uh oh he wanted you to get to 280 okay. okay you 282 he says we want you to get.

to 285 okay so I go down to Houston. train for a month and I'm like. 282 and we get on the scale he says now. Tru we have a problem I what's the. problem he says well the Sixers are over. the they're at the cap they can only. give you a oneyear deal for $775,000. I said I didn't leave college for. $75,000 are y'all crazy. he says well I don't know what to tell. you he says Sixers want to take you I.

said I don't want to I said I didn't. leave college for one year for $ 75,000. what if I get hurt right I'm trying to. take care of my family set my family up. for financial for Life yeah he says well. the Sixers draft for you going have to. sign a oneyear deal for. 75,000 I said what can we do he says. well we're stopping in Philly on the way. to New York man we went right to. Denny I got a grand slam I I cancel. workouts for the next two days I got me. a grand.

slam then we went out I got me some. shakes went to a uh a big Steakhouse the. night before got me the big t-. bone got me some fries got me a big old. piece of cake did the same thing the. next. day I get back to Philly we stop I'm. 298 this on the team called. me what the what the and me and my e. just look at each other like thank God.

we dodged the bullet and if you go back. and look at my face and out of the girft. and that sweet burgundy suit I might. have man when they said with the number. five pick the 77 76 select Charles. Barkley the look on my face I'm in. shock and I'm. thinking damn I left college for 75. $5,000 I got to be the biggest fool in. the. world and so we go down to Philly and he.

says you. know go to the summer. league and I I said well got no choice. so I go to summer league and I start. just whooping I do I I was like I'm I. got this and he says okay we're going to. trade some players cuz we we not going. to make you sign a one-year deal and. they traded Franklin Edwards and I think. Mark Aaron and my first year my first.

deal was uh four years $2. million you was on the court when Doc. and Larry got into it what caused. that man first of all I I hate the NBA. for that reason they owe me. $5,000 I'm still pissed to this day cuz. the one thing I would never do right is. hold a guy for another guy to hit him. and I've been mad I'm still mad at this. day y ow me $5,000 Adam. Silver so lber was a great trash talker.

okay and he's. like Charles y'all better get this old. man off. me I'm telling you and he's just. roasting doc yeah he's like and there. was a doc last year I think he was right. it was either last year or the year. before he's killing. Doc and he's like Chuck I'm telling you. for the last time you better get over. here cuz I'm going to kill this old. man and he it goes on up and down and he.

Larry just killing him and do just had. enough and I just had they come together. and I just kind of grabbed Larry I'm not. even looking at Doc when I went back and. looked at the tape doctor nailing his I. was just trying to pull guys apart yeah. but you know you can't in a fight you. can't grab one unless somebody grab you. hey you grab him I grab Larry cuz I. didn't want him hitting doc but ain't. nobody grab doc I know I know but but. you just said something if I grab Doc. and lar th pumin I ain't I can't go back.

to Philly keep right I can't go back to. Philly so I grabbed Larry to stop him. from hitting Doc and Doc whing away but. doc it started because doc was like. Larry's like yo man y'all better get. he's screaming it too everybody can hear. it y'all better get this old man off me. I'mma kill him out here Larry's one oh I. tell you l b was one of the best trash. talkers ever so one of my teammates Leon. wood was a great he's NBA official now. yes so we in the room getting ready for. the Three-Point Contest at an All-Star.

Game Larry walks in says which one of. y'all going to come in second. place y'all heard me which one of y'all. going to come in second. place I like damn this that that was. like my first real talk to him oh that. sounded pretty aggressive he won though. he won I mean he was he was he was one. of the best at trash talker man he when.

he came there and said that you could. have heard a pen drop everybody's all. excited and everything everybody geek. yeah with geek Larry walk in and said. which one of y'all going to come in the. same place second place you could have. heard a pin. drop you probably played when you look. at the era in which you played magic. Bird kareim yeah Michael elijan Patrick. Robinson yeah what was that era like. because that was that that error made it. possible for this error and I don't know.

if this error give that error enough. credit and maybe that era doesn't give. this era enough credit well that's a. great. question we should always give credit to. the guys who came before us correct. always because it was for those guys. nobody would be y'all making this money. because y'all were born at the right. time mhm you're not better than Michael. Jordan Magic Johnson Larry Bird right uh.

Kareem Will Bill Russell you're not. better than those guys well let me ask. you this let me push back those guys but. I'm saying average if you look at the. teams now guys are more skilled you have. more guys that can shoot the equivalent. of Reggie and Larry yes on a team just. be appreciative of those that generation. okay uh I I got number love for these. young guys uh because number one they're.

great yes but they should always have. great appreciation for the older guys. because those guys did all the heavy. lifting it's kind of like being black in. my. opinion I have so much love for older. black people absolutely because I don't. know what it's like for people to spray. me with a water holes s the dogs s the. dog or tell me we tap this in the Four. Seasons we couldn't have been here no.

they said take your black up to the. Motel 6 and do this interview right like. if you can't every time I meet an older. black person I give an example one of my. mentor was Jill Morgan okay he called. his dad one day he said Dad we gonna. meet Jackie Robinson. tomorrow he said what do I say he says. just tell him thank. you and I think every time I meet an. older black person I want to say thank. you you because y'all did all the heavy. lifting y'all did all the heavy lifting.

what they had to endure I can't and and. and I can't even imagine like I I can go. to any restaurant I want to any I can. stay at any hotel I want to I don't even. know what it's like when people say well. you can't stay here you or get to the. back of the bus back of the bus or the. movie theaters I'm old enough to. remember the movie theaters the black. sat up top you couldn't sit down low I'm. old enough I do remember that and that's. and so that's and so the analogy of. every basketball player today just say.

yo man I want to thank you not even me. right cuz I made a good living but every. time I meet an older guy I like yo man. thank you for what you did for me but. every time I meet magic and bird I tell. them guys man thank y'all cuz because in. sports there are a lot of great players. but there's only a few guys who move to. needle correct like Eng golf. there are a lot of great players today. but Jack Nicholas horor Palmer Gary.

Player Phil mickers and Tiger. Woods those guys took the sport to a. whole another level like there are a lot. of great players but very few players. are like oh I got to watch that guy on. television we going we need to do the TV. deal because of that guy and all you. want from any generation is number one. leave it better cor like I'm dis. appointed in these guys today with this. load.

management how's it yo man first of all. we're not. teachers we're not nurses we're not in. the service people who work like hard. every day yeah we play a stupid. basketball game for three or 4 days a. week you're not going to play more than. three or four days a week you're going. to make 340 million 60 million I'm. pretty sure the nurse don't want to go. to work sometime time she can't low. manage yeah she can't uh I'm pretty sure.

teachers can't low. manage I say man just play basketball. you got the best shoes can you imagine. Bill Russell playing in those uh canvas. shoes the Chuck Taylor Chuck Taylor can. you imagine can you imagine I no support. no support and they played every game. for $3,000 a year and you can't just. like of course you sore I'm pretty sure. doctors and nurses are sore but man just. just to be appreciative how lucky and. blessed we are to do something stupid. and make a gazillion dollars how.

different would your career have been if. you weren't drafted and played in the. era of Michael. Jordan do you win a title that's a great. question I don't know but I'm glad I. played in his era because number one you. want to play in a great player the. greatest or you know it's a debate. between him and LeBron some people still. think uh Kareem you want to play in that. because number one what Michael did.

going back to what we talking about have. respect for the older. generation if it waser for Michael. M we wouldn't I wouldn't make millions. of dollars from Nike a year. right LeBron Kobe would make millions of. dollars from Nike a year if it was for. Michael Jordan we all wouldn't have. commercials people act like athletes. always did commercials no number one. none of us had a shoe deal until Michael.

none of us shot commercials until. Michael so whether you want to debate. who's the greatest that guy is the. reason we make that's the reason I uh. think about this when I was in it was. really fun in that movie air because I. I'm in I'm technically in the movie. because me and Mike are the same. generation his mom and dad having the. for thought to say uh he GNA get a piece. of the shoe right and then Matt Damon. who plays sun says well we don't do it. like.

that Miss Jordan said yeah we do it like. that and because of. that I made millions of dollars from. Nike just from from and also from my. signifant shoe right. so I I lost to Michael. Jordan I it would have been great and. and and and the only thing I ever felt. bad about Chan to be honest with you I. couldn't win the 76 is not the 76 the. sons of Championship because in Philly.

they had. one uh in Houston they had. one I have always felt bad that I wasn't. able to bring a championship to fedus. cuz that's my. home they gave. me uh when I got traded there my life. just changed dramatically cuz man all I. wanted was some help because when you're. a great player man it's hard to go out. there. you know cuz there's a couple things. that happened to me that really cuz I.

was getting so depressed in Philly cuz I. was saying to. myself damn I suck as a basketball. player I says we never well I says we. get beat in the first round every year. and I'm like I know I'm. great but our team wasn't very good but. I'm it because I'm like yo man and I'm. having my private moments I'm talking to. my friends I'm like man am I not good at. basketball well I think I'm great blah. blah blah and then when they called me. for the Dream Team I was like damn I am.

pretty good right I like I am good thank. you thank you and then when I got traded. to Phoenix they gave me Dan Marley and. uh Kevin Johnson and Mark West those. guys I'm like cuz when I got there that. first day I said guys I think I'm the. best basketball player in the. world we're going to play the Bulls for. the. championship Michael Jordan just had. some more help I'm just as good as him. they look at me like I'm. crazy they're like what I says I think.

I'm the best basketball player in the. world y'all going to find out right now. cuz we going to go out here and start. kicking some right I told him that the. first day and uh there was a turning. point in the season and I know Michael. well MH we got off to a good start we. play the Bulls and he just kick our and. I was saying to myself he know we going. to play them in the finals he want to. send us a message so after the game I. told him I said guys we got to get.

better that guy sent me a message. tonight and I didn't like the message. but I received it yeah I received it and. then we went on like a 12 13 game. winning streak finish with the best. record NBA get to the finals and I said. I get the chance to prove my point and. I'll tell you Shan that's the first time. in my life I I felt like I said damn. that guy's better at basketball than me. cuz I had my chance a showdown at the OK.

carral and. uh so no I was it was an honor same. thing I say but bird and Magic Kareem it. was just a great time the Dream Team. let's clear this up the dream team was. supposed to take the best 11 NBA players. well the best 12 players they ended up. taking 11 NBA players and they took. Christian ler yes. a lot of people believe that Isaiah. Thomas was one of the best 11 NBA.

players a lot of people believe Charles. he was better than John. Stockon uh I think he was a better. player than John stock then why didn't. he get to go on the team well you know. Shanah number one that is an amazing. question because I'm so glad I get a. chance to straighten this out yeah. please straighten it out number one they. never asked me about Isaiah Thomas okay. and it just came out and I can't speak. for the other guys but they never asked.

me personally about Isaiah Thomas and. Isaiah Thomas probably should have been. on the team and they asked Michael. Jordan did he have anything to do with. it and then it actually just came out in. the last year where he said I'll play as. long as I don't play so and then you got. to have him you going overseas you got. to take the biggest guy so I don't know. this personally but I think it was Jack. mallum who said he had it on tape and he. played it cuz I've been asked that. question a thousand times I dude they.

never asked me about Isaiah Thomas but. apparently Michael didn't want him on. the team well he wasn't going to be on. the team yeah whoever Michael want on. the team was going to be on the team. they not going to be on the team but I. will tell you something. man I've been so lucky and blessed in my. life ain't nothing like the Olympics. right it's it's it's the most cool event. that I've ever been. to I didn't we had no idea how big it. was going to be when we got there right. because I tell. people that was probably a.

12T window maybe 15 ft where they could. see us get on the bus man it was 5 to. 10,000 people out there every day just. to get a glimpse of us mainly obviously. Michael magic and bird even though bird. were play but they would just scream to. watch watch these guys walk and then. when we took. off there was a helicopter above the bus. there's a police car in front police car. in back there was two guys on.

motorcycles and one on the back had on. the back of had a machine gun there was. people along the highway holding up. signs it was and we we like whoa this is. some real here this is a real. deal and we were like yeah man this is. um did you know it would be this big not. even close nobody did we had no idea we. like I mean cuz first all you know we we.

never really experienced anything like. that right and then we were like whoa. this a big deal I mean people on the. highway holding up. signs hundreds of them right but when we. walk but say when we walk out every day. to go to the game it was 5 to 10,000. people they were like a a 50 yards away. and they could only see us walk like 12. to 15 ft right but they were screaming. it was crazy uh but it was it was it.

it's it's but being at the Olympics. itself was such a cool when and I tell. people when when they're playing that. national. anthem and me and bird M all the. overseas and they play in the nation yes. and we like we like we're all getting. Goosebumps I mean it was it was it was. surreal you do realize what you guys did. is that you birthed an era the Nicole. the uh the Luca donic those guys came. they saw they probably wasn't born then.

but their parents and people the coaches. they saw that the dirt and the viscus. yeah the pat because at the time if I'm. not mistaken the only guy that I can. remember in that area was like sabon uh. I think Paia y uh seruna marcelona there. were only a handful it's not littered. like and I don't mean that in negative. term but it wasn't the the influx of. former European players like it is now. well shout out to to the great late. David Stern I think that was his vision. to be honest to make the game.

International right and when I it was. really funny like the first time I met. dirt. nisy uh he was like. 18 and we we're overseas this was a Nike. trip and um he's got like 30 at. halftime and I got like Scotty Pippen. and some other we got like Nike was. always ahead of the curve taking us to. foreign countries. got like 30 and Scot was like one of the. best defenders in the world he's like I. got him I got him Dirk got finished like.

50 something you ain't got his gu and I. said yo man who the hell are you and he. got that thick ger my name is dir NIS. I'm 18 I said 18 do you want to go to. Auburn I says just name your price we're. good he's like what he said I want you. to go to my. college I said hey told the Nike guys. get his. information they called me back a week. later no cuz then he he said something.

he says I got to go in the army I said. yo man you're 7 feet tall you're not. going in the damn Army you're not going. in the Army nobody going to have no s. foot person in the Army and I and they. called me back like a month later said. Chuck you know they changed the rules. now he GNA go in the. draft I said okay and you know people. don't even realize this you know he. didn't get drafted by the M he got. drafted by Milwaukee right and I hate to. say this and I apologize to family is. probably going to go down one of the. worst trades in NBA history cuz they. Trad him for Robert tractor trailer you.

did and uh trailer was a nice kid rest. in peace but that's probably going to go. down that's a bad trade cuz D up until. to Joker he was the greatest foreign. player ever right and when the Joker. finished you were taking him over elijan. as foreign bar. player uh you know I I I kind of look at. it different. because you like AEM did play on. American soul for number these guys came.

straight from to the NBA uh shout out to. a it was an honor and privilege to play. with him also but listen by the time Jo. is the best for bar player yes it's over. he pass he pass dirt it's over it it it. listen cuz you know I they might I think. they gonna win this thing again did you. think I remember watching him I thought. his career since he obviously played in. Denver and I've been following him and I. watched him in the bubble in 2020 and I.

watched Anthony Davis gave it to him. yeah but now it's over he's on a. different sh yeah I mean the guy can. give you 30 20 and 15 like he can. there's nothing he can't do well. offensively well what's crazy like last. night yes we were making a big deal cuz. Aaron Garden played fantastic yes. fantastic uh Jamal Murray played great. and then we were looking at the stats. last night we like Y Man The Joker had.

24 15 and N that's the easiest 24 15 to9. and we and we didn't mention him on 13. shots we did not even mention him we. made a big deal we interviewed Aaron. Garden cuz he had career highs and. points and assists rebounds excuse me. and we I was looking at the stats I said. man Joker had 24 15 and n and it was so. quiet we didn't even talk about it but. you know I mean you know there's two. interesting stories in the NBA that.

people never talk about Steph Curry and. Joker M if people you talk about people. who deserve their job and people who. should get. fired you know that when the Golden. State Warriors had to make a big. decision between Steph Curry. and Monte Ellis. yes and most people got mad they traded. Monte because Steph was always hurt hurt. and same thing with Joker and nkit Y. they were like y'all should keep nkit.

instead of the Joker and you think about. how different one guy got four. championship and he's one of the. greatest players in NBA history and this. guy's going to be he got to be about to. get his 30 of you Poss like those the. you talk about changing the entire. dynamics of your franchise of History. that's amazing that like we made the. right decision and yo win a second round. I I know I know but they had to make. that decision yes and the same thing.

because they knew that Monte Ellis and. Steph that you can't play two little. guards like that and people were mad on. both accounts that's how crazy this this. life is Chu the athletic had a poll and. this guy has been winning most overrated. for like the last five years and that's. Rudy Gober why does Rudy get so much. flat well I think that we don't we w we. don't respect defensive players. you know I love ESPN love ESPN we don't.

show block shots unless it's Alon. Edwards that block CH down LeBron chase. down we we never show defense we show. guys making shots and dunking like espan. is amazing don't get me wrong but they. in a two-hour. game they show you a minute maybe a. minute I doubt they highlights of game. last longer than a minute right they. ain't showing Rudy go bear blocking.

shots or changing. shots now wmy we showing wmy blocking. shot yeah but but they going to show him. making threes and taking the ball behind. his back and everything but you know we. don't show defens defensive players like. you think about it uh in the NFL we talk. about uh the Boza Brothers Michael. Parsons uh we don't we very s talk about. defensive players because defense isn't. pretty like unless Michael Parson's.

making a sack or some one of Boer. Brothers Hutchinson in Detroit uh Aaron. Donna who's amazing shout out to Aaron. Donna man it's been an honor and a. privilege to watch you play but we only. show offense yeah because now it's an. offensive era you don't have they don't. let you play football like they had when. they had buckers and they had uh LT your. lewises the Ron lies that were. decapitating people out there they don't. want to show. look but want to see all these oneand.

see everyone handy catch that happens on. Sunday though you going to see that. you're going to see that the great this. is the greatest player of all time it. seems to be a two-man race now Michael. Jordan LeBron James nothing hey Kareem. Kareem is the most underrated player in. the history of the NBA yes he's the he. he was the alltime leading score the. third the third lead rebound he won six. MVPs five championships and that make it.

seem like the man was with some sa yeah. well I got nothing of admiration for. Kareem first of all the activist he's. always been yes you know I find the Le. let's talk about the Michael LeBron. thing they played in different eras. they're they're in my opinion they're. right there you can it's either a or b. okay but I will say this about LeBron. number one I like him a lot as a person. I think he's a nice guy never said that.

about Michael Jordan he'll kill you. he'll kill you I've said there two. things it's I put Kobe right there also. but Michael and Kobe will kill you. LeBron's a nice guy right Michael and. Kobe will kill you if they played. against their sister she gonna get her. ass kicked LeBron like he ain't gonna. beat up his sister but I would say this. about LeBron I think it's the greatest. story of any jock who's ever.

lived because if you go back and look. about guys who came out of high school. people forget Kobe struggled early he. did Kevin Garnett struggled early LeBron. James is the only one because we had his. first game I say LeBron James is the. only one who didn't struggle right away. right he came in and was a good player. he was great great great right away but. he was a good player right but also in. this generation where everybody's got a.

cell phone and people outow to get you. MH he's never gotten in. trouble he's. exceeded what expectations any. expectations whatever you thought he. could be yeah because he was on he was. the chosen one on the cover Sports. Illustration 17 so whatever you thought. he could be he's just eclipsed it he's. eclipsed it and and to never get in. trouble in this. generation uh like I say you know. everybody's got a cell phone now people.

are delibery trying to get you. yes I think it's the greatest sports. story ever in my opinion single mom. didn't go to college they gave the keys. to the franchise to an 18-year-old kid. and says we're only going to go as far. as you take it and like you said he's. been a model citizen both on and off. obviously to building the brand Jordan. you gave everybody the blueprint and we. see Kevin Durant we see the uh Steph. curage we see the LeBron James starting.

production companies being active. outside give Junior Bridgeman some. credit too people don't know who they. well well I every time I see Junior I. say thank you. because magic is kind of taking over now. oh yes but Junior was a good player but. the his portfolio owning all those. restaurants probably being the first. billionaire athlete to be honest with. you him Dave being in also is amazing. businessman but every time I see Junior.

bridan like for a guy who didn't make a. ton of money that's what's so impressive. and didn't have the name didn't have the. name to learn how to handle business and. he's probably got 500 to a th000. restaurants. now and like does it so low key mhm does. a Sol low key like every time around. here I try to pick his brain right. because the one like it's it's different. now because these guys make so much.

money yeah I said back in our day you I. says dude and and I'm not poo pooing on. this either I want I want to make it. clear because you know when I say it. it's gonna sound stupid the most money I. made was $5 million M that was my last. year right I says now that's below the. minimum I. say to to to be a businessman in our day. and become a billionaire you are greeted. business right you a greeted business. and he wasn't a name people wanted to.

attach themselves to Magic yes people. wanted to attach themselves to M yes he. was Junior Bridgeman just a great. businessman and a good dude that here's. here's here's his to. me is one of the greatest stories ever. and if I was the NBA. MH I would bring him in every year to my. teams teams and say guys because what. people don't understand everybody on an.

NBA team or NFL team ain't making a lot. of money true or ain't going to play a. lot of years 10 the average in in both. Sports the average year is about four. years those the guys who need a junior. brisman that's like you know I was. watching the draft last night and this. always annoys me about young. kids I like these dudes got little of a. ton shirts Iced Out I and I don't mind a. little ice but too much ice they got.

Dior. shoes uh I says they do know that money. ain't going to last forever right get. you a pair of. Nikes I'm not paying for no Dior shoes. uh but you got to be nice cuz you had. that cranberry suit on you a nice J with. that little skinny T there's nothing. wrong with a nice suit but I tell these. guys you know Shon when I first was an. idiot when I can't got my money yeah I. had like uh three or four cars and Dr J.

says how many those cars can you drive. at the same time I said what do you mean. he says how many of those cars you got. drive at the same time I says one he. says well why you got. four he said Chuck this money got to. last you for the rest of your. life he says this money got to last you. the rest of your. life he says son don't waste all your. money on cars there everybody know who. you are wow he said if you pull up an. AA they know oh that's Charles Barkley.

you pull up in a mercedesbenz or roll. Roy that's Charles Barkley but the. problem is that money is not the fact. that you can't afford that car right. it's a the fact that that $300,000 you. spent on that Bentley if you bought a. car for $780,000 you would have had. 200,000 more in the bank and it would. have been growing and growing and and. then one year three years 5 years 20. years that 200,000 is going to be worth. a lot more the question is Charles is.

that you when you and I tell sometimes I. tell young people you can afford that. car right now at 20 will you be able to. afford that car at 60 yeah that's the. key there's a 40-year gap in there yeah. but see the the young. guys they think like I always tell them. I say yo man we know. stuff we a like I ain't trying to hate. on no young guy I'm trying to cuz I. don't want you to be on that list what. list is that 80% of professional. athletes go broke I don't want you on.

that list where are they now yeah where. like yo this money you're 20 M when you. 55 how much money you going to have left. that's the key especially living life if. you living a lifestyle right now don't. you want to live that lifestyle for the. rest of your life I mean I don't want to. be poor I've been poor hey I know what. it's like to eat raccoon pawsum sardines. V sausages pig ears pig tails pig feet I. don't want to eat that no more CH unless. I want to I don't want to have to eat it.

out of necessity hey well listen I I I. got to have my pig feet P you you pig. feet I do oh yeah I do I got Pig feets I. I I I get them I go to a great Soul Food. place here called K and K okay I get me. some pig ears uh not pig ears pig feet. yeah I got to have my neck bones you see. I love some neck bones oals oh octs. that's that's the specialty I love me. some oxtails yeah you got to get some. yams you got to get some collets I mean.

but I you know when I like I say I. started and I tell them I yo man I've. been in your situation I wasted money on. cars and then you're like oh man cuz. when you waste money on cars you really. just trying to impress other people. correct that's what you're doing that's. like when I when I used to have nice. cars they said what kind of rims you. going to put on it I said what do you. mean they're like put some rims on it I. said so if I put rims on it I'm really. trying to impress other people because I. actually can't see the rims when I'm in. the car that's what I I said you know I.

can't see the rims when I'm in the car. so I'm really that's what doc said he. said so you're really trying to impress. other people you don't have to impress. people they already know who the hell. you are is it because Charles a lot of. us come from single family homes we. didn't have anything and this the first. opportunity because we don't see the. other side they don't I I don't think PT. Manning went out and bought a Rolls Roy. I don't think guys when they when they. obviously they have nice homes and they. but I'm saying cuz all I wanted I wanted. when I I was like man I'm going when I.

saw Miami B and I saw that Ferrari I. said I'm get me one of them and Rolex. they I said I got to get me I so I. wanted to like that was my way of saying. I've made made it yeah and Herm Edwards. who's somebody I really like and admire. he says you can have one. car you don't need five you don't need a. bunch of houses no he says I live by one. model you need one that's good enough. and uh like I say and and and the young.

black kids and I'm talking to them man. save your money yes you and another. thing you don't have to take care of all. your family and friends for some reason. black people myself included uh I used. to be like my financial people told me. why are you taking care of seven eight. people I like well he said no no no no. no you don't have to take care of. everybody right cuz you're going to go. broke mhm. you know uh so no I tell these young. kids yo man if you want to do something. nice for your mom and dad you want to do.

something nice for a brother or sister. that's fine they don't have to be on the. payroll right you don't like no you. don't owe them that was their job to. take care of you but if you want to do. something nice for him that's fine Grant. Hill his mom yeah rest in peace gave me. the best advice ever I said cuz we were. at the Olympics actually here in Atlanta. in '96 and her and Calvin had came down. for a couple games they said uh well. Chuck we we we going to be here a couple. days and we got to get back to work and. I says Grant just signed the first $100.

million contract in NBA history she says. sit your ass down Charles I said Miss. Hill he says Charles I'm G just give you. some advice do not start taking care of. your family and friends because number. one they never going to stop and it's. going to ruin all your relationships I. said what do you mean he says when you. start giving people money they're never. going to ask you for money one time. right but he said she said the second. thing is no matter what you do for them.

the first time you tell them no they. hate. you and I said what and and I had to. learn people I have been giving money to. the first time I told them no they like. no no no we're not friends anymore that. was a tough and painful lesson for me it. it it absolutely is because that's why. you have to put limits on what you give. because they'll never put limits on what. they take that's exactly right but it's. like that with anything Charles you and. I can go out here right now we can sign. 25,000 autographs but if we don't sign.

25,000 in one sharp and Char Barkley. so but I had to learn that. too I'll sign some autograph but I'm. like yo I'm done you oh okay I'm good it. don't affect me anymore cuz you know. like I said somebody said earlier. everybody wants to be light yes because. every I hear guys well I I don't care. what people think think about me yes you. do stop being an you care like. especially if it's like if they don't. have a reason now that's different but.

everybody wants to be like but you can't. make everybody happy can't you like I. say after. games I would stop and sign I had a Ru I. signed 10 m it's 20 people I said guys I. got to go get something to eat I'm I. said I'm G sign 10 that's it and they're. saying some stuff when you leave but. you're like okay we're good I I don't. feel bad I signed 10 I did what I was. supposed to do I'm going to keep it. moving who's your MVP this. year well there's five guys I think you.

can vote for and feel like you ain't. screwing anybody okay uh Shay gildas. okay cuz they got the best record in the. west. Joker Jaylen. Bronson an. Edwards and Luca I think you because the. one thing I will say ESPN annoys me. about. first of all they they they they make up. these fake stories about MVP the MVPs.

never went to the best player never no. it goes to the best player uh on on the. best team uh because nobody in their. right mind thinks Steve Nash is better. than sha and Kobe right but they had the. best regular season record when he won. MVP he deserved it Steve Nest deserve. MVP um Michael Jordan was the best. player before he started winning MVPs. but until he started winning he wasn't. going to get MVPs correct uh so I hate.

that argument like I say if you vote for. any of those guys I was like that's fair. right like um Derek Rose won it one year. over LeBron he deserved it the Bulls had. the best record that year was he as good. a player as LeBron no but they had a. better record um the same thing with uh. even KD who's a great player he won MVP. he they had to best record that year but. it always normally goes like I said if. you vote for Shay or or Luca or a joker.

but what I I actually think what Bronson. did this year for the Knicks was. incredible yes to get them to the second. seed without Robinson being out most of. the year without Randle most of the Year. OG was out for a period of time but uh. what Luca did so uh it's it this is you. know I think me and Magic had the. closest vote ever. I think this is one going to be the. closest one ever wow who's your who's.

your favorite non NBA. athlete that's a great. question it depends on the. sport like in golf right now my favorite. player is probably Max Homer okay. because he seems like a great. kid and he he tries he doesn't take. himself that serious. okay uh in football is Aaron Donald who.

just. retired in baseball is probably Mike. Trout. okay uh in. tennis Robbie Shelton okay uh I think. that's his name Shelton I forget there. another golfer name Shelton I get him. confused sometime. but man I just love. sports cuz Sports.

man I have zero. idea where I would be in my life without. that stupid little round. ball. because it it is did so much for me like. I said you go up grew up in a town of a. couple thousand. people I have been all over the. world I'm sitting here on Club sh Shay. like if it not for that. basketball it has given me every single.

thing in my life cor I'm so lucky and. appreciative because I have Z like I was. able to build my mother and grandmother. house wow I was able to. send my brother's kids to. college I have been I mean I mean I've. been all over the world because of the. stupid little basketball and and I can. make up something where I would be. without basketball but it probably if. I'm. real it won't a damn sure won't be as.

good but I don't know if it'll be pretty. cuz I'm not going to get out here and. see like act like I was a great student. I'd be working somewhere you know and. you know doing something with yeah but. man that ball I mean I'm pretty sure you. know all the success you've had as a. player and in entertainment industry. like it's all originated from that yeah. all yes and we're so because you know. what I tell people all the time I admire. people who got a real job but I don't. want one no growing up growing up like.

how we grew up Charles it let me know. what I didn't want to do as an adult. because if it's BR breaking as a child. can you imagine as adult doing that for. 12 14 hours a day and no and not even. making money no no I was. like cuz people say what do you think. about sometime during the game I say I. said when I get tired I think about man. if you don't get some energy for some. where 9 to5 don't sound good N 9 to5. don't sound good at all I never want to.

work 9 to5 I mean I said I said I admire. people who work n and especially like. when you seeing somebody doing I. shouldn't say this doing somebody's. doing a job yeah you're like. damn working two jobs yeah well no but. when I see somebody like when I'm when. I'm in Phoenix it's like 115 degrees and. I said and they working outside I'm like. oh hell no no or you see somebody. working in the winter and it's cold C he. like damn right I says woo I'm glad I. handled my business how many more years.

you think LeBron's going to play and can. he continue to play I mean he averaged. 258 and seven in year 21 how many more. years can he play and how many more. years can he be play at the level in. which he's currently playing I hope he. retirees. soon. because I hated the way I retired cuz I. sucked no. uh Jim Brown is really and he retired.

cuz he didn't want got tired of playing. football and he didn't want to he he. wanted to act yes yeah like cuz he. wasn't making any money no he didn't. want to just kill. himself there's no it ends badly for. every. jock it ends badly for every job getting. in is easy it's the getting out hard and. your ego says you can still do it cuz I. remember telling myself my last two. years. okay I'm going to get myself in great.

shape this summer I'm going have a good. year then I'm going. retire then I R figured out like playing. against. air everybody's good against. air everybody is great against air but. when you see another when that 25 year. old is looking at you. like licking his lips you're like. oh and like there's nothing you can do. like when you working out during a.

summer and ain't nobody playing defense. on you and you in great shape and but. when you see that 25 27 year old and. he's looking at you like yep I used to. watch you I'm coming for you right and. there's nothing you can do about it but. to answer your. question I hope he retires while he can. still play because man I've been there. myself I saw Patrick Yan his last legs. saw Michael Jordan playing with the. Wizards yeah Patrick I mean I mean.

Patrick and Orlando Mike I was like. that's the greatest player I played. against I don't want to see him doing. that with the Wizards. so uh I I I don't want to see any. great play when he they they passed. their Prime how do you navigate because. you were a great player you won MVP you. went you played won two gold medals how. do you navigate Charles when you offer a. critique or criticism of a current NBA.

great and they shoot back well you ain't. never won anything what did you do this. and what did you do that how do you. never G that well you got be able to. Dish it and take it the one thing I'm. really proud of and I hang my head on. this I've never been personal with a. player right I only stick to basketball. mhm I only stick to basketball I would. never come in on a guy's personal life I.

now sometimes they get in trouble I have. to say something you have to but I have. I can I can look at a guy and say hey. man cuz I get calls all the time from. players and agents I said I'll tell you. why I said that and they're like okay I. said I said this what pissed me off too. Shannon you know man why y'all never. call me when I said something. positive I said wait a minute I said. nine great things about.

you why do you never call me when I say. something positive and I say one. critique and you blow up my phone. calling me names I had this thing with. Kobe Bryant one. night so it was a game where he wouldn't. shoot right against Phoenix game seven I. think because you guys told him he shoot. too much yeah well he was trying to. prove a point yes I ain't got no help so. he went he went the whole second half. shot one time and I and I again I said.

ernesty what I said man I'm so. disappointed I'm so disappointed in Kobe. he was trying to prove a point that he. didn't have any help he shot one time in. the second half and you know at that. time they were comparing to Michael I. say Michael when he played against the. Celtics he's like I got to get 60. something I'm gonna get it whatever he. not going to pout Kobe star is texting. me you mother. you. mother I said yo man I'm doing my job BL.

you such a. so we go back and. forth for so about this time it's about. 1: in the. morning we go back and forth for like 2. hours I said yo man pick up the phone. and call me stop. texting and it it was it was it was. great we laughed about it later he was. mad at the moment he understood I'm was. doing my job but it was so funny we text. each other for two hours sh and it was.

just mother told and I'm and I'm just. like I'm not gonna get get mad at dude I. dude call me pick up the phone but it. was hilarious we laughed about it later. I'm going get you out here on this. Charles this is the first time in a very. long time that people that's in our. position have had to comment on the. discourse sometimes that's what's going. on in America we see the Trayvon Martin. we see the George Floyd we see what. happened in in Wisconsin and now all of.

a sudden you and I we have to comment on. that where when you played and I played. politics religion orientation we talked. about that might maybe mentioned that in. the locker room without the media or. without the purview of the uh uh the. public hearing about it how do you. navigate knowing that you came from. Alabama knowing that what goes on in. America that sometimes it's racism. sometimes it's racist how do you. navigate navigate your conversation that. you disseminate to the. public that's a really good question.

because I'm asked that sometime with my. boys the first thing is it's exhausting. being black yes it's exhausting being. black like we're trying to live our. lives be. successful then Trayvon Martin happen. mhm we got to talk about. it unfortunately that was awful. situation then we get back in our. routine then George Floyd's happened M.

we got to talk about it. correct you know you know I was talking. to Sam Jackson one time he like he's. like yeah I'm trying to make a moovie. they asked me like do you like nobody. got nominated for an. Oscar so as a black person something. always coming up. mm for me personally is I said I have to. like take a step back mhm because the. one thing you can't do is yell and. scream correct cuz once you yell and. scream they're like turn it off turn it.

off and I say. guys let's have a serious conversation. but I need you to be I need my girl just. Judy I'm a big Judge Judy fan she always. says you're listening but you're not. hearing me right I said I need you to. hear me don't listen to me hear me those. are two different things listen to. understand yes and I'm not hey and I and. I'm not mad at you you but I need you to. understand this is happening mhm and. it's just exhausting being black because.

every time you're trying to do your. thing or just live your life something. racist or racial happens cor I try to do. this one thing I try to like don't ever. speak when you're. mad don't yell and scream cuz I know if. I yell at you you're going to ignore me. yeah you going to turn me off ignore me. yep so for me and you and stepen and. Mike. Wilburn.

man I need y'all to trust. me because sometime people play the race. carard when it's not. playable because then you become the guy. who going to cry wolf all the time the. one thing I promised. TNT when I took this job cuz I told him. the social stuff is really important to. me mhm it's really important to me right. I said I won't beat you over the head. with it all the time mhm because if I. beat you over the head with it all the.

time they're going like I'm not going to. watch pretty soon you'll become. desensitized it's not going to have the. same impact yeah I just he if every time. something happen he going to talk about. race or something like that and I think. I've done a good job I says I want to. talk about this I want to talk about. this and but I think we have to be very. selective I do I think we have to be. very selective because man racial have. them all the time for sure all the time. mhm and I want people to see like.

Shannon Charles Stephen. A they gonna be fair and balanced that's. it that's all so that's the only thing I. try to do in this situation like yo man. Chuck ain't just trying to play race or. trying to uh Stir It Up Stir It Up or be. a victim I says cuz cuz the one thing. you have to always say like sometimes. black people are wrong and then I know. I'm going to be an uncle Tom I'm going.

to be a sellout yeah I said listen man. those words don't bother me we don't. have to agree with all black people we. don't but they think we do yes they. think we do I said yo man sometimes. black people are wrong and it's okay. it's okay and it's okay to say they're. wrong but but but no but if you a black. person in our position look at that. Uncle Tom look at that sell out I'm like. yo man we can be wrong that goes back to. we talked about. earlier I always want to uplift black.

people right. always I want like I'm proud of your. success and I know people going to hate. on you I know people going to hate on me. and they going to be black I said but. man I love to see black people doing. good I love to see us win I love it but. I was like I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm old. enough and I'm around enough to know. there going to be some hate coming. toward me especially if they disagree. with some I say right but I want you to.

win but I don't want you to win more. than me now see if I if you win more if. you win more than me now I got the. question your sexuality I got to. question you know how black are you. because bro I'm like come on man I mean. I criticize white quarterbacks but if I. criticize a black quarterback a man see. I should have know oh old buck buck. dancing Shannon I know he he GNA keep he. going to take care of the come on bro no. man and and number one I I've been. watching for a long time obviously I a.

never seen you try to get clickbait ever. no I see y man I I take I take this. responsibility cuz I do know but I'm not. going to tell black people they right. all the time no if you if you want that. I'm not if you wrong I got to tell you. you're wrong I said yo man no no no no. we can be wrong but but also on the. other hand when I see some happen to the. black a black player of the community.

I'm going step in right you know I I had. a uh you know it was interesting there's. a couple things happened recently that I. I talked to my mentors and friends about. uh one was OJ. Simpson and one was Michael Porter. Jr and I said I'm not sure how to handle. this OJ thing thing he said what do you. think I. says man I don't have any respect for. men who hit women and I think he killed.

them two. people I. says whether do you think he killed. those people or. not I think he did I said but I have and. I've always said this and not just. saying this to. you I have no respect for men who hit. women. okay and and I don't want to bash the. dude cuz he got a family and he died he. got.

kids and I said you know what I'm not. even going to mention. it and I didn't cuz I said I don't want. to just bash the dude CU I I can't say. anything positive yeah was he a great. job yes but when you go around beating. women and like that I just kep I got no. respect for you right and then the. Michael Porter Jr. thing but the WNBA no no Michael Porter. oh oh oh about his brother yeah both. brothers bro yeah one got a DUI and I. think he killed somebody right he did he. killed somebody and the other brother.

took the under on himself yeah and I. feel I feel his. pain I feel his parents pain yeah I feel. that as a jock cuz in it and and this is. one thing I look at sports it's the. greatest fraternity ever I feel like. everybody in the. NFL anybody anybody in uh Major League. Baseball and NHL hockey I think they're. part of my family MH I like like they. know my. experiences and so I was saying man I.

really want to wish Michael Porter Jr. let him know that I'm thinking about him. I wish his family the best and my friend. says you know man that lady did. die and I was like yeah you got a point. there like cuz if I said hey man I wish. you the best. I'm thinking about you mhm cuz I know. that it's got to be painful for his. family with his brother and his other. brother going to jail not is paying for.

that family that lost their loved one. yes cuz he can go to jail and hug him he. can go to the his brother's home and hug. him they can't go to the graveyard her. and I said Chuck shut up on both. accounts yeah so I always think about. cuz you know it always makes me laugh. cuz my friends like yo man you got these. people eating out your hand I said what. you talking about he says you know the. reaction before you say it I says of. course I do I know when I'm on Start the. Fire I know it because but I had planned.

on the St because most of the time that. goes back to the role model commercial I. made yes yes so when I made the. commercial I went to Nik said I want to. make this commercial I said there like. you out of your mind I said no I said. what I'm noticing is we have two many. segregated schools in this. country I said when I go to these white. schools I said what do y'all want to do. when you're grow up they like want to be. doctors lawyers Engineers teachers when. I go to these black Schools they're like. I want to play in the NFL I want to play.

the NBA and I was doing this when you. you do a lot of speaking when you play. so I was doing this for like four or. five years and I was like yo man these. black kids think they can only be. successful through Athletics and. entertainment y they don't never think. about being doctors lawyers and. engineers and like that right so I. talked Nike in doing the commercial and. it became a big deal you did still. probably the thing I'm most proud of to. this day I said cuz I knew it was going. to start a fire. MH and I was like guys I'm not trying to.

skirt responsibility but I want young. black kids to know like yo man you don't. have to play in the NFL or the NBA we. got black doctors right we got black. lawyers we got black Engineers but y'all. got these kids thinking like all they. see is Shannon Michael Carl Chuck David. Robinson the only black people they see. are jocks and entertain Jay-Z that's man. they got a better chance of being a doc. than the laer playing J or Lebron yes. and that's said I just want to spark the.

debate and In fairness of Nike Nike came. back to me later and said man we want to. thank you for making that. commercial uh I said and I said because. 90% of the letters we got were Pro I. said well first of all I'm not worried. about a negative publicity mother I play. in. Philly I said I I I thought my name was. Charles Bary you mother for the first. two years of my I said I said guys I'm. in Philly I'm used to criticism but I.

always have used my platform for a. bigger debate yes I'm trying to make a. difference you know one of the things. I'm proud of you and I don't talk about. this a lot and I'm not trying to get. praised because I keep it very quiet so. for the last 15 years I've been given a. million dollars a year away to charity. okay and I don't even tell anybody I'm. just I'm sharing this because I'm going. to tell you why I'm proud of you you so. I started out in my high school my. college Wounded Warriors ALS Parkinsons.

but the last eight years the point I'm. getting to I've did HBCU okay it means a. great deal to me to be able to do that. right and you being a product when I. watch you and Stephen A when y'all go. back to y'all. HBCU I just think it's really. important what y'all do for the HBCU and. it really makes me feel good when I. write that check cuz you know we got a. couple of them here in Atlanta uh I. think three of them are here in Atlanta. Clark moh house and Spellman but man I I.

just want to use my platform to keep. doing good stuff but you know just being. a product of HBCU how far you've came. I'm really proud of your success. appreciate it and I think the thing is. what that does is that you think about. three of the most prominent morning. voices myself and Stephen A Michael. straan yes with the HBCU he's a Texas. Southern I'm Savannah State Sten a. Winston Salem so it show it goes to show. you you don't have to go to Syracuse you.

don't have to go to Michigan or one of. the pwi in order to do what we're doing. because we're living proof of that I. think the thing also that role model for. me I was very very fortunate because. every role model I had was in my house. yeah my brother my grandfather my. grandmother so I didn't look athletes. didn't that because I saw them every day. yeah you see somebody jumping up and. down on the basketball court and. catching the football you really don't. know that person you know what that. person does yeah I knew what they did I.

mean you know the sport they play I saw. my brother every day I saw my my. grandfather my grandmother so that's. what I I follow my brother around yeah. so I wanted to be just like him yeah and. I was like man if I could be like him. and my sister it drove my sister crazy. Charles because she was like shanon be. your own man why you want to be like him. but as I got older and I remember. telling I said everything I everything I. want to be is like yeah well what's. crazy about it and you know this and. unless you've been in Pro Sports you.

don't know this man there's so many hoes. in our. sport like all you got to do is be nice. to the press and they G to write good. stuff about you yes in my I've been in. this thing for 40 years over 40 years. some of the worst people I've ever met. got the best. reputations because they're great with. the press press and some of the some of. the people who got the worst reputation. are some of the best dudes in the world.

and I said and it's all dictated if. you're nice to reporters and they got. access to you they going to be right oh. he is the greatest guy and I tell people. I said man you don't know these guys at. all right and I it drives me crazy I. said all you I say if you got it always. I saids there's a reason they want to. keep everything in the locker room cuz. you don't want to know what's going on I. said yo man this dude got the best. reputation he's the worst person I've. ever been around Charles how have you. been able to. keep your husband father how have you.

ever how have you been able to keep that. so. hush well cuz I I. was was not a good. husband and I want to be better next. time I do. uh I have been. uh my. daughter is been the best thing ever. happened to. meh but the next stage of my life I. think I got to be better MH I do need to.

be better. but cuz I didn't know I didn't know how. to be a good husband or father because. you didn't have you because your father. was away he wasn't in the home he wasn't. a good father. and I I I just need to be better and I I. hope to be better next time I want to. ask you this because this is something. you you know Mike uh Mike has there's a. situation Michael son Marcus is was I.

don't know if he currently still is. dating Scotty's ex-wife yeah how would. you feel if a teammate of. yours dated your. daughter would you feel some type of way. hell. yeah hell. yeah. I that is a. really I feel bad for. Michael I feel bad for Scotty. yes that is so.

messy I don't like. messy uh. because when it's messy everybody has an. opinion on. it everybody has an opinion and you know. the internet is not a place for Messi no. and you have to. understand it's a lot of kids involved. yes and people are. mean people are. mean and and that's unfortunate you know.

I just got into social media because I. didn't want to be around the. meanness and I feel bad for everybody. involved because you I see all the. pictures uh I don't do the comment stuff. but I know they going to be mean right. uh but it's just a I I just hate messy. and it's just really messy. and there are no winners uh there's only. losers MH. because obviously Michael and Scott's.

relationship can't ever be the same. right did you know did was it the last. dance when Michael put that that because. he wasn't there at the time when Scotty. refused to go in the game yeah and he. inserted that until the last dance did. you always know that that Scotty and. Michael had this kind of contentious. relationship because from the outside it. like it it looked pretty good yeah I was. surprised it was so bad okay I was. surprised but in fair I didn't spend a. ton of time with those guys together I. spent a lot more time with.

Michael a lot more time with. Michael uh you know it it's just a sad. situation because I think if you not. that I know but I'm you know if you went. a championship with guys y'all probably. have a special bond for life oh yeah. yeah yeah yeah I think if you win. six y'all might as well y'all should be. brothers Brothers I like so like I say.

you know if you win one Championship I'm. pretty sure every time y'all get. together cuz you got the you going to. have the reunion every every five five. year 10 year 15 20 30 yeah but if you. win six together y'all should be damn. near Blood Brothers yes so that's the. thing I most feel better there's guys I. didn't wear with some they some of my. best friends every time I see him it's. like man I got another brother and like. we bumping each other at at allar game. May the hall of fame ceremon or we just.

bumping each other it's like a family. reunion right but if I had won six. Championship with somebody I would. think man we blood brothers for life. when when people that do what we do take. shots at you I mean you had the the. funny back and forth you and Shaq had. the funny back and forth you put. Kendrick per Perkins face on the. punching B and you you punching it you. getting in shape I mean how do you how. do you handle that when when guys that. do what we do take shots at you yeah it.

doesn't bother me cuz cuz I guess. technically we take shots at Players. right I the only problem that I had with. what Kendrick. says there's nobody in the world watch. more basketball than me. mhm uh I tell you like and I had just. come out of March magic with piss off. even more cuz I was watching two or. three college basketball games a day. March Madness really sucks cuz I'm. watching games all day long right but.

the say another guys don't watch the. games because he has a different opinion. than yours yeah yeah and so that's the. only thing bothered me I can say I say. there's nobody in the world watch more. basketball than me so but I don't get. mad right and the thing is really funny. about it Shaq is so sensitive at times. right cuz cuz I was going to like Let It. Go and he's like no no no my mama told. me growing up we kill all.

roaches and I said like so that's how. the whole roast thing came up right and. so anytime anything happen right now. Shaq's like we killing. roaches and Shaq is so crazy he made a a. rap this song yeah and but I don't take. it like I really the only person I've. taken I said honestly is is skill Bess. because man what we do is such an.

honor I don't think you can say stuff. just to say it because my whole going. back then I say man there's somebody in. Montana Maine South Dakota if I said. something bad about these guys they're. like well I saw it on television it's. got to be true right so I'm be like man. I'm not going to say anything about a. player especially if it's personal. there's somebody in Montana or South. Dakota gonna say well you know Charles.

barin said this guy was blah blah blah. so I'm never going to use my platform. for negativity for negativity I'm going. to get you out on this one you once said. that you probably lost about 20 million. in Gamblin have you quenched that urge. to gamble or do you still like to gamble. I love to gamble I don't like. gamble you know I. got I got to the point. so I would go to.

Vegas and I'd win a million dollars damn. how mean what you playing a hand 25. 340,000 I play 25,000 a half okay yeah. couple quick Double Downs you can get. that yeah and quick double down you get. it up out your pockets there's probably. been. seven times that I woron a million. dollars okay but there's probably been. 25 times I've lost a million.

right uh so what happened was I quit. gambling for two years and I always take. the same group of guys from me and I. said man I miss gambling they're like. why don't you start gambling again I. said well man I was getting out of hand. they're like yo man your gambling ain't. getting out of hand you just a idiot. right and the one thing I pride myself. on around my friends they can always be. honest with me I said why you say I'm a. idiot they like yeah man we'll be.

sitting there you'll be up3 $400,000 we. like. Chuck let's go you good for the night. right and in my head I'm saying no we're. not leaving this mother I win a million. dollars right and they said dude there's. times you've been up6. $700,000 and you won't quit right. because gamble is really just Peaks and. valleys it is it's just Peaks and. valleys it's the stock market yes that's. all it is and they're like.

dude why can't you win $300,000 and say. man we had a great weekend why you got. to win a million and I said what they. says why can't you lose 300 and say we. still had a great. weekend and I says are you serious right. now he saids man you know I ain't going. to lie to you. let's win a couple hundred thousand have. a great. weekend go home go home or lose two or. 300 you ain't got to win a million or.

you ain't got to chase it and lose a. million and so to answer your question I. said yo man we're going to Vegas for the. weekend we going to lose a couple. hundred th000 or we going to win a. couple hundred th000 you know what we. going to do we going to play golf every. day and get drunk every night right and. I had to change my mentality because you. can never break the casino no no no they. can break your yes and my friends just. sit me down and say yo man let's just go. have fun for the weekend let's win some.

money or lose a little lose a little bit. but yeah but but that's that's what. really happened when I would lose a. million I was so depressed not that the. money yeah that's yeah because. of the money but the losing but the but. the winning never feels as good as the. losing hurt yes you you so excited when. you got all that money laying in front. of you but you're like depressed for a. week yeah you're like damn I lost I lost. a.

million and then you have to send the. bill till you find out your people uhoh. and they yell at. you and you they yelling and yelling and. yelling and then I says hey y'all better. quit yelling me I'mma fire. y'all and and then they're like okay. we'll pay it but that's what really. happened I was getting out of hand cuz. like you you just had your point was so. good no matter how good it feels winning. when you lose it just sucks you really.

doing AIC no I'm doing mararo mararo. I've lost uh so shanon when I got new. hips okay so you got both of them. replaced yes I got both of mine replac. yeah the best thing ever it like night. and day I hate that I waited so long me. too so I played at. 250 I got up. to two three three 55 what yeah was good. 355 yeah I was good good eating too. brother good eat so I got up to.

355 and I was with one of my. friends he had lost a lot of weight and. he said um I said yo man how you lose. all that weight he said yo man I want. you to go see my doctor if you're trying. to lose weight and I started doing ajaro. and I got I went from. 355 to two uh 2 85 wow and I'm going to. get to. 270 uh just take a shot it's. unbelievable and.

um obviously I can't stay on it my whole. life but when I get to 270 that's you. can work then I can work but like I said. when I got them HS man I gained 105 lbs. wow yeah I was up to. 355 and uh now I'm 285 and I want to get. to 270 cuz my doctor like you 270 you. going to be all right you know if you. 300. 3 20 20 like you got to worry about. diabetes stroke hypertension and things. like that ain't a whole lot. of old no no he told me she told me her.

name she a she she ain't no fat old. people yeah ain't no fat old people so I. want to get my weight down cuz you know. you know it it's interesting and. difficult and man I'm 61 MH it's weird. getting. older and I'm glad to get old right but. the alter yeah but I want to be healthy. I'm back to playing golf all the time. now I'm back to working out but that's. the main thing man I I want to be here.

Charles Marky ladies and gentlemen thank. you thank you man. honle P the price want a slice got the. roll of dice that's why all my life been. grinding all my life all my life been. running all my life sacrifice hustle P. the price want a slice not the the dice. this why all my life I've been grinding. all my life. [Music].