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I think you got the paparazzi on speed. dial. >> But you were photographed with Jenny Ma. >> I was simply telling her about the plot. simply. >> of my movie K-pop. >> Y'all did all that at the club. >> with all that noise played in the. background. >> Yeah. And got home early cuz we both had. early morning. >> Her home or your home? >> Uh separate homes. >> Okay. >> Okay. All my life been grinding all my life. Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price, want.

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Shay. If you're in Beverly Hills, come. by for a drink in this elegant lounge. Now, on to today's episode. Stopping by. for conversation on the drink today is a. global superstar. He's one of the most. dynamic forces and he has one of the. most dynamic voices in modern music. He's one of the most recognizable face. in in hip hop, R&B, and soul. A ninetime. Grammy award-winning artist, a Billboard. top 100 artist, a crit a critically. acclaimed songwriter, chart topping. vocalist with billions of stream. Ren.

known renowned for his live musical. performances who plays multiple. instruments. A multi-talented musician, a drummer, a rapper, a singer, producer, director, entrepreneur, a father, and a. prolific philanthropist. Yes, Lord. Here. he is. Anderson Pack. >> How would I do you right? >> You did me right. Howdy. How you doing, bro? >> Came with a gift, brother. >> What we got here? What we got here? >> You know, I'm a businessman. I got a few. little business ventures. Okay. >> That's my club, Andes. >> Andies. >> and WeHo. If you want some live music,

some good good food, it's down the. street. >> And then I got my mints. >> Okay. You trying to tell me something, bro? >> Yeah. Well, you know, you drink a lot of. >> formulated too. Wham. >> I'm a real friend. I'm going to let you. know. >> Okay. >> You know, confidence to be shared. So, that's that's not just for fresh breath, but also it it uh it hydrates your. mouth. >> Yes. cuz it got honey, lemon, ginger, naturally flavored dietary supplements, >> and wham stands for wet ass mouth. >> Damn. >> So, that's going to get you right. >> Okay. I mean, >> whatever you use it for, whatever you. want to use it for. >> Well, I appreciate that, Andy.

>> I got you, bro. Hey, >> you got so much going on, man. Let's. Let's I want to talk, >> bro. Check this out. He got your movie, new movie, K-pops, your upcoming tour. with Bruno Mars, the romantic tour, and. you're turning 40. >> You got a lot going on this year, bro. I. am 40, huh, >> man? The K-pops, the romantic tour. Much. success and 40. >> Thank you. >> This yours? >> That's mine. >> That's good. Smooth. >> Yeah, real smooth. >> Yak.

>> 40. >> 40. >> What do you hope to accomplish 40 moving. forward that you didn't get accomplished. up until you turn this magic number? >> Um, I got to just stay on my health. I. got to keep getting checked up. And you. know that's the part when you hit 40 you. start [ __ ] start hurting [ __ ] that's. been hurting for a long time just kind. of like. >> hurts. >> worse I can't sleep it off like I used. to. So and you know my mom she on me now. you know I used I was a big smoker and.

and uh. >> I made a bet with her. >> that she couldn't stop drinking Diet. Coke. >> Okay. >> And um if she did I quit smoking if she. quit drinking Diet Coke and she called. my bluff and she stopped. So I'm over. here tweaking out. I ain't had a smoke. since October. >> You smoking cigarettes, you smoking. cigars, you smoking weed. I mean, what. were you smoking? >> Yeah, I was doing spliffs. So, like. tobacco and weed, but it was it was like. the essence of weed really. It was. really just sigawed. And um. >> man, I was doing that off and on for. years. And yeah, and you know, vocalist.

and. >> you know, you get older, you start I can. feel it in my chest. You know what I'm. saying? >> Yeah. And I'm like, I'm 40 now. If I. don't stop now, like I don't know when. I'm going to stop. So, I got I got to. cut it out. So, I I cut that out. I'm. still drinking a little bit. I did dry. January. Now it's wet wet March. And uh. yeah, I I just want to stay healthy, man. Stay healthy for the kids. And you. know, I'm 40 and I'm I'm I'm having cool. opportunities to help other people. I. got different platforms. I'm I'm. venturing out and telling different.

stories in different mediums. So, I'm. having a lot of fun with that. But I. think mostly is you can't get a lot of. the time back. So, my kids are still. young and I'm obsessed with work. And. when I could just stay still and hang. with my kids and be present, that's. really I think what I what I would want. to do more of now that I'm 40 and I get. 40 more years. >> Is that is that the like you said, is. that the goal now? Now, because your. kids are somewhat small, you're trying. to maximize the opportunity right now. Let me get as much done as I can because. they're not going to be this size.

forever and I want to witness. I want to. be a part of this. as they start to grow. old, I'm kind of want to taper this. thing back. But let me go full speed. ahead as fast as I can as long as I can. while they're this age because. eventually they're going to get bigger. and want to do thing more things. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I want to be able to. help provide and um also stay out the. way, let them do their thing and learn. But you go off and time doesn't wait and. kids get big and everybody's doing their. own thing and you come back and.

>> you're like, damn, I don't know what. you're into. I'm just you got to pick. catchup. And um I just I I used to be. into doing all kinds of different. things. And now I've got to be a little. more careful but about how I'm spending. my time. And I don't always have to do. every single thing. I love doing it, right? But I got to be real. conscientious of like, you know, how I'm. spending my time because I I'm not going. to get it back with the with my little. ones and with my family and my friends. You know, when you get older, you start. seeing people come and go. And if you.

don't invest in your relationships with. your family and your friends, uh it's. going to be tough to to keep them. They're like plants. You got to you got. to water them so they grow. >> Is that one of the things that you had. to learn that the sacrifice? Because you. know, in order to be great in this. business, it comes with certain. sacrifices. The greater the sacrifice, the greater the accomplishment. Or the. bigger the accomplishment, the greater. the sacrifice needs to be. But you also. have to understand like, wow, you said. it. My kids are not going to be this age. forever. People get older, things. change. So when did that realization.

happen to you? When did you have this. epiphany like, you know what, yes, I. want to do X, Y, and Z, but in the. process of doing X, Y, and Z, I'm really. missing out on a lot. >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean it I was touring. since I could remember and ever since I. became, >> you know, professional musician, this. was something I wanted to do with my. life. I was on the road, right? >> And it was around quarantine that. everything stopped, right? And before. that, I was on the road non-stop. And. when we was at the crib, it was just. like, all right, my kids were a little. older and I realized, man, I don't know.

what they're interested in. I'm in the. crib now. We can't do shows, >> right? >> I'm just in the house stuck. And so, um, it was it was a really a blessing cuz I. got to just really be there with my kids. and be present and be like, "What you. into?" And my my son at the time, he was. into two things. Uh, uh, uh, YouTube and. K-pop had taken over. His mom is full. Korean. >> Okay. >> And. >> I realized like, damn, I've been out the. house way too long. Like, you talking. about K-pop? What you know about Tupac?

>> You know, like the hell's going on in. this house and YouTube? And and I'm. like, I done paid for all these dance. classes and I got drum set. I got he got. a full studio. He didn't he he don't. want to play with none of that. So he's. like, I want to be Mr. Beast. And he's. like 8 years old at that time. And I'm. like, YouTube, what is this? And I'm. looking on YouTube and I'm like, oh man, this this kind of reminds me when I used. to make, you know, videos, home videos. with my older sisters and we used to do. skits and I was a he's a YouTube kid, but I was a TV kid. I grew up in front. of the TV, MTV, BET. like that's I was.

obsessed and I wanted to learn all the. dances and I wanted to reenact different. things that I seen and so um I started. tapping in with him and we started doing. skits in order to get his YouTube going. I was like you know what let's do some. funny skits you funny I got some. followers I can you know utilize me son. right. >> and uh we started making some skits and. I realized oh my god he's so funny man. this is great I'm I'm getting to bond. with my son he's super talented he's. like 5.0 you know, of me and I I just. want to do this all the time with him. Then I wanted to be a YouTuber more than.

him. >> and I was up late editing videos, trying. to get, you know, all this stuff. And. then um he's showing me the K-pop stuff. and I'm like, "Okay, son, but you know, Jackson 5 was a boy band, too, and new. edition." And I'm showing him different. things and I'm realizing, "Oh, I'm. becoming an old I'm a parent. I'm I'm. getting old because everything he's. into, I'm showing them like, you know, ain't nothing new under the sun and. that's sample that's this and they've. taken from this and and all that stuff.". And so, um, it was around that time I. realized, okay, it's about it's not. always about how much time you spend, but what you do with the time and being. present and quality, right? And, um,

>> uh, I just also can't stay still. And. when I was going through this whole. process, I was like, man, wouldn't it be. fun to write a script where I could put. all of these different experiences in. the movie? like like me coming up and my. background. My mom was Korean and she. was born in Korea, but she was uh also. black and was adopted. Didn't know our. Korean parents was raised by black. parents uh and took her to uh LA and was. raised in LA and that's where she grew. up. And we grew up black when she had. us, you know, me and my older sisters, we grew up in Oxnard, but we grew up in.

a black household. I didn't know. anything about my Korean heritage till I. met the the mother of my two sons and I. got introduced then and so I thought it. could be cool to maybe I if I didn't. know I had a son and that could be the. next K-pop star and and I started. thinking about a script and um that was. where the whole thing kind of the. genesis of the whole movie that I just. did K-pops came about but it was in that. time where I got to really be still that. I realized like man you don't you don't. get these these moments back. >> during this time is that when you found. out your your son um was as musically.

talented as you were and you said he's. like you 2.0 and are you okay with that? Cuz some you know sometimes people try. to steer their kids away from that. industry. If you're in Hollywood let let. him do something else or if you're a. professional do something else but you. seem to be okay with that because that's. sincerely what he wants to do and if. that's what he wants to do I'm going to. support you sir. >> Yeah. And I'm going to be involved in. the management and contracts and. everything. So I'm really okay with that. as long as I can be a part of um you. know collecting. No, no, but no, I'm. okay with it, man. It's honestly it it's.

like the the the craziest thing to. experience because. >> I I'm really a big super fan of him and. I'm and I just s sit there sometimes and. stare at him and he's doing things that. I can't do, right? He's playing guitar. I've always wanted to play guitar. Did. you not know he had these talents before. you sat down and like the uh uh uh the. uh the pandemic happened and you got an. opportunity to just sit down and observe. him and find out what he's actually. interested in. Did you not know he had. these talents? Did he never display them.

in front of you? >> Like you assume that it's in the blood, you know? Like you got to you got to. have some of this. I want you to have. some of this, you know, and but it ain't. nothing like it until you see it until. you see it really unravel and you see it. grow and maturate because he's I used to. really try to push it and I used to be. like trying to put sticks in his hand. since he was 2 years old and getting. drum set. I got him everything before he. was five. He had a whole studio and he. turned around and was like, I don't want. to do this. I want to play baseball. And. I'm like, baseball? What the hell?

There's not one athlete in the family. And now we at the baseball games and. he's terrible and we got to sit through. them baseball games, you know, baseball. longest. >> No. >> And it's just you got to support the. kids, but it's like why? Why? And so I. had to back up. And as soon as I backed. off, man, he started picking up. everything and playing guitar, playing. bass, um making beats, playing drums, doing everything, running circles around. me. And I'm like, "Who taught you this? How'd you, you know, and he just had to. find it is on his own, right?". >> And um I'm just in awe. It's it's.

amazing. I I knew that he had the. potential and and his mom's a musician, too, but it's nothing like seeing it. firsthand. And um I just become such a. little fan and he's the opposite of. that. He doesn't want the extras and I'm. very I I'm you know, you see. >> and he's very opposite and every time I. I get around him, I take him out my. phone and do that again, son. You like. I'm just his biggest fan. So, um it's. just one of my greatest joys to see him, you know, come into his own. >> The regular season is a wrap. The NBA.

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there will be nothing." Because, you. know, uh um some some people want their. stuff released because they have. hundreds and hundreds of unreleased. records. And some people like, "No, that. was not my intent.". >> Yeah. No, there's a few things in place, but you know, honestly, this was another. thing I did in quarantine. I got really. bored. Got a bunch of tattoos. I got to. get out the house. I'm going to get a. chest piece. I'll be back. I'm, you. know, it was stuff like that. And then. this was something that I I was, you. know, at the crib and seeing all these. different things going on and just got. triggered and was like, you know, I'm.

going to get this. This is this. something fun I could put on. And um. yeah, I got different things, but you. know, I'm going to be gone. I don't. care. Y'all do whatever y'all want at at. the at the end of the day. I'm I'm gone. And I I do I have a lot of music that I. haven't put out. But a lot of it is. because. >> I need to find the proper posture and. place for these songs. I'm very. put out in the order I want them to be. in, you know, sometimes I think it's for. a different project and I have these all. these different musicalities. So,

>> um, for someone to go and take that. stuff and start putting it out and doing. different things with it, um, >> it's hard because they're putting it. out, but they don't have your vision. You see, you can see, okay, this is. supposed to go here, this supposed to be. releases that, that's supposed to. release that. They're just releasing it. because it's songs. You saw that with. Prince. You see this with uh Mac Miller. and Pops Smoke and Juice World. We see a. lot of of that. >> come and you know to to their credit a. lot of sometimes the people that are.

releasing stuff they they have these. projects done. A lot of the people are. close to these people like I know like. with Mac you know his with his estate. and his mom and his brother very close. and very meticulous how they put out. stuff. >> cuz I think Pop Smoke was working with. 50 at the time so it it made sense. >> Yeah. So it's like you kind of you want. to see these projects through. Right. >> Um, but it's not always like that. And. um, you know, for me in particular, >> um, I heard someone say, you know, you. you should die empty. So, I've been. trying to like really get over, >> you know, holding on to stuff. I want to. get it out. And so, even even doing.

this, man, sitting down with you and, you know, being able to to talk and and. do all stuff, I used to be really. apprehensive with that, but it's like, you know what, you know, let's do it. I've had a lot of artists on and and and. the the consent is kind of varying of. how they feel about streaming because. you look at a guy like Prince and Prince. like all this stuff. He's like, "No, I. don't want no part of this." And then. you see some guys like, "Hey, we make. you can make good money on streaming.". And I guess streaming is kind of taken. away from like selling of the hard. copies. Uh uh. And so where are where.

are you on streaming? >> I think Prince was very important. because Prince knew his worst. And. Prince didn't put his stuff out all. willy-nilly. Didn't do YouTube. stupid. and do all that stuff. You couldn't get. Prince to just do what you wanted to do, right? >> And I think that's something that all. artists should really take in account. and admire. Um, a lot of us artists, we. willingly put our music out on streaming. when it became a thing and weren't. thinking about anything. Weren't. thinking about the proper ways to get.

paid, how we were going to be, you know, they just started where you can go and. see the credits on stuff, right? And um. me how I came up it was you used to save. up for weeks to to get a CD, you know, to get All Eyes on Me. I remember where. I was when I got that double CD, Life. After Death, Phone Thugs. Um. >> these were moments, you know, >> you look forward to going to Sam Goodies. and you, hey, put the headphones. >> first. Let me test it out cuz I'mma.

spend this 30. >> Yes. Make sure. or go to the mom and pop. and you could hear it and then have them. make you a cassette or an eight track. And that was like that was a thing back. then. >> I remember when I got my my booklet. stole out the car, you know, like. hundreds of CDs that I saved in this. thick booklet and I had all in order and. I knew all the producers and I would. nerd out and know, oh, this was produced. by this, this was written by this, and. these guys are this click and all this. stuff. I remember being excited about. Kanye West coming up because I was such. a nerd over Jay-Z that I knew that oh.

this producer's coming up and um that. made music valuable and it made music. like caviar. It made music um the. appreciation for music is because you. you it couldn't it was really it was a. process and and that process was a. journey and that's the beautiful thing. about it and it's great to be able to. just click on a stream and have the. world at your fingertips, right? But. there's a there's a whole journey that. gets skipped over and I think that um.

that's that's the tra like tra like. tragedy tragedy part about the whole. thing and and that we lost with the. music and now you know people making a. big fuss about AI and I mean a lot of us. artists just gave up all of everything. >> and so that was all of our data that was. all of our leverage right and so we're. still fighting to get paid equally and. all this stuff but a lot of us are still. putting our [ __ ] up on there just to hit. a billboard or whatever and play the. game and do all this stuff. But um I. think that.

um more importantly about however you. feel about streaming is how you feel. about you as an artist. And I think that. as artists, it would be great if we can. come together and form some sort of. union and form some sort of and do stuff. like how the the actors did when they. were seeing that things weren't done. right with uh the AI and everything and. they said, "You know what? Everything's. got to stop right. >> until we we talk about this." And I. don't think that's ever happened with. with the music industry, right? And I. know there's people like engineers and. rappers and um older rappers and singers.

and everybody that are trying to figure. out how they're going to be taken care. of even as far as retirement, right? And. so, um, I think that it's important for. us to maybe start moving in the. direction of trying to get some sort of. union and trying to, uh, have a. conversation about how people are going. to get paid properly, how people are. going to get taken care of properly. after they want for retirement and. things like that. Um, but yeah, as far. as streaming goes, um, I just I think. that.

I think that if there's a world that. people are clicking and they can't trust. anything that they see or hear, especially with AI and everything that I. think that it's going to make it more. valuable when you see someone that could. really play. When you see someone in. front of you pick up a pair of. drumsticks and play drums in front of. you, it does something to your body. when you see someone play guitar, sing, when you see someone do something with. their hands, it's gonna separate. Right. Right. And so, um, I think that, uh,

that's going to up the value of that. And so, I'm so glad that I was, uh, someone that spent hours working on a. craft. And I would urge all artists, whether you want to be on streaming or. not, to sit in a room and work on a. craft, something that you can learn with. your hands, something that you can do. without any computer. >> It's your favorite. Let me tell you. something. Don't be the guy using the. same shampoo for your head and your. beard. You're not going to see the. results you want and you're not saving. time. Truth is that one-sizefitit all. advice. It isn't for everyone. It's time.

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understanding because a lot of times if. you're not in said chosen profession, you don't understand. Being in the. spirits business, I knows what it takes. in order for you to have a spirit to, you know, choose the glass and choose. what you're going to be. Whether it. going to be a Kgnac or a whiskey or a. bourbon or a wine or a a a gin or a. tequila to understand that the three. tier system that you have it has to go. through a distributor before it gets to. the shelf. You understand as a musician, >> you play these instruments, you write.

these lyrics, and you do all of this. And so you're like, damn, >> for what they're paying on a streaming. service, everything that I've done, it's. not quite adding up, >> right? It's so it's like if you own a. restaurant, you knows what it takes. Like, man, why this steak cost $30? What, bro? By the time you have to do. all of this and to prep it and to get it. ready and to pay the service and the. cooks and everything. This is why. Yes. If you went bought the steak, it's $12. at the grocery store. But then you got. to cook it. >> Yes. And they ain't going to just ship. the steak over to the grocery store. You.

going to have to go there. You pay for. that. And people do, and they go for. years, and they know the quality is. going to be right. That's why Prince was. so special. That's why you don't got to. put your stuff on streaming. You can go. other ways. You can go direct. You can. figure out ways to just do, you know, special boutique things for your. artists. It might take a little while, but you can build things up. You know, artists, you know, have been doing it. and they're great artists that are still. doing it. I think there's new artists. that are trying to work out partnerships. and do things like that where it's not. just like we going to dump our stuff on. stream and then figure out the rest.

later because, you know, especially if. you ain't a writer, like I don't know. why you would go that route, >> right? Okay. So how do so how does how. do musicians like you make money uh uh. streaming, you make more money touring, you make money writing. So where is like. where where is where is the money to be. made? >> Um you make money being um creative and. not being comfortable. That's what I. feel like you. >> um you make the money comes when you. have a passion and a love for something.

which. >> Okay. >> And I think that that's first, right? Right. >> Um, >> I have a big love and passion for music, for entertainment, for hosting, >> for a lot of different things, right? And I'm I'm and I'm curious about a lot. of different things. So, the my genesis. starts within music. And that was all. about me learning how to produce. I. learned how to play the drums, which led. to me writing. And I learned, thank God,

I learned how to produce and learn how. to do something besides, you know what. I'm saying? So now I'm a writer, you. know, and so um a lot of. >> So that's a credit. >> Yeah. And that's a lot of where I get my. uh the income that I do make off of. music comes from there because I was. involved in the writing. I was involved. in the producing. >> Okay. >> Um and that led to a lot of different. things, right? And so but uh and then I. I play drums and I started a band. And. so my live show was a big thing for me. Okay. I wasn't just someone that was in.

the studio. Um I love being in the. studio. I'm a studio rap, but also. entertaining on the stage. That was. huge. And so I learned how to play drums. and sing somehow. And one of the first. things that kind of blew us up on that. was when I did Tiny Desk. And everybody. was like, "Who's this guy?" And this. guy, >> right? >> Because before that, they were like, "Oh, he's a rapper. He's a singer. He's. something this and that." But then when. they saw me do that, it set me aside and. it was like, "Wow, this guy's rockar. He. he could do he could do it all.". >> Yeah. And it put us in a different. >> different world and different rooms. So.

then we were doing festivals and we're. doing and all these different things. were bringing in different income. But. it started with me spending hours and. loving how to play drums and and so um. there is that. But then. >> touring slows down. Touring is very. expensive to do for especially if you. have a full band and you have to take. care of all these people and all. >> Yeah. You got to put them up. You got to. plan investigation. >> Everyone's got their whole things, right? And so. >> yes um you have to figure out creative. ways so that you can tour and still.

at least break even, but that's tough. So then it was like, man, um, okay, I. love doing this as well. But then when I. started um working with uh starting. different groups, and one of those. groups was Silk Sonic, and I met Bruno, and we started a duo, and and none of us. had to really go off and do a band with. anybody, but. >> it was like again, we were in this this. time. >> and we needed each other, and it was. great, and we bonded and we made. something so special. We're both from. the same cloth and during that time we.

were doing a residency in Vegas and I. was going into this speak easy called on. the record and I ran into this guy Eddie. Mack and Eddie Mack is like the. godfather of Vegas and he was on the. turntables and it wasn't like Sorado or. CJs. was real turntables with vinyl and. I was like, "Wow, I used to turn to I. used to DJ in high school and I and I. was asked him if I can get get on and he. let me on and we started picking vinyls. off the wall and man, I I I was in there. till like 4:00 in the morning DJing and. I loved it and he said, "You know what? Come back tomorrow. I'll make a crate.

for you. We can do it again." I came. back again and again and I was then I. started DJing all the after parties for. Silk Sonic and and then my team was. like, "Hey, you know, we can book you. for for DJing." And I was like, "Okay.". And um I started I was like if Eddie. comes I'm down. He can put he'll help me. put the crates together. He could be my. DJ sensei and I'll do some shows. And I. started doing little things and. eventually I I was DJing at Coachella. Then I was doing Met Gala and now I'm. opening for Bruno on his arena playing.

soccer fields. You know what I'm saying? And so um all that stuff comes from just. wanting to do it. And now that's another. revenue stream that I never would have. thought of. And it's lowkey like that's. the I've been doing that the most. And. it was fun because it was like, okay, when I DJ, I'mma throw on the bob and I. can have a different alter ego and I can. be up there doing stuff and then when I. go want to go to AP, I can be over here. with the drums and I can be with the. band. And um it was just ways that I can. just. get into different things and learn how. to master different things. And all.

those things come from being. uncomfortable and trying different. things and being able to do it when no. one's watching you. Have you ever thought about or would you. consider selling your catalog? >> Because we saw the Quincy Jones estate. just sold a lot of his catalog. The T. pay I had Tan on. He sold his catalog. and you see a lot of uh uh uh uh people. moving on selling their cataloges. Is. that something you would consider or. >> Sure. I mean [ __ ] if I'm down if I need. it THE MONEY THE MONEY. >> RIGHT. I need some more hits though. I. need I got somewhere to make and um.

>> Well, you can sell the catalog and make. some more hits and say I got another. catalog you want to buy. >> True. True. I think it's like, man, I. got I got a lot I want to do still. I. still own my pub, you know, all that. stuff. And so, >> you still own all that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And, um, you know, I've done. administrative stuff, but I've had a lot. of. >> older people and the right people in my. corner that gave me great advice when it. came to that. And so, um, I'm just going. to keep working and keep making more. stuff. I feel like the best is yet to. come with my music. Um, but, you know, I'm down to have the conversation if if.

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what what you love and what makes you. have fun and and and don't don't chase. the dollar. Don't chase every dollar. If. it's fun for you, if it feels good, do. it and things will lead. And um you. know, if you know you're not a business. person, there's nothing wrong with. empowering the people that you trust to. handle that side, >> right? You are an entrepreneur though. once you make the choice to be a. musician and be this is your means to an. end. This is what how you're going to. make your living. You just stepped into.

entrepreneurship, right? So at that. point you have a creative and the. business side. Some people can do both. Some people try to do both. They crash. and burn. Um but I think for me the best. thing that has worked for me is to. empower the people that I trust on the. business side so that I can be as free. as I want to be on the creative side cuz. I know I can handle that. And when I'm. very much open and free and creative. side, oh man, so much stuff can happen. And then you got to get people that can. really keep up with you and people that. are being proactive and that can see it.

before it comes and that know you well. and um are going to tell you the truth. and keep you grounded. >> In order for you to be as creative as. you need to be, you don't need to be. worried about this. You got somebody. that you trust that's handling that. So. now Anderson can be as as creative as he. needs to be in order to keep producing. these hits and coming up with that. situation. Yeah. There can be two. things, entrepreneur and the business. side. But where you're focusing on is. that I've empowered people that I trust.

that they got my best interest in mind. and they're going to do what they need. to do. So I can just have a laser focus. Now don't think I don't know what's. going on cuz I cuz I'm going keep. checking the books here and there just. to make sure. >> Yeah. And as you get older, you should. want to learn about stuff. learn want to. learn about the contracts. Want to learn. how how the business works on these. things cuz some things that I'm into. >> are have less to do with the creativity. and more to do with business, >> right? And so, um, and there's nothing. wrong with being a student in that and. learning and getting your ass kicked and. then coming back. you know, I I ventured.

into the the alcohol business and, you. know, that's no longer, but I learned a. lot from that first goaround and if I. want to go back into it, I know how I. would have to go about it, you know, and. so, >> um, yeah, I think it's you you should be. able to grow on both ends, but there's. nothing wrong with empowering people. >> How did you get started? Did you get. started? I mean, I I read somewhere that. you started doing weddings and I see. these old footage of when Bruno's Mars. when he was so so young and he's. performing with his family and you see. and you see old clips of the Jackson 5. and you see uh uh the Donnie Marie Osman.

and you see a lot of the a lot of these. >> olders started out as like kids. Yeah. >> So, how were you when you started? >> That was me. I wanted to entertain my. family. >> So, you've always wanted to be an. entertainer. >> Always. They would wake me up 3:00 in. the morning. Brandon, do the dance. Back. flip. do the impression and that was it. Every wedding, every like um you know. reception I was first in in there. busting a move, doing all this stuff and. um it just grew from there. That was. where I I really like started. And um.

when I started playing with my band, yeah, we did dive bars, we did weddings, we played so many shows, man, um for. nobody, for just for sometimes for. staff. And but it it it helped us cut. our teeth and we would split all that. money and um we go on to the next one. and that's how we got you know our buzz. within LA was just playing uh different. shows playing on the strip. Sunset strip. doing all that stuff and um really being. a band. >> Did weddings pay good money? >> Weddings are great.

>> because you got a band now. That's a. lot. You got to you got to divide that. up. The drummer get some. >> The weddings are still great. These are. still some of the best. You see these. videos where they be having they get so. and so to sing in there. I saw Bunby was. doing international players. That was a check. Best believe. >> you going that definitely. So they they. pay some of the best and th those are, you know, some of the funnest gigs too, man. People are having their time of. their life. That's their biggest moment, right? And um the weddings are great, you know, for that for reals and and.

they take care of you. You get the good. food. >> But you do you see a lot of I think I. saw Bruno Mars did was doing Someone's. Met wedding. I remember Mariah Carey and. you hear about a lot of these. They go. over and do these these princesses and. these kings their their king their sons. or daughters and things of getting. married and they perform and I hear. about the ch I'm like 5 million 8. million for like 30 Justin Bieber like. >> yes. >> for like 20 minutes 30 minutes somebody. paid five eight 10 million. >> exactly and [ __ ] man this [ __ ] is.

expensive out here man doing these gigs. and you know we be going on the road 30. 40 60 shows on one leg and so you know. to to do to get one of them gigs like. that. It's a blessing, man. >> Yeah. >> Um I don't know. >> That's an easy live too, huh? >> Yeah. I mean, you know, it's. you know, everything is it's requires. some sort of work and then also it's. like, you know, you are playing for. these people that you don't know and uh. you know, it could be it could be.

there's pros and cons, but um the check. could help you get over a little things. So when someone says they want you or. they want Bruno to perform a wedding, do. they give you a set and kind of or or do. you like set your own set or they give. you a kind of idea of kind of the. direction that they kind of want to go? >> Sometimes for the weddings they're going. to be. >> a little more uh strict on what they. want because they don't it's their it's. their day. It's not it's got to be their. perfect thing. So they might have some. suggestions. Could you please do this.

song? This is the song that we met. Um, could you please refrain from mentioning. anything about this? Don't play this. Um, you need to be here at this time. because they're going to walk and then. the Dubs go here and then you need to be. right there for this moment, you know? So, it's Yeah, it's it's a lot of that. stuff. You get the notes for sure. Do you think back I mean I I don't know. if you've had a conversation with Bruno. is that bro we started out doing. weddings small small venues and now.

we're selling out 60 70 80,000 seat. arena stadiums bro do you know do you. understand how fortunate just how. blessed we are do you have you guys had. that conversation. >> sometimes we get have a few drinks you. know a lot of the things with with me. and him I noticed is that we've been. going so fast, right, >> that sometimes we don't really get to. sit in and like take it in and be like, "Look at this. Look what we did." It's. like we rarely do that. It's like. >> it's not corny, but it's it's I just.

know personally with. >> He's in it. >> He's in it. Um, we're workaholics, but. we I remember when we were working in. the studio and we talking about stories. of us coming up and and how, you know, getting screwed over in music business. or working with this person and trying. to write this and working in this club, playing for receptions and all these. different things. We used to have long. conversations about that and we were. like, man, we're from the same cloth. came from the same thing and that's why. we're able to get along and do these.

things and we're a rare breed now and. it's super rare. I think it's super rare. that someone from that cloth that still. is from that Sam Giddy era that can play. all the instruments and and it's. important for him to put musicality in a. song. >> right. >> that can do those arenas still. >> Yes. >> Right. >> He's one of the best in the game right. now that is doing it on. >> all cylinders. writing, performing, singing, everything. Putting really an. entertainer. Yes. >> It's about putting on the best show. possible.

>> But there's a lot of people that do that. but can't pack those kind of rooms. arenas. And um God bless him cuz you. know he's doing it and he's also. reaching out and being like, "Hey, come. back with me and do this with me." And. it's dope because you didn't have to do. that. >> because you you started out you open for. him. >> Yeah. >> You did an album now. You're selling out. arenas together. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's beautiful. It's really. beautiful. And it's like um you know he. put together I think the the big biggest. show like to have Leon and Ray and. Victoria myself and then the hooligans.

Um it's I mean it's the hottest ticket. and I can't I can't do nothing for. anybody that wants a ticket. If I can. look in that camera please stop asking. me. It's sold out. >> I got you. Sh. >> Okay. Well I appreciate that. I. appreciate y'all coming to Vegas. >> You can double security and figure out. something. I'm going be. >> Are y'all coming to Vegas? >> We come to Vegas. >> I'll be there. >> Yeah. because I' i've seen him perform. >> and it's. >> I. >> That's the first show. >> Is it? >> Yeah. >> Well, I'm there. >> Yeah. Vegas. We. >> We there. >> We there. We.

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electric. What can the fans expect? >> Oh man, it's going to be beautiful. So. Bruno got me playing around 12:00 noon. Um I'm first up. So DJ Pee-Wee is going. to be the warm-up and I'mma I don't I. don't care what mariachi band you got. when I play the Douggee. >> Yeah, >> you're dead. >> I'mma do I'm I'm going really just get. the crowd ready, man. You know, like the. like it's going to be just like an. action-packed show and everyone's going.

to be like there just to see the best. experience of their lives. And um I'm. really excited to be able to be up there. with my boys Eddie and and Mo Betta on. on the trumpet and um you know they can. look forward to some big surprises. You. know I'm going to slip in my tunes. You. never know. Might be a few other tunes. so sonic and stuff. So um I'm excited, bro. It's going to be huge. >> It's it's always interesting like when. you release music, do you like call. around or do you like Well, who else is. releasing? Because when you you released. you guys did uh Silk Sonic, Taylor.

released LIKE WHOA, WHOA, WHOA. Can we. Can Hold on. I know we were really. supposed to come out on Tuesday, but we. going to push it back a couple of days. >> Deluxe, >> please. Is that And do you guys like when you go. like, "Okay, we're going to release on, let's just say for the sake of argument, the 17th.". >> Mhm. >> Do you call Do you call around like, "Well, is anybody else releasing on the. 17th?" Cuz you kind of want to date to. yourself, especially. >> Yeah. >> If it's her. >> Yeah. True. I've been in my next. release. I've been uh going into um.

what's the astrology? I talk to. astrologers. >> cuz the numbers is important. Okay. >> To me. >> So the days actually mean something. >> Yes. Yes. You know the retrograde, all. that stuff. So my next project I'm I've. been really planning with my. astrologologist. Okay. We going to do it. on this because it's landing on this and. and what will be for me is for me. I. don't care who else come out. It's going. to be right. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> Uh who have you worked with? Have you. ever worked with Taylor? >> I haven't. >> Is there anybody that you would like to?

Obviously, you know, you and Bruno are. doing great, but listen at you that you. love music so so much and you love being. with other great musicians. I don't. think you'll have a problem getting. along or working with anyone as long as. they're about that work and can help you. make great music because you're all. about making great music. And if they. can make great music, why not get. together and make better music? >> Yeah. The two that I' that I still. haven't worked with is like Beyonce, Rihanna. Oh, actually Jay-Z.

>> and um. >> But Jay-Z might be having something out. Isn't he head Isn't he doing something. in Philly? >> I know. Oh, the roots picnic. >> Yeah, >> I saw that. I'm trying to pull up. Yeah. Yeah. >> I mean I mean Jay I mean to get Jay out. the house. >> Jay about to drop some a. >> Yeah, >> he about to drop something. Jay been Jay. been sandbagging. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's probably a good time. right now. But yeah, I mean, and and. those are probably the the two or three, but um I be getting excited to work. with, you know, newer artists that that. are coming up that I haven't heard.

before. And um you know, every once in a. while I get hip to some artists. I'm. like, damn, who's that? And um that's. where it's at because, man, I I don't. worked with a lot of people, man. I've. been really blessed to be able to work. with with a lot of people. >> You know, Bruno out there making jokes. talking about, uhoh, I'm almost done, almost paid off. this debt. Yeah, man. He be. >> He good. He good, man. Good money. >> Um, >> you like to gamble? >> No. >> No.

>> I'll do it if there's nothing else to. do. >> So, what what's your game of choice? >> Um, >> blackjack, >> blackjack, craps. I'll play anything, honestly. Rock, paper, scissors. I don't. I don't mind. >> Um, especially if I'm losing. I'm I'm. going. >> You try to get it back. >> Get that back. >> Yeah. I don't like to lose. That's why. it it's not it's not good for me. And my. mom was a big gambler and uh she battled. with that. She she overcame it. She. don't gamble no more. Now our addiction. is we we love the Dodgers. We like going. and watching baseball. Okay. Big.

Dodgers. >> Good. There been a lot to celebrate. >> Opening. Yep. They know that we the most. hated right now. But yeah, we do that. You know, she she loves um F1 and boxing. and stuff. But yeah, I don't know how. big gambling. But if you but if you're. in Vegas, it's kind of hard to live in. Vegas if you like to gamble because it's. so it's so accessible and they know who. you are. Hey, Mr. Anderson, would you. would you would you like a line? Would. you like a lot of credit? How much fun? No, I'm good. >> Circus Ole, go to the buffet. You know.

what I'm saying? I'm actually be. downtown. I'm going downtown. Chill with. the locals. >> Well, they were saying your the the the. residency was a like a repayment, but. you guys are stepping out. >> I didn't have nothing to do with that. debt. Why get drug in the debt? >> They they Hey, that's your homeboy. If. your homeboy troll, you got you got to pay his debt off, too. >> I got drugged into everything, man. >> But help me understand this because. you're a part of several musical groups. How does that work? Who gets precedent?

>> Oh, man. It's just all about. >> timing or you. >> timing. Yeah. Well, how I feel like I'm. very big on balance. So, you know, after. I did the Bruno thing, we we killed that. and we we got four Grammys and it was. fun and I called it Life on Mars because. I was rocking with him, you know, two. three years or something, you know, plus. the residency. But it was important for. me to circle back and go with my first. duo, which was No Worries, right? >> And that's how I got in front of Dre. >> was with my song that I did with him and. it was called Suede and Shout Out to.

Knowledge. That was my first record deal. that I got on Stones Throw. And um after. I was done with Silk Sonic, I went back. and worked with Knowledge and finished. up our record. It was 8 years since we. had put the last one out and then we. finished it and we put that record out. and we got a Grammy for that one and. then we did a tour. >> Um but I'm just like I got to give. everything its own time when and and um. >> but I if it's if it's working, the. energy is right, then it's cool. And. then now, you know, I've been in this DJ.

Peewee thing and so that's been fun. And. um I've been spending a lot of years. doing that and just developing and. working on the craft of being a DJ and. learning what to play, learning what my. style is and getting a good knowledge of. all kinds of music, old and new. And now. it's gotten me to where I'm opening up. for Bruno. Um but I've also been delving. in uh to the film world, right? And. that's a whole process. It took it took. 5 years for me to get my first film. done, but I got to direct it, co-write. it, star in it with my son, and I got my.

ass kicked up. But I learned so much. from it and I never would have thought. it would have made like movie festivals. like TIFF and and um you know Tribeca. and now it's in AMC theaters and um yeah. man it'll be everywhere in May. >> But does it get hard getting pulled. because look you're having such great. success with S Silk Sonic and you're. doing this with Bruno and the old group. like well hold on bro before there was. Bruno and before they was Silk Sonic. Yeah. >> That was your boy. >> Yeah. Yeah. Hey hey hey. >> yeah. Now it happens man and people.

don't people it's tough too because you. know people talk about Madonna said this. you know people talk about how how. artists change when they start making. money as a fame but they don't ever talk. about how people around them change. >> Yes. >> Right. And that expectations of you. expectations right they start acting. different want something different and. then it causes you to start guarding up. and doing stuff. Right. And then you. then you can't trust no one. Then you're. in a bubble. Um, and so thank God I got. family, I got friends, I have a team of.

women that are very like strong and. smart and keep me grounded and keep keep. it real with me. Um, I've been with the. same team for a while. Um, and um, I. have kids and I know that it's more than. just about me. It's more than just about. >> these that I grew up with. It's like I'm. getting older now. I'm chilling, you. know? I'm trying to like work so that I. can provide, right? And so. you just got to Nas told me this other. day. I was sitting with him. He said, you know, the cats that were like, "What. about me?" You know, just get them.

gifts. Don't don't be like them, you. know? You just just send them gifts. Shower them with love, you know. And. that's why I'm doing I'm big on gifts, you know. It's like, you know what? It's. all good, man. I know you you mad cuz of. this and that, but here here go some. here. Here go some. Here go a little. low. >> I always interested if you're in a. group. Let's just say it's a a seven, eight person group. You do both of the. leads. When it comes down, okay, you get say a. h 100,000, 200, $300,000 for the show. Is it divided up equally?

>> Hell no. >> Damn. >> No. Because here's the thing, like if I. don't gather, if I don't make this [ __ ]. happen, >> right, >> it ain't going to happen, >> right? >> I'm putting together the show, >> okay? >> I'm in the front. Ain't nobody come to. see you, Otis. Now you can there's there's a lot of. ways we can do this like we can if we. don't want to do it that way then okay. we don't have to do it I'll go off and. do something else right but if you can. do something to this extent then you do. it if you can't let me let me put it.

together let me put make sure everyone's. taken care of in a way and we can. negotiate if you want a little more this. and that but um no because. >> that's not how that's not how it works. with me you know especially with my band. I got to split it with the drummer right. >> I'm the lead man and the drummer So, you. know. >> Oh, so you get two cuts. So, you get two. cuts. >> That's why I got my own room on the bus. So, I that's my roommate is the drummer. So, um No, but it's like I I spend hours. developing the show, the playlist, making sure from behind the scenes to.

everything. It's a lot of work. It's a. lot. But I made sure like with my band. for instance, Anderson Pack and the Free. Nationals, right? That is a brand. Every. show I did, I made sure that both of our. names are on the bill. Why? Because when. I want to go off and do my thing, I. don't want y'all ever having to wait for. me, right? >> You guys got to have your own brand and. be your own. >> So you guys can go do something on your. own. I've seen it before. I watched. >> dynasties break and fall because. everybody was like, "That's our guy and. we're behind him." But then when he went. off and wanted to do something else,

everything fell apart. But if you guys. got your own brand and your own name, you can always take that and do what you. want. It had nothing to do with me, right? >> I'm a part of it. I'm part of the legacy. and I'm I'mma help and do everything I. can. But you guys can always stand on. your own. I think that's very important. with every with all my different. ventures and everything. If you don't. like how things are going around. >> with this, then you can go off and do. your own thing. And and it it only makes. my legacy stronger if you go off and do. your own thing, right? >> Miles Davis had Herby, he had Korea,

every all Marcus Miller came out of all. his fans. He wasn't staying with the. same. He go start a new one and then. boom, boom, boom, Jay-Z got all kinds of. people coming under him, you know. Um. there's different coaches in in NFL that. you know that have. >> they had that tree the Sean McVey come. up out of them. It only makes their. legacy greater when the people go off. and do that and they stand on their own. So yeah, I think that's important. >> You had an opportunity to work with. J.Cole and his album is out is doing. unbelievable. What was that experience. like? What's Cole like in the studio? >> Cole's great. He's like the everyday.

man. He's one of those dudes that going. to be like really grounded and give you. some good insight. I remember when I. first met him. Um, he was I talked to. him and we was chilling. He was like. giving me books to to read and um, you. know, just was like real encouraging, man. That was one of the toughest tours. I ever was on though, man. I'm be like I. went when I went on tour with Cole, >> I was on the For Your Eyes Only tour, okay? >> And it was right after Bruno and I was. really excited. I was like I told Bruno,

you know what? No, I'm going to do my. solo stuff. I'm Cuz Bruno wanted me to. go and 24 carry magic. Then he wanted me. to go on the 26th karat and 27th and I. was like, "No, I got to go off and I got. to work on myself." Yeah, cuz I got to. I'm going to work on my album. I want to. I want this too for myself eventually. And um right before right when I left. that tour, Cole was knocking on my door. He was like, "Hey man, you want to come. do a few dates with me?" I got an arena. tour too. And I was like, "Damn, I just. told Bruno, "Fuck it. That [ __ ] is going. to be crazy." So let me slide over here. and do this real quick. Man, I got on.

that tour. I almost got booed off stage. every night. He had Cole was doing this. arena tour where his stage was in the. middle of the arena, right? >> And he had all of Dreamville opening up. too. So it was like Jid Boss and Ari. Linux and then me. >> and then Cole. >> So you get through Dreamville, right? They kill it. Then after after the last. version of Dreamville, the the the the. lights go down, the arena thinks it's. about to be Cole. And then it was me and.

and they WAS LIKE, "NIGGA, NO. THIS MAN. The hell? It's been two hours. WE WANT TO SEE COLE. >> I'M LIKE, "HOLD ON, Y'ALL." And um yeah, man. And then uh you know, Cole come up. and he was in I think he that was the. the the concert where he was pulling up. in a like prison suit, >> right? >> It was just different, man. But um I. remember that was where I learned, man, like just keep it humble and and um we. would start the show with all this. theatrics and try to do all this stuff, but it was like they ain't coming to see.

you. They came to see Cole. So, I. remember that's when I was like, "All. right, we're going to do I saw the video. of the Beatles where they just walk on. stage and the lights are on and it's. like, "Hey, we're the Beatles." And then. they just start playing. So, I was like, "Let's just try that. Let's just walk on. stage real humble, lights on, no. theatrics. Hey, I'm Anderson pack. We. going to play a few songs." Yes, Lord. Boom. We start playing and that's how we. got them on our side. Wow. >> And um yeah, Cole was dope. We made a. bunch of records and um yeah, he just. like he'll just pull up. He's super, you. know, everyone love Cole, man. like. super humble and um can wrap his ass off.

too, man. Yeah. >> You also work with Kendrick. >> Yep. >> What What was that experience like? Because it's always like when you're. dealing with greatness um be it Brady. Manning, you be it uh Kobe, LeBron, rest. your soul, Kobe Jordan, when you're. dealing with greatness, there are a lot. of similarities. Yeah. >> But there are some very some very big. differences as well. Y. >> what if you know without trying to get. too too far too much in depth, what are. some of the similarities, what are some. of the differences that you notice. between Co and Kendrick and how they how.

they go about their business? >> Yeah, they're not trying to be all. chummy chummy. Those dudes are focused. Like you don't see you don't see them. outside having shots. Like you don't be. seeing Cole over at, you know, at at my. Andes club like whing out, popping up on. here and there. Like those dudes are. hyperfocused family dudes. Quiet. they. probably do do, you know, have all kinds. of different other sides, but um they. are so into the music and so into their. projects um that I don't know much about.

them outside of that. >> outside of the work, >> right? You know, so but I have um hung. out with with both of them in in. different instances, but yes, very quiet. and um probably got a lot going on. upstairs, but and then um you know, Kendrick's funny cuz I'll be talking to. him and I'll be like, "Yo, what's going. on, man? I know you're working on. something. Let me get be a part of. that." He's like, "Nah, man. hanging. trying to figure it out this and that. and the next day it'll be album drop. like [ __ ] YOU COULDN'T PUT ME ON THE. interlude I knew you was working on. something nah I'm just trying to man.

just like you man I'm just writer's. block surprise album yeah so I love it. man they don't be letting you know a. bunch of [ __ ] it's just like they. focusing that's how it should be. >> the big three. >> are they the big three Cole Drake and. and Kendrick. >> sure I mean it's all preference Man, I. mean, who's your big three? >> I ain't Man, my big three old. >> That's what I'm saying. It's Everybody's. got. >> I ain't going to hold you. I ain't going. to hold you back. My My big three old.

>> Yeah, I'm trying to think. Mine is. probably like Pac. >> Yeah, probably. Probably Pac. If if I. had like say, okay, for the next three. months, you only going to be able to. listen to three rappers. probably Park. Lil Wayne. >> That's interesting. You said listen. >> because.

>> the favorite people I like to listen to. and the people that I think are actually. the goats are different to me. Really? >> Yeah. Like I probably want to listen to. Kanye. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. >> You know what I'm saying? As far as like. if I'm going to listen to a bunch of. stuff. >> Yeah. I'll probably throw Kanye. want to. listen to Jay. >> Um, probably want to listen to. um, Snoop, but and but like as far as. like the legacy and who I think are the. big three and everything, it's like that. list might be a little different. Probably close to the same,

>> but you know, same thing with Wayne. I. probably want to listen more. You know, they probably got more stuff that I want. to have fun to listen to. Who do you Who took longer to sing you. to verse, Kendrick or Three Stacks? >> I think Damn, that was a tough one. I. think three stacks. Three stacks played. with my emotions a little bit, man. That. was a tough journey to go through, but. it was so worth it, right? >> Shout out Three Stacks. But man, only. reason why why is because Three Stacks. actually came to the studio three stacks.

of times. >> and didn't lay anything. >> Really? >> Yes. and came with his little journal. and and was in there for hours. >> He had a flute with him. >> He didn't have the flute. This is pre. flute. >> Okay. Pre flute. >> Pre flute. >> Okay. >> Um this one he had a little composition. book. Yeah. >> Same overalls. >> Yeah. >> But it was no flute. And he was in that. studio for hours and you good, man? Need. some tea? Yeah, I'm good, man. And you. know, 8 hours passed, he come out. I. think tomorrow I'll have it. You know, next day he come back another 8 hours. I.

think tomorrow is the night. It's going. to be good. It's full moon. It's going. to be good. You do realize the studio. time, you know, coming out of yo, we'll label. you when you orange juice. Can I? And. just nothing. And then I gave up. And. then we went on the road and we were in. Italy and this is months later and he. sent it back and it was like I had it in. my inbox. It was three stack. Very. smooth. >> It was well worth it. >> It was well worth it, man. Blew our. minds. And um yeah, I'll never forget. it, man. It was like it it's not about.

how long it take, man. is about, you. know, what you actually do when you when. you actually send it. >> That's what it's about. So, >> but is it true that he didn't want you. guys to release. >> the song? Why. >> he did? He just felt he he was just. telling me, you know, after he sent it. and we were so hyped about it, he felt. like he didn't add anything to the song. and he um maybe maybe it wasn't right. Maybe he just didn't wasn't necessary. And I think that artists go through that.

and I think a lot of artists get in. their own head and I I urged him and. told him, man, no, this is this is a. beautiful song because of you and you. added greatly to it. And um shout out to. Dr. Dre, the other Dre, you know, I. think he kind of convinced him and um we. were able to put that record out. But. you know, it happens, man. It happens. sometimes like you know people want you. to also on the other end people want you. to do features and you can't get it done. in time and you know they get pissed off. and it's like damn man but I don't I.

don't take it personal man it's. everyone's got their their own stuff. that they're going through man and so if. you can lend a helping hand to my. project and make it happen in in in any. time or fashion sometimes everyone's got. their deadlines but you know we impose a. lot of our deadlines on other artists. and you never know what they got going. what they. >> what kind of stuff that they're gearing. up towards. Sometimes they don't want to. put stuff out because it's going to. interfere with what's going on. And you. know, everything that you put out, you. should have time to promote it. I want. to be able to do stuff, do the video, all this stuff.

>> So sometimes if I if I know I can't do. all that, I won't bother putting it on, you know, getting on the track and it's. nothing to do with nothing personal, >> right? you know, >> is it a situation where um I'm looking. at you won nine Grammys and you say Dre. was like it took it probably took one. one of the longest to get back to you. and then when he came back like I don't. I don't really think I add anything. Are. there are there more stories like that. or more times than not? Cuz you hear. some people like, "Hey, I sent him I. sent him the beat and then he sent me.

the track back 10 hours later, 24 hours. later, 3 hours later.". >> Yeah. >> And then some people like, "Man, >> I just had done give up hope. I thought. it was over. >> Yep. No, you get more on the opposite. end. I think with me too, I it takes a. long time for for me to put out stuff. that's on my project, right? So, sometimes I did records with people and. they and they sent it back and. everything. They're like, "Whatever. happened to that record? What's going on. with that?" They urgent or, you know, they wanted to come out and they're. hitting me up. I'm like, "Chill. It. ain't ready yet." Or, "I got on some a. producers's record and y'all using that.

What's going on?" You know, blah blah. blah. And sometimes, man, you know, some. people cancel themselves out like that. >> Really? >> You're too too eager, too, right? >> Chill. Now you Now, now you getting on. my nerves. You pissing me off now. I'm. I'm about to come from over here with. it. >> So, let me ask you. If somebody ask you. to get on their track, do you look do you get look to get. compensated or are you going to ask them. to return the favor at a later date in. time? So, >> don't nobody got no money except for. Koreans. Those the only ones that going.

that's the only ones that's going to pay. you. You you you blow you you you. fooling yourself. You think you going to. get a rate or something from one of. these rappers. You you going to get a. swap, >> right? >> Yeah, we going to swap. Ain't no money. in it. But now you now when the. internationals act, they going they. going to pay you. They going to fly you. out. They switch you right. >> Okay. Shout out to my Koreans. Now you. might see me on a lot of them records. >> Right. >> So how so how long so you get a feature. So how long does it take you? So, you. start working on an album. Let's just.

say for sake of argument, if you say, you know what, I got a project coming. out and it's going to be. fall, maybe late late fall 26 or early. 27. How soon do you start working on the. project? Do you have a concept in mind. or kind of direction you want to go? And. the people that you potentially want to. have on the album, how long does that. take? >> Myself, I've been working on the project. since my last album drop. I never stop. I make music continuously. Now, there. might be a um a a time of that I'll set.

aside to finish the project. Now, I'm. going to set two a month, two months to. to wrap this up. Stop like log gagging. and no more new songs. I'm going to. tighten these ones up. Now, I know the. vibe I want. I'm going to start thinking. about what I want this to look like and. everything. And I've gotten better with. that process as I with each album, right? >> Um but yeah, I'm always continuously. working since the last project. my now I. have a lot of different projects and. groups, right? My last solo project came. out 2019, I think, with Tura, right? And.

we got we got a Grammy for that, but it. came out the same year as the project. before. >> But I was I was I I was making records. right after that. Um. >> for my own stuff that I set aside and. for this, for Silk Sonic, for No. Worries, whatever. Um and now, you know, I got uh another project that I'm. working on now that I'm setting aside a. couple weeks now that my studio's done. um I can sit there and wrap it up and. get it tight when then we can talk about. when we want to put this out. Do we want. to get any features on it? And then we.

can, you know, figure out from there um. how it goes. >> Do you like when you're touring, do you. still do you still try and and record? >> Yeah, I do. Sometimes like we try to. bring the the the the tour the the uh. the equipment with us, but nine times. out of 10 that never works. Um, but what. I end up doing is when I'm in the city, um, so and so was in the city, we'll. book a studio and we'll do something and. then I'll go, you know, here. I love. doing that. Going and getting into other. people's worlds, >> right? >> It's inspiring for me.

>> Dr. Dre just became a billionaire. What's some of the best best advice he's. given you? >> Um, don't ask no money for me then. >> Don't ask me for [ __ ] Yeah. Um, that's. I don't know if that's advice or just. like a proclamation, but yeah. Uh, >> but when you get in your position, you. said that and you said that jokingly, but when you get in your position, does. it get harder or easier to tell people. no? Because they like, "Hey, I know you. got it, bro. Let let you break you break. me off a little something." Does it get.

harder to say no? Especially people that. you know now, somebody just arbitrarily. just met you 6 months ago or a year ago, it's easy to tell them, "Hell no, get. the hell out of here." But somebody that. you've been around 5, 10, 15, or known. you since you grown up, cuz that's how. they do it, bro. You remember? Hey man, you remember the time we was on the. monkey bars, man? We was in that truck. on the swing scent. Man, I knew you was. going to make it. But man, I told my. homeboy, I told my homeboy, I said, "Yeah, he going he going places." So you. get that. >> straight up. I just hate when they beat. around the bush, man. You know that.

whole thing. It's like, "Yeah, man. I. see you doing well, man. I wish I could. just do well like that, man. It's been. tough for me, but you you go ahead, man. I seen you with Shay Shay. You're. looking great, man. Man, I you know, I. wish I could just have it like that, >> bro. How much you need, man?" Exactly. Just spit it out, man. Here. But you. know, you then you get those those. people that you know that No, I could. give you a million dollar. I give you a. billion dollars. You'll be broke. tomorrow. >> Yeah. >> I know that. It's not It's not about the. money, bro. Like you um you got some.

other things going on. And if I'm give. you this, it's only going to hurt you. more, right? You know, I'm not being. cheap. That's just real. Like there's. people that um. are sometimes incapable of being helped. because it's not the money that is the. issue. It's how they're going about life. is the issue. How they are going about. their relationships with other people. that is the issue. So when you give them. money, >> you're just feeding the beast and they. think that they can come right back.

around when they because they're going. to come back around. They're not going. to have it again. And then they're going. to come back to you with it. And it's. two things going to happen. you're going. to get tired of it and then you know. it's going to blow up a situation and. it's going to make it weird and um. >> but then there's people that they got. damn bad and I can't wait to help them. out cuz they helped me out and it's like. thank you for asking and it's you know. sometimes people got a lot of pride and. they don't want to ask and it takes a. lot to ask someone for help especially. financial help um. >> and you know if they ask they really. need it. >> they do and if I got it bro you got it.

man like um I love being able to help. provide for for my family especially my. sisters my broke ass sisters. They ask for money a lot and it's. beautiful, you know. And um my sister. had been wanting a tummy tuck for a long. time and I and um I didn't give it to. her. >> I got her Pelaton. >> I got her treadmill. >> Yeah. >> Um all kinds of different things. >> But see, that's that that's that poor. man plastic surgery gym membership. I. need a rich man. When I go to the. doctor, he get a pump. >> There ain't no shortcuts to this. I. didn't take no shortcuts getting to this.

money, >> right? So you going to have to let me. see how if you work cuz once you get the. tummy tuck I want to see you going start. different ain't going to keep it off. >> You can't you can't have the tummy tuck. but you still on you still on the. Chick-fil-A mentality. Right. So it. ain't going like again it ain't going to. help you, you know? So um. >> I just I just try to help when I can. I. don't mind helping it. It's just it's. fun and honestly like I feel like you. get what you give in this industry. I. don't I'm not the richest man but for. some reason I'm able to do everything I. love to do and I love giving away stuff. I love providing when I can. And um you.

know what Dre, some advice that he's. always told me, man, is you know Dre, you never see him in the hoopla, right? And he's been a No, he's been a person. that survived the 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s. and seen people come and go and has. always stayed his ass in the studio, stayed focused on what he loves, right? And that's what it's about. Again, he. told me just do what you love. Don't. ever chase none of that stuff that don't. chase the hype. do what's gonna uh make. you have fun and that you feel in your. spirit and everything else will follow.

And that's gotten him to the point where. he's a billionaire now. He's never been. the type to be on some flashy like I'm. all about n. >> every time I see Dre he's working in the. studio like it's his first day still. >> and he doesn't have to but he loves that. and everything he's created this whole. world around him and he's created um. just a whole family tree of amazing. artists. I'm proud to be one of them and. um that's one thing that I've always. respected and admire and you know follow. in his footsteps for sure. >> Is it a situation Anderson that when you. see like I'm only going to give what I'm.

I don't lend money. I give money and I'm. only giving what I can afford to know. I'm not getting back. So I don't give I. don't give money with the hopes of. getting cuz I already know I'm not. >> Yes. And then you know that you get the. types like man I'mma pay you back. I'mma. set it. You remember this date? I'mma. set it. And then they do do all that. I'm like bro you don't need to. But you. know since you wanted to say all that. All right, I'm going to hold you to it. What' you say it was? March 4. All. right, cool. We going to see. And [ __ ]. don't pay it back. No, it can't. And. it's the thing. It's like I don't want I. don't It ain't no loan. It's like if I. give you this Exactly. It's It's not. raing me. I don't want it back here.

Don't do me no favors. Don't do that. No, I got you. I'm No, man. I ain't no. dead beat now. >> Matter of fact, I don't want this money. >> Yeah. So, it's like Yeah. I just I just. could give it, bro. I don't have no. loans or nothing like that. Are you. surprised? Like Dre doesn't do a whole. lot. If Dre working with you. >> Yeah. >> He He believed one trillion% in you cuz. Dre don't really I mean I I I mean I. think what the last thing I heard he did. he was he did Snoop. I think Snoop had a.

project about a year ago and he did he. did Snoop track. But Dre don't don't do. a whole lot. >> Yeah. Well, when you're a billionaire, you don't have to do [ __ ] You just do. what's fun and what you what you do, right? Um and that's the beauty of it. like some [ __ ] I have to do. I got to. get out here. And um a lot of these guys. again they they they were doing music. but then they found other things and and. it it helped them create an exit for. themselves, right? Like Dre got into. headphones and got into this and he.

wasn't too. >> he was open enough to be working with. different creators and different. partners and entrepreneurs to put him. into other spaces to where now he can. make albums on yachts and that you can. hear them or you can not hear them. It's. up to him. >> Right. And that's that's what I want to. be doing, >> right? >> You know, >> if I put your feet to the fire, what's. the greatest rap. conglomerate? Death Row, Bad Boys, No Limit, Cash. Money, Rockefeller, uh, Rough Riders.

>> Wow. >> Uh, who am I who am I leaving out? >> Uh, he said Cash Money. >> Cash Money, No Limit, Death Row, Rockefeller, >> um, Swiss House. >> Swiss a house. >> Um, >> rap a lot. Aftermath. >> Aftermath. Uh, Shady. Damn. Um, >> because Aftermath was the M50, Kendrick. game. Uh, >> yep. >> So, you had S So, Death, you got Rough. Riders, TDE, Quality Control, Mayback. Music, Death Jam. >> [ __ ].

>> I'm going have to say Dre. Anything with. Dre, whether it was Death Row, Aftermath. Yeah. because just the. lineage like from. Eminem, Snoop, Pac, Kendrick, myself, game, 50 Cent. >> Um I mean the list goes on and on and on. and um. >> you know coming out of the Death Row era. as well, you know, with Pac and. everything. Yeah, I think that was. that's pretty huge, man. Um. >> you know, shout out to all the. conglomerates, you know, like Dungeon. Family.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah, that's a lot. >> Super Bowl halftime show performance. Which one do you think the greatest? We. just saw uh Bad Bunny do his thing. Obviously uh the year before that. Kendrick did his thing and then you had. Rihanna, you had Usher, you had Michael, you had Prince. There have been some. great uh Beyonce. We've had some greats, but if you had to and you you probably. go back about 20 years. I mean, I think. your memory can go back about 20 years. or you remember the best. >> Dr. Dre. >> Dr. Dre LA. I was in that one. Um that.

was the biggest moment. Um, yeah, I. think that one that if it's not that, it's Michael Jackson. >> the 93 and the Rose Bowl. >> I mean, dude, Kendrick and Bad Bunny. killed it as well. But yeah, for me, it's always going to be Dre like that. was my era of stuff. Yeah. >> To be on the stage with them to. >> You remember Prince in Miami and playing. Purple? He started and it started to. rain. >> He's playing Purple Rain and it starts. to rain. >> Legendary. >> And they had the silhouette. They had. the curtain up and you could just see. him. It was just like.

>> Yeah. >> You had to be You had to be there to see. >> Janet Janet and Titty came out. >> Oh, that was in Houston, I think. >> Huge. Yeah. Yeah. And that was huge. >> The game, how did it work? Because I had. game on the show and game, I mean, there. ain't no question he could rap. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Have a lot of other stuff surrounding. him going along with it. >> Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, game man, that's my that's my big homie. He really. was one of the first people to put me on. like um right around the time I was. working with Dre game invited me to work.

with him and he had like 80 bloods in. the studio and he had like a hundred. models in there and I had never recorded. under those circumstances before and he. he got me in the booth and he said, "Hey, you just you just spit whatever, right?" You know, you go in there, I. will come up with something. He's like, "Go in the booth, do it." And I spit, you know, and and I come out, the whole. booth be going crazy. And like it put. the battery on my back. And he's like, "You my you my favorite artist, bro. You. going to make it. I'mma get as much as I. can with you here because you going to. blow up after this." And and it was.

crazy cuz right after that, man, I it. was I was gone. >> So what type of studio session? Because. some some people like it quiet. Yeah. Some people like they got they got. models running around. They got they. going they got they got a it's a chaotic. scene. So when you go into the booth, when you go into How do you like it? I. go through seasons, man. I go through. different things, >> honestly. Cuz I work with so many people. in different groups. I'm I'm very much a. chameleon. So, whatever. So, I'm easy. I. can adapt. >> cuz it doesn't take much for me. I can. do I could make a record here with this.

mic, you know? >> Um, >> but. >> if it's up to me, I like having at least. a couple women in the studio. And I'm. not talking about like if I'm that. doesn't mean I'm with them or anything. like that. I like the energy. >> You like the beauty. You like the Yeah. the the room gets it to a a higher. frequency and I want to know like is. this working hitting something and and. like um I like to make people dance and. and I want the music to make them feel. good and everything and so I I like to. see if it if it's if that is um. something I'm getting close to and and.

also it bring its me. >> brings something out of me as well, you. know. Um, but I could I can work. however. I could work with a ton of. people in the studio as well because. it's different when you when you work. with a room if the whole control room is. packed with people, >> then there's a there's certain. entertainment show element that goes. into that, >> right? >> And so you want to get a reaction out of. the crowd. >> and to know that you're doing something. right or doing something that's moving. the crowd. And some of these records. that we make are for the people, right?

For people to move and stuff. So, it's. cool having that crowd sourcing when you. spitting some stuff, then you play in. the booth. A that show is fire. This is. crazy. >> And um then it's cool to have stuff. where it's just you. You know what I'm. saying? Where you have to get real. internal and and get weird cuz also. there's. >> process the there's the process where it. it's not going to sound good at first. and it's going to go from sounding like. this to this and this and this and you. got to go through all these different. generations to get to this, right? and.

then oh wait it's actually this and then. then we're starting something completely. new and sometimes that's not the most. beautiful process to be able to see and. it's very revealing right. >> so um I understand like why people might. not want that to be seen by everybody. and I'm the same way when I'm working on. something that's really personal that. I'm still trying to figure out or I feel. like um I need to really tap in um I I. like it to just be me and my engineer or. or honestly just probably just me. working in in the room playing the beat.

50 million times or production 50. million times trying to figure it out. what's the best way I can approach this. >> You work with Hley Stan uh Haley. Stanfield. >> that was in Center married to Josh. Allen. >> What what was that experience like? >> She was great. Um. yeah I was we just met online and she. was like a big fan. We hung out and um. >> yeah we was like just hanging out. Met. Gala. Um she was super cool. I didn't. know about, you know, her music career. or nothing like that before. I knew she.

was in some movies, but I didn't know. she was. >> um in the music and she approached me. with that record and um you know, people. will hit you up for records and they're. hit or miss, but that one was nice. I. was really surprised and it was cool. And one day we were just partying. We. was going out and um it we were um we. were close to Dre's studio and I was. like, "Let's just go. I'm gonna try to. get something to this." and took her. there and I recorded that verse and I. was telling her um she loved it and I. was telling her look I really want to. get into the film if if I could direct.

this video that would be awesome cuz I. want to build a real for when I take it. to try to get funding and she was like. cool I'm going to let you direct it so. she let me direct that music video and. everything. Yeah, it was insane. >> Uh Justin Timberlake. >> Yeah, JT. >> What's it like? >> It's great. I mean his I mean his I mean. he hadn't put out anything in a while. but boy he had a stretch there when he. was working with Timbo. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Everything everything that whether it. was him or he was doing the collab.

>> Yeah. Justin with Timbo Neptunes. I mean. Yeah. He's insane with this with the boy. band. Insane. So um Justin hit me up. when it was for Trolls. >> and um. >> it was dope man cuz he was so such a big. part. I didn't know how much he had his. hands in everything within the movie. within his character he was playing and. then within the music. So it was like. his brainchild and what his little. project that he was working on and he. was um you know very serious about it. and he was working uh had me in there.

working with um Ludwig who did the music. for sinners. Yeah. >> And also James Pontroy who's worked a. lot and wrote a lot of stuff for Bruno. So, I was in there with the Juggernauts. and he was like, "Yeah, man. Um, I want. to get you in here." And we started. making these records and and one of the. records he went he left early and I. stayed longer with Lurig and we made a. record, you know, just messing around. He came back next day. He's like, "Wait, I think this could be the ending credit. song. It ended up being the ending. credit song." And it was like I was. working with him for weeks on on records.

and I was like, "Man, I want I want to. be a voice on Trolls." Like, you know. what I'm saying? and he got me in there. and I ended up getting a role on there. on Prince D on Trolls Too, right? >> Trolls 2 Too. Yeah. And I'm like a part. of the Funk Trolls. So that was dope. >> When you're in studio, do you know if. because it goes back and forth. I've. heard people say, well, I didn't I I. thought it would be good, but I didn't. know it was going to be like this. And. then people say, you know, hey, I. thought it was going to be this and it. didn't turn out. Do you know when you're. in the studio and you're working with. someone or you're doing your thing that.

this it? >> Yeah, you can tell people that are. really into it. Some people are their. mind is somewhere else. Some people. >> you get in there, they're on their. phones, they're preoccupied really. >> Yeah. They got other things, ventures. and meetings and they can't focus on it. or they. >> they want it's very transactional. Maybe. they want you to do something but. they're not concerned about how we can. make the best song possible. M. >> it's just a moment something that they.

think is good enough and okay now we're. going to put it and blah blah blah but. it's like dog we should work on this a. little more it could be better stuff. like that those are the people that I. could see that it's like they're. different those are the Brunos and those. are JT and um you know a lot of. different acts that I but not a lot. there's it's kind of honestly it's rare. that you you meet a lot of people like. uh John Bellian I'm I'm working with now. he's like that um people that want to. get in there and fight and dig. >> and be great,

>> you know, just and it it's it's less and. less people uh cuz it takes a long time. and it's it's just not. >> it's not always fun and you got to work. and you got to, you know, start over. Cordday, someone that I've made a lot of. records with that he's like that as. well. But um. >> right, >> uh yeah, you can tell you can tell and. it's a whole process, but um some people. know what they want right away and you. do it and um you get different results. But I I I I honestly I'll be keeping my. expectations kind of low and I just have. fun.

>> I got this what I've been wanting. Give. me your top five white R&B soul pop. singers. So you got JT Adele, Robin. Fick, John B, Tina Marie. >> Is it John B Puerto Rican? >> Wait, we we he for this for this. argument he gonna be on there. >> How y'all going to do him like that? >> Christy Daguera, Sam Smith. Uh-huh. Oh, I got to go Bobby Cwell. >> Okay. >> I got to go um Average White Band. The.

whole band. I got to go. um who else? Janice Joplin. Um I gotta. go uh Donald Fagan, Steelely Steelely. Dan, Holland Oats. Um. >> Okay. >> You said is this modern? I'm sorry. I'm. I'm okay. I'm just thinking of Oh, Michael McDonald. Doobie Brothers. >> Doobie Brothers. >> I can't forget. >> Yeah, I got a. >> uh I saw Hall of Notes. I've seen them. like five times. They're unbelievable.

Well, that was before. They're not. together anymore, but. >> Yeah. Uh. >> did you have you seen Adele in concert? >> Adele, I haven't seen her. Incredible. singer. Yeah. Um. >> that woman. >> Nika Costa. Remember Nika Costa? She was. so familiar with her. >> Yeah, she was dope. Um. >> but I like Robin Thick. Tina Marie. I. know you remember Tina. >> Tina Marie. >> Oh my goodness. Tina Marie, Jaws Stone. >> I I'd have never guessed. I remember. when we first heard Tina Marie back in. the early 80s when she was with Rick. before she became a solo artist and they.

was like, "Man, I I heard she white." I. said, "Man, if you don't sit out, ain't. no way.". >> Back then you get away with it though. >> Yes. >> Because because I mean that was might. have been like pre uh MTV and to hear. her and the her vocals I'm like no ain't. no ain't no way. And then when you. actually saw her she is white and she. this big. >> Yep. Yep. And I'm like, whoa. It's. almost like kind of like Stephanie. Mills. >> Yeah. >> How does somebody have a voice that. powerful? Stephanie Mills got to be like. 5 foot tall. >> Yeah. Straight up.

>> Yes. Powerful. >> It's the same thing with Tina. So when. you hear these voices and I don't know. why the Christian Aguilera is a small. woman. Ariana Grande is a small How do. you put a voice like that in this little. >> Yeah. >> But they say they pack dynamite in in. small packages. >> That's right. And you but I'm like how do you pick. somebody like a voice like that and. something so small. >> and it just it just carries. >> Yeah. All the little small guys are the. most talented in the world. It's compact. in that little thing, you know. Shout.

out to Bruno. You know, he he not small. He big but it's like pause. But he like. Bruno might be pushing five five. >> But you know they're the most like. talented like people. Prince. >> you got to see Bruno chat. I mean, if. you've never seen Bruno Mars in concert, you got to see him. >> Yeah. >> You've got to see him. I'm talking about. from playing the instruments to dancing. to singing. He's a He's lit. I mean, he's not a oneman band, but he's a.

oneman band cuz he can do it all. >> He's unbelievable. I've seen him a. couple of times and I'm going to see him. again. >> I've seen him play craps. This is. insane. >> Boy, can play some Bakarat, too. Oh, >> he play Berat. >> Yeah. Yeah. He's very talented. >> Oh my goodness. Did you hear what Jack. Jack Harlo said that he got blacker now. that he's making R&B music? >> I didn't I didn't see it. I just I've. been seeing it on the internet like. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

>> What do you think of that? >> Damn. >> I didn't know it was possible, but okay. >> Right. Hey, man. Good luck with that, man. Sheesh. A roll. out is a roll out though because you. know now I know he has an album out. So, >> but he also talked about white artists. stepping away from rap and moving. towards traditionally white sounds. >> Mhm. >> You agree with that? >> Traditionally white sounds. What is. traditionally white sounds? >> Well, I guess they're moving away from. rap because you know Well, I mean like.

there been a whole lot of rappers. anywhere. I mean, you got ill, but I. mean it's not like. >> But what is traditionally white sound? Like yodelling or like what? All the. sounds are like black derived. They they. saying but I'm just saying. >> whatever whatever millions you talking. to we is us. >> if they start yodelling and I don't know. something like that I guess that that. would make sense but um yeah I I don't. know I don't know what where what what. he's getting at with that but I I you. know more power to him man. >> you mentioned I think you mentioned Leon. Thomas earlier and he's like.

>> yes. >> you like you. >> yeah I think yeah man Leon is one of the. the great like modern R&B singers we. have right now. >> Yeah cuz He's going to be on the tour. He's going to be on the romantic tour. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> So, this tour obviously you know you and. and Bruno, y'all do your thing. So, how. many artists do you have? So, will it be. Leon and someone else or. >> It's his tour honestly. We just he could. switch the whole [ __ ] up this week if he. wanted to. >> So, in other words, you might have So, Leon Thomas might open like 10 cities.

and then you have somebody else come and. open 10 cities and somebody else. >> however he sees it. Yeah. Um Yeah. Yeah. I haven't seen the thing, but I know I'm. on the whole thing, which is which is. dope. But um yeah, I think it's like I. think he's mixing it up. But um. >> Have you ever met Leon? >> Uh yes. >> So So what advice? Because I don't know. if he've been on anything as big as this. right here. So what advice would you. give him? >> Just stay healthy, man. Stay focused and. um you know, worry about killing on that. stage cuz that's what everybody else. going to be doing, right? Everybody is a.

killer uh performer on that stage. And I. don't know about them, but when you know. when we're on there, like I I don't you. know I I want people to remember us on. that stage. I want it to be hard for the. next person. And I think that's a good. healthy healthy thing to have. competitive energy on the stage and feel. having a a tour like that be amazing. You know, when like the movie like the. five heartbeats when they was all on the. road and when I even see the. documentaries about Mottown when they. used to put the temptations with with. everyone and they was like, "Hey, we all. family, but we trying to take your head.

off.". >> Oh, yeah. For sure. Yes. But uh let me. ask you this. When you guys are in a. let's you're doing a tour and you're do. you guys go out? So do you do anything. after like okay the set's over with and. say it's 10:30. Do you guys I mean what. >> them kids can't hang with me. They can't. stop WITH THE BIG DOGS. >> They going to around and have to cancel. the show the next day. They can't drink. with us. They don't know. They they. babies. Leon and Ray and and Victoria. God bless them with them babies. you.

know, we done. >> You were the old school guy. You used. >> We done rock. We done seen some. different things. >> Now, I ain't trying to get no one in. trouble either. Y'all get ready to get. your sleep. >> It's all good. But yeah. No, I'm pretty. sure we going to be hanging out. You. know, it's going to be a lot of dates. Got to stay healthy. And you know, you're older and. >> you can't be part of. >> Yeah. So, you ain't going to be able to. go out there and drink and you know, you. have to be in the bed by 11:30. >> Exactly. I'm going to be DJing. I'm. probably do some coro and stuff. I'm. have to be ready. >> Yeah. Who are some of the artists that. you've written for that people would be.

surprised that you've actually written. for? >> Um, Christina Aguilera. >> Okay. >> Mariah Carey. Um, who else? >> I don't think people are going to be as. surprised about my Mariah. >> after what they saw. I don't think. they're surprised by that anymore. >> I could be wrong. >> Um, who else? Written for um Paul. McCartney. Um, Raven Len. Written for. Raven Len. written for a lot of. different Korean acts. Um, I know I'm. forgetting stuff. Uh,

shoot. Yeah, man. >> Is that your favorite? Do you like Do. you like riding more or performing more? >> Omaran. >> Amaran. Okay. >> From Marian. >> Do I like writing performing? >> Yeah. >> Um, >> or it's 50/50. >> I like performing. >> You like performing? >> Yeah, I do like putting on the show. Um. it's nothing like like you know taking. the energy of the crowd and right. >> you know just Yeah. I love it man being. on stage. >> So how how do so they come to So how.

does this work? They come to you and say. hey hey Anderson we we know we got an. idea we want you to write they bring a. bunch of writers in and you guys just. try to like start going. How does that. how does that work? >> Yeah usually their team or the artists. will hit me up direct sometimes. A lot. of times the artists hit me up direct. like on the DM or something like that or. get my number from somebody and uh. they'll be like, "Oh, Mary J. Blige. wrote for her." Wow. Um. >> it's all coming to me now. Um but yeah,

the teams will hit me up and we working. they're working on something. Sometimes. it's different with the more legacy. artists how they approach it and the. younger artist will maybe go direct, >> right? >> Um but it's always different. Um but. yeah, a lot of times, hey, we got we. have a song or we want to just get in. the studio with you. We want to we want. to just get into your world and it'll. work like that. But everything's. different. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> What's your favorite lyric that you've. written? >> Um, time never cares if you're there or.

not there. All you ever needed was a. simple plan, but you're doing well. I. mean, you're not dead. So, let's. celebrate while we still can. >> Love it. When people see you in person, do they. always try to get you to sing? >> No, they don't. No, they usually be. like, like, you know what I get a lot. of? Like, you know who you look like a. lot is Anderson Pat. Anybody Anybody.

ever tell you that? >> What' you say? Nah, I heard that. But. >> he's this tall, bro. I'm way taller than. him. >> Yeah. Know I, you know, sometimes they. get me to sing sometimes. Have you ever. uh received any plagiarism claims? >> I like that I stole from somebody. Not. yet. Not yet. >> But I'm, you know what I'm interested in. in samples and how do people go about. because there are some people that want. clear sample and there's some people.

like I talked to LL and I talked to. other people that had songs. It's like, well, look, if you're going to do Bobby. Brown and it's like, I want to hear the. song. I ain't gonna just let you mess. over my song. And if I don't think it's. right, it's like, no, I am not f to. clear that. >> One of the first platinum albums or gold. albums that I got was from somebody who. took one of my songs and made his own. version. >> Really. >> blew up at radio. I had a song called. Might Be. It was on my on my first. album, Venice, that I did under Anderson. Pack and it was called Might Be. And it.

was kind of a tricky situation because. that song also sampled the the um I. think it's the Jones Girls. Who who can. I run to? >> I forget. Um, escape used it too. I. think Jones was emotions, but it had a. sample already, but I had written a a. new song over it. >> And I get the feeling that you might be. And this guy from the south, he was his. name was I forget something, but he took. my song and took the hook. I think the. feeling that you might be and did his. own thing over it. And both of our songs. were at the same time. And I I I hear.

this song on the radio and and people. are starting to share it. I'm like, that's my joint. And then it's blowing. up more than my joint. I'm pissed. I'm. like, he done took my [ __ ] and it made. it hot. I'm hitting up everybody. I'm. like, what's going on? What's going on? What's going on? They're like, okay, it's tricky situation because it's a. sample. So, he could already take the. the the sample is up for grabs or. whatever. But I was like, but that's. still my lyric. This and that. And. they're like, look, we can shut it down. or you could take the publishing and let. it rock because it's doing good.

>> Let it rock. >> Let it rock. Let it rock and roll. And I. got my first fla. So, you know, it just. goes sometimes. Yeah. People don't they. don't clear it, right? >> Um and I learned the hard way with that, too. When you don't clear, Yeah. you you. going to pay some way because a lot of. times people will let you go, let that. [ __ ] rock, rock, rock, build up, and. then they going to hit you for all that. back pay, >> right? >> So, it's best to do your business, right? >> I heard Candy Bird say that because when. she did Scrubs, somebody came out with. another called Pigeons. >> Use the same exact thing. >> Sporty Thieves. Yeah.

>> Say we we got I took it all. >> Yeah. You got to do your business right, man. I didn't I didn't had it happen for. sure. We want to use a little part. excerpt or something here and there and. they taking all of it. >> Damn. >> Yeah. >> Hello. You broke the internet because. you was holding Mariah's hand, kissing. on the cheek in a music video. Man, you. know how people are. They take every. music. It doesn't matter. People going. to take everything serious. >> That really break the internet. >> Yeah, it did. >> They didn't believe I was dating. No. No. >> Yeah, it did. They believed it. >> Yeah. They like, "Babe, Anderson, uh,

she done left her boy old thing and she. with Anderson pack." I like, "Really?". >> That was fun, man. It was It Mariah's. about the music and that was that was. incredible to be able to work with her. and to like spend that much time on the. album and, you know, do the video. She. let me direct that as well. And, um, you. know, now I know about the finer things. in life like Caviar. >> Damn. >> Came wine. Mhm. >> Good shows like uh like uh uh what's it.

called? Abbott Elementary. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Uh I'm a dog lover now. >> Did uh Nick hit you up? Like what's up, bro? >> Nick hit me up, but he wanted tickets to. a show. >> Oh, okay. >> He he needed tickets to the um to the. the fire not firefest, but I called What. was that f that fest they had for the. people that the poor people that lost. their homes and. >> Oh, yeah. up in um. >> we threw a thing and Nick was uh and the. kids they wanted to go and he hit me up, man. He hooked me up with something. I. got you, Nick.

>> And uh yeah, but I think you got the. paparazzi on speed dial. >> But you were you were photographed with. Jenny M. >> I was simply telling her about the plot. simply. >> of my movie K-pops, which is also out. You can do that over the phone in AMC. theaters. It was over. >> It was loud in the club. Wanted to show. my Club Andes. >> She wanted to have a good time. And you. notice I'm in the ear talking. I was. loud. Live music we have in there. Shout. out to to Ann. He's with the live. musicians. And. >> there was explaining the plot. Um simply.

about a struggling musician who um finds. out that he could have a child that is. uh the next K-pop star. And um she also. has a child of her own. And uh she she's. a big fan of the movie. >> Y'all did all that in the club. >> with all that noise played in the. background. >> Yeah. and got home early cuz we both had. an early morning. >> Her home or your home? >> Uh, separate homes. >> Okay. >> Okay.

I mean, did y'all share any advice? Cuz. you know, both, you know, you guys went. through something publicly. Both of you. have. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but did y'all. discuss that in the club, too? >> Some people are built for it, some. people aren't. And it comes with. territory, man. I used to bag groceries, you know, and I used to dream when I was. pushing in carts and [ __ ] I wanted I. wanted this to be on leather couches and. fireplaces. drink drinking yak. But I was taking the. bus, right? >> I was selling weed. I was running from.

freaking I was getting robbed. I was. getting all kinds of [ __ ] And I was. praying like, "God, please let my. biggest problems just be paparazzi and. hanging out in my own club, right? and. like kissing Mariah Carey and hanging. out like please let that be my life at. some point and um. >> lo and behold. >> you're not gonna get sometimes you get. that but you know a little salty with. the sweet but. >> we out here maneuvering and it's all. good man you know. >> how is it dating in your 40s after being. married in your 20s and 30s.

>> Oh, >> is it harder? Is it easier? Are you more. experienced? You know, you kind of know. more now what you're looking for. You're. not in awe of the aesthetics. I mean, obviously, you still want someone that's. that's attractive to you in a lot of. different ways, but not so much just. they don't have to be just physically. attractive. You want someone that has a. little bit more depth to them now. So, is it is it easier now? Is it harder. now? >> No, it's it's probably hard because I. have no clue what I want. And now, not. only do I not know I want now I have.

little money. I have my own place. I. have a crazy schedule. And you have. people that some people like you for. you, some people like you because of the. things you got going on. So you don't. know which one that is. Um and uh. sometimes yes I want to have someone. with depth and someone that's patience. that can cook and like be nurturing but. then I don't want to uh commit to that. one because oh well this one you know. what I'm saying it's. you know at the end of the day it's like.

>> I'm also like an artist that's used to. like adoration if and an entertainer. I'm used to being on stage. Yeah, all. this stuff. So, it's tough when I come. off stage and I and. >> and you know, you don't have that. And. so, you're kind of always in this state. of like, do I still got that? Is that am. I doing it right for this? >> And um going into the dating world with. that thing is uh it could be tough, but. honestly, I'm enjoying. >> um being alone and and being like single. and being in my own house and just.

learning about that. And um. >> I I really like that. And um it's it's. tough, you know, it can get lonely and. stuff, but the dating thing is fun. because it's like, oh man, you know, you. got your own stuff now. You can take. trips, you can do. >> do whatever you want. You have fun and. as long as you be honest and you and. you're transparent, then it should be. cool, you know, but um everybody's. looking for different things and you. can't waste people's time. You can't um.

you know, take people around a loop and. just to you know, whatever. And so that. that's that's the tough part, man, cuz I. love having fun and um I have a crazy. schedule. So it's tough to kind of like. uh invest in being a real boyfriend. right now or like having a relationship. because you have to I know from failed. ones that it's not going to work unless. you really put the time into them. And. >> you haven't spoken a whole lot about. your your your mom and your dad. Were. they talented like you? >> My mom is an incredible like handdrawn.

artist. She can draw. She can sing. big. music nerd. >> really. >> Pops was really good with his hands. He's like a mechanic. Okay. >> Could could. >> fix anything. >> Cars. That's I think it was a mixture of. both that made me. >> Both of them had crazy hard upbringings, right? >> My pops is a twin from Philly, North. Philly. I grew up in the hoods, right? And in the 60s, crazy. And was kicked. out of his house when he was just a. young teenager and grew up on the. streets. >> And so grew up hard. >> Yeah. grew up hard and then finagled his.

way into the military just because so he. wouldn't be um without house or whatever. you call and so. >> unhoused. >> Yeah, unhoused. And so he got his made. his way in military and then him and his. twin brother were knuckleheads. They. used to go to jail for each other, you. know. They used to do all kinds of stuff. like trick the system and everything. And my mom abandoned kid from Korea, her. and my uncle found by a dumpster and. gathered and were uh adopted by black. military parents in Compton and lived in. South Central. Then, you know, she she.

was married three times, was abused with. all of her husbands and. >> with my my boss was an addict and and. you know, got on drugs and and he went. to prison for damn near trying to take. my mom's life and I saw the whole thing. and and then he went to prison for for. 14 years. I didn't get to I never got to. see him after. He died after. Then I and. then I had a step pops and then they. they were together with my mom and then. by the time I was 17 they both went to. prison for for for securities fraud and. my stepops was an addict as well. It was.

all kinds of stuff. And um I think that. through all that stuff my mom was always. very positive and very hardworking and. never like said any bad things, foul. things about the other person and that. she was in a relationship with. Everything that she she said was always. she felt like was she knew better and it. was something that um it she she would. never pointed the blame, >> you know, she took accountability on. certain things, you know, that.

especially when it came to relationships. and things that that happened. It was. like, you know, son, I always knew that. they were messed up in this way and I. just was kind of just going about it and. and that was what it was. and then it. got myself into this and this and that. and it was my own fault and then I I I I. lived this life and I took full. accountability of it and that was that. was that's what you know I feel like she. installed in me too. >> So you never had a you never had a. relationship a real relationship with. your biological father or a stepfather. So that kind of now and listening that.

you talk in the beginning of the type of. relationship that you want to have with. your kids. >> Yeah. >> Because you want to have what you didn't. have. >> Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. I want to. have what I didn't have. And um I want. to show him, you know, rather than just. tell him, I want to show him prove too. and let him know like, you know, this is. what it takes. I want to show him what. hard work brings. And um I want to let. him explore and learn life too. Um learn. things for his own. I know that I could.

provide a lot of stuff for him and kind. of pamper him. And. >> I don't want anything bad to happen to. if it's up to me. It's like I want to. both of them. I just want to just shield. them. >> Shield them forever. But it's like. >> can't do it cuz that's not that's not. how that's not the real world and that's. not how you create real, you know, people with real character and. >> um and so it's tough. But um. >> yeah, you know, and you know, even my. stepops, he was around. He wasn't. perfect, but he was definitely around. And uh from when I was like six to 17.

and we had our issues and stuff, but I. had some, you know, and um that's more a. lot of other people had. But um what I. want to do with my kids is is break a. lot of those generational curses. You. know, >> you mentioned that your father um did. drugs. Um and you mentioned I I don't. know if you dabbled or anything like. that, but how did you cope? >> Uh I coped with music, I coped with. laughter, with family, with with like. TV. And I I it was escapism. I created.

worlds for myself. Um, I was in a house. full of love and a house full of. characters. I had all sisters and a big. family and I had cousins and we would be. in that house and we would create our. own world. We would go and we would. watch wrestling and we would wrestle, you know, and we would be this and we do. that and then we would go and we watch. these movies and I'mma play this. character and this and that and then we. would go listen Tupac be like, "Oh my. god, this is crazy. I'm get gangster and. like I'mma do this." And um it was all.

escapism and it was all like to sh to. help cope with what was going on when. when I seen um my pops go to jail or. when I when when so and so would die. from an overdose or um this person now. is oh well you know they went crazy and. all this stuff. It was like damn um okay. we're going to have dinner now we're. going to have you know family time and. it was that was the things that helped. me cope. And then um I knew that I. wanted to be a part of this thing called. hip-hop. I didn't want to just rap or. anything. I wanted to be inside of it.

So, it was important for me to learn how. to. >> do something, learn a craft. So, I was. like, I want to learn how to DJ. I want. to learn how to make beats. And and it. was that obsession that made me sit in. my room and learn how to play drums. And. I could be a part of this whole music. thing. Wanted to be inside of it. And. that's how I coped. I was I would close. the door. I had a whole little room. It. had drums, NPC, turntables, everything. And I would just be in there for hours. I didn't care about nothing else. And I. was thinking about all these different. places that it would take me and and I I.

would I would watch different music. videos and and movies and um just be so. fascinated about the culture and I think. that's how it coped and um yeah I think. that that's what was like my therapy. >> As a your father was black, your mom's. Korean as a mixed race child growing up. in South Central Compton. Did. did you understand your mom's. background? Did you know that my mom's. different? And did people did kids make.

fun of you? How was that situation for. you growing up as a mixed race kids? And. And. >> we grew up black. Like Yeah. I It was no. mixed race. We were Yeah. And it wasn't. until I got older, my mom started. telling me her story. Okay. >> Cuz my mom was a workaholic. She was a. hustler. She worked. She had her own. business and she was gone a lot. And And. so we would cherish those times when she. would come home. And I'm going to tell. y'all about the story and how, you know, it came up. And she was also too very. much like we I grew up around a lot of. Latinos in my city. It was a lot of.

Latinos and white. So she was very much. like, I'm going to take y'all to LA. We. going to go to Sloth and Swap Me. We. going to go to Roscos. We going to go to. all these different things where I grew. up so you guys can be exposed to some. some cult. Okay. Very small and very different. And. um I think that it was important for her. to expose us to all those different. things and show us her her culture. And. um when she told us we were mixed, it. was almost like, "Oh, now I got. something to tell the girls." Like, you. know, I'm mixed, bro. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm Malaysian. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah.

>> You see it? Yeah. Yeah. What we on. tonight? >> You said something earlier in this in. this conversation about 3 minutes ago. You said your mom and her brother was. found abandoned by a dumpster. Was your. mom uh uh uh a mixed at from a mixed. relationship? Yeah. And that was So that. had to be around what 1950s. around the war. >> So, they were getting. >> military. Yeah. You know how it goes. Yeah. Yeah. And um you know, she's made. efforts to try to find her parents and. it was so chaotic back then. They. couldn't find any information, but.

trying to find stuff. Yeah. >> Wow. You It's funny that you say your. mom your mom like was a workaholic. She. had her own business and she was doing. things. So, she gave you a sense of what. hard work and determination what you. could accomplish, what you could. overcome. She never felt she never felt. sorry. make she never let you believe. that she felt sorry for herself or you. should feel sorry for yourself. This is. the situation. This is what we're going. to do. We're going to make the best of. this situation and we don't make. excuses. We don't Oh, poor me. Oh my.

goodness. I don't know how. >> Yep. This is it. This is what we got. This is this is this is what we got. ourselves into. This is my fault. This. is if it goes good, it's my fault. If it. goes bad, my fault. You know, this it. takes takes two people to tango. sometimes. And um she was very much like. that. And she was like, you know, when. when she fell down and when when things. happened bad with my pops, when she got. better, she was like, hey, he was great. He was a great pops to you, he got. addicted to them drugs and that's what.

changed him. But. >> before that, >> he was an amazing person and that's who. I fell in love with. And that's that's. who you should know. And if you ever get. back to that, that's who you should. know, you know. And um that's how she. always was and that's how she is now, too. you me uh she ended up losing her. business. >> Mhm. >> Um how how what what happened? >> She had a strawberry business and she. had investors that invested in her. strawberry field and we had a thing. called El Nino and um she lost all the.

crops one year and she couldn't pay back. the investors and that started a domino. effect. She started borrowing money. She. started gambling um all kinds of. different things and wasn't notifying. the government. other people started. finding out that uh she was paying. certain people back and not others and. the DA built a case around her and um. that's uh she lost the business and. eventually uh got time. >> Yeah. Had to do seven and a half years. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> A lot of your upbringing probably.

probably helped you become the. businessman the person that you are. today. You saw a lot of hardships. You. don't make excuses. You overcome. You. look at your mom's situation, how she. was came into this situation, abandoned. by a dumpster, raised by a black family, and the hardships that she had, had some. had uh made some bad decisions with men. in her life, and and men probably took. tried to take advantage of a situation, but she didn't make excuses. As I sit. here across from you today,

>> you don't make any excuses. >> I won some, I've lost some, but I keep. pushing I keep pushing forward. >> Yes, sir. That's what it is, man. And. I'm having fun. And it's like I'm. getting to make the most out of it, you. know, and I know what it's like to. appreciate certain things cuz I know. what it's like to lose them, right? And. >> um. >> know how it is to treat people with. kindness and respect. It doesn't cost. you anything. >> Nope. >> And and it might end up saving you in.

the end. You never know who you talking. to, who you are coming across, and what. they've been through. Mhm. >> So, I try to really, you know, sometimes, you know, our days get long. and we get attitudes and sometimes I. might be short with people and. everything, but um it don't cost you. nothing, man, to be kind and respectful. to every person you come around, man. You never know what the hell people been. through. And so, people think like, "Oh, he smiles. He's got all these different. things." And you know, and it's because. like, man, I had to cope with a lot of. different things.

>> Sometime you smile to hide the pain. >> Yeah. That's it. And I heard, you know, my boy uh Nory said, you know, you're. protecting your peace, you know, out. here. Like I do a lot of stuff to. protect my peace, >> right? You own a restaurant. >> Yeah. >> Um you own restaurants, more than one. >> What's uh. >> what's some of what's the probably the. number one thing that you probably. learned in business? >> [ __ ]. >> Restaurants aren't hard. I mean, they. aren't easy. They are very difficult. Very, very difficult. But I was reading.

a study say the the one thing that you. don't want the number one business that. you don't want to start is a restaurant. >> Don't start a restaurant and try to do. as much as you can without using your. own money. >> Yes. >> That's what that's what I learned. It's. like man like you want to do all these. passion projects and all these different. things, but um sometimes you don't have. to put your own everything. And um but I. love it, man. I' I've I've learned a. lot, man. I like I love being a host and. and providing experiences for people.

And I didn't plan on getting in the. restaurant business, but it was people. that reached out. And it was cool. because hardly anybody ever reaches out. to me to invest. They always want me to. be maybe like a. >> a spokesman or the face or do something. like that. Nobody ever wants. >> they want you to be an ambassador. >> Ambassador, no equity or anything like. that. And when um the one of the first. people, Christian Corbin, hit me up, he's he was really good friends with. Dre. Uh and he hit me up. He say, you. know, I want to start something, man. I. want to start my own sushi place and I. was already eating at his place that he.

managed and I was like, cool, let's do. it. It wasn't nothing that would break. me, you know. And so I invested and um. they they opened it up and now it's one. of the hottest spots at Taiisho and and. once that spot blew up um. >> uh he was like, I want to start another. spot across the street Mexican and. cassita. Now it's like they got two. spots going on the cross and I was. already partying. I was already going. out and partying at at the Houston. Brothers clubs. I think they got the. best bars and most creative speak easys. in LA. And they hit me up and they said,

"You know what? We want you to have your. own club. You're you're one of our best. friends. We want to we want to do a club. with you." And I'm like, "I don't know.". And then they just went and got the. building and and it was right by. Trouidor and and Dantana's really good. location. And yeah, um they they they. sorted out the building and they started. they just started doing it. They had the. sign already. I'm like, "All right, well. [ __ ] this is great. Yeah, I'm going. start putting my stuff in there." And. now we got, you know, one of the hottest. like lounges, supper clubs in LA. And. it's um it's fun. It's like, you know, it's it's it's all a part of the legacy.

and the brand I feel like. And and um I. I look forward to like um you know, doing more of these, especially Andes. and uh in different, you know, areas. like, you know, >> how was it making the movie K-pop with. your son? >> It was dope, man. It was was one of the. like funnest experiences, man. Being. able to hang out with my kid. He was. like 11 years old, right? and you don't. know you don't know when you're gonna. get that little time again right before. they go into the teenage years. Um to be. able to bond with him and do a script. that really he inspired um and see him.

perform on camera and being a first time. actor and kill it and take it serious. Just beyond proud, man. Beyond proud. >> You had celebrities, you had a show. Speed, you had Jaden Smith. Um, what. what what is the the biggest difference. between the movie business and the. record business? Are they are there some. similarities or. >> there's just way more money in in. involved in the movie business and it. takes way longer um and way more moving.

parts within the movie business. >> Is it more gratifying once you complete. the project because it is such so many. moving parts? >> It can be. It can be. Um, it is a lot to. do a feature film. You could talk to. directors that have been directing for. years that never get a chance to do a. feature film from their own idea, right? It's you could talk to directors that. have been I'm sorry, actors that have. been, you know, working on the craft for.

years that, you know, wait tables and. they they wait they audition and they. never get to do a feature film where. they're the lead. And I got to do both. And um uh it was the hardest thing I've. ever done, but creatively it was bliss. for me. And um yes uh both can be. gratifying finishing an album and doing. a tour and it's a successful thing and. everything but um the movie was it was. special for me because it was the first. time me jumping into that medium. >> and and and finishing it out and it took.

longer than anything I've ever done. within music. It took I'm near half a. decade from start to finish. >> and um to see and we were doing I was. telling a story that hadn't really been. done before. No one has really done a. family comedy where there's Asians and. blacks and it it's not nothing to do. with like fighting, you know, Rush Hour, Romeo Almost Die or something like that. was probably the closest thing, right? >> And so, um, I was trying to do something. different and it was pulling from the. well in my life and I'm doing the music.

I'm doing a lot of different things. So, it was definitely um it it was. definitely special, man, for me to. finish it out. >> The blended the soundtrack. >> Yeah. >> How does this come together? >> Soundtrack. I'm blending all the. cultures. Black Korean. I got Earth One. and Fire. I got Sierra J, Espa, Inmix, um, uh, Dean, Crush, man. So many like. unreleased originals, too much music, but I'm doing, you know, kind of how we. did in the movie. We're touching on both.

sides and we're bringing stuff together. The things that unite us. Really happy. about the soundtrack. It's going to be a. lot of bangers. Um, yeah, it's going to. be cool, man. >> Is K-pop bigger than rap? No, I think it's um a part of rap's. story. Okay. >> I don't think it's bigger. It's um it's. a part of the lineage. I think it's uh. you know, I think that. >> hip-hop is the culture has done so much, man. And it has influenced so much, so.

many different genres, old and new, right? >> Um it it doesn't get as much credit as. it should, I feel like. Um, and K-pop is. one of the newest branches on the on the. hip-hop. >> uh family tree that is kind of emerging. because. >> um and I think it's pulling I think. K-pop pulls from a lot more than. hip-hop, but I think it's a part of it. for sure. You know, I think again within. this within the black diaspora of music, um K-pop is one of them. And I think. that yeah, it's um it's having a huge. moment right now. Um, and it's and it's.

huge, but and and it's crazy because, um, you know, now hip-hop is kind of. falling off the charts a little bit. So, maybe you can say, I guess, chartwise. and stuff, but, >> um, I wouldn't say that. I think there's. still a lot of people that have a lot of. questions with K-pop music, modern K-pop. music. And, um, I think that, uh, it's. huge and it's blossoming and, um, it's. it's getting bigger and bigger. But now. that it's getting bigger, it's having to. deal with some growing pains and and.

answer a lot of questions. And I think. that's good for it. I think that's good. for the new generation that's going to. make um new K-pop music as well. >> Double X freshman class 2016 versus the. 2011. You got G, Herbo, Savage, Kodak, uh, Uzi Burke, Yachty, Davies, Designer, Lil Dicky, Denzel Curry, Lean, Kendrick, Mac Miller, Meek, YG, Big [ __ ]. man. A man 16 was woo,

>> it was stacked, Jack. was nothing to play with, >> man. Herbo, Savage, Kodak, Bert, Yachty, East, Designer, Dicki, >> but man, that 2011 with Kendrick. Yeah. Yeah. >> Meek M. Miller YG. >> Yeah. It was huge, man. Like that thing. meant something to us. Like put down. them classes was that was big big deal. for us, man. That was. Yeah, man. I remember like that was. crazy when I was doing that. I was doing.

a lot of different things at that point. It was like a whirlwind, >> right? And I pulled up with the craziest. outfit. And I remember I remember uh. Kodak was was chilling in the in the in. the lobby playing his music. And I mean, what's his name? Uh designer probably. had the biggest record at the time when. we did that, which is insane. >> I saw you supporting the Ventur. immigrant farmers and and field workers. Why was that so important to you? >> Because that's what the country's built. off. The the hard work and the backbone,

the sweat. believe that. >> And. >> cuz the people that do the work, they. they make it seem like the people that. are already here want to do that work. >> Right. Right. >> If they don't, >> I mean, it's it's it's it's complicated, but um I'm pro I'm I I had to support. it. And that's where I come from. And um. I feel like, you know, there should be. initiatives to protect the people that. want to come out and work and the people. that want to come out and raise families. and and and and provide uh and and be of.

any kind of and I don't mean just like. service workers, but someone that is. going to provide a positive service and. to to the country, >> whatever you do to provide to help the. community grow and prosper. >> Exactly. because that's how that's how. the whole thing started, you know, and. um you know, I know everybody feels some. type of way and um yeah, I think it's. just like you know uh any any way I I. can help um in in different ways. That's.

why it's it's funny that you know the. things that do get reported on like TMZ. and all this stuff. It's cute to get me. in the club with the the girls and. stuff, but we also have been putting. years into helping expose families and. and underprivileged uh kids to the arts. I do have a foundation as well. Every. year we pack and get thousands of people. out there to see uh world class shows. with artists that are providing their. time and donating it. And you know, none. of that stuff ever pops up on TMZ. But I.

guess it's like, you know, maybe that. doesn't drive the needle. Is it true you. fast every day until 200 p.m.? >> I don't know where you heard that. >> No, I be moving fast up until up until. about 2:00 a.m. >> 2 a.m. >> Yeah. Then I slow it down. This yak got. me moving a little. Can I have a little. bit? >> Yeah. Yeah, you're good. >> No, I mean I'll be trying different. things. I try to eat one meal a day, I. guess. >> One meal a day. >> Honestly, it just changes. >> Well, how many calories is that one. meal? >> Exactly. I don't know. I don't I need a.

meal plan. I got something. need. something. >> So, so have you have you always kind of. been this size where you're a bigger. guy? >> I was plump. Well, they used to call us. husky. >> Yeah. >> Back in the day. I don't know if that's. a proper term to say now, but. >> I was in husky jeans for about um from. about 12 about 9 to 17 years old. Okay. I got fed up. Yeah. I was I was big. You. could probably cut to a clip.

>> around this time and see like me senior. year. I was a big boy. Um, you know, >> more than 200. >> 250 plus. >> 250 plus. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> You barely You don't even wear 250. You. don't wear 200 now. >> Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm a. looked at scale in a minute. I'm a. little scared about. >> Yeah. I'm probably I'm looking like 180. >> Yeah. Yeah. That would be that's around. comfort. But yeah, I was big boy and I. and I was like, >> "How the hell you get that big?". >> I had to just get on a treadmill and. switch up my [ __ ] Like I this is I.

graduated high school in 2004 and I uh. there was two things I did. I got on a. treadmill. I was drinking like a bunch. of water. I stopped eating red meat and. pork. >> cuz I I remember seeing this this. documentary at the time and it said like. oh red meat stays in your system a long. time colon and if you're not working out. blah blah blah. So I was like all right. that's out no more. I grew up with bad. eating habits you know like my mom would. give us 20 bucks. We would just go. >> Pizza Hut Taco Bell and that was all we. used to do. So, um, by the time I was in. like out of high school, I was huge and.

I was virgin. I was like, "This is. bullshit.". >> Yeah, that will go help your cause. >> I'm about to get. >> 270. Yeah, you will help you. >> Yeah. And so, I I just I got on. treadmill and um Yeah, I just started. getting focused, but yeah, it was a. little bit of a blow up. >> We saw Michael B after his Oscar win go. to In and Out. >> Yeah. >> You say Fatburg is better. >> Yeah, I believe so. More options. Um, and for. myself, person that doesn't eat red meat. or pork, they got turkey burgers.

>> They got turkey. They don't got turkey. burgers at In-N-Out. >> Hell no. >> In and out. Have the same four things. for years. And they might have a the. grilled cheese or whatever. And then I. know they got they need to put a turkey. burger on the on the secret menu. That. would be that would be game changer. But. no. And and and also that burger you. usually stays open later than than. In-N-Out. And you can get a Friday. You. can get like all. >> Can you get Friday and get in and out? >> Can't you? I don't know. >> I ain't never seen nobody Friday. What? What? >> You can't. >> You ain't never seen nobody would know.

She You know, Cheetah, >> check out Fatburg. >> Uh, no. I I No, >> there's more options now. >> Okay. Korean barbecue. or black barbecue? >> Dang. Again, I'm I'm I I. >> You don't even But you don't eat red. beef. So, >> Exactly. So, I probably have to say. black barbecue because you get more. options. You get some chicken, you know. Um if you if you in my household, you. might you might get somebody hooking up.

a salmon in the in the black, you know. >> You get um. >> mac and cheese. >> Mac and cheese. You ain't never going to. get a mac and cheese at Korean, bro. >> Um get potato salad. >> Ah, man. I don't know about that potato. salad cuz man, y'all have some pecans. and raisins on top of Korean potato. salad is some of the best. I ain't going. to hold you. >> Bro, >> I ain't going to hold you. And we got. different sides. You got chop ch you got. you got diff some different ponchan. So. that's what they call the sides. But I. might say black barbecue, >> man. I I I don't know. But I don't know.

So but so now if you don't eat red meat, so what you mainly chicken and fish? >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah, but I'll do vegan too. >> You do vegan? >> I ain't Japanese. I'll some sushi up. >> Okay. Yeah, cuz that's your spot. Yeah. You like. >> I ain't Mexican. I'll do work to a taco. >> I don't mind. >> Hold on. What kind of taco you can get. that don't got ground beef in it? >> A veggie taco. >> You get a shrimp taco? You can get a puo. taco. >> Oh,

>> you can get a potato taco. >> I I show you around. I'm I'm. I ain't never eaten a Taco Bell. I ain't. I ain't been to no Mexican restaurants. So, I could with Chipotle count, right? >> Chipotle. >> Wait, what? Damn. Well, they think they. got maybe they got burritos and bowls. >> I ain't got the stomach for Chipotle. I. got I can't do Chipotle. >> Well, damn. >> We going to go some real thing. We're. going to take your seat. We're going to. take you around some real good. >> So, what I need quesadillas that count?

>> I mean, Damn. >> If you must, I I suppose we could get a. quesadilla. >> So, what So, so what's Mexican that I. haven't been eating? >> You ever had mole? Chicken mole? >> No. >> You might like that. >> Chicken mole. Okay. >> Mole. >> I'm writing that down. Joy. Write that. down. Chicken mole. >> Chicken mole. >> Okay. What else? >> You might like chili riano. You might. like some um what else we got? >> Um. so excited. >> So I've been I've been So So what about.

the tacos? Like the the the soft shell. tacos in hard. >> Yeah. You get some tacos. >> THEY GOT THAT AT TACO BELL. >> They do. They do. They also got um they. also got a a Dorito taco, too. Oh, you. like the Dorito taco? >> No, but that they have a lot of stuff at. Taco Bell that you. >> I thought you like options now. YOU. DON'T LIKE OPTIONS. They got options. that you don't like. You just told me. >> I like Taco Bell. >> Okay. >> I like Taco Bell. Especially when it's. late. It's a time and place for. everything. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah.

>> Oh, so so you like 1:00, 2:00 in the. morning, you come. >> That's funny. That's when we going to do. it. We don't ever make a conscious. effort to be like, you know what, we. going to do that. It's always like, >> damn, I know I shouldn't do this, but. what's over there, >> but I'm doing this. >> Yeah. But they they're great. Taco Bell. is fire. >> Edison Pack, thanks for joining us, bro. >> Thank you. >> Appreciate you, man. >> Thank you, bro. Thank you again, Double. Barrel and the Whiskey Shop in Beverly. Hills for hosting us today. With over. 3,000 different types of whiskey, the. Double Barrel has everything you need. And it's a full shop lounge so you can.

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