Who Fell Out Of Charlie’s SUV? TPUSA Makes A HUGE Mistake Releasing Alleged Text from Charlie.

All right, you guys. Happy Thursday, which is basically our Friday. At least. it's the last podcast of the week. So, we received a flurry of emails yesterday. with questions regarding the footage. that we aired, the mysterious backpack. that flies out of the trunk, the person. who picks up the backpack. People. inquiring minds want to know and we can. provide answers. We also received a ton. of emails asking for clarification. uh to identify those individuals and we. are grateful that many of you guys.

answered the call when we asked you who. are those remaining security members on. the TPUSA team. Uh and of course because. we want to be spicy, we have more. exclusive footage of the security. members on Charlie's team from September. 10th. But perhaps most importantly. today, I would now like to formally. address the text message that my debate. opponent, if that's what we're calling. him, Andrew Wilson, released while I was. in Iceland. The alleged message from. Charlie night before his death,

allegedly sent via Telegram, wherein. Charlie says he's afraid the left is. going to kill him. That message is. exceedingly problematic, but not for the. reasons that you think. Turning Point. walked right into a most wonderful trap. And I'm going to explain to you guys. why. Welcome back to Candace.

Where to begin? Where to begin? I guess. let's start with filling in some holes, some narrative holes from yesterday. Now, I asked the public if you guys. could help me out IDing some of the. remaining security members from. September 10th, and you guys obliged me. We can now complete this photo. officially. Uh team is all here. So, what I had left off was I was asking. about the guy in the far right in the.

blue shirt. We now know that that is. Todd Espie. Like I said, bright blue. shirt far right just in front of Alex. Faria and Brian Harpole. And then we had. remaining the person Chester. I think it. goes by Claude Barnes. Now, we're fairly. certain, we've done our our bit of. research here, that that is Claude. Barnes. He is at least with Integrity or. was with Integrity Solutions. And I want. to thank excuse excuser JJ86 for pulling. that one together for us. You guys have.

any more information, if we made any. mistakes, please let us know. uh we uh. would like to reach out to these people. and see if they would be willing to. speak to us. Now, many people noted how. odd it was that all of them in that. photo appeared to be wearing the same. shoes, the same outfit. I think that. that was probably done intentionally. that they wanted to be able to recognize. one another. Sort of like what I was. saying about the feds, how they'll have. or the military, they'll have a color. code for the day. So, that just seems.

like organization to me. It is. remarkable. They do kind of all have the. same shoes. Didn't strike me as odd. But. I will say what does strike me as. interesting is that Butch Hibbs is. matching them. Yeah, I asked myself that. a while ago. I said, "What are the odds. that Butch Hibbs, the mountain man, just. to be clear, not the CIA or the MSAD. man. He just likes the mountains. What. are the odds that he shows up on a whim. in matching attire?" Okay, here's Butch.

Obviously, the dress code for the. security team was to wear a plaid shirt. and to wear those brown shoes. If you. quite literally photoshopped him into. the security pick, you would just think. he belonged. We did that. Look, look at. the shoes. It's just interesting. Not. exactly what I would call mountain. shoes, but I mean, I guess I wouldn't call them. massage shoes either. Anyway, we still. do not, however, have a positive ID on a. rather crucial character, Christopher,

the security member that was on Charlie. and who drove him to the event at UVU. with Mikey McCoy and Nate Walker and. Frank Turk in the back seat. Now, I want. to show you guys some clearer images of. Christopher because I realized yesterday. we only showed you one blurry one and I. intended to show you more because his. beard was grown out and I find that men. lit their entire face changes if they. grow a beard out. Um, one person did. email us and thought that his surname. might be Join J O B I N, but we were not.

able to confirm or even find one thread. or shred of proof uh that that would be. his surname. But, like I said, I wanted. to show you some clearer images. So, we. can um reopen that part of our. investigation. Here he is, less grown out beard here. And here he is with no beard. So, you. could get a sense of he just looks a lot. younger, obviously, like all men do when. they don't have a beard. And here's. another photo of him. Believe it or not,

yes, that is our um individual that is. on Charlie. So, if you know who that is, recognize that person, please send us an. email to more tips@canisens.com. You can also send an email to. tips@candace oowens.com. Would be a person that I'd love to reach. out to for various reasons. Now, I can. tell you that I did, of course, reach. out to my sources at Turning Point USA. uh to learn more about him. When was he. hired? Who is he? I don't recognize him. Uh and I was told that he was hired late.

2024. and that he was not particularly. friendly. He didn't speak to anyone at. Turning Point USA's facilities. He was. on Charlie and so that's why nobody. seems to know his last name. And I was. also told that he was allegedly in. attendance during that fateful Hampton. Summit where BB Netanyahu called Charlie. Kirk. Something a story that we broke. and which. I mean Erica confirmed the reasons for.

that phone call. I don't know if I. accept what she told me, but uh the. Hampton Summit is an interesting one, especially given Bill Aman's odd. investment in the story. That's all we. know about him thus far. Like I said, if. you can help identify him, please do. reach out. Tips or more tips at. candlestones.com. Moving on from that, we had received a. few emails from people speculating. that maybe the keys were hidden in the. hood of the car. You know, yesterday, uh, we were trying to figure out, okay,

what's going on here? How did how how. was this door open? What kind of. security would leave a car door open? Also, what kind of security would leave. their um their vehicles, the security. vehicles blocked in so that they can't. get out. And if you rewatch the footage, I do want to say I it looks like the car. is already open. Okay? Because if you. take a look at Justin Davis and you take. a look at Blake Heriff, they arrive to. the car first. They don't go to the hood.

or to any other area. They go directly. to the passenger side door and it does. not appear that it is locked. Okay. How. do we know? Because if they had unlocked. the door on their way while they were. running, we would see that in the. footage. The back lights would flash as. back lights do when you hit the car keys. open on any modern car. And this is a. 2025 Denali. So, we know that it would. just, you know, look red and we go, someone just turned on the car. Now, in. order for them to drive that vehicle. off, of course, the keys were either.

already in the car or it was in one of. their pockets as well. It could have. been in Justin Davis's pocket. Uh, it. could have been in Blake's pocket. It. Blake could have put it in the car. And. I will say from a purely speculative. standpoint that it is at least plausible. that in the immediate aftermath of the. explosion, one of them either already. had the keys on them or perhaps were. handed the keys. Because if you watch. the footage from Charlie's front after.

the explosive goes off, both Justin and. Blake Heriff um at first sort of slide. and dive toward Charlie before then. instantly pivoting and sprinting to the. car. and we're going to isolate those. actions and show you that one by one. First up, we're going to look at Blake. Heriff. Okay, so he is going to uh dive. across the table. That's our our our. table diver. You can watch him actually. from two angles. We have the angle. behind Charlie's head, which Terrell. shared with me, and the angle from the.

crowd. Take a look at this. There he is. There's Blake. You're going. to see him kind of jump across the table. there. And many people looked at that and. thought it was possible that there was a. handoff of some description. But. actually, if you examine some side. footage, which I'm about to show you, it. looks more like he reaches into his. pocket for something, something that uh. we can deduce has to be small because he.

uses just two fingers. Uh we have no. idea if it's a car key. It could also be. something else entirely, but we're just. showing you all of this because, you. know, all these little pieces make up a. puzzle. Take a look here. There you have him. Maybe keys, maybe not. Maybe something. totally different. Can't be certain. Worth noting. Next up, we have Justin. Davis. So, he does less of a slide, a. bit more of a dive, but he is not. entirely in view. If you take a look, he.

sort of looks like he goes beneath the. ta the table before he gets up and. sprints to the car. So, we're going to. show you that. Take a look here. There's Justin in front. He turns around. there. Then he comes around. and there he is on that right hand side. there outside of the table. We can't see. what he actually does while he's down. there. But then he immediately gets up. and he runs off. Is it possible keys.

were handed to him in that moment? Sure, it's possible. Is it certain? Absolutely. not. But we're allowed to think. We're. going to keep thinking while it's legal. Then of course is the video that we. showed you yesterday and we are again. going to isolate Justin Davis um so that. you can see that he is the first to. arrive with Blake Heriff in tow to the. open passenger door of the Denali. We're. going to show you first this as just a. bright clip before we isolate who Justin. is. Uh take a look at this.

There they are. The two of them right. there. An interesting choice, by the way, to. run to the passenger door. I'm not. really entirely sure why that is. And. then he goes for that little meet and. greet in front Justin. Little huddle. Mikey. And then he gets in there. And then there comes Charlie. We're now going to show you that clip.

again. uh somewhat darkened because you. want to highlight the key characters. here. Take a look again. There's Mikey not on the phone, just. covering his ear. And now you can see. the two of them opening that door. Justin goes around to the front. Is it? Who knows? Who knows how those keys got there. or whether or not the keys were given or.

when exactly the keys were given rather. to Justin or Blake. Unless one or both. of them wants to come forward and share. their stories or fill in um some of. these holes, uh we can't know for. certain. It's obviously chaotic, but. it's also strangely choreographed in my. view, right? It's strange to me that. there doesn't seem to be any. misdirection or any fumbling or any. confusion. They all knew to go to that.

car specifically. They knew it was. available. They knew it was open. Again, this is all happening within 45 seconds. This is this is happening within 30. seconds um when you see Justin and them. get there. And as we stressed yesterday, it's especially odd to me that the. driver of that vehicle is missing. The. driver, who one might assume had the. keys, Chris, and who had previously. locked that car, at some point before. the explosive goes off, he presumably. unlocks the car and then makes decision.

to go upstairs with Charlie's assistant, Nate Walker, heading toward the Sorenson. Center, just before the bang. I mean, minutes before the bang. And like I said, some people thought. that maybe it's Mikey who handed those. skis to Justin Davis because Mikey was. in fact in the car. Maybe he had a spare. set during that little front of car. pow-wow. Maybe. I do think it's odd that. both Danny and Mikey instantly went to. that exact spot separately, but. instantly. Especially Danny because.

Danny didn't arrive in that car. Danny's. passing his car and then goes right in. the front and does that little dip and. then goes off with Mikey to the left. Now, the question that we got a lot of people. asking online uh is who fell out of the. vehicle? Somebody falls out of that. vehicle? You are correct. Somebody does. fall out of that vehicle. And we can. confirm to you that that is a different. security person. That is Alex Faria. Okay. Alex Faria. It looks as though he. attempts to get into the trunk uh where.

Frank TK is, but then he falls out. And. we can show you that with Alex Faria. isolated. And yes, in addition to that, you will see in this clip that a. backpack falls out of the car. Take a. look here. There is Alex. He gets in. And then the backpack falls out at the.

end there. Now, I do want to say. regarding Alex Faria falling out of that. car, it's a bit of a wonder that a. pastor would think it's wise for him to. be in the car above security on the way. to the hospital. Like you you would. think that he would yield to security. and say, "Okay, I'll find my own way." I. just think that feels mildly. inappropriate uh given the. circumstances. And uh speaking of Frank. Turk, there are a lot of things that he.

has said about that day that are. questionable. I mean, definitely the. CPR, the CPR story to me is the most. senseless. his excuse that Brian Harpole. was distracted and forgot that he. conducted CPR on a dying person in the. vehic in the very small vehicle. I don't. think Harpole just forgot that. I. actually think Harpole told the truth. between the two of them, if I'm being. honest, when he said that no CPR was. conducted in the car, I don't think he. was distracted. Um, also by the way, if.

you are wondering, as many of you were, who it was that picked up that backpack. that fell almost instantly, you see. someone pick up the backpack, it is. again more remarkable luck. It looks. like choreography almost. It's they're. so lucky. Uh, but it happened to be a. long time turning point USA employee, uh, Chrissy Pacico, who picks up that. backpack. It's not a random student or a. passer by or a police officer, but a. person that was in charge of logistics.

on that day, a member of the logistics. team for Turning Point USA that helped. to set up everything. That is a truthful. answer. She's there in time just to pick. up the backpack as it falls out. And I. can show we can show that again if we. want to just show that clip of the. backpack falling out and then it sort of. getting scooped by Chrissy. Here we go. Here comes the backpack. We've highlighted Chrissy there so you. can see. First thing she does is she picks up. that backpack. End of story. Just to um.

in case you guys thought it was a rando, it's not a rando. Someone on the Turning. Point USA team. Um okay. Now, I would. like to stress here that I. I expressed yesterday that I believe the. backpack belongs to Chris, the anonymous. Chris. And honestly, it's a Utah 1102 hearsay. sufficient speculation that I am making. I am inferring upon some other evidence.

that I have been withholding that I'm. going to share with you all today. Something interesting that happened. Could be interesting. I think it's. interesting. You see, around 1211 p.m., so like approximately. 12 minutes before Charlie gets hit, Chris, person that's supposed to be on Charlie, um, with keys in hand, heads to that. Denali and he unlocks the trunk and he. either puts something into the trunk or.

takes something out of whatever is in. the trunk. That part is obvious. There's. something in the trunk. that he is going, as you will see, to, I guess you could say, fumble around. with. Take a look. There he is. No one's around. And he. goes right where the backpack maybe is.

Looks like he almost put something in. his pocket. looks to the left a little suspiciously. Let's play it again for people back at. home. Here he is. There he goes. Something on that left side. again. This is approximately 1211. Put something in his pocket. Looks back.

to make sure no one is looking at him. And then he closes the trunk. And then. we know what he does next is he goes. upstairs. with Nate Walker, Charlie's assistant, toward the Sorenson building. And I do. want to stress that when we when we come. back from break, we're going to talk. about this message that Turning Point. USA released. And it's really strange. because if Charlie had expressed that he. thought the left was going to kill him. and he expressed the night before uh.

that he wanted to make sure that his. security men stayed on him as you're. going to see him this message. It's very. odd that Chris, the main person who was. on him, the main security detail on him. would go upstairs with his assistant. I. don't think Nate Walker needed to be. guarded. I don't think that's what Charlie meant. in this alleged text message. And I'm. going to tell you why I'm saying alleged. in a moment. Let's take a brief break. and we'll come right back. All right,

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I mean allegedly they didn't do they. weren't looking at rooftops. They didn't. do a walkound prior to what could have. been in Sorenson. I mean what are the. chances, right? What was in his pocket? We got to find out. Maybe we will find. out. Maybe there's some more pieces that. we can put together next week. Anyway, so while I was in Iceland, Turning Point. USA, namely Andrew Kvette, green lit. Andrew Wilson coming out with an alleged. telegram message from Charlie Kirk the.

night before he was killed. Now, this is. the same message that Andrew Wilson. bizarrely read as his opening statement. in our debate. Our debate was not about. Charlie's messages the night before. Very strange that he would read that. and then didn't want to show it on our. during our debate and then he released. the alleged message on his show. Now, what's very strange about this, immediately strange and should strike. you as.

ever intentional is that Turning Point. will not acknowledge his authenticity. and that Turning Point did not choose to. instead since their whole narrative that. they have been trying to push that left. this did this. Why didn't they release. this immediately? Why didn't Turning. Point USA give this to the New York. Post, give this to the Daily Mail, say, "Aha, here it is. Evidence that he was. terrified of the left." No, to the. contrary, they did the exact opposite. I. was the one who revealed and I did not. say the left because I was told it did.

not say the left. I was told that he. said they are going to kill me to Dan. Flood. And uh I have it on good. authority also that the message went out. to Dan Flood via iMessage, not Telegram. To strike you again as remarkably odd. that Turning Point USA hands it to a. third party who we know is happy to lie. He he'll lie about what he said two. seconds ago. He'll lie about what he. knows. He'll lie. It just was really our.

debate was 3 hours of him trying to. gaslight me about things that were said. moments earlier, pretending that he knew. the charges, all sorts of things. Why. would they hand this to a chain smoking. liar. rather than giving it to someone. reputable to publish it and say this is. authentic, but you know what? rather than me um. assert that I believe that the message. is a recreation of a message that was. sent on iMessage, not Telegram, sent to.

Dan Flood and with the words the left. added. Let's for a moment do what the. defense does during a probitative. hearing. Let me actually engage in their. arguments. Let's pretend for a moment. the message is real because they made a. very very big mistake. This is the text. message that he released. Again, this is. Telegram. And uh Charlie wants to know what what's. the lay of the land. Dan Flood comes.

back and says, "Yes, law enforcement has. been fully supportive and has agreed uh. to the security plan and posture. Tomorrow's event will be covered by both. my team and campus PD. If additional. support is required, uh patrol units. will be available." And Charlie says, "Thank you. The threats are higher than. ever." And then that gets cut off. And. Dan says, "I have 11 on site." I don't. know why we would include that message. about the threats. Uh then Charlie said,

"Okay, great. Delicately remind them. that they are there for one person, security only. I'm somewhat worried. about the left trying to kill me." just. said separately by itself there. Dan then comes back and says, "Just so. you are aware, I will be," and I'm going. to say Dan because that's what I was. told. Remember, I'm the one who told you. about these messages. I'm the one who. broke the story and they gaslit me and. now they're admitting it but saying it. was the left.

Dan, this allegedly should be Dan comes. back and says, "Just you're aware, I. will be strict with allowing people into. our bubble. I can't have distractions in. there. As we spoke of earlier, we are. here for one priority. And then uh Dan. replies to Charlie having said, "I'm. somewhat worried about the left trying. to kill me by saying, I've got you. I. will do all in my power to make that. extremely difficult." To which Charlie. likes that on Telegram. Now,

immediately the internet clocked that. this actually made me look good because. back when Erica did her first PR blitz. in December of 2025, it was me who had. been telling the world that Charlie sent. two messages the night before. He was. worried that they were going to kill. him. I actually revealed this on October. 7th. You can go back and watch the. episode. Uh, and I was explicit in. saying that it was not the left. um as. this unconfirmed text message reads. But.

they in fact uh when Andrew Kovette told. me this information because he was my. source and he told me he received one. message and Dan Flood received the other. and I covered for him and said it was a. donor um as well as somebody close to. Turning Point USA. I specifically asked Andrew Kovette who. Charlie meant by they. So, I was told. this in the week after Charlie died by. Andrew Kovette. Okay? And I specifically.

prodded that narrative and I said, "Who. is they?" And he told me that he did not. know. So, I'm not going to pretend. He. said, "Oh, it was it's the Jews in. Israel." He didn't say that. Uh, he. said, "I don't know." And I thought. that's weird. Like, who just randomly. would text Andrew Kova and be like, "They're going to kill me." Like, who's. going to randomly then text Sam Flood. and say, "They're going to kill me." And. not be more explicit. I would have. obviously remembered if he said the left. because I communicated it instantly on. my show on October 7th and said this is. exclusive. This is he sent it to two. people.

Yet despite me knowing about Charlie's. concerns and knowing about these message. back in September and informing my. audience on October 7th, months later in. December when Erica hit the circuit. clearly with the express purpose of. debunking what I had said, she denied. the messages existence. She went to BL. Glenn Beck and here's what she said. Take a listen. >> I know the the tour that was the first. stop of the tour and I know you too had. met with your priest uh the night before.

and. >> did do you think Charlie. knew to some degree and had made the. conscience the conscious choice that. I I may be taken out early. Not saying. he knew that that day, but that he had. any inkling that this might come his way. and that. he intentionally chose to move forward. with faith in God.

>> It's interesting because we always we. have I mean I still I have unbelievable. amounts of death threats. My kids have. kidnapping threats, death threats. Our. whole team has death threats. We we knew that there was always going. to be a threat, but Charlie and I always. we promised each other we would never. live in fear. And he would say, "If. they're going to get me, they're going. to get me." But he was not messaging. people the day before saying, "I'm going. to be murdered. They're coming after me.

Someone's going to kill me." He didn't. He didn't say that. And I have a cell. phone. >> Didn't say that. >> Spicy. He didn't say that. and I have a. cell phone and it's important to. remember that Andrew Kovat was doing PR. with her and traveling with her at this. time. So, it would really is weird that. Andrew Kovat would tell me that and not. tell Erica months later. We're supposed. to believe that Erica was completely. ignorant on these messages until I. clocked her. That was the original TPUSA.

sin, so to speak, that I said, "That's. really weird." And the next day I went. on my show and I said, "She's lying. Erica is lying there. That's very. strange. these messages absolutely were. real. Um they were received by Dan Flood. and Andrew Kovvat. And then I met up. with Erica. They very quickly then. reached out and she was like, "Oh yeah, no, the messages are real. We uh real.". Once you said that, then I went in and I. saw that Charlie, she said something. about connecting it to the phone to the. internet and she then confirmed with the.

team and Charlie had the phone set to. autodee on his signal and his telegram. who I didn't reveal to Erica is that a. trust that I a source that I trust. deeply much more than I trust Erica and. who has been more consistent on telling. the truth about what happened on that. day said that text messages were. received on iMessage. So I am not. inclined to believe that these messages. are on Telegram. But actually there's something bigger. boys and girls the trap that they walked. right into.

More interesting than this this whether. or not the message is edited or not is. that Andrew Wilson provided timestamps. The internet literally did not clock. this. Now Andrew Andrew Wilson, if you. had listened to me and how much I love a. timeline, my official timeline, you. would have recalled that I have been. meticulous about Charlie's schedule on. September 9th. every hour of what he was. doing that I could populate onto my.

official timeline confirming his. whereabouts what he was doing. And what. is interesting about when Charlie sent. this these alleged panicked messages to. his security Dan Flood and to Andrew. Kovette, which he has not yet addressed, is that he sent them when he was on the. now notorious Zoom call with leaders in. Israel.

Let me jog your memory regarding. Charlie's final day uh day before he. died September 9th. Erica, remember he comes back from. Korea, so he's jetlagged. Erica said. that she woke Charlie up for his Fox. News hit. That's per Andrew Kovette. At. 1:00 p.m., Charlie appears in the Will. Kane show from his Turning Point USA. office studio. Uh he then jumps right on. to a 40minute interview on Mark. Halprin's show. At 3:00 p.m., Erica told. me that she was getting her nails done.

and that in this hour is when Charlie. had that back and forth and fight on the. phone and said that he was leaving the. pro-Israel cause. And no, he was not. saying it tongue and cheek. That's at. 3:54 p.m. That message was sent. Suddenly, there's a Zoom call, an emergency Zoom. call. It seems to be this was an. emergency Zoom call because we have. Charlie, we have Josh Hammer, we have. Frank Turk, we have Rabbi Wiki, we have.

two Israeli officials that are on the. Zoom call as well as Blake Nef and. Andrew Kovette if Rabbi Wickiki is to be. believed. He says that actually we'll. show you that in a second. Um that his. producers were on the phone call. So I. want you to picture that, okay? that in. during the time that he is on this phone. that he is on this Zoom call and Andrew. Kovette is on the Zoom call Charlie. texts him texts Andrew allegedly as.

Andrew told me he told me this. explicitly. he receives a text and says they're. going to kill me. Andrew says he doesn't. know what who he was referring to, but. if you were on a Zoom call with Israeli. officials after you said that you were. leaving the pro-Israel cause and Rabbi. Wiki confirmed, by the way, he was the. only one who told the truth, everyone. was like, "This call was just daisies. and it was about prepping." Rabbi Wiki. actually said, "Yeah, it got a little. contentious. Charlie was playing devil's.

advocate. Uh, you know, Charlie was. pushing back, asking us about Gaza. If all of that is to be believed, because I said, "Why would Charlie just. send you?" "They are going to kill me.". No context. Well, the context might have. been, Andrew, in reference to the Zoom call that you. were on when this message was sent. You're on the phone, you say, you text. to someone, it's not going well, they're. going to kill me. that that might have. been the they. If I was using my context.

clues, if I was in an English class and. they said who is the they that he is. referencing in this moment, it would be. who he was currently on the Zoom call. with. Here's Frank describing who was on the. call. Take a listen. So the next day we had a meeting. uh a Zoom meeting with a couple of. people in Israel. and uh a couple of people in the room.

and another person an expert on Israel. in the United States and we were asking. them and Charlie was asking them tell me. your perspective on what's going on with. Hamas now and the Israeli situation. tell me I want to be better able to. answer questions when I get questions on. this. >> So, contrary to popular opinion, some. popular opinion that Charlie was giving. up on Israel, that's not true. He was. trying to prepare himself to know the. facts and be better able to answer those. questions. This is the day before he was.

murdered. We're in this meeting. I'm in. the meeting with him. So the next day we get up, we fly up to. Utah. and um he actually we had to stop to do. a. uh he was going to do a presentation to. a group of restaurant tours because his. cousin was a restaurant tour and said. Charlie come speak to my group of of. restaurant owners. >> So which we stop at this. So there is.

what we have Frank telling us the story. that Charlie had written this text. message said that he was abandoning the. pro-Israel cause that he wanted to bring. Candace back. They tried to turn this. into some tongue andcheek text message. It wasn't that. Andrew did not tell me. it was that. Andrew clearly was. concerned enough about being on this. text thread that he sent it to Joe Kent. when asked about threats and things and. he thought that this message was. relevant enough to send to Tulsi.

Gabbard's office to investigate further. It was not tongue and cheek because when. I asked Erica about this message, she. didn't say it was tongue and cheek. Charlie was angry. Then we have from Rabbi Wiki that he. kept up that energy. He said in various. interviews, you can go back, we have. shown that he he was the only one that. told the truth that this call was not. some peachy, oh, we just want some. debating talking points. Even when he. spoke to the New York Post, he said, quote, he was working out talking. points, playing the role of devil's. advocates, devil's advocate, pushing up.

on these issues, trying to sharpen the. iron. He was in a combative mood, he. recalled, but that was good because he. was preparing for debates and he was. preparing for attacks. And like I said, we showed you a clip of him discussing. this call and he was clear. Charlie was. upset on this call. He was done with the pro-Israel cause. This is not something Erica denied or. tried to clean up or tried to present to. me in our 4-hour meeting like it was. tongue andcheek. He was angry. He was.

upset with the pastors. It was something. that was happening slowly and then. happened very quickly. So, there are one. of two versions of this that you can. believe. that Charlie sends this message and he. is upset and he is angry and he says. that he will no longer be bullied. He. has donors that have just taken millions. of dollars from him the day before. threatening him. He says he's no longer. going to be bullied and that he is. abandoning the pro-Israel cause. and. that after that they had this wonderful.

peachy meeting and for some reason 47. minutes or so into this meeting. Charlie's like I'm worried the left is. going to kill me and then he sends. Andrew a message and he says they're. going to kill me and then he sends Dan. Flood a message and he says they're. going to kill me but he really meant the. left while he's on this phone call with. Israeli officials and mind you in Israel. it's 4:00 in the morning. That's That seems to me like this was an.

emergency call about Charlie's. statements in the group. That's what it. feels like to me. My common sense tells. me that people when you say, "Hey, when. you want to set up a call," they don't. say 4:00 a.m. in the morning, not. urgent. Charlie knows how to debate. He's. smarter than every single person on that. call. He needs Blake Nef and Frank Turk. Look, look at these guys, okay? He needs. Blake Nef and and Frank Turk and uh. Andrew Kovette helping him to fashion.

his debate skills. or or. this is an intervention. Charlie is done with the pro-Israel. cause. He is pushing back on them. He's. always going to be polite. It's Charlie. Whatever happened on that call, he's. side texting Andrew Kovette and he says. they're going to kill me. Andrew then. later tells me that text message, but. then says he doesn't know who they is. He tells me about the damn flood message. and he tells me that he doesn't know who.

they is. Never once in our. communications did Andrew Kovette say. that Charlie said the left. And like I. said, you can bet that I am telling the. truth because had Charlie had said the. left to both Andrew and Dan Flood, that. would have been the front page headline. story as they were shoving down our. throats that this was about trans. issues. Okay, this is the group that sells out. everything Charlie writes, anything. that's in his personal diary, nice. notes, anything bloody mics. If they. could have sold to the public that the.

left had done this, this is I forgive. him. Talking about trans issues, that. man, that man, I forgive him, they would. have provided that message not to a. chain smoking idiot, but to what they deem to be a. respectable publication to push out that. narrative. Instead, they denied because. what I said was true. He did not say the left. They denied. They denied. They denied. And then Erica. went and did her PR blitz, the stop,

just stop. We mentioned Fort Wuka. She. says stop, just stop. Looks at the. camera. That backfires and she goes on. on uh the Glenn Beck show. He tease her. up with a question. I have his phone. Nope. We can shut that down. Candace has. been lying to you. Everything Candace. told you. However, in the first three. weeks after. they gaslit and then they had to come. out and admit it was true. I told you. about the Hamptons. Okay, I told you. about BB Netany and Yahoo's call. I told.

you about the text message leaving the. pro-Israel cause which they denied until. I dropped it. Okay, they I told you. about two messages that he received. Go. back, watch it the night before. They denied that as well. They are the ones that keep having to. admit to the truth. I haven't changed my. story. I haven't changed my story about. what happened and I'm going to stick to. it. And like I said, those messages did not. say the left.

So, Turning Point USA would like to come. out and clarify that those messages are. real and that those messages on Telegram. were not edited in any way to include. the little line about the left. I'd like to hear it straight from your. mouth because I have it on very good. authority that the message was sent to. Dan Flood on iMessage, not on Telegram. And I trust nothing that you guys say. because you have lied so many times and. your stories are all running into each. other. Again, it was not smart to release those.

messages with timestamps because now you. have to explain why Charlie felt the. need to send messages about his security. and his fear of dying while he was on a. call with Israel. 4:00 in the morning, Israel time to be. clear and absolute nonsense. Anyway, we're coming up against time. We are. going to take a break and we'll be right. back. All right, you guys. Would you. rather have a stranger follow you. everywhere that you go or share your.

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I can't get over a rabbi, a priest, and a pastor. All people that. Charlie saw the night before he died. Yeah, that sounds like the beginning of. a joke. That sounds to me like panic. It sounds. like an intervention. It sounds like. Charlie was done. And then we're. supposed to believe that after this, after sending that he thought he was. going to die, not expressing this to his. wife, he went home and just was so. excited. So excited about an event that.

he does for a living. This is what. Charlie does for a living. He But this. was like never before. He just could not. sleep. Was rustling around. Woke up his. daughter. Or Charlie was stressed out because he. thought they were going to kill him. Again, you get to decide which narrative. makes more sense. His daughter just woke. up at 3. and o'lock in the morning because. Charlie was just so excited. You know.

how much I've traveled with Charlie to. do events? Charlie being so excited he cannot sleep. the night before doing a college event. I've never seen it. I've never seen it. I'm going to call on that, Erica. Pardon my language. And when I noticed these lozeners on the. ground of his car, a lot of little lozeners all around. Maybe it looks like perhaps Nate Walker. picked them up. We see the bag. It's not. an Uber bag. It looks like they went to.

some sort of a convenience store. I. gather that Charlie's. throat was hurting him from the lozenge. lozengers that were all littered across. the SUV that he was in. And that makes. me think that at some point Charlie. might have been shouting the night. before. Again, I'm just putting together. my context clues of everything that I've. seen and what I think happened. I I. think Charlie was shouting. I think Charlie didn't sleep because as.

he expressed he was worried that they. were going to kill him. And I've got to. tell you, I don't think they. was the furry community. That's where I'm at. Maybe you could share some more. messages, Erica. Apparently, he didn't. open up to you. And your cobat didn't. tell you and your best friend Cash Patel. didn't tell you that he had these. messages that he sent the night before.

for you wanting your little PR blitz to. lie to the public. Well, we'll keep turning up the heat. We. can keep doing that. Have no problem. doing that. Anyway, top comments from yesterday's. episode. Ally writes, "Notice how all. the normal people are sprinting because. they think there is an active shooter. at Charlie's friends stand, record. themselves, and then take camera. footage. Yeah. I mean,

some people it's fight, you know, some. people it's flight, some people it's. secure the SD cards. Everybody knows. that. I learned that in health class. Simon Reigns writes, "So they had to. lock down the hats from the thieves, but. the $100,000 SUVs were sitting there. open and ready to drive." Yeah, some. security. Also, it's interesting that uh Brian. Harpole's claim he as he told Shawn.

Rhinest should have pulled it from the. episode was that Charlie had no fears. night before, but now Turning Point USA. is disputing that. They're they're now. saying that he did have fears and. communicated them to his security team. That registers to me as incompetence. You're suing me for saying the security. team is incompetent. Well, why wasn't. that expressed to everybody on the team? That he said, "I don't want anyone. allegedly to leave my side.". And then the person on him goes upstairs.

with his assistant registers to me. as a security failure. as incompetence. So I'm going to stand by my opinion that. the security team was incompetent. It's weird that they didn't even put him. on the ground after he got hit. Did you. know that they put him onto the giant. travel kit? like the travel suitcase for. the AV stuff. Charlie, when he goes. down, his body is never laid on the.

ground. It is laid on top of one of. those suitcases that tech people carry. all their material in. Weird. That reg that seems incompetent to me. You lay somebody flat, you don't put. them on a travel suitcase for tech. Anyway, um I can tell you guys that we have just. getting into some stuff that we are. releasing. You know that we've been. working with the Vulnerable People. Project. They have a new documentary and.

we have it up on our website. It is. called Inside the Vatican's Secret Deal. with China. And in 2018, the Vatican. entered a secretive deal with the. Chinese Communist Party. The idea was to. make things better for the Chinese. Christians um that the CPP was. oppressing. But since then, it's only. gotten worse. Bishops are disappearing. in China. priests are forced to submit. to an officially atheistic government. Worst of all, Beijing is appointing its. own loyalist bishops, ignoring the. Pope's directions. This dark secret deal. doesn't just compromise Catholics in.

China. It binds and silences the whole. church. Even Pope Leo himself has. nervously refused to comment on it when. asked on camera. Pope Leo inherited this. deal, of course, but Pope Leo can end it. and make sure that it's never renewed. The Vulnerable People Project covers all. of this in the newest documentary that's. up on our website again entitled Inside. the Vatican Secret Deal with China. Actually, it's going to be available. tomorrow at kennison.com. We can now get to your comments from. today's episode. We have Ally, who. writes, "Oh, sorry, I read that already.

That was from yesterday's episode." From. today's episode, Ally, nope, said it. again. Sorry. Pregnancy Brain True. Detective writes, "Whenever I felt down. on myself, I would watch reruns of To. Catch a Predator. Now, when I need. encouragement, I just watched 10-second. clips of Frank Turk, Andrew Wilson, and. Erica Kirk, and realized life could be. so much worse. I could have gone the way. of Judas. Also, FaceTime, Pickle Jar, and Glitter Pants are the worst. nicknames to have in prison. That's very. funny. I mean, Andrew Wilson is just. like we're, like I said, bottom of the. barrel now. I mean, they will whoever is.

willing to lie to the public, they will. team up with. Uh, and like I said, it. reflects where they are at. They are not. behaving honestly. They are lying. repeatedly. uh especi especially Blake. Nef. There's nobody that gets community. noted faster for trying to lie to the. public about various aspects of this. case, lying about who Charlie was. friendships and like I who he was. friends with and like I said, you sense. a desperation in Blake's and Andrew's. lies now. It's a desperation. I It's. insane to say Candace Owens and Charlie. Kirk were not friends. That is like an.

insane thing to say and it can only be. uttered out of sheer desperation to try. to get a handle on the narrative. Scotty Thrive Tribe writes, "Does. anybody have a definitive list of. missing evidence? Example, the body cam. discovering the rifle and towel, the. body cam of Tyler asking a cop a. question, the surveillance of the first. cop approaching the screwdriver, uh the. necklace, metaglass glasses that were. recording, the camera behind Charlie, TPUSA text." No, I think we just created.

one. That's good. We'll keep that. You. know, I love a list. You know, I love to. organize a list. I can put it on my. official timeline. Deeply upset some. people. Why is it on the timeline? Cuz. it's mine. I like to say organized. It's my. timeline. James the least writes. Blake. Blakey has been entirely truthful about. one thing that Mikey is bubbly. I don't. know anything that Blakey has been. truthful about. But you know, Charlie, I.

can tell you I don't believe he liked. Blake, but he did like Mikey. I can tell. you that for a fact. He had a. relationship with Mikey. And I think. that Mikey was the most uncomfortable. and they sensed a weakness in Mikey from. the beginning and that's why they were. constantly reassuring him with all these. adjectives. I think Mikey knows more um. than he has communicated. And look, I I. know more than I've communicated and. it's all going to come out. It is. Joey. Wright writes, "Hey, Candace, regarding. Charlie's SUV, I remember when they.

pulled up to UVU, Charlie's SUV pulled. forward and got out to the right of. where the SUVs were parked because. that's where Charlie Kirk meets the. mountain man. So maybe after Charlie. Kirk got out, someone backed the SUV. in." Yes, I believe that's on camera and. it is Chris who backs the SUV in while. Charlie walks forward um with Frank and. other security guard guard members. I. think I think he walks forward with. Blake Heriff. Uh, and Dan Flood is. definitely with him as well. Joey Wright. writes, uh, I'm sorry, I just read that.

I am suffering from end of pregnancy. brain. So, you guys are have to bear. with me. You know, this always happens. Talks with TIFF writes, "Hi, Candace. I. know you get a ton of emails, but did. you get my email with the UVU documents. for event event planning? Uh, the. documents show TPUSA rejecting EMS. asking for three parking spots as close. to the courtyard as possible. I did not. get that. And if you could resend, that. would be very helpful. I will go look. for that. And you are correct. I I've. expressed this before. My source was.

solid on the fact that Turning Point USA. insisted on being outdoor despite them. advising that there was no traffic. control, meaning that we wouldn't be. able to look at people's tickets. That. is now stunning given the text messages. that Turning Point USA purports to be. real. That Charlie was afraid. Let's. take it at face value. Let's say he said. the left to Dan Flood. They had an outdoor event, open event. while Charlie was scared for his life. That seems weird. No ticket control. No. people behind sitting in the audience.

Perhaps security. No, that's. interesting. I I would say security failed him on. that day. K. Willis writes, "I'm thinking Blake. Nef, Andrew Kay, and those others are. terrified and that is why they are. behaving the way they are because they. could be next since this information is. coming out." I mean, look, I I would be. terrified if I was them as well because. like I said, lies have an expiration. date. The truth doesn't.

And they're lying. They are lying. without question. Why they are lying, we. don't know. Sarah writes, "So that security crew. photo is their pre-eployment photo. I. think it should be the quote," "These. guys failed to complete their mission. successfully"ly photo. Oh, sorry. I. meant the mission that Charlie was. paying them to achieve my bad. Yeah, that photo looks like it's being taken. on the Hall of Flags up there. Um, I. don't know when it was taken, but um, you can see obviously that Chris is not.

in it, the person that was on Charlie. So, we can assume that it was earlier in. the morning. Here, I don't know how to say this last name. writes, "It's like Charlie saw the walls. closing in and just wanted to go back to. the good old days of being brutally. honest about everything with his big. sister, Candace, by his side on tour. Rest in peace, Charlie." Yes. And that. was not the only them trying to sort of. downplay the message of him saying he. was leaving the proial cause. That was. not the only message that Charlie sent. that day. He sent the message to other.

people at Turning Point USA saying that. he wanted me back for Amfest and he made. that very clear to them. It was a. directive. It was not a suggestion. And. like I said, they're hiding all of this. stuff. Because. why? You tell me. Because why? You fill in the blank. Why Why do people lie? Well, the answer is they're always. lying. Uh because they're scared of the. truth being revealed. What is the truth. that they are scared of having revealed?

Lastly, Brooke writes, "Sending my love. from Houston. Stay strong, stay blessed, and keep fighting for truth." Thank you. guys. Uh we we are only at this point. because of your patience, because of. your steady interest, because of you. guys not letting this go, because of all. of the um investigators, smaller YouTube. channels, bigger YouTube channels coming. together and saying that this is an evil. that cannot stand. And um I just thank.

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