Victor Marx: The Man Who Weaponized Faith. | Candace Ep 329

All right, ladies and gentlemen, get. locked in. I have a good one for you. I. told you about this yesterday. There's a. lot to unpack and I think it could. provide a lot of answers to some. lingering questions that we have. I am. very honored to welcome Corby Hall, the. Candace Owens Show. >> Well, all righty then. [laughter]. >> That's how you do it. that if you don't. take the glasses off then no one's going.

to no one's going to believe you. People. >> need the glasses. >> so that people know you mean business. >> Aren't we waiting on somebody? >> No, we are not waiting on anybody. He's. not coming. Victor does not want to sit. across from you, which I thought Victor. Marks it would be a good idea to have. you all here because I can't contest. anything he says. I am not the fold AR. uh company and I did not have these. conversations with him. Uh, but it's. okay because I'm actually happy to have. just you. I do think that if he was. here, he would dominate the. conversation. Um, everything that I.

learned about Victor Marks, I learned. against my will. I want my audience I. want to be very upfront about where I am. at on this conversation, why I was so. drawn to your story. Um, and why I. believe they will be so drawn to your. story. I think uh we are at a very. interesting place in America where we. know we are being sort of abused by the. media. Um we know that they're lying to. us about everything. There's for me the. world before Charlie Kirk died and the.

world after Charlie Kirk died and it. seems like there's been an increase in. this sort of I don't know like tactic to. uh make us think that we're the crazy. ones when nothing is making sense. And. when I read your story and learned about. Victor Marx, there were so many themes. that were coming up here. This idea of. the pastor, this idea of you can't. question this because the Lord has. willed this. This is what we're all.

feeling right now, like faith has been. used to manipulate the masses and. actually to maybe cover up for evil. So, I want you to know that when we have. this conversation, I will interject and. put my opinion. As always, it does not. need to become your opinion. Feel free. to say, Candace, I don't believe that. That sounds crazy. That could be a. conspiracy. Um or say, "I plead the. fifth." You could just say that you want. to stay mom. >> Yeah, sure. >> Um but I wanted to give you a chance. because I know that Victor Marks has a. following. You do not. And he has been. instantly right out of the gate saying.

that you are a crazy person, which is. one of their favorite tactics. Everybody. who disagrees with me is an insane. person. So, who actually are you? Corby. Hall. >> Well, I own a company called Fold AR. I've got the patent on the most compact. uh AR-15 in the world. And our mission. is school resource officers. And uh so. it's it's been a long journey. This. isn't something that just popped up. overnight. You know, this has been a.

20-year journey for me. and uh you know. we we've done really well in the market. place for for the size of the company. and and um the amount of resources that. were available to us. You know I just. got back from Ice Off. So that was the. big you know you've you've kind of made. it. Um jumping over that bar was was uh. exhilarating to say the least. And that. special forces operators from around the. world. I I got to shake hands with a lot.

of IDF and and uh all other kind of. special forces came out and shot my. weapon systems and loved it. So, it was. an honor. You know, this is Old AR. The. brand itself has been here since 2018. >> Okay. >> And uh we're a small company out in the. sticks, East Texas. And um just a few. employees and we make a few thousand. rifles a year. And uh yeah, it's uh you.

know, it's it's the most compact, but. it's also a caliber swap. You. [clears throat] know, push one pin, barrel system comes off, you can change. your calibers, your barrel links, push. the pin back in, and you're ready to go. with another caliber. >> And we're we're not going to tell people. back at home how you just had to slowly. explain to me the very basic functions. of a gun. We're not going to tell them. that. >> No, let's not tell them. >> I knew everything. >> Yeah, [laughter] he's knows it all. >> I know it all. So, I did just get a nice. crash course. It It's a very interesting.

product. You could see um why you would. have special forces interested in that. product. And something that I think. jumped at my audience in general when it. came to the fold AR was the idea of a. pastor. I know now he says he's not a. pastor, but his website certainly did. say he was a pastor at some point. Uh. being interested in this product. So, I. I'd just love to hear about how you met. Victor Marx.

Well, uh, late November of 23, my wife. was showing me some of the Instagram. post that he was making and he was. demoing compact weapon systems and it. was like it was kind of framed around, you know, Victor is looking for the most. versatile compact weapon system that's. out there that um, and I don't think he. announced it as he was looking for a. signature series at the time, But uh.

nonetheless, she had me message him and. he responded right away and invited us. up to his house in Colorado Springs. So. we drove from East Texas to Colorado. Springs on uh I think December the 1st. and um. >> what year? >> 23. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And so we got there and there was. a there was quite a few people there. There was I think there was probably. around 20 15 to 20 people there. some. family, some friends, some security. guys,

>> and uh all really nice people. Everybody's really kind to us and uh we. got to meet all of them individually and. talk to all of them. Um, so we went into the Dojo house where. it's like a karate mat and kind of wide. open space and I was demonstrating it, you know, pulling it out of a backpack. and deploying it and teaching some of. the people that were there how to deploy. it. >> This sounds like a pretty big property.

>> It's not that big. Um I would say I. would say like. four to five acres maybe. >> Okay. So 5 acre property. Mhm. >> Okay. And but they're doing gun demos. just in a studio where he does DOA did. you say? >> Yeah. Yeah. So just a studio area. >> at first. >> Okay. >> And so we we did that for an hour and it. was disc mostly discussion of course and. so we're not deploying it and shooting. it at that point. But um you know.

>> any other people that were just people. friends not in the industry whatsoever. just like local friends of theirs. >> I don't know if they were all local. Um. but nonetheless everybody treated it. Everybody was really nice. >> Okay. So, um, after that portion of it, we went out to the gun range, which was, uh, just a 25 yard range that's that was. at the back of the property, and it had.

like tender framing around it, and it's. kind of dug into the ground. So they got to shoot right there and. deploy and and uh so everybody got their. rounds and and we got pictures and uh my. wife got to shoot the gun and with. Victor and she was excited about that. Got some pictures and anyways I you know. I kind of stay back like I don't put. myself in the middle of everything and. so I show everybody what to do. Make.

sure everybody's safe. We got you've got. uh security type former military people. there. Everybody knows how to shoot a. gun. And so I'm just kind of sitting. back at my vehicle which is parked at. the back. And and uh Victor comes up to. me. He's like first thing he said was. you know not the first thing of the. whole meeting but first first thing he. said in this moment was. you know I don't really meet too many. people that are at the pinnacle of their.

industry. And to me, I don't take overt compliments very. well. Um, that was really the first time. that anybody significant had said. anything like that to me cuz I'm still. very small company, almost invisible in. the industry, even though I'm well known. in the in the industry, but in the. general marketplace, kind of invisible. And so I.

When I heard that, I was like, "Okay, at. least somebody gets it." Like, I'm not. trying to get a badge of honor here. But. that was that was nice to after 18 or 17. years of work at that point. >> Wow. And uh so he said, "Well, you know, I've got some signature series. that I'm looking at with uh he named off. a few different companies and you know,

bigger companies." Like, "Yeah, but this. one's the only one that makes sense.". And for me, I already know what my weapon system is. So, validation doesn't really mean anything. to me from other people, but um it was. again a reaffirmation that somebody gets. it. >> Mhm. And we had already had. conversations, you know, back at the at.

the DOA house, whatever you call that, um, about our mission with going on the. backs of school resource officers and. and, uh, well, it wasn't our mission at. that point in time, but it was brought. up as a topic and and we had sold quite. a few to school resource officers, but. again, it wasn't. it wasn't so much, you know, our our mission wasn't. established until we left the Marxes and.

I'll walk you through that. So, when we walked in, well, so we get done. with the shooting at the range and we've. already at this point we've been there. for like four or five hours. So they invite us into their house and. it's uh it's. getting dusk I suppose. Um, and you know, Victor opens the door.

and my wife goes in and as he's going. in, he says, "You know, everybody has. been talking and we've noticed too. Me. and Eileen have noticed that, you know, you and your wife just have a like a. unique connection that. is unusual. Like you're finishing each other's. sentences. you're talking to multiple. people and like automatically know where. the other one left off and you fill in.

the gap and and the way you look at each. other and you know it just that was. normal for us. Like we we're already 3. years into the relationship and we we. had little thing where we called you. know twin flames and and uh you know it. was natural to us. And so we had this. other thing, you know, 11-11 and not. into all the angel numbers, but you. know, that was our thing, our our unique. connection. And, you know, he opens the. door and he's and he's and he says, you.

know, I feel the hand of God on y'all. or or God's favor. I feel God's favor on. y'all. and y'all are about I I you know. he's telling me that y'all are about to. come into an abundance as we're walking. into the house. And so, you know, having worked in on this for. so long up to that point, there's been a. lot of instances where people have told.

me like, "Oh, this is about to take off. You're about to make all this money and. get all this attention so many times. over the years.". And so. that was one of those moments where. inside. it didn't sit well with me hearing that. But on the outside it was like, okay, maybe this is it cuz he already. understands. Like that's already. clicked.

So that started off the entry to the. house. We go in, we sit down in the. living room on the couch. and um we're just having casual. conversation and talking about the. history of of what I've been through to. make it this far and you know it's just. getting deeper and deeper and you know. they ask us about well first they're you. know this is when they make the comment. about the connection. you know, we're. sitting there on the couch, makes the. comment about me and my wife's.

connection and says, "Well, aren't y'all. married? Well, y'all, first it's are y'all. believers?" Like, yeah, yeah, we are. believers. You know, I got another. coincidence. You know, I accepted Christ. when I was 16 and so did she. And so. answered that question and and then it. was. then it was why aren't y'all married? Like well I've been married a couple.

times before or two and and it just. wasn't a priority. You know we're we get. along great and I don't want marriage to. ruin that, right? [laughter]. but what we're not thinking scripturally. about it. And so this led into, you know, we're. this is hours worth of conversation. And. um you know, this led into the Victor. explaining what a retooling prayer is.

And I had never heard that term before. And I grew up in a church. Um, but I. wasn't I wasn't heavily rooted in. scripture at that point in time. You. know, we're talking December 23. Um, so it didn't it didn't click with me. that that that was uh, you know, something to watch out for. >> I'm just, you know, I'm excited we're. here. you know, this seems like it would.

it might be what I've been working for. all this time and all the stress and the. lawsuits and the marriages and and. finally somebody understands. So, you. know, hey, let's do a ritual in prayer. And and so he kind of explains it and. and he's asking Eileen a lot of. questions about the process. But to me it was like, well, why does he have to ask her.

how it goes, you know, from component to. component of how this ritual prayer. goes? But again, I just let it slide and. and so we agree. and uh it was started off with with me. and this this whole process I think. lasted maybe 15 minutes each. When you. say it started with me and you also used. the word ritual, uh what do you mean by. that?

>> Um well, the retooling prayer, he was. going to do it on me first. >> Okay. >> And then and then um. >> so one by one and he's going to retool. what? >> A good question. >> Yeah. Okay. >> We'll figure that out then. >> Figure that out. >> Yeah. So, [clears throat] and of course I. didn't memorize the whole process, but. recently I looked back on uh there was a. podcast that they did in 21, him and. Eileen, where it described the process.

You know, I I kind of forgot what the. process was after this thing, but I. looked back recently and, you know, it. all started coming back. I was like, "Oh, yeah, he did exactly that.". >> And uh transcribed it out. It was a. podcast, verbal podcast, but had it. transcribed out and got to look through. it in detail, you know, piece by piece. here just a few weeks ago, actually. And um so as I was reading through it, it was, "Oh yeah, he did that. He did. that. He did that." And so the first.

part was an opening prayer. And I didn't. memorize the whole opening prayer. It's. like five or six sentences long, you. know, 30 seconds worth of opening prayer. and it's using name of Jesus and uh. seemed seemed like a fairly. straightforward prayer except. and again I didn't notice all this stuff. back then but except the whole circle of. judgment. So there's an opening prayer.

and he establishes a circle of judgment. in the room. >> and um there's some other components to. it but. >> and who who was in the circle of. judgment? Sorry to. >> It was it was just an imaginary bubble. sphere so to so to speak. >> That was just the terminology was. >> so he's kind of setting up this. imaginary perimeter. >> Yeah. Around around the whole room like. all of us. >> Okay. I mean within the circle no one is.

judged or we will be doing some judging. That's what I mean. >> That's my question. >> Like you can tell me everything and no. one's judging or like we are going to. enter in some judgments. >> I think it was well looking back on on. the transcript. >> Yeah. Which is helpful. >> It it's judgment on the assigned demons. >> Okay. So he's judging the demons that he. assumes are in you, >> not in that's a.

>> yeah attached to. >> attached to you. Okay, sorry. Yeah, correct anything. I'm I'm I've not been. >> communication with a person who's doing. retooling prayer. So, >> right. So, here's the trick. Um, believers can't be possessed by. demons. That's scripture. And so when you have believers. come come to this quasi exorcism,

you can't call it an exorcism. So you. have to reframe everything. So. possession now becomes assignment. >> Okay? >> So they're not in you, but they're. attached to you. >> Okay? So in you that's scriptural. >> A non-believer possessed. >> inside you. A believer. can't be possessed inside. but can be attached the outside. And so if you've engaged in if you.

engage in a continuous sin like you have. >> invited a demon to. walk alongside you I suppose. >> Okay. Okay. I would have to consult a. priest on that cuz I do think that there. are definitely ways that you can get. possessed by demons. Like there have. been people I I don't know for sure. So. I'm I'm going to So but that helps me. understand I guess the context of how. this is happening. So he's saying there. are demons that are attached to you. I'm. going to do this tooling prayer. May I. ask what is his authority to do that.

prayer? >> Well um I don't know that answer and uh. don't. >> that's would be my first question. If. someone's like I'm gonna like get these. demons that are attached to you off of. me. I'd be like, "Oh, are you a priest? Are you an exorcist? Are you. >> Did he say to you, "I am a. >> a pastor?". >> A pastor. Okay. So, he's taken that. since just so you know, publicly he's no. longer a pastor, but he definitively. did. We checked out on his website that. he was a pastor. >> Um, >> well, I think um. I guess I won't represent this as.

something that I remember him saying, but I think he believes that he's. anointed by God as some type of apostle. Okay. >> So, um. in any case, so [clears throat] this. attached assigned demon. is going to get judged in this circle of. judgment. And so. he asked. he asked the subject me, you know, I'm.

going to I'm going to ask you a series. of questions and you're just going to. respond. >> Mhm. Whatever the first thing that comes. to your head, just just say it. Doesn't. matter what it is. Don't think about it. Relax. Just say whatever the first thing. that comes to your mind. And so. he asked, he's commanding the demons at this. point. And he asked, you know, what demon what is? Well, back.

up. He asked how many demons are. assigned. and you just say a number. And. so that's the instruction that he's. given me. You know, I'm gonna ask how. many demons are assigned to Corby. And I don't remember exa the number it. was either two or three. And I just said. the first number that came out um came. to mind. And then he asked the name of the first. one. So he was going to.

going to judge the first demon. He knows. now I say a name [clears throat] and I. said. and this was this was recorded by the. way and we were advised. or suggested to record it. And so my. wife did record. and um so I said, "Oh, you're never going to believe. what's popping in my head. I just I just. think it's something I've seen in a.

movie or something. And Alen says, "Oh, well, you know that just just say. whatever it is. It doesn't matter. Doesn't matter if it's they name off. some whatever common names." And I said, "Well, visible.". And Eileen says, "You know, that's. actually pretty common.". Like, "Oh, okay.". Um so proceeding from there.

he names Victor names the demon by the. name visible. and um. he commands angels to come down and grab. this demon by the arms and make the. demon kneel before him. So if you can imagine angels coming. down, grabbing, forcing the demon to. kneel before Victor.

Just pausing here for dramatic effect. because that is how I'm I am envisioning. that Victor Marx then believes that he. has the capability not just to command. demons but to command angels. And that's what he's telling you. He He. can. >> Wow. That is. Sorry for interrupting, but that is just. that's the statement right there.

>> Yeah. >> And also to be clear, I hadn't realized. this. I thought when you said you guys. went one by one that maybe Eileen's in. another room, but you guys were all in. the room together. This is a Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And she and Eileen is is still. kind of reminding him of the of the. steps. He knows what to say, but you. know, it's just like, "Oh, no. You do. this step first." And then he'd be like, "Oh, yeah.". >> And which angel did he say?

>> Didn't say. I don't remember him saying. the names of the angels. Okay. >> Um, again, all recorded, so it'd be. interesting to. >> figure out which angel he believes he's. commanding. Yeah. So, >> this is just, you know, this is a scary. story to me. Like, I am like I don't. even watch scary movies. So, like I it's. like a movie right now in my head that. I'm like I'm walking out of the theater. right now. I'm just going like, okay.

Like, I'm going to be honest with you. This is this is terrifying to me. like a. a man that. Yeah, that is that is something. >> But this is the guy who understands me. >> and understands what I've been through. and sees the value in what I'm doing. >> Mhm. >> They always come as your friends. >> Sorry, Charlie.

>> Yeah, they always come as your friends. So. this demon being held by two angels, he makes some commands. I don't remember. what he said, but he commanded one of. the angels to cut the arm off the demon. And then I I think commanded the other. angel to cut off the other arm or a leg. or something dismemberment of the demon.

And um. I you know I did you know I did skip I. did skip a portion. So before that. yes before all of that dramatic stuff. there was another set of questions that. was asked. So after the demon's name, the next. question that was asked was, "What are. the three lies that you've been telling.

Corby?". And so this is where. I started to get in kind of a. trance-like state and I was staring. straight at Victor and I wasn't blinking. my eyes. They're kind of watering up and. uh stopped breathing not as a panic but. just I noticed that I just wasn't. breathing. for for a few seconds.

And so again, first thing that pops into. your head and I said you're a fraud. And then what's the second lie that. you're telling Corby. and said. your kids don't love you.

And the third lie, he'll never love you. So that was uh the three lies. First. things that popped in my head. and uh. so then after that set of questions. was. what is the one truth that God's trying. to tell Corby that you're blocking from.

him hearing? And of course, it's you're not a fraud. Your kids do love you and. she's sitting right there next to you. and she's not going to leave you. So then the dramatics with the chopping. the thing, the arms and the legs off and. casting away and then onto the next. demon. What's the next demon's name?

And then the whole process started over. And each in each process is he chopping. off the arm of the demon. >> Okay. Hindsight is 2020. >> Yeah. >> Right. Also not I I have the honor of. sitting in this chair and I can like. hear what's happening with what I just. know about psychology and stuff and he. you are telling him your deepest fears. That's it. Like there's nothing. happening other than we're all. self-conscious. We constantly in our.

head are are saying things. says, "Oh, this is not right." You know, we're we. in our normal capacity, we're our own. worst critics, and he's just commanded. that out of you, and now now he knows. your weak spots. >> Yep. >> Yeah. Now, he knows he and and you at the end. of that, because you're you're doing. this and these people are strangers, um you've instantly established an. emotional connection with these people. because you shared with them something. that you would not just share to a. person that you met, >> right? So he is um I would almost say.

he's. uh he's trained in that. I don't think. it he's uh being trained by a church in. that. I'll tell you that. >> Right. Oh, I I know now. >> Because in just how. the emotion of hearing that like and I. instantly know this is like these are. your deepest fears. That's it. Like we. all have them. And you're talking about. your kids. You're talking about does. this woman love me? like I'm going into. I think you said this is your third.

relationship, right? That's going to. obviously be a fear. Um. and he just now he's got the key. >> Maybe he was summoning demons. Maybe. there was somebody in there that might. have been uh a little possessed or. attached. I don't I don't think it was. you, but that's my opinion. It's my. podcast. I can say my opinion whatever I. want. can. >> I can. >> I am. >> so um you know there was one more the.

the next name was Thomas and I don't. remember what the the answers you know. the three lies. um or the answers were for that one but. then the thing about it was. it was like a compounding effect. So. every time, this is where it got really interesting. Every time you would. get done with a demon, he would re ask. the question of now, how many demons.

now, you know, each time? And so after. that second one, Thomas, I said zero. We're done. Um, no matter what number popped into my. head, it was zero. [laughter]. Uh, so it was getting kind of weird at. that point. I wanted it over with, but. uh, moved on to my wife and I'll just. leave that one alone. But, um, >> same process, same thing. >> Yeah.

>> And. what happened after? >> Well, I remember him saying that. doing this practice like drains his. energy. like he gets real worn out and almost. like he's. using up energy in this process. and I remember that being something that. stuck out. Um.

but after this whole process, so. him and Eileen. leave the room. and you know, we've we've talked about. my my brief story. You know, I I dove. deeper than I ever have with anybody. else already. Mhm. >> But they left the room and came back and. told me about a dream or vision. And I. don't remember which one it was, but it.

was a dream or a vision that Eileen had. the night before. And they were both telling the story. kind of him telling a piece and then her. telling the piece. And it was that. Eileen had had this dream or vision that. um. this was going to be related to a. mission to protect kids. and that it's, you know, just so.

coincidental. Well, not co coincidental. at all, but God ordained that we met. and that I'm bringing this rifle that is. the best tool for the job on the backs. of SRO's. And in addition to that, you know what I. what I think to be partially true at. least. them going in and out of board zones,

combat zones or conflict zones to rescue. women and children and having these. rifles on their backs will will uh. benefit them. So double whammy. schools protecting. students and. and saving women and children abroad. >> And God ordained it. What do you know? Just the night before. >> All right, you guys. You see the.

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connecting themes here with just. everything that I've been discussing on. my podcast. Obviously, just. investigating this Charlie Kirk story. and that brings me back to. this obvious relationship. Eileen has with Erica. And this is very. similar. You know, I was there when. Charlie and her met and it's this, you. know, godly. It's all everything is. godly. It's all about this is what God. wants. And this is like, you know, and how easily Charlie fell for that and.

believed that, okay, yeah, this this woman is just so. so godly. And uh speaking to her exes, as I did, and one of them telling me. that she would say she had like a vision. or a dream of someone that he was close. to after he had opened up that this. person was close to him in his life, particularly this ex-boyfriend was. speaking about his grandfather. And then. she'd say that, "Oh, your grandfather. visited me in a dream." So, it's again. establishing that connection. There's. there's a pattern here that I'm.

recognizing and I think it's like I said. been one of the major connecting themes. and just kind of looking into the story. of sort of what changed at Turning Point. USA and the direction that it went into. Um, I don't want to get ahead of myself. there. Um, so you've done this, you've established. this connection, you do believe to some. degree that it must be godly. You've now. handed them the keys to your deepest. insecurities, right, about yourself. And.

I'm sure it felt in equal parts like. cathartic, right, getting that out. You. don't seem like the kind of person who. runs up and talks a lot to people and. says, "Hey, let me tell you my deepest, darkest secrets, >> right?" Um, >> I'm pretty open to people that I feel. see me. >> Um, but in general, no, I'm pretty. standoffish. >> Right.

So, now the four of you are, you know, in this. God vision, >> right, >> together. I'm obviously saying that. tongue and cheek. What happens next? >> So, we go home. Uh, well, you know, I. believe we had a hotel that we were. staying in, but we left the next day. And, um, so this was again early December.

So, I get to work on the signature. series, the Victor Marks signature. series. We run through a bunch of ideas. on color schemes and features. You know, what is suppressor, what backpack, you. know, all these. how how is this rifle going to be. presented? It's got to be nice. And so we we came up with something and. it it was it was a pretty cool rifle. But um I had it ready for Shot Show. The.

Shot Show is the largest gun show in the. in the country, probably the world, but. in the country annual. It happens in. Vegas every year and um sometimes late. January, I think. Sometimes it happened. in some years it happens late February, but this year, this year of 24 in. January, it it happened in yeah, late. January. So, we're communicating back and forth and.

you know this the color scheme and all. the accessories have been picked and we. built a few units to be able to present. be able to give him a couple at the show. and um you know he had his FFL to. federal firearms license and so we. transferred a couple to him at the show. and had a few for. um for our display in our booth.

And uh yeah, well, backing up just a. little bit, I I asked him well, I told. him that uh you know, I'm I'm going to. ask my then girlfriend. to to marry me and uh in text before the. show, like what. maybe 5 days before the show. and uh. can't remember if he pro offered it or. or if I asked him. I think I asked him,

you know, hey, you going to be there, your pastor, you know, we let's let's. get married. 30 minute ceremony, we'll be in and out. quick. He's like, oh yeah, yeah, we'll. do that. And uh so I had gotten a ring. and it actually. it had traveled through. five different. four different continents. and arrived at our Airbnb in Vegas.

uh the the night of. the or the day the day of the wedding. and uh I was just dressed in like jeans. and my work boots and just a button-up. shirt and she had a had a pretty treat. cheap easy dress that she got looked it. looked beautiful but uh we we just like. this was a rush job. and I actually hadn't even asked her to.

marry me. like oops wait so the day of the day of. I asked her we were just walking down. the hallway and uh by you know by the. way she was my CEO of the company and. she had been working there for at least. 2 years by that point in time and just. bang up job like she's. she's good and um [clears throat].

so anyways asked her to marry me that. day we go up to Victor's hotel room we. have some of our industry friends attend. with us and they got video and pictures. and it was super special for her because. she just adored Victor. and had [clears throat] followed him for. many years and the the ceremony was. perfect and simple [clears throat] and. just. it was it was nice. So, try not to get.

too sentimental here, but um. you know, we we read each other's vows. to each other. Victor was there. He. officiated it. We had our marriage. certificate that we ran into the. courthouse and grabbed real quick and. you know we got a picture of him signing. it with us sitting down behind him and. we once we got the photo op we walked to. the other side of the room and just.

mingling with our friends and looking. over and he's talking to Eileen and. already know what's going on. like. he's not certified to do this in Nevada. I already know it. And so, [laughter]. and so they're just talking it back and. forth and he's like trying to decide if. he's going to sign it or not. And so I'm. like, "Hey,

is it just because we're in Nevada?". He's like, "Yeah, I don't I don't have. license here because there's a block on. the form where you're going to put your. license number.". >> And I was like, "Well, just it's fine. Just sign it. We'll go, you know, we'll. go back to Texas and just do our. county county deal after this, but we'll. we'll keep this. Doesn't need a [snorts]. doesn't need a license on. We're not. going to file it here anyways. So, no big deal, right?".

um red flag. But. >> does he have a license even in Colorado? >> I don't know. I don't know. So that was. that was that. And um. got done with shot show. It was a great. event. Got a lot of videos, pictures. Everybody was shaking hands and meeting. Victor and meeting us. And it was a it. was a very nice shot show. And normally. I hate going to I've been to Shot Show.

every since 2012. Hadn't missed a year and just absolutely. hated it. Just all the walking and. hauling stuff around and having to be. here and there and unpacking stuff and. the logistics is just nightmare. But. >> this one was pretty memorable. >> This was this was nice. >> So things are are looking good. >> Mhm. What is when is the first time I. guess you guys.

had any sort of a shift in that. narrative? Like a just we're all on the. same page. Here's what we're trying to. do. Here's what our goal is. We've got. your signature series. Good-looking gun. You're getting us married. When's the first time you had a hiccup? >> Well, I guess uh. I'll get there. So I'll just So. >> yeah, take me wherever you want. Don't. you know we could I want to get the full.

story. He went on. well, we had an opportunity pop up and I. I believe it was. I believe it was March or Aprilish and. Sebastian Gorka um. had me on once. and um. you know me and him had talked quite a.

few times and. and text message based and um he he. loved the gun, right? He's a gun guy. And so me and him kind of connected and. and uh he said, "Okay, well, I'll see. you guys signature series. Victor, been. trying to get him on my show forever and. you know, let's let's talk about this. cool mission and let's get y'all on.". So, I did not want to go on.

Um I didn't want to be on video, can't. you tell? [laughter]. And uh then I texted Victor. Hey Victor, Sebastian wants you to get on with him. and talk about the full AR. You've been. trying to get you out. You've been. bugging me. Like just go on with the. dude. My wife will be there to to. support you through this. And Victor's. like, "Yeah, I do this all the time. It. ain't no problem." And tell us the. genesis before we talk about Victor and. the very exciting plans you have for.

this weapon. What is the genesis? How. did you get this idea? Uh so our our inventor uh Corby he's my. husband also but he uh came out with the. product about seven years ago and um he. came out with it because he was looking. for a way to get the AR to be more. compact and uh decided to take the. barrel nut off and then when he figured. that out he figured that you could also. fold it and after a lot of testing and. and a couple years of development you.

know he made this a possibility. What is your mission now, Victor? >> Well, I'll tell you, everyone knows that. time in a critical life and death. situation makes the biggest difference. And this weapon platform, not only being. an outstanding. um high-end platform to shoot, it is. absolutely the best product in order to. engage a hostile threat in a school, bar. none. Uh and again with it being carried.

in a backpack uh it keeps the level of. anxiety down for students to watch. So. we know this is a lifesaver and what we. want to do is to be able to see every. resource officer uh first starting in. the state of Texas uh have one of these. and then it's spreading throughout the. United States so that our children will. be made safe. >> So Victor goes on and they talk about. the fold they are a little bit. I I. think Sebastian asked her, you know, how. did I think your lesser half, he's the.

inventor and you know, tell us how you. came up with it and she spit off some. stuff. It was good. But um then Victor. came in and was talking about the all. things possible mission and said. that um you know we're going to make it. a mission to get one of these full ARs. on the back of every SRO in the nation. starting with Texas. I was kind of oh I.

didn't think he was going to say that. but yeah let's do this. And uh that idea was to set up a 501c3. and figure out how to get donations. coming in for schools, particularly. rural schools that don't have immediate. access to SWAT teams or uh or funding. and and let's get these get these. moving. So that happened and it wasn't.

too long before we had a school that. needed five and didn't have the budget. for it. It was local to us. And uh we built them up and. we talked to Victor about it to get that. funded and there was kind of some push. back and you know I got to run this. through the ATP board. They didn't know. that I was going to do that and they're. kind of worry about the whole gun thing. and I'm going, "Okay." Um,

you do what you got to do, but I got. five. >> Mhm. And it's and it's like I think it. was either $13,000 or $15,000 and you. know the suppressors and backpack and. like optics and all the stuff on it that. they need to just. train and get ready and and. [clears throat] go go deploy them. And so. he he eventually did, you know, we we. paid for them to build them up front.

And uh you know, we're not making a lot. of guns every year anyway, so funding. that out of pocket is kind of a hit, but. we did it. And um he he did send a check. to us. and uh we got the guns to to the high. school or the ISD. and they loved them. We got some photo. ops. Victor didn't come for that, but we. really wanted him to.

And so that was we delivered those in in. the summer of 24. And um. that was the only that was the only one. that Victor ATP. purchased. And my wife had. created this fairly long list of schools. and they would fill out a template. You. know, we want the guns, we will use.

them, and we don't have a budget for. them andor we're located in a in a area. where there's not a quick access to. first responders. >> Mhm. And if they checked the boxes off. and put it on their letter head and you. know we would take it in and and have it. ready for ATP. and um yeah just never. after summer of 24 there was no attempts.

for for. >> school resource officers. >> Yeah. >> In that context. Yeah. >> Right. But there were requests for. other guns. And so. so moving forward into. into August, y'all jump to August. Let's get into it. H. >> So, Victor messages me, says, "Hey, I need a.

thousand yard capable. um rifle that has a scope on it and a. camera attached to the scope.". Like, okay, I I can put that together. I actually already have the components. I don't have to buy anything. and he needs me to deliver it to him. pretty quickly. and says it's.

he tells me. that it's for. Well, let let's just hold up there then. So, I build this thing out. It's got a proof. research barrel on it. is a carbon fiber. precision barrel. It's like $1,100. barrel. uh and 223 16in barrel with I had like a.

$5,000 scope on it. Had had it for a. while. So, I was just like, you know, he he'll make better use of it than me. >> You're just going to give him a $5,000. scope? >> Yeah. >> Okay. and with a camera attached to it. Like I literally had this already set. up, >> but I wasn't using I hadn't used it in a. while. So I take it up to Victor. and um.

the conversation is. we want I want to and this is with me. and him privately. You know that's where. you know the the meat of the. conversations always come in. He wants to blow the head off of. somebody that sticks their head up over. the fence around this orphanage in. Haiti. And they have a tower in the. middle of it. Like some kind of.

watchtowwer. because apparently there. >> of the orphanage. >> Yeah. Of the orphanage. >> Okay. And. you know, he's saying that people are. jumping over the fence, climbing over. and trying to rob or or whatever the. orphanage. And so, you know, tell them, "Yeah, I'm not. going to leave it here if that's what. you're doing.".

And. you know, we we had a conversation. before about shooting watermelons, a. previous conversation about shooting. watermelons at 1,000 yards. But when I got there, you know, the. conversation shifted. Now we're in. person. And he wants to talk about. shooting people. >> Shooting people. Yeah. And I just want. to back this up. When he's initially, because we do have that message and. we're going to show that message when.

you guys were initially having that. conversation about shooting watermelons, like did you think he was talking about. watermelons or do you think it could be. code cuz you kind of know him a little. bit now? Look, he's like, "Hey, I'm just. wondering if we could or were you. thinking like, no, he just really means. like if we were to test it with the. watermelon, like what was your thought. process when you were first having the. conversation via text about shooting. watermelons from 1,000 yards? Did you. did you think that there might have been. some innuendo reading between the lines? You thought he was shooting straight. because he had never made a weird.

request before this. So you were like he. just wants to know if Okay. So then. you're like. >> he says let's have this conversation. face to face. And when you say you meet. up this is in Colorado. >> Yes. >> Okay. So that is does he have a place in. Texas or are we always Colorado? >> Uh yeah we always met in Colorado at his. house. >> and just to get our timeline right. This. is August of 2024. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Mhm. So now you're face to face and he's. like actually there's this orphanage and. people are climbing over this fence in. the orphanage and there's happens to be.

a tower in the middle and we just want. to shoot these people. We want to. protect this or orphanage. >> Yeah, >> because what are they doing at this. orphanage? Presumably stealing orphans, trafficking children. >> I don't know. >> He didn't say that explicitly. Okay, >> fair enough. >> So I say, you know, I'm not going to. leave this. This that's not what my. rifle is for. I mean for military guy I. will sell my rifles to military law. enforcement and it's assumed that they. may shoot people with them.

>> right but in this context of a. >> mercenary type. >> operation. >> that doesn't have oversight no um. >> and did you wonder why he was doing that. at all cuz I mean I'm just he's a pastor. he's doing a rout like I I have a priest. if my priest was suddenly like hey. Candace can I have some guns to go shoot. an orphanage on mercenary mission. I'd. be like, "Oh, this is a new side of you. Is he telling you like you've met armed. forces guy at his property?" Like, what.

is your are you shocked at even the. proposition of him doing this or does he. kind of speak this way and tell you that. he's connected and whatever? Like, how. are you processing that request? Well, um [clears throat] I just simply said, "Yeah, I'm just not going to leave it. here.". >> You're not processing it. Just. >> I'm not I'm not processing it. I'm just. again I'm happy that I'm there in person. now. We can talk about.

like I got this list of schools that are. ready for guns. Um. and you know there's that that bond has. been established. Mhm. >> He is my author, you know, spiritual. authority figure. >> I'm not to question, >> I am to do. >> And I was there to deliver. >> So, but you know, I told him, you know, well, why don't you just.

like we were talking about, eat the. watermelon. Just do the watermelon. Like, oh, oh, okay. Well, like. and and backing up. So, shooting the. head off of a person. transpired into Well, I'm going to. go in and execute or capture Jimmy. Barbecue. >> Okay. >> And the first time I've ever heard of. this guy. I don't know who he is. I'm.

still like, "Yeah, no." Uh, again, back. to the watermelons. He's like, "Yeah, you just I said just put the watermelon. up on the fence. Shoot it. Get your propaganda video.". That's what the whole thing was about. was shooting somebody climbing over. Got. it on camera. We can distribute it out. in the Haiti land and they won't jump. over anymore. Like, like I see the good.

intention behind it, but yeah. No. And. then, you know, transition transitioned. into a little bit more detail like maybe. maybe if I tell him that it's to kill. Jimmy Barbcue who is causing all the. ruckus in Haiti anyways, then then he'll agree. >> Okay. So, I do want to just take the. second now to just show a brief clip to. my audience of the media context of who.

Jimmy Barbecue is. Some people do know. do not follow politics, global politics. and what we were told Jimmy barbecue is. and was during this time frame August. 2024. Take a listen. >> Jimmy Charizia, universally referred to. here as Barbecue, is the head of one of. the most powerful gangs in Porto Prince. But he's also the head of a gang. consortium that's brought Haiti to its. knees. Barbecue sees himself as a. revolutionary for the people and he.

rails against corrupt politicians and. oligarchs. He dismisses all the efforts underway. here to form a transitional council that. will govern Haiti. Inside his territory, despite the poverty, life is relatively. peaceful and organized. Unlike in much of Porto Prince, cues for. food barbecue gets brought in are. orderly. Usually, it's chaos. But here, people wait knowing that there are. enough supplies for the whole community. And this is a source of barbecue.

strength. To the outside world, he may. be a gangster, but here he's a sort of. Robin Hood. >> Okay. So, he's saying to you, I'm going. to get this guy. I'm going to capture or. I'm going to kill. You say, "Not with my. weapon, actually." And let's talk about. school resource officers. What happens. next? Well, you know, right after the. Jimmy barbecue, that's when I brought it. back to the watermelons and he seemed to. agree. um kind of. reluctant annoy in an annoyed manner.

like why are you questioning me? >> Maybe he was testing me. I don't know. I. don't know what his intentions were. I. just know what was said to me. So, I didn't have a concern at that. point though because he's like, "Yeah, we we'll do the we could do the. watermelon." No, it's not a bad idea. And so, uh, from there, I I left the gun. with him. And um. you know there was no discussion about.

schools or maybe maybe there was and it. was just kind of like just. nothing was yeah we're still on board. with the mission but you know I'm. dealing with this and that and I got. this mission coming up and just never. you know never went anywhere. So yeah, we we left and um. then there was a I know there was. another you know I skipped over a.

meeting I went in June. >> Mhm. >> That the June meeting is the one I don't. really remember what I did. I know I. went alone. Um but I don't remember. I didn't. deliver anything as far as I remember, but um you know there was a June trip. that I made and the August one I do. remember specifically. uh there was text messages surrounding. it that that I was able to reference. against. Um so then in November.

then he comes to Texas to my facility. and um so the intent is that we're going. to. um tour the shop. He had a he had a. couple fly him down on their private. plane and I picked them up from the. airport. and we went to the shop and. tooured the shop and um.

you know during that tour. pretty early on you know he was there. for probably four fourish hours. and um. you know when we at when we got alone on. the shop floor in between the machines, he's like, "Hey, you know, I I still I. still got this Haiti stuff going on and. I need 50 guns. uh to take and drop off in Haiti.".

And I said, "Well, you know, that that's. a embargo country. So I I mean I've. exported guns by this point to many. different countries. and I know the process and it's not easy. every time anytime really. And I just. knew that Haiti wasn't on that list on. the approved export list. So, I was. like, "No, I I can't do that one because.

like Haiti is like. the last place they're going to let me. export guns." Probably the last place. And so, I said, you know, I suggest you. don't do that with any other firearms. either. Just I'm assuming that he just. doesn't know the export laws. >> Why am I assuming this? I don't know. But he's a high-risisk humanitarian. abroad. He's been to all these other.

countries, done operations in hindsight. 2020. Of course, he knew that you can't. take guns and drop them off into Haiti. >> Um, did you, and I'm sorry to cut you. off here, but I have a question about. that. The other countries he had. visited, did he ever give you again the. context? Because I'm just going in my. own point of reference. My priest was. like, "Yeah, and I did these high-risk. humanitarian things. What's your background? How are you. getting on these missions? Who are you. working for? Did he ever give you that. context or just Okay. So, that might.

have been [clears throat] why I didn't. really flag you that he was going to. Haiti because it was kind of a part of. something that you knew he had done or. he says he has done in many other. countries. >> Yeah. And then, you know, there was. already the visit before that there was. Haiti discussions and told me about the. orphanage, told me about Demi Barbecue. and the. >> um you know, the gang violence that was. around. So, I kind of knew the context. already. It's just like, okay, well, you're. I've already told you no once.

and then you're bringing me something. that's even. cuz you can I suppose if you have. whatever. license or approval, State Department or. whatever kind of approval it is where. you can go as a private citizen with. your own gun. and and get out, do your saying and keep. your gun on you. I suppose that that's a. legal thing. I I would have to research. that, but it seems to be that that's a.

thing that is done commonly. >> Um but leaving guns, I know that's you can't do that. Not na. >> Yeah, I think [clears throat] that's. called weapons trafficking, but I'm not. positive. >> Yep. So, told him no. uh told him, you. know, don't don't be going to some other. manufacturer and getting 50 and I'm. trying to look out for you, pops,

listen to me. Um, so I also told them that um, you know, if you if you place an order for 50 guns. with my wife next week, I'm not can't sell you the guns. cuz I already know now. So like, let's. not talk about this anymore. Like, okay, I'll figure it out. What did he say he.

wanted to do with the like who was he. dropping those guns off for? He. >> didn't tell me that. >> Okay. >> All I All I was told it was for. protection of the orphanet. >> And you don't know what they're. protecting? >> I don't I don't know any details about. it other than I was told it was a 200. acre. property. I don't know if that's true or. not. Mhm. >> I was told that there is a tower in the.

middle of it and a a pretty tall fence. around the perimeter of it. >> Okay. >> Wasn't told how many kids are there or. who mans it. >> Mhm. >> Um. yeah, just other than them needing a. long range to make a propaganda video. and then the 50 to do I'm not sure. Okay. >> What happens next? [clears throat]. Well, that's not the most dramatic.

um or juicy. portion of the story, but. >> mind me because I'm I'm taking some. notes on what you're saying, so I do. have some questions I'm going to want to. come back to, but go ahead. >> Yeah, no problem. Um, so there was not another meeting until. the final meeting which was in. um. early April.

>> Okay. >> And so the context around this meeting. was. multifaceted. >> Are we in Colorado? >> Yeah, in Colorado. and I would drive up. there again and it was by myself. The context around this meeting was. like I said multifaceted. It was issues. between me and my spouse. It was we were talking about biblical. things.

um relationship. I mean, he was he was. mentoring me, what I viewed to be. mentoring at the time, you know, during. this whole relationship. And things were. starting to pile up and in April, you. know, so. Trump got elected in November of 24 and. um. in the gun industry, we have what's. called the Trump slump. Anytime a.

Republican is elected, then the demand. for firearms goes down. So things get pretty tough. You have to. pivot as a as a manufacturer to survive. in that environment. And we didn't have the resources to. pivot. >> And it was it was getting tough. Um. yeah, actually I I forget, you know, we. went to Shot Show again in January of. 25. >> Mhm. And uh that that could have possibly.

been a February year, but I believe it. was January 25. And you know, so it's our anniversary. You know, it it was pretty rough cuz uh. sales were already going down. And um. and just to be just to be honest, I was. I was struggling with um substance abuse.

with with THC, >> smoking pot. >> Uh gummies or vapes? >> Okay. >> Yep. >> How often? Like just like kind of living. high like. >> No. Uh well, yeah, daily. But. >> yeah, gummies. Popping gummies and. >> Okay. Any other stronger substances? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Are you drinking too? >> No, not drinking. >> Okay. So, you're THC? >> Yeah. That's, you know, I'd done that.

since 2020. >> Mhm. I think you sent me a thing and like you. and your wife both smoked pot. Like you. were both. THC users, so to speak. I guess we'll. focus more on you, but I'm just saying. that like this was something that was. already known to the Markx family. I. think Oh, yeah. That's what I'm asking. morely. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And uh you know, anxiety issues. with the past. I didn't want to get on. any SS SSRI or anything like that again.

and and weed as long as I moderated it. It was it was uh it was a it was a. pretty good um. regulator of anxiety for me so long as I. didn't go overboard with it. But. it became, you know, one of those. dependency things. You just got to have. a little bit more, a little bit more, and then you get kind of dependent on. it. And um. but now I had needed to pivot you know.

2024 the end of 2024. uh early 2025 we needed to pivot and I. wasn't able to do it like I was. functionally decline. and you know they weren't the ATP thing. wasn't helping. >> you know the signature series we did. sell some of them but it wasn't. you know, it wasn't um just like.

skyrocketing business or anything. >> So, you now got the added like financial. pressure, which is what causes. >> Yeah. Yeah. Y. >> Mhm. >> And so, and interestingly enough, with my wife's involvement, the prior 3. years, we made the Inc. 5000 list in 25. Although like it was just we got the. notice in she had worked so hard on it. and uh you know with her in the CEO P.

position we had increased our revenue by. 350%. >> Wow. >> In the prior 3 years. So he earned608. position in the country and 60th fastest. manufacturer. and first in the region fastest growing. company in the region. while we're like oh man we're we're. tanking fast. >> How are we going to keep the lights on? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, um, yes, this is all this is.

all building up on me and and I'm again. going back to Victor for and and one of. his guys, Chaz, for any kind of support, you know, more so like help me figure. out. number one, I'm ready to get off of THC. because I got to make this pivot and. I've got to like bring my high. functioning self back. >> Mhm.

>> And there wasn't there wasn't any help. there. You know, maybe a couple nudges. here and there, but uh you know, and. there's a there's a text message history. that I've gone through recently, and it. it makes sense now. Every all of it. makes sense. But. >> a text message chain between you and. Victor. >> and Chaz. >> and Chaz who is just so my audience is. aware Chaz is the his COO. >> COO.

>> Victor marks the COO of all things. possible. >> Right. Right. >> Okay. >> And what is it about that text chain. that makes sense? Cuz I I you've. mentioned it so I think we want to. >> like in retro hindsight is 2020 but what. what element makes sense? Like you're. looking at this message you're going aha. what? Well, there was a point in there and I. don't remember which month it was, but. um. you know there I was in a suicide crisis.

>> for a moment and you know my message to. the Victor was hey I'm I'm in the. parking lot of Walmart. and. you know I had bought this. life insurance policy like seven years. prior and I shopped around for one that. had a suicide. allowance in it. uh for that specific reason. >> Mhm. >> And um.

and I knew, you know, I was sitting in. that parking lot. I was crying and. and uh said, "God's telling me that if I do this, he's not going to take me.". So, you know, Victor's response is, "Well, of course, don't do that. You. know, the lawyers, they'll always find a. loophole.".

Okay. And the next message is, "Well, I can just have you disappeared. I can have you knocked off. I can have you knocked off or. disappeared to a banana plantation in. South America. [clears throat]. >> So, you're in the parking lot. You've. said that you're going through the. suicide crisis and that's what he comes. back with. And this is supposed to be.

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And the reason why I I'm encouraging you. to talk about this is cuz he will use. this against you. And I also just want. to say to you like. you shouldn't feel weird about that. That's the number one reason that men. commit suicide. This is why men have a. higher suicide rate than women. the. financial pressure, the stress of. finances is like there are going to be. so many men watching this that can. relate to that. Um, and so when you kind. of keep that inside and like I'm sure. like I feel ashamed, you know, like all. that stuff. It's this is I feel like why.

he was able to manipulate you and why. he's so like well he's got mental health. issues and first off knowing that this. man is supposed to be your spiritual. spiritual director. Like mine's. obviously my priest in London. I. couldn't imagine my priests going on an. Instagram live no matter what happens. like you know if I leave the Catholic. church and and I become the edye of the. Catholic church there is something that. is so violating about.

him coming out and saying like my like. you're you're actually going to who. you're supposed to go to right and. obviously you're you're Protestant so. you're thinking this guy is telling me. he's a pastor he married me like this is. the person when I. am thinking I want to kill myself that I. should be able to lock this into a box. and he's going to talk me through this. and remind me that financial pressure. comes and goes like I remember being. having $9 in my bank account and like. sleeping in my car [laughter].

the feeling of that financial anxiety. and what that can do it can be so. crippling. >> and he's just using that against you. >> and with knowledge that that I was on. THC I was very open about it and. >> and asking for help. >> for help. >> Um, >> so this becomes sort of this entry point. of how he's just on the radio right now. like, well, he's got mental health. issues and well, you know, try being. broke and trying to figure everything. out and I think everybody develops a. little bit of a mental health issue, >> right? >> So, I just wanted to just give you.

>> to know that that's not something that. you he shouldn't have made you feel. about that the way he made you feel. about it. >> I guess in his mind he was joking, but. looking back at the total totality of. circumstances. There was it was something else. going on there. And um. >> he didn't call you. I mean, I would just. think that like if somebody texted me. and said, "Hey, I'm in a parking lot and. like I'm thinking about killing myself.". My instinct would be to call. >> Yeah. >> Not send a text. And and.

you know I just. just go to say though that you know I. was being told that. you you can't do this because. God won't take you. So, I'm telling him. at the same time, these are thoughts. going through my head, but I'm not going. to do it because, you know, it's not it's not going to. work out well for me, if you know what I. mean. Um,

but yeah, the response was he he didn't. call. and the response was looking back on it, it was manipulative. Uh now for the record. after having studied scripture as much. as I have since this time period forward. um. I'm not suicidal. Put that on the record.

And I will not kill myself and I'm I'm. not having suicidal thought. So clear. that. >> you were having a low moment. >> Yep. Yeah. >> And looking for a friend or a spiritual. director. >> Yeah. >> A lot going on, you know, >> and and I'm off substances, you know. I. I was able to I did get off a month. before. So, in February, I stopped THC. in February of 25. >> Mhm. >> That's a year and a few months ago.

And um it took a while to to detox from. that. But yeah, it I returned to my normal. high functioning self. >> I would say it took. probably 9 months to fully come back. So, skipping over a bunch of of time. there, you know, there was. um.

there was a visit coming up in April, you know, so this was still compounding, got rid of the THC in Februaryish, but withdrawals are starting. up leading up to April. And um I'm still, you know, I'm having. issues during this withdrawal cycle. And. I tell Victor that, >> you know, I'm I'm separating from my.

wife. >> Financial issues, marital issues kind of. tends to be tends to go hand in hand. I. think it's the number one reason for. divorce. >> Yeah. Yeah, it is. At least in my. experience. But [laughter]. >> you've got a little bit of experience. >> Got a little bit. So, so he says, you know, I'll fly you. up here. Um, and you know, I don't I don't fly up. there. Won't don't fly uh very much at.

all. So I I drove up there and um. you know when. when I arrive. and I guess let me fill in the the gap. here. So again, spiritual mentor relationship. Um at this point I'm off THC. I'm in the. Bible just studying the heck out of it.

At the same time, I'm supposed to be. pivoting my business to figure out how. to survive in this new market. And um a lot going on. And. as I'm doing more research in the Bible, I'm also. um seeing things that don't look right.

And so, and I'm particularly interested in at. this time in deceptive Christianity. And so I come across. some what I consider to be false. spiritual leaders in the in the. Christian. quote unquote movement. And I'm telling Victor about what I'm. finding. And uh you know he wants me to talk to.

Chaz about those things. So I'm talking. to Chaz too and and sending them what. I'm finding. And to them, I look like. I'm kind of in a panic mode of. of discovery. And they're not really. responsive, but they're just in their. mind they're like, "Okay, Corby's going. through all this stress and he's talking. about separating from his wife and he's. coming off a THC and,

you know, we'll we just need him here.". And so, you know, I get there, Colorado Springs, show up at the hotel and pretty late at. night and um. they meet me at the hotel and we sit. down at the at one of the dining tables. and uh I noticed they got bulletproof. vests on.

and once we sat down like tapped on. Victor's chest where it was And he's. like, "Yeah, we just got these in and. I'm breaking them in." I was like, "Oh, cool. It's like it's flexible." And he. like kind of shakes it around. He's. like, "Yeah, this thing is a little bit. stiff right now, but you know, it's it's. a really nice vest." Like, okay. Not. thinking anything. Like, I'm not. thinking, "Well, we'll get there, I.

guess. So. they can tell I'm just like worn out. I'm drained. And um they Victor says, "Well, you. know, it kind of tells me what what. we're going to do the next day and says. that we're going to do another retooling. prayer.". And I [clears throat] said, "I was respectful.".

And I looked at I was like, "No, not. doing another retooling prayer." Like, I've I've figured out. how to get rid of my own sin. And so, if I was to just keep coming. back to you for. deliverance, then that would be me. making an idol of you, and that would be. worshiping you.

And. I could see the grin on his face like he. was annoyed, but. it was concealed enough that he just he. brushed it off. Didn't snap back or. anything. Didn't didn't say any kind of. snarky comment back and he just took it. And um. so then he was telling me about what. they were doing that day and it was some.

kind of big event. I didn't look it up, but what I heard was there was 3,500 men. there. and they had it was kind of like um. some kind of spiritual manly machoess of. of learning how to be warriors for. Christ or warriors for God or something. like that and. >> men's retreat.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Were they all veterans? Do you know? >> I'm not sure. I was. >> Yeah, I'm not sure. But um nonetheless, he told me about a board meeting. Well, he was he was talking to Chaz really, but you know, sitting right there. And uh he he told me about some of the. people that were in this board meeting. Perhaps it was like part all in and part.

in person, but he was telling me some of. the people that were part of this. And the name that come up was Lance Wall. now. and uh Rex Crane. And you know, those are two people that. I had already seen. >> and [clears throat] discovered. that they were part of this prosperity. gospel.

um [snorts]. ultra. charismatic type. movement. >> NARS. >> NARS. >> new apostolic reformation. It's come up. in my research about. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. So again, I'm thinking, you know, hey, I'm going to do this dude a favor and. kind of point these things out to him, these, you know, the doctrine that these. people are preaching, like I'm doing. Victor a favor.

And so I'm at the hotel. I'm at I'm in. my room at that point. Chaz is down down. the hallway from me. And uh you know, I'm sending Chaz all this stuff. Chaz, look at this guy. Look what he's. teaching. Seven Mountain Mandate. Like. what? We are not here to. to make the world suitable for Jesus. Christ to return. Like that that's not.

how it goes. Um taking over pillars of society. Are you kidding me? like what are y'all. doing in organizations with these. people? And um so basically no responses. >> Yeah. >> You kicked you kicked the hornets with. that one. >> Kicked it. >> real good. >> Yeah, I did. >> Little did you know. >> Little very little.

So. I go to Victor's the next day. Okay, I'm. not doing any retooling prayer. Um, so we're going to basically do a. detox regiment. and um walk around his track. and you know talk about all the things. that I've been wanting to talk about. and he wasn't really wanting to hear any.

of it. So you know we would just kind of. shift from subject to subject. We would. talk about end times prophecy and we'd. talk about um marriage. Um. and it's not to say that all of that. advice that he gave me was bad. It. wasn't. And it was it was a mixture. It. was a mixture of good advice and. like what are you thinking? Like we're. still talking about.

guns to Haiti. You brought it up again. >> No, I was just being facicious, but it. was it was like that. It was. >> it was always, okay, what's my next. mission? you know, when can we get some. more guns. or. well, the bigger topic was selling the. business or getting an investor, you. know, and and actually, you know, backing up probably back in December, we.

had talked about, hey, we need an. investor or we need to sell the business. cuz this is it was probably January. actually. So, we need to sell the. business. you know, I'm having the. suicidal issue. I'm having the this and. the that issue. And hey, this is time. for me to to move along and figure. something else out. Let's get somebody. to invest or or take it over. And so we had built up a investment.

package and emailed financials and. Victor said that he had people looking. at it and um you know like a $20 million. valuation [clears throat] for the. business and patent and. you know I was all about it you know. just. it and like X for a bit. I mean, this. has been. almost 19 years of craziness,

>> you know, just to just to tell you, Candace, this story with Victor is not even the. craziest thing that's happened in my. life [snorts] related to this business. It's not, but it's right on up there. Um, so yeah, I'm there for, hey, let's talk. about the business, too. I got all this. other stuff I want to talk about, but we. got four days here. I ended up saying. three.

>> Mhm. >> Did not stay the fourth day, but uh. we're talking about everything. And um. so as we're going with this. conversation, well, this first day was detox. Like I. said, he put me in this sauna that had. like this light thing frequency thing. and it had all these colors on it and it. was already clicking like everything's. clicking for me. I'm recognizing stuff.

at this point and I look at it and it's. like got all these frequencies that you. can select or healing certain issues. with the body or mental or whatever. And. it's a sauna. You just get in it and. turn to the light frequency you want and. sit in there for a while. In my mind, I'm going like, dang, that's new age. Like, light. frequency is the hill. Like, why why are we doing this?

Things are starting to click a little. bit more. A little bit more. Anyways, I get in it. Whatever. I'm. trying not to be rude. I'm just trying. to. survive this trip. [snorts]. And so we um I do that, we do some. exercises, we walk, we talk. Um. Victor goes and does some other stuff on. the property. And I think he left the. property a couple times and left me with.

and bodyguard was there the whole time. like within a few paces of me if we were. walking. He was walking behind us. >> and um everybody has their bulletproof. vest on. I don't see Eileen anywhere the. whole time. And um. so. the the third day is where most of the.

weirdness starts coming in and showing. itself. And so third day we're we're. walking around the track and he's. telling me that uh we're talking about. business at this point. And um [clears throat]. he tells me that. well Sigau is going to be involved in. this acquisition. But he didn't want to. say details like okay well you know. they're a big company they can afford. it. It probably be a good technology for.

them and um I know that they're in law. enforcement so they'd be down with the. school resource officer mission. you. know, surely, you know, that was a. condition was, hey, SRO's, you got to be. committed to that. Um, and then, you know, enough money to where not that. we didn't have to work, but that we. wouldn't have to run that run the. business. um and we would have breathing space to.

not have to work, you know, a regular. job if we didn't want to. and not. necessarily the first of our life but. just like good breathing space. >> that was the conditions. which is kind of wide open right and um. so he tells me that 6 hours involved he. tells me that Daniel her got one of my. full ARs and who's the top shooter in. the world that shoots for SIG he got a. full Dr.

David the thumbs up uh to Victor who. Victor represented had a personal. relationship with him. Um. and uh so like everything's falling into. place and I'm kind of you know this this. could be a good thing. And then. Victor tells me what he really wants to. do. I was like, tells me, you know, 51%. and we could only come up with a. valuation of 2 million.

And. >> this is so crazy, >> you know, just uh for transparency, I put $2 million into it at the start. >> It's just it's just a it's mindboggling. that he would even try it. But. >> yeah, >> he he must really think that you were. under his spell. Well, I I well, I was. coming out of it. >> Mhm. >> Um, and really it could be said that I'm. not fully out of it even today. Um, but.

yeah, 2 million valuation and he wanted. 51% which meant that he was going to put. a little over a million in and take. control of the company. And I said, "Well, you know, the the the money really isn't. the biggest that's it is big issue, but. like the money isn't the biggest issue. It is the 51%. and you're wanting the patent.".

I didn't say no, though. Didn't say no. Um, so my response was, "Well, you're too. busy.". And um. he said well yeah I am busy but you know. with my connections and this and that. that you'll be able to manufacture.

without so much stress. and. you know we'll we'll be behind you for. for funding essentially but you know not. really disclosing. what that meant. So, I've been down this. road before. Um, so again, I didn't reject it and we went. for another walk. and so we just continued talking about. it. I remember one thing, you know, what.

I was wanting to do and me and my wife. were wanting to do was be a part of the. actual mission. Like we in our minds we. were thinking if we're not working the. company non-stop then we want to be part. of the mission the ATP mission like. where do we fit in? >> And they said well your wife. you know that that's an easy you know we. got orphanages like it would be perfect. for her but for you like you're just.

such an outlier. I don't really know. Not saying you. don't fit anywhere. It's just like I. could would have to figure that out. Like, okay, well, keep talking then. And. so, we're walking around the track up at. the top where there's this camera tower. And um. you know, we're walking and he's saying, "Well, Israel, Israel need your guns.". And that's you know, that's when he.

stops walking. I stop and then he tells. the. he tells the bodyguard to step back a. few paces. and um. you know I stop and I'm I'm looking at. him and I say well yeah that you know. that they have 3700. they're going to put a IDF guy in each. of the schools. and he he's looking at me he says no. they need 50,000 for the IDF for oper.

operations in Gaza and. um Lebanon and Syria. So, I'm just at this point like it's too. many too many red flags for me and I'm. just staring at him and he's staring. back and um. he finally. starts walking again after 15 or so. seconds and he says, "You know, that's. why I'm not ever engaging in scripture.

with you.". And I I walk start walking along with. him. And I'm just wondering in my head. like why that that. scripture got to do with. with guns, the IDF. And. and I'm not against. the IDF. It's just what you're saying is.

that. all the guns have to go to the like what. what about the school miss like we. agreed that this rifle is designed to. protect kids in schools. So if 50,000 are going like who's going. to make those? How long is it going to. take? And like how are we going to get. guns on the back of SRO's here? all going on in my head. and just confused about the whole. situation. Like where where did this get.

so far off track? And so again, like that was the moment. that [clears throat] that I was done, but I didn't say it. And so, um, you know, we're walking around and. I just.

Yeah, it's just uh it's a blur at that. point. I don't even know how. Oh, I don't know how I I left. And. >> this is also when he says to you, I. think that I could not I could beat you. up. I mean, what he admitted to he he. did say I. >> Oh, yeah. My goodness. >> The big part that. >> Good grief. [laughter]. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, the 3,700 gun I said 3,700. schools.

>> Yeah, that's that's great. 3,700 schools. in in Israel. Um then he says no. um 50,000 guns and uh and the idea for. the operations and Gaza of Lebanon and. and Syria and that's you know our stare. off and he says you know I could whoop. your ass and there ain't nothing you. could do about it. and uh inside I'm kind of laughing but.

I'm keeping a face a straight face and. and not doing it like I made sure to. keep looking at him, >> right? >> And and uh that's when he said, you. know, we're that's why I'm never. engaging in scripture with you. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That was. Yeah. Like like 10 things are happening. in this sequence and it's just shocking. And you know, thinking back of it, like.

why did we stop right under the camera, >> right? Like was he trying to get me to. come at him or or what? >> I think the whole weekend was kind of. designed to intimidate you. I mean from. wearing they're all wearing bulletproof. Why? You know him. He's supposed to be a. friend of yours. We're just breaking. these in that feel it just kind of feels. like a military presence. So, it's kind. of, and again, this is my opinion, but. like supposed to subconsciously.

wrap you in this idea like we're we are. a force and you're here alone. You don't. have your wife here. Eileen's not here. It just feels very. >> staged. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Just hearing it, that's what it feels. like to me. >> Yeah. And it was. >> And then he he's leading up to this big. question on the third day. No one's. here. I could kick your butt. and um the. IDF wants this and you need the money. sort of a thing. You know, you're. desperate and you know this is what we.

can do. This is what your company's. worth. It's it's quite intimidating. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Or meant to be intimidating. >> I mean, I would say I wouldn't say. traumatic, but you know, again, you got. to remember like just four 3 months. prior, I was in this suicide crisis. >> I was coming off of THC. Mhm. >> I was engaged in scripture. and then like all these red flags are. popping up and then and then that.

>> Yeah. >> And so. yeah, as you know that's basically the. end of the day for the third day. And um. you know we left on good terms. I didn't. uh never had one like crosswise. conversation with him. Mhm. >> Um. I think you mentioned something about. like a threatening innuendo and was. >> Yeah, that's what he said. >> No, that Yeah, that's.

>> it. >> It didn't even register as plausible. given the fact that you were on his. property. He's got his guys. I was like, no. Like I mean, who would try to size. up and then be like, yeah, no, I'm going. to take you on your own property with. your own men all around with cameras in. front. That didn't sound right to me. But up. >> Yeah. And we did and we did go into the. uh wreck room and was kicking around the. bags and everything, stretching and. um doing this and that, but you know, he. said he he looked down like a puppy.

>> cuz he even admitted that he made that. threat. And see, I just like blocked. that out of my mind just then. >> Crazy. But um look down like a puppy. Like no, that's not me. I don't I don't. like to fight. I don't fight. But. um that was kind of that was kind of a. low blow. >> Yeah. Still kind of making you feel. small. >> Yeah. Yeah.

>> So you get out of there a day early and. what happens thereafter? You're kind of. now realizing what this is. >> Maybe kind of adjacent to this sort of. Nars cult. Uh. >> yeah, >> Nar cult or yeah, new Apostolic. Reformation, something. >> No, I really didn't. I still thought in. my mind that they that Victor was just. unaware. >> all the way all the way through this. point. Just unaware of of what he was.

involved with. That's how how deep that. bond had become or or whatever you want. to call that. >> Yeah. You can't see what's right in front of. you. >> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And um so I leave I. leave the property and I'm staying in. Colorado for another month. And so I go. get Airbnbs, jump around a little bit. I.

do a demo at uh Douglas County. I just. drove up to Douglas County Sheriff's. Department and and walked in with my. full AR on my back. It's a huge huge. department, like 600 officers. I just. walk in with my full AR and, you. [clears throat] know, declare it and. they find me the guy to talk to out of. this. huge um [clears throat] uh police force. And the dude was just blown away by it.

Had never seen it. We got a demo set up. the next week. Came out and did a demo. for them and SWAT team came out, SRO's. came out. Um, several of the other like. armory guys and they just loved it. M. >> so that's what I love doing by the way. is is you know I'm not a combat guy but. I will show anybody how to deploy the. full AR especially SRO's and le guys and. I really good at it and I can talk them.

through the product and demonstrate. really well and that's what I enjoy. most. So that was that was a good thing that I. was able to do while I was still there. But I was there. I had already set up. intensive counseling. Uh, and Victor knew about it. I think he. said that he paid for the counseling. >> Mhm. >> Did not. Um, I paid all of it. It was. $13,000. with the counseling in the room,

but I don't know why he said that he. paid for it. He didn't. >> So, my wife did come up. It was set up. for individual counseling for me as an. intensive two-week deal. Um, and I pressured her into coming. I got. we we got to do marriage counseling. And so she did come up. We went through. it.

Uh, I did well and and ended up getting back. home. and. um, yeah, I mean that's kind of the history. of the last visit for Victor Mark. So, I want to uh also interject that in. this same timeline, you did have one of. your fold ARs went missing, and it's. just relevant to bring this forward to I.

I think kind of just an interesting kind. of just interesting certainly is. interesting. You um you went out to sell. an AR and I want to get the timeline. right. This is June of 2024. >> Okay. So that one that one was June 24. That was an online purchase. >> Mhm. >> That we shipped to a gun store in Texas. >> Okay. And. >> not in person. >> It was not in person. And it was for a. police officer um down in Texas.

>> And then you kind of got a phone call. I. know I already told my audience this, but you get a phone call from the. officer less than a month later, about a. month later, maybe just over a month. later, uh that the weapon was stolen out. of his vehicle in while he was in. Midland, Texas, >> right? >> And he gave you the case number or the. report number. >> Yeah. And he didn't call me paper. >> Yeah. When this when the incident.

happened, he didn't I didn't know about. it. >> Oh. Um, but he uh. Yeah. And on July the 4th, it was. stolen. >> Mhm. >> Purchased it in June. We shipped it to. his gun shop. Um, in June, also, late June. And on July 4th, it was stolen in. Midland out of his vehicle. >> Mhm. And then he notified the Midland. Police Department, took a report, serial.

number, and a report number. And um. >> so he didn't give you that report. number. >> Not not during then. It was much. actually it was only few weeks ago. >> Okay. So you actually didn't know that. it had been stolen until a couple of. weeks ago. >> No. >> After the ATF? I got the ATF trace on on. September the 10th. >> Okay. So, just to kind of get our ducks. in a row here,

>> uh June 2024, you it's an online sale. It's going to police officer in Texas. The police officer loses, does not. inform you, but gets the gun stolen from. him, I should say, in Midland, Texas. The story is he says, which you'll find. out later, is that there is uh his. window was open or something while he. went into the gas station. someone. grabbed it and he called the police uh. the local police obviously he's a police. officer but not in Midland and filed a. report for this missing gun. You.

actually did not find out right away. You did not know at all that this gun. was missing or had been stolen until. what next happens is on the day that. Charlie was killed. >> Right. >> Oh, that's an interesting thing. I. thought that you found out immediately. that he just kind of gave you, hey, just. a heads up or whatever. >> Okay, that's interesting. So. on September 10th, you get this email which we are going to.

show um which is from the ATF which they. are performing is something that's. called a an ATF trace. What I've. explained to my audience is that uh when. they do this trace, it's because this. weapon has popped up typically in. always, I think, in a crime and they're. trying to trace the gun and who's the. manufacturer, who sold the gun, I guess, sort of whose hands have crossed it. Am. I describing that correctly, >> right? >> And you have 24 hours to respond to this.

email, >> right? >> Or I don't know. I guess they swing in. the doors. I don't know what happens. actually if you what if you miss. deadline, but you don't you're not going. to test that out, right? So, you. instantly respond to the email. Obviously, this is now uh on the morning. of Charlie Kirk's assassination, which. is definitely interesting. It's. definitely something that piqued your. interest of, okay, I get this trace and. suddenly this gun that I think is all. good and belongs to a police officer in. Texas is coming up in an ATF trace. This. is really interesting. I did not realize.

appreciate this when you first told me. the story. I thought you police officer. had instantly informed you. So, you're. thinking that's kind of weird. Um, I now. know that this gun is potentially being. used in a crime. What happened to this. gun? You contact the person that you. sold it to, a police officer. And. >> much later. >> Much later. Now I'm on the day of. Charlie's assassination. >> I'm because you just don't know what to. think of this. Obviously, a lot's going. on. How much later is need to be. perfect?

>> Couple months, couple weeks? Cuz it's kind of in the back of your. head like that. And it was. >> it was about I would say about 4 weeks. ago from today month ago. >> So re very recently. >> Yeah. >> Cuz it's just kind of in the back of. your mind like that was a weird thing. And I don't know why this would be. involved in a crime at all because this. is I sold to a police officer. Feels. kind of safe. >> And at that moment did you leave a. message on his phone when you called or. did he pick up instantly? >> Uh he picked up instantly.

>> Okay. and. he told you the story of, "Oh, actually. that's so funny that you say that." And. you ask him, "Hey, did the ATF call. you?" He tells you the ATF did not call. him. Actually, they called you. And. >> well, didn't call me. They They did. >> They emailed you. They did not email him. or trace anything with him. How weird. Actually, what happened was I actually. lost that gun at a gas station because. somebody took it from me. I called the.

police and then he gives you the report. number. >> Mhm. >> After you hang up the phone. >> Yeah. I sent it in a text message. >> Okay. And we can show that this this. text message that you received of the. report number. Uh he you feel confident. when you're talking to him that he's. telling you the truth. I think you told. me that you felt like. >> Yeah, I felt like he was telling the. truth. >> Okay. I had I will say I had trouble. with the story. I I've already expressed. that to my audiences just because I.

go off of vibe sometimes. And for me, when I heard the story of like a police. officer, you know, calling the police, that's a police officers tend to be. embarrassed if they get something taken. from them because like we're the police. officers. supposed to stop the crime and. then it happens to us and they'll they. get all proud and well I'm going to hunt. this guy and kick down with you know. they kind of are excessive when it. happens to them or someone that they. love or in their immediate circle even. if you cut off a police officer suddenly. they're like giving you the worst ticket.

ever you know it's like I'm a police. officer and you violated the laws I. found it even more unusual and again I'm. speculating here but I just am familiar. with Midlands incredibly wealthy. because of the oil. Um, and I thought it. was very strange that a gas station. wouldn't have cameras and you had asked. him about that and I What was the reason. he told that he didn't they the cameras.

weren't facing or they didn't have. footage? What was the. >> Yeah, I think it did have cameras and he. did he told me that he did go in and. check, but they couldn't see the visual. of it. I guess at a at the angle the. vehicle was parked or wherever it was. parked at, but it didn't tell me. >> too much about that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I struggled with that a little. bit. I'm going to be honest. It's a gas. station um wealthy area. I just felt. that would not be too likely and uh then. also just that a lot of unlikely things.

that happened there. So, but I did say I. have not uh had the time yet to reach. out, which I'm going to do to hear that. story. There's something about it that. just instantly strikes me as very odd. Um, for whatever reason that strikes me. as very odd and I don't know this, so. I'll ask you the question. In that. typical scenario, shouldn't they have done the trace on. him first? >> So, they do the trace on the. manufacturer.

>> Mhm. >> Then it went to a gun store. >> that he has his gun sent to. >> Mhm. And then they're supposed to trace. do the same trace for the same material. to that gun store. And then um that gun. store would tell them, "Okay, we sold it. to this person. Here's their phone. number and address.". >> Did the gun store Did you call the gun. store? >> No, I didn't. >> Okay. So, that's something that is could. definitely be chased down. Okay. I'm.

definitely going to take a look into. that. I I do find that to be as you did. this for the same reason. It's just. like, oh, that's kind of precise timing. and it it also is sort of, you know, the. timeline that. you I don't know, just a lot going on at. that in that timeline in 2024. So, we'll. see. Um, but that is that definitely was. of interest to me of just just a lot of. planes were coming out of Texas that day. in general, I think, is why it kind of. also flagged me um as weird as just. looking into the Charlie Kirk.

assassination and things of that nature. and then kind of this weird connection. with Victor's like trying to get these. guns from you in that time frame for. different things and he's giving you the. Haiti spiel, but now I'm in contact with. someone from Haiti who knows Victor. Marks and it's very it's just getting. even more interesting. Um I don't think. anybody really knows Victor Marks. I was. that person shared with me messages. I. was surprised to learn that his. backstory about being abused by his dad, his dad being named Karl Mars. I guess. it was right there, but I didn't know.

that Karl Marx was Jewish. This Karl. Marx's dad, that was um something that. came across in text messages that were. given to me. >> That uh he's quite defensive about. Israel is what I would say. He's he is. similarly how he. >> Yeah. >> kind of got real serious with you when. it came to the IDF. He similarly got. serious with this other individual who. is interested in speaking out um who was. his liaison to Jimmy Barbecue in Haiti.

and similarly this person kind of did. some one-off comment about Israel and he. met a different Victor Marx is what I. would say who was like what if I told. you my my dad's Jewish and don't ever. say that ever again. So there's a lot. that's compelling to me and something. that I hadn't shared before with my. audiences is that he was uh Charlie Kirk. stopped speaking to Victor Marks. entirely. Their relationship I mean like.

unfollowed each other. I've uh spoken to. several people about this. They didn't. know what the falling out was about but. it there was an very big falling out. between Charlie and Victor Marks. And. >> do you know what time frame? Uh well, it. all had to happen in the same season cuz. Victor Markx was not in it. I don't know. the time frame. I will find out. And he. had completely stopped talking to him. They had stopped following each other. And I'm wondering,

you know, how then his wife was so close. to Eileen and Victor that that's one of. the first people that she wants to hug. and connect with after the. assassination. and he also happened to. be the first person that we can find. that announced that Charlie Kirk was. dead and then removed that video. I just. find that to be. really interesting and hopefully we will. get some answers from Victor Marks about. what his falling out was with Charlie. Kirk if that was ever patched out.

Actually, I don't know if it was. Um, his relationship with Erica makes me. uncomfortable given the fact that I had. already arrived at a question mark about. the Egyptian planes. My thesis was that. they were trafficking weapons um, based. off of the pattern over 3 years. beginning in the same time frame that. you're discussing in 2023. and. she happens to have a proximity to a lot. of pastors that have interesting pasts.

and presents and always a finger on. trafficking charities. And I I find that. not to be coincidental. I don't find. that to be coincidental. And um. I just don't think it's possible. I. don't think it's possible that everybody. can be doing charity in the same way for. orphanages and wanting to stop out human. trafficking. And the Jimmy Barbecue. story was interesting because of also. Tim Ballard.

and Operation Underground. I don't know. if you're familiar with them. >> a little bit. Yeah. >> Yeah. I um had interviewed him, had. heard the story, totally fell for the. story that he was helping these victims, and then he arrived in a massive scandal. where people were saying, "No, that's. not actually what he was doing. overseas." And so, it's another piece. that I need to put together, but there. just sort of seems to be a lot of these. connecting themes with um. [clears throat] you know,

my heart's in the right place. I'm doing. charity. I'm doing this. This is the. theme of the charity. I'm protecting. orphanages and I think that there there. potentially could be more here and I. think the biggest theme and the one. that's the most upsetting in listening. to your story. uh the current that runs through all of. this is this faux faith and it feels. like the entire world was given this. retooling prayer so to speak after uh.

Charlie died. I feel like we went. through that but publicly where suddenly. we're being told this is all God. ordained and this is what who you have. to follow and this is who you need to. listen to and if you question this. you've got demons on you and you it this. is I think um what was so compelling. about your story because it was a a. microcosm of what we have seen happen. since Charlie um passed away and we have.

this Victor Marks connection and I find. the manner in which he dealt with you to. be sort of the manner in which Turning. Point, the stage, everything they have. dealt with us publicly like this is what. God has ordained and nobody should. question this. And yet we all feel the. darkness. We everyone that collectively. the world feels a darkness there outside. of the you know little bubble of the. mainstream media that's trying to. conduct the retooling prayer on us.

Um yeah I want to say that I I want to. say that there is you are what you. perceived in February April that faith. is being manipulated and it is not for. light forces it is for dark forces. people are going to feel that and and I. I felt so seen when I was reading your. story and realizing what we're actually. looking at here is dark psychiatry this. is this is dark it's psychiatry It's. manipulative. You had um used the term.

when we were discussing which I think. many people are familiar with which is. Darvo. Do you want to talk about what. Darvo is in case they're not? >> Well, yeah. Um this is something I just. learned over the past few days is a. Darvo. If I can remember properly, it. stands for deny. um attack, reverse victim, uh. >> victim and offender. an offender. Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> So, the perpetrator. denies what you're accusing him of. He. attacks you and then he reverses the. roles of. victim and accuser. And when I say that. we are going through this on a large. scale and it was exa exactly how I just. my experience with turning point after. um when you walked in tonight I was on. the phone with actually the president of. the University of Georgia um and she and.

this sorry for the Turning Point USA. chapter and there had just been this. situation where Erica wasn't going u. because the crowd size and she said that. was it. It was it was the crowd size. We. told them that it wasn't going to be a. big crowd. We were concerned the entire. time. We had communicated this to them. that people didn't want to go. Conservatives didn't want to go because. they don't like Erica. And they told us. to keep going, keep going. And then. Erica abandons that commitment in the. last moment. And they get on stage and.

they blame the world. You know, it's. like you didn't show up for your. commitment and now you're telling the. world that she had death attacks or. like, you know, death threats and that. wasn't true. And and so the students are. resigning. she's resigning her post and. she said I. exam the same psychological tactics. Um. there needs to be a broader discussion. about that. There just needs to be a. broader discussion about that. And so. there is sort of this um. nucleus and I and I shouldn't even call. this is this is so unhealthy. There's.

there's a really unhealthy cell here. that's building with faith. It's not. really faith. It's a cult. I think it's. actually a cult in practice is what he. was doing. I think there was father if. you actually spoke to a priest about. everything that happened. I was watching. an interview with Father Riper. I don't. know if you got to see that. >> I did. Yeah. >> Incredible. It was incredible to hear. him speak about some of those things. I. found it to be incredible and I haven't. even finished it. Um I want to pivot to.

this weapon story though cuz again. talking about everyone in Erica's orbit, I had just covered that her mother. similarly was trying to buy or get. involved get the patent. I should say. for uh another gun company, unique gun. company, which could hold uh different. bullet types in each chamber. I know I'm. terrible at speaking about guns. You're. smirking here. What What do we The. cylinder. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> Different rifling in each in each. cylinder, which is super unique. >> And when I said that to you upstairs,

like that's very interesting. Your gun. can fold. This gun would be the first to. do this. And Lori was having this. meeting. It did it ended up not panning. out, but her Erica showed up and they. were interested in this in this company. or this patent rather wasn't actually. made. And I thought, what is it? What do. you think it is about these super unique. guns that they're interested in and I. would like to hear your perspective? And to talk about September 10th because. I think if there was a shot fired,

could it have been closer? Could. somebody have had it in their backpack? Again, we're surmising here. We are. totally not saying this is how it went. down, but it certainly makes for a. compelling conversation. >> Yeah. So, so that uh [clears throat] I. got to see a video rendition of what the. product that you're talking about. It. looks like a revolver and it seemed to. have multiple chambers. um that each have different calibers. built into it. And uh typically that.

would be like a handgun style firearm, but um you know, you just extend the the. cylinder, so to speak, out further and. put a stock on it and whatnot. And then. it could be configured as some kind of. shoulder fired weapon. And in theory, you could have, I don't know, up to. 10 or 15 or more uh different calibers. in it.

And so I've never seen that product in. the marketplace. I suppose it didn't uh. >> hasn't been manufactured yet. >> No commercialization there. Uh as far as. the patent goes, I'm not I've never seen. it before. But um. >> he did secure the patent. >> Yeah. >> Three years it took, but he's got the. patent for it. >> I would say this. So. the fold AR. uh has several unique features to it. One being that it can fold obviously and.

the other that is not so obvious is the. quick change barrel system. And so with just a push of a pin, you. can take the entire barrel system off. and swap it with a different barrel. system of a different length or caliber. And so in the in the uh in the case of. the AR-15, the most common calibers are. 5.56 or 223, same caliber there, and 300.

Blackout. So um we sell proportionately. 60 to 40, you know, 60% the 5.56 and. maybe 40% 300 Blackout. And so it's very. common. being that the. ballistics report of the shooting say 30. caliber that doesn't necessarily mean. 306.

And so it could be a number of 30. caliber which is the diameter. 30 in. It could be any number of different uh. cartridges, but all 30 caliber. And so that matches. a 300 blackout profile. And so. in my opinion, why. um maybe certain countries would want a.

barrel system changeable rifle. I mean. it's twofold. One is. one is for assassinations. >> Yeah. >> And uh so here's here's the scenario. Again, speculation. I'm not hanging my. hat on this, >> right? >> We don't see much evidence. We see a few. things.

Um, but the scenario is. you have a backpack, you have a rifle that fits in it, and it would not necessarily have to be. a fold AR. There are some other models where you. can take the barrel off with different. means, but they're not very popular. Um, in the case of a fold AR, you could have.

the folded rifle in a backpack and. another barrel system in it. And so you get to a shooting position, you take the rifle out, you unfold it, latch it, take your shot, you fold it, pop the pin, take that. barrel system off, grab the other barrel. system that's in the backpack, connect it to the receiver set, throw the other barrel, the the freshly.

shot barrel system back in the backpack. or wrapped around a towel. And you either leave the gun there. and you take the backpack and the towel. and the barrel system with you and jump. off a building. or you put it all back together in the. backpack and go. put the entire unit somewhere else. So reason behind that [clears throat].

if. If you're want to get away with. assassination, then. you shoot a bullet out of one system, one barrel system, and then you swap it. over to another, and your bullet profile. doesn't match. As long as you get one of. those components out of the mix, then. you're. effectively scot-free.

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Let me ask you a question. Silly. question, but I'm allowed. I think uh. one of the things obviously that's been. the biggest discoveries in this is that. the bullet didn't go through. Right. So, this is why people really struggled with. the 30 odd six because, you know, it would take down a moose. Um. But is the 30 any 30 scenario would that. be different.

>> as someone who's not familiar with. different. >> bullets and what they can do which would. be me and I think a lot of other people. as well like that was that's something. that. >> to me feels like it it would have to be. a lot smaller. Um, >> so [snorts]. there's a lot of schools of thought. around this and I'm not a ballistics. expert. I'm a compact weapons expert on. the AR platform, but um, ballistics I've seen a lot. I've.

I've shot a lot, but you know, I don't. do that every day. You know, that's. that's that's. my qualification there. However, um I do know that 300 Blackout, especially a subsonic. um has a much higher probability of not. going through than a 300 6. Now, >> can I ask what a subsonic is?

>> Subsonic is usually charged, well, always charged with a lesser burning. powder. Okay. >> Um, and so it'll travel ideally below. the the sound barrier. >> Mhm. >> Which is going to be around. >> so literally subsonic sound. >> Yeah. Okay. 950 ft per second plus or. minus depending on. >> temperature, elevation, all that. >> Mhm. >> And so, um, I wasn't there, so I didn't. hear the gunshot. And of course, hearing.

it through phones and audio devices. isn't the same. Uh, a lot of people can. tell the difference right off the bat. between subsonic and supersonic. >> Um, >> also there were speakers there. There's. one theory that they played a sound that. was different while another one escaped. I mean, there's a thousand different I I. there's so many theories out there, but. um, people would be able to tell a. difference between a subsonic is the. main point. Okay. And so with. and I'll just describe, you know, the. most likely ballistic profile that I.

would uh be looking at for this type of. D and and I don't see the body. >> Mhm. >> I'm just here. I haven't even seen. pictures. I saw, you know, the immediate. aftermath of those videos, but we. haven't seen, you know, the body. Uh so just again if. there was no exit and there was a. fragment of the bullet in the found in. the body and I think I heard somewhere. that there was other lead fragments.

found inside. Don't know if that's true. or not, but um what you're looking at is a. potentially a. subsonic. 300 Blackout. that uh perhaps wasn't shot with the. suppressor installed on it. and uh did not did not go through and. separated when it hit. and a piece of.

the jacket coming off and and. separating. And um. again though, if there is no exit wound, you're gonna find all the bullet. fragments inside and you'll be able. >> Yeah. >> And you'll be able to weigh it and uh. you'll tell exactly or pretty close how. much that bullet originally weighed. after you get all the pieces together. >> Mhm. And so, um, if it is true that no.

fragments left the body, then it will. all be there. >> That's Yeah, it's got to all be there. It's an autopsy. >> And so, maybe we're not seeing the whole. picture. Maybe some fragments did exit. somewhere. I don't know. Um, but I could see a 300 blackout doing. that. Even a supersonic. blackout could possibly. um still remain completely inside the. body and separate and not penetrate.

through. um 300 six though. I mean, I've had a guy that that was a. sniper, a marine sniper that that said. he's seen all kinds of crazy stuff. This. is just last week. And uh he he could envision a 30 out six. corlock. possibly doing that but. >> in the neck. >> Yeah, >> that's the problem. It's the neck like. he seemed kind of.

>> he seemed kind of like Yeah, it's very. unlikely but I've seen crazy stuff. before. >> People have sent me uh pictures of them. like dad accidentally shot himself. It. actually ricocheted off a tree and hit. him and it went through both of his legs. like um ricocheted. So it was slowed. down and they sent me one guy was in the. hospital. I just wanted you to see what. a 30 oxid did to me. I was on a hunting. trip had an accident and like. >> this is how far it was and I was I mean. these people almost lost their ability. to walk like I mean it's like and this. is the leg, right? So much more like a.

neck is just that was kind of the other. thing is it was the neck. If it was the. chest I think people could have been. like okay maybe like. >> I I do want to ask you a question. When. you sell um your guns, are you giving. them every every barrel option comes. with it? >> No, they'll they'll usually just buy one. version. >> One version. >> Occasionally they'll get a a barrel. system with a different caliber along. with the purchase. >> Okay. And may I ask regarding that Texas. purchase where the gun went missing,

which barrel option was it? >> That was 5.56, >> otherwise known as a. >> 23. >> Thank you. >> Mhm. >> Okay. [laughter]. Okay, that's very interesting. So, that's. actually smaller than 30. >> So, that'll move a lot faster. And uh. that was a 16in barrel 223. And so, velocities are going to be up in. the um. 3,000 range, feet per second. And with.

most ammo that's going to punch right. through and not even expand much and. just poke a hole unless it hit hit bone. of course. But um I [clears throat] mean. there's all kinds of different. ammunition and. >> Wait, sorry. When you say it's going to. go right through, do you mean like a 300. 6 go through? >> No, 30 6 is just um it's expanding. quickly. It's got a lot more energy and. bigger diameter. and it's uh I would say in.

within two inches of neck. it's already. >> not even like the middle like we're it's. you know less you got less if you're. going through this way you know um which. is where he was hit. but a 22. >> is just going to a normal 30 six is just. going to plow right through. >> Mhm. I think they knew that. I think. they they were never planning on. showing. >> And even still, if if the jacket did.

separate quickly and didn't just. mushroom in and stay intact, depending. on the bullet design, even if it did separate, those pieces. after they separate, they're they're. >> some of them are going to go out and. exit. Even if one of them's can hit bone. and then travel back down like they. said. >> Yeah, >> possible. But the other piece is going.

to shoot out somewhere. >> Yeah. And it just didn't at all. >> Yeah. So, I would say this with a 300. Blackout up on an inclined roof angle, a. subsonic 300 Blackout round. Another interesting thing to think. about, typical gun ranges, you're going to zero. your rifle at either 100 yards or 25. yards. Doesn't have to be the case, but that's.

typically what you do with your scope. And so, let's say you you zero it at 100. yards. Well, when you're now at 150 yards, your. bullet's going to drop. If you're at 100 yards, it's going to. hit right on where you're aiming if. you've done your job and zeroed it. But. if you're at 100 yards, it's going to. drop. It's a subsonic round. It it may. drop 10 to 12 in,

maybe 8 in, maybe 14 in, but it's going. to drop. adding that extra 50 yards. And then you. have the incline factor. >> Mhm. >> So you're shooting kind of downhill and. it's not going to drop as much. So. you're shooting flat. If it's let's just. say average of 10 in it drops. The. incline it's going to drop maybe seven. or 6 in even.

>> Yeah. I'm I'm not convinced that shot. came from that uh Losi center building. Well, so if it did and you had a 300. blackout that was zeroed at 100, then it's very reasonable that it would. hit in the neck if aiming exactly for. the head. >> Mhm. Yeah. I tell you what, it's it's a much. more believable story than the one that. we're getting. I will say that. So, um I.

mean this is all just so fascinating to. hear your story and I think it gives us. a lot to think about. I certainly have, as I've said, am happy to have Victor on. this podcast and to allow him to tell. more about his life story. Uh which I. think many people have found parts to be. unbelievable. I do think um I think he's. a crazy person. I will say that for.

sure. I just just in the basis of the. story you're telling me, the the. retooling prayer. Um I think he's wildly. manipulative. I think he's probably. um involved in a cult in the occult. I. that's what that all sounds like to me. And um but it is also like I said, a. dark psychiatry for sure. And [snorts]. I do think that right off the bat you. were a victim of that. And he he. targeted you for purposes that had very.

little to do with faith and more to do. with the product that you had. And it's. a piece I think the uh person who wrote. the piece and has been working on your. story, Corey Kennedy, right? >> Mhm. >> Did a very good job when she described. it as a mosaic. We're looking at a very. large mosaic. a lot of players are. involved. Um, all kind of using the same. tools, manipulating people, attacking. people, making them think.

that, you know, they're not doing right. by God, which is the wildest piece of. the manipulation. It's the darkest piece. of the manipulation. If you don't serve. me, if you don't do this for me, you're. not doing right by God. And putting. themselves in positions of power over. people's life and and just learning. those points, those where can they push? Where is this person vulnerable? What. are they the most scared of? Well, then. I know how to put them more firmly in my. grass, under my thumb, you know. >> Can I I would bring up a topic. So, on.

Israel, um. I'm not against Israel. And I don't have some beef against the. IDF. I don't have a beef against the. people of Israel. I don't have beef. against Jews. [clears throat]. um. with Victor. claiming that he's Jew, that doesn't. matter to me. You know, Israel is.

Israel is believers in Christ. And uh. you know, replacement theology. is not is not the thing. Dispensationalism is not it. It It's. right in the middle. It's fulfillment. >> Jesus Christ fulfilled. And so. we are supposed to still treat. everybody, no matter what ethnicity they.

are, no matter what country they're. from, with the love and respect that Jesus. Christ. gave us an instruction to do so. And so, you know, I like I like the idea. of protecting the nation of Israel. um. just as it was any other nation. However, offensively,

no. Defensively, yeah, but we crossed. the line, right? Mhm. And uh what I see happening is. the fulfillment of prophecy. I think that we've got. we've got a condition set where we're. about to throw down Israel. And that's that's equally as dangerous. And so. with I mean, did you see what Trump read.

today in the Bible? >> I have not seen that yet. I've been. working all day. Yeah. So, um it's a call a national call for. repentance. and um you know when you look at what. was read today, you combine it with the story of of. Solomon, which that's where this this. chapter this verse set of verses is. coming from. Uh they're preparing to build the third.

temple. >> And so, just look into that. And. >> I'm been looking into Freemasonry and. their obsession with. >> Solomon's temple, Solomon's ring. It's. where the that is what the flag of. Israel is. I mean, it's um yeah, I will. I will look into that. I did not see it, so I will say that. But. >> yeah. Yeah, it's it's [clears throat] an. interesting one. And. >> you can see what's guiding Trump is sort. of this dark theology right now. Uh, and. he's not really concerned about anything.

other than something that he thinks is a. higher calling. I think is what that's. what it feels like to all of us where. doesn't seem like he cares about what. happens to us one way or the other. There's something higher that he's. serving. I don't think it's higher to be. clear. I think it's lower. But. yeah, >> the story of Hosea is a really good. example. So, Hosea and Goomer, >> you know, Hosea was instructed to go. marry a prostitute. and uh that prostitute represented.

Israel. Hosea represented God for Jesus. And um so he he did it and uh Goomer. ended up doing [clears throat] what a. prostitute does and ran off and and uh. went prostituting and got captured. again. And uh Hosea uh in a in obedience. he uh went and bought her out of. bondage. And so he still loved.

his. his wife who had disobeyed. And it's the same situation to look at. with. the Jews or Israel is that they've. rejected Christ, but God does still have. his arms open. And the promise is still. there. Old covenant is not there, but. the new covenant is there for them. And so in that manner, all of Israel will be saved. All.

believers in Christ will be saved. So we. got to keep that in mind when. when we see the synagogue of Satan, you know, that's just a small portion of. Israel. >> Yeah. You see people I mean I think you. hold the perspective of most true. Christians you know we want everyone to. be saved. >> you know it's it's. >> we are this is not and some religions. and faiths are exclusive no you're born. into no we want everyone to be saved. want everyone to find Christ and we also.

want people to not be distracted by. those who are saying they're doing. things in Christ's name that are. actually taking you down an entirely. different path and I think. you your awakening that you started to. have about wait what is this? Um I know. Charlie was going through that in the. end. Charlie was looking up and. wondering what the heck was around him, who these people were. We had had those. conversations about the manipulation. about the moral blackmail which she. spoke about about um what I had.

described to him. It was like this is. like a gang actually. It's a gang and. it's a and they're imparting spiritual. warfare. And so I I do think in the end. he had clarity on a lot and was, you. know, fighting. fighting for himself and fighting for. truth and realizing that what Israel. was. I do I I know that. I know that. Charlie was recognizing that. And I.

don't believe he died in vain cuz we're. 7 months into this thing. Seven and a. half months into this and I wake up. every day and he's still a national. conversation. >> Yeah. >> It's an international conversation. >> Yeah. And he and he still loved Israel, >> just not the things that his. >> knew that what they were doing didn't. work anymore. And um the reasons he was. told being told it was fine was not okay. anymore. >> And um yeah, it's exactly what you went. through. I think exactly what I went. through. And so it's uh there's no.

hatred on our part which I no matter how. many times they try to psychologically. convince us that it is an act of hate to. notice things that are wrong that are. plainly wrong that we can see with our. own eyes. >> Yeah. >> You know I think we have covered so much. here. Um and I just want to thank you. for opening this conversation to. everybody. I think this is going to send. people down a lot of different rabbit. holes. I know for me, I definitely want. to chase that full they are that went. missing. Um, and.

>> I think it's a I think it's um. I [snorts] think it's a divine point. >> Yeah. >> In the right direction. >> Yeah. And it it could be nothing but. >> it is saying look this direction. >> Mhm. Yeah. You felt it. Had a question. I have a question. There may be an. answer. Sometimes you go somewhere and. it, okay, it's nothing, but we got to. try it. I feel like we have to do all. that stuff for Charlie, you know, just. to keep looking. And yeah, I think just. Thank you.

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