Update! Erika Did Not Go Home. Source Confirms AI Voice Tactics. | Candace Ep 336

All right, you guys, happy Monday update. for you. Erica Kirk did not in fact go. home. I just have to say, no one bounces back. faster from shootings than Erica Kirk. She really is remarkable in that way. Uh. this time, after saying she wanted to go. home, us enduring a lecture about how. she needed to go home to her family, she. bounced over to to Michigan to address. the graduating class of Hillsdale. College in a commencement speech. It's. just It's all over the place, the.

messaging, right? She's too scared to. get on a plane by herself. Secret. Service can't protect her. Oh, now she. doesn't have Secret Service, and she's. back on stage at a school, nonetheless. I don't know what to think, guys. What. you should know. is she was awarded an an honor honorary. doctorate. The internet has a lot to say. about that. Also, we got to discuss this Charlie GPT. thing that we have been hinting at, because it's looking like um. there may be more legs to the story, thanks to a source which came forward.

You know that infamous recording of. Charlie saying, "I appoint Erica Kirk.". We're going to discuss that. And lastly, Nick Shirley, do you remember him? We. mentioned him one time on this show. Well, he went on to uh Patrick. Bet-David's show and said that I came. for him. It's feeling a little. over-the-top dramatic, but I'd like to. actually address what his general. presence in the media space signifies. more broadly speaking, because it is. important. Welcome back to Candace.

First and foremost, happy belated. Mother's Day to all of the mothers out. there. I hope you enjoyed special. treatment. I know Andrew Colvett had a. bit of a day. Bizarre trend over on X. Uh so, it looks like Project. Constitution reported that Andrew Kolb.

was getting a divorce and it was just. not true. The basis of the report was. not true. But, boy oh boy did all of Turning Point. USA rise up to defend Andrew Kolb's. honor. I mean, Andrew himself hit back. hard immediately. He basically turned. into Will Smith at the Oscars. He wrote. this. LOL, you wish, fat boy. And that he. says, keep my wife's name out of your. mouth and off your feed and you'll have.

more prob- or you'll have more problems. than you bargained for. To everyone. else, happy Mother's Day. And yeah, we. can pull that clip in cuz it was. definitely giving that energy of Will. Smith. If you want to play that clip. >> KEEP MY WIFE'S NAME OUT YOUR. MOUTH. >> YEAH, THAT WAS THAT WAS THE ENERGY OF. THAT. And then, it wasn't it couldn't it. wasn't left there. Tyler Boyer then. jumped in into the foray to further. defend Andrew's honor over a divorce. rumor. I'm like, this is just like I.

wake up and there are rumors about me. getting a divorce. But, Tyler Boyer. said, we have had numerous things like. this said about us. It is reckless. disregard for truth from people who call. themselves investigators. Okay, uh. never one to be left behind, Blake Neff. jumped in. He wrote back to Project. Constitution, you are not very smart, are you? And then, when somebody asked a. question about why Andrew's wife was not. at the White House Correspondents. Dinner, Blake Neff insisted he he wrote.

back. Again, this is just all Um Blake. Neff wrote, instead of posting deranged. rumor-mongering at 7:00 a.m. on a Sunday. morning, have you considered that you. could look this up or use your brain? White House Correspondents Dinners are. all held by press outlets. Everyone else. is there by invitation. How did you even. know he was offered a plus one? Andrew. lives in Phoenix and has three children. How do you know his wife would want to. fly five hours across the country to. attend one dinner? Okay, so strong. I I by the way have.

never heard that Andrew Kolbe is. divorcing his wife. Uh like I said, bit of an aggressive. response for a divorce rumor, which I I. literally think this happens like once a. week when you're in the public space. Me, regarding that, I'm just forever. amazed at what Turning Point USA and. their execs choose to respond to. And. the more important things that they. remain mum on, okay? Like I said, apparently it was Project. Constitution who sourced this rumor. And. they were happy to respond to it, which.

means that they do not view him as a. psychopathic knife-wielding subway. killer. So they responded, right? Because it has. been, according to our count, and I now. have I'm keeping the count here on our. desk, 39 long days since we reported. that donors who were present in Aspen. assert that the audio which was shared. by Turning Point USA of Charlie saying, "I appoint my wife to run Turning Point. USA if something happens to me, she'll.

do a great job.". was faked. This is what they are saying. I'm. reporting that. They They are saying. that that was faked. It never happened. Charlie never said that. And Turning. Point for some reason is refusing. to drop the video of that moment saying. this of Charlie saying this. They're. also refusing to even respond. authoritatively. They could simply. respond and assert that it absolutely. was not faked and that the donors are. lying. Their donors are lying. Big. donors are lying. That feels a little bit suspicious to. me.

In fact, Blake has specifically. expressed concern, you will recall, that. if they do drop it, people will say it's. AI. Wow, that's an oddly specific. concern that you have about dropping. this video. And I got to tell you, the more I listen. to it, the more AI it sounds to me. Take. a listen. >> A lot of organizations and groups, as. soon as a founder leaves, it just kind. of collapses. A lot of my job is not. always in the day-to-day details. It's.

very much vision casting, very much. driving success. But we have a great board, and God. forbid if something happens, they'll. figure it out. I appoint my wife to run. Turning Point USA if something happens. to me. Erica would do a great job. I. appoint my wife to run Turning Point USA. if something happens to me. Erica would. do a great job. I appoint my wife to run. Turning Point USA if something happens. to me. Erica would do a great job. >> It just doesn't flow when you hear it. It It's also. remarkably formal. I appoint my wife if anything should.

happen to me. It's like exactly the. sentence that he needed to say he said. Not just like, "Oh, Erica can do it. Yeah, I mean, she'd be great at that. Whatever.". Hopefully, we won't have to think about. that question until down the line, but. it I appoint my wife to run Turning. Point USA in the event that anything. happens to me. We would like a response. on this. Are the donors lying? It's a. possibility that for some reason the. donors are conspiring to lie about this. moment. A simple yes or no would do as a. starting place, right? I I think that. would do just as a starting place. Yes,

they are lying. No, they are not lying. And the video, which I would like to. point out, Turning Point USA mentioned. this video to us. Erica herself told. Megyn Kelly an emotional story about. what she felt like watching that video. for the first time, the video of Charlie. choosing her, violating suddenly his. every public statement and sentiment. that he had ever expressed in the past. about women working, complete 180 from his prior positions.

Please just drop the video. It's all we. ask, and we're asking politely, by the. way. And now we've learned even more. interesting information because it turns. out we can now definitively state that. Turning Point does use AI voices for. their presentations. You will recall, in. Aspen, Charlie was presenting to donors, and it turns out that Marcus Wada, we. introduced you this guy, this is this is. the Turning Point employee that's a. rehabilitated. former arms dealer.

Okay, a former arms dealer who now works. for Turning Point. This is a thing, a. lot of them become pastors. They find God and they find Turning. Point like at almost the same time. And Marcus Wada, one of the things that. he offers is that he is able to create. these AI voices for them to use for. their presentations. So, AI technology. is what they currently use to voice over. their Turning Point presentations, and. typically, I am told they use the voice.

of Pastor John Amanchukwu. So, if you're. at a Turning Point event and you're. hearing a presentation and you hear a. guy speaking over, you're actually. hearing Pastor John is not actually. recording that. They're manipulating his. voice, I'm sure with his permission, to. speak over in the presentations. They're. They basically take someone's voice and. turn it into a narrator. And that is, by the way, unique. So, it is an entirely reasonable. question to ask, was the same thing done. for Charlie posthumously?

And I want to tell you the reason why we. are going to continue to ask this. question and why I'm keeping this on our. our desk now, is because it's crucial. It's actually a. crucial question. I'm starting to. already see the creep of people who are. trying to downplay the significance of. that moment, right? People pivoting to, well, even if it is AI, why does it. matter? I saw this This is just one example of. it, but John Mappin, who is the person. who introduced Charlie to actually his.

biggest donor. Charlie's biggest donor. was introduced to him by John Mappin. A. donor so big that that donor was first. in line on a list of donors who received. personal phone calls from the hospital. the day that Charlie died. And John Mappin was similarly told, he. shared this on X, that. a donor who was at that Aspen event said. it never happened. Okay? It never happened. So, this is. going around. And when John Mappin shared that. information, he was met with the. response from Kimberly Klacik. She wrote. this, "Question, if the board elected.

Erika Kirk to be the CEO and none of the. donors have come forward questioning the. decision, why does it matter? The donors that contacted you are more. than capable of contacting Blake." She. continued, "Okay, so I can answer that. I can answer. why it matters. It matters because if it was in fact an. AI. audio. and Erika was referring to an AI video. clip which they in the end decided not. to use, uh this would tell us exactly.

who and what Erika Kirk is, okay? It. would put to rest any lingering. questions that some people may have in. the background if we are able to. determine that she colluded to create a. fake AI voice of her husband announcing. her to take over his company. If she was. even emotionally capable of this. a mere weeks after he was horrifically. and publicly murdered. If she was. capable of then sitting across from.

Megan Kelly and spinning a tale about. her having seen this video and what it. represented to her emotionally, uh a video which was never recorded. because it never occurred to justify. her taking over the company that he. built. And if Erika was then able to. shamelessly walk out to the sound. of a voice of her husband which she knew. was doctored by AI, right? Pa- passing. the torch to her, "The company is mine.

at Amfest while she wore glittering. pants, glittering pant plant pantsuit. and had fireworks going on behind her. She knew this was all AI and they. planned this moment to make people feel. emotional. Then we would have our answer. Erica would be a confirmed ruthless. psychopath. Okay? You know that. psychopath brandishing a weapon that. Blake's concerned about, that would be. Erica. Erica would be the kind of person. that if you see on a subway, you should. move. If you're capable of that, because.

that would mean she was void of any and. all human emotion. Capable of I am being. clear, I am not being dramatic if this. turns out to be real. I would assert. that she is capable of real harm. She is. dangerous and I would extend that to. every person around her who approved. that monstrous plan. So that would be. Blake Naff, Andrew Colvett. We would be. looking at a psychological profile of. people. that I would suggest are very much.

capable of cold-blooded murder. Okay? In. my opinion. That this is my opinion. I am asserting that if you have the. ability to do that, that's not just like, oh, husband died. and wanted to sign some papers and steal. the will. It's like, how can we sell. this to the public? We can create this. AI video. You need to go out and sell. this to Megan Kelly. Say say you saw the. video, that it you know, you were pulled. by it and then you're going to go out. and we're going to have Charlie say it, but we can't show the video cuz the AI. tech is not at the right place yet. So. it's a little glitchy. So we can't show. the video, but like as long as people.

hear his voice, they're going to be. moved to tears. Then we're going to. bring out Nicki Minaj and this is going. to be your moment, baby. So make sure. you have all that glitter and sparkles. If she was able to do that, truly take a. second here to just just consider that. in your mind. If we find that out, confirm this is AI. What does that signify about Erica? It signifies that she had that meeting, that it took place and she was able to. stomach it. She was able to stomach. hearing her husband's voice.

intentionally manipulated after he was. ruthlessly murdered. And she thought, "Okay, he's dead. What can he do for. me?". Uh we can use his voice to have him hand. over the company so people will not. blink and they will not ask questions. There was no reason to do it. Like I. said, that's what's even scarier. The. only purpose was because she wanted. people to accept her. moving into his position. And it's becoming increasingly likely. that that is the circumstance. Um it like I said would be beyond. anything we've ever seen, a real-life. horror movie if it proves.

uh to be true. And I have to say, I do. not believe there is any upside to the. donors lying to me. I don't see the upside. They loved. Charlie. They went there. They gave it. their money to Charlie. They don't need. to be a part of this story. What is the. upside for donors to come forward and to. say, "Candace, keep pressing. This did. not happen and I am certain it did not. happen and it is terrifying me that. you're saying. that they're out there uh telling people.

that this happened in Aspen.". So, you take your chance You you you. guys can take your bets on whether you. believe Blake Neff and his uh Subway. killer scenario as the reason they won't. release the video. Anyway, moving on from that, a fun. update. Um Erika Kirk is maybe she's now. Dr. Erika Kirk. I I I know she said that she wanted to. go home. She says a lot of stuff. She says a lot of stuff. She's in. drapes. Nobody knows why. Uh she told us. that she was going to take some time to.

be with her family. Then she came in. dressed like Janet Jackson. She yelled. at me. She yelled at Drewski. She yelled. at you for the fact that she had to go. confront the wine bottles that were on. the table. And then like I'm taking a break, but. then actually now she's not taking a. break again. It's a quick break and. she's back. She's always back very. quickly and we're probably we're to get. yelled at again that she had to even go. get the speech done. uh for Hillsdale College. Somehow it's. it's always different. Erica can do. whatever she wants and we're just sort. of left here holding the bag. She went.

to Michigan. to Hillsdale College to deliver a. commencement address. Okay, it's her. prerogative. I think we're all adjusted. to this new program of Erica can do. whatever she wants and simultaneously. she accepted a posthumous doctorate. degree for Charlie uh honorary doctorate. and also an honorary doctorate for. herself. And I want to be clear that people that. are on the left. and have been enduring people on the. right saying D E I D E I people should.

not be hired on the basis of how they. look. They should not receive. achievements. It's a regular beat and I. do believe that by the way. I'm I am a. full I'm anti-DEI as well. Um but. they're on the internet and they have. something to say about it. The internet. is saying this is. fans against everything that you guys. preached. Why is she getting an honorary. doctorate? What has she accomplished? And I'll let you I'm just going to read. one of these tweets. This is written by. someone named Brian Allen. I don't know. who this is but uh they wrote. Hillsdale College, one of America's.

loudest opponents of D E I just gave a. woman an honorary doctorate and. commencement speech opportunity because. of who her husband is. That is the definition of D E I. Diversity, equity and inclusion for me. and not for thee. So conservatives. I hate to call balls and strikes here. but like yeah, that's right. That that's that is actually the very. definition of D E I. Like I I when.

people have someone come and give a. commencement address. that's usually not the circumstances. that you give someone an honorary. doctorate for. Fair? I don't mind it. I get it. Like I said, I'm adjusted to this new program that. she can do whatever she wants and. they're just going to keep handing her. stuff and she's just going to become. more and more accomplished and people. that are calling this out and saying. she's not qualified for this, welcome to. the program, ladies and gentlemen. Virtually, Erica's entire educational background. has sort of just been fictionalized and. when people began pointing this out, we.

got yelled at. This is just par for the. Erica course. We keep being told it. doesn't matter. Her husband died. Right? She told the. when she was trying out for the American. race. with her ex-boyfriend, she never said, you know, she never had a boyfriend. before Charlie in the five years before. Charlie, but she did. And when they were trying out for the. Great American Race in the video that. she submitted, she said that she graduated from ASU. magna laude.

Years later, she would edit that. credential. She just kind of upgraded it. on her LinkedIn page when she wrote that. she graduated summa laude. Right? With a double degree, I should mention. You can take a look at this, her. LinkedIn page, in political science and. international relations. This is This is. the old LinkedIn page. It since has been. removed. Turns out she didn't graduate magna. laude and she also didn't graduate summa. laude. She didn't graduate with any. honors and she did not graduate with a. double degree.

That was all just made up for funsies. and she's put it on bios, so this is not. like, oh, this was one mistake and I had. an intern that typed a button wrong. It's been put on bios. In fact, ASU did. not even offer the international. relations degree. at all in 2012. Baron Coleman, some other people online, dug up the. dug up everything from the past to see. if the catalog even offered it. The. answer is no. So, she just made it up. And we're not allowed to ask questions.

Not the only thing she made up. Pull. that up again. You will also see on her. LinkedIn that she has Doctor of. Education that she received that in. Christian Leadership from Liberty. University. That is factually untrue. That's made up. She took a a couple of credits toward. that goal, but she never accomplished it. Just a couple of credits toward the goal. uh when her and Charlie were together, and then she decided that was enough, and she could assert that she had this. Doctor of Education. She doesn't.

Our fault for noticing. Our fault for. fact-checking her background at all. How. dare we? Her husband died. Um and she's allowed to compulsively lie. about everything all the time. And if. you are a person that thinks, "Hey, if you have a profile of an individual. who compulsively lies about everything, that person should probably not be put. into a leadership role." If you feel. that way, you're the monster and you're. demonic.

There were so many holes and so many. lies in the Erica Kirk background and. and story that we had to choose. We had. to like think about editing. How are we. going to tell the Erica Kirk story when. we did Bride uh Bride of Charlie. We had. to just leave a lot of them. Okay, we're. just going to let her go with that lie. We never even covered that the whole. educational background is made up, virtually the entire I mean, she did. receive her master's um from Liberty. University online, but she just keeps. adding credentials. So, I say, more. power to her. I think we should call her.

Dr. Erica Kirk. I think we should lean. in to the absurdity. um of of where we're at right now as a. society, where everyone can see what she. is and apparently she's a part of the. elite class of people. Let's call it the. Epstein class of people who just don't. have to answer. There's no consequences. for anything, and they can make us the. bad guys for noticing. So, I salute you. uh Dr. Kirk. We'll be back after a brief. break. All right, you guys. Imagine waking up. one day and seeing gold at $6,000 an. ounce. It might sound surprising, but.

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force us to believe things that are just. not so. And they become angry, and they. become insistent, and they spend more. money, and they're just getting. influencers that go out there, and. they're I I just I mean, I felt this. way, by the way, when the transgender. thing was happening. I was very vocal. against this. It's like there's a. difference between a woman and a man, and they just kept pushing it and. pushing it and pushing it, and it's like. you can, you know, wear the clothes that you want. to wear and feel how you feel, but there. is such a thing as reality, okay?

And now we've moved away from that. becoming a social issue, and it was. always, you know, obviously political, but we're starting to see this in. politics. We're starting to see them, and that's of course is the example with. Dr. Kirk and her entire background, which makes no sense. Where the entire. world notices that this is this is what. the Erica Kirk story feels like. It. feels to me, if you're a conservative, like it felt when we were going through. the transgenderism argument, where we. all know that this is not right. So, maybe some people are pretending to be. nice. It's actually a perfect analogy. here. A lot of people who I know who.

initially were like, "Yeah, let's. support transgenderism." It's not. because they believed it, they just were. like, "It's just nice. It's the nice. thing to do, right?" I would say a lot. of lefties found found themselves in. that category. That person feels that. way, let them feel that way. And it's. the same thing with the Erica Kirk. story, where it they're just ignoring. the facts, they're ignoring all the. lies, and they're just like, "Well, it's. just nice because her husband died that. we shouldn't even consider uh whether or. not she's lying about things or whether. or not she's helping to cover up certain. things that would help us solve the. mystery of um how her husband died, and.

she's not acting right. She's not acting. like a grieving widow.". I'm going to give you another example of. this, like recently. This Nick Shirley. guy, this thing that is going on, okay? It's now getting weird enough that I do. feel the need to comment and weigh in. I. didn't even know that this is like this. was a beef that I accidentally uh. stumbled upon that people were saying, like he's this the term that they use. here is fed jacketed. Like essentially, he's being created by the media. There. are a lot of people that are like that.

I would say Bari Weiss is a perfect. example. Like, we all know she's not. qualified. to be an executive at CBS. They just. don't care. She They're just There you. go, Bari Weiss. And this Nick Fuentes thing is one of. the weirdest non-beefs that I have ever. had. So, I'm going to back up here and. say, I do did not follow at all the. {quote} {unquote} rise of Nick Fuentes. He's 24 years old. Um it was, if I recall, like very. quickly after the Charlie Kirk. assassination. He was sort of introduced. first on the Charlie Kirk show on the. day he died. Remember, we covered that.

That's the reason I covered him on the. show on September 10th when I was trying. to work through timelines and I made a. mistake. Um and I completely owned that. mistake and had a conversation with him. uh right after the Charlie Kirk. assassination. Uh suddenly, I was not. emotional emotionally available to look. at other topics, to cover other topics. I was not interested in other trends and. suddenly we have this this kid, 23 years. old I think he was last year, and they. say, Nick Fuentes has uncovered massive. welfare fraud in the Somalian community.

in Minnesota. Okay, a friend of mine. just got shot in the neck. Don't really. care to follow the story. Daycare fraud. Great, thumbs up. Did not peek beyond. that at all. Um I didn't I want to be. perfectly here I perfectly clear here. I. did not watch or read even 1 minute of. what he uncovered. So, color me. completely ignorant of the welfare fraud. story in Somalia. Just being honest with. you. I didn't have it in me then and I. just truly did not care. Okay. So, then. fast forward to me mentioning Nick. Fuentes on the show and I was like, okay, who is this guy? And I was.

quite stunned that there was this video. out there of him saying that he like. broke into infiltrated the most. dangerous gang in Brazil in 48 hours. Like, that's so objectively stupid and. ignorant. You have to be. so ignorant to even believe it. That's. just be a headline that your brain. automatically rejects, right? A. 23-year-old kid, absent any connections, infiltrated a gang in 48 hours is like. they are they are trying you right now. They they're not even trying to give us.

like good slop anymore. Like we're we're. we're beneath the level of fed slop with. this, right? It's just stupid. It's. nothing personal, Nick Shirley. It's. just dumb when you hear it that a person. infiltrate a 23-year-old kid, and I did. say a white boy for a reason, which I. will explain, infiltrated the most dangerous gang in. Brazil by himself with cameras, okay? Anyway, Nick Shirley, after I said this on my. show the next day, it was like trending. and all of these people, the people I.

trust the least, by the way. I mean, like Tim Pool, everyone's like writing. these statements like Nick Shirley got. punched in the face by me because I'm. not an idiot. I don't have to look. deeper into that story. It's obviously. objectively on its face untrue and made. up. I don't know if it's for. entertainment. I don't know if it's for. funnies. I don't know the purpose of. making up something like that. I've just. lived a little bit of life and know that. that's not how it works. And so, PBD, who has just been sort of taking swipes. at me for like since Charlie Kirk died, you know, he notoriously hosted the. person who said I didn't speak to.

Charlie. since, you know, 2019. We hadn't spoken. We were at war with each other. Whatever. I don't care. You know, it's. just add it to the pile of people who. are are constantly just making little. snide comments on me. But Nick PBD, who. was one of the people who issued a kind. statement about Nick Shirley because. gasp, he can't doesn't believe that he. infiltrated a gang in 48 hours, hosted. him on his show. And they show the clip. of what I said, and PBD's pretending he.

had no idea. He completely already knew. I said this. Even the whole little scene. you're going to watch between them is. just so contrived. It just bothers me on. a level of why do we have to live in. this soap opera? Why are we all Sim. characters? Who who pulling the strings? Anyway, I want you to listen to this. conversation that they have. >> When the market. is supporting you, who in the market is. criticizing you that you're surprised on. the conservative side? Are there people who are like, "Nick,

go. You're doing great." And then. there's people that are like, "Yeah, I. don't know if I like what he's doing.". >> Candace Owens came after me. uh a while back. That was very. interesting. >> Why would Candace Owens come after you? >> I don't know. She like didn't believe my. Brazilian favela video. And. >> Oh, it's not even the So, you're talking. This is a couple years ago. This is not. recent. >> recent. She's like, "White boy." I'm like, it. was very like snarky of her to do this. >> Interesting. This is it? >> Yeah.

>> But which video was that? Is that a. recent video? >> Last summer. >> I'm just going to say I don't believe. that at all. I'm sorry. I just I I I I I. just It's so stupid. I'm not even going. to tell you why I don't believe it. It's. like It's like if you don't know that. that's stupid that he infiltrated the. gang in 48 hours. Like it's just that's. so dumb. I'm so tired of dumb. That's. not how that works, okay? You don't just. go up to gangs on the street as a. nice-looking white boy with a camera and. say, "Hey, I just wanted to sort of like. see what you're doing here. What's going. on?".

Okay, let's just stop. That's stupid. Of. course that's dumb. I'm sorry, Nick. I. know you're young. I hope you know, whoever is your contact that has you. infiltrating antifa and infiltrating El. Salvador at the age of 23 years old, it. just feels like Sean Penn young to me. >> Meaning your your handler or you're. representing somebody? >> Like she's basically saying that's fake. >> She's saying that's fake. >> And I'm like, well, maybe if these. podcasters would actually leave their. podcast studios, no offense, Pat, uh. they leave their podcast studios and go. and like do journalism, like they'd.

actually see like stuff just sometimes. just happens. >> It was that last part that really sent. me cuz it's just so lol. And then this. whole like, "Oh, why don't you try to do. real journalism and and like leave your. basement from podcasting. Alex Clark. kind of backed this up, too, because. like she can't miss an opportunity. Turning Point can't miss miss an. opportunity because I think I took from. them what they believe is rightfully. theirs. But she wrote this, "Nick. Shirley is a real journalist. Candace. Owens is not." Oh, okay. So, we're in a. podcast, we're in the basement. Hey. Nick, so the reason why we know that. that doesn't make sense, actually, is.

because you have to be the most. sheltered person in the world to even. have to to need it to be explained to. you why that's not plausible. Okay? It's. not about It's not a job. Okay? People. just live in these scenarios. People. like literally, I have five year. five-year-olds in my family who have. seen more and lived through more than. you've probably ever lived through in. your life. The circumstance itself did. not happen. And I I cannot tell you how. much it frustrates me that you're. pretending that I'm coming from a.

position of privilege when it's actually. the exact opposite. You couldn't do this. in Chicago. You couldn't do this in. Detroit. Forget in a favela in Brazil. Places like that, which I have. Brazilians in my family, you don't even. go to parts in Brazil without having. someone who is from that place and from. that neighborhood. Uh so, no, it's not. about podcasting in my basement. I. actually lived a lot of life, Nick. Shirley, before I got to podcasting in. my basement, before I was married, before I had children. In fact, I moved. down to South America for 2 months to. learn Spanish with very strict.

instructions. The school that I enrolled. in, don't wear any jewelry, don't don't. wear any makeup, don't look American. You don't just go down there, as I said, and why I'm pointing out the fact that. you are a white boy is because you don't. look like them. The whole idea when. you're down there is to blend in, not to. come with the camera. A Mormon kid from. Utah with the camera, "Oh, hey, what's. the most dangerous game in this in this. favela? Can I infiltrate in 48 hours?". It just didn't happen. It didn't It. didn't even kind of happen. And any Like. I said, you have to That could only work.

you'd have to sell this to billionaires, right? You could only make people who. have never touched their own door. handles. Like you'd have to grow up like. Paris Hilton and go somewhere where Nick. Shirley is and he tells you about how he. infiltrated a favela and she would think. that that's plausible cuz she's never. even been to like a dangerous gas. station. That's how fake that is. Like. there are gas stations on the New Jersey. Turnpike that people. you couldn't infiltrate. You couldn't. buy a bag of chips and feel safe, okay?

And you're trying to tell us that you're. just a 23-year-old kid who infiltrated a. favela in 48 hours. I don't need to. pierce but beyond the layer. I've just. lived these things. I've lived these. circumstances and so have the majority. of people. And so I don't understand the. purpose of Nick Shirley. I didn't know. that there was this huge scandal and. then subsequently found out that people, you know, think he's fed jacketed. I. wasn't trying to hit upon that. I just. watched the video and had a reaction to. how stupid it was that they're trying to. sell it. They're not even giving us good. psyops anymore. They have such low. respect for us. Um you you couldn't go.

to trailer parks and do that. There are. certain trailer parks, a lot of them, that you couldn't go through and do. that. Like you would get harmed. And by. the way, it's irresponsible to suggest. to 23-year-old kids that they can do. this. I actually find it to be. irresponsible. Like yeah, you want to be. like Nick Shirley, you can just go down. with the camera, no connections, and you. know, you'll suddenly arrive and be welcomed. into a gang. They'll be holding guns and. you're perfectly safe. He's just that. amazing. His words are just that gentle. and just that kind. I pointed out that.

you would have obviously stood out, Nick, as a white boy walking through a. favela with a camera. They would look, there's just a certain natural things. that happen. You stand out. in the jungle. Oh, this does not look. like someone that should be here. You. could say the same thing. If you if you. put any person, you could if you put a. gangster rapper and you put him up in. the suburb suburbs which where they. haven't seen a person with melanin in. over a century, they'd go, "That person. is standing out there with their.

jeans down low, baby, you know, below. their butts or something like that. You. just would look odd and you it is the. exact opposite of anybody who has lived. and been around these areas, you know. that you don't do that. It's just it's a. basic survival thing, you don't do that. You I I have family reunions Nick. Shirley couldn't infiltrate and survive. That's just the reality. Like so this. whole like tough boy. because they don't leave their basement, you sound sheltered. You sound sheltered. that you think that because I podcast.

today that I didn't live a lot more. yesterdays. way more aggressive yesterdays than. you've ever lived in your entire life. That's why I laughed Nick cuz it's so. implausible that you did that. And the. other thing that I want to add here is. just more broadly speaking, I don't know. why they're doing this now. It's and I. do think we're getting to this sort of. stage of idiocracy whether we're talking. about the Erica Kirk thing, everyone can. see it that is so painfully and. obviously untrue whether we're talking. about the Nick Shirley thing, it's like. they've calculated to a point where they.

should just be able to with X amount of. dollars, with this amount of. influencers, and with this much power. behind. a political party whether it's we're. going to get Trump to support this. person or you know, we're going to get. Kamala Harris support this person. It's. like an equation that they're just like. this equals success. And. we're rejecting that. We have to hold on to common sense. Like. we all just have to know. that Nick Shirley did not infiltrate a. gang in 48 hours. We all just have to. know that it is not normal for a woman.

whose husband was assassinated in broad. daylight to 6 days later be on a Zoom. call laughing about emojis. Like we. should all say, "Nope.". Doesn't pass the sniff test and I'm just. not going to have you explain to me. I'm. not going to like make you like pretend. that this is some sort of controversy. because I have common sense. They're. trying to make it illegal to think. Like it's illegal to just know things. spiritually, instinctively, intuitively,

doesn't pass the sniff test, and I just. feel like we have to hold firm on that. So, I don't mean mean to use Nick. Shirley as an example. I don't care. to further wade into the controversy of. people who are talking about his. background and saying that he's been. created. I tend to just look at how. people react when I point out the. obvious to know that he's got some. backing behind him, right? He's up here. crying about a a little remark about. favela. Like, okay. It didn't happen. So, take that or leave that. He is being. pushed upon us for some reason. I don't. know what that reason is. By the way,

he's now going to be going to Cuba, guys. No connections. He's just going to. Cuba. He claims he he went to Cuba. He was. almost taken hostage. Man, this is the. bravest kid in the entire world. And of course, this headline from. yesterday, "Will the US invade Cuba?". It tells us that spy flights there are. surging. There are new sanctions. And we. all know the CIA is involved in Cuba at. this moment. So, I don't find the timing. of Nick Shirley.

I find everything about him to be. suspicious. I would say to everyone, look at these videos with some degree of. caution cuz that none of this is. natural. Neither is like the fake feigned. surprise of PBD. I'm so surprised that Candace came after. you. Like, completely ridiculous. Anyway, we'll take a brief break before. I get to some of your comments. All right, you guys. Do you maybe owe. back taxes, have years of unfiled. returns, or maybe you file every year. and still can't get ahead because the. balance keeps growing? A lot of people. get blindsided after retirement. Maybe.

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government and they are being sort of. just kind of put upon us, the worst upon. us. We don't really know why. And I. would just say that that's just common. sense. It doesn't pass the sniff test. for me and I'm just going to hold that. opinion. I'm not going to investigate. I'm not passionate about Nick Shirley. It was such a non-item on my show that. the fact that he's like trying to extend. it into some beef is ridiculous. The. fact that it was even trending after I. said it. Like Like I said, the people we. trust the least all being like, "He's. the most amazing thing. I can't believe. he had to survive someone saying that he.

didn't go to a favela." That in and of. itself feels feels inauthentic. That. just That's not a a normal way to react. to someone saying, "Yeah, don't buy that one." Um and like I said, I wasn't aware of the history of people. who had gone after him and showed. whatever the connections were and I'm I. don't plan on investigating it. I just. don't care enough. On to bigger things, uh more important things like I said, which for me is the Charles Kirk. assassination. A top comment from last. episode, friend ban writes, "I think. Erica hit the sixth stage of grief, which is bridal shots." Yes, you guys.

I I think we're with me, just very. confused about why she was in the. drapes. I don't know what was going on. I know that I couldn't do that when I. was a kid. My mom would say, "Get out. them drapes right now." Um. she just or whatever. And I it was very. bridal and next thing we know, like I. said, we were being shouted at. Alex B. writes, "I desperately need an Erica. Kirk South Park episode." Yes. Oh my. That would be amazing. Obviously, we. would get in so much trouble. So much.

trouble. But it I think it's worth it if we are. in trouble. We're already in trouble all. the time. with the mainstream media. So, uh that. might happen. Like I said, Charlie would. have laughed at that stuff, but we see. that Erica has taken the Drew Ski skit. deadly serious for some reason. Um and for the record, the people that. were trying to turn that into something. racial, like Andrew Colvette, now do. like black conservatives. He does every race. If you know Drew. Ski's skits, he makes fun of Vietnamese.

people. He dressed up like he was. Vietnamese person, did this whole nail. salon thing. So, it's this It was not. because of her race that he did that. And just last week he dropped a massive. video where he was targeting black. British actors and it was hilarious and. we just laughed at it. So, I hate to see. that the right has become the things. that we hated about the left like not. able to just take a joke on its face. Nobody got hurt in him mocking Eric. Kirk. Uh clearly she got her feelings. hurt, but it's because she takes herself. apparently uh way too seriously or maybe.

she was just promised that she would be. protected and she would everyone was. just going to love her and I think she's. quite surprised that the opposite thing. um. seems to be what they accomplished. And. the reason for that is because she just. comes across as inauthentic and. dishonest. Um and they have no response. for all of the various lies, inconsistencies, um inaccuracies that we have pointed. out. They just keep saying demonic, send. out the pastor, send out the pastor to. tell him it's demonic, it's demonic. No, lies are actually in fact satanic. Satan. is the author of lies.

So, if you're looking to people who have. been telling the truth or people who are. trying to get out the truth and I will. say, do we make mistakes sometimes? Absolutely. But at least we have it in. our heart that when we do those. mistakes, we course correct, we. apologize, and we move on. You guys are. on a level of arrogance uh that when you. get literally just caught lying, you. yell at us. You she doesn't show up to an event and. you have JD Vance lecture us. Get out of. my face, JD Vance. I'm sorry. I actually. really disliked him after that. I'm like.

he's sitting up here on the stage. yelling at us because she doesn't want. to go to the event because no one wants. to hear her speak. Like that's so. backwards and it is so abusive and. narcissistic to do that to people. You. you want to make comments, you wanted to. be Charlie Kirk so bad that you. allegedly made a whole AI video saying. your husband wanted you and we all deep. down spiritually know that is untrue. Okay? Charlie didn't change his mind 2. weeks before he died. We know what he thought. We have hours. and hours and hours and hours of footage. of Charlie Kirk saying women should stay.

home. You wanted to put on your big girl. glitter pants and and take his role and. be CEO and chairman. Well, guess what? Life's tough, get a helmet, okay? No one. feels bad for you because you have to. deal with criticism that Charlie had to. deal with for last 10 years, and he took. it gracefully, he fought, he answered. the questions, he allowed people to go. through his life. I've had to do the. same thing. Nobody's crying. crying for me when I'm my family's. getting attacked, and all of a sudden. you just think that what this was. supposed to be. I dub thee Erica Kirk, the CEO of.

Turning Point USA. Nobody ask any. questions. What is that? Wrong country, sweetheart. No, we don't. we don't do the king and queen I dub. thee stuff here. So, if you can't take the heat, get the. hell out of the kitchen, Erica. That's. just the reality. Just get out of the. kitchen, step down, go away, and pretend. to be a grieving widow. That works for. everybody. Anyway, a little too fired up here. I'm going to. move on to your comments from today's. episode. We have a Bill K writes, "Crisis King,

Marzi Queen, and Candace is a princess. Happy late Mother's Day." Thank you so. much. No, the only princess in this. house is my daughter. She's definitely a. princess. Um she's just working me these. days, man. You just it's so fast how. clever they are. They just know what to. say to get what they want. I'm being. outworked by toddlers over here. Moderator Marzi writes, "Hey Candace, I. know you were covering Nick Fuentes. surely today, but I wanted to let you. know that the Quartering has messed with. you on X and is now facing a potential. lawsuit involving false flagging and. deplatforming other YouTube channels, as.

well as for doxing and harassment.". That's very interesting. I did not know. that. Um. I will look into that. I had no idea. I. who is suing him? I know nothing about. that. I just read these comments live, so I wasn't expecting that one, and I. have I can't really add anything to. that, but I thank you for giving me that. tip. Um Mrs. MPK writes, "What's your. response to reporting that during your. private interview, Erica Kirk gave you. Bryan Harpole's alibi for the alleged. Fort Huachuca sighting? Did you ask. Erica for her alibi during your. meeting?" Um ops doing the most. This. merits clarification. Yeah, no,

absolutely. Uh she gave me the I thought. it was very strange. So, my thought. process, just to remind you guys, and. you'll see this all cuz this is going to. come out in the filings, and I actually. I'm thinking about doing the Brian. Friedman thing, which was obviously a lawyer Blake. Lively Justin Baldoni, where he just put. it all online cuz I have nothing to. hide. So, the timeline on that is when I. had received the email from Mitch or. email it was Mitch's friend that emailed. me, and I called him, and he said his. story. He was clear that he saw Brian. Harpole and he saw Erica. But, he said. he saw Erica Kirk on the 8th, and she.

wasn't leaving a meeting. Brian Harpole he saw on the 9th, and he. was leaving the meeting on Fort Huachuca. base, and that was when the cops were. called, all of that. And I You have to remember like at this. particular time, I didn't suspect Erica, and I felt like she was under a lot of. like pressure. And I didn't want to. unnecessarily put a spotlight on her. because he saw her at a hotel. It wasn't. related to the meeting. He didn't see. her with Brian, and I knew that her mom.

and her stepdad have contracts with the. government. So, there's a thousand other. reasons that she could have been at the. Fort Huachuca airbase that were not, you know, weird. So, I made the decision. when I first presented the story, which. was absent before my interview with. Mitch. So, I basically first told. Mitch's story, his entire background, and then I said, "And he says that he saw Brian Harpole.". If you go back and you watch that, I. said he saw Brian Harpole on the 9th, right? Removed Erica from it entirely. Instantly, the next day Erica did went.

on her tour, the stop tour. And Erica. suddenly was very panicked about this. So, it's almost to me like she knew that. if we got Mitch onto the show, he was. going to tell the other part, which was. that he saw Erica. Like there was some. like she did it was the not the five, the Harrison What is her name on Fox. News? I'm totally blanking on her name. If you guys remember it, tell me. Harrison Faulkner was her is her name I. think. Yeah, she went on Harris.

Harris Faulkner, sorry. Harris Faulkner, she went on that show and then she was. all fired up for the first time and like. stop conspiracy theories you need to. stop. That was the very next day. So I. was like that's interesting cuz we. didn't mention the Erica part yet. Does. she know something that like it felt. weird. Then the day after that she did. Barry Weiss and they cut the clip of her. saying, "What do you have to say to the. podcaster Candace Owens?" I then would. later find out that they had planned. that the question answer segment and. she's like stop, just stop. Then I got. Justin Strife that backfires. Justin. Strife emails us and we're off for the.

weekend cuz I said I'm going to. interview Mitch next. I had said that. I. get Ian Carroll calling me and he's got. Paramount tacked I mean uh Valhalla the. YouTuber Green Beret basically already. threatening me like don't. don't interview Mitch. That was what was. coming up. I was I wanted to interview. Mitch as I said um or else he's going to. sue. So I'm getting threatened with a. lawsuit before I even interview Mitch. and I'm like dude, what's up? So I message Brian Harpole and I'm like, "Hey, like I'm going to have this guy. Mitch on but like. we could I could also like if you want.

to debunk it I'm happy to do. I don't. know this guy but this reaction doesn't. feel organic to me. Like everybody seems. to be panicking and I haven't yet had. Mitch on. He doesn't answer. So I'm like. okay. Then Erica comes and we sit down. They scheduled it for Monday. and you will remember so they were still. thinking I was going to have. Mitch on my show then. They scheduled it. during the block where I would normally. have my show. They said let's have a. ceasefire. No one's going to talk and. then they boosted Paramount Tactical. basically trying to debunk me on the. show while I was in a hotel for 4 hours.

And I thought it was very odd that she. said to me that. they were very upset with Brian Harpole. that they were not they had a. communication breakdown with him. They. never authorized him to go on the Shawn. Ryan show but then she handed me an. alibi for him. I'm like, "Why are you concerned about. his alibi? You're not talking to this guy and. you're going to fire Brian Harpole. why. are you concerned about his alibi so. much that you're handing it to me, right? And then we look at it, I looked. at it and I said, "Oh, this actually. does not cover the time period that.

Mitch said he saw him.". So at that moment, I'm not saying to her. anything. that he saw you, too, but I'm paying. attention to her behavior. Right? At that point, she had already. told me a couple of lies, so I was on. the like, "Okay, let's go easy." Clocked. her on a couple of lies, but I didn't. want her to stop talking. And she sort. of just sat up and handed me Brian. Harpole's flights, which were for 1:49. p.m. on the 9th going to Utah. And I. said, "This doesn't cover the time. period, so this is not This doesn't. actually debunk anything.".

And she said, "Oh.". I thought that's weird. Cuz I'm you're not talking to Brian. Harpole, so. what's up with this, you know? Then after all was said and done, then. and then Justin asked me, "Are you going. to" still didn't mention it to her. And then Justin asked me, uh "When is your show off air?" cuz we. were coming up on Christmas, and I was. like, "Well, in a couple of days, actually." And it was almost like they. just kind of wanted to get me not to. interview him. And then I interviewed him. I did it on. the 18th. I was like, "I'm going to do.

this because. I messaged Brian Harpole, Erica didn't. give me an alibi for him, and I allowed. Mitch to tell a story, and he. said that he saw Erica on the 8th." And. what happened thereafter. was we were threatened, literally. threatened. I mean, when you see these. messages that Valhalla was sending about. how I would be ruined, he explicitly. says, "She We're going to ruin her by being. like if she does not like basically. revoke her commentary about Fort. Huachuca, we're going to basically bury.

her in everything Mitch has done in his. past. I'm talking to his ex-wife." I'm. like, "What is Why are Valhalla and. Paramount Tactical" Then they called. Mitch. And they tried to play good cop. They were like, "Yeah, brother. Like. uh we'd love to have have on the show, fellow green green beret." But they were. saying that I made up that he they were. telling me the opposite or trying to. tell me the opposite that this is a a. case of stolen valor. I went this is. really weird. Who's directing these two. people? Who's directing Paramount. Tactical and Valhalla?

And then lo and behold the answer came. when accidentally. Paramount Tactical read Erica's alibi. um live on his show when it said please. don't share. And then what was stranger. is that the kids in the photo who's like. these are her kids. She was walking with. her kids. I didn't even share the fact that I knew. that that was not her kids. Well guess what? Guess who just admitted. that guys? Paramount Tactical. He says okay fine. they have now just admitted over the.

weekend that the boy in the Fort. Huachuca alibi photo is not Erica's. which the internet immediately clocked. Okay, if you have kids you know you're. not looking at a 16-month-old. I think. that's how old. um their son would have been. This is. giant child. And I had someone very close to the. family say that's not either of the. children actually. So at least we now have Paramount. admitting that's the alibi that was. given in which Andrew explicitly states. she was with her kids as he sends the.

photo don't share. those are not her kids. Maybe it's GG I don't know. Person. that knows them says it's not. We now have confirmation that's not the. son. So so much weird stuff happened and then. to realize that Andrew was coordinating. that was trying he was the one. coordinating these like YouTubers. Valhalla and Paramount Tactical. What's. weird about that is they were in. communication with me. Erica and I had. just sat down. So they could have just. texted me and said hey just so you know.

I saw that you mentioned uh whatever. here's Erica's alibi here's where she. was um. she was she was not at Fort Huachuca she. was here. They didn't do that. They went behind the scenes and I will. clock another lie. It was after Erica. told me that they were getting rid of. Andrew Colvin. So, Andrew Colvin has been doing her. dirty work. She's obviously got caught. red-handed working with Andrew Colvin to. get this out through this obscure. YouTube channel, this alibi, after she told me that they had hired. crisis PR, and they were moving Andrew.

out of out of PR. I can't remember she. said they were going to fire him, but I. certainly know that she said they were. moving him completely off of PR, full. stop, and they had stopped using him. because he had been an unmitigated. disaster. That was when she was lying. about Andrew went rogue, Andrew went. rogue. So, when you have this many lies. that are being told about something that. I was pretty much like. less than 50/50 on. Genuinely, I I. obviously fact-checked enough to know. that Mitch was there. He had the videos. I had his hotel reservation. I had um I. had confirmed with a source that his ID.

tags were real, the military ID tags. He. had sent me so much overwhelming proof. that he was there. Um. when you have that sort of a reaction, it doesn't make you think the person was. not there. So, they took me from being. 40/60, maybe even 30/70. Like, I believe Mitch was there, but. like he could just have a weird memory. They could have literally said, "Oh, I. must have been a look-alike. It wasn't. Erica or Bryan.". They did way too much. And the amount of times that Bryan.

Harpole lies in this lawsuit on its. face, to me, does not make me think he. was not at Fort Huachuca. Him saying. Candace had his alibi, they know that is. objectively not true. They know that his. flights on a 9:40 for 1:49. p.m. from Dallas to Salt Lake City. Okay, so why are they Why would you put. that in a filing? Why are you saying he went on Shawn Ryan. because of the grief that I put him. through, knowing fully well that I never. mentioned him on my show until. post-Shawn Ryan?

These are lies. He's lying in a court filing. So, what This does not make me feel I I. am not here today going Well now that. he's filed this lawsuit I believe him. for the first time I messaged him four. times. I now believe Brian Harpole was not at. Fort Huachuca. It's the It's actually. the opposite. The filing to me feels. like Blake Lively. Feels like Blake Lively's filing. It's. meant for PR. It is not based in truth. They still have not provided any. receipts as to his whereabouts on the.

morning of the 9th and I look forward to. getting them. Anyway, um that was a You got a lot more. than you bargained for with that. But I I guess I had to get off my chest. Um. AJ Gons writes Hillsdale College. objected objective truth or willful. blindness how disappointing. I I can. tell you that I knew that she was going. to speak there. I had so many students. messaging me that were upset about it. It's not who they had imagined their. commencement address would be given by. Arkansas Kansas writes I have this sick. feeling in my gut that they are going to.

say that Tyler Robinson contracted the. hantavirus before the trial begins. I think that nothing can happen to. Tyler Robinson. If like if that happens. it's going to be. terrible. For Erica it's going to be. terrible for Turning Point USA. Um. they better keep him the healthiest I. would say that would be my suggestion. but these people never do the thing. that's right. Um. so we'll see what happens but I I don't. think of that's likely. Uh Ali writes Would it be the best way.

to honor your husband's legacy be to. oppose the Iran war and support Thomas. Massie or to cozy up to his bullies and. ignore that he was changing at the end? You're doing that thing Ali where you're. the common sense thing. People don't. like that anymore. We're living in. make-believe. That's the a common sense. Yeah, you uh. you should you should hate the people. that were bullying your husband extra. You shouldn't be teaming up with them. But that's not how Erica lives. Not the amazing remarkable Erica Kirk, not the magnificent Dr. Kirk.

She's like something else. Jane writes love from the UK. Christ is. king and genocide is always wrong. Go. max. Still haven't changed my stance on. that. It's aging like fine wine. Christ. is king. Genocide is always wrong. It feels okay. Good black girl writes new merch, please. Life's tough, get a helmet. I. think we actually have that merch on the. website. Um I'm pretty sure. Let's see. Let's um. check that out on the website. We have.

some new merch. No, I we had it at some. point, but maybe we should get that back. up there. Anyway, speaking of which, here is some new merch that we do have. on the website. Um. we have some great stuff. We've got that. Candace unchained stuff unchained stuff. that's there which is We've got a lot of. great merch right now, actually. The he. David is absolutely crushing it in. merch. So, if you'd like to support us. and support independent work, um. you can just buy some merch. Easy way. Also, remind you guys that we are. starting the new book on the book club,

my book. I'm super excited. Go to. makehimasandwich.com if you'd like to. buy. You can also buy it on Amazon, wherever you buy books. Uh but this is my baby. So, if you have. considered yourself to be a feminist in. the past for all the reasons that I. considered myself to be a feminist when. I was in college, I challenge you to. read this book. Where my lefties at? My. lefties who watch the show, I challenge. you to read this book with us in the. book club. Uh sign up and join us for um. Friday. I love the book club and I keep. forgetting that we have to do. Could you. just remind me to message David that we.

need to do book club merch? Like I need. just anything, you know? Uh okay. Anyway, you guys, that is all. that I have to say today. I completely. over-answered that question, but I just. wanted to take you guys through it. I do. think we are going to do a website, so. you guys can read the documents. yourselves and read all the messages and. the timeline that I created of how. everything went down. I am still very. suspicious about Fort Huachuca. Um and I think you should be too. Let me. know how you feel. We will see you guys. tomorrow.