Tyler Robinson Pleads NOT Guilty. PLUS More Exclusive Footage From 9/10. | Ep 382

All right, you guys. Happy Wednesday. Well, the case is officially on. As we. predicted, as we expected, the state of. Utah has cleared its relatively low bar. on presenting enough probitative. evidence using their reliable hearsay. standard to bring Tyler Robinson to. trial. And judging by the almost. automatic neocon response, it's going to. be a long few years of Pentagon. propaganda. They will keep attempting.

this optical illusion to convince us not. to believe our own eyes or our own ears, expecting people not to understand. legalities. Yesterday on X, I don't think I've ever. done this, by the way, but I did. actually have to slap down my former. colleague Matt Walsh when he perpetuated. one of the more disingenuous narratives. out there because I just want to be. frank here. I I cannot. when it comes to this case. Okay, I. cannot I will not when it comes to this.

case pick any other legal case to serve. the people the slop regarding, but not. the Charlie Kirk one. Just come. honestly, engage in debate honestly. We're going to discuss all of that in a. moment. Also, as we have been insisting. to you guys for a long time now, Tyler. Robinson officially entered his plea of. not guilty to the charges, which by the. way, that runs counter to the. extraordinary claims made by the. Department of War propagandist that. Tyler's dad turned him in because Tyler. confessed to his crime. That is what.

they told you repeatedly. and that he came home and said that he. had done it. We repeatedly told you that. that was not true. There's no shred of. truth to that at all. Tyler told his. father that he was not guilty. His. father believes him. He uh was told that. he's going to be brought in to the. police station either way. And so he. decided to go in peaceibly despite. insisting on his innocence. That is. reality. But first and foremost, we have to get.

to more exclusive footage from September. 10th, my friends, because why not? It's. Wednesday, right? Let's have some fun. Welcome back to Candace. Okay, as mentioned, obviously, Judge. Graph came down yesterday with the. decision that the state cleared its bar.

to move the Tyler Robinson trial. forward. Not surprising for two reasons. Reason one, which we have been harping. on, is because reliable hearsay is the. standard. It was permissible at that. stage. Reason number two, because the. defense at the stage of dismissal is. only engaging in the state's arguments. They have to essentially look at what. the state is saying and then convince. the magistrate that there are laws on. the books that make this case so. defective that it shouldn't even go to. trial and they shouldn't even have to.

issue a response to the allegations. So. this meant that they only filed to have. three the defense only filed to have. three of the seven charges dismissed. based on the laws on the books. Now, I. am going to say that the only thing that. I was surprised by was the fact that. Judge Graph did not drop charge number. six. I actually was astonished by that. That is positively wild to me. Now, I. explained this to you guys yesterday. that uh the sixth charge was witness.

tampering wherein the state argued that. him texting Tyler Robinson texting Lance. effectively don't speak to the police um. until you get in touch with the lawyer, which is literally your constitutional. right, right? With the Miranda rights, you you have you don't have to answer. any questions. You have a right to have. a lawyer. somehow that could amount to. witness tampering. That's insane. And. you could sense that Judge Graph when he. handed down that decision knew that it.

was insane because he sort of fumbled. over his reason as to why he did not. dismiss that charge as a constitutional. right. You have a right to remain. silent. He's also uh kind of saying that. the reason was because of count five, a. to a totally separate charge. He's like, well, there's also this charge number. five, so I'm going to allow charge. number six on the basis of charge number. five. Okay, so as a reminder, uh, charge. five is also witness tampering, but it's.

pertaining strictly to the message. wherein Tyler Robinson allegedly says, "Delete this exchange." So they're. saying that's tampering with Lance Twigs. as a witness. two different charges. You're going to hear Judge Graph try to. basically he conceded that count six is. it's actually constitutional to tell. somebody to stay quiet and to um seek. legal representation, but he's going to. allow it anyway because of count five. Take a listen. The evidence shows that on September.

11th, 2025, defendant sent a text. message to Lance Twigs stating, "If any. police ask you questions, ask for a. lawyer and stay silent.". Defendant argues that count six must be. stricken as a matter of law. He contends. that this message was merely advising a. loved one. to exercise constitutional rights to. remain silent and seek counsel which. cannot standing alone constitute a.

criminal offense. Defendant therefore argues that the. record does not support the required. obstructive intent. The court considers. this a meaningful distinction because. the words ask for a lawyer and stay. silent viewed in isolation describe a. lawful advice concerning constitutional. rights and do not themselves establish. criminal intent. Standing alone advising. another person to request counsel or. remain sil silent is lawful and does not.

establish witness tampering. The state. relies, however, on the context of the. communication, including defendants's. earlier alle alleged instruction to. delete this exchange. Viewed together in. the light most favorable to the state, those communications permit a reasonable. inference, the defendant intended to. cause Twigs to withhold information from. investigators. The court does not determine at this. stage whether that inference is.

ultimately more persuasive than. defendants's lawful advice explanation. and it does not treat the exercise of. legal rights or advice concerning those. rights as criminal conduct standing. alone. Although defendants's lawful. advice interpretation remains a. reasonable competing interpretation, the. surrounding communications permit the. state's proposed inferences as well. Because the court may not choose between. reasonable competing inferences at this. preliminary stage, probable cause.

supports count six. Count six is bound. over for trial. That is so wild to me that he's. basically acknowledging that count six, yeah, this is constitutional by itself, but I'm looking at count five and I'm. not going to make a decision here. I'm. basically going to roll that into count. five. Well, that's a that's a separate. that's a totally separate charge. How. are you not going to drop count six and. basically say, I'm only going to allow. the the fifth charge to stand. Now, I.

get that people want to pretend that. this is some team sport where you either. root for your team to win. Uh, yeah, Tyler Robinson, hang him. We want him to. die. It's like one side, which is. totally crazy, guilty before proven. innocence, I guess. But you really have. to think about the unconstitutional. precedent that is being set here, right? That should alarm you. That to me is. unacceptable that any judge would not. just immediately flat out dismiss that. charge on its face. I found that to be. the only thing that was surprising and.

alarming. Anyway, the bigger news here. is that Tyler Robinson has finally. entered his plea and it is not exactly. what the orbit of Pentagon influencers. have been telling you. Take a listen. >> Does Mr. Robinson wish to enter into. please today? >> Yes, your honor. We'll proceed with the. arraignment. >> All right. And uh what please does he wish to enter. into the record? And at this point, we. would wave reading of the indictment. Um,

I'm sorry, wave reading of the. information and um, interpleas of not. guilty on Mr. Robinson's behalf to all. counts. >> Not guilty on all counts. Okay. Um, how. could that be? Like I said, you were. told by so many Pentagon influencers at. different time that Tyler Robinson was. guilty. I mean, there was even the. story. They just magically dropped it. That his t his father was just so brave. and took him to the police station. because he knew his son was guilty. We. told you that is not true. Bill Aman was.

going to give him a million dollars. They just sort of dropped that narrative. entirely because there was no truth and. no substance to what they were saying. It's like a foundational lie. They then. told us that, you know, Tyler Robinson. confessed it. He confessed it to Mike. Mitchell. He confessed it to his parents. when he got to his house. At other. points, you were told that his like his. parents admitted this in written. statements in support of their son's. prosecution. I've been telling you none. of that is true. That Tyler immediately. denied his involvement and that far from.

turning his son in, his father believes. that his son is innocent. Yes, he went. with his son to the police station. after they were told they had no other. choice. You you can do this the nice way. or we can do this the way where SWAT is. banging down your door and you are. putting your life at risk. Despite this, the foundational lie remained and. they're now just trying to pivot and be. like, "Oh no, we only ever said that he. confessed to Lance." That is not true. That is so not true that it relies on.

all of us developing Blake Nef's amnesia. to pretend that it's true. Again, it was. a major piece of the quote unquote. evidence is overwhelming folklore. Are. they going to apologize for lying? No. They're just going to pretend that they. never lied and move on to the next lie. And that's how it's going to go until, which will happen, they are crushed. beneath the weight of all of those micro. lies. Remember, lies have an expiration. date. The truth does not. So, I've just. been holding the line on that, telling. you he's going to put in a plea of not. guilty, and his parents don't think he's.

guilty, and his grandparents don't think. he's guilty, and these people are lying, and I've not moved one inch on that, nor. do I need to. The lies are going to. expire. They have an expiration date. Now, speaking of truth, there is. something that has been bothering me for. a while, and I need you guys to really. lock in here on the details because you. need to commit to memory the map of cars. on September 10th at UVU. Okay. There. are a total of five relevant vehicles. that I want to draw your attention to.

Don't worry, of course, we have a. diagram and I'm going to walk you. through them and tell you I I guess just. explain to you why I have some questions. about how things went down so smoothly. Okay, let's pull up a diagram. Okay, these are the cars. You will recall. obviously we used AI here um to. demonstrate to you what the vehicles are. here that Turning Point that are ail. affiliated with Turning Point USA. Let's. start with the left side there. On the. left hand side, you see uh two security. vehicles. The one that's in front, the. first one is a black Jeep Wagon. We'll.

just call that security vehicle number. one. Alex Faria is in this vehicle. That's one of the security members, plus. other members on the Charlie's security. team. Um, also there's the guy in a blue. shirt who I can't identify. So, I do. want to pause here and just bring up a. picture of the security team. Um, okay, this is the security team. I'll just let. this hang here for a minute. Um, furthest to the right, the shortest one. in the front in the bright blue shirt,

short sleeve shirt. I can't identify. that guy. Somebody may have that. So, I'm just putting it out there so. somebody can just toss that to me on X. or send us a email to tips@canisens.com. point. I just wanted to do a little. sidebar there that I'm not sure who that. is. Also, the guy in the hat there with. the beard, it looks like we're missing. as well in the middle. Um, yeah, I just. would like to complete this chart so I. can continue to track people on that day. and reach out to people and ask them. maybe they could help fill in some. holes. Uh, anyway, going back to back.

back to the vehicle diagram. Okay, behind that Jeep Wagon ear, you have a. Lincoln Navigator. The driver of that. Lincoln Navigator is Justin Davis. Okay, Justin, this is extremely important. Dan. Flood's in that vehicle. Brian Harpole. is in that vehicle. And Justin Davis is. a very relevant person for you to know. because he's going to eventually be the. driver that takes Charlie to the. hospital. So, we can show you a picture. Uh I believe that you have a really. clear one of Justin Davis. He's wearing. uh you know, I believe it's actually a.

navy blue shirt, but it might be black. uh folded down. And like I said, this is. extremely relevant. What I'm trying to. stress to you guys is that both of these. security vehicles are parked one in. front of the other. We know based on. their testimonies that they these. vehicles arrived between 9:00 and 9:30. a.m. Let's go back to the Yeah. to the. diagram. So, the core security team was. actually not with Charlie Kirk in Salt. Lake City. They arrived independent of. Charlie Kirk. Uh, and they had been.

there since 9 9:30 a.m. in the morning. while Charlie was doing that. restauranttology event out in Salt Lake. City. Okay. Now, to the right of them, we have backtoback Yukon Denali's. You. of course know that that one in the. front is going to be the one that. Charlie Kirk shows up in and that. Charlie Kirk is going to depart in um. after he is hit with an explosive. And. we know that he shows up with Mikey. McCoy in that vehicle. And we also know.

that the person driving it, we only have. a first name for this guy, but his name. is Christopher. Okay, we're going to. talk more about this Chris guy in a. second. Um, and then we have behind that. vehicle, the mysterious, and I'm saying. mysterious because Blake Nef made it. mysterious by pretending he didn't know. what he did, who he was with. This is. the vehicle that just Danny McCoy is. driving. And he has not, sorry, Danny.

Phillip, Danny Phillip is driving. And. he has Danny Phil does not have Mikey. McCoy sitting shotgun. It's very. strange. I mean um Blake Nef sitting. shotgun. Blake Nef is actually sitting. in the back seat. So when they pull up, you have Danny Phillip driving and you. have Blake Nef in the back seat. And. Blake is very weird about discussing. their arrival, who he was with, and also. when they were in Salt Lake City with. Charlie. He doesn't remember what they.

did. Okay, so that vehicle has already. been on my mind as like what's going on. here? Why is he being weird and shady. about details that are so simple? I. would just say, "Yeah, I showed up with. Danny Phillip, got out of the car. He. was driving me like an Uber driver. Who. knows why?" And then lastly, you have on. the far right there the Hyundai. Palisade. I'm not sure who actually. drove this, but I do know based on. footage we've examined it that it's a. TPUSA vehicle and that kind of stays. parked on the far right side. Now, why. is this relevant? One of what am I. trying to demonstrate with you with this.

diagram is I want you to think about the. car keys. Okay? It's important just to. think about who had keys to every. vehicle, right? Because in an emergency. situation, you would expect that there's. going to be some sort of a scramble. If suddenly Justin Davis, who is driving. the car on the left hand side, now has. to drive Christopher's vehicle to the. hospital. At the very least, if that's.

the circumstance and they decide this is. the vehicle that we want to take and. we're going to take this in a hurry cuz. they get Charlie in that car within 45. seconds, right? He's going to have to. find Chris and get his keys. That's the. point that I'm making here because. surely the vehicle that is carrying. Charlie's personal belongings would be. locked. you are the security. Security. exists to secure. And they're going to. go, "Oh, who's going to who's this is. the one that's the closest to the front. Who's got the keys?". And what we know for a fact now is that. for some strange reason, and I'm I'm.

citing this as strange because we now. know for a fact that Charlie. communicated the night before that he. was fearful for his life, that he. thought they were going to kill him. something that his wife initially denied. and then had to concede. And then now. they're saying that Charlie even took it. a step further and said he wanted to. make sure his security p people knew. that they needed to be on him and no one. else. Well, Charlie's main security. person who he shows up with is this.

person, Christopher. Yet Christopher, for some odd reason, minutes before Charlie gets hit, he. decides to go upstairs. with Nate Walker. And he is upstairs. when the shot goes off. So Chris, the. security person who has the keys, who. locks the car, is upstairs when the explosive goes off. And by the time he comes back. downstairs, his car is gone. It is.

actually bonkers that he's upstairs. I'm. going to show you, by the way, that clip. which was captured. Actually, somebody. on TikTok, I think, sent it to Baron. Coleman and then Baron showed it to me. and he's like, "Why is Nate Walker. upstairs?" And I'm like, "Even stranger, why is the security. uh Charlie's main security guy out in. Salt Lake City who took Charlie to the. event upstairs with him? That's even. weirder. How did they how did they get. the keys from him?" So, I'm going to. show you that. And again, we can put. this T minus 5. We're now we're putting a little white.

thing on that. That's Chris in the. front. And you're going to see behind. him, that's Nate. We're just kind of. highlighting that. A little white. highlight on there so you can see who. we're talking about. And Chris is going. to make a right. And he is making a right to be clear. toward the Senson building. So he's upstairs and Nate is upstairs. when the explosive goes off. Again, this. is minutes before the explosives the. explosive goes off. What were they.

doing? Where were they? Why were they. headed toward the Sorenson building? At. this moment, nobody knows. Okay. But I'm. it's it's relevant. What could there be. to do toward the Sen Sorenson building. on a campus that you've never been to? When Charlie specifically expressed. that he thought he was going to be. killed and he wanted to make sure the. security knew that they were there to be. on him. a remarkable presence of. security. I've done all these events. I've never seen this much security. unless it was end of year Amfest, uh,

end of year SAS, like one of the big. events that they do. One campus event. that many security members. Yeah, Charlie had fear. That's clear. The relevant point again to draw your. attention back to is that Chris is not. near the car that he is driving. All the. more reason to lock it, right? Well, I'm. now going to show you some more. never-beforeseen footage from that day, so you can remark, as I have, how smooth. and convenient it all is. That keys were.

apparently either waiting in the car or. somehow given to Justin Davis before. this, I don't know. But I'm going to. show you this footage multiple times, and I'm going to highlight different. portions throughout it. First off, let's. highlight Justin Davis. Um, again, this. is not Justin Davis's car, but he. immediately sprints ahead to the vehicle. and opens the passenger side door. alongside Blake Heriff, who is also not. in this vehicle. Take a look at this.

That's him. just. instantly on top of that. Okay, amazing. Now, we're going to uh show you this. little company pow-wow, if you want to. call it that. The little a little. company meeting that takes place for a. couple of seconds. I'm going to draw. your attention to the amazing Mikey. McCoy, who we are told repeatedly was. definitely not on his phone and was just.

covering his ear for noise. Well, he's. going to keep on covering his ear for. noise. But, remarkably, if you look at. him and Danny Phillip, despite not being. with each other, they were on opposite. sides of Charlie. Both of them are going. to kind of run and then meet each other. in front of Charlie's vehicle and duck. down for a little meet and greet with. Justin Davis. Like a perfect little dip. in meet. as if they all knew to go there. But. this is just I guess luck. Take a look.

There's Mikey highlighted there, not on. his phone. There's Danny running behind him. We've got Justin and right in front. there. They're meeting. There they are. And off Danny. and Mikey go. Mikey still has that up to. the whole route. You can see that. Mikey's just got that up to his ear. And.

lucky for Justin, keys are in there and. they're ready to go. They're all ready. to go. None of these people showed up in. this vehicle. Chris is upstairs. It's all good. And what luck what falls out of that. vehicle at the end there. I think that that's Chris's bag. The. driver of the vehicle. What luck? His. backpack gets tossed out of the trunk.

So, that's kind of amazing. Let's watch. that again. Let's watch that again. Let's watch all these people. Let's rewatch the entire clip from the. beginning. We're going to see Mikey. again. Blake is ahead of the crowd there. Mikey still seems to be walking pretty. calmly, but he's just, I guess, covering. his ears. The little dip in me up there. The three of them. Danny,

Phillip, and Mikey keep running. They just knew that that none of of. Rick, Frank, none of these people came. in this car. Nobody's going, "Hey, where's Chris? We need the keys." It's. just open and ready for them. And then a bag gets tossed out there. And I think I think that's Chris's bag. So, what luck that they didn't even have.

to deal and I'm going to say allegedly. here with going, "We were lucky that. your car was conveniently opened. It was. not secured at all. The keys were. waiting for us. We all jumped into this. car that we didn't come into. We drove. off and then what luck. that your bag, Chris, you don't have to. worry about trying to find out how to. get to the hospital, but Chris, your bag. is is on the ground for you.". I I I think again I will say not 100%.

certain that it's his bag, but given the. fact that Mikey McCoy showed up with a. bag and has it on his back and just. process of elimination here, I think. that's going to be the security person's. bag. But again, this is all just luck. that Danny and Mikey fortunately met. For some reason, Blake is really weird. about mentioning Danny as a part of the. story. When he tells the story and he. says, which you're going to hear in a. little bit, everything that happened, he. just mysteriously keeps leaving Danny. Phillip out of everything. He always. develops Danny Phillip amnesia in.

particular. Every time he's just like, well, no, this is what happened. Danny. was but Danny's there. Danny's running. with Mikey. Blake is already up ahead. Did he forget that? Maybe he did. We. know how how Blake is. He doesn't. remember what they were doing in Salt. Lake City. He didn't remember that how. they had arrived. He didn't remember. what hotel he had stayed in. Convenient. amnesia. But like I said, little pow-wow happens. So many things could have gone wrong. I.

would expect some scramble to find the. keys, but gratefully there was none. It. went on like a choreographed dance. A. vehicle, which we know was locked upon. arrival, was magically unlocked. with presumably the keys inside of it. And I also want to remember I want to. remind you guys that early on I told you. that I had a solid source that was. involved in the planning of this event. Very solid source um who said that one.

of the only demands that were made from. security far from them saying that they. were worried about rooftops or securing. the area. One of the only demands that. was made from security was they wanted. to make sure that Charlie's vehicle had. a clean exit. And I would like to just. comment on the absurdity of the security. team blocking themselves in. Again, that just demonstrates incompetence. You're the security. You should not be. blocked in. Your vehicle should be able.

to get out just as easily as Charlie's. vehicle can get out. But you blocked. yourself in. Why? You clearly had the ability to not do. that given the fact that we had that. silver car on the right hand side. It. could have flipped with you. You could. have had that one blocked in. Why would. you block your own vehicles in? Doesn't make sense to me. Also, going back to that vehicle. diagram, I want to draw your attention. to the positioning of Danny Phillip and. Blake Nef's car there. Um, the Denali on.

the right hand side closest to the. screen. It is a wonder to me because I learned. from some sources with direct knowledge. that they did not take these cars to the. hospital. That's actually really odd for me to. reflect on cuz I remember Blake sort of. recounting the story and telling us that. Mikey became a general, directing a. battle so that he could figure out how. everyone was getting to the hospital.

among other things. You have three. security vehicles that are left. All of. them actually are are left behind. You have the keys. Did you offer to say, "Hey, why don't we just drive to the. hospital?" When did they go to the. hospital? Would it be weird if they didn't. immediately go to the hospital? What. else would they be doing there? The job. of these individuals is to be with. Charlie. And if you're telling me that. none of them called 911,

you're telling me in addition that they. didn't race to be by Charlie's side. Why wouldn't they do that? Wouldn't that. just if you're just comprehending your. own actions and you're the his chief of. staff and you are being tasked with. providing updates to his wife as we were. told, wouldn't you get to the hospital as fast. as possible. in a car that you have available? Danny. Phillips, Blake Nef, big empty SUV. We know that.

it's going to be Nate Walker and Blake. and Danny Phillip and Mikey McCoy that. arrived to the hospital. That's four of. them. Wouldn't it make sense for them to. just take the SUV that they had rented? For what reason? For what reason would. they not take that SUV to the hospital? And in case you want to be have your. memory joged of what Blake's testimony. is in that day, because now I have a lot. of questions about it. And when I. rewatch it, it's really stupid. Actually, you're going to hear him tell. you that the reason he walked away, they.

walked away from Charlie and somehow. he's able to know exactly what Mikey was. thinking, which is incredible, was. because they heard the shot. Um, and. they thought that there could be more. shots, that there could be more. shooters. But then 20 seconds later, he. says, "Then we realized the everything. was fine and actually there were no more. shooters at all." Um, and we we just. figured that someone must have been. detained or something. 20 seconds. He.

goes from this is why we abandoned. Charlie to this is why we then 20. seconds later knew everything was fine. Here's Blake's testimony. >> The shooting occurs. I am next to Mikey. Both of us hear a loud crack. We both. turn. We both see Charlie who has been. shot. Both of us, I think at about the. same time, realize that that means there. is a shooter who is on the scene. Uh, and you know, you just hear the crack. So, you don't know. Did it come from far. away? Did it come from close? Is there a. mass shooter unfolding right now?

>> Correct. >> So, I and him both had the reaction of. let's get out of here before we were. both shot. That is not us abandoning. Charlie. Charlie had a security team. They all leapt immediately into action. and they got Charlie out of there, which. is what their job was to do. My job was. not to get in the way and screw this up. because like I had to be a hero. >> That was not my job. I remember even. running past both of us going past the, you know, the SUV that we came in on and. me thinking, should I get in that car.

and then thinking, no, that's a really. stupid thing. You didn't ride with. Mikey. >> And then I kept going. >> So I was not with Mikey immed or I don't. remember being with him. I think I was. ahead of him as we left. >> And then we get out and I run for must. have can't have been more than 15 or 20. seconds. And then I realize there hasn't. been another shot. So, the shooter has. likely been detained or stopped or. something. Not in immediate danger. I. pause. I look around me and I see Mikey. and I see Mikey there. And I'll never. truthfully, I will never forget what I. saw because I've seen Mikey every day.

for the past two years. >> Uh I know his personality very well. He's a very bubbly guy. He's a very. happy guy almost all of the time. And. I'll never forget what I saw because. it was clear in the moment that he was. profoundly freaked out. But what I'll. always remember is the way his his lip. was quivering, which I'd never seen. before. And you you very rarely see from. someone that he was freaking out. And. then I think he literally said to me, I. I might be imagining this, but I think. what he literally said was.

>> just he was looking around. >> I I need to call Erica. And he then he. takes his phone and he begins calling. Erica. And I don't want to disclose how. that call unfolded, but he did that. this, you know, your mind extends all of. this, but that is happening within. >> a minute of all of this occurring. I. remember he calls Erica. >> I around the same time. I pull out my. phone and I call my mom just to say, "Mom, there's been a shooting. You're. going to see it on the news. I'm okay.

You know, pray for me. I've got to go.". And I remember that call. And around the. time I I put that phone away and then he. immediately calls his dad. He calls. Robin McCoy and he says, "Dad, someone's. shot Charlie. You need to call all of. your pastor friends. Charlie was hit. We. need everyone to pray right now." And. that's what he told him. And I guess it. just it's very disgusting for me as. someone who witnessed this who saw Mikey. hugely distressed and then step up in. the moment because after that was call.

that call was over. >> I saw Mikey like get total mastery of. himself that he realized he had to step. up in this situation [clears throat]. >> and he from that point he was like he. was like a general directing a battle. where he was you know grabbing people. and saying okay we need to get to the. hospital and we need to do these things. and you guys need to Wait here. I need. to get in here to get information so. that I can get it to get it to Erica. And. >> when we when we learned he was dead, it. was he came out and he told us and then.

he says and he says, "Now, none of you. can say anything that you've heard. because it is Erica is not going to hear. about this from anyone except me.". >> Yep. Watching that on rewind, there's a. lot that's just not making a lot of. sense to me. And again, if Mikey was. supposed to be the point person and he. was the only person to speak with Erica, you would think that Mikey would rush to. get to the hospital and that you might. suggest to him that you would you have. this big SUV that you rented, but maybe. you had amnesia about it. Do you don't. remember that none of these SUVs were.

taken to the hospital. You did not go to. the hospital immediately. And my. question is why not? Why not? What is there to do at UVU, this campus. that none of you belong at, presumably. have never been at? What What was Nate. Walker doing upstairs with the security. a couple of minutes before the explosive. goes off? I think we deserve to know the. answer to that and why are you so fuzzy.

on details when it comes to Danny. Phillip? These are my questions for. Blake Nef, which he will not answer. He's just going to rant about things and. keep being community noted on X about. everything. And it's his general. posture. It's like Blake Nef. needs Tyler Robinson to be guilty. Not. wants, but needs Tyler Robinson to be. guilty. So much so that he will just. tell the most flagrant lies on X. He.

doesn't care. He's out of control. nervous about this case. He doesn't have. the confidence of truth on his side. He. doesn't feel to me in his manic tweets. that he feels like he's got this one. covered. That's not that's not how his tweets are. registering to the public and his. mannerisms are registering to the public. and he is increasingly being exposed as. a liar and a desperate one at that. A.

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No. That said, there is currently a. fleet of men on X who have been making. the argument that women need to get off. of TikTok, right? They cite there's this. game of citing finding extreme examples. of course of not the average woman uh. doing and saying absurd things like. you've seen some of these Tik Toks in. support of Lindsey Clancy this has. become very fashionable fashionable by. the way like avoiding nuance finding an. extreme example extreme example and then.

being like this proves my point that all. women are insane okay well I'd like to. make the counterargument that the. internet is currently turning a lot of. men into full-time nagging women. They're just online lodging complaints. 24/7 a day. Uh 24/7 about issues that. they don't even necessarily care about. They don't even necessarily know about. They're just here to complain, complain, complain. And this is now really. bothering me about the podcast space. Like, not everybody needs to have a. podcast. Least of all men who just want.

to log on and complain every day. Did. you hear what Tucker said? Did you hear. what Candace said? Did you hear what. Tucker and Candace said? Did you like we. just don't need it? And I will admit, I. will concede the podcast space was. carved out by men. It was truly men were. up top of their game. They were talking. about issues that were manly though, right? It got interesting. They were. talking about wrestling. They were. talking about topics. Uh they were. talking about how men can get healthy. I.

mean, the Joe Rogan, the Shawn Ryan, they're talking about military. experiences. It's now become a nagfest. Who who can nag the loudest? I can't. stand anymore. Okay. And on the when it. comes to the Charlie Kirk case, I am. easily agitated. We've spent and I say. we, I mean me and my team have spent an. insane amount of time studying this. case. I do not believe that there is any. person that would be able to sit across. from me and meaningfully debate me on.

this case uh because I did my homework. on it. I'm not fearful of having that. debate. I I welcome that debate, especially if they're going to pay. $100,000 an hour to have that debate. We. have spent so much time researching, collecting evidence, understanding the. arguments uh from both sides, from the. prosecution, from the defense, because. it doesn't pay to be wrong. So, if I'm. just sitting here making these. arguments, and in the long run, like I. said at the top of the show, um lies. have an expiration date. Yesterday, I see a bunch of people all.

tweeting the same thing, that Tyler. Robinson's lawyer is arguing that. political assassinations are okay. So, that right off the bat annoys me because. it's just it's the tone of drama. It's. it's the lack of common sense. And when. it's coming from someone who I know has. common sense, it annoys me more. And I'm. just going to show you, and this is one. of many examples, Matt Walsh's tweet. that annoyed me. He says, "We have a. lawyer justifying political. assassination in one court case and.

another lawyer justifying the mass. murder of children in another very dark. times in America." That first sentence. I'd like to address. I've not been. following the Lindsy Clancy case. I made. that clear from the very beginning. We. have a lawyer justifying political. assassination in one court case and he. shares this video which was clearly sent. out for a bunch of people to share and. to try to delude the public into. believing that that is what was. happening. that a lawyer would just be. up there being like, "Yo, your honor, political assassinations are.

fine. What is wrong with you? It's to. totally cool and acceptable. Everybody's. doing it." Like, on its face. It's so. stupid. But that's that's the reality is. they think the public is stupid, right? Viva Frey echoes this. He sent a tweet. Obviously, I blocked him. He's just. proven to be such a fraud. I I can't. even deal with it. and he's from Canada. So, I'm just like I I I have do not have. to engage in this whatsoever. Um, we. also have our our resident Pentagon. member consultant Graham Allen who.

tweeted, "Are you kidding me? Are you. kidding me? Tyler Robbins defense. attorney attacked Charlie Kirk in court. This man is a lunatic." Quote, "Mr. Kirk. spoke hatefully of certain groups of. people." Then we had at the same time uh. Blake Nef and Brandon Tatum sent out an. identical tweet. I'm sorry, not at the. same time, but it was an identical. tweet. Outrageous moment in court as. defense attorney Richard Novc starts. trashing Charlie, declaring that it is.

true Charlie spoke hatefully about. people who were not heterosexual or had. sex outside of marriage. Okay, you get. the point here. Everyone is and I'm not. going to read into the reasons. Obviously, I've been very clear the fact. that I have a relationship with Brandon. Tatum. I'm not going to say and try to. argue that they're all doing this. disingenuously. Like maybe they saw the. clip and thought that that's what he was. doing and so they shared it. I would. argue that Matt Walsh did not think that. when he sent it because I know him and I. feel like the common sense would have.

come on board that someone's just not. out here saying political assassinations. are hip and he he framed it that way uh. exclusively. But what they're all referring to is. this clip. And I'm going to. contextualize it for you because it's. important for you to sort of brace. yourself on what is coming up next as we. get into this case. We are going to keep. seeing this mandate go out where things. are going to be taken out of context and. it's supposed to outrage you when in. reality it is not a reflection of what's. truly going on. So this is Tyler.

Robinson's lawyer, Richard Novak. I'm. going to let you listen to his words and. then I'm going to properly contextualize. them. It is. true that Mr. Kirk spoke hatefully. of certain groups of people. He spoke hatefully. of people who don't have traditional. normcon conforming gender identities. He. spoke hatefully of people who are not.

strictly heterosexual. He spoke. hatefully of people who have sexual. relationships out of marriage. And yes, it is true that the evidence from Mr. Twigs is that. um he identified in a non-gender. conforming way to his friends and that. he was in a romantic relationship with. Mr. Robinson. But that doesn't mean that. those. personal choices by Mr. Twigs and by Mr.

Robinson equate with. the hate. that at least Mr. Robinson says he had. toward Mr. Kirk. So, we don't know what that is. We don't know. There's a gap between. what it is that Mr. uh Kirk said and. stood for. The the phrase in the statute. is political expression and what it is. that Mr. Robinson felt about him.

And it's a significant gap because what. it allows the state to do is to make it. up. Oh, it must be about this. relationship. It must be. It can't be. about foreign policy. It can't be about. immigration. It can't be about taxation. or economics. It must be about this. because look at these two young people. and the way they live. And that's an. inference without evidence. Okay. So, like I said, the majority of.

people don't understand what's happening. in the courtroom because why should you. understand it? You shouldn't be going. through lawsuits. You shouldn't be going. through murder cases every day of your. life where some of this just becomes. like par for the course as it has in my. life because I just say the truth and. say what I mean on my podcast and people. come after me for it. Okay. So what he. is doing here and what I've explained to. you and you totally obviously are. capable of understanding what's. happening in the courtroom once someone. does explain it to you is the job of the.

defense in this at this phase when you. talk about a probable cause hearing is. not to make any arguments. They're not. talking about their client's guilt or. whether their client sent the text. message. That is for the actual trial. They are engaging in the state's. arguments because the state is saying. here is what we say is enough to move. forward and you are then going and. saying and I know I'm going to I'm going. to keep repeating this. You are then. going as the defense and you are saying. hey state we should not even have to. waste our time uh having to respond to.

this filing because look at the law on. the books. Just like I gave you that. example of of charge six. Look at the. law on the books. That's constitutional. Even if we accepted that all of this was. true and he sent this text, we're not. accepting it. But even if we engaged in. your arguments and accepted that Tyler. Robinson sent a message to his lover, Lance and said, "Don't speak to anybody. and lawyer up," that would be. constitutional. So, just throw it out. We're not even going to tell you whether. or not he sent the message. That's how.

this works. Okay? So, the lawyer in this. case case is doing just that. And what. annoys me about this is they've gone. over this ad nauseium. So you should. hear his language and instantly know as. I do what he's referring to. The lawyer. is citing the states argument. What they. are arguing is against the states. They. are asking for sentencing enhancements. So he they want Tyler Robinson's. sentence to be enhanced. The state. argued for that all throughout their.

filings because if the prosecution can. demonstrate that Charlie was targeted. for political or religious beliefs, they. can seek longer sentences under the law. sentence enhancements. So what they are. arguing is he was targeted for his. political statements and his religious. beliefs. And so what the prosecutors did. was they argued they argued that they. could meet that standard on the basis of. the text message. some hate just can't. be negotiated. That was one of the.

alleged Tyler Robinson communications, right? And then they then extrapolated. from that that he must have been. referring to Charlie Kirk's statements. that Charlie Kirk he assumed had made. hateful statements against the LGBTQ. community. Um, which Charlie made those. statements because he's a Christian man. He's a heterocchristian man who believes. that marriage is between a man and a. woman. He's also a political leader. So. that shows that he was targeted for his. political beliefs uh against gay.

marriage. Uh the prosecution is the one. that is arguing that Charlie's. statements were perceived as hateful to. Tyler Robinson, who they are arguing is. a member of the LGBTQ community. Again, this these are the prosecution's. arguments. So Tyler's lawyer here is. saying even if we accepted your argument. that Charlie did make hateful statements. that were deemed hateful to the LGBTQ. community, you have still failed to demonstrate.

that the message which you claim was. sent by Tyler Robinson is in reference. to those statements. In fact, you. haven't even spelled out which. statements from Charlie are even. hateful. You didn't list any statements. in your filings that Charlie said that. we could then infer. This inference is. out of control. You're inferring upon an. inference, which is not acceptable by. hearsay standards. You can't infer upon. an inference. So, it's supposed to be. reliable hearsay. And he's saying this. is not reliable hearsay. And you can. read that if you want me to do your.

homework, conserving. that was dropped on August 11th, among. many other you could. It was also stated. in the in the preliminary hearing when. they talked about pastor Angelart's. statement which was written in order to. get receive that enhancement on page 32. You can literally copy my homework. I I. I just don't it's so frustrating that. people don't do their research. We can. pull this up on page 32 and this was. pertaining to the filing on political.

motivation. If you look at that fourth paragraph. down, it says, "Ironically, it is the. state that argues that because Mr. Robinson and Mr. Twigs are two men who. love each other and or it speculates. because Mr. Twigs and not Mr. Robinson. was at least intermittently identifying. as a female to his close friends. Again, they're accepting their the state's. arguments that Lance Twigs is trans, that uh that they are in this loving. relationship." So they're saying even if. okay intermittently identifying as.

female to his close friends, it is Mr. Kirk's views on these topics which are. the quote unquote hatred that Mr. Robinson was referring to. And then they. go on to say these circumstances are not. sufficient to establish even by probable. cause which if any political expression. of Mr. Kirk motivated Mr. Robinson to. select Mr. Kirk for an act of violence. There's no evidence of specific. political expressions of Mr. Kirk which. if any Mr. Robinson may have been aware. of or focused on. So, it's the exact.

opposite of what they are telling you. It's the state's arguments, not his. arguments. And he's saying they fall. flat of the probable cause Utah 1102. rule hearsay standard because they're. inferring upon an inference upon an. inference which is not actually allowed. This again, like I'm saying, the reason. why I'm harping on this and I wanted to. explain my frustration with this is. because I deeply care about this case. and I've we've dedicated so many hours. to reading the filings, re-watching the.

hearings. And so when people just come. and they do the thing where well I cover. news topics every day and so I'm just an. opinionator. I actually am not reading. through any filings giving I'm broadly. understanding what's going on and then. I'm going to issue in an opinion that. the future is dark for America. like. don't even wake up because now we have. lawyers that are just up there saying, "Yeah, uh, political assassinations are. cool." It's deeply offensive to me and. it's frustrating for me because the. majority of these people like Matt Walsh.

know Charlie. They were friendly with. Charlie. Charlie liked them. And you can. just stay silent. You can say, "I don't. know enough about this. I don't have the. time to read through the case. I want to. focus on every big case that's going on. at the same time. Everyone is begging me. to get into the Lindsy Clancy case. I. won't because it would take my time away. from the Charlie Kirk case. And there it. require it becomes a full-time job. And. yet we have moved toward this ADHD. culture where actually nobody wants to. do anything focused. They want to wave. something shiny and try to distract you.

and then issue these really strong. statements and pretend to be horrified. and outraged and you know all of all of. the the verbiage overwhelmed and then. think that's enough. And that frustrates. me. It's got to stop. It has to stop. The over emotional uh just trying to. sell to people something that is on its. face not true about something that. deeply matters like a Charlie Kirk. assassination. I open I I I by the way I welcome the.

opportunity. I am completely open to. sitting down with somebody who. meaningfully has studied this case. I. was hoping to have an opportunity to do. that with Andrew Wilson. Obviously he. just is another fed slopper. got a call. from Turning Point USA, changed all of. his opinions and didn't know what was. going on in the case at all. But if. someone meaningfully wanted to engage in. a discussion, it doesn't even need to be. a debate and ask questions and go. through this and say and admit, you. know, ignorance when they have it, that. would be good for the public to see, okay? But we have to stop the conservo.

culture of pretending to be outraged and. upset and just citing out of context. clips to make broad points about. humanity. It's I'm annoyed with it. It. needs to end. If it doesn't want to end. altogether, it at least needs to end. regarding the Charlie Kirk case because. I'm going to keep calling it out at. least until I have this baby and then. maybe I'll be sweet and I'll apologize. for everything that I said. Anyway, we'll be right back after a break. All. right, you guys. This episode is brought. to you by Zipix nicotine infused.

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Hibbs. That spanking that Pastor Hibs. definitely got from Frank Turk when. those cameras went off. I know the look. I look, my mom gave me the look. I know. exactly. Oof. Oof. Yikes. I made cake. Wrote Reverend Jack Hibbs. Quote, Mikey called me right away and. said, "There's so much blood. How the. heck would Mikey know how much blood. there was? He turned in a split second. and walked off. He saw nothing of the. sort." You know, we actually went back. because many people were commenting this.

and we tried to see if that testimony. came from Mikey and Mikey did a lot of. press thereafter. He never described. seeing a lot of blood. So that came from. his father, that came from Jack Hibbs, that came from I think Frank Turk, it. came from the pastor orbit. It never. came from Mikey. Mikey never made that. claim that he saw tons of blood. So we. kind of abstained from uh assuming that. these people weren't making it up for. him because you are correct when you say. a split second. It is literally a split.

second that Mikey turns around. I think. it's like 0 75 of a second. and he just. and he turns right around and that is. something that alarmed people and yes he. stays ahead of Charlie so he could not. have possibly have seen that the. security detail had it covered um that. which calls into question Blake's you. bizarre we we were so scared we walked. away from Charlie 20 seconds later we. just assumed someone had been detained. what. what you 20 seconds I don't know I I I.

believe nothing that Blake Nef ever says. because he lies so much about me he lies. so much about who Charlie was. Why would. we accept anything Blake says when he is. easily the most community noted uh. employee of the Charlie Kirk show? It's. he's always being communicated. Like the. Turning Point USA affiliates, that whole. orbit, nobody has been clocked faster as. a liar online than Blake Nef. [snorts]. Nick writes, quote, he's quoting Charlie. Kirk here. When I see a story and it. doesn't click, our guts are usually.

right. Yes, that is the perspective that. Charlie held that you should trust your. gut and uh he certainly would not be. mocking people uh describing their. intuition, how they feel about certain. people, especially when we've already. proven so many times in the story that. our intuition has been correct about. various characters in the Shady Bunch. Comments from today's episode. Zamut. writes, "No one for a moment should. underestimate Candace Owens's resolve to. return to the foxhole to protect her. little brother's memory." Yeah, I would.

not underestimate it whatsoever. Uh, this, like I said, something woke up in. me and I realize how deeply this matters. and I do believe that Charlie's dream, um, which they love mocking dreams, but. Charlie correctly predicted his death. and that it would be associated with. Turning Point USA. The moment he signed. the dotted line, he said he foresaw his. death. Um, that he would be young. I I. 100% also believe in what he said that. it would be tied to a wider awakening.

because we've already seen that. Seven. Sheets writes, "The liars lies will. expose them. I still grieve for Charlie. Yet they want to put a man to death, no. questions asked." Yes, that is. monstrous. Monstrous to be calling for. someone to be put to death before there. has even been a trial with nonharsay. evidence. It's like it's so crazy to me. She continues, "Beware. That is not what. a god-fearing Charlie would have wanted. You are correct. You fight so bravely in. his honor and that's why this isn't. going away in faith and in prayer. It's.

not going away. It's only getting. bigger. Charlie is trending every single. day and it is not what they wanted. Very. scary. Mary writes, "You forgot to. mention that along with fight or flight, there is also freeze or film. Sometimes. the lizard brain just has to take over. and you need to get your iPhone." Well, the freeze and film that that'll be. taught to future generations. like it. was fight and flight or film which is. what some people do and they for some. reason all of them felt very safe and. felt that the coast was clear to be able. to do various things where I can't. imagine that I would have stopped.

running if my choice was going to be. flight I certainly wouldn't have felt. vibes or intuition that someone was. detained 20 seconds later I just that's. very odd to me to make that assumption. writes I still can't believe that you. saw your cousin at the airport ha The. universe works in strange ways. I love. this for you though. It made me happy. Keep your truth or don't stop. And never. stop for Charlie. Sending all of my love. and everyone else is from Houston. Christ is king indeed. And like I said, it did feel like um just God sending a.

sign to keep going. And it's been a. tough year, but it is I like I said, we. are all in a different circumstance now. than we were one year ago coming up on. this anniversary. And I was reminded. that sometimes when you are at your. lowest, people show up for you. And when. you don't even know people at their. lowest, you show up for them. But all of. us just have to be committed to the. truth. And it doesn't actually matter. whether you you were on the left or the. right. There are obviously higher evils.

that need to be fought because evil is. not left or right. As we are learning, um it seems that they it's very shared. at the top. Patio writes, "New sure. idea. We don't know how they know, but. they knew regarding our statements. yesterday or Pastor Hib's statements. yesterday regarding Israel. I don't know. how they knew, but they knew. Oh, what. luck? There's so much luck in in this. story. It's just so much coincidence. happening where the people that Charlie.

is arguing with the day before and the. cause that he is leaving also happened. to be the first people that knew that he. was dead. Hm. I don't give a dam writes, "A girl after my own heart, I always. start my show with, "If I'm not late, did I really even show up? A queen is. never late to everyone else is simply. early." Was I late today? Feel like I. was on time. I don't know. Rosario. writes, "I hate believing this, but I. don't think we'll ever get legal justice. for Charlie, but I will stick with you. until the end because you are exposing.

every single one of the people involved. The series on each of them can go on for. years. Expose them. Go, Max. We love. you. Christ is king." There is so much. more that I know, so much more that is. coming. And uh the bigger thing is, like. I said, if this is going to be a case. where they're going to just put somebody. to death and we all know that that. person is not involved or at least it's. not the individual who murdered Charlie, then. it is going to cause an awakening that.

they're not willing to handle. They're. not prepared to handle. That's my. belief. They will be making a mistake. with that. Rosario writes, uh, oh, sorry, I just read that. Kelly Martini. writes, "Truth will always prevail.". Standis, love you. See, love you too. Kelly Martini. Lila Wildy writes, "God. bless you." And Charlie Kirk, can you. please dive into the Lindsay Clancy. case? I cannot. The media's portrayal of. overwhelming evidence, which only points. to him and the weird politicization of. it is insane. Spencer Pratt lost you. with his commentary. Crisis King. I just.

can't split my time. This case takes so. much energy. My assumption is that there. obviously is an extreme side of people. who they are readily posting to make. people think that everyone is insane. like I said earlier in this episode and. that there obviously has to be some. nuance here because there are people. that I follow who are not saying like. let's bring our kids to court. I mean I. told you very early on I had issued my. verdict before this ever went to trial. Um and I looked at this the prescription. she was on. And I think a lot of people.

are talking about those prescriptions. I'm just ignorant on it. And so I have. stayed out of it and I do want to keep. my focus on this case because I don't do. things halfway like it was with the. Blake and Justin Baldoni case as it was. with the Camala Chronicles and as it is. now with the Charlie Kirk case. I think. it's more important for me to spend my. time here because there's no way I'd be. able to read all those filings. But um I. do know that there is this weird push. And also, can I just cite the irony? The. reason why so many conservative bros.

love it is because they're basically. trying to draw this line between people. that think Erica Kirk is suspicious to. people that want Lindsay Clancy freed or. something, some disingenuous line that. they're trying to draw, which is. completely crazy because they were the. ones that were going on vibes of Erica. and just saying that we should all. ignore the lies that she's told us. Ignore the inconsistencies. ignore uh. the fact that she hasn't even come and. acknowledged the lies that she told us.

if she meaningfully misunderstood or. didn't know. Why wouldn't you come out. and and correct them? Ignore the fact. that she's doing the opposite of what. her husband expressed. In that scenario, you're the wacky. people that are throwing to toy dolls at. the wall and being emotional and not. rational. So, I fully reject these. comparisons and it's very transparent as. to why they are trying to make them. Anyway, you guys, um I do want to remind. you that we do have book club on Friday. I also want to remind you that we are. starting a new book, Bearing False.

Witness by Rodney Stark, who actually is. evangelical and he is going to debunk. centuries of anti-atholic history. I. explained why that is relevant because. like I said he is not a Catholic but it. does tell you about our school system. and it it is a build on the book that we. read regarding the Freemasonic start of. America and what was happening on the. European continent. Very fascinating. So. I'm excited to dive into this with you. guys. Uh and also if you want to support.

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we should expect um when when we expect. it to be the most relevant relevant and. the most impactful. And now that we know. this is going to trial, as you. predicted, um, well, obviously there's. some stuff I'm holding back because of. the Brian Harpole case. Uh, which is. I don't know, they're making a lot of. arguments for me here suddenly because. they're just getting antsy and they're. like, "Oh, Charlie did think he was. going to die." And it's like, well, Brian Harple said there were no threats. the night before when he was sitting. down with Shawn Ryan. He was like, "No,

nothing." So. there just seems to be this constant. conflict between what various people on. the security team and at Turning Point. USA recall. Anyway, we will leave it at. that. We will see you guys tomorrow. [music].