Ray J Debates Transgenderism | Candace Ep 41

All right, guys. Welcome to a special. episode of Candace. I'm excited for this. conversation or at least to bring this. conversation. So, I'll just dive right. into telling you the background of it. I. recently appeared on Don Lemon and some. clips were taken out of that. conversation I had with him, particularly a portion when he was. talking to me, speaking to me about. transgenderism. I explained to him my. perspective on transgenderism that it is. a mental disorder. Uh shortly thereafter, Ray J, familiar. with it, Ray J, he is a man of many. talents. He's a singer, a performer, um an actor,

uh entrepreneur, a business owner, messaged me on Instagram and said, "Candace, I don't feel and I'm summing. up here, I don't feel that you have the. full story. I would love to have a. conversation, um and introduce you to someone who may. be able to provide you a wider. perspective." And I said, "Let's do it.". I'm in LA and we made it happen. virtually overnight. So, I'm going to. allow Ray J to introduce his guest. First and foremost, Ray J, what inspired. you to reach out? Well, first off, um. just because I've been so involved with.

the community we've been doing. not only TV shows, but we just been been. vibing and we've been spending a lot of. time and and that helped me, you know, educate myself on a lot of new things. Um and so, when I seen the interview and. we've talked before and we've always. been cool. So, I think it's always. important if you feel something to like, you know, call your people, see if we. can sit down, see if we can debate it. Danielle's here, like she's one of our. stars on the new show The Girls Club on. the Zeus Network. And we're going all in.

on this show and I just felt like it was. perfect timing. I was like, "Please hit. me back, right?" And then you're in LA. too at the same time. It was meant. It. was meant for us to do it. And so, just. being and I told you in the in the DM, just being educated being educated. Educated. That Yeah, that was a new. word. I'd never heard. Right. And so, um. bridging the gap and getting an. understanding, it's always good to talk. things through. And so, I brought. Danielle here because. um her experience and her life.

kind of was mixed in with what you were. saying, and maybe she can give you a. better understanding on what it is or. vice versa. You know, but I wanted to. create this synergy so we can all talk. together. Danielle, welcome. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Very happy to. have you here. Also, very happy that you. were willing to even have a discussion. because a lot of times you see people. that are on opposing sides do not want. to speak, and I think that's guided by a. lot of fear and sometimes a lot of. cowardice. So, Danielle, how did you get. mixed in with Ray J, and what made you.

want to be here today? Yeah, so I just. wanted to double back on that. I fully. agree when Ray and the team called me. Obviously, the first emotions that go. through your head is, "Oh my god, I'm. scared. Like, I don't know if I'm. ready." And to be completely vulnerable, I thought this is is I don't want to use. the word easy, but for me as a trans. person, and I have been for 20 years, there's been so many conversations that. I've had worldwide with people, and.

as like a mature, classy, wise person. that I would like to say I am, you. understand perspective, and it's all how. you come at a conversation. So, that's. why I agreed to be here cuz I was like, "I want to do this for me, for the. community, and most of all for Ray J. Tronics and the Girls Club because we. have created something really special.". So, yeah. Okay, so why don't we just. start by telling us a little bit about. your story? Yeah. Um so, I'm from Perth, Western Australia, which is Australia.

Yeah. Shout out Australia. Perth, Western Australia, aka the Aussie Doll, that's what they. call me. Perth, Western Australia is the most. isolated city in the world. So, it's. basically on the west, and everything. else you would have heard about is on. the east. So, growing up in Perth, Western Australia, it's kind of like a. beach town and a a town um, sorry. Want. to get my words right. And, um, yeah, my. experience has been trans, um, dated. back to, and I know this is. controversial and people are going to be.

like, "Uh," when I say it, but the. first, um, verbalization of me feeling. trans is when I was four, and, um, my. mom told me this when I got older. because I'd verbalized to her, um, basically that I was comparing myself to. my older sister, and cuz I have an older. sister and two younger now. And, um, just feelings [clears throat] and. displaying certain things, and. I won't, obviously, get into every. detail cuz I'll try to summarize, but. basically growing up in Perth, it was an.

experience that I had to take on alone. My parents and family were kind of from. the country, West Australian, had no. idea about anything to do with trans or. the LGBTQ, um, and we've got to remember. cuz this was 20 years ago and in. Australia, the journey was completely on. my own back. So, everything that I felt. and resonated with, it was up to me to. do the research. Everything that I'd. seen on the TV was sensationalized and. kind of crazy, and we all know, the.

viewers listening, what I'm talking. about, um, the misrepresentations and. things like that. So, yeah, it was a. very lonely journey, um, you only have to talk to someone in the. community to know that I was a. trailblazer for what I did because I. was, literally, basically the only one. for a while, um, doing what I was doing. And, yeah, life's been a journey since. then, and it still is. And now, were. your parents together? Um, my parents. divorced at the age of six, and then my. mom remarried. So, and so did my dad.

So, I've always had, like, a biological. mother and father and two step parents. And how did your parents deal with you? I guess the first question is, when did. you first communicate your feelings. about your identity, and how did your. parents respond to it? Um, [laughter]. so, at and obviously, I say this is. according to what my mom later told. because to be honest I don't remember. when I was four. I only have like vivid. memories maybe from five six up. Um, but basically what it would be is me. and my mom were always particularly.

really close. I just was, you know, always gravitated towards my mom and my. mom's, you know, just everything to me. And um, she would say that she would. just, you know, notice like certain. things that were different to the other. kids. And when I vocalized to her how I. felt and that I kept comparing myself to. Ashton and I That's my older sister. And. would um, talk like even about genitalia. which obviously I didn't understand at. that time, but I even physically did. things to myself that made no sense kind.

of like to her um, in comparison to why. I wasn't like my sister when we'd have. bath time and things like that. So, um, that was the first verbalization and. then as I got older it just got stronger. because I was able to verbalize things. more. But the interesting thing was And. once again this is only my experience. and I'm just speaking today from a. personal experience of being trans. Um, when I was. being really out there with my. vocalizations about being trans all of a.

sudden when I had realized in school. that it wasn't appropriate to be saying. those things and it wasn't normal and it. was weird or I could be bullied for it I. completely went opposite and I never. brought it up again. Okay. So, that was. kind of like late primary to full high. school. It was never a topic to my. family ever again until I graduated. Okay, so a couple of things that I'd. like to ask as a follow up. You answered. how your mother felt about it. How did. your father feel about it because I do. think it is relevant that your parents. separated when you were six. Yeah, for sure. Um, and they obviously.

separated for their own reasons. Um, my. mother explained to me years later when. I had the maturity that they got a. divorce based on just a complete lack of. um. compatibility, you know, and people got. married then just kind of cuz they had. to and popped out a few kids. Um so, they knew that when they divorced. that they had to do the best for us. My. dad is This is what I like to explain to. a lot of people because a lot of um. people that see men with their um LGBTQ.

children have kind of a femininity to. them or they act in a certain way. My. dad is a very staunch Australian. If. you've watched Crocodile Dundee, that's. the kind of vibe he is. [laughter]. Yeah, like shout out to my dad. Um he's. known as Whitey, the football player in. Bunbury. Um very, you know, just that. alpha male. And the thing is for for cuz. I'm going to be honest today, obviously, just to get the story right. Obviously,

my dad struggled with it more than my. mom, but what later on came in the years. like later on when we converse with my. dad said his issue was that was never. accepting and understanding cuz he could. see it with his own eyes my whole life, but it was the communication that he. lacked on. So, he couldn't talk to me. how my mom could. And this is a last. follow-up question regarding your. father. When they got separated when you. were 6 years old, was he involved in in. your life? they went straight to legal um. uh. What's the word? Um legal um not.

maintenance. Where you have to um where. Like the rights of Yeah, you get 3 days. and 3 days, yeah. I can't think of the word, but yeah, they basically did it straight away that. it was by the book. My dad had us every. weekend and my mom had full custody for. school hours and things like that. Okay. So, Rejay, I want to ask you this. because you have young children, I have. young children. And so, and I'm I'm glad. Danielle that you were very honest about. the fact that your mother told you that. when you were four you said this and had.

done some things and so she kind of says. this was always there. Yeah. Because I. have young children and I know how. stupid kids are and I say that with all. of in heart, but they say ridiculous. things all the time. And one of the. things that's been concerning to me is. to hear so many celebrities try to, I. guess, validate the stupidity of. children and pretending and going, "Well, this must be real." Most notably. what comes to mind, I believe Charlize. Theron had a daughter or a son, but the. story goes, one day in the bath bathtub,

my son or daughter looked up at me and. said, "Mommy, I'm a I'm a girl." And. that was it. That Charlize Theron then. allowed her child to begin. transitioning. And that to me sounds. like a mental disorder that the parent. is suffering for some reason. And a lot. of the times I've noticed this trend. that it does tend to be single women. that sort of encourage this thing. So, I'd like to ask you if you're You have a. son. Mhm. And a daughter. And your son's. how old? My son's four. Okay. He's four. Perfect age. My daughter's six. If your son was in a bathtub and your. son said.

anything in the bathtub, "Dad, I'm a. mermaid.". Why would you then say, "Well, this must. really mean that my four-year-old. toddler, who also thinks he can fly, who. also thinks like Santa Claus is real and. can squeeze down the the chimney." Why. isn't this thing that people go, "Oh, well, this must be a sign that my. child's really struggling with. identity." Yeah, I mean, I think that's. that's very early, I would say, just me. being a new parent, right? And what's.

crazy about the mermaid thing, my son. likes to follow his sister, right? He. loves her, and whatever she does, he wants to do. Same with me, back here. I used to double dutch and jump rope. before I, you know, started to hang out. with my friends, um. just because I wanted to follow my big. sister. She got a mermaid outfit, he. wanted one. So, I got him a mermaid. He. wanted to be a merman for cuz she was. in, you know, she was swimming with the. mer So, I'm like, "All right, you want. to be a merman? Then cool, I'll get you. one." Um. but I didn't think of it in the sense of.

that Yeah, it's just because you know, again they're young and. and they're learning things as they go, you know. And I want to piggyback off that as. well. Sorry to cut you off is with that. was like a really valid question, but I. have to say that with my mom what she. did was it wasn't a validation of really. how I thought and acted on it straight. away. My mom was a listener. So my mom. never shut me down for the things that I. verbalized, but as for like counseling.

and transition, that was done way later. And that was never to punish me, but it. was all always like my mom was like a. soundboard, but she never pushed. Yeah, you said you said that. You said. you kept it quiet for. Oh, yeah. I totally internalized because. you see what the world says and you're. like, oh sugar, this isn't I'm normal. I'll just be quiet. Yeah, but I guess. what I'm I'm trying to say here is that. your mother even now, even if you're. older and you make a decision for your. mother to go back into a memory of. something that every child goes through.

They just say stupid stuff. They want to. be mermaids. They don't even understand. The first time we watched Disney movie. my son said, I'm a princess. And I said, no, you're a prince. And now you're. seeing this sort of people trying to go. backwards. I don't know if they're doing. this out of protection or out of love. and trying to pretend that they just. want to validate the experiences that. you're having, but I don't feel comf I. don't feel like, oh, this must be real. because you said this started when I was. four. I First thing comes to my head is. mommy's got some issues, right? Because. it's not like your mother said this you. know, whatever. You were a kid when you. were toddler. But then I really noticed.

this thing when you were 18 years old. and your Well, actually your brain. develops at the age of 26 years old. So. that makes me a little bit uncomfortable. because I I do think and I do see this. pattern of single moms. Um and also just. what you spoke to. You said I had an. older sister. This is exactly right. So. my daughter will is much more of a. roughhouser because she's following my. son who is the oldest. So she grabs. swords. She wants to fight. Now, I was a. tomboy. I went through a phase where I. had like I think all girls go through. this like tomboy phase, but I went. through a phase when I was in fifth.

grade and I was acting, you know, I I. wanted to just play with the boys. I. thought the boys were having more fun. I. just thank God that this wasn't. fashionable at the time and I know that. you're you're. It definitely wasn't at that age. But. now it's like parents are just like, "Yay, I want my kid to be different.". And I'm throwing them into this. I want. to specify quickly on the four. I used. that specifically when I'm interviewed, like I said before, I'm going to be. really honest and I used that because. that was something that was told to me. in a private moment with me and my mom.

when I was asking her to reflect, but. that was just the start. But as you can. imagine, there was many other things she. started to share with me. like it between us intimate moments of. things, "Oh, I remember this and that. and that was because I was searching for. that truth." And I'm also a very. open-minded person, so I wanted to. understand myself better. So, I get what. you're saying, but it's almost like I. have to use that as a benchmark, but it. wasn't like you said it at four and then. like we actioned it or you said it at.

four and then never said it again. That. was just the start of what she could. remember and then moved forward for. years. Yeah, but even if she's doing that post. because she wants to validate the pre, it's still dishonest to me because every. parent knows that toddlers just say and. do ridiculous things. And so, if she's. validating that for you now, then I my. fear is that maybe your mother was. validating that for you out of love the. entire time. But I want to go back into. your narrative before we talk about. those aspects. So, you said that when. you were in high school uh you.

I guess could could you just elaborate? I don't know if you were saying like you. were trans or started saying some trans. things and then people made you feel. that you couldn't do that. Um it was basically Um yeah, so in in. Australia, sorry, it's a little bit. different. We have primary and high, so. I'm not super sure, but we've got like. grade one to grade seven and then grade. eight to grade 12. So, how old? Um so, it would have been. from like the age of 10 to like the age. of 17 where I was in the. um moment. Um but, I wanted to clarify.

that I never used the word trans um. growing up because I didn't have the. education of what that word was. How I. identified is that I felt um like a. female, but I just was aware that that. wasn't possible at that time. That was. the best way I can put it. I was just. like I'm a girl, but unfortunately. that's not matching and that's just how. I That's all I can verbal verbalize it. as, but the reason why other people. caught on to that is because every day.

of my life people literally were like, "Yeah, like she, her, girl." Um I would. cross the street and they would be like, "Good morning, ladies." and then. everyone would laugh. Like it was this. knowing thing that people weren't being. like trans or derogatory things at. school, but they were literally like. "What the hell are you?" Without using. swear words. So, that's interesting. So, why would somebody. say good morning, girls to you if you. weren't presenting as trans? I'm saying. That's how feminine I was in.

literally a school uniform um presenting. as me, just me, just like whatever was. perceived by the public as female. Okay, so I believe that you can be a feminine. you can act feminine. That I totally. believe you can. really acting cuz it was a visual. response. Do you know what I'm saying? Like you know the lollipop ladies that. I'm not sure if you all have them in. America like with the sticks like stop. go. So, it wasn't like a act of me. prancing or anything. It was just the. visualization. It was the head.

And I have I have I've grown up with. just growing up and I've had friends who. um. were more feminine in class than. Yes. you [clears throat] know, other. other. you know, people. So, we kind of could tell, you know what I. mean? Even at a young age what. what people wanted to be and what what. people liked. But I could still think. even in liking and loving. pertaining to like the job at hand, the. execution, being on time, making sure. the work is done. I think that's that's.

what matters. And I think the privacy of. like people's love and affection. [snorts]. sometimes to me is TMI to to the job at. hand and to what we are and what we're. all trying to accomplish in our goals. So. um But I guess my question is and I I'm. agreeing with you actually. We're in. radical agreement here because I've gone. to school and I've seen. boys that are feminine. Yeah, at a young. age. And I didn't graduate with a single. trans person. Those people did not. decide to go trans now. Obviously there. there's been explosion of of the trans.

agenda. They were just gay. Yeah, very. different. so I would like to know. at what point did you go from just being. a feminine boy to saying, "No, actually. I think it's more than that.". Yeah. And I am. needing to change my life. Yeah. So um. like I stated before it was always the. internalized um thought uh process, but. just because of my intellect at the time.

I didn't know the possibilities of how I. could execute it. But the feelings were. always there and I guess that I was. hoping when I got older I would be able. to gain more resources and more. knowledge and it could be possible to. you know, match the outside of how I was. thinking. But I want to specify that. there was gay people in my school and. like y'all both agreed on that feminine. gaze and it's so interesting because and. these guys will probably hear this cuz. they're still on my Facebook, but it was.

so interesting cuz even in little old. Perth, Australia, they still identified. and treated these gay boys in my class. different to me. I was always on the. outer. It was like they were the gays. and I was the she. So even then, with no. knowledge and no understanding, they. were still. being like, "It's different." Because. these gay boys weren't like straight. gays, as we called them. They were. feminine gay boys, and I was the she. So like you can imagine that.

if that was the perception. it was matching what I was feeling, but. I just wasn't vocalizing it. So when did. you begin to vocalize that? Um I vocalized it when I was 17. Um I I. was very blessed in my family that they. allowed me to do grade 11 and 12 at. Kingsway Christian College. I was kind. of like at a point at the school that I. went to that was really rough that I. wanted to graduate, and my auntie and. like um my family were at a local. church, and they got me into that. school, which was really prestigious and. stuff, and you know, I could knuckle.

down and do my studies and graduate. And. throughout that time, and especially. being around like devout Christians and. going to church and doing Bible study. and things like that, knew how I felt. and knew what I needed to do. So I. platformed from. um like literally legal age. So when I. graduated in Australia, it falls on you. becoming 18. Yeah. According to a recent report, Planned Parenthood continues to rake in. billions despite dwindling clients. The. biggest takeaway is that Planned. Parenthood is generating vast profits, including millions in taxpayer funding.

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like one long identity crisis. You're. trying to figure out literally who you. are. Yeah. That is what adolescence is. You're And And that's why I say, quite. jokingly but kind of also seriously, bring back cigarettes because now there. are just been explosion of children who. think they're non-binary, they think. they're transgendered. No matter how you. estimate it, you know that there were. not this many people that were. struggling and like there was no they. didn't all become transgendered. And so. it is part of this is becoming a. contagion, you know, social contagion, which is Well, social contagion is real, right? So, if you see me smoking. cigarettes and then everybody starts.

smoking cigarettes. I mean, that was the. reason why cigarettes got popular. because they were on a poster. hit the cigarette and you try to smoke. it and you can't, inhale, it's like you. cough like it's like you're Well, we. stopped We stopped out cigarettes. So, there used to be the majority of people. in America were smoking cigarettes and. it was because of advertising, right? So, people were looking, the doctors. were telling them it was healthy, that. that was the reason why people were. smoking cigarettes. Exactly. So, that. used to be a thing in America. And then. dial it back, they did the exact thing, the reverse marketing. And we were. suddenly learning in school, everyone. did the DARE program, and they kind of. stomped out cigarette smoking. Yeah, they kind of smoked out They. stomped out cigarette smoking in.

America. And that's actually a joke that. Europeans make, Americans don't smoke. cigarettes. And so. We know that advertising works. We know. that you can influence behavior. And. that's why I say bring back cigarettes. cuz now I feel that when the kids were. trying to rebel against their parents. when we were young, people were like. smoking cigarettes, maybe smoking a. joint. Now they're like, I'm non-binary. And kind of being sent down this. pathway, which for those who really are. just struggling with adolescence, there. isn't really a way back. So, if your child came to you at 17 or 18.

said, I am born to the wrong body. And I want to take puberty blockers. What would you say? Well, as a parent, um, my kids are four. and six. Um, you you don't really know what how. you're going to react, but I know for. me, I want to be the parent my kids. should I want them to be able to tell me. anything. Like the darkest, the most. complicated, like what they're really.

going to through internally, externally. So, I would be super open for super. support, right? That's the kind of dad I. am. Um, even with my son, he's four, but. there's been times where he's been. around and we were shooting whether it's. a movie or something and there was a lot. of women around and he said, "Dada, I love the girls." Right? And I went, "Okay. Got it." I mean, I don't know if I. should. bring them in now because you're only. four, so I wouldn't wouldn't do that, but hey,

that's what you like right now. You came. to me and said it. You even told your. mom, "Where are the girls at, Dada?" in. front of moms. I said, "Son, we got to. you know, and so, um, I I would just be there for them. And I. think as as society grows and as. everybody gains more knowledge, um, and you know, you have friends, right? I have friends. I have friends. that are straight. I have friends that. are gay. I have friends that are trans. And um, and these are my close friends.

And so, I don't me personally, I don't. care, but I I also understand that. it's it's it's for them to make the. choice, not for them to be. programmed into a choice that they might. not be familiar with and they're just. following the trend, right? So, that's. the that's where, you know, you straddle. the line with everything with marketing. and promo. But for me, I mean, I'm in. full support of whatever my kids want to. do. And you know, Heroin?

Well, I mean, not that. Pornography? Not that. But I'm saying. he's in full support of whatever his. kids want to do. No, no, no, no, meaning. like meaning like but no, meaning like. if they were doing that, please come. tell me. Yeah. So I can help you. Like. don't push me out to where you don't. feel comfortable with telling your dad. that you got a problem, right? So yes, I. will be in full support of listening to. them and helping them. So as honest as.

they can be, I want to be the dad to. make them feel like anytime I'm going. down, anytime I'm going up, whatever, I'mma always hit my dad and tell him. what's going on. You know. I'd like to Yeah, I would love. to say I would love for you to comment. on that because you said it's not. comparable to your kid participating in. pornography and it's not comparable to. your kid doing heroin. Right. Why would you say that? Um I just wanted to piggyback as well. off the um cigarette. Like I'm giggling. in my head because it's true. Like I. have to agree with you. It's like even. like in my hometown, it's just woah, all. of a sudden everyone's a smoker. Where.

did that come from? Um so I did it kind. of giggle at that point, but I wanted. just make it very clear. And I'm going. to open up a can can of worms here. because let's be honest, and I said at. the start of the interview, I'm trans. and I'm speaking for myself. So I'm an. individual. So you might be with me and. be like, okay, like she's got some. points or whatever, whatever, and. someone else could come across as. literally crazy to you. So once again, I. can only speak from my perspective. But. I want to make it very clear that. there's two points. So with the whole.

where did all this trans and non-binary. come from, we have to remember that as a. society, we are forever evolving, and. sometimes that's in not the best ways. Let's be honest because sometimes the. world's becoming something that we wish. it wasn't. But also, we were in a place. of not only oppression, but where people. were um it's like that silence or the. gag order where you can't speak up it. depending on jobs and discrimination and. serving for the country whatever it may. be. So, a lot of people it's been.

documented that were suffering were. suffering in silence and they weren't. able to do what we can now because we. live in a world where it's more. accepted. But, to piggyback over that. point I also want to make a statement. that as a trans person myself I'm. shocked sometimes because I see all. these people now that are under the. trans umbrella and I say the trans. umbrella cuz that shocks me sometimes. Um, where they're like I'm trans and I. will see them in public like hiking.

presenting as a boy with a beard and I'm. shocked. So, you would say. Because it's like that's not me. So, they're not being So, they're not being. transparent. I don't want to make it like a. physicality thing cuz I know people. instantly read people like me saying. I've got pretty privilege, I'm passing. privilege, I'm white privilege and all. these other privileges, but it's not. about that for me. What it's about is. that I want people to understand that. being trans and if you truly are trans. it's a journey that should happen. between you and your parents and, you. know, the medical practitioner and it.

shouldn't be something that's. sensationalized and a circus act. It. should be down to the individual and I. feel like if you hit all those points. and it's meant to be there would be. less. So, I can kind of agree with what. you're saying in that sense because when. I sit in the room with someone else that. claims trans and I'm like looking at. them like come on, be for real. But, now. I can't even say that. people are faking it. Well, it's just a. social contagion which is what I was. saying. So, social contagions are real. and But, I want I want to specify on.

that it's a social contagion for that I. can understand what you're saying, but. that's for the people that are adding on. to the community that I don't feel are. genuine. I I actually I feel like that's. the difference. So, I would disagree. with that and I disagree virtually with. Bill Maher on everything, but even he. did a segment he obviously is I'm a. lefty. I I guess you consider himself to. be an ally of the LGBTQ+ community, and. he showed a map of. transgenderism across the United States, and he said, "Well, if this is not a. social contagion, can you explain to me. why so many kids in LA are trans and yet.

kids in Ohio" and he showed on the map. and he's he's Well, that shows you it's. a social contagion. Well, this is a good. back session. I'll I'll get that clip to. you later up where he shows the map of. the trans uh where transgenderism is. happening. And obviously in that clip. he's talking about puberty blockers, and. you said you were 17 that you then. realized there was something else that. was going on with you, but you know, just speaking about the development of. the human brain, your brain is literally. not developed at 17 years old, right? You are not a formed person at 17.

17-year-old RJ, 17-year-old Candace, think about how much I started. kids in Sorry, I just wanted to specify. 17 was um grade 12 for me, and then I. started 18. And in Australia, 18 is. legal, not 21. Legal and brain. development are two totally different. For sure. That's you can go to war, all. that stuff. But I mean, kids are. drinking at 15. That's totally fine. I don't support, by the way. Right. But. just to be clear, your brain is not. fully like like the human mind is not. fully developed until 26 years I think. it I I think the experience of the human. gets better. So, your experience makes.

you have more knowledge, right? Doesn't. mean that you aren't your greatest at 18. and 19 and 20, you know? Those are the. moments And I was in full knowledge of. like my thoughts and and and in control. over that because you have to remember. to take it back. This is not a decision. that I made like some random like, "Oh, you know what? I want to be a girl at 17. and started 18." To me, I'm too smart. for that. That's reckless. I don't think. that that's wise. Like, you've got to. marinate in the decision, and that's.

what I would the advice that I give to. people all the time. This is not. something that you click your fingers. for. This for me was over a decade. So, when I made my choice at 18, I I get. what you're saying with brain. development, but for me it was just. finally time because I had all of that. time. And this is a lifestyle, like I. told you this was I didn't even care. that other people were calling me she. and her 24/7 because I knew how I felt. was you you liked that. Of course I did, but but also. embarrassment came with that cuz I was.

all. you know, the kids would laugh. When did. when did you decide to do the full The. full change was at. 19 and a half and 19 and a half a year. and a half later. So you went from this. is my decision at 17 18 to I'm going to. go under the knife and did you get. bottom surgery? No, that was my first. surgery. I had breast augmentation and. then a few years after that I had SRS, which is also known as being post-op. trans or sex change or gender.

reassignment surgery. There's so many. different names. Why did you choose and. as your first surgery to get breast. augmentation? Um to be honest and I will. be very honest about this. Um. when I got breast augmentation, I felt. like it was almost like something that I. needed for a visualization of a female. like it sensationalized in the sense. that oh, I want large breasts because. that'll make me more beautiful and I'm. proud of myself that many years later.

that I can look back and kind of be like. I actually didn't need that because I. had hormone breast growth of the. equivalent to like a B cup and I was. actually had like great breasts. Okay, so that's interesting. So you're. at the same time that you're saying that. you were able to make this mature. decision to go under the knife or to. recognize that you were not. a male, I guess would be if I I hope I'm. okay. You're also admitting that you did. something. kind of childish, right? I mean to say I.

need big boobs, I'm a girl. I I wouldn't do that. I'm a I'm an. actual woman, right? So I wouldn't do. that because that just sounds to me like. someone who's playing dress up. Like. that just sounds to me. not. My It wasn't a costume. is because the first thing if if you. genuinely thought, like this is who I. am, the first thing you do is get boobs, that's to me just like this is what it. means to be a girl. It's it's. it's very. the first thing I did. that to me is a costume because women. have all different breast size. There.

are some women that are completely. pancakes, some women that have huge. boobs. I got a new song coming out called. "Titty for me." [laughter] So, it's all coming out. But that's why I. take um ownership over the fact that. what I'm saying is. not being a costume and not copying. anyone anyone or anything like that. It. was a decision made by me that I thought. I needed and it wasn't any deep regret. It was just later on I was like, I just. don't need that size because I knew I. needed but the thing is we have to be. specific that my own friends that are.

born female have the same thing. Like my. best friend literally hates her. implants. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but. but but but she's doing that for a. different reason and this kind of gets. my point. You said that after and I I. want to slow this down cuz I'm I'm. making a point that I would like you to. to understand. You said that once you. realized that you were a female, you. felt that you were a female and you were. in the wrong body, the first thing you. did was do something that does not make. someone a female, right? That you just. were like, "I'm going to get boobs." So,

that to me shows a tremendous. immaturity, right? Now, other one other. women do this, they're just like, "I. want to look like Kim Kardashian and. this is a trend. but they're not doing it because they're. going, "I'm not a woman." Do you get. what I'm saying? mean what's the difference? Like cuz my. Yeah, because my best friend literally. got implants because she and and I. quote, she was like, "I feel like a boy. because I've got no boobs.". Some some women want bigger breasts and. some people like like I I don't mind. little breasts or big breasts, but women.

want to go get some. said. They were attached to masculinity. But you're saying and femininity are two. different things. They don't attach it. to whether or not they are in fact a. Like they would never go to the doctor. and say if I don't get these boobs, I'm a male. No, but I didn't think that. I was talking about aesthetically. pleasing. That was my point. But that was that exactly. I wanted the breasts. I feel like That's. fine. I just I just want to say this. That to me is is to me that's a costume.

And that's why I call and this is why I. feel that it's womanface. It's It's an. idea. It's like. This is what I believe women are because. I'm scrolling through and I'm I'm giving. you a modern example, obviously. Instagram is on a ramen you're doing. this. I'm scrolling through Instagram. and I think that the hottest girl on. Instagram is Sofia Richie. So what do I. have to do to look like Sofia Richie and. that's going to make me a woman. That to. me is womanface, right? That doesn't. That doesn't make So yes, you're saying. there's aesthetics to it and that is the. reason why you will see women all across.

LA It's like Santa Monica. They will get their It's It's the. aesthetics. But I But I Exactly. For me, once again Because I can only speak from. a personal point of view, it was the. aesthetic of it. Just like my. girlfriend, like I stated, that's how. she felt as a born female. But the. costume for me, because you're using. that and that is something that gets. thrown around in our community, I want. to specify how I see the costume because. I actually agree with that terminology. and I hate when people treat being trans. like a costume because they do do it, but it's just not in that scenario. A.

costume to me is how I specified before. where people are going around saying I'm. trans and they want to reap the benefits. of being a trans Let's say activist or. getting jobs as a trans spokesperson, whatever it may be. And then you see. them at the corner store and it's like. literally like whoa, did you. detransition overnight? That's what I. see as a costume. back to being Well, it's just what she. said. It It can be a costume. But for. me, this isn't a costume. I can't rip it. all off. I know I've got I'm in glam now. because I love glam and you know, I like. to feel and look good, smell good,

whatever, whatever. But at home, no. makeup on, hair up in a bun is giving. woman. It's giving what it is. Okay, so. you. not a costume for me. believe that you're a woman. 100%. Do I. think I'm a born female biological. woman? Absolutely not. I'm a trans woman. and I'm well aware that I'm not a. biological woman and I want to make that. statement very loud. That's a good. Because that's where it gets crossed and. where I think trans people need to come. to the table of is understanding that.

and letting biological women know that. we're well aware we're trans women and. if people are out there saying anything. otherwise, that's something that I don't. want to back. Right. So now now we're. bridging the gaps. Right. Now we're bridging the gap, Candace. Yeah. I'm a well aware of who I am and. what I am. Do you, Rajae, believe that. Danielle is a woman? Yes. I don't I've never once even every. time we talk, I've always said Danielle, she I I'm that's that's what it is. Like.

and all of my friends that are in the. community, I mean, we have a whole gay. agency, right? Shout out to Tarad and. Dumping D. It's the full gay agency, right? And then we have the girls club, right? So there's different layers and. different um. different things that people like to do. in their world that they like to be. outside of work. But when we all come to work, everybody's on time, everybody's on. point. What happens after work? I mean, it ain't you know what I'm saying? I I.

can only imagine what some of my other. friends do, some of my. um boom operators and camera guys, they. they they're real freaks, right? So who. knows what they're doing? All I know is. that when we did the girls club, we shot. it in the Laurel Hills. Yeah. Um it was. a lot of intense um drama, you know, everybody was trying to tell their. story. So it got it got really dramatic. and it was a lot of like um physical. altercations. So we had to call another. security team in. Security team got. there and the security team ended up.

falling in love with all the girls. there. So they never left. So the. security team would hang out with the. girls after the set and when was 8:00. call time, they just got out the bed and. went to work. Got dressed, right? Because everybody start locking in and. that showed me that you know, it's you. know, people after work and people in. their own time is going love doing what. they do. So I just want to be clear. Danielle, I. think you're a very kind person. You're.

very open person. I'm just so happy that. you're willing to have this discussion. But Ray J, when you say that you believe. And shout out to the security team. You believe that Danielle is a woman. You believe that I am a woman. I believe. like she said, she's a trans woman and. she made it very clear that they. understand the difference but if someone. like. difference? That's what I'd like you to. answer, Ray J. Ray J. What is the. difference? Well, I would say what's the difference.

is. what you have. Like what what's on you, you know what I mean? Um. and there is really no difference but. what your preference is outside of work. Outside of us coming together and doing. what we need to do to to finish the goal. at hand. No, but what what is the difference. between me and Danielle? She's a trans. woman and you're a. I'm the biology of biological woman. Is.

that the what Yeah, cuz I'm still being. I'm educating educated every day on it, right? Right. I ask a lot of questions. educated on speech rather than being. educated on what you know to be right. and. Well, no. I know Well, not right and. wrong. I just know what what's the. difference. you have to differentiate and I'm I'm. glad that you are cuz I do think that. that's much more respectful than where a. lot of people are coming from, um, who I self-identify as. transgendered, but if you have to. delineate, if you have to say I'm a. trans woman and Candace is a woman, then.

that necessarily means that we are not. the same, right? We are something. different. everybody is different. Every human is. different. Yeah. Nobody's the same. Yeah, I agree. Nobody's the same. like even I wanted to double on that. point is with intersex. Let's be honest, a lot of people just back in the day. used to say hermaphrodite, and now it's. No one is No one is intersex. Hermaphrodite, and then now. grammatically correct is intersex. Grammatically correct? Yeah, and I'm learning, too, mind you, because I had to learn what intersex.

was. is when you got. When you're born with basically both. organs or, um, XY chromosomes mixed and. things like that, so it's more it's not. just I'm going to take a hormone, it's. actually the way you're born. So, what does that mean? So, that. basically comp- It makes the topic of. trans actually more complex because a. lot of people now that are intersex. identify, um, under the trans umbrella. So, it can get very tricky in. conversation because one point I wanted. to make is that I have often wondered,

and maybe we could film this one day, cuz I actually don't know, but my family. have actually pulled me aside and said. based on, you know, the way I look, move, and my whole journey that, um, they wanted to get a test to see if I. was actually intersex because it would. make more sense with my whole journey, the way I look, and the way that my life. has unfolded, but it's a very expensive. test, from what I've heard, and I never. had that. Yeah. So, that's what. And and to be clear, Yeah, and that's when it does start to. change because as you can imagine, and,

um, even from a religious standpoint, cuz I've had this conversation with. Christian women before, does that then. make it different because it's actually. is how you're born versus a lot of. people saying it's a choice. Yes. Wait, like can I We might be. missing a chromosome. Like there might be a chromosome like. You know what I'm saying? There might be. one chromosome missing in certain humans. that we ain't paying attention to. That's why we're bridging the gap today. All right, guys. Some exciting news. We. just launched our new store on Sticker. Mule. It's packed with awesome Candace.

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Yeah, it's a small percentage. That is. considered a genetically genetic. anomaly, right? So, something goes. wrong, and you can be born with two. parts. But that that something has gone wrong. But why would Why can't it just be right. for that person? that that that that that that that that. that that. happen. Like like if everything goes. right, creation. a man and her was attached. together. Are we wrong? See, I feel like But that is that is. also something When something goes. wrong. This is why you know, like. because of the twins and they're Yeah, they have these surgeries, and they're. and their, you know, organs can be mixed.

and it is a it's a right thing. It is a. right one. But something goes wrong when. somebody is born intersex. wrong? Because it's not God's But we all. believe Yeah, we all believe that. They got a snake and had two heads. [clears throat] So, I feel like that. could also be that's God's creation. I'm. I'm not saying the person being alive is. wrong. I am saying that genetically. speaking, there are tons of things that. can go wrong. It's like, you know, people when something happens because of. who you're married to, and your genes. are lining up in a different way, and. some people can be born. special. Yeah. Blind in one eye. This,

that, this, you know, there are tons of. things that. dogs was blind, but he was moving on. People people are born different. people. Okay, but that is not intersex is not. transgenderism because. transgenderism, everything has gone just. right. And at some point in that. person's life, they just make a decision. to say that I want to start living as. this opposite sex that I was not born. as. And that is why I say this is a. mental disorder, okay? I don't view an.

intersex person as having a mental. disorder. But can I ask you a question. about that? I view a transgendered as having a. mental disorder. And I'm So I'll I'll. ask you a question. Is Rachel Dolezal a black? Pardon? Is Rachel Dolezal a black? Rachel Dolezal, if you're not familiar, is is the woman who was wearing dark. makeup and was leading the end leading. the NAACP, had grown her hair out kinky. into an afro, and then it turned out her. parents spoke out, and she's basically. as white as they come, and she just was. dressing every day as a black person and.

passing as black and leading the NAACP. Yeah. And everyone in the community. her, so I don't want to comment on that. you to comment because. just wearing makeup and dressing as a. black person. So she was just wearing makeup. you're wearing makeup. I feel like. that's inappropriate, and I feel like. going back to what you said before, that. is a perfect example of costuming. Well, Because see how every. that seems very unfair, and it feels. judgmental because to me, if you're. going to say that you felt that despite. the fact that you were born a male, and.

that you felt on the inside that you. were something else, and then you went. through steps to present as that. something else. And then when I say, "What about Rachel Dolezal?" Rachel. Dolezal says that she felt her whole. life that she was born in the wrong skin. color, and that these weren't really her. parents, and like she was black, and so. she started presenting as black. I just. don't see how you can be ideologically. consistent because no one will accept. Rachel Dolezal because that's blackface. How could you say this? But you're. sitting here like, "Well, I demand that. I get you know, that like" and I'm.

saying you as the larger community. because I don't think you're being. demanding at all. Yeah. At in this. moment, but it's just do you see the. hypocrisy of saying that a woman can't. just like why can't a white girl say. she's black? I get what you're saying and I see how. people would compare that, but my thing. is once again is when we want to have. conversations about things, it's never. just an umbrella and that's why when I. hate when people say that it has to be. down to the individual. So as a as a. mature smart lady and you're telling me.

this and I'm comprehending that, I'm. already understanding it for what it is. and that's why every case is different. because that's no different than someone. Is Rachel Dolezal black? But that but I. you know what? I watched um something on. I think Fox and it was um. they asked. a transgender. guy. about it and he was stuck on the. question when they said. if I said I was black, I think Chris. Morgan said it and he said if so if I.

say I'm black, do you consider me black? And I heard that. he. I said that to him. it yet. He was stuck and he didn't know. what to say. because I think that the it's tricky now. with race. Yeah. and gender, right? Not tricky. It's very it's and and I think that but. here's the thing, the fact that that's a. that question kind of stops. the answers from flowing because you got. to. we need to elaborate more on that. We.

need to we need to like we need to. figure out how to think how to really. understand that question because that's. being asked and it kind of shuts. everything. But that's but there's a reason it shuts. everything down cuz it's not a tricky. question. You she like like literally in. in 4 seconds Rachel Dolezal said that. she was black, that she lived this way, she was had a great job at the NAACP. fighting for black causes. Suddenly her. parents speak out, everyone can see that. her parents are very white. And then. they showed a picture of Rachel Dolezal.

It turns out this is like a. blonde-haired Scottish girl. I mean, and. and and and. What if she was around black people for. all her life? my point, right? So, and the reason why. you guys are struggling to answer this. is because what it does is it presents. to say. Yeah, you said Rachel Dolezal is not. black. Yeah, she's not black at all. So, I feel. like that. she's sitting here. saying that she's black. Yeah, okay. It's like if I want to be called. No, so if you got to call me the name I want. cuz At least you're being consistent. You're not being consistent. So, at.

least you're saying that yes, any person. can just say whatever they are and we. have to accept it. If they feel deep. down and they went through middle school. and they felt that they were black, then. we have to suddenly accept it. saying that I would disrespect her for. saying like I wouldn't be like, "You're. not." Because to be honest, that's got. nothing to do with me. disrespectful to say it's reality. it is costume-y. And that's going back. to what we said before, which is a major. issue, is that the blurred the lines get. blurred because of of being a costume. And trans is not a costume. It's not a. cloak. When I take this off, is that But.

but the thing is, once again, it still. comes down to the individual. scenario. And that is what it is because. I want to say that the thing that I get. thrown at me all the time, which people. obviously think hurts me and it doesn't, it's laughable, is people are like, "Okay, you say you're trans, well, I'm a. unicorn or I'm a cloud." I mean, it's. ridiculous. How is it comparable? Well, it we do We do Okay. We do currently. have children that are saying that they. are trans species, so that's a reality. There are are kids that are saying that.

they're cats, that they're dogs. We have. to respect it. At least you're being ideologically. consistent. At least you're being. consistent and Because that's fair. But. I'm not saying he's wrong because. But you said Rachel Dolezal wasn't. black. Because of what I'm saying is the. what what I'm saying. like we are living in a society where we. have rules and regulations, right? And. we have we have a government. We go to. jail when we do wrong, right? So, it is. the wild, wild west. So, there's things. that get better and people get more. honest, and then there's also people who. abuse the honesty cuz now it's changing.

into something that's like um the in. thing. There's people who are really in. it for real, and then there's people who. are just kind of Yeah, imitators. But, you're not an imitator. Like, you. went through the whole thing. Exactly. And I know who I am, and it's. not a joke, and it's not a costume. And. I wanted to double back on something. really important. And obviously, it's. your opinion, so I don't even want to be. disrespectful on it. But, I know a lot. of times you've stated that um you know,

trans being transgender cuz I don't like. the word transgenderism is um a mental. disorder. But, you know, that the APA. states that it's not a mental disorder. at all. And they're psychiatrists. They're trained psychiatrists, and I. knew you probably knew I'd bring this. up. But, you know, the APA states that. it's not a mental disorder at all. So, that's the American Psychiatric. Association, and also the World Health. Order. And what they state is that it's. actually just obviously gender. dysphoria. And then the description from.

gender dysphoria is the feeling of. distress from gender dysphoria. But, then the interesting thing about this, and I want to bring this to you cuz this. is, you know, I know that's your. statement and that's mine. But, what's. interesting even about that to show how. everyone is so unique is I don't even. have gender dysphoria anymore because I. don't ever feel walk around feeling like. a guy. And let's just So, see how it's. so Like gender dysphoria is just. something that we're all all getting. educated. Yeah, so gender dysphoria is. when trans people feel dysphoric about.

like their gender. So, in the sense of a. trans woman being like, "Oh my god, I. feel, you know, manly today. I feel like. a guy. I feel like blah, blah, blah.". And it brings them down, and that's what. causes feelings of distress. And that's. why it's not considered a disorder. because it's a feeling of anxiety about. that thing about you. But, for me to. double on that, I'm like, but I don't. wake up and ever see a guy feel like a. guy. So, I don't have gender dysphoria. So, everything and every individual is. different and that's why I'll always. preach that point, but it's not a.

disorder. I don't have a mental. disorder. Like, I don't even think about. this on a day-to-day basis, but I am. willing to come to the forefront and. speak about trans rights and transness. because I am, but I always want to show. people worldwide that you can clearly. see we're all different and You know. what I wish? Like, I wish some of the. guys. that that, you know, that are. like in love and infatuated in this. relationship, I wish they would come out. and be like, "Yo, this is what it is.".

Cuz some of them are my friends. And I'm. like, you whenever you feel like it, but. you not wrong. And I'm not going to say. nothing to none of the homies, but y'all. got to speak up, too, and just come out. in love and hug and do. and and show. the compatibility Yeah. with what y'all. like and what what what's going on in. the real world. Yeah. So, I just want to go way back. because there's there I do feel there is. this intentional speeding through the. Rachel Dolezal point before we get to. the psychological, which there's a.

reason why the APA, which is in charge. of. psychology, is even commenting on this. issue because they know that it's a. psychiatric issue or they wouldn't have. to comment on it. Um, so. Rachel Dolezal, I want to go back to cuz. this is a very important point and I do. feel you're paddling past because you. realize this. It's it's I know what it. is. I don't know what it is. it is. I'm flashing back. Okay, well, I. it doesn't matter. Let's let's say any. individual. Yeah. This is an This is an. individual who is committed and living. as a black person when in fact they were. born with parents that are whiter than.

snow. So, nobody was black. No, nobody. not even not even a drop of. not even like. I'm pretty sure I've seen this on my. watch or something. A Spanish song, probably. Never got listen to a Spanish. song. There's not even a draw. I among the lines of what you're talking. about because I think I've seen it on. watch or whatever. yeah, instantly said, and have held to. the point that Rachel Dolezal is not a. black person. So, if Rachel Dolezal is. not a black person, but believes that. she is a black person on the inside,

what is Rachel Dolezal suffering from? So, for me personally, like I will say. once again because I don't know her. story, but based on what you're telling. me, I will go back to the point every. time that what it sounds like is that. she's costuming. That's what it is to. me. If Rachel believes she's black, that's not only not my place to comment. on. I don't know that girl, so it. doesn't bother me. But if someone. doesn't believe in what she's doing is. right, if it's publicized or whatever, that's their opinion. But do I think. that she has a mental disorder? My.

answer is who am I to even comment on. that? Yeah, like I think I think I'm a psycho. Let me Let me just Let me just finish. idea. I agree with you about Rachel Dolezal. She is costuming. Right. But does she. have a mental disorder? Yeah. If you are living your life as. something that you are not, and you. believe inside of you that you are this, she's not hurting anybody, but she is. suffering from a mental disorder, okay? And now this is where This is where. things get tricky. So, you and Rachel Dolezal are.

actually. embodying the exact same thing, right? Both of you believe. But but that Anybody watching this is. going this is a very valid point. Both. of you believe that you are something. that you are not, and you have gone. through extremities to live as something. that you are not. You're not But this is. a costume, and that's my point. What. exa- Everything you are saying to Rachel. Dolezal, you could say to yourself, right? Rachel Dolezal could share a.

story Let me just give this out. Rachel. Dolezal could share a story and say, "You know, from a time I I a kid, when I. was four, my mom looked down at me and. said that you were showing. characteristics of being black. And then. when I was in school, everyone was like, "Rachel, kind of like, you know, one of. the black girls.". kind of big, too, right? Yeah, Rachel. was kind of big. I That's what I'm. saying. I remember. No, no, no, I do. I. like I like talking. You got to you know, you look like a. black girl. And then next thing you. know, Rachel at 17 years old was going to.

Christian school and was like, "You know. what? I'm ready to do the first thing.". And so Rachel Rachel went and got her. hair cornrows. she was mixed. She got her hair cornrows. She said she. was mixed. And then she started wearing. the the makeup, getting tanned, all this. stuff. And then next thing you know, Rachel Dolezal fully believed. And so. I'm out here like, "Justice for Rachel. Dolezal." Because if you're out here. saying that you're a woman, then Rachel. Dolezal has every right to be a black. person. And the reason why Rachel. Dolezal, that case study makes you. uncomfortable, is because it hits at the. truth. It hits at an objective reality, which is that you cannot just say.

because you're willing to get surgery or. because you're willing to do your hair. certain way or that you're or that. you're willing to wear makeup that you. are something that you're not. Now, that. said, I don't have an issue. Like, there's nothing that you're doing. I. think this is where like it gets mixed. up where people pretend there's some. attack happening or we're saying that, you know, you need to be put into camps. No, I think actually you're very nice. person. You're just not a woman and. you're never going to be a woman. But. you. that. But I know that. Right, exactly. all I wanted to make that point. But. people weaponized that. See, people.

people love being like, "You're not a. woman." And I'm like, "Yeah, cool. Great. point. I agree." And then where did they. go? Cuz see, they're weaponizing it. because they want to put us down. Like, "You're not a real girl. You never will. be." Yeah, I'm aware. I have a mother. and three sisters. Like, I'm well aware. And I'm okay with that. And I love the. way I am. And even with Rachel, to go. back to your point, if Rachel wants to. be that way, go ahead, girl. Get your. life. That's what I'm saying. But see, so it's not me being. contradictory. Because the question was. is yes, I feel she's costuming. But.

girl, get your life. If you want to do. that, do it, but it always comes back to. us being delusional, but we're not. We. know we're not biological women, so it's. cool. And that's And that's see now we can all. be friends. of. it. I want to ask you a question cuz cuz I. actually find your energy like you know, like I feel like you're a strong woman, you're wise, you're intellectual, and I. actually get good energy off you. I'm. like an energy kind of gal, and I want. to ask you in I know it's only been a. short time, but us conversing and you.

know, I can tell you're listening when. I'm talking about my upbringing and. stuff. Do you see me as like a woman, a. trans woman, and stuff, or do you see me. as like he and like a costume? I think. that you're wearing a costume. Okay. And. And do you see me as a boy, or do you. see me as a trans woman? I mean I just feel. side? I just think that we've adopted. these words. I think that you have. gender dysphoria. Right. You feel. happier in this body. meaning physicality cuz obviously you've. listened. Any person I could get re-gendered. I.

mean makeup. Oh, no way, right? No, no, but I'm I'm saying like you. know, I you could Have you seen X-Men? I. mean Charlize Theron the makeup I'm more. asking about my I'm more asking about my. physicality, but even without makeup. like I can get photos and send you with. me with no makeup, no editing, whatever. I'm more meaning like in the sense cuz. this is also a huge topic that and in um. the trans community we call it um being. real or being passable. Those are just. like street languages, and um you know, it it doubles back to the fact that I.

don't sit on a couch at a restaurant or. at a bus stop or whatever and be like. trans or whatever. I actually pass as a. biological female. So then it becomes my. responsibility to every day educate. people that I am trans, and that's. usually out of respect because I like to. be honest with men. I don't like to you. know, deceive anyone or lie or whatever, but my thing is is if we were having a. conversation and it wasn't about this. and we were just vibing, or if I went to. your church and stuff, Like you're not looking at me as like a.

boy or like glam Ryan glam. Well, if to. be fair I I since I knew you were coming. here I feel like it's not a fair. question to ask because but to be clear. there are tons of especially today uh. you could literally look at somebody on. the internet and never know that they. lived as the opposite sex. And that's that it or they were born um. as as the sex that they're not. presenting rather is the best better way. to say it. But to me. I I don't know like for me I think that.

it's just dishonesty. Do you know what I. mean? If you're not being on If you're not. being on. Like one time and I never told nobody. this. But I put on a wig one time, right? Y'all. And so when I put on the wig. because I was trying to get into this. other character. So I put on the wig, I. looked in the mirror and I went, "Oh my. god." And I was attracted to me. Y'all. So I took the wig off. Ryan is the key. And I went "What just. happened?". He was in character. I didn't know what. happened but I was like.

though. Cuz I had it on and I went like. that cuz it was in my it was in my um. eye. So I went like that and I took it. off because I was attracted to me. Y'all. And and I love me but I didn't know I. love me like that. Like I look good. So I never did it. again. Okay, I'm so happy that that you shared. that. Yeah, I don't know why but I felt. like it's good to just be vulnerable. here. But yeah, that's what happened to. me. This is a safe space. Yeah, thank. you. And I I want to I I. think you would make a gorgeous woman. No, I just liked me. I was like, "Damn.".

And then I went, "Oh, that's me.". I think one of the things that when when. conservatives are speaking with people. on this issue and people think that it's. so hardcore and some of the I guess. belligerence that I think. people are sensing and there is a. belligerence there and the belligerence. is coming from the fact that what used. to be a very small minority of people. who were suffering from gender dysphoria. has now been mainstreamed and it's. become a social contagion and I feel. particularly responsive to it because I. did sit down with a person named Briana.

I don't know if you had time to watch. this um interview that I did. Briana is. still. identifies as transgender. He was very. kind. He and I sat down and he. basically reached out to me because he, like you, decided to go through with the. procedure. Things went very wrong. Um. yeah. Oh yeah, and everything went. wrong. Um yeah, and at the end of the. day Briana realized he was just a gay. guy and basically fell into the trap of. meeting seeing people online, seeing. these shows that were produced who made.

them think it was going to be this easy. thing and you were going to be happier. on the other side when the majority of. the people actually aren't. We know for. a fact that um suicide rates increase. after transitioning, which they don't. share. And so it feels to me and. especially and I can actually see you, Ray J, because you're presenting a show. here and you're going to contribute to. this culture of people thinking, just. like Briana Ivy did, that this is just. oh this is a decision that's going to be. super easy and this is just actually who. you are and this is who you were born. and this is who you can be and that to.

me is just such a demonstrable lie and. it's a lie that's hurting children. You. know, if children are wanting to be like. Ray J and thinking that this is cool and. I'm going to hang out with some trans. people and it's going to be dope and. they're having their entire lives, like. that was the only time I almost cried on. my show was when Briana was just boohoo. crying sharing how deformed he is, how. he wish he had heard voices like mine. saying like you need to wait because you. are going down a path and you're paying. attention to culture, which is just.

trying to sell you the new cigarette. right? And listen to the education that. like hopefully now we can provide. We. have the Gage Agency. We have Gayd RP R. I have a Ray Pride, which is a C3. And. and I think we have the Girls Club. And. I think it's just having these. conversations where people who are. straight and people who are gay, people. who are trans, they could all just sit. down and just just talk it through, right? As you watch that, you start to. understand and get educated on a lot of. different things and I think that's the. most important is being able to have.

these conversations with different. people who have different opinions and. different perspectives on life, coming. together and we're able to have this. debate and these understandings and even. if the first two or three debates don't. go right, the fifth one might. You know, the sixth the sixth or seventh one. might. As long as we give each other. time because everybody's here now. Everybody's and everybody's strong. The communities are strong, you know, the LGBTQ is extremely strong and.

they're supportive and they're down to. support people who are willing to. understand. Same with the straights and. I say the straights now because I've. been right, it's the you know, the. straights, right? And you know, um. Um and that's just because I've been in. both worlds a lot lately and I feel. good. I feel good that we're all able to. talk. I feel good that we're able to sit. and have this debate without it going. way to the left or way to the right. Right. Um and I think we need more we. need more of this. Yeah, and I want to.

double on his point as well because Ray. doesn't even understand sometimes as you. know, he's the CEO of Tronix and Ray's. just going to be Ray, but he doesn't. understand the power and impact in a. positive way he has on us because we're. able to be very hands-on with this. network and show and we're able to come. around and have access to someone like. Ray that's a producer that most people. in cars just do it and get turfed or you. know, it's like shows over, see you. later. We've been able after the show.

has wrapped to be able to have intense, personal, private, whatever. conversations with Ray and really talk. about real things. Like I've. I mean, my experience is I I I can't. believe I can't talk about everything. Yeah, some loud things that I think we. can continue to elaborate on. as we all grow together. Yeah, and I. wanted to make a point as well that we. don't sit there and get told what we. want to hear. Some of these. conversations are hard to have. Um, there might be disagreements. Sometimes. people, not saying Ray, but might say.

something offensive. So, it's not them. just sitting in the room telling us. trans girls what we want to hear. And. you know, and I had a lot of things that. I had things that happened to me that. that that shocked me and that y'all. helped guide me through that we can. elaborate on later cuz that's another. and I don't want to I don't want to go. too viral. But, um, you know, um, but. you know, it it is it is always good to. be able to talk and disagree, agree, and. it's not intensely uncomfortable, but.

it's fun. And I think um, there's a just. a level of respect and you having us on. today just speaks volumes on like, you. know, you and what you represent and how. you giving us the opportunity to to talk. and and and debate and get an. understanding cuz a lot of people, you. know, listen to you. A lot of people are. supportive of the trans community, the. gay community, and together. bridging the gap at least just for. mutual understanding um, and respect.

from all sides is really strong and it. really it really breaks it open the. door. I always think being respectful is. super important and I'm grateful that. you guys respect that, you know, my. opinions haven't changed on the issue. and one of the biggest reasons which I. wanted to communicate to you from the. conservative community and why we feel. like we have to be. so strong on And that the conservative. community meaning the straight community. or just the conservative community or. conservative politically conservative. And the reason why this matters so much,

especially deeply for those of us who. have kids and see what's happening in. the school system, is because at the. moment that you [clears throat] say that. there is no objective reality, everything becomes possible. And some. people hear that and they're like, "Yay, Disney world, everything becomes. possible." But the reality is is that if. you say there's no such thing as a male. and there's no such thing as a female. and anybody can decide what they are. when they want. They can say, "I'm a. different race. I'm transracial. You. know, I I'm transsexual. I'm. transgendered." Then at eventu-. eventually and very quickly we will wind.

up at people saying that and there have. been examples of this, people saying. that they're actually a different age. So you have a 60-year-old man, but it's. not funny cuz this is real. But you This. is real. You have a 60-year-old man who. is saying that he self-identifies as a. 13-year-old and these people go and they. commit acts of pedophilia. This has. happened, right? places and they have places where they. go and be babies and they like. Right, exactly. So and this is real. So. this is and this is all going to get. added onto the LGBT.

people like that because I've heard that. in different statements and once again, it's like crazy that as a trans person. under the umbrella, I'm just lumped with. these people because But maybe that's. their perception. I get that you don't but it is, ideologically speaking, the same thing. If we don't say that there is an. objective reality, it would actually be. better if a trans person said, "I accept this is actually a mental.

disorder. I don't want to say to people. Cuz by the way, people have other mental. disorders. Bipolar. People have this. Is there another word can I say besides. mental disorder? But because it is some. it is because this is But I don't think. this is triggering. I don't know why. suddenly people are so triggered by. this. It's your mental and something is. out of order. it's not real, Ken. But it's not People. are. People don't like to eat food because. they want to be Just give me 1 second. Let me just get through this, okay? It.

is It is, right? So there can be people, that's right who have body dysmorphia. That is a mental disorder. You have. people who are anorexic. I used to have. anorexia. I had a mental disorder, okay? I was tiny, okay, and I was doing it as. a control mechanism. I was very happy. In fact, the only way to actually get. better was to accept that this is a. mental disorder, okay? I don't have an. issue with that term. I don't think it's. a problem because at varying points in. people's lives, your mental can get out. of order. The issue when you don't. acknowledge that it is a mental disorder. and you instead just insist that like.

this is a normal thing and people are. born this way means it becomes. impossible to attack that person. Ideologically speaking, if you start. making laws and saying this is real, then that guy who says, "I'm 63 years. old and I believe it I am 12 on the. inside. I never grew up. This is who I. am. Peter Pan sent me to Neverland." And. he molests a another girl and he goes. into the courtroom and he says, "No, I'm. 13. Objective reality is what I feel, right? It's how I feel on the inside and. I actually, your honor, feel that I'm. actually 16." It's the law. Now, here's.

a question. But, here's a question. But, this is why. we have to be a guard and this is I'm. speaking out on behalf of conservatives. We have to be a guard and we have to say. objective reality exists, okay? Objectively speaking, bipolar, it's a. disorder. Anorexia, it's a mental. disorder. Transgenderism, body. dysmorphia is mental disorder. These are. all mental disorders, right? And there. are there are. a mental disorder. Being trans is not a. mental disorder. So, we have to stick to. the facts. It is not anorexia and.

schizophrenia is not. they're skinny, you say that's you have. a mental disorder, I got a good. question. and you but you're saying that you are a. male, you believe you're a woman and. that's not a mental disorder. I'm just being specific. Trans and. anorexia. mental disorder and not mental disorder. The APA. You only have to ask the APA. These are trained psychiatrists. And I. understand that conservatives will want. to say that's to fill an objective, but. at the end of the day it is what it is. Well, they just updated that manual.

in the last couple of years. Yes, exactly because it was it was. but no, but it was misinformation. and conservatives in the past have. they'll update that same manual and they. will say that minor-attracted people, which is a term that they're tossing. around now cuz they're saying it's. offensive to call them pedophiles and we. should instead call them minor-attracted. people. Someday they're going to push to. update the manual then, which is why I. insist on being a guard against that. And that's illegal and I don't want that. attached to anything to, you know, what. LGBT people. feel about that? Talking about people.

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I want to say. Damn, I had something good I wanted to. say. I feel like. I want to know this. This is a good. question. How many people in the world. are suffering from some kind of mental. disorder? Is it majority of the world? Is it 89%? 93%? 43%? 2%? Right? That I. will understand where we all are. mentally, right? Because sometimes.

you'll have it this phase and you'll get. out of it this phase, right? Like you. said, you had a phase you went through. and now you're you're out of it, right? How many people in the world are. statistically. suffering from a mental disorder? Because I think that's how we'll. respect the word mental disorder as. opposed to. um your perspective in life. It just. means that your your mental your mental. is out of whack. But how many people in this world are.

going through that? I mean, we have we. probably won't be able to figure it out. now, but that's a very good question. Because that will give us a a good scope. on people's perception of what a mental. disorder is. I I I I generally don't say that to be. triggering. I I like I said, I. No, I'm fine with it. It just sometimes. it triggers I'm fine. I've had mental. I've been mental I've been mental. disordered from the beginning, right? You know, I think it's I think it's I. think it's triggers I think it triggers. you because you've gotten it your whole.

life and it's. a trigger, but my point is is that I. have to represent not only myself, but. the community to put out the information. out there that's factual. And I know. you're a boss with that. You're all. about the facts. The facts are that it's. not a disorder. And we got to do a poll. But I understand that some people's. opinions I get it. But I just think that. when when people see this and obviously. the internet will internet, but when. they hear you call Rachel Dolezal, like. that's crazy. When they hear you say. like, oh, the idea of identifying as a. different age is crazy, but then you. being like, but this No, I don't want to.

I want to I want to be very specific. with my words. I don't want you to be. specific No, but I'm very specific with. my words. you to be I want you to give us I want. you to give us time to go back and. analyze the question in its entirety. because as I've done my study I've as. I've I've done I've studied a lot of. things that I've seen, right? That. question is a very very. last question of all that kind of likes. puts the wall up on.

on. a wall. It's just telling you that it. doesn't make sense. That's it, right? And that's what So you feel like it's a. wall because you're like, "Oh wait, suddenly I realize this doesn't make. sense." And then and it's just a. slippery slope and now we can end up a. pedophile. question. Yeah, it's a great question for a reason. because it it instantly lets you. realize, "Hey, we have there is such a. thing as an objective truth." And if you. cannot be ideologically consistent, then. your idea makes no sense. That's. But it's still it's still a layer. it's a layer of. race. Black. A person who just thinks that. they're a race does not make them so.

A person who thinks that they're a. gender does not make them so. Both can. play dress-up. Can I make a point? You. brought up Rachel Dolezal. And I think we need to go back and like. analyze the question a lot more. And. let's I let us dissect the question. It's a very. It's a very powerful question. [laughter] But I I think that that's. interesting that that's brought up that. the you know, they're going to jump on. that, but I know what I said on camera. So that's fine. They can say what they. say, but it's just an Islamic question. But you see Rachel for that, but I never. called her crazy. And I always was. respectful that if she wants to live.

that, that's her choice. By the way, we. all feel that way, but they will hear. you say that she is not black. And then. here and then hear you say, "But I am a. woman.". What happened Hold on because I said I'm. not a biological woman. That's fine. That's fine. And she's not. a biological black person, but neither. of you are. You're you're both. I'm identifying as woman. I got a lot of white friends as well. I'm earning what I am. So that theory. doesn't work. If I was sitting here. saying that I was biological woman, I.

feel like I would fit in her category. And that's the truth. think she said she was a biological. black person. No, that's what the whole. statement was that she was telling. everyone from the city that she was. Yeah, yeah, you could be in a it could. be in a. black neighborhood or it could be in. like a cultural neighborhood like we. grew up in. She has been embedded in the community. and and she has been crowned and she has. been she has been blessed and. she just came out and said I'm. transracial and then lived as a black. person, then you would say we're the. same. No, because for me, I own that I'm not a.

biological woman and that I'm a trans. woman. So, that's why I feel like so. many people take harm from it. respectfully because there hasn't been. chats like this before where people like. me have spoken out and said that. And. that's going to gag people. because people are like, "Oh, I didn't. know that. I thought you go around. saying you're biological." And that's. the point that I'm trying to make. Everything is so specific and when you. start lumping it into terms and into. categories, it doesn't work like that. That's not life. We have to be specific.

with different people in different. scenarios. Me and next to the next trans. girl, we might not meet eye to eye at. all and you might be like, "I can. understand you, but I don't understand. what they're saying cuz it's just out of. field.". This is a This is a great debate because. we're actually talking it through. And I. think there's so many there's so much. more of it that needs to happen. Like. this is a continuous thing that needs to. happen. We would love to do a monthly. week like a weekly. tell us, Rajee, just so we can wrap this. up. And by the way, I do think this has. been a very constructive conversation. and I I feel at the very least respected.

in the fact that you recognize that you. and I are not the same. And that and I. will tell you of But we are the same. We're all humans. Yeah, we're all. humans. Well, you know what I mean by. that. I feel I feel that that's a huge. issue that a lot of women have where. it's like I can just tomorrow decide to. be you and I'm like, I have like I'm a. woman. respect you and honestly, I'm so glad I. came because I feel like when the. cameras are off and when you're just. vibing and having a chat, I know just. even by the look in your eyes, I know. like you can kind of get it and I get. it. But the thing is, we can also agree.

to disagree and there's things that. we're just not going to meet eye and. eye. But it's This is why when you have. a debate and when you have a. conversation, you have to be specific. and I might not be eye to eye today, but. tomorrow's a new day. Yeah. Maybe you. could mentor me in a few days. Maybe I. could teach you a I think you're and I. think you're very kind and you're. seriously like and and and brave to come. on here and have this conversation where. most just talk trash on the internet and. haven't thought about it. No, don't be. nice. I've been like I'm super nice. That's very That's very sweet. maybe they tell us about the show and.

closing tell us about the show that. Danielle's going to be on. Yes. Well, the show is out now. It's on. a new It's on our new streaming. platform. It's called Tronics Network, t. r o n i x network, and it's called The. Gworls Club. I don't I'm not good at. saying the gwo the gwo The Gworls Club. You know, the gworls spelled g w o r l. s. Um and it has this little like, you. know, swing to the way you're saying it, The Gworls Club. I just kind of keep it. bland, but um it's a it's a really. powerful show, and um.

it's one of our shows that we've really. took time to make sure everybody's story. is told correctly. Um you know, our our. goal on this new network is not to. benefit off the demise of the drama, right? It's really to uplift the talent, uplift the creators, and inside of this. dramatic world we live in, you you know, you kind of just follow um just follow. the story, and it's a really I mean, the. ladies on this show are just like I'm so. happy that we're having this debate us. because um.

you know, we all listen to each other, and we all try to understand what each. other's saying. Whether we agreed or. disagreed, some of the other talent. might have went all the way into another. world, but. that's because they didn't see this. You're now watching this. Yeah. Um we'll. just give people a an insight on how to. debate, um and and and really just try. to like get people to understand. different perspectives, and and you've. given us that opportunity. And where can. people find you, Danielle? Um on. Instagram @daniellealexis,

and that's Danielle with two eyes. Okay. Well, guys, I just want to say thanks. for tuning in for this conversation and. if you go and you want to find Danielle, always be respectful. You know what we. believe here on the show is in radical. free speech. Let the best ideas win. We. don't believe in denigrating people and. calling them names. That is immediately. means that you've lost the argument. Would love to hear your feedback in the. comments and we will see you guys for. another episode soon. [music].