LIVE With Victor Marx: What Did He Know About 9/10? | Candace Ep 341

All right, you guys, happy Tuesday. At. least we hope it's going to be a happy. Tuesday. We all have our fingers crossed. for Thomas Massie down in Kentucky. Let's go, Thomas Massie. We'll see what. happens. We got to start today with some. sad news, some very sad news this. morning because we are still being. ghosted by the White House. I don't know. why. It seems very weird. White House. press team does not want to respond. about that email. Is it real, yes or no? I'm hurting. I slept with Brigitte. Bardot last night. That's what I do when. I'm having a really bad day. It's okay,

though, because what we've done is we. have since filed an FOIA request for the. relative White House Correspondents. Dinner emails. I think we're going to get lucky. Anyway, for today, we're not going to. focus on that. Instead, we are going to. bring you a conversation with the man, the myth, the legend, Victor Marx, gubernatorial candidate for Colorado. A. fascinating guy, right? You got to just. admit, he's fascinating. Another, dare I say, troubled faith. leader tied to Turning Point USA. I.

mean, this could be the dawn of a new. series, Fantastic Pastors and Where to. Find Them. Welcome back to Candace. >> [music]. >> Okay, so we're not exactly burying the. lead. As I said, today we are going to. be joined by Victor Marx, Colorado's.

gubernatorial candidate. But I want to. at first provide you with the refresher. about who he is and why I am interested. in him. So, uh Victor Marx is very much. a part of the Turning Point Faith orbit. He is apparently extraordinarily close. to Erica Kirk, right? So much so that he. was the first that we could find to. publicly announce that Charlie Kirk had. passed away on September 10th, um on social media. I believe it was on. Instagram. It was an hour and a half.

before the president of the United. States made the announcement, even. though he has since deleted that. Instagram post. We then know that when. Erica came home after bringing back. Charlie's body in a casket aboard Air. Force 2, Victor Marx and his wife Eileen. were among the small circle of people. who were. welcomed into Erica's home to comfort. her and to take photos of the grieving. widow. Eventually, those photos were. shared on the internet.

I am also informed that he presented her. with a bulletproof car, transportation. He alluded to that in the Instagram. post, getting her home, providing. transportation to keep her and her. children safe. We can ask him about. that, and shortly thereafter, Victor. Marx announced that he was running for a. governor of Colorado, a calling that he. felt came from God in the wake of. Charlie's assassination. But who. actually is Victor Marx? I'm getting. old, you're getting old. Our memory is.

fuzzy. Let me give you a little bit of a. recap. I've already told you his real name is. Von Victor Kennedy. That's his birth. name, at least. And he has told a lot of stories about. his childhood, namely surrounding his. stepfather, Gloyce Dean Kennedy. Abuse. that he says that he endured at the. hands of Gloyce, which that abuse began. when Victor was just 3 years old. I'll. show you more about what he says about. that in a bit. What we do know about his stepfather is. that Gloyce did serve in the army doing.

counterintelligence. He then pled guilty. to a conspiracy to running an an. international drug smuggling ring, marijuana out of Jamaica. Victor's. brother, Mike Kennedy, also pled guilty. as a co-conspirator, but he took a plea. deal in exchange for testifying against. his. his stepfather. Victor Marx's biological dad was Karl. Marx. What a name. He was a pimp, a drug. dealer, and a world-famous martial arts. expert. I am told Victor Marx is in fact.

very good at martial arts, by the way. Um now, in turn to his biological. father, his biological father spent time. in a mental hospital for homicidal. tendencies, uh something that Victor. Marx has expressed that he has. experienced as well or during during a. period of his life. Victor's grandfather, I told you, killed. his grandmother. So, his grandfather killed his. grandmother in a public murder-suicide.

Uh you're going to hear about Victor. Marx's life, some highlights I would. say. Age 3, beheaded a cat. Age 7, Victor Marx killed his first person. because his stepdad he told him to. By. the time he was 17, he had lived in 17. homes and attended 14 schools, was. involved with drugs, fights, and theft. in high school. At 18, Victor joined the. Marine Corps, served for 2 years before. he was discharged. At 21, he says he. found Jesus and he started attending.

Calvary Chapel Church, my favorite. church. Fave. Right, 10 out of 10. Calvary Chapel. Church, definitely the pastors. At 23, Victor married his wife Eileen, Eileen Brining Marx, and they went on to. have five kids and grandkids. In 2003, um he and his brother began All. Things Possible Ministries. In 2023, Eileen's brother, Kenneth Brining, tried. to shoot Victor Marx on Victor's.

property. Fortunately, Victor survived that, but. Eileen's brother would go on to kill his. own girlfriend. Not really sure what's. going on with this family, but it's a. lot. Like I said, he announced his candidacy. for governor of Colorado on October 1st. So, that's the reason why his background. is now being called into question. It's. quite mysterious and. he began teasing that run at memorial. service for Charlie Kirk just 4 days. after Charlie's death. So, by the way,

you don't have to take these. biographical items from me. You can also. hear Victor Marx. He has not been shy. about sharing his story. Take a listen. to him. tell about how he grew up. I remember sitting on the ground with my. arms still tied to the bed post. And then he brought a. an animal in, a dead cat. And he had a knife and he said "I want. you to cut the head off this cat.".

And I was I'm I was terrified. And he said, "If you don't, I'll cut. your head off.". So, >> At 3:00? Yeah, about 3:30. I used the knife, cut the cat's head. off. And then he put the carcass on my head. and blood dripped down on me. So, that was the first really memory. that I have of. what would be the beginning of a lot of. abuse. My step father, he put one hand. on my wrist. He and he put his finger over my trigger. finger.

And then he pushed and I pulled. And. um. I shot the guy in the head and it killed. him. And he shoved him in the hole and he. buried him. He wrapped the pistol with a. handkerchief. And he said, "If you ever tell anybody. what I've done,". he said, "I know where this body is.". And he said, "I'll tell the police. it's your fingerprints on this pistol.". And he says, "They'll arrest you.

They'll put you in prison.". But I remember being at a morgue again. wrapped to a chair. and watching them dismember. a corpse. And. then watching them burn it and. And I've dealt with thousands of demons. now, thousands. Easily. I've had demons speak to me. through people. Had one. just her saying, "I'm effing I will. effing kill you. I will murder you." I'm. I'm like, "Shut up. No, you won't.

You're being judged right now. Stop using this man's voice. Over 100. missions complete. Uh with trauma care. help over 45,000 women children. And. Jane, because of our access. and our relationships with the special. operations community in the IDF, they took us into places no one could. go. And they showed us things that. uh Hamas and many Palestinians would say. is just propaganda or a lie.

I'm like, "Yeah." Yeah. >> him hold a grenade for his birthday. This guy's trying to kill me. If he. comes out of the trailer and he takes. that corner, I'm going to kill him. Please prepare yourself. And I remember her going, "What?". They diagnosed me with bipolar 2. ultra-rapid cycler and put me on a lot. of meds. There wasn't any help or hope. beyond that. I was just spinning. Suicidal, homicidal. On the medications. I was I was suicidal. and probably more homicidal.

Now, I would be remiss if I didn't also. add that Victor Marx is very much. involved in human trafficking charity. all around the world because all of Eric. Herschtal's friends are as I've. mentioned on this show. It just seems to. be one of the running themes. Anyway, as you know, we hosted Corby. Hall who claimed that Victor Marx was. doing some deals or attempting to do. some deals on behalf of the IDF. He. never said those deals were illegal, uh. just that he declined to participate in. them. Buying trying to buy 50,000 guns.

for the IDF. We'll ask Victor Marx about. that. Um. now, his relationship Victor Marx's. relationship with the IDF is not a. matter of opinion, it's a matter of. fact. As you just heard him speak about. it, we have also confirmed that Victor. Marx conducts this {quote} "retooling". prayer where he claims that he is able. to summon demons into a room out of a. person's body. on more than. just Corby Hall and his wife, on other. people as well. In fact, I am told that.

he was once conducting such prayers. at the Turning Point USA headquarter. office. So, that's an interesting thing. And this is odd because Victor Marx is. not a pastor, actually. He's claimed to be a pastor throughout. the years, according to many people. Proof of that exists on his own website, by the way. Um, that it used to say that. he was a husband, a father, a US Marine, a pastor, but that has since been. quietly removed.

Now, Corby Hall, you should know, is one. of many people who have accused Victor. Marx of abuse. Now, when these. allegations tend to arrive, Victor Marx. always rebuts them with the same line, that the person making the allegations. is troubled. That he was just trying to help them or. rescue them from themselves. Corby Hall, he has said, has mental issues. Um, there are other people outside of. Corby Hall. For example, a young woman. named Holly Chalmers or Chalmers. accused him of kidnapping her across.

state lines and of exploiting her. Victor Marx claims that he was actually. rescuing her from her pedophile. boyfriend. Um, this is what she had to say in her own. words. Take a listen. What do you want our listeners to know. about Victor Marx, the man that you. believe that he is, and the experience. that you had with him? I believe that he's a trafficker. himself. That's interesting, cuz that's a. question we've been asking on this show,

all of these trafficking charities, what. are they involved in themselves? I don't. I I don't know. Anyway, Victor Marx's own son wrote a. letter to the board on a company that. Victor was a part of accusing his father. of abusing both him and his sister. Victor Marx's daughter made multiple. social media posts confirming that he. was in fact an abusive father despite. her not having wanted the information to. be publicized in the first place. Here's.

a sample of what she wrote on social. media. She wrote, "On April 26th of this. year, a letter was sent to my dad's. board sharing detailed events revealing. that I experienced abuse at the hands of. my father for many years and that there. needed to be accountability and. financial restitution was being. recommended. I had no idea about this. letter and I would even do a lie. detector test to prove that. There was. zero intention of the letter and the. private matters to be made public. That. was even stated in the letter. My. parents did not handle this letter well. and immediately requested the requests.

in the letter to be retracted or there. would be {quote} consequences. My dad's. CEO reached out to me after my father's. request for this to be retracted. offering me $55,000. as essentially be quiet money. I. declined the offer and requested that we. all do intense family therapy and. intervention. Now to be clear, she eventually is going. to recant many of these allegations, but. her friends privately emailed this show. and asserted that no, she was telling.

the truth about her father and her. upbringing and that it was only due to. financial pressure and control that. Victor Marx whole apparently allegedly. holds over her life in the wake of her. divorce from her husband that she is. singing a different tune publicly. I. cannot confirm that. We do not We're not. speaking to his daughter today. We're. speaking to Victor Marx. We can only confirm that abuse. allegations tend to follow Victor Marx. both at home and abroad. Now we have also been contacted, I. should say, by families of by family.

members of Victor Marx himself, who. claimed that his entire backstory, stuff. he is saying about his stepfather, simply is not true. He was not forced to kill anybody, that. there are no bodies in the backyards of. their farms, and that his stepfather, Gloyce, was. indeed a crazy man, but that he did not abuse those kids. Fortunately, like I said, we will be. joined by Victor Marx himself. when we get back from break. All right, you guys, some moments change. everything, and for a woman facing an. unexpected pregnancy, seeing her baby on.

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It's for USA residents only. All right, you guys, let's bring in. Victor Marx. Victor Marx, welcome to the. Candace Show. How are you doing? I'm. doing good, Candace. And thank you for. joining me. I'm sorry that I missed your. message that came back to me on I think. it was April 22nd. I know we were. pinging over Instagram, but I'm glad. that you could join us today. I'd like. to guide this conversation sort of in. order, meaning starting a little bit. with your background. I think I have a. lot of questions about some of the.

stories that you've shared, and I did I. was able to speak to some of your family. members, and they seem to have some. questions about some of the biographical. items that you share. So, just beginning with I think sort of. the inflection points, this story about. beheading a cat and wearing its head at. the age of three. I mean, it's not an. easy thing to behead a cat. I was. >> [laughter]. >> I have a lot of toddlers. Do you stand by that? Well, let's start with I think what's. most relevant right now are the latest.

accusations by your last guest, Corby, which is I think what brought us. together on this whole issue. In what we're going to discuss in the. time I'm giving you. uh freely to talk about some things, Are you willing to admit when you're. wrong or you've been misguided? Uh so, Victor, just you know, you're on. my show, I'm not on yours. So, I'm going. to guide the conversation. I said I'm. happy to speak about Corby. Um there are. there are broader concerns actually, the.

way that my highest interest in you is. obviously as it relates uh to Charlie. Kirk and your involvement with Turning. Point USA. I I I I realize that. Yeah, so I mean we can speak about Corby, but. you're uh you know, this isn't this. isn't your stage. So, respectfully, I do. want to You are running for governor, so. I think your biography is important. Uh. obviously, the Corby Hall stuff is. important, and if something is wrong, we're happy to correct it. We did invite. you to come on the show with Corby, which we asked you to do because that. made the most sense because you guys.

could rebut each other face-to-face. You. declined to do that, so Corby had the. stage for himself, and I could not offer. a rebuttal because I wasn't there for. the conversations. Um. >> Right. The main [clears throat] thing is. I want to start with your biographical. items. Do you stand by that that story. at Turning Point USA? >> Kimberly, we have to start with what. brought me here, which is Corby. And I clearly communicated to you and. your staff, do not have him on, do your. research because he's unstable. And the.

very person that platformed him for you, Corey, has filled out a statement both. with local authorities and FBI that he. is homicidal, and he told her and her. husband that he had plans to kill me. And she felt responsible for it being. filed, and your name was brought up as. he's aggravated, something about he. didn't get what he wanted out of your. show. But I need you to at least. acknowledge, did Corey contact y'all,

not Corby, but did Corey contact y'all. with the concerns of not platforming. Corby again? Well, you brought up a homicidal. That's. actually something that you just you. said in the clip that we just showed. that you yourself have had homicidal. thoughts. Do you still have homicidal. thoughts? Or is that a period in your. life? That was a long time ago and I'm. thankful I didn't. But currently, this. gentleman is being sought by the FBI and. El Paso County Sheriff Department who. admitted to Corey, the individual who.

platformed him on your show, that he was. struggling with homicidal thoughts and. he gave detailed plans on how he was. going to lay in wait to kill me. Are you and your staff familiar with the. show? So like I said, we can't rebut on. that. We received only a message from. Corey that she got a phone call from the. FBI and that they were investigating you. for gun running. Did she inform you of. this? I don't know. I would really like. to go back to the biographical items. though of your life. I don't want to get. into your background investigations. I.

was not contacted by the FBI. I can't. verify it and as I said, we can discuss. Corby's allegations, but I would like to begin with just. the cat. Uh. did you behead the cat at the age of. three? Do you stand by that story? Did. your team view social media as y'all are. a quasi investigative team by all your. allegations, did you see Corey's public. statement about what happened and how. this is very serious? They cannot locate.

this individual you platformed, Corby. Hall, and both his wife Victor, I I I. just have to rebut you here and say that. I I I don't necessarily trust what you. are saying given the fact that you don't. want to answer just basic biological. questions and after having spoken with. your family members who say that it's. largely made up, I have no reason to. believe anything that you're saying. right now. So I'd like to just kind of. focus on your character. We can talk. about Corby. I have nothing to do with. any pending investigations. I have not.

been contacted by law enforcement, so. I'm not interested in having a. discussion about information that I. don't have. >> Have you been con-. Candace, you seem to be a little afraid. of truth. And what I once thought was a. solid show years ago, you've turned this. into a TMZ and worse than TMZ, it's like. a team team new version of it. I'm. asking you, did your staff not see the. statement that Corey Kennedy posted. online? We're talking about a homicidal.

individual who has threatened to kill me. and your name was brought up in the last. >> I have answered your question. I have. not seen it, so I cannot have a. conversation with you about that. What I. can have a conversation with you about. is the statements that you have publicly. made since you are joining this show and. I would like to focus on your. biographical items because as I said, I've spoken with your family in. Martinsville and they claim that your. stories are fantastical. So, I'm just. asking you and we can then get into some. questions about the alleged gun sales.

that you were trying to conduct with. Corby, which is what we discussed on the. show and which we have seen evidence. for. I cannot speak to you about. something a report that I have not seen. that you claim is happening and I would. like to just kind of get you focused. here. >> you're running for governor I just. wanted that on the record. Thank you. Thank you. >> Candace, you just wanted that on the. record. Thank you. Thank you. Uh Corby is my number one. issue right now because authorities are. looking for. >> of Colorado? Corby is the number one issue right now.

who's homicidal and admitted he wanted. to kill me and how he was going to do. it. That's why authorities are looking. for him. But you missed the point of my. past statement. >> anything. that Victor Marx is saying. I have not. said it. I think he is using my platform. to potentially spin some tales. The only. thing that I heard was that there was an. FBI investigation that was looking into. you for guns and that's all I've heard. and I'm not interested in that. I would. like to now, since you have the stage. focus on you as a gubernatorial.

candidate and your background. And so, if I could go back to that yes or no. question, do you stand by this story. that you beheaded a cat at the age of. three? Of course I do. But we're happy to give. you the FBI's agent's name who is in. charge of the investigation to move to. here. Regarding my Marine Corps time, this is one of the most flagrant. misnumbers that you have that really. made us go, I don't think they're very. professional in their investigations. You claimed without a doubt that only.

served two years in the Marine Corps. Do. you stand by that? That was what we could find. I'm I'm. happy to edit that if you'd like to give. us an updated answer. Well, it's not just so much edit, it was. three years and it was on the DD-214. So you spread misinformation with great. confidence and said, "What was he. doing?" which shows a lack of. professionalism that y'all can't even. read a DD-214. So.

uh you know what, I'd appreciate an. apology from you on mis-. representing my service to the United. States when I served in the Marine. Corps. Will you offer me an apology for. that? >> I I think this was just sort of a. clerical error. That could just have. been It's not clerical. off right here. Like I said, you could come on the show. and we could talk about your biography, so Well, now you know the truth. some. emotional apology. It was just. >> emotional. You You misrepresented my. Marine Corps time. I would appreciate an. apology. I'm I'm not going to apologize.

to you for that. I think you're being. a little bit over the top. I We reported. to Believe me, veterans around the. country would stand with me. Veterans. don't like to be misrepresented, and you. are misrepresenting my time and service. in the Marine Corps, and you won't offer. an apology. The. entire veteran community will take note. of that. Thank you. No problem. We're just happy to correct. the error that we made. We said 2 years. and he says it's three.

Um that's not a big deal. >> says 3 years and it is a big deal, Candace. Don't minimize my military. service. Okay, I was not minimizing it. I legitimately thought it was two and we. stand corrected. >> apology. I'm I'm not going to apologize to you, Victor. I I I I sense that you are quite. arrogant and you're used to being in. control of people and doing things for. you. >> a I'm a I'm a I'm a true seeker. >> the I'm not that individual. >> who has just. uh lambasted innocent people.

uh as an internet bully, you're not used. to someone come on the show holding your. feet to the fire. I I my feet don't feel like they're held. to the fire at all. I think you're kind. of representing yourself as a little all. over the place and unable to just. present verbal and factual items as I'm. giving you the opportunity to do. I'm. asking questions. >> you so that we can have an honest. conversation and it's not another Teemu. TMZ approach. Okay, you've done that. cool line twice. Teemu, TMZ, I see you. had that ready to go in the chamber. Let's move on. Let's talk about your uh.

let's talk talk about your your. stepfather. Um you also claimed that you. you killed a man uh at the age of seven. because he instructed you to do that and. buried him in the backyard. Your family. disputes that neighborhood. They also. noted that there are no news stories. that would even back up that a man was. missing. It's quite a rural community, Martinville, Mississippi. If someone. went missing, it that that might have. been noticed. What was the name of the. >> Can you give us the name of the person. that you said that you walked in and. told the police that you murdered. however many years ago because your.

father forced you to? What was the name of the town you just. mentioned? That was rural. >> Mississippi. No, it's not. Where did you you didn't grow up in. Martinville, Mississippi? No, I did not. Where did you grow up? I think you could at least find that out. from reading my book or watching our. documentary. Would you like Would you. like to Did Did you Are you familiar. with Mississippi at all? Of course I am. Okay, am I getting the. name of the town wrong? Do you want to. just tell us as a as opposed to trying.

to uh do a a dunking on I. Where in Mississippi did you grow up? >> Ma'am, you're accusing me of a that I'm. not telling the truth on things. No, I'm. just saying that you said you murdered a. man, so if you could tell us what town. that was in, that'd be helpful. It's in interviews I've done, it's in. our documentary. And I'm telling you, if you can at least. get the town that I'm in, how can we. trust you with more information that.

you're bringing against me? >> is the homicide that was committed, so. we can we can scrap about the town later. if you don't want to say it. Uh are you. saying you you murdered a man anywhere. in the 50 states? Can you give us the. name of the man that you were forced to. murder? I didn't know who he was. You didn't. know who he was. Okay, and you walked into a police. station with this information and were. told it doesn't it doesn't matter. anymore. Is that correct? Is that your. assumption that I walked into a police. station? Where did you hear that? That you confessed to Well, the the.

reason why we know this information at. all is because you've shared it publicly. uh and said that they. >> Correct. O- O- Okay, so why don't you. re- re-share the story and what's. happened with that story since? >> Well, why don't you present it. accurately so I don't have to correct. you constantly? You know what I'm. saying? You know what I'm. >> It's not so that you can quiz me on your. background, but rather so that you could. just answer the questions and share the. story in its correct context with the. right city, so we don't have You don't. have to worry about misinformation.

because you have a platform right now. Go ahead. Well, Candace, I have a. platform without you. We have 4 million. followers, and listen, I've been on much. bigger programs than yours. I don't need. yours to clarify what we're doing, but. what you're doing is making slanderous. accusations that are incorrect at the. very basic level. So, no, I did not walk. into a police station. I called the. sheriff department and made the claim. many years later. Does that help? I'm. doing y'all's job for you.

>> you for being able to just answer. something and doing a quick fix there. Does not everything has to take 5. minutes. You called the sheriff's. department rather than walked into it. Thank you so much. >> Correct. Um and what happened after. that, Victor? Well, let me ask you this before I go. on. Have you ever been abused as a kid? Um. Have I ever Are you asking me if I've. ever beheaded a cat? No, I'm asking you. have you ever suffered physical or. sexual abuse as a kid?

Uh I I would say that uh it would be a. little bit more extreme if you say that. you murdered someone. Like I that's a. ex- extreme abuse versus people. >> not correct. But that's not what I asked. you. I asked you personally, have you. ever been physically or sexually abused. as a kid? I have not been I have No, I. have not suffered any [clears throat]. sexual abuse. I I am happy you have not. Now, what. we're entering into now, we must be very. careful. cuz what and who I represent are. millions of both kids and adults who've. suffered abuse.

And in no way do I want to make minimum. this or make it some type of. ratings for you. I've shared my story. as an adult regarding my childhood and. the abuse that I suffered from 3 to 7. years old. >> I'm hearing is that your family members. dispute it. So, it's not about a TV. moment. It's about me having spoken to. your family members who say that this. never happened. So, that is of interest. obviously because you. >> not really because. >> the governor of Colorado. So, this you. know, figuring out whether or not you. [clears throat] tell fantastical stories.

or whether or not you're able to tell. the truth is kind of important for. voters I would say. And I'm inclined to. think that you tell some whoppers uh. because the You're trying to make it. emotional and say, "Well, have you ever. suffered sexual abuse?" We're talking. about a homicide, okay? So, I don't I. don't know that there are many people. who can say that I had to kill someone. or behead a cat um when I was 7 years. old and bury the body in the backyard. That feels like an extreme example. Lots. of abuse takes place, sexual abuse takes. place. Um I've heard many of these.

stories. I I would like to This is. actually very important if this is an. unsolved crime. You don't know who this. man is. Uh where did this uh. I'd like you to just tell a little bit. more about what the sheriff said to you. when you called and said that you buried. the man in your backyard. >> though that you're claiming my family. members. from Martinville, Louisiana, claim this. never happened. I am 6 years old and. never once has my family refuted any of. this. As a matter of fact, my sister was. on my documentary film, The Victor Marc.

Story, which folks can watch. It's a. documentary on YouTube. And she actually. completely. solidifies the abuse because she went. through it. So did other family members. So, I'm not sure who you're talking to. and if you validated. >> I am not. I'm talking about Debbie. >> to? Debbie. My older sister. >> I did not speak with Debbie. So. So, Charmaine, if you spoke with.

Charmaine, she is my half sister who is. the daughter of the abuser, Gloria Dean. Kennedy. And I've tried to protect her because. she has children. I've tried to protect. the family that still carries. Kennedy's name out of just. um I I think caring for people. And my sister has struggled in her life. uh with things including.

you know, a fiance committed suicide. And it's sad that so much of our. problems stem from horrible abuse from. her blood biological father. So I'm. sorry about that. >> but also somebody could be missing a. relative that got murdered. Um so I do. think it is relative like to you running. for governor to know why a sheriff as. you tell it would decline to look into. the matter if someone was killed and.

buried in your backyard. Right. Right. here at Alyssa training center. We've. got members from ICAC, we've got. attorney general folks, we've got. vestigators, we've got analysts and. detectives that come here to our. training center for a retreat. We bring. people in. I work by and through them. with law enforcement. I have MOUs with. them. I. worked to become the man that I wish. someone had been when I was a kid to. protect me. Uh what I'm saying and when we talk.

about kids suffering abuse or in my case. abuse and then forced to shoot someone. Yes. I was older in life before I went to the. police because it's a horrific thing to. deal with. The reason why the it is a. cold case, it was 40 years old, we don't. know where the house is, we don't know. where he was buried, we don't know who. the victim was. And my grand my my father. it was my stepfather at the time, he was.

put in prison for unrelated charges to. murder but it was sadly. drug use and bringing it in. But. there's there's a cold case, they could. not find anything. At least I went to. them to clear my conscious cuz I I. suffered for years thinking that I'd. killed a person. So you you don't know where the house. is, you said, right? >> No. Oh no, I was brought there at night. I was 7 years old and I was forced to. lie in the back of a car.

And do you know what city it was in just. out of curiosity? Uh. there were two towns or sister towns, Mendenhall and McGee. It was in one of. those. Yeah, in Simpson County, Mississippi. Feel free to contact the. Sheriff's Department. Okay, thank you. I. I I wanted to know about this um. like who authorized you to be able to. uh. summon demons or exorcise demons? You. told many stories about uh confronting.

demons, demanding to know what their. names are. Where did you receive that. sort of training? Cuz you don't say. you're a pastor now. Is that right? >> I was in ministry and I tried being a. pastor, but I wasn't called to it. I was. called more to. be, I would say, a unique evangelist. that helped people around the world. Now, as we step into this realm of. spiritual warfare, I have to ask you, just for clarity so I know how to. communicate it best to you, uh are you a.

Christian or a believer in Christ? Yes. Do you believe the Bible to be the. inherent word of God? I just to. cut through what I think you're perhaps. getting at, um I. think you and I would probably have. different faith beliefs if if that's. what you are are interested in. Yeah, which which is fine. >> I think that you Is it fair to assume. that evangelical Calvary Chapel.

Are Are you evangelical? Is that. correct? I am a born-again believer in Christ. Okay. So, I'm Catholic. So, the idea of you. not being a priest and being able to. exorcise demons is something that I'm. interested in. Yeah. So, I would just. like to know who sort of granted you. that authority. When did you start doing. that? Yeah, well, you believe in good and. evil, right? Mhm. And do you believe that demons actually.

exist? Of course. And. for us and what I've studied in the word. and over the years is demons main focus. is to attack a human's mind through. lies. The Bible says that Satan is the. father of lies. And that's what often compels and then. drives people to do things they probably. would never do otherwise. I was very interested in this as a new. believer in the Marine Corps to find out. why are people so evil?

Why did such horrible things happen to. me as a kid? And the only way that I got a solid. world view is to understand good and. evil exist. And that is why Christ came to Earth. And then that through his word and what. he said and his death on the cross we. could be born again. We could be set. free uh from our old nature. Not we're. made perfect before God, but we still. have to live our life out and it's not. in perfection. But he gave us all authority. He said,

"I give you authority to trample. serpents, to cast out demons." And I. actually believe it. So, what really put. me in that place was my. uh I think my introduction to helping. kids who are in youth prisons who. struggled tremendously. Oftentimes killed who kids who had. killed, murdered, raped, tortured people. I dealt with some of. the most severe um cases. And why God. put me there, I don't know. He just gave.

me a love for them to bring them hope. And it was there that many of them asked. for prayer. And when I'd pray for them, they would often manifest demonic. influence or oppression. And the Lord taught me how to pray with. authority. I I go into detail about it. There's a film that we made that clearly. communicates what we believe our. position is in Christ, our authority is. in Christ, and how to set people free. And probably the difference between me. and maybe others that, you know, I've.

done stuff is there we don't charge. people to set them free. We do this out. of love. There's no financial benefit. for it, especially kids incarcerated. But I have over 6,000 letters. here in our headquarters of kids that. we've written, we've corresponded back. and forth, that really were helped in. this. So, while I believe in the the. power of Christ and the word of God, and. I appreciate the Catholic church and.

their hierarchy of who can and can't. um you know, pray for and do exorcisms. Um. I didn't have access to that, and I. started dealing with a lot of people, and I have over the years. You bring up. Corby and his wife, Melody. If you talk. to her, she says me praying for her, which. didn't take long. We're talking. 10, 15 minutes is the average time of. prayer. It's not dramatic. Nobody's. hurt. It It's There's not manifestation.

It's just using the power of Christ, praying for someone, and we love and. care for them because that's what Christ. does. >> that you can command the demons, and. that you can speak to the demons and ask. the demons what their names are and. things of that nature. >> Absolutely. It We're. >> you believe you can do that? I believe I can do what Christ did and. said we would do also. He was the one. that spoke directly to demons, told them. where to go. He's the one that asked him. their names. >> he's Christ. Yeah. Yeah. And he said,

"My followers would be able to even do. more than me." So, I'll tell you. um uh. I just believe it, and we've seen it. with thousands of people. And again, there's a film we encourage people to. watch. They can watch it for free. It's. the Unseen War. And churches use that. People of all faiths use that to. understand that there actually really is. power. And I've prayed for people who. are believers, non-believers, Muslims. It doesn't matter. Humanity is under.

assault and attack. >> to accept that that's your your. philosophy. Uh. but you also believe that you can. command angels. I believe that. angels are assigned to us and that we. can, by the authority of Christ, command. angels to help us in whatever we're. doing. I do believe that. In in in two. rooms, and you do this like prayer. circle, and you don't feel weird about. doing that and having people,

you know, bend down in front of you and. and say that you're commanding demons, calling their names. Does that feel. weird? >> Nobody bends down in front of me. No one. even has to close their eyes when we. pray. We record every session on audio. or video so that they can have it, so. there's no miscommunication. And. I don't know. You have to look at the fruit of what. happens, of people being set free, like. Corby's wife, Melody. She said she had.

struggled with thoughts in her mind, negativeness, since she was six. And. when I prayed for her, uh she said she. was set free. It saved her life. So, I. don't know how that could be so wrong. I could think of a lot of ways that it. could be wrong, but I I don't want to. debate your theology. I just want you to. have the opportunity to explain it, which I think you did. Uh I I do want to move on now to getting. into some Turning Point USA stuff. So, I. had heard from Turning Point USA people. uh that you also were doing prayers at.

the headquarters, like you had a room. where you would conduct some prayers. Is. that correct? I definitely prayed for a. couple of people there. Yeah, sure. Including Charlie. >> pray over Charlie and Erica Kirk in one. of these prayers? >> I prayed for Charlie. Yes, I did. He. asked me to. And did you do this sort of. a retooling angels demons sort of prayer. uh over him and Erica? Just Charlie. He asked me to. Okay. And they were they gave you an. office to do this. Is that right?

Uh I prayed for him in his office. And also other people at Turning Point. USA outside of Charlie? I think there. were three other people that I prayed. for that asked for that. Yeah. Okay. Uh how did you meet. Charlie and or Erica? Um I was speaking at an event at a small. Hispanic church in California. And Charlie was scheduled to speak and. the pastor asked me last minute. uh to speak. Uh I did. And it was before.

Charlie. He was a little aggravated that. there was another speaker before him cuz. it was a Sunday morning. And I I I knew. about Charlie but never met him. And. after I spoke, he spoke. And then we met. back in the little makeshift green room. And he said, "I never heard of you but. I'm absolutely. uh encouraged to hear your testimony and. what God's done in your life.". And he wanted me to have his number and. stay connected. So we did. That's how it. started.

>> And was that when he was already married. to Erica or was that a little bit. before? Yes, he he he was already married to. Erica. Did you meet them both at the. same time or met her a bit later? No, she was there. Okay. Somebody at Turning Point uh also. conveyed to me and again this this could. be inaccurate which is why I'm asking. you that there was this falling out. period that you and Charlie did have a. little bit of a falling out. Is that. correct? No. Uh. >> You never had a falling out with. Charlie? No. Okay. That might have been uh they might.

have had the wrong information. >> and I I heard or saw that you said he. unfollowed me. uh or we unfollowed each other. Somebody. asked me that in another interview. I. made them open up their phone, go to. Instagram, go on Charlie's and see if he. was following me. You can do it right. now. He still follows me. He was. following me. He was following me. >> It was a They The person had said it was. a period. They weren't saying that it. was forever. I was just figuring I'd ask. you about that. >> Yeah. No, we never had a falling out. Okay. Um, so obviously a big question.

that we have had is uh you were first to. post a video that was later on removed. uh saying that Charlie had passed and. this video was about an hour and 20. minutes before the president's. announcement. Um, it would have been it. to the. you know, to the minute about the time. that his family found out that he had. passed away. Um, or the people that were. at the hospital had found out that he. had passed away. So, do you. can you explain how you found that out. and and why you chose to remove the. video?

Well, yeah, I'm first interested to find. out why y'all think I was the first or. one of the first, you know, to to do that because. um, I mean, a rough estimate, there's. between 1 to 3 million pieces of social. media content that are produced every. second worldwide. Uh, and you know, my. team looked it up. There's 180 million. posts per minute. And let's just say the. first 30 minutes,

we're talking 5. 4 billion posts in 30 minutes. How could. y'all narrow it down? What type of. technology. could y'all do to narrow down that I was. one of the first ones to post that he. had died passed? Let's uh let's put it. in a context that's easier. Uh, the. first peop- person in Charlie's orbit. um, that announced that information. And. when we put it down to the minute, it. was when Erica found out that Charlie. was had passed away. So, I was wondering.

how how that was. >> Okay. I had someone text me. and he said, "My son. is at Charlie's event and Charlie was. just shot Mhm. uh and it doesn't look. good.". Um we went on it. I watched Charlie. being shot one time. And my team. uh many who are former special. operations guys in combat minutes, lots. of experience, they viewed it multiple. times cuz I wouldn't. And they said.

Charlie. I said Charlie wouldn't live from that. and I. I knew it the first I knew the only time. I saw it, I knew there's no way he could. have survived that. And. when I made a post and said, you know, Charlie's passed. Of course, I. know Frank Turek. I know the security. teams. I put it up. >> [snorts]. >> and then I didn't see anybody else. posting it. I thought it was premature. and I I pulled it down cuz it just felt.

wrong that I would post it. But it I. wanted people to pray. uh and then I contacted Erica through a. text and told her, I just told her, it nobody's going to. kill you. You're safe, you and the kids. No one's coming after you. They just. wanted Charlie. And I was just trying to reassure her. because as a. >> you declared he was dead on the basis of.

people saying it didn't look good. On the basis of. people, myself included, who've had. held dead and dying men from combat. in horrible situations. And anybody. who saw the killing and has that. experience know we knew he was dead. instantly. Mhm. I struggle with that one a little bit. I. I think that's quite audacious for.

someone to cuz you did make a post. initially saying he had been shot, pray. for him, and then you did. uh a follow-up and then said, you know, Charlie Charlie has passed on and said. pray for Erica. So, it just seems like. there was. some information in the corridor there. that led you to that conclusion. Um. and also in terms of the people who did. post early on, I believe Jack Hibbs, Amir Safari, I think I I think I'm. saying his last name correctly. That's. correct. >> Definitely all a part of that same sort. of Turning Point Faith orbit of pastors.

and Jack Hibbs took down a video saying. that actually there was an Israel. channel that reported it first and had. the information before anybody else. I'm. not aware of that. Yeah, so I was. wondering [clears throat] if you were. all perhaps sharing information, but. you're saying you just did that by. yourself, no information. Well, the. first post I made was asked for prayer. and I I knew. I just my gut level from watching it, he's not going to make it. And then, but.

we believe in prayer and if nothing else. it's going to be for those who are with. him, those who secondary. trauma effects of you're supposed to be. guarding someone and he's killed. Next, Erica and the kids are the first one we. went to. That's why I text her and said. you're safe. Mhm. They're not going to. come for you cuz how terrifying to know. someone's just murdered, assassinated. your husband. And. when I posted the second time, that it'd. been a little time and I just kind of.

spoke from my heart regarding it. But. But what I don't understand is why the. inquisition on that from you. >> Well, because we we just wanted to know. where the information came from. Obviously, if we're looking into. everything that happened that day, we're. going to look at who was the first to. announce that Charlie died and you were. very early and you removed it also. So, it was an interesting item that people. obviously have questions about. Yeah. >> Okay. And then you were among the first. two post you know obviously you and your. wife actually maybe it was actually just. you in the first two days that went to.

Erica and Charlie's place to provide her. some comfort. So you were quite close to Erica. We brought our team immediately. to help give relief for the first. security team who I knew when I was in. contact with and they were suffering. trauma and exhaustion. They didn't have. a secondary. So yeah, we went there. Of course my bride was with me.

Her and Erica are very very close. And we were just standing by to bring. comfort or help. The number one need. they had and we felt like it and we were. asked to is to provide security to give. relief. So that's what we did. Okay. And how just out of curiosity how. did Eileen and Erica get so close? Um. there's a lot of women that. you know reach out to my bride for. mentorship. And Eileen's like a.

I don't know perhaps a second mom to. Erica. We we we've been close to them. and they still are. They were texting. this week and Erica reaches out and we. respond or we reach out and encourage. her. So yeah, they're they're very. close. Just sort of became closer over. the years. Yes. Okay. Great. That just just asking you. questions. That's I'm not trying to. speculate anything. I'm just I'm fine. >> really trying to understand what the. relationship is here because there are a. lot of uh themes that keep popping up.

and one of the things is your. involvement in trafficking and. charities. A lot of just seems to be. like a a running theme of a lot of. people that are in that orbit. Um and I. wasn't quite clear as to how. you were able to involve yourself I. guess outside of the military. Maybe you. can explain this. Um, you know, in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Haiti, and. I mean, where else actually can I ask. you that? Did you ever go into Eastern. Europe? I feel like there's always a.

Eastern Europe bend, too. Yeah, no, not. uh physically. We didn't do physical. operations there. Um, but how we got. involved into it, you know, my time in. the Marine Corps was I served on the. President Reagan. Uh my wife and I. started a ministry All Things Possible. many, many years ago. Couple of decades. before that, I worked for Dr. James. Dobson as an assistant. Um, and we initially got into this aspect or. space of ministry to help kids who were.

abused and suffered, many who were. incarcerated, which was often a a. pathway for them to follow. because of crime and and mental health. issues. We were invited First, I was. invited to go to Burma by Dave Eubank, who I consider kind of the the godfather. of high-risk missions work. And he. raises children in Burma and Thailand, but they did missions work for they. still do for decades. Uh but it was me going there,

experiencing. what we did, seeing things at a whole. different level. Um, and then I got invited to go to Iraq. when ISIS invaded. And the purpose was. and we had an invitation by the. Kurdistan government. We had access. placement and an official invitation to. go in to help those who had been held. captive by ISIS. I brought in partial. psychology team, partial security team. because ISIS was everywhere and we. needed to provide our own security. We.

went there the first time in 2015, the. early part, and it was a very hot zone. We thought that would be it, Candace. We. just thought we'd go in and and help. Uh we saw the the enormous amount of. IDPs and you know, which are. uh displaced persons because of ISIS. having to flee cities and the number of. kids. and it was actually through my wife. helping a girl who had been held captive. and. and this girl told Eileen, she said,

"You really care about all of our. sisters." She was a Yazidi. and she refers to all the girls still. being held captive. And she says, "Yes." And the girl pulled. out a phone, gave it to my wife and. said, "This is from ISIS Emir in the. house I was held captive. And I hope it helps y'all find more.". And actually she had asked for my wife's. She kept looking at my wife's watch. before that. Um there's a picture of it. It's It's actually very beautiful. And.

my wife said, "Do you like my watch?". And she said, "Yes." She goes, "Well, you can have it." And she gave it to. her. And that was the first of many times. going into the region and many missions. to help those we didn't plan. It wasn't. our focus to rescue. women and children at at all. It was our. focus to help those who've been. traumatized [clears throat]. in these IDP camps, which some had. 30,000 people in them. But they were. lacking basic necessities for women and. girls. They were lacking what we.

provided dignity kits for personal. hygiene. We provided food. We provided. water. We started providing. uh surgeries as our donations came in. and never did we take any governmental. funding. To this day we have it. Everything that we've done has been. documented and I think some people who. doubt the authenticity of what we do, they simply have to go to YouTube and. watch it. We've documented year after. year.

>> comes from the fact that people were not. able to locate any of these like 45, I. think the number you you claim is 45,000. uh kids and women that you've rescued. Um and 45,000 is that what you told. Shawn Ryan? 45,000 I think was the. number. Have you ever read or heard me say we've. rescued 45,000 women or children? I. think we we played the clip. I might be. wrong, but 45,000 I think was the. number. Producers, you can remind me, but I.

think for I think I heard you say 45,000. in a clip. You have to be very specific. >> Ryan show. Yeah, it was not rescued. Nowhere, including the Shawn Ryan show, have I ever declared. in writing or verbally that I ever. rescued 45,000 women or children. That's. absolutely. >> you guys think you could pull that clip? Yeah. I'm I'm going to have the. producers pull I'm pretty sure you said. 45,000. >> Yeah, just play the clip in context.

>> want to you guys want to play that? If. is there a way hold on I'm just trying. to see if we can get the producers to. pull it so I don't Yeah. They'll they'll they'll pull that. I'm. pretty sure you said 45,000. So are you. saying you didn't rescue 45,000 people? >> Uh well, what I'm saying is I've never. me said or written or our organization. ever declared we rescued 45,000. We've. helped. We've provided trauma relief and. some we've definitely rescued because. it's part of what we do. Our mission.

statement for All Things Possible. Ministries is to set captives free. physically, emotionally, and. spiritually. And we stay within the. confines of our mission and we're very. successful in what we do, but we. document it in a way that if people. simply go to our YouTube channel, they. can see it. If they go back, they can. watch the history of our social media. Nothing has been. >> people how many people would you say. you've rescued? Cuz. maybe we're. maybe we're parsing here. You're saying. freed, you freed people, rescued people.

How many people would you say that you. have rescued? Just to get a number from. you. Well, we would never. declare the total number of people we've. rescued for both security and safety. reasons, but we're happy to say that. many many have been [clears throat] set. free and rescued in multiple places from. uh ISIS is where we got the most uh I. think people sort of recognizing that. because of how high risk it was. Uh my wife and I.

the last mission we were on, we rescued. that was a rescue of a mom who had been. held captive 9 years. She was kidnapped. as a teenager, had two children inside. of captivity of ISIS, and we planned a. mission for 6 months, executed in 5. days. It's documented, and she's back. home with her family. Uh unfortunately, her dad passed away while she was in. captivity, and we never told the family. we were going to attempt a rescue. because of the hardship it would cause. if we weren't able to do it. But I lean,

my bride, was the point person uh the. first person to to meet her uh when we. were doing this. That's documented as. well, and we show pictures and videos of. the mom and the kids in our safe house. inside of Iraq. I think one of the things that makes. people really uncomfortable with a lot. of these uh couples who involve. themselves in rescuing and and. trafficking operations and charity is. that we do hear this repeat thing where. you say well it would compromise their.

safety if we told you where they went. Um and that makes us have to trust you, right? And and trust that you're an. honest person and that you're an honest. dealer and that you're in fact rescuing. them and not, you know, maybe holding. them in captivity yourself. Yeah. >> And and [clears throat] so when you get. a person like you who I think um. you know, I have some questions about. your character. I I think that that's. fair. >> Sure. Uh and you say that you're in this. business and that you do everything and. the people that say you're not that. person are all troubled. For example,

the young woman that you said you. rescued from a pedophile who says. another story, and she she makes the. claim that she believes that you're a. part of the trafficking. ring. How is it possible for people to. be able to prod that narrative if you. can always just claim, "Well, the people. that we help need privacy." I mean, that. would be that would be a perfect set up. for like Jeffrey Epstein, right? I mean, if you just want to traffic people and. then say, "Well, you know, we can't tell. you where these people are because. we got to protect their identity, and we. got to protect everything about them.".

Candace, I think that's not a bad. question because there are no doubt and. there's no doubt in my mind that there. are organizations that are actually. traffickers that pose as counter. trafficking. We've been doing this for. gosh, many years. And we work by doing. what law enforcement in other countries, we still work through government. agencies. Um. uh. And the best way to prove the.

authenticity of claims is two ways. Or three, if you want to go all the way. One is people who've been on the. mission, credible individuals. I have. quite a list of operators who've done. security work, intelligence gathering. part, who either still have or did have. the highest level of clearance in the US. that worked for the CIA or Joint Task. Force or Delta. It This This is not.

something that people winch at uh. because we have a history of high. credibility and integrity. Yes, well, the CIA I would say is the is the. biggest trafficking organization in the. world, so that's not a vote of. confidence, right? So, if you say, "I. only did it with the CIA or the IDF," I. go, "Yeah, well, so did Jeffrey Epstein, right?" Um so, that doesn't I don't. think that that's like saying I do it. for the government doesn't lend. credibility. >> Well, let me clarify. I don't disagree. with your statement. There are very. corrupt governments and I work for none.

of them. I work around the governments, but I've never been paid by any of them. When I say CIA, I'm talking about former. men and women. who have worked for the agency and bring. a set of skill sets. uh that are trustworthy for us. And the third way would be the actual. victims themselves. Um we we just got a. video from Southeast Asia I didn't ask. for, but one of our safe houses there.

they were so hurt and disgusted by the. false allegations against me and it's. only happened since I've entered the. political realm, which is a completely. different beast. Uh but they made a video and sent it. I. couldn't even watch it all cuz it was. victims that we had saved and helped. And they're sending a video to try to. prove to the naysayers that of course. what he's saying is real and that's on.

our social media people can watch that. It's either AI or a bunch of people that. are paid and we've been doing this far. too long and with far too much. integrity. And if I was doing anything. nefarious, believe me, we would have. already got in trouble for it, but we're. not. The other one is if you just come. If you ever. Candace Owens, if you ever say I want to. go to the Middle East and meet people. and see firsthand what you've done, if.

you'll accept the risk, I'll give you my. word that you can be on a team, we'll. take you there and we'll introduce you. as long as you sign an NDA and make sure. you don't reveal some of our network. because we still do the work. If you. want to go to Southeast Asia, well, you can bring a camera crew. We'll. introduce you to one of our safe houses. and see the work that we do. It's just we've always kept things. closer to our vest. We've raised our own. support and.

the most important thing that has helped. us is prayer because we have been able. to do things that people said could. never be done. So, that's the point I'm making regarding. this aspect. Now, regarding Holly, the. young lady that you brought up in. Canada. You know what? Everything we said about her is true. Everything we did is true. Um. and here's what I would say to people. like yourself.

Uh and. I haven't heard you accuse us of doing. anything nefarious. You only repeat what. others say. But, regarding Holly, this is what I'd say to anybody. Has anyone talked to Holly's mother. or her father? If you haven't talked to their mother. her mother or father, then you haven't done the very basics of. investigative work. Two, we met with an HSI human trafficking.

specialist at the border who approved us. to get through from Canada to the US and. gave her temporary status. Three, we brought in law enforcement. both here and in Texas where we were. keeping her. Four, we documented. everything. And five, the very point. couple in Canada that was our I would. say our agents of hope up there. have video that they just posted. yesterday of Holly.

telling the truth about what we did to. help her. And look, I've had those. videos, but I've never put them out. Since they reached out to Holly and it. wasn't Holly that reached out, it was. Holly's pedophile. who groomed this girl since she was 13, had sex with her at 15. She is a sadly a. very damaged individual. They've already. had a child and I'm telling you the.

people who have platformed. her pedophile on a conservative radio. station here, uh they're going to be held accountable. because they've re-victimized this girl. She has Stockholm syndrome. She hasn't. been posting. The last thing they did. and I was told that these folks here who. are trying to discredit me, Candace, told her if you and Les will sue Victor. force, you know, try to get him for.

trafficking, you'll be able to make. millions. So So, Victor, an easy question for you. Have you ever done anything wrong? Of course, but in what context? Just in your ministries, in these. relationships that you've had with. people. um that claim that they find you to be. manipulative and abusive. You Have you. ever done anything wrong? Candace, I'm human. I've I've messed up. plenty. But in the area of integrity, I've I've never intentionally gone after.

anybody. I've never. manipulated, maligned, or or tried to do. things for money. So, yeah, I mean, watch my film. Read. one of my two books. I talk about plenty. of self-evident, you know, ways that I. depend on the grace of God. But I don't know if it's that hard to. believe that somebody that came from my. background who feel like I've been given. a second chance in life. My goal as a.

kid growing up was to become the man. that I wish somebody would have been to. help save me and I turn around and God. redeems my life for a greater good? What's so hard to believe about that? That I made right choices. I didn't have. to end up in prison. Yeah, I struggled with drug abuse as a. kid. I I struggled with my temper early. on, of which I told people I would about. once a year I'd punch or kick a hole in. the wall. That was many years ago. I told people I.

was under psychiatric care, 123 visits. to a trauma specialist. Why wouldn't I. after the abuse that I went through, which was severe and torture? My life is a redeemed life. Never do I. claim to be perfect, but my passion is I. love people because I'm loved by God, and I don't know why only since I've. come into the space of running for. governor has all hell broke loose. And. I'll tell you. >> are just looking into your background. and they have some questions about, you.

know, uh it just seems a little bit. fantastical, your relationships with the. IDF. Um I I mean, personally I think. that you've been. >> that? Uh well, I think you've been honest. about your relationship with the IDF. I. think you've just said that you you have. relationships with them, obviously. You. went on Charlie Kirk's show after. October 7th. You've said you fostered a. relationship with them. I'm not saying. >> Ask me what I did. Ask me what I did. Nothing was said, just to be clear, that. was illegal about your relationship with. them. There was nothing said that was. implied that you did anything. >> what I did with the IDF. Ask me so I can. tell you. Why don't you ask me what I.

did with the IDF? Why did I go to. Israel? After October 7th, we played the clip on. our show when you were on Charlie Kirk's. show. Do you know what I did there, Candace? Um. I can say what you said on the Charlie. Kirk show, that you went there after. Oct- October 7th to uh be able to tell. the story of what had happened there, um. and to separate propaganda. People would. say it was propaganda. >> Correct. Yeah, so we showed that. I'm. Well, let let me tell you, we helped. 6,000 children who had been affected by.

the war between Hamas and Israel and it. was because we had access place and an. invitation that we were able to go into. these places. Who invited you? A nonprofit that was based inside of. Israel who was a special forces IDF guy. who's followed us for years. We we got. invited in. And you know the first. question I asked him when I'm in kibbutz. with blood and gore everywhere, I said. why didn't the government respond?

What happened? And my friends who lived. there said. two things, Victor. One, we were. unprepared and we underestimated our. enemy. I said, how long did it take for the. government to send reinforcements? It was six hours. Six hours. I asked every fighter, why? Why didn't they respond and help y'all? Why did they leave y'all here fighting?

Why did so many women and children have. to get killed? How come they didn't. respond? No one has an answer. And someone should be held accountable. for that. Because I'm not there to back Israel. I'm not there to back Palestinian folks. I'm there for women and children. And we. put our life on the line to help. Over. 6,000. I went into the West Bank and. yes, I did go into Gaza by virtue of. these special operations teams. Not to. shoot, not to kill, not to kick doors.

in. I went to pray. And we helped. Palestinian kids who had been injured as. well. This is who we are and anything. other than is just ridiculous. We handed. out line and limbs. What do you think. about what Israel is doing in in. Palestine? At the moment. Well, I know this. I know. amazing amazing idea fighters. I know. amazing people who are protecting their. homeland. I love children on both sides of it, and.

I've been with great warriors. We've. helped. We've helped. But I don't and I can't say that I fully. trust the leadership and judgment of a. government [snorts]. that waited 6 hours, 6 hours to send. reinforcement. It's a 20-minute flight by helicopter. It's a 45-minute drive to send troops. down there. The reasons they said I. still don't know. And I was told by.

everybody there'll be an investigation. afterwards. Yeah, I think I think it was. to establish the pretext for what they. did in Gaza. I'm just asking, you've. expressed that you and your wife care. deeply about women and children. >> And you can see the footage of what they. have done to Gaza since. So, I'm asking. you. >> It's It's horrific. While we were there, while we were there on Israeli side, we. had over 2,000 rockets launched at us. How are they still firing rockets? I. said from the beginning. >> No, I I don't mean to say Israel is a. victim. I'm saying now I think the. victim has flipped, obviously,

in terms. I think innocent people on both sides. paid a price. Uh paid a horrible price. But do you. believe what's happening in Gaza is is a. genocide? I would say this, it has turned into a. genocide, but the question I have to. ask, and you should be asking, too, why. didn't Hamas stop firing rockets when we. were there doing humanitarian work? There was over 2,000 rockets fired at. us. Uh in the areas that we were at, it.

was non-stop. I said this from the. beginning. I put it online. I was on. Fox. I said, "Hamas needs to stop firing. rockets in the beginning. Stop firing. Return the hostages. Return them. And. then there'll be a ceasefire. Work out. something." They never did. And that's. the question. Look, I love Palestinians. I love the people. I've helped kids, women. I love them. And to see people. innocently slaughtered because of a.

terrorist group, Hamas, that continues. to attack Israel, what are you going to. do? Well, I I think the terrorist group. now might be the IDF, right? Because of. what's happening in Gaza. I don't think. that that's done by people who are not. terrorists. I mean, I don't Have you seen the videos of. what's coming out of there? I saw the videos of what happened there. They're walking. I It's horrible. Yeah. >> It's horrible. Guess what? >> to show you, by the way, your website. said that you rescued 45,000 people. I. just want to show you that.

This is. Well, the old website is just that it's. get changed, but a marine, a pastor, this is I don't know who changed this. Maybe you had somebody doing your. website and that got changed. Did you. have somebody make the website for you? >> I I I can't It says a high-risk. humanitarian who has rescued more than. 45,000 women and children. That's. completely inaccurate. I would have. never What website is that on? >> victor2026.com. Uh we never anybody.

They're saying that that was on our. website. I don't believe that. We would never put rescued 45,000. Never. Okay. I don't want to say. Yeah, I don't. >> It's just, you know, when. it will still save former edits on a. website. So, it may have just been your. website guy got something wrong. So, that was one to let you know that we. didn't Okay, thank you. Yeah. >> Okay. Um okay. So, that is very.

interesting to hear your perspectives on. um what Israel is doing. I think it's. probably going to be a number one issue. and I think right now currently people. feel that the majority of the. politicians have sold out to AIPAC and I. would definitely have some, you you. about your relationship with the IDF. And like I said, Corby did not say that. you did anything illegal by you know, you if you are you are legally allowed. to buy and sell guns. >> Corby for 50,000.

weapons for idea. Why? I have an FFL. I. only buy stuff for our self for our. training. That's ridiculous. That's. absurd. And again, Corby's still loose. out there. And if he's watching, Corby, please turn yourself in to some. authorities. Let them question you. And. like I said from the beginning, please. get help. Don't act upon the thoughts. you're hearing. >> sorry. Are you presenting that he's on. the run right now from the federal. government? Cuz that's a that's a. remarkable claim. Yeah, I'm not saying. he's on the run, but I'm saying that we.

the authorities are looking for him to. question him. Have they tried to call him? Uh. I guess. I don't know. It's both the FBI. and El Paso That was a good start if. you're looking for someone to just call. them, right? Well, I'm sure they I'm sure they have. I It's an open investigation. But I'm. just saying Corby should just stop. whatever he's doing and respond to. authorities to get this sorted out. But. what you don't know if they've reached.

out to him, but you're saying he should. stop and respond. >> I I do not know. They've contacted me. and said, "Do you know where he is? Do. you know where he would be?" And I'm. like, "I do not." Okay, well, you just. you just to go back just you know, the. way that you said it in the first time, you made it kind of sound like he was on. the run from authorities, right? Turn. yourself in sounds like when you say. turn yourself in, it sounds like there's. a warrant for your arrest. So, this is. this is what I think that sometimes you. can get you don't maybe don't realize. it, but you you can get a little. fantastical in your descriptions. Corby, stop what you're doing and turn yourself.

in is a little bit different from oh, I. have no idea if they're reaching out to. him, but I was told they might give him. a call, right? So, that's a little more. reasonable of a statement to make. >> let me make it very clear. The FBI has. contacted us. It's an open. investigation. And El Paso County. Sheriff's Department, they are looking. for Corby. Plain and simple. He should stop what. he's doing and contact them or turn. himself into local authorities wherever. he is. So he can be questioned and such and. such. >> yourself in if there's not a warrant for.

your arrest. Respectfully, like that's not how that. works. If they just have to call them. I. think that's a perfect place to leave. that. Let's not pretend if you said. there's a warrant for his arrest, that'd. be a little different. But you are not. required in in any of the 50 states to. turn yourself in because somebody says, "Okay, we're going to we're going to. try to make some contact with this. person." You have not said that he's not. answering. I just want to I want to stay. away from the fantastical stories and. the narratives and just stick to the. facts. Like I said, I've heard that there's an.

open investigation into you and has. something to do with guns. I don't know, but I I wouldn't just assert things. We. could say, "Victor, stop what you're. doing and turn yourself in because. somebody got a phone call.". That's a that's a complete fabrication. I work with law enforcements. No. Candace, I I'll leave that alone. Um. We we don't have to It's somebody It's. accusations against you are. If someone said they were going to kill. you and they told somebody how, would. you want that person to talk to the law.

enforcements? I have no evidence of. that. And I like I said, some of your. stories and and just a perfect example. is what you just did there. Corby. Candace and you. platformed Corby. Obviously, this is a. little bit more And I am platforming you. right now, actually. So here we go. Yeah, but you I have I've done nothing. wrong. If anything, I've. That's just incredibly sarcastic. [clears throat]. Yeah, I was being sarcastic. I I find. you to be arrogant and off-putting,

actually. Um uh. but it was a little bit of sarcasm of me. basically pointing to the fact that you. you come across as very arrogant, and. it's it is off-putting um that you make. statements like you make. Stop what. you're doing and turn yourself in. You're constantly presenting yourself. like you're some sort of an authority. You can just deliver the facts. I. received a phone call from this person. They said they might be looking for him, and I don't know where that went since. That would be a logical non-emotional. statement. >> appropriate for me to say law. enforcement is looking for an individual. who confessed to someone who platformed.

him on your show connected Joe that he. is homicidal and he wants to kill me, and this is how he's going to do it. >> I just don't know if I believe that the. feds would need you to help look for him. if that were true. They do have. resources. Um but like I said, I also don't believe. that you beheaded a cat when you were. three cuz kids are not that strong, and. that's a hard thing to do. I don't. believe you wore a cat head um because. you know, I there's a lot of things that. you say that I don't believe. So, I'm. just going to file it under.

>> But, I'll tell you be very careful in. minimizing someone who's been. victimized, including children, because. there are millions of us out there. I I. I do not believe I do not believe the. story that you were forced to behead a. cat and it was your first memory. >> You don't have to. I just. >> But, be very careful minimizing. >> hat. I don't believe that. I I I I truly. don't, and that is not to victimize. children. I do think that what you're. actually doing is you're being. emotionally manipulated by saying, "Oh, if you don't believe me, then you don't.

believe victims." No, I believe things. that sound believable because I have a. logical rational brain, and I I have. But, you you've never been victimized. You've never suffered sexual abuse. >> people and the sheriff's department not. wanting to figure out who that is or not. knowing where it happened. A lot of it. does not does not ring true to me, and. like I said, I did enough due diligence. to speak to relatives, and they say that. it's not true. You haven't done your due. diligence to get the facts straight. You're protecting. I I just am telling you I personally. don't believe it. And how about we.

introduce you to the international. crimes? I would say this, we can introduce you. to international Well, you're not, it. doesn't matter. What I would say is. this, the international crimes against. children, let us introduce you to. detectives that actually work on child. abuse cases and have one conversation. with them to see what's really real. >> I don't I'm sorry. You don't have to. I'm not saying you. have to, but I'm saying don't minimize. people who've been victimized as. children. I'm not I'm I'm talking about.

you directly, so you you you don't have. to make this. >> But I am one. one that represents. millions, Candace. I I I don't think you. represent millions, Victor Marx. I I. really struggle and I I actually am. hopeful that you don't represent. millions. I want to be I want to have a. hopeful picture. >> Trust me. of the future outside. >> millions that follow me that suffer. abuse and that's why our films, our. books, that's why me telling my story. encourages and gives them hope. That's. as simple as that. We'll never stop. doing that. Whether you believe it or.

not, that's not the point here. The. point is. uh to say that I didn't suffer abuse. the way I'm sharing this. >> you didn't suffer or some form of abuse. I'm saying you didn't. I don't I don't believe you were. beheaded cat head after you beheaded I. just I don't believe that. If that's. okay, if we can just agree to disagree. on that one. >> Um just a lot of the mechanisms there. just don't make sense to me. The you should talk to ICAC detectives, people work on sex crimes against. children and kids who are abused and.

murdered. There was a kid here, 4 years. old, that was beat to death. I believe. kids are beat to death. Yes, that's. right. >> The wait, but if he was beat to death, he wasn't there, right? Pardon me? There was a kid that you said. was there in your house and then he and. then he got beat to death? No, here in. Colorado, recently, a 4-year-old was. beat to death by a caregiver. Yeah, that happens all across the. nation. That's a believable story. That's right. And do you think they. never suffer any type of torment or. torture before that or is it just in the. act? >> would struggle to believe that a.

3-year-old beheaded a cat and then had. to wear it on their head. I I just would. I struggle with that one, if that's. okay. >> was dead. I didn't think it was alive after it was. beheaded. I mean, I don't think it was dead when whether. or not the cat was alive. >> Candace, do a short study on voodoo and. understand voodoo voodoo rituals against. boys. I- if you go deep enough, you'll. you'll see how twisted it is. I'm not. here to glorify darkness at all.

Uh that's not my point. My point is that. we bring life and hope and maybe some. things that even you don't believe that. happened to me as a child motivate me to. help kids over these last 40 years, which is documented and provable. I. don't know why you feel you're the. person who has to. Uh but maybe I do now because you just. said it. If you lived in Colorado, you wouldn't. vote for me. So, maybe you're getting. paid by somebody to discourage a vote. toward me, which is the only reason all. this stuff.

>> I actually removed myself from politics. all altogether after Charlie got killed. I'm not working for anybody. >> but you didn't remove yourself cuz you. just made a statement. So, uh No, I said I don't live in Colorado, so it's it's not there's no consequence. >> you you told people not to vote. Yeah, I will be I I will own that. I. have many times since the Charlie Kirk. assassination. um and the lies surrounding his. assassination have said, you know, what. I think. >> into uh trying to dissuade people from.

voting for me and discredit me as a. child uh who was abused. I I've given plenty of time. It's. supposed to be 30 minutes. Do you have. any follow-up questions that cuz I do. have to end this, please. >> thank you very much for your time. I. wanted to make sure that I provided you. equal time uh to be able to answer some. of the questions. I think you did. clarify some things. I don't think. anyone will ever forget that you served. for 3 years. I won't. I will make sure. everybody knows that from here all the. way to Colorado. This man served for 3. years. Um and I think that's a thank you for.

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episode first. Adriana Gomez came in. with whenever something is amiss, I. think it should be referenced to as neft. up. >> [laughter]. >> It's neft up is a great way of putting. things. Blakey Neff, here we're at 47. days, Blakey. Here's my take wrote, I. really want to hear from Charlie's. parents. You and I both and I think the. entire world would love to hear from. them. Um like I've said in previous. episodes, I do know that they are in. fact in a deep state of grief. Um and I. will just leave it at that. Won't won't. say how.

Um. I've I've just heard some things and I I. know that they are acting in a way that. some people might have thought his widow. might have acted following his death. All right, let's get into some comments. from today's episode. We have Terrell. writes, men like this are the reason I. started reading the Bible recently. Yeah, I mean, I think in regards to him. talking about his faith, he is sort of. like the faith is mine. Like I have the. Bible, I can make it what I want. It's. one of the flaws that I find in. Protestantism is that it becomes my.

truth very quickly. And anybody can interpret every verse as. they want and they can make it a bumper. sticker. Or you can believe like that you can do. exactly what Christ does and you can. summon demons and angels into a realm. So, that's interesting. Nattie Nicole. writes, "As a vet, I am dying laughing. dying laughing at him crying about his. time in service. What a joke." Yeah, I. was like, "I really think people who. serve are a little tougher than that. They could just answer the question like. we weren't trying to diss him." I said 2. years. I think we they thought it was 4.

years and we said 2. And he's like, "You. don't even know how to read this form.". And it's like, "Well, all right." 3. years, man. It's all you. Cat Bab. watches writes, "Christ has been my. savior since 1982. Since then, I have. had a gift of discernment. This man is. evil and he may know Christ, but I'm. sure Christ will say to him one day, 'I. never knew you. Depart from me.'" Um the. Gospel of Matthew, absolutely. Julia. writes, "Army veteran of 10 years of. service here. Not offended. I'm offended. that he was begging for an apology. We.

served to defend our country, I thought. Feeling hurt over one less year is wild. Great job holding your ground. Proud of. you, as always." Anytime somebody's like. demanding apology, I just find it to be. weird. Like why would you want an apology if I. don't actually if I'm not sorry? It's. just it's just like a weird power move. "Say sorry to me." It's like, "Not your kid, man. >> [laughter]. >> Not your kid." We will not be demanding. any apologies out of me. Um I don't owe. you an apology. It was an honest mistake. and you do come off like a crybaby. Um. for taking it that personally. Alaska.

Dog Lady writes, "No, he did not dare. call us Teemu TMZ. This man is unstable. Christ have mercy on our ears. I'm going. to have to tell my priest that I will. chill." Yeah, he did. He called us Teemu. TMZ and I think TMZ's pretty Teemu. So, that ain't good for us or something, but. you could see he just sort of like had. that ready to go and then kept saying it. and it was just weird. It just made me feel like it was a bit. childish, to be honest. Muno's writes, "I am no body language interpreter, but. Victor seems incredibly uncomfortable. Lying makes people naturally.

uncomfortable.". He just kind of strikes me as someone. who's. used to talking a lot. He doesn't listen. a lot, but he's used to just speaking. all the time have letting people and. people believe him. And you can see that. actually we were watching some of the. clips of him on stage. He actually. probably would have crushed it as a. comedian. Um, you know, he's got good timing and. he just believes everything that he. says. He's not used to being challenged. and you can see that it sends him into a. rage. Like when he said, "Oh, like I had. to work. I used to punch holes in. walls." I'm like, I feel like you still.

need to work on your temper because you. just came here thinking that you were. going to direct the conversation on my. show. Um, doesn't work like that. Actually, it's my show. A K Jordan writes the gaslighting is. insane. Him knowing Charlie was dead as. soon as he saw the video, but calling. for prayer that then announcing he's. dead. Yeah, that part made no sense. I. didn't buy it, but I allowed him to say. that he's. tell it in the way that he wanted to. Uh, you continue with prayers to St. Michael the Archangel. Please stay safe, Candace. I do that prayer every single. day.

It just it's a powerful prayer. I really. do I believe it is. TN Cricket writes, "Tell me that you've. never helped an abuse victim without. saying that you've never helped an abuse. victim." Asking someone at a live show. if they've ever been abused, obviously. expecting a no answer. The truth is not. in him. I. you could just see the way that he's. kind of like, if you question me, you're. questioning all abuse victims. It's. like, no, most abuse victims don't say. that they beheaded a cat when they were. three. Um, and I'm able to compartmentalize. that. That that to me, as I said to him,

felt like an emotionally manipulative. tactic. Like I now represent and he. literally said that. He's like, "Trump. I'm Trump." He's like, "I am MAGA." He's. like, "I am abuse victims." Nobody, you're not. Um, everybody knows people. that have been abused and I've never. seen people behave like that, like they. are the authority on abuse. And that. again, your character comes across when. you speak. He didn't represent himself. well at all and he had the platform, too. Uh, Sport and Anna writes, "We stand. with CO." Thank you very much. Uh, Sev.

Games a lot writes, "Candace, can you. please give a shout out to the Free. Wendy Williams movement?" Yeah, I I. should look into I I know a bit about. that. We have not covered it on the. show, but it is crazy to think that a. bank can just step in and take over your. entire life. We got to just start using. cash again, guys. We got to get out of. this system. Wait till they bring in. like chips and digital digital IDs want. inserted into our arms. They've got. quite a dystopian uh. vision for the future. Minnesota Lizzie writes, "Hey Candace, I. look back and Charlie Kirk did say that.

his daughter's favorite song is Jolene. by Dolly Parton. Hmm, I'm thinking. replace the female name and it could be. about mom, question mark." Truth Prevail. writes, "You definitely have a lot of. patience for dealing with this guy. As a. veteran myself, no offense taken at all, Victor is gaslighting and he's also a. narcissist. He can't even answer a. question without being belligerent.". Yeah, he's that's the that is the. perfect adjective for him. He's. belligerent. Um, and I don't think he's. aware that he's belligerent. I think he. thinks he's calm and he thinks it's a. rational thing to get all like bent out. of shape about how many years of service.

as if we meant it as a diss. Like, it's. just like I don't know, man. It's not my. life. We're happy to correct it and just. move on. And he's like, "No, this is. where I'm going to crush you. This shows. you're a disinformation platform. You. said two, it was three." It's a weird. thing to be hung up about. Uh, and I always have a lot of patience. with dealing with people uh who I just. see right through. And that to me, that. whole act is just someone who likes to. be in control, but hasn't even managed. controlling his own emotions.

The Listening Doctor writes, "I am a. medical doctor and I will tell you that. abused people abuse others. It is true, but murder and animal abuse is another. level. This man is dangerous and he is. normalizing his behavior and making. abused people look bad." That is a very. good point. That and that's kind of what I I think I. was trying to get out with him. I don't. know if I was as eloquent as I could. have been in saying that this is. different. You're talking about like. killing an animal and wearing. an animal on your head. Like, that's not. standard abuse. That's like.

Jeffrey Dahmer. Like when we like see somebody who has. the traits for a serial killer, and so. they usually say abused animals in their. youth and then went on to become a. serial killer when they were older. I. don't like that background and I don't I. just everything about that. Like I. murdered him when I was seven and like I. had to deal with that and everything's. fine now and we don't know where the. body is. Like oh, so you didn't know. where you lived? You drove around. somewhere you don't know where you are. As I said I spoke to his direct. relatives. and they said it's just not true. Like.

that's just not something that wouldn't. have come up. They were close to him. So. I I guess he says he has a sister not on. his stepfather's side of the family who. can confirm that they experienced abuse. I'm sure uh. abuse has many many names. There are. people who think they're abused when. somebody sends them a mean text message. We can be talking about verbal abuse, parents that shout and scream all the. time. Uh and then you you're talking. about. this rarely unlocked level of abuse. where you're saying you had to murder.

people before you were seven and. beheaded a cat and wear its head. And then said something about voodoo. traditions which I know nothing about. and I'm interested in how he knows. Well, he's spending some time in Haiti. Maybe. I'll have to figure it out. Listening Dr. I'm sorry that was you. Sarah Bryant writes conclusively I pray. for you Candace if I ever was lucky. enough to have a daughter I certainly. would like her to be. just like you, honest, loving, and. caring about others. I know in my heart. that you will find answers about.

Charlie. I worry about the fact that. these are the people that Charlie. surrounded himself with. I worry about. the fact that Charlie was even prayed. over by someone like Victor Marx. I. don't find him to be. I said. many fantastical pastors that are around. him. and none of them feel godly to me. They. do all feel like they think they're gods. in their own personal capacity and. that's what you kind of get. He's like, "I read the Bible, so now I'm God and I. can do everything God can do. You need. to choose it's right here in the Bible. Don't you believe in the Bible? Well,

I'm here to interpret it for you and. tell you what I can do.". That is someone that you should run from. and I Charlie was immersed in this world. from Turning Point USA Faith. I found. him to be a little reticent to discuss. much about, you know, kind of leaving. Erica out of the story. Charlie was. already married to her. She was the one. who was driving home Turning Point. Faith. In fact, Charlie said as much on. stage in Aspen. Notorious Aspen trip, Charlie said when he mentioned Turning. Point USA Faith that like his wife does. a lot of work for Turning Point USA.

Faith. That was her thing. Um, and that. would make sense as to why she was very. close with Eileen Marks. Don't find any of this to be. coincidental. Uh, he is exactly what I thought he would. be. So, what are we to make of. his proximity to Turning Point USA? If we can discern that after me talking. to him for an hour, why can nobody at. Turning Point USA pick up on that? Who's giving him an office? Who's. telling him to pray over Charlie? Who's.

the person in Charlie's ear saying you. can trust this guy? I think it's Erica. I I think it was Erica who brought these. people around and pushed Charlie to have. relationships with them. That's my viewpoint. A lot of things. changed uh when Erica came into the. picture and I I would argue. not for the better in terms of the faith. department. Anyway, uh if you'd like to support our show and. the work that we do, we have new merch. available on the website. Uh, candaceowens.com you can head there. It's the easiest way to support our. show. Contrary to what he says, we are. not funded by any political packs or.

parties. As you guys know, we are. exclusively funded by you and our. advertisers. There is nobody else. There's no outside countries and. certainly uh no politicians that we're. doing work for. We um we think you're. weird for free. We think you're arrogant, faux free. Victor. Anyway, we are way over time. We will. see you guys tomorrow. >> [music].