Honey, I Shrunk The Footage! More Exclusive TPUSA Shenanigans. | Ep 379

All right, you guys. Happy Thursday. Last show before we go on a break for a. week. I am I have a lot to say, a lot to. share. I'm just over here reflecting on. everything that Turning Point USA has. put me through in the last 11 months. How completely unacceptable it is. I. don't know if it's just cuz I'm getting. like fatter, more pregnant. I get I do. get a little bit angrier when I'm. growing a boy. But it's just the lies, the attacks, the full-time influencer, uh the ring of influencers that are. going after my family. the journalists.

working with them to insert stories. about me implying that I'm the true. assassin of Charlie Kirk. It just can't. stand, at least not today. Uh Andrew. Kovat, by the way, is lying so badly. He. brought on Andrew Wilson, who I debated. last Friday, onto their Beus and Butudad. platform. And he tries to smear me. I'm. talking about Andrew Kovette, not Andrew. Wilson. Tries to smear me as a Hitler. lover. And the smear was so bad. Him and. Blake are like, "That's what they do.".

That Andrew Wilson actually interjects. Yes. The person that I just debated was. the one who interjects and is like, "Okay, to be fair, that's not really. what happened." I have to show you that. It's just unbelievable and really. demonstrates what this organization has. become and how they just regularly. engage in smears and in lies. Uh, it's. just we'll get into it. But first, the. purpose of these lies we know are to. distract us from the investigation. They. don't want to discuss any of the footage. that we've been presenting on the show.

They don't want to answer any relevant. questions that we've been raising. So, that signals to me that we need to stay. focused, that they are coming undone, and we need to keep the heat up. Let's. do that today. I've got some footage for. you. Welcome back to Candace.

Okay, I'm feeling spicy today. I'm just. going to launch a hand grenade right at. the top. I should have been wearing my. second favorite shirt, but I'm not. Ready? Terrell Farnsworth, let's jump. right back into this. Again, what I am. showing to you is within approximately. 10 minutes of Charlie getting hit. And. we just showed you that Terrell takes. his laptop. It looks very much like he. inserts an SD card into it, an SD card.

that he just happened to take out of a. camera. Uh it appears that he is accessing that. footage. What I'm going to show you is. that he even seemingly consults with. Philip Goldsbury. Now, you may remember. we mentioned Philip Goldsberry. We did a. whole episode. He is the guy who miked. Charlie for that final time and he was. working with uh Terrell Farnsworth, working under Terrell Farnsworth. at um Visual Impulse. I just want you.

guys to see this footage. We're going to. watch it here. Nice hand grenade. All. right, what do we got here? We'll point. there. Keep your eye there. Gets up and. he shows something on his laptop to. Philip Goldsbury. He sits there and he. just gets busy on his laptop. Looks like he's putting an actually. looks like he maybe putting something. else in there. Maybe a second SD card. Not exactly sure. I'm just letting you.

guys watch this so that you can see. Um, we were told by Andrew Kovette that he. was worried about people stealing hats. I don't I'm not getting that sense. Doesn't seem to be a priority. Keep your. eyes there. So, you can see he's just on. his laptop. Still on that laptop moving those hands. Tip tapping away. Checking back. Make. sure nobody is looking. That is. important. Man, I if I thought there was. a sniper running around, I'd probably. maybe go into a car to do this. Somewhere safer to do this. I'm always I.

I'm always amazed that it seems like. they knew they were okay. Again, this is within 10 minutes. of Charlie going down. You know, yesterday I joined Ana. Kasparian on her program uh for an. interview and she asked a a a question. that is on a lot of people's minds. regarding all of this. Take a listen. I. don't want it to be lost on our. audience. So, I want to reiterate he. never provided, and this is based on the.

testimony that you can hear for. yourselves during the preliminary. hearing. He never provided the SD card, the original, you know, SD card to the. um, you know, investigation. He just. provided the Google links and a flash. drive, which would indicate that there's. a possibility of evidence tampering. No, >> that's actually a fair question and it. becomes an even more fair question as we. demonstrate to you. But he went on to. his laptop. Um, and the truth is from.

what I've researched. It could be a. legal gray area, but maybe not really. I'll just tell you what I found. Okay. Broadly speaking, yes. everything that. we saw Terald do in terms of violating. the crime scene, using Charlie's chair. to climb up and remove the camera that. was behind Charlie's head and then. taking that SD card um and inserting it. into his pocket, potentially altering it. could indeed register as a very serious.

legal offense. in the state of Utah, he. could be charged with a felony for. tampering with evidence just as he. suggests, which is defined under uh the. Utah code as altering, destroying, concealing, or removing a thing or item. with the purpose of impairing its. veracity or availability of the thing or. item in the proceeding or investigation. Now, I want to try to understand that in. terms of what we saw. Again, what we are.

doing here is looking at the evidence of. our eyes under the Utah 1102 rule. Okay? We're doing what Erica's prosecution did. um her prosecution team did at the. preliminary hearing, looking at the. videos and inferring upon what we. believe we see. What is not in dispute. is that Terrell did in fact remove a. physical object from the crime scene. Okay, that's not in dispute. He then. immediately goes behind the tent, puts. in his pocket. Would that count as. concealing?

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But let let. us be charitable and accept Andrew. Kovette's excuse that his intent, which. does actually matter, his intent was not. to steal, but rather to protect because. he really was just trying to secure the. SD card from the evil people who were. stealing hats. But then what he does next, in my. opinion, goes beyond that measure, beyond that predicament. Because with. the SD card now safe and sound in his.

pocket, what was his impetus to then take it out. and insert it into what I presume to be. his personal computer? This, of course, is very crucial, right? Because it would disrupt the chain of. evidence. That's a crucial chain, right? who touched everything as it went along. because it presents a real opportunity. for the files to have been altered. Now, did he zoom into the shot on that camera.

altogether? Did he take the footage, zoom in, and then take that zoomed in footage and. send a Google link over to SBI? Uh, we don't know. What we can say for. certain is that he had zoomed in by the. time he presented it to me nine nine. days later. What we also know, according to the. testimony of David Hull, the lead. investigator, is just as Anna Kasparian. stated, is that he did not hand over. that physical object that he took from.

the crime scene, the SD card, over to. the lead investigators um who were on. the scene, who arrived on the scene. around 1:30, I believe he said. Again, that was demonstrated in court. though. they received a flash drive, never. accounted for SD cards. Now, as for what. could be the gray area here, a question. that might arise uh would be surrounding. his intent. Again, did Terrell know that.

it was a crime scene? Well, Terl himself was the first to. suggest that it was. Actually, he. declared, you'll recall in a selfie. video, that Charlie was dead. specifically he said. he's dead within two minutes within two. minutes approximately of Charlie getting. hit ter knew that Charlie was dead so I. would argue on the basis of a self. selfie video that it would be hard to. suggest that he was not aware that it.

was a crime scene or that a crime had. taken place. We're left then with the possibility. that Terl was texting someone who had. authority who told him within three to. four minutes to secure the footage. But. I strugg I struggle to understand who. would have had that authority plus. Terrell's number to do that so quickly. And I also want to remind you guys that. Tyler Boyer a while ago claimed on X. that it was police that told Terrell to. grab the footage. Remember he tweeted.

this when people were asking, "Hey, why. is Terl tampering?" appeared to be. tampering with evidence. He replied and. he said, "This dude did not tamper with. anything." The law enforcement officers. asked them to turn them over immediately. so they didn't get lost in the commotion. before they took everyone into lockdown. My message is directly pointed at people. like you who are promoting completely. madeup theories and therefore putting. targets on these guys. Knock it off. Now, I replied to this on my show at the. time because I said that's not what. Terrell told me.

I asked him explicitly. He never ever. once claimed that that was true. And I. also want to say that as our timeline. grows tighter, it's hardly possible that. law enforcement officers on the scene. told him to secure the footage because. Terl's video, which he sent me recording. himself, has metadata. And Terl was. filming himself until just after 12:26. So Charlie gets hit at 12 23 and Terl is. filming himself until 12:26 and 16.

milliseconds. It's around almost precisely 12:28 that. he begins taking the camera down. That's. like a minute and a half for someone on. the law enforcement to tell him, "Hey, could you secure that footage?" And I. think we can safely rule out Allan. Robertson because you have to go, "Okay, well, what law enforcement officers were. around who could have done that?" If you. come right up and say and Allan said, "Get the footage." We can safely rule. out Alan Robertson for having told him. to do that because Allan.

would have no idea who Terrell is. He. would have had no idea that it was. Terrell's cameras that it was his setup. in that short time frame. Remember, Allan Robertson, we determined, was just. visiting from Utah State University. He. was undercover because he was there to. check out the protesters ahead of the. event. He was upstairs when Charlie went. down. He was not speaking to any TPUSA. people before this event. He didn't know. who he was from a hole in the wall. And. I was told, and I will say allegedly.

here, that actually Terrell was told to. do the exact opposite. He ignored. instructions like, "Hey, you should not. disturb the crime scene." But he may. have done so anyway out of nerves. People do make honest mistakes in a. crazy situation if they're under. pressure. So, there's that. But this. narrative. uh of the police told him to do that. Terrell himself never made that claim. So what is out of whack here is that has. only come from Tyler Boyer and I. explicitly asked him that. I said, "Why.

did you do this?". He did not tell me he spoke with police. The only person you will recall if you. go back in my episode um I don't know if. that was in October when we started. speaking about this, but Terl only told. me that he spoke with Erica. He did not. specifically say when he spoke to Erica. So, I want to be clear. I'm not. suggesting that she was directing him to. take the cameras down. I'm just. asserting that factually the only person. that he mentioned to me that he spoke to. was Erica. And he also offered that as. his excuse and reason for jumping. immediately to grab the footage. My.

understanding was that it was out of his. own valition because he did not want. Erica to have to see Charlie die in 4K. And then I pushed back and I said, "What. are you talking about? The whole world. saw him die in 4K. why would this back. footage um somehow save her from that? And that's why I thought things were. weird because everybody was saying. something different. You had Tyler. saying the police said it. You had. Terrell saying that he did it out of his. own valition to protect Erica. And you. had Andrew Kovette saying to the public. that this was because he was fearful. that people were going to steal hats.

It was suspicious. The most crucial question, however, is. whether or not he altered the footage, whether or not he zoomed in on that back. footage. Uh, what is he showing Philip. Goldsberry, by the way? What is there to show Philip Goldsberry. approximately 10 minutes after your. founder was murdered on your laptop? Was. he playing Wordle? Was he showing him. his score? These are all fair questions that.

deserve answers because I truly when I. sit down here and I say, "Let me play. devil's advocate." And to be clear, when. you play devil's advocate, you are. advocating for the devil. But we will do. this as a theoretical exercise. What could make sense that he is showing. Philillip Goldsbury on his laptop. within 10 minutes after his founder was. killed? He's registered. I knew Charlie. was dead right away. Okay. So, you know. that he was just murdered. What's on the laptop? Tell me out. I.

actually I want to hear your your. suggestions. Like maybe there's. something I'm like, "Hey, no, Candace.". Like there was this one time that that. happened and I was a part of something. and I decided to go on my laptop. minutes. Make it make sense. I I truly can't think of anything. Now on to another point. One of the. stranger things um that has happened. throughout the course of me presenting. evidence I I feel like the evidence is. positive. I don't know is it positive. negative evidence uh is people keep.

accusing me of lying. It's just. unbelievable. The people that are lying. are accusing me of lying as they grow. angrier and angrier that they are. getting exposed as absolute shills. And. you know uh last week we presented and. obviously it went viral uh an image of. the maroon guy which was presented at. court. The influencers were shown this. 4K clear footage and they failed to.

mention what I would have mentioned if I. saw it, which is that this guy. looks to be wider, a lot wider than. Tyler Robinson. I go online and I have. that unhinged Canadian lawyer claiming. that I used AI, claiming that I'm lying, that I'm essentially committing a type. of fraud, right? To to try to win what. all I want to win is finding out what. actually happened on that day, who. killed Charlie Kirk, were more people.

involved. And it was nonsense. I mean, influencers came out and said that I was. tricked, that somebody who gave me this. is lying. And obviously people looked at. their eyes and they said, "No, the cars. are clearly completely squished in the. footage that the court showed. It's very. obvious that something happened here and. it wasn't Candace. Candace looks like. she corrected the measure." They're. like, "Well, she used AI to do that.". Well, that's not true. And I I should, by the way, correct um that I got an.

email informing me that the correct way. to describe this what was done to the. footage is not to say that it was uh. compressed. You should say that the. aspect ratio was decreased to make. everything look squeezed. It's a more. technical more technically correct to. say the aspect ratio was decreased. rather than saying compressed. Okay, we. all know no one's ever accused me of. being a tech genius. But the point is it. was squished. Okay. The footage that you. saw in court that I saw in court was in.

effect modified. My government source. confirmed that. The people online, like. I said, accused me of AI. So, I don't know. I'm feeling like we should. show you the footage now in video form. so you can see that I did not do that. and they lied as always. Take a look at. this. There you go. And we will show you this in slow motion.

so that there is no confusion that we. did not edit anything. Um, here it is in. slow-mo. Okay, I'm waiting for everybody now to move on. to the next lie that you're going to. tell. Um, I I can't even believe this.

It's just it's so crazy to me that they. need this to be Tyler Robinson and they. are not open to examining this case. which has so many flaws in it and it. really does seem like they're trying to. just pin it on this guy. Now, there are. a few things that I want to say because. many of people assumed and even myself. in some ways, even though I didn't. express it, that the court was behind. this, that the court somehow edited the. footage. But actually, I received an. email from someone who would know, clarifying that it is highly, highly,

highly, highly, highly unlikely that it. was the court that did this. They wrote, "I am a blank that works in a federal. court. Please do not mention my name or. identity um in any way. But I can tell. you categorically that in every federal. court that I have worked in, a video and. photo evidence is never altered in any. way as it would be considered prejudiced. to present it to the jury if it has been. modified in any way. I just wanted to. let you know this. Best of luck with. your continued investigation. So after receiving that, I went back.

through the preliminary hearing and was. trying to establish this chain of. custody and actually realized that we. were told we were informed of the chain. of custody from agent David Hull, the. lead investigator on the case who did. not receive the SD cards. He told us. that um on that very first day on. September 10th, Sergeant Mark Bricker of. the SBI was put in charge of gathering. all of the surveillance on campus at. UVU. And when he later on addressed.

right before they presented the 20inut. sizzle reel, which has the adjusted. aspect ratio, he testified that it was. the Utah County's Attorney's Office that. created it. So, when we saw that 20. minutes, that was put together by the Utah. County's attorney attorney's office. Take a listen to him saying that. >> And I asked you this question yesterday, but did you prepare that video. compilation? >> I did not. >> Okay. Do you know who did?

>> Uh, the Utah County Attorney's Office. >> Okay. So, for clarity, the prosecution. the prosecution, the side that is. representing Erica Kirk, um presented. that it potentially it was them that. decreased the aspect ratio. Maybe it was. the FBI that remains open uh that. decreased the aspect ratio, but somebody. did. And the question is who did it and. why did they do it? And the only answer. I can come up with is because they.

wanted people to believe that the person. that was walking was skinnier than they. were. And the only they can come up with. as to why they would want that to be the. case is because they are hellbent on. presenting an argument that makes people. think that Tyler Robinson acted alone. and murdered Charlie Kirk on the. rooftop. That has been the narrative. from beginning to end. They will not. pivot from it. They will not consider. new facts. They will not address any of. the evidence I am bringing up. They will.

just routinely dismiss it and say that. all I have are vibes and dreams and. Candace never has any real evidence. The. talking points are just growing. increasingly absurd because I can't. imagine how much more evidence we could. present. I could actually I could. imagine it because we're going to do it. Uh, but I wanted to show you that just. to shut down another lie and to tell you. that you are completely justified in. still believing in your own eyes and. ignoring the final instruction from. these people who want to tell you what.

you are seeing uh when it is not in fact. what you are seeing. Did Tyler Robinson do this? Prove it. That's on you. you. It's on you to. convince us and to not use tricks like. modifying or altering footage. Um potentially, Terl, we'd love to know. what happened here. If if he did do. that, if he did zoom in, the answer is. the question becomes why did he do that? And I will say this, I tend to agree. that it is because as Nissi demonstrated.

in YouTube, again, this is my opinion, it showed what happened below. I think that that if there was an. impetus to to zoom in on that footage, it would be because you did not want it. to show the traditional shot of what was. happening at Charlie's feet. Anyway, that's my opinion. I'm sticking to it. We'll be right back to address Andrew. Kulvat, who is just off off the chains. right now. And there's so many lies.

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I know what you're thinking. It really. seems like Turning Point USA has. something to do with this guy. Nope. They made it very clear they don't. He. just went in there and came out and. suddenly really wanted to go hard at. Candace Owens. Anyway, uh it starts. obviously the conversation with just an. exceptional coping session. And what I. love about Andrew Kulvette just saying. something nice about him is he is. completely unaware of himself in a way. that is I don't know I you you have to. envy it. He's so unaware of himself. He.

thinks that he can just say words and. he's also a very bad liar and he's going. to establish all of that in this. conversation. He can't remember things. that he said last week. Obviously he. doesn't have a timeline. He should have. a timeline because then he wouldn't make. these sorts of mistakes. But let's just. start with Andrew's cope of him. basically trying to suggest that I won. the argument, but not really because. it's going to age in the future and then. I'm going to lose the argument maybe. This is what he had to say.

>> I predicted that this this debate that. you were going to win it because the. truth is on your side, right? And as. somebody who's lived this firsthand, I I. know all the garbage when they when they. continually drone on about this stuff. and how many lies are continually laced. in and just repeated adnauseium so that. the internet begins to believe them. So. I knew that, but I knew also that she. has a bigger following, bigger followers. on YouTube, whatever. I So I knew that. immediately there was going to be this. rush to say who won, who who won. But I.

predicted this. I said this will age. really well because what I was watching. is that she conceded the whole debate. very early on multiple times at every. different point and juncture. She kept. conceding the point walking things back. and that as the commentariat kind of. comes in that has you know an IQ above. room temperature and pointed that out. for people that it was going to then be. this kind of finishing effect after the. debate. Is that what you have seen,

>> Andrew? It is not wine. Okay. Debates. don't age. You know, you don't keep them. in a cellar at a consistent temperature. and tell people to open it up in a few. uh years and it'll sound better. He just. lost. And that's okay, by the way. That. is actually totally fine. That happened. sometimes. It could happen to me in the. future. And what's really funny about. hearing this sort of a cope is that, as. you guys know, Charlie trained me in. debating. And one of the things that he. always said was, "If you lose a debate,

own it. Own it." He's like, "The. internet will forget. If you have a bad. moment, they will not forget if you try. to gaslight them and pretend it didn't. happen." And so, you're supposed to just. come right out and be like, "Look, was. it my best day?" Um, definitely realize. that I could have delivered this better. or that better. And like you know I. actually somebody who did this and it. the internet kind of a little bit forgot. about it was when Ben Shapiro did BBC. and he got completely crushed in a. debate. Kind of got bratty and said I'm.

famous or something and uh wanted to end. the conversation. He did end the. conversation so he sort of stormed off. and it went completely viral and but he. went onto his platform and he said yep I. own that. I was not prepared. Here's. what I did wrong. And that is so much. more preferable to audiences because. they're not being gaslighted. Like. obviously he did a he was terrible. Just. own it and people will forgive and. forget but obviously they are not. carrying on the torch for Charlie. whatsoever. Anyway, I want you to hear.

how Andrew Wilson responded. >> Oh 100%. So um essentially what happened. here was really interesting. the Baron Coleman's of the world and the. sort of law tube picked all of this up. and just started tearing her position to. pieces immediately. And the commentators. in the debate sphere are just they're. making a mockery of her. They think that. she's a lunatic, has no idea what she's. talking about. And then on the flip side.

to that too, you even have mainstream. coverage. And even on the main street. coverage, um it's the same thing. They're like, "Well, well, where's any. of the evidence for any of these. supposed claims?" and we never got to. any. So, not only will it age well, but. what what I thought that it would do. more than anything else, to be uh as. candid as possible, I thought that it. would up the pressure of people. questioning the questioners. And I've. seen a lot of that now moving on social. media of people saying, "Hey, wait a. second. Where is the actual evidence?" I.

got hundreds of DMs, for instance, from. people who didn't know that the. steakhouse receipt was a complete phony. fraud, that the whole thing is a fraud. Well, can I just say no idea that that. was the case? >> Can I just say something? So, we have. Andrea Birkhart. She's going to join us. uh on the show tomorrow. She is. apolitical as it comes. Like she is not. like on a side at all. And I asked her, I said, "If they had exculpatory. evidence, whether it's the parents that. actually, you know, think he's innocent. or they have some steakhouse receipt, would they not present that at the.

preliminary hearing?" And she was like, "Absolutely they would.". >> No. Duh. No lawyer if they have. exculpatory evidence that proves the. timelines wrong that pro proves the. parents don't actually think it would. would not use that evidence because. those lawyers are then basically binding. their their client over for three years. in prison for something that he didn't. actually do. They absolutely would have. presented that evidence at preliminary. hearing. Okay. >> I still do not understand why they keep.

trying to imagine that this penguish. steakhouse cowboy steakhouse thing is. fake and is a fraud. It's just not. I. don't know how many times I can say. this. I I guess I'm gonna basically say. to them what I said to Andrew face to. face is you can keep saying this. You're. going to eventually embarrass yourself. As I said, they got in touch with the. FBI. The FBI is aware of this. The FBI. took a statement from the Odor. I spoke. to the Who is doing the fraud, I guess, is the question. Who's doing the fraud? Is the fraud in the room with us right. now, guys? Like I I know that this. completely blows up everything and.

that's why you guys are trying to. convince the public that this is a this. didn't happen, but I spoke to the owner. Uh the server has been has given an. interview. There is a receipt. If you're. trying to wonder why they didn't present. this exculpatory evidence, uh maybe you. should try paying attention to the. hearings because back during the one in. April, they kept saying that they did. not get granted discovery that they had. so many things that they needed to go.

through and that they wanted to take. that time to the reason why they were. asking for an extension on that. preliminary hearing was because they had. so many things to go through and they. were not receiving their discovery. request which could have potentially. included exculpatory evidence. This was. found, this language thing was actually. found by podcasters. Podcasters who were. investigating stumbled upon this and. like I said, the FBI was contacted. There is a report made. It happened. I'm. so sorry you guys, but it happened. Now,

is it possible if if they weren't being. absurd, they would just say, "Okay, yeah, I hear you, but Candace, is it. possible that the server just. misidentified him?" And then I'd say, "Yeah, of course. There's always a. possibility that people truly believe. that they see someone Allah Nick uh. Mitch Snow and we did the Fort Wuka. thing. We can verify that this person um. was at the restaurant. We can verify. that they called the FBI. We can verify. that the owner pulled the receipt. We. can verify what the person ate, that. there is a receipt, and that it was paid.

for on a debit card. Asking me to go to. the Visa merchant is absurd and insane. Uh but it happened. I don't I don't know. what else to say to you. like, okay, we're just going to keep following that. But that receipt is going to become. critical and it could in fact prove to. be exculpatory. So stay tuned. The next. bit of what takes place on this show is. a like a whole fake bit of transparency. where essentially Andrew Kovette. pretends that he's going to allow Andrew. Wilson to ask them anything. Like we're.

oh, we're going to do what Candace. wouldn't do. You can just ask us. anything. Okay. So, we're hoping that. he's going to start asking him re. relevant things about the case, the many. holes, the way that they're behaving. Um, some of the evidence that I've. presented on this show, some of the. videos that I have presented, asking him. about potentially other players. No, all. this means is please give me an. opportunity to trash Candace. And he. does this amazing thing. Andrew Kovette, right out the gate tries to smear me as. a Hitler lover. And it's so offensively.

dishonest that it's even too much for. Andrew Wilson. He actually fact checks. First, you got Blake. You're going to. see him laugh. She loves Hillary. And then just watch. Blake's face transform as he realizes. that Andrew Wilson's not going to let. them get away with that. And he's like, I feel like kind of taking that way out. of context. Take a listen. It's. brilliant. Then she had that event where she. basically said Hitler was great if he. just would have stayed, you know, in uh. Germany, stayed in Germany.

>> Stayed in Germany, which, you know, there's a lot of problems. >> Now, to be to be fair and charitable. here, right, just to be as as uh. unbiased as possible. I went I did go. back and review that clip uh as that. seemed like it was the turning point for. turning point was that actual clip. >> Sure. uh it didn't it it seemed to me. that um she wasn't actually trying to. make any sort of like apologetics for. Hitler, but rather she was trying to. make a comparison to nationalism and.

saying that as a nationalist she thought. he did a good job. Um and that was and. then you know she basically just kind of. misspoke and buried herself with that uh. that particular lead but obviously it. became a massive PR nightmare for. Turning Point, right? That's that's how. that ended up playing out. >> Well, I think it's one of those. statements where you can defend it and. then, you know, in isolation. and then events afterwards, I think, lend greater greater clarity to it. >> Yeah. It was part of a whole.

>> Yeah. Like the defense you could make. is, oh, she just meant, oh, he wanted. Germany's economy to grow. He wanted to. undo Versailles. She didn't mean the. weird, you know, kill all the Jews. Except then. >> 2023, 2024, she actually becomes. obsessed with the Jews all the time. >> Yeah, I I would say it was part of a. hole though to your point. Yeah, you. could if that was a one-off, you. probably could have defended it. But. then we had a bunch of chapters that uh. were really up up in arms about it. And. then you had this I think it was the. Christ Church shooter in New Zealand.

that like said she was this guy was. inspired by Candace. It was like a whole. bunch of stuff. >> just absolutely mortifying that. that. Andrew Wilson actually watched the clip. We weren't talking about Jews at all and. we were talking about the topic of. nationalism and I was asked a question. specifically like Candace when you say. that you're a nationalist some people. might attribute that to Adolf Hitler and. I said well it's not attributable to. Adolf Hitler because Adolf Hitler if he. had just wanted to stay in Germany and. make Germany great we wouldn't have an.

issue with that. No one would have an. issue in that but he didn't just want to. do that. He had ambitions outside of. Germany. That's what I said and they. took that and Blake it is just little. sneering. We're going to try to lie to try to make. it seem as though I supported Adolf. Hitler. That is why Turning Point USA is. trash. They are trash for that. There. was no confusion. It was just an attempt. to smear me and it was a bridge too far. for Andrew Wilson who said, "Okay, but. like I watched that clip and that's not.

what was happening." Then they obviously. move on. And by the way, he says, "Oh, well then later on she gets obsessed. with Jews." First off, he's talking. about a gap of 2018 when I was speaking. about nationalism on stage with Charlie. By the way, they're leaving that part. out as well. I was with Charlie and. journalists were in the room and nobody. had a problem with it at all. And then. Buzzfeed pulls the clip months later and. then he fast forwards and says, "Oh, but. you know, in 2024 later on, there was an. issue where Candace said, you know,

genocide is always wrong." And that's. when things are getting she's obsessed. with not killing children in Israel. That's what he really means. So then. they move on and they try to reassert. this idea that Charlie and I were not. friends. And this is always my favorite. one because Andrew is so accidentally. stupid that he doesn't realize that he. debunks himself in just like one. sweeping statement. He's going to try to. make fun and then he's going to debunk. it. So listen to what Blake says and.

what Andrew says and I'm going to then. allow you to listen to what Charlie. said. Take a listen. And so I'd like to. start by going all the way back and. maybe you can tell us actually what the. relationship was between Candace Owens. and Charlie Kirk. What actually was it? >> You know, I'd like to go first there, even though you have far more to say, Andrew, because I can just speak from my. perspective as someone who arrived late. 22, moved out here in 23. That. >> I have never met Candace Owens and don't.

know her. >> Thank you. >> May maybe I saw her in person once at a. distance. Maybe I shook her hand. I've. never had a conversation with her to my. knowledge. And I think that speaks to. something because I was with Charlie for. close to three years. And I feel like I. met most of the people Charlie was super. close with. I met donors. I met his. family members. I met his team. I met a. lot. And I don't know Candace. So, I. like to use that as a preface, but you. have more that you can say about that. >> Yeah. And Blake, you have that great. video. >> that every plays of you reacting to.

Candace your your. >> Oh, yeah. I'm kind of like raising my. eyebrow. >> It's fair to say Blake was early on the. uh on the being suspicious uh train. Um. >> yeah, if you go back far enough I mean. that's why I mean I put out that tweet. basically saying, you know, Candace, your central foundational lie is that. you and Charlie were friends. You were. not friends, right? Show me something. from recent, you know, the end of. Charlie's life, the last 12 months or. whatever. I think she she and then I.

said 18 months, 24 months. I think she. showed something at 22 months. And so I. got community noted, right? Um, okay, whatever. U, what I can tell you is that. I think Charlie and Candace were friends. back in 2018, part of 2019. That did not. end well. Um, at all actually. So weird because if it didn't end well. at all, it's the question becomes, why. were Charlie and Erica at my wedding at. the end of 2019? And what's funny is he. mentions this clip of Blake at the.

beginning of it. But that clip that he's. referring to is Charlie discussing our. friendship in November of 2023. So he's. trying to say we haven't been friends. since 2018, but he references this clip. of Charlie and Blake looking unhappy. about it because Blake didn't know. Charlie. Blake didn't know who Charlie's. friends were as he admits. He's like, "I. didn't meet Candace because I got. married and had children and lived on. the other side of the country. That's. just how it works. My best friends I see. about once or twice a year because we've. moved. Friends that live in Florida,

people that live in Connecticut, that's. just the way life works when you get. married and start having kids. The. donors are not his friends. Blake, I. know you guys love money, but when he. says, "I've met his friends." Like, I I. mean, I know the donors. You're just a. work colleague, so you see him every day. at work. You don't know Charlie. You. guys are not his friends. And this clip. is what he is referring to as he then. moves on and says that we weren't. friends until 20 and since 2018. He. keeps going backwards. It's like he. keeps going a year back. Listen to.

Charlie in his own words in November of. 2023. >> I mean Candace is she's on our team. She's the best, right? I mean we're. we're we're on team Candace and I'm also. you know I I'm on team Freedom Center, too. But you know I got I got a text. message from some lunatic. Charlie, why. do you have her still speaking at. Amfest? I said, "Lose my number.". >> I said, "Lose my number.". >> Wow. >> I said, "You obviously haven't been. through the Charlie C." Tyler remembers. the Charlie Candace thing. >> I mean, from the.

>> I I I thought you were married. >> They thought you were Charlie. They were. like, "Are they buried?" Remember? >> Oh, it was it was like it by the way, it. was this unsubstantiated internet rumor. >> Yeah, that's not true. Not true, but. >> it's not true. Okay. I'm remembering. some choice memes that I I definitely. don't have saved on on my backup hard. drives. >> I disagree with Jack. Can I Can I take a. moment to Jack? >> I disagree with Jack. She's not higher.

than him on the graphic because her. name's shorter. She's high she's higher. than him on the graphic because he's a. white male. >> Wow. Wow. Racism. Racism. It turned. You. know what? Maybe Tyler is right. >> Blake did that. Blake was the Tyler is. altight after all. So they want you to think that Charlie. just is lying there. He's reminiscing. and he's lying and that actually word. team Candace lose my number. He says to. someone who wasn't his friend. I mean. it's just such an absurdity that they.

have to do this. And I have presented. evidence every year. every year from. 2018. They keep sticking to this 2018. timeline because after Charlie passed, I. showed people text messages of Charlie. predicting his own death in 2018 because. that is relevant that in 2018, Charlie. foresaw that he was going to die young. and that I was going to carry on the. torch. Uh saying, "Be my David. I don't. think I'm going to live this thing. through." When I signed on the dotted. line with Turning Point USA, from the. moment that I I signed on the line from. Turning with Turning Point USA, he.

started having visions of his own death. That is the reason that they started. this ridiculous narrative that I didn't. speak to Charlie since 2018. It's such a. nonsense and it's so easily debunked. We've debunked it so many times on this. show and yet they still are trying to. push it because they have nothing left. They cannot respond to anything and they. are trying to rewrite Charlie's history. Charlie and I were very close. We were. like brother and sister and yes we spent. so much time together when we were. obviously both single and once you. become a parent and get married you your.

relationship has to change your priority. and also has you have to have respect. for his wife which I did he was married. and he has to respect for my husband. George became close to Charlie the whole. year of our engagement we traveled. around with Charlie and we have so many. memories he has so many messages with. Charlie um and so I don't know it just. makes me laugh that they think that they. do this. It's It's just not going to be. possible. We just spent such good great. time together. And whenever we think. about it, you see it on on me as well. I.

just reflect on it with just so much. happiness and I'm happy that I've gotten. back to that where that anger that I. felt and the grief that I felt is now. moving into acceptance like I keep. telling you where I'm able to just. revisit everything and just be so. grateful for the time that I had with. Charlie and how staunchly we always. offended each other whenever we were. going through anything. And then of. course in the very next breath, which. I'm not going to show you, he then says, "Oh, she had he totally had her back. when she got fired from the Daily Wire.". Yeah, Andrew, that's now now your.

timeline is pushed up to 2024. I was. fired in March of 2024. So, how long are. you trying to say that we weren't. friends for it? It's just such a. nonsense. Truly, let it go, Blake. Nobody knows who you are. Neither did. Charlie. Okay, you started working for. him in 2023. You're not laughing because. you don't know anything. Tyler's. laughing because he does. And it it is, like I said, it was like a coming of age. together and a real relationship was. forged. And you just don't have the. power to wipe that away. I'm sorry, Andrew. You can't even put your timeline.

together. Get a timeline. My timeline is. my timeline is so good. Anyway, this. part was the most incredible to me of. like when uh he asks him doesn't say. positive evidence, but he asks him for. an example of, you know, why uh why I. left Turning Point USA and he says I was. difficult to work with and here's what. Andrew Kulvette explains happened one. time. >> Could you give more details there? Even. I would like to hear that like what. caused her to depart if we can say. >> Well, I mean here there there's two.

things really and part of it is you got. to give credit where it's due. She was a. rising star. She was growing really. fast. You know, Charlie famously sort of. offered her a job. What did you Sorry if. I missed something that you said, Andrew. Oh, okay. >> Oh, you're good. Yeah. So, she was, you. know, Charlie offered her a job uh. basically right on meeting her. Kind of. saw that she was uh somebody that could. help Turning Point, help the movement in. his opinion. And then they they you. know, she explodes onto the scene. And. you know, Kanye had that tweet where he.

was like, "I like the way Candace Owens. thinks." And it was it was kind of like. a a rocket ship, right? Um and then they. had but but she became more and more. difficult to work with. Uh more and more. issues with the team. Uh and then she. had that moment. >> When you say when you say difficult to. work with, what do you mean? >> I think, you know, she was very aware of. her rising star power. Um and so she. started exerting more uh demands on. timing on where she could be deployed. uh what schools it it and.

>> so she was becoming like a primadonna. >> You could use that word. >> That's what I've heard. I've definitely. heard complaints from people who have. worked with her. >> Yeah. And that that continued on after. when we started working with her uh. later on just you know I think I think. she canled an event with us and our. event team still tells this story you. know like the day before and we had to. scramble to get it replaced because you. know she ended up in like France with. Kanye or something the next day. I just want to address that because. again it just he's such a slimeball.

That is the only time that I canled an. event with Turning Point USA. So he's. telling the truth. By the way, that's. 2022, late 2022. I thought me and. Charlie were not supposed to be friends. Everyone remembers the moment that I. went to France and I wore the White. Lives Matter t-shirt. Obviously, it was. not a planned trip whatsoever. I had no. idea that Kanye was going to call me and. he was going to invite me. And because. of our friendship, Charlie knew how much. Kanye meant to me. And this moment, the. fact that we had built Turning Point. USA, this machine, uh, I had just also.

released a documentary on Black Lives. Matter. I had stumped so many college. campuses for Turning Point USA, raising. money, uh, with this vision of waking. black people up to uh, the Democratic. Party and some of the lies, you know, this constantly being sold as a victim. So Charlie was there for that entire. journey. Like Charlie and me, Kanye. obviously like he says is the reason. that Turning Point USA was put on the. map. I love the way Ken Owens thinks and. then it was an absolute rocket ship for. both of us, for me and for Charlie. And.

so when I called Charlie and I was like, I just got invited and he knew how much. Kanye meant to me and my life and my. growth and giving me the strength. Uh. his music, I would constantly run to it. Charlie was running to it every single. day and he knew that I had a moment to. make all of this come together and go to. France. I called him and I said, "Charlie, like it was the only thing on. my calendar. I had Turning Point USA and. I was like, I will literally give. anything to be able to go on this. event." Like, he was like, "Of course. you have to go." It was actually a.

demonstration of our unique friendship. Of course, you have to go. Please just. get me a substitute for who like who can. speak for you. I then called Michael. Nolles and asked him if he would sub for. me and I was unbelievably apologetic to. the team. I had never ever ever in our. entire working relationship had I ever. canled an event. And Andrew brings this. up as if this proves but I was a diva. No, it proved that Charlie really knew. how much something meant to me and we.

made it work and it was atypical and it. was one time and it was at in late 2022. So, I just wanted to answer for that. because I couldn't believe he tried to. repackage that as if like I was some. diva and was like, "Peace to the team. I'm just going to France to go shop and. not that I had asked Charlie uh for. permission to do that." And Dehe was. just so gracious and amazing and. supportive as he always was. And um. yeah, so if the event team is still. talking about that, I tell him to get. over it. I mean, it's just so.

ridiculous. This is still the worst. thing I've ever lived through. Like, calm down. Anyway, um I do also also. want to show you this um clip which. they're trying to push, which is Candace. told me she was gonna burn Turning Point. USA to the ground. All right, Andrew, let us hear what you have to say. >> But I remember one conversation, it was. probably like five or six days after, and I remember I had flown to DC. We had. JD Vance uh hosted Charlie's show on. that Monday after. So Charlie was uh.

killed on a Wednesday and then JD hosts. the show on the Monday. So I remember I. flew back, landed in the airport and I. believe I was talking to Candace and she. said something that I've not publicly. communicated yet, but basically it was. it was that um if the wrong people take. over the organization and she said this. I'll never forget it. She says I will. burn down that organization. I swear to. God. And you mean turning point? >> Turning point if the wrong people. And I. just assumed because she was very.

obviously. >> anti-Jews at this time like there was. five days, six days after whatever it. was. >> She said, "I'm going to burn down that. organization. I swear to God." And I. just thought she meant if the Jews take. over or something. >> Ben Shapiro. Let's just say the name. People were throwing out because Ben. Shapiro had appeared on the show. So. people ran with like Ben Shapiro has now. taken over. >> Well, he hadn't appear. I don't know if. he had appeared on that. I think he was. actually going to show up the next day. on the Tuesday because. >> Yeah, Blake, you have no idea what. you're talking about. Actually, if you. go back and watch my show, I said early. on and now I have a different opinion. I.

said I think people that all think that. Ben Shapiro because he said pick up the. bloody mic wants to take over Turning. Point USA. I said I think that that's. just wrong. I'm on record saying that. So, you can't just make stuff up, Blake, and pretend that I was taking the bait. about Ben Shapiro. What I was actually. taking the bait on was the conversations. that I was having with Andrew Kovette on. the phone. I was speaking to Andrew. Kovette on the phone every single day. and it was Andrew Kovette who was. telling me and we were speaking about a. potential foreign angle in Charlie's. assassination. Okay, I can show you text.

messages to that effect. I can actually. show you this call log if you can pull. it up. He's talking about literally on. August 14th um after he and I had been. speaking. It was just you have the exact. date, Andrew, in case you want to make a. timeline. September 14th, 2025 was when. you and I spoke for 17 minutes. Um, on. the 13th, on the 12th, you were the one. that was telling me about the Bill Aman. summit. You were the one that was. telling me about BBnet and Yahoo's uh. letter and uh telling me that Mikey. McCoy had this letter on Charlie's. laptop and you told me basically that.

Charlie in this letter said to. that he was kind of pulling away from. the Israel cause. We talked about that. extensively. You were the one that told. me about the text messages. Notice I'm. saying plural text messages to Dan Flood. and to yourself the night before that. Charlie thought that he was going to be. killed. And you never ever ever once. said and when I spoke to other people. who confirmed this that it was the left. In fact, I specifically asked you who is. they and you said I don't know. You were.

the one who told me about that chat uh. that Charlie saying I'm abandoning the. pro-Israel cause. So don't make it seem. like you it's weird that I was thinking. about Israel in those days. And then BB. Netanyahu goes on and says I didn't kill. him as you are feeding me this. information that I would not have had. otherwise about how Charlie declined to. have BB Netanyahu on his show and he was. growing um increasingly more agitated. with Israeli involvement and willing to. walk away from this. And I can even show. a text message uh that I sent to you and.

then we talked on the phone because. you're a PR agent. So whenever I would. text, you would call. Smart, smart way. to do this. But where I even said to you. after BB went on and held up the letter, I messaged you because you were the one. that told me about the letter and said. this um. like this. This was our conversation. I can't sleep just destroyed September. 11th. This is all September 11th, but. you were on a plane, so it was coming in. weird. You wrote same in and out of.

sleep and I'm up again. I said, who did. this? this was a government hit. We need. answers. And then you can see on. September 11th, we you and I had a. conversation and I said, BB's lying. about the contents of a letter that. Charlie wrote him. He's making it seem. like it was just him writing a love. letter about how much he loves Israel. I. know that's not true and it's making me. sick. I know it wasn't true because. Andrew Kovette was the one who told him. about the letter. So, it's just. incredible that he is reintroducing this. um as if Candace was like, "She's going. to burn." Like, I was basically saying. that if this is true and there is. foreign involvement, like we will burn.

this place to the ground. If they're if. they're staging this to try to take over. his company, meaning we because I'm. talking to you and this is Charlie's. organization and we don't know who. killed him yet. We don't know what the. motive was. And he was totally. supportive and giving me more. information and now he's pretending. like, "Oh, I don't know why she said. that. I don't know. I was so scared. And. actually, what he said to me on the 14th. was, "No, on that front, we're good. We. don't have to worry about that because.

the board has already voted in Erica, don't say this yet. We're not announcing. it publicly, but Erica is taking over. the company." And what I said to him. was, "Thank God." So, he left that out. He left out the context that actually. Candace became a bull. And as I was. telling her information about how. Charlie was pulling away from Israel as. a poss possible motive um for what. happened as we had no answers. I mean. this is 4 days after Charlie's. assassination. We didn't know anything. We didn't know if there were foreign. ties. We knew nothing. And he is giving.

me this Israeli narrative. Now he's. like, "Oh, I think it was she just. thought it was the Jews. I don't know. why." Well, you do know why, Andrew, that I thought Israel was involved in. this and why I still believe that there. is an Israeli angle. And to try to. wrench yourself out of that as the. person who was my number one source on. all of this information is complete. lunacy. And I think I have a message where I. even said give Erica my number. I did. Was that on there where I was like give. Erica my new number? Like I'm 14th after. we're talking about this. I'm angry now. I'm at a stage of real anger. Also.

please send Erica my new number. She. only has my old one. your whole. narrative that you're trying to sell now. as if you know I was very happy that. Erica was taking over the organization. and when I was fearful that there could. have been some sort of outside foreign. involvement and motive with Israel um. who wanted his organization for reasons. that were not yet clear but we all knew. BB's behavior was very strange afterward. and you agreed with that so try to tell. the truth Andrew try to put things in. their proper context tell the truth.

about France and what was going on and. why Charlie agreed to it tell the truth. about why Israel was on my mind. What. you said about Bill Aman staging an. intervention. What you said about. Charlie declining to have BB on his. show. Um which you also admitted that. you even expressed that concern to Joe. Kent, which you now make it seem like. he's an enemy. But you were the one who. put the Israel narrative in everyone's. mind. Andrew, it was you. Uh and by the. way, I think for the first time ever, you were telling the truth. You were.

telling the truth. and then you suddenly. pulled it all back and started lying and. have been attacking us since the people. who are trying to get to the bottom of. this. And I I have to. I don't know assume that you're doing it. out of fear. That's I mean that's the. most charitable read on why you're lying. in this way uh is out of fear because if. you truly do believe that Israel had. something to do with Charlie's. assassination, then you would probably.

recognize that they would have no. trouble assassinating you, too. Again, that is my most charitable read, but I. wanted uh to put things in their proper. context because this is all they have. left. Of course, they spent no time. going over any of the explosive evidence. or answering any of the questions that. we actually want to know from Turning. Point USA. uh because they're not going. to do that. Anyway, we'll be right back. after a brief break. All right, you. guys. I have to tell you about something. that I switched that's made a huge. difference for me, and that is my cell. phone service. I switched to Pure Talk, and I genuinely love having them as my.

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in Vegas writes, "The truth will come. out regardless of whoever is trying to. hide it. Thank you for your eye opening. work. I pray for the world to wake up to. the evil that is all around us and for. your safety. We know how it ends. God. always wins. Christ is king. Enjoy your. muchdeserved week off. Thank you guys um. so much for that. And yeah, it's it's. also just good because we are doing so. much research and we just need to like. break as a team and you know, it's high. stakes. We want to make sure that we're. not making any mistakes that we're. thoroughly building out our timeline, following up on leads, trying to um.

close others and that just takes time. So that's really why we started doing. the six weeks on, one week off. structure, which is has proven to be. very beneficial for us and I think the. show has gotten better because of it. Seven Sheets writes, "I have to do this. for Andrew. Roomtemp IQ so delusional. How's the Andrew Kovette channel going? Smart guy." Also, Blake never met her. Candace laughs. Yeah, we believe you, Candace. And lastly, I'm going to miss. you over your well-deserved break. Please never stop. We want justice for. that undeniably great man Charlie Kirk. and against those who are trying to.

hijack his important needed message. Yeah. I mean I would when we were. discussing that of course like if. Charlie was killed for his company. that's the right perspective to have. that I will breathe fire on this. company. And then I thought everything. was great because Erica took over and. now I'm going oh my gosh no it actually. isn't great. And I think that that's. what's making Andrew so angry is that he. knew more than I knew. obviously and so. what would have been taken as a sign of. friendship like hey let's get together I.

always said that to you and my mindset. in those early days was I just never for. a single second thought anything Turning. Point USA uh would have indicated that. Turning Point USA was suspicious and I. went in there with all a genuine heart. like basically saying to Andrew like use. me as your dragon because if this is how. this went down and Charlie lost his life. to this I'm just so angry and like we. have to fight it it was basically a call. to war. Yeah. And I'm, by the way, I'm. very proud of that. I'm proud that I was. loyal to Charlie and was willing to.

fight uh it whoever it is. And that's. what I'm doing right now. I'm still. doing that. I made that clear. I said. that on my own show my own show in those. early days. You're not breaking any. news. I said on my own show that anybody. who did this, who who um was with or. somehow coordinated and trying to take. down Charlie for their own selfish means. had been an enemy of me. And I meant. that. And it sure as heck is not because. of some narrative that I wanted his. company. Like I do not want to run a. 501c3. Thank you very much. My life is.

great. I don't even run my own company. So I'm good. Uh life is life is good. being a mom and being able to podcast. Bigfoot believer writes, "Something that. really saddens me is knowing in my gut. that Tyler Robinson made friends with a. bad crowd and is now sitting in jail for. something that he did not do and will. most likely be given life imprisonment, if not death. I have a 22-year-old and I. think about that and it hurts my soul. You know, I've said from the beginning. that I I think he's got mixed up in. something. I know that he was around. campus that day because of a source. I.

um am open to thinking that there are. multiple people that are wearing maroon. shirts. Like maybe Tyler is the one. that's walking down the street. Maybe he dropped Lance. So, I don't. know. Um we were the ones that obviously. revealed the Dairy Queen photo, so we. know he was around campus that day. And. I told you that the story that I got was. that he was dumping clothes uh in the in. a cemetery. Okay. What does that mean? Could that mean that his tampering with. evidence charge is appropriate or.

obstruction of justice if that's the. perhaps? And I'm open to all of that. But the idea that he's the one who fired. the shot at Charlie Kirk, I don't even. know if a shot was fired. I don't even. believe a shot was fired from Los. Center. Forget whether or not he fired some. miracle bullet shot and one and done and. then jumped off a rooftop. Absolutely. not. I don't buy that. I'm at 0%. That's. what I'm at. I am at 0%. that Tyler Robinson shot and killed. Charlie Kirk from Loy Rooftop. Open to other theories about how he.

could have been involved and whether he. got swept up in something because of. Lance, who I find to be remarkably. suspicious. Impact CPA writes, "Very. important. Who is Terald texting after. getting the SD card?" Shapiro team again. like in the car going to the hospital. That video angle needed to be quickly. checked and altered if necessary. Mike. shards a particular person. What or who. go Max? Well, it would be very helpful. if they just came out and answered some. questions and we wouldn't have to. speculate, but we know that that's not. going to happen and they're going to say. it's all in the purview of law.

enforcement. Capital T for Truth writes, "Tpose USA likes making this harder for. themselves. the so-called text message. from Charlie still does not put Tyler. Robinson on the roof or the rifle in his. hand. Now, they have to prove he's on. the left. Even Lance said that they. never talked about Charlie or LGBTQ. And. and we're not supposed to have a. reaction to that. Apparently, that yes, their entire narrative is that this was. a political assassination and it was. because he was radical on the topic of. LGBTQ. And so they want us to believe Lance.

when he hands over his messages, but not. to believe Lance when he says that he. was not political and they never talked. about LGBTQ issues. It doesn't work that. way. It does not work that way. Autumn. writes, "Tweedle D and Tweedle Dumb can. talk to Smokey about you, but they can't. just publicly talk to you. That would. only prove them to be lying, conniving, imbeciles that they are. I pray for. their day of reckoning. Penance them. Truth daily. Go Max girl." Honestly, like the laugh that like Blake is doing. is just so funny to watch his face. transform once he realizes that Andrew.

Wilson watched that clip and noted that. I didn't do or say anything wrong and. they were literally trying to make me a. Hitler apologist. It's it's really. something. And like I said, exposes what. their motives are. And yeah, I always. say the offer still stands. I never. asked to debate Turning Point. I would. love to sit down with Turning Point. publicly and to discuss these matters. and maybe put some of these alternative. theories to bed. Uh that would be.

beneficial I think for both sides. But. they are in such a place of anger and. spending money to just have people try. to destroy me. And we have spent zero. dollars zero dollars trying to get. anybody to go after them. We've just. been focused on trying to solve this. case and noticing a lot of. inconsistencies. Thumbelina's Grace. writes, "Gosh, they are so exhausting. It's like watching three church ladies. meeting at the fence post to gab about. the latest town gossip. It is it is like. watching that. There's no substance to. that show anymore." Uh Charlie discussed. ideas. They clearly had Andrew on to.

just try to smear Candace and it is. going to backfire because everything. they do always does. Suburban Style. writes, "Hi Candace. My brother and I. watch and discuss your show every day. Would you please help me wish my brother. Alla happy 50th? Go, Max. And thank you. Happy 50th, Al. I hope you have an. amazing birthday. And I hope you're um. listening to my podcast and are going to. going to be able to hear me say that or. at least have um your sister or your. brother clip this out so that you know. that I hope it was a good one. Spend.

time with your family. Simon Webster. writes writes, "Candice, imagine you're. in the X-Men universe and have Professor. X X's telepathy. You can read minds within a 250 mile. radius. Which five people in the world. would you deliberately get close enough. to read and why those five? I would go. right into Turning Point, obviously, and get answers for Charlie Kirk's. assassination. That would be the thing. that I did immediately. I'd probably do. uh Cash Patel on the day of the tweeting.

and what they were going to do. I would. probably do um. Andrew, I don't want to be in his mind. I just I it's just so wasteful. Um I. would do Erica Kirk for sure because. it's a it's a puzzle and I think that. the world would like to know what's. happening in there and maybe question. get some answers to some of the things. that she's done thereafter. I would.

definitely do someone that was on the. ground that day like Mikey McCoy um who. had a lot of action and could definitely. we therefore be able to access his. memories of what really went down at. Temponogus and hospital and beyond in. the leadup to that. And I just really. don't want to be in Blake's head. Um, I. probably would access Mike Mitchell's. mind as well because he has been a. central character in all of this that we. just don't get to see and meet and seems.

like he brought things together. Am I at. five? I feel like then I have to do one. more and it would probably be Lance. Twigs. But I think yeah, every anybody. who watches the show knows that in I'm a. huge X-Men fan and I'm Mystique always. I'm always Mystique. So don't play this. I don't want to be professor. I want to. be Mystique. Just my but it has to be. specifically not the Jennifer Lawrence. Mystique. It's this one that's up on the. screen which is Rebecca Roma Stamos. So, thank you for playing the game. That's.

me right there. The blue chick on the. screen. Uh we I think I think I got. everybody here. No, I missed Pri. Pri. wrote, "Imagine being grown men sitting. on your dead friend's podcast talking. crap about a pregnant woman and thinking. that you are doing the Lord's work. I I. It's just pathetic." It really is. They. should just shut down the show. him. trying to basically appeal to authority. Well, when people who had high IQs got. on, you mean the neocon frauds who tell. us that we should go to war with Iran? Who who said that you won? It's just.

it's exhausting to watch them do this. day in and day out and they they can't. be successful at it. So, what's the. point of continuing it on? You know, Charlie cared a lot about that show. It. was, like I said, one of his lifelong. goals. He loved Rush Limbaugh. He. couldn't wait to one day be able to do. the same three hours of radio every. single day, day in and day out. And he. did it and he was successful because he. was brilliant. And I am sorry to be the. one to tell you guys, but you will not. you can't fill Charlie's shoes and what.

you have done has been an absolute. embarrassment to everything that he has. built. Just shut her up Turning Point. USA. You know, just start over and build. something else. Be lean into the neocon. thing. call it something else. Like it. this is just it's such a farce at this. point. You must be exhausted. You look. tired. You all look tired. Anyway, that's all I have to say about that. If. you guys want to support the show, you. know, you can head to the website. We. have book club today. Just reminding you. guys of that. So, we will be jumping on.

to book club. We'll probably take a. 15-minute break and then we will be over. on our website, kennison.com. And if you are on candace.com, don't. forget that you could pick up some. merch. You can buy the book that we are. reading, make him a sandwich. You can. buy a stop anti-cannism. uh standis cup which it it complements. well with the last stand cup. We don't. know what we know. Yep, that looks. great. You might want to have them both. They are collector's items. Don't forget. while you are there, maybe some of you. guys are thinking about doing some. crime. Got to get your second favorite. shirt. It's got to be second one. We're.

just reminding you not to wear your. first favorite shirt. Um and of course. you're saying that tongue and cheek. You. should not be doing crime, but if you. are, this is the shirt that you should. have. Anyway, you guys, I will see you. in 10 days. It's going to feel so long. Love you so much. Give me a hug. Give me. a hug. It has to be a hug like this, though, cuz my belly, you know, it's. like natural social distancing. My I've. got a fat belly. Okay. Love you forever. Bye.