Erika No-Shows JD Vance. Public Relations Lies About Why. | Candace Ep 325

All right, you guys, Shabbat Shalom. Mommy stayed home for the first time, I. might add, ladies and gentlemen. Congratulations, Erica Kirk. I got to tell you, I am getting too old. for this. I'm being serious. How old am. I getting? My birthday is coming up in a. couple of weeks, and this morning I was. having the team help me pick out a. microscope that I want as a present. because I'm I'm in my dweebing out era. I'm suddenly interested in DNA and. cells, and I'm watching TikToks from. phlebotomists. Like, why do we need to.

go to the doctor for everything? Can't I. figure this out with the microscope? That's how old I'm getting. Too old to. have to take time out of my precious day. to work through the latest Turning Point. public relations blunder. Blunder after. blunder, lie after lie. They treat us. like we are toddlers. They want us to. make believe. Yesterday, Erica no-showed. an event last minute, an event featuring. the Vice President of the United States. How disrespectful. Well, not as disrespectful as the excuse.

that currently handing us as to why. Plus, Victor Marx, Pastor Victor Marx, have some respect. He replied to me, and. to be honest, the response was kind of weird. It's. just weird. I can't explain it. I'll let. you guys be the judge. Welcome back to. Candace.

So, last night, in case you missed it, in case you've been hiding under a rock, Erica Kirk was slated to appear. alongside her friend Vice President J.D. Vance at the University of Georgia, and. she just completely no-showed it. She. stood him up. That is not casual. That. is the sitting Vice President of the. United States. It is low-key. disrespectful outside. of a real emergency. Emphasis on the. word real.

It was mystifying at first, really, especially since the decision very. clearly had to have been made. We were. left to assume that it had been made in. the umpteenth hour. Because the. announcement was made by none other than. than Andrew Kolvet on stage. This means. that ticket holders were not informed. until the very moment of the event. Actually, the Turning Point leaders who. put together the event were not informed. that she was not going to be there. How. do we know? Because they were posting. and promoting her appearance just 50.

minutes before doors opened. Here is a. video of a TPUSA staff promoting her. Take a listen. Hey everybody, my name is. Grant Toler, I'm the field. representative for the Peach territory. and also the University of Georgia. And. I'm Carolyn and I'm the University of. Georgia chapter president. >> And we are here at the Aiken Sport Arena. about to host J.D. Vance and Erica Kirk. Doors open at 1:50, so come out and. support your country. We'll see you. there. They look sweet and happy and clearly. not informed of what was going on. So,

if the story that they are going to sell. to us, that there's a threat, uh then we. we have to assume Erica was on the. ground, right? On the ground in Georgia, something happened and she pulled out, but she wasn't. She was back home, which. means that decision had to have already. been made long before. those students made that video. Yet, Andrew Kolvet is going to, as you. are about to see, last minute on stage. inform and surprise even the event. planners with this message. Take a.

listen. For those of you wondering why uh I. don't have really flowing long blonde. hair right now. Um. So, I'm going to address it right at the. front. Uh Mr. Vice President, I'm on. stage here instead of our friend Erica. Kirk. >> That's right. Um. because unfortunately, she has received. some very serious threats in her. direction. Which is terrible. It's a terrible reflection on the state. of reality and the state of the country, but it underscores a larger point.

that. she has received a lot of attacks. Um from some. surprising places, perhaps. Tell us what you think about that and. some of the people that have made, you. know, part-time jobs out of attacking. Erica and this is the net result. Oh my I. Is the implication here that it's our. fault? Is it my fault? Why do I feel. like they're talking about me? Is that. weird? Uh uh She's not here and.

Come on, Veep. Come on. Explain to. everybody how it's actually Candace. Owens's fault. because she's being attacked, more. broadly speaking. What do I have to do. with her going to an event? And by the. way, this is weird, but I told you guys. I'm aging. I am so old that I distinctly. remember when the messaging was the. exact opposite. They were sort of gaslighting us the. other way. Remember, right after Charlie. was assassinated, a lot of people were. like, "Look, um. she's doing a lot. She's kind of just like doing a lot.

Like, I would be pretty scared. Most of. us, even people who didn't know Charlie, were scared to go out their door. The. world felt less safe, but his wife was. just fearlessly trotting through all of. these events, attending, speaking, massive uh sold-out 21,000 spillover. crowd at State Farm Stadium. And the PR. machine was like, "Oh, you notice that. she's doing a lot. Well, let let us. explain to you why she has no fear. Let me explain to you why she's she's. abnormal. She's just she's just a sits.

above you all. In fact, Erica Kirk. herself jumped in and this was the. reason that we were given via her. interview with Jesse Watters. Take a. listen. Do you feel safe? I do. What are they going to threaten me with? Going to heaven sooner to be with my. husband. And I don't say that to be reckless. I. do not. I do not say that because I'm. out in the streets like. here I am, come find me. And that's not. at all. It's It's. It's a fearlessness that's rooted in the.

understanding that. I will have my day and my time, whenever. that is. When the Lord knows that. it's. I've completed my my mission. And I'm not afraid. Charlie wasn't. afraid either. We never lived in fear. If we did, we wouldn't get anything. done. And I can't help. run alongside this mission of Turning. Point USA and raise my babies with fear. I can't. That's not a life to live for. anybody.

So, that was in her godlier-than-thou. era, right? When we had, like I said, normal concerns like, "Hey, wouldn't you. be kind of scared for your kids? You're. doing a lot, right?" N- No, Erica is on. fire for the Lord, and that's why you. don't understand it. It's supernatural. because the Lord has given her this. courage. So, I'm just asking the common. sense question, what changed 7 months. on? What was the threat that Erica. endured that was so severe 7 months. later that she had to last-minute cancel. an event with the number two man of this. great nation. What threat could be so. severe that she didn't even trust that.

the Secret Service, right? The nation's Secret Service, who's the Vice President. He just got. back doing negotiations. with Iran overseas. Like, it has got to. be a pretty good Secret Service. She did. not feel that even they could alleviate. it. Well, we can always rely on Andrew. Kolvage to further illuminate matters on. Fox News. Take a listen. It was a really unfortunate experience. for me, too, just to have to watch that. very difficult decision get made, which.

I think is the first time that we've. ever had to make that decision in. Turning Point history. But, everything. that happened with Charlie, obviously, his assassination, we're still, you know, grieving that and you saw what. happened with Savannah Hernandez, one of. our TPUSA Frontlines reporters in. Minneapolis. And to see the security team, you know, tell us we cannot guarantee your safety, we recommend that you don't do this, was a really chilling moment for all of.

us to kind of have to internalize and. experience and realize that Erica Kirk. is, you know, her children are one. parent away from being orphans. And. sometimes you just have to say, "Listen, right now, what's most important is your. safety, is your security, and your. children, your family. Let your team. handle this, let us do what we can do.". And so, you know, I obviously was. horrified at the reason why, but I was. honored to stand in and pinch hit for. Erica last night. And I was grateful for.

the vice president to. that we didn't have to ultimately cancel. the entire event. He was willing to do. it with me and it was very gracious of. him. I'm sorry, guys. I'm just getting. whiplash. I really I just I feel like. that's what we were saying. Like, what. could be more important than being home. with your children when she was just all. on the book tour and she botched it and. we were just told, "No, she's a brave. soul. This is what she wants to do." And. she want the worst thing was she she. would be reunited with Charlie. And now.

it's so bad that it's requiring a level. of Hazmat, right? They're even going to. bring in their Hazmat friends over at. the Daily Wire to further substantiate. the matter cuz people are going, "This. feels weird. What could be so much of a. threat that they just let the VP, vice. president of the United States, carry on. with the event? The people are noticing. this doesn't sound right to us.". And so, since Charlie's passing, the. Daily Wire, you will note, always has. the inside scoop on what's going on with. Erica Kirk for some reason. And here is. what they said Twitter. They said,

"Regarding the threats of. Erica, threats to Erica Kirk that. prevented her from attending today's. events with Vice President Vance, a. TPUSA official tells me that their. security had been monitoring the. situation in the days leading up to. today's event. People were doxing her. travel location and trying to track her. arrival and departure, I'm told. And. there were multiple direct threats. against Erica specifically. This. ultimately led to her security's. assessment that they could not guarantee. her safety.

The event venue itself was fine, especially once VP was on site, but it. was the travel portion that was the. chief concern, the official tells the. Daily Wire. Her children are one parent. away from being orphans, and so we take. the security's assessments and advice. seriously. Okay, so a couple things right off the. bat wrong with that. Um Erica now. worried about her kids. Yeah. Okay. Uh. this feels like a level of propaganda. that they have not hit before. Uh you're. also telling us now because you're. realizing they're always responding when.

the public doesn't accept the you know. the first sloppy meal that they tried to. feed feed us. They're like, "Okay, no, no, okay, you're right, doesn't make. sense that the VP would be able to. attend this event and Erica would not. So let's switch gears. We'll say it was. related to travel, that people were. tracking her plane." Um okay, people had. been actually tracking Erica's plane. since the very beginning. People were. doing entire shows about where she was. going and how much she was traveling and. how ridiculous it was and she never. canceled a single thing. So that's just. on its face not true. Secondly, um if. you're going to be a person who is a.

public figure and you are going to. travel privately, as she does, then. yeah, people are going to be able to. easily guess which which airports you're. going to which private terminals you're. going to fly into. They're not going to. know which FBO, but you're telling me. what is the threat? What could possibly. be the threat to her travel? She flies. in and she flies out on a private plane. that they just could not alleviate it. What what did they threat? We're going. to be at the FBO. We'll be at every FBO. We'll be at Signature. We're going to be. at Atlantic. We will be there and we are.

going to boo you. What is the What is. the threat? Tell us more about this. threat, which was specifically taking. place with doxing her travel schedule. What does that even mean? Her event is. listed publicly. People buy tickets, or. I guess not buy tickets, but they. register their tickets to go to these. events for free. So, you're you're. doxing yourself. In order to be a public. figure that goes on a tour, right? If. you're a singer, songwriter, you got to say where you're going. You're doxing yourself, but someone's. tracking your plane.

Well, what is the concern there that. could not be alleviated? You couldn't. have somebody on the ground just waiting. there to make sure nobody was inside the. private terminal, by the way. This This. woman does not fly publicly. Yeah, like I said, it had to have been. something bad. I'm not buying this plane. tracking excuse. It seems to me, especially they're mentioning the kids. now. Every time they do that, that's. that they're basically using every tool. that is not even available in Erica's. emotional shed. So, what actually. happened?

Let me back up here and give you some. facts about the University of Georgia. There are over 43,000 students that are. enrolled at the University of Georgia. Uh this event was, as you heard him say, scheduled to take place at the Akins. Ford Arena uh at the Classic Center, which is near the University of Georgia. The stadium holds just 7,000 people. So, they were hoping, with the announcement that the Vice. President of the United States was going. to be attending, that it was a guarantee. that they would be able to peel off. something like 15% of the student body.

to attend. But actually, they needed even less than. that because to make matters easier for. them, they also opened the tickets, the. free tickets, to the general public. So, forget having to get. 15% of the student body. to sign up, they just needed generally. 7,000 people in the area that wanted to. support MAGA and/or the rockstar widow, Erica Kirk. Reality? Nobody wanted to attend. The.

ticket numbers were abysmal. That is. what happens, and I want you to know. that that is what has been happening. So, in the umpteenth hour, they decided. to cancel her appearance. And here is. the evidence of uh what that event. looked like uh looks like. Here's a. tweet with an accompanying clip, which. was taken from reporter Jake Trailor, who is reporter with MS Now. Uh take a. look at this tweet. And the accompanying video of the. auditorium, he wrote, "Turning Point USA. seems to have mis estimated crowd size.

for Vance. The Aiken Ford Arena less. than 25% filled for the vice president.". Now, he's assuming it's because of. Vance. Right? That people are not showing. Uh. could be another reason. A person who. was supposed to be there until the. umpteenth hour, people could be turning. down that particular opportunity, and. I'm sure everything Vance and Trump are. doing at this current moment isn't. helping much, either. In fact, it was so. bad, right? The The turnout was so bad.

that if we go back and rewatch that Fox. News clip, they're actually showing you. fake footage. Well, it's not fake. footage, it's real footage, but it's. fake B-roll because it's from old. Turning Point events. This is how sloppy. the Hazbra is. We'll show you this. We'll scroll here. Not the venue. Not the venue. And yet, in the corner, it says Andrew Colvett via X on Tuesday. cuz they went and it says says Athens, Georgia. This is not true. This is true. propaganda, and we took a closer look at.

it, and they actually spliced together. three separate events. so that they could show something of. substance when Andrew spoke. That is. humiliating. That is humiliating, and he's there. pitching a story, a sad story, about why. they couldn't do it because uh. it's your guys' fault. You didn't keep. Erica safe. Now, I am told by Turning. Point USA college students and. volunteers that this has been a repeat. problem. That they similarly had a very.

hard time moving tickets for her event. in Washington, D.C. with Caroline. Levitt. They just could not hit. capacity. They never did despite. effectively turning these events. They're not I don't even know why it's. called a college tour anymore. It's just. anybody in the public, general. admission, that is willing to come. listen to Erica Kirk speak for free. Please come. They're going to eventually. start paying people to attend these. events. And they cannot sell out to even. a small auditorium. And yesterday it. looks like was the worst audience.

turnout in Turning Point's history. Okay, let me repeat that. Under Erica. Kirk's stewardship, Turning Point USA is. now facing a crisis. It is the worst. turnout in the organization's history. even with a feature alongside the Vice. President of the United States. Similarly, they had to move the. Believers Summit, something that they. advertised for last year. It was slated. to take place back in October, but they. could not move any free tickets. Erica.

knew that she was not coming long before. Andrew Kolb made the announcement on. stage. Yet, she did not make a statement. herself until after the event began. What gives? Here's what she wrote on X. She retweeted a clip from the event and. she wrote this. I was so looking forward. to tonight's event at the University of. Georgia with our Vice President. But. after all our family has been through, I. take my security team's recommendations. extremely seriously. Thank you to our. amazing Georgia chapter for your. support. God bless you all. I I I I.

can't stand. the lying, the constant lying. And she. is not being honest. Okay, she she moves. things off of her calendar. She will. make it work. I White House here If she. the weekend, she was at. Bettina Bettina at Mar-a-Lago, the one. who's marrying Don Trump Jr. She was at. her bridal shower. Erica will be. wherever it is that she needs to be. That is not the reason that she chose. not to show up. And how do we know that.

this was not some last-minute. cancellation related to a threat? Well, first off, common sense. I knew they. were lying as soon as Andrew announced. it on stage. Take it from someone who. has endured a great many threats. The. last thing you do is announce a threat. on stage when one is happening. In fact, I have dealt with threats at Turning. Point USA events, where we have had to. inform them this guy who was completely. insane and escaped a mental institution. or he was a mental hold. And they didn't. know where he was. They alerted us and I. was doing an event in Nashville with.

Charlie. We had to alert the security. team. Nobody goes out and says, "Hey, Candace has a threat. That's why she's. not here." And you know what? Would you. like to, JD? Let me give you the stage. to blame everybody for her having this. threat. That is so performative and. outlandish that I instantly knew that it. didn't pass the sniff test. But another. way that we can confirm that we know. that this is not real and they're making. this up is because Erica was also slated. to speak yesterday at 1:30 p.m. in. Georgia at a local high school. But she.

canceled that event. And she didn't. cancel it last second. She canceled it. the day before on Monday. Okay? So Tuesday, yesterday, she has a. 1:30 event and then she has an evening. event with JD Vance. But on Monday at. noon, she had already informed the high. school that she was not going to be in. attendance a full day before her. last-minute on-stage cancellation of her. event with JD that the students did not. even know about. So she honored the high. school students with information but did. not honor the college students with any. information, making them look like fools.

outside. Okay? And they How did they do. it? They emailed and they texted and. informed the parents at school that her. appearance had been canceled and they. gave a reason, and that reason was not. security. Let's read it together. Here. is the text that went out canceling the. high school event. It reads, first you can see they set. this event up on March 30th. On Monday, you can see that it reads. parent alert, due to scheduling. complications,

the optional Turning Point USA high. school event scheduled for tomorrow, September 14th, has been canceled. We. are sorry for any inconvenience this may. have caused and are hopeful for other. Turning Point opportunities in the. future. Okay? A scheduling conflict. A scheduling conflict, not a threat, but a scheduling conflict. Now, if there. were a viable threat, wouldn't have been prudent to inform the. administration of a high school? Even if. it was an airplane-related threat that. oh, it must be if it's so serious, like.

someone's going to harm her, you tell. the high school, "Hey, we have a very. viable threat right now. We don't want. to bring this to you." They were not. informed that. They were just told it. was a scheduling issue, and there was. not some significant thing that was. pending in the background, um, which caused her to abandon her. previous God's Got Me philosophy. So, like I said, don't don't you think her. staff would have let the high schoolers. know if there was a a threat? That would. have been the responsible thing to do. I. am told the truth is again. that there was immediate parental.

backlash already that kept happening. because she was announced, and they. basically said, "Okay, this is an. optional event." They then ended up that. there was going to be abysmal. attendance, meaning nothing that they. could record on social media to make it. look like she's, you know, got the crowd. going crazy, and so it was nothing for. her to look forward to, and so she. skipped it. This keeps happening. Parents and students are organizing. against her for a variety of reasons. Some of them, those reasons that we have. laid out on the show, they do not trust.

her, they do not believe her, and I can. give you provide more proof for you, uh, by way of a parental chat on Facebook. that is currently going on right now. regarding another event that she has. coming up at a high school in Phoenix, uh, right in her backyard, no less. And. this is a Pinnacle High School. The. parents are organizing. Look, take a. look at this chat. Uh, this is a parent. that posted saying, "I am very concerned. learning that Erika Kirk is going to be. speaking." And then you can see an. anonymous member wrote below, "As as a. teacher, I find this highly.

inappropriate inappropriate and a safety. risk to our students and staff." "Also, as a teacher, I know the district may. care more about attendance more than. anything else. So, call your kids out of. school and that will send a message. They are. Basically, 36 likes. They are organizing. essentially a walkout, a boycott of. Erika Kirk. Okay? I haven't reported on this stuff in the. past. I've been very aware that this is. going on. The reason why I am now laying. this out today is because what enrages. me so much about the messaging the set.

up there by Andrew Colvin. is that it is akin to narcissistic. abuse. They can never admit that they. have failed or that they have done. anything wrong. So, what do they do? They tell the public that it's our. fault. It's your fault. If If this. wouldn't happen. This wouldn't happen if you guys would. just stop criticizing her. That's. completely psychopathic. We don't accept. that. We reject that. Okay, no one does. this. People cancel events last minute. for a variety of reasons. He got drunk. last night. He's hung over. Their PR. comes out, makes an excuse. He had a.

mental breakdown backstage. We've seen a. lot, especially in the land of rock and. roll. Oh, I lost my throat. I lost my voice. I. won't be able to sing tonight. Probably. was partying. I want you to actually go through your. mind of all the famous people that you. know who have canceled events last. minute. When do you ever recall. management coming out with messaging. that implies that actually it's your. fault. It's the public's fault. You. didn't keep this person safe. They couldn't come out tonight because. you failed this person.

Well, that's exactly what the messaging. was and you should be infuriated about. it. It is ridiculous. They are now. paying influencers. Oh, if only everyone. would just leave her alone. No one would. track her plane. What? Do you not think people are tracking. J.D. Vance's plane? Elon Musk took his. notoriously off of something. Taylor. Swift. People get their planes tracked. all the time. By the way, there's no. remedy for that situation. What's the. future remedy? We're just not going to. announce when it We're just going to pop. up and surprise people?

The messaging was crappy. I'm so sick of. there never being an adult in the room. that will just come out and say, as a. leader would, "You know what? Ticket. attendance wasn't great. Um, we want to remedy that in the. future. We want to figure out what we. can do, changes we can make so that we. can establish Erica as the new leader of. Turning Point USA. You know, they're. still getting to know her." That's. responsible messaging. But, these guys, it's your fault. And shame on J.D. Vance. uh for taking the bait on that in. response to Andrew Kolb questioning.

He's going to lecture us. He's going to. come in and he's going to lecture us. Take a listen to what J.D. Vance has to. say. Again, if your instinct is to go after. not the left-wing radicals who are. assaulting Savannah or not the people. who shot Charlie Kirk, but if your. instinct is to go after a a young mother. because she's grieving in a way that you. find in a you you find wrong, well, why. don't you stay in your lane and mind. your own business? >> Yeah, amen. Grief is complicated and I. just.

Grief is complicated. >> And I you know, so you know, there's there's another angle to this, Andrew, which is just so absurd, which. is that, you know, people will say that, you know, Erica, you know, she she's. she's been doing this or she's been. doing that and I would be doing. something different and it's like first. of all, that's fine. Like if if you want. to criticize somebody because you have a. disagreement, disagree with my politics, disagree with something that Erica or. Andrew say on the Turning Point podcast. >> We do. >> But, But this.

desire to go after her for the way she's. she's grieving her husband, that's the. most preposterous thing I've seen in a. very long time and I've seen a lot of. crazy stuff in politics. Okay, first off, we do criticize them. all the time for what they say on the. podcast. The whole public has been doing. that actually since everything happened. Please stop saying this repeat phrase. that everyone grieves differently. It. doesn't matter how many times you say. it, doesn't make it true. Okay, you. can't just say stuff. Everybody grieves differently. Yeah, no, for sure. Everyone that I know does that.

No one, that's why it stands out to. people and people go this is strange. Most people would fear. going out. They would want to be closer. to their kids. Stop trying to constantly. feed us this slop. But the the audacity. to say something like he just said, he. said that it was. the most preposterous thing that he has. seen in politics in a very long time. People criticizing Erica Kirk. That's the most preposterous thing he's. seen in politics in a very long time. Disagreeing with the new CEO and.

chairman. This is not just a widow, this. is a new CEO and chairman of TPUSA, a. position that she did not earn. Nothing. that she has done warrants her being in. that position. Uh and that to him is like, "Whoa, I. can't believe people are doing this.". I've seen some preposterous things just. over the last few weeks in politics that. should probably rank higher on your. list, okay? Like when you guys blew up that school, 150 Iranian schoolgirls were killed and. then you lied about it. That to me feels. a little more preposterous. I mean, it. was not just even 2 days ago that Trump.

said that he thought Jesus was a Red. Cross doctor. That was a little. preposterous. Y'all are just out here. lying about things. I don't know, Epstein files? Did you have time to go. through that, Mr. Vice President? Nothing in there ranked more. preposterous for you than us criticizing. Erica Kirk? How about Trump just. generally attacking a pope because he's. calling for peace? How about Trump saying that Brigitte. Macron is hot? That was pretty. preposterous. That she's got it. It's not even close.

The literal ticket you guys ran on was. calling for peace. Now you're attacking. the Pope or Trump is attacking the Pope. because he's calling for peace. That. feels pretty preposterous. Going to war. with the explicit aim of opening the. Strait of Hormuz, which was already. opened before you began the war, is. pretty preposterous. Gas prices right. now are pretty preposterous. Us criticizing a grieving widow who. can't keep her story straight about. anything? No. That's not That's not even. That shouldn't even hit your radar. So.

please do not lecture us, JD. Do not, okay? The lecture that is coming from. you. is exactly why we don't like Erica, because we see it for exactly what it. is. It's elite. She has money and. connections. She can call Vice President. JD Vance. She can get the Secretary. Scott Bessent to issue a letter on. demand, demanding you stop looking into. their finances. She can get Trump to say. how much Charlie loved her in his Easter. speech. It's the balcony approach that.

makes us sick. We feel it, you guys, looking down in the crowd like we're. animals and you're somehow more. dignified. Okay, Mr. Vice President, respectfully, our friends aren't in the Epstein files. And I have enough common sense to know. that the reason we referred to it as. common sense is because it's shared. amongst the commoners, us, the majority. And right now, the left and the right, the internet, we have correctly. identified the nature of your friend. Erica Kirk. So please, I beg of you. We.

are 7 months into this thing. Please do. not give us more bed slop. We have had. our fill. And if it is truly your desire. to transform hearts and minds about. Erica, might I very humbly suggest that. you start with a story that makes sense. about a September 10th, what happened? One that doesn't feature magical bullets. and Superman necks and that. write out entire confessions in the. spirit of a Jane Austen novel, my love.

One which doesn't feature uh company. employees who witnessed the shooting and. for some incomprehensible reason. neglects to call 911, but instead rushed. to remove cameras within minutes. That would be my advice. Rather than. lecturing us from a balcony, string. together a coherent story and a timeline. for the commoners. Please and thank you. Anyway, moving on from that onto some. other things that are happening behind. the scenes. Essentially, Turning Point. is now just in the business of creating. an illusion. And by an illusion, I mean.

that even when they are posting events. of her being greeted at events with. like, you know, thunderous applause. behind the scenes, you should know that. middle schoolers and high schoolers are. being forced in some scenarios to sit in. these events. It's mandatory. Okay? They. have no option. So, remember when you. went to school and there was assembly? When you had to go to assembly in the. middle of the day? That is the state of. affairs at Turning Point USA. They are. the administration. It's an assembly. Surprise, Erica Kirk is here. And. they're like, "Look, the room the.

auditorium is filled.". Like I I guess to be to keep it real, if. I was in high school, I was really bad. at chemistry, if he offered like, you. know, five extra points and was like, "Candace, like you can bring up this. this really bad grade that you got if. you go sit with Erica Kirk in the. assembly right now. or after school. No, I still wouldn't do it. But I'd. think about it. I'd think about it. I don't wish them bad. I just wish them. truth. I want them all to stop lying.

about everything and anything and. thinking that a J.D. Vance or a Sprinkle. of Trump is going to change things. Please stop abusing the public with. lies. And, already, since more things are leaking, Andrew is commuting the story. Right, yesterday it was, "This is. happening because of the people back at. home." Now, he knows stuff is coming out. about the high school event that was. canceled on Monday, but he's trying to. fit it into this puzzle.

Um trying to make it work somehow that. he announced it on stage suddenly that. Erica wouldn't be attending. Um and here. he is on Charlie Kirk's show this. morning with their latest excuse that's. dropping. Take a listen. Obviously, the big part of the news was. that Erica was uh she canceled her. appearance at that because of security. threats uh that were made against her. It was something we were. you know, monitoring for days before the. event. We actually had a high school.

event that was planned to be before the. college event in the area that we had to. cancel a few days before because of the. increased online chatter that we were. monitoring. Our security team, I should. say, was monitoring. And so, we thought, you know, we got the. Secret Service, everything should be. fine at the main event, but what ended. up happening. uh and I have to be somewhat careful. here because the security uh our. security team does, you know, obviously. wants to be a little bit uh circumspect. in the way that we talk about this cuz. we don't get want to give the bad guys. any more ideas.

But, it was a situation where they were. trying to dox her travel and monitor. travel, suggesting different ways to. that people could attack her, and it was. like something we were actively trying. to navigate and change itineraries, move. locations. Nobody wants to live that way. Um it was. a terrible experience in many many ways, and I feel terrible for Erica. And. ultimately, you know, when you're in. that moment and the security team looks. at you and says, "We can't guarantee. your safety.".

At some point, you just have to say, "There's we'll do this a different way.". Tough job, Andrew. It It's truly a tough. job. that Andrew Kolb has. I just just got to. keep up with the crowd and pivot the. stories, try to make it make sense. The. plane There was a threat, you know, he. tried to move the FBO in the. charter a different plane. We don't know the tail number. You don't. know the tail number. Or were they sharing? I mean, it's like. what are we talking You guys have. multiple planes during the USA? Oh, it.

just was a threat. We just can't tell. you too much. We can't tell you even. though we announced it on stage. We know. that people are asking for more. We just. we just want to honor the security and. these threats are very serious and. that's why when Charlie multiple times. texted me and the security team the day. before saying he thought he was going to. be killed, we don't like to talk about. that. We don't talk about that threat. That. threat we we don't want to talk about. this one. We want you to know it's your. fault. So, don't criticize Erica. Um yeah. Emotionally manipulative, narcissistic. We do not I reject this.

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video description or scan the QR code to. claim this delicious offer. Again, that's masachips.com/candace. with code Candace at checkout. All right, you guys. Pastor Victor. Marks, what can I say? He was a. difficult subject to cover. We A lot of. editorial decisions had to be made cuz. there was just so much. There was just. so much to choose from. And I want to be. clear, the information that we got about. his biography, that came from Victor. Marks. We could have put together tons. of clips. He tells his story many times,

many ways, and we just were like, "Okay, let's try to reduce this to the facts. about his life, who his father was, who. his stepdaddy was, the things that he. has said." And um we we didn't even. include. the stuff going on with his family, his. daughter, um very public back forth that. went on where she was accusing him of. abuse and um. There's a lot of that. And then she. retracted her statement after they began. speaking again and okay, we're like,

"Okay, we don't need to include that.". We didn't include the young woman who. alleges that Victor Marks kidnapped her. from Canada. She's The people had her on. the shows and she discussed how she was. kidnapped, but there was a lot going on. with Pastor Victor Marks. I think it is. fair to suggest that he has a checkered. background. And we have never received. more emails and more tips about anyone. actually um in our tips inbox it was a. recurring theme. You need to look into. Victor Marx, Victor Marx, Victor Marx, Victor Marx allegedly was the first.

person who announced that Charlie Kirk. had died and then he deleted that post. I remember that. from all of the things that were. happening. It was like why did Victor. Marx announce it first and then he. deleted that post. So yeah, we I think. we did a good job to kind of sizing it. down to the relevant portions of what. these pastors seem to get up to. I don't. even know where he pastors. Where is he. a pastor at? I think that was one of the. the points that was raised by Corby. Hall. It's like I realized he doesn't. have a church. I don't know why he says.

he's a pastor. Um and I don't know why Erica can't make. normal friends. None of my friends have. these sorts of backgrounds and um. they're not the people that I would want. to see in the event of an emergency. But like JD said, she be grieving. differently y'all. She be grieving. differently. Anyway, so Victor Marx clearly saw my. episode very quickly and he took to both. his Instagram and X to issue a very. quick response. It's a little weird. It's weird. Let me know if you think it's weird. This is this is this is what he said.

Ooh. Well all righty then. Love you Candace. Let me know when you want me to come on. the show. Praying for you. Okay, but like why do the glasses have. to come off? Why do we have to go all. like Clark again about it? Well all righty then. Give it to me. again. Well all. righty then. Give it to me one more. time. I got I got I got to watch that. again.

Well all righty then. Okay, can you like can we get a DJ booth. go booth going where we just like get. the sounds that we like? That's a bite. That's a bite. You guys need to have. that little whenever I'm feeling. well all righty then. Anyway, I don't. know what the point of that was and he. then published "Oh, I've been accused or. in this episode, this is what he. suggested." Buddy, you can't be accused. of what you're telling us your bio is. Now, I read Corby Hall's statement.

in its entirety, flushed out what he had. to say, felt like he was a very honest. person. And again, he was ready to come. on the show and discuss everything, bring all of his evidence. So, I I my. instincts are usually right about people. and my instincts about you were that I. don't know. You had supplements that you were doing. with David Harris. David Harris calls. God Papa. I don't know and he like you. guys said that like proceed like the. supplements were going to help human sex. trafficking victims. It's too much. It's just too much. Okay?

My my senses, my spidey senses say no. good. Anyways, I obviously responded. instantly. I I wrote this beneath the. post. We are actually going to have. Corby Hall of Fold AR on and he is game. to do the show with you. I am happy to. have you both on if you agree. And Corby. Hall said, "Yeah, I'm good. Let's do. this." He actually suggested it, Corby. Hall. He said it cuz he saw the post. first and said, "I would 100% do this. face-to-face." Like he he's very serious. about what this man did to him. And like. I said, he has all the evidence. So, it.

wouldn't make sense for me. I I couldn't. rebut anything that Victor Marx said. about Fold AR. We were already going to have Corby. Let's make this happen. And so, too. because I wanted to make sure that we. could establish. a date. I instantly then reached out privately. I will show you guys that. Um I wrote, "Hi Victor, give me the best number. We. would love to set it up. Corby Hall is. completely game to join. Best to have. him there since I read his letter and he. has the proof etc. of what you wanted. from him plus the prayer that you prayed. over him. We have up until we.

hit go on today's episode, not heard. back from him. I don't even see that. it's read. He may not He may not have. read receipts on, but I obviously. responded exactly where he posted the. video. We will keep you posted and I am. totally game and very interested. Finally, we got one of these pastors on. the hook. I want to reel him in. I want. to reel him in and talk about his. relationship with Turning Point USA, how. we got found as a pastor. Calvary, what goes on near that military. base. I I It feels to me like a whole. military operation. I'm going to be.

honest. We done episodes, we have done. our due diligence on Calvary Chapel as a. whole. I find it to be problematic, but. that's my opinion. I'm allowed to have it. Anyway, I wanted to let you know that we. then were hit with another wave. people emailing us from Turning Point. USA inside and outside. I love this, just so you know. We have. people that are saying that they will. get jobs at Turning Point USA just to. give us information from the inside. We. have people volunteer They're like, I am. going on an interview. I replied, they. want me in. I will be I will be a mole.

Like that is how the world feels. They're willing to go to work. to get information. It makes me happy. and it makes me smile because that is. the influence that Charlie Kirk had. Like that's incredible that people are. willing to do that for him. But anyway, people are still on the inside and and. people who were fired also informed me. that yeah, no, there's other people that. have trafficking history that are. involved with Turning Point USA and in. particular there is someone who openly. discusses the fact that he used to.

traffic arms. I'll say allegedly, but. this is apparently something he's very. open about around the office. He's very. close with Andrew Kolb. That's what I am. told by again both current and former. Turning Point US to us Turning Point USA. employees. His name is Marcus Wada. Okay, here is his bio from Turning. Point's website, which is interesting to. me already. He's the senior productions. director. Marcus Wada is the director of. strategy of productions at Turning Point. USA. Marcus has spent a decade in film. and television production working on.

films that were internationally. distributed and television shows such as. Miss Universe. Okay. That's a connection there. Marcus works. to raise financing for films and. producing films. He left Hollywood to. work in the conservative movement. producing and directing Turning Point. USA's documentary series Border Battle. and The Great Global Reset. Well, apparently he also, which I wouldn't put. it in my bio too to be fair, regularly. tells people his testimony about how he. was involved in trafficking arms in.

Poland. Poland, where you at? I saw you. in the chat. Someone said watching from. Poland and I said, "Ooh, you guys are. getting name dropped today.". So yeah, he used to be involved with. trafficking in Poland. But then, as the. story always goes, he found God. I am. just so pleased to hear it. I'm so. pleased to hear it that so many people. involved with Turning Point. are able to find God. Uh Turning Point USA is out here, I. guess, just finding employees and. partners in a manner that is it is.

unique. It It is unique, I would say. It's It's. like a mesothelioma commercial. Were you or someone you know involved in. trafficking? Give us a call today. There. may be a place for you in our faith. department vibes, right? So then I found out via these employees. that Marcus Wada also says that his. brother is still involved in the game. somehow in the industry in some way. Is. it charitably? Is there a difference? I can't be sure. at this point. Anyway, I did end up. finding the guy and prodding that.

narrative. There seems to be something. there. I'm assuming it must be a half. brother because he has a different last. name and this guy's got is Jewish. Um. and he runs a consulting company that. consults in human trafficking. What can. I say? It's a big industry, you guys. And I want to be clear, these people are. not. involved in the trafficking. They are. charitable and want to alleviate this. global circumstance and these people. also, you know, have histories, but they it I. don't know, guys. You can I didn't know.

you I didn't even know you could consult. in those things. I thought the website. was made up. I was like, "What What does. this mean? You're a a consulting in. drugs and Look at this. Industry areas.". National border security, money. laundering, human trafficking, sex. trafficking, firearms and ammunition. This is brother. Controlled substances. Okay. What does it mean to consult in it? How. do you consult in it? I don't know, guys. I don't know. I'm like. I'm an old dog that can't learn a new. trick.

That's my problem. But I am good at spreadsheets. Not so. great at Excel, but I know how to put. together a timeline in spreadsheets and. to organize. You guys should see my. pantry. It is ridiculously organized, okay? And I did put together You guys saw this. earlier the connecting themes. spreadsheet because we kept seeing these. recurring themes and I did not use Excel. as it should be used, but I did put together these columns and. it's it's the trafficking and sex abuse. I should write charity to make that. clear. Uh it's getting pretty long, you. know. Derek and Charlene Maxfield, that.

was that plane that left and went to. Page, Arizona that day. They run a child. abuse charity. um a trafficking charity uh Sapria. Colonel Auto Bucher, obviously the. Romanian instance with Erica, all. surrounding what happened at the. military base and he worked with. Romanian Angels, which was her charity. Uh. the civilian commander stationed at Fort. Huachuca uh charged with running a child. sex abuse ring. Turning Point USA faith,

Greg Laurie. uh whose church Erica went right on tour. with him. Harvest Church is currently. being accused of trafficking. children from Romania, okay? They are. fine with that partnership. George Zinn, our decoy boy, was arrested for having. pornographic images of children on his. phone. Andrew Piskadlo, uh that was the. person who was detained that day. uh works to ring the alarm on military. Ukrainian sex trafficking in the United. States. Calvary Chapel Church is. obviously riddled with pastor abuse. stories. That's an aside, a Rob McCoy.

aside. Going back Tim Ballard, that's. Operation Underground. Tim Ballard, um. his name come up in the mix early on. as someone who was being met with that. day. Um Erica Kirk lived in China or in. the days that followed rather, if I. remember correctly. Erica Kirk says that. she lived in China and worked with child. sex trafficking victims, but she's mum. on that now, tight-lipped, does not want. to talk about what charity that was. No. one seems to be able to find it on the. internet. We know she was living in Was. it Chongqing? Am I saying that right? To.

Chongqing? I think it's spelled. Chongqing, maybe it's said. Chongqing. Uh. that's interesting. The TPUSA advisor, Paul Vallely, retired army general who. ran psychological operations and. co-wrote the book with Michael Aquino, the Satanist and founder of the Temple. of Set. I didn't know Satanism had a. great schism, but they did. Some people thought that Satan was an. idea, some people thought that he was a. real person, and so the Temple of Set. was born out of Satanism. Just so you.

guys know, if you're not up on your. Satanist theology. Anyways, not a bar. for entry as an advisor to Turning Point. USA. He was accused, I'm referring to. Michael Aquino, was accused of abusing. children. at Army Child Development Centers. Victor Marx, as we learned, runs a. charity for child sex abuse. I I We got. to add his his pills, too. What are the. What are the pills, man, that he's doing. with David J. Harris that a portion goes. to help sex trafficking victims? Nelde Buckman, the number one donor to Turning Point.

USA, is extensively involved in rescuing. children that are being sexually abused. and trafficked. Uh the backstory that. she gives with that her first husband, this is this is her story, her first. husband cheated on her with like a lot. of women that were in the industry, and. she was angry about that, but then she. realized that she wanted to understand. these women and that brought her to the. uh trafficking industry and now she's. doing she has a lot a lot of angels this.

angels you know Texas angels and Austin. angels I can't remember all of them but. that's another. connection there and now we have Marcus. Warda involved I should probably change. that to more responsibly say formerly. involved in trafficking arms in Poland. according to Turning Point USA current. employees and past employees so we can. just update that spreadsheet you guys uh. just so I can say that clearly formerly. involved Marcus Warda we just kind of. type that as a note yeah we'll live edit. that just so that doesn't get. misunderstood from the public formerly.

comma he's not formerly Marcus Warda. guys no he is Marcus Warda was he. formerly Marcus Warda I don't know. actually I don't if people change their. names nothing would surprise me maybe he. is formerly Marcus Warda. I think we're having a little bit too. much fun today guys I'm just like the. stories are just getting so they're just. so ridiculous so what can I say what can. I say ladies and gentlemen. um we will be right back after a quick. break. all right you guys you owe back taxes or.

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wallet, honey? Oh my god, I'm so sorry. I'm going to pray for you. I pray pray the Lord finds it, you know? Elizabeth Broman or Brown wrote, "She. didn't know how to play the part of a. human being." She's quoting me. Exactly. what woke up everyone. Yes, hope you're. paying attention, Daily Vance. There is such a thing as having a. spiritual intuition about things. It's. what keeps you safe. Being aware of. something about just this feels off, and. that is something was not tracking. And. then when she wasn't behaving the way. that she should behave, you guys. basically told us that we were crazy for.

noticing that, that she had no fear. And. now you're flipping the gear. You're. just completely doing a 180 now and. saying she has fear. Come on, guys. Just stick to a script. Stick to some form of a script. Okay, comments on today's episode. Smith writes, "Did JD just slip up by. saying that the people that killed. Charlie?" I I didn't even catch that he. said that. And I do believe that there. were people involved, multiple people. involved in killing Charlie Kirk, and I. do not believe that it was Tyler.

Robinson alone on a rooftop. And so, we're going to continue to read the. court documents and stay on top of them. and force them to be honest about things. for a change. Uh CC writes, "It's. extremely nuts to be screaming make. heaven crowded while canceling. appearances because of a threat. The. irony of Charlie still making his event. after telling people that they were. trying to kill him. Go home and be a mom. like Charlie wanted. You just can't have. it both ways. You can't You don't get to. be a public figure and to say I don't. want to have any attention, but I do.

want to be the CEO and the chairman of. Turning Point USA. It's always like they. they they are the people that present. the problem and then when everyone's. like, "Okay, well, you're you're the. person. You're the one that brought the. public into this." They go, "Oh, no, no, no, no, never mind. I just want. privacy." It's giving Meghan Markle. Do. you know what I mean? Like I I want I. want to be the princess, but I also want. privacy when I want it, but I also want. Netflix cameras when I want it. Life is. just doesn't work like that, okay? You. can't take us into the casket and then. pretend to be aghast when people ask you. where you buried him. Did you bury him?

Do you think that they cremated Charlie? I ask myself that question. Right? I ask myself. occasionally whether or not they. cremated Charlie. Cuz that is starting. to make sense to me that they would do. that. I don't know. Cuz now she can't she can't share the. details cuz she says people are are are. going to come and try to destroy I mean, I can't think of a single figure that's. deeply hated in American history that. has suffered having. um people go after the grave site and I. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I.

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chairman, she's welcome to step down. Okay? She's more than welcome to the. day-to-day criticisms of how Turning. Point USA is being run into the ground. Uh but otherwise, you know, put on your big girl pants, so. to speak. Sarah Miller writes, "Loved ones of. missing and murdered people regularly. get dissected in their interviews with. the press for how they are grieving. publicly. I guess you are only allowed. to grieve differently when you're a part. of the Epstein class. It's bogus." Yeah, that's I mean, that's completely right. People. absolutely tear apart people every. second of every day. Especially given.

the size of this case, and as I said. earlier, their inability to just string. together a a comprehensive story. regarding what took place on September. 10th. It just it They're relying on us. to accept make-believe. This is a This is a This is a fairy tale. story. And then they're like, "Well, why. don't you believe that Rudolph had. uh a red nose, Candace? Why don't you. believe that he was carrying Santa's big. butt all across the North Pole?" Like, I. just don't believe that, actually. And. oh, they How do Do not How could you not.

attack that? And it's godly, and it's. this, and the Lord, and then it's. suddenly not the Lord, and they have. real concerns, and. it's just all over the place. It's very. sloppy. Caroline writes, "Candace, please let me help you with your Excel. I can do wonders." No, I am just using. it to organize the columns. I am. ignoring the rows. We are just doing the. columns on connecting themes because I. was like, I could make this in Word, but. why would I when Excel has already made. this for me? Thank you. Yeah, we're keeping that forever. In. fact, I am inspiring an entire. generation to misuse Excel spreadsheets.

I'm very proud of myself. Jolie writes, "TPUSA is no longer considered to be. Turning Point. It should now be known as. Trafficking Point. I It It's topsy-turvy. point. It's tumbling point. It's. certainly not the organization that I. knew, that I supported, and that I loved, and. it is It's feels like it's been. infiltrated by Zionists. I think from. the very beginning we felt that. I think. that's honest. That's a That's a a fair. take. And um even in their like I said, there's this like bizarre partnership. that they just keep having with the. Daily Wire. Like we know what the Daily. Wire is. So, when we see that, we go,

"Hmm, that's weird. Why That's not. That's strange." And we have a right to. comment on that and to recognize that. Lastly, Granny Manny writes, "They were. screaming for your arrest and worse on X. last night. I could not believe how. hostile it was. Love you so much, Candace." These people are insane. Like. if if Erica literally like fell and. scraped her knee. If she did what I did. and she broke her foot, they'd be like, "This is Candace's fault." That's what. they want. They're trying to create that. environment and so we need to be. conscious of that, okay? Everything we.

have done on this show has been fair. Charlie Kirk was murdered. We are being. lied to about the details surrounding. that murder. And I granted her grace. beyond what the internet was willing to. give her. She lied to my face. She has. lied multiple times and the lies are. inexplicable. They won't clarify any of. these lies. They are pretending like. she's too busy, like she's some grieving. powerful widow behind the scenes. She's. not. Actually, she plays very nasty, just so you guys know. Here's a fact. Erica personally made phone calls trying. to get people not to go to the Catholic. event that I spoke at the other week.

Okay? She plays dirty behind the scenes. The people who were fired told me who. was behind this PR push. Erica was. behind this stuff the entire time. So, you can completely miss me. I don't play. that way. With me, you get what you get. I'm going to say it on my show. I'm not. going to wheel and deal. I'm not going. to call a PR person and be like, "Could. we get this article? Could we try to see. if we can get Candace canceled from this. event? Could we try to see" It was sold. out. The event was sold out. Um it's cuz. I don't play that way. I don't have that. karma building up in the background. I. don't have to worry about I don't treat.

people that way. I'm always up front and. I was up front with her when I sat down. with her and she lied. Okay? So, she got. onto my list of people that I find to be. suspicious because of her own actions. and her behavior and her lack of. interest in the very many holes in this. case, her anger at Joe Kent for trying. to investigate foreign involvement. Who. do you think is orchestrating all that? Does it sound to you like Andrew McCabe. has a brain or like there could be. someone more conniving behind him? I offer you the latter, okay? It is.

definitively the latter. I will leave it. at that. Um. I guess that's it for today's comments. We will see you guys tomorrow.