Erika And I Sat Down. Here’s What Happened. | Candace Ep 280

Okay, everybody, Shabbat shalom. I just. want to say Shabbat shalom to everybody. back at home. Happy Hanukkah to our. greatest friends and allies. And you. know, this is a good time to mention. that Israel does have a right to defend. itself. Tucker Carlson is Adolf Hitler, and TikTok does need to be purchased by. the Mossad. It's just how I'm feeling. today. I am not different. Maybe you are. different. Welcome back to Candace. >> [music].

>> Okay, you guys are crazy. You guys are. absolutely crazy. The amount of people. who attacked me for sending out a tweet. being like, "Hey, I have good news. I. have a lie. We had a very productive. conversation." And they were like, "She. got the call. She got the call. She's. betrayed us. She's doing something else. I can't believe it. This is all just. been a show." Calm down, okay? What do.

you think happened? Erica said, "Stop." And then I was. frozen. for 4 and 1/2 4 hours and and 30 minutes. just like. as they just put all of these talking. points into my head. That is not what. happened. I keep telling you guys, I am. not governable. I am basically akin to. Kanye West. I never felt more seen than. when he tweeted a lot of years ago, "Just fired my manager because I.

realized I can't be managed." That is. me. That tweet right there, I was like, "Oh gosh. Yes, Kanye, that I get this, okay?". >> [laughter]. >> Nobody is changing their mind anything. Well, how ridiculous would it have been. if I'm doing all of this, investigating, asking all of these questions, and then. Erica Kolfage offers to answer some of. these questions, and I'm like, "No. I'm not going to go. I can't betray the. people. I don't want any answers to the. questions. I just want to ask them." No, this is the entire reason we are doing. this. We've been looking at the.

situation going, "Why can't Turning. Point USA just answer basic questions?". And I can tell you guys that yesterday. for 4 hours and 30 minutes, there were. no rules. They said you can say you can. ask us any question that you want, anything that's on your mind, which I. appreciated. And some of you guys are thinking, "Who. is they? Who is they?" It's the Jews, obviously. Just kidding. It's Justin. Streif. Justin Streif was in the room. Um it's just Justin Streif and Erica. George joined me just for the beginning.

portion of the conversation cuz he had. that thing going on that I told you on. the 15th all day he was in a conference. And then I brought my cousin Mia, you. know, the one that has a really bad. attitude. I just bring her there for. vibes. I think it just confuses people. They're like, "I don't I don't. understand. What's this person doing. here?" And the reality is she's like. always just listening to Cardi B music. Uh but she's my cousin, and I always. have her around. And so that was it. She. was kind of sitting. um a little bit away, but at the table. it was just It was really just the four. of us until George left. And I will be. honest, I did not know what to expect.

going into the room. I did not know if. they were going to be open. I didn't. know what Erica's energy was going to be. like, if it was going to be more of an. argument, if there was going to be legal threats. You guys were telling me not to drink. water, so I didn't drink water. Well, I. brought my own water, but I didn't drink. that water, too. It was a lot. There's a. lot going on, okay? And the conversation started with Justin. Streif. very sensibly.

saying, "What are we looking to. accomplish here? Like, what is the. actual aim of this conversation?" And he. was pretty clear, and Erica's very. clear, that they were sort of most upset. with what I obviously a bit of a fever. pitch, what I tweeted that it was a. godforsaken company, and people should. not give money to it. And I have to own. that. That's aggressive. That is. actually aggressive in the retrospect. I. was very frustrated, and I don't know. I.

just I I felt like we weren't getting. any answers, and there were so many. lies, and then I was getting attacked. for asking all meaningful questions that. was within their capacity to answer. And I told you I I definitely my problem. in life is that I can rise to anger very. quickly. Uh I shared with them that I really felt. like I was under attack. for telling the truth from the very. beginning. Like casually when I. mentioned the Catholicism thing, like. what was that about? I was like, "Look, I say something in a tribute to him.". Alex Clark and Andrew Kolvet then jump.

onto a podcast, and they're doing that. weird interview, which is clearly aimed. at me. And they've teased the interview. It was like aimed at me, but they never. say my name. And that to me felt like it. was the first uh I don't know. I got the. first bit of mud that was slung, which. it their answer for that was, "Hey, that. was a really crazy time. There a new. system had to be put into place, and by. no means did Erica give any person the.

authority to go out and say that the. Catholicism thing was a lie. It kind of. turned into this big thing." Uh. whatever. Okay, that kind of obviously. was not the meat of the reason that uh. we wanted to sit down. I will say I was immediately refreshed. by the fact that one of the first things. that Erica did was she owned the lies. The lies, or rather I guess they would. cage it as miscommunications that were. coming from various people at the. company. Like, "Look, this is a company. with 650 people that are employed.

Everybody at this time is exceedingly. emotional, and they are communicating. and no matter what somebody says on. Twitter, they assume that this. communication has come down from. management, and that's not always the. circumstance." But they owned right. away, which felt great, that if you guys. recall, we Erica sat down with Glenn. Beck. I actually missed this portion uh. cuz I didn't get to watch the interview. in its entirety, and we were pulling. clips cuz a lot was coming out very. quickly. But there was a portion that. was going around that was viral, and it. was Erica saying that she had Charlie's.

phone, and that Charlie never texted. anybody the night before saying that he. thought that they were going to kill. him. And that obviously reflected poorly. on me. because I was the one who said that he. did in fact uh text multiple people the. night before. And then I went on Jimmy Dore on Friday, Jimmy Dore show, and I clarified. I said. Andrew Kolvet told me. specifically that he was one of the. people that received this text message. So I got that first person. I didn't get.

that from a source. I got that directly. from Andrew Kolvet. And then somebody. who had access to Dan Flood's. communications said that Dan Flood. similarly received a text message. They. owned that right away and explained, Erica said, that she has Charlie's. phone. She's looking at his iMessages, and it turns out that he, like everybody. else, communicates on Signal. He. communicates on Telegram. And that those. communi- when she heard me say that, they then went and looked, and yes, that.

what I said was true. Uh Andrew Kolvet. received a message the night before, and. Dan Flood received a message the night. before. Now, they asked me if I had. actually like a concrete co- a copy of. what Dan Flood got the night before, and. I said, "No. Somebody told me what it. said," which was almost exactly what. Andrew said, which is they're going to. kill me. Andrew did not know who they. were who they. that the they that he was referring to. uh were, but they. clarified that the message that Dan.

Flood received said the left is going to. kill me. So I can't confirm that one way. or the other. I have to trust them on. that because I did not see that concrete. message. I was told that it said they. Now, obviously, we discussed the moment, and I'm laughing here because you. TikTokers are actually out of control. You guys are going to be the reason that. Israel gets TikTok. because you guys are acting a fool all. the time. And the videos were so. hilarious of you guys mocking the Bari. Weiss interview. It's great. It's good. to laugh at ourselves. And Bari Weiss is.

always worth laughing at. But I was sort. of like, "Hey, I felt name-checked by. the podcaster Candace Owens. This. obvious setup." And then asking me to. stop. And it's interesting to hear Erica. say that the reason she didn't ask me to. stop in the beginning because she was. she was actually learning things from. the show. She was actually learning. things. And that. I think she similarly felt that Bari. Weiss was trying to create a moment. Obviously, it's who Bari Weiss is. It's. the Zionist lobby.

Uh she's trying to right wrong perceived. wrongs because I'm against her side. I. that does not surprise me. That's kind. of why Bari Weiss exists. That's the. reason they put her at CBS is because. she's just committed to uh. stacking the audience with people that. are going to present the pro-Israel. cause and talk about anti-Semitism and. talk about like crime being on the rise. It's kind of an embarrassment, but I. actually do accept that. And. I should also clarify that Bari Weiss. obviously uh.

picked those questions. They were not. random, like I told you. It wasn't like. people were coming to the mic, and it. was an open mic, and they didn't know. what they were going to get. It was all. very much planned by Bari, but Erica. said that she knew the general idea, like they were going to mention me and. mention the conspiracies. And but she. was not given that specific the. podcaster Candace Owens question. So I. think that's fair to clear that up now. I did not at all recant any of my. suspicions, and I I understand people. disagree with me.

about particularly people at Turning. Point USA. I communicated what I. communicated in front of the whole. world. I. my skin crawled after I spoke to Terrell. Farnsworth, the person who took the. cameras down. He lied to me several. times. I explained to them, which felt. good to have that direct communication, how Terrell lied multiple times, and. that I did not understand why he was. there that day. They echoed what he. said. They defended what he said that. they were trying something new that day,

that they typically livestream, which is. what Terrell said, they typically. livestream and I said, "Every college. event?" Well, they said, "Well, yeah, they livestream the events that are tour. stops, but they don't livestream like. the outside prove me wrong type of. events." And that was something that was. new and it required Terrell. And I said, "Even if that was all real, uh if that was all true, I still didn't. feel good about the conversation that I. had with Terrell and I can't ignore my. gut about the many little lies that he. told. I thought the video he recorded. was weird. I know he comes from a very. powerful family. I just I personally do.

not trust him and I obviously do not. like the fact that I said, you know, Tyler Boyer lied about this thing and. said came up with an excuse and said, "Well, Terrell was asked to take the. camera down. That's the reason." He said. on Twitter. Because the police wanted him to take it. down and secure the footage and I said, "I know that's not true." And they said, "Well, after all of that, yeah, after he took the cameras down, there was a police officer or or fed, whoever it was to him and asked him to. secure the footage." Well, that makes. sense, but it's not a reason for why he.

took it down immediately. It makes sense. that as you're investigating, you're. going to say, "Who's got the footage? You know, let's lock it down." But it. didn't make sense to me that Tyler Boyer. lied about it and I don't trust Tyler. Boyer and that does not that is never. going to change. Similarly with Rob. McCoy, he makes my skin crawl. I can't. explain it. This is a I look at him and. he's a bad person and nobody can make me. feel one way or the other about that. I. was surprised to learn. and this is kind of gets into, I guess, us not knowing the inner workings of. Turning Point USA, that Rob McCoy.

actually does not work with Turning. Point USA in any capacity whatsoever. And so him communicating as he has done, like I'm the pastor on this, I'm that, it's just not real. Like that is not. real and we should know that that's not. real and when he says that, call him out. on that separately from Turning Point. USA. I was operating under the. assumption that he worked for Turning. Point USA and I said, "If obviously. that's that's wrong, I'm happy to. correct that." But also, what were we to.

assume when he hit the stage at the. memorial and said, "I'm America's. pastor" and then had the Wikipedia. updated and said, well, I'm assuming he. had it updated cuz who else would do. that, that he started Turning Point USA. Faith? So, I guess, to be clear, we were just. wrong about that and I will have a lot. more to say about Rob McCoy and where I. believe he fits into a lot of things. So, I'm not letting up on that now. One. piece of this where I was I still don't.

understand it and. the magic bullet. Okay? Now, we all recall what happened. I casually say on the show, "Hey, I saw the footage, there was no. blood." And honestly, when I when I said. it, I didn't process how big of a deal. that was with the .30-06. Very quickly, what happens is Andrew. Kolvet whips up this this tweet about. the. what happened with the bullet and he. said he had he wanted to address all the. discussion that was being had about the. online chatter. I'm obviously.

paraphrasing here. He says, "I apologize, it's going to get. graphic." But he spoke with the surgeon. The bullet should have gone through. The. surgeon then explained that what he's. typically seen on these wounds and. basically this was all a miracle. Charlie saved lives even in death. And. the internet clocked it, this miracle, the healthy bone, his bone was so. healthy and and the density was so. impressed like this is a quote, his bone. was so healthy. I want to read it. This. is allegedly from a surgeon, quote, "His.

bone was so healthy and the density was. so so impressive that he's like the man. of steel. It should have gone through. and through. It likely would have killed. those standing behind him, too.". And we were just like, eh. That kind of was like the beginning of. the WTF, right? I feel like that was kind of the. beginning of it. And immediately people in the comments. responded to Andrew and he said,

this individual said, "This post is so. fake as it would violate HIPAA. Like. there's patient privacy. You can't just. call up the surgeon." And then Andrew. Kolvet replies and says, "Rest assured, I would not have posted without full. permission." Now, he said he spoke to. the surgeon and they confirmed that. Andrew spoke to the surgeon, but that. they did not know that he was going to. write that tweet. He did they did not. know that he called up the surgeon. So, like it very much came across to me like.

Andrew was just flying. by the seat of his pants. I I I don't I. don't know. It like he was just flying. dark on it and I was like, "That seems. very strange to me because why would a. surgeon do that?" Like the first thing. the surgeon should say is, "I can't. speak to you.". I don't even know in theory Andrew. wasn't even there when Charlie died. I. don't even know why the surgeon even. knows this guy, actually. Maybe he hung around after, but you. know, Andrew was not one of the people. that got into the hospital or anything. like that. So, this is this is quite. literally the PR guy who's calling the.

surgeon and uh so that that just seems. that just seems very inappropriate for a. person to do, period, and I would say it. was kind of the beginning, but that was. that was what I got from that. Now, obviously we discussed the security. I. brought up Brian Harpole, this interview. with Sean Ryan and I think we can. believe Turning Point when they say that. they did not approve of this. They had. no idea he was going on Sean Ryan. I. think that's pretty clear. I don't. believe he works there anymore. So, that.

was kind of him just getting out there. and perhaps trying to rescue his own. reputation and I think that that only. made his reputation worse, actually, because people rightfully sensed that he. wasn't telling the truth in that. interview, that he was being cagey, that. he was saying things that didn't make. any sense. Again, you constantly have. these people that believe, like Brian. Harpole, that with enough performance. you can sit down and you're just going. to convince people that this is real and. this is just a different time. Like I. said, these TikTokers are out of.

control. They will check you in 4. seconds, okay? Things that. the biggest piece of this that I want to. communicate and that I did communicate. to them, and I hope that they took me. um seriously on this or that rather that. they that they take my strong advice on. this. I said, "One of the reasons why I. really want to sit down is cuz I want to. walk out of here. and feel. confident saying to my audience, 'Hey, like. there's stuff going on behind the. scenes, but Tyler Robinson.

shot Charlie Kirk.'". Like I that more will come out, but you. can take it from me that this is what. happened. I was looking to achieve that. because there's been a lot of signaling. from various people, some people who are. experts, some people who have been involved in. cases that there's obviously going to be. stuff that the public does not have. access to. And so, it is at least. plausible. that. they have seen very clear footage that. we've been asking for of Tyler Robinson.

getting up there and taking the shot. Like they have access to UVU cameras. So, I was hoping to hear that and I said. that I was I want to hear why people. feel so confident Turning Point USA that. Tyler Robinson is the guy. And at this point, they elected to call. the lawyer. Like, you know, their their. lawyer who is involved in this case, one. of the lawyers that's involved in this. case. There's always a team of lawyers, especially for something like this and. what I got from the lawyer. did not make me feel that Tyler Robinson.

shot Charlie Kirk. It not make me feel. confident that Charlie that he didn't or. did shoot Charlie Kirk. I was very. surprised by this. He spoke a very long. time. I asked, you know, "Can you share. with me what it is?" And I said, "When. you share this with me, I will not say. what that thing is if that's what we if. we want to protect the integrity of the. case. I'm not going to if you say, 'We've got the footage of him taking the. shot.' I'm I promise I won't say that to. the audience, but I will communicate to. them that you have something that is. solid.". And no, to to the exact contrary, this. guy.

effectively said, not effectively, he said that they have. nothing like but the affidavit. Okay? So, what you have what we have. seen is what they have. What people what. is being discussed publicly, you are. this whole like non-expert problem or. like, "Well, you don't know." It's like. what you read, his messages that don't have any dates. on it, Tyler Robinson writing out. everything and the clean alibi, that's. what they have. And what he explained to. me was that that's the affidavit stage, that's where that's where it's at. And.

then what takes place now is the. investigation is ongoing, right? So, right now they're looking for more. information and once investigators. they could very well have obviously. footage and that is why they might feel. uh that oh, we're definitely going to. get this prosecution, but the reality is. is they don't actually share that. information with the victim. They don't. share that information with Erica. They. don't in this part of the process, they. will not know what in investigators have. discovered. This is what the lawyer told. me, until May.

Okay? They will not they have not seen. anything that you have not seen is what. I want you to know. So, with that in mind, I'm sitting here. going, "Why are you signaling Why are Why do I. feel like the the public's being gaslit. on this? There's been nothing that's. convincing. There are so many. commentators who have gone out and said. to you, 'It's overwhelming. The evidence. is overwhelming.' The text messages that. don't have a date, that don't even sound. real, that's overwhelming? That to me. feels really fake and gay. I really do. want to say that to every commentator.

that is out there trying to tell the. public and insisting that if you say it. enough times, it'll become real, you're. you're actually just being dishonest. And I offer that a more honest way to. communicate would be to say, 'We think. he's involved.' We feel strongly I've. said that, I think he's involved. We are. very hopeful that throughout this. investigation, we are going to get that. concrete thing. And that's where we're at right now. That's just the stage that we are at. That is not what we are getting from. them. That is like I just I just feel.

like that's really important to let you. guys know. Let the gaslighting stop. They have what you have, okay? There is. nothing else. They are in an. investigative stage. Erica has been. named as the victim. They will know more. in this May hearing, which is the. probable cause hearing. That's what the. lawyer told me it's probable cause. hearing and that's when they will see. the evidence. That's when they get to. present the evidence why they are going. to stand there before a judge and be. like, yes, we need to move this forward. It's not just an affidavit. We're not. putting together scraps. We have. concrete evidence. Until then, okay?

Until we all get on the same page and. understand what else they have, I am. very confident stating the opposite of. all of my, I guess, well-paid peers in. that I don't believe that Tyler Robinson. pulled the trigger. And what I also said. to them was. And I said this in front of the lawyer. cuz I don't I don't know why I'm like. this. I was like, you might need a new. lawyer. I was like, because this. person's trying to sell to you that this. is solid. One of the rules that me and. my husband have is if you have a lawyer. that tells you like you're 100% going to. win, it's very it's very clear that.

you're going to win, you need a new. lawyer. Okay? That's a cheerleader. It's not. that's not a lawyer. A lawyer, even if. you you should 100% win, should be. telling you the risks here, you know? I. feel good about this case that like let. me talk real to you. I feel good about. this case, but here's where things could. go wrong. I want you to understand those. risks that are involved. We don't have. this yet. We don't have that yet. And. especially given what I told them, which. is I'm the only your lawyers or the. investigators rather, not their lawyers. cuz they're not the ones investigating, it's the state of Utah that's. investigating. They have not called the.

one solitary person, as I told you guys, who filmed as he was on the roof. Remember the guy that's like, oh, there's somebody on the roof, and he. sees him crouch down. I said, I spoke to. that person and his testimony would be. devastating to your prosecution. He did. not He saw the person on the roof. He. filmed the person on the roof at 12:23. p.m. and he did not see that person take. the shot. And this is not some random. student. This is a guy who trains people.

to shoot guns at a range. He knows guns, okay? He saw He said what he saw was a. smaller gun. He said that this person. was dressed in black tactical gear and. there was no recoil. That's devastating. To that would be. devastating to the prosecution. And yet. investigators haven't reached out. Now, they offered back, well, maybe they. haven't reached out because they have an. even clearer video where he And that's. that's true. That's actually a good. rebuttal. They're like, we don't even. have to check with this guy because the. video will speak for itself and we saw. we saw what we saw.

There's a Okay, but wouldn't you still. want to speak to the other guy so you. could prepare. uh. I don't know, to to question him. something. I I don't like that this. investigation is going on and I have. apparently or I feel as though I spoke. to more people than they have. I spoke. Both of the people who filmed videos. that day. uh told me that they weren't reached out. to. So, I don't I don't understand. what's happening here. I don't. understand the confidence, I guess, is. the best way to say this. I told them, I. do not understand the confidence that is. happening. Now,

another really big thing that happened. was. they brought me Mikey's call logs, okay? They brought me Mikey's call logs and. that is why I said this was a productive. meeting. There is no other way to say. it. I asked every question and they came. with paperwork to show and to answer and. to explain certain things. Also, which. was I thought actually kind of sweet, that I guess I'm, you know, I did on the. previous show, I was like kind of. looking at things in a Mikey and I. couldn't find him. And someone said, I think Mikey's not.

his like real name. Like they thought it. was his middle name, actually. And I. just assumed, okay, well, maybe he's. using his middle name and that's why I. can't find him. But Mikey really wants. you guys to know that is his real name. And it is his real name. I found out. shortly thereafter that they were. uh confusing his middle name with they. they thought it was switched. That it My. Michael is his real name. Just to. clarify that cuz I realized I actually. didn't go back and clarify that. Uh but Mikey's call logs, big piece of. this, okay? I'm going to, I guess, jog your memory.

on what Blake said about Mikey that day. and then I'll tell you what actually. happened cuz I don't think Blake has. that great of a memory, okay? Take a. listen. So, I was not with Mikey or I don't. remember being with him. I think I was. ahead of him as we left. And then we get. out and I run for must have can't have. been more than 15 or 20 seconds. And. then I realize there hasn't been another. shot. So, the shooter has likely been. detained or stopped or something. Not in. immediate danger. I pause. I look around.

me and I see Mikey. And I see Mikey. there. And I'll never Truthfully, I will. never forget what I saw because I've. seen Mikey almost every day for the past. 2 years. Uh I know his personality very. well. He's a very bubbly guy. He's a. very happy guy almost all of the time. And I'll never forget what I saw because. it was clear in the moment that he he. was. profoundly freaked out. What I'll always. remember is the way his his lip was. quivering, which I'd never seen before. And you you very rarely see from someone.

that's he was. freaking out. And then I think he. literally said to me, I I might be. imagining this, but I think what he. literally said was he's And then he was. looking around and then he says, I I need to call Erica. And he then he. takes his phone and he begins calling. Erica. And I don't want to disclose how that. >> Yeah. >> call unfolded, but he did that this, you. know, your mind extends all of this. But. that is happening within. a minute of all of this occurring. I. remember he calls Erica.

I around the same time I pull out my. phone and I call my mom just to say, Mom, there's been a shooting. You're. going to see it on the news. I'm okay. You know, pray for me. I've got to go. And I remember that call. And around the time I I put that phone. away and then he immediately calls his. dad. He calls Robin McCoy. And he says, Dad, someone shot Charlie. You need to call all of your pastor. friends. Charlie was hit. We need. everyone to pray right now. And that's. what he told him. Okay, so that's just not right. And so,

when he says, I might be imagining this. for I'll never forget followed by I. might be imagining this, probably means. that maybe you forgot and like you. really could be imagining. Now, for me. personally, I think the normal physiological. response in these high adrenaline. situations for most people is you lock. in. Like they're literally your body. when it goes through something. when it's when it's terrified, it is. going through this sort of like you are. really paying attention to details. We've learned about this many times over.

in health class growing up. This is why. they talk about that fight or flight. response and quite literally there's. stuff happening to your body. And so, there's a lot of details here that are. just just not accurate. And the one that. surprised me the most about these call. logs is I certainly feel that we were. given the impression over and over and. over again that the first person Mikey. called was Erica. Right? He called. Erica. He was We were told this by. many people. Also, that he was he. trained. Like like how he almost like. went to to a camp and trained and. Charlie was like, 1 2 3 go. And like.

fast. 1 2 3 go. Go. Go. That's why he. walked away. 1 2 3 go. And just told. him, this is what the first thing you do. is. Well, he didn't do that. Actually, the. first person he called was his wife. He. called Elizabeth McCoy. Um and then he stayed on the phone with. his wife for 10 minutes. And during those 10 minutes, he. three-wayed Erica 3 minutes after the. shot went off. And then he three-ways. his father and then he three-ways a. third person who I am not interested in. mentioning cuz it's not relevant.

This is Danny McCoy, by the way, is his. brother that's in the military, but. that's before the shot goes off. Charlie Kirk shot goes off. You know, I. have that in detail. Charlie's brought. to security. Mikey McCoy calls his wife. They will stay on the phone for 10. minutes. Okay? In that same minute, cuz we know. this cuz Blake Neff has given us his. call log to his mother. Blake Neff. called his mom. His call with his mother. lasted 45 seconds. So, we're assuming it. went to 12:25. It very well could have. stayed in 12:24 depending on the.

millisecond. Blake Neff ends that phone call with his. mother. Mikey McCoy, after the phone call with. his mother ends, call adds Erica to the. phone. Okay? So, that when he was recapping and. he's like, oh, his lips quivering and. he's like, I got to call Erica. He's. like, and then I called my mom. That's not right. That's just not right, okay? Mikey. called Erica after Blake Neff ended that. phone call with his mother. If call logs. are to be believed above, you know,

human testimony. Mikey McCoy then drops Erica from the. phone call 2 minutes later and then he. adds his father to the phone call. Again, he is this entire time on the. phone with his wife, okay? And then Mikey McCoy ends his phone call. with his father. He does call another person who I might. not mention cuz it's just not relevant. to anything. Uh you know, not a character in the. story rather. And then he ends the phone. call with his wife and a minute later.

his brother calls him back and they stay. on the phone for 10 minutes. I did not get this from everybody. speaking about this Mikey McCoy call. log. I know that you guys did not get. this. I did not get this. I don't know. why she was disappeared from this. Like. you could go the wife wants privacy. No, she was like, you know, main stage. Um. at the memorial has been, you know, I. would say very involved in a lot of this. kind of, you know, like I I think it's. very close that she's close with Erica.

Uh they went on the vacation together. So, I just I didn't I don't get this. disappearing act. I find I found that to. be like, okay, but but. they were forthcoming with it. That feels good. That feels good, guys. Like, wow, we can we don't have to. guess. Now we have solid answers. And. like I said, when you come out and give. solid answers and you're not weird and. calling people names and saying all this. stuff, it allows people to go, "Okay, I I feel a bit more like we can trust. this process because we have.

communication." That's the reality. Um and so I just I wanted to update you. with that. Also, another thing that really I think. surprised them and I think surprised me. is getting back to this Hampton's. retreat. I. The thing about the Hampton's retreat, and I communicated this with them, that makes me so. um. uncomfortable is how many little lies. were told. I think I've been clear about that.

Like Seth Dillon definitively pressed. Charlie at this event. Now, whether it. was in a hypothetical, which it was in a. hypothetical, what but he got fired up. in the hypothetical of Charlie. discussing potentially tweeting. something against Bibi Netanyahu. It did. lead to this firecracker moment. Again, this is one of those things where I go, "Why am I always being held out to dry. like hung out to dry for telling people. the truth?" Especially when I wasn't. going, "Oh, well, Seth Dillon killed. Charlie Kirk." I just like this. happened. It factually happened, and yet.

everybody's kind of putting out these. weird statements and they're not being. honest in them, and I was saying to them. that made me feel really weird. And. I would love to know more and about this. Bibi Netanyahu offer. to fund Turning Point to the next level. Uh at which point Erica said she was not. aware of that happening. It is obviously. totally possible that that was kept in. the business lane at Turning Point USA. But I'm certain I said I am absolutely. certain that I did not get this from an.

obscure source that Bibi offered to fund. Turning Point to the next level, and it. was part of my frustration with that. sit-down with Alex Clark where. Andrew said, "Oh, there was not a $150. million. That's made up.". You know, I told them, "Andrew Kolb told. me my source.". Andrew Kolb told me. verbatim. that Bibi Netanyahu offered to take. Turning Point to the next level and that. Charlie turned that money down. So I said, "There's a bit of a. predicament when I am being like.

lambasted by all of these voices and. people that are attacking me and these. paid campaigns." And when I say paid, yes, okay, I actually have the names of. people. Different ways they're being. paid. Some are being paid by PR firms. Uh too many are being paid by PragerU, which is upsetting to me because I know. Marissa, and it's just dirty. Uh but. it's it's especially crazy when people. are calling it a conspiracy when I share. things that are told to me from the.

spokesperson of Turning Point USA. Okay? That's weird. And yes, they were. forthcoming. Nobody's ever denied this, so this was not on our list of lies. about the fact that DB Netanyahu did. call him, okay? That did happen. Bibi. shared that, by the way. Our source for. that could have just as well been Bibi. Netanyahu. Uh and not a lot of clarity on. I don't know why some people think he. didn't make this offer and why. definitively three different sources who.

would have knowledge of this confirmed. to me that Bibi Netanyahu did indeed. make this offer. I never said $150. million ever, not once on this show. I wouldn't have even said that, by the. way. If you said take Turning Point to. the next level, I actually would have. assumed it was more. I'm being honest. That's like that's a. that's a hefty offer, and it leads to a. lot of questions. So. there was not a lot of clarity there. Lastly, I want to add, of course I was. locked in this meeting when people. online were another round of debunking. the Egyptian planes. I want to be very.

clear. We discussed the Egyptian planes, and I have since worked on an incredible. document about the Egyptian planes, which we are going to put up on our. websites because I realized that when we. sent that when we shared that. spreadsheet, people assumed that that. one of the columns, which was actually. saying where the planes landed on that. day, cuz it was plus or minus 3 days, was exactly where Erica had been on that. day, and that was inaccurate. And so for. clarity, I had been working on the last. week on turning it into an interactive. timeline that we can put up on our. website cuz I'm certain that these.

Egyptian planes are incredibly shady and. that they were in fact tracking Turning. Point USA Faith Broader events. Of. course, Erica was at some of them, Charlie was at some of them, but it is. the the pattern here is undeniable. So. let the naysayers and people make videos. trying to what do we fifth round debunk. these planes. I also want to say to you. that I feel very confident that I know. why these planes have caused such panic, and it is because there is. overwhelming evidence that these planes.

regularly fly in and out of Israel. And I'm I'm going to present that. evidence tomorrow evidence tomorrow. I. say that strongly. This is the. Like I feel very confident saying these. Egyptian planes are flying in and out. And notice I'm saying planes because. once I was able to connect people that. were on those planes onto other Egyptian. planes, I was able to realize that these. planes are flying in and out of Israel. And turning their transponder off each. time that they do it. That is now makes. perfect sense of why there was this mass. panic, right? It's not exactly like we.

have a strong Egyptian lobby. in the United States. Not like we're. like, "Oh, well, those darn Egyptians. again are trying to get TikTok. censored." I I mean, every person in the. game, Barry, acting. Well, these these. are the usual suspects that act if. something is a threat to Israel, okay? Which is they should have just been. forthcoming, pretended that it was. changing a part. Instead, they're trying. to gaslight us, and they're actually. frankly just pissing me off. So I became. locked in on these Egyptian planes. because that's how I am, okay? You keep. pushing me and keep pushing me, I will.

become an expert on these planes. I'll. learn how to build an Egyptian plane. The reality is, like I said, tomorrow I. will show you how these planes tie back. to Israel. And there's there's no. there's no disproving this. So. uh more on that later. We'll be right. back after uh throwing in some of our. sponsors. All right, you guys, when they double. down on abortion, we know that we have. to double down on supporting life. Through our partnership with Pre-Born, we can help save babies and support. mothers that are in need. Every day. Pre-Born's clinics rescue hundreds of.

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First and foremost, I just got a live. update that I I thought it was Danny. McCoy on the call log. I should totally. correct that, and I will correct that, and we'll be sure to trim it in post. here, but it is not Danny McCoy. It is. Danny, another one of Charlie's. assistants. So I will correct that. Please correct that if you're going to. make videos, not Danny McCoy, that he. that called him and then called him. after. That is another assistant of. Charlie's. So we want to be accurate. I. don't know why I assumed it was Danny. McCoy in my head. I I may have done. that. Okay, another thing. You guys have. may have been noticing that we are. getting into this weird space where they.

seem to be almost writing like Candace. Owens fan fiction. I can't even reply to. things, and a lot of you sensed that. this was because we were getting close. I agree. I fully agree that these. attacks, which have grown hysterical, like I can't even begin to tell you the. conversations between me and my PR. person. I'm like, just like there's. nothing to respond to. I mean, there's. not even one sentence of this that is. true. Case in point, by the way, um. New York Post does this article today.

It was We were actually laughing, okay? Like, Inside Candace Owens's sadistic. and dangerous world, monetizing baseless. conspiracies. This is after, by the way, they changed. my my husband's. Wikipedia. It said that he was a Qatari, like he had a Qatari passport or. citizenship. I don't think my husband's. ever even flown over Qatar. I could be. wrong, but I don't think he's I know. he's never been to Qatar. I don't think. he's ever flown over Qatar, and they're.

just making it up, and then they make it. trends, no matter what it is. And I'm. like, this is happening. It's like a. psychological operation because they're. trying to keep us constantly responding. as opposed to focusing on our. investigation, which is why I I spent. this weekend, and I just kept down on. the Egyptian planes because it's it's. it's it's completely crazy. And when you. see a media storm like this, it can only. be happening because Zionists are. locking arms and going attack attack. attack because they by and large control. the media. They just do, okay? One way. or the other, Zionists control the. empire media's, and they are scared. about something in this investigation.

We've noticed that from the very. beginning. So, um they wrote in this article, the. New York Post, just to give you an. example of how I'm saying this is. They said they had an inside source that. told them that while I was at the Daily. Wire, I just fought with people from the. very source, that in my first week, I. threw my car keys at a producer and. expected them to park my car. That. sentence genuinely made me laugh so hard. because I never once, in the entire time.

that I worked for the Daily Wire, did I. ever drive my car to work, okay? I just. didn't They had a driver that took me. there. So, I don't know why I would. suddenly take the driver's keys and then. throw it at somebody, but quite. literally, I never drove to Daily Wire. So, it's just when I say fan fiction, I'm like, this is fan fiction. Secondly, they say I did that to a producer and. that I conducted demanded others do my. research. Could not be further from the. truth. I have always always done my own.

shows. I I can't I can't read a script. I riff my shows. I think that's pretty. obvious. That I demanded a huge studio. attempted to use their PR firm to get. the cover of People magazine, like. full fan fiction. There's not even a. shred I don't even think we ever had a. conversation about People magazine cuz. that would not be a normal outlet for. any conservatives. That I wanted to be. on the cover of People is insane, and.

they said that their sources also said. that like my team hated me. My team came. with me when I got fired. My whole team's here. So, I was just. going, okay, what is happening here? Why. are we talking about Qatar? Why are they. making these things up? And I have come. to the same conclusion as you. It is. because we are we are dangerously close. to something. I think we have to keep pushing on the. Wachuka air base, which we are doing, and tomorrow we're going to get back.

into the investigation. We're just going. to ignore the noise because, as I have. said and as I have maintained, I believe that Charlie was betrayed by. people that are close to him. And I. asked that question in the meeting. I'm. like, okay, if we can agree. that everyone around I was like, I know. there are people that turn on you who. are not good people, right? And it's. it's feasible that people, if they have. addictions, that they you know, you you. can definitely get yourself in a. scenario where you are willing to sell. somebody out. This is a massive. organization. How can we so confidently.

state that nobody had anything to do. here. to do with anything here? And I think that one of the things that. Erica was like, well, I'm not like a. feminist and I didn't want the vibe of. that, which I think it did come across. it like a bit of a feminist to say like. this is all my family. I'm like, how. could this all be your family? I I know. people in this family, and they're not. good people. I wouldn't even do that with my own. family, okay? I got people in my family, like we all do, you know, who aren't. exactly walking a straight arrow in. life. And yeah, so I I I've communicated.

that. I have not changed my position on. that. I am not going to stop researching. the characters in this that I don't feel. good about. But further to sort of them just. creating and making things up, Tim Pool. has now gone out and extraordinarily. claimed that I have the same the same. security as Charlie Kirk, and that I'm a. fraud, and that actually I have the. exact same security. You will recall. that Tim just said a week ago that I.

have no security, okay? This is Tim Pool. a week ago. She is burning everything down, and she's gloating and smiling while she. does it. And you know what you told me? She has no security. SHE DOESN'T. DEAL with the we have TO DEAL WITH. SHE HAS SECURITY, just not on the level. of you. Oh, yeah, the one fat guy you. mentioned with no wall and no barrier in. a suburban neighborhood with neighbors. Shouldn't give two. No one's out for her. She's lying about. all of this. YOU TOLD ME YOU WENT TO HER.

HOUSE, and she's got a 4-ft wall and one. fat guy, and she doesn't give a about. her security. So, that was like Tim last Monday. This. is Tim who said I had no security except. for one fat guy, which I told you was. not true. Now he's saying this. Take a. listen. Uh okay. Uh I'll I'll say things. I probably shouldn't say, but I'm going. to say cuz I always get super heated on. this. Um Candace Owens has the same. security team as uh Turning Point and. and and Charlie Kirk did. She's lying. She has the same security. people. I've been digging into this.

I've been meeting with people and. talking with them, and I shouldn't say. too much because there's more that's. going to be coming out soon cuz rest. assured, people are filing legal. paperwork against her. Candace has the same security team or. has used the same security companies and. the same security personnel as Charlie. and Erica did. So, when she comes out. and is questioning them, she is lying. outright. Now, I've invited many of these people to. come on. We'll see what happens. We'll. see what what when they can. The issue. is the moment Candace goes on her show. to millions of people and lies,

litigation begins. And what happens when. litigation begins? People don't do. interviews about it about it. She is exploiting this, and she knows. she is, to keep people wrapped up in. this insanity. He Tim versus Tim, undefeated. And what. I will also say is that's all a lie. It's just it's That's what I'm It's. almost like they have just sent. a call like, they're getting too close, and just I don't care what you write. I. don't care if it's complete fiction. Make it believable. Say her husband beats her. Say her it's.

coming after my husband. They're coming. after me, and they're making stuff up. I. have never employed the same security. team as Charlie Kirk. We We went our. separate ways early, actually back There. was like it's obviously been publicized. before he had Shafer Security. And. Shafer Security, which was run by Greg. Shafer, who has issued a public. statement, they had Dan Flood and Brian. Harpool working for them initially. I. told Charlie I did not like the security. apparatus. I got my own security.

separate from Charlie from the very. beginning, okay? That's a fact. It just. is a fact. There's no way to undo that. fact. Trying to do this strategy of. you're going to get sued is just. threatening somebody. If there was any. truth to that, you you can't just file. legal paperwork. You have to send a. cease and desist. You have to say, something you said on your show was. untrue. Can you please correct this, okay? And if I ignore that, as I did. with Brigitte cuz I told the truth, as I. did with Kim Klacik cuz I told the. truth, then you have the grounds to file. something. We have received no cease and. desist from Charlie's security.

whatsoever. Over what? I mean, the. audacity that you're filing a lawsuit. and someone got murdered on your watch? Because I I accurately said that the. Brian Harpool message he showed belonged. to Dan Flood. It did. And that they didn't do a walk-through. on that day. They didn't. Like And if something I'm getting wrong. and you'd like to show me that actually. it did, send it. Send it over. We're only. interested in getting the truth, and. we're not getting it. Uh we're certainly not expecting to get. it from Tim Pool. That is that is crazy.

That's That's just crazy town. But I do. think that that is right now the Zionist. strategy, and that's why I want to. encourage you guys to stay focused. Uh. Wachuka, which we're going to have a lot. on tomorrow, uh because there's there is. something there, and I think that that. caused a panic, as well as the Egyptian. planes, which I am telling you, go back. relate to Israel, and I'll be able to. prove that tomorrow for all of the. naysayers. And again, it's only because. this is how they act. If they they they always overreact, and. then it lets us know that we are close. They are like in alarm. They are just in. alarm.

Um something else that I wanted to show. you, by the way, I thought we were not supposed to be. doing live streams while we were. speaking, but Turning Point, I guess, has their daily show, but that I didn't. feel like that was communicated to me. It felt like a ceasefire, and then it. got violated, but they had an. interesting conversation on their show. yesterday, on the Charlie Kirk show, uh. about this trial, the upcoming trial. about Tyler Robinson, and here is what. they had to say. Take a listen. So, this is straight from the charging. document. It says, Robinson's mother. explained that over the last year or so,

Robinson had become more political and. started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro-gay and trans rights. oriented. She stated that Robinson began. to date his roommate, a biological male. who was transitioning genders. This. resulted in several discussions with. family members, but especially between. Robinson and his father, who have very. different political views. In one. conversation before the shooting, Robinson mentioned that Charlie Kirk. would be holding an event at UVU, which. Robinson said was a quote, stupid venue. for the event. Robinson accused Kirk of. spreading hate. And when you see how.

easy that rooftop access is, you start. to kind of put one and one together, and. you realize that Robinson had a plan. that he was going to ultimately take. advantage of and he he obviously knew. how easy it was to get up to that. rooftop. Which is. which is terrifying. It really is. And look, you know, one of. the other things that's being pushed. around for a long time was that, you. know, you TPUSA. both the local chapter and and you guys. didn't advertise this event till a.

couple days prior to. Now, the. insinuation there is that that doesn't. give Tyler enough time to plan for this. And what we found out with a little bit. of, I don't know, 20 not even 5 minutes. of Googling and and looking. Look, you. guys had already put out on your website. as early as August 27th. So, we have at. least almost a full 2 weeks prior to. this that not only the time of the. event, but the location, the exact. location of the UVU courtyard. So, when. you have over 10 days of planning, and.

it sounds like that Tyler already was. familiar with the campus to begin with, like a lot of the mystery of this starts. to go out the window and and it starts. to really. conform with what is exactly being. proposed by the state of Utah and the. FBI in the charging documents. Yeah, and. and we can attest, we, you know, Andrew. Seifer, who's our head of field, you. know, Charlie sometimes throw the events. out, you know, 7, 10 days in advance if. something opened up in his schedule, he. would be able to do these outdoor events.

a pretty quick turn. Um and so those those whole that that. whole theory kind of goes out the. window. So, unless I am mistaken, and I am not. perfect, but I do feel like we worked. really hard to see when this location. was first revealed. The first time that. we found that the courtyard was. mentioned, because Charlie's speaking at. events, your assumption would be they're. inside, right? You have no idea where it. is. So, it's not like you can see. whether you have a shot to the courtyard. unless you know Charlie's speaking in. the courtyard. The earliest that we. found that was on September 2nd, uh the.

local media mentioned on K K AM YU that. Charlie was speaking at UVU in the. courtyard. Okay? That's the first time. that we found this. If I am wrong, please tag me because what he's. referring to on August 27th that. happened, which we have on our timeline. as well, and this is why I love a. timeline, is that TPUSA, UVU, and the. local BYU chapter shared a graphic. announcing that Charlie was coming to. UVU, but there were absolutely no. location details mentioned. So, that.

actually does shred the idea that he. could have practically gone and scaled. rooftops before September 2nd. That's. the first public mention is September. 2nd. So, they announced the event on. August 27th, as he says, no location. details, and then on September 2nd, there are location details provided by. local media for the first time. Prove me wrong. Okay? Prove me wrong if that is if I if. I'm inaccurate, cuz I I do think that we. were thorough on that. I will update my.

timeline if not. It does then go beg the. question, surely they must have footage. after September 2nd of him testing the. rooftop in some capacity to then. realize, oh, it's going to be an outdoor. event. This is this is an opportunity. for me to go after him. We are waiting for that, and like I. said, I was told that they don't have anything. that the public doesn't have. So, it's it's not obvious to me. I don't. think it's obvious to the public. Now, I. do want to get to Viva Viva Frey,

who had this to say regarding drones. Oh, sorry. I mean, sorry, around the. regarding the text messages from Tyler. Robinson. A lot has been made about these text. exchange that have gone back that went. back and forth between Robinson and his. his lover, his trans furry gay lover, whatever. Um and people say it doesn't sound. right, it doesn't sound right. Well, there is a video that I want everybody. to check out uh by Turkey Tom. I believe. you've watched it now, Viva, where.

and and this has been authenticated as. somebody who was in the Discord chats. with them and apparently spent time with. them at this apartment. And he said, 100% this is how they talked. Which is a. striking finding. We're going to go into. that more uh probably tomorrow or the. next day, depending on uh how today. goes. But I mean, I get the skepticism on this. I at first. it struck me, too. But apparently this. is how they talk, Viva. That was not the most um.

the most implausible thing to believe. Okay, so you have a text message. It. does read regardless of whether or not. this is how they talk. Um people saying. they were they were manufactured by or. drafted by AI. To the extent that. they're confirmed text messages, you. can, you know, come to whatever conclusions. you want after that. But they, you know, whether or not this is how they talk. regularly, to the extent that those were. authentic text messages, they show what. they show, which is whether or not uh. his lover was aware of what was going. on. You're etching bullets and, you. know, it's it may be not for target.

practice of of of a sporting nature. But. like when I say I don't believe the. official narrative, and you you have to. go back to a number of things here. I I. I put my sort of. best theory as to what what went down. I. want to know who was on the Discord chat. in advance, what they were discussing, and whether or not there might have been. some other foreign in- I say foreign, not foreign government, but other. influence there. Tyler Robinson is. getting radicalized right about the same. time as Thomas Crooks, right about the. same time as. uh the other guy, Ryan Ruth. You know,

he's being radicalized at a politically. relevant period of time, right around. the same time, oddly enough, as the. alleged suspect in the January 6th pipe. bomber. You know, a time frame where. political violence. is. potentially very useful in in like, you. know, for the upcoming election. So, the. time frame of the radicalization is is. very interesting. To see whether or not. he was on anybody's radar beforehand. We. don't yet know that, and why there would. not be confirmation on that can lead to. suspicion. You remember the old man, George Zin, arrested for claiming to be. the shooter the day of and then gets.

busted for CP on his phone. Like. in my mind, if I'm making a plausible. theory here, George Zin was probably on. some Discord chat with a bunch of young. perverts, and he's an old pervert, and. he's getting off doing whatever they do. on those chats. He knows what's going. down. He shows up there and thinks he's. going to be some useful decoy or. distraction for Tyler Robinson cuz they. know what's going down. That's my. theory, but, you know, it is. the absence of total disclosure, the. total lack of faith that anybody has, not just in the FBI per se, but in any. state law enforcement. Nobody has all.

Nobody has any faith in our institutions. anymore, and it leads people to go from, you know, healthy skepticism to just not believing. it, to concocting the most outlandish. conspiracy theories imaginable. But then those text messages, you can. understand how they will cause people to. come to those types of conclusions. And. I. you know, allegedly [clears throat] the rumors. are, Kash Patel, you know, getting mad. at Tulsi Gabbard and Joe Kent for trying. to look into a potential terrorist angle. to this, also does nothing to.

foment. faith in the system. I think it's what he's saying there is. perfectly valid, and we can all surmise. about what we think happened that day. We can also ignore the fact that I broke. the story that the nurses were told at. Utah Valley, which treated George Zin. Everyone's. ignoring think the things that I broke. She has no evidence, but he said he told. the nurses that he was paid to do that. So, whatever, we can all theorize, and. he which we're going to do in the. absence of any concrete facts. But I. will say it's good that Turning Point is. at least giving that air, right? I feel. before I I think that might even be the.

first time Andrew Kolvet has expressed. that he thought that those messages were. weird initially. That's good. That's. what people want. They want fresh air at. Turning Point USA. They want different. perspectives. They want to feel like. you're willing to have a conversation, and that at least you're going to defend. people when they're being called liars. when they're telling the truth about. something. That would feel more. authentic, I think. And so, I am. just to say this, very happy that we are. on much better feet and that we have. opened the lines of communication. I I. do genuinely think that Justin Stripe.

did a great job reffing that. conversation yesterday, and I also do. want to shout out Megan Kelly because. this was going We were trying to make. this happen in the background. uh really since Blake and Eff fumbled. the first invite. And thank you, that's. in large part because of you guys at. home that were like, what the F was. that? And I think that they got enough. flak that they were like, okay, we got. to fix this. But I I want to. commend him for for making that happen, for being the person that, you know, kind of rolled up his sleeves and was. like, okay, let's actually make some a. conversation happen and start answering. some questions, which I think was done.

well. And Megan Kelly, who was initially. going to, when we were going to live. stream the conversation, before the Bari Weiss moment, Megan. Kelly um offered to ref that. conversation. I felt like she would have. done a very good job. I I do think that. she has kept it very even. She has not. been hysterical and demonic, it's evil, how dare Candace. And I appreciated. that. She has said, I don't agree with. Candace, but I also don't think that. she's doing this because she's been. possessed by a demon. I think she. actually believes these things. And I. do. And I have a right to believe those. things. And I don't feel any differently about.

the people that I mentioned on the show. that I think are shady at Turning Point. USA. And with time, we'll see whether or. not I was right. That's I think that's. that's really what it comes down to, but. um all around, definitely a productive. conversation. I know it's 4 hours, so. things more things will come to my mind. as they become relevant, but I think. that that's a a good pause for right. now. We'll throw to some of our. sponsors. All right, you guys. So, for many. families, the holidays means excitement. and also a little bit of stress. Between. gifts, travel, and higher prices, it's.

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Charlie Kirk, and that's why we're doing. it. It does keep us free, and we are all. sensing the squeeze. It's like they just. want our speech. They want to purchase. rational thinking. We can't allow that. to happen. Okay, from this episode, Curbster writes, "I am praying that our. girl is playing the ultimate long game. while staying true to her convictions. and true toward all of us who have. backed her and Charlie from the. beginning. I am praying that God keeps. you strong, righteous, and faithful in. every step that you take. May God save. America and protect us all." I want to. say this to you guys uh just plainly.

If I was going to sell out, it would. have happened in the last 2 years, okay? Those offers were made, those threats. were made. I hope you have seen what I. have gone through to keep myself, really. I I I was fighting to stay me. And it was hard, and that it made me. really appreciate the fact that we do. live in a matrix, and every element is. controlled, and that is why they are. vicious right now with making up things. about me and my family, because now that. I chose freedom, they hate that I have. freedom. They hate that there's no more.

threats to make, right? So, they're just. in embarking on this fan fiction. campaign. But especially for the people that I. care about in life, right? Especially. for people whose heads I have held up, who have held up my head through really. hard times, like Charlie did, that I. would just sell out to like the highest. bidder and go, "Okay, well, you know. what? BB offered me a lot of money, so. I'm going to stop talking about this, and I'm no longer going to explore this. angle, or I'm going to, you know, to. repeat to you guys that it was. definitely Tyler Robinson." It's just.

not in my character. I have always been. the kind of person that knows that it's. not worth living life that way. You just. your my whole spirit would be corrupted. I just I couldn't do it. I I struggle. with people that can do it. I struggle. seeing people who have so obviously sold. sold their souls on the internet. It's. it's very frustrating to watch it. Central848 writes, "Candace, please look. into the possibility that Charlie was. electrocuted and that the hole in his. neck was made by the current passing. through his necklace and out of his.

throat. The images of his charred hands. are conclusive and compelling. Please, for love of God, look into this." I did. watch that video that Baron Coleman put. together. First of all, I want to say. Baron Coleman has done some incredible. work, and I actually told him that we. should get together and collaborate, because I had watched a video of his. where he was building on Camp Wa Chuka, and he made me notice some things, then. we started researching some other. elements. That's what we're going to. tomorrow. I can tell you definitively. that's a weird camera angle. They do. look charred in the photos that he. showed, but I can tell you that his. hands were not charred when he was.

buried. And so, what you thought that. like people were like, "Oh, this was. like makeup and stuff." It was a very. compelling theory, it just wasn't so, and I very much trust the person that. told me that. But that said, the Baron Coleman, if you. have not seen the episode where he. builds on what I said about Camp Wa. Chuka, that is worth a watch. He kind of. suggests in that episode, which I want. to shut down, he suggests that I think. he heavily suggests that it could have. been the. uh the V on that on the base. uh Vance on the base, and I did then.

research cuz I was like, "Oh, wow wow, was he right?" There's actually video of. Vance, so it could not have been Vance. in the base. Again, I'm getting ahead of. ourselves here. We should talk about. more of that tomorrow. But that is that. is a very compelling video that he did, which was fantastic work, and I do want. to collaborate with him. Maybe we'll do. it this week or next week. Or is next. week Christmas? I guess I don't know. We'll figure it out. Jenna writes, "Your true fans had no. doubts about you whatsoever. Merry. Christmas to you." I was like, "Are you. new here?" Gir- girl, I have been. maimed, fired, caricatured who I'm.

watching right now. My family go through that right now, because they are so desperate, and I. just think we're close to an awakening. and really understanding what real evil. is. So, we're going to keep pushing. Zachary Loft writes, "Longtime listener, first-time donor. Why wasn't the combo. live? Why is Brandon Tatum the only. creator that you follow on both IGs?". That was two questions. Okay, the first. thing, why wasn't the combo live? It was. first intended to be live. They did say. obviously, you saw the offer Blake Neff. made, which was not a true offer, but. then what came behind that was Erica. communicating with.

Megan Kelly and me. Megan Kelly was kind. of the intermediary. We were trying to. find someone that was fair, like I said. earlier, and then. obviously, it sort of felt like it got a. bit uglier the next week, and I sort of. felt, and I think it was fair, that then. she went on this press tour, and it was. kind of directed at me. So, then they. said, "Okay, well," and by that I mean. Justin Stripe kind of said, "The. temperature's a little hot right now. What's What about we do like an off Not. an off-record conversation, but have a. private conversation.". And I actually will say I wished it was.

live, but I will also say I am glad that. some parts weren't, because I was then. able to tell them some things that I. have not yet said that I wanted to like. fact-check and get some answers on, but. also to say something to them that I. found out that I didn't say, because I. didn't want to hurt the company in a. way, right? So, some of this is very. relevant to Charlie's research and what. happened on 9/10, and some of it is not. So, we got to I guess have a better that. portion of the conversation I think was. better off camera. But I was always open. and am still open to live-streaming with.

them whenever, truly. Like whenever. You. guys know I'm an open book, so it wasn't. it wasn't my demand that it be private. I was happy to do a live stream. But I think Justin thought that it would. be better if after, just so we could. kind of bring the temperature down, which I think was very much. accomplished. Temperature was definitely. brought down. Zachary Loft wrote, "Longtime listener for Oh, sorry, I just. read that. Mr. Bruce Lee writes, "People. in the chat, many other channels are not. hearing what they want to hear, so it's. automatically, 'Well, Candace got paid.'. There's The chats are so botted, it's. you it's it's better to actually look at.

comments after the episode to see what. people think. And we've had so many. people talk about how there are so many. bots in the chat, and so focus on. obviously the words that I am saying, and obviously, you can tell that I have. not been paid, because I wouldn't be talking about. Israel, and I think there's something to. explore there. We'll get into that tomorrow. One Will. Wallace writes, "Pretty clear to me that. Kirk was murdered because of his voice. and influence. Here's some support. toward that security detail." Thank you. very much. It's obvious that these. people will stop at nothing to silence.

someone. Continue to stand 10 toes down for the. truth, but please be careful. God bless. you, Candace." Thank you. That is. actually a tremendous donation. Thank. you for guys who have been giving these. donations, which have gotten bigger. because you're concerned about security, and I think everybody after Charlie. Kirk's assassination is more concerned. about security. It's a discussion that. my my husband and I are having more and. more, and that's why it feels especially. disgusting when someone like Tim Pool is. trying to signal to people. attack her. Like he's basically trying. to signal to people that her security's. weak, or like she's using the same.

security as Charlie. All of these things. like he is trying to put into the air. that he wants me to be attacked. That's. That's how I'm taking this, cuz why is. he making my security a theme on his. show? I I don't trust that at all, and I don't. know what's guiding that. Real Base. writes, "How would Erica and the feds. not see those messages?" That makes zero. sense to me. I think you're referring to. the messages that Charlie got the night. before. Yeah, she didn't We didn't discuss. whether the feds had received those. messages. I will say that. We did not. discuss that.

But we did discuss She obviously said. that she did not see those messages. Uh so, I'm going to read the rest of. your comment. "How would Erica and the. feds not see those messages? That makes. zero sense. Erica, Brian Harpole, and so. many others caught in these lies. This. is what you fished for. Why go soft? That doesn't make sense. Also heard that. we are chilling with TPUSA members at. Tucker's party." That's another more fan. fiction. I have no idea what that was. about. You're referring to a person who. went and said that Candace was hanging. out with TPUSA and Tucker and Marjorie.

Taylor Greene at Tucker's Christmas. party. To my knowledge, I did not see any. Turning Point USA employees. I did not. have a conversation with any Turning. Point USA employees. To my knowledge, that I did not see them. It was a. massive party. I've never had beef with. Tucker, that's why I was at his. Christmas party, and I've never had beef. with Marjorie Taylor Greene. So, yeah, I. spoke to them. I didn't That's what I. mean. It's like the attacks are just. every second of every day accusing me of. something, and the implication there was. like I was like sitting on the side. laughing and enjoying a beer with Carol.

Rothwell and Tyler Boyer. I am sure, because Tucker obviously has a good. relationship with them, that there were. some Turning Point USA employees. I didn't speak to them. I didn't speak to them, to my knowledge. I did not speak to them. So, I I said I. actually responded and I said to the. person, "Why don't you publish who you're. talking about?" You don't have to like. everyone's like beating around the bush. Like, "I can't say what I know about her. security." Say it. Because you're lying. Okay? If you say you know something. about how I'm actually secretly laughing. with Turning Point USA, speak plainly. I.

have nothing to hide. I I am not the. person who's playing any games right. now. So, if you're going to call me out, go all the way. Okay? Go max on calling. me out, because if I'm a fraud, the. public sure as hell deserves to know it. And you're not going to find me in a. situation like that. Uh Isabella Mazzone. writes, "Can you elaborate more about. Charlie and his journey to Catholicism? Did Erica confirm that I am going. through a journey with Catholicism as. well, and I think that they should be. honest about that.". Look, obviously Erica confirmed it. I.

was always telling the truth. And I was. That was one of the first things I said. I was like, "What was that weird Alex. Clark thing?" I I was being attacked for. no reason, and then I get these people. doubling down it, and I know that they. know that it's true that Charlie was. going to mass. And I I can't speak on whether he was. close to converting. That's a. conversation, like you said, Erica can. speak on that, and there might be a time. and a place for her to do that. I can. only speak on the fact that I wasn't. lying. And that I was having those. conversations with him while he was. attending mass. And I I do think, from.

what I've been told, that he was. planning on. signing up and starting that process, but I did not personally have that. conversation with him, so that's third. party. The right person. to speak about that would be Erica, and. I do I do think she should. I think she. should, because nobody was nastier to me. than the Judeo-Christians, the evangelical crowd, because I told. the truth about conversations that I. have with Charlie about Catholicism. And. none of them corrected the record. None. of them said, "I'm sorry." None of them.

said they know what I'm speaking about. They just kind of doubled and tripled. down on attacking me, which is a repeat. theme. I am always being attacked for. telling the truth, and I just keep. telling the truth. So, yeah. What's the lie? Where is the lie? Where is the lie? Lastly, uh Lamp writes, "How come Qatar. is always used as the go-to punching bag. by the media? Why does Qatar never even. push back, and Qatar seems to never. attack Israel in a war of aggression or. any sort of attack? Have they ever even. done negative anything negative toward.

Israel?" Well, you know, Qatar recently. came out and said, "Yeah, we work with. Hamas because Israel and the United. States asked us to. They asked us to. play the intermediary, and now we are. being attacked for doing what they asked. us to do," which sounds like the most. absolute United States-Israel thing. ever. Is to ask people to help you, and. then to be like, "I'm so horrified by what they're. doing." And I I tend to believe that. I. don't understand the weird Qatar thing. Like I said, I would take Qatari money. I would. They haven't called me. It's deeply upsetting. I don't.

understand what I'm doing wrong, what. I'm getting wrong, what I can do better. to make them call me. I would be totally. one of those people that's in the. commercials. Have you seen like Qatari. Airlines? It's supposed to be amazing, apparently. And I would I'd be in a commercial for. Qatari Airlines. I don't mind somebody. making that NAI video and maybe sending. that over to the Qatari Embassy and. seeing if they want to hire me. I'm I am. open to being paid by Qatar. So, I don't. I don't get it. I don't know why Jared. Kushner and Zionists are allowed to go.

to Qatar, which happened recently, and. do deals with them, but for some reason. Candace and Tucker are not. Ugh, >> [sighs]. >> it's just not fair. What do I have to do. to be seen by Qatar? I guess it's a. question for another day. We'll see you. guys tomorrow. >> [music].