DEBATE: Is Everything Antisemitism? | Candace Ep 19

all right guys welcome back so as. promised I told you that I had a very. long discussion with Rabbi barklay that. went much more viral than I had. anticipated Strangely I do like the guy. I think he's a little kooky but I think. he's honestly kooky and he lies a bit. but I don't know I guess he's at the age. where I just sort of go oh well just. kind of like just like a crazy old man. but anyways um I did previously have Ami. kak on and I think that he was just a. way more sensible voice on pro Israel. issues and I know that because he saw. these clips going viral.

and saw people pulling it out and. pretending that Rabbi barklay was the. voice for pro Israel of course he's. going to take offense to that because. who wouldn't when you feel like this. person doesn't actually represent your. beliefs and so I wanted to give Ami a. platform to kind of respond to that and. to say and ask anything that he wanted. to so welcome back on me right thank you. Candace um well he's not here to defend. himself so I'm just going to speak to a. couple of the issues I thought weren't. covered and just I think as you believe. you know conversation and dialogue is. the best I maintain that that's the best. way forward when these problems arise.

and you know I mean the last. conversation we had was called am I. anti-semitic and since then I mean. you're definitely anti a few semites you. know like just a few a few semites which. ones I'm just kid um but no what what. I'll say is in all seriousness I think. where I'm identifying the problem as. you're coming up and clashing with the. Jewish Community broadly let's say um is. that there is a difference. between what's going on in internally.

with you and what you feel in your own. heart and mind and I am not comfortable. telling anybody that they are something. inside internally that they claim not to. be I don't think that's appropriate I. think someone knows who they are and. what they are and what they feel so when. people label you an anti-semite you are. this naturally your uh your defenses go. up because you know inside what you are. what you feel that you have. relationships with Jews that you've had. um enriching relationship with Jews and. and Jewish people and no Hate in Your.

Heart when it comes to this but the. distinction I'm going to make is between. what you feel internally and what goes. on externally and my concern is to what. you've been doing and I think for a lot. of Jewish people uh but I'll speak for. myself here is that externally the. rhetoric the the types of things you've. been engaged in on Twitter the types of. language you're using this uh kind of. conspiratorial suggestive nature of. talking about issues um and we can get. into the spec specifics of that saying. things like what's really going on here.

this is what they want uh there's um um. Jewish there's Jewish gangs going on and. taking the actions of particular Jews. that you've had bad interactions with or. nefarious Jews in history and. extrapolating off of that and. generalizing off of that is emboldening. anti-Semitism broadly and adding to a. climate that's very disconcerting for. Jews and for me as and for me too to see. that and in a world post October 7th. when we've seen mobs of people on the. street supporting it and I know that's. not you and I know that's not Dave we. have had a discussion with but there are. people who do support it proudly and to.

see rises in anti-semitic incidences. have there been mistakes in the past. where we called that anti-Semitism where. it wasn't there yes but when we're. seeing it now for you to engage in this. kind of rhetoric repeatedly in a pattern. going on here whatever is going on. internally with you saying you're not. antiemetic and you don't have hostility. to juice I believe you but to call out. what's been going on externally and what. you've been engaged in to me is not us. trying or me trying to cancel you or. control you or doing any of those things. it's engaging with you and making you. aware of such things and in our last.

conversation there was a point you made. that I wanted to address we didn't get. to it but the idea of like Jews are. doing well you know this perception that. Jews are just doing well and we're. comfortable now if you take a snapshot. in history at right now like I will not. disagree that there's a lot of uh. prominent Jews and we've made a lot of. impact and made a lot of positive. contributions and are represented in a. lot of ways we're proud of that and uh. and the reasons for that are because of. um are very clear like because we in. terms of culture and what we what we. value there are things that you. advocated for during BLM and during bit.

two parent families and education and. scholarship and commitment to those. things that's accomplished that's that's. been very positive for our community and. so I I wonder why there's not more. admiration for that as much as it seems. like there's suspicion for that and I'll. just close by saying in this opening. part that that for us to engage with you. on this issue and to call your attention. to it is just to make you aware that. even though Jews you perceive as doing. well in this current moment the history. it it it reveals to me a certain lack of. awareness and ignorance to the history.

of repeated cyclical anti-Semitism that. Jewish people in the Jewish Community. has faced for decades 100 years. Millennia throughout history in every. society we've ever been in and to not be. aware of that or sensitive to that to. make you aware that you are contributing. to this climate um I think is important. and it's important to engage on that and. I curious to hear if that's something. that concerns you yeah no it doesn't. concern me at all really because I I. think it's just overblown I I mean I. don't know why anybody would be offended. to say that Jews are doing well in. America they are doing well in America I.

don't say that as a way to slack off and. say oh well I guess we should point the. finger and say that we should get. everything it's just a fact Asians are. also doing well I mean I've said that. plenty what about the conspiratorial. language like uh I I want to get to that. so that's the first thing is like I. don't I'm not going to apologize for. saying something that's abundantly true. and it's not it's literally abundantly. true you could go and look at statistics. that Jewish Americans are living really. well so I'm not going to pretend that. they're not uh to the second point about. you saying that I'm engaging in. conspiracy even something as simple as.

saying when you say they when did Jewish. people suddenly get the right to the. word they like that's even like when did. now they always means Jewish people. that's a like to me that is such a. leftist now we are taking this word and. it implies that every time you use this. English word that you've been using. since you could speak English this. automatically means that you're talking. about Jewish people and you need to be. extra sensitive every time you type out. this word because of October 7th I just. can't I just can't subject myself to. that so if there's a specific allegation.

regarding a conspiracy that you think. that I perpetuated I would like to. answer for it but I would like a you. know a specific allegation and not just. like you say they sometimes because they. is a word and I have a right to use it. yeah fair enough fair enough I I'm. talking about in specifically when. you're talking about a Jewish person. that you feel that you've clashed with. and then jump from that to say what's. really going on here and not focusing on. the action of individual of of. individual people but to say I'm just. going to say it like there's Jewish. gangs out there or I'm just going to say.

it like this pattern of focusing on you. know um you know no not a lot of people. know that in in Nazi Germany when they. were burning books the first Jewish. first book they burn was a Jewish. pedophile was that not something you. talked about on the show so I'm just. saying there in an isolated context of. of if we're having an academic. discussion about certain things in. history I can understand wanting to be. able to cover everything but you know. I'll give an example. like remember the incident you had with. Ted Lou where he deliberately took you. out context to make you look guilty of.

saying something you didn't say and I. thought that was Despicable like it was. so obvious that what he was doing at the. time but I think sometimes what you're. doing perhaps inadvertently is in. resenting being taken out of context to. make yourself look guilty you take. yourself out of context to make yourself. look innocent and but I don't take. myself out of context I I say an entire. episode of what I want to say very. plainly and then I'm taking out of. context because I think that after. October 7th a lot of people have grown. hysterical and they're looking for every. time you talk about a Jewish person case. in point obious obviously rather.

notoriously when Andrew claven and you. just referenced it talking about Magnus. herfeld and his Institute being burned. to the ground you know this Jewish. pervert happened to be Jewish pervert. out of context meaning that you stripped. that I mentioned four Christians in that. exact same monologue four Christians. that I I was talking about psychology. and the fact that it was created by a. lot of perverts and I talked about four. Christians before I got to Magnus. herfeld how do you just completely strip. that out and pretend that this was a. monologue about Jewish people actually. what's really happening is that you are.

defending Jewish people because every. time you hear a Jewish name you think. that you somehow have a right to um you. know defend it and to the second point. and I'm tell you what really bothers me. about this when you say you're talking. about Jewish gangs Jewish gangs have. always existed in America so I don't. know why this is like suddenly something. that we're going you can't say that. there could plausibly be a Jewish gang. yeah you know who else has always. existed black gangs I talked about it. regularly all throughout BLM talked. about gangs I talked about black gang. violence the entire time today on my. show I was talking about Lil RT and how. he's going to end up in prison but for.

some reason Jewish people think that. they're just like in a special category. where you're just not allowed to ever. allege that they were in gangs even. though there's non-stop evidence in. American history that Jewish gangs did. exist and they had a ton of power you. know you can go back to Prohibition you. can go back to the Jewish gangs that you. know were quite literally the Jewish. Defense League that were putting bombs. under people's cars so to say that you. can't imply and it wasn't even me who. implied by the way I was actually going. back historically and talking about what. Michael Jackson was was implying as I.

was reading Diddy dos and saying that we. keep hearing this allegation that's. being made in Hollywood to say that you. don't have a right to even imply there's. a Jewish gang it's just a nonsense if I. have a right to imply there are black. gangs and talk about black gangs I. certainly have a right to say that there. are Jewish gangs and imply that there. could be a Jewish gang I'm not saying. you don't have a right or a legal right. to say these things but I'm just in. terms of a pattern of things and an. inference of things and assuming. something you know one of the things. that you were a student pointing out. during BLM right was that what was theun. fundal flaw there okay it's.

that uh they were assuming that because. of an incident with a white police. officer um and uh and someone on a black. individual and uh something took place. or somebody was killed that must mean. that there is a systemic problem of. white racism targeting black people in. the United States and you and you spoke. out against that and so the. generalization taking single incidences. and assuming there's something bigger or. grander going on is seems to me what. you're doing with the Jewish Community. when you take certain instances that.

have happened historically or whatever. and jumping to these conclusions in the. way you're engaging I didn't jump to a. conclusion that episode was me quite. literally reading through the Diddy. docks and the allegations that were made. in the lawsuit and then a a Tik tocker. did an entire video talking about how. these were the same allegations that. were made by Michael Jackson and he. didn't do that to create a conspiracy it. was quite literally the person that was. involved in the Diddy lawsuit was the. person that was there when Michael. Jackson died so there was a direct tie. so again you say I take myself out of. context you're taking me out of context.

I wasn't like here's an episode where I. think that Jews are conspiring to. control Hollywood and again like I said. if the feedback from these individuals. during what time of BLM was Candace you. can't talk about black people conspiring. to commit crimes in gangs that are. rising up because of BLM because slavery. existed and this isn't a racism then I'd. say okay fine Fair bait but it feels. exceptional to me that the same people. who applauded me for this exact same. rhetoric and I'm going to give you an. example here d uh David Haro at David. harit of the harit Freedom Center he's a.

despicable human being how dare you give. me a a literal award an award and say. you are so brave for tackling BLM and. talking about all of the ills of black. lives matter and talking about how we're. using this one issue and they're. destroying communities and they're doing. all of that and then when I say oh wow. look at this issue going on post October. 7th you suddenly go no you're an. anti-semite of the week and you deserve. to have your entire life um destroyed I. just I don't accept Jewish Supremacy and. that's what it sounds like to me when.

you have individuals who didn't care. when I said the exact same thing who. still don't care as I still cover black. American issues like sexy red and cardi. B and talk about how their Fame is. completely fake and that there's some. system that allows this Fame to float to. the top and yet you're so sensitive if. it has to do with a Jewish person also. white people the people that get the. most coverage on my show are are white. people I'm constantly pointing to what's. happening and their Tik Tok Trends and. what they're doing and they're not. offended so it actually to me is like. snowflake culture that's gone RIT large.

in the Jewish community and they're just. calling everything anti-Semitism like. black Americans called Everything racism. in 2020 and I'm consistent I find it. boring and I'm not going to be like. persuaded against to talking about these. topics because there's a Jewish. sensitivity so this is a great. conversation I mean Amy and I are just. talking purely you know what I. appreciate a brand that is not afraid to. Stand By Me as I do that a brand that. allows me a platform to speak freely. about the most important issues that we. are facing as a country that's why I'm. so happy to say peer talk is still my. Wireless company if you haven't made the.

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about groups and using Jew like like. using the the identity as Paramount as. that as if that's relevant in any way to. the co to the stories you're covering. but I didn't say I didn't say it was. relevant that's what I'm saying I never. said that it was relevant that Magnus. herfeld was a Jew no more than I said. that the four other people that I had. mentioned before I got to Magnus herfeld. Sigman Freud was also in that segment. he's he happens to be Jewish but no I. also didn't say that their that their. their Judaism was the reason for this or. they if you view it as a race that.

because they're racially Jewish that. this was the reason for this I never. connected that dot I simply said their. names and Jewish people got offended. they just can't they just cannot handle. that there could have been a Jewish. pervert that existed and had a weird sex. Institute and he wasn't pervert I'm. sorry magnet chall is a pervert I find. it weird and extraordinary that someone. would race to defend a pervert like if. someone was like hey here's a black. pedophile I'm not like how dare you talk. about this black pedophile we're going. to defend this black pedophile how dare. you talk about this at all I I find that.

to be quite bizarre like you don't. you're actually not required because. you're a Jewish person and this guy. happens to be Jewish to defend him. Magnus hsel because he has nothing to do. with right but if you went on to say in. every in in several pattern of episodes. in which every time you said I'm not I'm. just asking questions it's a black. pedophile I don't know what's going on. with black people but something's going. on here and then when black people got. offended you would say why can't I like. making it part of the narrative is. what's very you don't have several.

episodes where I said I'm not going to. that's just you kind of saying that. right now you gave us a specific example. about Magnus held and I told you this. was an episode where I was talking about. psychology and I had listed four. Christians in that exact same monologue. no no Christians no Christians were outr. because no Christians no Christians are. snowflakes right so they weren't like. why is Candice pointing out what the. Christians are that there were Christian. perverts in the past and yet the Jewish. Community post October 7th has gotten a. little snowflakey everybody can see that. even speaking to your point by the way.

and I'm sorry to cut you off here. because this kind of even proves it. further when we first began that. conversation with Dave Smith and you. were talking about these people online. that are that hate Jews you know these. these Anonymous accounts and I had a. Jewish friend who had messaged me and. asked me can you publicly disavow these. people that are saying bad stuff about. Jews what an absurd notion every welcome. to the internet every time I've logged. on since I've said I was anti BLM I'm. being called a I'm being called an. nword I'm being called an a N word and. I've never reached out to my Jewish.

friends and said hey could you do me a. favor and disavow these random accounts. on the Internet it's like grow up I'm. sorry if you need if you if this is too. much for you to handle on Twitter log. off you're adults this is how the. internet works have you even played the. stupid game the boys like to play have. you ever read that chat on um what is it. what is it called um uh not Grand Theft. Auto I don't know what are I think it's. Grand Theft Auto or one of the ones. where yes there's atro things October 7. like where is everybody going to defend. us from these Anonymous trolls online.

I'm like goodbye I'm sorry I'm 35 years. old if we need your hand held because. there's Anonymous accounts that are. saying mean up to you on the internet. then you got to log off you just got to. log off and you shouldn't be in politics. at all you really shouldn't you're too. soft to be in politics can I ask I I. didn't bring this up in the last. conversation because I think it just. would have distracted from the issue. that we were discussing but something a. clear example of this that I'd say. raises legitimate concerns so and I saw. you talk about this with Pierce Morgan. too when he brought up Kanye West and. those remarks okay so I know you're. bored of the subject but just for the. sake of Cl.

um what Kanye West said I'm going Defcon. 3 on Jewish people nothing to do with. Israel nothing to do with policies at. def country on Jewish people and you. admitted I think in videos after that. from what I've seen and it could be. stuff I haven't seen but from what I've. seen you admitted I fumbled on that a. little bit and I could have been more. clear um the the amount of does it. concern you or you can see why it. concerns us that while you may have had. a lot of information going on behind the. scenes that may have clouded your. judgment on how to respond to that um I. would simply say first of all you can.

have a personal relationship with. somebody and a friendship with someone. and care about them and not condemn and. not condone what they say in other words. so the inability to make that separation. like this is clearly not anti-semitic if. you're thinking about this I mean it. clearly was and does it see does it. concern you and you see how it concerns. us that M many millions of people lots. and lots and lots of people responded. positively to that and when we see. things like Kanye speaks truth or he's. on to something and then his subsequent. after that going on Alex Jones and.

talking the way SP speaking the way he. spoke about Jews and for that to be. received the way it is it it it's very. very very unsettling for us can you see. that and I've mult I've multiple times. said like you just admitted that I. understand how people were perceiving. this 100% that that Candice it seems. like she's not saying enough or she's. not being defensive enough and I also. did an episode saying I can understand. how my friends like Dennis Prager and. Marissa straight may have read that but.

also and this again gets into the. conversation that we just had when. you're sitting with your friend and. they're receiving text messages from. someone that's threatening to take their. children and Drug them and they snap. like you can be also understanding to. that and obviously I had assumed he. would tell that to the public sooner. than he had told them so yeah did I. perfectly deal with that situation with. one of the most famous people in the. world who I happen to be friends with. and knowing what he was going through. not just from one person who happens to.

be Jewish Harley pastorick but also. multiple people who were doing those. things to him it's just it's it was an. imperfect situation it was almost an. impossible situation and I've owned that. I've said listen I totally get how you. perceived that and I am sorry that you. felt that way I I dealt I I dealt with. the hand you know and people said I'll. never listen to you again for it you. know I've taken my punishment for it and. I'm you know but but to call it a. perception when so clearly it was very. clear what he said was so.

anti-semitic unapologetically he was not. talking about when he specifically wrote. that tweet he was talking about Jewish. people in his life who he felt were. messing with him and I could give you. more I more Nam Pastor Nick okay but the. point is that like to then so you're. you're just saying well no he meant all. he didn't he actually didn't which is. the reason why as I was going through. the situation I was hoping he would be. more understanding and as people rightly. pointed out he then went on Piers Morgan. and clarified instantly that he didn't. mean all Jewish people and so and I said.

I lovey it that was weeks later so. you're talking you can only hold me a. account to to like what you're talking. about my resp based on what you just. said yeah you're talking about my. instant response to the Defcon 3 tweet. that was the only statement that I had. made which was immediately after that. there was stuff going on in his personal. life that had inspired those tweets but. now to kind of hold a mirror up to you. and this is what I said to Piers Morgan. like your re the Jewish Community. reaction to that very strong cancel. Kanye he lost his entire life his. marriage fell apart you know he should.

never have a record deal a stadium ever. again and then you're but you're so. forgiving when BB Netanyahu goes a. literal deaf con three on Palestinians. people are so forgiving when Rabbi schi. harasses me for two years openly I. didn't see if where is the response. where is the cancel Rabbi schmi get him. out of here he's awful it's just not the. same treatment for whatever reason har. Pastor Nick's text message to Kanye okay. he should never be welcomed in polite.

Society ever again that that is how. demonic it was way worse than what Kanye. tweeted about going de Con 3 on Jewish. people you're talking about going after. someone's kids and drugging them okay. that's a real threat not something that. you're going what does this mean and I'm. kind of panicking that's a real threat. nobody cared it was a blip in the. headlines so that is the reason why. people at this time then will say okay. why does it seem that Jewish people are. able to get away with more you have a. black man who did something it was wrong. he got hit down you know you you you.

have a Jewish person they are just. feeling so comfortable like Rabbi schie. he's like I can do a two-year open. harassment campaign no one's going to. touch me what is that if we can't call. that Jewish Supremacy what can we call. it um okay so first of all the comments. that Kanye made on their own you knowing. all that information is is irrelevant to. the fact that what he said was. inflamatory anti the rest of his tweet. everyone always has def Con 3 on some. Jewish people but what was the other. half of Kanye's tweet on Jewish people. yeah but but he went what was the other. half of con tweet you tell me yeah.

exactly the other half of his tweet he. said that had been that had been messing. with him for too long he didn't just say. I'm going Defcon 3 on Jewish people and. tweet it's all everyone talks about he. didn't name individuals yeah but it was. very clear that he was talking about. something that was going you could have. guessed there was more here there was. more here because he said who have been. messing with me for too long okay right. but then as as you look as you agreed. weeks later he went on to Alex Jones and. these things and said I love Hitler and. just doubled down on the. anti-semitism 100 I'm not you're not. account exactly because what you're what.

you're asking me is you're saying. Candace your initial response when he. said this tweet this is this is what. people have tried to hang me out like. this was an example of antisemitism was. that you said hold on here like he's not. going to go blow up Israel okay he's not. going to war with Jewish people let's. just hang on and allow him to explain. this that's literally all I said and. there was like a cancel Candace campaign. that like that is what started rabbi's. non-stop harassment of me like me saying. let's hang on and hear what else he has. to say like that was the greatest. example of anti-Semitism that people.

could ever pull of Candace ens and I'm. like well if that's your greatest. example like you're not sounding like. you're not exactly presenting very. strong evidence that I'm anti-semitic. especially because I have owned that in. the moment again me having too much. information did I fumble the ball I wish. I could have said more but that it was. it wasn't my place to say what he was. going through personally and again it is. annoying that people always cut his. tweet in half because he said more that. would let people know that he didn't. mean all Jews in the world you know. yeah did the rest of the tweets say that.

no I don't mean all Jews I mean two. specific Jews okay um what's interesting. is from my perspective just so you can. understand it's like from my perspective. Jews are one of the few people you can. say you know it's it's there's two. different thing uh people are watching. two different screens here Candace it's. like you're saying Jews are supremacists. and you can't say anything about them. and I'm saying Jews are one of the few. people you can say and probably white. people too generally speaking and it. gets bundled into that as far as the. left is concerned you can say whatever. you want about and pretty much get away. with it do you think if Kanye dropped an. album tomorrow it would do well well he.

dropped an album and it went to number. one right well that's because black. Americans think that would happen to him. was wrong you know so it's his it's his. own culture I I don't think Jewish. Americans were the number one buyers if. that's what you're asking me and so he. well not Jewish Americans but he was. able to get away with it well talking. talking he's no longer a billionaire. right I mean he they took away his. Adidas deal and I listen I don't I'm not. here I'm not here to litigate whether or. not Kanye deserved it I'm here only to. defend what I actually said and how. taken how extraordinarily blown up it.

was as if I had actually sent the tweet. that he said and yes the rest of his. tweet was the funny thing is I actually. can't be anti-semitic because black. people are also Jews are actually Jews. also pardon you guys have toyed with me. and you've tried to black ball anyone. whoever opposes your agenda that was his. tweet that he wrote that doesn't help I. don't think that helps well you guys. have toyed with me like I I I I would. just imagine that when he said and also. the beginning of a tweet I'm a bit.

he W I'm ask think Kanye woke up he was. Jewish people or did you think that he. was going to go after certain Jewish. people did you think Jews were going to. try to kill you the ones who were. canceling you and I I literally never. said that the guy the people who were. canceling me were going to kill me what. are you talking about I I I think in we. don't have to name names but in like. your whole beef with are you trying to. kill me what are you going to kill me I. said well I said what's next I said. you've already done this you've already. said this like literally what's next and. and that was very tongue-and-cheek like.

I didn't think Rabbi was going to hunt. down and come kill me it was tongue and-. cheek as if like you've thrown. everything at the wall here like what is. actually next can I ask you another. question as uh just this like a personal. question um because you said this album. went to number one certainly not with. the Jewish Community but with the black. community who who sympathized with what. Kanye was saying like growing up like. did you were there was there a lot of. anti-white racism you came up against in. the black community growing up like. against white people I it's personal. question just what I what I that I came.

up against like as as a black person. just like witnessing it in the community. in in in your experience growing up in. my experience a lot of anti racis and. things have since gotten worse which is. quite weird to me and it's something. that I think I've been trying to. understand and I think a lot of it has. to do with politics and it has to do. with sensitivities that are being. perpetuated really in the media like. people are being propagandized into. believing that they should see each. other as other but I feel like I always. say the '90s was like the golden decade. like everyone was like cool we all.

laughed at each other made fun of each. other for our differences like you could. throw a Jewish joke throw a black joke. and we laughed and then I would say. maybe since Barack Obama became. president around that time I'm not. trying to pin the blame on him things. have definitely dramatically shifted and. people have gotten very race relations. generally you mean race relations. generally generally people got along. growing up right um okay and I'm and I'm. I'm curious as far as. uh with regarding the subject of of. anti-semitism generally I I think this a.

whole notion that you keep bringing back. to of Jewish Supremacy which is. interesting to me. um Jews don't want to be held to a. different standard than everybody else. in terms of criticism we just want to be. held to the same standard that's I'm. speaking for myself seeing it as being. held to the same standard as far as. criticism and like you said Kanye's. album went to number one so therefore I. don't know if the social consequences of. saying certain things and listen Free. Speech Free Speech uh even hate speech. can be protected speech. that makes you free from legal.

consequences but it doesn't make you. free from any consequences when you say. certain things so to conflate the two I. think has been a mistake in this. conversation about free speech and my my. larger point was that um in terms of. Supremacy which is such a loaded. word um first of all yeah I don't think. anybody's inherent Identity or immutable. characteristic makes them better than. anyone else so I agree with you about. equality that we're all equal under the. law and uh whoever were born to and. whatever whatever group we belong to.

doesn't make us better or worse than. anyone else but culture and practice and. ritual we all make kinds of different. decisions and value judgments for examp. that we and we everyone has sort of the. the the groups they're close to that. that we all and communities we come from. and we take pride in those things so for. for for for example do you think you. your your whole contention is like Jews. think they're above scrutiny and better. than everybody else I would never I. would never make that statement cu. that's a very broad statement but like I.

said Rabbi barklay is obviously a Jewish. supremacist I mean that's like so. obvious to me that he's a Jew. supremacist all right I don't want to. speak for him but my point to you is. like you know chist do you think. Christianity or or or Christ and. Christians who follow is better than uh. other religions yeah that's why I'm a. Christian I I think that I I think so. would that make you a Christian. supremacist you're talk Jews view. themselves a lot of Jews view themselves. as a Race So I mean Christianity Jews is. multi-racial multi-racial that honestly. that's the first time I've heard that. because if you ask other people that are.

pro-israel they'll say that they view. Jew Jew as a race like if you ask them. what they raal as a people yeah so. that's a bit confusing right so I don't. know if I don't know if who I'm who it. depends on who I'm speaking to some. people say to be a Jew is to be that you. racially identify as a Jew other people. say you know we are different than white. people obviously even though we're from. Eastern Europe we are our own race hence. the entire reason like that many of them. whatever it's very confusing but to. answer to to answer your point. you know Christian Christianity is a.

Doctrine and I believe that if you know. Christian if if Christianity was spread. about the world there you would see you. would see a better world that that is my. belief but it's not a race right so it's. like there's nothing that's barring. anybody else from having a Christian. perspective you can be a Christian. tomorrow racial Supremacy is a immutable. characteristic and it I think if you. even Googled it I think it is now. officially like Judy Judaism is a race. it's considered like Jew is a race it's. it don't set apart from other races they. don't consider themselves white do you.

consider yourself. white um anti-semites don't consider. from the from like the Nazi regime were. the ones who really de delved into this. whole idea of Jews being a race by Blood. and therefore there's a racial component. to being Jewish but there are black Jews. there are white Jews Hispanic Jews. multi-racial multiethnic that are all. Jews so just to dispel the notion. narrowly that Jews is race we also. people can convert to Judaism as you. mentioned and therefore you can't change. your race but you can't so Rabbi w. a man I really admire um who who phrased.

it this way that to be Jewish is to be. part of a Jewish Family that you come. from a peoplehood from a culture and. there's nothing wrong with Jews feeling. to me like they're mission mission. driven to uh to have a certain role in. the world to me that's that's okay just. like you are mission driven as an. individual and as a Christian to feel. that you have a role in the world to. play and part of the Jewish role that we. believe is in terms of bringing. godliness to into the world like these. are values that I would think you would. also uh Stand By and AD vate for and. everybody in other words the fact that.

you think Christianity should everyone. should be like it doesn't bother me that. you believe that in in a world that we. can respect each other's differences and. we have uh and we are a tolerant Society. like you can believe that and as long as. you're not forcing me to do anything. like I think that's great and I can. believe I think everyone should be. conserv digity and I believe everyone. should be a conservative a free market. capitalist here are my reasons why but. there are better ideas so there's. there's supremacists in terms of the. word Supremacy is what I'm really. objecting to you when you use that word. because it is such a loaded term in. terms of it's I think it's just a.

misnomer for the situation to believe. that you have a role to play that you're. proud of coming from a common culture. and a common people that has contributed. in a lot of ways and even Christianity. and Judaism have a shared history and. that's a beautiful thing so I I just. don't I I reject that use of that. language I don't think it's helpful and. I think it's it's uh I think people just. should you supremacist right so it's. like it's like saying like I reject the. idea are there white supremacist yes are. the majority of people white. supremacists no is there are there. supremacist yes we saw that a lot during.

BLM especially they were making demands. that were absolutely insane and there. was a lower value placed on white life. uh does every white is every black. person a black supremacist no but you. have to call it out when you see it. right. this you don't have the courage to call. it out and unfortunately I think any. person objectively listening to the. conversation between me and Rabbi. barklay would reasonably acknowledge. that he is a supremacist now I don't. find that to be problematic because what. he says does not become law you know. what I mean it's not like he says this. and suddenly it's law and his.

perspective no and because I know that. the majority of my Jewish friends don't. think like that so that's why I I clown. on him even harder because it's like you. do you are actually not representative. of the Jewish Community you're you kind. of lost the plot no no more than Rabbi. schmi as representative of the Jewish. Community I went after these people not. because they were representative of the. Jewish Community but because they were. attacking me they were that was it that. was the only reason and which is why I. but I want to yeah on the sorry to cut. you off on the on the Barkley convers. ation there was one moment that came up. that I think really needs clarification.

and it was your discussion on the. definition of anti-semitism and I know. you objected to this idea that oh I. guess it could just be anything anything. I say and you see a lot of Bad actors on. Twitter and on online talking about how. I guess just speaking truth is. anti-Semitic which is such a like there. is a catch 22 as I mentioned earlier. about when somebody says something. incendiary and you call it out as. anti-semitic all of a sudden that feeds. into the notion that Jews are are. somehow controlling speech but the point. is the definition of anti-semitism. doesn't change. there it is always fixed as this as the.

call it what you want Jew hatred hating. Jews and being hostile to Jews wishing. them harm we we we understand each other. anti-Semitism means that well no it. doesn't mean an semitism is an is does. not just imply Jews right it's. anti-semitic to say things against. Palestinians as well antiemetic to say. thing against. artics Cent ver in the current. vernacular when we say anti-Semitism. we're talking about Jews but for the. sake of argument Jew hatred let's call. it Jew hatred okay um because yes there. Semitic peoples and uh academically it's.

understood that there are different. Semitic peoples in today's current. language in the vernacular when we talk. about anti-Semitism we're talking about. Jews but let's just say Jew hatred for. the sake of uh for the sake of argument. and for the conversation it's not that. the definition of Jew hatred changes and. evolves and is a shape-shifting. shape-shifting definition the it's the. reasons and causes of anti-Semitism. change throughout time there are so many. different sources of it throughout. history of hatred towards Jews whether. it's. theological um in the early days of uh. of Crusades or Islamic um having to do.

with hostility towards Jews there's a. theological component to it economic and. social and racial as we see from Nazi. Germany deeming Jews as this other race. this dirty race polluting our people and. we need to cleanse our society of these. dirty Jews um and uh this this notion. that some of the narratives you hear on. the far right that Jews are somehow. co-opting this anti this sort of uh. they're controlling our government. they're cabals they're behind the scenes. the leftwing anti-Semitism which is that. the Jews are the capitalists and the. exploiters and whenever we see wealth. and power we presume it must be.

exploitative and who's at the top of the. wealth and power and who has all that. it's the. Jews is so it just comes from different. places. but there are definitively people that. hate Jews there's no question about that. there's obviously I just want to clarify. what that means and the problem I think. is that too many people are being thrown. into this Camp of people who hate Jews. and it's just it's just not real like. I'm just I'm not afraid to offend a Jew. that's that's that whatever that is. whatever word you got to give that I'm. not afraid to call out Jewish people. when they're Behaving Badly okay and and.

that is offensive to some people who. think that there's some special category. doesn't exist in my head or anywhere. else so they just get offended when I. say this was a bad person who was Jewish. so let me ask you a question what have. Jewish people done. bad in human. history what have Jewish people done bad. as a whole yeah because and and don't. say like you can't say as a whole. because you just we just had a whole. conversation about like you know. Palestinians we can say blah blah blah. blah so and I'm not saying this in a way. as like we need to assign Collective.

guilt I'm just saying have Jewish people. ever done anything bad throughout human. history Jewish individuals certainly. have done bad things you cannot ascribe. malice to entire groups of people that's. racist okay so you you would agree then. that saying like the Germans is not the. right thing to do the Palestinians this. would equally be as wrong to say the the. Germans the Palestinians any sort of. that rhetoric would be completely wrong. based on your it's it's low yeah and. it's low resolution it's low resolution. if we're being specific and precise in.

our speech you know how I feel about. Jordan Pon precise you know being. precise in our speech we are talking. about the Nazi regime of Germany we're. not talking about the Germans that. brought pianos over to the United States. not the same people okay because a lot. of times you will see that they're very. comfortable kind of assigning Collective. guilt when you go backwards and you're. like this was done to the Jews by these. people and these people and these people. and I'm like okay but then suddenly like. let get real specific if you're talking. about a bad Jewish individual yes of. course and so but you can historically. Trace anti long if Jewish people would.

stop defending bad Jewish individuals it. would go a very long way that's why I. say it's like Beyond Bonkers to me that. someone would defend Magnus herfeld like. what is the purpose of that like. literally why do have to defend this. weird pervert we're some of the most. self-critical self-reflective people we. argue all the time we call out people. amongst ourselves and I I agree with you. about not having tribal allegiances and. looking past morality and decency. because of any sort of blind tribal. Allegiance we have to avoid that just. like I wouldn't ascribe Collective guilt.

um as and group identity as Paramount. above all things if someone says like oh. there could be a Jewish gang you're not. in it so who cares there could be a. black gang on the south side of Chicago. I'm not going to be like well don't be. careful be careful when you're talking. about Knight and the things he did in. the be careful I'm just like yeah. there's definitely Jewish gangs there's. definitely black gangs there's Hispanic. gangs and I don't need to be all. sensitive about it because I'm not in. them that's it and I think if you guys. employed that persp persective of not. having to defend the plausibility of a.

bad person who you it would go a very. long way just don't defend bad Jewish. people because you're not them it's not. Collective right but the the context of. what we're saying matters too so I would. say that obviously any Jewish individual. who does a Bad Thing should be condemned. but if you were in a context of uh if. you were in the south in the KKK South. at one point and started profiling um. black individuals who were bad but you. continued to do it and it's not like. you're their individual Behavior but you. were surrounded in a way by a culture or.

something that used it as red meat who. do have nefarious intentions towards. innocent African-Americans to simply be. mindful of that that that is out there. and be sensitive to that that your words. could inadvertently be used to provide. and it's I'm not saying that you're. doing that intentionally and that's not. what's in your heart and that's not what. your intentions are but for us as a. community that's experiencing it and. seeing it uh to be mindful of that is. okay I mean not everything that's that. can be said is is necessarily. relevant and should be said just because.

it it could be something true just it's. it's okay to be mindful of the. communities around that are going. through certain things and I don't think. it compromises your ability to freely. express yourself or uh or or or speak. the truth as you see it us to engage. with you and let you know that this. stuff is out there and brewing and there. is a dee rooted cyclical history of this. even though in a snapshot In This Moment. there's certainly a lot of comfortable. Jews doing doing okay you know youve in. the last episode I was moved by the fact. that you told me about and you've spoken. about your uh grandfather who was an. extremely influential figure in your. life right my parents grew up on both.

sides and they didn't have grandparents. and none of their friends in their. Community had grandparents they were all. dead they were all gone they were all. wiped out and one of the ways that that. happened if you look at it uh. historically in Germany leading up to. the Holocaust and trying to figure out. what exactly happened was a lot of. propaganda and rhetoric over time as. Jordan Peterson has said things get bad. one small step at a time and it's true. that incrementally with time building. suspicion creating a sense that uh Jews.

are above this and this and this there's. some special class it can feed into. something really really dangerous really. nasty really incendiary that I know you. don't intend to do and I know you care a. lot about the Jewish people in your life. so making you aware of those things is. all I'm trying to do yeah and I think. that's totally fair you know I think if. there's any chip on my shoulder. obviously it's because like you just. watched me take on the entire black. community over George Floyd and people. were saying the same stuff you know. don't talk about the fact that he was a. drug dealer don't talk about the fact. because there's all this history in. Black America and all this stuff and.

police brutality and I'm like guys the. truth is the truth so it is my. personality and I hope that people. acknowledge that that okay actually no. for seven years she's been going out her. own community over BLM so this is like. not as especially because it's Jewish. people that she's doing this I just. don't like bad faith actors and. sometimes those bad faith actors happen. to be Jewish and if you're reading a. document that person's Jewish or if. you're reading into history and you're. talking about psychology and by the way. a lot of you know those early. psychologists were perverts that's just. a fact you know and some of them were.

Jewish you know and maybe for people. that makes them uncomfortable but it's. like guys just call it out because. actually that that dilutes the. conspiracy I think the conspiracy. actually thrives when Jewish people. defend a pervert I think that's not a. good thing I think that makes them go. whoa my God why are they defending this. weird perv like is there some conspiracy. whereas there's no conspiracy when. you're like yeah no that guy's a perv he. has nothing to do with Jewish people and. we're not tribal with per s and. pedophiles like that goes a very long. way like Sigman Freud was defending.

pedophiles like it's like let's not. defend Sig let's not defend Sig Freud's. actions on that just because he's you. know racially a Galician Jew you know. sub subjects aside I think trust from. the vehicle that information is coming. from is super important and building. that trust and establishing that trust. um matters and that's why I think you're. getting the backlash and you are. connecting it to what was happening to. you during the BLM uh bit campaign that. they're someone that's trying to strip. you of your blackness and your. legitimacy as a person to comment on.

these issues and all you're doing is. kind of speaking the truth and I can see. why you're connecting those dots at the. first the first thing I open with in our. last episode was that it's true that. calling out uh racism or anti-Semitism. where it doesn't exist is unproductive. thing to do and then you don't see the. real anti-Semitism where it does exist. and that's what I'm drawing here is. highlighting the fact that I've seen as. someone who pre October. 7th was was was uh did agree that you. know charlottesv happen but it's those. guys and it's marginal and it's not. something we have to be super concerned. about and there was a derangement there.

and a hysteria under Trump that I always. downplayed as well even as the. grandchild of Holocaust Survivors but. when Israel for example the only Jewish. state in the world the only Jewish state. 50 plus Muslim states there's Christian. countries other countries with ethnic. characters to it but the only Jewish. gets attacked in the way that it did and. to see mobs of people supporting it. cheering for it more more more and to. see criticism and not any sort of. sympathy um at first in some sort of. broad way to not see that or deceased. like the first reactions to not be um.

sympathetic in some way was just so. rattling and it did change my. perspective in that okay it's not the. right-wing anti Summits at first I'm. really worried about they're marginal. and the worst ideas of the right I think. you'd agree on this are not ascendant in. society you don't see Nazi KKK shows on. Disney plus we just don't see that the. worst ideas of the left to me have been. on the ascent from the academy they're. everywhere Corporate America um you know. children's programming it's everywhere. the worst ideas of that and viewing. people in groups groups and hierarchies. and group identity politics and all that.

stuff but after seeing that the the. anti-Semitism of the left come out and. then I'm starting to see this new sort. of really like troubling thing happening. on the far right and I know like. Twitter's an ugly place but I want to. just like talk to you and because you. have such a huge platform and such. impact and I know you want to be. consistent and I appreciate you always. being open to the dialogue of it that's. my role here to try to convey that how. that's being perceived and I know that. your in perception by the way because I. I've heard this as well and I've tried. to make people understand it especially.

from the UK because they're saying this. too like the conservative right seems to. be kind of changing on Jews and I had to. clarify for them no actually you are. seeing a sentiment that's changing. against Israel and the reason for that. has that got absolutely nothing to do. with Jews let me tell you if October 7th. happened in boka Rattan you there would. not have been a question of un. unfettered allegiance to what was going. on with Jews in America Israel is a. different equation and that conversation. is starting to shift because a we see. that as a foreign country B people are.

starting to call into question a lot of. things BB Netanyahu has said that to me. to hear a foreign leader speak about. America as if he controls it makes me. uncomfortable and then the third thing. is Apac ADL shoving through laws through. Congress John green black getting caught. you know if you want to talk about Not. Giving into Jewish conspiracies John. green black getting caught on the ADL on. the hot mic talking about how he's going. to we got to get rid of Tik Tok and then. tomorrow it gets passed through Congress. isn't good you know we want separation. we don't want Israel in any capacity.

controlling our speech the anti-Semitism. bill was absolutely horrific and it. caused a reaction that wasn't against. Jewish people that was against foreign a. foreign country having influence on. American politics and I think because. it's all happening at the same time it. can be hard to dilute that and go okay. actually this isn't about Jewish people. they really just don't like what Israel. is doing and the impact that APAC and. ADL is having for specific reasons. and we can disagree on that but what we. should agree on is that actually has.

nothing like I'm Free Speech more speech. I'm you're going to make en if you're. caught on a hot mic like BB Netanyahu. was saying that if you criticize Israel. we're getting laws passed in America if. you criticize Israel it's going to be a. problem in your life that's gangster. talk don't care what his religion is. don't care what he thinks his race is. you got to now get out of my my of get. out of American pockets that's my view. on BB Netanyahu which I think a lot of. conservative Americans feel as well. taking a brief break here to inform you.

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pre-born. docomond that's preborn. doomis right do do you find it. interesting or does it spark your. curiosity at all as to why when Israel. is involved in a conflict or defending. itself or in any sort of armed uh uh war. or whatever that it animates the world. in in no other way than Israel like it's. like there's so many different things. going on and suffering going on around. the world and innocent people and. Muslims being slaughtered in Syria by. Assad and all these things and people. don't storm the streets but for some.

reason with Israel people get crazy does. it does it are you suspicious of that. and so what what's going on there why. people get so crazy because the media. covers it and this kind of gets to what. I was speaking to with peers if you go. talk to the average person about what's. happening to Christians in Armenia or. Christians in Nigeria nobody even knows. but when October 7th happened it was. wall toall coverage in America as if it. happened on American soil right so that. then made people and it wasn't even that. it was then it they instantly condemned. a lot of Americans and I think that. upset a lot of white Americans because.

they were like well wait a second this. has been happening to us this rhetoric. has been happening to us on college. campuses for years and no one did. anything and then suddenly it became it. became a mainstreamed issue if it was. relegated to the same coverage as. Nigeria and Armenia it wouldn't have. been in in the Forefront of people's. mind so what we're talking about is the. psychological impact of having day in. and day out I mean literally I was I. used to be like an Avid Reader of the. New York Post I had to stop reading it. after like two weeks I was like is there. is this even an American uh is this even.

an American publication anymore is this. like full-time recovering Israel every. minute of every day so I think that the. response came from the fact that it was. all the media would talk about it was. all the media would talk about and that. but it's the cart it's the cart before. no one ever talked about Ukraine and. then suddenly you know Russia invades. Ukraine and you couldn't go through it. suddenly I'm like when have we ever. spoken about Ukraine here and now. everyone's got an opinion about Ukraine. so that's that's just the power of the. media to make something a bigger issue. you could could see why from from the. Jewish communities perspective and the. pro-israel Jewish communities.

perspective why everyone gets so fixated. and the media does decide to put a. spotlight and scrutinize every military. operation in Israel like they do with. nothing else is a call for suspicion as. to this is more than just uh being. critical of a of an ally of the United. States that it supports there's. something else going on here what's. different about Israel than any of these. other countries what's different well. our relationship with Israel is. different I would say and I think. actually the coverage was we fund lots. of countries I mean we give a lot of Aid. to a lot of countries but some somehow. when APAC is advocating for legislation. AP you know I mean this is part part of.

the problem where it's they're they were. covering this issue feverishly and I. mean on the New York Post there there. are literal journalists who are in the. IDF you can just see it right on their. thing so there is this sort of marriage. between America and Israel and so I. think what you could be reading as well. why is it Israel part of it has to do. with the fact because the media is. insisting on us covering Israeli issues. as if it's American and so then people. started paying to what was happening I. actually think if they didn't cover it. you wouldn't have seen any of those.

protests but most but most of the. western media coverage of Israel is. hostile oh see I don't maybe it's. because of the Publications I read but I. would disagree with that but I don't. read leftist Publications so I'm biased. I'm read the New York Post I'm reading. like the Daily Mail the Wall Street. Journal and I would not say I would say. it's above and like very Pro speak to. the algorithmic realities we live in and. what you're seeing and we we get this. wrist read but I would tell you. internationally the BC CNN MSNBC most of. the you would agree most of media is.

like well you better you better read. different what are you doing watching CN. that's a bigger problem what are you. doing watching CNN most of media we talk. about it all the time right most you. talk about all the time most of. mainstream media it leavs the right that. you and I would I can tell you this. they're hostile towards Israel they're. they have no it's all Israel's fault. it's all like that point so that's the. thing this obsession with the Jewish. State I mean that's what Douglas Murray. astutely says all the time there's tons. of suffering all all over the world but. nobody cares cuz they hate the Jews they. had nothing to do with the Jews it's.

only when the Jews get attacked that. they're attacked more I think in that. spirit so good it's just your I'm not. public about it about the only when. Israel gets attacked that it gets. attacked more Israel is the only country. not allowed to win a. war yeah he'd be good to talk to I. recommend it you got to get him on and. do that with him but I listen personally. don't like BB Netanyahu fine he's. foreign I don't really care I get that. that upsets people because they think. it's like a lot of Israelis don't either. yeah they're protesting in the streets.

against him so I I agree with them I. think they've been they've been up to no. good and I think unfortunately the. Israeli population as well as Jewish. people in America are bearing the brunt. of bad decision making by his party but. I look at that as an abstract in the. same way that I look at like what Joe. Biden is doing I think he's awful too. you know and I critique my own president. so yeah I'm gonna critique Israel I'm. going to critique APAC I'm going to. critique the ADL in the same way that I. critique big Pharma the same way that I. the CDC the FDA and my own politicians. it's just it's just people should just.

stop taking it so personal like when I. start advocating for like Israel. shouldn't be a state and that sort of a. stuff which I would never ever do then. we're in a whole different category but. I think I think people should just like. you know give it some time so that's a. good it's a good distinction to make. that you know that you can recognize. that the people saying Israel should be. abolished dismantled that's where the. anti-Semitism comes in we're not just. talking about criticisms of is. particular politicians in Israel or. Israeli policy which Israel is known to. do and has a whole culture of dissent. and criticism uh they're a robust.

democracy which they should be proud of. and we should uh we should recognize as. a as a as a friend of the US in that. sense at least forget what the policy. should be in terms of giving people. money I mean there's a lot of friends. you have that you don't just give them. money in in in regular life as. individuals that's a separate. conversation but to recognize that I. think is super important and to. recognize that those that hate Israel. for nefarious reasons are there and are. using this guise of obsession with. Israel and in under the guise of. anti-Semitism to say only the Jewish. State can exist I mean ribbi Netanyahu.

will be voted out at some point that's. not the same thing in much of the world. that surrounds Israel these people have. indefinite indefinite terms uh of. leadership so that's what Israel is up. against so I just think it's always. looked at as the one that has the power. but Israel's the size of New Jersey. literally a little smaller than New. Jersey there's only 15 million Jews. around the world um you know there's. billions and billions of the other. populations so we're such a small. percentage and in terms of who's the dog. looking at the situation I think if you. just zoom out a little bit and see all.

this territory and all these regimes. that want nothing more than to just. knock Israel off the map it gives a. little bit of perspective to it yeah I I. have no allegiance to Israel I don't. know I'm just an American and I would. like more divorce in terms of my. politics from Israel don't wish them any. harm hope that they solve all the issues. that are in the region but quite. literally I have no attachment to the. place and I think it's weird that people. are kind of trying to you would of. course because you've been there you're. Jewish you've got Heritage there it's. just weird when people are trying to. make me feel that their ancestral or.

their Heritage is mine it's just not you. know you want if you want to go th and. then I'll be like Hey listen look at. this great Island these Caribbean. accents there's great jerk chicken like. come on and you it's Doper it's even. it's it's better if we want to go tip. for Tat food's better but but if St. Thomas got attacked and people were. taken hostage and I and I went time and. time again criticizing the response that. St Thomas made and saying hey it's. ridiculous you know and I said we. shouldn't support them we shouldn't give. them any money they should just do their. own thing I would be understanding. because I would say listen this is St.

Thomas with own country I would be. understanding because I would recognize. that this is America and this is St. Thomas if it was its own country. obviously we're just a territory of the. United States it would be weird if you. did it now because it's it is territory. of the United States so actually it. might bother you if I kept crapping on. it well if you were talking about. because I'm so consistent on sending no. money overseas I I just think that about. every country and by the way that's even. and this would be the hardest for me the. UK my kids are half British my husband. is British that's probably the best. comparison I would feel the most. emotionally attached to a terrorist.

attack on UK soil it would be very. difficult for me to but I would I would. wear those biases I would say to people. my husband is British my kids are half. British our family lives there and that. is the reason why you are correct like I. started our conversation with Dave I. said let me put my biases on the table. right and but I would totally understand. if people said I don't want to sing send. a single dollar to the UK I would I. would just have to respect but it's been. more than about just foreign aid it's. not just foreign aid it's it's if people. started to say like uh criticizing the. UK when it's the one that's been. attacked or criticizing the UK's.

response to try to get UK citizens out. of being in captivity and being. kidnapped it would make you suspect of. the people who continually only see it. on that one side yeah I guess if it was. like I said the issue is very. complicated we just went over this for. an hour and a half with Dave it's a very. complicated issue some people say. historically it's wrong people are like. let's just look at this as what happened. on October 7th and response to it I just. say I'm American and I just am not that. moved by what's happening in the Middle. East and I'd like to get people back to. focus on American issues and and I mean.

that of no offense to any person that. feels offended by it but um fair enough. anyways I I think that we should I we've. kind of gone way over here but I I want. to keep the conversation going with you. and I again want to just commend you. because I just think you're a really. sensible parisal voice I think there are. people that are radical and they're so. radical parisal that they might as well. be Pro Palestine they actually should. might as well be proas they're so crazy. in terms of what they're saying and it's. not helpful and I think people like you. and Dennis Prager are are just always. sensible always open to a conversation. always willing to say it like you're.

like I don't like that you're saying. this canace and I'm like well here's why. I'm saying it let's normalize this guys. let's just normalize having. conversations disagreeing and moving on. that that is really what I hope you get. away from this irrespective I know in. the comments some people are going to. kill me some people are absolutely going. to kill Amy they going to be all sorts. of weird comments it is what it is but I. hope you at least are listening to these. conversations and growing from them and. realizing speech is not that scary as. long as we are not becoming hateful. people who actually wish harm on other.

groups and those people should be called. out amen we agree on that thanks so much. for all of your time M we'll be touch. thank you. [Music].