Charlie’s “Freedom” Shirt Disappears. Another Witness Recalls Erika & Epstein. | Ep 354

All right, you guys, happy actually. Tuesday. I was going to say Wednesday. It is me already forgetting things. because I am officially the preggo. Right? No one can question anything I do. for the next few months. We all agree. I. don't make the rules, I just follow. them. Dana Lash makes the rules, actually. Let's bring in Dana Lash. >> And the widow. >> And the preggo. >> For the widow. >> For the preggo.

>> Or the widow. >> Or the preggo. >> The widow. >> The preggo. >> Honor widows. >> HONOR PREGGOS. >> [laughter]. >> I HOPE I GOT THAT OCTAVE like just. right. I feel like that I felt. Yes, I like it. I'm free. It feels like. a throwback to like a WWF. intro. Do you smell what the widow is.

cooking? Anyway, I am the preggo and if you. disagree with me, it's demonic. Duh. I heard it in a Rob. McCoy sermon this weekend in Vegas. Anyway, what do we have for you today? I. had asked last week, what happened to. Charlie Kirk's shirt? The freedom shirt. The one that he was wearing, the one. that TPUSA moved to sell like hotcakes. right after he passed. I don't Don't you. want to own the shirt that Charlie Kirk. was wearing when he died? $59.99 and it. could be yours. I just wanted to know what happened to.

the original one, actually. And the. answer is beyond absurd. Speaking of absurd, the judge in the. Tyler Robinson case just came back with. a decision that is not going to help the. conspiracies that this entire case is. going to be rigged. We're going to tell. you about that update. And lastly, we. were able to vet another tip from. someone who knew the old Erica, the one. working in New York City in Jeffrey. Epstein's modeling orbit. So, let's get. started. Welcome back to Candace. >> The widow.

>> [music]. >> Okay, so the list of things that are. suddenly beginning to make a whole lot. of sense when you consider the. increasingly plausible scenario that it. was indeed Charlie's road mic which was. rigged to kill him is growing. The list. is growing. Now I had asked a question. last week and gratefully someone pointed. out to me that Baron Coleman had already.

furnished the answer to it as well as. other people a long time ago actually in. his early days of covering the case. I. just wasn't following Baron back then. and also I maintain that I was in a real. state of shock and grief and I was not. processing. information as usual. There was so much. coming in, so many questions, so many. things for me to respond to recognizing. that I was suddenly going to be at war. with Turning Point USA on top of my. grief. But anyway, last week I had asked that. crucial question, what happened to. Charlie Kirk's white freedom shirt,

right? We were exploring that shirt in. particular because it would definitively. have explosive residue on it if the. theory holds. It's something that could easily at the. very least put the theory to bed. If our our hypothesis is correct, then. Charlie's shirt would actually be the. biggest piece of evidence available, right? To those seeking to hide the fact. that he was hit with an explosive every. place and item upon which the explosive.

residue may have landed would have to be. either cleaned up or destroyed entirely, right? Like the soil. We covered this. Can we test it for explosive residue? Nope, we can't because we learned that. they took care of that soil 10 inches of. soil dug out immediately and repaved by. Saturday. Charlie died on a Wednesday and that. soil was gone by Saturday. By Sunday, pavers were installed. Okay? Forget that. What about the necklace?

That's obvious place. Well, nope, that. was taken care of, too, because the feds. were looking for it for some unknown. reason, as was Frank Cheric, and it was. then given to the widow, who now wears. it around her neck. And who on earth. would expect her to hand that over? It. keeps her close to. her husband. Okay, well, let's get that, right? What. about the handheld microphone? That's an. obvious one. Surely we kept that one in. evidence, right, Kash Patel? Oh, nope, sorry, the widow needed that. for the Mar-a-Lago fundraiser.

It's encased in some glass, and she is. mourning beside it with photographers at. her helm. It all seems a bit too convenient. But surely, we think, surely, you are. thinking, this can't be an inside job. All of that, keeping this, giving this to the widow, all of it could be fine, potentially, if. we had Charlie's clothes. I mean, everybody knows you keep the clothes, right? Where is his shirt?

It would hold the most evidence. Surely. that made it to the hospital and is in. the possession of the police, the feds, right? Right? Wrong. Because here's what happened to his. shirt, according to Brian Harpole, who. joined Shawn Ryan for a car crash. interview, for which I'm being sued. over. Uh here is what happened to Charlie's. shirt, in case you missed it or forgot. it, like I did. Take a listen. >> We uh get to the hospital. Uh.

um actually, we we make it to the. hospital through the traffic. Um we've. got full room packing. We get out, and. we carry in uh to the door. Well, once. we make it into the door, we see a. gurney uh on the left-hand side. We put. him on a gurney, and then I wheel him. into a room. I start uh. giving. um. uh. the patient information. uh to the staff there. Uh. I end up getting on top of him and.

cutting the shirt that he had on off, that white freedom shirt. And I so I cut it off so they could get. to him so that um. I I I didn't articulate this to them, but I wanted to get that stuff off so. they could put defibrillator on him. And so uh. um. and then start talking about pushing. drugs. And so I was back and forth and with. them on drugs and defibrillator. And uh and so then um.

you know, once you get that cut shirt. off shirt cut off and moved out of the. way, you know, there's enough of. medical professionals in there and so I. just want to get out of their way. And so um got out of their way and. walked out of the room. And then stood. outside uh the room and held guard on. the outside door of the room so nobody. else could come in there. >> I genuinely do not possess in my. vocabulary enough adjectives to describe.

the absurdity of the scene. that Brian Harpole just tried. to convey to audience. I I It's. difficult. You just have to have You don't even. have to have a shred of common sense. You could have less than a shred of. common sense. Ever been to a doctor? Ever been to a hospital? This guy walked. in like he was the mayor. He He He grabs a gurney. He wheels the. gurney himself into a room. He then jumps on top of Charlie. Don't know where he got the scissors.

from. You would have think they would. have been available to him in the car He. got He got a pair of scissors. He's He's. barking orders. He then cuts Charlie's shirt off for. them because he's got this all under. control. People are just looking around. like this guy is amazing. He then starts. giving them information, even though you. would have thought that happened on the. phone. We still can't figure out who in. the car called 911, and we can't find. that 911 call, but they say someone did. call 911. He then starts giving information about. Charlie, and then he himself they're all.

standing around watching this guy just. do his thing. Like he's just your regular old Superman. everybody recognizes him from town. And then he steps back and says, "Okay, now I myself have decided I will back. away because there's enough. professionals, but I am going to talk. you through what meds to give Charlie as. well.". I'm sorry, who are you? And then he And then he wraps it up by. saying, "And then I decided to walk out. of the room and just guard the door.". Oh, they just let you do that at.

hospitals? I didn't know this was an. emergency scene. I've never seen this. Not even when they fake killed Jeffrey. Epstein. Did they come up with a story. this ridiculous? They literally showed. him as soon as he got to the hospital. Like, no, the medical professionals just. like took over obviously because not. even the people that are in the. paramedics. would be able to do this. You hand it. over. You're now in the hospital coming. in through the emergency doors. They. have an emergency set up, and not even. the paramedics. would be allowed to do what Brian.

Harpole, some random dude who they don't. know from a hole in the wall, has just. described to Sean Ryan that he did, no. questions asked. And he cut his shirt off. That's the. most crucial part. He jumped on top of him. He grabbed the. gurney. He picked the room. Everyone was standing around going, "Wow. Wow. We'll just wait until he. tells us there's enough of us.". Cuz this guy's got it. This guy's really. really got it. Well, why don't we just. have him perform surgery? What are we. doing here?

He did it because oh, I I I had the. defibrillator. Oh, well, you told us now. you're worried about Charlie's heartbeat. cuz you you told. us that you didn't even do CPR. It was an 8-minute car ride. Now you're you're you want to. defibrillate and bring his heart back. online. Do you know how much damage. would be Would he have 4 minutes that. you can survive without a heartbeat? And. you weren't worried about a heartbeat. Now you're worried about a heartbeat so. much so that you jump onto him and cut. off his shirt. Why are you saying this? This did not happen. This did not happen. Brian Harpole, you.

are lying through your teeth. Okay, it's no wonder Kash Patel. had to swoop in there and take the. cameras from inside of the hospital. We. were wondering why. Well, this very. clearly explains why because the story. is so fantastical, there's no way in. hell. the FBI could have allowed us to see. what went down that hospital. It frankly. it sounds like a sitcom, okay? Frank. Turik who. didn't touch Charlie, according to Brian. Harpole. According to Brian, he was just. praying in the back seat. But for some. reason, Frank notes that when he got to.

the hospital, he got changed. Mikey. McCoy, who was a hero, found them. surgical scrubs because there was blood. all over him. So he somehow got blood all over him and. then they all needed to change their. clothes. And when he changed his. clothes, he didn't even recognize at. that moment that his kids were still on. the phone. He's not going to realize. that till he gets to the hospital. Nobody really understands how he called. Jack Kevorkian, but he did. We have a hospital that's allowing Brian. Harpole. to run the op floor while Pastor Frank. Turik is being styled for some unknown.

reason. All of this definitely happened. For kids, that's really weird. Even like. if I take my kid to the emergency room, I feel like I've suddenly given them to. the medical industry. You can have a. baby in a hospital and they'll fight you. over the child that you just carried for. 9 months telling them basically the. child is theirs. Here's what the baby. needs. But somehow when Brian Harpole. came in here, he was just calling shots. And then he. then he did security. He guarded the. door. Wow.

This sounds like a movie. This sounds like I don't know, like a. Denzel Washington Johnny Q movie. This. does not sound like real life cuz it's. not real life. The reason Brian Harpole is spinning. that tail is because he probably did cut. off Charlie's shirt. at that hospital. When everybody was. stripping, he probably did cut off. Charlie's shirt. And I'm going to guess that that shirt. has been disposed of.

Cuz I don't see it in evidence. I don't. see it marked as evidence. I haven't. seen it in the court case filings that. they have this shirt anywhere. That. makes the most sense to me under this. scenario is that Brian is spinning a. tail trying to. make it sound heroic as to why he. removed a crucial piece of evidence off. of Charlie's body. Again, we're running the scenario that. this could be an inside job. That would. mean that the feds came in to do a. cleanup job of the evidence which would. have included, as we mentioned before,

the car. Right, this was the most compelling. piece of evidence that. we were never supposed to have, right? The car was sent for a tow, a cleanup, and auction all very expeditiously. They. didn't want to keep this for evidence. But of course John Bray, who immediately. identified the mic as the potential. source of a shaped charge explosion, was on the pursuit looking for shattered. ABS glass from the Rode Wireless Pro. Unknown to me,

he got this evidence and it's the first. thing he saw. I'm I am very convinced by. his arguments, but to play devil's. advocate, I had to imagine that it could. have been maybe a pair of sunglasses. that were accidentally stepped on and. then shattered all across the. floorboard. I had that. scenario at a very low probability, but. nonetheless, it's good not to convince. yourself of what you're seeing. But I can now state confidently that I. believe the bits that were on the. floorboard of the SUV are indeed. Charlie's shattered Rode mic because one.

of you sleuths reached out to us with a. rather fine detail. I love you guys. You're always paying attention. I'm just. going to read the email. It says, "Hi Candace and team. This may be nothing, but I believe you. guys need to try and enhance the images. on the back of the SUV, specifically the. black shards, because when I look at the. images unenhanced, there seems to be a number. of the shards that have white on them, both on the floor and the crease of the. seats. See screenshots of the videos.

that you shared from the show. If you study the images of the Rode. Wireless Go microphone, they have. several white details on them. And if. you can enhance the SUV images, I'm. confident that you'll be able to. identify parts of the microphone body by. the shards. It'd also be interested to see an image. from a different angle so that we can. see the piece that I have indicated by. an arrow on the one image. Again, it. could be nothing, but I think you guys. will have access to much better. enhancement tools, as well as all the. angles. I just have a feeling that those. little shards with the white on them.

hold the key to whether your suspicion. about the exploding mic is plausible. All the best.". Wow. What do you know? Here are the. images that they attached from our our. earlier show when they were circling. what they thought could be some white on. them, which would be like the Rode. microphone. Of course, it does say Rode. on it in white. Um do we have that Rode. image, too, of the mic? There you go. So, this is what they're looking for. They're going, "Actually, there's. writing on that.". So, if it was all over him, there's. you're you're going to get pieces that. have white on it.

And so, we enhanced the images, and I am. further compelled that this person is. correct. I will show you this, um. particularly cuz I thought you could. say, "Oh, maybe that's a sun glint here. and there." Not on that piece on the. right-hand corner. That is That is white. on there, and on some other pieces. We. can go closer here so that this person. can see it even better. That's white. This This is This is not someone's. sunglasses that we are looking at. Um I can show you another more enhanced.

photos here. Particularly that one in. the right corner is just so obviously a. piece of a shard um of something. And I. believe this is Charlie's Rode. microphone. This person was on the. money. There is white. There's. predictable white, of course, on the. edges. That sort of happens um when you. shatter glass in general. Uh but I also wanted to show you guys. these, you know, hyper-focused pieces so that. you could see that this person is.

definitively onto something. Now, I also want to show you because uh. there's a pocket of the internet for. everything, uh a video of some guy on YouTube who. just decided to break his Rode wireless. mic for funsy. Nothing to do with. Charlie Kirk case. Not sure the context. of this. Assuming this guy is super rich. cuz this is like $1,500 to purchase. these things. But let's uh take a listen. >> I am basically going to destroy my Rode. wireless Pros. I still use these things.

and love them. But in my review, I. talked about this candy mirror finish. and how nothing sticks to it. >> Starts breaking it. You can see that's what it looks like is. on. the car floorboard. >> No kidding. Okay. Or very carefully getting under here and. I'm splintering glass bits all over the. place. So, at this point I'm going to. say it's safe to say don't do this at.

home. Also, it kind of makes sense that. this is glass because if you think about. like iPhones, you know, they have that glass backing. for antennas and such. And so, I guess. that's where the antenna is on here. I don't know, but I'm guessing that's. what's up. At the very least now we get. to see what's underneath a Rode Wireless. Pro. >> That is what it looks like is on the. floorboard of the vehicle that. transported Charlie. That is a very.

solid and plausible theory. uh which I feel is now strengthened. Of course, beyond that, there is also. the curious case of the Whitney tree. We. covered this a little bit yesterday. The. people who were first to speak to the. media and set the narrative, they're the. most crucial people. Some people call. these people crisis actors. Talking about what happened, so when. people are looking for information, they. stumble upon these people and they say, "Hey, Charlie's been hit in the chest and we. can describe to you how he was hit in.

the chest. That definitely happened." We. showed you one student in particular, a. young woman named Sarah. uh Tool. But yesterday the internet quickly. discovered that after she gave her first. testimony with Fox 13. claiming in detail, along with others, that he was shot in the chest, suddenly. 51 minutes later, she went back on to. camera with local media. and completely changed her story. Here is her first interview to jog your. memory. >> So, basically, um.

I heard a loud bang, which I figured a. shot would be a little bit louder, but. uh I just saw it hit him in the chest. and then all of a sudden just tons of. blood gushing right out where his heart. is and then he like fell over and. slumped down and everybody got down and. was screaming and then we all ran. >> Can you describe just. did did he appear to be moving afterward. or or what? >> at all. Um I personally believe he was. dead on impact. >> You heard the one shot. Were there. multiple shots or or.

>> just one shot straight into Charlie Kirk. and that was it. And I think they got. him. >> And did you see the person who who fired. the shot or anything like that? >> No, I just knew that it came to the. right of me and went just directly into. his heart. >> I said I got a picture of you. >> Did you What What did you see as far as. I mean. What was the crowd How was the crowd. reacting to him? I mean, he is somewhat. known for being provocative, but what was going on beforehand? What. was he talking about? >> So, the first student got up and they.

were talking about religion, Mormonism. and Christianity, and the second student. to get up was talking about. transgenderism and how um gun violence. has been very frequent with that. community, and that is when it happened. Pretty ironic. >> Right Like right after during. right on that topic. >> Yeah, that's when he got shot in the. heart. >> As four people that are in attendance, one of them is her mother. No one is. disputing what she said. They were in. the fourth row, and she says directly.

hit his heart, came from her right side. Uh. Okay. That's pretty descriptive. That's. what she said at 1:17 p.m. But then just 50 minutes later, she. gives another interview, and her story. has changed. This is given. at around 2:08 p.m. Take a listen. >> Um and then after that, they had another. student step up to talk about. transgenderism and the violence and gun. violence that's been surrounding that. recently, and that is when Charlie.

caught Charlie Kirk was shot. It was in. the neck, and I watched the blood just. spurt out all over his body as he. slumped over and fell down. I believed. that he was dead on impact, but it. sounds like he is in critical condition. So, big prayers going out to him, hoping. that everything is okay. >> That is remarkable. That is remarkable. Directly to his heart to now on the left.

side of his neck. But, she wasn't done. Cuz then she went big time. She spoke to. ABC News, and this time her memory is. just getting better and better. She's. even able to confirm how many yards away. the bullet was fired from, and it. incredibly matches the distance to Loews. Center. She becomes an expert in sound. ballistics. Take a listen. >> So, I was in the fourth row in the. courtyard where Charlie Kirk was. Um I was a little to his left, and.

uh the shooter was to my right. So, and. even if you were looking at Charlie Kirk. from the front, the shooter was still to. the right, and just got him right in the. neck, blood gushing everywhere. Um a friend of mine and I ran into the. building, and ran out the building. It's. like the exit pathway, and just kept. running, crossing streets, like just. trying to get to safety. >> And so, you were you think the shooter. was to the right of you based on what.

you heard and what you saw. >> Yes, correct. Yeah, it went right into. his left side, and the shooter was from. my right, and even in the middle it was. still to the right. And I'm pretty sure. you had somebody say this earlier, but I. think it was about 200 yards away. >> Yeah, it was about 200 Pow! How did she know that? How does she now suddenly know that it. was it it it hit him in the neck versus. what she graphically described as it.

hitting him directly. in the heart as she points center. What changed? In short, none of that makes any sense. It's hard. to make sense of it outside of all of. these mysterious pieces falling together. when we examine the exploding mic. theory. Here's our update. It's good to. organize this stuff and to take a look. at it. Our updated chart of everything. magically falling into place when we. consider this theory. Um. bomb dogs being kept away from the. scene. Why the crime scene was.

immediately paved over and the soil was. excavated while the feds were searching. for Charlie Kirk's necklace. It explains. why there appears to be shattered black. ABS glass all over the SUV, why there is. no available footage or any eyewitness. reports of someone seen firing a shot. from a Lozi building despite this being. an active campus in the middle of the. day, why the feds did not conduct a. standard gunshot residue test when Tyler. Robinson was brought in. It explains why. Teryl Farnsworth violated the crime. scene to remove the back footage. It's.

almost like he got updated. Like, "Oh. crap, it hit his neck. We got to pull. that footage because we're going to need. to like explain that. Why didn't go We got a .30-06?". It explains why there was unusually no. ambulance on standby. The paramedics. would have likely seen that shattered. glass from the road mic pieces and other. evidence which [clears throat] would not. have supported a gunshot to the neck. It. explains why Erica was quick to forgive. Tyler Robinson. It explains why Brian. Harpole cut off Charlie's shirt. in a scene.

described by him which definitely did. not happen. And if it did happen, this. hospital should be shut down. If that scene did happen, this hospital is insecure. and it should be shut down. That is not. a safe place to take anybody. If randos. can run in and start directing doctors. and jump on top of people and cut off. their shirts. and decide to to perform security. on rooms, then this hospital Timpanogos.

uh should be shut down. That's my. perspective. Lastly, it explains, as we just showed. you, why multiple front row witnesses. wrongly claimed that Charlie was shot in. the chest before changing their. testimony. unusually. Uh if we continue to follow and work. upon this hypothesis, then it inevitably. suggests what we've all suspected that. Tyler Robinson is indeed a patsy. In order to become a patsy, to be clear, you have to have. a really bad friend in your life, right?

Someone that is close to you and that is. willing to set you up to either gather. or plant evidence against you. Someone. with access to your gun. Access to your clothes, like I don't. know, a roommate who you're maybe dating. and becomes the only source of clear. evidence, quote-unquote clear evidence. against Tyler Robinson in the form of a. dramatized text confession. which doesn't pass the sniff test, a. handwritten note that was subsequently.

destroyed. which doesn't pass the sniff test, because why would you handwrite anything. if you're going to just text everything. out anyway. Uh the person who curiously is not held. for questioning by the FBI, isn't that. kind of mysterious? Yeah, I would imagine if we take our. theory to its natural end, Lance Twiggs. might be a federal asset, a very. protected federal asset. And things are pointing in that. direction, because yesterday news came. in, rather a verdict came in. Uh Judge.

Graff. which is difficult to explain. given the extraordinary role that Lance. Twiggs played in shaping the narrative. against his alleged boyfriend, you might. think that the judge in Utah would honor. the defense's request to compel Lance to. show up to the preliminary hearing, which is set for the week of July 6th. Like, you're the basis of this entire. case against our client. If you assume that though, that he would.

say yes, you have to come because the. defense wanted to subpoena him, you. would be wrong because the judge has. just denied that request, okay? So, just. to remind you, the prosecutors. in this probable cause hearing. plan to represent Erica. She is the. listed victim on this case and they plan. to present at that time a recorded. statement from Lance Twiggs at the. preliminary hearing. So, essentially, Lance Twigs is allowed to testify. against Tyler Robinson. in the form of a recorded statement. Robinson's team, therefore, argued that.

they should be allowed to have the. opportunity to cross-examine him. Otherwise, this is hearsay. They're just allowed to say, "Hey, I got. a recording of a guy who says you did. it." Uh okay, but I say I didn't do it. "Well, it doesn't matter cuz I have this. recording.". Twigs now lives out of state, but the. judge has ruled that the purpose of this. hearing uh is not going to be decide to. decide upon Robinson's guilt, but rather. to determine if there's enough evidence. to move the case forward. So, they've. said. it's allowed. I allow it. It's a hearing.

that is allowed to move forward built on. hearsay. This is what we mean when we say. that this case is going to be a show. trial. That's a show trial. If you can. just bring evidence into the courtroom. and that evidence does not need to be. vetted, then the judge is and saying that's. perfectly fine at this stage, that's a. show trial. Could you just put yourself in that. circumstance? Okay, Lance says it. happened and you have no right to. examine the evidence. of what he's presenting, right? They. have not been given access to Tyler. Robinson's text messages to make sure.

they're real. or that they were indeed sent from their. client's phone that was in Tyler. Robinson's confession. Nope, they said. no. We're just bringing the printouts. These are the messages. Trust me, bro. They are not allowed to question the. person who says that he found the notes. They're just going to play a recording. of him saying that they found it. Imagine that scenario in your own life. You get hauled in, arrested for murder, and someone says, "Yeah, well, this. person says. that you did it and we have a recording. of him saying you didn't." And they're.

like, "That's enough. Judge Graf says. that's enough. We don't have to produce. anything else for this preliminary. hearing. You got to rot in prison until. the real trial happens. That is why. people believe the fix is in and I am. among the people in that perspective.". Like I said, the hearing is going to be. scheduled for the week of July 6th. I. will be away on vacation, but maybe I'll. have to set something up with you guys. to watch it live and respond to it. because this is so far beyond anything. that we could have imagined. We're just. living through JFK all over again.

We will be back after a brief break with. another person, by the way, who has come. forward to declare that they remember. Erica Frantzve from her New York City. days. and our earlier reports about her are. indeed true. All right, you guys. The media does not. even need to lie anymore. They just sort. of frame everything for us before we. even have the chance to think for. ourselves. They tell us what matters, what to be outraged about, and what to. ignore. It's hard to trust a single. outlet to tell the truth these days. That's why I use Ground News because I. want to see what's really going on, not.

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is the evidence and we'll flush that out. down the line. No evidence? Trust me, bro, on a recording? I mean, it's all so ridiculous, and they call us. the conspiracy theorists. It's exactly. what we expected. Anyway, moving on to. Erica Frantzve. Erica Frantzve, totally different person. than Erica Kirk. We're going to talk. more about that. So, we had um told spoken to you guys. about Next Model Management a few times, right? And we've now received another testimony. about that. Now, if you watched our.

Bride of Charlie series, you know that. we had received a a well-vetted tip that. Erica was in charge of, {quote}. modeling apartments for a bunch of. underaged East Eastern European girls. who were being brought to. as. and shuffled through Next Model. Management, which was owned and operated. by a woman named Faith Kates, right? This modeling agency was born out of the. Rothschild dynasty. We unpacked it on an. episode, and this was a shocking. discovery because Faith Kates was.

unbelievably close to Jeffrey Epstein. You can read Faith Kates' emails all. throughout Jeffrey Epstein's emails, which have are are when now. have been released. Jeffrey Epstein. himself, we learned, hung out at the. office regularly when he was in town. And what was described to us was that. suits would come through, models, these. young Eastern European girls were being. brought over from this country, hanging. all around the office, and the suits, so. to speak, would kind of.

decide what girls they wanted to hang. out with in a way. And the tip at that. time came in and said that Erica in. particular was in charge of. a white apartment building on the Upper. East Side where they sort of housed all. of these models. Now, we had wondered, we were not able. to confirm, if that white Upper East. Side in the '60s of the Upper East Side. may have been the one that was owned by. Mark Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein's brother. We still have not confirmed that.

But we did go out, obviously, cuz that's. a very big story that Erica would be at. this office, that she was there. with upper executives, and to the extent. of managing these apartments. We went. out to Turning Point USA to seek comment. regarding this, and we never received a. response, which is very odd to me, because Erica is quick to respond to. Project Constitution if he says that. she's dating someone. They love it, right? She suddenly she's got she's. drafting responses about, which is. probably written by Andrew Kolb at about. him having Dorito dust on him, you know,

a calling him fat and lazy, effectively. implying that he's fat and lazy. I feel like if you're going to reply to. something someone saying that you were. in Jeffrey Epstein's orbit. is pretty critical. It's a pretty critical thing to respond. to and shut down immediately. Uh there. is no person in the entire world that. wants to be. even slightly adjacent to Jeffrey. Epstein, especially given Erika's. background with the Romanian Angels and. all the innuendos out there about her. already. Now, we received another. update. Another person has come forward.

and confirmed this information. That. Erika Kirk was working as the contact. for the model apartments on the Upper. East Side. This person is insistent. She. said she herself met with Erika Kirk. Okay? This is exceedingly problematic. This is exceedingly problematic if. underage girls were brought in to under. the guise of being models and like you. know, it's not like it's not you're. allowed to be an underage model. It's. not like you have to be 21 to model.

It's quite the opposite. But then were. kept in apartments which may or may not. have been owned by Jeffrey Epstein. Certainly they were being shuffled. through. um a modeling agency of which Jeffrey. Epstein was very much involved in. We. know this. This was his thing of how he. trafficked a lot of women from the. Eastern Europe through modeling agencies. like the one with Jean-Luc Brunel in. France. And his ties to Faith Kates who. stood by his side even when he was found. guilty of harming Faith Kates was his.

loyal defender and it ended up costing. her um her entire reputation, her career. really. If you look her up, you can you. can't really. get over that. Um. marred her entire reputation. And now we. are learning that Erika, we were always. wondering why did Erika have this. license, this real estate license? And it is plausible that it was just a. sort of give her a shield for stuff that. she was involved in that is very. questionable. It's very questionable. We.

couldn't find some long history of Erika. Kurken as a real estate agent, but she. got her license in New York to do what? Erika at this time claims she was a jack. of all trades, right? She was a casting. director in New York City, a real estate. agent in New York City, a pageant model, a casting director in New York City, a. woman running a charity for Romanian. Angels alongside the United States. Marine Corps while she was in New York. City. She was also a clothing designer, started her own clothing line while she.

was in New York City. She was also a. reality TV star while she was in New. York City. None of these careers are. lucrative. None of them are in are. consistent. There is no such thing as a. jack of all trades. There is such a thing as a liar. Okay? So, I'll put an APB out if you are able, perhaps you used to model. Perhaps you yourself were a young girl, Eastern European, who came to America.

and dealt with Kate's Next Model. Management and you remember Erika Kirk. being one of the individuals who managed. the apartments. And I want to be clear, I did speak to one model, but I didn't find her memory. to be convincing enough. When she she talked about how these. girls that managed the modeling. apartments. uh that she did herself live in, but she. I I I didn't feel confident that the. girl that she dealt with was was Erika, but she said there in their capacity, they also got these underage girls into.

clubs at night. Giving getting them in uh with fake IDs. Yeah, this is what she described to me in like. a 1-hour conversation, giving them drugs. while they were, you know, partying. underage. But again, I did not feel like her. memory that it was Erika was correct, but she said, "I lived in this building. I can't remember the faces and names. I. once got robbed." And she told me this. whole story. If you have any information. specifically about Erica France Faye,

um and Next Model Management, Erica. France Faye managing apartments at on. the Upper East Side, a white building, we would like to hear from you. You can. email us at moretips@candaceowens.com. You can also email us at. tips@candaceowens.com. I feel very much there is something here. given everything we have uncovered in. the Charlie Kirk assassination story, the strange web surrounding Epstein. Now. we know Trump called him and told him to. to stop speaking about it, was upset.

There is smoke here, and where there is. smoke there tends to be fire. Anyway, I had mentioned something else. to you. I was mentioning it as a soft joke. Rather, I was acknowledging that on the. surface it seemed kind of petty, but it. was. for some reason in the back of my head. something that disturbs me early on. Well, everyone was talking about Erica's. pants and all the stuff. I avoided all. that, how she hugged J.D. Vance. But. there was something that was bothering. me about Erica's signature, about the. way she signed her name that felt weird. to me. And I showed you that signature.

last week. Um just kind of because someone else had. mentioned it on X. Here is that Here is. um. I go not I want to see her new. signature, Erica Lane, the one that's. scratched out. This is her signature. that she uses today. And I just I just. don't like it. I can't explain it. I. couldn't explain it. Well, lo and behold, I'm glad that we we. shared that sentiment because then we. got a string of emails from people who. knew Erica, and it turns out that Erica. completely changed her signature. That's. not That's not That's her new signature, okay? When Erica was Miss Arizona,

she was 24 years old, to be clear. She's a full adult. She had an entirely. different signature. This is the. signature, and I'm going to tell you why. this is actually important. Totally. different signature, the way she signs. Erica. I mean, this is like a totally. different person. It is not subtle. People do not change their signatures. You know that, I know that. Least of all. when you're 24 years old. You learn. cursive, you learn to sign your name, you practice signing your name, and you. just do it without thinking for the rest.

of your life, okay? You can change your. last name, you adapt it to how you're. already signing your signature when you. get married. You don't change your your signature no. more than you change your fingerprints, okay? It is a piece of your identity, so. to speak. So, I looked this up, and lo. and behold, there have been entire. psychological expeditions into exactly. the profile and disorder that um people. have that do this. This is a real thing. And it so clearly when they identified. this disorder, it explains to me exactly.

what we are experiencing with Erica. It. is dissociative personality disorder. We'll scroll through that in a bit. Now, I'm not saying this to be funny or mean. I virtually every descriptive trait of. somebody who has dissociative. personality disorder matches the. experience I am having watching Erica, okay? Floating between different. identities. Seems to be suffering from like an. amnesia. I don't think she knows she's. lying. It's like she doesn't remember. what she says a couple of months ago. In January, she's telling employees via.

a conference call she can't wait to meet. them. She can't wait to learn their. names. She can't wait to see what. they're working on. She wants to know. their hearts. Fast forward to June, she's now angry on stage telling donors. that the plan was always this. She. already was at the office every day. Everybody knew every She knew. everybody's names. She knew every. department and exactly what they were. working on. She just showed up and just. pressed play. Okay? That is not lying, that is a total. and complete disassociation. from someone that you were previously.

And and that is what I think so deeply. disturbed me when I remembered that. conversation that I had with Tucker in. Maine, that Erica was radically. anti-Israel, that she hated the pastors. around Charlie. was pushing Charlie in. this direction. She has now completely dissociated. from that previous person. She's now. radically pro-Israel. Says it's like brain rot not to be. She's dropping books about Shabbat. Shalom. Immediately after Charlie dies, she welcomes Ben Shapiro to open Amfest.

That is dissociative. Okay, so and when you pull this up. genuinely cuz it used to be called split. personality disorder, they changed it. because it makes people think that. you're living like 10 identities at once. when you say that. That's not what it. is, okay? It explains exactly what we are seeing. It explains what I've gone through. As I. went through her her childhood and her. background, I had sensed that there was. like some sort of a childhood trauma. that she suffered and that is what. causes this people to dissociate from. their previous self. The Erica that.

existed during Miss Arizona years. doesn't exist anymore. She she she has chosen a different. character. She became someone else while. she was with Charlie. And when I spoke. to her ex-boyfriends, they literally. didn't recognize her. Like not one shred. of the human being that they dated for. years was present in the Erica Kirk that. they are now seeing today. That's not. normal. That should not be ignored. Okay, pull up this this dissociative. identity disorder thing and it talks. about. it's formerly known as multiple.

personality disorder and split. personality disorder. where you have two or more separate. identities. Dissociate means to separate. or disconnect, right? People with. dissociative identity disorder may. experience several different. personalities, usually referred to as. alters, and each identity may have. different behaviors, memories, thought. patterns, or expressions. She speaks. entirely differently from how she used. to speak. I've never seen this before. That's what makes me so uncomfortable. Um it talks about how it may control.

your behavior at different times. Memories may not transfer. from one identity to another. It's like. it causes a sort of amnesia, gaps in. memory. When she gets up there and she. says I never dated anyone before Charlie. Kirk, you're like, "What are you talking. about? You never weren't dating before Charlie. Kirk. How can you just completely. dissociate from the previous self that. you were? I don't understand it until I read this, and it's interesting because this is the. clinical diagnosis of it, but they also.

include. the spiritual diagnosis of this. Before. things were clinical, people believe. that this is a form of possession. Right? Scroll down here. What are the. different types? Possession. Identities present as if an outside. being or spirit took control of your. body. You might speak or act differently. in a way that's obvious to others. It's. an unwanted identity, and the. personality switch is involuntary. And. there were a lot of people that were. saying this, that it's like she was. under some sort of a possession. They.

don't they don't recognize the person. that they are speaking to. So, don't dismiss this. I I think this. is what we're seeing, where she just. doesn't really seem like she's here. And she doesn't remember things, and. she's lying to us all the time, and but. she seems frustrated with us for knowing. that she's lying. And she's angry. It. speaks about that. I think this is something. I really do. I think that this is something it and. talks about if you scroll down how it. the source of this is usually a.

childhood trauma. The signs here is like those gaps in. memory, and. you know, delusion. Uh. stressed about Sorry, if you scroll down. here, DID may cause a stressful. experience may include. trauma, abuse, stressful experiences. I. don't love the relationship she has with. her mother. I find her mother. um. there's just something about DeLorri. I'll tell you that much.

But this is what we're seeing, and by. the way, it's it's it's it's these. critical moments as well. Like when we discovered that she. presented herself as Catholic right. after Charlie died. In the back of the church. pouring her heart out to a woman talking. about um, how much Charlie loved. the Catholic Church, that they were. going to mass every day, how he was. close to convert how close to. converting. This woman flies back to. Chicago to bring Erica a relic and she's. totally Catholic. And then the woman is. uncomfortable when she then gets invited.

to Mar-a-Lago and suddenly Erica's a. Judeo-Christian and there's no mention. of Catholicism and she's a totally. different person. That's a disorder, guys. That she can just float in between. personalities is not normal and we. should recognize that. I I do believe. that she has completely disassociated. and it's not because of Charlie. Because. we examined this when she met Charlie. She became a totally different person. and even completely transformed her.

signature. Whacky. Completely whacky. Anyway, there's a clip I want to show. you. uh, just to end on a note of somebody. who his entire show is him having. different personalities and it works cuz. he's a comedian. It's Tim Dillon. This. clip of him is this just he has this. ability to just sort of. express how we're all feeling about the. ridiculousness of everything. I actually. don't have a lot of resentment for J.D. Vance and I don't think Tim Dillon does. either. But the idea of everything that. we've just lived through with Iran and.

the gaslighting and the Epstein files. and the Charlie Kirk assassination and. then J.D. Vance drops a book about his. Catholicism. It's a bit dizzying, I. think, for a lot of people and Tim. Dillon decided to do a reading of J.D. Vance's book or something like a reading. of J.D. Vance's book. Take a listen to. this cuz it's just again brilliant. humor. >> So, we have here an excerpt. from the book God chose me by J.D. Vance.

Here we are. After sacrificing Charlie Kirk to the. entity Baal, I began to think about my faith. >> [snorts]. >> Long nights in the Vice President's. residence, pacing, thinking about if the sacrifice to Baal. would be enough. Long meetings in the Oval Office and the. Situation Room discussing Baal's. incessant appetite for flesh.

"When will Baal get enough?" I would ask. while drinking my morning coffee. Or at night while I sat there and my. wife expressionless stared at me and not. and and and refusing to speak. "Does Baal care about America?" I would. ask. "Is Baal a fan? Could I get a meeting with Baal? >> [laughter]. >> Could I sit toe-to-toe with Baal and in. its ancient tongue convince it to stop.

killing?". Very By the way, as a as a as a excerpt. from a book, it's very interesting. because [laughter] it's J.D. Vance. communicating with the deity deity deity. of Baal. Um well, of course, many people are. going to say, "Well, that's not. technically in his book." It's the. essence of the book. >> [laughter]. >> It's the essence of the book. >> It's the essence of the administration, I think, is what we're getting at. This.

is how it feels. It's like. we can't just move on and or talk about. midterms and read an autobiog- like what. is going on actually? We are dealing with understanding that. our this administration, whether you. think, you know, J.D. Vance is a hostage of it. um or perpetrator of it has protected. ball worshipers. Like that's the reality. and we all know they're lying about. Charlie Kirk. So I say I don't really.

want to read an autobiography right now. I just don't. I really don't. And. leave it at that. We'll be right back. after a brief break. All right, you guys, big news. I. recently announced that my family is. growing and we are expecting another. baby. It's one of the most exciting. moments in life, but if you've ever had. a major life change like this, you know. that it also makes you think differently. about the future. Suddenly you're not just planning for. yourself anymore, you're planning for. someone who will depend on you. Life. insurance is one of those things that is. easy to put off, but having the right. coverage can help provide financial. protection and peace of mind for people.

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sleuthing, but that was fast, man. That. was really fast. Ms. Reenie writes, "I. owed a towing company for years. I had. the evidence contract, which means. whenever a vehicle was involved in a. crime or used to transport a body, that. vehicle was stored at our tow yard until. the case closed. Never would a vehicle. be released, cleaned up, and sold. This. is just effing insane." Yeah, it's just. And the most insane part is that they. just think they have enough money to. convince us that it's all sane. Like. that's the most insane part. They're. just like, "No, you guys are all crazy. for noticing that nothing that we're.

telling you makes any sense whatsoever. and we're just lying through our teeth. and we definitely fumbled the. assassination, but like we're powerful. and you're not I guess or something." Uh. comments from today's episode, this. person True Detective writes, "Global. elites are immersed in the occult. The. narrative is right out of the first. season of True Detective or The God at. Dusk by Anand Bosmia. Keep fighting the. good fight." Yes, Skyler keeps saying I. need to watch True Detective and I. really do need a new a new show to. watch, so maybe when I'm on vacation. I will do that. Becky writes, "I vote.

the beautiful the beautiful, smart, talented preggo. Congratulations to you. and George." Thank you so much. Jen. writes, "Six months ago I was told that. there was no heartbeat. Broken and. needing distraction, I sent my first. uh super that night to you, and you read. it live and it lifted my spirits. Yesterday I had my 8-week scan, and I. got to hear the perfect strong heartbeat. of my rainbow baby. God is so good. Uh. congratulations to you. I can't even. imagine that um. going through that and and no heartbeat. That is just absolutely terrible. And.

yeah, God is good. And for a lot of. people that are struggling with. fertility, just keep trying. I always. hear these stories of people that are. trying for years, and then like right. when they give up, they just get. pregnant and they have like twins, all. sorts of stories like that. So, keep. going. Brandy Garcia writes, "My dad was. murdered in 2019. Investigators kept his phone, clothing, chair, sections of flooring, and walls, and even unrelated firearms for years. The case just closed, and I'm still. fighting to get his belongings. belongings back. This is crazy." Yeah, I. mean just they just gave everything to.

Erica. His phone, everything. Here. Here. you go. Maybe his phone would have had. explosive residue. I don't know where it. was where his phone was actually. Um typically he would have it on him, but or maybe he would hand it sometimes. backstage to like, you know, the Mikey. McCoy character or whoever was traveling. with him. At that time it was a girl. named Sarah. But this is weird. This is just Yeah, objectively, why was. everything that should be in evidence. given to Erica for fundraising? Again, it was because they were. establishing the widow narrative.

Um also, I'm very sorry that your father. was murdered in 2019. That's also. unimaginable. Um. Very Yeah, that's just I couldn't even. process that. Uh pre pre writes, "Imagine having access to AI, top-ranking officials, and intelligence. agencies, and still getting debunked by. a podcaster from her basement. LOL. It's. these sleuths. and ain't me. I'm just putting together. the pieces. Our team, we go get to go. through the emails. I mean, we we do. specialize in common sense. That's what. we do. So, when you're going to tell us. that you were just running the OR room, you just ran in there, we're going to.

just we're just going to call BS right. away and say Brian Harpole is lying. You. you add that to your lawsuit claims if. you need to, Brian. That is a ridiculous. story to tell. A ridiculous story to tell, so much so. that Turning Point USA themselves should. come out and dispute it strongly. They should come out and say this. absolutely never happened. Like they. it makes it sound like it's just a. cartoonish place. Erica tried to sell. and she lied that the surgeon was just. like, "Oh, I violated HIPAA.". Spoke to a PR agent and said, "Maybe it.

was a super bad neck." Like is this. hospital being run by a group of. toddlers? Or are we being lied to by everyone. associated with Turning Point USA? I. tend to believe that Brian Harpole is. lying through his teeth about the. scenario that he pitched to. um. uh Sean Ryan. Pre writes, "Imagine having Oh, pardon. Um. Claire writes, "Having supported. information operations when I was in. government, the goal is to use a. narrative that is unlikely to induce.

questions. Whoever planned and led this. effort failed miserably. The story. should, quote, prevent the second look, and this doesn't." Exactly. Again, I. think a couple of things went wrong. They had planned on this hitting his. chest. It which would have made things fit in a. lot closer. I mean, we just it it was. never, in my opinion, meant to hit his. neck. And the shape charge, due to Charlie's. past posture, he kind of has a bent. posture,

it went and hit his neck, and that. ruined everything. Me seeing the footage. ruined everything. And then it was just. like them trying to come up for air, and. they never did. And then they they got. dumber. the faster they worked to say something, the dumber it sounded. Uh they should. have never I mean, talk about a critical. error was having Andrew Kolb press send. on the Superman neck he eats good. veggies tweet. That's ridiculous. Tim Morgan writes, "I. want to call Brian Harpole the amazing. something, but not his name, and it. definitely ends with the word hole.".

I don't know. Pothole is probably what. you meant. Tac Rachmar writes, "Please don't take. it offensively that we keep suggesting. names for the baby. We all just love you. so very much. I hope I speak [snorts]. for most of us saying that we considered. ourselves extensions of your beautiful. and blessed family." What was the name. suggestions? I didn't even see them. I didn't see any. I'll have to pull some. tomorrow. We have a name. We do have a name. We're. running out of boy names, but we have. one. Ali writes, "Larry Johnson is ex-CIA and. often on with Mario Nawfal discussing he.

says the 30-odd-6 narrative is BS and. the Egyptian planes could be. intelligence related." Obviously, the. Egyptian planes are intelligence. related. I mean, like common sense. The. Egyptian planes are intelligence. related. It's the most ridiculous thing. I've ever seen in my entire life that. they're like. "Egyptian planes totally normal.". That they were here that day. So weird. Yeah, that's just totally normal. Erica, hahaha. [laughter] No no Egyptian planes. here. Again, misguided. Um they just don't know how to behave.

normally and pretend pretend to be like, "Oh yeah, we should explore that's kind. of weird." That is weird. Let me get up. with Joe Kent and said they're like. "Kill Joe Kent. Crush him. Destroy Joe Kent for trying. to investigate foreign leads.". We just know we're being lied to. Like. again, we're just going to have to sit. back, watch this case and see how far the. government goes. Like what happens when. they're caught. red-handed.

lying about everything. Are they just going to come to us and be. like, "So what? Doesn't matter. We. assassinate people who have done nothing. their entire lives but tried to fight um. for the very administration that is. allowing us to do it.". We're going to find out anyway. Um we are up on time. If you want to. support our show, you can head to the. website, sign up uh for the book club, grab some merch, grab yourself a stop. anti-cannibalism mug because it is. rampant and it is ugly. It is the worst. form of hate. It is a hate that mutates,

and especially given the fact that I am. the prego. I I I I I I just can't imagine. There's. The Bible is very clear. Um and I I learned from Rob McCoy's. church that you can just pluck up any. proverb you want and just say how it. applies to you in your life, however. you're feeling every day. And that's not heretical at all. No, Dana Lash is a pastor. if she wants to be. That's how this thing works. We will see you guys tomorrow.