Candace Owens x Russell Brand | Candace Ep 206

All right, we're going to just start. now. You said you were extremely. nervous. No, I get nervous. I don't like. to wait around. That's not true. It is. true. Why would I say it's not like It's. not like I'm saying, "Oh, guess what? I. see visions of angels and they're giving. me guidance." I'm saying I get nervous. No one would make that claim to make. yourself seem or feel better. Would you? What? Like Like you think it's some sort. of reverse modesty. Oh, I'm nervous. because I'm so fragile and not at all. vain. No, I just think that you're a. famous actor, you know? So, I feel that. you don't get nervous when there's. cameras around. But maybe I'm wrong cuz. this is the real you. It was probably. easier to be somebody else. Actually,

that was also annoying. Being someone. else was annoying. I don't think there's. anyone you can be where it's not. ultimately annoying unless what you're. actually doing is finding yourself in. the constant living flow. What it is is. feeling like suspended. That's what I. don't like. I don't like the sense of. suspension, purgatorial. I like to be in. the flow of it. Do I feel like and you. know that's difficult because when you. are an actor, there's a continual. tension between what's happening. technically and what's happening on. screen. and that and and the power. balance will be dependent on what type. of director you have. Sometimes you have.

directors that are very like obviously. there's a standard that has to be. achieved with lighting and framing and. cinematography etc. But some people are. very much like no I just want to see. people affecting one another with words. I just want to see performances and. other people are like really like say. someone like Kubric all he cares about. is making sure that it's a molecular. level precisely what he envvisaged. The. vision is apparently so clear that he. just needs to move people around through. sort of a pre-imagined set of shadows.

and stations that he could foresee. That's the nature of I suppose Kubrick's. genius. And me like I would like it that. just everything like I've probably to my. detriment gone just film it. Just film. it and we'll work all anything else out. after like oh look my hands in that. shot. What you know I mean is that you. know this that's a nightmare for. someone. It's the wrong skin tone. We. could pretend it's like that it's. Candace's hand. and his madness. It. doesn't make sense. Oh no, what you. doing? Hey, are you having a better time. with your own economic model? Is it.

working better for you? Like now, why. did you pick that voice in your hand? I. just didn't want I think I do this. character with my kids. Like, you know, come on, man. Just as soon as we go to. bed, isn't it bedtime? Please capitulate. your damn kids. You know, why don't you. do what I ask you? You would be a very. fun dad. That's what I would say. Definitely. Yeah, cuz you you get to. create a bunch of characters and that's. pretty much what what raising toddlers. is. Raising children is a bunch of. characters. Yeah, I that's what I'm. doing. There's a real cast of characters.

my kids encounter. Make them the heroes. of their own drama. Bring forth who they. are. You know what I think, Candice? The. word parent and the word parentheses. Parentheses like brackets. You're. holding them. Don't interfere with them. Let them grow. Let them be who they are. Just keep enough space around them so. the state doesn't get in there and turn. them into little freaks or weirdos or. their friends don't teach them some mad. new vernacular of crap slang, turn them. into little droogs. You know what I.

would say is I feel that my Wikipedia. page should be updated and so should. your Wikipedia be updated um to reflect. the fact that I saved you from communism. and which made you a much better parent. like your poor kids were one they had. this communist parent raising them and. then I blew into England and rescued you. and you were an old president in the. house a transformation. since you were an old-fashioned commie. now you now hear me good woman what.

happened was is I was and remain. anti-establishment. anti-establishment. so I I was never like as in communist I. think what we should do is give maximal. power to the state Hammer and sickle. flag. It was waving. I did have a hammer. and sickle flag. And I was dressed as. Shaavara. And I was reading Das Capotel. Yes. Yes. And I did have my own little. Goolag in the garden where I did, I must. say, imprison intellectuals. Yes, I did. make them toil there. I made them toil.

in Siberia. But other than that, I had. no affiliation. It was no cuz really in. a sense, don't you think there is some. source, some divine force that's trying. to express itself through you? And isn't. it our function to cleanse the channel. that we may become clear? What was he. doing by a Chesterton's reckoning at. least St. Frances when he went into that. cave and burrowed downwards to the point. where you burrow down enough and in the. end if you were burrowing into the. center of the earth this is Chesterton's. image that you would ultimately end up.

burrowing upward at some inconceivable. point you are no longer in descent you. are in ascent. St. Francis having been. called by his own father a fool in court. because St. Francis was so in love with. raising money for the church that he. nicked his dad's textile sold some off. to repair a church wall. His father was. bit annoyed about that dragged his boy. through the courts from the mere Francis. the ordinary buccaneer cavalier. horseback riding occasionally beheading. mad goon Francis becomes St. Francis and.

says if I am a fool as my father. declares let me be a fool in the court. of Christ. Let me be a jester for our. Lord. He just takes a peasants's brown. robe and ties it up with a rope. Within. five years, thousands of men are adorned. with that uniform. Surely, it is our job. to become saints, Candace. Surely, that's what we're supposed to do. And we. may grab. art artifacts and archetypes from the. culture and from deeper realms. But we. are on our way back home. We are on our. way to eternity. So, when you came.

around my house, I remember you. prancing, you pranced, you pranced. around my podcast studio and, "Oh, everyone's just going to get on and. we're going to have immigrants and. everything's going to be okay." I. remember thinking, even though I'm bi. biometrically diametrically opposed to. this woman, in many, many ways, I see in. her deep joy and I like her. Even though. I've just been speaking to a a black. academic in my country who I respect who. said that Candace Owens is the black. face of white racism. I thought this is. not what this woman is. She is deeper.

and more profound than that. She is. doing something interesting. And also we. can't keep going on like finding. legitimizing ways to not like one. another. What would make it legitimate. for me to not like a person? Well, if. this were true then I could suppose I. could legitimately dislike them. It's. our duty to love and it's our duty to. become who he would have us be. But you. know what? I think that actually. I changed so much since that moment as. well. And I agree with you. I very much. agree with you. And I think more people.

are watching this show because of the. changes that I've made because I was. thinking in that vein. This is the left. This is the right. And he is on the left. and I am on the right. And then you sort. of realize that actually we have a lot. more in common and more of us are way. more in the middle. And it's like these. extremities are don't actually mean. anything. There's so so so few people. that actually operate in that extreme. And that's why I never actually took you. for a leftist because you were way too. tolerant. I mean, we had so much fun. I. didn't care. I actually had fun kind of. dueling with you intellectually and you.

saying, "But don't you think this and. eating whatever you were eating out of. that little bowl of snacks you had while. you just had me there for two and a half. hours?" Two and a half hours was it? Mhm. It was fantastic. And people loved. it. And it was like the first time uh. where you I checked the comment section. and people were thrilled like left and. right were thrilled because they were so. refreshed by people not sitting across. from each other simply to hate each. other. And that's a problem that we. have. That is that's a major problem. that we have. But I will say that I'm. tremendously optimistic because I think. it's it's something is is changing. I'm.

not sure what to attribute that change. to, but culturally things are changing. My prayer and my faith is that Christ is. on the move in our culture. that Christ. has wearied of these false taxonomies of. this left and right ideas born out of. industrialization and mechanization and. the conccommittant social movements that. are no longer relevant as we stand on. the precipice of the third great. anthropological revolution technology. technological revolution at scale that.

means that attention consciousness. itself could be commanded in in. previously inconceivable ways that all. things come from him. He the our father. in heaven that is the same a thousand. years ago as he will be tomorrow. He. that is outside us outside of time. And. what I feel might be our challenge is to. for us to be messengers of this deep. truth that the technology that currently. exists can be used to create a kind of. diaspora a mass decentralization. There.

is no requirement for centralized. institutions either economic and private. commercial or state bureaucratic that. there was a 100 years ago or 500 years. ago. That this is a time where you could. be afforded a degree of autonomy, control and agency in the life of your. family and of your community. And what. excites me about that Candace is that we. would be able to diffuse this constant. polarity and this constant tension. If.

you want to sign off and sign out from. the experiment of your nation, whether. it's France or Romania or the UK, the. United States, why oughten you? Why. ought you be tethered to worldliness? Why do they want us to treat the state. and the world as if it were a kind of. religion? Why do they lay claim to the. powers of the God that they deny even. exist? They want your constant filty. We. today we believe this. It's a new. doctrine. Today we have a new cast of. saints that we want you to revere. All. the while making the claim that it's.

ridiculous that we believe in the birth. of the son of God, the death of the son. of God for our sins and his resurrection. that we may know eternal life. They. invite us to believe in these. detrimental and ridiculous faith-based. systems. Um, if you ask me, somewhat. tory. They lack only the forgiveness and. majesty of our glorious faith. You know, I I have to force you to read this book. It's in tatter sitting next to me. I. have a book club and we're reading. Hollywood Babylon and I just oh god. what's going on fantastic booky sleeves.

well written by Kenneth Anger in the 60s. and got banned from the United States. because he just was he was you know a. member of the occult and friends with. Alistister Crowley and he just basically. told all the secrets of how they. established Hollywood which is not. something that we often think about. because Hollywood was always a thing um. and you came up in Hollywood and one of. the things that's really interesting. about you that I covered on the show is. that it seems to be the way whether it's. you whether it's Justin Bieber or. whether it's you Kanye when he first. when you kind of go, okay, Hollywood. actually is not fulfilling me and I need.

something else and I'm kind of done. being my own pagan god and you start to. turn to these themes that we are talking. about eternal truth. We start to turn to. Christ. It seems like this isn't okay. No, no, no, no. They they want you to. exist within the me myself, the. selfishness. And then when you turn that. off and you start to represent something. truer to your audiences, suddenly the. media turns on you. And this book really. reflects that. And it's called Hollywood. Babylon because he's telling you that. that was it was established as a sort of.

faith. They intentionally called the. movie houses cathedrals. They were. trying to mimic uh Catholicism by. turning it on its head, getting people. to worship the stars. Why did they call. them Hollywood stars? They wanted people. to worship stars. Actually brilliant. So. true. and he is totally demonic and a. cult and the the stuff that he brought. forward the author of this Kenneth Anger. who you know contributed to these sort. of um you know because he was explaining. how they really believed in sex magic. and Hollywood Babylon all these people. that established it but he's telling the.

truth these were his friends and for. this book to have been banned in America. which I still cannot comprehend how it. was banned in America before they. allowed it to be reprint and they. removed certain passages from it. fascinating story you should read it. because I think coming from Hollywood. and seeing that and experiencing that. I. feel like the media loved you and then. you found Christ and they were like, "No, Russell Brands, no. He's terrible. Never mind. He's a really bad guy. Don't. let him tell you anything that might. supply your life with a bit more purpose. and direction and meaning and true.

meaning." Well, that's Thank you. And in. a sense, it's a flattering analysis. because I reckon that my exiling from. that particular little citale owes much. to blunt economics. But I would say also. that that the scrutiny. employed in that book there seems. Candice to me absolutely 100% right. And. there's nothing more appealing than. being told that yes, you're right, you. are fantastic. Like like a culture that.

will tell you that you're brilliant. Now, most people I know that have become. entertainers. There are rare exceptions have some. grain in them of terrible, terrible. self-doubt and terrible loathing. I. mean, don't all of us as human beings in. fact have that because understandably we. are fallen and we are broken and we can. never be healed or whole alone. Not. without him, not without his sacrifice. Now, like when you're in Hollywood and. you're told, "Actually, no, there's. nothing wrong with your infantile. desires and your urges and your.

narcissism and your hedonism." They find. ways of monitoring and maneuvering those. ideas, but it in fact is built upon, as. you said rightly, paganism, the idea of. being sexually attractive. Like there's. doing this to this day. I mean, I I'm. sort of struggling to I I caught a. glimpse on my ex feed, though I'm. reluctant to look too much at any of. these platforms because it seems that. there is some sort of semi-conscious. desire within it to turn you all into a. porn mad denison of a world of tension.

and threat and it like just like he is a. act of violence. He's an act of sex. Nevertheless, I saw on my feed that on. the cover of Rolling Stone is a young. woman who I'm assuming is a pop star. called Sabrina. Now, I don't know much. about the culture anymore because, you. know, it rejects me. I reject it. Like, and but she's just sort of wearing like. a porn outfit and like stockings and. we're already in the sort of we're deep. into examining the objectification of. women and what the consequences of that. objectification might be. Outside of.

exploitation and abuse and criminality, all things that we all know and. understand to be wrong, is the potential. that environments that casually invite. us to objectify one another, might be, whether subtly or majorly, contribute in. to the idea that we are all here to just. take from one another and that we can. indeed fulfill one another. And part of. my own slow, weary, near tectonic growth has been the.

understanding that people cannot fulfill. you. Not just in obvious ways like if. you're sleeping around a bunch like I. was for many years or having male. friendships where people are primarily. there to serve you like like in one way. or another make you feel good or work. for you in some way. that that even you. with your own children and your own. wife, if I'm not facing God first and. foremost, I'll look to them. unconsciously to make me feel better. I. want my little children to cheer me up. or my wife to protect me from this.

world. It's only when I am confronted. absolutely with the futility and. hopelessness of that way of life that I. will finally in brokenness and humility. accept that I do need saving and that I. can't be saved by fame or money or sex. or drugs or power or flattery or even by. things that super like you know that. that seem that they would have more. value duty love all of those things. unless undertaken in faith unless. undertaken through a love of him will. also run dry eventually. release. So.

like, yes, of course, Hollywood, like. before I get ready for a little name. drop here. Um, I was friends with David. Lynch. I was like, you know, he he was. big in transcendental meditation and. I've always been curious about states of. consciousness and ways of accessing the. mystery of like, you know, I'm a drug. addict. I'm interested in mysticism. Always have been. And I loved him. I. thought he was a genuine artist and a. brilliant man, a genius in fact. And he. said to me once, "It's the light, Russell. Why are we in Los Angeles? What. is it?" He said it's the light. The.

light is beautiful. Now you think about. film making cinematography, the. requirement for excellent natural light. is absolutely paramount. And for him, such a purist, such a clear artist who. was absolutely dedicated to what he did. You know, he wasn't there to pick up. chicks or get high. He was in it because. he wanted to tell stories about the. nature of consciousness, the nature of. dreams, the nature of the dynamics. between a suppressed violence, the. violence concealed behind domesticity, systems of conformity and control. The. very fact that Lynchian has become an.

adjective tells you that this was a man. who was telling stories in a sublime and. brilliant way. And when he said that. about the light, it made me realize or. at least reflecting now I realize that. what it is is a place of false. luminosity, false light. And what is. Lucifer? The counterfeit, the emulator, the accuser, the great deceiver. That. the stories that a nation tells itself. about itself form that nation's psyche. and soul. You'll see that in the type of. actors that become stars, the kind of. stories that are told, the obvious pagan.

um the worship of godlike figures in the. form of superheroes, obviously, and the. and the ongoing battles between good and. evil and the way that those arguments. are uh are handled. So, a figure like um. Lynch and and a claim like that tells me. that yes, for geographical or even I. don't know, reasons of luminosity, it. became a place of significance. But it. it intrigues but doesn't surprise me. that long into the history of the. institution of Hollywood have been has. been a deceptive agenda. We all know.

that they have relationships with. government institutions or. organizations, we all know there's a. global agenda, an imperative that plays. out there. And whilst we can recognize. something like Epstein Island is like a. kind of um what do you want to say? A. kind of ground zero uranium of sexual. blackmail across the whole culture. It. seems all of us are being invited to. participate in some way or another in. shameful acts through pornography and. hedonism or sleaziness, stuff that's. just just the normalization of porn. the. normalization of a cult that tells you.

that you can resolve everything by. pursuing your desires, by serving. yourself. And I suppose I'm very. fortunate that through my own lack of. selfworth and my own longing, but also. my own industry and my own ambition and. my own sense that there's something. worth pursuing. I got to be inside that. organization for a while and I got to. experience it and I got to know as Jim. Kerry brilliantly said, I wish everyone. could know how fasile, how hollow, how. empty it is, but also how people are. captured there. People aren't going to. come out and go probably, you know, I.

saw your interviews with Harvey. Weinstein. Like people aren't going to. say, look, he probably did a bunch of. stuff that was wrong, but it probably. the fact is it was culturally normal. what he did. That's what I'm kind of. guessing. and that probably most famous. men in Hollywood three four times a year. make settlements for claims and it's an. industry it's like it's become. industrialized blackmail normalization. of hedonism a peculiar establishment. that helps look that in the people that. observe it makes as feel as I remember.

before I was in it thinking oh I'm not. good enough or maybe I could live that. life maybe I could be famous maybe I. could be sleeping with lots of girls or. that would be lovely wouldn't that be. fantastic and then when you do it it's. kind of empty and vapid and shallow and. awful not to say there aren't brilliant. and wonderful people there. I can think. of a dozen marvelous people that I knew. there. But the its cultural impact is. ultimately malign. It's like the COVID. jab. Looking back, did it do more harm. than good? Did you get it? No. And like, of course not. Thank you. No, of course. not. I mean, everyone was rolling up.

their sleeves and were like marching. like it was totally fine. I thought it. was the strangest thing I've ever seen. It was a full uh global simulation. It. was I felt like I was watching a a a. show. I was so removed from it because I. was already very awakened to and I'm not. just like anti-COVID vacc. I'm antivax. full stop. My kids are not vaccinated. and but fortunately God blessed me by. allowing me to be injured by a vaccine. when I was 20. And so I woke up pretty. quickly and cuz then I researched I was. like why did I even get this random. vaccine? Did it make you racist? Did you.

turn you into a black? still suffering. from these you got it quite bad. white supremacism anti-semitism side. effects may include and I got all I got. them all so but I'm grateful for well no. but seriously that I think that is what. happened um I was I went to get the. gardax knew nothing about it just went. to the doctor said you should get this. it prevents cancer you just trust your. doctor it's just one of these things. where you just go well a doctor would.

never do anything wrong you don't think. I think I was 19 years old when the shot. came Now you would never at that time. unless you had been raised, you know, without vaccines think anything other. than doctors as like their own kind of. gods. Like if a doctor says it, it must. be true. If the doctor is doing this, they're not motivated by profit, which. they are. Um or the insurance companies, which they are, or the pharmaceutical. companies, which they are, where they're. provided all these incentives, but you. know, I marched in, got the shot, instantly had a mini seizure in the in. the office. And if this was a. three-part, this was a three series shot.

and the doctors were just sort of like, "You shouldn't, you should discontinue. this series." But then I realized I have. no idea what I just put in my arm, like. what I why is this happening? And then I. researched and went into the statistics. of what they were saying, what they were. promising. And I it just was very clear. to me that everything was a lie. Like it. was just a total simulation. And from. that moment on, I was weary. I was. became a skeptic of vaccines. And the. more I researched when it came time to. have our first child, I was like, we are. not vaccinating our child. Like I I have. looked into every vaccine and all of it.

is all of this illusion, this fear. And. so I was very keen um because Kennedy, he was the only source I had. If you. were a mom and you didn't know, you. know, information about this vaccine or. like I was just interested in Gardil. He. had the only website, the only. organization that was doing work that. way and he was catching a lot of Pete. for it. So it was it was very brave of. him to do it. Yes. Isn't he children's. health defense? Yeah, the children's. health defense. And you know, because. I've spent and had the great privilege. of spending some time around Secretary. Kennedy, what I know is that he is a.

person that is willing to take risks and. that he is guided where possible because. all of us have many many ambient threats. to deal with I'm sure by the highest of. ideals. I met some of the moms that were. around him and like you know that the. way that Bobby got involved with. vaccines is like moms with kids with. autism that they intuitively as mothers. felt like that's come from when I had. that procedure and like Jenny McCarthy. bless her be one of the first people to. speak out on it. Yeah. Yeah. Like you. know don't you feel like when you become.

a parent Candice that there like there's. something that you feel like I don't. feel like it's right to do this like. your trust is challenged something. sacred and powerful kicks in. and you. understand immediately your duty is to. protect this child and you feel uneasy. You might do it if you're if it's. recommended or if you have you I like. you see you describe the blessing of. having a personal incursion that led you. to be cynical about vaccines. For me it. was much more generalized. I don't trust. authority. I've had so many encounters. with authority where the people that are.

going to be giving me me information are. lying. The people that are meant to be. upholding the law are breaking it. The. people that are meant to be making. judgments are lying and are biased and. are not at all objective. It just I. don't know how that happens to I'm just. some normal kid from grade Essex in the. south of England. And somehow by the. time I got to, I don't know, 20, 30, whatever. I knew that. I knew don't. trust authority ever unless it's sublime. divine authority. And good luck working. out where that is and when it's false. and when it's real. So like that that's. what informed my decision there as well. as some people being kind enough to. explain to me the the sort of the.

origins of many vaccines the misnomers. and misleading stories told about the. successes of even some of the more. celebrated vaccines polio eg um but like. no one has made the sacrifices that he. made Robert Kennedy coming from that. family the successes he's had in. environmental law his personal. brilliance and his willingness to put. himself out there and I would say Like. even though obviously there is. complexity with having uh this current. administration that and like any. government it seems to me there are.

shortcomings and challenges and failings. and people obviously on what would have. once been known as the left will be. decrying almost everything that's. happening now from tariffs to. deportations to what's happening in the. Middle East. But one thing I kind of. sort of I hold on to and cherish almost. as if at the foot of the cross is well I. know Bobby Kennedy's is a good man and I. know he's going to do the right thing. and then he wipes out 17 advisers then. he appoints Robert Malone and then they. make you know he is someone that I have. no trouble believing in. Yeah. You know.

I think I worry for every person that. goes into office because we know how. sophisticated going back to Epstein how. sophisticated these blackmail rings are. And you know it's my belief based on. just things that I've read and learning. about just how infiltrated how. infiltrated we are. I'm talking about. even at the university level they are. gathering intel on people on the basis. of what schools they go to. You know you. think you're pledging a sorority and you. know pledging a fraternity and next. thing you know they've held on to. blackmail because they thought that you. could be someone someday. Entire. families that they are focused on.

because of their legacy. Maybe the. Kennedys. I find myself not certain that. I can trust anyone once they get to DC. that there isn't just a file ready and. like, "Hey, we know you did this when. you were 16 years old. Sorry about that, but here's how you got to vote." And to. have. some people who are just obviously. blackmailed, I would say, is people like. Lindsey Graham who just like I've never. seen someone my personal belief, again, I have no evidence to that effect, but. just the way he just dances for war. It's bizarre. It's just he loves war so. much that I'm like, "Okay, what do they. have on you? This is just weird." Do you. think there might be, aside from. missiles, another phallic-shaped object.

that Lindsey Graham is quite prone to. that he's keen not to have in the public. eye? I think there should be a war. Yes, a warhead. A thick, juicy warhead with. uranium sputtering out all over my. chops. War. War, I tell you. I'd like to. relax and dilate into a war. I'd like to. reverse myself into a war. Sorry, what. are we talking about again? I'm sorry. Oh, it happened again, Mom. I just. spilled my muddle milk. Oh no, the tummy.

worms escaped again, Mommy. And now I. just told Jesus another lie. The tubby tadpoles are loose. The tummy. tadpoles are loose. Um, so if in. conclusion, if you could give more money. to Northrup, Grumman, Rathian, Lucky, Motting, and Boeing, then no one need to. know how I pass the evenings. Well, that's exactly you said it. You. said everyone was thinking it and you. said it. That was a hypothetical. example. Hypothetical hypothetical.

example. Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. That's it protects you from. everything. My lawyer about Lindsay. Lohan, right? Lindsay Lohan allegedly or. something, someone. But yes, it's so. obvious and you're like, "Okay, clearly. we know that people we know." But I. would just kind of respect the person. that came forward. And I think one day. there will be the individual that says, "Hey, listen. I did this awful thing. you know, I was high on this and they. got me on camera doing this and I just. want you guys to know that and I can't. consciously vote this way because I'm. being blackmailed. I think all of DC is. run by blackmail. So, I I don't have any. faith in the system even when people go.

to DC that you believe in. Something. seems to happen when they get into the. swamp and it's just I've seen it. People. flip that people that you truly believe. in. And so, I've kind of removed myself. from politics in many ways and and then. you just lean into faith. You know, that's the only real faith. That's what. I'm doing. It's the only thing that's. real. We can trust the Lord. We can. trust in put our faith in him. He faith. in him will cast out all fear. He is our. strength and our song. He has given us. victory. I'm tired of leaning on my own. understanding of reality. I'm tired of. trying to work this out all the time. I'm tired of trying to understand why.

these things are happening and those. things aren't happening and why people. are fallible. You know, as you one. becomes more familiar and versed with. scripture, Candace, it doesn't it all. just make the most tremendous and. obvious sense. We're broken. We're. fallen. We find it hard to listen to. God. We keep rebelling against God. continually. God loves us. God wants us. to return into his embrace. And we find. it impossible because we are attracted. by the false light, by the false. luminosity, by the glamour, by the urges. of the flesh, by the mental devily, and. by worldliness. Even things that I.

thought would not make sense to me. you. know, reading like the Old Testament, I. thought like, you know, when I became. Christian, I thought I'm not going to be. delving into Lamentations and Jeremiah. and trying to make a good fist of. Samuel, but actually like everything. that I'm reading, it works. simultaneously on a near mythic but. historic level that in the same way that. geometry, music, and maths could be seen. as a language that go beyond the. parochial limitations of English or.

whatever other PTOW you may happen to. articulate in that there's a deeper. truth available in scripture if you will. allow it in. Now, of course, anything. can be utilized to leverage control, to. oppress, to distract, to lie. And. there's no question that the church in. all of its sects and denominations has. committed abominations, atrocities even. in some cases. But our Lord remains. illuminous, incandescent above. and by.

the covenant of his blood. Let me drown. in his blood. Let me gorge on the. Eucharist. I don't want to live my life. in faith any different than I live my. life as a drug addict. I will want to. live absolutely perfect honesty, perfect. truth, aspiring after it, knowing that. I'm fallen, but knowing that it is done, that it is finished in his name. And. there are such things as saints. And I. understand that only the really sick. people become saints, Candace. So, I. think both you and I are in with a shot.

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to these things and I have just always. been a little I guess I should say. I don't want I want to make sure I use. the right word here. Good. About time. you started paying attention to I've. been watching this for months. I was. unsure. Where's the guy with the. mustache? That's what I want to know. I. thought you were the guy with the. mustache and the conspiracy theories. I'm supposed to be allegedly. We could. warm up. We could warm up, but I could I. would say is that I was unsure. I I was. slow to the I love Elon Musk party. And.

this gets into I was also pregnant. I. swear women's intuition goes up when. they're pregnant. There's a thing. Yeah. You get weird dreams. I'm sure your wife. did when your wife is pregnant. Just. very weird dreams, very specific dreams. I don't know. Um, and you just feel a. bit more connected and and there I just. was slow to the Elon Musk welcome party. Grateful for what we did for Twitter. Obviously, no-brainer. Um, we we really. did almost lose Twitter. I'm going to. call it Twitter because I can't say I. exed like when you send a tweet when you. do. It's still like I tweeted, right? So, I'm going to say Twitter. Um, but X. and I appreciated that. And then I kind.

of saw this adoration, this sort of. adoration that suddenly conservatives. had and he kind of became and I would. say like they kind of turned him into. like a demigod, you know, and he could. do no wrong and he's at the White House. and now his kids there and everyone's. like applauding this and I go, "Wait a. wait, wait a second. Have we checked in. on what his values are like who this. person actually is? Or are we just. saying you had so much money that you. could afford X and that's it? And that's. all that's required um to get into our. good graces, which is wealth. And does. that make us any better than the left?". And the left, I would say, worships. celebrities and worships Hollywood and.

like Taylor Swift writes a post and so. there therefore they vote. Same thing, different side of the aisle in my view, the way that I was looking at it. And. then this blowup happens last week or. the week before. And I was just. wondering what your take was on that. blowup as you're watching that from. across the pond. What were you thinking. about this kind of battle of the egos, if you want to call it, between Trump. and Elon? And then suddenly Elon just. dropped some Jeffrey Epsteines tweet out. of nowhere. I was watching Doctor. Strange Love, the Cubric movie about the.

advent of nuclear power and the. impossible and improbable responsibility. granted to military generals and. presidents alike. What Cubri's genius. accompanied by that other great British. genius Peter Celis demonstrates so. wonderfully is that even when dealing. with Armageddon and the apocalypse, human beings are frail and fallen and. broken. This is illustrated to great. comic effect in that movie. Oh no,

someone just has a bad day on the. military base or comes up with a theory. or notion and decides that they are. going to let loose nuclear warheads on. Russia. And the story sort of unpacks. how ridiculous it is that anyone would. be granted that authority. It's a kind. of anti Oppenheimimer where Oenheimimer. sort of studies from a kind of sort of. earnest and intellectual perspective the. morality of coming up with a weapon and. what would you do to stop the Nazis? Is. it okay to kill baby Hitler? those kind. of sort of parlor game intellectual.

musings about moral philosophy. What. what you get when you don't approach it. seriously but you promote approach it. comically Candice is Elon Musk is a. brilliant man a very brilliant fallen. man. Donald Trump is the man clearly the. world inverted commas needed for this. time. Where I got to even as you say as. a communist is that my mistrust and. loathing of neoliberal. marionets and pretenders hiding behind.

faux morality who wear every single. judgment you could tug a thread. You. know, Hillary Clinton shrill and. outraged about the Qatari jet and yet. the Clinton Foundation taking millions. from the very same United Arab Emir. nations just makes you almost yawn at. their lack of morality. Well, what I. would say we're living in now is an age. of a revival of national po national. nationalist populism to act as a. bullvver against globalism. And it's a. good a prophylactic as people are likely.

to come up with. Forgive the word. I. know you're a Catholic. And I um and. also the the other thing is a kind of as. you suggested in your question the. elevation of brilliant but obviously. limited because they are men to. positions of outrageous power. Now I. would any day take an Elon Musk over a. Jeff Bezos or a Mark Zuckerberg based on. the limited amount I know about any of. them. Elon Musk may be a great genius. when it comes to technological.

innovation, marketing, the understanding. of the require I mean it's a long long. portfolio of excellence that he has. access to. But I would say that when. people like Elon, not people like him, he's a unique and as I keep saying. brilliant man. when anyone has access to. that amount of power, I would want to. start looking at the structures of power. themselves or the institutions. themselves because I don't think anybody. is capable of yielding that much power. particularly with the way that the world. operates now. Look at the revision.

that's taking place around figures that. you just would have irrefutably regarded. as unreachable irrable rather geniuses. Churchill, like a sort of magnificent. hero that sort of almost burned himself. on the altar of war. Uh Martin Luther. King, a person who had allowed himself. to be consumed by the civil rights. struggle. Gandhi happy to be martyed for. the freedom of India. All broken, all. flawed. Gandhi, oh he slept in a bed. with his nieces. Martin Luther King was.

having sex with his secretary. Winston. Churchill was an alcoholic and. overplayed his hand in dresdon to the. detriment of the German people. Well, guess what? they're not perfect and. perfection is not a standard that's ever. going to be attained by any human being. So perhaps look at how you institute. systems and if they're not a reflection. of divine and holy values, you will come. across the same flaws and failings that. human beings always come across. Hubris, uh love of power, false idolatry. Scripture is full of people that for a. moment have the holy hand, whether it's. Saul or Solomon, but then turn again to. their own power. for you or I can we be.

confident even with the limited power we. possess through the screens that people. watch us on now that I won't fall again. that I'm not consumed by the fact that I. feel like I'm being unfairly attacked by. deep state authority authoritarian power. media conspiracy albeit it's a gun I. loaded through years of clumsy foolish. consensual promiscuity how can I feel my. human fear around those ideas and keep. focused on my own fundamental irrelevant. acceptance how to how I may serve you. I.

know you have challenges in your life. You've had an extraordinary ascent, brilliant relationships, brilliant. alliances, some of which have not worked. out. And you're a mother and a wife and. a woman, and you're going to have to. deal with your own fallibility. Thankfully, the one thing both you and I. have elected to do is turn away from. self where possible, albeit falteringly. and failingly, and towards Christ, and. to focus on what we are told, not what. we just deduce and make up. I'm told I'm. I'm married. That means I'm married. That means I'm with my wife now. I'm.

with my wife when I'm walking down. bleeding Broadway in Nashville last. night. My daughters and my my daughters. are at my side and my son is in my arms. and I'm with my wife. There's not a. moment where I get to say, "Oh, it'd be. nice to look at some pornography. It. would be nice to cash in on some female. attention. Those days are long, long. gone and good riddance." But you know, I. sometimes hanker after outrageous power. In fact, just before everything kicked. off in my country, I was thinking about. running for mayor. There was a mayoral. election in London. And I was just. starting to talk to people about it, whether or not I could get some sort of.

like, you know, populist pseudo. celebrity sort of rush to minimal local. political power in in London. And some. might argue that London could do with a. a populist mayor that's sensitive to the. needs of working people, aware of. Britain's national identity and some of. the challenges that city faces. But. that's not the way that it rolled out at. that moment in time. And in a way. perhaps that's a great blessing because. I'm a deeply fallible flawed human. being. I'm malleable and foolish and.

hubristic and the best I can do is like. our great teacher and leader Paul own. that. Own that maybe maybe in our. weakness he may be strong in us. Maybe. if we're willing to be sacrificed on the. cross that he can be reborn in us. Maybe. then we can be a vessel for his power. Because if it's coming from Russell it. will end up being selfish and foolish. and broken. And to to know that is at. least to know something. I think one of. the things I struggle with with a lot of. these characters that are being kind of. put into the forefront throughout this.

administration, whether you're talking. about Peter Teal, who's very close to JD. Vance, or you're talking about Elon. Musk, who was in there for a moment, is. I've I've begun to view everyone through. the lens of family. Um, and if you think. about Christ, when we say, okay, well, we're leaning towards Christ, you know, we're we're finding our faith. We're. leaning into Christ. Well, what what. would be leaning into the Antichrist? What is Antichrist? Just kind of. breaking that down. What is Antichrist? Right. Self um anything that aspires to. destroy or pervert the family unit, I. would say, is is quickly behind it,

right? Because there is to be. Christlike. You're talking about I'm. with my wife. I'm with my kids. Say. about why I really appreciate Tucker. Carlson. It's how he lives his life as. he as he leads his family, right? Um my. grandfather was the same way. I think. it's if if there's any reason why I. turned out like I did and and have the. values that I have is because of my. grandfather. My grandfather was like. Lord and then family you know faith. family and I worry about this sort of AI. automated future that I think that we're. barreling towards. Um where we have.

these people that are interested in. shaping the future of our countries but. to what end if they don't aspire to. family right and this kind of you know. Elon Musk impregnating so many women via. IVF. That's weird to me. I just find. that to be weird. It makes me. uncomfortable and I can't explain it. where I I just don't want someone who. thinks the future is us, I don't know, being robots, you know, is that really. is that what we want? Have we stopped to. consider what how these people are. living their lives and what that. actually means? And so that's something.

that I worry about is is it just seems. to me that there is this very. intentional. um race towards an automated future. And. I think a lot of these guys are playing. a part in it. Sam Alultman, Elon Musk, Peter Teal. And because we view. ourselves as left versus right. And so. if somebody good about Trump, we're. like, "Yeah." If somebody says, you. know, something good about Camala. Harris, you're like, "Yeah, we're all. in." That we don't necessarily stop and. pause and say, "Okay, but actually, where do these people stand on Christ?".

And and what I'm and I'm saying there is. truth. Where do these people stand on um. this issue, that issue? Are they. Antichrist or are they for Christ on. these topics? And that might be where I. find myself a bit of an orphan at the. moment. I don't think you're an orphan. I think you're a beloved daughter on on. that basis. And I think it's an. excellent tool. I was thinking about. what Christ has said about marriage and. certainly I feel that scripturally.

life without family is possible. He. himself was a celibate single man albeit. a god man. And I feel that in marriage. we can emulate the church's relationship. as a whole with our spouse. And. certainly I can see the many benefic. benefits of the institution of marriage. and I am the privileged recipient of. those benefits thanks to my beloved wife. Laura. But I would say that your point. about Christ or Antichrist as the.

spectrum upon which we are all moving is. an accurate one and a good means of. assessment. When people as is customary. and somewhat popular these days make. claims that the cultural legacy of. Christianity is with value of value. I. like the architecture or I like the. morality or the idea that life has. meaning and value and that we're sacred. and because we are made in his image. because we bear his hallmark his. molecular signature that when George.

Orwell describes a boot stamping on the. face of a human being forever as the. ultimate dystopic image. He is. describing the state's tendency and. desire to scrub away God's signature. across all life, across humankind, and. across nature. I would say that the sort. of tower of babel component that's. within technological progressivism is a. great cause for concern and. constonnation. And yet our Lord uses the. image of the yoke which would have been.

technology once to be bound together. with him to walk his steps with him. His. yoke is light. The burden is not hard to. carry. If all technology might be used. like this yoke in the service of walking. with our Lord, then Neuralink could be. fantastic. Then AI could be magnificent. Then rocket ships could be glorious. But. my sense is that from as long as there's. been technology, the technology has. almost by default ended up in the hands. of the most powerful individuals and.

institutions and been utilized for them. to maximize their power and to preserve. their system. Any system whether it's. the human anatomy or a virus or global. economics has its own self-preservation. as its utmost priority otherwise well. that's the obviously its terminity is. assured. So I would say that this myth. of progressivism under which we've long. toiled which requires that we forget. perhaps deep history forgotten and lost. worlds that we may have once inhabited. so that we can all toil labor and.

continue to worship under the illusion. that it's never been like this before. Whether it's penicellin or Tesla, we're. roaring onwards. And now we know that a. woman's place isn't in the home. It's in. the workplace and you can do what you. want. And we're the gods of our own. bodies and we're the gods of the vaccine. and we're the gods of the molecules. You. can snip off that and stitch up that and. you can do this or that or whatever. because you are god cuz there is no god. This idea that we're advancing somewhere. that there is a telos and that we're in. control of it. that I believe to be the.

ultimate devil worship because what it. has done is it's posited that human. rational power the power of the. individual and our collective power I. suppose is democracy the idea that a. mandated mass is equivalent to a god is. that what the proposition is is somehow. superior to the divine authority of our. creator God the father our triune. relational god our god that sent his. only son the son that gives us the. advocacy of the holy spirit that that. power can be user that that power can be.

ignored that that power can be emulated. and replaced and people make. intellectual claims abundantly and I. don't feel like they fully know what. they're saying and even that he says. from the cross forgive them they know. not what they do when the claim is made. that we will solve disease that we will. solve poverty that we will occupy Mars. that we'll do this or that it we are. advancing from a point that we should. never have left we are marching. forthright out of Eden not turning back. to glance at the flaming sword I don't. think we're advancing at all no I I. think that's one of the great illusions.

And I wonder I I I when I take a look at. the world today and I look at the. ancient civilizations that were bombing, the old church structures that were. bombing, I see this very intentional. darkening darkening of mankind. I. actually think if you want to get into. my conspiracies that the enlightenment. was not an enlightenment. I think it was. the darkening of mankind. I think. something happened. There was some sort. of a great reset in about 1850. And if. you control the textbooks and you. control what people know and they tell. you, "Oh, well, it was so terrible and. everybody was dying. We don't know. We. have no idea." And and I do think that. there is um we have removed ourselves.

from the source like we've removed. ourselves from God in so many ways. And. I mean even when I realized and this is. like a small thing that happened in my. life so this is totally anecdotal but. when I moved down here and Tennessee and. I was like okay well I want to start to. to grow stuff like I'm from New York. City. I want to learn to like grow. vegetables and kind of went outside and. realized I had no idea how to do that. I. had no idea what agricultural zone I was. in. I didn't know what could grow. And I. said and this is advanced civilization. I can't feed myself. I don't know how to. grow uh and and drop a seed out. And. then I this this older woman who's got.

like 26 grandchildren helped me and. she's like, "You just put the seeds in. the dirt and here's what grows here.". And just this spiritual awakening that I. had that I was an absolute idiot, you. know, for all the fancy things living in. New York City, okay, if the electricity. went out, they would die. They would all. die, okay? And they are the brightest. minds. Oh, they're so bright. They're so. smart. They have these cars, you know, these cars that can drive by themselves. Oh, so you're saying they can't drive? Like, you know, so the people, we're. going to get to a place where we don't.

know how to drive. We don't know how to. grow our own food. We don't know how to. take care of our own children. I mean, even the idea, and this is another thing. I thought about recently, obviously, because I'm exclusively breastfeeding my. my infant. And I'm thinking to myself, I. I I sent a a text to Brett Cooper who. who I used to a former colleague of mine. and I said to her because she's. pregnant, think about the fact that they. created this environment where women are. paying. going to the store and paying for. formula and this is now a household.

expense, right? Formula because it's. easier, you'll be able to get to work. That's something that your body just. produces for free. I mean, we're really. quite dumb. If you spend a lot of time. thinking about it, we're idiots. Our. grandparents were smarter than us. Think. about this all the time. My grandfather. could go outside. He knew every, you. know, this grows here, that's poison. He. could look at it and tell you if you had. a burn, a cut, he knew what he could. pull and fix. And we have none of that. knowledge because we've given it to. these gods, these doctors. And what do. we get for it? We get vaccines. We get. kids that have never been sicker. You're. telling me that society has advanced and.

kids are allergic to oxygen. I mean, I'm. I'm being facitious a little bit, hyperbolic, but these kids are allergic. to everything. They're like peanuts and. tree nuts and now they can't allow sea. nuts and and D-nuts. And I'm going, okay, kids are allergic to everything. and you're telling me that this is. because there's been medical. advancements. Women don't know how to. feed their own children and I stopped. reading the internet of telling me how. to do. I'm like, why am I asking the. internet like how often I should feed my. in this is so weird. I'm in some weird. ass simulation where we've let go of our. our instinct, our our divine instinct.

And so, no, I actually think this is not. progress. And I think that when you get. these tech lords that come in and tell. you how great it's going to be when your. car is going to be able to drive itself, I just think no thank you. Excellent. You're describing degeneration. Degeneration almost by definition is a. decomposition down to the smallest unit. That's what happens when things. degenerate. If you degenerate down to. the level of the individual, you have no. cohesion. You have no elders. You have. no wise woman that's going to tell you.

how to grow vegetables or and encourage. you how to look after your children. No. multi-generational. relationships, no true family, no. community. Ancestry is so important. It's Yes, you're quite right. You're. quite right. This idea of dependency is. important because we are 100% dependent. on our Lord and Creator. Again, St. Francis regarded dependency in its uh I. understand in its Latin root. I'm. certainly obviously not a scholar of. Latin means hung upon and St. Francis. apparently would sometimes like a.

landscape artist stand upon his head to. look at the vistas to get a new. perspective so that he didn't so he. began to question his environment. So. suddenly the masonry and tall towers of. Aisi looked suddenly not solid and. permanent but but by the very fact of. their weight hanging upside down. The. masonry and towers look suddenly. fragile, elegant, delicate, capable of. falling. If you've ever looked at. Jupiter and his moons through a. telescope, you will see that it looks so.

fragile out there. These vast entities, these great spatial objects hung upon. the moment. Once it would have been. natural for us to depend entirely on God. to have moments of recognition, acknowledgement and prayer before every. meal, before making love, before. embarking on a business negotiation. Now. all things are profane, everything. desacralized, everything cast out. And. yet look at its results. We have created. new gods. We are dependent now on the. state. Uh when back in the glorious days.

of my communism and anarchy that you. disrupted that faithful day on that. visit, I was familiar with an anarchist. saying that um we have been deskkilled. There was a time where men would know. how to fix their car, women know how to. make food or you know and of course that. I'm not saying that you have to be. entirely defined by sexes in in matters. of that nature but the idea yes that we. don't know how to feed ourselves. They. want to create false dependency. What is. our natural state with our relationship. with God? Dependence. We are dependent. on God. They want us dependent on them.

You are right. We're one solar flare. away, one power cut away from savagery, from the savagery that in a sense. legitimizes their control. Not only. that, Candice, like think of what is. unconsciously being inculcated that your. body isn't a sanctuary, a temple. Did. you not know that your body is a temple? Your body can feed your baby. Your body. is perfect. You don't need to give that. job to Nestle or encourage you to. pollute it. you know, you're drinking. and making it sexy, like, you know, wine.

culture for women, which is obviously. aimed at like, oh, it's so classy if. you'd have a glass of wine. I mean, I'm. just so conscious of this stuff now. And. I'm telling you, mankind is growing. increasingly incapable, increasingly. inefficient, and at the same exact time. that we're being told that we've never. been more efficient. I'll give you. another example anecdotally is, so I was. going to this cafe every day when I. lived in Philadelphia. And I every. single day would drive, I would put it. where it was in my GPS, and I would. drive about 3 miles to it. I got about. six months and I realized I don't know. how to get to this cafe. I keep putting. it into my ways and I keep looking at.

the phone to drive this cafe. But like. I've been doing this for three months. I. should know how to get to the cafe. So. one day I said I put my phone away and. try to get to this cafe and I had to and. within two days I learned how to get. there. Well, I've come so reliant on the. tech go left here, go right here that it. could pause what for 6 months I've. driven to a cafe and I don't know where. it is on the map. That's getting dumber. Tech is making us dumber because we're. becoming more and more reliant on tech. which then creates a problem when you. have these tech lords who realize that. like they're selling us it's going to be. easy. It's going to be so much easier. Just let let ways do the thinking for.

you. Even AI, the answers have been so. wrong. I I play this game with my. husband. He's like, "Well, this is. supposed to be a really good AI." Um and. I don't remember which one it was. They've all got their own names now. There's Grock, there's this, there's. this guy, whatever. Um and I said, "Well, let's ask it a question that we. know the answer to." I mean, I have so. many times it's been patently wrong. about me. What like would you ask it? Well, so there was for for whatever. reason when Grock first got started, it. was convinced I was Jewish, which is. quite hilarious. Sorry. That my husband that my husband. was Jewish and they got this information.

because all it is obviously it's. scraping information from the internet. So that just means that it gives the. same power to the New York Post and if. they say something is true, then it's. true. So if you say is cano. anti-semitic, well, what has been. published the most? Is it a yes or a no? and they'll explain to you why it's true. based on scraping the data from the. people that have the most power to. create the data in the first place. So, it's nonsense. Yeah, people were arguing. with me online telling me that my. husband was Jewish. And I was going, but. he's not. I mean, it's fine if he is, but he's not. And then at some point, they realized and then they the AI. corrected it, but people will be relying.

on that and going, well, it's it's AI, so it can't be wrong. And it's like, no, it it can be wrong. Okay, if if it had. scraped all the data during COVID about. whether the vaccines were safe or. whether the vaccines were going to keep. you safe from COVID, it was going to. tell you yes, you have to think like you. have to do this by yourself. You cannot. rely on technology. It's making us. stupid and I am it's one of the things. that concerns me the most. It's like. people can't even read. They don't even. have the attention span to sit down and. read a book cover to cover anymore. Our.

children are becoming increasingly more. dumb with every generation. And so I am. like I think the greatest generation was. my granddad's generation. You know, I. think we've kind of gotten really stupid. since. Yeah. But we needn't yield to it. We needn't yield. We can be fueled. again. There is a revival happening. We. are participating in the revival. Do you. know how to grow your food? Even now, I'm going to go straight from here to a. garden center. I'm going to buy myself a. packet of carrots. I'm going to empty. whatever sacks of fertilizer Lindsey. Graham is carrying in his trousers by. whatever means he prefers. And I have no.

opinion on what that might be. and I. will grow me some carrots and I'll paint. a missile like shape on it and I'll give. it right back to Lindsay and Lindsay you. can put that wherever you want to. darling. Yeah. Have you ever hunted? But. do you think about that? Like if you. just turned off all the lights wherever. you live in in England if they turn off. all the electricity like how long are. you surviving? Listen I am friends with. Bear Grills. Bear Grills is a bold. Christian who remained friends with me. even as the very nation itself turned. like a sort of a yping praying mantis to. devour one of its great sons. Me in this. instance. And and I I would say that um.

not good enough. Not good enough. But. listen to this. It's what they want to. create. The modalities are safety and. convenience. We're we're going to keep. you safe and this is for your. convenience. These are the tools that. the beast will use to lure you in. It's. not going to tell you I'm oppressing you. because I'm a sort of a new bureaucratic. Hitler. I'm some fusion of Orwell, Kfka, and Huxley offering you sort of a. comfortable uteral safety. the. distraction of the soma and the unending. bureaucracy and shifting rules and the. lawfare and the confusion. No, of course.

it's not going to tell you that it they. want, I believe, Candice to turn the. whole world into an airport full of. checkpoints and measures that are. continually undertaken, rituals voided. of meaning, voided of ceremonial power, continual hollow removal of shoes, take. this vaccine, sign this, declare your. obedience to this. Only then when they. have created an environment where. sterility and sanitary conditions are. above all else, then then they can do. conduct whatever final experimentation.

of population reduction they're. interested in. Because the truth is I. believe that the epochs traveled thusly. Agricultural revolution maners nature. Industrial revolution maners matter. Technological revolution maners. attention and consciousness itself. They. want absolute control over attention and. consciousness. The problem is, of. course, that you have to multiply. agriculture by industry because then you. got industrial agriculture. We're moving. so far away from the time where you. might say, "Do you know what? I'd like. to check out of this system. I'd like. our own community where we can grow and.

rear our own food, trade where only. necessary, use technology. Perhaps we. will use cryptocurrencies to parallel. trade and parallel barter and use the. miracle of modern contemporary. technology to maximize the freedom of. the individual that we may worship God. that we may live by God's principles not. by the deacto false idols mollocks and. bales that they're setting up for us to. worship. Because if you can have Airbnb. and aggregate empty hotel rooms and if. you can have Uber and suddenly you can. centrally coagulate and yet somehow. democratize the taxi cab all for the.

offshore profits of various companies. that benefit for it then surely this. very same technology could be used to. run communities to have true democracy. and if what people want is nationalism. they can have it and if what they want. is Sharia law they can have it and if. what people want is LGBTQ plus gender. fluidity then they can have it. People. can live now in communities according to. their will. Me, I will follow the path. of Christ which includes non-judgment. and wherever possible trying my best in. all my failing to move towards love and. forgiveness and loving one another as he. loved us. That means up to the point of.

death if required up to the point of. death. And this then might mean that we. can diffuse some of this ongoing never-. ending constant cattleing clap trap. cacophony of argument that defines our. culture these days and move into. something like a solution which it seems. like you're ready to do that your family. are ready to do that my family are ready. to do and like why do we want to. fetishize the areas where we disagree? Why do we want to fetishize that? I'm it. don't actually matter to me what all. these movie stars or geopolitical powers. are doing. just would like to be able to.

happily grow a carrot, tend to an. animal, and raise my children according. to my beliefs. Yeah. You know, I think. one of the biggest answers to society, and I say this as a a former feminist, you know, when I was young, of course, I. think most people when they're younger. are on the left and I was a feminist. because of whatever I was learning in. school that caught me up in that. feminist simulation. And now that I'm a. mother and it it I think it's just quite. evil. It's like it's the thing that. gives the women that gives women the. most clarity, the most perspective, the. most wisdom. It the happiness of the.

family unit and you're being told, "Nope, nope. You got to compete with. men. You don't want to have children. Suspend children for as long as. possible. Take all of these horrible. toxic birth control pills because, you. know, you need to have control over your. body because men don't have to get. pregnant." And when I reflect on that, I. just think this is such an intentional. evil. This is not by accident. You know, this is when I talk about these elements. of Antichrist, right? What are we. talking about here? You're you're. telling a woman, you know, she's got to. compete with her own. She's got to be at. war with her own biology. You know, in.

order to stick it to the man, she's got. to be at war with her own biology. And. at the same time, you're telling men. that they have to act like women, which. is incredible. You're telling women to. act like men while you're saying to men, being masculine is toxic. It's toxic. masculinity. These terms that get you to. reject your nature. And anything that is. at war with nature, it's necessarily, of. course, at war with God. And so I think. deeply about that and there there are so. many things that I've done since I'm say. really the last years that I've done. because I recognize how wrong my prior. perspectives were. I mean even like.

going and learning how to hunt in Africa. the importance of actually catching your. own food like you you must do this you. must do this at one point even if you. don't keep this up it how sacred that. process is and how it brings you so much. closer. I don't even like shop at the. grocery store anymore. I go to the. farmers market. Like there's something. that is more spiritual about that. experience of knowing the farmers and. the ranchers. And then when I see how. we're all being driven and we're told. this is for your convenience, you know, this experience is for your convenience.

The grocery store is for your. convenience. And no, I think it's it's. it's very intentional and it's pulling. us away from like I mean there's just. the spirit the the spirit of Christ. What do we do for like say women that. will find being a mother difficult? Because obviously it is very difficult. It is difficult. And how do we then. afford that? Or what about um women that. don't feel that that's their identity or. their role? How do we create a culture. that accommodates lovingly the variety. within these general categories? You.

know, it's really interesting. So, I've. yet, of course, I've met tons of women. who say, "I don't want to have kids. I. want to have kids." And then typically. what happens, I would say for the. overall majority of them is they hit. about 28 years old and biology just. comes online. like when they when they. uh speak about suddenly a woman realizes. she's looking at a baby and they've. gotten a lot cuter. Something happens. biologically in your mid20s where that. changes. Um but I think for the women. that that doesn't change for the first. question I have is like what birth. control are you on because there have. been all these studies that show because. what are you doing when you're when. you're on birth control? You're stopping.

your body from going through this. natural process. You're becoming. something other. It's like it's other. than what you would feel naturally if. you were not loaded up with all of these. pills. It's not a natural thing for a. woman to go, I just don't want to have. kids. It's a natural for a man. Procreation is the most natural thing in. the world. What are we doing here, right? If we're not procreating and so's. gone wrong, I think. And then for the. very few, and I mean I've maybe met one. person in my life and it's truly because. of trauma that they suffered that they. don't want to procreate. It has more to.

do with I think I'm going to become. this, which I think a lot of people go. through. Am I going to be like my. mother, like my father? Why didn't my. mother want me? I'm I was adopted. whatever that is, that's typically a, like I said, a trauma that needs to be. resolved. Um, and I I don't push it on. anyone because I everyone's on their own. journey. I just know what happens on the. other end of that. The women, you get. these examples like Chelsea Handler who. like wrote a book about how funny it was. when she got all of these abortions who. and and I genuinely feel so sad for her. where she now openly speaks about how. she's on all of these anxiety pills and,

you know, trying to find meaning in her. life and meaning was was given to her. twice. And you wrote a whole book about. rejecting that, you know, rejecting that. meaning. And so I feel I feel very sad. for people like that because I then I. think what do you fill that cup up with? And that's not to say, of course, many. people are struggling with fertility. issues, but they want they aspire to. family. It's so natural to want to. procreate. So when you find somebody. that doesn't, I just go, okay, what's. going on here? I have a lot of questions. and not up for me to answer those. questions or to pry any further. But I I.

think it's important for people with. families to speak out on the gift of it. And yes, you're tired. It's exhausting. and uh I'm I barely slept last night, you know, I've got an infant, but that. exhaustion, the difference between going. behind and sitting behind a computer and. working for the man and because your. infant is crying because you're the only. thing that makes sense to him, like I. hope you realize how beautiful that. exhaustion is. Like there's such beauty. in in parenting that you you can't. really describe it to people until until. they get there. Yes, we have abandoned.

so much. It's like we have willingly. taken on the manacles and shackles of. worldliness being told that it somehow. represents our freedom when lain upon. the earth as it says in the Gnostic and. non-cononical gospel of Thomas is the. kingdom of heaven that it is available. to us and that isn't the same as a kind. of bland homogeneity that there are a. variety of ways that a woman might be a. mother or a man might be a father or. elect not to follow that path at all but.

it is nice to know that we're not living. in a postmodern relativistic world where. anything can be true and that you might. decide on this truth or that identity. that there is a purpose a teology that. there is a a force a cradle a holding a. heralding that's taking place and. certainly my personal experiences since. becoming a father have been oh right. like that mad delusion that I toiled. under that what I am and what I want is. the most important thing in the world.

and whether that means I've got to. become famous or earn a bunch of money. or control what other people think about. me or make people laugh the whole time. I mean, it's it's kind of difficult to. shake off that programming entirely. And. I revert to it sometimes. I'm selfish a. thousand times a day, I'm sure. But what. I at least have now is an understanding. that there is a path, that there is a. way that appears as we walk it through. him. that if you wear his yoke, if you. walk alongside him. If in the moment, moment to moment, you seek first the.

kingdom of heaven, then righteousness is. given to you, that I can be a father to. my son and to my daughters, and I can be. a husband to my wife. I can I have some. purpose here in the infinite and the. unknowable. Why would you accept their. gods? Why would you accept their gods of. consuming? How come what are people. doing? Are we waiting for our last gasp. before going, "Oh my god, I just spent. my whole life worshiping the sort of. illusion of who I thought I was or what. I was supposed to be doing when it's all. here abundantly." It's not to say that.

it's not frightening and fraught with. trepidation and even the just sort of. mundane business of being the father of. Mabel and Peggy and Herby. Sometimes. just a an exhausting weight, an. exhausting weight. But usually there's. some lessening. There's some part of. myself that I need to let go of. Some. selfish thing that I'm holding on to. that needs to be relinquished for me to. be the man they need me to be. Yeah. Men. need to lead households for a reason. I. mean, the changes in my husband from.

when we got engaged to when we had our. children is just incredible. You can't. even I couldn't even find the words to. describe it. I think just the weight of. realizing like I'm a father. Like I. think men need that weight of I am a. father. Think about like that's like. incredible. and now my actions are going. to impact this child. And especially. when the children kind of come into. their own and they understand like the. father because they at least I have. three boys and they think that like my. my husband hung the moon and the stars.

like they're convinced you know it's. like he's just like daddy I mean daddy. daddy daddy like it's amazing and that. weight of that of well your children. think you're just perfect and you're. Superman you're this and everything's. fantastic. You need that. You need that. weight to push you to be a better. person, I think. And so it scares me. when people say, "I don't want children. I don't want family." Even if people who. say, "I don't want children." You don't. want family. You don't want a husband. You don't want somebody else to be. accountable to. That's what What does. that say about you? You don't want to be. you want to be accountable to nothing. and no one but yourself. Probably not on.

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I've seen you talk about and I'm. fascinated by your work and I admire it. and admire the way you conduct yourself. is like say like say something like. Blake Blake Lively. I don't know even. what that means Blake Lively but like so. and and say something like I obviously. know what Justin Bieber is because I I. like Justin Bieber. I feel for him. I. feel like in a way he's the first ultra. modern celebrity coming out of YouTube. just being sort of latcheted and. parasited and pulled apart and he's. clearly going through something sort of. profound and powerful and I've sort of. pray for him and pray that he gets the. protection Lord that he uh that he.

evidently needs. Why is it that you've. got more interest in celebrity stuff and. how is it like I like it when you do. these investigative things. How is it. that you sort of forgive the wording. really get yourself into get your teeth. into Bridget Mron's [ __ ] or something? How is it that like those stories sort. of capture your attention and what is. this sort of shift in you? I know that's. a somewhat political story and it sort. of pertains perhaps the globalist. blackmail and those kind of things but. the celebrity ones. Maybe you'll. explain. Yeah. Well, so there's a couple. of things about the celebrity ones. The. first thing is, you know, I want people.

to wake up to what Hollywood actually. is, right? So when you see people like. Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively and oh. it's so glamorous and it's perfect and. then you get this person who just drops. all of the text messages and the. plotting and you know the narcissism. It's important for people to see that. you know to to recognize um if you will. just who these who these people actually. are versus hold them up as moral icons. So what is it? Blake Lively has had an. affair or Ryan Reynolds had a go. That's.

incredible. No, they just kind of they. just tried to kick a puppy. I mean there. they she was doing a movie signed on to. do a movie. The guy Justin Baldoni was a. major fan of hers. Loved hers. He was I. mean he self flagagillating to get to. get this woman on get this woman on his. film. He cared deeply about the book to. bring it to life and he wasn't obviously. an A-lister. I had never heard his name. before this. Sorry. Um, and yeah, I. guess for whatever evil reason, Blake. and Ryan wanted to take over his whole. his whole little film production and uh. how they orchestrated this with their.

star power like you manipulating them. like we're friends of Taylor Swift, we'll do this, we'll do that. Reading it. was quite stunning is the first thing. and it it provided a a an opportunity. for us to really say this is what. Hollywood is like behind the scenes. You'll never see this this closely. again. But the other element was this. was how she tried to do it was with this. fake, you know, she came out and plotted. with the New York Times to come out with. the story that he had, you know, sexually harassed her on set. Well, unbeknownst to her, she said, you know, this we were filming this scene, but. there was um no audio. Well, unbeknownst. to her, there was audio when they were.

running this, so he then dropped the. audio and she just lied. I mean, it's. just it's just crazy that she just. literally to take this guy down was. going to just me to him for funsies. And. he's like, if you go through his. Instagram, he's he's literally like the. nicest. He's just like, "How can I be. nicer to women?" Going back and. examining myself. He's got this. beautiful little family and we Why him? I don't know because he was weak and. they could do it, right? Um, and so what. scares me about that is that I have. three sons. So, I'm very invested in. cases about the Me Too, but that kind of. attaches why I'm interested in the. Harvey Weinstein case, even though. Harvey Weinstein was definitively.

immoral. Um, cheated on his wife and. stands for did a lot of things that. stand against what I believe in, but he. didn't rape those girls. There's no. question in my mind that he didn't rape. these girls. You read the emails, it's. crazy. This was what it is. Tail as old. as time. I've got power. You're sexy. What's the trade going on here? And they. wanted parts. And then when their. careers didn't take off and it became. became, you know, um advantageous for. them to play the victim, they did it. I. don't like the me too movement. Okay. If. you want to be a prostitute, be a. prostitute. But don't re [ __ ] on that.

deal when you don't become Angelina the. next Angelina Jolie. And so the me too. issue is very important for me as as a. mother to three sons. Um there has to be. justice for men. You can't just you. can't just call a man a rapist or. pretend that you were sexually assaulted. because you want something whether. that's money success um uh or to write. your own consciousness which I think in. the example of Harvey Weinstein you know. someone said to me if he had looked like. Brad Pitt they probably would have been. fine with it but they kind of were like. I'm doing this thing I'm sleeping with. Harvey Weinstein what do I get in return.

and they got nothing in return for it so. I don't like these things and so the. Blake Lively case is a mixture of the me. too movement and also just being able to. shine a light light on Hollywood. Babylon. You don't like phony morality. That's it, isn't it? It's like when. people are pretending to be moral and. there is no morality. Well, obviously. I've got some sort of personal. investment because I've, as you. obviously were, cuz thanks for sticking. up for me, been accused of untrue, really serious sex crimes. Um, and I. suppose I can't go into it with too much.

uh detail and you've not asked me to, but the fact of the matter is is that I. recognize that my behavior was morally, you know, you shouldn't be sleeping. around if you're certainly if you're a. really successful person, it's really. easy to sleep with women and there is a. power imbalance there that that a man of. God would be wise to and would not. exploit. But that I think is very. different from overriding people's will. charm and fame are ways in which. people's will is directed like and all.

the time they just you know and you grew. up with these women I I was working in. New York people see a celebrity they. flock to that celebrity women are. willing to just so they can say I slept. with Leonardo DiCaprio and I slept with. Russell Brand I I I know what it means. to be a woman and by the way that is. that is an exchange it's a power that. women have right beauty what is the. story telling. over and over again. Men will lose. everything because of a beautiful woman.

And and people are learning that lesson. the hard way. You know, this is the the. Helen of Troy. Let's launch the thousand. ships for this woman. And so men are. flawed when they see a beautiful woman. And women consciously know that. They go. into these situations knowing what. they're doing. And in reviewing the. Harvey Weinstein situation, it was. challenging for me because I assumed he. was guilty. Yeah. Because there was so. much media coverage. I'm like, well, there has to be something. There's so. many women were speaking out. And then. when I actually got down into it and. looked into it, I was going, "There's no. way they convicted him on this." So they. have all of these emails. You got raped.

and then for 5 years you just kept going. to see a rapist and and emailing him and. saying, "I love you." And it's like, come on. It's defying common sense here. And so I'm I'm sickened by it. And the. fact that Gloria Alra is at the center. of it. I I think Michael Jackson told. the truth about her. He was What did he. say? Well, he was very much he named. names including Rabbi Schmoolie, strangely enough, and and very much. implied that this was a gang that was. operating and uh we'll never know beyond. that. He had a list of six people uh. that he had had issues with and Gloria.

Allred was on it. And I think that woman. is a viper and and you know, she should. know that hell is an eternity. And so. your your wins here. you think you're. taking down people, branding people as. rapists, a sexual accuser, so that you. can get money and more power for. yourself, you will meet your maker one. day, too. So even when you're talking. about stuff that's somewhat celebrity. oriented and say scintillating, you're looking at what false morality.

underlies it and how it's exploitative. and where the power is in it and the way. that new morality is often masking. itself as virtuous when underneath it. Yeah. I suppose. All right. So the this. one of the things that became really. obvious in co this is a thing I thought. about again lately is the what. underwrites the idea of massive. sanctions during COVID get in your house. 6 feet apart wear a mask take the. vaccine is human life is sacred and. anything we can do to protect human life.

we must do and it's only when you. reflect on how those are not the values. that the culture sets it up sets itself. up by or abides by that you realize hang. on that can't have been true there must. have been another reason what they were. also saying like you know let your. grandma die alone. So, it's anti-f. family, okay? It doesn't matter. Stay. away from your family. It's dangerous. Tell on your neighbors, you know, like. no sense of community. Um, and we can. keep you alive. We are a man and we can. keep you alive. So, all you have to do. is turn on your screens and we'll tell. you what to do and hop on one foot at. the grocery store and we'll keep you. alive. What is it? It's Antichrist. That's why I was just like, "No, didn't.

wear a mask. I did I hung out with my. family and friends." Like, I'm not going. down that way. Like, I am just to me I. will stand against that sort of. authority because I can see things like. that and people were putting you. Dr. Fouchy signs in their yard. I mean, like worshiping this man in a way that. was terrifying and willing to call and. tell on their neighbors and willing to. allow their parents and their children. to die alone in a hospital for fear that. you might catch a vir invisible virus. Um, and willing to roll up their sleeve.

to submit their bodies. I mean, there. was an excellent article cuz George gets. the Spectator UK. The Spectator UK is. very good and I wish I could find it. I. know it was written by a woman and she. basically said this bears all of the all. of the markers of a religion, right? You. know, there's a they're sacrificing. They're doing this. They're doing that. They're they even have what they're. wearing. Like it's on a yarmaka. They're. wearing the mask. Yeah. It's amazing. It. was f it was a great read. I should find. that article. George will have it. upstairs somewhere cuz I was like, "This. is fantastic. You should keep this.". Yeah. Secularism is a religion. I. suppose if you create a culture where. people are not willing to die and kill.

for what they believe in but are willing. to be herded unskilled from one socially. appointed ritual or right to another. consuming waiting to die then that's you. what you have is a kind of a hive of. manageable individuals rather than. equipped awakened men and women that. know how to hunt, know how to feed. themselves, know how to fight, know how. to protect themselves and one another. and believe ultimately in eternal truth. Recognize we're here temporarily. We're.

going to die. So, we're not going to. spend all our time here just trying to. cling on to it, making it depending on. that which is temporary instead of. rightly depending upon that which is. eternal. The first thing you have to do. is dismiss the idea there is no God, there is no Christ. What we have is our. religion, our faith, our orthodoxy. Yeah. And that's why Sam Harris lost his. mind during co because he's a committed. atheist. He tours around the world. speaking about atheism and debating. people and this is why God is not real. And so when he thought he could die and. this was it, he lost his mind, lost his.

marbles. He's like, he was in a fragile. mental state real the idea of dying for. an atheist, right? And so he was willing. to submit everything to the state. He. was telling everybody do this, do this, do this. This is how we're all going to. stay alive. It's scary. You know, it's. it's and by the way, there is no such. thing as an atheist, obviously. And Sam. Harris showed us that there's such thing. as an atheist because he bec joined the. Church of CO in 4 seconds. you know, he. replaced his god with the authority of. the state um and participated it. everybody like religion is natural,

right? And so if you're going to tell me. that somebody doesn't believe in God, tell me who it is and I'll show you who. their god is, right? I mean, why do you. think you have these like protesters, vegan protesters, the things that. they're willing to do, right? To make a. statement that people shouldn't be. hunting. And you go, okay, so that's. your that's your faith. Everybody has a. faith and that's yours. sacred there. because it's a connection to something. eternal and divine. Yeah, you can't have. anything. All there is is nihilism. People misunderstand the argument.

against atheism is people seem to think. that what the claim of religion is is. that oh you think that without God I. can't have ethics and morals. It's like. no without God you can't claim that your. morals or ethics are based on anything. other than what you think. And lo and. behold, look how they changed. The left. used to believe this, now they believe. that. They used to believe in free. speech. Now they don't believe in free. speech. The right used to believe in. this, but now they don't. Because you. can't make gods of man. You can't create. permanent. You can't create false idols.

You can't make a god with your own. hands. God is here all pervading, ever. present. The very thing that you use to. deduce there isn't a god is God. Your. sentience, your awareness, your. participation in eternity, the fact that. you live at the altar of the present. moment, that is God in real life action. right now. And when you use that. facility, that great gift of divinity, that divine spark and flow, that living. water to denounce and deny God's own. existence, you are participating in. false idolatry and devil worship. Without God, you can't make a claim for.

animal rights, for women's rights, for. the environment, for anything because. nothing means anything. There is no. meaning other than that which we derive. from the observation of patterns. And. the very fact that there are patterns is. a further indication of the hallmark of. God. Because otherwise, would you why. would you recognize mathematics or music. or geometry? What would these things be. across the infinite blur? What would. these p patterns amount to? So there is. no argument against it. And this is a. revival. I think we're in one and we. are. And that's why I'm actually against. psych psychiatry. And I don't know if. you've ever gone down the Sigman Freud. rabbit hole. If you haven't, you should.

The modern psychology mommy. Oh, it's. give us a line. Mommy's looking sexy. Oh, it's so much worse and it's so much. darker. And mom does look sexy. If you. do enough coke, oh my god, I think I. would have sex with my mother. His. drugs, drug addiction was the least of. it. Was the least of it really? Yeah, it. really was. It's there. What about Yung? Um, well, I haven't read anything about. him, but I know that he kind of departed. from him. Archetypal ctography, there is. a delime, sublime, inaccessible great. mystery. Well, that is accessible.

Actually, it's permeating everything. But Freud, the what the cocaine and and. mommies looking hot under, you know, covering child pedophilia for all of his. homies that were pedophiles. Sure. Um. 10,000% real by the way. Yeah. Yeah. Uh. discovered in the Freud archives by the. director and then he tried to ring the. bell and the psychiatric community was. like, "You must not do this. This is. going to this is going to ruin. everything. It's going to show that like. we're just all frauds and we're making. stuff up because we want to um actually. have we see ourselves as gods and we. want to have access to people by telling.

them what their selves should be. I. think it's you know, you go to psych. psychology. I know it works for some. people in therapy, but a lot of times. it's all about you, you you you you this. self. And sure, you can come across a. good I'm sure you can come across a good. psychologist and a good therapist, but. more often than not, a lot of the ills. that we have in society say are because. people are constantly being validated. validated across from the psychologist. and this is who you are and this is what. you are and that's how we end up with. transgenderism and you can actually be. 20 different selves if you want. Um, and. there's no tr there's no truth. Everything's subjective. But I I had.

wondered with this struggle that cuz I. think it conflicts. I think modern. psychology conflicts with Christ because. it was intended to uh to conflict with. Christ. Um if you get into what Sigman. Freud believed in, but I wonder if that. was kind of the struggle that Jordan. Peterson was having with committing to. Christ. It's like wait because. psychology tells me that I'm able to. comprehend and I would love to ask him. this question. You know, I'm able to. comprehend the mind. I am my own God. I'm in control. I would imagine that a.

psychiatrist or a psychologist would. really struggle um to submit themselves. to Well, you know, it isn't obvious to. me at all, Candace, that that God isn't. real. Abs. Absolutely. I mean, of. course. Yeah. I mean, really good. I. started to feel like it was being. disrespectful to him because I do this. is one of the things that I'm thinking. in this space that we occupy where we. have these voices and this access where. you're doing so incredibly well where. you're so potently brave and brilliant. where you're such an example of all that. is wonderful and wise and bold and.

sometimes capricious in the feminine. that I wonder Candace if we can. deliberately participate in the unity of. his church in love that I was told that. we need truth. In fact, in the Ephesians. prayer, the belt of truth has to go on. first. We have to gird ourselves in. truth before we receive the grace of the. breastplate of righteousness before the. good news can be on our feet and the. shield on our arm and the sword of the. spirit in our hand and the helmet of. salvation that can protect us from.

nefarious thoughts. What I wonder how we can be in this. space that derives so much from conflict. and argument and not glean into it, you. know, like what the spats and the. rivalry. I don't think it's rival. I. think it's what I'm hitting up on there. is actually something that you and I. were just talking about how difficult it. is to submit. Full stop. No matter who. you are, how difficult it is to submit. Man versus self is is the most difficult. struggle, right? And that's why I. thought about how interesting it is like. this is the struggle. It's it's versus.

your own mind, right? And so I think. that entire field is saying, well, you. now comprehend the mind. You can't ever. comprehend the mind. You I can never. comprehend my mind. It's constantly. having to check yourself and check your. ego and submit and and so I'm I'm. thinking about it more philosophically. of like this. It's it is a struggle to. accept that you are kind of nothing, you. know, in a in a way, you know, you're. kind of Yeah. That's hard. It's a tough. pill for anyone to struggle. That's why. I'm working so hard. Look at all these.

things I've done. Yeah. And I and that's. why I think it's like you in Sarah. Marshall. Marshall, but that is that is actually. what brings I think what could bring. everyone together. It's like we're all. so hung up on that ego and believing in. our title, actor, PhD, you know, doctor, I mean, whatever it is, graduated from Harvard, Oxford, whatever. it is, it's very hard in and especially. in this matrix where we we give out.

accolades for those things like you are. an A-list actor. You even have lists. now, A-list, Blist, Clist actor. Which. one are you? Are you D-list? Are you. Meghan Markle's a D-list they say and. this person's this and not in the. alphabet anymore. I mean hieroglyphs. almost like a drawing of like sort of a. bloke with a bird's head like that you. know. Yeah. People just love yourself. It is still you're still A-list but this. is the point and I think it's hard for. us especially like I don't know just. coming out of what did you go to. university? Did you get a degree? We're. constantly looking for these kind of.

meaningless things to tell us. Hey, if. you ain't read The Great Divorce by CS. Lewis yet, you should read it because it. seems that the struggle that we have in. embracing and entering heaven is our. unwillingness to relinquish our. attachments to our human identity in. just the manner that you're describing. that CS Lewis describes in an imaginary. journey from hell, which is a gray. dreary place actually rather than. spectacularly horrific. They go to. heaven and everything there is sort of. hard and like it's almost like you would. not more ethereal. Brilliant uh authoral. choice by CS Lewis. Everything is denser. and stronger and harder. They encounter.

entities and angels there as well as the. other denisens of this hellish region. that he describes the bus journey from. and the arrival in heaven and many. people can't anyone they're all invited. to be in heaven come come to heaven come. and be in heaven but people are like no. I'm not letting go of that they're like. sort of caught up in their relationship. sometimes they meet people that they. knew on earth that like yeah I know but. I loved you like everyone's willing to. relinquish and enter into paradise the. obstacle to paradise is our. unwillingness precisely to let go of. that identity that we've got an altar. and on it might a personal accolade or.

some form of personal identification or. identity. And if you can't let go of. that, then you're in trouble. That's why. isn't identity politics ridiculous? Because instead of saying you are. important, you're beautiful, you're. perfect, yes, you are valuable, but not. because of some temporary characteristic. because of the vessel you inhabit, you're divinely important because you. are made in the image of your creator. And you're part of this family and. you're perfect and you are loved and you. are forgiven. Come, come in, come in. No, I'm staying here. I want to stay. here. I was in Sarah Marshall. like. you're like clinging on to some crap.

trick. We all do it and we all do it and. that's kind of the point and I think. like we have to you you have to kind of. experience that you I always say like. you know you got to recognize that you. suck a little bit you know it's good to. just that's why I love having sisters. because they just keep me humble you. know oh my sisters yeah they we make fun. of each other all the time we don't take. we don't take ourselves so seriously you. have to and toddlers will especially. keep you checked if if you think that. you're anything hang out with some. toddlers they say everything that's on. their mind the first thing that's on. their mind about how you look this that.

Um, and yeah, they like to pick. something off you, don't they, a. toddler? Like if you've got something on. you, they'll pick that off. And. actually, something I I meant to text. you was somebody had commented when I. had covered your situation in the UK and. said that they thanked you for their. actually said it was her daughter. I'll. send you I actually screenshotted it, but forgot to hit send, but like. basically her daughter owed her sobriety. to you. And I just thought that was of. everything that could have been said. about you like, "Oh, I love him and. this, love him that." like this is like. such a beautiful thing that she was.

sharing the story in a very long comment. about how her daughter just really. struggled and then like I don't know why. I don't know if you maybe if she watched. a podcast she wasn't clear on what it. was but she owed her sobriety to you and. she said that she saw you at like she. was in the same because you did the 12 I. think you 12step program whatever it is. and something that you said or did there. completely changed her life and I was. like this is the most beautiful thing. I've ever read and I don't know why I. didn't hit send I think it I have ADHD. or something but I screenshott it so I. have it on my phone I'll give it to you. it might be that vaccine injury you've. making you making you forget. This is so.

beautiful, but I didn't send it. I don't. mind. Moved on now. But there are a lot. of people that said that in the comments. about you and I think that's the highest. compliment that somebody can to I think. can give you. And I'm wondering how did. you by the way get sober? Like what was. the thing that And how long have you. been sober for by the way? 22 and a half. years. And I got sober because it got so. desperate. In fact, I'm an idiot. The. only way I do anything, the only way I. ever improve myself is through absolute. desperation and total breaking point. At. breaking point, I will stop drinking and. taking drugs. I will surrender to Christ.

if there is enough external pressure. If. I'm literally crucified, if I'm forced. to recognize that my identity is. temporary, transient, and impermanent. that I can't look after the most. important things in my life like my son. and my son's well-being and his medical, he had had heart surgery when he was. just born. And it was it just exposed me. to the limitations of my power, which. are narrow. How ridiculous to think that. I'm important. How ridiculous to think. that I'm like a god. How ridiculous to. think that there's any accolade that. anyone could acrue or acquire that would.

mean anything at all. So I was lucky. enough to meet people that knew that. someone like me could never take another. drink or ever do drugs. And the fact is. is that most people that drink and drug. take drugs addictively Candice are. indeed looking for God are indeed. looking for a spiritual solution. And. the 12step solution is a spiritual. solution. It focuses not on the. substance actually but on the self. It. tells you you're worshiping yourself. That's what you're doing. And in order. to sustain this mad system of worship,

you need to drink and take drugs. And. firstly, abstinence. Like once you force. someone who's a dependent on drug, dependent, look at that word, dependent. on drugs and alcohol, then you feel. terrible and bare and naked and raw. And. then you have to believe it's possible. that you can change. You do this. somewhat from the community, but also by. investigating yourself where you will. recognize that you've always known there. was a god. you've always known it. somewhere. Then you make a decision to. allow that God to run your life under. the guidance and tutilage of other. people that you know are acting on the. basis of these principles. That's why we.

have scripture. That's why we have. clerics and priests and people that are. ordained and that are able to carry that. that kind of weight, burden, responsibility and duty. So you admit. there's a problem, you stop drinking, you believe it's possible to change. You. make a decision to turn your will in. your life over to the career of God. You. belong to a community. You inventory. yourself and work out where you've been. going wrong. You have to be 100% honest. about everything you've ever done. Every. resentment you've got against other. people and yourself. There is an. ideology 12step recovery is a miracle. Actually, it is ordained. It is.

anointed. It is divinely inspired. It's. an American folk religion. In fact, that. is provides a perfect pathway for people. that are obsessed and attached. Cuz what. is addiction other than attachment? Attachment to pornography, attachment to. food, attachment to drugs, attachment to. sex. It shows you the way to bring those. full idols down and to recognize that. you were made for love, that you were. made for service. And it's a slow turgid. journey. But the people that are. addicts, they're devoted anyway. They're. dedicated anyway. They've got no choice. Where where recovery goes wrong is the.

same way that the church can go wrong. Is seeing itself as secondary to the. culture. When the church starts wearing. the livery and the flags of the culture. is in trouble, whether that's Nazism or. some well-intended liberal idea. if it. starts flying flags other there's only. one flag the flag of Calgary that's the. only flag that matters to a Christian. and I feel that the 12 steps is. miraculous precisely because it tells. you you are a spiritual being you've not. been told that you've been told you're a. material being and you're trying to. resolve that disjunct of knowing that.

the world is never enough that you can. never have enough food or enough sex or. enough porn or enough heroin to ever. fulfill yourself stop trying walk a. different path it's a beautiful. beautiful um system and I'm yeah I'm. most grateful for it. I think maybe for. people that are struggling with. addiction and there are so many people. that listen to my podcast that are and. whether it's porn addiction or drug. addiction or drinking um it I think it's. this they don't want to go through that. period of shame like once you're drunk. it's easier and I have no I have people.

in my family who have struggled with. addiction have never gotten over it and. so I'm always so curious when you see. someone who's done it and I'm sure. people that are still struggling with it. and you know you will be an addict for. life so it's like even if you're clean. 22 years you're still an addict right. what do you think is the like why are. some people able to do this and then to. speak about it and to provide such a. light to others to get clean while. others just you know 70 years old and. can't stop the addiction can't stop the. drinking is it is that fear of facing. yourself do you think in part that I.

think that the disease of addiction is a. perfect correlative to the idea of sin. in fact I see sin now as in self the. sibilent s of the serpent that coiling. crawling thing of sin to worship. yourself. Now, I think you it's. difficult to get clean unless you're. willing to take that first step. Some. people will fall at the first step. They'll tell you, we all recognize it. Some people go, I don't have a problem. with drink. I like drinking. It's okay. to drink. That's like if you can't get.

someone over that, you're in real. trouble. If they until they go, I know I. just can't stop. That's good. That that. acknowledgement. I can't stop. My life's. falling apart. Then you've got an. aperture there. Then you're ready for. the second step. The second step is, do. you believe it's possible? because I've. stopped. I don't do it. I used to drink. all the time. You meet people worse than. you. I was in jail for this. I done. that. I prostituted myself. I did this, that, or the other. And you meet people. that have such terrible, glawing stories. that tell you, I changed. I don't know. how I did it, but a power greater than. myself restored me to sanity. So, once.

there's an inkling of the possibility, they're ready for the third step. The. third step is, do you recognize you. can't be in control anymore? Something. else. It literally says, "We made a. decision to turn our will and our life. over to the care of God as we understood. God." It's extremely and explicitly. spiritual. People try to secularize it. and they can because 12step programs. wisely stay out of that debate of trying. to define what God might mean to various. people. But once you say, "I'm not in.

charge anymore," then you will be. willing to perhaps attend group support. groups. You will be willing to conduct. the written program. you will be willing. to start reading the literature. You. will be willing to consider helping. other people to start recognizing that. the problem's really been that you spend. all your time thinking about yourself, what you want and what you don't want, what you desire and what you're afraid. of. One thing the 12 steps don't do that. I would love to contribute is they don't. acknowledge that this isn't happening in. neutrality. It's happening in a culture.

that overstimulates desire and. overstimulates fear. In fact, those are. the two rods that it attaches to you. like some antichrist anti-sheperd with. its rod and staff of fear and desire. Instead of offering you comfort and. guidance, it offers continual. stimulation and it continually navigates. you back to self. The addict experiences. this in extremist. Most people, our. species in fact, are generally very. adaptive. Okay, we're living in a cold. place. We'll live in a cold place. We're. living in a concrete jungle. We'll live. in a concrete jungle. But the addict.

won't adapt. The alcoholic won't adapt. The alcoholic, the addict has to have. God. Has to have God. And if you don't. give the alcoholic God, it will make one. and it will worship it on its knees at. the toilet basin, the the steps of the brothel, anywhere. where there's some sort of stimulant. available. So the the the medality of. the 12 steps, it emerges from the church. and I believe it's going back into the. church. It came out of a group called. the Oxford group, which is a first. century Christian movement that wanted. to revive the principles of early.

Christianity. And I believe that what we. have a lot to learn, particularly at a. time when you, as you said earlier in. our conversation, the myth of. progressivism is falling apart. We're. being told we're progressing while we're. degenerating to the smallest imaginable. units. We're decomposing. That these. ideas, not only the 12 steps with the 12. traditions might permit us a pathway, new ways to organize. These groups are. incredible. No one's in a position of. authority. Authority is derived from the. consensus of the group. We discuss it. together. It has to be the expression of. the principles, the pre-stated. principles of the group, which are.

things like love, kindness, service. They're not wacky crackers things. You're not supposed to be prioritizing. making money. There's such a great. legacy and such great potential and. possibility. I'm very interested in how. it could help, for example, the HHS, who. I know have very bold ambitions for the. health of America. What makes a country. sick? What makes a country want to eat. disgusting, processed, poisonous, toxic. food? Well, mass marketing campaigns, wide availability, and economic. conditions and poverty and the avail, you know, there's There are obvious. causal reasons, but what is the sick. psychic scar at the core of it? Why.

would you why would there be a. pharmaceutical industry that wants to. treat illnesses by making them worse and. perpetuating them? Where is God in all. this? How are we going to rewaken the. spirit of our kind? How are we going to. overcome the petty distractions, the low. frequency quarreling and squabbbling and. agree on a grand vision that's going to. require unity under one God? maximum. democracy, maximum personal individual. authority. As long as that authority is. seeded to a higher power and as long as. we're running on principles like service.

and love one another, then we we have a. chance. We can't continue to default to. the closed system, the closed system of. self-service, false idolatry, self-. worship. That's exactly where this. system seems to want all of us. You. worshiping you, me worshiping me. All of. us oblivious and blind, staggering. around in the dark, consuming their. products, believing their lies, degenerating, incapable of feeding. ourselves and protecting one another. It. seems to me that the utensils and tools. and ideals lay all around us unused. And.

we just have to pick up our sword or. pick up our cross at least and follow. him. You know, Russell, I was thinking. about it and I've decided I will let you. into me and my husband's apocalyptic. group. Good. play this game where we're. like, "Okay, if we had to live off of a. land, who would we allow to come onto. our farm?" Because everyone's got to. bring something. This person can sew. This person can cook. This person can. hunt. And I was thinking, you know, at. the beginning of this conversation, I. don't know if Russell's going to be. allowed apocalyptic group because he. can't grow food. Doesn't know what. agriculture is. But I think you provided. entertainment. I could react. Great.

conversation, entertainment, doing a. water, baptizing people in the Yes. In. the water. Yes. that water that we're. probably washing our feet in that water. as well. Exactly. Exactly. You wouldn't. you wouldn't know much about the land, but I think I think I'm going to let you. in. Thank you for having me in your. apocalyptic cult. We'll end it here. [Music].