Candace Owens x Norman Finkelstein

The Economist magazine describes Gaza as. quote a human rubbish heap. The leading [music] UN official on Gaza. describes it as quote a toxic dump for. the people of Israel. Gazins are vermin. They're garbage. They're human refu. You guys were the ones that insisted. insisted that we all have a perspective.

on October 7th. [music] Then when we. looked and we pierced that veil, we. went, "Oh my goodness, how was I ever. perishial?" And now you want us to shut. up. >> There's a problem here. A billionaire. billionaire class of Jewish supremacists. are now flagrantly. using money as a blackmail weapon to. silence not just criticism of Jews,

but silence criticism of an ongoing. genocide. All right, you guys. I am super excited. about this conversation. Where do I. begin? I'll just begin with my personal. experience. October 7th took place and I. remember immediately after there was. sort of this peer pressure campaign to. get everybody to make a statement about. what had happened in Israel. And. frankly,

I was happy to make a statement about. how tragic those events were, but I. didn't I couldn't actually make a. statement regarding why these events. took place. Um, I didn't know what had. happened prior to that day. I didn't. know the history of the modern state of. Israel. And when I began a what I would. call a an honest inquiry into the. history of the modern state of Israel, I. felt that I was basically in a pressure. cooker. People that I thought were my. friends were telling me not to pursue.

this route. I didn't comprehend what. they meant when they said not to pursue. this route. They were calling me names, saying that I was flirting with. anti-semitism by wanting to read books. and speak to people that were on the. opposite side of that issue. And I got. into a lot of trouble, and I mean a lot. of trouble from people that I thought. were my friends when I hosted the person. who is now sitting across from me, Norm. Finkelestein, on my previous show. And.

the things that he told me about Gaza. were shocking. It was especially. shocking because this wasn't from. someone that they could easily uh. describe as anti-semitic giving us. history which he's going to tell you. about today. Very important discussion. Uh and he's also an individual that I. thought quite strangely none of the. people who were peer pressuring me were. willing to debate. If Norm Finkelestein. is wrong, and he could be, why wouldn't. the most prominent voices of the. pro-Israel debate be willing to sit down.

with him and have that discussion? We're. going to figure out why. Norm. Finglestein, welcome to my show. Actually, mine, totally owned by me, I. can host you here. >> Oh, thank you so much for having me on. the show. >> So, just in case my audience has not. been introduced to you, I would first. just sort of like you to and we're going. to get to your books, which which are. amazing to kind of tell them your. backstory and your credentials and what. happened despite the fact that you were. so credentialed.

The backstory is there's a personal. element and there is a professional. element. The personal element is that I. am the son of survivors of the Nazi. Holocaust. Both my parents were in what. was called the Warsaw Ghetto. The Warsaw. Ghetto was repressed after an uprising. in April 1943. There were about 20 to 30,000 survivors. of the Wasau ghetto uprising. and they were deported to Maiden.

concentration camp and both my father. and my mother were deported to Maidenik. My mother ended up in two slave labor. camps after Maidenik and my father ended. up in Avitz and he was in the Avitz. death march. Every member of my family. apart from my mother and father on both. sides, everybody was exterminated. There. were no aunts, there were no uncles, there were no grandparents, there was. nothing. Um, and my parents were for.

reasons not worth going into now. They. were decidedly on the left politically. And uh it had a very deep impact on me. growing up. And in a way, even though I. grew up in a lower middle-class Jewish. neighborhood, uh. I never quite fit in because of my. family background and totally different. mindset, I think. Okay, partially.

different mindset than my peers because. of my parents' experience. Uh in June 1982, we're fast forwarding. Uh June 8, 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon. and I got involved in the Israel. Palestine conflict. In my youth, it was. mostly the war in Vietnam, the civil. rights movement. Uh in 1982, it became. Israel Palestine. I end up writing my. doctoral dissertation at Princeton.

University on the theory of Zionism. And then in 1984, there was a kind of big national. bestseller quote from Time in Memorial. which claimed to reveal new aspects of. the Israel Palestine conflict that. proved Israel was in the right and the. Palestinians were in the wrong. I was. still a graduate student at the time and. I. proved demonstrate that this book which.

had the endorsement of the who's who of. the Jewish intellectual community back. then people like Robert Tuckman who you. wouldn't know Saul Bellow the novelist. they all endorsed the book and I am. widely credited with the one exposing. that it was a hoax. and uh from there on in. Uh I would say after having demonstrated. that this kind of humble graduate. student proving that all the luminaries.

were either promo were promoting a. threadbear hoax. Um from there on in I. would say I encountered difficulties in. my professional life. >> Amazing. Um so despite and you did. achieve your your PhD. >> Yes. despite this, wasn't there sort of. some frogus that happened where they. didn't allow you back or what what. happened at sort of the end of your. career? >> Well, >> academic career,

>> right? I would say speaking frankly and. believe me, at my age, I have no. interest whatsoever in invoking. [clears throat] pity. It's water under. the bridge. I never had an academic. career. I was in academia. It's called. being an adjunct. And an adjunct. basically means you're hired from. semester to semester. It's the. equivalent of literally the equivalent. of a substitute teacher ex in a public. school system except a substitute. teacher is paid significantly more than.

an adjunct. And I was never able to get beyond the. adjunct status [clears throat]. except one brief period at the pool. university in Chicago where by uh a uh. concatenation of events. I managed. [clears throat] to get on a tenure track. job, tenure track job. But when the. moment of truth came, I was denied.

tenure. And after that, because it was a. kind of national [clears throat] story, uh when I was denied tenure because. professor Alan Dersuitz of uh Harvard. University Law School made a determined. public. uh attempt to stop me. There was a big. editorial in the Wall Street Journal by. him. uh he made a very public attempt to. stop me. Uh after that that was 2008.

2007 after that I was completely. unemployed. not even adjun after that actually I. know this will come as a s it will. seemed kind of unbelievable I literally. couldn't volunteer to teach there were. places where in high schools uh a. charter school for example in East. Harlem where the father the principal. was a friend of mine and his daughter,

the principal, who was really wonderful. and she ran a tight ship that was a darn. good school. You could see just walking. through the hallways. Um, I said, "I'll. volunteer." No. No. So, at that point, after the Depool incident, uh, I was. completely blacklisted, but I never got. started. It never go the plane never. left the tarmac.

>> Well, I I do want to stress here as I. have been addressing on my show that. these schools are Soviet indoctrination. camps. I implore people to read Thomas. Soul's book about inside the American. education system. >> And what he is saying fits perfectly. into there. The point is to indoctrinate. your children. And if you do not have a. doctor, uh, so to speak, that is willing. to go into the classrooms and do that. indoctrination, they won't let them in. and and this is this this is absolutely. proof of that. Okay. So, I want to to.

sort of give the same background because. you were a major piece of me waking up. and realizing that I knew nothing about. Gaza. Could you just unpack for people. who are perhaps hearing this for the. first time? I think a lot of people. we've seen Israel support has virtually. collapsed, but uh and that's because of. the behavior that's going on with the. censorship has become so extreme in. America. But let's actually give these. people a background education like you. gave me when you came on my show of what. actually Gaza is, what is the history. there, what happened to these people uh.

in in 1948. >> Obviously [clears throat]. within the limits of an interview, it's. very hard to go through that history. with any kind of uh. >> well you have a book for it. So, I am. going to be a be a shameless promoter of. this because this is this will we're. going to give you the spark notes here, but Gaza, an inquest into its martyrdom. is the title of the book that will be. relevant for this. Uh, but here we're. going to give you some spark notes. >> Mhm.

Basically, if I were to try to summarize. it for the purposes of this. conversation, I believe the place to begin is 1948. The state of Israel is created. In the. course of its creation, about 90% of the. indigenous Palestinian population of. Israel was expelled. About 750,000 people. Of those 750,000, about 300,000. were expelled to Gaza. And that's when.

Gaza kind of became Gaza. It was um. right now of the population of Gaza. about 80%. are refugees from the 1948 war or. descendants of those refugees. Under. international law, a descendant of a. refugee is still counted as a refugee. So it's 80%.

a uh refugee population. and it's also about 50% a child. population. Now. um from the moment Gaza came under um. Egyptian administration after the 1948. war Gaza comes under Egyptian. administration. It's a very interesting fact when you. start going through the history. There are all these outside observers.

who go into Gaza either to work there. like under the opaces of the UN or just. to see the situation. And one of the. things that struck me was each time. somebody goes to Gaza, they they. describe Gaza as a huge concentration. camp. Now, this is still under Egyptian. rule. So, Elm Burns, the main UN official in. Gaza. He writes a book between Arab and. Jew. How does he describe Gaza? He.

described it as a huge concentration. camp. In 1967, during the June 1967 war, Gaza comes under Israeli control. In July 1967, the father of Al Gore, the presidential. candidate, his father was also a. senator. So Al Gore or Senator Gore. meaning the father he goes to Gaza. He comes back and he testifies before. the US Congress. How does he describe.

Gaza? He says Gaza is quote a huge. concentration camp on the sand if you. will. You now fast forward to 2002. One of Israel's leading sociologists, his name was Baroo Kimberling. He writes. a little book. Little book is called. Politicite. How does he describe Gaza? He describes. Gaza as quote the biggest concentration. camp ever.

2004, the head of Israel's National Security. Council. His name is Guora Island. He's. still around. He's active now behind the. scenes in the Netanyahu government. How. does he describe Gaza? He describes Gaza. as a huge concentration camp. Now bear. in mind, bear in mind this is before. Israel imposed the blockade of Gaza. It. was already a horror show. It's been a.

horror show since 1948. In n in 2006, Israel imposes a blockade. on Gaza. It decides what goes in. It decides what. goes out. It decides who goes in. It. disguise decides who goes out. They put. Gaza on what they call. a humanitarian [clears throat] minimum. diet. You know what that meant? It meant.

they calculated, literally, we're not talking about hyperbole now, poetry. They calculated the caloric diet. of everyone living in Gaza and they. admitted just enough food to avoid. scenes of starvation. That was 2006. We're not talking about. after October 7. They prohibited. baby chicks from going into Gaza.

They prohibited chocolate from going. into Gaza. They prohibited potato chips. from going into Gaza. They prohibited. condiments from going into Gaza. No. cinnamon allowed in Gaza. Why? They. wanted to create such intolerable. conditions that the population of Gaza. would overthrow the government that they. elected. So that was Gaza.

Now you come to 2006, October 6. Okay, you come to 2006. The Economist magazine, which you know. is not a flaming liberal magazine, uh it. describes Gaza as quote a human rubbish. heap. The leading the leading UN official on. Gaza describes it as quote a toxic dump.

60% of the young people in Gaza, the. people who burst the gates of Gaza in. October 7th, 60% of them are unemployed. All they have to All they have to look. forward to when they get up each morning. is to pace the perimeter of this tiny. parcel of land. 26 miles long, the length of a marathon,

5 miles wide. That was Gaza. It was. exactly what the UN officials said, exactly what Al Gore's father said, exactly what the head of the n Israeli. National Security Council said. They. were born into. they were born into they languished in. and they were destined to die in a.

concentration camp. It was like an. elephant burial ground really. And. when I. struggled after October 7th, I've said. this many times, uh, but it's a fact. It's not a drama point. You know, what. happened October 7th was awful. There's. no doubt in my mind about that. The. magnitude was significant. 1,200 people. killed about estimates, it's not an.

estimates, close to 800 of them. civilians, 400 uh combatants, Israeli. IDF members of the Israeli Defense. Forces. It's a significant number. Can't. get around that. I know there all sorts. of stories about Israel having killed a. large number. I've investigated as best. I can. and I'll admit, you know, there's still. room. on the margins for error, but I think. was overwhelmingly was committed by Hus.

And so, how do you how do you reckon. something like that? [snorts and clears throat] But in. politics, there are many levels. There's. the facts, there's your political judgment, there's. your legal judgment, there's your moral. judgment. And they don't come directly. from the facts. They do not. They go through many filters or saves. before you get a moral judgment.

And when I started to try to think it. through. uh I latch I I came upon in my mind the. Nat Turner rebellion. So for those of your listeners who are. unaware it was the largest slave revote. in American history. and um. Nat Turner he gave the order all the. historians agree on this. There isn't a. huge literature in that Turner but there.

is a literature they all agree in one. point he gave the order which he never. denied uh he did the famous confession. we don't know how much of the confession. is actually him and how much is the. person who was writing it but this part. seemed real the order was kill all white. people. kill all white people and that's what. they proceeded to do they went on what. you might call a 70 no no uh 48 48 hour. rampage, less than 48 hours actually,

and. hacked men, women, babies. It was brutal. It was brutal. Um, but then something struck me. One. historian, his name is Steven Oaks, and he's trying to understand Nat. Turner's motivation. Why did he do it? And he said, "Nat Turner.

was a very smart guy. There was no. question about that. The person who who. took down his confession, he said he was white. He said, "White or black?". Everybody agreed. Nat Turner was a very. smart guy. And then he said the historian now he. said there was this huge gulf for Nat. Turner very smart guy.

between what he aspired to be in life. and what he was destined to be. because he was a slave. That huge gulf. He knew he was smart. and yet he also knew as the historian. Steven Oaks put it that this. is only earthly existence.

He was born into. languish in and would die a slave. And that was the people the young people. in Gaza. They knew. You see, now Gaza is in the. news, but by uh October 6, 2023, Gaza had vanished from the news. I have made I have made the point. because I do believe it's relevant. I. had spent about 15 years just.

chronicling. the details of what's happening in Gaza. I began roughly in the early 2000s. and by 2020. I gave up. That's a fact. And I'm it was. not a fact I was proud of because I was. writing books. They were getting more. and more detailed. I mean, so micro detail.

and nobody was reading them. The last. book I wrote was called I Accuse. My publisher not happily informed me it. sold 370 copies. Of those 370, I purchased half of them. [laughter] No, it's a fact. Because it was about a case. related to Gaza in the International. Criminal Court and I was hoping to. influence the court through my research.

So, I was going to present it uh to the. I the ICC. Um but by 2020, I said, "Norm, you know, you have only. one life to live, and am I just going to stubbornly. persist in the face of the fact that. nobody cares?". And that was the situation in Gaza.

Gaza had vanished. from the political scene. By October. 6th, 2023, all the talk was about whether the Saudi. Saudi Arabia would join the Abraham. Accords. Nobody was talking about Gaza anymore. And so the people of Gaza. basically did what Nat Turner did. Now, here's the thing. Imagine.

an account of Nat Turner. that doesn't mention he was a slave. Just this crazy religious fanatic. He. was a religious fanatic. No question. about that. Now, now Turner was a. religious fanatic. He used the language of the Bible to try. to make sense of his condition. That's what a religious fanatic meant. You know, John Brown, who led the. insurrection before the Civil War, he.

also was a religious fanatic. He deeply, fanatically believed slavery was an. abomination. to the point that, you know, I don't. want to get off on a digression, but. when Frederick Douglas, the great. abolitionist, when he went to meet John. Brown, uh. Douglas comments in one of his uh he had.

three autobiographies. when one of them. he comments he just wouldn't stop. talking about slavery. [laughter]. He said he was boring. He was a fanatic. He was uh Johnny. Oneote John Brown only about slavery and. and um Nat Turner too. He was a. religious fanatic. But imagine if you tried to make sense. of the.

uh Nat Turner rebellion. by focusing only on his religious. fanaticism. like the religiously fanatical Hamas. only focus on that and not mention the. guy is a slave. >> or mention if it were the circumstance. for Nat Turner and it isn't or mentioned. the fact that Nat Turner actually the. rebellion was funded by money that one.

of the slave owners gave him that would. be something that would be important if. there was the BB Netanyahu circumstance. there or that you know the slave owners. received multiple warnings and for some. reason just decided to ignore the fact. that this rebellion was brewing I mean, there's a lot of things I've been I've. been to Israel and um it is Charlie Kirk. said it best immediately after because. he had been many many times truly. unbelievable. It's it's actually quite. scary because every 15 ft there's an. armed person. They take their security.

very seriously. They were I mean now. people are speaking out and I think a. lot more is going to come out um because. they have been censoring uh BB has been. lying, censoring, editing transcripts. I've been following the case against him. pretty closely because there are Israeli. publications that have been documenting. everything. Obviously, he's not. wellliked um uh by the people in Israel. they are they they were taken to the. streets to protest him. But it's it is. almost unbelievable. um that that circumstance plus when you.

add to the fact they intercepted a. document right way earlier that said 200. hostages were going to be taken by. Hamas. It's almost unbelievable they. ignored everything plus Egypt warning. them that something was happening on the. border. I I have never bought that there was not. um not that it took place. the course. took place and it was terrible, but that. there it wasn't intentionally allowed. Um, and I I truly believe that in my. soul after I saw the footage prior to. October 7th of BBNet and Yahoo, I'm not.

sure if you've seen this, but he is um. he thinks he's off record. He says, you. know, put the cameras down, like off. record, and he starts detailing a plan. where he's like, we got to hit Gaza so. hard that they can't go back. And and so. they sort of needed a pretext of sorts. And um do I think BB Netanyahu is evil. enough to sacrifice his own people? Yes. A million times over. What's been. happening in Gaza is a tremendous evil. And I don't think we will truly know the. full picture of how evil it was until BB.

Netanyahu is removed from power and. we're able to see the transcripts that. he's blocking of of the conversations he. had that day with his cabinet. Look, there are. obviously there are areas of. interpretation here. >> and I don't want to pretend as if I have. a monopoly in the truth. If you look back at 911, okay, our own September 11th, if you. look back, uh, and there were many people who wrote. at the time,

there were a lot of people in the. national [clears throat] national. security establishment. who had reports. that there was going to be an attack. They came in, the reports came in. No. question about that. You have to. remember when you are a state the size. of the United States and the power of. the United States, you're going to be. getting each day 10,000 intelligence.

reports about. possible terrorist attack here, possible. terrorist attack there. The United. States has huge number of bases around. the world. >> So you're always getting reports. But a intelligence establishment has to. rank threats. >> And they ranked the Osama bin Laden. threat low or lower than it should have. been ranked. In the case of Israel, here.

we're free to disagree. Israel is it's a Jewish supremacist. state. That's not my opinion. Okay. So, the um. head of Israel's. main human rights organization. uh it's called Betelum BT Sl. And the. head of Israel's human rights betum, this is a few years ago. It's a guy.

named Hagai Elad. Very decent guy. I've never met him. I'm. not sure if he ever wanted to meet me. uh but decent guy. He was a Harvard. trained PhD in physics. Serious fellow. Okay. And he put out a little report or. he was the executive director when Bet. Selum put out a report. Uh it was. probably 10 15 years ago now. 10 I my. memory is bad for time now. And he said.

here are the basic facts. There's one. state from the Mediterranean to the. Jordan. there's no Israel in occupied. territories. There's just one state. >> And he said that state its foundation is. Jewish supremacy. There are different. levels of Jewish supremacy. It's. different for the situation of Arabs, Palestinians living in Israel, Palestinians living in the West Bank, Palestinians living in Gaza,

>> and Palestinian refugees. It's different. levels, but the foundation is it's a. Jewish supremacist statement. Now, why do I mention it? Because for. the people of Israel, gazins are vermin. They're garbage. They're human refu. And so when you're getting intelligence.

reports from Gaza. that they're going to launch an. operation, uh, Israeli intelligence establishment. this thing, what are you talking about? >> They're going to outsmart us. They are going to trick us with our. surveillance, with our technology, with our IDF. this. vermin. is going to be able to pull this off.

So, I think they did the same thing as. our Bush administration did with Osama. bin Laden. They um. put it on a low priority. Uh they were. shocked that Hamas was able after. October 7, they were shocked that Hamas. was able to pull it off. Dave Smith uh. who's a good friend of mine believes. Yeah. has your perspective. He does have. your perspective. >> Yeah. One one last point on this because.

and I want to hear you out. Um you said. they Israelis hate Netanyahu. I don't think that's true at all. Netanyahu is the longest sitting prime. minister in Israeli history. If you follow it as I do and you're not. obliged to, that's not your uh niche. Every few years they report Netanyahu is. going. Netanyahu is going. Net is out.

Netanyahu is finished. No, he's not. And. do you know why? Because he's an obnoxious, narcissistic. Jewish supremacist. And that's Israeli society. Obnoxious, narcissistic. Jewish supremacist. When they see him, they see themselves. So there may be quarrels on this policy. issue and that policy issue, but at the.

end of the day, they keep voting for. him. and they vote for him because. Netanyahu is not just the face of he's. the reality of Israeli society. >> Yeah. >> When they try so hard, they try so hard. The people who are critical of Israel, people like Bernie Sanders, who's been. not bad in recent years, he has his. limits, but he's been okay. He always.

tries to. laser beam Netanyahu. That's not true. The problem is not Netanyahu. The problem is the whole of Israeli. society. If you look at the polls, half of Israeli Jews believe Israel. should commit a genocide in Gaza. >> Wow. >> That's what the polls show. About 70 to.

75%. in poll say there are no innocents in. Gaza. >> No innocents. >> There's nothing but children. >> Yeah. No innocents in Gaza. Half of the. population being Jewish. >> The former Israeli or the current. Israeli opposition leader. He said that. the IDF, the Israeli Defense Forces, they kill children as a hobby.

>> As a hobby. >> Yeah, I've seen some videos of like how. proud they are when they kill a child. And it's it's really dark, but also I. will say you can see psychological. conditioning as in you their viewpoints. on the Palestinians you can tell is. being nurtured from the time of their a. child. And I ran into somebody who left. Israel, >> moved to Tennessee recently, and I ran. into [clears throat] him. >> um at a farmers market and he said, "I. absolutely love you and I want you to. know. >> that we learn this stuff from the time.

we are children." Totally agree with. that. >> He said, and he so he left and he said, "From the time we are children, we learn. to hate." So he kind of broke a. psychological barrier to get there. obviously as an Israeli, but you are. correct. I mean, and and that's why. psychology really is the name of the. game when you're talking about religious. fanaticism or any other fanaticism. I. want to say also there is an element of. psychology and that is why in in my. capacity now I be that's actually got a. lot of trouble talking about the history. of Sigman Freud but if you want to. really speak about what is happening.

with with psychology propaganda PR he's. the father of all of that and going back. and tracing those roots it's very scary. I mean these were really deeply dark. people uh who were trying to cover up. their own crimes and that is the reality. without without getting going off on a. tangent here, but you are correct and I. think I would like to hear your. perspective on how the tentacles of that. Jewish supremacy have manifested and and.

you are actually and I'm sure you. wouldn't for yourself as a victim, but. I'm saying um what happened to you in. your life, the circumstances around what. happened in your academic career is. actually reflected in the Jewish. supremist. These are the perspectives. that you have to have if you're going to. be welcomed into these spaces that we. control. How did that happen? >> Well, I would want to make the following. points. Number one, the uh Jewish showing.

since October 7th. It's actually I'm talking about broadly. American Jewish showing. It's actually. not been bad. I'm actually very. surprised. So, for example, uh somebody sent me. this uh let's see, the most recent poll from the Washington. Post. It found that 61% of American Jews. say Israel has committed war crimes in.

Gaza. 40%. say Israel has committed genocide there. uh and about half about half. uh are opposing what Israel is doing in. Gaza. It's a little it's about 10% less. than the American people in general, but. it's not a bad showing and we should. recognize that. >> And I say it on my show [clears throat]. all the time. I say when we are it it's. important to recognize that. Not only.

that, because I I grew up in Stanford, Connecticut, so I grew up in a very. Jewish area. Uh, and I always remark, these are not the Jewish people that you. went to school with, right? We're. talking about these hubs of power, DC, Hollywood. And so it sounds like when. you're reading the news, every Jewish. person must hold this perspective, and. that is not reality. >> I'm going to say, Candice, I'm grateful that you say that. >> I believe that's factually correct. >> Yeah. If you remember the first. demonstrations against the genocide in.

Gaza, [snorts] the biggest ones were led by. Jews at Grand Central Station. >> at the Statue of Liberty. It was deeply. moving and they were very active. Jewish. students were very active in the. encampments. >> around the country. >> They were but. >> and they didn't get the same showcasing. in the media. They tried to pretty much. squash it, but it was there. And that's. important to state. >> within that context. Whereas I say the results of the polls.

aren't bad in my opinion. Within that. context, you use the word hubs. It is a fact and one has to in my. opinion. face it because it's having real. consequences. There's a Jewish supremacist billionaire. class which is exerting a huge amount of. power and muscle.

up front. >> and behind the scenes. So I would just. go through. a few examples. Um. >> can I throw one at you? Barry Weiss. becoming the president of CBS News where. I am telling you she I mean if she. actually sat an IQ test she would be. below average. >> intelligence. But I would call that and. I'll get to that. >> Yeah. >> I would call that Jewish supremacist. affirmative action. >> Correct. Beyond affirmative action. Yeah.

>> She has no competence. >> She can't even hold a conversation. You. don't even want to listen to her. She. she is so lacking in gray matter that. she couldn't pass the test to be on the. view. >> How I mean, how is she not embarrassed. to show up for work every day knowing. >> that probably the majority everybody. knows the majority of people that are. probably everyone is smarter than her. They've worked harder than her. They. would be better in that position. And. everyone's looking at you going. >> this is an affirmative action hire. Uh.

and I call this the children of. Bonibberith. and people that are reading. the books that I'm reading uh we we'll. learn a bit more about that. But she. it's so obvious went to did a year at. Tel Aviv University. She's in the club. So. >> she was she was in the club from a quite. young age. She was born she led she led. the campaign at Columbia University when. she was an undergraduate to try to rid. the faculty of p professors critical of. the state of Israel. She lost that. battle, but now she's obviously.

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abortion and stand firm in the gospel. Again, that is pre-born.org/candis. to provide an ultrasound for just $28. >> So, when uh very shortly into October. 7th, I'm asked to do a debate. and I said fine by Lex Friedman. He asks. me to do a debate and that. >> I he says who I said who do you want me. to debate? He said this thing called.

destiny. I didn't know what that person. was. This thing called destiny. I said. >> got a date with destiny. >> Yeah. Exactly. [laughter]. Yeah. You are my destiny. I know. You. know I don't claim to a distinguished. academic pedigree. But at this point in my life, I'm not. debating a thing called destiny. So I. said to Lex Friedman, "Thanks, but no. thanks." And then he, by the way, I.

didn't know who Lex Friedman was either. I don't follow podcast or things like. that. I'm a book person, oldfashioned. And um then he gets back to me about 3. weeks later and he says, "How would you. like to debate Benny Morris?" I said, "Sure. Benny Morris is Israel's senior. historian. I know his work very well and. it would be exciting for me actually. from an intellectual level to actually. face him because I'd written a lot on. him. And then Lex Freriedman says and.

Destiny. I'm wondering why are you harping on. Destiny? >> This random streamer so. >> strange. >> Exactly. It was so strange. I I then thought to myself, if I. refused, then it would look like I'm afraid to. debate Benny Morris because he's his. real ser senior historian and very. smart. He knows his stuff for sure. And.

I didn't want that to be broadcast far. and wide. Finerstein afraid to debate. Benny Morris. So I said, "Okay, uh, if. he wants to come along with Benny. Morris, this thing called destiny." I. said, "Okay, I'll do it." And uh I said. I'll debate with my good friend, very. smart guy, Muing Rabani, top of the. line, and we sh we have the same. political outlook. So why do I mention it? A few months later, I'm having a.

conversation with a friend of mine. and he says to me, you know, Destiny was. paid. to be on with you. I said, no, nobody. [clears throat] told me that. He said, "Yeah, he was and he described it. because he was discreet. He described it. as a Israel advocacy group had groomed. him to debate me and had I'm using the. words he said paid him handsomely.

to debate me." And it's an unimpeachable. source. By the way, the person who told. me this is not political at all. just by. coincidence. uh he could say with absolute certainty. and I know it. >> Why do I mention it? Because at that. time this was like this first month into. uh October 7th. It was a kind of a revelation.

But now we're two years later. We're two. years later in the in the time that's. elapsed. Not one, not two, three Ivy League presidents were. toppled. There's never been I know the history of. academic freedom in our country. I've. written on it. There's never been. anything like it. This massive assault, how was it conducted? [clears throat].

It started with people like Bill Aman, the billionaire. >> He threatens Harvard. >> You don't crush the encampments. You. don't get alumni money. That was it was. very very straightforward. It was pure. blackmail. and. >> which is by the way their favorite. tactic. Financial blackmail comes first. >> It was financial blackmail. If you look. at the Harvard report on anti-semitism, one alumni, one Jewish alumni gave.

Harvard $200 million. One alumni gave Harvard. $300 million. >> Aman $50 million. And then there was a petition organized. My memory is but the number probably. increased vastly. The original version. of the petition 1,200. Jewish alumni from Harvard threatened to. withhold the contribu uh alumni.

contributions. and so systematically. these college presidents are being. ousted. I can quote to you but I can't. tell you the source but I could tell you. no you have to judge people by their. track record but I have a track record. of being accurate or inaccurate. When President McIll. was deposed from the University of. Pennsylvania, a person approached her who knew her to.

express commisceration with her. situation. And she replied with two words, "Money talks.". >> I can speak to that. I mean, I've lived. it. And that is the first thing that. happens, which is financial blackmail. And a lot of people want to know, well, why is this person doing this or why are. they not saying it? I'm like, at the end. of the day, they let you know, you'll. lose everything. And some people go, well, it's not risk. I' I'd rather just. tow the line so that I can keep life as. I know it. And so, yeah, the majority of.

people are facing that. They have. families to feed and they don't know how. to restart because in most. circumstances, it's all they've ever. known, right? You're talking about. someone who's maybe been in the academia. for a very long time and they're going, "Not only will we forcefully pick you. out, kick you out, we'll also slap a tag. on you and call our friends in the media. like a Barry Weiss when she was at New. York Times to smear you and liel you as. an anti-semite." And so you're asking. for a type of bravery that I would say. most people don't have and they just go,

"I'm going to shut up." That but the. answer to that for people that are. listening is take your kids out of the. schools. You don't need these schools. I. mean, what is the upside? You're paying. an absolute fortune for your children to. go to debt. The system is rigged anyway, right? They're you think they're going. to have the same jobs they want their. children to go on. What does it say. about our society that Norm Finkelesteed. uh can't achieve tenure, but an admitted. child rapist like Jeffrey Epstein had a. office at Harvard University. Like that.

that wasn't what caused the the. billionaire backlash, which would have. made sense. We're all pulling our money, unless you get this person who doesn't. have any sort of an academic career, by. the way, off of our campus. No. And this. was after he admitted and served time in. jail. Jeffrey Epstein still had an. office on at Harvard University campus. And that's why I say to people, that's a. MSAD operation. No matter which way you. look at it, um Harvard University, in my. view, is running a MSAD operation. But. again, don't want to get lost on another. tangent. You are absolutely correct that.

that is a a stunning example of of how. uh the mechanics are when we're speaking. about their system of financial. blackmail. >> There there are many aspects to it and a. lot of it has come out in recent months. The paying people of $7,000 for each. post in support of Israel. >> Life-changing money for most. influencers. >> Imagine that. You can tweet 10 times a. day and have $70,000. >> And I know for a fact you're saying you. don't you can't speak to your source. I. know for a fact because I know someone.

who took the money [clears throat]. >> and they wouldn't tell me what. billionaire it was, but uh I can tell. you around May of this year. >> whenever I I termed it operation mocking. pastor was happening where every pastor. it seemed started jumped on stage one. Sunday and said don't follow Candace. Owens and Tucker Carlson. A very weird. sermon to preach all on the same day. It. was right after Ted um and uh Ted Cruz. and Tucker Carlson had debated. there. was a billionaire that went out and.

offered what they said to me was an. obscene amount of money uh for people to. begin influencing by creating. anti-Candice and Tucker billion uh uh. Tucker videos. So that's how it works. I. mean that is just how it works. But I. think before they were a little less. arrogant and they wanted to be less. obvious that that's how it worked. And. now there's a panic happening. And so in. their desperation, and this is what's. happened over the last 2 years, they've. just been sort of in your face. We're. throwing money at the cause. We control.

everything and we don't care if you know. about it. >> Yeah. I I totally agree with that that. now it's become, as I said, it operates. in two levels. Part of it, it is. remarkably in your face. We uh Bill. Aman, a hedge fund manager, decides. on his own who is going to be president. of Harvard University. You know, there's. nothing like that in our history. Just the brazeness of it.

>> and recently, how about BB Netanyahu on. camera with American influence. This is. I I said in in commentary about this. >> a couple of years ago. If you said that. Jewish people held power in media, you'd. be referred to as an anti-semite. Fast. forward to today and you have BBNet and. Yahoo sitting down saying that we I need. this deal to go through on TikTok. because that is a weapon that we need to. be able to use in a room on camera with. American influencers. So that is just. and they're saying how do we combat.

Canon and Tucker Carlson? We don't have. any power. I I I shoot the show in my. basement, you know. I'm there's no I'm. not feeding into some web and getting. paid from foreign influencers or being. funded by Qatar. I mean all smears and. liels. And so what does what does that. say when you have a a foreign country. leader BB Netanyahu saying that on. camera? >> Well, I ag I totally agree with that. The fact that he. just blatantly says we have to control.

the media. I would say. in response to what you said a few. moments ago, you said it does take a lot. of courage to resist these this I would. say there are levels of courage that it. requires. So we'll take the most recent. case that came out of um was public of. Van Jones. Van Jones is not a poor man. >> Certainly not. He got $100 million from.

Jeff Bezos. These are Jeff Bezos. These. are insurance policies. He gave um Obama. $100 million. He gave Van Jones $100. million. Why? It's perfectly obvious. because he knows at some point there's. going to be a major strike at Amazon. >> because it's a huge operation with a. large number of people who are paid sub. uh substandard wages. So he has an.

insurance policy. Make sure if and when. that moment comes, Obama will be on his. team, Van Jones will be on his team. [clears throat] That's a straightforward. transaction, business transaction, >> but it's money, you know, hund00 million. dollars. So, why does he do this? Why. does he come on TV with his yellow. ribbon? I live in an old Jewish neighborhood in.

Ocean Parkway, Brooklyn. There's. literally a synagogue in every block. In. some blocks, there are two synagogues. You walk up and down Ocean Parkway, it's. all Jewish. I don't see anyone wearing a. yellow ribbon. I know. I'm really. >> No, I know. >> I don't see anyone wearing a yellow. ribbon. >> Why is Why is Van Jones. advertising. the flag? He's just advertising. I'm a slave. >> Yeah, >> that's what he's saying. >> He used to brand slaves.

>> and he's just a slave. >> And um. >> this is how I feel when I see uh people. in Congress. I mean, think about a. presidential debate wearing a a a. flag pin from a flag, but it's not. American. It's like you're you're just a. a slave. >> And. he's wearing the yellow ribbon here. If. there were any what you call truth in. advertising, he would wear a dollar sign here, >> a a dollar gold pin. >> over here because it's just money. It's.

such a revolting site. And he goes on. with Bill Maher and Tom Freriedman, two. Jewish supremacists, and they're laughing about dead gods and. babies, you know, very funny. They're. laughing about And the thing is, Van. Jones knows. they're not just laughing with him, they're laughing at him. >> Yeah. >> He's our slave.

>> Yeah. Yeah. And he has he doesn't have. [clears throat]. even that minimum. that minimum selfrespect and dignity. He. makes jokes about. uh dead Palestinian babies. So. >> gosh, I didn't I didn't hear I didn't. hear whatever joke that he said. And so. that. >> makes my skin fall. >> He said that if you open up Tik Tok, all you see is dead Palestinian babies.

dead Palestinian babies. Dead. Palestinian Betty babies did dead. Palestinian babies. [laughter]. And he says, "Do you know why you only. see that?" He says, "Because the. Iranians and Qatar are behind it. They. are they are. manipulating the media." But there's. another possible explanation. You know. what the possible explanation is? Maybe. there are a lot of dead Palestinian. babies.

In fact, just the very first month, just October. 2023, do you know more Palestinian children. were killed just that first month. >> than all the other war zones in the. world combined. in 2019, 2020, or 2021 or yeah 2021 if you.

combine them if each year if you combine. each year every other war zone. this tiny parcel of land called Gaza. more children were killed. >> now it's about the minimum estimate the. minimum estimate is 20,000 children. killed. >> now if you look at the. the human rights supports. It'll.

probably come as a surprise to you. You. look at the most recent one, it's put. out by the UN, the Na'vi Pale. Commission. Na'vi Pai was the former uh. human rights chief in the UN and then. she was on the tribunal, the president. of the tribunal on Rwanda. She's from. South Africa. They report. Israel. targets children. targets them in the head and in the.

chest. Israel. targets. toddlers, that's the word they use, targets toddlers in Gaza. They said in the report. in order for children who are suffering. from malnutrition, you I know you have. four children, so you'll be much more uh. knowledgeable than me. They need a. special infant baby formula. I guess.

it's a high protein infant baby formula. Israel bans it. But for Van Jones. with his frat boys, Tom Freriedman, it's. all Qatari. and. uh Iranian propaganda. But then and. what's interesting about that is they. cannot produce a shred of proof. >> that anybody is funded by guitar. It's. just it's a literal talking point that.

has been fictionalized [clears throat]. by BBNet and Yahoo's agents. You have to. register under FAR every time you take a. meeting. They cannot produce one shred. of proof to that effect. And yet all of. the proof is here that actually everyone. is funded by Israel in America. And so. you just go for for Van Jones. I mean, I. I can't imagine going to bed every night. and just realizing it doesn't matter how. nice your house is, you're still you're. still a slave. You're still a slave. And. >> and to advertise it, the yellow ribbon.

>> Yeah. >> Well, where's the yellow ribbon? >> Mhm. >> Does Ben Shapiro still wear it? >> Does he used to wear it? >> I think he used to. >> I I'm not sure. >> But currently, this is two years later. M. >> I don't know anyone who he but he still. wears it just to to show you know I'm. sure it's in his contract if you wear. the yellow ribbon an extra thousand a. bonus $1,000. >> and and and that is it's really. important for people to know that how. the dynamics work because they do this. through charity and I know that there. are other people that are working on a.

report on this now because it's become. so obvious of how they will even give. people the permission these influencers. to say well I I'm not taking any foreign. money okay nobody body expected that you. were receiving a check from BB. Netanyahu. What they do is they'll flood. the zone and they'll give money to like. the International Fellowship of. Christian and Jews or put, you know, put. money into a church and then those. individuals will then give money to. influencers. like it's it's such an. obvious game and it's I I will say on.

the quote unquote Christian side of. things, we're seeing that people are. awakening to these pastors that are. going on these multiple trips to Israel. and coming back and telling their. congregants that no matter what, they. have to support BB Netanyahu. I mean, it's nutty. But I'm happy because it. does seem as though we are reaching this. inflection point where the correct. people who uh and the honest people. rather have been telling the truth for a. very long time are finally getting their. day. >> I would say public opinion is shifting.

for sure. You know, um I I'll I'll return to that. in a moment. As I said, there's a such a complete unwillingness. to see the situation you're in, you're. placed in when you are um. uh you're just a slave for these folks.

So, you take the case of Barry Weiss, okay? And there are people who work in her. outfit who are not Jewish. You read, she wrote a little book. It. was a stupid book. It was a I mean it. was a comic. It wasn't a book. It's sort. of the I teach and it was something you. get from a a a paper from a a freshman a. freshman paper. And how she end the. book? Let me just quote this is how it's.

a book about anti-semitism and how to. fight it like she knows about fighting. anti-semitism. Here she writes. this is the force of who we are. We are. a people descended from slaves who. brought the world ideas that changed the. course of history. One God, human dignity, the sanctity of. life, freedom itself.

This is our inheritance. That is our legacy. We are the people. commanded to bring light into this. world. I mean, these are just, you know, that's a passage you would, if you. replace the proper noun, it's something. you'd read in mine. That's their mentality. These are Jewish. supremacists. And what do they think of a Van Jones? What's going through their head when. they see a Coleman Hughes? Where do they.

think they'll never be us? >> Complete contempt. >> Complete contempt. Our slaves. >> Mhm. 100%. Yeah. >> It's pitiful. >> Really? >> Um. >> and then they could ruin those people in. 4 seconds. Like it's like you are. literally our property. And I and and I. sensed that because I do want to add. this one element like before October. 7th, there were tons of people who were. on the quoteunquote pro-Israel side like. me uh meaning never cared to look at the. issue. Sounds okay. B, you know, basic.

I'm not going to speak about this issue. because I don't really know about it and. it's not relevant to speak about. I I. really entered in the scene of politics. really intent on sort of waking up black. America to other layers of slavery like. you know what we learned in the. classroom and constantly thinking that. we have to marry ourselves to one party. or and now I'm kind of through both and. being like actually both sides are. really bad. Um but yeah so it's very I. do want people to be forgiving and know. that some people genuinely just don't. know. Uh but now we're not there. We're. not at that point anymore. People don't. know. They very much know and they are.

making a conscious decision that the. cash means more to them than the truth. That they are willing to allow children. to be murdered and killed every day. plucked off in Gaza. >> and to tell jokes about it and to and to. spread lies about the condition that is. happening. When you see if you do not. have a spiritual reaction uh to seeing. those children that are starving every. day, they will always pluck the one. example of this guy wasn't actually. starving and so therefore nobody's. starving. And it is so plainly obvious.

that that is untrue again before October. 7th. That would have been untrue. Uh. that you just wonder if these like I. just don't know how they do it. genuinely don't know how they do it. because I would rather lose everything. as I've proven, take it all, than to. speak something that is untrue because I. know that my soul will pay a consequence. for that. >> As I said, 40% of American Jews are convinced.

Israel is committing genocide. >> Yeah. >> But. Coleman Hughes doesn't see it. >> Van Jones doesn't see it. Uh there is a British proverb. uh there are none so blind as those who. will not see. And if you know the Bob Dylan song from. my generation blow in the wind. How many times can a man turn his head.

and pretend that he doesn't just doesn't. see? Well, if the if the remuneration is. enough many times. Well, I think that's. also I know that you're you're uh you. don't engage much on social media and. you also don't even have a cell phone, but I released this week. I sort of. waited for everybody to lie uh which. they did. Of course, they love lying. about Charlie Kirk and what he was going. through in the end and I released the. text message chain 48 hours before he.

died where he said, "They've left me no. choice but to abandon the pro-Israel. cause." And I. really think that the best person that. put it very plainly like if you lost. Charlie Kirk who was actually so. committed to Israel uh for him uh as an. as he started evangelical uh evangelical. Christian and then he couldn't unsee and. he said explicitly in his message. because of Jewish behavior and we know.

what he meant. He didn't mean all Jews. in America. It's like that power that we. are talking about that happens and the. way they were treating him as if he was. suddenly he woke up and realized like I. did. Oh, I thought that you guys were. supporting me because you were my. friends. I thought you supported me. because I will pursue the facts. I. thought you supported me because you. want me to have a platform because I. will speak truth to power. And then when. you turned around and realized, well, wow, I was just a slave to you. You view. me as something other. And for Charlie, I I think he was realizing at the end,

or maybe he never understood it, that if. you take the king's shilling, you fight. the king's war. >> Well, there's a proverb I I'm not. familiar with that proverb, but there's. he who pays the piper calls the tune. [clears throat]. >> And what do you do when you have a not. for-p profofit 501c3 that has taken. millions of dollars? And Bob Showman was. one person who took $2 million away from. him instantly if he didn't uh you know. start pedaling the correct talking. points about Israel and he was he was.

just done in the end and then you know. he he died. So it was no longer a. problem but they then rushed to. misrepresent and to pretend that that. period didn't happen. He literally told. BB Netany and Yahoo on the phone no. because they were panicked about losing. Charlie. He calls and invites him to. Israel and Charlie said no. And yet BB. then rushed to lie or I guess to not. tell the whole truth when he says I. called him two weeks ago and invited him. to Israel. It's like and what did he say. BB? What did what what did Charlie say.

back to you? So it's it is um yeah you. know we we see that story playing out. right now where you see the fight to. make sure that they control people. People that genuinely like me and. Charlie believe that they were just our. friends and believed in our mission to. just tell the truth no matter what that. truth is. Which means that naturally if. you're interested in committed to truth. your perspectives will change with more. information which is what happened to. me. My perspective changed because well. not even more information just. information in general in large part. thanks to the work uh that you're doing.

and uh people like Dave Smith and yeah. it really woke me up to what happened. there. There is the money issue and then. the money issue is combined with the. wholesale assault. on academic freedom and on freedom of. speech. Uh so we'll just take a recent example. There were the several young people. They were what's called nonitizen.

immigrants here. people like Khaled Makm. Khalil at Columbia University. and they were rounded up, sent off to. strange places in some cases were things. like literally. writing an op-ed in the tough school. newspap tough school newspaper. That's. it. critical of the administration. because of its support of Israel, de. facto support of Israel.

And there was. a week and two weeks ago a decision uh. came down in eastern eastern district. court on this whole case with these. guys, okay? Uh who were arrested by ICE. put in strange places. The guy who wrote. the decision, his name is Judge Young. He was a Reagan appointee. So we're not. talking about Hamas supporter, a Reagan. appointee.

and he wrote a 161page decision. and he said. nonres noncitizen. immigrants they have the right to free. speech. That's in our jurist prudence. They have. that right. Number two, he said they didn't say anything that. crossed any line. They supported the Palestinians. They. didn't support Israel. That doesn't This.

is America. >> You have the right to free speech. You yourself might be surprised. Our. Supreme Court has ruled. You have the. right. to advocate the violent overthrow of our. government. the violent overthrow of our. government. You have that right. That's. what our Supreme Court ruled. Our. Supreme Court ruled you have the right. to burn the American flag. During the war in Vietnam,

there are large number of demonstrators, myself included. You may not like it. I'm talking about our laws. We chanted. ho ho ho Chi Min. The NLF National. Liberation Front is going to win. >> Nobody got arrested for that. Nobody got pulled up off the street for. that. There were literally millions of. people chanting things like that. Now these young people in the. encampments, they're chanting things.

like from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free. I don't like. that slogan personally, but that's their right. This is America. And the judge ruled Reagan appointee, he's 85 years old, he says. by not letting them speak, rounding them. up, sending them off to strange places, he says, quote, you're terrorizing,

that's the word he used, you're. terrorizing. people's right to free speech. He said when they ICE puts on the masks, you know what he said? I'm quoting him. word for word. These are cowardly. desperados. acting like the Ku Klux Clan. That's the words he used. Who was behind. this assault on our freedom of speech? >> The Trump administration. No, the Trump.

administration you could say broadly, but on the specific issue of the uh. encampments and Israel and Palestine, that was the Jewish billionaire class, >> the Trump administration. [laughter]. >> So, we're in radical agreement. >> But, but remember, it began under Biden. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm talking about when he. actually Makmoud Khal because I followed. that case, right? And they were I was. looking at I was because I believed in. Trump and I voted for Trump and.

>> I agree with that part. >> They got up there and they pretended he. was some terrorist and they lied and I'm. like but he wasn't and we were the ones. that said that we would fight for free. free speech. >> He was actually the mediator at. Columbia. He was I followed it. Yeah. >> You know, so. it's a wholesale assault. on freedom of speech in uh our society. and it was led by these people. the same. billionaire class um. >> that cut checks and this is the problem.

when you take the money which I say you. fight the king's wars. >> I told. >> how did Trump get into office who cut. him to checks like who cut him a $100. million check Miriam Mson um and so the. presidency can be bought okay there's no. question. >> yes I think. >> as all things in America you there is a. certain level where you can purchase. outright purchase influence and it's. hard for us to to recognize that and I. had to really come to terms with that. This was this has been hard for me as. someone who has been a vocal supporter.

of Trump, truly believed that he sort of. beat the billionaire class to get into. office to see him so radically in this. term specifically shift on the his. perspectives of speech. I actually feel. watching him pains me to see this. administration play Twister to explain. while we're free speech but you know. this is different. These are Hamas. supporters. All of these psychological. games. And no, you're not instantly a. Hamas supporter if you have questions.

about what's going on over there. And by. the way, they also gaslight us where. they're like, then they get to the. you're obsessed with us. It's like, no, you guys were the ones that insisted. insisted that we all have a perspective. on October 7th. And so when some of us. actually said, "Okay, well, let me get. educated because maybe let me roll my. sleeves up and be radically pro-Israel.". Then when we looked and we pierced that. veil, we went, "Oh my goodness, how was. I ever perishial?" And now you want us. to shut up. Now you want our influence.

gone. Now you want to smear us as. anti-semmites and Hamas supporters. And. it's it it really is telling. >> Well, there are two aspects. Number one, this is America. You're. allowed to be a Hamas supporter. That's. our freedom. I am not a flag waiver, but. facts are facts. That's what was. determined by our Supreme Court. And. secondly, they're not. I mean, you're. correct. They're not. >> They're not. And even if they were, yeah, >> exactly. They're not. And even if they.

were, you have that was what the judge. said. The judge said, I disagree with a. lot of the the things these people say, but that's their right. >> And I just also want to say this to just. kind of get this off of my chest because. this is what deeply troubles me the. most. Going back to your slave analogy, which is actually not an analogy, what. it feels like to me when these and now I. recognize Jewish supremacists supported. me and platformed me when I was. attacking BLM cuz I I recognized this. this altogether Marxist strand and I was.

saying and I stood up to my my own. people, right? My own people and said, "Let me tell you why this is not going. to work out. Let me tell you granddad's. lessons." I wrote an entire book. You're. amazing, Candace. let me get you this. platform, that platform, fly you here. And then when I was like, oh yeah, and I. know this is going to be hard for you, but you guys are now going to have to. stand up to the Jew. >> Get out of here. >> Get out of here. You are gone. You were. banned from Australia for speech. I. mean, think about this. This is crazy. And I'm going, so what was I to you.

actually? >> I I was never there was something there. was a difference here. We didn't believe. we didn't you didn't agree with me. principally on BLM stuff. You didn't cuz. if the principles held if you said I. believe in free speech and and you have. to sometimes stand up in your own. identity box and say something is wrong. They didn't agree with me principally. That troubles me. >> Yeah, it should trouble you. That's what happened. to Glenn Lowry.

I'll just tell you an anecdote that's. called a October 7th and thereafter. anecdote. So I wrote a book having. nothing to do with Israel Palestine. It. was on um. cancel culture. This book okay. and Glenn and I was very critical of the. cancel culture, the woke phenomenon. I. didn't uh. I didn't agree with it. I strongly. disagreed with it. So Glenn Lowry has me.

on. Okay. Now remember, I said I had. given up on Gaza. And one of the things I did after I had. given up on Gaza was write this book on. cancel culture. Totally different. subject. So. Glenn Lowry has me on. Truth be told, I. didn't want to talk about Gaza. I didn't. want to talk about Israel Palestine. I. had left it behind.

I'm speaking factually, not proudly. I. had left it behind. So Glenn Lowry says, he begins the show, it's under YouTube, you could see it. He begins the show by. saying, "I would be remiss in my. responsibility. if I didn't ask you about your views on. Israel Palestine. I didn't bring up the subject.". He brought up the subject. Anybody. curious, go watch the program. I had no. intention whatsoever of talking about. it. He brought it up. So he asked me my.

opinions. I expressed them and then we. went on to talk about the book. Okay. Next week he does a program. doesn't tell me anything. He and John. McQuarter. they devote about 20 or 30 minutes. I. didn't watch the whole thing. It was. kind of too painful. Not because of what. they said about me, but the smarmyiness,

the fact that they didn't alert me to. what they were going to do. You know, the African-American spiritual. scandalized my name. I gave my brother. my right hand and as soon as ever my. back was turned, >> he scandalized my name. >> That's how I feel. >> Do you call that a brother? No, no. Behind my back, they start to psychoanalyze me. John.

Mcwarter. I mean, he knew me for the length and. breadth of the program. And what happens after October 7th? Glen Nori gets pressure to talk about. what's happening here. and he has on. Omar Barto, who's a senior scholar, says. Israel is committing genocide. What happens? The Manhattan Institute.

pulls the plug. >> He You didn't know that? >> Oh, I'm surprised he didn't have you on. Yeah, they pulled the plug. Lost all the. money. So. on this, you know, John McWarter, he. says, "Every day these poor Jewish. students, they have to hear all of this. anti-semitism at Colombia University. So just as a factual matter, all this. anti-semitism, first of all, legally,

even if they were being anti-semitic, they have the right. But is there any. truth to it?". So the most uh substantial report on the. subject came out from Harvard, 314 pages. alleging anti-semitism. I read the report, I don't see anything. I said, you know, probably miss something that happens. I reread it. Actually, I see less.

[laughter]. It's what Briana Joy Gray would call a. nothing burger. >> There's nothing there. >> So, you try to figure out, here's the. question. >> How could you fill 314 pages on. anti-semitism at Harvard when if you. actually read the report, there's. nothing there, evidence of. anti-semitism. There's nothing. So then you see the trick. There's a.

little verbal trick. The trick is they. say quote. for the purposes of this report. we are going to define anti-semitism. as. any time Jews Jewish students in. particular they said Israeli Jewish. students every time they feel. >> that they're being excluded in the. classroom. or being excluded in extracurricular.

activities or they're being excluded in. social life. That's going to be the. definition of anti-semitism. Well, what does that mean? De facto. So, there are all these Israelis who are. coming over to Harvard after serving in. Gaza, right? And you are commanded now by Harvard in. the name of what they call inclusiveness.

and pluralism. You have to pal around with them. And if. you don't pal around with them, you're. an anti-semite. That's literally I am. not exaggerating a jut. >> If you don't So you don't want to be. friends with murderers. >> Exactly. >> You're an anti-semite. If you don't want. >> Well, maybe if that's the new. definition. >> If you don't want to hang. >> Maybe I've been anti-semit my whole. life. >> If you want if you don't want to hang. around with child killers. >> Yeah. >> You're an anti-semite.

>> If you don't like Jeffrey Eprey Epstein, you're an anti-semite. I feel abuse. children. Also, I get I get what we're. doing off definition. Okay. Yeah. So. it's it's essentially a command coming. from the top down that we have to. normalize. >> child killers. We have to say okay. Candace is when she applied to Harvard. uh she had worked in a food kitchen and. she put that in her personal statement.

And uh Joe here, he helped build a. sanitation system in the Congo. >> And then there is Yakov. Yakov killed. children in Gaza. No, really. >> And we're supposed to treat. all three as the same. in the name of inclusiveness. and pluralism.

Now, that to me is a dictionary. definition of insanity. I had a long. exchange with a person I count as a. friend. I like him very much. Cornell. West. It was a public exchange and. another woman who I absolutely like. Her. name is Naen Straen, the former. executive director of the ACLU. And we got into I wouldn't there was no.

animous hostility but it was intense. because Dr. West's argument was. uh if we excluded everybody who had. blood in their hands. or who propagated ideas. that cause blood to be on your hands. He. said that would incl ex exclude a large. part of the Harvard faculty. You know, they're advisers to governments and they. write books which influence public.

opinion. >> He said. that's a slippery slope. if you start that kind of exclusion. and Naen Straen. uh she said that we have to invite. everybody. because the only way you can get a truth. is hearing out all opinions. and I I have to say that.

they can defend themselves and they did. in the course of the exchange. but to me because I do tend to like. yourself I c I gather I do tend to. personalize things. So, let's say after World War II, there's a Nazi concentration camp guard. cuz those those are perfectly ordinary. people who were guards in the camp and. one of them is an an exchange student at. Harvard. Perfectly possible.

Okay. Now, you're telling me I should pal. around with him. >> if you don't want to be called an anti. >> anti anti-German. Yeah. Yeah, >> I should be um. inclusive. >> Well, nobody was more inclusive of the. of the Nazis than the American CIA with. Operation Paperclip and just giving them. new identities. But. >> yeah, well, but. >> when it's convenient, they want you to. forget everything someone does. When.

it's not convenient, don't ever forget. what this person has done or who their. family and grandfather is. >> Totally. >> At the drop of a hat, they decide. >> Totally agree. But you know what? That's not me. >> And I don't believe that's Dr. West. And. I don't believe it's Naen Straa. >> I believe that in the real world if they. had to confront that situation, they. wouldn't p around with them. >> No, >> you know, of course they wouldn't. And. that was the command at the end of this.

314page. report that you have to be inclusive of. the Israeli Jewish students. We have to. be pluralistic. No. >> Which by the way, one of the most. offensive. >> they called it they called it you have. to stop shunning them. >> That's the word. >> I'm actually comfortable shunning. murderers. I'm I am. Call me whatever. you need to call me. That's why I always. say you got to get over their game of ad.

hominant attacks because if we've got to. be called names, not hang out with. murderers, we got to get comfortable. with that real fast. >> That's that's exactly you got to get. comfortable real fast with murderers. No. No. That was the anti-semitism. A large a large I wouldn't certainly not. a majority, but a significant number of. the campus protesters were Jewish. How is it that they didn't detect this. rampant anti-semitism?

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Promo code candace. So, I wanted to. actually because one of your books and. this and and this one I have not read is. called the Holocaust Industry. I want to talk to you about the. Holocaust and uh please allow me to be. offensive as I've been learning a lot. about the Holocaust and why it is such a. precious area where you are not allowed. there's no incursion there's no you. can't ask a question you can't even if. if I said you know what I think it was 5. million forget it I mean it's it it is. very precious and protective and as I've.

be uh sort of began reading more books I. I do have a theory and you may be. offended by this theory you can push. back on. Uh but particularly I felt even more. confirmed in this theory. Are you. familiar with Nicholas Gruner? >> No. >> Okay. So Nicholas Gruner uh was an. actual Awitz camp survivor. He was on. the march, same march as your parents. were on. Um your father. >> Yeah. Your father was on and uh he wrote. a book in Giddish about his experiences. and there was a I'm sorry uh his friend.

who was with him on this walk who he. wanted to reunite wrote this book in. Giddish. And uh when he found out that. his his friend had wrote this book and. it had been translated uh into English, he went to go meet him, right? And it. was like, I'm I'm going to be reunited. with somebody that was in this camp with. me. He gets to up to shaking this. person's hand and he's like, you've. taken on the identity. This this you're. not the real survivor. That person whose. hand he shook was Ellie Ellie Witzel. Um. you might be familiar with him because. he wrote the book Knight and it was.

proven that he lied about certain parts. of it. Nobody knew why what this was. And so he then spent the rest of his. life, Nicholas Gruner, dedicated to. telling people that this man was. effectively a gypsy who stole the. identity of a real person. And he said. he rolled up Nicholas rolled up his. sleeve. He's like, "We all have tattoos. He's not going to have one cuz he's not. the real guy. This guy took his. identity." Well, it turns out that uh. Ellie White was a cousin to Robert. Maxwell, right? Fascinating, right? Absolutely fascinating. Robert Maxwell. wrote about it in his own book uh his. authorized uh biography. And we know.

Robert Maxwell obviously who everything. about there is know about him. And I I. was fascinated by this idea that there. were people who were stealing the. identity whether dead or alive of people. who had actually been in the Awitz camps. building on their stories in whatever. way. And it's sad that nobody knows. Nicholas Gruner's name. People should. know his name because he it was a um it. was a a valiant fight. and he uh to the. to the very end said there are people.

who are stealing our identities and I go. I've got this feeling that that happened. a lot more than we think it happened. This is one guy and by the way Robert. Maxwell then purchased a massive stake. early on in in McGra Publishing McGra. Hill which means that and then his wife. was traveling around with Ellie Weatell. and this guy was like this was not. prisoner number whatever it was he took. his identity and that's a really. terrifying thing to think about that. people with power saw okay these people. were in camps maybe they they perished.

we can take their identities take their. stories whatever it is he never found. out what happened to his friend uh he. assumes he died sometime after the camp. and uh he did write it was his friend. who wrote the manuscript in Yiddish and. and then Ellie Weatel adopted that and. now we have today as you determine a. Holocaust industry. I'd like you to. describe that but just what I'm telling. you. I mean is that isn't that just the. most terrifying thing ever? um. we don't really know each other and. we're having a serious conversation now.

and we should try to parse it just mean. analyze it carefully. >> Yeah. So let me give you as I understand. it the situation not just. [clears throat] from family history but. from having read quite a lot in the. subject at a certain point in my life. having read quite a lot I would say. almost obsessively because of my family. history and having written on aspects of.

it. [clears throat]. Um the estimates are there was an. extermination campaign by the Nazis. We. don't know. Two main questions remain. open. Two questions remain open. The the. two questions that remain open are when. when did it begin? That still is an. ambiguous area. When did this Nazi. extermination camp be actually begin. Nazi extermination. uh plan? And we still don't know with.

any kind of certainty why. What was. Hitler's exact motive at that point. So. the when and the why they remain gray. areas. Now I have to be for people who. are listening I have to be careful. I. stopped reading about the subject about. 20 years ago. >> So there may be new scholarship which. supersedes what I have just said. But. that's it. Here are the two crucial. facts. one, I don't consider it crucial.

The estimates by the best historians are. between 5.2 and 5.4 million Jews who. were killed. It doesn't make. [clears throat] much of a difference. Let's say it was it wasn't, but let's. say it was 3 million. That doesn't make. it better, obviously. Okay? But the. estimates are between 5.2 and 5.4. Now coming to your. question.

um the Nazi extermination. was very efficient. You can use a slur and say it was done. with German efficiency and to some. extent. there's a truth to that. You know what. makes a cliche a cliche is it's most of. the time true. What is a generalization? A. generalization is something that's. generally true. What's a stereotype? A stereotype is a.

generalization that you don't like. If you say Jews are smart, people Jews. like that generalization. If you say. something else about Jews, that's a. stereotype. But uh the Germans carried. out the Nazi extermination with great. efficiency. Why is that important? There were very few survivors. Now, Candies, I'm not trying to. uh um [clears throat] I don't have an.

axe to grind. I'm just telling you. factually. You take my mother. She had two sisters. and a brother. >> They were exterminated. She had a mother and father. They were. exterminated. My father, I don't know the details, but. I know for sure he had one sister and. one brother. These are taboo subjects in my home. Can't talk about them. So I don't know. the detail. I know they were wiped out.

One of the reasons I wasn't born. mitzvot. I did not have a bar mitzvah. And you know why? I mean there are many. reasons. Some my parents were resolute. atheists. >> But one of the reasons was. there was no one to invite. You see a. bar mitzvah is a big family event. The. cousins, the aunts, the uncles and so. forth. Of course, the person being bar. mitzvah invites his or her friends with. his friends and being the person being. bar mitzv or bach mitzvah. But the big.

thing it's a family occasion. There was. no one to invite. There was no one to. invite because the Nazi extermination. was very efficient. So, the estimates are at the end of. World War II, the estimates are. uh less than a 100,000 less than 100,000. uh Jews survived. uh the Nazi Holocaust. Less than. 100,000.

Uh so. that means. where did all these survivors come from? Everybody claims there was a period when. the Holocaust industry was in full. uh was very lucrative. >> There was a period where everybody. claimed to be a Holocaust survivor. >> Yeah, that's kind of what I'm getting. at. >> Yeah, they all claimed to be Holocaust. survivors. They weren't Holocaust. survivors. There was a person who I.

>> I actually think they were, but I I I. fear they were survivors of another. holocaust that was going on at the same. time and they may have been in part. executing it. >> Uh which is. >> a question that Alexander Soljenit. >> Scholen writes which is where did all. the Bolsheviks go? Mhm. >> And I think, and this is again a theory, while we're allowed to think, >> well, this is a good opportunity right. now to take on the identity of people.

who perished and just rewrite history of. ourselves as the victims. And when I saw. that Nicholas Gruner story, I was like, that's so terrifying because it's. required reading coming up in schools. You have to read the story. There's tons. of Holocaust people that we we reading. your books talking about your parents. and what they lived through. and they. picked this man and. >> there was look I I will get to the El. Weisel this I I know it well in fact I'm. not trying to promote the book it came. out 25 years ago but I write a lot about. Elie Weisel in the book okay.

so um I remember my father we both knew. a person who had the tattoo. the only place there were tattoos were. Aitz was the only camp where they had. the tattoos. Um, and I said to my father about this. person, and my father had a tattoo. Uh, I always knew the number. It was like. 028128, something like that. I had. memorized the number, but now I. forgotten. I said to my father, I said,

"Do you think he was in Avitz?" And my. father said, "No." And my father was not. a conspiracy person. >> Yeah. >> No. He just said very matterofactly, non-judgmentally, he just said no. And I. said to my father, I asked my father, "So where did he get the number?" And my. father said, I'm calling him now. He. said, "Well, after the war, some people took it off and some people. put it on." [laughter]. >> But he didn't say it's a joke.

>> Yeah. He's just like, >> "The incentive here is to have one.". Yeah. It's it's bad. It's incentive. It's incentive culture. Obviously, I. talk about this welfareism. If you're. going to incentive bad behavior, people. are going to do it. Yes, I I I. without going into that because I was on. tangent, but yes, and my father said. very matter of factly. So, my mother. used to get very frustrated because. even more so than my father, she could.

never let go of what happened to her. family. She couldn't let go. And there was something that really. more than graded on her when people who. didn't pass through what she passed. through claimed to have passed through. it. And she once ex exclaimed. in a kind of. bitter irony. She said, "If everybody who claims to be.

a Holocaust survivor actually is one, who did Hitler kill?" [laughter]. So, everybody's claiming to be a. Holocaust survivor. There are very few, a handful survived. that ordeal. >> Now, especially particularly in Awitz because. there's so many were like, "Well, I was. you said the tattoo." There were all the. all the death all the there were uh the. death camps and then there were the.

concentration camp death camps. There. were both were camps and and Avitz and. Maidonic. I I once spoke to the world's. leading authority in the Nazi holocaust. Raul Hillberg was very kind to me. He. was uh like he was of your political. persuasion. He was a right-wing. Republican. He swore by the Wall Street. Journal. I was at the other end of the. spectrum and I was a total pariah. However, don't ask me why because I've never.

really understood it. He kept defending me. I was always very nervous around him. I. didn't want to say anything wrong. because he was kind of my savior. He was. saying that what Finkelstein is writing. is true. And when the tenure battle erupted at. the Paul University, he gave this very moving.

defense of me and he said that I told. the truth. It was at a very big price. He said, but he said in the history of. those writing about history, Finkelstein's place is secure. In any event, I once asked him, he lived. in Vermont. He taught at the University of Vermont. Uh he was very much his own person, so.

he could never get a job at a top. university. Uh he said uh very few women survived. might neck. That's where my mother was. Very few people. Uh so it was worse. Actually, the women's section was worse. than at uh Avitz. Uh in any event, uh.

once the Holocaust industry became an. industry, they were very picky about who they. promoted. Now, Elie Weisel was a. fanatical supporter of Israel. He was fanatically. pro- anything that any American. government would say. And so he was. became the spokesperson for the. Holocaust. As his personal history, I'm. just going to give you the details as I. understand them. Okay?

He claims he was in Aitz. He claimed. that he was now shitz. and he describes in the book night. He describes some scenes which Raul. Hillberg Raul Hberg the person I. mentioned uh to you from the person who. defended me and for reasons which still. remain except integrity you know which. is so rare. He was the chief historian.

for the Holocaust memorial in. Washington. Elie Weisel personally picked him. because Weisel knew he knew his stuff. And um. he said there were certain scenes that. Weisel describes in night. that occurred at Avitz. Weel uh uh Hillberg said they could not. have happened.

>> They could not. >> Without question they didn't happen. And. you read Nicholas Gruner. Obviously, >> when Weisel was confronted. with Hillberg saying they happened, he. doubled down and said they did happen. Weisel I speak to I knew some, not many, I knew some. first rank Holocaust historians and they. told me he was deported in 40 1944 from.

Hungary. That was one of the last. deportations from Hungary and he maybe. passed through Avitz on route to a labor. camp that may have happened. uh. according to the people I talked to. But. there was clearly if you I discuss it at. some length in that little book, we sell. figures not in a cameo role, but he has. a major uh he's a star of the Holocaust.

industry. >> Yeah. I I mean I I I'm glad that I put. Nicholas Gruner on your radar because he. just knew the guy. He literally stole. his identity. I mean it's like it's it's. it's a crazy he knew him because you. know obviously when you're in a camp. together and he was like just so excited. to meet to reme meet this someone who. had had this experience with him and. described the march everything and you. know the souls of his feet and he just. was like he's what he did. >> was the real person wrote the manuscript. and this gypsy just took on his identity. and when he describes that moment of.

being on the plane what am I going to. say to him like we haven't seen each. other and then like could you imagine. being confronted and going you're not. wait a second you're not Norm. Finglestein. You're not Norm. And that. is and he said he had cameras ready and. they like shook hands and then he even. said what's even crazier is the real um. Holocaust survivor spoke Hungarian. >> And Elie couldn't speak Hungarian at. this time when this happened. And so he. starts he's like he says, "Let's speak. in English." It's an incredible It's. just an incredible thing to comprehend. that. And I think my the best that I can.

guess is that you had these psychopaths. like you know true bullshik psychopaths. who were like well we can't just walk in. and be like well you know I was just. kind of running the bolevik camp over. here mass murdering Christians so what. better way to rein yourself into into. society than to be like I'm I'm the. ultimate victim. I survived uh the Awitz. camp. I think that's what happened. I. think they laundered their their they. laundered through and that's why there's. so much confusion and people like you're. denying that any that people died here. because there's some people that were.

like well nothing ever happened you know. and it's like no something definitely. you read this guy Nicholas Gruner and. you're like this happened. >> and there are some people who never. lived a day in their lives of that and I. say Ellie Beetle is one of them who took. their personalities took their. identities. >> fullon gypsy. >> I um I actually regrettably I read a on. the Elie Visel case and I I tend to. defer. to Hillberg's judgment and I think the.

judgment that there were in his. so-called memoir. uh there were fabricated scenes is. correct. However, I also believe that, you know, when you explore any concrete situation, any concrete situation, there are going. to be things that are inexplicable. You just can't explain how or why that.

happened. And you have to accept that in any. historical reconstruction. [clears throat]. there are going to be. uh in inexplicable enigmatic phenomenon. M. >> um and I think. in the case of the Nazi Holocaust, it's sort of like the flat earth. society. When you want to deny a certain.

phenomenon, of course, you have the. right to deny it. That's as. to to deny a person the right to deny is. what the great British philosopher. uh John Stewart Mill called the. presumption of infallibility that you. know the truth and nobody else can know. the truth. No, we're fallible creatures. We're capable of error. And we always.

have to leave some corner of our mind. open to the possibility. that our deepest most sacred beliefs, our foundational beliefs. >> could be wrong. >> Could be wrong. >> Y. >> could be wrong. However, if you're like in the flat earth society. and you say the world is not round, in order to be credible,

you have to respond to. the mountain of evidence that's. accumulated. that shows the world is round. M. >> you have the right to say the earth is. flat, but you also, if you're. responsible, have to respond to a massive. accumulation of evidence to the. contrary.

>> If you can't respond to it or don't. respond to it, in my opinion, you're not. entitled to be taken seriously. >> You're just a fraud. >> Yeah, fine. You're just a fraud. M. >> we agree. So. uh. my parents. could be iconoclastic. They could be very bitter.

By the way, the Nazi Holocaust has been. not just misused. but weaponized. to justify all sorts of things which. in many places are not just deplorable. but abominations. However, in all their anger and. indignation. which was transmitted to me.

uh in the it never would have occurred. to them. to deny. the horror that they endured. So when I wrote the little book, The. Holocaust Industry, which. caused me a lot of public grief.

and defamation, >> which means it's a must readad. [laughter]. >> I know what that means. It's a must. readad. When I when I. uh wrote the book, I was always very. clear from day one. I am not writing about the Nazi. Holocaust. That's not what this book is. about. There are many people with. a vast knowledge of the subject. I have.

only a tiny by comparison a tiny. amount of knowledge of the subject. This. book is about how the Nazi Holocaust was. as if you can read the subtitle. >> reflections on the exploitation of. Jewish suffering. >> Yes. It's about how. >> a horrendous event was exploited. and the exploitation now.

has reached the point that it makes. people so angry at how it's being. exploited in the most in the cheapest. most vulgar and also not speaking as a. person who's not religious but sin ful. ways to say justify the genocide. justifying the genocide in Gaza that it. causes people.

to then want to deny. it ever happened. I believe we have to make the. distinction. it happened. but also. the way has been manipulated, exploited, weaponized. has also happened. Both of those things happened just like. as I discussed with people I was on the.

program with Brianna Joy Gray a few days. ago. I said when you start talking about. Jews and money, it very easily feeds a feeds a. stereotype. However, it's also true there's a problem here. A. billionaire billionaire class of Jewish. supremacists. are now flagrantly,

brazenly. using money as a blackmail weapon to. silence not just criticism of Jews, but silence criticism of an ongoing. genocide as we speak. And we have to. address that also. Now, it's very hard. to address it. >> without feeding the stereotype. >> But I think it's and that's why it's so.

important for me to constantly be. addressing Jewish Americans because. something that they're very good at. doing is pretending that there's no. differences. Like that's that's identity. politics. Like you're Jewish, therefore. this is your history, therefore this is. this is how you should be responding to. this. And that gives them so much power. So it's very important to study the. Bolsheviks, right? Because that means at. the same time you had Jewish people who. were suffering actually and legitimately. and you had Jewish psychopaths, okay, who were mass murdering Henrik Yagod,

okay, mass murdering Christians. The. same thing is happening right now, okay? You have you have literal psychopaths, and I would describe them as Zionists, okay? uh Zionist psychopaths who are. happy to oversee the slaughter of. children. Some people who I think. actually look happy when you talk about. it. It's it's so disturbing spiritually. to see people who can joke about. suffering and things of that nature. And. then you have people who are dealing. with the kickback of those people who. don't have platforms who are being.

treated as if and it's because both of. everybody around the world needs to. understand it is possible for you you. can be any identity and to have multiple. things going on at once. And I truly. believe that the the Zionist ideology is. an evil. It is a it is it is a this idea. that you are it is a it's an evil. because it's a supremacist ideology that. says you can trample over anybody's. rights as long as it is like you know. you serve Israel and and that's what I.

have seen in my experience is that even. people who I thought were fundamentally. good when it came down to it turned into. and celebrated the death of children. because those children were Palestinian. and were not Israeli and and it's. shocking. It it still continues to shock. me to recognize that. >> I I. I want to just say a couple of things. Candace, you don't know me from a hole. in the wall and I barely know you. It's. just a fact. I'm not a web person. I've. said that.

>> I am from the left tradition. You are. from. >> the right. >> The right. And my reading of say Russian. history is going to be radically. different than your own. And I have to say that because there'll. be people who after watching this say. why didn't Finkelestein say that he is. actually a supporter of Lenin and Trosky. and all those. >> right I wasn't a Troskis but I was in. that certainly within that uh trajectory. for sure and I still am.

>> I'm an old man but I still am. Um, but having said that and setting the. record straight, I I think you are correct that there are. aspects of what's going on now. that are just hugely ugly. You know, take a simple example. A simple example,

you use a computer, right? And sometimes, I don't know nowadays. with computers, but sometimes you can. work on something for three hours. You. remember the day and then you can lose. everything. >> You press the wrong key, everything is. gone. Now, they have backups and. backups, but I don't know how to use. them. So, I lose whenever. Okay. And. then you lose something that you worked. on for three hours. Okay. And you think.

it's the end of the world. Oh my god. Oh. my god, I lost I worked on it for three. hours. Oh my god, you lose three hours worth of. information or work and information. and then you're in Gaza. This is not being done behind the. scenes. These are Israeli soldiers. posting. on the social media.

their ecstasy and their euphoria when. they blow up Palestinian homes. Not three hours on your computer. Your whole life is vaporized. >> And they're thrilled. They're thrilled. You know, they have what's called in. Gaza controlled demolitions. >> That's what's Everything has happened. since October 7th has been a controlled. demolition. >> I agree with you. Everything has been.

with intent to use the words of the 1948. genocide convention. It's intent to. destroy a people. Okay. Just one step further. They go into. neighborhoods where there's no Hamas, there's no nothing. And they just calmly rope off the area. and then detonate whole neighborhoods. >> Yeah. >> Now. >> because they're going to turn it into a. beach town. >> Well, they want to they said over and.

over again. >> Jared Kushner is on camera saying it. >> Yeah. We're going to make Gaza, this is. they said over and over again, we're. going to make Gaza unlivable. >> So you'll have two choices. to stay and. starve or to leave. >> That's why all this talk about the Trump. plant is so silly. There's nothing there. Do you know 95%.

of the homes, 95. have been vaporized. >> I thought that it was 85, so it's up to. 95. was 92%. before the assaults on Rafa and Gaza. City. So now it's about 95%. >> There is 50 million tons of rubble. The main agencies, UN and international. humanitarian agencies, they say that. it'll take until the year 2050.

to clear away the rubble. because the rubble is mixed in with all. of these toxic substances like asbests. and also unexloded ordinance. So. they did they you know everyone says. well Netanyahu didn't achieve his goal. Actually he did achieve. >> he did. Of course he did. I mean. >> he said we would we will make Gaza. unlivable.

>> either stay and starve or leave. >> He achieved his fundamental goal. Now, he was hoping for a stampede of them. leaving or incentivized to leave by the. relentless bombing and artillery firing, but now they'll leave in a trickle. because there's nothing to go back to. There's nothing there. It's been. pulverized. So, um,

>> one of the things I want to say that I. find to be especially dark about the. Gaza situation, >> I just want to complete the thought. So. what you're saying when you say that. they're actually happy about it, >> that's not a speculative. pronouncement by you. They posted it and. they still do. They post it on their. social media. >> what they're doing as they do it. That's. a fact. You can't get, you know, when. you read a lot of the human rights.

reports. and the reports by genocide experts, a lot of, you know, what their evidence. is? They're citing the social media what the. Israelis post. >> Mhm. >> It's really dark. The videos, >> it's very dark. >> It's very dark. And you see something in. their eyes. That's what I always say. Like. >> the eyes are the window to the soul. There there is a that's what I say it's. demonic force that rules that that. nothing I don't care who the child was. If I saw a child suffering I have a.

natural spiritual response to that. I. don't care if that child is Arab, Jewish, uh black, white, it doesn't. matter. >> They don't have that. Instead, they're. it's like and you see it even in the. commentators or Zionists. It's like. they're they're [clears throat] trying. not to crack a smile in a joke about how. how many of these kids have been killed. It's it's it's really disturbing. But I. have to see God in this, which is is. just to say that what is happening in. Gaza has awakened the world and America. is the best evidence of that because we.

were the most asleep. Um uh and we were. like zombies on the Israel issue. Yeah, of course we support Israel. It's size. is the New Jersey. Why can't you know. all the talking points and there has. been this sort of radical reaction and. and so that tells us that people when. they are armed with facts and knowledge. are fundamentally good. you know, they're fundamentally good and and we're. fighting back and it's hard and there. are people that are selling out, >> but I think I think truth is winning. >> I believe truth is winning and we have. to I think credit it to two reasons. One.

is a horrible reason to credit. Israel is conducting a genocide in broad. daylight. It was very hard to conceal. >> Mhm. But number two, it was because a. large number of media outlets in. particular on the web were out of. control. And now there's a retrenchment, an attempt to control Tik Tok, control. CBS News, control CNN. They're trying to.

now. methodically. gain control again of, as the expression. has it, gain control of the narrative. >> And there's a real problem on our. college campuses right now. There are. students, professors, in fact tenur professors. are terrified of saying anything. supportive of the Palestinians or.

critical of Israel. You remember in the. spring of 2024. there were all the encampments. and you know what the next a whole. academic a whole academic year passed. without anything. It was like this eerie silence had. descended on the college campuses. because the students were terrified. >> and uh so.

the media, academia, uh they're trying to regain control. right now. And so I believe that people. have in particular on the college. campuses have to find you know like you. said earlier it takes a lot of courage. >> You know there were a lot of students. who were suspended because of the. encampments. They weren't allowed to attend.

graduation. because of the encampments. And then if. you were foreign students you were. rounded up because of the encampment. Uh that's it does require courage. >> But I want I also want to remind people. when you think that that requires. courage is imagine being someone in Gaza. right now. >> Like our it's such a small price to pay. in my opinion. >> And was it scary? Yeah. I'm not going to. pretend like last year was easy for me. and my family. Uh but we were we were me. and my husband were so committed to.

truth that we were just like whatever. comes whatever cost comes you you are. now in that challenge and people say. what would you have done? We are finding. out right now what people would have. done when faced with a genocide. You. know, do you turn the other way? Do you. accept the money? Do you continue to be. a part of the apparatus of the academia. which lies routinely? That's why I say. people should read Thomas Soul and he. will tell you that every bad idea comes. from academia. Um comes from the cult of. academia. They will always publish the. books and lie about what's happening. And it's because actually it's always.

been controlled. So people we're trying. to achieve academics when in reality. it's a small club and you got to have. the right perspective is if you want to. stay in it uh no matter how accomplished. or if you're brighter and I I I really. challenge people to recognize that. So. you are talking about maybe losing um. you know money. >> you know for a young person I I try to. be sympathetic. for a young person. it is a big price no it's not the price.

of Gaza. but. their parents are shelling out a large. amount of money you know money can't be. a ruler I school cost about $80,000 a. year now for a student And then if you. saw places like Harvard, it wasn't just. your college, they were blacklisting them at law. firms. As in, they said literally, we're. not talking again. >> poetry.

>> We are going to get a list of names of. everybody in those encampments. They. will never get a job at our law firm. That's what they were being told. Mhm. >> They will never get a job, >> which is good. >> Well, >> I think I'm going to tell you, I put the. pressure on their parents, not on the. kids. I say if this is happening, this. is we we have to be ahead of them. So, we need to establish our own law firms. If your kid got into Harvard, they're. the cream of the crop. Great. The. problem is is that we are stepping into. where they can control the entire. plantation when we have what it takes to.

create our own stuff. We have to be. innovative. >> It's not for me. It's not for me to tell. them. You see, they have the right to. choose their own future, >> and they're being denied it. You know. what they did at Harvard? These creepy organizations, they did not only have what were called. doxing trucks where they went around. Harvard and they posted pictures of the. students and calling them terrorists.

And then. >> that was crazy. >> You know what else they did? You. wouldn't even believe it if I told you. I would. >> they took the trucks. and they went to their parents' homes. >> Yeah, I did hear that and I I commented. on. >> 500 miles away. >> So I have to put No, we have to try to. step in the shoes of others. >> Oh, I'm not saying they don't have a. right to be traumatized by those events. >> No, but I'm saying my parents if a truck. was going up and down their block. >> saying Norman Finkelestein is a.

terrorist, >> my parents would kill me. They would kill me. >> Yeah. >> What are you doing? >> Yeah. But I I think now the point of. this that I and I want you use my. platform to say is parents toughen up. Okay. Because the people that are doing. this are psychological terrorists. That's the reason they're doing this is. to give you that embarrassment. They. have the money to embarrass you. They. have the money to blacklist you. But. what that actually reveals is a. fundamental problem in the system that. you can be punished for doing and saying. the right thing. It means we've got to. change it. Like I I say to parents, pull.

your kids out of these schools. And I'm. so happy that homeschooling is. happening. Why do your kids want to go. to to Harvard? Right. Well, because they. say this is the best school. We'll give. you all these networks. We we we and. they do. They have access. They have a. network. You're more likely to get a. job. But I'm saying that like it's going. to take us being bold for us to crash. this system that says Norm Finkelestein. can't be tenured. Okay. But Barry Weiss. can be the president of CBS. We are. going to have to be the radicals. This. is what I saying about her. We have we.

it's we have a very small window of. opportunity here right before they start. coming for speech in America which. they're trying to do. >> I believe that. >> and so we have to be literally be. >> I've said that I pulled my I totally. agree with you there is an assault right. now going on against freedom of speech. >> which is a real problem. >> So when I see a kid that's being put on. one of their lists. >> like there's this account where they say. anti-semite of the week and now they're. doing like 22 year olds. I said, "Hey. guys, this is now Forbes 30 under 30. We.

should be hiring." As soon as we see. these kids that are being put on this. list and this Harvard person did this, I'm like, "Can I hire her?" That's my. mindset, right? You have a. [clears throat] business. That's our. Forbes 30 under 30 and that's the best. way to look at it. >> You recognize that's a very minority. mindset. >> I don't think it is anymore. I mean, looking at the staggering rates of. people and that's why they're now trying. to pass laws. People are listening. I'm. telling you, we're going to be. encouraged. You always have to be. encouraged. by the fight that they're putting up. And I'm not I'm not throwing a towel. I.

think I think we're I think we're. winning and they're scared. That's why. they're becoming more radical. >> That part that part I agree with. >> So we say, "Okay, we'll adapt. You say. our kids can't go to that school. You. say our kids are going to be put on. lists. We're going to treat these lists. as you're highlighting these these. students, not the actual ones that are, you know, radical and beating people up, but I'm saying. >> the ones who are harmless and using. their right of free speech and getting. buses outside. I want to hire that kid.". They're they're they're really Look, I. totally agree with you. I I have looked. very carefully. There were beatings.

going on in places like UCLA, but that's. when UCLA supporters of Israel attacked. the encampments. >> It wasn't the students. You know, a lot. of the students, they were from abroad. They recognize their limits here and. they recognize. don't cross certain lines. So I was at. places like MIT, they were just so.

decent and a lot of the professors, you know, the professors wanted they. were too old to sit in encampments. You. know, Woodstock is over. [laughter]. We're heading towards social security. Um so they sent food. so much food, you. know, there was such a festive, warm. uh feeling there. And then when I hear. John McGuart, who teaches at Colombia, saying, "Oh, the poor Jewish students,

they had to hear day in and day out. anti-semitism." What are you talking. about? That never happened. Harvard, a 314page. report, they said the clearest example. of anti-semitism, the clearest. was a student who was trying to uh who. was at an encampment and got beaten up. That's what they write in the report. And then if you read in yesterday's New. York Times, you know what actually happened?

There was an Israeli student. who came up to the encampment. and he was photographing it and. videotaping it. And the folks in the. encampment got nervous that they were. going to be, you know, it's the younger. people's uh uh expression. I don't use. it, doxing. They were afraid because of. those trucks going around that he was. filming them to dox them. We called in. my day to blacklist them, but your.

generation or was in the younger. generation call it doxing. And so they held up their kafias. to block him from. filming. And then there was some moment. where he might have been tapped. >> He might have been tapped. Uh one of the. demonstrators said on the back of his. book bag [snorts] and he did not file. police charges for assault or anything. like that. He did not. Then his father.

who's the Israeli council in Atlanta, he got into the picture and then you see. how everything is being orchestrated. >> and that became. the main piece of evidence. They said he. was assaulted. >> Somebody in the Congress said he was. pushed to the ground. Never happened. And then Bill Aman.

used, exploited, weaponized. that non-inccident incident to demand a. Harvard close down the encampments. >> Dam it's a it's a propagandist effort. backed by a a lot of money. >> Yes. >> Yeah. And by the way, that's exactly. what happened to that. I think she was. in Florida. We got to see he's wearing. an IDF t-shirt. She says like f you to. him and and I pushed his phone out of. the face and within hours Pam Bondi.

responded. Wow, that's amazing. I I. could not know that you could reach the. upper echelons [laughter] of government. Like I'm like oh a federal response to. oh what a puny little kid. I mean are. you kidding me? Like you put this up. there you pretend you're a victim. We. will not allow people to be You would. have thought it's hard and feathered. this kid with the response that it. received from the. >> How many times do you push people out of. your face? >> I mean, learn toughen up, kid. It's a. girl. >> But yeah, >> I'm not saying it's okay. I'm saying.

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There is so much human rights material. on it. About. maybe already four months ago, um South Africa, which has been. prosecuting. the uh the um genocide case, it. submitted to the International Court of. Justice. a 700page. memorial. [clears throat] That's. basically your brief with, believe it or.

not, 4,000 pages of documentation. >> So, it's. I I felt when I wrote the Gaza and. inquest into its martyrdom, nobody knew. anything about what was going on in. Gaza. I sat down and I read through all. the human rights reports, all the. available information. and I tried to reconstruct the picture.

of what has happened to that godforsaken. place. But that's not needed anymore. Like you said, most people have a. general knowledge of it. And then for. from a scholarly academic point of view, there's such a vast amount of. information available. I didn't feel I. need to repeat it. I didn't have to do. what I did with a Gaza book. So instead, what I did was I looked at key figures. in the international institutions,

people like Primila Patton. She was head of what. uh was called conflict related sexual. violence. They use the abbreviation. CRSV, a very clunky. uh abbreviation. And Secretary General Gutierrez. of the UN Security Council, UN system,

Secretary General Gutierrez, he has her go over to Israel to document. sexual violence against Israelis on. October 7. And she says, she comes back. and she says there's clear and. convincing [clears throat] evidence or. there is reasonable re reasonable. grounds to suppose the Hamas committed. rape on October 7th. And as of course.

you know and your camera people and your. team know that Israel ran with it. They. ran with it. The Hamas rapists. So you look at the evidence. I look at. what she has in her report. and apart from witnesses in quotes, Israeli witnesses, there is no evidence. Now you might say, well, it could still have happened.

without witnesses. Excuse me. It could still have happened. without evidence. But here's the thing. Towards the end of her report, she says. there's no medical evidence. of rape. There is no forensic evidence of rape. And then she has this revealing tidbit, and I hope all of your listeners will.

process it. She says, "We have 5,000. photographs. from October 7th." She said, "We looked. at her team looked at 5,000. photographs.". She said, "We looked at 50 hours of. digital footage.". That's not a small amount. >> 50 hours of v digital footage. They.

said, "We looked at CCTV. We looked at traffic cams. We looked at. body cams. We looked at dash cams.". Okay. Now, she says, "Not me, not you." Primila Patton says, "We saw no photographic or digital. evidence of sexual violence." She didn't.

even limit it to rape. She said we saw. no. direct. photographic or digital violence, digital evidence of rape. But. did that stop her from concluding? We have reasonable evidence. We have. clear and convincing evidence. There was no evidence.

>> It was money. >> It was what her whether it was money. I. can I I honestly can't say in her. particular. >> that's a guess for me that usually when. somebody comes to a conclusion like that. >> I kind of. >> there's a fellowship. There's just. something there that you'll find. But. I'm I'm not disputing that. I say as a. factual thing I can prove it. Okay. >> I'm not saying it's not true what you. said. >> I'm guessing and I don't know it's true. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But then as you know, Israel ran with.

it. And you know why they ran with it? Israelis did not need the incentive of. rape to commit genocide in Gaza. They. ran it with it for here. because of our own history. They knew it. would resonate here. because of the our own history of. slavery and the lynchings and so forth. >> That's was also behind the babies were. put in ovens which got debunked. It's. the idea here is actually what you're.

trying to exploit is Jewish American. emotion when you hear the concept of. ovens at all. And so that's that's very. and he did get caught by the way that he. did specifically share and this was a. part of the you know the BB trials which. are now I I don't know what the update. on that is but that he a team of. propagandists moved to spread lies to. the western public so that it's this. exactly. >> and and. it got weaponized here.

and then another. Jewish supremacist ist billionaire. This was Cheryl Sandberg, >> the former COO, chief operating officer. of Meta. She makes a documentary called Screams. Before Silence. Now, Cheryl Sandberg has a factual. manner. Do you know her? [snorts]. >> I don't know her.

>> Oh, I'm surprised. >> She's very smart. I know who she is, but. I know what she wrote her book and you. know, never got women lean in. >> Yeah, >> she was the top student in her class in. uh economics at Harvard. She's no fool. She knows she knows evidence. There was. by their own admission. there was no evidence. There was no. material evidence of rape. There was. not. In fact, I think the evidence, it's.

not just an absence of evidence. The fact that there's no photographic or. digital evidence, none. Now, if it were. the case, there were only three. pictures. But 5,000? Now, Candace, I don't know how old you. are, but obviously you're several. generations younger than myself. They said that the rapes, Israel said. that the rapes occurred in public, broad.

public space. Okay? And they said the witnesses. were in hiding. as they observed these gang rapes. they said. Now, I I'm not of the younger. generation, but I certainly observe the. younger generation. [clears throat]. You know, they they take pictures of. everything, everything they photograph.

You're walking along the street, you see. a dead pigeon, out comes the iPhone. You. see a bee in the air, out comes the. iPhone. You're telling me not one of these. witnesses thought to photograph a gang. rape? They say they're in the safety of a. hiding place. None. So, I think rather. than cast it as no evidence of rape, I. think it should be cast as overwhelming.

evidence that there was no rape. But. that doesn't stop. the top student in her year in the. Harvard economics department. from. making a documentary. claiming there was mass rape. on October 7th by Hamas. Why does she do it? It's very simple why. she does it.

There are the little facts. like the ones we just spoke of, the. pictures, the absence of medical. evidence, absence of forensic evidence, there are the little facts and then. as you well know. there is the cause. >> Mhm. There's the cause. And. all the.

uncomfortable little facts like there's. no evidence, they pale in comparison to the cause. The cause is. Israel must live. They're they're complete. supremacists. >> Now, I am not going to quarrel. with your deepseed belief. I will not.

quarrel with it. Israel must live. If. that's your belief, I won't quarrel with. it. But it's as if a German. during World War II. were making propaganda films. on the pretense. and they did. They made films saying the. concentration camps were in bad. They. went into some of them. They had this.

news rail footage made it look like a. summer home. You know, the issue now. or I should say the issue then during. World War II is not whether Germany. should live. at that point. The issue was. the mass extermination. of people. Nobody was denying Germany's.

right to live. What they were denying was. Germany's. uh execution. of a genocide. And it's the same thing now. You could. say. israel. must live or Israel will live to the end. of time. Fine. you could say it and I. grant you your belief. I don't happen to.

agree with it, but I. uh I'm not going to deny you that. I can. understand that sentiment. But when that sentiment. in the midst of what's happening in Gaza. now, uh, and. that part of it. is, it's not just morally unacceptable.

You're just a propagandist for genocide. She's no different. And I'll say it. and. Miss Sandberg. and I'm not going to deny you your. achievements and your accomplishments. I will not I recognize it's hard work. and she was not she wasn't born rich. She was I know I've heard people who. know her she was a hard worker. It's not. Barry Weiss. No, it's not.

Um, so I'm not going to. deny you. your achievements, but you're no. different than Lenny Reefento. that was the famous film propagandist. for Hitler. She wrote a she did a very. famous she was happened to be very. gifted in film. She used it for the. wrong purpose. uh she had made a famous. film called Triumph of the Will uh.

glorifying Hitler. You're no different. Okay, you're not on. the scale. of Lenny Reef and Snow, but you're a propagandist. This is not about let Israel live. The. issue is. let Palestine live. That's the issue right now. and uh you've just you have self.

recruited yourself as a propagandist. for a genocide. And by the way, Miss. Samberg, that's just not my opinion. It's as the most recent Washington poll. showed, 40% of American Jews. believe it's a genocide. You have. self. recruited yourself as a propagandist for.

genocide. as does. as does Mr. Van Jones. That's your. that's your. job title as of now. You know, it it's something that I want. to reiterate as as we close here and and. I want to basically direct people where. they can find your book, but I have said. this over and over again, and I think. it's starting to register with people.

If you side with evil, you should. remember that evil is always an orphan. If you are finding someone that feels. nothing when they kill a child, you are. dealing with somebody that has a. capacity for evil, that you mean. nothing. They will they won't even. flinch if they have to kill you, too. And this is something that I I I have. really uh taken the time to explain to. people like if if you will and that. includes you Jewish Americans, right? When we're speaking about BB and Yahoo. um and people with that capacity for. evil, there is nothing to those.

individuals but themselves. And you have. to be very careful when you're allying. with evil to realize that it will it. will snap in two seconds and take you. out. Evil's always an orphan. Um. >> I would just comment on that. You know, I think it cuts both ways. One of the. questions that's always been asked is, is it possible for a person to be evil, a mass murderer. in so to speak, one compartment of his. or her life, and then be just a very.

Okay. >> Absolutely not. >> I I I agree. It's an open question, but. if you ever have time, one film which very much struck me, nobody's ever heard of it. Uh, you. should watch it. It's called The Music. Box and it's about a young woman, a. lawyer. She lives in she lives in. Chicago. Her father sacrificed everything in his.

life. so she can get through law school. >> Okay. And. the film begins, she loves her father to. death. The father loves her to death. Okay. Who was a wonderful father to her. And the film begins with the US. government presenting her father with. papers. that he was a mass murderer during World.

War II in Hungary. >> Okay. her father. asks her to defend him. I don't want to give away the ending cuz. some people may watch it. The music box, >> but it explores that theme. >> and you will be I think you will be. touched and moved. >> by how that whole story unfolds. whether you can be a monster.

in one compartment of your life. and a loving family member in the other. Now, I'm not saying you're wrong. because I think it is a complicated. question, >> but it's worth pondering. >> Yeah, it definitely is worth pondering. Uh, and so I I want to point them in the. direction by the way, where can they get. your forthcoming book? Is that out now? >> No, it'll be out hopefully in January. >> So, in the interim, you guys, if you all. of these topics that we covered today. are really important. So, the Holocaust.

industry, we all know what's happening. Finally, we were at a circumstance uh. where the people uh can go backwards and. understand more about how that happened. Also, Gaza, an inquest into its. martyrdom. If you are just starting to. realize something is very wrong and you. need to independently educate yourself, that is a good place to start. And. lastly, I'll burn that bridge when I get. to it. And these are his heretical. thoughts on identity politics, cancel. culture, and academic freedom. I'm sure. some of this he and I disagree on and.

agree on, but uh but what I will say is. that one of my favorite things is that. this issue is bringing people together. from other sides and that that needs to. happen. We need to start allying. ourselves and recognize whether you view. yourself on the left or the right, doesn't matter. Do you follow goodness. or do you follow evil at your core? Um. anything that you would like to add. before we get you out of here? No, I. want to say. first of all when I was first on your. program, which is about two years ago.

now, I appreciated the fact that you. listened. You listened. >> and uh I was on with Jordan Peterson's. daughter. I forgot her name. >> Peterson. Yeah. >> And she listened. >> You don't have to agree with me. And. there are many things I said today we. didn't agree on. But I respect the fact that you were a. good listener. And I would also say that if you.

disagree with me, Mr. Shapiro, Ben Shapiro, Sam Harris, Van Jones. If you disagree with me, stop trying to not in the case of Van. Jones, but the others, come up and just talk about it. Try to. be Candy Sens. Listen, and then you can. respond just like she did. What's the.

fear? Why are you so afraid? You've received. countless requests to debate me and each. and every one of them you've turned. down. I sent a list, a very long list to. Piers Morgan. of people. They say, "Who would you like. to debate?". And. all of them turned it down. I put Ben. Shapiro on the list.

I put Sam Harris on the list. I would be. happy to debate Bill Maher. Even though I believe he's a I'd. be happy to debate him. Defend yourself. So, I believe you should have the courage of. your convictions. Miss Sandberg, let's debate it. Let's. debate what happened on October 7th and. whether there's any material evidence of.

right. Any material evidence of right. Let's look. Let's examine it. And I'm. appreciative. even though we come from very different. corners of the political universe. that you gave me the time. And I. remember somebody once said to me. uh she's a senior historian of Nazi. Holocaust. He says in judging a person.

character. is much more significance than ideology. You can have nasty people across the. political spectrum. character is a much better indicator of. a person than his or her ideology. And I discovered that with Raul. Hillberg, ideologically.

polar ends of the spectrum. But the guy, he came out slugging for. me. And that was a real, it was an. epiphany for me. And I I'm grateful that. you gave me the time as well. >> And I'm I'm grateful that we were able. to do this in person. And I think. there's going to be so many people who. challenge themselves and uh make sure. that they have the courage of their own. convictions. So you guys, so much to. learn, so much to process, all of us. just trying to make sure we know what we.

are saying and that the facts are on our. side. So thank you for joining us in. this discussion. We'll see you next. time. [music].