Candace Owens x Baron Coleman: The Real UVU Review. | Ep 407

All right, you guys. Happy Thursday. Actually, Baron, do you want to try. that? The intro? They're going to miss. me saying. All right, you guys. Happy. >> All right, you guys. Welcome in. Welcome. in. Welcome in. >> It's going to be a combo. Welcome in. Welcome in, ladies and gentlemen, boys. and girls. Boy, do we have a class for. you today. I've been wanting to do this. for a very long time. Uh, going. backwards. So much has happened in one. year since the beginning of this trial. Uh we've obviously dedicated me and. Baron a it feels like a year of our life.

to this and there's been so much. information and it's hard to sort of go. back and remember what happened and so. I'm hoping that we can put this all. together for you uh so that you can. reflect, remember, and refresh. yourselves on what you need to know. going into the trial since there's going. to be a trial date set. Uh we should. know more about that tomorrow. So let's. jump right in and welcome back to. Candace and Baron kind of. Yeah.

Okay. Where to begin? Like I said, there. is a lot to unpack. A lot to unpack. There are some things I actually don't. even know and I'm I'm going to have to. just completely toss to Baron because he. went down some rabbit holes that I. didn't go under. Didn't uh didn't go uh. follow him into and he knows a lot of. stuff about the warrants that were filed.

which is actually really important. Uh. but I think the best place to start as I. was thinking about how to pull this all. together is to just remind everybody of. what the official narrative is regarding. Tyler Robinson, and I'm putting that in. air quotations for a reason. what he did. on September 10th. I think that's a good. place to start, right? So, Baron, I'm. just gonna walk them through that so. everybody remembers. Uh, we hear from. Lance Twigs in his testimony that he.

believes that Tyler Robinson woke up. around 4:00 a.m. or 5:00 a.m. on the. morning of September 10th and he left. The assumption is that he then drove all. the way up to UVU campus. We then know. that he pulls in to uh UVU campus around. 8:30 a.m. and he is going to be wearing. the maroon shirt. He's going to be. wearing the light colored shorts and. he's going to have on a black hat with a. white logo and light colored shoes. We. then know uh that which is a story that.

we broke is that he drives at first to. the top of the parking structure, right? >> And he just sort of lingers there for. about 7 to 8 minutes before and and in. my again I don't want to read into it so. I'm just going to deliver the facts. We. don't know what he's doing in the car. before he then goes to a lower level and. then he gets out of his vehicle. And at. this point the federal narrative is that. he walks toward the amphitheater. He. approaches a as of yet unnamed Turning.

Point USA employee and he asks, "Is this. where they are having the event?" I do. want to interject right here and say. that I find this to be problematic. because we now know that Turning Point. USA's first employees did not arrive. until just about 9:00 a.m. >> That was in the parking lot away from. the amphitheater. They didn't get to the. amphitheater until even later than that, >> right? So, this is going to be, I think, a tricky spot. And and again, they're. they may have evidence of this. And.

we're supposed to think that he walked. up, he asked them this question. Again, seems weird to me. Also, just because. Tyler Robinson could have used his. context clues on that. Uh, the flyer. says it's going to happen in this this. event. You see them pulling in stuff, but whatever. We will leave it at the. federal narrative. Um, at that point we. know that we're told that he then is. going to after he goes up to.

uh at 9:33 after he goes up to this. person at Turning Point USA, we are then. told at 9:33ish. a.m. he leaves the UVU parking. structure. So that was it. He just came. onto campus to ask a question to ask if. this event was here. didn't trust the. flyer and he thought the best person to. ask was somebody working at the actual. event and then he leaves and that we. know that he gets caught on the uh. campus footage going up and down the. staircases. Then despite leaving at 9:30 a.m.

neighborhood cameras are going to catch. him just uh before 10:00 a.m. Now he's. still walking in his room shirt. So we. don't know what he did. I guess just. parked off campus, decided to park off. campus, returns to campus and he walks. through the tunnel and he decides he's. going to grab some Chick-fil-A and he's. going to eat. And so he heads towards. the Sorenson building. He purchases. food. He sits down, enjoys a meal, >> right? Uh and like I said, he's parked. off campus now. And we do have a map of.

what they say happens next. And I do. want you to walk them through it because. it's quite exceptional what they're. saying happens. Again, this is around. 10:10 a.m. after he's enjoying some. Chick-fil-A on campus. >> Yeah, he could take a really easy path. to scope out the Losi Center. >> Pick up the map. >> or he could do what we see here on the. screen, which is walk down the road, enter the UVU campus through the tunnel, walk over and get some Chick-fil-A, and.

then leave and head to the um the wooded. area over there. drop off a backpack, head over to the Gunther building, which. is shockingly the home of the UVU police. department, walk uh somehow from the. Gunther building to the computer science. building, and then go from the computer. science building on the walkway to the. low center railing. Um, if you look at. that and you think, man, that looks. pretty messy. Why did he walk all the. way to the woods to drop off a backpack. only to circle around to the police.

department before going into two other. buildings and then to the Losi center. railing? You're not alone. You're not. alone. Cuz a lot of us have the same. question. Why didn't he just walk from. the Chick-fil-A to the Losi building? It's about 10 ft, 20 ft. And he would have saved himself a lot of. steps. He wouldn't have had to worry. about how to get the backpack uh away. from the wooded area. He wouldn't have. had to walk by the police department. he. wouldn't have had to walk through. multiple buildings presumably being seen. on camera. How else would they have. known he was there?

>> So, it's it's it's a map that's. problematic. Yes, >> it's a map that raises serious questions. about the federal narrative just looking. at that. >> And I do want to say this is where they. declined to show us footage. >> Yeah. >> This is where they say we have him on. camera. He's eating at Chick-fil-A. You're at a, you know, a preliminary. hearing. You got one shot to pull. everything together. you've had a a full. 10 months to pull all this together. Why. are they not showing us any of this. footage in particular of him eating at. the Chick-fil-A sitting down? And then.

also, if you want to bring that back up, Chris, I actually want to keep talking. about this map. This map is crazy to me. Okay, so like just so you guys are. following that again, 9:57 a.m. They're. going to catch him walking through the. neighborhood and he is then for I don't. even know why he's entering the tunnel. Like there's that's not the easiest way. to get onto campus. Then he goes to. Chick-fil-A. I find that to be, you can. stop there, to be problematic because of. all the places, if you're going to. commit a crime and you are motivated by. LGBTQ issues to commit your first crime. ever and to murder someone, I probably.

wouldn't pick the Chick-fil-A. restaurant. >> Right. >> Right. That that's already weird. >> And not not to mention all the cameras. inside. Right. We have images from. inside the Sorenson Center looking at. the Chick-fil-A counter. There's two. cameras looking right at the counter. And then like you said, now he's going. to he's going to drop off his backpack, which he could have done much simpler, >> a different route on the way, but also. we don't know what happens to this. backpack. >> Okay, so Agent Hull testifies and he. says he then goes back onto campus and.

he's not wearing the backpack, but. nowhere else in his testimony does he. say, "And then we saw him head back. toward the backpack." It's just there's. a missing backpack here that we have. completely lost the thread on in the. federal narrative. And again, >> then going past the computer science. building and going na na boo boo in. front of the police in front of the UVU. police station which is in the Gunther. building feels very odd to me to only. then go to Losi and do the scope. So. he's on campus we're told um for that's.

an approximate hour. Um, we're told he. leaves campus just before 11:00 a.m. after having done all of that. And this. is when we know that he's going to now. change um into some different clothes. Now, he leaves campus at 11, just before. 11:00 a.m. At 11:28 a.m., he submits his. Wordle score. >> Yes. Yes. A long day of assassinating ahead of. you. You need to submit your WLE score.

to your friends. You don't know what's. going to happen afterwards. >> You don't know what's going to happen. after. You don't want to miss a day of. missak. >> Very strange thing to do right before. you're about to commit your first. murder. But I do want to point that out. that we know at 11:28 that's what. happened. Um and then we know that at. around 11, this is TMZ footage, 11:49. now he's wearing a different outfit. He's wearing the black long sleeve shirt. with the American flag and he is going.

to walk with a limp. now. And we were. initially told that the reason he's. walking with that limp was because we're. we were meant to assume that he's got a. 306 in there, >> disassembled perhaps. >> Yes, there had the the official. narrative is that the gun was. disassembled. >> um somehow down close and they never. explained whether they thought the the. right the barrel was down the front of. the back, the stock was down the front.

of the back. There was never an. explanation of how the gun was. disassembled and how it was packed. inside of him. >> Um, but that's the official narrative. that he's disassembled the gun and is. mosying around campus. Again, not just. like we had on that previous map. It. would have been very easy for him if he. wanted to scout out Losi to avoid every. camera, not take nearly as many steps, not see nearly as many people, and just. walk around the back of the computer. science building onto the Losi building. Same thing here. if he if he is having. trouble walking, there are shorter. routes to get where he was going.

>> My sources, the faculty sources that I. have at UVU said that he clearly wanted. to be caught on camera to take those. routes. And I do want to say we all made. the assumption that the uh the gun or. the disassembled gun, whatever it is, had to have been at he's dragging his. leg. So, there were some people who. said, "Well, maybe he had it up here.". Well, then why is he dragging his leg? Like, if it's in his belt, there's no. reason for him to be dragging his leg. So, we have a problem there with that. narrative. If you're going to say it's. at the bottom, the footage that we have. does not show that it's in his ankle. If.

you're going to say it's at the top, then you've got the problem with why is. he dragging his leg? So, that is it. performative? Is he pretending? We don't. know. Uh, we obviously all know what. happens next. At 12:15, he is going to. reach the top of the stairs near the. Lozy rooftop. He walks to a short. concrete wall that separates the common. area from the rooftop. That's when he's. just sort of looking over the wall. He. stands there for about se 70 seconds and. then he hops over and he ducks down. And. this is where again assumptions were.

made that he reassembled the rifle. There's no evidence of that that has. ever been presented. This is they're. just going use your imagination. What do. you think he does when he gets down low? Now the hunters are going to tell you if. How are we zeroing that scope? >> Yeah. How are we res like you can't just. put together a rifle and not fire a. couple of rounds to zero the scope? >> Not typically. And and the problem with. it is this is a shot you have to make.

>> You're going to take a life. You have to. make this shot. This isn't like you're. going deer hunting and if you miss, well, the deer gets away. >> Uh it's not like you're going target. practice um shooting and and if you. miss, you're like, "Oh, I need to move. it a little No, this is this is a once. in a-lifetime shot and you're going to, you know, in fact, in the pleading from. the government, one of the points they. made was that he was reckless and could. have put other people in jeopardy. because he reassembled the rifle and he. had jostled the scope in his in his. pants the entire way there for a mile or.

whatever, however far he walked. >> It it's it's a it's a gap in the. narrative that they've they've really. not explained satisfactoryy. >> Yeah. And I would also say they have not. explained that once we are supposed to. assume or as some people have explicitly. said that like Blake Nef said that he, you know, got down under there and he. reassembled the rifle. He didn't zero. the scope. Um I just when we presented. the footage of the lateral crawl, I. don't see a gun. I don't see how you do. a lateral crawl with that size gun. Um,

and then we obviously. see him uh lurched forward into a. position and we see him run off of the. rooftop and and jump off. I mean, he's. quite he's quite athletic is what I. would say. Whoever this individual is, he is quite athletic. >> He was very healthy. Obviously had no. injuries. Couldn't have had any kind of. injury to his body because that's a heck. of a fall. Um, it has to be pretty. athletic, you know. Is it an impossible. jump? No. But if you're not very. athletic, it might become a.

substantially more difficult jump. So I. would think whoever made that jump was. very athletic and very healthy. >> Okay. Charlie gets hit by what? We do. not know. The federal narrative is that. it's a 30 out six. He got very lucky on. not needing to zero the scope the scope. One shot. Didn't even think let me take. two just in case I don't get them. Uh. and then what happens is, according to. the feds, he jumps down. He runs away. and then I guess really Federal just.

kind of gets into him really wanting to. express himself to his lover about. everything that he had just done. I. mean, >> every single key detail. >> Yes. >> Every detail needed to convict Tyler. Robinson. >> was was mentioned in those text. messages, >> right? >> You would need nothing else except those. text messages, >> right? like everything of what he was. thinking, the motive, the who, the what, the when, the where, the hide, the the. why, the do you remember, didn't you see. me when I was carving the bullets, my.

dear, my love, you sort of um definitely. written like a Jane Austin novel. It's. very expressive and oh, I thought I. would get away with it and I don't want. you to get in trouble. I mean, it's it's. a lot for a person who's supposed to be. pretty smart to put all of this in. writing while simultaneously saying that. you wanted to get away with it. So, >> there there were there was one key um. discrepancy in there that I thought was. strange. He mentioned at first he didn't. know if it had a serial number. He said,

"I don't know if it has a serial number. I don't know if it'll get traced back to. me." Um if it does, it won't get traced. back to me. And later he says, "The. serial number will trace back to someone. else." At one point, he's saying, "I. don't know if it has one." the other. time he's saying yes it does and it'll. go to someone else. I I I I think that's. been unexplained um that discrepancy. But yeah, every single text message is. so tied to a single element of the. crime, even the enhancement factors. >> Some hate can't be negotiated out. Like. he he he's even premeditating. the aggravated charge,

>> the aggravating factor that's going to. be need to secure aggravated murder. It's incredible. Yes. >> I mean, I I've never seen anything like. it. I mean, even if if you're talking. about a person that sells pot and it's a. grandma pot, they won't they'll be. paranoid about texting about something. that small, but he's like full full. confession. Everything went to Lance. And that is why Lance's testimony has. proven. >> so controversial and crucial. Definitely. crucial to the state. Controversial, I. think, to the public. The Fed messages, I think, were one of the first signs,

uh, I think, and we can go over all of. them, where the public sort of said. something's not right. Okay. What was. the biggest thing for you? >> The wound. >> The wound. >> The the I could not get past the wound. I still can't get past the wound. Uh. I've been hunting. I've shot lots of. rifles. I've shot 300 sixes. I cannot. get past that wound. Um it does not look. like an entry wound and there not being. an exit wound in, you know, 3 4 in of of. neck tissue. It's it's an unbelievable. narrative to me. It's an absolutely. unbelievable narrative to include that.

wound in the neck and tell me it's a. 306. And they can't present any other. example in history. You see that they'll. be like, well, if you shoot a deer in. the abdomen, we're not talking about a. deer. We're not talking about an abdomin. abdomen. We are talking about a human. neck. >> being shot at close, relatively close. distance from a 306. And we are told. that it did not go through. And not only. did not go through, you're talking about. 1,500 lb of force coming at you. Charlie. didn't even fly backward. >> No, he just kind of slumped slumped back.

a little bit. And and you hear these. stories of someone getting shot in the. rib or someone getting shot in here. I. mean your abdomen has a huge amount of. tissue to absorb that blow to absorb all. that. Your neck does not. >> I mean it that much pressure coming into. your neck your your neck is not going to. expand to four times the size and come. back down and and not be picked. It's. just the wound doesn't make sense. That. was the very first indication that to me. something went terribly wrong. >> And do you know what? I would agree. I.

would answer the question the same way. And I would add to it obviously that I. was not at all suspicious of Turning. Point USA. So when people were going, "Who's this guy taking down the. cameras?" Which I think was the public. saw that and was going, "Whoa, this is. very strange." And I recognized him and. I was like, "Well, that's Terrell. I. know Ter. I worked with Terl for years.". And I called him thinking I was going to. help him clear his name. And my. immediate thing was, "Oh, I'm sure a. police officer told him to do that. immediately." And he was all nervous. And when he said that, "No, he didn't do. that because a police officer told him. to do that." And he couldn't tell me why. he did it. And then when I when I.

finally got him to show me the footage. like from behind and excuse excuses. weren't making sense and I realized. there was no wound, >> I thought, is this the reason why you. took the footage down quickly? Like. specifically that camera. >> of all of the cameras when he said, you. know, I told he spoke to Erica and he. wanted to make sure that she didn't see. what was done to Charlie. And then I. look at the footage and I'm like, this. is the cleanest angle you've got. >> Couple blood splatters here and there. That's it. this. So, why was this.

footage so crucial? And then to hear. them try to explain away. why didn't go through. Yeah. >> And the Superman neck narrative that he. was a man of steel and it was a. modern-day mir Christian miracle. That's when things got I felt were very. weird. >> Andrew Kovette has never retracted that. tweet. He's never retracted it. that. that Superman neck tweet is still on his. timeline and I don't believe he's. admitted that that that didn't happen.

>> That the miracle didn't happen. >> Well, no, that the the conversation with. the doctor didn't happen. I don't think. he's admitted that yet, >> you know, because the conversation with. the with the doctor did technically. happen. He's just quoting not the. doctor. And I think they were very. panicked. I know they were panicked. I. know I know for a fact that the feds. were on the phone with them um and. trying to discern whether or not I had. recorded the conversation with Terl on. FaceTime, which I had gratefully. Yeah. >> Um and then I think one of the things.

that's very strange is them sort of. stepping on the day of Charlie's actual. funeral being concerned about the fact. that I had told the public that the. bullet didn't go through. And you know, that was the common sense factor. Like I. I did not believe Erica at all when she. said to me that Andrew went rogue and. spoke to the surgeon alone and the. surgeon also went rogue, violated HIPPA. and spoke to a PR agent. It was a little. too steep of a hill. >> Well, and before Terrell Farnsworth.

grabs the camera footage, don't forget. he runs at break neck speed. I mean, Carl Lewis speed to jump up on a wall. and film a selfie of himself declaring. Charlie dead. The first person to. pronounce Charlie dead was Terrell. Farnsworth. Yeah. >> And it was within a minute or so of. Charlie even going down. He declares him. dead. He he has this very awkward selfie. moment. He He keeps flipping the camera. around back and forth so you can see. them dragging Charlie off. It was. gruesome. Um and it was so awkward.

I have I still to this day do not. understand why he showed that to you. >> I And what's funny is I didn't ask him. I didn't know he had filmed himself. I. didn't know any of that. I think he sort. of sent that. He was nervous when he. spoke to me on the phone and I think he. was nervous because I was just cutting. through the BS. He like forgot that I. worked with him and what he was saying I. don't know how to send a file. >> Mhm. >> And I'm nervous that Google's going to. hack me. I mean my team was all there. They were literally all witnesses and I. was the first time I looked up at them. the team and I said something's not. right. That was weird.

>> So that was the first moment that you. thought something was weird. >> Look because it was I wasn't expecting. it right. So, I was very team Turning. Point USA. And then Terl's phone call to. me and the excuses he was making up. because I said, "You can just show it to. me if your concern is I was thinking. maybe it was really bloody in the. background." He didn't want to show. Erica. I didn't want anybody to see it. I said, "I can fly to you. Uh, you can. come here. I I don't need people will. trust me. People I've earned the trust, I think, enough of people that if I say, look, I saw the footage and it's.

horrific and he did want to just get it. down or the cops told him, but he just. was all over." I mean, saying you don't. know how to send a file and you run an. audiovisisual company is in it's just. it's insane. >> I I it's hard for me to go back and. remember, but I think pretty much. everybody took it as an article of faith. that the bullet went through. >> We just assumed. >> because it had to it's a 306. It hit him. in the neck. It had to go through. In. fact, it was such a common narrative. that most people believed it was an exit. wound and that there was an entrance. wound from behind. And people were.

trying to figure out what angle, who. could have been where. uh because it did. look more like an exit wound. It was it. was I think substantially larger than a. typical entrance wound which is usually. no larger than the diameter of the. bullet uh usually. Um but it it looked. more like an exit wound the way the. blood came out and and so people just. assumed and because he didn't go. backwards I think people assumed the. bullet had come in from the from the. back and then you broke that news that. no in fact it did not come in from the. there was no entrance wound there was no. exit wound from the back. There was no. other wound on the back. I think it did.

throw the investigation kind of into a. tail spin for the official. >> And I think this is probably why I. became public enemy number one to them. because I did it so innocently like and. that's what's so funny as I go back now. and I reflect on how many times I had. sort of stumbled upon a really big story. without realizing how big it was cuz I. was just trying to like let me help you. clear your name and then I was going. whoa whoa that was really weird what's. going on and now suddenly people inside. of Turning Point are telling me the feds. are involved and they're worried about. this tape and I went something's not. right here. Do you remember the date of. that or roughly?

>> I do remember that. I had the phone call. with Terl. I think it's it was on the. >> September 19th. >> I was I was going to say it was the. 17th. Okay. >> I I could definitely look into that. >> But it was it was early. >> Do you remember when you reported it? >> Oh, 19th was when I had the phone call. with him. >> 19th was the FaceTime. Ashley says, "Yeah.". >> And do you remember when you reported. it? >> The very next day. >> Okay. So, Sep. No, I should have known. that, of course, cuz it was the day of. Charlie's actual funeral, not not the um. >> funeral event that was open to the.

public, but the actual funeral. >> and that's the day. >> the bed slot narrative started. unwinding. >> Yeah. And that was the day that he. tweeted he tweeted because they were. kind of panicking and Justin Strife was. calling my husband. My husband has no. idea what's going on. My husband doesn't. watch the show. He's like, "What?" He's. like, "Did you record some video? I've. got Justin Strife calling me." And I'm. like, "Why is he calling you asking this. question? Why does he care? Why does he. care?" And I didn't put two and two. together because I was still remember I. was totally agrieved in the state and my. brain wasn't processing information the. right way. And then I went, "Oh, this is.

a very big deal.". >> It's a very big deal. I I think the the. knock against Candace Owens is, "Well, she's never brought anything. She just. has dreams." No, we would all still. think that bullet went through. >> Yeah. And that was the point. I think. >> we would all still think it went through. and and frankly even people like me as. skeptical as I am would have would have. accepted perhaps the gunshot narrative. at that point. >> Yeah, me certainly me. So, I want to. kind of get into some of the holes that. have emerged because there the feds have. changed the story so many times. It's.

kind of incredible to reflect on the. things that they just dropped or. completely changed. And there's no. excuse for these changes. Like initially. when they came out and they said, "Okay, we've got our guy." Then they did this. big press conference. I think it was on. September 14th and then you had Cash. Patel and you had Governor Cox. So, they've now reviewed the footage. Um, and they're presenting to the public and. Governor Cox tells us that he changed. his clothes on the rooftop. So, that was. that was a narrative that they just. dropped and let go of. That's a that's a.

very big thing for him to have made a. mistake about. And no one interjected. and said, "No, that's not correct." We. were also told that Tyler Robinson was. suicidal um and that his parents were. concerned that he was going to commit. suicide and they were effectively, you. know, talking him off of a ledge. We. were, this was a major one, told that. his father turned turned him in because. his father thought he was guilty and. Bill Aman publicly offered $1 million to. Matt Robinson. like be because you're.

the person that saw this. What a brave. um what a what a brave father you are. Here's a million dollars. that's just been dropped. And I want to. add here I spoke to Bill Aman at this. time and I asked him specifically I did. I was totally upfront trying to get and. he was kind of lecturing me a little bit. about being careful with my platform. because it's a very big platform and. people can you know draw conclusions and. making sure that I have the facts. He. was very nice on the phone. It was very. >> Did you Did you view that as a threat at. the time? >> No. >> Do you look at that? >> He was very nice in the phone. He had. like his PR person or something. It was.

a social media type person on the phone. with him. I was totally. um just wanting information. Like I I I. really didn't have this. >> But looking back now, do you think it. was a threat? >> No. I think he genuinely was concerned. that people were roping him into things. that were not true. I think he cares. deeply about public perception of him. >> Right. >> So I never felt the conversation was. perfectly friendly. And I said to him. like, "I'm not try I just want to know. what happened." And I wanted to ask him. obviously about the Hampton Summit and.

he was honest about the fact that he had. funded the influencers to come out there. and uh regarding the father turning him. in. I said, "So who did you give the. money to Matt Robinson?" And he said. that he was giving the money to the. feds. >> Okay. >> Is that public? >> That's not public. This is the first. time I'm telling people this. >> That's I don't remember hearing that. >> Yeah. No, I because you know I was not. trying to I don't I don't have any. personal ills Aman. I have ill will. towards people that are lying about what. Charlie was going through throughout. those days and haven't been forthcoming.

And so he was forthcoming about the. summit. Basically said how we got. involved. And I then switched and I. said, "Well, what if it's we don't. really know anything about the case." I. said, "You're giving a million dollars. to Matt Robinson's dad. I mean to Tyler. Robinson's dad. Like what if it turns. out that like he's somehow involved?". Because I didn't know anything. These. are early days. >> And he's like, "Well, once I give the. money to the feds, it's up to them." So. I would like an update. I'd like to know. if Bill Aman. >> When did he tell you that? I you know. what? I gotta go my phone. It was right. in September. >> Oh, so it was over a year ago.

>> Yeah. >> So over a year ago. >> I was just talking to everybody. I was. just genuinely had did not have this. like this person did it or this person. did it or like I just was sort of like. now I see his motives like now he's like. sharing like fed not even fed slop like. targeting me and my family. >> DoD talking. >> stuff that I would have never ever done. to him. And now we understand that he's. like promoting these threads of Jennica. Pounds, but I he was not on my bad list. He was not on my bad list when I spoke. >> Did he call you out of the blue? >> No, I I reached out to him. Okay. And I.

because I was just investigating things. and we talked about the Hampton Summit. And like I said, he was forthcoming. He. was nice. I did not in any way feel. threatened. Um I just wanted. information. I I would I spoke to. everybody. Like anybody who was willing. to talk, I was willing to talk to. I do. think it's relevant that he did say um. that the money was going to to the FBI. and the FBI could then give the money to. whoever they wanted. And I and I. immediately sensed a problem with that. because I said, "Okay, well, like if. someone comes forward to catch because. he offered a reward um more information.

and then he said it was going to Matt. Robinson and then I had a source who. told me that Matt Robinson never even. had a conversation to that effect." So I. was like, "What's going on with that. Bill Aman story? Somebody should follow. up with that.". That is that is so bizarre to hand over. a million dollars to the feds over a. year ago. >> Can you try to find that tweet? I know. that's a that's a long time ago. That'll. at least let us like date it and figure. out when he made that because it was. pretty fast. And then he said something. about how brave Matt Robinson was and.

like the money he put up basically a. reward money and then said it was going. to Matt because Matt turned in Tyler. So. it was instant before Tyler Robinson had. been arrested. So, do you think it was. to try to set the narrative in the. public consciousness that Matt Robinson. turned in his son? >> Yes, I I think that now. >> Yeah, >> I do. And I think that I underestimated. how invested Bill Aman was in this until. time went on and I started seeing like. his, you know, personal vindictiveness. toward me. And if you just hosted a a.

summit in the Hamptons, why are you. angry about the fact that we exposed it? I mean, Seth Dylan lied. You got it. You. want to pull that up? We're going to. pull up that uh tweet here. Oh, that says Oh, okay. Here we go. He's. replying to a tweet breaking Alex Bruce. Witz and Robbie Starbucks. Add $25,000. each to the FBI's $100,000 award for. information leading to the capture of. Charlie Kirk's assassin. It's now at.

$150,000. And then Bill Aman says, "I am. in for a million dollar." So this was. like, whoa, you know, that's a lot of. money. And he seemed sincere in that. Like if he had just seen Charlie at his. house a couple of months, I'm like, okay, he's got money. That's to him. that's us giving 5K, right? like so he's. like I got five yeah like 50 bucks or. whatever. >> So. >> yeah the the look some of the comments. like million-dollar baby that that's. would have been a great thumbnail title. million dollar baby I'd like to chase. that down that that to me is a loose.

end. Um but yeah they dropped that. entirely. The Bill Aman money story got. completely completely dropped as did the. father turning him in. It never happened. as I have said from the very beginning. the father does not believe that his son. is guilty and um that they're just they. just kept lying about that. It seems. like now they're not really lying about. that, but more will come out if they. are. Um they first reported that the. screwdriver was found near the gun. Then. they radically changed that and said. actually it was found on the rooftop. Uh.

CNN was the first to report it and then. they came out and said, "Oh, there was. all this confusion in the early days.". And so that changed and then the Discord. narrative changed. Do you remember what. happened with Discord? >> No. Can we go back to the screwdriver. for just a second? Because there was a. key fact that that came in between the. screwdriver. >> being dropped originally. The. screwdriver was said to be in the woods. >> That was Fox News citing inside or CNN. maybe citing legal inside legal sources.

>> And then five or six days later, Cash. Patel comes out and says, "No, no, no. The screwdriver was on the roof." In. between those two dates, in between the. date CNN reported it and Cash Patel. relocated it to the roof. Um, the. results came back from the DNA and the. fingerprint and nothing put Tyler. Robinson on the roof. The DNA didn't put. him on the roof because it was. indeterminate. The fingerprint, they. couldn't determine whose that was. And. then all of a sudden, the screwdriver. telelet transansports to the top of the. roof. >> And I always found that a little magical. because right now that's the only thing.

putting Tyler Robinson on the roof, >> right? >> That's the only thing. And and you can. say, "Well, anybody could put a. screwdriver on the roof." Yeah. I mean, maybe a Slenderman jumps and throws it. off, but. something had to have his DNA on the. roof. You had to put something up there. There's no photographs of him. There's. no, you know, they say it's a footprint. You can't tell a Converse footprint in a. bunch of gravel. I mean, there's just. nothing up there putting him on a roof, >> right? >> Except that screwdriver. >> Yeah. And I And I do want to go over the. evidence. I want people to understand. what actually happened during the. preliminary hearing and how how to weigh. that evidence, how relevant that.

evidence is. That was actually something. I desperately wanted to do when I was. debating Andrew Wilson, but obviously he. had no idea what was going on. So, I'm. I'm glad we had the opportunity to do. that today. I I want to we can do that. right after this, too. The Discord. message narrative that was dropped. I do. want to point to uh the fact that a lot. of these narratives were set by the. probable cause um uh what is this like. the write up that they gave the. affidavit, right? And in this affidav. I'm going to read to you what it says. happened. So, they then gased us and. were like, "No, there was never any. messages on Discord." because Discord. themselves came out and said these.

conversations did not take place on. Discord. And what people don't realize. about this like probable cause. affidavit, this is a cop typing up a. bunch of things or whatever. It's just. like the hearing where there nothing. needs to be super concrete. Like it's. just he's putting together things. Hearsay is allowed in into this. So you. have no idea who it's coming from. If it. says his mom recognized him, it doesn't. mean that the mother they have a. statement from the mother that says that. I recognize my son. It means they spoke. to someone who said the mom recognized.

him. >> and and she's allowed to infer it. This. is the thing a lot of people. >> to infer. >> Nothing in the statement of facts or the. probable cause affidavit will ever see. the light of day in front of a jury. They'll put the charges up in front of. the jury. The jury's going to look at. that, but they will never see this set. of facts. All this is is going to the. judge and saying, "We have a basis to. hold this guy.". >> Right? >> This is a basis to hold this guy, you. know, and we think it's right. we think. it's right. >> and we're going to now investigate and. we're going to figure out how right we. are but we have a basis to hold him and. the discord messages this is coming. directly from that affidavit he said uh.

whoever wrote it wrote investigators. asked if he and we're referring to Lance. Twigs would actually let me go up here. investigators identified an individual. as the roommate of Tyler Robinson. investigators interviewed the roommate. who stated that his roommate we're. referring to Robinson had made a joke on. Discord investigators asked if he would. show them the messages on Discord. He. opened it and showed several messages to. investigators and allowed the. investigators to take photos of the. screen as each message was shown by.

Robinson's roommate. So, the Discord. narrative came from this. Okay, there. the context is very clear. This does not. sound like a mistake. We then were like, okay, so he's communicating on Discord. And then when Discord very quickly came. out and said there was no conversations, no plotting, nothing on Discord, then. they sort of said, no, no, no, no, no, okay. know that we meant actually that. it was all via text message and so this. could be some sloppy police writing. Maybe his English grammar is not. correct, but that was the basis of that. and then that narrative also got.

dropped. We absolutely should talk about. the evidence at the trial. I want to get. there because it's so important for you. guys to understand. They have literally. nothing at the moment. In my view, there. is nothing if you watch the preliminary. hearing that you walked away and said is. a concrete piece of evidence. And I'm. talking about DNA, physical connecting. the dots here. This gun fired this. bullet. None of that exists. >> They don't even have text messages. I'm. sorry. People fight on that all the. time. They don't have text messages.

They don't have Discord messages. Not. based on what they introduced at the. preliminary hearing. And and that I. could explain that further, but. >> you know, none nothing they showed at. the preliminary hearing is going to be. put in front of a jury. >> Correct. >> Nothing. Yeah. >> Because you're not going to be able to. just just drop these text messages in. front of somebody. Lance Twigs is gonna. have to come in and authenticate him. That's right. >> And and and then the defense is going to. have an opportunity to look at the cell. phone extraction. I mean, there's. there's so many steps between what we. saw on the preliminary hearing and. what's going to be introduced at trial.

Um that. there's no guarantee we'll see any of. it. Here's my here's my thing about. looking at the what actually happened at. the trial, which I'm so happy that it. was all aired and everybody could watch. it because if we had to rely on. influencers in court being overwhelmed. like the performance was unbelievable. and it was because if people were. actually listening and following to what. was happening every day you were going, "This is I'm I'm I'm struggling to. believe this." Day trial day one was.

officer Christopher Baggley. Who could. forget officer Christopher Bagley? your. opinion on officer Bagley? >> I call him Officer Bag Boy. I I don't I. don't find him a credible individual. Um. I it's he kind of reminds me of a guy. who sort of fails upward in life. I'm. not I'm not, you know, knocking the guy. Maybe he's doing the best he can, but he. he got so many things wrong. He just got. so many things wrong over and over and. over that, you know, if someone gets. something wrong multiple times and. sometimes it benefits them and sometimes. it benefits the other side, you think,

okay, well, they're just, you know, maybe not real sharp. But when they. always get it wrong to benefit the other. side, it it looks like a motive. It. looks like it looks like a reason. they're doing it. And that's kind of how. I look at Bagley. >> And just so you guys, if if you've never. followed this case, Officer Christopher. Baggley is the Utah Valley Police. Department uh police officer who had. init he was the first person who said to. the police maybe the shot came from Loi. Rooftop. And then he is the one that. then runs to Loy Rooftop with another. officer in hand from Utah State.

University named Alan Robertson. And. they get up there and the first thing. that happens is Bagley says, "Oh, look, a screwdriver." And what was problematic. about his testimony, the biggest things. that are problematic is he said that. conveniently his body cam footage died. in that moment where he discovered the. screwdriver. Um, okay, let's just take. that as it is. Uh the second thing that. I found to be exceedingly problematic is. that when you are getting ready to. testify, especially for a case this big,

but for every case, your lawyer preps. you. Your lawyer preps you extensively. on the information you need to remember, the information that you need to reflect. on. So when someone says, "I don't. know." And they've had a year to get the. answer to something, almost a year, it. it strikes me as odd. And he says that. he did did not know and did not remember. who was the plain clothes officer that. accompanied him onto the rooftop at. Lozi. That to me registered as not the.

whole truth. >> Yeah. Hugely problematic. And and the. idea that you would just take a random. guy in plain clothes with a gun at a. shooting event that you don't know and. say, "Here, come with me to this. isolated remote location." and we'll go. up there together. >> How do I know you're not the killer? >> Yeah. And the whole idea that he just. was meandering around. I was like, "Wait. a minute. We should go to the Losi. Center." I I I find that problematic as. well. Um, you know, I'm not I'm not. suggesting I don't think overtly that I. believe Bagley was was in on it or. whatever, but I I think he his testimony.

was just a disaster for. >> I would say it was unconvincing. >> It was very unconvincing. And the Axon. body camera dying. I mean, every police. officer across the United States. messaged me and were like, Candace, this. the Axon body, it gives you a warning. before it dies. It beeps loudly. It. turns red. So, did he not know? Did he. not hear that? That also seems. extraordinary. >> And he's on photo and video shortly. before going up to the Losi Center. And. there's no red ring around his Axon body. camera. >> Yeah. So I am keen to hear more about.

that and hopefully we will but I would. say definitely unconvincing trial day. one. Then uh they bring in the second. witness which is agent David Hull. Agent. David Hall has been with the SBI so uh. the state bureau of investigations for. 12 years and he is the co-lead. investigator on this case. He was. initially put on the case with Brian. Davis. We'll get to him in a bit. Um and. he is uh he's sizzle real guy. That's. the best way to remember him is he is. sizzle real guy. He is the person that.

is going to present the video, the now. notorious video 12.1 of who they are. just calling Tyler Robinson in the video. that is here. He is coming onto campus. and here's what he's doing and here's. what the event and then he went here. He's speaking very quickly through the. video and basically trying to just get. you to think that this individual that. we're seeing is Tyler Robinson. How did. you find agent David Hull and his sizzle. reel? I found him uh entirely. unconvincing for a couple reasons and.

not just his haircut. Uh for a couple. reasons. One is the the photos I mean. the videos he was showing were out of. order. They skipped around. Some of them. were mirrored. Some of them jumped ahead. a minute and a half and he didn't he. didn't explain why. Sometimes there's a. video up and he's talking about a. different time period. You know, there's. a guy standing in black at the at the. top of a stairwell. He's talking about a. guy in maroon walking around campus. Uh. there it was it was so out of order, so. out of sorts that you look at it. thought, what is he doing? What why is. he testifying? Why can't they slow down?

We've got five days. This is a very. important part of the testimony. We're. trying to put Tyler Robinson on campus. >> This is a key. You have to be on campus. to take the shot. We're trying to put. him on campus. Okay. A guy leaves and another guy comes. back dressed completely differently head. to toe with a different backpack. Why do. you think it's Tyler Robinson? I don't. know. Kind of looks like him. Okay. Guilty start. Guilty. part was he did. know they were wearing the same similar. sneakers, Converse sneakers. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We should actually roll that clip.

I still think it's the one of the most. amazing things I've ever This toughest. police work I've ever seen. Take a. listen. >> Do you recognize the person in these. images? >> I wouldn't say with 100% certainty just. because of camera quality, but that. looks like him. The shoes he's wearing, the sunglasses. Yeah, sorry. I think that was the wrong. clip. That was Lance, but similarly, Lance did also say like, "Yeah, he's. wearing jeans." It's I mean, this was. how they figured out that person one was.

person two is that nobody's ever worn. jeans on a college campus in a t-shirt. and Converse, but Agent Ho specifically. says, "This is how we cuz I was that's a. big thing. How did you even know the. maroon guy was the guy that comes back. in the black shirt?" And that was their. police agent FBI co-lead investig. investigator saying because they were. both wearing Converse sneakers. had a. different he had a different hat, a. different shirt, different pants. >> Everything on him was different. And he. looks different in the face. His hair. looks different. >> Right. Right. We have the clip, the. correct clip. Now, let's play that.

>> You believe this is Mr. Robinson. returning to campus? >> I do. Yes. >> Okay. And And why do you believe this. Mr. Robinson? >> Uh, the shoes are the same. And um the. images that we have. are. from from my viewing and and seeing Mr. Robinson on the video. It's the same. person. >> Yeah. Shoes shoes are the same. He. walked through the same tunnel. I mean, >> they don't look like they're the same. height to me. They're not walking the. same. One's limping. Like, that is the. craziest. You can't just say that. You.

can't just say stuff. And that's what he. does. So, I'm going, they have not even. connected these two people yet. In a. way, that is sufficient that people. should publicly accept as concrete. evidence. Maybe they will, but for me, this is a major hole in the story. How. do we know Maroon Boy is not a. completely different person than the. person who reappears onto campus around. 11:00 a.m.? >> Well, and it's not lost on me that this. is a criminal trial for the life of. Tyler Robinson. >> You have to get it right. You have to. get it right. If you believe it's him. because there's a cell phone signal in.

his pocket and it comes in the same and. it's the same cell phone signal and we. believe that's the same cell phone Tyler. Robinson was carrying, then testify that. way. Tell us that. Don't tell us he wore. Converse. And I'm going to also say he. suffers from a level of amnesia. Again, you are in a lead position at the FBI. You can get concrete answers before you. hit the stand. He says uh when he's. asked about an offduty trooper named. Noah Gonzalez who was interviewed and. recovered a holster on the scene, he. says he doesn't remember that. Um then.

he's asked about what time he went on to. the Loi Center in the evening. He says. he doesn't remember what time he went up. to center in the evening. These are. literally the things that you know the. lawyers sit down with you and they go. over every single detail before you. testify. It's been a year. Why don't you. know what time you went on to the lawyer. center in the evening? He also admits. that he is not aware. He's the co-lead. on the case. He is not aware of who. ordered the dirt to be paved the uh the. crime of the scene to be paid over the. dirt. >> Didn't he say that he learned it the.

same way everyone else. >> by the news or social media or. something? >> He may have. He's but I know he. officially for and these are just my. notes. He says that he doesn't know who. ordered. So he he's the lead. investigator and it's not something in. 10 months that he thought, "Hey, that is. kind of weird." Yeah, >> that's my crime scene. Who's doing that? He's just like, "No, >> no. Tore up 10 inches of my crime scene. and I'm okay with it. >> I'm okay with it." Never wanted to know. anything. And by the way, that suggests. that it's someone higher than him, right? Because if you're the FBI and. somebody did this and you don't know,

you're the the lead on this case, then. the person who ordered it, and again, this is me using common sense, has to. sit above you, right? We got we got. someone who sits above the lead on the. case in the FBI because you can't go. messing around with somebody's crime. scene a couple of days later. >> I wouldn't think you could dig 10 inches. of it up and then pave it over. >> Yeah. >> I mean, and and that's reality. But. there's more than that to David Hull. There are tens of thousands, hundreds of. thousands of people following this very, very closely, investigating, looking. things up. I challenge anyone. I mean, no one knows who he is,

>> right? >> He's a ghost. He's an absolute ghost. And so, this ghost gets brought in to. lead the investigation. He says some. pretty absurd things in the testimony. and everybody's supposed to go, "Yeah, yeah, guy with a snazzy haircut. I mean, what can we do?". >> Right? And we had we yeah, a lot of. trouble learning anything about him. He. has a trace accent that sounds almost. like Australian, South African. seems to. change. >> It does seem to change and so I can't. place him either. Maybe you know him. personally. Please feel free to email us. more tips canowens.com. Maybe he did maybe he was overseas.

Maybe he's military. A lot of these. people who I can't seem to find tend to. be military. Um but we would definitely. like some more information about Hull. Maybe you've worked with him and can. tell us more. More tips at. candacewowens.com. Again, we are looking about we're. talking about David Hall who is the. co-lead. >> And if you know him, you know him. Look. at that haircut. There's no way you. don't remember that. Mm-m. Mm- That's a. porcupine haircut. It's He's got a very. uh definitive look there going on. Now, I want to now get to a very important. person who was a witness. I actually. very much liked her. Her name was Amanda.

Baker. She was the forensic examiner. from the FBI, Quanico, Virginia. Uh. she's been there for 10 years. She was. requested by the state of Utah to do the. testing on the towel and the. screwdriver. Okay. So, that's the. background of who she is. She testifies. that normally to turn around the DNA it. takes between 90 and 200 days, but this. case she was asked to speed up due to. the high-profile nature of it. And she. said that means that they were. instructed to basically work around the. clock. There's a very important part of.

her testimony where she talks about. September 13th. She takes meticulous. notes and she talks about this date, September 13th. And I'm going to tell. you guys, this is the date where Cash. Patel, I think it was Fox News, Ashley, if you can find the clip, let me know. He comes out and he says, "We were able. to connect Tyler Robinson's DNA." Okay. She testifies that that not only is that. not true, she spoke to the FBI special. agent Fulier and the Utah FBI, David. Hull, on the phone. They called her. They're like, "Hey, you know, we want to.

rush this thing." And she and they just. asked her whether or not they could uh. if it's plausible that Tyler Robinson's. DNA, like basically his DNA could not be. excluded from the sample. And they then. tell her, "There's no need for you to do. any additional comparisons at this time. Stop." Essentially, stop testing. This. is the answer that we're looking for. And then they went out and said. something that she never ever said. She. specifically says in her testimony that. she could have never told them that.

Tyler Robinson's DNA was on on the towel. um or the screwdriver. And yet, Cash. Patel lied publicly, misrepresenting. these facts. Ashley, again, tell me if. you can find that. I I didn't ask you to. pull that before. Um, but there are a. couple more things that she went. through. She said that just because DNA. is on an item, it does not mean that an. individual touched or used that item. So, that's something that you should. just know. Even if they found DNA on a. towel, it does not mean that the. individual touched that item or used. that item because that's how easy it is. to transfer DNA. Uh, she said also that.

DNA can persist on any item. indefinitely. Um, and also that it can. degrade over time. They have worked on. items in in her experience that were 40. or 50 years old and they were still able. to recover DNA from that item. Like that. is like degraded. She said you'll see. that there's some degrading signs, but. like this could have been touched 50. years ago and we could still pull your. DNA. That's incredible. >> Tyler could have used that gun when he. was 12 years old.

>> And he could have never touched it, >> right? >> He could have touched his father's hand. Well, and the thing I mean, Lance Twigs. could have grabbed a toothbrush and. rubbed it on everything. He could have. rubbed his bath towel on everything. >> And that's really important. She really. gets into telling you what DNA. degradation is. And then he he has her. walk through how degradation can happen, how long it can stay on, and then he. kind of walks her into this broader. point about the the the screwdriver. And. she says the samples on the screwdriver. were tremendously degraded. So that. signified to me immediately that she's.

saying a I don't know how the DNA got on. there. There's no, you cannot make the. statement that Tyler Robinson touched. the screwdriver. B, she testifies that. Lance's DNA is also found on the. screwdriver, but you also can't make the. statement that Lance Twigs touched the. screwdriver. This could have just rolled. in their house. I don't know. And and. that's it. That's how it got on there. And um she she impressed upon in her. testimony the fact that the screwdriver. the DNA full stop was degraded. So. that's why I am of the opinion uh which. I've expressed on the show this week.

that the screwdriver was just dropped. there. It was never there to put the. that would be fresh DNA that's not going. to be degraded. If you put together and. you crouch down like Blake Nep was. trying to say and you put together this. thing and didn't need to zero it. You're. going to have fresh DNA, not degraded. DNA on that screwdriver. Um and then. regarding the towel, I I actually can't. even follow what they're trying to say. happened with the towel. Like. >> where was the towel? Where was the. towel? I think a lot of people assumed. it was on the roof. >> Yeah, but they actually never said that. >> They never said that. And and and and.

you pointed that out to me. They never. said it was on the roof. Everybody. assumed it was cuz when they showed the. video of him jumping down or whoever. jumping down, you see this object swing. >> Now they're telling us that's a gun. I. don't know how a gun bends like that. But um so I always assumed, oh, that. must have been the towel. You say. they've never said that. >> Yeah. And because I just thought to. myself, if you're planning out this. assassination, why would you bring a. towel to cover a gun? A towel is going. to look objectively weird in a college. campus. Like that's gonna stand out. If. I'm walking down a college campus and.

I've just got a towel, you're gonna be. like, "Did you just shower here?" You. have all of the ability to get a bag. You can get a you could throw that gun. into a large, I don't know, tennis bag, a sports bag. You could get a an actual. shooting bag. You know, the nice. shooting bags that you have. And none of. that's going to stand out. If I see you. on a college campus, you just have a bag. of some description. But holding a towel. is not the best way to cover a 30 on. six. It looks weird. >> Yeah. You'd have to, I guess, roll it up. in there and and now you're walking down. with a rolled up towel down the road. >> Is there a beach around here? What are. we doing with the rolled up towel? Did.

you just come from the showers? So, that. didn't seem right to me. And then I. realized they never said they never said. that. We just all in our head assumed. that the towel must have been on the. roof. There's actually no evidence of. that. >> We We all put it in the roof in our. mind. >> I think it came from the the swinging. object in his hand when he jumped down. >> Yeah. >> But that could have been a backpack, could have been a jacket, could have. been anything. All we know is that when. we do get the towel, he has it sitting. on the gun. And I think that's why they. they constantly want us to start putting. together a story that they're not. actually saying. Maybe it's that. backpack that was left behind. Maybe he.

then took it out cuz he was going to. cover the gun and come back and try to. retrieve it and he was just going to. cover it with a towel. I don't know what. the purpose of the towel is yet. It has. not been made clear to me. I also. thought maybe they were going to suggest. that he tried to wipe away his DNA. Well, you don't wipe away your DNA with. your DNA. So, that would be stupid. >> Yeah. If his DNA is all over the towel. cuz he took a shower, you're not going. to then take it to to wipe it down. >> Yes. Exactly. So, um that was really. interesting about just her testimony in. general. And again, regarding the towel, we again have a situation where Lance,

both Lance Twigs and Tyler Robinson have. some DNA on those items. So, if you're. going to make a statement that you think. the evidence is overwhelming on the. basis of DNA that we don't know how it. got on there or if they ever touched it, you you're now saying evenly you believe. that it was Tyler Robinson and you. believe that it could be Lance Twigs on. the basis of those two items. >> Yeah. >> You have the cash clip. Yeah. So, knowing that Amanda Baker testifies and. says that she never made this statement. and she was asked to basically stop uh. looking into and doing comparisons and.

she was under duress and it was rushed. Listen to how Cash Patel presents this. information. And I can report today that the DNA hits. from the towel that was wrapped around. the firearm and the DNA on the. screwdriver are positively processed for. the suspect in custody. >> Amanda Baker disputes that. And she. works for him. She works at Quanico. >> I was listening to him, but I was. watching that guy jump off the roof. again. There's no gun. I'm sorry. There's just no gun. I You can't find. it. Guns don't move that way.

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probative cause hearing. He talks about. this character, Mike Mitchell. I don't. know how I feel about Mike Mitchell. I. feel like Mike Mitchell is kind of a. shady character um who gave the police. what they needed for the probable, you. know, like the probable cause affidavit. And I I don't know how I feel about him. this shady character in the background. that is a family friend of the. Robinsons. I think most of the. information that they used was probably. given to them by Mike Mitchell. We'll. find out obviously. We don't need to. read into that. Uh but he does also talk.

about why they decided to give Lance uh. use immunity. And I I do not understand. if Lance is telling the truth. You have. a pre-recorded interview. You can't go. wrong here. It's pre-recorded. You have. almost a year, what 9 10 months here to. go check his messages, see what's right, see what's accurate. Maybe I'm ignorant. You have a legal background. I don't. Why are they giving Lance use immunity. for this pre-recorded testimony? >> I honestly don't know except if I have a.

client and he's going to testify and he. lived with a guy and he touched a piece. of evidence, I would probably say he's. going to take the fifth unless you give. him some immunity. That's the only thing. I can say. So from the lawyer side, >> from the lawyer side, the lawyer's going. to say, "No, he touched the note. >> He's going to testify. lived with him. A. lot of the evidence was found in their. shared room. You're giving him use. immunity for anything he says. >> Okay. >> I I I could see a lawyer doing that. I. don't I don't I don't read a lot into. the use immunity. I know a lot of people. do, but I I as a lawyer don't. >> Okay. So, you think it's just like Yeah, the lawyer argued for it and that's what. he did. Okay. They admit he admits.

during his testimony that the text. messages were not published in their. entirety, just relevant portions for the. state's probable cause. And I do want to. talk about the text messages because. this became this is the whole point of. people who believe they're like the but. the text messages but the text messages. and as you had pointed out this is going. to be a major thing that they have to. verify because their whole it's all. riding on these text messages and. >> if if the text messages get bounced the. case is over. Tyler Robinson goes home. He doesn't get indicted. I mean he.

doesn't get uh convicted of anything. I. I don't think I don't think there's any. way to convict him without the text. messages. I don't think Lance's. testimony the next morning is even. enough. >> And people were acting like it's. extraordinary for us to consider. And by. the way, this is just our common sense. that there was way too much information. But this is a person that he's dating. This is his boyfriend. This is his. roommate. Lance says he's home the whole. day. He's home. We're don't even prod. that narrative. He was sleeping until 12. or 1:00 p.m. And then even when he found. out that Charlie Kirk uh had been.

assassinated, he wasn't that interested. in it. the biggest assassination since. JFK. Is it possible that he logged in to his. boyfriend's. Discord account? Is it possible since. they play video games and they're on. this whole, you know, threads together. that he logged in to his boyfriend's. text messages on iMessage? Is it weird. to anybody that when we see Lance's. phone and he's giving his testimony that. the phone is cracked at the part where. we can see the time? Ashley, do we have.

a photo of that? Wow. That's How do you break your phone. like that? >> There's a couple of things about this. One is that that dead cell that goes. from the top to the bottom then green. It It crosses over and sometimes it. doesn't cross over the text messages. And I I find that weird. I've had one of. those on my phone. When I had it, it. crossed over everything. I'm not a phone. expert. I don't know what to make of. that. Uh maybe there are phone experts. out there who can send you a tip and. say, "Hey, yeah, no, that's not right.". But I look at that green dead dead uh.

cell that goes from the top to the. bottom and that doesn't look right to. me. >> Yeah. I I don't even know what that's. supposed to be. What is it supposed to. be? >> So when your phone dies, you know where. the whatever it was hit the clock area. up there, the top, sometimes it will do. enough damage that it'll kill that whole. cell from top to bottom. >> So it can't produce any imagery. Well, if it can't produce any any imagery, it. should be a I think a solid green line. from the top all the way to the bottom. But there are some of the parts of the. text message are actually over the top. of that. And that looks wrong to me, but. I'm not an expert and don't know. It's.

just something I noticed. >> And it's really interesting that like in. the in in the probable cause affidavit, like they mentioned the fact that they. took photos of his phone. And this is. this is obviously the photos of his. phone. The fact that right where we. could see the time of that, which is. where we could place Lance at the police. station. He that's where he's supposed. to be. Not able to be done. And that. looks to me like he just stabbed. >> somebody just stabbed the corner. And. when you go and watch his body language, he looks very uncomfortable when he's. talking about these messages. Even at. one point, I think he says like the. phone as opposed to my phone. Um I I I.

think I'm recalling that correctly. And. then he totally loosens up when he is. telling the truth when they're like, "Well, how do you know Tyler?" And then. suddenly you suddenly know he's telling. the truth and he's like, "Oh, we play. video games. We met because of this.". yada yada yada. All of this stuff. And. I'm going, "Okay, there's a totally. different demeanor here than when he. starts speaking about these tech. messages." And he's like, "I don't. know." and getting into Lance Twig's. pre-recorded interview, he also tells us. rather explosively their entire. narrative is that this is like an LGBTQ. crime. The text messages also portray.

that that's the narrative. So, he's. telling, "Why did you do this?" You. know, some hate can't be negotiated. But. then Lance gets up there and he says, "Never really thought about it. Never. talked about it. It's never came up." A. couple of things on the text messages. One is there are a lot of people who. suggest maybe the text messages arrived. on Lance's and Tyler's phone uh from. some source originating outside of. Tyler's phone. And a lot of people go, "Oh, well, maybe the government planted. them." I I don't think the government.

could have planted them. I think it's. pretty complex, but I don't think it. would have been hard. If you read the. search warrants, they pulled out all. kinds of iOS devices, all kinds of. operating Mac operating system devices, iPads, um other uh uh iPhones, uh a. computer tower that could have been. logged in, a Raspberry Pi device that. could have potentially generated these. types of text messages. It's not it's. not out of the realm of possibility for. me to believe that someone might have. logged into his account or just accessed. an account that was already logged in. and generated these text messages.

They're they're so detailed. they're so. out of the ordinary that it it doesn't. strike me as weird. If you accept that. they're real, that's fine. But I think. you should want to know more. Like, let. me look at the extraction. Let me look. at the actual technical uh information. and then I'll make a determination. whether I think these text messages rise. to the level of convicting Tyler. Robinson because a lot of people are. convicting Tyler Robinson in their minds. based on these text messages again that. have not been properly authenticated. >> That's right. >> That have not been properly. technologically undergurtded. Mhm.

>> We're just looking at pictures from a. broken cell phone, right? >> And people are like, "Yep, fry them.". >> Yeah. And like I said, the text messages. are just they're unbelievable. They're. It's way too detailed. They said way too. much. It's like you said, every single. piece that they would need to convict. him is in these messages. And that's. just it's too stupid for me to believe. that any person would not just. Especially if you're going to see him. later that night. >> Just just drive home. >> Yeah. >> Have a conversation face to face. You. would expect him to say, "Can you meet? Can we do this?" Whatever. Whatever.

I'll be home in 4 hours. >> I'm waiting. I'm waiting to retrieve my. rifle. I'm doing this. It it it just is. completely crazy to me. I do not accept. the messages are are are legitimate just. on the basis of common sense. I am happy. to be proven wrong. We have not yet been. presented with anything. Obviously, it's. a preliminary hearing, but I I find it. they're they're just a little bit too. precise. Um he does open up about their. relationship, how they got to know each. other. Um, they met in 2023. They became. roommates. They began dating three.

months later in St. George. Um, they. have an apartment complex together. Uh, and like I said, you really see him. start to like loosen up when he starts. talking about things that I believe he's. being honest about. Uh, I find it very. strange that he says that he saw Tyler. on the 11th on the morning when he woke. up. And again, he tells us that Tyler. gave him this confession. So, he's got. the confession letter, which we're never. going to be able to test for DNA. Forget. it. He finds a letter under his. keyboard. It's from Tyler. He authored. this letter and said, you know, text.

messages, look under your keyboard. And. then, of course, there's this letter. where he once again admits to everything. that he did. But then the letter gets. burned and tossed into the trash. So, we're never going to be able to test. that. >> But not before someone takes a a shot of. it. Not I mean, it takes a picture of. it. Lance, >> it is the strangest part of the Lance. story is that you find this letter, you're horrified by this letter and you. text them and be like, "All right, so. when are you coming home?". >> Mhm. >> You know, what's next? When when do I. get your stuff out of here? >> Which I think a normal person if someone.

confessed to killing someone, they would. stop all community. Like, why are you. going to sleep in the same house as him? >> Yeah. >> I would be at my mom's house. It's like. your family lives around the corner. I. would be totally somewhere else and. being like, I am not getting caught up. in this. This would be crazy. Instead, he says he sees him come in. He comes in. and he's all stressed out and he. confesses to him and says that he. regretted that he killed Tyler. Why is. Lance still in the house at this point? >> Yeah. Why is Lance still in the house? And why is he taking a picture of the. note? And then he testifies, "I don't. know what I did with the note after. that. I don't I don't know if I ever saw. it again.". >> Yeah.

>> Well, if you don't know if you saw it. again, who burned the note? I think it's. supposed to put the burden on Tyler. Robinson for coming home, finding the. note, and burning it. They didn't say. that. Um, but the fact that he took a. picture of it is it's it's it's like. Fonza jumping the shark. I mean, it's. just at what point are we just saying, "Okay, >> this is ridiculous. It's too much.". Yeah. And again, a confession. A. confession. Um, and so I I'm very keen. on when the defense is going to be able. to question Lance about his sleeping. spells, about how he knew that Tyler.

left around 4 or 5:00 that morning. um. why he was not interested at all in this. the biggest assassination a manhunt. that's happening and that even when he. was told and knew fully that Tyler. Robinson was involved why he would be. comfortable staying in that house and. staying in that environment. Uh. >> I something else on that on his. testimony. I'm very curious why his. mother had her big birthday party at. 9:00 a.m. or 8 a.m. or whatever on the. on the 11th. It was it was a very weird. um.

>> whose birthday party? Maybe I'm getting. it wrong, but he he was going over to. his parents house and he felt like he. couldn't leave. You remember that? He. was saying, "I I don't know if I can. leave my parents house. I need to make. up a reason to leave my parents house. >> You're a grown man. You live somewhere. else. I got to run an errand. I'll be. back." Yeah. >> Why are you so worried about where mom. and dad think you're going? I mean, it's. a it's a the entire narrative around. Lance Twig's testimony, particularly. when he woke up the next morning. Did he. wake up in his house? Did he wake up at. his parents house? When did he go to his. parents house? When did he see Tyler.

Robinson? very muddy distinguishing. between the text messages and his. testimony. It's hard to to reconcile. both of them. They look very different. to me on paper and and in his uh his. oral words. >> And I do want to say having done. conducted our own investigations, I had. access to Twigs's family and they are. just amazed that the police basically. only questioned him for a couple of. hours and then let him go. And that. seems crazy to me. >> Well, and the police didn't the police. didn't investigate him. He was the only. one I think invest in investigated or.

questioned, excuse me, by the FBI, >> right? >> Everybody else was questioned by state. police. He was questioned by the FBI. >> and I I do feel he's a federal asset on. the basis of what we've been told about. his background. He, you know, flies into. rages. This is all true. He had. substance abuse issues. He's terminally. on the internet. I always wonder whether. or not he is a blackmailed federal asset. and. >> and sometimes he thinks he's a dog. >> Yeah, he's got he's the one that fits a. profile of someone that's going to do. something crazy. And I do think that. it's plausible that he is was turned.

into a federal asset because he got into. some trouble. Obviously, we can't assert. that definitively, but I do want to say. that I find him to be the most. suspicious person. Their lack of. interest in investigating and just. taking his word at face value and. letting him go after a couple of hours. makes no sense. >> And then they put up all six pictures of. Tyl Tyler Robinson on campus. He's like, "Yeah, I don't really re I can't. definitive." And then he's like, "Oh, I. guess in those last two I can. definitively state it." Well, you just. saw all six of them. What? You couldn't. definitively state it 20 seconds ago. when you saw these same pictures. What. changed? >> Right.

>> And and we're not in a courtroom. We're. we're in a in a in a Zoom call across. the across the desk from each other. How. do we know somebody behind you didn't. go, "Oh, >> right." Exactly. Yeah. >> So, it is going to be really interesting. when they finally allow uh that. cross-examination of Lance Twigs. I. think a lot is going to come out and I. think it's it's going to be very. problematic for the feds. Um then we had. Sergeant Jennifer Jennifer Fuina Fuina. from the FBI and she testified and I do. want to just point out some things uh. that she testified about. First and.

foremost, she makes it clear that Tyler. Robinson was excluded as the person who. the fingerprints belong to. So they had. told us that they found fingerprints um. where he climbed down on the window. They had gathered these fingerprints and. Lisa Farmer had gathered them. They had. tested them and then they said these. fingerprints do not belong to Tyler. Robinson. So, uh, that was something. that he was removed from. She also. testified, uh, that when they found the. gun, they found that there was one fired. round and three unfired round with.

unfired rounds with engravings that were. still on them. Uh, she's the one that. testifies about the note that was found. burned. So, I guess it wasn't a note. I. mean, how hard is it to burn a piece of. paper, right, in the trash can located. in the kitchen inside of their house. that they collected that and sent it to. the FBI. So, I guess Tyler was too dumb. to fully burn it. I don't know who who. allegedly burned the note that it's not. clear, but she does speak a little bit. about the uh the burned note, which we. just mentioned. And um I found her to be.

unconvincing. The biggest part of her. testimony that that I want to talk about. though is that backpack that she found. This is crazy. >> Let me back up to the bullet for a. second. I just thought of something for. the first time since you've said it. If. you're hunting, if you're doing anything. and you take a single shot and you have. three more in the chamber or in the uh. in the magazine, you have three more. ready to go and you take a single shot, you can't I mean a lot of times you. don't stay on the target with your. scope. It moves. Particular 306, it's.

going to move. And so you are naturally. probably out of habit if you shoot. often, but you're going to open the. action and cycle the next round through. unless you only intend to take one shot, >> right? >> But if you only intend to take one shot, why do you have three more rounds? Yeah, that's really interesting. >> because they said they found it. I I. don't know why this has never clicked. with me, but they said they found it. with three um unspent rounds. >> and then the spent casing in the. chamber. Why didn't he open the action. and cycle another round if he took. multiple rounds with him? >> I always say it's that Chick-fil-A.

confidence he had. He just was flying. high that day. He was like one shot, got. it. Don't even need the scope zero. jumping off of a building. I Nobody. knows. >> It's the waffle fries and those fancy. ketchup packs. That's I think yeah, he. he was just feeling extra on it that. day. Again, I do not even believe that a. shot was fired from that rooftop and I. think that it was all meant to be a. distraction and they just had a guy run. and jump off of that rooftop who had. nothing to do with what happened and. Charlie was killed a different way, but. we'll get to that later. I do want to. say that it was massive to me that they.

found unattended items, an unattended. backpack um just outside of the Fulton. Library. There's a bus stop and there's. a backpack. It's got a jacket. It's got. gloves. And they take it to the lab. It's a an abandoned backpack that was. found on the route that the shooter. took, the alleged shooter took after he. jumped off of the building. And then she. testifies that they just stopped testing. it because they got a phone call that. the backpack belonged to someone on.

Charlie's detail. >> Yeah, >> that is insane. >> Seems like it's more a better reason to. go test it. >> That is insane. First off, what who on. Charlie's detail was up by the Fulton. Library bus stop abandoning a backpack? And why? >> Yeah. >> Who is it? >> And when? >> And when And why? And when you say. detail, that makes is it security? >> Yeah, cuz four of them left in the car. >> We have most of the rest of them still. on camera. Christopher, I think it was. Christopher, was on the roof, I believe, and came back down.

>> Who Who did it and when? And And why. can't we get an answer to that question. instead of Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. are. good. >> That's crazy. >> Something collected as evidence belongs. to them. >> I think she said it had a mask in there. I'm like, "Okay, how did you just let. this go?". >> Yeah. >> Why would someone on Charlie's detail, which means someone that showed up with. Charlie? This means this is not like. they would have said, "Oh, it was like a. UVU student." Okay, maybe that could. make sense. A TV. Somebody on Charlie's. detail abandoned a backpack at the Fton.

Library bus stop. Why? When? And how was. this returned? >> And where Yeah. You didn't know who the. killer was. Why would you just go I rule. out everybody? If it can be a. conspiracy, >> right? And that's that that gets to the. heart of it. Every time they stop, it's. because they're they're convinc they. they've so zeroed in on one person. And. even if it's not like they're all in on. it. Sometimes this happens. You just get. biased and you bias and you say, "Well, we know we've got the guy, so we're. going to oh, this might go down another.

trail. We don't need to go down another. trail because we've already got the. guy." So, it might just be sloppy police. work because of a an an implied bias or. an implicit bias. But regardless, it is. a uh something that shocked me when they. talked about it at the hearing. >> Why did the person have gloves. >> in September when it was 91 out? >> That right away stands out. >> Yeah. >> Why did the security detail have gloves. that Okay. I mean, that's right. They. didn't say security. They said someone. on Charlie's detail. I thought security. cuz they're the only people that I could. justify for having gloves. Maybe for.

some reason. I'm not going to go with a. TPUSA employee having gloves. >> Yeah, >> that this is a very problematic thing. >> It is. >> And um again, something that Turning. Point USA in their own capacity could. get ahead of and not look shady and say, "Oh, yeah, yeah, it was uh so and so's. It was, you know, Blake's backpack. >> Blake was gets lost. He has spells of. amnesia.". >> Or or somebody on the detail and when. everybody ran, they ran that way. >> and somebody they stopped at the bus. stop. They were going to get on the bus. stop. They recognized somebody that came. by. They jumped in and they forgot their.

bag. And this has been one of the. biggest problems with Turning Point USA. is that even when they could provide. clarity for things and not be shady, they always opt not to. Um, and they. kind of hide behind this idea, well, there's a trial going on. Okay. If. anything that you tell the public. somehow gets in the way of Tyler. Robinson being convicted, then we can't. convict Tyler Robinson on the basis of. unreasonable doubt, like Yes. >> Exactly. So, the more information the. better. Nothing can mess up the trial. It's and so especially if you're just. saying it was a backpack that was. abandoned. You just say this person.

suddenly decided to run all the way up. and for some obscure reason said and now. I've got to offload my backpack like. that something's very not right with. that. So pay attention to that. Okay. The most significant testimony that. nobody could really get throughout the. time because it got so scientific. But. then when I rewatched it a couple of. times I was absolutely blown away um by. what the defense walked Samantha Carner. into. So Samantha Carner is the person. who was tasked. She's a firearm and tool. mark examiner and she's really snotty.

and she's really proud of herself and. her whole she's very arrogant like she's. kind of like I'm Samantha Carer. So she. is the person that is responsible for. connecting the quote unquote bullet. fragment. I would almost call it a metal. fragment at this point from Charlie's. body to the gun. So this is this is the. big thing. Tada. We can connect the gun. to the fragment that was found inside of. Charlie's body. And why am I saying. fragment and not fragments? Well, because first of foremost, we learned. and we don't get an answer for this. It's another one of these uh threads. that we need to keep pulling on. There. were she learned a total of seven.

fragments that were removed from. Charlie's body. And yet, they only sent. her four. Okay. Kind of like why they. sent her four in a small manila. envelope. Three of them she couldn't. even use because they were too small. So, she's basically going to try to. connect the gun to Charlie's body using. one bullet jacket fragment, which she. has. It's 6A. They keep talking about. 6A. Um, and this is the only one that's. going to be usable. So, what is her job? Her job is that she looks for subclass.

characteristics on guns. And, uh, subclass characteristics are effectively. like a birthmark. Uh, something that. could be like uniquely developed during. the manufacturing process. And somehow. what that means is like over time if you. have like I don't know let's think of it. this way like a groove inside of your. gun and you fire it every time your gun. fires it's going to have this little. mark on it. Okay. So they're kind of. walking you through that. If you're not. familiar with guns you're like okay I've. got to learn about subclass. characteristics like what's happening.

next. So looking for effectively the. easiest way to think about is it's a. birthmark. It's a birthmark and she. should be able to find this birthmark on. the basis of her skill set and her. science of be a being able to connect. guns to bullets that have been fired. Okay. Then we learned that actually. she's not that qualified to do this. Okay. Uh, we learned that Samantha. Carner has only ever taken one bullet. proficiency test in her life and that. was in 2023. And it was a year where.

everyone kind of failed the test. And he. questions her about this. He's like, "So, you've only taken one bullet. proficiency test?" She's like, "Yeah.". And he's like, "And that was a a pretty. traumatic year, right? Because everybody. kind of failed." And the test is just. one question. They give them a bullet. and they give them a gun and they're. supposed to observe these striations, like the little marks on the bullet, and. they're supposed to tell them if if it's. a match. And Samantha's like all pompous. up there and she's like, um, I actually. didn't fail because I said, I don't.

know. She's like, I I was like one of the few. people that didn't fail. And he's like, but you didn't pass, did you? Do we have. that clip? >> Let's run it. It's It's actually. exceptional. >> In the years. that you've been doing this testing, is. it true that you've only taken one. proficiency test that involves bullet. comparisons? >> Yes, I've only had the opportunity to. take one bullet proficiency test so far. >> And is it true that that was in uh 2023?

>> I don't remember the exact year, but. that sounds correct. Yes. >> All right. And is it true that. that proficiency test. involved a. test where. you had question bullets. and then you had two sets of bullets. One that was fired from one gun, not the. suspect gun, and then a second gun that.

that was fired from another gun. I don't remember the exact final ground. truth answers that were there. No, I I'm. sorry. I don't remember. >> I think when you and I talked about. this, you said you were aware of a. controversy about that particular test. Correct. >> I was aware Yes. of the results of the. proficiency test. Yes. >> That the that there was a very high. error rate in that um.

particular proficiency test. Right. There was a higher error rate. Yes. However, my answers were satisfactory. along with the five other examiners at. my specific laboratory that took it as. well. >> Your conclusion in that case was as in. this case that it was inconclusive. Correct. >> Correct. >> Even though the. uh correct answer was that the bullets. did not come from the question. the two.

did not match that known in the question. should have been an elimination. >> The ground truth answer was yes, they. were excluded. However, an inconclusive. result in this comparison was extremely. appropriate. The lack of quality and. quantity of those individual. characteristics never reach sufficient. agreement, nor did it ever reach. sufficient disagreement. So saying. anything but inconclusive was not. appropriate. >> I see. >> she got she's just wrong. Like if the. answer was these don't match and she put.

inconclusive and it's and it's relevant. and he goes through it's a lot of pain. to watch him go through this and I was. like having to pay attention. I'm like. why is he harping on this? It's relevant. because it's the exact same thing. She. is the Samantha Carer that then broke. the news and they say oh you know it's. inconclusive but like it could be or. it's not. And so he's like wait a second. but you only took one bullet proficiency. test and you did that. You just said. basically IDK and the answer was no. Okay. The answer was no. This is not a. match. Then he makes her do a test live. Okay, this is a very long testimony,

guys. I'm telling you, you can watch it. at 1.5 and and you have to get through. it. And he's going to have to work on. this. This lawyer is going to have to. work on how to quickly arrive at his. conclusions and to be quicker at. combating what she's saying. His. presentation is not good, but the. information is fantastic. So then he. goes, I'm let's do it live. He's like, I'm going to show you some bullet. striations, and you're you're telling me. you're an expert. can look on on one. column and tell me if you think that. this is a birthmark for the match for.

this gun. And she does it. She does this. live. And you just got to watch the end. of this. She's so pompous. It's amazing. >> So painful. >> Check this out. >> Does this compare comparison show. individual characteristics indicating. that it was fired from the same weapon? There are individual characteristics. present but without examining it in. person I don't feel comfortable making a. conclusion. >> Okay. How about the next page. 27?

>> How about that one? >> Again I see individual characteristics. On a very first glance, I can see maybe. one striation that is in agreement, but. without seeing it physically in person. and having an accurate represent. representation of the entirety, I can't. conclude in any answer. >> And the last one, the third photo, page. 28. 28, page 28, exhibit.

19, page 28, same question. >> I do see individual characteristics. I. do see some areas of agreement with. without looking at it further. I. wouldn't make a conclusion. It's a. holistic approach when you're examining. items. >> Would it surprise you if I told you that. all three of those were fired from. different weapons? >> The answer is no. >> Again, I don't know any context to these. photos other than what you showed. So, I. don't feel comfortable saying one way or. another. >> She's like, >> her answer to everything. Her answer to.

everything is I don't know. >> I don't know. Her answer is just I don't. know. This is the woman that based she. is the person he made her do it live and. like and he they do show pictures at. different points and by my eyes I would. have been like yeah it looks like a. match looks like a match looks like a. birthmark match I don't know and by the. time he gets through it it's a totally. madeup science that's based on your eyes. and she does say that that it was it's. her opinion but her opinion always just. happens to be wrong and every time the. answer is no. >> which is what demonstrates whether it's. in her test for characteristics that. class characteristics her exam or.

whether it's in the real life example. example that he makes her do three. times. Each time the answer is no, she. votes inconclusive. And guess what? She. voted for the Charlie Kirk one. >> Inconclusive. >> Inconclusive. >> It's this way with DNA. It's this way. with fingerprint analysis. And it's this. way with this this bullet. classifications. >> They're all just dependent on someone. eyeballing it. And we get the idea that, oh, it came back from the FBI. It they. we got a test result. No, you don't. You. have some guy that was who may have had. a bad night's sleep, who might have been. fighting with his wife, who might be. unqualified. I don't know. um and and.

looks at it and goes, "Yeah, okay. That's close enough. Next." Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I really think before they bring. these people in, fingerprint, DNA, and. and these bullet analysis people, they. should make them wear like the a big. purple suit with stars all over it, a. conicle hat, and have a a wizard wand. Yeah. And as they make their. pronouncements, they should have to do. that because that's the value of this. eyeball testimony to me. You should not. be putting people in prison like this. It's clown show. It's a clown show. >> This testimony is a very big deal. And. that's why I said he's going to have to.

get that and and get it to get to the. point because it takes a very long time. to go through testimony and we pulled it. out and made it easy for you. This one. has no idea what she's talking about. She literally has no idea what she's. talking about. And this was the basis of. trying to connect Charlie's uh bullet to. his body, which she determined is. inclusive, but based on her history, I'd. say that's a no because every time she. says inclusive, the real answer is no, as he demonstrates very quickly. Um, she. also testifies, which is crucial, that. they observed debris and dust in the. barrel, and she doesn't know why there. was debris and dust in the barrel. My.

husband was like, "That's just crazy.". That I mean, that's completely, you're. telling me a recently fired weapon had a. bunch of debris and dust in the barrel. barrel. So, that's going to be another a. hump that they're going to have to get. over. Um, and yeah, so she is just. wholly unqualified. One bullet. proficiency test and you've never passed. it. You never passed it. I didn't get it. wrong. I said, "I don't know." I said, "Maybe, maybe not.". So, I I absolutely loved um that. testimony. And I do want to uh also show. you Caitlyn Oliver. The next day is this. is trial day five. She was the ATF.

forensic biologist and she's testifying. just regarding the prints that are on. the gun. This is the crucial clip. She. just basically tells us that the media. flat out lied when they said that Tyler. Robinson's DNA was found on the gun. We're going to run that for you because. everyone's lying about it and it's right. here in the preliminary hearing. Take a. listen. From a scientific standpoint, you couldn't read the paragraph that. sets out the likelihood ratio in your. report, whatever the number, and then. blast a headline in the media, Mr.

Robinson's DNA is found on this item. That's a source attribution, is it not? >> Correct. Yes. >> And that would not be scientifically. defensible, would it? >> Correct. >> So, is a a scientifically indefensible. statement to say that Tyler Robinson's. DNA was found on the gun? You can find. that in the trial day uh day five. Go. through it, watch it. And she's like, "Yeah, I don't I don't really know why. the media said that." And then she also. notes crucially that the DNA that was. found on the gun, going back to why it's. important to understand the science of.

degradation was extremely the most. degraded prints that were found on the. gun were Tyler Robinson's. They can't. get over that scientific hump. There's. no reason why Tyler Robinson would have. if he carried this gun and he had it and. then he put it together like Blake Nef. said and he's not that he would have. degraded prints on the most degraded. prints on the gun, meaning that Matt. Robinson's prints were stronger on the. gun. They said they found four or five. sets of prints on the gun. They didn't. name all the people, but they did name.

Matt Robinson. Um, >> how are we explaining that? >> We we've got a real problem on our. hands. And so you have DNA issues, you. have bullet striation issues, you've got. fingerprint issues. All three of those. in in a trial, the defense is going to. jump up and down during the closing and. say, "You want reasonable doubt? Go. ahead and drive a truck through this. This is this is the definition of. reasonable doubt right here." What we've. seen this week, which explains why they. rolled out the influencer campaign on. day five.

>> Yeah. Because her that was crucial for. her to basically because they were all. going in there like the evidence is. overwhelming DNA. No. like they she. literally testified the opposite and. said, "I don't know how it got there.". And it's it's his in particular are very. degraded. And as I said, degraded could. mean that he touched it 20 years ago. 20. years ago. And he didn't even touch it, by the way. And that's why the it's. going to get down to the chemistry. And. I think one of the flaws of um Tyler. Robinson's defense attorney is I think. that he that guy's actually the. strongest lawyer in terms of what he. knows. He is the worst lawyer in terms. of communication, his communication.

skill set. So, it's like the super. science math people who can't. communicate it quickly and tell you what. what what they're getting at. He's going. to have to work on that because they can. just say, "Get to the point or we're not. going to use it." You don't have all day. to be able to lay out everything. And. so, they're going to have to work on. that. But the science is not on the. side. By the time you got through this. testimony, took notes, looked up what. bullet striations were, refreshed your. memory on chemistry, you realized they. do not have the science is simply not on. the prosecution's side. >> It's not. And the influencers can come.

out and say, "It's overwhelming. There's. DNA. There's fingerprints. The bullet. match." No. No. And no, not beyond a. reasonable doubt. Again, yeah, because. some some guy who who's in a lab holds. something up, you know, in front of his. face says, "Yeah, they kind of look. alike." But but not not even in this. case. They're not even say, "Yeah, they. kind of look alike." They're testifying, "No, I was stopped in the middle and. told to stop going." Right? >> No, I don't know whether it matches or. not. I I failed my test, the only test. I've ever taken, or I didn't pass my.

test, the only test I've ever taken. Um, and then the lady talking about the. fingerprints being degraded. And And. you've you're going to have you can't. win a case in trial with with with. influencers. I don't want to name them, but four or five influencers walking out. and saying, "Ah, it's overwhelming.". Juries aren't sued by influencers saying. it's overwhelming. >> I think it's the opposite in this case. I think it's one of the strangest things. in the entire world that they thought to. bring influencers to court like that. And I want also want to say that that's. traditionally something that. conservatives mock when like you think. about BLM when they have like Ben Crump.

like doing the most outside of a hearing. and you go at least he's a lawyer. I. mean I mean but the point is is like. when people start influencing in a. courthouse why did you feel the need to. invite influencers and they say oh it's. because you know what what's the logic. of that? Why why would they all come out. there and say Erica in particular asked. me to be here? Are we supposed to. believe that Charlie was best friends. with um you know Betty Johnson? You said. you weren't going to name names or. whatever. Uh what's the purpose of this? It feels like it's a psychological. operation and that they're going to have.

to answer for that. It's part of the. reason why there has been so much. distrust with Turning Point USA because. they're not behaving like they have. nothing to hide. >> No. And I'm telling you, you watch that. preliminary hearing. If if if it wasn't. Charlie Kirk and you hadn't been. subjected to this year-long. psychological operation, influence. operation, this this juke and jive. operation that's been going on for a. year, if you just watched it, if it was. Bill Smith that had died and and you. know, Roger Davidson that was allegedly. shot him and you watched this. preliminary hearing, most people would.

walk out and say, "Man, the. prosecution's case is not very solid. It. looks really weak to me." Mhm. >> Um but because we've been told for a. solid year every time and it's. propaganda. You repeat it enough, people. start to believe it. >> What would you say? And I want to now. start talking about Turning Point USA. They've made a ton of mistakes and they. continue to make a ton of mistakes every. single day. I mean, we could have even. spoken about this morning, this like. weird like lie that they dropped and now. they've deleted from the internet. I. don't want to put it on Turning Point. USA, but one of their newer influencers.

claiming that like Erica offered for me. to see the um um I'm I'm the autopsy. report. >> The autopsy report. I was going to say. the death certificate. >> or the photo. I don't even know if it. was the report or the photos. I guess. you said the autopsy autopsy report and. now they've deleted it from the. internet. Like what what what do you. think? >> Well, can we state on the record? Did. Were you offered the autopsy to review? >> The craziest lie. I mean, I knew it was. going to be deleted fast. I was like, this is like just weird. Like were you. offered she had it. It'd be weird if she. You know what? She had said something.

about the uh the guy who made the videos. regarding the finances. She was talking. about how um Wolf in Finance, Wolves in. Finance had made all these videos and. like was talking about the filings and. stuff. And I said to her, even if you. gave me all of the account, I'm not. that's not my focus in this. investigation. I was like because I'm. not a math accounting person and I. there's nothing I can do. So, we talked. about the finances and how that was a. problem and I said genuinely I'm not the. right person for this and it's not it's. not where I can add my expertise and. I've maintained that throughout this. entire process. I'm the person that. broke the story that Charlie wanted this.

Doge. Um, and he suspected that money. was missing out of Turning Point action. in particular. Uh, but I'm not the. person that's going up on their filings. and talking about who's giving money. Uh, so we did discuss the finances, >> but did she say, "I have them with me. Would you like to look at them?". >> I don't think she did. No, because what. what would she give me? >> That spreadsheet. I don't know. >> That's what I'm It's like what could she. give me? Um and she maybe she offered. like I could get you something or. whatever. And I was like genuinely it's. like not it's just not my skill set. Like I'm not the person that you're. going to hand a finance and accounting. spreadsheet to. Um I'm better at putting.

together a timeline. I want to answer. questions about why people are acting. weird. I want to know what's going on. with the surgeon. That's what I came. here to do. I don't want to get segueed. on something that I'm not contributing. or asking a question about. The autopsy. report we didn't even discuss. Like that. was never even a topic of discussion. So. I thought it was so weird uh that he. comes out and he says this and now it's. since been deleted. Uh, why would you do. that? Like, actually, why would you do. that? >> I can only think of one of I I do. everything in a decision tree. If you. watch my show, you see me do this a lot. But I can really only think of two. reasons. Option A, Erica said that to.

him. And in a bizarre moment of untruth, untruthfulness, maybe rare and bizarre. for Erica, I'm not sure. Um, she. off-handedly said that that she had. offered to let you see the autopsy and. you declined. And this uh this. influencer went or influencer this guy. went and uh uh reported that and then. she calls and says, "What are you doing? I told you that off the record. You. shouldn't have put that out." "Oh, okay. Well, I'll delete it." Uh in which case, she lied to him. Is what you're telling. me. She she in your opinion, she lied to.

him off the record and then asked him to. delete it. The other alternative is even. more bizarre that she did not say it at. all. >> and he went and said that and then. someone called him like, "She didn't say. that. Why are you reporting that? Take. it down. >> It's weird. It's totally weird. It like. didn't even kind of happen. That's why I. was like, "This is wacky." Like I mean, I can I just totally wacky. >> I always try to come up with. >> First off, I would never not look at. that. I'm like the nosiest person in the. world that I can comprehend. >> I was I was kind of irritated you didn't. when I saw that initially. I was like, "What are you talking about?" She turned. down the opportunity to look at it. >> Does everybody know who I am? Like I'm.

like, "Look, I if you're going to invite. me to read text messages, do anything. like that, I'm 100% going to read." What. she did offer me was a transcript of and. this was weird because I had never. thought anything of it at that time. And. that's what actually made me question. Charlie handing over the company to her. because she offered me sort of in a way. like an excuse for something that I. wasn't questioning on my show. And I. said that to her. She was like, you. know, we have a transcript of Charlie. saying that he wanted me to take over. the company. And she's the one who told. me because remember the public at that.

point thought that that happened in the. Hamptons or something like that. And it. was she was the one who told me it was. the Aspen event. And I said to her, I. don't I was like, I've never covered. that on my show. I've never talked about. that. I just assumed it was like a board. decision because that's the way it was. handed down. This is what Charlie would. have wanted, whatever. But the fact that. she had the transcript actually made me. suspicious about it. So then I was like, >> where did this Yeah. She made me. suspicious of it because I was like, I'm. not talking about this on my show. This. is not an area that I'm looking into. And she offered me a transcript of an. alleged video of Charlie saying that he. wanted her to take over from Aspen. And.

I was like, I mean, I don't know what to. do with it. You're typing up a script. You want to show me the video? That'd be. great. But like. >> the transcript is a word document. >> It's just a word document typed up. So, she did have that on hand. And I thought. that was very strange. Um, but yeah, there were no conversations about the. autopsy report at all cuz why would. there need to be? There wasn't anything. And I would have definitely. >> I think there was a question at the time. whether an autopsy had been performed. And. >> and I I actually was one who came out. and said there was. >> Yeah. >> I knew that there was an autopsy. performed. I knew that for a fact. and I.

came out and said that. So, I wasn't on. I wasn't on the the train, so to speak, that there wasn't an autopsy done. I. said several times in my show, guys, there definitely I know it's very quick, but there definitely I can report was an. autopsy done. So, you can go back and. watch that. So, that's why I found that. to be a bizarre angle that this kid. took. I I don't know who to blame for. that. But, what do you think beyond even. yesterday? Because it keeps happening. I. mean, I've never seen so many PR. blunders in my life. They have ruined. the Turning Point USA organization. They're now having to deal with some. interesting critters, so to speak. I.

call, you know, legitimate critters that. you don't expect. Like Charlie had such. a very clean brand and now it's getting. like. >> Yeah. They're pulling really nasty. characters out of the woods to to go. And I think that's an indication that. good people, the types of good people. that that Charlie tended to surround. himself with are not willing to. cooperate, >> right? They're running out of options. from the good people and now they're. like digging through the gutter trash. and saying, "Will you help us? You know, can can you come talk to us and carry.

water for us? Can we leak stuff out. through you?". >> Yeah. >> Um I I I find it very unusual, you know, if if I I offered for $25 million to go. turn TP USA around. And I'm I'm still. willing to do that, by the way. >> Um it it's it's it's easy. It's easy. It's a three-step process. I'll give it. to you for free right here. Save you 25. million bucks. Um start being radically. transparent. be honest at every step of. the way to the point where you embarrass. yourself with transparency. Uh, number. two, >> you issue things only through official. channels. You don't issue things through.

gutter trash. You don't issue things. through failed podcasters. You don't. issue things through podcasters no one's. ever heard of u trying to make build. their credit their name on your back. Just issue things through Andrew. Kovvette, your spokesperson, through. Erica Kirk, your C CEO, or through. something with TPSA letterhead. >> And number three, you do it without. attacking. >> You do it without attacking. And if you. can do those three things, I do think. it's possible that TPUSA can ride. through some of these issues. You won't. have Drewuski coming out. You won't have. T Saturday Night Live making fun of, you.

know, the guy's haircut, saying it's a. TPSA representative haircut. I think you. will begin to reform your and rehab your. image. It's not going to be immediate. It's not going to be overnight. But if. you did that for me, as hard as I've. been on TPSA, if they came out and were. radically transparent, they started. issuing things only through official. channels and they stopped attacking. people, even someone like me, I'm going. to go, maybe I've maybe I've got these. people wrong. Maybe maybe I've seen this. all wrong. Maybe I've maybe I need to. rethink my analysis on all this. But the. way they're going, um, I'm I'm more.

convinced than I've ever been that I'm. on to something. >> That's exactly right. And I think the. thing that stands out to me the most is. that the lack of humility from the. organization, even when they're caught. like redhanded, completely wrong, you've. gaslit the whole public about something, they don't they never say sorry. >> And that that's like signs of abuse. And. I I think of so many moments where they. could have exercised public humility um. or just been a leader in general, even. if they genuinely got it wrong by. accident. Like if Erica really had no.

idea that Charlie had threats the night. before and she gets on to Glenn Beck and. she's like I have his phone and it. didn't happen and then when she realizes. that she's wrong if this genuinely was a. mistake. >> and she said and she admitted to my face. okay yes Dan flut whatever you publicly. go out and you correct the record. >> and that demonstrates like okay you're. not a bad person you just really didn't. know and there was a lot going on I. would be like hey guys. >> I do it on my show the whole time the. whole time where I'm like we reported. this Yesterday I spoke to someone. This.

is actually incorrect. Like why aren't. they doing that? They seem to get angry. whenever they get caught in a lie. And. then they want to go abuse like me. >> Yeah. >> Like they like go beat Candace because. then this wouldn't have been a problem. Like you should have said so much. throughout this process that you guys. have been wrong with. And your refusal. to do it makes everyone feel like it's. because you're trying to hide something. >> Well, and the other thing too is when. someone points out that they didn't do. their best, they didn't have a good. performance. She wore a gold Elvis. sparkly suit and came out to fireworks.

Not your finest hour. I mean, being. honest. Not your finest hour. Come on. demand. You guys are good. Boy, this is. going to be a fun few months. Um, you. guys are great. But when you wear the. gold sparkly Elvis suit and people call. you on it, don't come out and be like, "Oh, I have to shame those people. It's. the only thing that fit." Just say, "Hey, >> ridiculous. >> Bad judgment call. You're right. You. have a bad interview. You look you look. unprepared. You look what?" Just come. out and say, "You know what? It wasn't. my finest hour. I I I I screwed up with. Barry Weiss. I screwed up with so and.

so. Yes. >> I apologize. You know, I am still in a, you know, new to this. I'm new to this. I've only been doing it a year now. Uh, a little Grace. >> Think about how crazy that would have. been if she said that. Yes. Like, I'm. really sorry. This was really dumb. I'm. listening to too many people. They told. me to wear this cuz I should be like to. celebrate like whatever. That would have. gone so far. It's the constant. gaslighting that comes out from this. this organization. And when someone. points out, hey, that wasn't your finest. hour. Don't attack that person. >> No, >> because I promise you, they're not the. only person that thought that.

>> And when you attack them, all the other. people that thought that think, okay, so. not only was it not her finest hour, she's nasty. >> And that's the thing that's coming. across now. It's like they are so. desperate to sew insane. I mean, the. narratives that they're trying to sew. against people who are legitimately. trying to get to the truth about. something that they should be on our. side about, >> right? >> Yes. And instead they're out there and. Blake is is saying that I'm jealous of. her because she's white. Like what? Like. you are lost. You guys are lost. You are.

running out of ideas. Like you're. literally what are you? My my children. are half white. Like what are YOU EVEN. SAYING? >> HEY, COULD could you pull. >> MY HUSBAND IS A WHITE BLONDE. WHAT ARE. WE TALKING ABOUT? >> Could you pull Blake back up for a. second? I want to look at something. >> It's just it's crazy that they're a. >> specimen. And so and Erica can't detach. herself from that because she's the CEO. of the company, right? So he's on a. podcast and he it is called the Charlie. Kirk show. You are not just the widow. You are the CEO. You are the chairman. And when he makes these sort of. ridiculous accusations when you now have.

them trying to like tweet porn. pornographic rumors about me now. I mean. like truly disgusting stuff while you're. simultaneously not answering for why. they're platforming sexual deviants. Matt Tardio. How crazy was that when. that story broke? Did you see that? I. mean, like, he literally, it's like old. school rape story. Chased a girl down an. alley, >> dragging someone down the road. I'm. >> like, and the ICE cameras caught it. Like, and you're partnering with these. sorts of people. And we can go and we. can look at, you know, the background. story of Andrew Wilson and Rachel Wilson.

and how they speak to women while you're. simultaneously pretending to be this. faithful, heavenfocused, you know, never anything wrong. I don't. even think about it. I don't even think. about politics cuz I'm so heaven. focused. You are registering to the. public. >> as a fraud. Also kind of as clinically. insane like that. Like you go. something's not right here. Why do you. keep pretending that you're godly? We. can see what you're doing. >> Well, and the other thing too when when. they have an issue with something you. said, they don't just come and say, hey,

she said this. Here's really what. happened. It's she's evil. She's awful. She's biased. She's she's terrible. Anyone who watches her, you know, we're. we're we're done with her. We're what I. mean. This is not a Christian response. This is not a godly organization any. longer. This is not the way you behave. in polite society. If you have an issue. with something, if you think someone. didn't have their finest m, maybe they. think you didn't have your finest. moment. Well, just point it out, right? >> Just say, "Hey, Candace was off. yesterday. Here's what she said.". Instead, they come out and they say. these ludicrous things, totally. mischaracterized. You'll do an hour,

hour and a half show. They'll. mischaracterize the whole thing. Blake. will or somebody else will. And then all. their minions will jump on it and be. like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah." They. didn't watch. They're just they're just. lying. And it's it's it's not the. organization Charlie left. Why are. people still talking about this 13 14. months later? >> The man led an organization and millions. of people deeply cared for the man. They. deeply respected him or they deeply. cared for him or they even deeply loved. him. A lot of them. >> and you can't just treat those people.

this way. You cannot just treat those. people this way who have spent so much. time. Even the day, you know, he goes. and does an event. People will travel. hours to go see him. They'll spend gas. money that that, you know, gas is. expensive right now. They they'll spend. gas money. They'll go get a hotel. They're eating food along the way. It. cost them money. It cost them time. They. take a day off of work. Why are they. doing this? Because they love his. message. They love him as a presenter. They love the organization he built. Treat them with respect when they ask. who killed him. >> Yeah. >> Treat him with respect.

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>> Okay, so we've changed our minds. Now. you're asking me a question. >> I am. I I'm changing my mind because you. can't pick a single PR book. There's too. many. I mean, it's like- which is your. favorite drop of of water in the ocean? I mean, it's it's impossible. >> So, I would ask the question this way, and I'd put it on you. If you woke up. tomorrow and you're Erica Kirk, and you. know you have to fix this, you need to. take specific concrete steps in the next. 30, 60, 90 days, what specific steps do. you take to to fix the PR problem that.

TPSA clearly has? They can act like they. don't. They do. It is bad. You do not. spend the money they're spending to. support this woman, to promote this. woman, to support the organization, to. promote the organization if you don't. recognize you have a real problem. But. what specific steps would you take? >> If I'm running that organization, the. first thing I'm doing is I'm I'm. shutting down the Charlie Kirk show. Shutting down the Charlie Kirk show. And. I'm And I'm doing that because you you. have to stop the bleeding. And Blake Nef. and Andrew Kobet are the it's it's the. bleeding, right? That's that you got to.

pack 36 feet of 36 foot of gauze. >> into that into that wound. Right. Okay. That's right away. I'm getting rid of. the show and they have to stop talking. and you have to delete Blake's Twitter. and his affiliation because he's he's. very bad for the company. >> Do you keep Blake on in any capacity? >> You keep Andrew on in any capacity? >> No. Andrew's a terrible like it's it's. his Andrew's worst his biggest weakness. is is public relations and yet he's the. spokesperson for turn. >> Yeah. He wanted to be a screenwriter. How did he end up in PR? Those are very. different disciplines.

>> I just think that he sort of has always. been connected and he, you know, you get. these kids that are like, I want to be. this. And they just go, okay, you can be. that, but he's not actually good at. that. And um with Andrew, it's he's. trying on different PR strategies. So, first he sort of tried to play it nice. and then we met the real Andrew Kovette. and it was like such a radical, you. know, like, oh god, okay, that's who you. actually are. And it was like, you know, now he's being I don't know if Andrew. Wilson took over his Twitter feed for a. week, but he was getting like down in. the dirt and being all crazy. And you. can't have the you can't restore those.

sorts of images. Like it's like this is. just not worth it. Just get rid of him, you know? Um and and and by the way, if. you want to say, okay, he went through a. tough time and that's why he did that. Maybe you keep Andrew Kovat in a back. office job, but you get rid of Blake. Nef. >> You keep it you get Andrew out of public. facing no matter what. >> Yes. You get him out of public facing. and you get him off of the show. Uh, and. because really he has proven like in the. beginning that he could I guess kind of. be likable. Blake Nef has kind of been. unlikable from the very beginning and he. he's serving you no purpose. He seems.

even in little things like when he like. turns on Tucker Carlson who helped him. get the job like he feels like the Judas. at the table like you just go. something's not right about Blake Nef. and he's getting pettier and pettier and. kind you just got to get rid of Blake. Nef. I I would say that that would be. the first thing I would do. The show. itself is a wound. Um, and people are. tired of you running it with Charlie. Kirk's name on it. That feels that feels. dishonest. It feels wrong. >> Um, and you stop tweeting from Charlie's. accounts. The second thing she does is. she does a long form 5hour interview and.

she goes into some fire. >> Who's the host? >> She can pick that person, right? If it's. me, >> who would be a good host for her? >> Joe Rogan. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> And because he's he's been very critical. of her, right? And I and the reason why. I'm saying Joe Rogan is because that's. let me reanser the question. >> If I'm her, I'm doing the Candace Owen. show. Yeah. Okay. Because but that's my. character. Like so if someone's going to. keep challenging me, I'm like bring the. challenge. Let's go. Let's do it. That's.

my character. That's not her character. So let's let's be realistic about what. she's willing to do. She's going to do a. Joe Rogan or a Shawn Ryan interview and. that's where she's going to land. She's. not gonna she's not going to go into the. fire, but at the very least, it would. put enough pressure on the person doing. the interview like a Joe Rogan that if. he didn't ask significant questions, it. would hurt him more to host her. So, he's got to prep for it, right? >> I've thought about that if she ever did. a long interview. I was thinking Lex. Freriedman. >> No, >> you don't think. >> I can't listen to his. >> because he's so boring that she can now. tone it down. Yeah, but you can't go.

with someone who the public accepts as. like. not like he's got he's got some. questionable background. Like she's got. to do something a bit more like. >> that people perceive as. >> people perceive as Yeah. as adversarial. a and that's what I mean is like me I'm. going to go extreme. So it's like Andrew. Wilson's throwing down 300k in the. gauntlet. He's saying that I'm af. they're all saying I'm afraid to debate. I'm like let's do it. Let's just do it. You know I'm not afraid of you. I know. the facts are on my side and. occasionally you have to do that. Erica's not going to start there, right? and but she's she can't do a Barry.

Weiss. She can't do like a pro-Israel, pro- Ukrainian person. So, you go with. someone who's been making fun of you and. you go sit across from them and you. answer questions. That's it. And she's. got to do that. She's got to do that. She's got to do it for It can't have a. time limit. It's got to be like four. hours. There's no prepping. There are. there's no parameters. And she's got to. just do it. That's That's what I would. do. >> Why do you think she would Do you think. she would? >> No. >> Why? >> Because Erica is always kept in a. controlled environment. and. >> by whom. >> uh by the people around her whether that.

like with me, you know, Justin Strife. was there and she would look up to him. and ask if she could answer a question. It was it was very strange. Um and. >> do you think she keeps herself? >> The other thing is the Vanity Fair piece. really revealed. I mean, I really just. don't think she's that clever. And I'm. not saying that to be mean, but some of. the things she said, you're just like, why would you why would you do this? Why. why are you doing a Vanity Fair? Why are. you letting them come around for four. months? So, I I don't think that she. would ever do it, but that would be what.

I would do. And the softest landing for. her is going to be like a Joe Rogan. because he's not going to be mean to. her. He is going to know that that if he. bombs the interview, people are going to. be like, "You're a fraud and you're this. and you're that." So, he's going to come. with the correct questions. Like, he. can't look like he just let her do. whatever she wanted. And it would. demonstrate it would go some way of the. public going, "Okay, um, at least she. did this. It's not it's not like a. tossaway interview where she's. pretending and just speaking to a fan.

who's like, "You're amazing and I love. you and she's got to she's got to do. something adversarial.". >> I was thinking someone boring. I I like. your idea though. It's got to be. adversarial. >> Yeah. I was thinking. >> like I mean lightly. I mean Joe Rogan. has made a couple of comments. >> Maybe a Theo Van. >> No, he should. No, no, no, no, no. She. can't do Theo. >> Maybe a Theo Van. >> No, I like Theo too much. He can't do. Theo. >> Yeah, he would be hilarious because he. actually would ask all the questions. >> Yeah, he would. >> He would. and he'd be very funny about. it, but he would ask the questions. >> Let me ask you a question, baby girl. >> Yeah.

>> Let me ask you something. >> What's going on WITH YOUR WHAT'S GOING. ON WITH your eyes in this vid in this. video? >> Well, why do you wear that gold Elvis. suit here today? >> You know, it's a perfectly safe place. >> Yeah, but that's that that would be my. advice. And she's got to answer all the. questions. You can't hide behind the. idea of this trial is going on. We just. live in a different media. What she is. coming across as right now is I've got. the power. I've got Cash Patel. I've got. the president. I've got the vice. president lecturing you all when I don't. show up for my event. It's gross. >> Do you think if the Republic.

>> the opposite of who Charlie was? >> Yeah. No. Do you think if the. Republicans lose the midterm that's a. threat to Turning Point? >> Like in terms of. >> I'm going to be honest. >> Political influence or investigations? >> I hope so. And I and and I'm going to be. really I hope so. I hope that they are. investigated because it's it's gotten to. a point where they've told so many lies. that I don't care if it's the Democrats. that demand the truth. I don't care what. what what what are we winning in the. Republican party? What are we like just. like the pro pedophilia party at this.

point? Like what are we even doing? What. is the what is the Republican party? It's the neocon party. So we have a. choice between neocons, Ben Shapiro's. party or Democrats. >> Yeah. I you know that going back to 2016. there was all this uh I don't want to. say hope and change when Trump got. elected but the make America great again. and now we we're 12 years past that or. 10 years past that and it's it's obvious. it's not what we were promised and so. but I I do think they're protecting. their people. >> I do think the Republican party that's. that's basically what's left of it is.

they're they're out there protecting. their people whether it's the pedophiles. or uh their political organizations or. their billionaires. I mean that's that's. that's all it's done. It's kind of. coalesed around there. They've got they. got all their guns pointing out of a. wagon circle. >> and she's she Erica has basically come. out and been like I'm a part of the. billionaire class. I don't have to do. anything. I can call a crisis PR person. I can call cash. I can have the DoD. attack you during Tyler Robinson's week. That's what she did. Yeah. >> Okay. Let's just call it a spade of. spade. The DoD was attacking me during. Tyler Robinson's preliminary hearing and.

my show was not even on air. Think about. that. With the Jennica Pounds thing. exposed. >> Mhm. Yeah. Do you think she directs that or do you. think she's just a beneficiary of that? >> She is a beneficiary of it because I. don't think she's the brains of the. operation. Um, but the operation doesn't. really have any brains. I will say that. as well because it's falling apart and. it's I I think it has never been so. fragile of us seeing how this all really. works. Like we know these people are. working for the DoD. That's crazy that.

what And then you ask yourself the big. question, why would the DoD You're going. into Tyler Robinson week. You say it's. open and shut. It's overwhelming. evidence. He definitely did this. Who in. the room is going, "We've got to get. people on payroll to start attacking. Candace Owens that week. >> and it was insane." I mean, I I couldn't. I didn't even know where to look and I. was like, "What is happening right now?". I. >> I think the colossal attacks against. you, me, others. >> is a really good indication that the. case is really weak and that they want. people to be discredited or to stop.

looking into things. >> Um, and that's who they go the hardest. at. It just is. as soon as I announced. you was taking over the show. >> Oh, I mean the attacks against me kicked. up literally overnight and have have. persisted since and and it's obvious. what it says. Hey, we think that the. case is not very strong. We don't want. people looking into it. I mean, I you. know, it may not lead back to TPUSA's. door. It may not lead back to the. government's door. It may not lead back. to Utah government store, the federal. government's store. We don't know where. the investigation's going to go. But if.

you are 100% convinced Tyler Robinson. did this and you think it's an open and. shut case, why are you attacking anyone, right? >> Sit back, you know, swipe your hands. >> That's the ultimate attack. >> You guys are going to look so stupid. We're going to let you look even. stupider. We're going to let you get all. lthered up before you look stupid. Why. would you Why would you attack people. and try to slow them down? >> Why are you freaking out about Fort. Wuka? Why are you freaking out about. Penguin? It's like we're going to sit. back and then you're going to see in the. trial that everything this person said. was wrong and they're going to discredit.

themselves by going all in on this. That's my strategy. I I'm always like I. want to be very careful because I know. that my credibility matters and so I I'm. not going to just accept somebody. without me properly vetting it, going. through things. I actually think one of. the their bigger PR blunders was. attacking Joe Kent. That was weird. >> That's weird. He wants to conduct a. foreign investigation. Now you all hate. him, >> right? >> That's very weird. Yeah. >> Um and so yeah, it's. >> accuse him of treason. Yes, they're. they're behaving the exact opposite way. that we would expect them to behave. And.

I agree with you. I I do want to also. assert people as I go off air is and. it's one of the things I talked to you. about. I'm so grateful that I read that. book, Chaos. Yeah. >> Because you have to understand the. government employs chaos agents. And it. is so tempting for you to get pulled in. to drama on the internet. And what. they're trying to do is, you know, fed. jacket someone. Oh, this person looks. like they're into this. Whatever. I. don't know if we can trust this person. Blah blah blah blah. All of this stuff. You don't need to fundamentally trust. people. Trust their work.

>> Just look at their work. >> Look at their work. Criticize work. >> That's it. Criticize their work. And. when you start seeing that happen and. people are trying to like constantly sew. and divide it, it glows to me. I abstain. from it. I mean, you the amount of times. people have messaged me wanting me to. get involved in this or that and I'm. like, I'm actually good. I'm going to. trust my gut. I'm going to trust my. instinct. And if this if I'm proven. wrong, I'm going to have to come out and. do a miaulpa. Um it's gotten me this far. in politics. I like my gut instinct. about things has gotten me this far and. I've been in some heated rooms. I've. been under pressure. I've been on the.

wrong side of a perspective like when I. was pro- Israel and then I had to risk. it all to to basically say and I I lived. through the chaos agents of being like. she used to work here, she used to work. there. Yes, I changed my mind. This. actually happens. And that's actually. usually when you come you are are the. most under attack because they're like, "Wow, Kansas is a massive platform and. now she's not perishial." Same with. Charlie Kirk. He was changing his mind. at the end. >> Well, and the whole idea I've heard this. about you. I've heard about me. She. won't address the fight over here.

Therefore, she approves of it. So, >> nonsense. It's just I have too many. toddlers to care about. >> And you're allowed to have it like like. I said with Erica, you're allowed to. have an opinion. Hey, she didn't do well. in that interview and she did not look. good in that interview. That doesn't. mean you hate everything Erica stands. for and and wish ill things for her. No. And if she would just come out and say, "You know what? I heard the criticism. I. didn't do very well in that interview.". >> Right. >> Then, okay. Well, that just undercuts. >> all this attack. It undercuts all of it. You're right. It happens on the chaos. agents. The book Chaos is really good.

>> It's really good. And it shows you how. the government did that uh following the. JFK assassination. It talks about how. they infiltrated the Black Panthers, how. they were able to literally just make. people all look at each other and go, "I. don't know who to trust." Yse. flip-flopping. are actually contributing to this. investigation. How are you actually. move on from it? And and it takes a lot. of like patience and it but I have. perfected it because I've just been. under so many bizarre I mean I was a. lesbian two weeks ago. I'm not like you.

know WHAT I MEAN? SO WAS I. >> YES. You just have to go I'm I'm shutting. this off because it's meant to drive you. crazy. She's breaking up with her. husband. They're separating. Uh, she's a. lesbian. She's gay. No, never mind. She's actually a hoe. Wait, no, actually, she likes that is design. That's that's just sewing chaos and. trying to get people to look the other. way. And I have just been like, nope. >> You made a good point. You go back and. read the infiltration into the groups in. the 1960s and 70s. >> How did they know they'd been. infiltrated? All of a sudden that you. kept hearing a single phrase over and.

over and over. I don't know who to. trust. >> Well, guess what? When you don't know. who to trust, your group has been. infiltrated. and and there's an. operation of chaos taking place around. you. So, stop judging the people, start. judging their work, and get back to. order. Get back to order. >> Yeah. And I've said that and and I've I. have kept, you know, the circle kind of. when I say the circle really small, but. like I've just our relationship I feel. like took off so naturally because we. were just throwing so much of oursel. into the research and like, you know, meeting and sharing and what do you. have? What do we have? How can we put. together this timeline? We're not. talking drama and it's I don't have.

time. I don't really care about this. person, that person or or the other. I. want to get this together. I've got. timelines. You've got like, you know, all of these spreadsheets that we're. sharing with one another. And so, I want. to encourage people that have been. contributing. And by the way, I also. want to acknowledge that what we're. putting together is because not because. of chaos agents, but people that are. writing into more tips, people that are. emailing us and I'm like, "Hey, Baron, someone double CCD us on this. Did you. see this email? You guys have made this. process like I get to take the credit. for really what people around the.

world." I mean, think about how fast the. guy the Latvian dweeb. >> got. I mean, they told me like where he. was living. They're like, "Here's the. street he lived on in the high school he. went to. >> We had people in Latafia who stepped up. to the plate." And so, I want people to. remember that. Um, and I want to. acknowledge that because everything that. I have been able to do in this process. >> is because of you guys back at home who. have been sending us tips. And that's. where we want to always keep the focus. What do you know? Feel emboldened. Uh, and I think more and more now people are. coming out and they're taking bigger. steps because they see that the. narrative is falling apart. Um, and I.

want to just like acknowledge that and. encourage people to go forth on what are. you actually getting out of this? How is. this helping you? Are we solving things? And I think by and large, I mean, we are. the state's on the run. I mean, >> yeah, >> the Brian Cole case even. >> No, the Brian Cole case to me is over. It's it's been it's been decided. Uh, I. did a whole episode or most of an. episode just going through his. interrogation transcript and it was an. emotional night. Wow. I got done with. that uh show, finished the processing. and and laid down in bed and just. thought, "There is a young man.

wrongfully sitting in a jail cell by. himself right now.". >> Yeah. >> And I feel the same way with Tyler a lot. of times, but that one is particularly. crushing. A special needs young man, 30. years old, just just heaped on. And. Steve Baker deserves a massive shout. out. Steve Baker has done Yman's work on. that case. Mhm. >> Uh God will reward Steve Baker one day. for that work. >> Yes, I actually do want to say that, Steve Baker. That is so amazing. I was. even saying to you that even the process.

of how I feel inspired and not letting. go of the story and realizing that even. this sort of ADHD culture has helped the. feds. >> because we always just move on from. stuff and we're like, "Okay, that was. weird." And so when CBaker's like, "Nope, I'm going to keep on this for. years and I'm going to focus." That is. so inspiring. chaos the book being. written by somebody who gave was 30. years of his life investigating one. thing the Charles Manson murders and. exposed the entire federal apparatus I. was encouraged by Xavier Bousard I got.

to present his work this man gave a. decade of his life to just trying to. figure out what is that that is at the. palace why can't why am I falling down a. dark hole he had to move his family to. and each of these people are usually. brought to like the brink of bankruptcy. because they're so focused on the and. had to leave the country. Xavier had to. move his family out and and and there. was no upside other than him wanting the. truth to get out. I want that to be a. part of my story. Like I I'm so inspired. by these these types of journalists and. I want to be known as someone who never.

ever ever stopped looking for who what. actually happened on on September 10th. I want to know every single character, what they look like. I am yes, as people. have pointed out, obsessed with this. case because Charlie was a good person. He was a good friend. He was there for. me during the darkest what was the. darkest year of my life since losing. before losing him which was the 2023. when suddenly I lost everything for not. being pro Israel and knowing that he was. going through that in the end and that. that is what he was struggling with and. people publicly lied about it including.

people that he was closest to from a. colleague sense I'm not letting this one. go. >> No it's it's because people love him. That's why there's so much support for. the investigation because people love. him or loved him or cared about his. work. Um I I' I've readily admitted I. was not a massive fan of Charlie Kirk. because he was very pro-Zionist and I I. was not. >> Um if I would have known I think frankly. if we would all known what was going on. behind the scenes if that would have all. been playing out in public I think a.

he'd still be alive but b I think he. would have had even more fans. I think. more people would have had a deeper. respect for him. There have been a lot. of people since all that's come out were. like, man, we were wrong on him. >> Yeah, >> we were really wrong on him. There there. was a lot going on um behind the scenes. and I I wish it would have played out in. public because he'd still be here. >> He would still be here. I do believe. that. But I I also, like I said, I have. this sense that he's fighting with us. Like the Charlie was like too big of an. energy, you know, too big of a spirit. And I think that people thought they.

could sort of contain that and keep up. the legacy and use his name. He he was. bigger than his name. He was bigger than. the Charlie Kirk show. He was bigger. than a trademark. And I feel that the. energy is on our side right now. Uh and. so I'm I'm very optimistic about where. we're at. I I think the feds are the. best thing that can happen is this court. case to go through. I'm obviously. concerned. I do think that Tyler. Robinson's life is at risk. That that's. one thing that makes me very nervous. >> Well, especially as we were going. through this today. >> Yeah. >> I mean, they can't take this case to.

trial, >> I don't think. Not unless there's a lot more than this. >> You better have better DNA, better. fingerprint, better cell phone. technology. There better be location. You better influencers. >> Better influencers. You got to up the. budget, guys. Up the budget. >> Okay, I'm going to read some of your. comments that are coming in. Okay, we. have Manifestum. He writes, "I you. couldn't have picked a better person. than Baron to hold things down and keep. it real. Wishing you and your family. health and happiness as you prepare to. meet the newest and littlest member of. your family. Thank you so much. I'm so.

excited uh uh just because I know how. much Baron and I have put into this case. and uh he's just the right person for. the job and I'm so excited to meet my. fourth son. How crazy. I have my fourth. son. >> Yeah. >> Um yeah and I'm excited for you guys to. meet him as well. So we will announce. when I give birth and I will be popping. in to make sure he's well behaved and. staying away from Breijit Doll. >> Jenniped writes, "Two of my favorite. podcasters and humans. Thank you for. this collaboration. I am praying the. rosary daily for you and your families. and your platforms." That is yeah, absolutely. Pray the rosary daily. It is.

something that I actually need to do. I. have never prayed the rosary daily and. people tell me it is completely. transformative. >> I've never prayed it daily. I mean, I've. prayed it, but I've never on a daily. basis for any period of time. That's a. good point. >> It daily. >> Uh Barbara writes, "Blessings, hugs, love to the principal, Queen Candyland, and Sir B. I'm so blushed to dear in. your circle, experiencing your. brilliance. Jesus loves you. Um Christ. is king." I think it was a typo there. Uh, blessed probably. Zamut writes,

>> "Describing Candace Owens in two words, pure authenticity in one word, love.". That's very sweet. I love I'm going to. take all these compliments because I'm. nine months pregnant and I just feel fat. and disgusting. So, I force the team. every day to tell me I'm glowing. I'm. like, "Tell me I'm glowing." They're. like, "You're glowing. You're glowing. >> Trust me, you're glowing. >> You mean it. Tell me I'm glowing.". Trigger Smart. Thank you, Ashley. You're. glowing. You're glowing. Trigger writes, "Prayers for a healthy delivery and for. Baron hosting both shows." He's got it. He's going to he's going to grind grind. grind and um I'm going to organize all. this stuff. It's I'm really happy also.

to have a break just to be able to like. organize, you know. PK Bloom writes, "When Baron Coleman had to cancel an. episode due to an emergency and then we. heard Candace tell us that Breijit got. attacked. I thought it was Baron who was. yanking and banking to get Candace's to. get to Candace's to help save Breijit. We know that Baron would do what he. could for his fellow man. Long live Jean. Michichelle. Honestly, it's contractual. negotiations. I'm not going to talk. about it. Like I said, things got very. ugly regarding the Breijit doll. It was. a very long back and forth between the. lawyers. I keep an eye on him. Keep. please just keep an eye out for Breijit.

There is some evidence that he may have. attacked Breijit. Actually, >> she's hidden. Brashid Doll. He's not. allowed to see her right now. Eevee. writes, "Lord, please protect Baron and. what he and his family will face ahead. of this platform." That is so great for. you to say, Eevee, >> cuz they already are. I'm just seeing. it. I'm like, Baron, don't don't don't. keep them safe, Lord. And I pray for his. mother to make a full recovery. We are. going to battle with him and you and he. won't be fighting alone. Christ is king. Amen. That yeah I I I also want to. express that too because I I mean the.

onslaught is never ending. The tactics. are never ending but then you do. suddenly be become immune to it. You. recognize the patterns and you just go. ah I see what you're doing. You want me. distracted less time. >> Well the other day someone said hey how. you holding up and I was like with what? And they were like well I saw a bunch of. people going after you on X. And I was. like what? I don't care about that. Like. irrelevant. Yeah, exactly. Totally. irrelevant. Don't care. >> Is it Can I add it to my timeline? No. Okay. I don't care. >> My official timeline. >> Don't care. >> Kyle, it is just who I am. Writes utmost.

respect and many thanks to you both for. helping to rewrite and clarify our. history books, particularly for our. children. I have so much hope now, but. remains solidified in my stance to never. let this go and to talk about events. like this more often. Um, thank you. guys. And by the way, uh, while I'm off. air, you can still send tips. If there's. things that I'm coming across as I'm. trying to go back and like organize and. rewatch things and see if we forgot any, um, things, you know, to follow up on. certain threads, I will be like telling. Baron, hey, could you ask them to pull.

up, you know, send out a request for the. more tips? We have a strong lead, by the. way, on the fire chief that was. mentioned in the UVU independent review. That might have been the biggest PR. disaster for Turning Point, by the very. strong lead. >> that the UVU independent review was that. was brutal. >> They should have participated. >> Yeah, >> that was a big political I mean that was. a big blunder. They should. >> harp two pages of just like he's a liar. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Sue me anyways. But like. >> Yeah. You you get you you get a chance. to establish your side of the story, do. it. I mean, unless you have something to.

hide, but if you have nothing to hide, establish your side of the story. >> And then their excuse that people were. saying were like, "Well, the the the. court cases, why do they keep saying. this ridiculous? Why can't you. participate in an independent review. that has to do with everything leading. up. >> to the it's about the event planning. like what is their excuse for and again. Erica's at the helm of this company. What give me one logical excuse that. they declined to participate in the UVU. independent review about the mistakes. that were made that day. >> I don't know. I mean the only thing I. can think of is if they plan to sue UVU. but you know maybe.

>> which she did announce her intent a. couple days. >> Well yeah she filed that notice. I think. that I don't want to comment on that. she did file a notice or TPSA did file a. notice but or actually the Kirk family. is the one that filed a notice. Um but. that's that's not a lawsuit. They've got. a year now to decide if they want to. actually pursue that. I don't know why. they didn't participate. I mean you have. a right to remain silent. >> Maybe maybe that's why they didn't. participate. >> And the nastiness of blaming it all on. Jeff Long and he seemed to do the most. Chief Long did the most. >> Yeah. So many PR blenders. That guy,

man, >> he's he's he's the one that really has a. defamation lawsuit on his hands if he. wanted to. I I think Chief Long could. annihilate people. I you know I'm not a. fan of defamation suits. I I think the. bad the antidote to bad speech is more. speech. But if. >> I'm just permanently sued, I never sue. anybody. >> Oh, I know. I can't imagine you're a fan. of them. But no, I think I mean you have. plenty you could sue people on. Um but I. I think if anybody was going to do it, um Jeff Long has a pretty good case. >> Yeah. I mean, I can't imagine just the. year of them saying publicly, he's the.

one who did this Brian Harpole coming. out. Everyone's so invested in this case. and Brian Harpole does one of the. biggest podcasts in the world and says. this is the this guy is the reason. Charlie Kirk's dead effectively. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Um lastly, um Black Swan Revelations. I. love you guys. What do you guys come up. with these handle names? >> That's why I don't read the amazing. Um. he writes, "Go Max." Baron, do you. intend to go Max? >> I do. >> I dub the I don't really know how to do.

that stuff, but whatever. >> The Max Go. I I dub the the max goer. while I'm gone. Go into the fire. Um we. obviously have even more footage and. stuff, but biting our time because I do. think we need to wait for the hearing. I. did I just see something that like. they're trying to get the hearing to. happen in 2027. Am I right? >> So, not 2027. Um Oh, yeah. One of them. said 27, one of them said 28 maybe or 28. >> 28 and 29. I can't remember which one it. was. Um but neither one of them are.

close. So, I think the prosecution. wanted it maybe one year and the the. defense I think wanted two years. >> cuz they had got they've got like how. many how much information was dumped on. them and like it's just. >> well it's just a lot. I mean it's it's a. high pro it's a it's a it's also a death. penalty case. We keep forgetting this. It's not a typical criminal case. You. know, you can try a criminal case in an. afternoon. Most most of them. >> they're asking for 2029. That was the defense. And I think the. prosecution won in 28. >> Yeah. So no matter what, you're looking. at another year plus. >> absolutely.

>> before the trial. Uh can you do it in a. year, year and a half? Yeah, probably. I. mean, if everything breaks your way and. goes right and everybody transfers uh. discovery from one side to the other, it. probably could be done in 28. Um if. they, you know, get cute and try to hide. the ball, it's going to take longer. >> Says the Utah County Attorney's Office. is anticipating that it will be a 17week. trial. Um, and yeah, the prosecutors. want to go a year from now and the. defense is saying, "No, we need more. time." And I I actually once I see how.

much they dumped on them, which is the. everything strategy. >> Yeah. >> Uh, they probably do need more time. Selfishly, I want it to happen sooner. >> Yeah. >> But, um, we'll see what happens. And. Yeah. All right, Baron. Uh, where can. they find you? Baron has a YouTube. channel. >> Uh, just go to YouTube and search Baron. Coleman. You'll find it. It's I think. the handle's real Baron Podcast. Um, there's there's a clips channel as well, Baron Coleman Clips. you can subscribe. there and get daily clips from the. different shows. Um X is Baron Coleman. Um but I want to thank you. I I really.

appreciate you uh for this opportunity. X is um it means a lot that you you. trust me for that. I absolutely trust. you. And like I said, it was like one of. these things when I looked up and I. stopped lamenting everything that was. going wrong the past year and I looked. up and I was like, man, you sometimes. forget to count your blessings. And. >> this just to be able to have the. friendship to trust someone, which is so. hard already, like when you have the. spotlight on you all the time and people. are selling you out for Discord money, to be able to have someone who like. genuinely cares about the case even. though you didn't know who Charlie was. and has put so much research into it. I.

do also want to shout out Daisy. She's. been amazing. I've never met her, uh, but she's done so much as well. Uh, and. all of the small smaller creators, the. funny creators, the laugh breaks, Colin, Coach Colin, show is is very very funny. Um, I could uh NY's channel has been a. channel that has stayed on things. She's. very thorough. She's always on a random. rabbit hole and then I watch her and I'm. like, how did she get like where how did. she get here? And thank you, I needed. this information like. >> Yeah, she had a good piece she put up. today on the me I'm on one of her. members, but she had a good thing she. put up today about the necklace and it.

was phenomenal. Yeah, she does a great. job and it's always never where I'm. looking and so I she she's been. excellent. Who other creators? I. obviously love Lionel Nation. I just. love that he's so British even though. he's not. His little his little bow tie, his extensive vocabulary that makes us. all feel like he's posh. And. >> um there's so many of them. You got on. the ground reporters, Diligent Dennis. >> Dennis has been phenomenal. Yep. Taking. a lot of heat and getting better, too. Like I I think before he used to kind of. get distracted by the little stuff and. now he's like you know what going into. the fire on the ground and this is what.

actually matters. >> No that there's people you mentioned. wolves and finance. There's people. chasing finances. That's their thing. Good. Do your thing. There are people. chasing you know gunshots and they're. they're testing all the gun. I mean. there it this case is so broad and has. so much interest. No one person can. possibly cover everything. >> Village crazy crazy lady. I actually. actually have had a very nice friendship. with her too and and she's someone that. I do trust. Mel um she's actually not. the village grace lady. She does. fantastic work looking into NARS the. pastor angle that we we've been. noticing. Yeah.

>> Um so yeah I do want to also just we we. it's been such a collaborative process. and to walk away and know who we can. trust and obviously just luckily that. you and I live close to each other. >> It it that's that's real fortune. >> It really is. >> because it really helped. It's it's. easy. You call and say can you come over. for a little bit? I got I got to run. something by you and I can only show you. in front. Okay fine. >> Me trying to understand a map. >> Yeah. >> He's like it says north. I'm like, "But. I'm south." Like, I'm just the typical. woman at that. It's like, it makes me. sick. Why are women like this? >> You're like, "He's walking up on the. map. Which way is that?" I'm like, "It.

says north right there.". >> You're like, "It's the exact opposite. thing of what you think it is." I'm. like, "Okay." Yeah. Yeah. It's like map. dyslexia. >> You You have map dyslexia. >> Yeah. And that I think that's fine. >> Everybody Look, everybody has to have a. weakness. Achilles had the Achilles. Everybody has to have one weakness and. yours is maps. Mine is is honestly if. you knew how bad it was, guys, you would. never I just make Ashley do everything. because she's randomly good at maps for. some reason, which is weird. All right, you guys. Well, that's everything. Um, again, we are we're closing in on the. fire chief that gave CPR that was. mentioned. I think we have the correct.

person, but if you have it on direct. authority, we'd love to hear from you. We're still looking into Tyler Clancy. Um, we have heard some more updates on. him as well. Uh, Governor Cox trying to. figure out if he got together for a. little bit of golf that morning with Val. Peterson and uh, yes, I will get. everything up on the website, the. documents for you to be able to scroll. through. I know I've promised that. I. will take care of that in the next two. weeks. Baron will be giving will begin. on November 1st. I think Theo Von might. pop in for a book club to cover for me.

and he's not going to read the book, which makes it even more fun. Theo Bon. pretends to read a book and just leads a. book club. >> Well, I'm gonna be honest. I'm going to. show up that day no matter what. Oh, it's going to be great. Actually, fantastic. >> I don't even want to be on camera. I. just want to meet him. >> Yeah. Oh, he's fantastic. Yeah. My. >> November 2nd is when start date is is is. November 2nd. >> All right, you guys. That is everything. Thank you so much. And he will see you. on November 2nd. And I will I'm going to. go have a baby.