Candace Owens x Ana Kasparian

All right, you guys. I am so excited. I. have been saying probably seen this all. over online that I have been dying to. host Ana Kasparian because I feel like. at the exact same time her and I had. perhaps a broader awakening about this. left-right paradigm that is not serving. the left or the right and is only. serving the elites. It's how we are all. feeling right now and similarly her and. I are both under a very severe attack. from Zionists who I guess want our. families to be harmed. Ana Kasparian.

>> Welcome to The Candace Show. >> Thank you for having me. >> I'm like thrilled to have you. It's just. so funny because we hated each other. >> Yes. >> so much. >> So much. I mean, it's it is wild where. we're at, but. I'll tell you where I started to change. my mind about you. It was a few years. ago where. well, first of all, it started with your. firing at The Daily Wire and what you. were fired for, right? The fact that you. were willing to call out a genocide for. what it is and I really respected that. cuz there weren't really any media.

people on the right at all at that time. who were willing to do it. Then after that, you went on I think you. maybe a few podcasts where you talked. about your evolution in regard to your. perception of Muslims. And I was like, okay, that takes an honest person to say. that to like admit I was wrong and. especially on the right where. you know, the Islamophobia, which I think is the product of. brainwashing, is still very much. prominent, right? And then the final. thing that happened was you went on I.

think it was Breaking Points you were. talking to Saagar and Jetty. This is. before the election. You were in support. of Donald Trump at the time, but Saagar. asked you, you know, you're against invading Iran. or going to war with Iran. What would. you do if Trump gets elected and he goes. to war with Iran? You just straight up. said, I will no longer support him and. I'll be vocal about it. And I'm like, okay, we'll see. We'll see. And you made good on that promise and I. I'm I really appreciate that. >> Yeah, I I think for me, I had to sort of.

re-examine. It It takes a lot of. humility, I think, when you have a. public platform. People are always. rooting for you to be wrong anyway, and. I think it's the reason that so many. people hold on to ideas even when they. know they're wrong. >> Yes. >> don't want to do the thing and go. through the process of change. >> But people love it. >> Yeah. >> People love when you're willing to be. honest about what you were incorrect. about, and that you're willing to. recalibrate or evolve on an issue. I I. know that I'm growing and evolving. I.

mean, I started working at TYT when I was like. 20 years old, and so I'm now going to. turn 40 in July. So, that's 20 years for. me to not change at all would be. ridiculous and embarrassing, to be quite. frank, right? >> Right. >> And so, I'm I'm proud of my changes. I'm. open-minded. I'm willing to have. conversations with just about anyone as. long as I know it's going to be good. faith. >> Mhm. >> And um. we have to find a way to bring the. American people together because. we are in the fight of our lives. Our.

government is not representing us, and. the only way we can change things is if. we're willing to build coalitions and. work together. on our system of government and making. the reforms that we need. We need to get. money out of politics. >> Mhm. >> We need to ensure that foreign. governments do not have a say on our. foreign policy or our domestic policy. Um if we don't do that, we're screwed. Our country's done. And so, I'm noticing. that there is some growing unity the. left and the right. The anti-war left, anti-war right, who are privy to the.

fact that our politicians are super. corrupt, that they're bought by moneyed. interests, and. you can't really solve that problem with. one group of voters. You really need all. hands on deck. >> You do, and I think for me, when I. started to have the scales fall from my. eyes, for a second time, by the way. I. feel like I sort of graduated to. politics. and I'm like, "Oh, I figured. this out. Republicans have it right, and. the left has it, you know, Democrats. have it wrong." And I felt so great. about that, and I felt like so free, and.

so smart. And so then when I went. through this second process, and was. going, "Wait a minute. Why is genocide. sometimes okay?" And going, "I I can't. have gotten that wrong. Come on. Come. on, Republicans. This is You obviously. what's happening in Gaza is wrong." It's. kind of a scary process because then you. have to you go, "How could I have had. this so wrong?". >> Totally. >> "How could I have had this so wrong?". >> It It is It's a scary process because. politics has become more than just, "Oh, this is a group of people I agree with.

on policies." It It turned into, I. think, a replacement for religion for. some people. It turned into cuz think. about, you know, the era when everyone. went to church or everyone went to. temple or or, you know, mosque, whatever. It It's your community, right? These are. people that you communicate with. These. are people who might have different pol-. politics than you, but you share a. faith, and as a result, you have. exposure to people who have different. ideas. But then as people became less and less. religious in this country, I think.

politics or political parties kind of. became the church. Right? And it's scary. to go against your community. >> Right. And that's it. You You suddenly. find yourself in a position where you. have to make all new like political. friends, so to speak. >> Exactly. Yes. >> And then you see what they are capable. of, what they are willing to do, how. much it is just as you're describing, not even a religion, a cult. And the how. quickly I was sort of excommunicated, and [clears throat] they tried to, just.

as if you're leaving a cult, convince me. that I was the crazy person for for. saying something so sensible. Like, "Hey, killing kids is wrong. We. shouldn't do that." Like saying a. statement like Brian Mast did about the. Palestinians, "There's no such thing as. an innocent Palestinian," which is what. I was tweeting about in particular. Everyone should just have been like, of. course this is a wrong statement from. Brian Mast, but they tried to play this. psychological game on. >> Totally. >> where they were gaslighting me. >> Like you were the wrong like you were in. the wrong because you realized that you.

have a sitting United States Congressman. wearing the uniform of a foreign foreign. country in the halls of Congress talking. about how it's okay to just slaughter an. entire group of people including women, children, elderly people. because of the cult he's in. It is a. cult. And I mean, what are our values as. a country? And the other thing is the. fact that you were willing to put. everything on the line to speak out. against the genocide in Gaza made me. realize that you are actually good faith.

on other political views you have, right? Because I'm I'm pro-choice. That. that hasn't changed. I mean, I'm. definitely not in favor of um you know. late-term abortions happen, but they're. very rare. But you know, I think that. there were some laws written in a way. that could have been abused, whatever, you know, but my point is. when it came to conservatives who said. that they're anti-choice, I was like, they just want to control women. That's. all it's about. They don't actually see. the fetus as a life. They don't see a. zygote as as the same as a human life. No, but you do actually, right? Because.

you'll see conservatives. cheer on what's happening in Gaza and. now Lebanon and now Lebanon and then. purport to be pro-life. >> Yep. That was one of the big ones for me. where I was going, we're pro-life and. you're telling me that there's an. exception because you have some. heretical theology that's telling you. that oh all of these rules are of course. we should be abiding by this and of. course it's the right thing to do and. God God God, Jesus Christ and then they. go, oh but unless it happens in Israel,

then it's okay. So I'm like, oh wait, wait, so there's this random carve-out. where we can mass murder kids as long as. it's in Israel. Why doesn't every mass. murderer just go to Israel and just do. whatever they want? And then you just. go, well, they're chosen. So this this. land is chosen so they can do whatever. they want on this land. That was. shocking for me and it made me. uh. go a lot deeper on theology and and. gratefully like my husband is just he. majored in theology at and so it's been. kind of a part of his internal dialogue. for a very long time and I was like, "What am I missing here? Like how how.

did I miss that I was in partnership. with these people that you're right this. is not a. theology for them. This is a cult. This. is a cult.". >> What's really interesting and something. that I've always wanted to ask you about. is. do you feel that I mean I'm sure look. I'm I'm seeing the success of your show. So, obviously there's a giant portion of. conservatives out there in this country. who side with you and don't fall under. the category that I'm about to describe. but. do you feel like you were kind of used.

as a tool earlier in your career? >> Absolute I know not feel. It's a fact. >> Because when you're critical of let's. say the black community, oh they love. it, right? That's when. you get a platform and you get all the. plaudits and speaking engagements but. once you speak out against what's. happening in Gaza, you're not that useful tool anymore. >> That was one of the things that was. really hard for me to contend with. personally because obviously when I was. at the Daily Wire, we were actually kind.

of in the midst of the same. topic really, right? So, it's like. you're talking about a race. You're. saying, "Okay, this thing happened." So, they were saying October 7th happened. The Daily Wire was saying the George. Floyd thing happened. This is going to. be the impetus now and I they were doing. things that in my view still to this day. were just wrong. I don't care what. happened in Minnesota, you don't have. the right to go into Target and grab a. flat screen TV, right? And so I wanted. to do a documentary. I wanted to dive. deeper on the topic and it was round of. applause from the Daily Wire. This is.

amazing. Give her a platform. Well, then. I watched the virtually the exact same. thing, right? Using race as an excuse. saying, "Oh, well, we have to do this. for Jews. You know, have this event this. this event that happened, which was. singular." And then they tried to. extrapolate it, and I'm going, "Well, it's still wrong." Right? Right. Well, the law is the law, like you know, morality is morality. Doesn't matter if. a black person does it or if a Jewish. person does it. You don't get to rob and. steal Palestinian homes. >> Exactly. >> And suddenly it was, "You're an. anti-Semite. You deserve to have. nothing. You shouldn't even be able to.

be allowed to travel to Australia. because you are akin to Adolf Hitler.". >> That's crazy. >> that gave me the platform. And so I. Yeah, it was a very tough pill to. swallow. >> So, Australia banned you after you said. that it's a genocide? >> Um yeah, that was the beginning of every. I mean, I had I was temporarily banned. for ads from YouTube because they are. organized online and started mass. reporting my new channel. Um I got. banned from Australia. Got fired from. The Daily Wire. They uh started putting. pressure, Ben Shapiro in particular, on.

you know, this is the Zionist lobby. It's It's not just in America. It's. global. >> Um and so I went from being a rockstar. to suddenly she is Adolf Hitler and. deserves nothing in her life because she. has a a moral principle. So, you you. kind of look and you go, "Well, I have. two options here. I can play the game. >> Yeah. >> and do you like the most majority people. do and just look the other way and say, "Oh, I don't really care about what's. happening overseas.". >> Go along to get along. >> Get along to get along or you you take a. a bold stand and you say, "I'll rebuild. it I cuz I don't I don't want to have a.

house that's made um because I'm silent. on issues that actually impact my soul. I want to get into heaven. >> Ex- Okay, I mean, there's that for sure. But on top of that, I don't think people. who go along to get along realize. they're going to get caught. Because audiences aren't stupid, and we. might be in an environment where you can. get away with either being silent or. providing ridiculous excuses for why. you're not speaking out against what's. really going on or why you're not, you.

know, willing to tell the truth about. what's going on. Eventually, there's. going to be enough videos of dead. children. Eventually, when it comes to. the war in Iran, uh the gas prices and. the inflation is going to be so bad that. you're going to lose people and people. are going to wake up to what the reality. is. And when they are personally harmed, when their own household is personally. harmed by these policies that, you know, the government pursues based on moneyed. interests or foreign pressure, well, you know, they're going to lose. support from the people. And.

what do they do? The first thing they do. is they engage in intimidation tactics, censorship. The more the, you know, pro-Israel crowd and the Zionists. attempt to censor people and intimidate. them, the more counterproductive they're. being for their own cause. >> Right, but they don't think they don't. think long-term. They don't think. long-term. They're always thinking. short-term and what's right in front of. them. They don't They're not trying to. make friends. They're trying to terrify. people. They operate exactly like a. mafia. Um who would you say on the left are.

people that maybe like were your heroes? Were you shocked didn't take the moral. position? >> [sighs]. >> Um I don't talk about him that often. because it really does break my heart. I. He was the best reporter after the 2008. uh economic collapse. I. Matt Taibbi. Uh he He hasn't taken the. wrong position. He's just decided to be. silent for whatever reason and. that kind of breaks my heart because. he's such an amazing journalist and. reporter and I thought that he would be. an important voice in exposing the truth.

to people, but for whatever reason he's. just decided to remain silent. And when. people kind of started to nudge him. about it, he continued to be silent and. then defensive. And I'm like, there's. something going on. >> Mhm. >> And I'm also in a different place in my. life where. I don't feel the need to like just go. out of my way to attack people. Like I. used to be an attack dog a little bit. So, I'm not like going out of my way to. attack him or anything. I'm just. disappointed. And so, I just note it for. the record and then I move on or wait to. people I can trust.

>> Yeah, so much of that. I think. especially for me like the. obviously the Charlie Kirk. assassination. >> Yeah, I bet. >> just. I will never see politics the same. I'm like what did that man live for? >> Yeah. >> He platformed all of you. All of you. Me, everyone. I just thought there would. be. an army of people assembled. I thought we'd have a truth in a week. >> Mhm. >> This man is like the reason Donald Trump. is in office. He was like brothers with.

Don Trump. So could you imagine the shock. >> Yeah. >> that I have gone through like Kash Patel. who who was the person writing hardcore. for Kash Patel. >> Kash Patel, there's something going on. with that brother. I don't know what is. going on with him, but there's something. very strange about him. I mean, it could. just be a lack of confidence for the. role that he's in, but when you consider. the fact that he's our FBI director. still. When you consider the fact that we have. depleted 80% of our missile interceptors.

because we've given military aid to. Israel, Ukraine. We're currently using. interceptors, you know, in this war. against Iran. I'm worried about our national security. Our national security like and I'm not. one of these like who I'm going to scare. everybody. I'm not a scaremonger. And I never bought into national. security threats or that narrative from. the government when it came to. manufacturing consent for wars that we. got involved in. But right now when you. just look at the facts our military. capability is weakened. We don't have.

the manufacturing capacity that Iran has. for instance. Like they build $5,000. drones real quick. We have an entire. corrupt system where these defense. contractors for we don't have like the. industrial base and the manufacturing. capacity to build these weapons as. quickly as we would need. Okay? And then. on top of that, just because we're. spending an arm and a leg on our. Pentagon, on our defense budget, doesn't. mean that we're getting our money's. worth. >> No, we're sending it overseas. >> We're sending it overseas, and on top of. that, we're spending more than we need.

to on the weaponry that we purchase, the. the defense capabilities we purchase. from these private defense contractors. >> That's the entire Neocon class. And this that's the Meghan McCains of. the world who sit up there, have. accomplished absolutely nothing in their. lives, but just sit up there and go, "War, war, war, war, war!" because my. trust fund needs to grow. Um and have. the audacity to lecture us. >> a funny story about Meghan McCain. >> I I just [laughter] I'm amazed that she. has the audacity to ever speak, but. well, like, "My daddy." That's her whole.

position in life. "My daddy." She's. never done literally anything. >> I've never met. I've never met a woman in the media. space or political space who's. less intellectually curious than Meghan. McCain. >> She's so I mean, she used to host a show. called Take Part Live. And at this time, she and I knew each other, and so I. would fill in when one of the hosts was. out, but we interacted. And I remember. one time they called me in to be a guest. on the panel, and they were going to.

talk about This is during the Obama. administration. They were going to talk. about Obama's expansion of drone use in, you know, the Middle East. And a lot of. innocent people were getting killed, you. know, a lot of collateral damage. And. people were very critical about that. And so, she just had to read an article, so she would know what the story is as. we talk about it on the show. >> She couldn't be bothered to read the. article. >> She had no interest at all. I'm like, "Why are you even in this space? What. are you doing?". >> You you could see that even when she was. on The View. She She just had nothing to. add that was intellectual or that looked.

like she maybe studied She She She just. comes across like they had a butler who. did her homework. Do you know what I. mean? And that she's that she reads very. few books. There's just something about. her, and yet she has this attitude and. this sense of this arrogance, "Well, my. daddy, my daddy, my daddy." And has no. idea what the general viewpoint is of. her father. Like she that's also. something. It's like she thinks like her. dad is some like very well-liked. politician. No, actually on the right or. or on the left is your father was your. father very well-liked or is he very. respected? And I think people chose this.

sort of. respectful silence obviously when he. passed away and for me a moment where I. really saw what she was was when she. used her father's funeral. to dunk on Trump. >> Like I don't remember that. >> gosh, her the speech. Yeah. My my my dad would say that this country. was always great because you know, Trump. said make America great again. >> That's right. I do remember that now. >> And I just thought to myself, what is. your life? Like do you have a real life? If you think that I would waste one. sentence, one breath towards an enemy.

when my father. >> Yeah, the funeral. >> at the funeral. It's like I like are you. kidding me? You're trying to mention a. political it's just it was to me so. crass and so. yeah, it it's the arrogance that comes. that goes with it when we know you. worked for nothing in your life and you. have had everything handed to you and. you actually don't have any moral. principle outside of more war, more war, more war. >> Yeah. >> Um and the amount of people who are. dying. It it it's the way these people. speak to us and I'm saying left and. right. The way they speak to us when. they call us evil, psychopathic.

>> When we're worried about innocent people. getting killed. Like that at the heart. of it. is that we find it immoral, just like I. did on October 7th. I find it immoral when civilians are. targeted and killed. >> Mhm. >> So, I was not ever one of those people. who cheered on what happened on October. 7th. Never. I never would. That goes. against who I am as a human being. I. value human life and I don't think. civilians should be targeted for any. reason. Anytime they are, the person.

doing the targeting, the group doing the. targeting is in the wrong. Period. >> That's it. >> So, when you now have upward of 75,000. people killed in Gaza and you mention. that to a Israel firster or Zionist, and. they respond to you immediately by. saying, "What about October 7th?" What. that communicates to me is. you do have a problem with civilian. lives being lost on a particular side. >> Mhm. >> But civilian lives mean nothing to you.

at first I thought when it comes to the. Palestinians, but no. I feel like human life doesn't matter to. them at all unless we're talking about a. Jewish Zionist. Because if you're a. Jewish [clears throat] person, like Dave. Smith for instance. >> they'll they'll kill you, too. They. could care less about. >> a Zionist? Oh, they could they couldn't. care less. You're right. >> Mhm. >> They could not care less, and I just. find that so immoral. But they turn. around and they try to make us look like. we're the immoral ones. because we have a problem and we're. speaking out about this. >> That's exactly right, and you you.

understand even. within the Jewish population, and that's. why I've done so so much I've made such. an effort over the last year to wake up. Jewish Americans to this. >> Yes. >> you were brainwashed. This is what you. think. I mean, this is the whole reason. they started the program of Birthright. >> Yes. >> guy got caught uh like out of private. call saying that like we need to kind of. come up with something we're losing Gen. Z. We got to do like we did when we. established that program for Birthright. Um and this is why Max Blumenthal has. done such incredible work because he. went on Birthright and he spoke about. but that experience. They're.

brainwashing them so young, right? We. are all subject to brainwashing. >> We are brainwashed, of course. Of. course. >> I have come out of learning as like, "How did I get brainwashed?" I thought. the same thing. I was watching the. Holocaust movies. All of that is a part. of your growing up your brainwashing. experience, what you're learning in the. classroom, your who is the victim, you. know, and who do you have to defend, who. is being oppressed. And so there's this. sort of trigger mechanism that is within. all of us. It's buried within us from. the time that we're kids, and we don't. realize it because we're just taking in. so much media. We're taking in we're.

listening to our teachers, and then. we're like, "October 7th happens." And. then they go, "Remember all that stuff?". Like this is now you have to understand. what they're going to do next. Think. about what happened. You don't want. another Holocaust. >> it's like priming you to be accepting of. something that just goes against your. core principles. >> And and for Jewish Americans, too. So, you can understand why they reacted the. way that they did right away. >> Of course. Yeah. >> they're going to get that 20 times. worse. There's going to be your stories. about your grandma and your book. You. you go to temple, you go to you know, you're I mean you go to you go to. synagogue, and you're going to have.

those presets. And then it went too far. And a lot of them snapped out of it and. now I get Jewish people emailing me. like, "I don't know what this is. I. don't know why I'm being told I have to. defend Jeffrey Epstein. I don't know why. I'm being told I have to defend Bibi. Netanyahu." So, >> Can we just address how brazenly obvious. like. Okay, when every pro-Israel media figure. comes out at the same time and basically. says, "Oh, there's no big deal with the. Epstein files. They shouldn't be.

released." You're giving it away. Like. you're giving it away. Like you guys are. too obvious. >> Mhm. >> And and what I'm wondering is. was the propaganda always this bad or is. it that we're just a lot more awake now. because there's diversified independent. media, people are kind of breaking out. of their bubble, so it's harder to lie. to us. So, their like propaganda muscle. has atrophied to some extent. >> So well said. >> Right? >> I I think it's the latter, absolutely. I. think we are more awake than ever been.

There's independent media, uh and it's. also, like you said earlier, they can't. help themselves. So, the entire strategy. of a Daily Wire trying to destroy me. >> Mhm. >> actually woke a lot of people up. It's. like, "My goodness, Candace was going. around Judeo-Christian doing all the. things. She worked at PragerU. You want. me to believe that overnight Candace. Owens became an anti-Semite? It don't. get no worse.". >> I know. She was working with uh you. know, Ben Shapiro and Marsha Blackburn. and Dennis Prager. And they're like, "Yeah, no, it's it's crazy how it. happened. She fell and bumped her head. and now she's Adolf Hitler." And that. it's it's the whiplash. It's too fast.

People go, "Okay, you had me Maybe you. had me at Nick Fuentes." You know, this. is like people go, "Okay, he was done. early. He's 18. We didn't know who he. was." But they just start moving and. then you're going, "It's Candace Owens. Oh, no, Tucker Carlson bumped his head. and became Adolf Hitler." It's It's. becomes way too and then you go, "Okay, let me go back and really see what's. happening here.". >> Totally. Because, I mean, look, Nick Fuentes' rhetoric is nowhere close. to Tucker Carlson's rhetoric. Not. nowhere close to it. >> They're all in the same box. >> Right, but they're lumped together and.

to me, this isn't really about hatred. toward Jewish people, which I find. immoral, just like I would find hatred. toward Muslims or hatred toward. Christians. Like hating any group of. people simply based on their identity is. wrong. I've always been against that. Yeah. >> But um. But yeah, I just I just seems like. I forgot where I was going with that. Yeah, a lot of people I like I think. they were just kind of part of this. algorithmic bubble where they're only. exposed to one thing. And when it came to the Muslim.

population, I think that the. dehumanization. was seen in the media across the board. And that brainwashing worked for a. really long time. I mean, it definitely. convinced Americans to support wars that. we shouldn't have supported. >> Going back to those presets when we're. in our youth, 9/11. >> Yep. >> It was so raw. It was so scary. They The. way they made us stand up at 9/11 every. day at the time in school. Moment of. silence for what the Muslims did to us. But think about like that's kind of So I. was just like, "Muslims. Like this is.

just how they live. This is what they. do." And didn't didn't register to me as. Islamophobia. I just thought I'm I'm. educated. It's a token of your education. to understand how despicable Muslims. are. >> I I remember that. I remember that so. well. I remember the unfair attacks. against Muslims. By the way, I mean, there are different Muslim beliefs, like. sects and whatever, but everything was. just lumped together. Muslims bad and. this is going to be used as a. justification for us to enrich defense.

contractors. They profit off war. Right. now, you know, there's a town in Alabama. where they make um. rockets and military weaponry, and it's. booming all of a sudden because of the. war against Iran. And um it's funny listening to an. interview of like one of the workers. there because. they're able to like compartmentalize. the economic boom they're experiencing. from. what it's feeding into. >> Mhm. >> And so when you think about how people's. livelihoods get wrapped up into.

questions of peace and war, when you. consider the fact that our our media. apparatus, especially when it comes to. legacy media or corporate media, is very. much. part of the propaganda campaigns to. in my opinion, just trick Americans into. supporting things that actually work. against their own interests. All of that stuff started to kind of get. chipped away at by independent media and. people being willing to. honestly. critique their own side. There aren't a. lot of people in the media who are.

willing to do that, just a handful that. I can think of, but I think that woke a. lot of people up. It really did. I I. really do think it did. >> And the whiplash of Oh, Tucker Carlson. was fine for Fox News and CNN and. everything, and then all of a sudden no, Tucker Carlson very, very bad. You can't. listen to it. It's But we're starting to. notice this pattern that it's the same. issue that suddenly gets these people. who are welcomed, loved by the. mainstream, adored by the mainstream, and then suddenly thrust to the side and. having not just their livelihoods. impacted, but also our families. I was.

watching this attack on your husband. like my husband's being attacked, your. husband's being attacked. And by the. way, kudos for you for just coming back. Thank you. Yes, it is my husband. He's. hot. I'm glad you found him. >> I mean. >> Right, right. He's hot. Thank you. >> [laughter]. >> But what actually sits at the center of. that? Let's now try to get and harass. Ana Kasparian's husband. What Why do you. think that that became now their their. prime motivator? >> Well, because. I'm I don't want to say I'm unbreakable,

but I am kind of unbreakable. Like I'm. the kind of person who does not respond. well to others telling me what I can and. can't think or what I can and can't say. So, I might fall prey to brainwashing. and propaganda. We're all susceptible to. that. However, when you're straight-up telling me. you're not allowed to think that, you're. not allowed to say that, I just get very. irritable and I double down. It's like. not the way to persuade me to think. otherwise, right? And so,

I mean, they've done some damage to me. financially. I got fired from a job that. I really really like a side job where I. was doing investigative reporting on. California-based stories because there's. a lot going down in California that I. think people need to be aware about to. make smarter decisions when they vote. So, even though that was one of the more. difficult jobs, like I was writing. features like 2,000-word pieces that. were like original reporting. It was hard. It was very time-consuming, but I loved that job so much. They they they took it from me.

I guess there was one board member at. the company that didn't like my. commentary. I called Jonathan Conricus, who's a IDF propagandist. He's usually. on like Piers Morgan's show and. whatever. I was on with him and I called. him a terrorist because he's a. terrorist. And. that was it. Like that was what got me. fired. Whatever, but I'll take it. I. want to be free. I don't want to work. for some This is not a news organization. if you guys are going to censor people. on what they can and can't say on what's. going down in the Middle East right now. So, okay, fine. You took that from me.

But once they realized that like taking. things away from me wasn't working, once. they realized like TYT is not going to. fire her, they're like, "Okay, what else can we. do?" And they immediately move on to. collective punishment. They are big. believers in the ideology of collective. punishment. So, we're going to go after. her family. We're going to go after her. husband who's a freaking PE teacher who. is not political. By the way, after they. did go after him, this is the second. time. First time they did it, suddenly my.

husband's asking me questions about. what's happening in Gaza. Suddenly he's. he's listening to my show. He's and I'm. like, "Oh, you never you know, cuz he's. not a political person at all." I'm. like, "Why are you asking me questions. suddenly? Why are you listening to the. show regularly?" He's like, "Cuz. they made me want to know what's going. on.". >> Exactly. >> You know what I'm saying? So, like their. efforts in attacking people, intimidating people, censoring people is. so counterproductive, but they're too. stupid to realize it. >> Right. All right, you guys. Are you working. hard every day, but somehow it still.

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she's like, "This. Okay, so are you BDS now?" Like, do you. know what I mean? [laughter] Are you. saying like that I should not work in. any capacity with Zionists? That's. that's literally. >> I mean, yeah, that is what they are. >> boycott, divest, and sanction. So, I'm. turning Zionists into promoters of BDS, which is incredible. They don't even I. guess there's no thought process. It's. just attack, attack, attack, attack. It's like, I have to spend money with a. lawyer, okay? There are. millions of lawyers. They're They're all. over. They're a dime a dozen over here. Uh if you want to attack a lawyer for. getting paid, you're doing the work of. actually what people think people should.

boycott, divest um away from Zionists in. general. And so, I'm like, "Okay, this. is not a big deal to me." But, there is. a There is a desperation. Uh there's. something right now that feels very. fragile. >> Mhm. >> They're getting so increasingly. desperate. Like, they are We're going. after people's husbands. We're going. after people's lawyers. We will try to. just harass you. And it's obviously not. working at all. I'm like you. I just dig. my feet in even more. And I'm like, "Let's suit up for battle. Let's do this. thing. I am not going to be broken by.

this. You guys have tried so much." But, right now, I mean, the radical nature of. Trump's tweets right now. >> gosh. >> They're unhinged. And I used to enjoy. they used to be pithy, one sentence, and. hit at some modicum of truth like only. Rosie O'Donnell. That's just funny to. people cuz it's like he's saying. basically Rosie O'Donnell. This is not. that. This is like the rantings of a. madman. I don't have time to read all of. this. And at its core, it's just he's. being instructed to attack people who.

don't support Israel. >> It's crazy. It's absolutely insane. What. are we getting close to? >> Yeah. >> That's my question. What are we getting. close to if they don't feel like they're. in control right now? They feel like an. animal backed into a corner that's. fighting and just lashing. >> Well, it's funny because they are in. control of the levers of power, right? And that's definitely scary. I mean, don't get me wrong. I don't want to. minimize that. But at the same time, they are no longer in control of the. narrative. And Americans are waking up.

to. just how much our government has been I. I mean, for lack of a better word, infiltrated by people who are much more. concerned with foreign policy that. benefits Israel above and beyond, you. know, what's better for the American. people. This war against Iran doesn't. benefit us in any way, shape, or form. And we went into it with no strategy, no. plan. >> No support from people. >> Exactly. No support for I mean, Trump. never even thought he needed to make his. case to the American people. So, we went.

into it with it being an incredibly. unpopular war. The fact that he didn't even consider. that Iran would take control of the. Strait of Hormuz, thus creating a lot of. economic pain for the globe. Like think. about all all of our allies right now, long-time allies who are so furious with. us. You know, Germany recently came out and. had some, you know, strong words against. the United States. Um India has been irritated with us. because of first Trump's liberation day. tariffs, which also seemed pretty.

ham-handed. And I'm saying that as. someone who's supportive of targeted. tariffs and think, you know, they can. work in bringing some jobs back to the. United States, but the way he did it. made a lot of enemies. Again, I go back to the issue of our, you know, military being weakened. because we've given so many weapons. away, we've used so many weapons, and. we've depleted 80% of our uh missile. interceptors. I just feel for the first time that we. are not safe, but the thing that gives. me a little bit of relief is knowing. that.

people on the left and the right are. waking up to it. You know, like that. gives me hope. If If it weren't for. that, honestly, I would definitely be. 100% black-pilled. I would be a total. doomer, and I would see no hope for the. future. But the people are waking up. >> Right. >> And so, the fact that the individuals. you're referring to who are backed into. a corner don't have control of the. narrative, that's why they're backed. into the corner. And they don't know. what to do. So, they're lashing out and. attacking family members, but it's only. helping our cause when they do that.

Because people see it and they're just. like, "Ew, this is disgusting behavior. Why are you going after a PE teacher. >> Mhm. >> who never said anything about Israel at. all, you know? And anything I've said. about Israel is not anti-Semitic. Israel. carried out a genocide, continues to. carry out a genocide in Gaza. Uh they. were occupying 53% of the territory, now. they're occupying about how they. quietly redrew the map of the area of. Gaza that they're going to occupy. So, from 53% to 64%. Where are all those.

Palestinians going to go? How many uh. refugee crises have we experienced. because Israel wants to pursue its. border expansion project? >> Mhm. >> And so, when I hear people like that. Tommy Robinson guy whining about like, "Oh, the Islamification of the UK, these. Muslims are so bad and so dangerous.". You are supportive of Israel. So, unless. you wake up and tell the truth about. what's actually happening and what's. causing these mass migration events, how. about you shut up? >> I always say that and I'm like, "And. where do you think these migrants are.

coming from?". >> Exactly. >> they wanted to be here, or are they. being forced out of their homes? And so. they don't they can't connect the dots. there. >> Yeah. >> It's the Oh, we have a Muslim problem. Well, no, we actually we have an Israel. never-ending war problem. >> Exactly. >> And it's then, of course, these people. have to go somewhere if we're just going. to take their land. >> Look at Lebanon now. >> Yeah. >> They're Yeah, we're just going to take. Southern Lebanon. And then, by the way, they've begun. evacuating villages north of the Litani. River, meaning, "Oh, no, it's not just. Southern Lebanon.".

And so, when people fearmonger about. groups like Hezbollah, for instance, which is supported by Iran, you got to understand why Hezbollah. exists in the first place. Hezbollah. formed in the 1980s after Israel invaded. Southern Lebanon. >> Mhm. >> So, like, let me ask. our red-blooded Americans right now, if. Mexico invaded, you know, one of our. Southern border country states, are we just going to sit back and take. it, or is there going to be a resistance. group? Right? Now, we have a military, we have a government that would prevent.

that from happening, but let's say a. foreign country. turned our government into a puppet of. theirs, and they cared less about. protecting the American people and our. territory, which I think is the case in. Lebanon. Um there would be a resistance. group. >> Of course, there would be a resistance. group. >> 100%. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like people I always say to people, it's. like they took their homes. They just. spoke up one day and said, "I I don't. care if you've lived here for centuries. I you just got to go. Uh we're now. giving your land, and you're not going. to get any money. Like you're at. gunpoint, you just got to leave your.

house.". >> I can't imagine what that's like. >> me that people don't understand that if. you keep empowering something that is. that immoral, right? Something that. believes that genocide is their right, >> Mhm. >> that it's their birthright to mass. murder children, who don't see you as. having a human soul. How do you not. comprehend that that chicken will. eventually come home to roost? >> 100%. I mean, I think Christians are. waking up to it because of the abuse. Christians are dealing with in in. Lebanon, in Jerusalem. You know, it's.

interesting because after World War I, um. because of the Armenian genocide that. was carried out by the Ottoman Empire, Ottoman Turks, Armenians became, you know, they fled. Many went to Syria. They were forced to. do a death march as my great-grandmother. was. And she survived it, but my. great-grandfather didn't. This is on my. dad's side. They killed him, and so she. had to do that death march that she. survived with her children in tow, including my grandfather.

I didn't know this until very recently. My last name wouldn't have been. Kasparian. Kasparian is the last name of. the man who took my great-grandmother. and grandfather in and you know, married. her and whatever. So, I would have had a. completely different last name. This. made me much more curious about like my. ancestry and everything. And on my mom's. side, they fled to Palestine. Okay? So, my my grandmother's birth certificate. said Haifa, Palestine.

And so, I started doing some research. into that because she was born in 1937. in Haifa. In 1947, a year before the Nakba. happened. Basically, the Soviet Union was sending. ships to what is now Israel. to take Armenians back to the homeland. because. well, there were these terrorist groups. that were carrying out terror attacks. against the Palestinians and Christians. cuz Armenians are overwhelmingly. Christian, right? And so, at that time,

what my research showed me was that the. Irgun, which is one of the three. terrorist groups that formed Israel, was attacking you know, local. communities there in Haifa, doing. bombings and all sorts of crazy things. So, like they fled genocide, went to. Haifa, and then have had to flee again, but luckily they were able to go back to. their homeland at that time. And they. went back to Armenia, and that's where. my mom was born. >> And it's crazy because those terrorist. groups, like they then came to the. United States, became their children.

became executives, politicians, like. they these are what we are dealing with. in media, are the sons and the daughters. of those terrorists. Make no mistake. I. mean, this is. >> yeah. >> the Emanuel family being one of them. Rahm Emanuel, Ari Emanuel, how much. power does that family have? >> trust that man. >> Yeah, but but Democrats. >> I'm going to look right there. I'm going. to look into the camera right now. Do. not trust him. He's like He's putting. out statements right now about like, "Oh, we should really rethink our. support to Israel." He's full of crap, okay? >> Absolutely not. >> Yeah, he. was in the IDF. Like, no. Don't trust.

him. Democrats need to distance themselves. from these people. Like, they're not. healthy for us. >> be honest, I just think at the top it's. all the same. I don't I think the. Epstein files had everyone in it. I. truly I think they have been that that. sort of global arms trafficking, human. sex trafficking, uh, syndicate has it is running America. and has been running America for a long. time. Obviously, Epstein hit you know, his side gig was blackmail, but people. forget that. former Mossad agents testified that he.

was brought in for the arms deal, for. the Iran-Contra scandal. >> yes. Okay, so you know, you know. >> deep on the Epstein stuff, and I'm. going, "Oh, okay. So, this is what I. think is kind of happening in America is. a lot of these people have a lot to do. with trafficking.". >> Well, do you read Dropsite News by any. chance? >> No. >> Okay, you will love it because Dropsite. News. when First of all, there was a leak of. the former Israeli Prime Minister's. email, and so they started doing. reporting on that. And then the Epstein.

files that were released, they. specifically started to look into what. kind of ties Epstein had with Israel, and it went beyond blackmailing our. politicians and powerful people on. behalf of Israel, right? He was making all sorts of international. deals on behalf of Israel, including the. arms deals you're referring to, you. know, cyber weapons, things like that. Why do you think the UAE has such a. friendly relationship with Israel? >> Weapons was one and I keep trying to. tell people about my podcast and like. guys like this is not So when I'm like.

looking into things and there's so much. trafficking connections, I'm like is. this are we looking at the Epstein. network? Is that what's being protected? And. I don't know what your take is on why. Trump is protecting that. >> I think they have blackmail on him. I. don't know I don't know how deep it. goes. I also think just keeping it real, Trump is a very corrupt person. I mean, he loves money and I think it's easy to. buy him. I think it's I think he's. exceedingly easy to corrupt. >> So and this is my opinion. So I I have.

no proof of this, but when I look at the. broader Epstein picture, one of the. things that Epstein was always involved. in was where women could be trafficked. to. So Victoria's Secrets, uh the. guy Jean-Luc Brunel was his partner in. Paris for like the modeling firm who. ended up killing himself in prison. Killing himself in hanging hanged. himself in prison. >> Just like Epstein. >> Exactly. And so he was constantly. plugged into all of these modeling firms. and also pageantry falls into that. category. And that was when why was.

Trump running, you know, the the. pageantry did like is that how he knows. Epstein well? Does that does it go back. that deep? Did. um he do a deal with Epstein and look. the other way like all these other. people did when these Eastern European. women were coming in? Those are the. questions that I have because it doesn't. make sense otherwise. Do I think he's. also protecting his donors? Absolutely. Do I think Trump is his own man? Obviously not. Miriam Adelson did a deal. with him, purchased out I mean she. outright purchased the White House. >> he said it himself. I mean, it's That's.

the thing that I guess I appreciate. about Trump if you want to put it that. way. I mean, I don't know if it's due to lack of. sophistication or if it's just that he. can't help himself, but he just says it. He just says it. And so, I choose to. believe him when he says that, you know, Miriam Adelson loves Israel more than. the United States, that she's got a lot. of money, that she, you know, is a big. donor. Like, I mean, he's communicating. to us, "Listen, I'm doing what I'm doing. cuz she bought me.". >> Well, that's also, by the way, what I. think is wrong with Kash Patel. He's. from Las Vegas. Mhm. Las Vegas was is a.

gambling empire. That's it. They own. Vegas. So, when I see people coming out. of Vegas, my immediate assumption is, "Well, you're already, if you made it up. the chain in Vegas, you've already done. some deals." Allegedly, >> Yeah. >> my opinion. But, when I say Kash Patel's. from Las Vegas, there's no Of course, obviously, he's corrupt. You don't get. ahead in Las Vegas because you're like a. good guy. >> Like, his behavior makes that obvious. >> Right. >> What do you think about the reporting. about his like alcohol use? Do you think. that's like an attempt to. smear him so it's easier to get rid of.

him? >> I think. >> Yeah. >> I think he he drinks. I think it's very. stupid for someone like The Atlantic to. publish that. It's just I mean, they're. they're too well-known to be like, "I'm. just going to publish a piece." It's way. too specific. And his reaction, he's. so vociferous about it. It was like too. much. And he just kind of strikes me as. When I was reading some of those. stories, I was like, "They're way too. specific." And I do know that people. don't like him. So, they would leak. those sorts of stories. >> Right. >> If The Atlantic is If their response is, "We are prepared to defend ourselves in. court,".

>> Yeah. >> then they have something. It's the same way where everyone is, "Sue Candace. Sue Candace." I have been. meticulous about making sure that I am. saving every source, every conversation. I don't take an unnecessary risk. I. don't want to be sued and then proven an. idiot by being like, "Oh, well, she was. just coming up with fantasy and nothing. was driving this." So, >> course. >> they they are and they are not. independent. They have people that they. have to rely upon. They have to have. those legal teams. They did not publish. that article and put a target on their. back from the FBI director on the basis. of just wanting to like lol publish.

That's my read on the situation. And he. is erratic. There's something about him. that feels erratic. And. even the tweet the weird tweet about my. girlfriend's a country music sensation. You got to be a couple of cocktails in, right? I mean, I don't think I hope I. think that's actually helps him. actually. I don't think it's. affirmation. I think that is the best. case scenario. It's like, oh, I was just. a few cocktails in. That's why I tweeted. it cuz if you did it sober, then I have some bigger questions, you. know, about your competence. >> I mean, the the biggest thing for me was.

um. you like to get drunk in DC around a. bunch of these people that like I. wouldn't want to be in a room with, to. be honest with you. Like I don't want to. spend my free time with these people at. all. But then on top of that to make. yourself vulnerable by getting wasted, like that's so crazy. >> I mean, the hockey thing. >> Crazy. I just crazy crazy. And people defended him on that. Like, oh, he's celebrating US won, like. whatever. And that's okay, fine, whatever. But now in retrospect when you. realize that he clearly has a drinking.

problem. >> I think that was very strange. It's just. you can celebrate, you can high five, but it was just like the whole it just. felt very frat boy about and it was very. frat boy. >> With the backdrop of how poorly he's. doing his job. I mean. I one thing that really stood out to me. was. the. guy who first attempted to assassinate. Donald Trump. I'm forgetting his name. right now. I don't know why, but um. >> There were three assassination attempts. and I think his name is Matthew.

>> Crooks. Crooks. >> Yes, perfect. Okay, Matthew Crooks. So, Tucker did this really great special on. the lack of investigation into that. And. how much we were lied to by our FBI. Like the fact that the FBI told us that, oh, there's no online trail of this guy. And it turns out, no, he was actually. pretty active online. Why did you lie to. us about it? And then he played a video. of Kash Patel testifying about it in. front of a congressional committee. And Patel was like, I can't disclose. that information cuz there's a trial.

except there isn't a trial Crooks is. dead. So, you know, like we want to. learn more about his motives like where. is he from? How did this happen? What. were like what were the security. failures? How come no one in the Secret. Service got fired over this? We're not getting any answers. So, I. look at our government. I'm just like. this is all Kabuki theater and these. people don't represent us. They don't. care about our safety. They don't care. about our country. They don't care about. the injustices that get carried out. against you know, some of the biggest. public figures in the country. So, like.

how [clears throat] the hell am I. supposed to trust this government? And. it makes me increasingly. angry to be honest with you when you see. how much of our money, how much of our. earnings goes toward a government that. squanders it. >> I would I would push back on your point. that Kash Patel isn't doing his job. I. think he is. >> Interesting. >> I think that is his job. >> Mhm. >> And that is why he is in there. They put. him in there and they tell him what to. do and it is to look the other way and. to come up with excuses. I think he is. executing his job perfectly.

>> Well, he hasn't been fired yet. So. >> job is being executed perfectly. His job. is to protect the elites and shame on us. for thinking that his job is to make. sure justice is is served and he paid. all that lip service. If I get in there. day one, here's what's going to happen. None of that happened because he went in. there in the same way that Trump went in. there. I don't know who their boss is. I actually think both of them have the. same boss to be being frank. They had both answer to Vegas and Tel. Aviv, but it's clear to me that he is. doing a great job for the people that he.

actually works for. >> Yeah. >> And I obviously have a lot of resentment. particularly for Kash Patel because of. the Charlie Kirk situation. Looking at. what he has done, the fact that he won't. hand over the documents and the theater. of that, the theater of how they came. out and. oh gosh, it makes me so sick. You have. no idea how sick it all makes me to. reflect upon. just the fact that Charlie empowered. these people. Like that it like it makes. me sick. >> Well, I mean, look, I.

So, I started watching I I'd never. watched your show until after he was. assassinated cuz I'm like there there's. something off and she knew him better. than anyone else in the media. So, let. me see what she's got. But, I've got so much going on and it. was hard to follow your like, you know, your investigation because there were so. many moving parts and I got to produce a. show and so I just kind of like dropped. off a little bit. But, what were you saying about Kash Patel's. refusal to handle her documents? I don't.

know about that. >> the trial, I'm obviously on top of it. because they. I I really do think that what they're so. angry about right now, more broadly. speaking, is that we're staying focused. on things. >> Uh-huh. >> We are designed to be an ADHD culture. >> That's true. >> Charlie died yesterday. I forgive him. Okay, everybody move on. We're all good. Well, let's move on. She's moved on. Everyone forget about it. Uh Epstein. files. Oh, who are we talking about the. Epstein files? Okay, good. Let's move. on. Let's move on. Okay, Trump says it's. good and you're MAGA, right? Here's some. red meat. You're MAGA. Trump said it. Land of the king. Yeah.

>> And we're not doing that. We're not. We're not doing that. And with this, I. was like, I am not moving on from this. >> But, the midterms. >> Exactly. We've signed up. We're getting. the documents, obviously. But, the. midterms. And. in this particular case, so they. obviously I sat down with Erica and she. explained to me they were sort of moving. toward this May date or where he he. hasn't even entered into a plea yet, to. be clear. And so, in May, they're. supposed to have this hearing and. there's limited discovery in that in. that time frame because one of the.

questions I asked Erica uh sincerely. was, you're communicating to the public. that you believe they have the right. guy. So, my assumption when she was. saying that to Barry Weiss was that the. obviously she has access to more. information than we have. Like as, you. know, that she's involved in the case, she's listed as a victim on the case. Like she can see stuff that we can't. see. Maybe it's literally a clear video. of Tyler Robinson coming out and. shooting Charlie. Like open to that. And. then when I sat down with her, she was. like, "Oh, no, I haven't I don't have. anything more than the public has. because we're Now, what happens is we. have to move towards this May date and.

the. um SBI, which is the uh. Bureau of Investigations in Utah, is the. state investigations in Utah, they're. going to go find Now, find the all this. evidence that Tyler Robinson did it. And. Tyler Robinson then they present that. Tyler Robinson's team and they then. build their sort of defense leading to. this May date. Well, it turns out that Tyler Robinson's. team files document and says, "We need. to move this date because they we have. been asking for. Kash Patel, who should not even be.

involved in this case, mind you, it's a. state case, to release the information. to us, to give us these documents to his. defense to his defense." So, like. they're like they haven't even given it. to Utah. Forget SBI, they haven't given. it to the SBI, the defense doesn't have. it, and they're like, "How are we going. to have this hearing when they're going. to get up there and essentially put on a. show trial and say, 'Your Honor, look at. these messages.'" Where they're like, "We don't even know if those messages. are real.". >> That's crazy. >> you're you're we're moving towards this. day and all they have is what Kash Patel. told us in the first 48 hours, but they.

will not give them the discovery on. that. They won't give them So, like if I. say, "Anna texted me and said she did. it." And that they want to say that all. blah blah blah, she hasn't even been. able to defense has not even been able. to access Tyler Robinson's phone. They. haven't been able to see the gun, nothing. >> Wow. >> And what's holding that up? >> That is weird. And also, what's up with. the. arbitrary May date, right? >> Yeah, they So, and that was the thing, they fought back immediately cuz they. were like, "We want to make sure that. like we get the discovery that we're. asking for." And the judge was like, "Oh, it'll be fine. Don't worry about. it. By then, in May, if we need to bump. it, we will.".

And they all kind of agreed to that. And. now that May is upon us, um Erica's. team, cuz she's a listed victim, so when. I say Erica's team, I mean literally. she's a victim on this case, is fighting. them. They're like, "No, we want to keep. the May date." And I'm like, why would. you want to keep the May date? And I. instantly alerted the public to that. I'm like, they are not giving them They. have no We have no idea of these shady. messages. Did. Kash Patel. uh after a few beers type them up? We. don't know. We can't say no. >> That's so weird. You know, what So, when. it comes to Erika's behavior, like I.

will admit like some of her behavior is. odd, right? And off-putting. And. I try to give people the benefit of the. doubt and I wonder if, you know, her. insistence that it's Taylor Robinson and. nothing else is shady and like we need. to pursue this prosecution. It's. definitely him. I wonder if it's. because, you know, when a family member. of yours gets murdered or killed or. harmed in some way, usually the family members want closure. so badly that they as soon as there's a. suspect, they want that suspect to be.

the guilty one and they just go for it. full force and maybe that's what's. informing her decisions to kind of. pursue it the way that she's pursuing. it. I don't know, but I will say this. I actually I don't know how I would. behave to be honest. Like I just think. about how much I love my husband and. I I I don't think anyone would see me. for a few years. Like I just would not. be able to go public. I wouldn't be able. to have the strength to even talk in. public about anything. And so, that.

stood out to me about her, but also. she's a different person than me. So, I. I just people people do grieve. differently. I just know that the case. itself has a few elements to it that. raise some eyebrows. Everyone in the media that's critical of. you is like so vociferous that it kind. of gave me. the idea that like the general public. isn't with you until I told um female. family members of mine that I'm doing. your show and they're like, "Oh my god, I love Candace. I watch her every day.".

And I'm like, "Really? You're not mad at. her because of the whole Erika thing?". They're like, "No. No." And I'm like, "Really?" Like I couldn't believe it. So. >> Yeah. >> clearly what you're seeing is something. and I mean the number is in your show. Like it's very. highly viewed. Okay, [laughter] so. obviously the people agree with you that. there's something off and I agree with. you that there's something off. I just. don't know what it is. >> Yeah, and I think that what you're. describing in. is the process that we all went through. because you don't want to even. go down that route. You're like, "Maybe.

it's this. Maybe in my head I was like, maybe she's being blackmailed. Maybe. she's scared they're going to kill her. Maybe like like you said she just wants. a a quick conclusion to all of this. Maybe she's still in shell shock and is. actually not controlling anything at. Turning Point." was my initial suspicion. and just on paper she's CEO but she's. actually just home crying every day and. like behind the scenes like you know. tell her Justin. >> That's what I thought. >> For me, I never wanted to arrive at. Erica being suspicious. I didn't I. abstained from the like "Oh, she's.

wearing hot pants with JD bets." I don't. know if any of that matters to me. because I don't think people understand. I needed it as a part of my grieving. process not to accept that plausibility. because then for me beyond just having. lost Charlie and having to wake up to. that then I had to wake up to the idea. that Trump betrayed him in a way and. Cash Patel everyone is betraying him in. not wanting seeking more investigation. What I I had to go through to pursue.

that from it was I had to grieve again, right? Because I knew how much Charlie. wanted love. >> Like I have these messages. Like I was. helping Charlie. draft text messages and what should I. say? So. I had to. grieve again. >> Mhm. >> And go, "Okay, I need to like really. just follow the facts here." and that's. all I've done and. um it's landed me at she's remarkably. suspicious not because of the way she. dresses, not because of whether or not. she's crying enough. All of that kind of. paints a picture that makes people. uncomfortable. but.

just objective lies. Objective lies that. I can't comprehend. Why would you lie. and tell the public that and I think for. me the most explosive one that no one. wants to. address by calling me a monster, why. would you lie and say that the surgeon. told you or told Andrew that he had a. Superman neck and all this up that. objectively did not come from the. surgeon. It came from Erica and why. would you lie and tell me that Andrew. went rogue and sent that message when. you did it with him. I can't I can't. make sense of that. Um.

a source, you know, a source and I trust the. source. and obviously that's a strong statement. to make and so when Erica first said to. me I also didn't believe her, right? So. when she said, oh I said what's a. Superman neck and she said, oh well, you. know, Andrew went rogue and then I said, the surgeon went rogue though and talked. to cuz the surgeon violated HIPAA and. Andrew went rogue and beyond having the. conversation Andrew then tweeted without. your permission. Like that's a lot to. have had to happen. I don't believe that. the surgeon violated HIPAA and spoke to. Andrew without your permission and I. said that to her face. I said, it's a.

tough one for me but okay and then I got. the information that no, Erica actually. called the surgeon. It's a three-way. call and she wanted to know what to tell. the public about why the bullet didn't. go through and that Superman neck thing. came from her. So and yet the public was. told from Andrew's tweet. So I'm like I. can't somebody just defend it. Somebody. just tell me why that shouldn't. completely unnerve me. Donors, the another huge one where like. these are my two biggest things. Donors.

saying that that video that or or hasn't. existed yet, the AI alleged AI of. Charlie saying I appoint Erica to be the. CEO. Erica told me that he said that at. an Aspen event. I was like, okay, great. Well, the Aspen people who were at the. event said that never happened. These. are the Turning Point USA donors who. have contacted me and said, Candace, that is AI. He did not say that. What? Now they have alleged that they have the. video of that. Why do they only play the. audio? And then when I said, "Hey guys, um this. is not normal. It doesn't actually.

really sound like Charlie. The The. cadence is somewhat off." And I said, "Okay, so just drop the video so that we. can all put this to bed." Not only that, people at Turning Point told me that he. never said that at this event, okay? So, what am I left to do? I. You guys mentioned this to the public. You said that Charlie, 2 weeks before, I. guess had done a a complete 180 on his. entire life's perspective that women. should stay home and raise the children. and not be CEOs. And suddenly he was. like, "You know what? Actually, not only. should women do it, but single women. should do it. Widows should do it. And.

the kids should just be raised by the. nanny and they they should work 80-hour. weeks.". >> That does seem uncharacteristic of. Charlie Kirk. >> uncharacteristic of everything he's ever. said. >> In fact, one of the last conversations I. had with him was at the Democratic. National Convention and um look, I. always appreciated the fact that he was. down to debate, right? And that he. didn't ever let it get dirty. Like And. so I I I appreciated that. And so we. started debating about the role of women. and he basically said Cuz I don't have. children. I'm I don't plan on having. children. It's just a decision that me.

and my husband made together. And. honestly, I don't think that I have the. right temperament to be a mom in today's. society because I will definitely kill. people if they come anywhere Like what. they're doing to my husband right now, if they tried to like harm my kids, >> prison. >> I Yeah, I would be. >> make myself at home. >> 100%. I don't give a damn. That's how I. am. >> I'm like fiercely loyal and defensive of. my family. Um but anyway, um he told me, "Well, you know, if you. don't have kids, you don't really have a. stake in the future of this country.". And I just remember being very offended.

by that because I love this country so. much and I definitely do have a stake in. the future. Like I have young, you know, nieces and nephews that I love to death, but even if I didn't, I love the people. of this country. Like I want it to. succeed and so. And so in that conversation, he like. really reiterated what he believes the. role of women should be. So then, after. he gets assassinated and. you don't really question it at first. because you don't want to be that guy or. that person who's just like, I don't. know, that sounds a little shady and. weird.

And you go along to get along. It's a. good example of a story where you go. along to get along. But yeah, there was. this feeling within me where it's like, well, maybe he was willing to go against. his beliefs or his values because he. wants to make sure that the business. falls in the hands of a family member, right? Maybe that's why. But I just I do. find it strange. I do. >> But it goes against common sense cuz not. only the the story we're being told is. like specifically he said if anything. ever happens to me, meaning like if I. get killed, I want my wife to be the.

next person that gets into the line of. fire while my kids are at home. Like. what? Like no. >> Yeah, that's a good point. >> Actually, your instinct is then no, shut. this down. You go and move and stay away. from politics forever and protect our. children. So it defies common sense and. I know what Charlie's perspectives were. obviously, the life that he wanted and. what he said every time anybody asked. him on his podcast. I mean, we have a. decade of Charlie saying what he what. his perspective perspective was on how. women should stay home and there's no. value in becoming a CEO. And then. suddenly it's whiplash and we're told.

actually right before he died he just. had this amazing 180 that nobody it was. a you know, a private donor event and. now the donors are saying it didn't. happen and that that is AI. Okay? That's. a very big claim that I am making, right? And I'm not making that claim by. the way, the donors are and they're. contacting me and saying this never. happened because they couldn't believe. it cuz they said they were watching my. podcast and when they had heard it. initially when Erica told the story to. Megyn Kelly, they thought oh, it must. have been at the Hamptons or whatever it. was. And then when I said it was Aspen, they were shocked.

>> Wow. >> absolutely did not happen. So if I'm. lying about that, wouldn't you if you're. Andrew Kolb that instantly say, oh, here's the video Candace. Like I don't. know, maybe the donor forgot, but here. it is. And now we're suddenly going, why. didn't they drop the video? >> Yeah. >> Like they. >> her walk out to the audio. That would. have been a very powerful. Could you. imagine? >> Yeah. >> You have a video of Charlie on stage at. an event and he says like I want Erica. Kirk. I appoint Erica Kirk to be the. CEO. >> Right. >> Like people would have had not had a dry. eye in the place. We would have had I. think it would have like even more made.

people rally around her and said like. okay I don't love it but like it is it. was like Charlie's dying wish. >> Yeah. >> And instead Blake and Jeff says we're. never dropping the video. >> weird. >> It's it's bonkers and so I have there. are are real things that are compelling. me to continue this pursuit. I'm not. interested in the vanity of like you. know her outfits or her makeup and. >> you're under. tremendous fire right now. I mean it's I. can't even imagine like people in the. media are really going at it like just.

trying to you know. attack you for being cruel and when you. know going after Erica and like I do. think that they put words in your mouth. sometimes and say things that you didn't. actually say but you know. the other thing that. I mean look, you tend to provide. receipts when you have them, right? And. so everyone was denying what you were. saying about the very real pressure. campaign that Charlie was undergoing. and when you release those text. messages, I was like oh my gosh. Like.

this is this is a big deal and I'm not. saying that it's definitive that there's. like a connection to his assassination. but just knowing what he was going. through personally behind the scenes in. the months leading up to his. assassination is um. information that maybe the FBI should be. pursuing, no? >> Or if you if you are the wife of Charlie. Kirk. >> Mhm. >> um. wouldn't heads be rolling? Like what I I. the last people.

that would ever have a platform at. Turning Point USA if I was at the helm. of it were the people who stressed him. out, who pressured him, who. >> go to war with Josh Hammer. Okay, if. that were my husband and Josh Hammer was. lying about what my husband actually. believed, I would be at war with him. till this day. >> Immediate partnership with all of all of. his enemies. >> It's crazy. >> Yeah, that kind of stuff is weird. I. can't make sense of that. Everybody. knows Ben and Charlie hate each other. Like it's it's like it's just a known. thing in politics. Like they just never. got along. And then he's opening and I.

mean it doesn't make sense to me. Setting aside my personal feelings for. Ben, which were always in line with. Charlie's because of how he behaves. behind the scenes, how do you explain that? >> Yeah. >> Like he comes in with a million dollar. check, sits in a chair, and then just. says that Okay, it's like that doesn't. make sense to the public because a. normal reaction to a loved one is. everybody who caused them grief, who put. pressure on their donors, who. How about me having to be the one to. tell people. that he the night before texted and said.

that he thought they were going to kill. him. And not only that, but she. explicitly denied that on Glenn Beck. until I clocked it and said, "Well, Andrew Kolodny told me that he was one. of the ones that received it." And then. it became the story about, "Oh, maybe it. was in Telegram. Dan Flood received a. message as well. It wasn't on Telegram. It was on iMessage. So, who who deleted. it? Or were you lying? Or did somebody. delete it? Okay, I want to give you the. benefit of the doubt. Maybe someone took. his phone in between and deleted all. that.". I don't even know why you have his. phone, actually. I feel like that should. be in evidence. But.

it's it becomes increasingly hard that. no one is attacking the substance of. what I'm presenting. They're just saying. like, "How dare you? How dare you keep. telling the truth about what Charlie was. going through? How dare you present to. the public that he did not die a. Judeo-Christian, and that he was angry. with how he was being treated?". >> Well, there was one other thing that I. thought was interesting, right? The audio of Tyler Robinson's. grandfather. Remember, Tyler Robinson allegedly was.

like turned in by his family. It's like. family knew he was guilty, and they No, it turns out his grandfather, whose. weapon he allegedly used, right, to. carry out the assassination, was there. at the trial. defending his grandson. But, we were all. led to believe that the family, you. know, knew that Charlie Robinson is. guilty and. are not supporting him in this process. >> Everything has been a lie and I've I've. told the public that. I'm like, you when. this case gets going, you're going to. see that everything's a lie. And so, we. are left asking the question is why are.

they lying? And I I'm sorry that we're. rational thinkers and we are seeing how. >> I don't trust my government. Like, it's. it's that simple. I just don't trust the. government. That's where we're at. So, I I feel like anyone who doesn't have a. healthy dose of skepticism. needs to get some, okay? Because. >> BB's radical denials when no one was. pointing the finger at him was also kind. of just like weird. >> Yeah. >> I didn't kill Charlie Kirk. I didn't I. didn't I didn't I didn't kill Charlie. Kirk. Why why are you saying that right. now? >> That was pretty wild. First of all, why.

was he on a US media tour on the day. that he got assassinated? >> Mhm. >> I like I don't care what Netanyahu. thinks about anything that happens in. our country at all. He should be in. prison for the rest of his life uh as a. war criminal because that's what he is. Why are we hosting him on media shows. here in the US to chime in on Charlie. Kirk's assassination? >> It's. bonkers. >> It's so crazy. Like, I thought that was. strange on day one. >> All right, you guys, do you owe back. taxes or maybe you have years of unfiled.

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I have resisted. uh. but like allowing myself to believe that. there's like a wider conspiracy because. you just don't want to believe it. But, I will say this, uh nothing adds. up. Like, this whole situation doesn't. add up. And I do find it very strange. that the person who wants to ask. questions and look, you might pursue. threads that don't go anywhere, and I. think people have a problem with that, right? They feel like, "Oh, you're. incriminating individuals who are. innocent." Like, that's the big argument. I hear against [clears throat] you. But I don't think you'd be pursuing this.

if you felt like there was an adequate. investigation being done. And I myself. agree with you that there isn't an. adequate investigation being done. >> And he went toe-to-toe with Bibi and he. won over the Iran war. And I think that. people have to understand that. We're. sitting here talking about how he feels. nothing as he mass murders children. The. way that he lies is also there's. something so psychopathic about it when. he just gets on and pretends he's. perpetually the victim and. he's just killing people all day every. day. He's a homicidal. >> I know. >> who was supported by the halls of. Congress, who gets a standing ovation.

when he walks into Congress. >> It's disgusting. >> So if that's possible, if it's plausible. for these people not to want to spit in. his direction when he walks by them, uh. then we have to imagine that would you. think he'd have an issue like. doing something to Charlie Kirk? What he. he means nothing to these And I'm not. saying that we have evidence that Bibi. Netanyahu did, >> Mhm. >> but I am saying that the way in which he. reacted and me knowing how they wanted. this war so badly and that Charlie at. first stood in the way of it, literally, like debated and got Trump not to do.

anything more than that limited a. military operation um when they when. they bombed Fordow. >> Mhm. >> and the other was in Natanz, the other. nuclear sites, and Bibi was pissed. And. then we fast forward, Charlie's out of. the way, and what are we doing? Everything Bibi wanted to be done. So. it's hard for us not to just piece. together a comprehensive story here. >> I mean, it is wild that the chief of. staff, Susie Wiles, worked on Benjamin. Netanyahu's 2020 re-election campaign. She is the gatekeeper to the president. of the United States. >> Mhm. >> Uh.

what was that guy's name? Uh former. Trump administration official who's now. like running like a propaganda. arm of the Israeli government as we. speak. Uh. Not Corey Lewandowski. Um he worked on. He got arrested once for like a domestic. case, and now he's like working for the. Israeli government doing propaganda. >> no idea. >> Yeah, I. Parscale. >> Brad Parscale. I do I do know what. you're talking about. That's like Clock. Tower Media. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mhm.

>> Mhm. Mhm. So, it's. you see these connections, and those. connections are proven. This is not a. conspiracy. They're just proven, and. they kind of like rub it in our faces, and it's just like. okay, well, you can't be upset when. people don't trust the government. because of all this foreign influence, and when. people keep getting hurt, and there are. these like weird. what appears to be sham investigations. I mean, another example is. Donald Trump, one thing that I think. everyone can agree on, regardless of. where you fall on the political.

spectrum, is that Trump is unable. to let a grudge go. He will hold a. grudge for the rest of his life. But, when it comes to his would-be. assassins, we never hear him say a damn. word about it. Strange. So strange. >> A lot of people now are kind of. revisiting Butler and starting to talk. about what happened there or what didn't. happen thereafter, and it is. I I don't know. I I And that's a scary. thing for me because I was so invested, and oh my goodness, you know, Trump was.

saved. There must be a broader reason. for that. >> Mhm. >> And. I have checked myself a thousand times. since the since the Charlie. investigation. I've realized what real. evil we're up against, and this kind of. gets into what you're saying about how. you were atheist for a long time, but. now you're realizing this is bigger. >> There Yeah, I mean. >> versus evil. Like, these demons versus. angels. >> I mean, I I definitely think that over. the last two and a half years, I've been.

able to identify the existence of evil. that I didn't think existed, and. that. pushed me a little closer to my roots. because I grew up Christian. I I wouldn't say that I'm like a. full-blown Christian again, but I'm now. realizing that there's. I've had some experiences too, which I I. haven't really talked about too much. publicly. Um mostly because after, you. know, Tucker Carlson talked about his. supernatural experience, people dunked. on him, including myself, and I'm very. embarrassed about that. Um mine wasn't.

like, "Oh, I got, you know, attacked by. demons." Mine was actually a very. positive experience. And it made me very close to humanity. Like understanding and and it. appreciating people's humanity first and. foremost before seeing them as nothing. more than like a political figure or a. political ideology. You know, I think that we've been, going. back to brainwashing, I think a lot of. us have been brainwashed by our. political system into dehumanizing. people who disagree with us.

Without realizing that like the only way. we come up with solutions in this. country in a democracy is if we. encourage conversation between. Americans regardless of what they. believe politically. Um it tends to have a more. moderating effect as well, right? And. you get a better sense of who your. fellow Americans are as opposed to. having people in positions of power tell. you who your fellow Americans are and. scare you about the other side and all. of that. And so.

I just feel like there's something. bigger than us and it's hard to explain. I'm not really big into religious. doctrine per se, but I'm I definitely. don't think I'm an atheist anymore. >> Right. >> Yeah, this is the first time I've said. that publicly. >> Which is amazing. I mean, I think. it it's something's on the move and I. keep saying that. It's It feels like. there are so many people that are having. that sort of a spiritual awakening, if. that's what you want to call it, and. recognizing, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, what is. happening is so evil that it is. ancient." This There's something ancient. about what's happening right now. And.

the answers are not going to be in these. fickle day-by-day discussions, and we. need to What What actually has been. happening since the beginning of time. And when you For me, that was kind of. the most natural thing where I was like, "Wow, this is like way deeper than I. ever imagined." And it is, you're right, it's something happens that is so, it's. like evil by biblical proportions. Right? It's like biblical, this can't. be, you can't be, we can't be the same. species if you're okay with what they're. doing. Like there's something so much. deeper. What is motivating you to be. okay with the genocide? I need to figure.

this out and I have been in that. pursuit, I think, uh, heavily since, definitively since, obviously, my firing. and me not comprehending everything. And. I feel it has put me, it has driven me. even more. Like I'm like, "Okay, I get. this now. This is. >> Yeah. And I love that you're willing to. have people like, you know, Norm. Finkelstein on, Bassem Youssef. Like. those are some of my favorite episodes. of yours. I watched it and I Bassem. Youssef got a little, I'm sure I'm going. to get a lot of heat, too. Oh, you're.

talking to Candace Owens, whatever. He. got a little bit of heat on that. And. I'm I'm so happy to see that he pushed. back. He's like, "Okay, you don't like. Candace, who cares?". >> Yeah. >> Get over it. >> We need more of that. Like we we have to. like take this thing out of it because. we're fighting real evil. And so we. just, I just really want to say that. Like if you think you hate someone on. the left, like. does is that person, like my, I think my. litmus test is like Gaza. Like you know. my litmus test has somehow become Gaza. where I'm like. >> Someone. else finally said it. Same. Same Same It's funny because.

I went through at least a year and a. half being like deeply, deeply bitter. toward the left because of how they. reacted toward me when I started to like. moderate literally on like two issues. Um, the way we were handling crime. policy and and by the way, I don't want. to go back to like tough on crime, throw. everyone in prison. I was just like, "Hey, I live in California. We need to. just calibrate a little bit because this. isn't working out." Um, and then there. was one other issue. I can't remember. what it is at the moment, but they like.

threw me away and like long-time friends. of mine like just started putting out. like negative content about me and it. like that happened in Gaza, I have a. pretty strict policy right now. You are against what's happening in. Gaza, that means to your core you're a. good person. So who cares what you did. to me? I'm not attacking you. I consider. you a good person and so you're on my. side. Even if we have these little. squabbles and these disagreements, who. cares? If you care about making this. country better and you're willing to.

sacrifice, you know, your the purity of. your political brand or whatever to work. with people that you might have other. disagreements with. I love you. I want to work with you. You're a good person. I just I don't. want to waste any of my time anymore. with these like nonsense little. squabbles when like our country is under. attack. Okay, our government doesn't. represent us. Money money interest. control us. Foreign influence is out of. control. We have problems that are way. bigger than like I don't know what you.

think about. Yeah, even crime policy, right? Like. okay, you don't agree with me on crime. policy, it's fine. Whatever. Doesn't. mean you're a bad person. And you can. attack me if you want, but I just. The reason why I don't want to attack. back at this point is because it's not. important in the grand scheme of things. >> Yeah. You are absolutely right. Okay, so. I want to ask you in closing what are. your predictions for I would say this. this just this next year cuz I I go back. to that something feels very fragile. right now. Everyone's lashing out. They.

seem like they've lost control. Trump like he's really completely lost. his support. He doesn't want to. acknowledge it. They're kind of keeping. him in a cave of Fox News every day. telling him he's amazing. Also fake news. CNN says 100% I have 110% support. What are your predictions? What do you. feel toward him and. where we're at right now as a nation? >> So. There have been a lot of liberals who. were worried that Trump, if he gets. reelected as he did, he he's never going.

to leave the White House. I'm not. worried about that at all. Um I think. that. in order to do a literal coup, you would. need popular support among your base, and he's losing that support um big. time. I think the popularity of Tucker Carlson. gives me a look into what the. conservative movement is evolving. toward. At least I'm hoping that's the case. because. he's very much conservative. Don't get. me wrong. I mean, like he's still you. know, anti-abortion, you know, all the.

conservative values that have existed. when it comes to social issues. But, he woke up to the neocons. He woke. up to the big game that's being played. with our money, our resources, with our. reputations as Americans. And he's speaking out against it, and. he's taking a huge risk, and guess what? Um he's got a lot of support. Not just. from conservatives, but also I'm noticing, you know, the biggest voting block now.

are independents. And he has a lot of. support among independents as well. I'm. even seeing some hardcore lefties like. reluctantly admit like Tucker's right. about this, you know. And And I love it. I love that. Be honest with yourself. Who cares about the labels? What are. your values? And stick to those values. And if you do that, you have to give. Tucker Carlson credit. for being as vociferous as he's been. against Israel's influence on the United. States, what's been going down in the. Middle East, how much we have lost in.

blood and treasure when it came to. forever wars that were fought on behalf. of Israel in the past. And by the way, this is not I want to be clear. This is. not a partisan thing. Like this foreign. policy is very much bipartisan. Under. Obama, and a lot of people don't know. this, uh we wanted to assist Israel in turning. Syria into a failed state. And uh we. certainly succeeded in that mission. So, under Obama, we started arming literal. terrorists, including like Al-Qaeda. offshoots. >> Al-Nusra. >> Yes, Al-Nusra, exactly.

How How the hell could anyone defend. that? It's so wrong. And so, we need. people who are awake to how much this. puts Americans at a disadvantage, how. evil and immoral all this behavior has. been. I hate the way that people across the. globe perceive us. You know, Iran. their propaganda has been very. effective. >> It's fantastic. >> Yeah, their propaganda videos are. amazing. And the one that they put out. recently where they're speaking directly. to the American people and telling us.

like. we actually love you guys. We have no. problem with you guys. We know it's your. government and that they're not. representing what you want. >> It was a sigh of It was a sigh of relief. cuz I'm like, "Please do not grow up and. think that we support this geriatric, pedophile defending, like Epstein class. of psychopaths. And we don't want this. We do not want this war. We want to go. about our day, have low gas prices, be. able to afford groceries." And when they. put that out, that message, it was like. they are plugged in. >> Yeah, they are.

>> They're plugged into how the American. people feel. So, Trump does not. comprehend that. He is completely. removed from it. And now you have Iran, and they have pretty much done. everything the right way. We're trying. to negotiate. We're killing people while. we're negotiating. Crazy. >> It is crazy. >> Crazy what we did. And Americans are. awake to that. >> They are. >> So. >> me hope. So, my my prediction for the. future is um I don't think the political. landscape is going to look anything like. it has uh over the last, I don't know, 25 years. I think um things are.

changing. I think Americans are uniting. on issues that matter the most. And that. gives me hope. So, as negative as all. the issues we've been talking about are, fact of the matter is, we are kind of. moving in a better direction. The at. least the people of this country are. And we need to find a way. We need to. start strategizing on how to change the. political class entirely. All of them, okay? And the Chuck Schumers on the on. the Democratic side, they got to go. They got to go.

>> Totally agree. >> Yeah. >> Well, you guys, it has been an absolute. honor to host Ana Kasparian. I am sure. there will be backlash. Actually, not. for me. My audience is very split now. >> Really? >> Yeah, I'm not like. >> I know, but like the females in my. family who are watching you, I was like. I was pretty shocked. >> Yeah, you know, cuz I just hate. everybody. Like I don't like the way. they talk. I don't like the way they. look. >> to Lilly Rodriguez Rodriguez. Yeah, I. have just not I just don't care anymore. I we have to do more of this. It is the. only way we're going to save this. country against the Epstein class. And. so if you're anti pedophiles, if you are.

against what is going on in Gaza, then. we really are actually on the right. side. We're on the same side. Not the. right side, I should say the same side. The same side. Thank you guys so much. We'll see you next time. >> [music].