Ben Shapiro Is Crying Again. | Candace Ep 261

Okay, 911. I want to report a blood liel. Blood  liel. I've suffered a centuries old antilack. trope. That's how this works, right? Like if  you're in the pro-Israel lobby and you deal with. any sort of push back or flack, you got to fall to  the ground and cry victim. Well, it's my turn now, you guys, because yesterday Ben Shapiro, who  was invited as a guest to join Megan Kelly on. her tour, he pretty much just goes mask down and  it's obviously hilarious. He just lies. It's so.

weird. He just has nothing. So, he lies and tries  to pressure Megan to respond to the lies. All I. can say is the pro-Israel lobby is down real  bad. They are writing fanfiction. They're like, it's like BBNet and Yahoo fanfiction. And on  that note, I sat down with a woman on CNN and. it went about as bad as you might have expected.  Fantastic clips that are making the round. So, let's jump right back into this. Happy  Friday and welcome back to Candace.

[Music]. I don't know what to say other than it was  the purest form of antilackism that I've ever. experienced. I mean, it's obvious to me that Ben  Ben Shapiro is manifestally insane. Last night, he was gripping the microphone as he would the  neck of a black woman. I'm kidding. Obviously,

those are not my quotes. Those are actually  direct quotations from Ben Shapiro himself when. he accuses others of anti-semitism. Whenever he  hears anything that he doesn't like about Israel, th those are actually his words. This is a real  life tweet from Ben Shapiro accusing any American. Jew who is pro-Israel of being Israel first  is a pure for form of anti-semitism. That was. directed at Nick Fuentes, which we'll uh circle  back to. Also, this was a real tweet directed at.

Ron Paul. Ron Paul is manifestally insane. As in  previous debates, he is now gripping the pen as he. would the neck of a Jew. Ron Paul. Really? And  this is another tweet. Perry had the memorable. moments of the evening. Had had the memorable  moments of the evening. Evening other than Ron. Paul's corpse leaning forward from the grave and  strangling the Jews. I don't know what's going on, man. I don't know what to say other than Ben is a  funny guy. He is. He's never trying to be funny.

He just is funny when he's being serious and  he's being seriously angry about a topic. It's. just something that I enjoy to watch. And last  night he got on stage with Megan Kelly. They had. she had a tour stop in Florida. And I want to say  I was kind of impressed with Ben because instead. of doing his usual thing where he sends others to  do his dirty work so he can keep his hands clean, he was like, I'm going to peer pressure Megan  Kelly myself. I'm going to make her disavow.

me. Make her disavow Candace Owens. I'm going to  make her disavow Tucker Carlson by putting her. on the spot and asking her to respond to things  that Tucker Carlson never did and Candace Owens. never did or said. And it's you really get  to see it masked down because you saw this. narrative circulating amongst people who were just  absurdly making claims that I attacked Erica. And. I know what these organic movements look like.  I know how they operate behind the scenes. And.

I know Ben plays a part in this. And so it was  actually quite refreshing for me to be like, "Ah, now everyone gets to see what you are because  you're saying stuff that never happened." So. we'll start with what he said about Tucker  Carlson. You should know Ben has a real thing. for Tucker Carlson. I don't understand it. It  is just I don't know. It's It's been going on. for a long time. There's something about Tucker  Carlson that gets under his skin. I'm not clear. on it. I would actually love to hear Ben speak  about that. I mean, people at the Daily Wire. when they're leaving the Daily Wire have to sign  agreements that they're not going to go work for.

Tucker Carlson for 6 months. It's It's strange.  Anyways, he jumps into this explaining his upset. that like Tucker left him on Red. I don't know.  Tucker and him had a nice conversation on the. day that Charlie Kirk died and Tucker then sent a  nice text because Ben had called him and I guess. Ben thought there would be more of a follow-up and  there wasn't. So, here is Ben complaining about. that and then spinning it into uh the accusation  that Tucker Carlson somehow supports mom Donnie.

I don't know. Take a listen. So, I texted him  and I said, "Thanks so much for calling. It. means the world. It truly does. Should we do  a show together talking about the DSA threat, Democratic Socialist America threat, and orienting  in the same direction? Happy to do whatever it. takes to bring everyone back together for the  fight that matters? And Tucker then wrote back, "Thanks, man. I appreciate it. I'm going to  spend the next week or two thinking about how. to be most effective. The country is clearly on  the brink." I reached out repeatedly. After that, nothing happened. Um, and again, I I thought it  was a good idea at the time. I I I I think I felt.

differently after I saw what he did with with Nick  Fuentes and after he proceeded in my opinion to. spend the subsequent weeks doing literally nothing  to fight the left. I again I say this with sadness. because Tucker used to be I think a a deeply  important part of the conservative push to win. The number of times that Tucker Carlson has  mentioned Zoran Mamani since October 5th on. his show is once. And it was in the context of  Marjgerie Taylor Green and Tucker Carlson talking.

about the appeal of Zoran Mamani. Just by way of  contrast, not because I'm a perfect representative. here, but because you've talked about Zor Mandani  a lot. A lot of us have. Since October 5th, I did 17 separate shows on Zora Mamani, including  four in the last week before the election. Okay? Because when you're orienting against the left,  you really should orient against the left. So, this just makes no sense. It makes entirely no  sense. He's upset because I guess Tucker doesn't.

want to do a show with him in the future. A lot  of stuff goes on in the background that you guys. don't understand. So, okay, that's on Tucker.  If Tucker doesn't want to collab with Ben, that's on him. Also, it's Tucker's platform.  So, what it means when you have your own show, which I don't know why the shocks been, you can  talk about whatever you want. If Tucker wants to. do six months and he just wants to cover sports,  it's his prerogative and people can tune in or. they can tune out. That's what the free markets  mean. The free markets does not mean that the. very same people who tried to uh artificially  push Tucker out of the markets, the same people.

that applauded him being fired, the same people  that have called him an anti-semite then get to. dictate what he speaks about on his show. Like  that that actually just makes entirely no sense. It's not Tucker's responsibility. Tucker's  not doesn't live in New York City. not his. responsibility to use his platform to speak about  Mandani 17 times. It's very strange. But to the. insinuation that Tucker somehow supported Mandani  and said like nice things about him when he sat. down with Marjgerie Taylor Green, here's actually  what Tucker said with Marjorie Taylor Green. And.

you be the judge of whether you think Ben is  being an honest person when he describes it. in the manner that he just did. Take a listen to  Tucker. It's interesting. You said a second ago. that um when people are really frustrated when  they're the system they live under fails them, they listen to voices that they shouldn't  listen to or wouldn't listen to under any. other circumstance. Like how did Al Sharpton get  to be the leader of black America or whatever. I mean, it's like just it's a thing. Desperate  people tend to go to crappy leaders, I think.

And I just can't get over what happened in our  biggest city this week, the very same week, that everybody in DC is focused thousands of  miles away on the greatest threat we face, Iran's nuclear program. I don't want Iran to have  the bomb. I'm not pro Iran. Obviously, we're not. pro Iran. Yeah. Like, why do we have to say it?  It's done. But at the same time that everybody was. looking to Iran, our largest city had a Democratic  primary, effectively the mayor's race. and a like. 32-year-old socialist who wants governmentr run  grocery stores gets gets elected. He's going to.

likely run our biggest city. Yeah. In the in  the country, right? New York. And it's like, why did that happen? Is it because people are so  like desperate for government run grocery stores. or love socialism or love like foreignb born midws  running their cities? Probably not. Mm-m. That guy. was the only person in the New York City mayor's  debate to say he wanted to focus on New York City. They were all the candidates were asked, "If  you could visit a foreign country, what would.

it be?" And they of course all had an answer.  I think most said Israel. Great. And he said, "I wouldn't go anywhere. I'd stay in New York."  And like if I want to meet Jewish constituents, I go to their synagogues, their homes or whatever.  But I'd be here in New York because that's what. I'm doing. I'm running New York. That's my job.  Well, he gave the right answer. He gave the right. answer. He gave the right answer at least. And  he's talking I totally oppose his program just. absolutely I don't think it works but um he's  talking about economics. Yep. And everyone else. is talking about foreign policy. So he said what  I said. I'm describing to you why Manny won. And.

you're angry that people are assessing why that  happened. It doesn't matter how many times you. call somebody an anti-semite. People appreciated.  It's very obvious the fact that he was not focused. on foreign policy issues when there's so many  domestic ones to prove from. You got to learn why. you lose elections and it's not Tucker's job to  get people elected, least of all in cities that he. doesn't live in. Now, I want to also show you what  Ben said about me because it's it's so outrageous.

and it's so dishonest that you we actually  should process what is happening here. Okay, this is a watershed moment. Ben does not have it  together. He is very insecure and he's going on. the attack against Megan Kelly by lying about what  I said and then forcing her to react to the evil. of what I never said. Here's what Ben said. We're  in a business where people comment on on what we. say publicly. The, you know, again, this is why,  you know, I think you and I differ on our angle.

with regard to, for example, Candace Owens. I  think that what Candace Owens is doing right. now is evil. It is evil what she is doing right  now. Okay? Okay. And I say that again, but what. what I I didn't know pine on whether it's evil or  not, but my my position is it's really none of my. business. And why is it But I have a question.  Why is it none of your business? I mean, you. you you comment on these things for a living. I'm  not mother of the internet. No, but if this were. on the left and somebody were accusing Charlie  Kirk of of his wife having murdered him, I assume.

that you would be talking about it. Is that what  Candace is accusing Erica of? Yes. Of murdering. her own husband. She's She's accusing TPUSA  insiders and other members of the right-wing, including Seth Dylan, of being involved in the  murder of Charlie Kirk. Yes. It's just a It's I. don't even know how to respond to it because  it just never happened. It's so crazy. It's. so He's not even anywhere near what's happened.  Anybody who's watched this show, I actually was. getting flack from my audience for not covering  Erica's past or speaking about her parents.

I said she gave one of the most consequential  speeches and I have focused my investigation on. Turning Point USA and why they're telling certain  lies. Seth Dylan, I told the truth that Seth Dylan. lied about the Hampton's meeting and that he was  pushing uh he was pressuring Charlie about the. topic of Israel. I never once accused Seth Dylan  of murdering Charlie Kirk. So, what's he actually. doing here? Right. Obviously, there's a lot of  layers that we should peel back and it's important.

that we do it. The least interesting part of this  is the fact that he's lying through his teeth. That's implied he's a Zionist, but there's a lot  more that's happening that meets the eye because. Ben Shapiro was effectively the final boss of the  pro-Israel lobby. And it's because he never comes. out and says what he means. He's kind of like  more of a behind-the-scenes person. and we're now. watching him come undone in real time because no  matter who you are in this age of digital media, it is simply not a good idea to lie through your  teeth. Okay, wrong time, 2025. Before you get the.

lie out, the internet is going to clock it, right?  They're going to go back and be like, "You lied.". And when you do something like that, the blowback  is going to be on you. They're going to go, "Actually, this now impacts your credibility.  You said that Candace went out and said something. about Erica." By the way, you hear the people in  the background going, "Woo!" I'm going to tell you. what's happening there, too, and you're going to  see how this thing really works. Point number one. that I want to make about how why or what Ben is  doing right here is just the stunning hypocrisy of. it. Okay, the rules for thee and not for me. I am  getting old. My memor is getting a little fuzzy,

but I distinctly remember the week that I was  gloriously fired from the Daily Wire. And during. that week, the CEO of the Daily Wire, at the time  it was Jeremy Boring, jumped onto an Xspace hosted. by Lauren Chen and had a conversation with Nick  Fuentes where he sang Nick Fuentes's praises and. also invited him onto the Daily Wire. Okay, here's  a headline because the Huffington Post remembers.

too. Daily Wire CEO tells white supremacist Nick  Fuentes that he's talented and he's very funny. The article goes on, "During a live streamed  conversation with white supremacist Nick Fuentes. last week, the CEO of the Daily Wire, a major  right-wing media outlet, praised the prominent. fascist influencer and offered only mild criticism  about some of his political views, a stark. difference from how he has spoken about Fuentes in  the past. On March 25th, the Daily Wire CEO Jeremy.

Boring joined Fuentes on X uh for a live audio  chat room. Boring told Fuentes that he listens. to Fuentes's show quite often and that he thinks  Fuentes is quote unquote very funny and one of the. most talented political influencers, even if he  is very concerned about some of what Fuentes says. Later in the discussion, Boring said that he'd  be thrilled to have Fuentes on one of the Daily. Wires shows to debate the media company's popular  pundits, some of whom have millions of viewers.

this happened. So, I I want you just to  remember this because I feel like people are not. appreciating how hypocritical it is that he's now  trying to struggle session Megan Kelly because oh, he had Fuentes on the show when the Daily Wire  position in 2024 was that their CEO could talk. to Nick Fuentes publicly, praise Nick Fuentes  publicly, and also invite Nick Fuentes onto the. Daily Wire platform. We can actually we should  actually take a listen to a little bit of that.

conversation between Jeremy Boring then CEO Daily  Wire and Nick Fuentes. Take a listen. People can. say well I don't like what you say about this and  that. I don't like that guys like Shapiro cannot. will not say Christ is king. America first. I  think they forfeit their ability to lead. I I. would never listen to somebody that can't say  those things because I mean those things are. really the foundation of wisdom which is the love  of God which as you say goes through the sun as. we all know can only go through Jesus and oilia  which is you know your love of your home your.

love of your homeland that you reside in not some  other homeland. So I just want to get that across. to you. It's kind of a strange circumstance that  we're talking but that's how I feel about and I'll. say this Nick that I listen to your show quite  often. I think you're one of the most talented. people out there and I'm very concerned about  some of the things that you're saying. I wish. uh I I think that you're a very gifted  communicator and so it's hard for me to.

imagine that you consistently miscommunicate some  of these things and I'll I'll hope that I'm wrong. and yield the floor back to all the people who  actually came on here to talk to each other. Um, anybody want to help me out? Why it's now  different? H, what could be different now that. it was okay when the Daily Wire was open to doing  it and then Tucker did it and now it's suddenly. not okay and it's the worst sin that could ever  happen to speak to Nick Fuentes. Point number two.

I'm going to make here is the stunning hypocrisy  again, okay, of him picking the topic of Charlie. Kirk to pretend that he's noble. uh to to pretend  like he has to say something even though he's. lying in defense of what's happening to Charlie  Kirk's widow when it is just a fact that Ben. Shapiro did a lot of things behind the scenes to  stop the rise of Charlie Kirk. It's a fact. Okay, here's another text message. I have literal  hundreds of them pertaining to Ben sending his.

YAF boys, the AF boys, National Review peeps that  were coming after us writing articles. the one. that I showed in this little uh uh our thumbnail  here. Uh we can show this conversation. Um yeah, it was it was a headline. Ben Shapiro's Yaff  launches smear campaign against Charlie Kirk. and Candace Owens. Hey Charlie, wherever you are,  it's happening again. It's just like just a smear. campaign. I don't know why, but this is what Ben  does. And it is also interesting that when I was.

telling you that Ben called Charlie and he was  lamenting the fact that Charlie and I had this. friendship and warning him that he shouldn't have  him. Charlie felt like Ben was like throwing down. like slave owner vibes and he was just like  he thinks I like own you or something. But. I'm going to show you the text messages because  otherwise you'll say it didn't happen. Here we go. Uh this was again everything we Ben was going on  people's shows and and talking down about me and. Charlie and he said you're bigger than Ben now  and walking into the White House yesterday I.

realized that. I said I know he hates it. He said  we just have to treat him like noise. He wants you. to punch down to him. His respect amongst movement  fighters is quite low. I feel like that's relevant. right now to what Ben's doing. He wants to egg  on this fight because he's lost a certain bit of. respect. Um, and then Charlie goes on, you got  in his head, which is terrific. The Ben thing. involves me more than he wants to admit. And then  we went on and this is the same conversation. He. knows that Jon Snow, he's using a Game of Thrones  reference, is stronger as the dragons fly higher.

And he said it pisses him off and he is sending  his incestuous brother to go try and kill us. It's. worse. He views you as my slave 100%. Control her  is what he really was saying to me when he called. So this has been and and by the way, like I said,  I have hundreds of these messages and so you have. to imagine being in my position when you see  someone who did everything he could to kind. of stop the rise of Charlie Kirk now trying to  struggle session Megan who was actually a very.

good friend to Charlie. Charlie deeply respected  her and towards the end obviously she took a very. principled position on telling the truth about  what he was going through and Charlie dies and. suddenly he's like I care about this evil that  could be hap Candace is investigating who killed. her friend and and she shouldn't be doing that.  I mean there's no way to spin it. What is his. suggestion here that me asking questions about  Turning Point USA somehow means that I'm blaming. Erica who wasn't even working for Turning Point  USA uh when Charlie died because now she's the. CEO. Of course he doesn't believe that. And it is  just so to me it is truly so gross to do this to.

a person that you know you tried to block and you  just now that he's dead I guess you want to sort. of rewrite history. That's what you're trying  to rewrite history and pretend that you're his. ardent defender. Now another point that I'd like  to make is the stunning hypocrisy again and again. when you stop and you consider that he's pressing  Megan and referring to this as an evil. the thing.

that I never said or did. But this is the same Ben  Shapiro that work roots the destruction of Gaza. on. He supports and congratulated Randy Fine  who has literally tweeted laughing at photos. of dead Palestinian babies. But I guess Tucker  Carlson speaking to Nick Fuentes is just so much. worse than celebrating and not just celebrating,  interviewing a man who is committing an actual. genocide. Okay, that's not up for debate. That's  what they're trying him for. BB Netanyahu is.

committing a genocide and Ben Shapiro sat  down with him last month. And do you guys. think he pressed BB Netanyahu on the point of a  genocide? I don't understand how you could just. go out there with your hair on your chest and your  chest you're just like, "Yeah, how dare you? How. dare you not make a comment, Megan, about Tucker  Carlson? How dare you not make a comment? I care. now about Charlie Kirk now that he's dead. I care  about him. And what's happening? Candace trying.

to find out who killed him. That's evil. You're  lying. You You lie when you have nothing left. So. the question become question becomes what is Ben  actually doing here? Because it's certainly not. principled. I think we can put that to bed. It's  actually also risky behavior when it comes to Ben. Shapiro. Like he doesn't usually come out of the  gate like that. And I think a couple of things. are driving this unforced error. One, I do believe  that he is actually scared of Nick Fuentes. Okay, I think that fear comes from guilt. Nick's  backstory, don't care what you think about him,

you already know I don't like Nick Fuentes because  of how he treated me. Um, but the backstory is. compelling. I learned the backstory listening  to Jeremy Boring, the former CEO of Daily Wire, sit down with Nick. So, I right after I've been  fired, and I I didn't know what Ben and Jeremy. admitted that they they did to him. And so I  think if you artificially push somebody out. of the market and Ben has never come out and  denied anything that Nick Fuentes has said,

um, also Jeremy Borington denied in a conversation  with him. So we have to assume the story is true. And given what I know about what happens now, I  think and what Charlie was going through, I think. we can all realize that Nick was an 18-year-old  kid like he told Tucker and now the whole world. knows his story. He started asking questions about  Israel and he got artificially pushed out of the. market when he had his whole life ahead of him.  Okay? And now when they did this because they. wanted to rid themselves of Nick Fuentes, who then  became angry about it and definitively has said.

very offensive things on the internet, but also  he was 18, 19 years old. Uh, now you see him on. Tucker Carlson. You don't like Tucker Carlson. And  I think it makes him uncomfortable. I think we're. in Harry Potter, right? And Lord Voldemort thought  he killed the baby and the baby may be lit. I. don't even know who the dark lord is in this  story, but I do know I don't I don't even know who. he should not must not be named is in the story,  but I do know that with Ben and Nick Fuentes, it's kind of a neither can live while the other  survives. And Nick Fuentes seems to have survived,

okay, without advertisers, without sponsors,  without connections. Um, with the entire media. writing things about him, being put on the ADL's  list, he has proven to be quite resilient. And. it is in large part due to how hard they fight  him that people become curious. It's like what. you're we're watching kids be bombed like how many  people have lost their lives in Gaza. And you're. telling me the greatest evil is is Nick Fuentes.  I I'm sorry. I think I can survive Nick Fuentes. insulting me. I don't feel the need to wheel and  deal behind the scenes or, you know, tell Tucker.

not to host him. I just don't care. It's just  really not my business. I'm like Megan. I just. don't care. Like, okay, if somebody wants to be  a fan, they can be a fan of Nick Fuentes. And I I. sense an insecurity here in the fact that 10 years  on from when Ben had this thing that happened to. Nick Fuentes that he tells a story about now Nick  Fuentes is still here and and Ben's influence is. waning. It just factually is. Okay. Another thing  that's happening here and this is on the point of.

Megan Kelly and and going back to the woo making  it sound like Ben's got a popular position about. me. I sense that the pro-Israel lobby is on the  brink of collapse. They are desperate for allies, right? And they're so desperate for allies that  they're forcing them away. That's what they're. doing to me and Kelly, right? They're showing  the world right now that they are willing to lie. to get what they want. Ben is lying right now  to get what he wants. And for whatever reason, the pro-Israel lobby believes that this repeat  failed strategy of lying and threatening people.

is going to work. Now, you might be asking, well,  how is Megan Kelly being threatened here? This. is exactly what Ben just did on stage. That  is exactly the moral blackmail that Charlie. was speaking about in the last days of his life.  Okay, Ben is morally blackmailing Megan, right? He's sitting across from her. The threat is her  reputation. He's standing there and he's saying, "Candice is attacking a grieving widow and  accusing her of murdering Charlie Kirk. Will. you disavow this evil on the spot?" And he's got  these fake people going, "Woo! Woo! Yeah. And you.

you can see Megan's uncomfortable because she's  like, "Well, did she say that, man?" Like, "Maybe. that is evil. Like, that's does that happen?" He  doubles down. He's like, "Yes." She said, "Seth. Dylan murdered Charlie Kirk. Do will you disavow  this evil on the spot? That is moral blackmail. Are you a better person than to accept Candace  Owens who has attacked a grieving widow and is. saying to that grieving widow that you murdered  your own husband?" That is moral blackmail. Now,

speaking of on the spot, everything that you just  saw happen here with and Megan Kelly, I hope you. see this. Truly, you guys send this clip to her.  It's this is really important. It is pre-planned. It is not organic. The supporters are not organic.  The questions are not organic. We can pull back. another layer of this onion so you can understand  how vicious politics is because it is vicious. You might remember, maybe you forgot, but I  spoke at YWLS in 2024, right after I was fired.

from the Daily Wire and a big thing happened  and we should never forget it. Okay, while I. was heading to speak at this event, we learned  because there was an intern at the Daily Wire who. had a conscience and she felt very uncomfortable  with the secret mission that she was put on. We. learned that a covert mission was happening where  they were sending an intern to ask me a question, okay, to get my answer on the question. And then  what was going to happen next is they were going. to pass around a clip, but they were going to make  it look like she was just a a random student. Let.

me show you a clip because we found this out. I  called it out on stage. Charlie intercepted. We. found what her name was and I called this girl  out on stage. Take a listen, you guys. Um, the. last thing that I am going to say, strangely, it  was just such a crazy story. But as I was headed. in here, I got a a frantic call from somebody.  They did. They called me and they said, "Candice, something very weird is happening. The Daily Wire  has sent somebody secretly to record you. Um, an.

an intern, a PR intern to secretly record you, to  catch you in a bad moment, in a bad light. And I. think that that intern's name. No, to be fair, it  is never the fault of a person when their employer. is sending them to do something that isn't good.  But I would really love it if Ariana stood up.

Yeah. Okay. Maybe that's a little  too intimidating for you, too, but apparently she got an email  at 10 p.m., hopped on a plane, is pretending to be a student. Um, and  so I do just want to say to Ben Shapiro, enough. Come out into the light. Really, come on. Let's do this debate. Stop  sending interns to do your dirty work.

I don't bite. I'm down for the debate. Charlie  Kirk says he will fly you out. He will fly you. out next week to Detroit and we can do the debates  on his stage. Thank you, Turning Point USA. Let's. take some questions. Oh, you know the Turning  Point USA that I wasn't a part of, but that's how. it went down. And Charlie was like, "Yeah, that's  crazy that this is happening." And he's like, "Call him out on stage and offer the debate and  I will fly him out personally to come debate you.

on this." But this is how it works, okay? They  send people, they make it look like it's organic. They'll send people to your events and they  will have people applaud. That was orchestrated. by Alyssa Cordova now that she's not at the  Daily Wire. I can say that who I was calling. out yesterday. But it's so important for people  to get this. What is happening at Megan's events, I will guarantee you people coming and asking  her questions and trying to get her to disavow. Tucker Carlson. That is not organic. Okay? That  is pro-Israel people that are paid to do it.

Honestly, Megan, if you're watching, you give me  the list of your attendees. I'm assuming this is. a ticketed event. I will find the people from  they will be from YAF. They will be from some. organization. If you let me go through the names,  I love an investigation. I will tell you how. many people were sent there to go and and Rorus  Applaude actually trying to intimidate you and to. force you to take a position and to make you feel  uncomfortable because it's a part of that moral. blackmail pileup. And so I'm actually genuinely  not upset. I don't care. I I believe in the free.

markets. I genuinely will say again, I will always  debate Ben Shapiro. If you know, if if Tucker left. you on Red and you want to come on this show and  you want to debate Israel and you want to discuss. Erica Kirk and the things I never said, if you  want to discuss your relationship with Charlie. Kirk, anything that I have said that you would  like to dispute, my platform is your platform. I'd. say you should come on my platform because my show  is bigger now. Uh but we could also do yours. So, hit me up. We'll be right back after a brief  break. All right, you guys. is I've been speaking.

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make sure you let her know in her comments.  Blow her up because I have seen it before. I. know exactly what's happening. and they are going  to be at every single tour stop trying to struggle. session her and making a comment. It's just it's  weird. I don't know why they keep demanding that. she disavows uh Tucker and Candace. I don't work  with Megan Kelly, but I know how this goes. It's. the it's the exact same process by which the  pro-Israel lobby lost Charlie Kirk because.

eventually you just get tired of being bullied  and you start to sense and see that it's not. organic and also it's not coming from your quote  unquote friends. I just would never do this. I. it it wouldn't even flash in my mind as an idea  that I should text Tucker Carlson and tell him. who he should or should not have on his platform  or how he should use his platform. It doesn't. It's just not how normal people behave. And they  don't understand how abnormal it is. Anyways, switching gears here. I got to show you a couple  of clips. They're going viral right now. And CNN.

has cut these clips because they think they're  embarrassing to me. So, there's this young woman. She's the same age as me. El Reeve is her  name. And I'm going to be also be clear. I. got very testy in this interview because it was  a couple of days after Charlie was killed. First. interview I was giving. Just worked out that  it was CNN. It wasn't about Charlie Kirk that. we were we had set this up before. And I decided  to keep the appointment. You know, I hadn't been. sleeping. I hadn't been eating. And this woman,  I guess, decided that she just wanted to poke a.

bear. Anyways, she's the one passing around this  clip because she thinks it totally embarrasses. me and shows that I'm a white nationalist. Take a  listen. You can criticize Netanyahu without being. anti-Israel and you can criticize Israel without  being anti-Semitic. But some of the themes, talking points, concepts you've used in your  criticism of Israel, um, I'm very familiar with.

from covering white nationalists for 10 years.  It's very unsettling for me to hear things. like you saying, "Our government is occupied by  Zionists. Trump is occupied by Zionists. We're. an occupi occupied nation." Um because like  there's literally a term that's like an 80s9s. term from white nationalism some zag Zionist  occupied government. It's their idea that Jews. control the world. And I'm wondering like are you  intentionally referencing those kind of themes?

Wait, just to slow this down, are you accusing me  of white nationalist rhetoric? Because I do have. to have a little bit of a giggle about that first.  Well, that's I mean to me I'm also like they'd be. no fan of yours. It's just it's silly. But this  is one of the things where I feel like it's such. a lesson for CNN. This is why nobody watches it  anymore. I mean, it's like you're sitting across. from a black person. You're like, I've learned  about White Dash and you're using White Dash. Like I know them. I've been to their rallies. I've  read all their test. I get it. I know. I'm so glad. you're educated. But this is when it's like put  it in a book and anybody will say it. It's like.

it's just at a certain point you have to use your  eyes and go, "Is Candace Owens promoting white. nationalist rhetoric?" Okay, immediately no. So  what else could it be? Could it be that actually. Zionism is is what what it actually represents?  What does that mean? Like a political philosophy. occur. Yes. I believe we are a Zionist occupied  government and we're not the only one. Okay. Yes. And I take it to the bank. If you need to walk  out of here and say Canon is a white nationalist. for you to be able to digest it, then that's fine.  You know, you have to deal with that in your own.

time. But what I will say is I stand by I stand  by every statement that I made and I and I want. to double down on it. Okay. America is occupied  by Zionists. I'd like to triple down on that if. there's anybody going. I'd like to triple down on  that. These tactics are super boring and tired. And this is why it hinges upon suppressing speech,  right? Constantly having to refer to somebody as. evil or white supremacist or anti-semitic because  you've lost the argument on the B like there there.

is no merit to your argument anymore. So, it's  all a constant struggle session of semantics. And then she moves on to they. Do you remember  growing up when we were just allowed to use the. word they in sentences and nobody said, "What do  you mean by that?" several times. She just, "What. do you mean by they?" as if she didn't understand  how to construct a basic sentence. Um, and to. refer back to the noun. Uh, she has had no idea  which plural noun I was referring to. Anyways,

I was not really in the mood. And here is our  conversation about they. They is a word. So like. I don't need to always like say they. Like it's  just it's just a weird it's like this is one of. these psychology tactics where like who is they?  Who is they? And it's like because it sounds like. you're saying Jews. Does the word they mean Jews?  When you're talking about Jews? Yes. But if I'm.

not talking about Jews, then it does they doesn't  mean Jews. When I say they want us to believe this. or they want us believe that and you hear Jews,  that's your own derangement, right? If I want to. say something about Jews, I'll say it. If I want  to say something about Israel, I will say it. If. I want to just like when I want to say something  about black people, I'll say it. When I was saying. during BLM, they want us to believe, nobody said,  do you mean Jews? Uh, and so again, it's one of. these trash tactics to make people fearful to  speak. If I want to say Jews, I will say Jews.

I don't fear saying Jews. When I say Zionists run  the media, I mean Zionists run the media. People. that support the political ideology of Israel  run the media. Any other things that I can help. clarify? But are you familiar with this like very  long-standing trope? Give a [ __ ] about a trope. I really try not to curse, but I just felt like  we needed to kill it real quick. You know what I. mean? to just get her to move on from it because  I I really don't care and I'm so tired of these.

words. I'm just I'm tired. I'm exhausted. Are  you exhausted? We're tired. Collectively, we're. tired. I had to shut it down because I suddenly  realized I was homeschooling my toddlers. And. I told her as the interview goes on, I was like,  "Look, I have toddlers at home. I can't teach you, you know, basic sentence. I'm teaching my toddlers  how to read and here I am. I'm teaching her how to. understand they in a sentence." That's a It's what  are we doing? How old is this person? And she says. she's the same age as me. I'm going, you missed  first grade, you don't know what they means,

and now you're just going to It's a trope. This  is the way to respond. Okay, just shut it down. immediately. Embrace whatever you're going to  be called in in her in this circumstance. If. I got to be called a white supremacist to say my  opinion about this administration, how it's been. occupied by Zionists and the cruelties um that the  Palestinian children are suffering at the hands. of BB Netanyahu, then so be it. I don't encourage  you guys to cuss. It's a rare moment. Like I said,

it was a couple days after Charlie Cook died  and I just was not in the mood. Uh but I do. encourage you guys to defend yourselves in a  similar manner. Now, uh, in that same vein, if in case you guys missed this going around, Eric  and Laura Trump spoke at a recent TPUSA event at. Auburn University, and it's a different era, okay?  The post Charlie Kirk era at Turning Point USA. My. guess after watching this is people are going to  be less inclined to want to attend these events.

And I'm speaking about the guests like Eric and  Laura Trump because they are getting pressed now. by students about Israel. Take a listen. I'd  like to ask about your father's relationship. with Israel. He's taken over $230 million from  pro-Israel groups. During the summer against Iran, even though he advised against it, Israel still  attacked Iran and the US still bombed on behalf.

of Israel. Your father's frustrations with the  Netanyahu have been made clear when he cursed on. national TV over the situation. Israel has not  been a great ally to the US all the way since. 1960 when they bombed the USS Liberty. Israel is  a nation where Christians are constantly under. attack in both Gaza and the West Bank. We talk  about America first and defending Christians, but how can we do this if we align ourselves  with a nation that does not do that itself?

There's no question my my father's had  frustration. In fact, I think he says. frustration throughout the whole conflict  with with both sides. At the same time, make no mistake, you have a nation that is  chanting death to America every single day. on the state streets of Thrron. You have a  nation that will develop a nuclear weapon. and you have a nation that will use that nuclear  weapon against the western way of life. There's.

no question about it. Uh in response to the  nukes from Iran, Israel has nuclear weapons. and is not a part of the IEA unlike Iran. Um,  and it's just sad to see because I've never. seen the American president get treated the way  he does by the Israeli government. Here's what. I'll add. Do we or do we not have phase one of  a peace agreement in the Middle East right now?

Nothing is ever going to be perfect. But I'll tell  you what, this president works with what he has. He believes in peace through strength. And  whether we're talking about in the Middle East, whether we're talking about a 40-year  war like Armenia and Azeraijan, as Eric. just pointed out, a five-day war in Thailand  and Cambodia. This is a president of peace. I don't know. It's just it's lost its edge, right?  Like MAGA's over. It just feel you just know it's.

over. It's just over. And I say this, by the  way, and I'm always very honest with you about. how people are behind the scenes. Eric and Laura  have always been unbelievably kind to me. I have. nothing bad to say about them as human beings.  Laura works very hard. Um, and Eric, by the way, works very hard. Uh, you know, running the Trump  organization, certainly uh while while his father. has to go and be president, he took over.  But they know they're not telling the truth, right? They know they're not telling the truth.  The kids are now awake. they know about Jared.

uh and his deals with Ivanka and the Middle  East and how much money they're set to make. and you know Gaza being destroyed is actually  beneficial uh to their bank accounts. It just. is. And to think these kids and the fact that  he was ready to answer about the nuclear that's. always the threat of the nuclear and that used to  work like generation 911 that worked doesn't work. anymore because we realize there's only one nation  that isn't following any rules. There's only one. nation that isn't respecting America. There's only  one nation that generations of American children.

uh American men are being told they have to die  for in in foreign lands. So at at the benefit of. what nation? Not America. Uh if America throughout  all these wars was not in a steep decline and. actually we walked around and our streets were  clean and we didn't have any homelessness and. people were not on drugs, we probably would go,  okay, like we're up to no good in the Middle East, but at least look at this country. It's shining.  It's amazing. What's our upside? Our upside is we.

get to get lectured and told that we're not even  allowed to bring up Israel on college campuses. or risk being like um arrested getting stricter  on anti-semitism laws. Now you're coming in for. our speech and you thought that this generation  was going to get behind it because what BB bought. TikTok. The hypocrisy is astounding and you can't  survive hypocrisy. So unfortunately, I think four. years ago, everyone thought, who's going to be  the next Trump family member that's going to get.

into politics and galvanize the youth movement?  It's done. Dead on arrival now. And it's because. you guys went for broke on Israel. So, you know,  whatever the real estate plan is in Gaza, that's, you know, that's going to be that's going to be  the Trump legacy, I suppose. And to be honest, that wouldn't be the legacy that I'd want to  have because people are not going to forget what. happened there. Yeah. your children's children are  probably going to feel ashamed to be honest with.

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All right, jumping into some of your comments  here. RN Explorer writes, "Why can't Tucker. interview Fuentes?" Ben is upset with Tucker for  this. I have seen this kind I have seen this kind. of immaturity in high school between teenage  girls. I'm mad at her because she's talking to. the girl that I don't like. Ben, please stop.  I agree. There is something fundamentally high. school about it. It's so weird. And I I think they  truly thought this was it. Like I know it's every. week they renew their efforts to cancel Tucker,  but I think they thought they had him. Like this. was really going to be it. And of course it always  backfires because people go, "How immature? Why.

can't Nick Fuentes tell a story? I just I don't  understand it. I'm not offended by anybody sitting. down with Nick Fuentes." And I I think everybody  should be in the free markets. If Nick Fuentes. loses in the free markets, I want it to be because  there was better competition, not because he's. just been artificially pushed out. That's that's  the only way that that works. Otherwise, it just. it's immature. Just is immature. And it's whiny,  too. Uh Katie Rabian writes, "Missing Charlie.

extra today. We all deserve the truth, no matter  how awful it is. Please never stop fighting for. our brother in Christ. You're in our prayers. May  God bless and protect you, Candace." I'm I don't I. don't care at all about Ben trying to join people.  I It's almost like they're trying to peer pressure. me. Like there's like this threat like they want  me to say something bad about Erica because they. want me to stop investigating it. Which is making  me feel weird that it's always the pro-Israel. lobby that's doing this. people that weren't  friends with Charlie, okay, are trying to struggle. session us into no longer investigating uh what  happened here in order for uh us to in order for.

us to get a clean bill of health of not attacking  a widow. It's like, oh, if you investigate, then. you're attacking Erica. It's a nonsense. It makes  me think that there's something there, right? Like, what are they so afraid of? Why is the  pro-Israel lobby in particular so afraid of any. incursion into the absurd storyline that the feds  are trying to sell us about Charlie Kirk, right? It's it reeks of desperation and desperation only  exists when there's something to hide. And Israel.

has not been acting right from the beginning of  this. We know that. We know Israel has not been. acting right. We didn't do it immediately. It  wasn't us. Oh, that's kind of weird. That's. kind of weird that you're just jumping up and  saying that it wasn't you. Amber Lee Frazz writes, "Let's not forget that he would be the one to pick  up his bloodstained microphone." That is right. Ben did say that right after Charlie died and even  that it was just for me knowing what was between.

them. It was just a lot for me to process. I was  going through so many emotions that week. I was so. angry. He was initial in the reaction to Charlie's  death. It is obvious that he has an agenda. Look, everyone in politics has an agenda of some  description. I'm not clear on what Ben's is, but. I sense a tremendous insecurity because it is not  a good step to lie like that. Okay? And he knew I. didn't say it. There's not there's not a chance  that he thought that I said Seth Dylan murdered. Charlie Kirk or Erica Kirk murdered Charlie Kirk.  So, he's um showing his fear. And also, like I.

said, I think he wanted to bully effectively bully  Megan Kelly into a position and she's trying to. come up for air. And she's like, "Wow, people  are cheering this on. Maybe Candace really did. say this. Maybe she did accuse Erica. That would  be horrible." And good for her for not taking the. bait and changing the subject instead because she  wasn't certain that I had said it. Melissa writes, "Canis, as a black woman, you handled that  interview perfectly. If anybody was embarrassing, it was her who, by the way, appeared to be on  drugs. Something was off. It was given you know.

wine drunk mom. Do you guys did you used to watch  Hey Arnold like Helga Pataki's mom. Yeah for those. of you who it's a very specific reference but  if you got it you got it. It was giving Helga. Pataki's mom. By the way we watched such serious  cartoons when we were growing up. Tom Simpson. writes, "Are we sure Fuent Fuentes being pushed  isn't as an opt to smear the anti-Israel dissident. right by association? I don't think he's in on  it, but persona Nongrada for years and then on.

like five major pods in the same month." Look, I  when I invited him on my podcast genuinely, I just. wanted to have a conversation. So, I can tell you  cuz I'm not an OP. But the sense that I got with. how he reacted and lied about how we treated him  is the first thing that made me think he was an op. because I was like, "That's so weird. We were so  nice to you. We spoke about we spoke to you behind. the scenes. We planned the interview, what we  were going to name the interview, and he was very. theatrical. So, I don't trust it. I've been very  clear. I don't trust the Fuentes thing, but other. people can. That's on them, you know. Explorer 253  writes, "Ben sounds like an immature teenage girl,

upset that she can't control her friends or the  people around her. How embarrassing." Yeah. And. I just don't think it's going to work. I think  Megan Kelly is going to hold the line because she. did right there under pressure. I just want her to  know that it is not organic. That is so important. So for those of you um that are watching both  of our shows, just make sure you tell her that. Uh Zamit writes, "Truth is harmonic, lies are  shrill." That's exactly correct. Plant babies and.

more writes, "You're amazing, Candace. You owned  that interview." Thank you so much. I appreciate. that. Amber Lee Frazz writes, "They made is a  giant error in stopping Charlie Kirk." Oh, they. made a giant error. I think you had a typo here.  They made a giant error in stopping Charlie Kirk. Now the people are Charlie. Bless you, Candace.  We're continuing the fight. Who is they? Who. is they, Amber? When you say they, did you know?  Did you know about that manual that was published. in 1897? When you say they, it's a longunning  anti-semitic word, that word they. So, please be.

very clear if you plan on using it this weekend.  If anybody out there is going to say they, please. be very clear on what you mean when you say the  they, okay? because her feelings aren't really she. studied it and she knows she knows people. That's  kind of the whole vibe she was giving was like mom. drunk. Okay. Uh lastly, Jonathan writes, "Compared  the Islamic rules of engagement with the Geneva. Convention. Also, Ben says Republicans should work  together against Mombi. Yet the DW was all about.

sab sabotaging all the other conservative media."  Like I said, in general, everything he was saying. there felt to me to be very hypocritical.  And I hope that I have done a very good job. demonstrating just how hypocritical it is and how  they pivot their perspectives. You got to support, you know, baby Netanyahu who's murderous. But oh  my gosh, I can't believe you could you would speak. to Nick Fuentes. We can speak to Nick Fuentes, but  you can't speak to Nick Fuentes unless we say you.

can speak to Nick. None of it makes any sense. And  genuinely, it's just because the pro-Israel lobby. is on its way out. People don't like them anymore  because of these tactics, because they're not. sincere in their and wanting to debate. And then  even when they do debate, they then do what they. did to Charlie Kirk and afterwards get so angry  that they lost the debate that they try to squeeze. him and tell him he can never host this person  ever again because they lost. It's the behind the. scenes actions that they take and how they treat  people. And I mean that what a terrible guest for.

Megan. Like she's inviting you on her platform and  you know you've planned this session. you know, you plan to press her and you know, you probably  planned uh to have people pass around that clip. uh to try to embarrass her. That's that's not  going to bode well in the future if you're if. you're really looking forward to having her as  an ally long term. That's my advice. Free to. take it. Also, free to come on to my platform,  the number one podcast in the world right now, Benny. So, what's up? You want to come, you can  come. We can have a conversation. Um, you know, I I always believe in more conversation  and genuinely I'm not angry cuz how could.

I be angry? Su success really is the uh best  revenge. We'll see you guys on Monday. [Music].