Behind The Scenes Of The Great Debate: TPUSA Is The Biggest Loser. | Ep 376

All right, you guys. Happy Monday. I am. extra happy this Monday because of the. great debate. My oh my. Honestly, you. guys, if we're being honest, it was over. the minute that Andrew Wilson began. reading his quote unquote opening. statement from his phone. I was half. expecting him to just be like, "And this. message was brought to you by Turning. Point USA." Just terrible. Terrible. I. mean, without question, the biggest. loser was Erica Kirk, Andrew Kulvette, Blake Nef, the Turning Point USA.

organization, more broadly speaking, because we seem to be reaching a new. depth of their PR disaster. Could it get. any worse? I mean, guys, they brought. that guy in to train Turning Point USA. students how to debate. He's going he's. going to teach them the strategy of. debate. They actually paid him to teach. them. So they went from Charles James. Kirk Charlie. to a chain smoking debate bro with a.

very shaky boot. So like I said they are. the biggest losers. I personally think. the organization is over. There can't be. much coming back from that. Who they're. now hitching their wagon to. Erica Kirk. CEO and chairwoman ruined this. organization in under a year which is. incredible. And it's because the queen. sent an absolute joker. Welcome back to. Candace.

>> Let me just express to you all that I I. truly feel disrespected. Can I say that? I feel disrespected because there is no. organization that knows better than. Turning Point USA does that I was. trained to debate by Charlie Kirk cross. country across too many college. campuses. I mean just hours and hours.

and hours while we were traveling note. cards learning how to debate what not to. do. And so it's just like how dare they, you know, how dare they send me Andrew. Wilson. Really? This is this is the new. person that's coaching the students. This is who you think is going to take. me down. Goes into TPUSA headquarters in. June. Comes out and suddenly he thinks. that I don't know. He's a billionaire. dropping my name. Oh, she's too afraid. to bait me.

Okay, let me give you guys a little bit. of a backstory here. You should you. should just know what happened leading. up to this because it just will give you. a a better sense of what the. organization has become. what we all. notice has nothing to do with who. Charlie was. And I think understanding. the leadup to this moment, leadup to the. great debate. Um, yeah, I really do. think that it will help furnish the. answer of the strategy that Erica Kirk. employs as the new CEO and leader. Now, I am not in any way exaggerating when I. say that I have never in my life amongst.

friend or foe organizations dealt with a. more unprofessional team than Andrew's. team in my entire career ever anywhere. leading up to them arriving at my house. So, foremost, just to back it up, you. will recall that Andrew Wilson demanded. that I publicly negotiate the terms of. the agreement on X. He wanted to tweet. back and forth. It was excruciating. He. wanted to make sure that I couldn't. change the terms. I was like, "Why don't.

we take this on to email? We could just. go back and forth." He's like, "No, this. must be negotiated publicly, please.". So, he literally refused to email like a. normal human being until we agreed to. the debate claim that until we agreed to. the the format, you know, 3 and 1/2. hours minimally um until I accepted. that. And that took about a day and a. half of non-stop back forth, which it to. me is quite child childish. And we. agreed, of course, that he could also. bring a video guy because he was. paranoid to ensure uh that there were no.

surprises, like we were going to do some. sort of a gotcha here. Like who was in. his ear just telling him that this any. of this is necessary? I don't know. But. I did find out. We also agreed, as you. saw publicly, that he could bring his. own fact checkers. Essentially, he's. coming with a party of four. We agreed. that he could pick the moderator, etc., etc. We basically folded on everything. because I just said, "Yeah, I just I'm. I'm down for this debate." And then once. it was excruciatingly and publicly. negotiated and we are finally able to.

move to discussions behind the scenes, we start an email chain. I am provided. with no identity as to who I am. communicating with. We're basically. emailing the quote unquote crucible. team. I'm like, "Who is this? Who am I. speaking with? Why is there no name. behind the emails? Um, even when we, like I said, we asked, "Who am I. speaking to?" They're just being shady. for no reason. It's like a faceless. email chain. We have all of our names on. there, so they know exactly uh who's.

calling the shots, who's being looped. in. We've got nothing. So, whoever this. anonymous email person or people were, they then declare that they would like a. contract and an escrow account for the. funds. Okay, not totally off the mark, but it's going to be hard, not exactly. easy to find a bank that approves an. escro account, open it, get lawyers. involved by Friday. That's what I'm. thinking. They then indicate that. they're okay if it's my lawyer's. account. Okay, fine. I have my lawyer.

begin drafting a very simple contract, which basically spells out exactly what. we've agreed to publicly. And suddenly, we receive an email from the Crucible. team. the Crucible team essentially. saying, "Never mind. Joe Rogan has now. made an offer to host this discussion. down in Texas." So, and I'm quoting. this, "This changes everything. Let's just blow up the negotiations. Let's blow up everything that we made. you painfully agree to publicly because. Joe Rogan will reach more people than.

your platform." Now, they're asking me. to travel to Texas. They offer me a. luxury car to accommodate my pregnancy. and I say no. I say no unless Joe would. like to come to Nashville because it. does not change everything. It actually. changes nothing and I'm not going to. deal. It's already been a painful. process. I'm not taking myself through. that again. Plus pushing the date back. and having to be in communication with. this team for weeks um on end because.

you're a fan of Joe Rogan. I like Joe. Rogan, too, but I only had two. conditions here, right? Everything else. we've conceded to. I said, "I don't want. to travel." Not because I can't travel. pregnant. I do. I can and I do travel. I. just don't want to travel to this ankle. biter who's up there saying, "I'll do it. on your platform." Okay, put your money. where your mouth is. The other condition. I had was no smoking. No smoking. No. traveling. Anyway, they finally let that go and um. I respectfully declined. And when Joe.

reached out, who's very nice about it, totally understanding. Andrew then calls. PBD and asks him to moderate because. Michael Nolles said that he wasn't going. to moderate. I immediately said, "Give. me your second, third, fourth option so. we can start reaching out to people.". Andrew reached out to PBD and around. this time the quote unquote Crucible. team begins renegotiating what we've. already publicly agreed to asserting. that they want to have a guaranteed. 90 minutes to basically sit me through a.

deposition where he can just go at me. and ask me questions and I have to. answer his questions about things that I. have said outside of our debate claims. Now, we've already addressed that. publicly and I said no. I said, "I'm. happy to answer your questions once we. have exhausted our debate claims, uh, but we're not going to have some you. sitting down and deposing me." I. actually recommend via email. Again, I. said, "If you want that to happen, you. you're going to have to pass the bar and. join Breijit Mcronone's prosecution team.

against me. If that's what you're. aspiring to do, sit me down for a. deposition. You have to become a lawyer. and join her team." Okay? And I said, "No." And PBD, I'm I'm I'm going crazy. here. I'm like, he is the one that. agreed to all of this publicly, made me. do this publicly, and is now trying to. change things. So, at that point, since. PBD accepted being the moderator, he. suggested that everyone get on a. FaceTime call to work through these. details. So, we have basically an. emergency FaceTime call um on Tuesday. evening and I explain a detail.

Suddenly, he's acting differently. I. think just having the presence of me now. looping in PBD on these emails, he's. like, "Oh, yeah, no, it's fine. I don't. need to, you know, ask her questions or. do anything like that or add that to the. contract. I just want to make sure that. there will be time for me to address, you know, generally speaking some of her. conspiracies. And I said over and over. again, I don't mind answering your. questions. I we're going to be. dialoguing like we're not you're not. sitting me down and questioning me and I. want to make sure we at first and.

foremost address the case. That's what. people are here to listen to. And I. explained in detail on this call and PBD. has two members from his team on the. call as well, Tom as well as um his. executive assistant. I explained in. detail thoroughly that my house is very. small. I explained to him why uh we are. not allowing them to film anywhere but. inside of this exact studio. My kids. live here. They homeschool here. Um and. this is something that you just have to.

respect, but I understand you're. paranoid. Um, we have a very small small. formerly HVAC closet control room, but. we will create a spot to address your. paranoia for your team. They will be. able to listen. They'll be able to hear. everything and so that you know that. there's no funny business going on and. you're welcome to basically record. within the studio so that in the event. that we try to trick you or do. something, you will have captured it. And he's fine with that. He gets off, we. get off the phone, everything is done.

contract gets officially signed on. Thursday. Okay, what could possibly go. wrong? You're thinking, right, because. tomorrow is Friday. Well, sometime on. Thursday, my producer is like, it's kind. of weird that we don't have a point of. contact. We are still dealing with a. faceless team. No one has reached out to. ask for our address. We also need the. names because we have security and we. need to know who they're bringing. So, the the faceless people have to become. real people. And we end up asking PBD's. team to provide us a number for Andrew. Wilson. We get a number and.

it's Andrew's number and he says reach. out to this number which seemingly. belongs to no one. They will not. identify themselves. So my producer is. now texting an anonymous somebody. We. try to run the number to figure out who. we're speaking to. It appears to be a. burner phone. The person just they're. just I guess they want to surprise us. with who they're bringing to the house. And I can't even imagine this. I can't. even imagine this scenario where someone. has expressed to you, my children live. here, they sleep here. This is our.

personal home. Like, we are going to, you know, have a studio outside of this. in the near future, but for now, this is. what we have. Now, over the course of. this conversation with this faceless. individual, the person immediately. begins getting rude with my producer and. insisting, again, this is on Thursday, this is the night before, that they're. going to need a desk. They're going to. need a place to set up Andrew's live. stream. Excuse me. You're They're saying. they're now going to need an HDMI cable. that's going to run um out of our studio.

into the control room so they can set up. a computer into a camera and live. stream. They need access to power. They. say uh they being the anonymous people, I don't know who we're speaking to. And. I almost lost it. I just went like this. is absurd. They still will not answer. who they are bringing. And I said, 'We. have never agreed to allow them to set. up a live stream in our home to write a. desk in HDMI. What are we even talking. about? And the person replies that they.

thought it was implied because our. contract says the debate will be live. streamed. Yeah, the debate is going to be live. streamed like my show is live streamed. every day because you thought we were. going to trick you and put it behind a. payw wall. Why would you think that. implies that you can set up a mini. studio in my home after I've gone. through such pains to express to both. you and PBD's team how small the space. is and how we don't have any room? I kid. you not. Okay. So, when did this anonymous team decide.

to email us rather than trying to, you. know, force my producer to just. accommodate them? When were they going. to email us about this assumption? 9:15. p.m. the night before. 9:15 PM the night. before the debate with a follow-up email. sent at 11:15 p.m. And still at no point. will they identify who the four people. are despite the fact that we asked. multiple times in email um and via text. who are you bringing into my home where.

my children lie their head. So it's now. debate day. We still get no answers, no. identity of who they're bringing. They. want to surprise us. That's that's very. apparent. And I just want to say I. cannot comprehend how degenerate and. disrespectful uh you have to be to do. that. I just I would never do that to. anybody no matter how I felt about them. So we just made sure that they were not. welcomed through the front door. We. normally just welcome everybody through. the front door and said we they had to. go through the back through the basement. door because why would I allow anyone to. be so unnecessarily disrespectful? Then. we figure out why. And then it starts to.

make sense because he shows up with. Steven Crowder's team. Steven Crowder's. producer, CEO, regular onair talent. feature who spends all day mean tweeting. me. He's actually like the CEO of. whatever it is Steven Crowder thinks he. does anymore. If you don't know who. Steven Crowder is, he's basically a. child actor who never stopped being a. child actor. It's a 40-year-old man and. he just likes to prank people. And this. is exactly his brand of just doing. something this disrespectful for no.

reason. And I mean when I say. disrespectful and I'm not even like. Gerald Morgan is who he brought is who. he brought with him. Um I didn't he was. not rude to me but could you imagine? Okay. um that despite me detailing why. we wanted no filming outside of this. studio and saying you can film in the. studio, Gerald decided to do a live. callin from my kids' playroom just.

outside the studio. It was one of the. reasons we said no smoking. We made it. clear to them my children's playroom, which is the garage area, is just. outside and you can't smoke cigarettes. Like all of this was made clear. He this. was the their big plan is to get views. for Stephen and to disrespect me. you. can go back. And so I I I I still am. just amazed that this is something that. like grown men would be plotting and. planning for clicks and views. It's it's. so disgusting. But at the very least, it allowed me to.

understand why there was so much. paranoia, why there was all this weird. communication, all this unnecessary. scheming, because I that's his brand. That is literally his brand. He's just. not an honest dealer. He's a part of. that bizarre group of middle-aged men. who are fixated with me. I just never. have been interested in Stephen Crowder. I just I genuinely like I don't follow. his stuff. I've never been on a show. I. just it's I that brand of never growing. up and thinking that it's funny to be to. do like pranks and it's not it's grow. up. You know, his brand sort of crashed. and burned uh when he was caught on a.

doorbell cam berating his eight-month. pregnant now ex-wife when she was. pregnant with twins. And he never really. recovered from that. And so I guess the. way that he thought he would recover is. by plotting against another very. pregnant person to sort of like break. into her house in a weird way and like. so you could have inside scoop on a. debate rather than just maturely. emailing and saying like why would you. sneak into someone's house? Like I it. still boggles the mind. Why would you. try to sneak into someone's house. because you want clicks and views?

because you don't have the manhood or. the decency to say, "Hey, look, you said. I could bring four people and I'm going. to bring someone that you don't like and. someone who's been nasty to you online, but that's my prerogative." I would have. said, "Yeah, you're right. It's your. prerogative. Could you just make sure. this person doesn't, you know, film. here?" Whatever. They did not do that. And it was actually in complete. violation to what we agreed to because. one thing the contract did stipulate was. no filming outside of this studio. Um,

anyway, I kept it professional. We were. kind to everyone because if nothing. else, it did give me the confidence to. know that Andrew was surrounding himself. and taking advice from very unserious. people who like to play pranks. essentially. And I think that we saw the. fruits of that during the debate. immediately, that that was their plan to. sort of play tricks to win. And I do. want to say just to be super fair here. The team uh particularly he had in the. control room, he was very kind, very. professional. Even Gerald, he was kind.

and professional to my face. But the. just what you're doing, the exercise of. what you're doing here, um is just a. level of disrespect that I don't think. I've I've ever dealt with. And if it. wasn't for me um knowingly moving out of. this house in a couple of weeks or so, I. probably would not want these kinds of. people to know where I live because you. just don't have respect for children. Now, regarding the debate, I do want to. say this. By the time Andrew Wilson. whipped out his phone and read that. opening statement, it was clear to me.

that he was going to lose. As soon as he. said the like much trafficked quotation. of you're going off vibes and dreams and. no evidence, I knew that he was. completely unfamiliar with my content. Like he just decided to go to turning. point and say I'll do this and I'll be. bacho and had done no research. And I. also had this micro win because earlier, if you remember, I had said that one of. the terms that I wanted that I ended up.

conceding was um I wanted turning point. to claim their horse. I wanted them to. say that this is our guy and he said he. didn't want that done. We all knew that. he was being sent by Erica and company, but he refused that term and said he had. nothing to do with them. And then in the. first three minutes of the debate, he. makes it perfectly clear that Turning. Point USA is backing him with this. totally awkward I have a. never-before-seen message uh wherein he.

just kind of makes Erica Kirk look like. a big fat liar. Take a listen. >> I hold in my possession never before. seen messages from Charlie Kirk to his. security team on September 9th, 2025. I'm going to share the message with you. today, which is the first time this. information's ever been publicly. revealed. >> On September 9th, Charlie security team. wrote to him, "Yes, law enforcement has. been fully supportive and agreed to uh. security plan and posture. Tomorrow's. event will be covered by both my team.

and the campus PD. If additional support. is required, patrol units will be. available. I have 11 on site." Charlie. responded with this. Okay, great. remind. them that they are there for one. person's security only because I'm. somewhat worried the left is trying to. kill me. That was a message sent. September 9th. We we knew that there was. always going to be a threat, but Charlie. and I always we promised each other we. would never live in fear. And he would.

say, "If they're going to get me, they're going to get me." But he was not. messaging people the day before saying, "I'm going to be murdered. They're. coming after me. Someone's going to kill. me." He didn't. He didn't say that. And. I have his cell phone. >> So, for those of you who watch this. show, that was the original Turning. Point USA sin. That was that was the. first episode that I did going after. Erica and I explained to people that she. was lying. I said, "She's lying. There's.

no way that I know that this text. message exists and that this text. message was sent from Dan Flood and she. doesn't. This is in December. This is in. December that she's joining Glen Beck. mid December that she is joining Glen. Beck and asserting that she has his. phone. And then Turning Point uh tried. to claim which we met days after because. that's when I went this is weird. days. after that is when Erica then came to. Nashville and we had this summit and. what she told me which how Andrew is.

making a very very bad mistake here. She. said well um it was on Signal and the. team's messages autodelete on Signal and. she didn't know. So I guess Dan Flood. didn't tell her. I guess uh Andrew. Kovette who was giving messages that he. thought was relevant to the police. didn't think to give them a message that. said the left is going to kill me. But. particularly when we sat down she was. like have you seen the message? And I. said no. And she said oh it said the.

left and it was on signal. And I told. you guys that was a double lie. She lied. again. The message was actually sent on. iMessage. Well Andrew says he's going to. be dropping this message because he. actually didn't want to show the message. for some reason. He wanted this big sort. of weird opening where people are going. to go and everyone just thought it was. really strange, really strange for. Turning Point USA to not have presented. that message, which actually. if they really had a message that said.

this, their entire narrative has been. the left to kill Charlie Kirk. Why. wouldn't you share that? That seems. weird. Why didn't you share that with. authorities when you were sharing. messages? and and Andrew were supposed. to believe you didn't tell her for four. months, but you told me in September and. Erica went on Glenn Beck to debunk me. and say I was a liar and now it's just. looking real bad for Turning Point USA. So fingers crossed, guys, because I. always have a surprise. Fingers crossed. that Andrew, who has promised that he's.

going to release this on his show cuz. he's got evidence, actually does release. that message, which is supposed to be on. Signal, but I know for a fact is on. iMessage. So, yeah. Anyway, moving on. As soon as the actual debate begins, I. sort of declined to do an opening. statement because it was just weird that. he did that. It had nothing to do with. the debate claims, of course. It was. just taking cheap shots at Candace. The first thing he does is he conceds. that there's reasonable doubt that Tyler. Robinson did this. PBD asks asks us.

explicitly uh what percentage do you put. this at? And here is what Andrew Wilson. says. >> Just out of curiosity, are you between 0. to 100? What is the likelihood that you. think Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk. and killed him? >> Based on the evidence right now, um I. don't know. I'd say 75 85%. Okay, I win the debate. So, I guess the evidence is not so. overwhelming. We went from overwhelming. to 75%. That's reasonable doubt. Let.

this man off. What? What are we even. talking about? Who has ever been like, "Yeah, 75% was overwhelming." Hey, uh, how would you rate that restaurant? Like. 75%, I was overwhelmed with how delicious the. food was. And I put it at 75%. Like, what are what are we talking about? Why. are we here? And I realized that he. didn't really know why he was here. He. didn't have any sort of a debate. strategy other than to lie with. confidence. It was just amazing to me.

how many times this man thought that he. could just lie not only about things. that were happening in the case, but. also about what was happening currently. in the room during the debate. Like. we're sitting here and he just was like, "I'm a wizard. I'm a wizard. I I have. magic I have a magic wand and I can just. convince audiences they didn't or did. just hear something that happened 5. seconds ago. It was bonkers. I mean, the. amount of people that were like, "This. is a strong sign of somebody with. narcissistic personality disorder to.

confidently lie and try to gaslight. you." Take a listen to just two times he. did this. >> You wrote the car pulling in. That's a. totally blur image. >> Um Robinson getting out of it. You have. no idea if that's Tyler Robinson. The. fact that he is seen four other times on. camera, the fact being just a standard. white boy with brown hair was seen. getting walking upstairs. The DNA on the. roof. We should discuss that. And on the. screwdriver that he left behind, it's. overwhelming, man. >> Yeah, but that's not an exhaustive list.

>> Just so we're clear, you did tweet it, >> but it's not an exhaustive 5 seconds. ago. You should. >> You said I only said this one thing and. said that that was overwhelming. Actually, >> that's not what I said. >> It is. You could even pull your own. C. can you can you fact check if that was. said or not? I did not hear her say. >> no the thing. >> you listed on your own Twitter that what. you found to be convincing was something. that looked like his car pulled into the. driveway. A blurry image I didn't. standard white guy coming up the steps.

that could literally be anyone. >> This never happened for you though to. say that anybody's a girl boss, right? That's like the calling black. >> That came out of your mouth. >> No, that was you. You brought up girl. boss. girl boss came out of your mouth. >> It's a bizarre criticism. Like, nobody's. in the bigger girl boss position than. you. >> Yeah, I'm actually in. >> the biggest of the girl boss positions. Like, you don't have to do this. You. just do do this. You could definitely. not do it at all and be fine.

>> He literally came out of his mouth. I. never said girl boss. I was just. answering and asking him to explain away. how he shifted his position on now he. suddenly supports Erica being a CEO and. then he started bringing up a girl boss. and he did this so many times it was. stunning and people were just going why. maybe he has amnesia maybe it's not a. strategy and he has amnesia but to just. assert something with such confidence. and to keep lying over and over again. was just shocking to me uh we were. probably less than an hour into it when. I realized by the way that he was not.

okay because I wanted to address that. this bizarre strategy of public. gaslighting. And he again wrongly but. ever confidently filled in the wrong. blank when I said, "Are you" and this. actually ended up being one of my. favorite moments. Take a listen. >> You didn't mention that I mentioned the. screwdriver, DNA, all these other. things. You never mentioned any of that. So, no, you're actually incorrect there. But on top of that, moving over to the.

actual evidence itself, >> are you uh. >> Yes, I'm okay. Anyway, back to the. evidence. >> You're okay. Actually, I'm glad you're. asserting that you're okay. I wasn't. worried about your health. >> I really don't think by that time he was. okay. It was already apparent to me that. he was kind of coming apart and he. didn't really have an argument and it. was very obvious that he did not watch. the preliminary hearing or any hearing. for that matter. This is why he could. not comprehend the contradiction of him. claiming and calling people conspiracy. theorists. you're a conspiracy theorist.

and it's because of the way that you're. looking at evidence. You're making. inference in inferences off of that. evidence. That's his whole thing. He. couldn't comprehend the hypocrisy of. that when in fact he was doing the exact. same thing. If all of his evidence was. being derived, which he felt was. overwhelming, was being derived from a. hearing wherein the prosecution was. doing just that, looking at evidence and. interpreting it however they wanted, a. blurry image of a white man with brown. hair. I think that's Tyler Robinson.

Okay. I think that's not Tyler Robinson. He calls one a fact and the other one a. conspiracy theory. This was the whole. point of a hearsay of the uh hearsay. Utah 112. And if he had watched how many. times they discussed this 1102 rule, it. was basically like, yeah, we allow this. at this stage, it's probitative, he. would have understood why I was pointing. out this hypocrisy. But he quite. literally could not grasp that concept. in a way that was frustrating for me in. so much that I had to tell him I can I.

can explain it to you but I cannot. understand it for you. Right? We all. have our professional limitations. This. is one of mine. I cannot it it's like. being in a class and you just have that. one student that's not grasping. something that seems to the rest of us. to be a really easy concept and he's. going I don't understand. Why do you. keep saying it's here? What is 11:02? What is this? What does it matter? because this grants us all the ability. whether inside or out of the courtroom. to look at evidence and then to infer. upon that evidence. In fact, that's what. people are doing in a in in any court. case. Actually, both sides are doing.

that. They're just they're in dispute. One side is saying I infer this, one. side is saying I infer the opposite and. here is the evidence and the jury makes. a decision. Anyway, it was very clear to me that. because he was weak on the case and. didn't know anything, he wanted out of. debating the evidence altogether. He. didn't want to talk about the degraded. prince who says, "So what?" So what? What do you mean, so what? I'm I'm. trying to tell you why there is just as. much evidence here. The evidence that.

you say is enough to say that he did it. to say that he was set up as a psy. That's I'm trying to prove my claim, but. he said, "Nope, let's go to a new. phase." And it was the next phase was. very reminiscent to me of when you learn. a new vocab word and you just want to. use it. It was like a term he had just. learned yesterday or something and that. term was positive evidence. He just. thought that if I keep saying it, people. at home will think I'm really smart and. intellectual and frankly it just came. across as bizarre. Like this is just a.

little little bit of him saying positive. evidence. Let's talk about the uh foreign legion. >> Sure. >> Was the foreign legion do you believe. trying to kill you? >> Yes, that's why I reported it to the. correct officials in government. That's. what I was told and I handed over that. information to Tulsi Gabbard's office. >> What's your best piece of evidence for. that? >> Well, it was. >> positive evidence. >> This would be at a professional. limitation for me to then go and probe. that information that I handed over. I. can't do that. I'm not the.

>> You don't have any positive evidence of. that? I don't you can you just stop? It's it's. actually just like annoying to hear you. keep saying positive evidence. >> Do you have any positive evidence. whatsoever that Israel killed Charlie. Kirk? >> That he stopped and ate at Chick-fil-A, which if you are into LGBTQ issues. wouldn't be your lunch before you go. kill Charlie Kirk for LGBTQ issues. Uh. because you know. >> Yeah. But you have positive evidence and. >> we cannot say for certainty that Israel. called the shots and this is how it. happened. But it is definitively I think. a threat that a lot of us would like to. see. >> There's no positive evidence. Don't you.

think that like tens of thousands or. hundreds of thousands of people would. want to know what Candace Owen's. positive evidence for why it is that. Israel and France were involved in the. most traumatic public assassination of. Jenz's lifetime is? She had no positive. evidence Israel's involved in anything. No positive evidence that um France is. involved in anything. No positive. evidence TPUSA is involved in anything. No positive you have evidence that Erica. Kirk is involved in anything.

>> Genuinely like it was maddening. I just. could you just stop saying that term? You do not sound smart. Just you don't. need positive evidence for your. opinions. You just don't. You're like, "Hey, I think chicken sandwiches are. better than cheeseburgers." But what's. your positive evidence? Well, I just I. just think that Well, what's your You. have to have positive evidence. How. would I have to have positive evidence. for me receiving a threat and me taking. it to the authorities? Could you imagine.

if the world worked like that? Like you. receive a threat and and and someone's. like, "Hey, you should know if this. person is plotting to kill you." And you. go to the police station and you're. like, "Here, here's here's a person who. told me this. He's he's going to kill. me." And the police are like, "What's. your positive evidence?" My positive. evidence I'm reporting the threat, officer. I like I don't know how I I. want you to do your job now and go. figure out if this is viable. They're. telling me this. Well, what's your. positive evidence? My positive evidence. is me coming to you with the evidence. that I have and expecting you to.

investigate it because that's your duty. I mean, that limitation, it was really. funny. I I saw a meme. I think we're. going to actually show it later of. people just being like, "Does you think. that people the the if you think the FBI. is involved and you think that they plan. this assassination that the government's. going to help you find the positive. evidence for this stuff?" like, "Well, JFK, I guess it was all above board. because you have to have positive. evidence and only the CIA can give you. that positive evidence and they've. blacked out the documents, so you just. can't you can't speculate about it." I.

mean, it's just bonkers. Yeah, I'm I'm. allowed to think what I think about. Erica Kirk. I think she's suspicious. And then I remind him, I flip the script. and I say, "Well, what's your positive. evidence for you having asserted, as he. did before he went to Turning Point USA. headquarters in May, he tweeted that he. thinks that Erica Kirk is too. to kill her husband." And so I'm like, "Well, what's your positive evidence for. that? Are you allowed to just have. opinions?" And then he's like, "Oh, I'm. allowed to have opinions." And he says. he thinks that all women are are. retards. And sure, if you you're sitting.

across from me that you're paying. $100,000 an hour to speak to, I don't. think anyone's walking away thinking. that women are dumb in this situation. That's my opinion. I have no positive. evidence, but I think most people walked. away and thought you were the idiot. Anyway, next, he um did what he was. obviously censored to do, and you could. just see his whole posture is changing. He's not feeling confident. He realizes. he just said the words positive evidence. too many times. Nobody cares. No one.

thinks you're brilliant. And it's quite. annoying. And then it moves to this. phase where it's very obvious to me that. he is trying to entrap me in a lawsuit. by getting me to complete sentences in a. way that would fall into legal. defamation. Right? He's asking me and. he's surprising me. And this is very. Steven Crowder coded like to have clips. just so you guys in the background. We. told them if you want to send us clips. ahead of time and as you saw we had no. clips planned. We just said we just want. fact checkers in there because there may. we may arrive at certain points where we.

dispute what we're saying and rather. than going back and forth with like yes. they did say this or yes she did or. Kathy Messer did we can just ask them to. do a quick fact check and because. there's a lot of information going on in. this case and sometimes you just. genuinely forget things as I did. genuinely I didn't accuse him of lying I. said I don't remember uh the text about. the surveillance thing can we get a fact. check on that and we did that that was. the purpose of having fact checkers. never did I imagine of course because he. didn't share who his team was or I maybe. would have considered it that he was. what he really spent his time doing. while I was prepping for the debate. He.

was prepping to try to do some gotcha. clips and to come in as Erica Kirk's. lawyer. You know, she he I'm not with. Turning Point USA, but if I I got to get. you on record with defaming Turning. Point USA. And he did this in a way that. could not have been more obvious of. trying to sort of trick me into a. lawsuit. Take a listen. Do. >> you have any evidence that Erica Kirk or. TPUSA participated in the murder of. Charlie Kirk? >> I've never said they participated in the. murder of Charlie Kirk. So, how could I.

say that I have evidence they. participated in the murder of Charlie. Kirk? >> Okay. So, then you don't believe that. they did. >> I never have said that statement. So, I'm not going to get you to ask me. personal questions about things that. I've never said on record. >> Okay. That officer, the first officer. that was up on the roof, >> do you remember his name? >> Officer Bagley. >> Yeah. What was his first name? >> Christopher. Christopher. Um, when. Christopher got up on the roof, you talk. a lot about how his camera died. >> Well, he talked a lot about that during.

>> his camera died. Yeah. >> Do you think that he planted that. screwdriver up there? >> No. >> No. Who do you think planted it? >> I if we're just going on my Am I allowed. to have an opinion? >> Of course. Uh, at this stage, I would. say that I I don't buy his um assertion. on the stand that he didn't check to see. if anybody went onto the rooftop before. um he got up there. I I do think that. it's possible. It's at least plausible. that the the uh screwdriver was planted. I don't believe him. What I can say. strongly is that his uh cam died at just.

the right time. His body cam died at. just the right time. I think that as you. were just grilling me about whether or. not I had got the merchant receipt for a. debit card, that kind of makes difficult. that we just have to sort of trust that. a screwdriver was found and we don't. have any should be evidence of a police. body cam. That right there is why it is. impossible for me to think that Erica. Kirk is not complicit somehow. Cuz what.

>> that those two thoughts actually don't. even follow. How would it be the case. that even if Erica Kirk did believe that. Tyler Robinson was 100% responsible for. the death of Charlie Kirk, let's just. say she believed it with every fiber of. her being, believed all the evidence, cuz she did. She just actually did. >> Would it then follow that somehow she's. complicit in his death? >> I didn't say complicit in death. You. added those two words. >> Okay. So, what's she complicit in? >> Yes. Look at his face. You could just.

see it. You could just see the. dishonesty there, right? So, what she. complicit, it's like that sentence was. so planned. That was so planned. Complicit in his death. That's not what. we were discussing. We were talking. about the fact Erica, I forgive him, implies that Tyler Robinson is guilty. Tyler Robinson is up for the death. sentence. And when you are someone who. is going around signaling to the public. that this person did it, and we assume. that you have more evidence, you've seen.

something, which was the broad. assumption as I explained, and it comes. to find out that you had nothing. different than the public had, people. are going to go, "This feels wrong. This. feels like wrongdoing." Like you're you. you're potentially, you know, getting a. jury could what could be a jury to. believe that this is the person who. committed murder and the consequence he. will face is death. So, I could just see. that move there if that was so daily. wire coded, I would say. Um, they love. lawsuits, they love legal enttrapments. That's what that felt like to me. And I.

could sense it from a mile away. And. then I could sense that he was growing. frustrated that I would not take the. bait. I'm smarter than that. And I then. called him out for having played three. Erica clips like in a row. You're. sitting here saying you're not here on. behalf of of Turning Point USA. But you. start with an opening text that only. Turning Point USA could have given you. that they have not given to the public. And now you're playing three clips in. defense of her. Yeah. That then led to. because he started getting agitated that. I didn't take the bait. So he's like. failed on one, he's failed on two. That.

then led to the internet's most awkward. silence where he just says that I'm not. allowed to speak. And by the way, because he lies with confidence, people. who were watching this thought that. there must have been something. contractually that prevented me from. speaking or allowed him to pepper. questions at me. Both are false. That's. what makes this especially funny. There. is absolutely no contract clause that I. allowed him to sit me for deposition. because I I refused it immediately. I. was like, "That just sounds crazy." And. there was no contract clause that. suggested that I couldn't ask him.

questions at any point in our. discussion. Not even kind of sort of. He. was just genuinely coming apart and. growing really antsy. And he lies with. so much confidence that the internet. just assumed like, "No, there must be. something." No, I I there was nothing. Here's that painful painful internet. silence. >> Yeah. I I mean, can I ask a question? I. know it's been or or like can I ask a. question? Are we. >> not really? We're I'm just going to.

we're going to hold to the actual. contract itself. >> The contract is does not say that you. are allowed to just question me without. me being able to respond to you. >> I've never said you can't. >> or have a conversation. >> You've been able to respond to every. question I've asked you. And by the way, the the other thing is is like. >> let's have it your way. I want it to. look like we've done everything Andrew. wanted to so that people can fairly. assess the situation. So you have it. your way. I will not ask a question. >> Totally fair with me. >> So are you Goodwood who are asking the. question or no? He said no. Waiting for.

the clip. >> Okay. So you want to wait for the clip. first. >> Okay. >> You guys have it in the back. >> Okay. Beautiful. You need the Jeopardy team told me they. had it. So. >> that's what I heard. >> Okay, there we go. >> Come on, guys.

>> Like was so painful. So what I think. happened was cuz I called him out. I I. said like you have four Erica Kirks and. he was like it wasn't four and PBD is. like it was three. I think what happened. was they had another Erica Kirk in Q and. then they just abandoned it. They just. were like we can't run this and so then. they ran this totally irrelevant uh what. was supposed to be a Lance bomb but I. naturally corrected myself very early on. in our discussion. Um and I didn't. realize that he was plotting this as.

some like big explosion like K has got. it wrong. They never officially said. that Lance's DNA was on the rifle and so. they just kind of played that and it was. weird and I allowed it. I totally. allowed the silence because a never get. in the way of your opponent when they're. making a mistake. It was such a. completely nutty thing to say and to do. No, I'm just going to wait for the clip. You can't say anything. And it was a. lie. And I thought, let him do this. because it's just going to demonstrate. his emotional instability that he is. trying to assert control because he.

knows that he's lost it. Also, I was not. going to argue with him about a. non-existent contract clause and waste. energy. I mean, the out just debate. about the contract seemed ridiculous. And lastly, if you consider it, I made. $41863. during that 16-second silence. What is. there to complain about? You want me to. be quiet? What do you Okay, okay, I got. you. I'll be silent. That's a lot of. money to make to be quiet. Then came the. most viral moment after he um permitted.

me to speak again after the clip was a. nothing burger. It and it happened. accidentally. Okay. So I felt bad that. viewers had to listen through him sing. for Erica for so long. We had agreed to. discuss this case. I as you know had. said to him, "We should discuss the. screwdriver. We should discuss the. towel." And I tried to then change the. topic back to the case. And I made the. wrong assumption that Andrew Wilson had. read the last filing, the filing for.

dismissal, which dropped 2 days before. our debate. And my positive evidence for. that assumption was that Andrew Wilson. himself had tweeted about the filing as. though it was helpful to his case. He. tweeted about the filing and they were. all lying about what the filing was. And. here he retweeted um somebody else who. said skimmed it. The Tyler Robinson. dispense defense is on absolute life. support. And then he wrote back, "Picked. a hell of a week." So I was like, "Obviously, he he must have read this filing." And I. read through the filing and just to show.

you, as I do with everything, for those of. you guys who've been following me since. the Blake thing, marked it up, took. notes, and thoughts there were some. really compelling arguments here. So I. like came prepared that we were going to. discuss the most recent filing as one of. his wrong talking points that the Tyler. Robinson admitted to the text messages. being real or one thing or another. So, um, I also just sort of thought that. even if he didn't read the book, he. would have at least read the last.

chapter before taking the exam. You know. what I mean? Every person knows that if. you're going to try to BS and pretend. that you read the book, you better read. the last chapter in case a character. dies before you try to write an essay, right? And I was wrong. I was floored. when I saw him again do that obvious. tell of his false bravado. He just lies. Of course, the the manner that this man. lies, it should be taught in a in a. psych course. I've I've never seen. anything like it. And I and I just. recognized it. Now, I was familiar with.

his style. When I asked him which charge. specifically he thought Tyler Robinson. was guilty of, it was because I wanted. to make sure I didn't make an assumption. that he was more flexible in other. areas. As we as we dove into this recent. filing and he when he did the false, of. course, bring it up. I went, "Oh, he doesn't know any of them." And so, this obviously became the most discussed. moment. This man came in to debate Tyler. Robinson's guilt and did not know guilty.

of what? Take a listen. Which one of the charges against or or. all of them do you think Tyler Robinson. is guilty of? >> Um, the specific charge. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, I think what I think is that. um Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk. >> Yeah. But of the seven charges that he's. he's being charged. >> Yeah. Can we list them real quick? I'll. tell you exactly which ones. We'll pull. them up. >> Well, do do you know any of the charges.

he's up for right now? >> Yeah, of course. But I want to make sure. that we have them listed. >> Yeah. But but like that's can you name. one? Because my my general perspective. is that you don't actually care about. this case. You're not following it. That's the that's the question. You're. just not following it enough. It seems. pretty like if you're going to engage. and you're going to say the evidence is. overwhelming that Tyler Robinson is. guilty. I just think that you should. like Can you tell me one. >> then? Let's do the counter. You can. really hang out. This is a great. >> No, no. You just got to ask me play. clips out of context. Put me in the hot. seat. So, please just answer the. question.

>> Fair. Name all seven since you've been. following the case. >> Okay. Sure. You name You name one. >> Yeah, you name all seven. >> I'm happy to do that, but can you name. one? >> Uh, I think he's I think he's been. charged with murder. >> That's actually incorrect. >> Okay, great. Now, name all seven. He. doesn't even This is like. >> Name all seven. >> and and and I I. >> Can you name all seven? >> I I can't. >> Then do it. >> Sure. You don't have to put. >> it. No, do it. I'll count them. Go. ahead. >> You don't have to put your fingers up. I. >> Okay, hang on. Name them. >> Yeah, sure. >> Name them. >> Uh the first charge is aggravated murder. because that's what carries the death. sentence in the state of No, that's not.

that is literally not murder. >> Okay. >> And so just people No, don't I don't. have to do it in a time limit. There's. nothing going on. And just to explain to. people the difference of why that really. matters and shows that he doesn't. actually care about this at all is. because aggravated murder uh it's it's. narrowly defined and it carries a death. sentence. I'm not I'm going to answer. the question. You're just going to. recognize that your strategy of thinking. that people are intimidated when you try. to put a time constraint doesn't work. and you'll be better the next time you. debate. >> I got it. I got it. Give me Give me the. other ones. >> If the more you cut me off, the longer. I'll take. Do you want to just wait for. me to finish of why that's a big. difference? So that.

>> I want you to list the charges. >> Yeah, I'm going to do that. You just. don't get to pretend that there's a time. constraint for me to do that. >> Well, how how long does it take you to. list seven charges? >> I'm cuz I'm speaking. You just got to. >> It sounds like you're just delaying it. because you don't know them. >> I I know all seven of them. And I'm. going to say again cuz you're going to. get embarrassed. I You don't have to. rush this. I'm also showing an example. of a very flawed debate strategy. I. actually am under no time constraint. >> I got one. >> Great. The second charge is the felony. discharge of a weapon. Uh the next two.

charges are for obstruction of justice. Okay. >> The next two charges are for witness. temp tampering. And the final. >> What's the specific charges though? >> That is them. Obstruction of justice. Obstruction of justice. Witness. tampering. Witness tampering. >> Okay. W And there's no other specifics. to them. >> Well, we I can tell you why he's being. >> No, no, no. Just the the charges and. then seven. >> Yeah. See, the bad thing is when you try. to be an a-hole and it doesn't work. >> What's the seventh? >> The last charge is uh violence in front. of a minor. >> Okay. Got it. So then he's being charged. with murder.

>> Shook, shaken. I I mean, like, it's just. I can't even imagine what it must be. like. I mean, I know his wife is equally. as bad, but just he's just such a liar. Like, why why say of course? Why not. just say I actually don't know the. specific charges? Which would have been. crazy, but he then he just he it's this. false provider. This is how he debates. He just lies confidently and just lies. And then when you recognize it and you. call him out, I'm a lie. He falls apart.

and he starts sticking more and more and. more into the chair, sweating, developed. some things in his teeth, you know, and. I just that entire personality of a man. just could never it could never drive. with me. Like I would never for a single. second be intimidated by that because. it's like I said false bravado. There's. nothing here that's remotely. intimidating. You're just an idiot. dressed up as some like blood sport. debater, bro. Well, there's nothing. weaker than not just saying, "Oh, I. don't know that. I would like to know. what the answer to that is." And I was.

hoping we would actually be able to have. that constructive dialogue. I was upset. that we could not spend more time. discussing this case. And once that. happened, he was he was completely. deflated. I mean, Andrew Wilson was very. lost. And it was almost like he had to. remember things they wanted him to bring. up. Um, it was very obvious that his. foot just wanted out. I think his foot. wanted to tell the truth. The foot was. just it wanted out. They were like, "Oh, the foot holds the truth." you know, Andrew lies, but the foot is just. doesn't want to be there. His boot, he. was literally shaking in his boots.

Some I don't know what was going on. there. And he couldn't kind of regain. any sort of composure. I didn't understand anything he was. getting at beyond that. He started that. bizarre inquisition about my show's. timeline, demanding to know why it was. my show's official timeline and why I. had included Tyler Robinson and. Penguitch eating a steak. He I don't. know if he's just averse to. organization. Like I love organizing. timelines make sense to me. I love. highlighting them. I love putting. timestamps. I'm very proud of that. I I.

don't know what he was getting at. He. just wanted to know. I'm like, I spoke. to the owner. The owner told me that he. pulled the receipt that it was Tyler. Robinson's receipt. Um and so I included. this on my timeline and then the receipt. that was shared was the real receipt. And then he's like, "Well, why didn't. you ask the merchant?" Like he's like, "This is still not evidence. You got to. call you gota you got to call Visa and. Mastercard. I mean, take a listen to. what he said. It was so absurd. >> Well, the reason I'm asking you is. because you always include it in your. timeline that he traveled to the.

steakhouse. >> Yeah, we've been building a timeline. with things that we feel are. >> But is there any actual. >> You saw 11:02 approved. I think speaking. to the owner, knowing that there's a. receipt, seeing the receipt, uh, is good. enough to put on on our timeline. >> But the receipt itself, the question I. always had about it is, couldn't you. just call the merchant? Like if I've. ever had a merchant account, I just call. the merchant account processor and say, "What's the name on this?". >> Yeah, I would I would stay tuned. I I. feel that the haven't spoken to the. owner that the evidence is compelling. enough to put onto my personal timeline.

of what took place on that day. That's. where it's going to stay. And if it gets. debunked, I'm happy to take it off if. that's what you mean. That's how an. investigation works. >> Um like I said, I did more than enough. It would definitely pass the test by the. Utah 1102 rule for sure. For certain. >> to be submitted as hearsay. >> Well, yeah, beyond that cuz they didn't. even have receipts. They were like Bob. told me. >> But the question But the question is the. receipt itself has not been verified to.

have been Tyler. >> I just want to say you're holding me to. a higher standard than you are. >> I'm not even holding asking. specifically. >> Yeah. I I I've been very forthcoming. I. told exactly what happened. I spoke to. the owner. I got the tip and I. >> So, should that be added in an official. timeline that you. >> It's in my timeline. It's my show and we. can add and subtract what we want and we. do if we. >> can do what you want. Sure. But I'm. asking should you include a thing that. you know hasn't actually been verified. to be Tyler Robinson? >> Yes, you should. If we're trying to. build a timeline, you should Yeah. >> You don't think that that falls under? >> You should remove it if you if someone.

somehow debunks it. But I think that the. there is very strong evidence that that. is where he was and that. >> What's the strong evidence? Just the two. people who said that they saw him. You. know, I'm I'm actually all good with be. I I I feel like I've sufficiently. answered your question about how I got. the information, what happened next. Uh. would the next stage of this. investigation being somebody accessing. his knowing what his debit card was and. confirming it? Yes. And I do believe. that that will happen. If it does not. happen and it gets debunked, I'll remove. it from my personal timeline that I. share on my show.

>> He's like the first person account of. the server saying that he served him. They contacted the FBI. He shared his. experience. He recognized Tyler Robinson. on the news. He gave an interview. The. owner, uh, I spoke to him. He said, he's. like, "That none of that is positive. evidence. I'm legitimately held to a higher. standard than the FBI." Meanwhile, we. got the lead investigator of the case up. there, and they're asking him during the. preliminary hearing, "How did you know.

that the maroon person walking up the. stairs was the same person as the. individual who was wearing the black. shirt later that day?" And he says they. were both wearing Converse sneakers. Andrew says that's compelling. Tweets. that that's a part of the overwhelming. evidence. Okay, they're both me. Did you. call Visa and Mastercard beyond speaking. to all of these people? Beyond the. receipt, did you call to confirm Visa. but the merchant that this was in fact.

the Tyler Robinson who was up? No. Actually, I haven't done that. But you. know what? My timeline's going to stay. my time. I'm proud of my timeline. I'm a. very organized person. My pantry is very. clean. I love the Container Store. I use. label makers for everything. Even my. seasonings in my cabinet. I have label. makers in my refrigerator. So, I will not allow you to tell me. about how my timeline should be. organized. That's what I want to say. I. almost lost it there. Suburban moms who.

have organized pantries, stand up. At. the end of the day, I am so embarrassed. for Turning Point USA. I I I cannot. imagine Erica hugging this person. I've. got I've got to show you guys more clips. of him. He is literally disgusting, right? and they thought this guy uh was. going to be able to take me down. I was. trained by Charlie Kirk and they sent me. Andrew Wilson. But I will say on a positive note, it. was bittersweet because it was just. amazing to remember all of those things.

that Charlie told me not to do, not to. fall for. Don't start attacking him. personally. I did not engage in that. He. opened with that uh ad hominant attacks. uh against me. Um remembering to always. overstudy like I took it very seriously. Obviously, I was not playing gotcha. clips. Um, but I was marking up filings, reminding myself, re-watching the. preliminary hearing, uh, going back to. the timeline to remind myself because so. much has transpired obviously in 11. months. And Charlie used to always tell. me that you see people get crushed in.

these sorts of debates who are. overconfident and then there's just like. the one kid who asks a question that. throws them off and it goes viral. So, never underestimate your opponent. I. didn't know what to expect. Um, and I. didn't obviously not expect that he was. just going to be one of these weird. middle-aged men with gotcha clips. I I. thought he was genuinely going to read. at least one of the case filings or know. what the charge is, but it was it was, like I said, good to go through that. again. And I to be studying to do the. the thing that he said with the note. cards. I did every single thing uh that.

Charlie told me to do and to stay calm. when they're trying to poke you. Be. aware of people that are trying to put. you into these sorts of legal traps. And. it genuinely when it concluded we were. just like cheering. We were so happy. Uh. bittersweet obviously because you I. never thought in any of that um learning. with Charlie that it would one day be me. debating someone that his organization. clearly sent. Uh but such is life and. I'm happy that it is me that is exposing.

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was unwatchable. No one I couldn't even. watch it. I couldn't even watch it. So, it doesn't even matter how anybody did. Um, and everyone who was backing him. just sort of backed off immediately. And. they're they're doing their best, but. they they can't they can't pretend. Uh, the memes have been exceptional from the. left and from the right. They have been. exceptional, mocking him. It's amazing. to see. This man is not a conservative, by the way. I I'm so sick of these like. wannabe. like sealist people that come out and. then just call themselves conservatives, but obviously live their lives in a way.

that is anything but. They're complete. frauds. I'm going to go through some of. my favorite memes. Andrew first off. coming out and declaring that he won. by asking uh not chat GPT he asked. Claude and Claude told him since every. poll said he didn't win with humans. He. then went to Claude and drumed up a. conversation I guess and Claude told him. he really was the winner. He really was. the winner. You everyone who's a human. didn't like you but the robot community. loves you. And um he did tweeted this.

Every AI source will say I won. This was. never in question. specific AI programs. built for this purpose. He actually. ended up getting a fact check on this. and people explained that it's just AI. is scraping from establishment sources. and we all know the establishment is. behind Jingpoint USA. But um there's. just this is just the most pathetic. thing I've ever seen. He literally. crashed markets by the way during the. debate. I didn't know that Poly Market. had odds on whether or not Tyler. Robinson would be convicted. And during.

the debates, the odds crashed. That that. represents our debate day. You see that. line going down. That is how poorly he. performed. Tyler Robinson victim of. homicide dropped into the 30s. I think. it hit 34% during our debate. Uh which. was positively hilarious. But um the I'm. going to show you some of my favorite. memes. So you might have seen on the. thumbnail if you are not following this. account. I think it's wear forbidden.

clothing is the at handle. I want to. make sure I get that correct. They are. so funny for years actually. I've been. following them. They are so funny. But. this video that they created, this AI. video which went viral this weekend and. which is represented as I said on my. thumbnail just tickled me so much of. Erica calling in uh Andrew after that. abysmal performance. Take a listen and a. watch of this. >> Wait, wait. I can explain. >> Shabbad shalom, Andrew.

>> What? >> We invested a lot in you. >> I was having nicotine withdrawal. The. chair was uncomfortable. I barely slept. My foot was. >> silence. >> She asked you to name one of the seven. charges. You said positive evidence 47. times. >> It was a framework. >> 47 times. Andrew, >> bring me the jar. >> No. >> No. Please. Not the pickles. jars wide shut. And uh just to correct.

that, the handle is at whereforbidden. um on X. And the reason why it's jars. wide shut is because this goes back to a. moment where he was being disrespectful. to a woman who couldn't open a jar, I. think it was actually of olives or. pickles on the whatever podcast. And he. was smoking a cigarette and then they. she said, "Okay, then you open it." And. he couldn't open it. So now he's kind of. called pickle boy. And that again, his. false bravado all the time is what gets. him uh into these circumstances. I. absolutely loved that. I also loved the. stages of grief. Everybody grieavves.

differently. So he's grieving by first. talking to Claude. The five stages of. debate grief. This is from at alpha. approved. They write denial. I totally. won that debate. Number two, anger. That. was rigged. Biased. Unfair. That's. actually going to happen. His wife. Uh. number three, bargaining. Okay, maybe I. lost, but Candace is worse. Number four, depression. Why do I even debate? number. five acceptance which will come which. will say he will come out and say all. right maybe I should have prepared maybe. I should have known one of the charges. we are at phase one and we are also at.

phase two which I can give you an. example of his wife trying to suggest. that we maybe rigged the mic pieces is. is crazy okay I have one in my ear right. now it allows us to hear what the. producers are saying as I told you uh. his guy Rob who was very professional. and kind so no shade to Rob was sitting. next to them and they were that's why he. was s saying could you pull a clip or. whatever. His team was right next to my. team and these earpieces do not work. beyond 15 ft out of out of the um.

control room. So they just and Andrew. will tell you that every time he got up. he had to reset it. They don't work. So. there's no one else that could possibly. be talking in your ear because of the. structure of our walls. Uh, so anyway, Rachel responds, who's his like horrific. wife, responds to somebody trying to. pretend that I was receiving intel on. that last question because they're still. coping over this. Was Candace Owens. being fed answers? Something about the. debate caught my attention. Both Candace. and uh, Andrew appeared to be wearing.

in-ear monitors, so what are these. actually used for? And he kind of goes. through all this. I literally turned. these people into a conspiracy theorist. by the end of it. He started off by. calling us conspiracy theorists. And. then by the end of it, he was going. through my phone and thought that I was. texting people for answers. That's. amazing. That's a flawless victory. That's a flawless victory to end it with. him suggesting a conspiracy where what I. was actually doing when he came back in. my chair cuz I barely got up. I. literally only got up one time that. entire he went up every break. I did not. get up. I was tweeting. You guys saw me. tweet right before that. I sent one.

tweet. I texted nobody during the entire. debate because I I was focused. I was. locked in. But then I was like, I'm. going to send a funny tweet because I. feel pretty confident I won this. And. when he came back, he saw me doing that. and thought that I texted someone. Uh, which is very funny. And guess what? The. answer to a conspiracy theory, I. demonstrated for him. Here's my phone. Just answer the question. Make the. person feel comfortable. You don't have. to go crazy. And it's the one thing. Turning Point USA does not want to do at. all is answer any questions. They just. want to send these debate bros, I guess,

out. But this was absolutely hilarious. that that I thought that meme was. fantastic. We also created our own meme. because I used to be anti. Turning Point USA shills. But he's. different. I don't want anybody. referring to Andrew Wilson as a paid. show. Andrew Wilson's not a paid show. This is like the Drizzy meme. TPUSA. sending paid shills. Not cool. TPUSA. sending shills that pay. We're with it. We're with it. Send Send more. Turning. Point. That's how you'll show them. Pay. $100,000 an hour to be embarrassed.

genius. What a great idea. That's. amazing. That's my new rate. $100,000 if. you want me to embarrass you. Must he's. must be into that or whatever. Um. anyways, uh his wife had responded to. that and pretended like tried to add to. it like I know that they had headpieces, but I'm not really sure why they had. these headpieces. I believe the contract. stipulated that each of them was allowed. to wear an earpiece. That's just a lie. Why do they lie so much? Why do they lie. all the time? No, the earpieces which he.

and I were sharing left and right were. just just a producer, our producers, we. all heard the exact same thing and PBD. had a direct line to them. Uh then this. cope was hilarious because obviously. Steven Crowder is somehow invested in. this and you know just never growing up. and he when he did the I guess he was on. the phone with Andrew Wilson right after. the debate was speaking to him. He kind. of tried to imply like one way that we. tried to hurt him was by not providing. him with hair and makeup because he.

looked like he was sweating. Like that. was our fault or something. Take a. listen to this absurd exchange. >> Did they Nixon JFK you? Cuz she has a. full stylist and makeup crew. Did they. give you makeup and uh like No, no, no. You looked a little bit. >> I would have refused. >> You looked a little bit shiny. >> You looked a little shiny. >> You looked a little shiny. >> Yeah, it looked a little shiny. It. happens. >> I don't even know what to say about it's.

just it's like first and foremost we do. not have like again asserting something. confidently and lying. I know they have. wardrobe. We do not have and nor have we. ever had wardrobe. We do not have a. full-time makeup artist. We not we do. not have a uh full-time hair stylist. None of that. So in between takes, I. take care of myself always. That's it. Everybody knows that my cousin does my. hair. She's the one that gives me the. blowouts and takes care of my hair. People have known this for years since. before I was even a podcaster. She has. been taking care of my hair. And our. makeup artist was actually off that day.

She does a glamand go though. So it's. like in the morning she comes in and. then she leaves. So this being a point. like like as if PBD somebody was coming. out and flying in and making him look. good and making me look good. That this. is how much these people were coping. like trying to find a conspiracy to make. it seem like there was something that. was not fair. If you look greasy, pull. up a mirror instead of going out and. getting having a cigarette and having a. smoke and, you know, powder your own. face. I don't know what to tell you. We're a small team and we're just not We. don't care about things like that. We.

don't want to spend a bunch of money on. things to make ourselves feel important. And my favorite of the copes was his. wife conceding exactly what us. conspiracy theorists have been saying. since the very beginning is that. actually the grifters are these people. They know nothing about the case at all. they just want to go on TV and say, "Oh, this person's scared of me. This person. won't debate. They don't know anything.". So, she writes this long tweet. Um, and. it's right there in yellow. She says, "Of course, Candace will know the.

details better." So, she admits I knew. the details better. She's been covering. this day in and day out for 11 months. and doing practically nothing else. Andrew had about six days to prepare. There's no way he was going to beat her. on having more knowledge of the details. Goodness, Rachel. Wow. This is a wife. that like So, she admits that I beat him. on that a which stands against his I won. the debate, but also she admits he. doesn't care about this. He walked into. Turning Point USA headquarters in June.

and came out flashing around money and. suddenly tweeting at me and attacking me. because that's what they orchestrate at. Turning Point USA headquarters. This is. no longer a serious organization that. cares about whether or not people are. living their lives admirably. This is no. longer I mean it is crazy to me that if. you just go through the clips and. learning about Andrew and Rachel Wilson. that this is who they tied their horse. to. This is who they're feeding. information to that any person would. willfully donate to them. That any. person would want their child to sign up. for this conservative organization that.

is not representing conservative. principles. My opinion, by the way, where's my positive evidence for it? Andrew Wilson. Is that positive. evidence? I don't know. What's what what. does it all mean? Can it can it be my. opinion that Turning Point USA is a. dumpster fire? Cuz that's what it is. I. do want to address this very quickly. I. realize we are now way over time. I. don't know if we're going to have time. for book club because I didn't realize I. had so many words to say. But um. people were randomly as soon as I said I. would take it. So first it's she's. scared, she's scared, she's scared.

There's money on the table and that's. what I'm doing wrong. I'm being scared. and not taking the money. Then I take. the money. Exactly what he offers. 300k. and I'm a bad guy because how could I. take the money? These people are insane. They're just insane. There's no way to. make them happy. They can't leave you. alone and let you just investigate the. case because you got you got to the. money's on the table. And then they they. chastise you for taking the money. And. they were all instantly like Candace. needs to establish a trust for Erica. Kirk. Like the people outside of Michael. Noles, the people that I absolutely. despise, all saying this in unison that. I need to donate this money and.

establish a trust for Charlie's. children. Um, and then people just. randomly tell me what I should do with. the money. Like for example, this. person, multi-millionaire Candace Owens, should donate her victory money to Tyler. Robinson's defense if she really thinks. that he's innocent. Andrew Wilson put. his money where his mouth is. Why. doesn't Candace? Like, I didn't offer Tyler Robinson publicly, go across things and say, I'm gonna to. prove to people that I think he's. innocent. I'm gonna give. I never did.

that. I I don't do that those sorts of. things. That's not what I do. I'm not. braggadocious. And nor would any person. who knows the least bit about finance be. so stupid as to spend $300,000. uh to have a conversation with someone. who debates for free. Always do my. annual debates with Piers Morgan. They're for free. Been debating all. across college campus. I was doing that. for free. Um I've had debates with Rabbi. Schmoolie who I can't stand on Piers. Morgan for free. And so it's just so.

interesting that actually my entire life. all these people ever do is message me. kindly and respectfully and ask for a. debate. No one has to throw money. around. That's how it works. I've hosted. debates. There's been no money involved. This is unique because Turning Point USA. just hates me this much and were. obviously uh Blake Nef and Andrew Kvette. were retweeting him as he was going. after me and offering more and more. money. And now they think the solution. to that is for me to open a trust for. Charlie's children, which in a way, I.

know it's not, but it feels like. moneyaundering. The organization that's. hunting me. You want me to then give the. money uh to the person who would be in. control of that would at first of course. would be Erica. First and foremost, what. I want to say is there is there are a. few things I despise more than fake. altruism. People who do charity as a. part of a PR program and not because. it's necessary or needed. And Charlie. Kirk's children have been. multi-millionaires while he was alive. Um, and that increased in his death. Many people opened trusts, raised uh.

money. The last thing that Charlie. Kirk's children need are is more money. What they need is a stable parent. And. unfortunately, they I can't give them. that, right? I can't give them that. Mom. doesn't want to be home. Uh, dad can't. be home. And the one thing they need is. not a bunch of influencers using them as. a talking point and suggesting that 300. more K could plausibly make a. difference. And like I said, there's. something about it that just feels icky. Like the very people who sent the person. to hunt you are basically trying to.

create a peer pressure campaign for you. to give the money back. Like I just. that's not going to stand for me. And so. instead, what I would like to announce. that I'm doing with my money thus far, what I've decided, other than the fact. that I did go to Waffle House this. weekend, um is I'm going to take care of. the people who took care of me. Um as. this organization has fixated, sent. influencers is a part and parcel of. these group chats that are coming. together, protect Erica Kirk, of people. who have ma attempted to make our. children feel unsafe that they have.

gotten behind, retweeted, supported. Um, I'm gonna look out for those people. People like my sister. Um, if you want. an organization that's going to get. money from me, it's going to be the. Catholic Church, the priests that took. care of me emotionally when I was coming. apart with the realization that uh. Charlie and everything that he had. worked for, he was being he's been. betrayed. He has Charlie has been. betrayed. Everybody can see that. You. betray him every single day when you do. this sort these sorts of things. You. betray who he was. uh uh you you betray.

the friendships that he had. You lie. constantly about who he was, about the. things that he was thinking. Uh I am not. going to take any instruction from. Turning Point USA uh or any of their. affiliates or any of these neocon dogs. that they send out on what I should do. with money. It's just not going to. happen. So yeah, I'm going to take care. of my sisters. I'm going to give money. to the Catholic Church and then I'm. going to decide what I want to do. That's it. You were the ones who offered.

the money. You were the ones who. retweeted it. And so it's therefore. mine. You can skip all of your fake. altruism. Why don't you guys give more. money to that organization? Because the. direction that they're headed, I don't I. don't see that this is going to be an. organization in 10 years down the road. I see it crashing and burning like. everybody else does. And like I said, for the first time ever, the left and. the right are united in their disgust. for what this organization has become. And that was not a feeling that people.

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doesn't want people investigating um and. exploring other leads in the Charlie. Kirk assassination. Uh, boggles the mind. It really boggles. the mind. Top comments from the great. debate. Go Max Everyday writes, "Let me. begin by reading this message from my. sponsor, Turning Point USA." Yes, that. is what it felt like. It was absurd. It. had nothing to do with the debate. claims. Know your SC up. Second message. 75 to 85% confident Tyler did. It is. literally reasonable doubt. I am so glad. I didn't even look at the comments. My.

producers pulled this that you guys. clocked it as well. It's crazy that they. just concede the entire debate right at. the beginning. So, yes, you have a right. to pursue other leads. No, you do not. have to reach out to Visa and Mastercard. and speak to the merchant to do so. I. want you guys to know that. Um, I may. guys have to I didn't realize we were so. overtime um on Book Club, so we may need. to do that tomorrow. Um, we're finishing. the book and thank you to Book Club for. allowing me to bump Friday to.

accommodate the great debate. Comments. from today's episode. True Detective. writes, "Andrew Wilson's rules the. debate. Avoid knowing the facts of the. case. Pretend to be intelligent and. qualified. And don't mind that your left. foot is nodding in agreement with. Candace throughout the conversation. And. question when Andrew's wife makes him a. sandwich, is he expected to open the. pickle bar to pickle jar? I mean, that relationship is just odd at. space toxic. Like I said, you should go. look up clips of that. Like her. disgusting mouth and the things that she.

says on the whatever podcast and how she. speaks and they're branding themselves. as Orthodox Christians. and he said on. some stream that his wife went in and. spoke to the executives at Turning Point. USA. That's why I say Turning Point USA. is just over. Like we we can't this. Christian scop has to end. We just have. to stop pretending. Erica on her face is. I can't get a sentence out without. saying the Lord, the Lord, the Lord. She's hugging Andrew Wilson. These are. who is being brought into our. organization and given money to uh train. people to debate. I'm sorry people are.

clocking that. I'm sorry. It's not. positive. It's not positive evidence, but it feels like some evidence that the. whole brand is fraudulent now. It feels. like evidence that Turning Point USA is. now essentially trying to sell people. faux Christianity while they behave in. just the most detestable way behind the. scenes. And now it's in front of the. scenes. Like I said, I can't wait for. him to drop that message. They have. themselves in a pickle with that.

message. He says he's dropping it this. week. Do your thing, Andrew. Do your. thing. Um, we woke now writes in the. words of my grandmother, "He don't know. no better. Way to stay above the muck.". Yes, I was just not going to meet him on. his level. He came across as petty and. just these men are too old for this. Like, you know what I mean? He's almost. 50. Stephen Grouter's 40. Like, grow up. Be professional. What are you What are. you all doing with these accounts that. you're dedicating to tweeting about. Candace Owens 90 times a day? Find.

something that gives you purpose and go. after it. I don't know you. I don't know. these people. Like, it's crazy. I. literally have never met Steven Crowder. So, that entire obsession with me is is. just because I covered when he was. bulling his wife and said it was gross. because it was. It just was. Chris. Angelo writes, "One thing that is. actually overwhelming is how proud. Charlie is of you as he smiles from. heaven. The Holy Spirit truly gave you. the patience and discernment needed for. the debate. Keep going, Max, for the. truth and for Charlie Christ." Thank you.

for saying that. And like I said, that. was the bittersweet thing is I was. reminded of just I really feel like I. have this, Charlie. No, you should still. go over everything because it just takes. one question and uh for someone to throw. you off your game, you have to stay. updated. And I did all of that. Um and. I'm glad that it worked out. Jenna. wrote, "You were amazing in the debate. I offered my daily mass and rosary for. you on Friday. I am so proud of you. Such a role model for my four do for my. four daughters. Christ is king. Yeah, that's one of the first things I did. I. went to I went to a Saturday mass and.

just thank the Lord, you know, just for. the ability. um to communicate in a way and to have. the opportunity to expose what we all. know is going on. And that's by the way. the real purpose of what Andrew was. doing was to distract us uh with. nothingness. They brought no new people. to their side. It just the same. establishment media trying to convince. you that you should not believe your own. eyes and your ears and that's that's. what we have right now. That's what. we're living right now. Riley England. writes, "Canis, what a masterclass for.

how gracefully and brilliantly you. defend your convictions with facts. We. all know you did this for Charlie. You. displayed a restraint in a class that I. look up to and you clearly owned. Pickles. Lol St. Jonavar, pray for us.". Indeed, that is my patron patron saint. And um I I hope that people did learn. that you just stay calm. And yeah, I. could have forced and been like, I want. to just talk about the case, but I like. I said, I actually know that my audience. is smarter than that. I believe in my. audience. I know people can see through. that. They saw right through him in the.

same way that I saw through him live. Maddening to hear him keep telling us. stuff happened 5 seconds ago that didn't. happen 5 seconds ago, but say it with. like smuggness and arrogance. You said. it. You said this. No, I literally. didn't say that. Like, you don't have. magical powers here, sir. Zamit writes, "I think Andrew Wilson was hoping to. open the pickle jar with the screwdriver. that they planted on the rooftop.". Indeed. Cowins writes, "Um, thank you, Candace. Followed you since Fox News. You're no more on Fox. Thank God for. you." And Charlie with love. Uh, thank.

you. And Jay Beam writes, "It really. freaks me out that Andrew said,"You. could just not do what you are doing, seeking the truth and asking questions. and be okay." He he said that quote, "You could just not do what you're doing. and be okay." It's almost as if he is. aware or realized on air that you are. close to the truth. Totally creepy for. him to say that. A bit worried. It was. strange to me that he so instantly. jumped into the Israel and France. narrative, which by the way, people. would add that to why they think Israel.

is sus because why does it take and. require so many people to try to tell us. that Israel is not involved? Why is that. a priority for you at all? Your debate. claim is the evidence is overwhelming. that Tyler Robinson did it. If the. evidence is truly overwhelming that. Tyler Robinson did it, you defending and. proving your debate claim would take. care of the Israel one. But he doesn't. want to do that. He doesn't want to talk. about or defend the claim. Amy and I. want to go, why do you think Israel did. it? Where is your positive evidence? My. positive evidence is you sitting here. right now prioritizing defending Israel. rather than your claim. It's sus. People.

think it's suspicious because it is. You. keep trying to force this Israel didn't. do it narrative and the more that you do. it, we go. just doesn't make sense trying to. constantly emphasize this. The best way. to prove Israel's innocence is to prove. Tyler Robinson's guilt. And you failed to do that. People should. take be taking a look at the Israel. narrative. We have a right to ask. questions. We're going to continue to do.

that. Um, true. I think I read that. Jenna, oh, I think I did. I read that. one as well. And I think I read them. all. I think I'm good, actually. Seven. sheets was the one I was missing. Seven. Sheets wrote, "I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you." Wow. We need merch. This will go down in. debate history. Kudos to your bravery. once again, but they must realize we are. Legion right behind you. God is with. you. Um, thank you so much for you guys. being with me. I think our audience. actually grew. The platform got bigger.

Um, and it's because telling the truth. Also, exercising humility is really. important. And if you learn anything. from this debate, like like if you don't. know something, just say you don't know. it. You're not required to be an expert. at everything. I didn't even dive into. it. sounded crazy when he said the. bullet split in air and caused air. It. It felt like another one of his. confident lies, but I wasn't going to. pretend to be a ballistics uh expert on. splitting bullets midair that create. air under your shirt and and I just.

trusted the internet. They will take a. look at that. The hunters, the common. sense people, we're going to go this man. is once again lying boldly about that. claim. And sure enough, we've already. seen videos of being of people just. going, he's clinically insane. I had Air. Force veterans me messaging me being. like, I cannot believe he said this on. your platform. And that's the point. This is how we grow. Uh this is how we. are Legion. Because people go, that is. such an absurd lie to tell that I now. need to look into what Candace has been.

saying. And so many people then go back. and they watch the content and they. recognize the holes. And we are doing. this because we know there's that. everything is wrong with the Charlie. Kirk narrative. Literally everything is. wrong with this narrative. And. like I say to you guys all the time, they're not going to get away with it. Positive evidence or not, I sense that. we are getting closer to the truth and. they are getting panicked. But here's. what I will say. There has to be a consequence for. Turning Point USA. There does there h. there has to. Vengeance does not belong.

to me, but the truth belongs to. everybody. And you know, there's nothing. I do better than sentencing them to more. truth. So get excited because tomorrow. we will be sentencing Turning Point USA. to more truth, which is what they want, more truth and transparency, right? You. send an absolute slob to my home to. debate me, to disrespect me by not just. being honest and forthright about who he. wanted to bring here uh to violate our.

rules of no filming where my children. play. We drop more truth. That's it. That's all. When Erica say that that's. it. That's all. Anyway, that will be. tomorrow. I am very already late on book. club. Do we have Can we do it tomorrow, Sky? Can we just check the calendar? I feel. like I have When am I doing? I think I have I'm doing um Dave Smith's. show, right?

That's at noon. Okay, hold on, guys. I'm. I I got to get you on the calendar. Just. give me a second. Wednesday. Cannot do. Yeah. But let's do Thursday. Yeah. Cuz I think I want to I I I um. want to pack going away with the husband. for uh our anniversary number seven. I. just casually have a conversation like. that where I can do this. I Yeah, I.

think we should do we should do. Thursday. Okay, perfect. All right, you guys. Um, book club people, I will see you on. Thursday. Um, get excited you guys for. tomorrow. I love when the punishment is. more truth. Your punishment is more. truth. Turning Point USA, we will see. you guys then.