Becoming Brigitte: Candace Owens x Xavier Poussard | Ep 6

Alright ladies and gentlemen, this is the moment  we have all been waiting for. I'm so excited to. share with you this interview with Xavier Poussard, the journalist who initially broke the Brigitte. Macron scandal via a publication he did multiple  Series in it collaborative work with Natacha Rey. who had helped him you'll hear about that. So much  is leading up to this moment obviously so I just. wanted to let you know when I sat down with him  at the end of last year never in a million years. could I have imagined that Emanuel Macron and  Brigitte would be sending me a legal letter. I.

believe because they knew that this interview  was going to be forthcoming and they did not. want this series to happen, and in many ways this  series may not have happened, had it not been. for me digging my feet further into the ground  simply because I believe in free speech and I. believe in information, and I believe that what  is happening in France is evil. Xavier Poussard has. never before this moment appeared on camera, he has been remarkably private about his work, he has dedicated years years of his life, has dealt  with the brunt of the what I would describe as a.

totalitarian government in France coming after  him and his family. He has uprooted his family. and had to move to Italy to make sure that they  were safe and make sure that they were protected, and of course he is not the only one. This  interview is a culmination of a year worth of. work, really a year, last year where I read just the  tip of the iceberg and recognized that this was an.

explosive story, and then when Xavier  Poussard and I initially sat down, and we just. showed a picture of him. YouTube moved to move to take the interview entirely off and essentially. said that we weren't allowed to discuss cults  or imply anything about cults, but we felt that. they had perhaps been contacted by someone with a lot of power. Well this time what we've done as. a response is we built an entire website where  we can put in interviews like this up without.

the fear of having them taken down, and of course that's at CandaceOwens.com, so what we're going to. do today is we're going to give you 15 minutes  of that interview with Xavier Poussard here on. YouTube, obviously making sure that nothing trips over any of their policies, and then the rest of. the interview will be available for free at  CandaceOwens.com so that you can watch it in. its entirety. Just to let you guys know when  he and I were sitting down, I was still trying to. comprehend elements of the story. So you may  hear me ask questions as the viewers would.

ask questions, trying to understand exactly  what it was that he was suggesting. That's why. we felt that making this a series so that  you guys could at least have the backing of. the first six episodes to comprehend what he is  saying, which I think most of you do now, was so. important to us so important to the team we have  put so much work into this, and I am just truly. humble in all of this grateful to Xavier Poussard,  Natacha Rey, and all of the journalists who have.

braved the French government really, and the  evil of the French government to bring us to this. moment. So without further ado, here is Xavier  Poussard... [Candace] Xavier I really don't even know where to begin here I already feel like this is going to  be the biggest Story of the Year and we're only. in January and so I think just for my audiences  and everybody worldwide just tell us how you. got involved in the Brigitte Macron/Emmanuel Macron  story, what your background is, and what piqued your interest.

[Xavier] So I got into this subject because I'm  interested in press portraits, and that means I specialize in unauthorized press portraits. The sort of things that people might not want somebody to say about them, but I do so with a conscience, and I do so as accurately as possible. [Candace] And so they sort of dropped this  biography Brigitte Macron, Emmanual Macron, uh there's this unofficial biography that gets dropped about them.

And what is the first thing that strikes you as peculiar? [Xavier] There was an over mediatization.  The mainstream media decided to very strongly attack the other candidates during the 2017  presidential election. Particularly Penelope Fillon, and sort of hail, and hail, and laud everything surrounding Emanuel Macron and Brigitte.

They were essentially attacking the far right, everyone apart from them. So they tried to paint this picture of Macron as being a sort of Mozart-esque figure. That he was very virtuous and precarious. They began forming a narrative that he had  met this woman when he was 17 years old. So this sort of this man of great precarious  nature. A conqueror, a virtuoso, who no one. could resist. Essentially just as Mozart was.

So the first lie was regarding age. A journalist had compiled a combination of the amount of  times it was noted that they initially spun. a narrative of him being 17 years old, and her  being 36. And so it was sort of this "brave man". you know going after the woman he loved at a  young age, because he was just a daring young. chap, so to say. Whereas in fact he was 14 at the  time and she was 39. Which turns it from a brave.

story into a story of pedophilia and the abuse  of a minor. When their real age was brought to light, there were many mechanisms of communication  in the play from the couple. They really played on the way the story was brought to the public.  It was sort of like Robert DeNiro and Dustin. Hoffman's movie Wag the Dog where they used a spin doctor, who brought certain messages to the public, to distract them from the actual true scandal  at hand. But there was a narrative spun of the difference in age being an issue between a man being younger, and a woman being of an older age.

Whereas the difference of age was exactly the same between for example Donald Trump and Melania, yet no one batted an eye there. However, the issue is not so much of the difference in age, and people sort of jumped on the bandwagon here and said. "Well, why? It's so unfair how a man with a more advanced age being with a younger woman is not  an issue, but the reverse is quite scandalous.". But that is not the issue here. It's an issue of the  age of macron at the time when he was 14.

So this is clearly the abuse of a minor rather than just having a salacious story of a difference between. the age of a man and a woman. [Candace] So essentially what  you're saying is the media tried to do the modern feminist spin on this. Somebody got involved and said "we'll take the feminist angle, the sexist angle, the misogynist angle, the ageist angle; and say you only notice this because it's an old woman, and why is that a problematic if it's  okay for Donald Trump to be dating Melania?".

It's actually a very smart way to try to spin it,  but you're going: "No, no, no, no. This is not about the age gap between because it's a man or a woman. Emanuel Macron was just 14 years old, and she was 39.". [Xavier] Actually Brigitte Macron was on the front page of the economist, and there was this constant push on the left to guilt people that the idea of patriarchal  society is not right.

They tried to portray Brigitte Macron as this Barbie doll or pinup to the public. I believe a firm noted that in 2018 there was more content on Brigitte Macron on the internet, than there was on David Beckham, who's obviously far more renowned. And the internet became saturated with  these curated pictures, and often doctored pictures, to make her seem appealing in a pinup, and focusing on her attire, etc. Rather than what was really going on. Insiders and power knew but the media  didn't focus on her increasing level of political importance,

which was far greater than most first  ladies had in the past. They saw there were no pictures of her, no pictures of her as a child, or as a mother. They saw there was no real background on her, and initially it was well-meaning for journalists. They just wanted to build upon this narrative which had been created around her, "she's this feminist icon, she's big in politics, let's tell her story." But they failed every time. They  always faced a brick wall in the end.

And I would just like to give you two quotes from journalists, who are not some conspiracy people. They're real journalists. The first is a woman named Virginie Linhart. She's Ashkenazi Jewish, and reports on the Holocaust and such topics on French television. She said "I needed photos of Brigitte Macron as a young woman with small children showing an itinerary, outside of those stamped by the best image agency. What doesn't come out is anything to do with  her former life. It's a total blackout.".

The second journalist is Sylvie Bommel, who does portraits in the French edition of Vanity Fair. She said while conducting her investigation: "It's like an episode of 'Black Mirror', where the president's offices have. found a way to penetrate the brains of his former  acquaintances, and erase everything.". So we are facing something completely incredible. All these journalists who are saying "let's tell the story of Brigitte Macron.".

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[Candace] So these are not conspiracy journalists, these aren't people on Reddit that are trying to make noise. What you're saying is these people were well-intended, they were interested in this feminist angle, they thought this is going to be an amazing story to cover how this woman came to power. Sort of like. doing a profile piece on Michelle Obama during  the Obama years, and they were sort of going. "Wait a minute. Where is this person? How did this person come to be? I've never seen such a black hole.".

And this kind of gets into maybe something you  never thought you were going to expect here as. you were digging into this you expected probably  some holes in the story, but not I guess what you discovered next. [Xavier] So what I do in my job is I archive things. This is what I really enjoy. I like going back into details and back into history and looking at people's problems. I had a bunch of people around me. My contacts in Paris, some mainstream journalist in the media who were.

egging me to say things. They said "Go on, this is  what you do." This is what I do. I take information. and share it when other journalists cannot. And all of the sudden, I came across someone in my informal. work surroundings, and he said: "This is a man. Like, surely you can see this is a man." As if it was the. most straightforward obvious comment he could make about it. Another one of my colleagues, he's a civil servant he calls her Amanda. Which  is a reference to Amanda Lear. There was a similar.

case, it's not well known in the United States, but  Amanda Lear she was a somewhat notorious figure, she was a muse to Salvador Dali, she was a singer and a television star. She's famous in France so. her biographies were written and rewritten, and  every time they were rewritten, there were small. discrepancies with dates and timelines. I got  the same impression when I read Brigitte Macron's. biographies. For example: the death of a sister in  1960, but we later learn it was 1961.Then the.

death of a niece the following year, but then when  we would go dig for the information we discover. actually in fact she died in 1966. Then she says  I bought my house we bought our house in the Le Touquet. in 1950. We'd then go dig, it was actually 1957.  And each time like that, the story is modified. So. in fact we say to ourselves "what is this thing?"  There was this element of creating complexity.

and confusion in order to essentially hide the  elephant in the room. Going back to Amanda Lear, Amanda Lear was born Alain Tap. He is very well known today. In fact, she was unmasked because at one time. in her life she called herself Peggy from Oslo and  she was actually Mick Jagger's drug dealer. So we are. still experiencing these very borderline behaviors.  My point is: this avenue of a transsexual persona.

has been created before. But it's very dangerous to try to delve into it because you run the risk of. being branded a madman. "Who is this man claiming this absurdity, is he crazy?" So I was facing that risk. I started talking to my broader network.  I started going to everyone I knew trying to. figure out what was going on, because I knew there was a story here, and I wanted to deepen myself. within the story. But the French, all in all, don't  realize what's going on. It's not really on their.

radar. They're not quite aware as to how big this  is. All of the sudden, I get a number from this girl. called Natacha Rey. She's just a normal citizen,  not a journalist. She claims to be able to prove. Brigitte Macron is a man. So we begin to exchange ideas and work together for a month. [Candace] And is this the moment when you were first introduced to, I guess, the name, the person. Jean-Michel Trogneux. Because prior to, there were essentially just no pictures of Brigitte Macron for 30 plus.

years of his or her life, and was it Natacha that  first brought forth the name to you, Jean-Michel Trogneux? [Xavier] So this is something interesting. I had  identified this name in the archives of documents. found in the commercial courts. I ordered a lot  of documents from the commercial courts called.

the INPI to trace companies. I was interested  in the Trogneux's, and I saw this name appear which. did not appear in the biographies. I realized that  Emmanuel Macron wasn't really selling well to the. public as a persona. He was in managerial positions and in hedge funds, and the public wasn't really. gripped by this. When they decided to create a  presidential candidate, they tried to focus more on. the background of Brigitte Macron's family, the Trogneux family, who are a family of chocolatiers from Amiens,

France, since it is a family which is rooted in the  real country, in the real economy. That is to say: they are not bankers at Rothchilds, they don't do  mergers and acquisitions; they make chocolates. They were even compared to the Kennedy's in the French press. At that moment we said to ourselves: "Why is there this insistence on each brother, each sister, each niece, etc. Except one: Jean-Michel Trogneux?". Jean-Michel was erased, and Natacha told me that a family photo which was supposed to have Brigitte.

on her mother's lap had been shown to the press  and she told me: "But look closely at the little boy. This is Jean-Michel Trogneux. By process of elimination it is Jean-Michel Trogneux, and this hidden brother if you. look closely is actually Brigitte Macron." She was  fully convinced and I thought it's very. disturbing, it's worth cross-checking. [Candace] So in America there's an expression. We say "the dog that doesn't bark." Right? So what's quite interesting is this is the dog that's not barking.

There's all of this information about all the  family members, and you recognize that there's no. information about this family member, and that photograph that we saw of their family in Amiens, I remember the first time that I saw that photo  because that's actually what got me involved in. the case. It was, for me, a matter of common sense. I just looked at the photo, and the Daily Mail was.

trying to tell me that the little girl on the  lap was young Brigitte, and I just looked over to. the left of the photo and I said "No, I have two  eyes obviously, I don't even know what the theory. is, but that's clearly Brigitte!" A very distinct face,  you don't, you can't really change your face, well. I guess you can, but it was very distinct to  me. So this is sort of what Natacha noticed is: You're looking at this family photo, you're looking  into Amiens, you're looking into this chocolatiers, and you're noticing that this boy on the left, you  don't know anything about whatsoever what happens next?

In an article I stated that, you know, this  is a legitimate question. It's one worth posing. Why is Brigitte hiding parts of her past, and why is there such an unwillingness to speak about Jean-Michel? What really prompted me to pursue this  question was when Natacha and I started speaking. about about this, they detained her on order of  a cousin of Brigitte Macron. Natacha would develop an.

in-depth thesis on how Brigitte Macron is Jean-Michel Trogneux, and who Brigitte's children actually belong to. We then realized further that one of the cousins  was trying to set us up by giving us details. which weren't quite accurate, essentially sending  us down the wrong avenues. They tried manipulating. Natacha, myself (since I relied on this thesis  for information), and another reporter as well. into pursuing these false leads. Perhaps on order  from the l’Elysée and the government itself.

[Candace] Okay, so that's fascinating because, and this was also something that, again, I always tell my listeners. just common sense, right? So I'm just thinking I'm  the first lady of France, I'm Candace. If somebody. comes to me and says "Hey, your brother doesn't  exist, or your sister doesn't exist." I'm going to. take an opportunity to do a press conference. I'm  going to stand next to my brother, and I'm going. to say "conspiracy theories are harmful, let's  put this to bed." I wouldn't contact the French.

equivalent to the Secret Service and have them  detain a journalist that's working on a story. That instantly flags me as very odd. So you're  saying in addition to this, they're also giving. you misinformation, ironically, and trying to get  you to arrive at the wrong conclusion. So you've. got intimidation, and you have misinformation, and all you're doing at this point is researching. You haven't even arrived at any conclusions but that's probably making you feel like "what's going on here?

Unfortunately you guys that is where we are  going to have to cut to the interview, as we said the last time we spoke with Xavier Poussard, our interview got taken down from YouTube, and we want to play it safe. So all of you can head to  CandaceOwens.com. and watch the interview in its entirety, the rest of the interview. For free, it's completely free of charge. The topic is way too. important for us to put it behind a paywall. We hope that you appreciate the conversation. and I can't wait to speak with you guys about it  on tomorrow's show. We'll see you then.