Another Person Fired For Criticizing Israel?! | Candace Ep 5

all right guys happy Friday nothing too. controversial today just one question is. America a Sovereign Nation or are we. being controlled by Israel I know I know. that question someday is probably going. to get me arrested I know this. anti-Semitism bill is making its way. through Congress and yeah uh I don't. know if we're going to be able to have. free speech anymore so let me get it all. out while we're still time well what we. have coming up for you is Briana Joy. Gray she's the former press secretary to. Bernie Sanders and she probably has. something to say about that question.

because she was recently fired from the. hill she claims it's because she. criticized Israel is Brianna just. anti-semitic I'm going to let you decide. because I believe that you can decide. when you hear people in their own words. that's what's coming up today on. [Applause]. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music]. Candace all right so it's getting pretty. weird out there I think we can all agree.

no I'm not going to say it but like you. know it seems like our country is being. held hostage by Israel okay I'm going to. get in so much over for that I don't. even care it's it's it's something's. cracking it's catalyzing the. conversation is moving because we are. seeing people that are having their. entire livelihoods destroyed for. critiquing a foreign nation that is an. absurdity was an absurdity think about. this in 2020 the United States. government announced that it was. considered considering Banning the.

Chinese social media platform Tik Tok. that was upon a request from then. president Donald Trump he viewed Tik Tok. as a national security threat so he. signed an executive order that same year. Banning Tik Tock in just 45 days if it. was not sold and guess what happened. that executive order got blocked the app. survived. until the app got on the wrong side of. Israel you guys remember this after. October 7th uh things on Tik Tok weren't. trending in the pro-israel way in fact.

it was very much trending in the Pro. Palestinian way and the adl's John. greenlot said yeah no this is a problem. and we have to deal with it let me jog. your memory here's what he said really. have a tick tock problem a gen Z problem. that our community needs to put the same. brains that gave us tag Le the same. brains that gave us all these other. amazing Innovations need to put our. energy toward this like fast because. again like we've been chasing this Left.

Right divide it's the wrong game the. real game is the next generation seems. like a really nice guy he just needs to. deal with this generational problem that. is Tik Tock and boy did he move fast. yeah the anti-Semitism bill which is. horrific made its way through the house. and it got passed somehow yeah forget. your your first amendment guys if you. got something to say about Israel yeah. you're you're going to be in big trouble. forget your first amendment if you even.

accuse someone who is Jewish of having. more allegiance to Israel than they do. to America you are going to be in. trouble forget forget the First. Amendment you guys if you have any. inclination as a Christian that you have. a right to believe in the story of Jesus. Christ that is our Doctrine he is our. Lord he's our savior well you better be. very careful if you're going to talk. about how the Jews played any sort of.

role in his persecution yeah cuz that's. what's in the antism bill being a. Christian will pretty much be be banned. if it gets passed so yeah things are are. pretty strange and it makes sense when. you consider the fact that Thomas Massie. my favorite Congressman in the entire. world because he seems to be the only. one that will stand up to. APAC recently went on tuer Carlson and. he had this to say take a listen every.

but me has an APAC person what does that. mean an APAC person it's like your. babysitter your APAC babysitter who uh. is always talking to you for APAC. they're probably a constituent in your. District but they are you know firmly. embedded in APAC and every member has. something like this every I don't know. how it works on the Democrat side um but. that's how it works on the Republican. side and when they and when they come to. DC you go have lunch with them and.

they've got your cell number and you. have conversations with them so I've had. like that's absolutely crazy I've had. four members of Congress say I'll talk. to my APAC person and like it's Cally. what we call them my apack guy I'll talk. to my Apec guy and see if I can get him. to you know dial Those ads back I'll. talk to my APAC person I was going to. talk to you guys about this topic but I. got to I got to go call my apack person. because I got to see what I'm allowed to. say does that seem normal to you he goes.

on later to talk about how they should. have to Reg register obviously because. you have a foreign country that is. impacting American politics and that. should be illegal but of course Thomas. Massie is is playing in some waiting. into some dangerous water so to speak. because we know that there was once a. president who wanted to make APAC. register as foreign and he ended up shot. coincidentally ended up shot. so Thomas Massie better be careful and.

it's not just what's happening down in. DC it's also what's happening in media. we are seeing people get plucked plucked. plucked not because they're anti-semitic. but because they're not pro-israel. enough you know they're not happy I. guess when when a innocent Palestinian. kid dies that's what it seems like if. you if you if you are not completely. doing the work of APAC and if you are. not willing to support every action that. b Netanyahu does then the media will. perpetuate you as an anti-semite who.

should lose everything and that is wrong. and there is somebody who claims that. she recently just went through that as I. told you at the top her name is Briana. Joy gray and she was fired according to. the headlines it was because of her. shocking response to the sister of a. Hamas hostage I'm going to let you hear. what Briana said to the sister of the. Hamas hostage and tell me if you're. completely shocked by it take a listen. to Briana while she was at the hill. interviewing this young. woman I'm just going to push back the.

implication that u in Michigan where. which has the largest Muslim and Arab. population in America that there is any. threat of terrorism from our own people. and I would like to clarify also that. one of the rationale that was presented. for 911 was discussed with America's. support of Israel's continued occupation. of uh Palestine so that's neither here. nor there I really do hope that. Netanyahu agrees and Israel agrees to. the ceasefire deal that could bring all. the hostages including your sister home.

and I'm sure many people watching are. praying for her. safety thank you me too and I really. hope that you specifically will believe. women when they say that they got hurt. all right thanks for joining stick. around more Rising coming up. next there it is shocking she seems to. have rolled her eyes when the young. woman told her to believe women I mean. that's that hashtag just believe women. of course is something that makes me.

roll my eyes as well we want to believe. our hard facts and we want to be able to. discern what is actually happening but. I'm not going to contextualize anything. that Bri I'm going to allow her to speak. on behalf of herself we'll have that. coming up for you guys in just a second. well I can tell you one thing that. happens when you get fired you start to. worry about your everyday bills and I. can tell you that unfortunately that's. the climate for a lot of Americans right. now it's just glas prices so high food. prices so high and if you own a home.

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sister I thought she sounded. compassionate I didn't see the interview. before I read the headlines the headline. that I saw reads this is from The Daily. Mail Banna Joy gray is fired after her. shocking response to sister of Hamas. hostage so I was like wow what did what. did Banna say I what she must have just. been off the rails crazy it's not what I. got very very excited Briana to have you. join us here today I know you're in the. of a firestorm how are you doing I'm.

doing all right and I I really do. appreciate you reaching out Candace as. someone who has been through this not so. unique experience I was going to say. unique experience but increasingly it's. happening um as I think more and more. journalists who might not have focused. on this particular issue in the past. find themselves doing so informing. themselves and finding themselves on the. quote unquote wrong side of this issue. when it comes to censorship so I really. do appreciate you reaching out and it's. interesting to have you and I speaking. with because we are not on the same side.

of the political aisle I mean you are a. person your background you were the. spokesperson for the Bernie Sanders. campaign I mean I was very much. identified as a a trump supporter about. as far as as you could be in the media's. eyes um when he was running in 2016 and. yet we do find ourselves Allied in in. the belief that people in America should. be able to criticize the actions of. foreign governments without having their. entire livelihoods risked this is not.

normal and yet there are so many people. who know like I know and like you know. that if you are in media you got to be. careful talking about Israel why is that. yeah it really is the one true Red Line. and I think you experienced that as. being part of a media organization that. I think rightly really prioritized and. focused on various threats to free. speech in various different contexts and. across the political Spectrum but it. really does feel feel like um free.

speech when except for when it comes to. Israel Progressive except for when it. comes to Palestine I mean there is this. Palestine sized whole or exception in a. lot of people's principled stance. against various issues and I say. progressive except for Palestine because. there are similarly people on the left. who say that they care about various. groups who say that they are anti-war. but who very similarly will look the. other way or frankly become very. oppositional when suddenly the people. that we're talking about who are being.

SE Under Siege in a conflict are in fact. Palestinian yeah and it and it's it's. particularly interesting to see the way. the media reports on these incidents and. I I see it already in how they're. speaking about your firing because they. don't actually say what it is that you. said that was controversial I saw this. when ala wire Andrew claven does his. episode he he's like she was saying. things in a way but he can't actually. point to what I said because actually. there was something that I said that was. controversial unless you view a certain.

race to be just above and above critique. really is what it is if if you view a. certain race to be above critique and I. found that when I was being lied upon by. a u a man named Rabbi barklay I mean he. he lied so badly about me that they PJ. media wound up taking the article down. after I interviewed him because I was. genuinely curious like how could you you. say you're a rabbi you're supposed to. you know supposed to be a leader in your. community and you're you're publishing. lies about things that I never said. and when he when he spoke to me he was.

very honest and I realized okay he's. actually just a racial supremacist he's. telling me that he believes that you. know if Jewish blood is shed it does in. fact matter more um when it is Jewish. history it matters more and I I. appreciated his honesty and I could see. why we were going to be on the wrong. side of this issue because I don't. believe in racial Supremacy whether it's. coming from BLM leaders talking about. you know their List of Demands for white. people I don't believe in racial. Supremacy if it's white people and I. certainly am not going to accept it uh.

if it's Jewish people I just that's not. something that anyone should accept well. it'll come as no surprise to you cace. that I I feel differently about um when. we can get more specific about uh your. qualms with BLM but with respect to uh. Israel I do think that what has become. increasingly clear to people is that the. ideology that sort of. justifies um a Jewish State created in. the middle of an Arab land really requir. is a commitment to uh basically.

expelling ethnically cleansing and even. committing what has been described by. the icj as a plausible genocide against. the population so that there can be a. Jewish majority and I know that's a sort. of uncomfortable fact but it's one that. I think many people are coming to when. you start to question why it is that. Israel has made the choice to treat five. million people who are in constructively. occupied territory in both the West pank. Bank and Gaza as second class citizens. for years and years not to mention the.

20% of Israel's population who are. subject to about 60 different laws that. discriminate against them in terms of. housing employment and in other kinds of. Arenas and it all comes down to when you. start to listen to people explain why. they think it's acceptable to for. example kill over 270 Palestinians and. murder so many children the way we saw. just a few days ago uh in in in Gaza to. rescue three hostages you have people. very openly saying. it's Justified it would have been.

Justified to kill 500 a thousand. Palestinians if it meant um getting. three hostages back and I certainly. understand prioritizing hostage exchange. and this is what I told to the sister of. the hostage that I spoke to on Rising. last week certainly if you want to. prioritize hostage exchange I agree with. that and we should be talking about the. protests that are being put on by the. families of Hostage VI families of. hostages in Israel against Netanyahu. because they rightly perceive him as.

being the primary obstacle to. prioritizing hostage exchange over what. he has said is his priority which is. eliminating Hamas all that being said. there are ways to get the hostages back. it is evident and could have gotten them. back months and months ago if that were. in fact the priority but instead the. cost the value of Palestinian life is. perceived as so cheap as compared to. Israeli lives that we've seen and said. that they would rather do these um uh. military organizations with the help of. the US government using a us-built pier.

that cost. $300,000 was told it was a humanitarian. Pier using a an an um action that was in. fact a war crime using a humanitarian. vehicle to Trojan Horse uh Military. Officers into a refugee camp and then. kill almost 300 Palestinians in the. effort to get three hostages back and. also killing uh a uh losing an Israeli. soldier at the same time does that. really seem worth it I think the average. person says no and I the only reason you. come to a yes is if you really very.

cheaply value lives are are not Israeli. and and that's where I'm getting at. where I say it's it actually is what. we're talking about is just racial. Supremacy you know because I don't know. a single person who was not horrified. about what happened on October 7th who. obviously wants every Hostage to be. returned because we value the lives of. the innocent full stop it doesn't matter. to me if that's an innocent Palestinian. life or whether it's an innocent Israeli. life and and as soon as I was saying. this is equal to me suddenly all of. these attacks started and and I really. did feel like what was was happening. after October 7th is very Remis to me.

what was happening uh after uh 911 and. and growing up in the 911 and and I look. back on that time because I realized. that there was this sort of media. insistence we didn't have social media. we didn't have other perspectives being. given to us there really was no sense of. an independent media but I I looked back. on that and I realized I was almost. brainwashed to believe that Muslim life. had no worth thinking about how scared I. was every time I saw a Muslim at you. know wherever I was whether it as an. airport anywhere and I I I actually. believe that the media in America was. success in dehumanizing Muslims I'm not.

a little girl anymore okay I'm an adult. I am a woman I'm I'm I'm a mother which. is the most important thing and I just. remember um after October 7th I was I. was very due to give birth looking on. Twitter and seeing these children these. children happen to have the same. complexion as my daughter because I have. a mixed child being blown up and then. having people tell me that I shouldn't. care about that and I said to myself. okay I totally understand. people wanting to have their hostages.

returned I can totally understand people. wanting to make sure that their family. is safe what I cannot understand is how. you think you are a good person when you. devalue the life of a child you are a. monster I don't care who you are I don't. care if you're an American commentator I. don't care if you're a rich billionaire. I don't care if you're the average. person on the street when you applaud. one hostage being returned and yet you. know thousands of people who are. similarly innocent were killed in the.

process and you go oh well too bad you. become a monster and I know that there. are so many people who agree with me in. media who are scared to say that because. they are fearful of having their jobs. they are fearful of of losing their jobs. rather so can you speak to exactly how. you found out you were being terminated. and on what grounds you were terminated. yeah I mean the the email that I posted. to Twitter is the ENT enire record of. contact that I've had with the hill um.

so I usually worked Monday through. Thursdays we had just shifted through a. Monday to Wednesday schedule at my. insistence in part because of how. hostile the environment had become not. just on air with my co-host who I'm you. know obviously the point of the show is. for us to debate and we have a good. working relationship off screen but with. the staff behind the scenes new. producers that had been hired who. ostensibly were there to um exert some. broader Ed editorial guidance over the.

show but seemed to focus very. specifically on minimizing the extent. which we could cover the Israel. Palestine conflict there were a number. of indicators for months now that they. were unhappy with the tenor of the show. obviously my co-host Robbie was there to. push back I don't know if they found his. push back to be inadequate but they kept. wanting to have specific kind of guest. on the show which I of course was open. to I have never turned down a guest for. ideological reasons I cannot say this. same for guests uh that were were.

aligned with my ideological perspective. in my Coast I I have to say but I I. noticed that when they were trying to. find um guests that presented a. pro-israel point of view unlike the kind. of guests that I seek to bring on who. have some kind of issue area expertise. let's say because they're a journalist. or let's say because they're a professor. or let's say um because they're a. politician an elected official uh they. would bring on people who seem to just. be internet actors who would come on and. instead of taking questions from Robbie. and I in a professional kind of.

interview style of format would very. quickly try to personalize the issue and. want to have an argument with me about. whatever tweet that they last scene of. mine that they didn't like which. obviously puts me in a really tough. position as a host who wants to be. gracious and sort of moderate and not. get into a back and forth with the guest. but the guests started increasingly. coming on with this kind of ideology so. there were indicators like that I got a. message from on high that we were not. allowed to interview Norm finklestein I. know you sat down with him a really. terrific interview um that I watched and.

I thought was really well done uh and. the argument uh was that he was a. holocaust denier norfin as you're aware. is someone whose parents both survived. the Holocaust and knows the horrors of. the Holocaust much more intimately and. personally than most people alive today. and the final straw was when we got an. indication that this most recent guest. the sister of a hostage wanted to come. on it was pitched to me specifically. that she wanted to to come on to talk to. me not to be interviewed by both myself.

and my co-host but that she wanted to. talk to me and to me that was a clue. that it was going to be another one of. these interviews where a guest who has a. really legitimate point of view. obviously as someone who has been living. in the limbo of not knowing whether or. not someone she loves more than almost. anyone else in the world is safe that is. a perspective we absolutely should have. on the show but I was worried that. exactly what happened would happen and. that she would turn this into a. referendum on my own personal political.

views and try to play sort of both the. position of a human being who's going. through something really tough for whom. we should all have compassion but also. someone who is advancing a political. ideology and advancing very specific. untruth on a news show that it's my job. as a reporter and journalist to push. back on and fact check in real. time yeah I can't think of anything you. know grosser than than utilizing the. victimhood the the true victimhood of.

your sister to advance a political. ideology that shouldn't be the case you. know and you are absolutely correct that. there does seem to be this media. environment where they it it they are. propagandizing they're propagandizing. because if you truly believe in free. speech and you truly believe that the. best idea wins then you should have no. problem sitting down and having a. meaningful debate right to to call. Norman felen a holocaust Deni when his. parents survive the Holocaust is it's. it's absurd it's so absurd they don't. want him on the show right they don't. want him on the show because of course. once he speaks you realize it's. completely ridiculous. uh to make that sort of an accusation.

but we're seeing that happen on so many. networks that report to be about free. speech and I am somebody who has moved. so much in my political ideology from. you know where I was on the left um and. then realizing that I felt I know that. we disagree here that I had it. completely wrong uh which should show. people that I am willing to move right. if you actually present an idea to me. and I find your idea to be valid I am. happy to jump on your side and yet you. see on this one issue the loudest. most platformed pro-israel voices don't.

want to debate they don't want to debate. I've reached out I've tried to have. people on for a debate they don't want. to debate and the only people that don't. want to debate their ideas while they're. sitting and they're talking down to you. and they're telling you that they're. right and you're wrong and you're an. anti-semite are the people that are. lying that's my view you're a liar okay. because I'm Candace I don't have all of. the degrees that the rest of these. people have who think that they're so. smart and they're so brilliant wouldn't. you just think that you would slam me in. a debate. I'm I'm so dumb and you're so smart and.

you're so wise and you just need to. teach us things if the Israel argument. is valid sit down and debate it with. somebody who is against the Israel. argument that's it and let people watch. it and let people observe it and let. people move their opinion one way or the. other but I do want to ask you Briana. because we don't have much time here a. lot of stuff is also happening in. Congress I don't know if you caught. Thomas Massie he's my favorite. Congressman ever I make Thomas Massie. stand he sat down with Tucker Carlson. and he said essentially every Republican.

in Congress except for him has an APAC. Handler an APAC Handler we have seen the. strength of a APAC we have seen the. strength of the ADL we we talked about. in in monologue which you didn't get to. see how Trump couldn't get this thing. done he wanted to ban Tik Tok you know. because he had concerns about China. suddenly John greenblat swoops in and. it's gone it's Tik Tok has got to go or. least it passes in the house and. immediately you start to realize who's. actually. controlling Congress yeah and it's not.

it's not just Republicans I I followed. um the Massie APAC challenge very. closely because it mirrors frankly the. kind of challenges we've been seeing on. the left for quite some time um the the. left you know not you know liberals who. I am frequently a Critic of I think I. critique more than any other group uh is. not who I'm talking about here I'm. talking about real progressives um you. know to the left of Bernie frankly have. frequently found themselves in the exact. same situation as Thomas Massie um.

because it is again the one and true. only red line on a bipartisan basis that. nobody on either side of the aisle is. allowed to cross so you've seen these uh. mounting apack challenges from. candidates like anina Turner in Ohio's. 11th District summer Lee was able to. survive her challenge you're seeing uh. Jamal Bowman in New York getting. challenged along these lines and you're. seeing a lot of I know that you have an. interest in kind of the Craven. weaponization of identity politics and. the EXP exploitation of race to lend.

cover to what are frankly in this case. um kind of a foreign policy agenda but. are often sort of corporate policy. agendas there's often overlap between. the two as we're talking about Israel we. can't not talk about defense Contracting. and Boeing and why there is so much. incentive to continue this war along. with so many others but what you see is. that particularly um uh people like. Richie Torres Congress members who are. black and brown are often weaponized to. advance the interests of Israel in this.

case heem Jeff um also from New York. frequently famously says Israel is the. sixth burough mayor Adams un. unsurprisingly is a big advocate for. Israel and I think they try to disguise. the extent to which there is a conflict. of interest there between the average. workingclass American and the interests. that are being pushed by a foreign Lobby. by dressing it up in the veneer of a. trusted black representative on the.

other hand and I think uh we talked. about this a little bit before we. started recording those black. representatives and leaders political. leaders that don't fall in line are. subject to particular scrutiny um and. particularly particularly forceful push. back and I think that's part of what you. experienc as part of what I experienced. the stop anti-Semitism account recently. decided to post a picture of a random. black high school student who had said. that they want to free Palestine really. targeting in particular um black people.

because I think they're capitalizing on. this stereotype that because there is I. think a long-standing tradition of black. people kind of empathizing with the. situation of Palestinians because. frankly it is familiar that we have. historically also been tarred with the. label anti-semite and it's a method to. effectively shut down conversations. about this issue that's exactly right. and and I do actually totally agree with. you that there does seem this particular. targeting of black American voices and I. can't figure that I can't figure that. out I don't know why it is but this.

you're labeled anti-semite from Michael. Jackson uh you know me and I'm going. what are you even what are you talking. about there's literally no record of. this I've worked for Jewish companies my. entire life how did I just become a. raging anti-semite simply because I have. questions about what is happening to. these innocent Palestinian children and. why we are treating them like their. lives don't matter again my position is. that what we're seeing operating in the. media are racial supremacists and I. think that uh they're taking the wrong. side here I I feel it you can you can. sense it in the air people are starting.

to ask questions people are seeing what. is happening to people there seems to be. an Awakening on this issue and let me. tell you if this a wakening speeds up. and I think it is it's catalyzing people. are going to look back and they're going. remember these voices that sat there and. and supported racial Supremacy because. they didn't want to lose their jobs that. supported racial Supremacy supported the. death of innocent children who are out. there saying outrageous things. applauding the death of children as long. as they get back one person as opposed. to is saying No this conflict needs to. come to an end because too many children.

are dying I have no regrets in what I've. said I have no regrets in the way that. I've been treated in the media because. at the end of the day my relationship. doesn't matter with the boss it matters. with God and they are all going to have. to account to God one day and you can. see these Psychopaths and media you know. that are trying to sell you something. different and tell you that there's. something wrong with you or you're. perverted because you feel bad for a. dead child that you are seeing on your. screen yeah I wouldn't want to be those. people when you when you have to meet. the ultimate boss day and and and really. account for what you've created in you.

know throughout your life yeah Ken I. would love to just speak to that um. Jewish Supremacy point if I could to. clarify for for some people who might. hear that phraseology and find it to be. a little bit dissonant just I just want. to say that obviously I think we can all. understand that any Supremacy movement. is a problem. um it is we are I think. so rightly appalled by the horrors of. the Holocaust and we have been so um.

that has been emphasized and taught to. us so strongly in our education as we. grow up rightly so um that I think the. idea of even thinking about Jewish. Supremacy is sometimes difficult to wrap. your brain around because we're so. focused on the opposite right. anti-Semitism and the relatively recent. historical tragedy that ended up killing. 2third of the world's Jewish population.

and a horrible Holocaust right I you. know and I want to just really address. that dissonance because what I'm talking. about and I think what you were talking. about when we're talking about Supremacy. is an ideology that I think is required. to support Zionism but which is not. fundamental to Judaism as a whole corre. and there has been is not Zionism right. there's been this effort to conflate the. two because it's we are. all we all abhor the notion of being. anti itic right I think there is a. sensitivity to that that is that.

zionists are aware of and so they know. that it's easier to you know um. marginalize someone for being. anti-semitic than anti-zionist because. what is Zionism Zionism is a particular. political belief that thinks that there. should be a Jewish state established in. a part of the world that is. overwhelmingly Arab and when you do that. it requires you to establish a. democratic majority to not allow. Palestinians to for instance have the. right of return that a you know a Jewish. person who was born in New York or. Philadelphia or Iowa is able to have the.

right even if they've never stepped foot. in that region to move there whereas a. Palestinian who has keys to the house. that they owned before they were. expelled in the Noca in 1948 is not. allowed to visit the country where. Palestinians who work in Israel via. workport permits are forced to wait for. hours at checkpoints or who need to get. better hospital care than is available. to them in the occupied territories have. to wait even if their health is imp. periled because there's different Ro.

roads and different rules for for. Palestinians for Arabs in um in Israel. this is an apar tide State it's a. two-tiered state that specifically gives. different rights Superior rights to. people who are Jewish as opposed to. people who are Muslim and Arab and I say. Arab and Muslim separately because there. are Christian Arabs in Gaza who have. their churches being bombed who are. themselves being killed Justin Amash uh. the libertarian former Congress member. had multiple family members killed by.

us-backed air strikes earlier in this. conflict and you almost heard nothing. about it no condemnations from Congress. for a former sitting US Congress member. Palestinian American Congress Members. Own young family members being massacred. by Israeli bombs with American political. cover that's what we're talking about. here and all of all of the problems of. the region can be traced back to the. insistence that Palestinians and and uh. and and Jewish Israelis cannot have the.

same rights within the state of Israel. because if that happened there would be. demographic parody the same number of. Palestinians as Israelis and that would. we're told necessarily imperil the. safety of Jewish Israelis now let me ask. you this Candace does it make sense to. you to simultaneously making an AR be. making an argument that Israel is a. democratic country that we should be. loving and supporting because look 20%. of the population is AR and we all live. peacefully and isn't that wonderful but.

also to be making the argument that we. can't have any more Palestinians because. they're inherently violent they're. inherently um regressive they will ruin. our society if they come into the. country well that's that's what I'm. speaking to when I talk about this. dehumanization of Palestinians that's. happening right now in the media it's. disgusting and like I said you know it I. would say I'm agnostic on the issue I. want to learn more which is why I'm. trying to have a debate with somebody. who is you know radically Pro Zionist I. don't have an issue with the fact that. you're radical radically Pro that's what. I have an issue with is that you speak. down to people as if you are a superior.

and you won't debate your ideas right I. have an issue with the fact that you are. you are speaking about you know the Arab. population who by the way are Semitic. you're talking you're talking about. anti-Semitism and what these are semetic. people you're speaking about them in. this way that makes me uncomfortable you. know my grandfather grew up and a s I'm. not comfortable with the way you're. speaking about them and when you try to. shut down my conversation and you speak. to me in that same way you are acting. like a racial supremacist and we have to. have the courage to call that out and of.

course it's not all Jewish people some. people genuinely just are like I want. the hostages to be returned you know I. am concerned you know I followed some. Jewish influencers who have been so. understanding you know there are people. that you listen to them and you're like. this makes sense they're not being pushy. they're not being supremacist they are. obviously concerned they grew up in. Israel you know their family grew up in. Israel um as Jews you know because this. was after 19 1945 or you know within the. last 30 years and they are not.

disgusting in the way that they are. talking about this issue but it feels. like a lot of people in the media are. and that's what makes me uncomfortable. they are they are very disgusting and. matter of fact and oh well we've got. bigger bombs and who cares how many. Muslims you kill I care because I'm a. Christian and I'm not comfortable with. the amount of death that is happening to. Children how dare I call myself a. pro-life conservative and then stay mum. on this issue how dare I call myself a. Christian a child of God and then be mum. on this issue because I care about money.

and so that's kind of where I want. people to really consider listening to. this podcast are you comfortable with. the amount of death of innocent children. and and to check yourself have you been. brainwashed to believe that it doesn't. matter if an Arab child is killed are. you are you comfortable and let me also. push you on this to my. listeners if you say it's okay when a. state does this then you better hope you. remain friends with that state because. if they ever turn their arms against you.

and you've already set the the. groundwork for believing that it does. not matter when innocent children are. murdered when they are waking up to. bombs being dropped on them then you're. going to have to stand by those words. okay yeah I mean I I would also point. out I think your I think your point. about children is really wellmade I. remember I I believe you were um. pregnant when you were talking with Norm. mles scene and I could tell how much you. were impacted by him you know also bring. bringing up the lack of maternal health. care that's available I mean maternal.

Health Care forget that I mean clean. water and food available to so many. pregnant women in Gaza babies that have. been born into this conflict who have. been killed by this conflict I mean the. whole thing is terrible but we're also. having new reporting just over the last. few days about a torture camp that. exists in Israel where and I'm sorry. this is so graphic but Palestinian men. have been having metal electric rods. inserted into the rectums as a kind of. torture we've had ample reports of rapes.

that are substantiated and I got to say. I'm sorry there have been ample um. reports discrediting uh the New York. Times reporting about the quote unquote. Mass rapes that happen on October 7th. including most recently in the times of. London really destroying all of the. sources that were used in that initial. reporting reporting that was so. controversial even within the New York. Times that its own podcast daily podcast. Department declined to do a podcast in. the story because it was so riddled with. obvious inconsistencies and Reporting.

errors so the that was headline news. that was front page news when Joe Biden. lied about there being 40 beheaded. babies that was front page news and the. retraction is just a blip his people. coming forward and saying oh he didn't. actually see that it didn't actually. happen that's just a blip and meanwhile. the times finally reported on this. torture camp where they're sodomizing. Palestinian prisoners it's at the bottom. of a lengthy EP uh article that did not. get the above the full treat treatment. that the original porting did and so. again you're seeing the asymmetry and.

the value of life one other point that. The Intercept um and some other. organizations have been tracking the use. of language when describing Palestinian. deaths versus Israeli deaths and words. like barbaric Savage horrible kind of. more emotive words are used 60 times as. frequently when discussing Hamas killing. uh Israelis versus Israelis killing. Palestinian civilians and so we are all.

being taught by the media how to. interpret this crisis in incredibly. subtle ways and also in very overt ways. and that's I think a reason why it's so. important for you to be independent to. be able to speak out boldly without. worry that you are going to be censor. shipped by a parent organization the way. they attempted to censor you and the way. I have been censored and I personally am. very grateful for the existence of. Independent Media platforms I want to. say everybody like you know don't lose. your values you know like just do not.

lose your values in in the in the sea of. everything going on there are so many. hot button issues people are scared. whether we're talking about you know. people scared to speak up about. transgenderism in children or whether. you're talking about you know what's. happening in Palestine and Israel you. you should speak your values and expect. that when you do something that is right. the world will will open up to you so. Briana I am wishing you the most luck. can you allow us to know where we can. follow you um and how they can support. you let my listeners know how they can. support you yes um you can find me at.

patreon.com bfaith podcast I have a. weekly podcast that comes out free every. Thursday you can catch it on YouTube or. wherever you get your podcast and if you. subscribe at patreon I you can get an. additional Monday episode um for $5 a. month this Monday today as we're. recording I just released a really um a. thorough Deep dive into the monthlong. effort to oust me at the Hill and. actually frankly get into some issues. around um transgender issues and.

politics as well in that episode and I. want to extend the invitation Candace to. you also I know that we disagree about a. lot of things but I have been impressed. by your willingness to have open debate. and conversation and be receptive to. different points of view I've seen it in. the context of Israel and I would love. to continue this conversation on a. number of other issues if you ever have. the time I know you're a very busy. absolutely we should debate BLM I mean. everything this is the beauty let let's. debate it somebody's right somebody's. wrong and let the public trust the to. decide don't propagandize them allow. them to listen to both of the debates.

and to decide what they agree with. Rihanna thank you so much for joining us. and I wish you all the luck in the world. thank you Candace I appreciate it all. right guys I hope you enjoyed that. conversation I'm obviously going to get. into so much trouble for it but it's. okay it's okay you can follow us on. Instagram you can follow us on Twitter. and you can follow us on Tik Tok our. handle is the same across all three it. is at Candace O show and don't forget. have you joined Club Candace come on. these mugs I mean they're only going to. be here for a little bit longer these.

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