Andrew Kolvet Blames Me For Erika PR Backlash | “Mormon Mafia” History Explained | Ep 364

All right, you guys, happy Wednesday. So, unsurprisingly, the Daily Mail. article of Erika referring to me as a. soulless ghoul and a BI backfired. It. turns out that most people in the. rational world think that someone. demonstrating repeat compassion for the. man that she believes murdered her. husband while displaying repeat anger at. the person who's trying to figure out if. that person Tyler actually even did it. or if more people were involved. That. did not go over so well with the public.

So, how did they respond? Well, Andrew. Colvett's PR disaster came out of the. gate today swinging. and attempted to blame me for the. article. alleging that I colluded with the Daily. Mail journalists to publish the article. In effect, I called myself a BI and a. soulless ghoul so that I could then. respond to the article on the show. We're talking about the Daily Mail. Go. try to find a nice article about me in. the Daily Mail or really anywhere, actually. They are running the PR game,

obviously. They've been very favorable. to Erika. And I just have to say that is. an Olympic stretch. I mean, the. stretchiest stretch of all PR stretches. I am telling you that man is losing it. Andrew Colvett has officially lost it. Like, this is going to backfire so badly. to pretend that the article was. fictionalized because heads would have. to roll. People would have to be fired. You'd have They'd be forced to issue a. contract a retraction. So, before we get into uh what he. attempted to claim uh before he was, of.

course, met with a community note on X, we first need to dive back into where we. left off on Monday, the term Mormon. Mafia. Who and what does that refer to. specifically? Today's an episode where. you have to take out your notebooks, students, because it is a lot to learn, but it is very important and absolutely. fascinating. Welcome back to Candace. >> I'm. not afraid. anymore. >> [music].

>> All right, so the Mormon mafia, who. among you has even heard of that term? So I I gave you the context of my having. first heard the term from Courtney Love. of all people, and I genuinely had no. idea what she was talking about, what. she was referring to. We were talking. about Hollywood, and she was then. telling me everyone talks about. Zionists, but you have to understand the.

relationship between the Zionists and. the Mormons. uh. controlling everything in Hollywood, in. music, in publishing rights. I was. totally confused. Um I will be clear, however, that in my personal experience, I very much believe there is a Zionist. mafia operating because there always has. been one. I think Michael Jackson. alluded to that before his death. Kanye. West alluded to that after his gym. trainer, Harley Pasternak, threatened to. drug him and take his children away. What kind of gym trainer writes that.

kind of stuff? And I have to tell you. guys, and this is not even a joke, one. of the reasons. among many that I was fired from The. Daily Wire, a specific reason that they. listed was I suggested that there could. be a Jewish mafia in Hollywood in my. coverage of Michael Jackson's death. It was deemed an anti-Semitic. suggestion. The mere suggestion that. there could be a Zionist mafia. But. actually, it's kind of a simple fact of. history. that the Jewish mafia started Hollywood. I mean, we covered various aspects of.

that in our reading of Hollywood Babylon. uh in our book club. But beyond that, Irgun, the underground Jewish terrorist. organization that were operating in. Palestine, ruthlessly murdering people. to ensure that Israel became a nation. They just believed violence was the the. means to get what they wanted. And when. I say murdering people, I don't want you. to think that I'm just referring to. Palestinians. I mean British people, whoever and whatever was in their way. They were behind the infamous King David. Hotel bombing. They loved to use bombs.

in Jerusalem in 1946. To be clear, the hotel at that time was. operating as the British military. headquarters in Jerusalem. They just. bombed it, killing 91 people in one go. in 1946. And yes, that gang came to. America and manifested here. Zionist. gang became known as the Stern gang. And they kept up political lobbying and. bombings, which made its way all the way. to the White House.

Uh check out this article about what. they did to President Harry S. Truman. This is a headline in the New York. Times. Um it reads, "Letter bombs mailed to. Truman." And it tells us that the. so-called Stern gang of the Zionist. terrorists tried to assassinate. President Truman by letter bomb in 1947, according to a new biography written Mr. Truman's daughter. Miss Margaret Truman. Daniel writes, "A number of cream-colored envelopes. about 8 by 6 in arrived in the White. House addressed to the president and.

various members of the staff. They were. found to contained a powdered gelatin. night, a pencil battery and a detonator. rigged to explode. The gelatin night, pardon me, gelatin night when the. envelope was opened.". But when the White House mail room, alert to the danger of postal bombs, discovered the letters and had them. defused by the Secret Service bomb. experts, Mrs. Daniel writes in her book, Harry S. Truman. Now, members. of this Zionist gang, which began in. mandatory Palestine, were also.

Canaanites. Literally, it's one of the craziest things that. knowing the history of the creation of. the state of Israel is enough to warrant. someone being labeled an anti-Semite. This is stuff that is just freely. available for you to look up on even. Wikipedia, okay? Take a look at this in. Wikipedia entry referred to as. Canaanism. It reads it tells you that Irgun was a a. Jewish Canaanite Canaanism was a. cultural and ideological movement.

founded in 1939 reaching its peak among. the Jews of mandatory Palestine during. the 1940s. It had a significant effect. on the course of Israeli art, literature. literature and spiritual and political. thought. It's adherents were called. Canaanites, okay? And then it tells you. that most of its members were former. members of Irgun or Lehi. Look at the. art that they created on the right side. of this Wikipedia entry. It says. Nimrod.

Okay. A visual emblem of the Canaanite idea. So they were creating art based on their. beliefs. And who were the Canaanites in. the Bible guys? Baal worshipers. Okay? That's just a fact. It's right in. your face. You wonder what's going on? Why are they doing what they're doing in. in Gaza and Palestine? Yeah, you got to. go back into the history. Anyways, point I'm making here is Irgun. was a Jewish Canaanite gang. No one denies that it was a terrorist. group that killed a lot of people.

One of its members was a man named. Benjamin Emanuel. That is the father of Ari Emanuel, one. of the most powerful, if not the most. powerful man in Hollywood. His brother is Rahm Emanuel, one of the. most powerful names in the Democratic. Party in politics. He was the director. of public affairs under Bill Clinton. before he became his senior advisor. He. Rahm was also the chief of staff under. Barack Obama and then he became the. mayor of Chicago. A lot of corruption in.

Chicago as we know. Their father was. literally in a Jewish terrorist gang. Okay, so I bring up that point only to. underscore the absurdity of people. trying to suggest that it's. anti-Semitism to note the plausibility. of Jewish gangs that are affiliated with. Hollywood and within politics, especially when so many entertainers. have died in mysterious circumstances. How many celebrities. can drown in a bathtub before it gets. weird?

How many people do you know that have. just drowned in bathtubs in general? Okay, I believe Kanye West, always have, always will, and based on my own literal. experience in politics, I have been. threatened, my livelihood has been. threatened, and I have been gangstalked. by Zionists throughout the court system. and beyond. But I digress because you're probably. thinking, "What does Mormonism have to. do with it?". So, I want to be clear that whenever. we're covering any sort of mafia or. gang, we're not suggesting that every. person of that race or religion or.

ethnicity is a member of that mafia. because that's just dumb. Uh in fact, in. most circumstances, the actual gang. members rely on people who are not in. the game to be outraged cuz it gives. them cover, right? Criminals benefit. best when they can mix in amongst. regular hardworking people. There is. corruption everywhere. Obviously, it. usually exists at the top. So, the term. Mormon mafia, where does it come from? If you just Google it, you are going to. learn that it is a colloquial term that.

is usually referring to, and I'll quote, um the trusted Latter-Day Saints inner. circle of businessmen businessmen and. accountants who were hired by. billionaire Howard Hughes in Las Vegas. during the 1960s. Okay, so Howard Hughes is the name that. we need to reference. Who is, or rather. who was Howard Hughes? Howard Robert Hughes Jr. was one of the. richest and most influential people in.

the world. throughout his lifetime. Okay, he lived. from 1905 to 1976. He was so influential. that Leonardo DiCaprio actually played. him in the movie The Aviator. I have not. seen that. I don't watch a lot of. movies. Heard it was a good movie. But, he was beyond just a businessman. He was an aerospace engineer, an. investor, a builder, a film producer, you name it. We do not have time to go. over every area and aspect of his vast. wealth and empire. So, I'm going to. really just minimize it into three main.

characters for you on this graphic, okay? Um he had film industry in film. industry, he made his name as a film. tyco- tycoon. He was a producer and an. investor beginning of the 1920s behind. such films as Scarface and Hell's. Angels, eventually acquiring ownership. of RKO Studios. To make Hell's Angels, he actually. assembled the largest private air force. in the world. He was also an aerospace engineer. In. 1932, Howard Hughes founded the Hughes.

Aircraft Company. Uh started off by. renting a hangar within Lockheed. Aircraft. Then there's Howard Hughes Medical. Institute, okay? That was his charitable. arm. Um in he found that in ni- formed. that in 1953 to fund basic medical. research. He was also inspired, just you. know, the backstory to get into medicine. because both of his parents died young. Um his mother from an ectopic pregnancy. and I can't remember the reason that his. his dad died young uh of a heart attack. actually. And so, he was interested in.

just health in general. Yeah, he. inherited at the age of 19 his family. fortune because both of his parents died. and that impacted him obviously. Hughes. Aircraft was eventually transferred into. his charity. So, people thought that he. did that because it was this massive. organization and now it was um you know, protected by being inside of a charity. so he didn't have to pay taxes on it. Las Vegas, okay? So, this is. interesting. Howard Hughes in the last. 10 years of his life began buying up. casinos and hotels and restaurants in.

Las Vegas including the Desert Inn where. he would eventually become. reclusive. The Sands Hotel. On that last point is where it gets even. more fascinating because Howard Hughes. himself was not a drinker, he was not a. partier, he did not do drugs. He was. committed to his businesses. He was also while he was in business. exceedingly paranoid about communists.

and their ability to infiltrate. companies and take them over. Now, he. was so paranoid, this is a fact, that he. shut down his film studio after he. acquired it acquired it, RKO, for 6 months. He shut it down to. investigate the political leanings of. every single employee. Imagine doing that. That was in 1948. He's like, "Okay, shutting this down. I. need to make sure none of you are. commies." Ironically, 1948 was the same. year that Israel became a country. Um but I'm I'm just letting you know. that that was a major concern that he.

had always in the back of his mind. And that is of course what was going on. in the world, the Red Scares. But of course, with an empire the size. of his, you can only be so paranoid, right? You have to trust somebody. You have to trust your lieutenants, right? You can't be a one-man band. worth billions. Howard Hughes thought for sure, okay, if I'm going to be able to trust. people, I can trust people who live like. me.

How about a uh religious group that's. forbidden from drinking and smoking and. gambling? They live They live like me. Okay? I don't drink. I don't do drugs. I'm going to trust. the Mormons. One person who he trusted was a man. named Frank William Gay. He was a member. of the LDS Church, Latter-Day Saints, uh who he initially hired just to run a. subsidiary of his tool business. It was Frank William Gay who would then.

begin hiring people around him, hiring. what became known as the Mormon Mafia, who would surround Howard Hughes during. the rather bizarre last 10 years of his. life when he experienced an. entirely entire shift in his behavior. Like I said, he became a virtual. recluse. He rented out the penthouse. floor of the Desert Inn in Vegas, then. he outright purchased the hotel, uh.

casinos, all while he was kept holed up. He would see no one but these Mormon men. who surrounded him, and then they. started telling stories about his last. years and why he didn't want to see. anyone. Again, this was in stark. contrast to the businessman that the. world had come to know and love. The. public was told that the reason that. Howard Hughes uh suddenly didn't want to. see anybody, became a recluse, was. because. um. he was in pain from injuries that he had. endured over his lifetime, so he began. taking painkillers.

That he then developed severe. debilitating OCD, which made him avoid. all contact with the outside world. because he was a germaphobe. Um and that was just some of the very. odd things and disturbing habits and. rituals that they said that he. developed. Here is an article describing. the only men who had access to him, the. Mormons. Um and this was published is this in. Time magazine? Yes, it's entitled uh The. Keepers of the King.

It tells us this was published, by the. way, in 1976, Time magazine. It tells us they had no lavish corporate. suites, no direct authority over other. senior Hughes employees, practically no. business experience. They did, however, have two striking. advantage advantages. They were, with a. single exception, adherence to. Mormonism, a religion that embodies. Howard Hughes's aversion to drinking and. smoking and they had direct unlimited. access to the king himself. They also. never talked. One reporter described.

them as men without mouths. They were. Hughes's so-called Mormon Mafia, the six. gentlemen-in-waiting who were recruited. by the Suma Corporation. Uh, Bill Gay himself, a Mormon, attended. the Croesus day and night and in 8-hour. shifts. They were assisted by four. physicians on 24-hour calls and five. lesser functionaries including Gordon. Margolis and Mel Stewart. It goes. through the names here. For their. services, the six senior aides were paid.

as much as $110,000 a year each. They. equipped his various hideaways, decided. which messages would reach him. They. censored his reading matters. In short, they controlled Howard Hughes. and the the public image of him. So, how does this end? Suddenly, this. big guy is not leaving anywhere. Well, Howard Hughes died and I have to tell. you, it was a remarkably suspicious. death, not unlike Michael Jackson's, if. you ask me.

Officially, Howard Hughes died of kidney. failure on April 5th, 1976. He was aboard a jet, actually. A jet. that was owned by a a man named Robert. Graf, g r a f. Now, that surname may have you. wondering, uh, because of recent news, is that like the newly appointed Judge. Tony Graf in the Tyler Robinson case? Truly, I have no idea if there's any. relation. But, what I do know about Robert Graf, who owned this jet, is very interesting.

Uh, he was the founder of Robert Graf. Inc., which became Duncan Aviation. His. business partner was Donald Duncan. Yes, that Duncan Aviation with the mysterious. transponding Egyptian planes on the day. of Charlie's assassination. Uh that was Robert Kraft's company. Uh renamed to Duncan Aviation in the. '60s. Yeah, that Duncan Aviation that. had that Egyptian plane take off for. Delaware shortly before the.

assassination. It is just a small world, but I digress. Here are the facts regarding the. investigation into the death of Howard. Hughes, which the investigation had to. take place due to a fight over his. estate. Despite being OCD, he somehow. didn't put together a will for his vast. empire. It tells us that after 18 months. studying and investigating uh Hughes. Hughes's drug abuse, man who didn't do. drugs his whole life and hired Mormons. cuz they didn't do drugs, suddenly died.

a drug addict. It was discovered after. this investigation that quote "Someone. administered a deadly injection of the. painkiller codeine to this virtually. comatose man. Obviously, needlessly, and almost certainly fatal dose.". We then learn that he suffered from. malnutrition, that he was covered in bed. sores, while his kidneys were damaged, his other internal organs, including his. brain, which had no visible damage or. illnesses, were deemed perfectly. healthy. X-rays revealed five broken-off.

hypodermic needles needles that were. inside the flesh of his arms. When he died in 1976, his body was so. thin that observers likened him to a. captive from a Japanese prisoner-of-war. camp. That was the condition that that. man was in. Beyond that, it was discovered that in. the hotel room that he was being kept. for years unseen by anyone outside of. the Mormon Mafia, the blinds had not. been drawn. uh for years. They were rotting from no.

use. So, we are to believe at the same time. that this man had debilitating OCD and. germaphobe. for germaphobia, but so much so that he he didn't want to. leave, but also that his personal. hygiene, he was absolutely filthy. Nails. grown out, hair the hair grown out, unshowered, bed sores, not even turned. over. But, don't worry. They brought in the. psychologist to testify that that's. actually something that we term the.

clean healthy paradox. Okay. Okay. He thinks other and it's it's a. lot to explain. You always got to bring. in a psychologist to explain nonsense. In effect, during those years, his. business was being run entirely by his. LDS lieutenants, the people that he. trusted. Every aspect of it. And after he died on Robert Graf's. plane, the fight for his $2.5 billion. estate began. People just coming in. saying, "Oh, no, I I should inherit it.".

There was a mysterious handwritten note, which was filed by the Church of a. Latter-day Saints, which they claimed. was his last will and testament. That. claim was summarily rejected by the. courts. It was a 34-year. legal battle. Until eventually it was decided that the. majority of his fortune, around $1.5. billion, would be controlled by the Howard Hughes. Medical Institute, the charity that I. told you he started. Um and that he had transferred the. Hughes Aircraft into. Uh now, charities.

have uh trustees that make the decisions. on the board. Uh and when he was alive, he was the trustee to his own charity. Of course, when he died, the trustee of. the board became Frank William Gay. His trusted Mormon. Who, it would be discovered later, was. at one point working with the CIA. Now, today, that charity, the um Howard. Hughes Medical Institute, has an. endowment of billion.

dollars, controlled by trustees. And the companies outside of the. charity, of which there was many, the. casinos, the real estate, the movie. rights, all of that was placed under a. holdings company, Howard Hughes Holding. Company. It was Suma Suma company before. that. And deals were made, okay? We can. update you to today to who owns all this. stuff. Today, his Las Vegas Sands. Resort, obviously, and casino is. controlled and operated by Miriam. Adelson.

Uh it was uh Sheldon Adelson. that had it, and of course he passed. away recently, so Miriam Adelson. controls that. Steve Wynn controls the Frontier Hotel. and casinos and the Desert Inn, the. place where Howard Hughes became a. reclusive, never drew the shades. Steve. Wynn eventually demolished that, and. today it is the famed Wynn Las Vegas. Hotel. The real estate empire is still being. operated beneath with his name, right? Howard Hughes Holding Incorporated. American hedge funder Bill Ackman.

uh. was and is the executive chairman of. Howard Hughes Incorporated. He was from 2010 to 2024. Uh he was the executive chairman before. he retired for a couple of months, but. then changed his mind last year in May. of 2025. Bill Ackman made a $900 million. investment into Howard Hughes Holding. Incorporated, uh returning him back to. that executive chair position.

I should also mention that Frank William. Gay, the uh trusted Mormon, he had a. son, Robert Gay, who became the managing. director of Mitt Romney's Bain Capital. for 16 years. So, why [snorts] am I telling you that? Because the story is interesting. It's just interesting to think about. that. A man who lives his life and then. uh we are told in the end that he kind. of reversed course on everything that he. was. He becomes a drug addict, his. empire gets smashed, divided, and the. articles reflect that he was infiltrated.

or heavily imply that this Mormon mafia. as they term it that's where the term. literally comes from. And it's interesting and the reason why. I came across this guy's name truly I am. not a movie person was because when I. was researching one of the maroon boys. maroon boys. I who I'm not naming at this time I did. discover that he was a relative of the. Hughes family empire thought oh who is. this who is this Howard Hughes and then. I was speaking to some LDS church. members who were then telling me the.

story and I started reading the articles. and going wow this is super fascinating. It's also interesting because I have. been consistently telling you guys. before all of this before I knew. anything. that ostensibly Turning Point USA is an. evangelical Christian organization. But in reality. it's a lot of Mormons like half of the. company it's Mormons Tyler Boyer I have. been telling you from the beginning was. the person that was in control of. everything the hiring the firing.

Charlie he has described I yeah he he. followed Charlie Charlie did all of the. work and but Tyler controlled a lot of. things. There are a ton of LDS church members. who work for Turning Point USA who were. brought in by Tyler in fact on the day. that he was murdered Charlie himself. confirmed that so you don't have to take. my word for it you can take Charlie's. word for it at UVU this is what he said. take a listen.

>> See this high crown right there he's. Let me just to tell you I love how the. Mormon missionaries around the world. I have my team is Mormon Carol's a. Mormon Andrew's a Mormon. >> [cheering]. >> So what do you guys say everybody I'm an. evangelical Christian we're going to. have fun with this but I'm not one of. those guys that picks on Mormons. >> Half my team is Mormon he's telling the. truth and then he says, Andrew, he's not. referring to Andrew Kolbe, he's. referring to the person that picks what.

stops he goes on to. Um and yeah, who runs the field program. that is a Mormon and of Tyler's a. Mormon. He's talking at Taryl's a. Mormon. Taryl's the guy who takes down. the cameras, the Farnsworth guys, and. all of these people knew Erica before. Erica knew Charlie. These families knew. Erica before Erica knew Charlie. Tyler. Boyer handled the money at Turning Point. USA. I have text messages to that effect uh. proving that he was behind Turning Point.

Action. He was the COO first at Turning. Point USA, then became the COO of. Turning Point Action. And yes, he. brought in Erica. Of that there is no. doubt. They have both admitted that. But. she can't remember how she knows him. She told me maybe through Senator Jon. Kyl, maybe uh that's what she told me in. our face-to-face meeting, but she can't. recall that specific detail of the guy. who set her up to go on a interview with. the love of her life, apparently. I remember the last face-to-face.

conversation that I had with Tyler. We. were backstage um at AmFest and I was. telling him. that Charlie should just debate Nick. Fuentes. There was some groper stuff. going on as usual at these events in the. hallways and um I was like, just sit. down and just have the debate. I think. it's just worth having it. And he told. me that Turning Point USA was never. not going to be pro-Israel. They would. always be pro-Israel. And in. retrospect, that's a weird thing to say. Especially a weird thing to consider.

since its founder was quite literally. going against Israel in those last. months. That Charlie Kirk s- wrote explicitly he. had no choice but to abandon the. pro-Israel cause. And according to Charlie, he felt that. he was being morally blackmailed at Bill. Ackman's house in the Hamptons by Seth. Dillon and others. I'll be clear, he. wasn't he didn't say Bill Ackman morally. blackmailed him. But Seth Dillon, he did say I've been. morally blackmailed by Seth Dillon, so I. know exactly what Charlie Kirk was. referring to. Um he was being pressured.

And he decided no, no more. He gets a phone call from Bibi. Netanyahu. We still don't know really. what happened during that phone call, but we know his wife was by his side. We know that Charlie wanted to 7 days. before he died to establish a dodge. audit at his company. That's a fact. Um he doesn't know. apparently where all the money is going. I am told specifically. by Turning Point employees that the. money was missing out of Turning Point.

Action. That is Tyler's arm, and yes, it. may or may not be relevant that Tyler is. sitting on the board of a company with. Erica's mother, Laura Lori Fronsway, who. had those relationships with the. Mormons, like Terrell Farnsworth, before Charlie knew who Lori Fronsway. and Erica Fronsway were. We are told that Charlie and Erica had. an appointment to change his will, which. was scheduled for the Monday after he.

died. He never made it to that Monday. He never made it to that appointment. He's then murdered in Utah. And then his wife assumes the reins of. the company. The audit is magically canceled. Turning. Point becomes virtually unrecognizable. Ben Shapiro slides into Charlie's studio. with a million-dollar check in hand. Not. even Ben Shapiro himself. or Blake Neff could stomach the lie that. Andrew Kolb tried to spin that Ben and. Charlie were friends. They actually came.

out and told the truth, cuz I was going. to go like max on that, and I actually. pulled back on dropping even more text. messages when Blake Neff admitted and. Ben admitted that they were not friends. But Andrew Kolb attempted to tell that. lie to the public, and that should. terrify you about the people that were. surrounding Charlie Kirk. To be so willing to so quickly pervert a. dead man's beliefs. Erica then goes on a Shabbat Shalom book. tour immediately first thing.

She sits down with Barry Weiss in New. York Times and her and Charlie's home. and of course it should be noted that. Erica herself is very close with the. Vegas casino families. Flying around on. their planes, that's a fact. As is the fact that one of the only. times that Erica has ever responded to. anything publicly and directly. was when somebody alleged that she was. dating Blake Wynn of the Wynn casino. dynasty. I've never, just to be clear, seen any evidence of that. I have never. stated that. I didn't even cover that.

For the record, it appears that they are. very close friends. But I never ever heard that they were. dating, but she did feel the need to. comment um aggressively to that. All of this just feels a little bit. reminiscent to me, right? A man living. his life one way, um relying on his lieutenants, not knowing what was really going on. around him and then suddenly he picks up. his head and starts asking questions. And now we see the organization.

that he left behind, the one that he. built, doing a complete 180 on virtually. everything he believed. The very people. that he trusted the most in his inner. circle. are doing a 180 on the things that. Charlie believed. Anyway, um it's all just something to think. about. We'll be right back after the break. All right, you guys, the smartest. investing decisions come down to timing. and trust. And right now may be one of.

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fundamental hatred for the person who. passed away. Like, typically people feel. pulled to be more loyal to people after. a tragic death, to not allow people to. come in and to ruin their legacy. And. Andrew just told that lie, and it was so. crazy. Ben Shapiro swept in and said, I. tweeted, okay, I never claimed to be. close to Charlie. Blake Neff went on to. the podcast and said, yeah, no, Charlie. had issues with Ben, but he did consider. him at least an ally in the movement. You know, he was constantly texting.

about him, making fun of him. Andrew was. just going to keep it keep it up and. just tell an extraordinary lie, reverse. the truth. Candace wasn't there to be. and Ben was a friend. That tells you. Andrew Colvett's character. And so I am. not surprised at what he is attempting. today. It is It is very stupid what he's. attempting. It's unbelievably stupid because it's. it's so easy to debunk. Of course we showed you yesterday um. another PR disaster from start to. finish. Erica's PR has been a disaster. It just has. Andrew Colvett has been.

driving that bus. She also told me they. brought in crisis PR teams and these. people are just not reading the public. sentiment from the very beginning. What. actually began this slide was that tour. when she went on to Fox News and then. did Bari Weiss. She did like a bunch of. shows in one week and then they asked. her about the podcast. Erica Candace. Owens name checking me and she'd stop. Just stop and people were like, "Whoa, you kind of demonstrated compassion for. Tyler Robinson on stage and we. you got these evil eyes for Candace.

What's up?" Right? What's up with that? And my Daily Mail article reflected that. stance. Compassion again for Tyler. Robinson. They were using direct quotes. throughout the entire article. Direct. quotes coming from a family friend who I. speculated was Tracy uh because that is. the only person I know that is friends. with Erica's family who has been vocally. speaking to people in the press. It was. It was a guess. Anyway, so this backfired and Andrew Colvett.

comes out and says that I'm behind the. article. He tweeted this. We never received any requests for. comment. We are told that they attempted. to send one, but we can't find it. It is. strange given that every other outlet on. the planet seems to know how to reach us. including the Daily Mail. That was the. first clue that something very. suspicious was going on here. Anybody. who actually knows Erica knows this is. not how she talks which calls into. question who this so-called anonymous. source actually is.

There isn't a single word that isn't. accurate depiction of Erica's views or. comments publicly or privately. I've. personally never even heard Erica swear. at someone for starters. Erica has. remained remarkably restrained, though. she has ample reason not to be. The. story was so bad the Daily Mail had to. make a major update to it once it was. confronted with facts including. retracting their claim that the source. was a family member of the Kirk family. That's an especially egregious. correction to have to make for a. tabloid. It's unfortunate to see the.

Daily Mail doing the bidding of Candace. Owens, who of course used it as rage. bait on her show because she has no. actual evidence to discuss as she. continues this very lucrative. investigation. Maybe she's the anonymous. source. Okay, so when you have spare. time, go on to the Daily Mail website. and type in my name. They hate me. Hate me. Absolutely the coverage of me. it's positively atrocious. I mean, the. amount of times I have called out the. Daily Mail on this show for the hatred.

that they have of me. And then do do. yourself challenge and type in Erica. Kirk and Turning Point USA and you will. see the exact opposite coverage. So of course we immediately put up the. email that we received asking us for. comment as it always is a few hours. before the piece goes up um and which we. responded immediately and they said that. Erica was coming after us in a piece and. here's what she was going to say. We. gave a comment, the article was up a. couple of hours later and we covered it. on the show. The idea of an I am. colluding with the press anywhere. Where.

can Candace Owens get a good fair. article written about her at all? Everything is she's demonic, she's evil, she's awful. Erica's a grieving widow. and he is now accusing me of having some. sophisticated apparatus where I'm. calling myself a BI and a soulless. ghoul. So I challenge him. I Andrew, this is. made up truly. Which only thing that's. made up is what you're saying obviously. You're now facing backlash, probably. under a little bit of pressure. um because this was a really dumb. article to plan against me, and you guys. work have proven that you work with.

Daily Mail because you chose them and. sent them the video of Erica Kirk being. named by Charlie Kirk. The public's not. allowed to see it, but the Daily Mail. was allowed to see it. We know you work. with them. So, to pretend that you don't have an. established relationship, anybody is. free to see, and to blame me, that is. the definition of somebody striking you. um while crying out in pain. Like, that. is Andrew Kolb that right now in a. nutshell. Striking me while crying out.

in pain because it backfired like every. single one of their attacks. Erica. name-checked me when she was dressed. like Janet Jackson. That backfired. That. was a bad idea. Multiple He acts like she's never come. after me. She's come after me. She has. come after me and name-checked me. multiple times, and every time she does. it, it backfires. And this time you're now. like actually every time say it's my. fault. Right? This NCRI article that you were. promoting, Digital Assassin. This is all. you. I don't have a PR apparatus, okay?

Mitchell receives the request, and he. asks me if I want to comment. Nine out. of 10 times, I say, "Mitchell, you can. say whatever you want. I don't care. because I don't get any good press. It. doesn't matter for me to try to clean up. or correct or say anything. The press. hates me. I'm at war with the press at. all times because they are an extension. of the state, and Erica is deeply. protected by the state. Everybody can. see that. So, it's just incredible. Obviously, immediately, my PR person dropped the. receipts, Mitchell, and showed the. article and was just like, "You're.

blaming us because you're terrible at. PR. Here is a Here is the email that we. received uh from the Daily Mail asking. us to comment, and we did comment.". Uh and so, I am challenging. This is. like This is so open and shut. If the. Daily Mail created an article. of which actually secretly Candace was. behind and attributed quotations they. have not removed the article. They have. not issued any retraction. Turning Point USA could very easily get. them get a lawyer to send out and demand.

that they retract it. They're they're. using direct quotations. You can't do. that. That is the clearest case of. defamation ever for an article to make. for a journalist, a senior reporter no. less, to make up quotations out of whole. cloth that never happened. And here's. what I will say, I am so sick of this. Now they're saying, "I've never even. heard Erica swear.". I've never even heard her swear. Do you think we're dumb? Do you think. people can't watch her during her. pageant years, uh uh when she's trying. out for every real you know reality and.

TV and Erica literally says, she's asked. the question, "What is something you wish that you. could say to your younger self?" Advice. that you wish you could give to your. younger self. And she says, "Don't try. cocaine.". Well, that's weird advice ice to give. Erica used to party. Okay, that's fine, by the way. The idea that Erica has. never swore and doesn't swear again is. this bizarre caricature that they have. been trying to build of Erica as like. this strong, loving quick Christian who.

never does anything wrong. Erica really. is a nun behind the scenes. I have told. you explicitly, she's nasty behind the. scenes. She is. Any comment Andrew Kolbint on what I'm. saying about her calling priests and. calling people and telling them to pull. out of a Catholic prayer event because I. was going to be praying? Like. I mean, they had nothing to do with. politics, nothing to do with you guys. Is that Is that the sweet Christian girl. that you're talking about? No, she. operates behind the scenes. She has been. operating behind the scenes and she.

works with you. What kind of Christian lies about a. surgeon call? What kind of Christian would just say. lie explicitly, say Andrew Kolbint went. rogue, the surgeon went rogue and I had. no idea about it. That's not true. Would you like to double down on that. claim, Andrew? How about you do that? If. I'm lying and she's so pure and. innocent, then why don't you guys. respond to that? Did the surgeon go rogue and violate. HIPAA and speak to you one-on-one alone. without Erica's approval? Did you tweet. that without Erica's approval?

Honest Erica. She's never told a lie. She's never. swore, she's never used that language. She's just so pure. Who are you fooling? Who do you guys. think you are fooling with this repeat. act? I could have thrown in her time when she. was partying, people that were reaching. out telling me about the how she. partied, people who partied with her. We. left all that off the table because. Erica was in her 20s and Erica's allowed. to party. I certainly I mean I I was not. doing drugs and cocaine, but I certainly.

partied. I always tell people that I was. partying in New York City. Catch me at. PHD, the Electric Room, 1 Oak. So we left that off the table, but the. idea that you're now trying to paint her. as so innocent that she doesn't swear so. that you can blame me for what you guys. not just did to me, have been doing to. me non-stop, promoting influencers that. attack me non-stop, go after my family. It's unbelievable, Andrew. Your PR. strategy is a nightmare. So I am.

challenging you. I am asserting. definitively. that I had nothing to do with the Daily. Mail article. I have nothing to do with. any press that's being written about. Erica because the press hates me. I'll I'll go to court with you. You you. got them for defamation. If Candace was. behind these two these direct quotations. taken from a family friend, an article. that has not been retracted, I'm I am your ally, Andrew. That's. really dirty business for a senior. reporter to do. That person should be. fired. Like you should you should actually. pursue that. That would be a good use of.

your time rather than tweeting stupidity. into the universe as seems to be the. full-time job of both you and Blake. Okay? Anyway, a couple of things that I did. want to respond to from yesterday's. episode. We got a lot of emails and. tomorrow is when we're going to cover. obviously who Ben Shapiro was allegedly. lunching with when he found out and got. the news and his security sprung into. action and spoke to we still don't know. who on the phone in the car. A couple of.

people thought that the car looked like. it was burnt and the panel was black and. brown. That's actually just so you guys. know, you can get that's just an option. on a car. It That one looks particularly. dry, but like you can get that option on. a car. I've seen that many times. So. we're actually showing you that is a a. full option on a car. That's not um uh. any type of conspiracy there that there. is black and that there is brown. Um and. then I also wanted to. comment on people who noted that Mikey.

had two phones. We've been getting a lot. of emails about this. Mikey having two. phones in the news clip that we showed. you yesterday walking into the hospital. Also, we It's a fact Mikey did have two. phones when him and Charlie walked into. the event. The reason why I have not. commented on that and and also Blake. Neff oddly saying I put that phone away. That implies there's another phone. Everyone would just say I put my phone. away and Blake Neff does say I put that. phone away and I can show you that clip. Take a listen.

>> I remember he calls Erica. I around the same time I pull out my. phone and I call my mom just to say Mom, there's been a a shooting. You're going. to see it on the news. I'm okay. You. know, pray for me. I've got to go. And I. remember that call. And around the time I I put that phone. away and then he immediately calls his. dad. He calls Robin McCoy. >> Okay. I put that phone away. That's That. is strange. That is You would say I put. my phone away. You would not say I put. that phone away unless there was another. phone. But we don't have um anything concrete.

and what I mean is what I can say. definitively is that when me and Charlie. did events, a lot of times we would hand. our phones to our assistants. So, I. don't know if Charlie had his phone. I've not yet seen or I guess I should. say I haven't myself looked to see if. Charlie had his phone on the table in. front of him. because Mikey could just be holding. Charlie's phone. And Mikey could have. taken Charlie's phone to the hospital. Um I will look for that, but that's the. reason why I haven't replied. And. obviously Blake and I have seen that. phone isn't enough evidence to suggest.

that all of them had two phones. Mikey. may have had two phones. That's that is. a plausibility, but it is also a. plausibility that Charlie gave his phone. um to Mikey just ahead of the event cuz. I did that a lot with Charlie. We'd hand. our phones to our assistants and then we. would go on stage. So, um I'll leave it. at that. And I do also want to show you. one more um email that we got from a. seamstress regarding what was in the. car. She wrote, "Candace and Baron" she CC'd.

Baron on this email. "I am a seash- a seamstress for 20 plus. years. That item clearly has a seam.". referring to the burned item on the. floor, and you can see the precise. spacing of each thread in the seam. I. have included photos of the areas that I. am referencing. I believe the larger. portion of the cloth that we see that we. can see is the outside of the shirt. evidenced by the visible seam line. On the top it appears the shirt is. folded, so the char would be on the. inside of the shirt. I also included a. photo of what makes sense to me of how.

that seam. could fit onto the shirt. It would be on. the lower portion of the sleeve. Then we. would be missing the area where the seam. joins into the armpit. Continued to another seam down the side. of the shirt that is less clear to see. the thread indentations, but maybe you. have a higher resolution photo than my. screenshot from today's phone from say. show. Please let me know if you need. more clarity, and here is the photo that. she which was I thought was very helpful. of how how was describing that. She sort. of flattened it and. uh is basically saying that it. represents the front and the back of his.

shirt. It's interesting. It certainly is interesting um what she. is describing. And she gave us this, the. inside of the shirt, the outside of the. shirt, and the folds, of course. I don't. have seamstress eyes. I just told you. guys that we got so many emails from. people saying it's a shirt, shirt, shirt, and they are within the industry. So, I'm inclined to believe when it we. get that many emails uh asserting. something that it could be true. It. could also not be true. But, you know, the more you know. This. has been an open investigation into. things.

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Okay, top comment from yesterday's. episode. Uh Tenkey Ryu writes, "Who. hates it most when crimes are. investigated? Those involved in the. crimes." I I agree with that statement. Uh Julia Turner writes, "I'll never. forget." That's a quotation from Blake. Neff, who now has amnesia. It is yeah, interesting to hear him say, "I'll never. forget." Mikey's quivering lip. Ooh. I have to call Erica. Um but he was. already on the phone. So, that's. interesting thing that Blake did forget. But Blake comes in and out, you know. We're here to help Blake. Um uh comments.

from today's episode. Getting into this. Happy Party Place writes, "A standing. ovation for all that you do. Because of. you, I was led back to Christ and I'm. instilling his love in my children. For. each working a current against you, may. God send you an army of believers to. support and protect you. You are keeping. his legacy alive. Go Max Mama." Well, I can tell you that because the press. hates me so much and the government. government hates me so much and. uh really the only place that I get. support is from you guys. Truly, that's.

the only place that I can get support. and that is the thing that keeps me. going. So, um a standing ovation to you. guys as well. Joseph writes, "I would. love a Candace times Dr. Taylor Marshall. conversation. He was attacked for. opinion on the SSPX. That family is. treated more harshly than non-Catholics. I see a parallel of Candace's proximity. to the conservatism. More harsh treat. harsh treatment would be expected for. not accepting the conservatism de jure. I actually didn't see what his opinion. was on the SS SSPX. So, I'll have to.

look into that. Along many moons ago, I. was going to do something with Dr. Taylor Marshall. And then he sort of had to cancel. It. was like during Trump election season. He was kind of doing stuff with Trump. and um yeah. That's that. But then we. never really rescheduled that or tried. to make it happen again. He's a good. friends with my husband, George. And we. have hosted him here in Nashville. before. Nemesis Altus writes, Candace, thank you for being my voice that. America needs voices. America does need. voices. I agree with that. And I think.

there it's a lot it's building. Like it. feel good. Feel happy, guys. It's um. it's breaking out into the mainstream. People are beginning to discuss this all. the aspects of the case. I actually. think because of that the the. preliminary hearing was a good thing. It. was a good thing. That's what I mean. when I say everything always backfires. What an atrocious idea if you're the PR. team to have Erica invite influencers. into the courtroom. What does that look. like just on its face? Does somebody. actually have to sit you down and say, "No, actually that's a bad idea because. we're saying that the truth is on our.

side. The truth doesn't require. influencers. It just does not require. influencers to tell the truth. If the. evidence is overwhelming, we're all. going to be overwhelmed by it. You don't. need influencers telling us it's. overwhelming. And so that immediately. registered to the public as fraudulent. Unforced error after unforced error. That's not something that would be on. anybody's mind if you're going to face. the person who you allege you are fully. confident murdered your husband. The. last thing you would think is, "Well, let me call up Graham Allen and and.

Benny Johnson and see if they're free to. come.". What? How do you think people in the public. are going to take that? They're going to think that you need. influencers because you're not telling. the truth, because you aren't confident, because you don't think the facts are. enough. That's common sense. That's not Candace. making that happen. It's common sense. Like. please have a little bit more faith in. the public than to think that they're. going to be swayed by obvious influencer. campaigns. They're so obvious. Like I.

said yesterday when we were tracking, all of a sudden they're all bringing up. Sandy Hook. They're all talking about. Sandy Hook. That's an obvious influencer. campaign, which makes us believe that. your next plan is going to be a lawsuit. to try to bankrupt anybody who is. meaningfully looking into this case, and. the example, of course, will be me. Or because that's what they're all. mentioning me. Like they're going to. publicly hang me. for how everyone in the world feels. about this case, because clearly the. facts aren't convincing enough.

Again, that will be another unforced. error, but we've just come to expect. them from the Turning Point USA team. Who has reversed course in everything. that Charlie Kirk believed. Zammit writes, you know, Zammit, by the. way, you are always here. Thank you so. much. Like you we do have like repeat. people who give every day, and I'm just. really grateful for that. Um this person. writes, "Grateful to Charlie to have met. you." I'm grateful that I met Charlie. We had such a great time. Like I told. you, I I am able to like laugh again and. appreciate, and.

I'm just in a different space with it. now. Like it it took me going to Spain. and shutting off, and I don't know, something just transformed, and I'm. going, "Okay, like I can look at the. messages and feel happiness like as. opposed to like the deep deep deep. sadness and searching. Like I'm I'm. remembering so many little things and. just Charlie's character and the stuff. that he like the real Charlie, you know, not the Turning Point USA machine um. who was infiltrated and kind of turned.

into a workhorse. He was he was great, man. I wish I wish all of you guys did. know the real Charlie. Kai writes, "Stay strong. We love you. and we have your back." Thank you, Kai. Brooke writes, "You carry truth like it. costs you nothing when we all know it. costs you everything. That's what real. courage looks like. You've given so many. of us the nerve to think clearly again. in a world built to punish that. Go Max. Baby Christ is king." Thank you, Brooke. That's is really, really sweet and it. has cost a lot over this last couple of. years. It definitely has literally cost.

a lot over the last couple of years, but. we've gained a lot and we've gained. more. I mean, we've gained friendships. and I was thinking the other day. like. that sadness that I felt thinking that. Charlie's last days were spent. sort of waking up and realizing that. everything in his life was a fiction, a. play, a movie. Um now I feel a swell of. emotion realizing that Charlie, he never. got to meet these friends, but Charlie. had a lot of friends, man. He's still a. trending topic and people are dedicating. their lives uh to this and uh what would.

Charlie say? He he he can see it. I I. have to think that Charlie could see it. and he's seeing the Baron Colemans and. last night I was jumping in the chat of. Lionel Nation. and seeing how much people care about. him. Like he did have friends and he has. friends and. I don't know, I just I just wanted to. say that. Like I that makes me feel. better just to see like, you know, if. Charlie was not a real person, that was. what he earned. That's what he was. building towards. That's the account. that he was building. Was that when he. died so many people were spiritually. impacted by it that they've been staying.

on this journey to learn the truth about. what happened. His death meant. something. It means something. And that. is only because he was such a good. person and and he he lived honorably. So. please do not accept the filth that. Andrew Colberg is selling that Charlie. was some liar and secretly he hated. everybody and was deceitful and working. behind the scenes. That's not who he. was. Nattie Nicole writes, "Candace, I saw a. 15-minute compilation video of you and. Charlie laughing together on YouTube and. it painted such a beautiful picture for. those who weren't around back then.

How dare they attempt to erase that? I. pray for you always. I have not seen. that. Where is that? Where is Where is this? You got to try. to find that, Sky. I have no idea where that is. Or Ashley, if you could look that up. I did not. That That will I'm ready to see it. I. was not um. in a place emotionally where I could. watch the clips of me and Charlie. And I. told you guys that instantly. Like we. laughed like no other. Like the just we. had names for everybody, names for. ourselves. He made fun of himself. He. was so self-deprecating. Like I could.

send him people making fun of him and be. like, "Haha, this is so accurate. This. is you." And he could send me things of. people making fun of me. Um is that. which is the best quality when you can. laugh at yourself and not take yourself. too seriously? And um. yeah, I'm I think I could be prepared to. watch that. It was There were We went. everywhere together. We really did. And. it. Yeah, I don't know. There's nothing. really else to say about that. But I I. look forward to watching that. Uh Oh, you found it. Let's Let's uh pull. that up. I want to see what called.

>> should never be an option. And also, surround yourself with people like. Candace that whatever you're doing that. can relate. >> No, I just want to see like the first. minute. >> something that um they're going to tell. you, you know, the truth and they're. going to be honest. Um but they'll also. have your back. And I understand this. might sound um cliché, but it's so hard. to find that. Right. It's so hard to. find that kind of loyalty that um you. know, the the kind of the old expression. is. you know, when you're in a foxhole, you. want you want someone who is not going.

to tell you that there's no bullets. being fired. You want just to say where. the bullets are coming from. >> Right. Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah. >> you don't want someone in the foxhole. with you being like, "Well, want to get. a hot dog? Like maybe a burger, a. smoothie?" You want to say, "No, no, no. There's a machine gun nest over there. There's mortar shells coming from there. Here's what we're going to do to be able. to do that.". >> action to get out of this. >> Exactly. And and and um that's the type. of friend that you want. And you. definitely don't want one that's going. to run for the hills behind you and. you're alone. >> You run. >> We much. You understand like the. divinity of him tweeting that. >> I'm literally.

So, I want to jump into some of these. questions. >> Sure. We could go on forever. This could. be a 5-hour podcast. >> We're going to Yeah, we're going to end. up talking about that for a while. I actually am going to watch the full 15. minutes of that. That's fantastic. Whoever did that at Deseret, it looks. like. Thank you so much for putting that. together. I really That's really. meaningful. I didn't have the heart to. do it myself, but. Anyway, you guys, we are We have merch. available on our website as I always. tell you. It's the easiest way to. support us in the independent work that. we do is to just buy a hat, buy a stand.

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