An Eyewitness At Timpanogos. A Shocking Discovery About The Medical Examiner… | Ep 369

All right, you guys. Happy Thursday. Of. course, you know that is our Friday. We've had a lot of fun this week. Many, many tears were shed, most of them from. Blake and Neff. I was remarking how odd. it is that for 10 months straight we. were told that all the widow wants is. transparency. Erica just wants. transparency. She's asking the judge to. show everyone. everything so that there are no. questions left. And then I I share a. video. and they're like, "Locker up. Locker. up." You just can't make this stuff up.

So, quite literally just before we were. going to go live today, Ashley, my. producer, made a shocking discovery. about the medical examiner who performed. Charlie's autopsy. And I'm currently. pretty unwell over it cuz I I just can't. take this anymore. Everything is just so. obviously wrong. Fastest autopsy ever. Just in the middle. of the night, couple of hours, he's. done. Who did this? Who performed this? Now we've got the chief medical examiner.

resigning. The person who signed off on. it though is one that we are going to be. speaking about, Dr. Andrew Guajardo. And there's more because we also. received a pretty explosive tip. regarding the clothing of Charlie's. security team and where that went. You. remember the clothing they were wearing. in the car en route to the hospital? They were covered in blood. The amazing. Mikey McCoy got them scrubs. Well, we. have an idea what. what may have happened to the clothing. thereafter. And we are going to stick. with the hospital theme today because.

we've all been wondering where the heck. all of the hospital witnesses are. Like. this is an ER, sir. Where are the doctors, nurses, other. patients? It's almost as though no one. was there but Turning Point USA. How. could that be? We've come across a source and the story. that we've been told is incredible. And. if true, it very much implies. foreknowledge of Charlie's. assassination. So, let's get right into. it. Welcome back to Candace. >> I'm a mess.

I don't even know where to begin, so. we're just going to start, okay? His name is Dr. Andrew Guajardo. He is. from New York. He moved to Utah in 2018. and was working as an assistant at the. medical examiner's office. In 2024, when our chief medical.

examiner, Dr. Deidra Amaro, uh. the began to rule the roost, she decided. to select him as her deputy, so he was. promoted in 2024. when she got there to the role of deputy. chief examiner. Okay. So, Charlie Kirk, we are told, we were. told, things are kind of shifting now, but we were really told that he was. murdered by a trans furry kid on a. rooftop, a gamer. I do want to say there's still no proof.

of him being trans or into trans furries. beyond the influencers that were. immediately sent out to tell us this was. a left versus right war, that there was. an LGBTQ narrative here. Uh we were also told that he confessed. to his crime to his friends, his fellow. gamers, on Discord. Here are some of. those messages that he uh tells them. that he's speaking to people Jug. Barnaby, Marina, we've got a girl in.

there, a guy in there, and he says, "Hey. guys, I have bad news for you all. It. was me at UVU yesterday. I'm sorry for. all of this. I'm surrendering through a. sheriff friend in a few moments. Thanks. for all the good times and laughs. You've all been so amazing. Thank you. for everything.". Such such an odd thing to do, to just. keep confessing. Right? Uh Lance, Tyler Lance Twiggs, Tyler. Robinson's alleged boyfriend, has. indicated in his interview that Tyler.

was very into gaming, not politics, he. said, but gaming. So, we have a storyline which involves. trans furry gamers to be specific. Now, of course, the majority of the. public is suspicious. Right? Just. suspicious, to say the least. Over the. text messages, the Discord confessions, even more so after seeing the Spider-Man. ninja who jumped from a low-rise rooftop. with the skill, precision, and. fearlessness of a SEAL Team Six member.

But, after listening to the preliminary. hearing, we suspect that Tyler. plausible. could have been set up by Lance. His prints are everywhere. He lives with him. Uh he had the login to It's plausible. that he could have have a login to his. boyfriend's Discord. That wouldn't be. strange. When you're dating someone and. living with them, uh his prints were. less degraded, certainly, than Tyler. Robinson's were on the gun, which had.

dust in the barrel, so likely wasn't. even fired. Who could have had access to. Tyler's stuff? The Discord element just feels a little. fetty, right? Just a little federal. trappy, I might say. So, who is this Dr. Andrew Gohardo? Right? Anything that might be of. interest in his background? That was. kind of how Ashley began. She's like, "Oh, I wonder about the medical. examiner.". I wonder who he is. I said, "Yeah, we. should get to that." And it turns out.

there's something very interesting to. know about him. And it's who he's. married to. His wife is someone. who might be of interest, who might be. an expert in this category. Honestly, they might bring her in as an expert, because Dr. Andrew Gohardo. is married to a furry. I kid you not. Or at least the very. least we can assert is that he's married. to someone who encourages, supports, works with, and propagates the culture. of furries, and occasionally dresses up. as one herself. He's married to a woman.

named Dr. Ashley Brown Guajardo. And. here she is. Meet Ashley. Now we had to we obviously uh turned the. sound off because there was music as she. was dancing as a furry, and she was. promoting uh her book, and she used the. hashtag, you know, furry. We're going to. read what this book is about before I. tell you more about her cuz this is just.

all just so incredible. Let's uh pull. this up Penguin Random House book that. she was promoting. She She published. this book, Play Like a Fangirl, okay? And can you scroll down because it tells. you us the description. I don't know if. you can make that bigger, but I Yeah, my. eyesight's always so bad during. pregnancy. It says that the book. description is about how women and queer. gamers can express and elicit elicit. excitement, creativity, and desire in. online gaming communities and beyond. How do cosplayers, modders, fan artists, fan fiction authors, and TikTok content.

creators build communities for. marginalized and underserved fans of. games? In Play Like a Fangirl, uh. Christine and Ashley and Tonya, these. are. auth- authors are going to look at the. collective efforts of such fans to. create meaningful and arousing. connections to the video game worlds, to. characters, and to one another using. pleasure as a lens. They show how fans'. playful practices both reflect current. cultural values and shape how we relate. to video games and ourselves.

They develop the. concept of what they call the fangirl. gaze to show how communities of fangirls. can be regarded as oppositional, subversive, and transformative in terms. of societal expectations and gender, play and sex. Okay, you get the idea. Now, you're probably wondering how. Ashley became a doctor. How did she. become a doctor? Well, sociology, right? Uh sociology is uh how she climbed the. teaching ladder after achieving her.

degree and guess where she achieved it? At Arizona State University, uh she then earned her PhD in sociology. overseas at the University of Manchester. and then she became a teacher. She's. access to preschool kids. Um what we. learn from her bio is that uh {quote}. previously Dr. Kowhardo was faculty at. Brunel University in London and then the. University of Utah. Been there for. um almost 10 years, last 10 years.

She won awards for innovative and. inclusive teaching at both institutions. Since 2017, she's hosted a weekly. educational Twitch stream on games user. research models. Uh methods, pardon. She's also held several leadership. positions in industry and. academia-facing professional. organizations. She was vice president of. the Global Game Jam conference, co-director of IGDA's games user. research special interest group. I'd. like to see who funds the IGDA.

And currently serves as the president of. the Digital Games Research Association. I would like to see who funds that. If I. know about the feds, this is how they move money. Give me an. association, a 501c3, we'll get money in. there. Anyway, um as I told you, she's the. author of many books, but also the. author of sexuality and role-playing. games, dozens of book chapters, journal. articles on fandom, sexuality, particularly video games, tabletop. role-playing games, and she's currently.

working on a book which explores how. fantasy can shape your sexual desire. But the biggest thing that I want to. underscore is just how deeply uh. submerged she is in gamer culture. How. deeply tied she is to gay the gamer. community. And for the last 10 years. she's been in Utah. She works and explains the philosophy of. how gamers can engage with characters, create characters outside of themselves. That is her expertise. She encourages. and explains how people.

uh effectively can sort of separate from. their real life persona. And that, by. the way, is what a furry is. It's not. like it it's a LGBTQIA. thing. I had to look this up. I'm going. to read this to you cuz I was like, "I. don't even know what a furry is." It. says, "The term furry describes a. diverse community of fans, writers, gamers, and role players.". Most furries create themselves an animal. character called their persona. with whom they identify and can function. as an avatar within the community. So,

this is not me. This is my avatar. That is separate from me. So, you guys. remember when Lance was testifying and. he said that the preliminary hearing. that he goes by Luna? And for some. reason I felt like it was going to be. some anim- I was like, "What I don't. know if he's I don't think he's trans. I. think this is going to be some gamer. thing." I suspect that that is what Luna. is. It's a gaming character that he. engages with outside of Lance Twiggs. Okay? Here is how Dr. Ashley might explain how.

that engagement works. Take a listen. >> So, erotic. >> role play um is different from cybersex. in the sense that in erotic role play. you have this role play component. Meaning that people are not. at least explicitly playing as. themselves. They are not um seeking out. sexual interaction in a game or in a. chat room or otherwise as the human.

being that they are in their day-to-day. life. They are playing the role of a. character. perhaps in a fantasy world, perhaps from. a popular franchise like Star Wars. or just their own original character, but they are playing this character that. is different from them with different. wants, needs, hopes, and dreams, and. they're engaging with erotic content. So, cybersex on the other hand would be. when people want to engage with uh.

sexual content online or, you know, if. it's phone sex, then it's through the. phone, but that would be as themselves. So, in terms of practice, what are we. actually talking about? Well, that you. are very similar because at the end of. the day, you're still using a keyboard. to type out your erotic thoughts and. feelings and and emotions. The. difference being that one person is. doing it as a character, and one person. is doing it as themselves. Okay. I would like to again stress the point.

that Dr. Ashley has spent the last 10. years working as a professor in Utah. Okay? At the University of Utah in Salt. Lake City encouraging her students and. her gamers to join her on her Discord, to follow her Twitch, her streamer. account. And I'm wondering how big can this. community of gamers that are into this. be throughout the state of Utah? I'm wondering, have we identified. everybody on this Discord chat? I'm.

wondering. can we Is this a coincidence? How big can this community be? And. similar. to um Dr. Amara, Dr. Amara has left uh. the building. She's no longer at Utah. Ashley and her husband have both They've. now gone to New York. He's accepted Now, he's going to be the chief medical. examiner in New York, and she's going to. be teaching at NYU. We should pull up. her LinkedIn, by the way. We should pull. up, just to show like. not barred from being around kids, actually encourages it. Now she's the.

assistant arts professor at NYU. full-time. So they up and left. um associate professor. I guess she left. ahead of her husband. I don't think. that's right cuz he didn't leave until. after obviously he did the medical. examiner's office and they are they are. married. But assistant professor, University of Utah. She's just been. around. students for a very long time. So again, I'll ask the question, how big. can this particular gaming furry create. a character that is outside of yourself,

join me on Discord, Twitch community in. Utah be? Has she ever come across Lance Twiggs? That's be a question that I would ask. I. just feel like that's a question that I. would like to know the answer to. Across. her 10-year uh career in Utah and also. being on the board and working with. these outside organizations and. associations, uh. studying these people and encouraging. this lifestyle. I'll leave it at that.

Because I am just. jaw on the floor with all of this. So. Charlie effectively had a a lesbian cuz. Dr. Amaro was dating a woman. um and Deidra Amaro and. I don't know what to describe. Dr. Andrew as. Andrew Gerhardt, I guess. I don't know. he what he's married to. He's got to be. remotely into this. Too many coincidences. Moving on from that, interesting little. tidbit for you. Remember how Frank Turek.

described them receiving scrubs from the. hospital? And I've always found that to. be remarkably suspicious. You don't just. get surgical scrubs at an ER because. you're covered in blood. Uh still, by. the way, nobody knows why or how he got. that blood on him because if Brian. Harpole is to be believed, he was doing. all of the work while Rob Cutler was. holding him, while Frank was praying in. the back. So, we asked the question, how. could these stories be so different. where Frank says he did CPR and Brian.

says he didn't? Did Frank just write himself into the. story because he needed to explain why. he took off all of his clothes to the. hospital and was wearing scrubs? Because. it would be pretty weird if you did that. if you were not in fact covered in. blood. There had to be another reason. that you did that if you were not in. fact covered in blood. Like I said, Brian doesn't recall Frank. doing CPR. Frank says Brian was. distracted and just didn't realize what. he had done for the last 30 seconds. He. just got distracted on this remarkably. short car ride to the office and didn't.

see him lay Charlie down flat and start. doing. mouth-to-mouth CPR. Okay. But I'd wondered, we had all sort of. wondered aloud, what exactly happened to. their clothes then, right? Brian said, "I cut Charlie. I took the. shirt." What happened to the clothes? Well, I will say Frank Turik's name was not. explicitly mentioned, but uh I did hear. that the feds, the FBI, took the clothes. from certain members of Charlie's.

security team security team down to. their boxer briefs, took their clothes. Down to their boxer briefs the FBI took. their clothing. So, how are we to digest. that? Well, in a normal scenario, we would. think, "Oh, great. They obviously did. that in an effort to collect evidence. That's what they should be doing, bagging the clothing and sending it to. be stored for further examination or in. case it comes out uh maybe further. testing, might maybe it'll come up in uh.

throughout the course of the court. cases.". But this is not a normal situation. These feds were not doing anything. normal, right? We know this because we. learned that the feds immediately had. the car towed, sent away, wanted it. cleaned and resold. They didn't take it and go, "Let's keep. this for evidence." They get rid of the. car. So, I don't think that they said, "Get rid of the car, but let's keep. Brian Harpole's or Rick Cutler's boxers.

for evidence." In my mind, they likely. took their clothes and had them. destroyed. That's in my mind. I don't. know that for certain. It's an unknowable thing, unless you are. Tyler Robinson's defense team and you. can demand access to that sort of. information, which I would if I was on. Tyler Robinson's defense. Down to the boxers. The feds took it. You see, I'm a I'm a person who. actually, just to be clear, so that I'm. record, I want the judge to come back in.

September and say that there is enough. evidence to move the case forward, that the influencers were convincing. uh me and Turning Point in that regard. we're kind of rooting for the same. thing, but for different reasons. I. personally just want to see how long. they can keep this farce going. I want more information to become. available to the public. I want to see. them do that thing that's going to. happen more like, I don't know. I don't my body cam just went out at. right exact moment when I found the. screwdriver. It's going to be a lot of that.

I want the story to become increasingly. more cartoonish, for the influencers to. become influencers to become more. radical. uh because I think it's needed for the. world to awaken. to what exactly it is that rules over. us. >> [snorts]. >> I also want to mention a little bit more. about this hospital. Another very. interesting tip that we received, and I. believe this is a potentially explosive. lead, and in the interest of protecting. the source, I'm going to remove the. narrative and just tell you the facts. regarding uh what allegedly took place.

Now, many of us have noted how odd it is. that there were no eyewitnesses to the. extremely. erratic, chaotic, and. utterly improbable ER scene that was. depicted by Brian Harpole where. where are the witnesses? Where are the. witnesses we wondered to this. middle-aged man jumping on a stretcher. stretcher which he treated himself to. treat yourself take a stretcher on your. own if you feel you're important enough. then took out some scissors who knows. where he got those from maybe from his.

bag and jumped onto the onto the gunshot. wound victim cut a freedom t-shirt in. half to prep for a defibrillator that. nobody mentioned to you while going back. and forth with the surgical team about. what drugs to give to Charlie. That clip can never be played enough by. the way. So far beyond ludicrous that we. should take a listen to it again. >> We get to the hospital. actually we we make it to the hospital. through the traffic. We've got full room.

back in we get out and we carry in. to the door once we make it into the. door where we see a gurney on the left. hand side. We put him on a gurney and. then I wheel him into a room. I start uh. giving. um. uh. the patient information. to the staff there. I end up getting on top of him and. cutting the shirt that he had on off. that white freedom shirt. And so I cut it off so they could get to.

him so that um. I I I I didn't articulate this to them. but I wanted to get that stuff off so. they could put a defibrillator on him. And so. uh um. and then start talking about pushing. drugs. And so I was back and forth and with. them on drugs and defibrillator. And. and so then um. you know once you get that cut shirt off. shirt cut off and moved out of the way. you know there's enough of.

medical professionals in there and so I. just want to get out of their way. And so um, I out of their way and walked. out of the room and then stood outside. uh the room and held guard on the. outside door of the room so nobody else. could come in there. >> [laughter]. >> Okay. So, that's a man who fell asleep. watching Dr. House reruns. Okay, that that's just that it's just. like it's just.

he just pictured himself as Dr. House. None of that was real life. But it it I love the part where he's. like, "And then I excused myself." Like. they I was I could have stayed in. longer, obviously, but nobody asked me. to leave. I just was like, "Okay, let's. run through the drugs. I need 2 g I need. 2 mg of this. I need 2 4 mg of this. Hey, bring in this. Who's got the T. Okay. All right, there's enough for you. guys. I'm I'm going to I'll I'll see. myself out and I'm going to guard the. door. None of that takes place in a real. emergency room setting. We just know. that that doesn't take place in a real.

emergency room setting. I am so tired of. having to play stupid and interested in. these narratives that they keep spinning. that are coming from TV. Okay? They're He is not in charge of deciding. what medicine to give to administer to a. patient that you've rushed in and said. has a gunshot wound. There would. actually be more security. protocol. You'd be thinking, "Did a. husband. shoot his wife?" You know, you don't. just trust people. Now he's got a pair.

of scissors. You just would be like, "You need to you you need to see. yourself out." Thank you. Not this guy. Anyway, back to our question. Where are. the witnesses to the events that took. place that day. at Timpanogos Hospital? Where are they? That's a scene. Did they Did they see him doing that? Did you Didn't they see Dr. House, Dr. Harpole House? Well, listen to this. I am told. that at some point in the 10:00 a.m.

hour. on September 10th. So, to be clear, and. this is crucial, over 2 hours before Charlie was shot, the Timpanogos Hospital staff directed. everyone who was in the emergency room. into a different wing of the hospital. People were not sure what was going on. The staff was directed to move everyone. in the emergency room to a different. wing of the hospital. Then after some time, at approximately.

11:30 a.m., patients were informed that they would. be transferred. aboard shuttles to Intermountain. Hospital. That's That's Utah Valley. Hospital. And that's what happened. All of the emergency room patients and. all of their files were then transferred. to Intermountain. So, there's effectively no trail outside. of hospital cameras, which have been. conveniently seized by Kash Patel's.

office, of these patients ever having been at. Timpanogos Hospital. Now, there are a. few things I'd like to say here. First, there's always a trail. There's always a trail. Somebody, somewhere, drove that shuttle. bus, booked the shuttle bus, saw the. shuttle bus arriving at Intermountain. Hospital, was working at Intermountain. Hospital when a shuttle bus stopped and. people emerged and files mysteriously. then were transferred. And if you are. that somebody,

that one body, please email us. By the way, I just want to mention, if. you were one of those patients, you. probably should also contact a lawyer, but. you can't pull that off without. something. There's also some techy. people, maybe the Google satellite. imagery. This shuttle, somebody's going. to look up shuttle companies. There was. there a weird trip that day? Let's get on that. More tips at CandaceOwens.com, because if we are able to prove that. this took place beyond a shadow of a. doubt with paperwork,

then. I would say foreknowledge of Charlie's. assassination can no longer be disputed. So again, please email us more tips at. Candace Owens.com. Now I can tell you I. trust very much that this information is. accurate. Uh and I would now like to remind you. guys of another fact which I think. supplies some credence to this claim. A story which we broke way back in. October of last year, on October 28th to.

be specific, we couldn't figure out why, but we were like, Charlie has a hospital. file that was at Utah Valley Hospital. We were so confused by this. Somebody. had leaked this to us. People who worked. there were certain that he was being. treated at Utah Valley. at Intermountain. because not only did he have a file. there, but they were specifically. instructing people. um not to touch or open that file. Do. you remember that? I'll just going to. show you that file again. October 28th, we we did this episode. Uh do we have. that file?

Okay, they're going to pull it up in a. second. You'll just let me know, Sky, when you have it. So we were completely. bewildered. We were going, did they even. go to Timpanogos? We don't have anyone at Timpanogos. We. were asking the question, did they go to. uh did Charlie actually secretly go to. Utah Valley Hospital? Uh we had specifically mentioned that. the Timpanogos hospital system, they use. a system called uh called Epic didn't. did not speak to Utah Valley's. Intermountain Health System, so it made.

it entirely no sense that Charlie's file. would appear there, but it was there. And there was no way this person could. have made it up because it had Charlie's. personal details, even his like home. address back in Illinois, which is not. available to the public, and we never got an answer on this. We. were just like, why would Charlie's file. I actually was inclined to think that. Charlie was actually brought there. But now I'm going, well, if what this. source, and I trust this source, is. telling us is accurate,

then we may have our answer. All emergency room files on September. 10th, which included Charlie's, were transferred out, electronic files. were transferred out to Utah Valley. And that is. a massive scandal. A massive scandal if we can get a uh uh. hard evidence that proves that. And I'm. going to show you that document now, by. the way, because you probably don't.

remember this, but yes, we broke the. story. There he was. Uh it said Charles J. Kirk and it uh. had him in [clears throat] there, and we. had more information that we just wiped. cuz we wanted to protect person who had. given us this, but it did have also his. beyond his birthday, it also had his um. address. And other people were also in the. system. So, we were we're looking at. Utah Valley's system, and Charlie was a. patient on September 10th. Anyway,

uh there. there is more. And. uh. that I could tell you, but I I I think. it would identify a source, so I would. rather not do that. All right, you guys, we should. definitely uh take a break. I think. we're about 30 minutes into this. We'll. be right back. All right, you guys, our great nation. turned 250 this year. We represent 2 and. 1/2 centuries of possibility, growth, and some of the greatest minds in human. history. What will the next 250 years. look like? Next generation of Americans. could be the most impactful, but first.

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Speaking of which, yesterday we received. so many emails from surgeons and doctors. and people that are in the medical field. cuz I did not even bother how traverse. and give my medical opinion cuz I I I'm. not informed. I I trust the people who. work in these industries to tell me. things I need to notice. Similar to the T-shirt and people going, "That's a T-shirt on the ground. That's. the T-shirt. It turns into plastic.". Uh well, people uh who work in the. medical industry were deeply bothered, deeply bothered by uh Charlie's medical.

exam, uh the little bit that was. published by the prosecution in their. filing yesterday. And I just wanted to. read you a couple of these emails that. we received. This person wrote, "Dear. Candace, so much gratitude for your. razor-sharp investigation and intuition. I am a board-certified anesthesiologist. with 25 years of clinical experience, and I have a solid grasp of anatomy. I. agree with you and John Bray that the. exploding mic theory is the best. explanation of what we could grasp from. the limited footage available. Briefly,

number one, given the eruption of blood. and or of a tissue emanating from. Charlie's neck, it is clear that the. large vessels of the neck, the left. carotid artery and the jugular vein, were transected. This kind of extrusion is more. consistent with an exit wound. However, because because large blood vessels were. involved, we cannot rule out the. possibility that a bullet entering his. left neck would have resulted in what we. saw. Two, if Charlie was shot from the rear. and the bullet exited the left neck, it. would most certainly do what was. observed. However, there is no evidence.

that he was shot from behind. Three, if. Charlie was hit from the front, momentum. from the bullet would have sent his. torso backwards. That is not what we saw. Four, a shaped charge in the road. microphone would have sent a projectile. from his R anterior chest upward and. leftward, likely exing exiting from his. left neck or entering his cervical. spine. The projectile would have almost. certainly damaged both lungs and. possibly his heart. In other words, there would have been pulmonary. hemorrhaging and possibly hemorrhaging.

around the heart as well. The exploding mic is thus the best fit. from what we could see and what the. coroner reported. The bullet fragments, however, are a mystery. I suspect that. what was found what was found was not. bullet fragments, but the casing of the. shaped charge, which would have served. as the projectile. I I do want to say this that that piece. right there about I suspect which just. go up in that email that that that could. have actually been from the shaped. charge. I was asking. my team that. I was going, "Why why is. the base assumption in this report like.

when they send these tiny little. fragments, three or four of which were. unusual. were unusable, pardon me. The the ATF. testified I think that they received. five fragments. Four were unusable. unusable and one was big enough for them. to use. Why is the base assumption that. you're looking at a bullet? It's It's like telling somebody the. answer. Like, "Hey, this is a bullet. fragment." When we know that it's it's. the same metal. It could have the same. jacketing if you use a shaped charge. I. was interested in that and something.

that. yeah, he he is suspecting that what was. found was not bullet fragments, but the. casing of the shaped charge, which would. have served as the projectile. Um I totally. agree with that. He continues, "No ambulance with. resuscitative equipment or trained. personnel immediately available. No. defibrillators, no access to IV drugs. He certainly sustained a neck injury and. his neck should have been stabilized. before moving him.". I think it wasn't stabilized because. they were hiding what was on his shirt.

It's my opinion. Given his injuries to the big blood. vessels, he would have gone into. hypovolemic shock, massive blood loss. within minutes and would have required. cardiac resuscitation, which meant that. chest compressions would have been. immediately required to restore blood. circulation. None of that was initiated at the scene. and would have been nearly impossible to. perform in the back of an SUV. In my estimation, he was murdered from a. shaped charge on his ar- on his ar-.

chest and his security team did their. best in a highly rehearsed fashion to. get him the hell out of there before. anybody could see what happened. Just. going to stop that and say, this is. somebody else's opinion. It is not mine. I am just. we'll stop there. But, yeah, you get the. point. And I do believe that there is so. much evidence there. that that's what happened. That that that he. got hit by a shape charge and I think. that the.

there was no gun on the rooftop. There was a person who was told to run. and so that they could blame another. decoy. Everybody's looking at Lozi. And we are being lied to. I think we all. agree. That's why you're here, right? This next person said that they're a. transplant coordinator. Um previously a scrub nurse in the OR. for years and I worked at a level one. trauma center. I have scrubbed in on. more gunshot wounds than I could ever. count. I've never seen thoracic trauma.

or hemorrhaging for that matter in a. gunshot wound to the head or neck. There would have to have been a blunt. force trauma to the chest, which would. make a lot of sense if his microphone. exploded under his shirt. Also, I was yelling at the TV when I was. watching Baron's podcast the other day. regarding the autopsy. It takes at least. eight hours for your deep core body. temperature to reach 40° in a morgue. cooler. The time line would only support. about three hours in the morgue. depending on how much time Erica spent. with him when she arrived. And that's if.

his body was ever taken to the morgue. Nothing about the case makes any sense. and it's infuriating. I thank God for. all of your hard work. Go max. Justice. for Charlie. That was interesting, too. I told you the speed of the autopsy is. incredible. We were looking this up and. it is true that the protocol is to bring. the body down to 40° in the morgue. Usually it obviously these things do not. happen by morning time. You're prepared. to be shipped especially in a case. that's big. Why wouldn't you want to do. the most thorough autopsy of all time?

And um that wasn't the circumstance. here. It was rushed, but we did look up, even though it's not normal, doesn't. follow normal protocol, it certainly. isn't illegal to just instantly dive. into doing an autopsy. Um it it they the. the body um. it it's it's capable of doing that. within, I think, what was it? 12 hours? 12 hours before they start to get. decomposition. We were looking that up, so the body wouldn't have decomposed, but it's just not what they usually do. Everything was extraordinary. Like, they.

just rushed it. And when you. do the timeline of how quickly that all. had to happen, it's insane. Why? Why would you want that rushed? Why would you want that rushed? I think we all know why you would want. that rushed. Um the I'm going to read one more of. these comments actually from from. doctors that were writing on YouTube. One writes, "I am a surgeon based on the.

medical examiner's report, the. trajectory from the roof is not. possible. Charlie was hit in the low. neck. The medical examiner's report said. much of his cervical spine was. traumatically gone, and that the left. side of C2 to C7 was obliterated. To. have affected up to C2, it would have. had to have been an upward trajectory. from the point of entry on his neck.". I heard a a podcaster, Project. Constitution, say that Charlie was also. wearing a road transmitter at his left. waist. If this had a shaped charge, the. trajectory would make sense for entering.

below neck and hitting his cervical. spine. Uh. tend to agree with you. I'm team road mic. After everything that. I've seen, I am team road mic. So, um we will see. Anyway, I will take. a really quick break here, and we will. come back with some of your comments and. uh. thoughts. All right, you guys, a recent industry. survey found that PureTalk was the only. wireless company to receive five stars.

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Again, that's 800-795-1210, or visit americanfinancing.net/owens. americanfinancing.net/owens. I want to remind you guys that there is. still zero evidence, zero concrete. evidence that has been produced. that there was ever even a gun. on the Lozi Center. After all, this is how they do things. It's a psychological game. They want you. to fill in the blanks. They actually. produce no evidence. They just keep. saying gunshot gunshot gunshot and you.

go, "Okay, well, I saw a person run out. of the roof, so he must have been the. person who shot it." And actually, when. we went back and we had showed you that. guy um who recorded and said the only. person to capture um. who was on campus who captured before. the sound I now refer to as a sound cuz. they kept telling us gunshot uh went. off, he says that he sees someone up on. the roof right there. He doesn't say. It's remarkable. He recalled in detail. the military movements and some guy. getting into position. What he did not.

say, however, was that he saw a man with. a gun get into that position. So, if he. observed a person military crawling, which has been true proven true, and he. saw this person gets down and into a. position, and then whipped out his phone to record. it. Don't you think the first thing he. would have said was, "I just saw. somebody with a gun on the roof?" I. mean, listen to what he actually says. Again, this is recorded seconds before. the sound of an explosive went off. Take.

a listen. >> Getting right up. >> Yeah, you think he'd already be in. place? >> You would think that. So, there's somebody on the roof right. there. Just saying. >> Huh, he just ran from uh. over Where's my finger? Well, go from over there, ran in. And now he's right there. Just saying. >> And then he stops recording and then he. hears a bang and then he's going, "Oh.". And then the news is is saying Charlie.

Kirk was shot with a gun from someone on. Lozi Center and he's thinking, "Oh, I. saw the person who shot him at Lozi. Center. I'm going to take this to the to the. police station and report this.". But the idea that there was ever a gun. on that rooftop of the Looney Center, that's narrative. It's not a fact, and I do not believe. that there was a gun. Least of all do I. believe that it was Tyler Robinson's. gun, which has dust on the barrel and his. prints as the most degraded that was on.

that rooftop. You might be have gotten me if you said. it was a handgun and then we wouldn't be. expecting to see it. But a German 98 Mauser, a it's completely ridiculous. So I just. want to remind you of that. That they. That's what they keep doing. That same. influencer overwhelm campaign, it's. constantly telling you not to believe. your own eyes. We will fill in the. blanks and tell you what you see. That's why they were so angry at Miss. Piggy when we dropped that video. Because people got to see with their own.

eyes and go, "Wow, um. where did Tyler Robinson learn those. moves?". Someone even pointed out just the the. bravery it takes. to just jump off of a rooftop that you. haven't You haven't tried doing that. before. Have you measured the Like I. mean, have you ever been out with your. friends and just tried to jump off of a. cliff into water below? Like how much effort it do you like. terrified? You look below a couple. times. This person just. sprints, has it, lands, keeps going. I.

Where did he learn that? What was in that Chick-fil-A sandwich? One of the greatest mysteries. What What. did he order at Chick-fil-A? Anyway, top comments from last episode. GI 6791 writes, "The fact that he'll. take the time to mock you," referring to. Andrew Colberg, "won't take the time to. answer your questions, well, it says it. all.". What says it all also is just how angry. they are. How angry? You're telling us that you're Charlie's.

best friends. You know everything about. this guy. You see that and you don't go, "Wow, that's really weird. I'm starting to. think that there may have been some more. people involved. I want some more. answers. Hey Candace, thank you so much. for releasing that footage. I really. didn't know what to think when you were. saying that somebody uh said there was. military movements, but this is this. changes the game. No. No. No, they're angry. How dare you? Here's uh we scrolled through 367 hours.

of your podcast. Here are the words you. mispronounced, so nobody. should listen to you or watch that. video. What? Are you good? Are you. sober? Chrissy writes, "No footage of anyone. pulling a gun out of their pants, but. lots of evidence of Turning Point USA. pulling another narrative out of their. butts." Yeah, and they're going to keep. doing that. They're going to keep doing. that. By the way, I think my favorite comment. came from A Ray 4544 regarding the. ridiculousness of telling us that we.

don't have a right to ask a question. uh of where Charlie Kirk buried. The. This user wrote, "We can be mailed. private love letters that Charlie wrote. to Erica that he expected no one to see. as a fundraiser material. Yeah, we can't know if he's cremated. Yes or no?". Sure, Jan. >> [laughter]. >> That's it. That's like if they they. it's ridiculous. How dare you ask that question? Can I. have anything? Yeah, how about keep the. love letters that he wrote to you.

By the way, as I said, you start to. notice that trend. I wish I had pulled. in today. That every time Erica ever posts or. shares something about Charlie, it's. actually her sharing something about. herself. Like Charlie's like, "You're amazing. I. love you." and she shares it. "Erica, you're the best person. Erica, you're so. smart." and then she shares as if she's. sharing Charlie, but she's actually. saying, "Look at how much Charlie thought I was. amazing, and you guys should think I'm. amazing, too." And I also reflected on. even that moment, and I did not think. this at the time cuz I was just in the.

stage of of grief, and I like I said, in. that moment I feel like at Memorial, I. needed something from Erica. I was just. like, "Oh, we're all going to be. fighting together." But when you reflect. on that moment, which they. sold to us, and which many of us, myself. included, believed was this. demonstration of the deepest and truest. kind of Christianity, cuz she said, "I. forgive him.". In retrospect, what Erica was doing was. so evil. She was actually saying, "I. convict him.".

I convict Tyler Robinson, not forgive. I convict. She didn't have any. idea that he had done it. We had him. He wasn't She hadn't seen. any evidence. um that herself. Maybe the assumption. was that she did, that she went to UVU. when they showed her. No. She got on that stage. She put on a. performance, and she said, "I convict. this man. I send this man to his death.".

That's the reality. That is the reality. Anyway, [snorts] some comments that you. guys have for us on today's episode. Renee Rice Charlie was killed soon after. I lost my husband. I reached out to his. first wife, and your show bonded us. Today is her birthday. We both always. stay home, so I don't see her. Please. wish Susanna a happy birthday. We love. you and all your hard work for Charlie. God bless you and your family. Happy. birthday to Susanna. Um and thank you for that comment. True.

Detective writes, "In the words of the. late Prince, and honey, I say little. dread Corvette baby, you lie too fast. Oh, little dread Corvette, you need some. bull that's going to last. Now, the '80s. have turned against Turning Point.". Yeah, there's a. Uh we're I think we're all kind of just. wondering how long they're going to keep. it up for. How long is this going to go on? It's just demanding people get arrested. That's the stage you're at. You're like. late-stage crazy. People who know the. truth and are sharing the truth, arrest. them. Raid their homes.

Okay. Uh I am relentless writes, "These people. undoubtedly suffer anxiety." I'm not. sure who specifically you're speaking. about, maybe Turning Point USA there. Mal writes, "I've heard you say a few. times that God only gives us what we can. handle, but that isn't true. God will. always give us more than we can handle. because then we will need to turn to him. for his help. He wants us to come to. him." Blessings to you. Uh Christ is. King. Now, I think it but the point is. is like it's more than you can handle, then you can handle it, right? If you if.

you get through it, man, you're you're. stronger. You get strengthened by it. So, even if at the time you're in it and you. don't think that it is helping and. you're on your knees just being like, "Please stop." That was how I felt. Like, I just remember. the trip to Russia was where I was I was. going, "Okay, I'm I'm having This is my. breaking point." There was so much that. was going on in my life in just this. you know, the Charlie assassination, obviously, at the end of last year, followed by um me then having to contend.

with the fight with realizing that they. were all fighting me because I wasn't, I. don't know, in the cartel, so to speak, and I just then had to process that. parts of my life were a lie, that. Charlie's life was a lie, and that I was. going to have to go to battle with all. of these people. That's enough to. completely break you. Then, I actually. broke my foot like actually on Friday. the 13th. Uh. like the same around the same time that.

like I found out that I was pregnant. Then, I had a cancer scare, by the way, just to be clear. It's way past it. It's. to everything's totally fine. Um but I. had It was just one of those. appointments that then turned into a. second appointment and some later. testing, which always then just takes. too long to come back from the lab. And. I was just like, "I can't take anymore.". And we're sitting here waiting for these. results to come back. It was for. thyroid, so it's also a very survivable. cancer. But um. and then. I have we're going to Russia. I'm like,

okay, I can get away, totally get away. Then you know, the president of the. United States like tweets my face. It's. like vile's most person most vile person. of the year for no reason. I have we. were not talking about Trump on this. show, so that seemed totally sideways. and crazy. And then I get to Russia and. my security security member literally. almost dies. And I just remember. at this point. being like, okay, God. Far be it from me. You know, far be it from me.

to say anything. But this feels passive-aggressive. This is starting to feel Do we have What. What did I do? Let's talk or whatever. And then you reflect on it, you get. through it, and you realize like. everything happens for a reason. You can. take on so much more than you think you. can take on. And at those moments it's. like there you're just being. strengthened. Like it's like going to a. gym and this is a terrible obviously. analogy. But you're so sore and. everything hurts, but it it makes you. stronger. Like doing those exercises.

makes you stronger. And now I just feel. so fashioned. And like I say to you. guys, I just. feel like Charlie's fighting with us. I. just keep saying that. I feel like he is. fighting with us right now, and so. um yeah, God does give you more than you. can handle, but like also doesn't give. you more than you can handle cuz you. come out the other side of it. Seven Sheets writes, I am amazed and. amused by the oh so prolific naysayers. to you online with maybe one of your. reach and believers. They're crazy, but. they seem so tough enough to open a jar. of pickles if you know what I mean. I'm. here with you and God bless. Yeah,

they're just insane. And there's. something also just extraordinarily like. gay, like 90s gay about like men that do. that full-time online. It's just like. I'm like, stop. Like stop being a woman. Like let us do. that. You see these guys like, Candace this. Candace debate me. Candace Candace don't. look at me. Candace I'm like, uh Like the culture of men online. Men when men podcast, they can't podcast. like women. Do you get what I mean? Be If you're going to be a man and. you're going to podcast like and they.

kind of carved out the podcast space. But who was it? It was the military. bros. It was like Joe Rogan having on. like UFC fighters. They were talking. about their diet and their exercise and. you're like, "Oh, that's a man podcast.". Now we have these like sissies who are. like, "Did you hear what Candace said. yesterday? Oh, did you hear what Candace. and I Ew. Please don't do that. It's so. gross. It's so gross. I hate looking at. these men. It bothers me deeply. It's. They're They're all Emmanuel Macron. Don't act like Emmanuel Macron. Act like Brigitte.

You know? Be a man. Art of Savagery writes, "God bless every. single person who has spoken up or. offered assistance in this. investigation, including those who will. speak out in the near future. To God be. the glory. Rest peacefully, Charlie. Your David has got this." Well, that is. a perfect place to end today's episode. Also reminding you if you want to. support our work, we have book club tomorrow, so we'll be. meeting. And we also have merch. available on the website. The easiest. way to support us is to buy a mug, buy a. Stand Us cup, buy a T-shirt, join the.

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