Zayn: Being Single is Freeing [Die For Me - Full Performance]

What is up, daddy gang? It is your. founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call. Her Daddy. >> Zayn, welcome back to Call Her Daddy. >> I can't believe I was thinking about. this morning. I'm like, it has been, I. think, almost three years since I last. saw you. >> Yeah. >> It's good to see you. >> How have you been? >> Uh, been good. Yeah, just uh being a dad. uh when I'm not working. Mhm. >> Uh, aside from that, yeah, we've, uh,

we've done another album. Um, Connor. Cole, uh, got it together like pretty. much after I did the Stairway to the Sky. tour. Um, felt the vibe, you know, on. stage and stuff, seeing what people were. like responding to. Uh, and then got. home back to PA and was like super. inspired to like make another record. I. think I did it in like two weeks. >> I love that you're like I'm a dad and. then like when I'm not working, I'm like. overright casual. like you're on stage. performing and then you're just like. back in Pennsylvania in your like little. bit of a contrast. Yeah. Just a just a.

little bit. >> slight one. >> To anyone who isn't familiar or doesn't. remember, >> the first episode that we ever recorded. together was in my parents house in. Pennsylvania, >> which is still a little bit of a mind. [ __ ] to me that we were I remember when. you left there were kids in the. culde-sac being like crashing into the. tree being like, "Is that Zane?" People. see me. Yeah. >> Yes. There was like little kids in the. cold sack being like, "Wait, that's not. >> I didn't notice any kids.". >> Well, cuz no one in Pennsylvania ever. gets like a star-studded moment. So, the.

fact that you're just casually leaving, >> that's why everyone think it's so weird. I live there. Everyone's always like, "Yo, you're such a weirdo. Why do you. live in PA?" But I just love it there. Um. >> I love it. >> Yeah. >> And now we're in Vegas because you have. a residency here. So like from like. Pennsylvania culdesac to Vegas, like the. vibes are just like a little different. today. >> Just a little. Um. >> I was thinking about it in that first. interview. That was your first time. really talking in almost 7 years. So, we. kind of went through everything. We. talked about your rise to fame. We. talked about you walking away from One.

Direction. We talked about your early. relationships. We went to almost. everything. So, today I think we just. hang out and catch up and have a little. bit of fun. >> Um, how long have you been in Vegas? >> Uh, been here coming up to two weeks. now. So, yeah, not too long. Um, >> what have you been doing? Have you gone. to the strip? No, I haven't been to the. strip. >> Could you even go? >> I probably could like um I don't really. go out with security and stuff. I kind. of just like. >> keep it low key. It's me and like a.

couple people from the team or whatever. So I think it like. >> attracts less attention that way. Um so. yeah, I probably could go out. I just. it's not really my vibe these days. I'm. getting a bit old. Like when I'm not. working, I just want to go home and. relax. >> How old are you again? >> 33. [laughter]. >> He's like I am such an old man. Every. 33y old. >> I feel like an old man. [laughter]. >> Everyone's like keep that energy to. yourself saying you're not old, you're. young. Wait, have you gone to the. casinos? >> Uh yeah, we had a little look cuz. obviously they had like the tables with. my face on them and stuff. So we went to. go check that out. Fun. Yeah. But I I'm.

not really a gambler either. It's not. really my thing. >> Did you lose any money? >> Never really lost a big Yeah. amount of. money in my life. Like I I bet on fights. and stuff like UFC fights, boxing fights. here and there if I know somebody's. going to win. >> How much? Uh, I've I've won some decent. money. I I I don't dare to disclose, but. [laughter]. uh I've won some decent money. Anthony. Joshua won me some money. Um, >> so you're doing well for yourself in the. batting arena. >> Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Uber.

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there. Um it's real quiet, calm out. there. You know what I mean? There's not. much going on. I don't really leave my. gaff. I'll be honest with you. I kind of. just stay there. >> Do you have neighbors? >> I do have neighbors. Yeah. But they're. quite. >> far away. >> Have you ever interacted with them? >> Yeah, I have. Yeah, we got some uh I got. a new neighbor next door neighbor. Um. within like maybe I want to say about. five six months ago now. Um so I sent. them cookies and you know, welcome to. the neighborhood. >> You sent them cookies. Did you make a. couple? No. No. I sent it sent next.

door, but they sent their number back. like and like said, "If you ever need. anything, if you want us to watch the. house or whatever, >> we've got you." Yeah, it's nice. >> What do you think they think of you? >> Uh I'm not sure, you know. Um I did have. something quite funny happen uh. recently. I was working at the house. I. was filming something for Borderlands uh. for the video game we did the song and. we had like a whole thing going on in. the field like smoke grenades and crazy. [ __ ] And somebody complained and was. like, "Zay doesn't own Pierre." I was. like, I'm I'm aware. I don't be here.

But. >> they're like, hey, what's going on in. the backyard? >> My daughter was having like a crazy. festival in in the in the back garden, but I actually was just working. >> Okay. So, you were causing like a little. bit of a ruckus, but for the most part, you're usually dead silent. >> Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. >> So, you're like, "Give me a break. I'm. not throwing parties, >> just like throwing grenades.". >> That's why I like the space, cuz I can. put the music as loud as I want and I'm. not really disturbing anybody, you Mhm. >> Something that went so viral from our. last episode together, which I thought. was so wild, was you talking about your.

animals. >> The internet lost their minds. Okay. We. talked about your cats, your dogs, your. turtles, your chickens. >> Who do we have now? How are the animals. doing? >> They're all pretty much the same. Yeah. Yeah. I've got turtles, chickens, dogs, cats. I lost one of my cats actually. recently or one of my sphinxes. Yeah. It. was kind of sad. I'm so sorry. You said. that for the chickens, you also kind of. stopped naming them at one point because. it was too traumatizing when you would. lose them. >> if something happens to them. Yeah. So. now they're just called the girls.

That's it. >> So you're not naming them anymore? >> No. No names. >> So when you see your chickens in the. morning, you're just greeting them as. like, >> "What's going on, girls? [laughter]. They're a collective now.". >> Hey, girls. I'm trying to think of your. fashion sense, right? You're kind of. known as like you got some swag going on. when you're on the farm. >> Yeah. >> What are you wearing? >> Uh. >> like are you in overalls? >> Uh sometimes actually. Yeah, sometimes. do wear overalls. I fully lean into the.

farm thing. But yeah, not just relaxed. casual stuff, you know, jeans, t-shirt, uh checkered shirt from time to time. [laughter]. >> He is so Pennsylvania. It's crazy. You're wearing full flannels. >> Yeah, it helps you blend in. Wow. Well, oh my god, I forgot we talked. about Waw Wa last time and I was like, honestly, you're a real one that you. actually go there. Do you leave your. house a lot and like go around in. Pennsylvania? Like, are you shopping? >> I'm not going to be a dick. I'm not. going to lie to you. I I I like Door. Dash and Uber Eats quite quite a lot.

Yeah. >> You're like, I've never You don't even. know what Mac McAffries is, do you? >> It's a grocery store. No, I I don't know. what Macaffer [laughter] is. >> So, you just give me Wawa cuz you're. like, I know that's a Pennsylvania. staple, but like I've probably never. even been. >> Uh, no. I've been to Wawa. I've been in. there a few times. Yeah. But I prefer to. order from there cuz usually when I'm. getting food from there, it's like 3:00. in the morning. So, >> let's talk about gardening. >> Yeah. >> I heard you've been up to gardening. lately, which I feel like you weren't. doing when I first met you. >> Mhm.

>> What are you growing over there in your. overalls? >> Uh, I actually have been growing stuff. for a minute. Um, since I moved out to. be here, maybe about a year after I was. living out there, >> I just realized there's so much land. like you can just mess around in in the. mud and [ __ ] Um, so yeah, I grow all. kinds of different stuff. Uh, melons, tomatoes, carrots, onions, uh, eggplant, pumpkin, cucumber, uh, all kinds of. chilies. Like chili plants grow really. well there, too. Um, yeah, all kinds of. stuff. Jalapenos, bullet chilies.

>> And then are you taking these and then. you're cooking? >> Yeah, take them. I freeze a lot of the. chilies cuz you can't use them all at. once, you know, unless you want to die. Uh, [laughter] but yeah, we freeze a lot. of stuff and keep it. I have been. wanting to do that. Like I probably will. never do it, but I'm like in a dream. world. I'm like I should be gardening. But like what has what's the plant. that's really frustrated you the most? >> Frustrated me? Um probably either. cucumber or um pumpkin.

>> Why? [laughter]. >> Cuz it's like a aggressive plant. Like. it it's invasive I think is the term. they use for it. and it just overtakes. everything else cuz it's got vines and. they kind of have a mind of their own. and they just strangle your other plants. and suffocate them for the light. >> Okay, good to know. So like I shouldn't. even try with. >> Don't put tomatoes or cucumbers in there. or anything. Yeah, they have to be by. themselves. >> I'm going to need to get a list from you. of like if you're going to put these in. this area that Okay, so you're pretty. like expert at this point. >> I won't say expert. I'm all right. But. yeah, cuz you're about to ask me some. questions about it. [laughter].

>> Maybe off camera. I'm like, okay, for an. idiot like me, what's the first thing. that's the easiest to grow? Um, probably. some simple like um onions or carrots. They tend to grow quite well. It don't. really matter what the climate's like. either. >> See, these are the important things we. need, Dane. Like, I know this is called. Her Daddy, but like you've got a brain. of your own over there that I feel like. you're like have a lot of weird wisdom, and this is what I'm trying to soak up. Okay. Um, let's talk about woodworking.

>> I heard from a little birdie that that's. also a new hobby of yours. What are you doing? >> Yeah, I like to carve things out of. wood. Yeah, like small pieces of wood. Not like big projects or anything, but. like small blocks of wood and I like. carve like bears out of them and stuff. >> A bear. >> I can do bird now. >> Um, >> hold on. So, walk me through that. You've got a knife or how do you do it? >> It's a carving knife. You can get like. sets that specifically made for that, like for soft wood. Um, yeah. And um I.

just watched like random YouTube videos. of people doing it and then just copy. them. >> Are you just like hoarding all of this. stuff or are you giving it away as. gifts? >> Um I was actually at one point thinking. it'd be really sick to like give them to. people as Christmas presents or whatever. cuz it takes a lot of time and it's. thought and effort. Um but the only ones. I've done so far are kayats. Like I did. them for Kai and she keeps them on a. shelf like. >> cute. Have you given her a bird or a. bear? Uh, she's got like four bears. because of like practice, you know?

First, >> the first one's like so bad. >> [ __ ] it just got better. Yeah, >> that's really cute. >> Yeah, bird. She's got like a little. bird. >> I'm interested to know like I feel like. a first date. A lot of people That's a. classic question. Someone would be like, "Tell me about your hobbies. Like, what's a hobby of yours?" It's like a. classic question. What do you think. would be one of the most attractive. hobbies someone could have? because you. obviously are a man of quite interesting. hobbies. >> Yeah. Um the most attractive hobby that. I think somebody could have um is.

probably reading. Um cuz you get. information from that, you know, it's. gives you some stimulus for. conversation. >> You want an intellectual woman. >> Yeah. May maybe someday. >> You're like, "Alex, stop it." Wait, so. would you ever like start a little book. club with someone? >> A book club? Yeah, maybe. Yeah, when I. get a bit older. Yeah, it' be kind of. cute. >> Wait, why do I feel like in Pennsylvania. I'm going to see you in the next 3 years.

and you're going to be like, Alex, that. idea sparked something and I have a full. Pennsylvania book club and it's going to. be just you and. >> I've actually made some friends in PA. now. Thank you, Alex. >> I love how you think that like people. wouldn't want to be your friend in PA. Like, everyone wants to be you just have. to leave your house, but a book club is. an easy way. Maybe you start with the. old couple that lives next to you. >> Yeah, >> let me know. Yeah, >> let me know if you get into it. >> I'll let you know. >> When you start something new, obviously. there's like a bit of a learning curve. and I think you're someone who is so.

successful and you're obviously a very. talented person, but how does it make. you feel when you maybe are kind of at a. beginner's level with things that you're. taking on and it takes time to get good. at something? Do you like that? >> That's yeah, why I get into so many. weird random things. I enjoy that. feeling. I enjoyed the the beginning. stage of not being good at something and. then seeing the progression, you know, like over the years putting that time. in. Um, even when I was a little kid in. a weird way, like when I was like 8, nine, that was what it was that enticed.

me about wanting to do music. I wasn't. great. You know, you don't just come out. and, you know, you're amazing at things. Um, I was really rubbish. You know, I. couldn't sing at all. Like I had to work. hard and practice. And. >> you actually think you couldn't sing at. all? Oh [ __ ] man. What? 8 nyear-old me. Yeah, terrible. Yeah, I won't put that. kid on stage. No. >> Okay, but terrible by your standard or. if a video came out of you at eight. Like. >> they might think it's cute, you know? Like I was quite I was quite cute, but. it's definitely not good. Yeah, talent.

level is definitely increased. I'd like. to say. >> the pitch wasn't there. >> No. >> What is your relationship to. perfectionism? Uh again closely related to the previous. question, you know, um I enjoyed this. idea of of striving for perfection. I'm. also very aware that it doesn't exist. Um so I just drive myself a little bit. insane with it. Um but I feel like it's. healthy because it pushes you further, you know, pushes the boundaries, makes. you get better. >> You said in an interview that you like.

leaning into simple things where there's. no infiltration from other people's. expectations. How much pressure do you put on yourself. to live up to other people's standards? >> None. >> None. >> Yeah. >> Have you always been like that? >> Yeah. I don't I really don't give a. [ __ ] Yeah. That's that's why I kind of. like stick to myself. Just keep to. myself. I'm not doing things for other. people's approval. Um. you can't keep everybody happy, you. know? It's not it's not really a thing. that you can achieve. Some people going.

to like you, some people are not. At the. end of the day, I think it's more. important to like like yourself. That's. a really incredible quality to have. because I think I mean I've sat down. with a lot of people and I feel like a. lot of people would say I've gotten to. that point but I haven't always been. that way and to hear that you have. Like. how do you think you've always just been. kind of secure and comfortable with. yourself? Like what do you attribute. that to? >> Yeah. I don't even know if it's so much. I would say I am secure and comfortable. with myself. I strive for that, you. know. Um, and that's the most important.

thing for me, like if I'm cool with. myself. Um, and yeah, like I guess you. do that by just, you know, living in. your truth. Like, um, and not really. caring, you know, about impressing other. people. Um, I don't know where it comes. from. I just, yeah, it's just never been. a thing. >> It's really incredible to hear you talk. like that, though. I feel like as. someone who's so public and you've been. obviously in music for so long, I'm.

curious to know what your and how you. would describe your relationship to. masculinity. >> Um, I think my relationship with. masculinity is uh unconventional in a. way. Um, I'm very aware of what toxic. masculinity is and I try to stay away. from that. Um, and I like to do things. that, you know, people wouldn't. necessarily think that I would do, you. know. Um, >> give me some examples. >> Like in, you know, in a in a cultural.

sense, I feel like, um, in the last like. 10, 15 years, things have changed, you. know, like what's appropriate for guys. to do and what's appropriate for females. to do. Um, cooking, you know, things. like that. I don't think, you know, 10. years ago people, dudes are really out. here being like, "Yo, I like cooking, you know, in my spare time." or uh I cry. at Bluey or you know whatever like um. >> just being honest you know what I mean. with the things like you don't have to. always be the cool macho dude you know I.

guess that's my relationship with. masculinity I feel like there's much. more strength in vulnerability and. honesty yeah. >> are you sitting there crying at Kai's. like dad what are you doing. >> occasionally yeah she she is always a. little bit embarrassed with me yeah my. emotional feels as a parent [laughter]. >> that's actually amazing like I can. picture the visual and you're Oh, sorry. Didn't mean that. Um, how do you think. having a daughter has impacted the way. that you think about how society and men.

treat women? >> Uh, that's a very interesting question. Uh, for me personally, um, I feel like I've always thought. about that anyway because I have three. sisters and five aunties and it's a big, you know, female family. sort of being. forced to hear nothing but female. opinions for a very long time. Um the uh. you know me having a child becoming a. father has definitely amplified it. further. Um and I guess just made me be.

more consciously aware that you know any. woman I am having an interaction with or. speaking to it is somebody's daughter or. sister you know and just makes you. approach that with a little bit more. respect I guess. >> Yeah. As a dad what is your biggest wish. for Kai? Um, honestly, I just hope that she gets. to do in life whatever she wishes to do. and she's happy. Yeah. >> I remember last time we talked you were. saying how she was you would sing to her.

and like she was enjoying that. Like. what currently does she want to be when. she grows up? >> She definitely wants to be a K-pop star. So yeah, she's she's big into K-pop. Um. >> Oh my god. How do you feel about that? I'd like to keep her away from it, you. know, but at the end of the day, if. she's happy, like I said, you know, I'll. support. >> Can you imagine you being like, "No, you. can't be in a girl group." And and then. she's like, "Really, Dad? You're a. hypocrite." And you're like, >> "Yeah, I won't be able to say that.". Yeah. So, I'm just going to have to.

support her. But me personally, yeah, I. would like to keep her away from some of. the headache that this job entails. You. know, >> keep her in the Pennsylvania world. >> That's it. >> Keep her on the farm. The. >> chickens and the animals and [ __ ] Keep. her with the girls. [laughter]. >> Um, okay. Last time we also talked, you. said that you took Kai to the. Nickelodeon theme park and you guys had. the best time. What is another fun or. special thing that you've gotten to do. with her since then? >> Uh, we've done quite a bit uh since.

then. I took her to a Monster Jam not. long ago. >> What is that? >> The monster truck show, which I was. convinced that they were going to be. like slamming into each other 100 miles. an hour. They don't do that. They just. kind of like do like bounces around. [laughter]. on the sand for like an hour and a half. So, it's a little bit anticlimatic for. me, but Kai enjoyed it. And then uh I. think we went to go see Blackpink live. Took her there. >> How good. >> So good. I just saw them in Japan and it. was amazing. It's so fun. They're really.

good. Wait, so did you suggest the. Monster Jam thing or did she? >> She actually suggested it. I think. somebody in school told her about it and. she was like, "Dad, we should go here.". And I think she knew I was going to kind. of like it too. So, she's like, "I'll. take my dad somewhere where he will. enjoy it.". >> Um, yeah, it was fun. She was right. >> We had talked about and you had shared. with me about growing up with financial. instability and insecurities. >> What does it mean to you to be able to. provide so much for your daughter. without that level of stress?

>> I'm so glad you asked me that question. Um, it's everything. Um, even even to. the degree that like, you know, I'm. raising her in an environment that, you. know, isn't the same as everybody's. You. know, her dad is a pop star, her mom is. a model. Um, and certain things that she. does in life might not, you know, always. reflect what other people's. understanding of reality is, you know. So, I think I gave her a bit too much. money from the tooth fairy. Um,

>> how much are we talking? >> 500 quid. >> Zane. It's her first tooth. >> Hold on. >> And her mom gave me [ __ ] about it. And I. was like, at the end of the day, like I. worked my ass off and like I should be. able to give my kid what what I want to. give her, you know? >> Hold on, hold on, hold on. I may have to. agree with her mom on this. Hold on. >> Yeah, a lot of people do. >> $500 for one tooth. >> Yeah. Is her first tooth, though. >> But then what's going to happen with the. second one? >> She gets five. >> Yeah, that's it. [laughter].

The f the first tooth. I'm going to keep. that one and frame it. She's like, "Dad, what is this [ __ ] It's like a $1 bill.". You're like, >> "Yeah, that's it. Too Faced Too Faced. gone broke now. Should I give you not. giving you anything else?" [laughter]. >> Oh my god, $500 is so crazy. But also, every person is so jealous right now. being like, "Wow, >> she's my first kid.". >> I know. >> Give me a break, somebody, please. [laughter]. >> Okay, I do give you a break. You're. >> not you. I'm just saying people in. general like obviously look at a certain.

type of way but look at the end of the. day I was lucky if I got. >> anything from my teeth you know um and. I've worked really hard for everything. I've earned so I don't feel like I. should have to answer for them things. you know. >> I think it's a great point and I think I. obviously don't have kids yet but I. think a lot of becoming a parent is. trying to write the wrongs of things. that you wish. >> and there's definitely that too you know. what I mean that like feeling of, you. know, I didn't get to do this, so I want. you to be able to feel this. And I.

overcompensate a little bit too much. sometimes for that. Yeah, for sure. I'll. hold my hands up. >> Well, it's also coming from such a. genuinely good place. Like you saying. like, I'm so excited that I'm able to. give this. No one ever did that for me. Um, you said she's obviously like your. only kid. Like, >> would you want more kids ever? >> I do. Yeah. It's not something of like. I'm like actively trying to pursue, but. yeah, for sure. I would like more kids. Um, obviously Kai would have to approve, too, cuz she she's got the the highest.

opinion, you know. Uh, but yeah, never. say never. >> I love that, too. She'd be the full head. honcho. Like, she's the oldest. Would. you want big or smaller? Like, would you. want a lot of kids? >> Like a big family? Oh, yeah, definitely. I come from a big family. Uh, I seen. some in in the standup show the other. day and this guy was talking on stage. and he was like, you know, when I used. to watch Full House like as a kid, if. that was any other ethnicity family, it. would just be called house, not Full.

House. And I was like, it's so true cuz. like we had like 15 people in our house. all day every day, you know? Um, so. yeah, something I'm used to. I'm. enjoying the, you know, the peace and. quiet of it just being me and Kai. But. eventually, yeah, like I'd like to lean. into that. Yeah. Maybe I'd say like. maybe four. No more than four. >> Okay. No more. >> Yeah. >> And then you get four and you're like, "Okay, one more.". >> Maybe. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. >> I guess I'd have to find a partner. first. >> Yeah. Wait. [ __ ] We'll get there. We'll. get there. We'll talk about D. >> I have to ask her as well, you know?

It's not really on me. [laughter]. >> You're like, we can pretend all day, Alex, but. >> it's really up to the woman. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, how do you think. though your upbringing has also. influenced your parenting style now? >> Um, I thought my upbringing was going to. influence my parenting style in a way. that I would be super strict and and. like you know regimented with everything. and it's a complete opposite. Like um I. do not care to admit that I'm a complete. pushover when it comes to my daughter.

She looks at me a type of way and I just. kind of just like melt a little bit and. then just give it to her. Like what is. an example she gets away with? >> Uh whenever she wants like a candy or. something that she's not meant to be. having or it's a bit late and she don't. want to go to sleep, she's like, "Can I. watch one more cartoon?" And I'm like, "Yeah, you can't." Yeah. Yeah. >> I love that for Kai. Um you told me that. spending time with your daughter has. helped you reconnect with your own inner. child. What has that looked like for you. over the years? Uh my own inner child.

has always been pretty loud um and. prominent in my personality is I think. it's the reason I'm a creative. Um I. like painting and you know doing things. that might might be more appealing to. you know people of a younger age. Um but. since uh doing it with her, she's just. kind of brought a lot of things back for. me like um how much I enjoy doing them. things, you know, during the day, watching cartoons, things like that, like watching films and just enjoying.

kitty stuff with her, you know, messing. around with Play-Doh and sand and all. all the messy [ __ ]. >> All the good stuff. >> Yeah. No glitter though. Glitter. glitter's not allowed in my house. >> That's why cuz I hate it. >> I hate glitter. >> So if she came to you and said, "Dad, >> she's not allowed. She knows. She won't. even ask me. She knows she'll be hiding. little vows of glitter to put on on her. artwork. >> What bad experience did you have with. glitter? >> Yeah, glitter goes everywhere. It gets. on everything. Get stuck on your face. and your eyes and your nose. It's weird.

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feeling? Like were you scared at all? Were you nervous? >> Yeah, definitely. I was I was very. nervous. Yeah. Um it's something I'd. always really like looked forward to. And um I remember my parents even saying. to me, my father used to say to me, "Oh, when you have a kid yourself, that's. when you're going to grow up." You know, so it was always like this hinch point. um in my mind where I was like, "Oh, when I get there, this will happen." You. know? So, I was kind of just expecting a. lot of things to happen that didn't and.

kind of, you know, over emptying or. preempting what, you know, was going to. um be the situation and just putting, you know, 80 years of pressure over a. lifespan on myself in 5 minutes, finding. out that my girlfriend's pregnant, you. know what I mean? So, it was a lot. Um, but in reality, it's been um it's been. completely different. you know, you take. it a day at a time and she's such an. amazing human being that I just feel. honored really without sounding too. cheesy to just be her dad and be around.

her. Yeah. >> Isn't that so weird though? Like when. you grow up, you have these ideas of. adults and then you become an adult and. you're like, "Wait, being an adult is. kind of like you're not actually an. adult.". >> Oh, nobody has a [ __ ] clue what. they're doing. No one ever did. Everyone's just lying to me. >> It's so crazy. We look at our parents. and we're like, "Oh my god, like you're. so old. I'm going to be like, >> you're all figured out. You know. everything." But yeah, they don't know. anything either. They don't know. anything. >> They're just as scared as you. >> Right. So, I do think it's also weird. It's like when you hit these milestones. in life, we have a expectation of. exactly what we're going to feel. Like,

oh, I'll be changed. I'll be better. I'll be this. And then you get there and. it's like you're still the same person. Like your life doesn't just change. completely overnight like that. So, it. is helpful as you go through those big. life stages to kind of give yourself. grace in those moments to be like, "Huh, so then everyone must feel this way. It's not just me, right?". >> Yeah. You would hope so anyway. Um, okay. We have to talk a little bit about. dating. But I already feel like I know. your answer. >> Dare. >> No. >> We have to talk about D-Day. >> What did you just say? >> Did you just say D-Day? >> No. Dating.

>> Dating. I thought you said we have to. talk about D-Day. I was like, what is. this? I I don't know what this is. >> D-Day. Dating. Which maybe to you feels. like me asking about D-Day because. you're like that's like Freudian moment. You're like, no. Wait, what? DJ? [ __ ]. Um, are you seeing anyone right now? >> No. >> I knew you were going to say that. Not. even like texting. Okay, >> that's fair. You're not dating. You're. just you're talking. >> I've got a few friends. Yeah. But no,

no, I'm not I'm not dating anybody. >> Okay, so a few friends. Um you went on. Tinder once, right? You did you ever. make it out of the app? >> Uh no one ever believed it was me to be. honest with you, so it didn't really. work for me. Uh but yeah. >> What was your profile picture. >> of me? But like was it from Google? >> No. No. It's on no like camera roll or. pictures. >> Okay. So like it wasn't online that you. could find it. >> No. No. >> Well, that's like the tell. They should. have known it was. >> Yeah. But what they're going to do is. search online is this photo from online.

>> So dating apps are not for you anymore. >> Not really. >> How has being a dad impacted the way. that you approach dating right now? >> Um I don't know if being a dad's changed. um the way I approach dating. I guess. the only um. difference with that is the time, you. know, like I said, when I'm not working, I'm with Kai. So, like finding the time. to even go on dates and do that kind of. stuff is is is a bit difficult. I'll be. honest with you. >> What would it take for you to introduce. someone to your daughter?

>> Um I think I'd have to be really serious. um about that woman and like maybe plan. on marrying her before she'd be. introduced to my daughter. But but. before the woman gets a ring, she's. going to meet Kai, right? >> You're like wedding day. >> I have I have to decide. No, man. Like. maybe like on the third day I'm like, "Yo, I'm going to marry this woman." No, you can meet you can meet my bird and. you can meet my daughter. Sorry. Yeah, my daughter can meet my bird. [laughter]. Um or you can meet my chickens. It's up. to you.

>> Hold on. Hold on. You're saying that. >> bird. >> bird is a northern uh. >> you call bird. >> your female bird? >> Female. Okay. I was like she's meeting. the chickens. No, she's meeting my my. girlfriend. >> Maybe the girlfriend first meets the. girls. >> Yeah, the chickens. >> Then the turtles and then slowly, if the. vibe is right, Kai one day. >> I just feel like it's a lot of pressure, you know? Like, call me old school when. I say this, but like. >> I won't want to ever put that kind of. pressure on somebody else even, you. know, like meet my daughter, have a. relationship with her, then don't work.

out between me and you, and then you've. gone somewhere and my daughter's got. this relationship with you and she don't. get to see you again. kind of sucks, you. know, like I wouldn't want to put her. through that. Um, it's kind of on me. So, I feel like it I have to be smarter. about that. And obviously I'm joking. Like maybe if I was dating a bird for. like a decent amount of time, five, six. months properly, we get serious and say, "Oh, yeah. Like, do you want to meet my. daughter?" You know, >> when I know she's not crazy. >> No. No. Yeah. Yeah. You need to like. really make sure you're like putting her.

through tests and finally you're like, "Okay, you have passed the not crazy. test. Now is the next time." Um, you've. obviously been in a public relationship. before. Would you be open to that again. or are we going full private? >> No. >> No. >> Yeah. No. >> Yeah. I'm not looking for a public. relationship again. And just out of. experience. No. Um, you know, offense to. anybody that I have been in public. relationships with before. I've just. learned from it that it don't work for. me, you know. Um, I'm quite a private.

person. um I don't really uh strive for. people's, you know, approval or. attention. So the relationship should. really be between me and that person. And I think um that personality type. would somebody who doesn't want to do. that would be more suited to me, you. know? >> Oh man, maybe you're going to find like. a Pennsylvania baddy cuz like girls in. Pennsylvania don't expect, you know, >> some bad Amish bird. >> Yeah. And they're like, "Oh, I didn't. expect this life in like the limelight. like it's fine if we never leave the.

farm. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Keep me updated. Um, [laughter]. good to know. All my girls in. Pennsylvania are like, I must find him. back on the dating apps. Um, for 10. really formative years of your life, from 17 to about 27, you were in serious. relationships. This is kind of the. longest you've ever publicly been. single. What was the scariest part of being. alone for the first time? >> Again, >> you didn't care.

>> I don't find being alone scary. Like. again, I think it links to the other. question you asked me about like how are. you cool with yourself? I'm cool with myself. I I like my own. thoughts. I like to do things myself and. I like to be in my own company. Um I'm. not codependent like that at all. Um, even with my parents, like I love them, I respect them, they're always there if. I need them, but I'm not codependent on. them, you know? I don't need to speak to. them every single day and check things.

with them. Um, so it wasn't really scary. for me, honestly. Again, no disrespect. to all the past relationships I've been. in cuz people tend to take things out of. context. Um, no disrespect at all. It. was freeing like, um, I am that type of. person who, you know, runs on my own. clock, answers to myself. So, it was so. freeing to me. I could just do things, make plans, sleep into whatever time I. want. You know what I mean? >> It's nice. >> Like go to bed whatever time I want, eat.

what I want, like eat in the bed, like. all kinds of [ __ ] you know, that like. is not cool when you're when you're in a. couple. So, um, >> yeah, it's just been freeing for me and. no pressure, you know, like um I can't. really get in trouble that way either. You know, tend to get in in trouble in. relationships, too, cuz I was young and, you know, did certain things, you know, spoke to other females when I shouldn't. have been, as as most people do. You. live and learn from it. But this way, there's no guilt. You know, I can just. be free and speak to whoever I want. And.

you know, hopefully if I meet somebody. that I want to be serious with, I'll. have spent enough time in this place to. know that I want to be with that person. and be committed to them. >> It's a great point. It's like you can. acknowledge you messed up when you were. younger and you're not proud of it, but. also like unless you're ready to get. into a relationship where you know you. can keep doing the same thing, you know? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But okay, there I feel like there's a. difference between enjoying your own. company and then selfisolation. Have you ever intentionally.

>> selfisolated? >> Yes. >> Um to a certain degree. I think I did a. little bit like after the band, you. know, like um I took a bit of time to. myself. Um but I wouldn't say it's. complete isolation. I always still have. people around, you know. Um my manager. is always around that uh works with me. and like my best friends come out and. see me from time to time. Not as much as. I'd like uh cuz it is quite a long. flight, but I wouldn't say it's it's. like selfisolation. It's more just like. removing myself from the noise for a.

bit. >> You said that you're finally in a place. now where you don't need another person. to identify or find yourself in. That's. what we're talking about. How in the. past were you losing yourself in past. relationships? >> I don't know if I was necessarily losing. myself. I just felt like there was so. many things I had to do in order for. this other person to be happy. Um, and. things that I didn't necessarily find. enjoyment in, you know, like, um, I'm. not the type of dude that likes to go to. fivestar Michelin restaurants every. night and get pictured and, you know, go.

here and go there and this person's. invited you and they're really famous, so you should go hang out with them. I'm. like, you know, cuz we both got the same. job. You're just going to put us on a. play date? Um, yeah, for me, like I it. doesn't don't make sense like that. Yeah. So, um, yeah, I just tend to just. stay away from from them things. >> It's actually [laughter] the best thing. you've said today. I don't want to go on. a play date with other famous people. Sue me. It's refreshing. But I think. it's it's hard to not get caught up in.

that cuz I think there's so many people. that can be like, "This is how it goes.". When you get famous, >> I think so many people have so much. value on that, too. you know, the way. the world runs is like, you know, who. you're associated with is a reflective. reflection of you. And uh people use. that and you know, social media to put. off a false portrayance of whatever. their life is and everything's hunky. dory and fairies and rainbows and in. reality it doesn't quite work like that. >> I'm happy that I feel like enough people. now are starting to see through that. like so many people doing things for.

social media and then the minute it. happens or it's posted a lot of times if. you know the person you're like wait. that is like not they're not even that. happy like that's literally [ __ ]. like I just saw them crying at the club. the other night but they're like. >> and they're miserable so it's like that. is such a sad and isolating life to live. and I have actually empathy for it. because it's probably like feels very. validating in the moment but it's almost. like a quick dopamine hit and then it's. over and so. >> and it usually stems some insecurity,

right? >> Yes. Yes. And so you're sitting here. being like, you've done so much work on. yourself. You've always felt pretty good. alone. And so now you need someone that. can kind of meet you there instead, which is amazing. >> I'd like that. Yeah. >> I also feel like your 20s are all about. making mistakes and figuring yourself. out. And now in your 30s, you're really. coming into your own. I asked you when I. first interviewed you to describe. yourself in three words. >> Yeah. >> What do you think you said? >> I have no idea. Yeah, I probably said. that's really difficult. [laughter].

>> I think you did say that, but then I. force you to answer. Okay, give me three. words that you would describe yourself. as now. Then let's see if it's the same. >> I think one of the words was definitely. chill. >> I don't know if it was. >> correct. Was it? Yeah, >> chill is on there. >> Two more. >> All right. So, right now I would say. chill. Chill and chill. [laughter]. >> Zane. >> No, I'm joking. It's hard for I don't I. don't really like to talk about myself. in that way, you know, like give myself. an adjective. >> Well, you did it 3 years ago. Do you do.

you want to know? >> Yeah, I do. Yeah. >> Chill, funny, loving guy. >> Oh, there you go. Yeah, I like that. >> That's my guy there. [laughter]. >> You're like, "Hey, I like him." Do you. still relate? >> Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I think so. >> Love that. You said in an interview that. you don't know if you've ever truly been. in love. Do you still stand by that? Yeah. >> Yeah. Cuz like my understanding of love. is always developing. You know, at that. moment in in time, I might have thought.

it was love, but as I got older, I. realized maybe it wasn't. Maybe it was. lust, maybe it was this, maybe it was. that. Um, but I don't feel like it was. love. And, and to be fair, like just to. say this on record, I will always love G. because she is the reason my child. isn't, you know, on this earth. Um, and. I have the utmost respect for her. Um, I. will always love her, but I don't know. if I was ever in love with her. Yeah, >> I mean, I can imagine there's so much.

pressure. I agree. And I'm And even you having to. clarify like everyone's always probably. like, "What? Like, what?". >> Yeah. That's what cuz before even when I. said it, I think people took it a type. of way. So, I'm just like, yo, I have so. much respect for this woman and I do. love her a crazy amount. But, yeah. No, but I don't think I was in love with her. at that point. Otherwise, I would have. been a better version of myself. Yeah, I. >> think that's fair to say. Um, anxiety. We talked about it when you came on the. show last time. How are you managing.

those feelings today? >> Um, again, I think uh I said this to you. before, but like anxiety uh is a thing. that I think you know all of us are. dealing with. Uh we just now have a word. to explain it. Um and you feel that in. you know small increments throughout. your day. certain situation might make. you feel something. But one thing I've. learned since becoming a father is that. it's good to overcome them feelings and. push through it. Um because you know I'm. sat here all the time telling my. daughter to do things and you know just.

get over it. You'll be fine. You'll be. cool. And and I'm a bit of hypocrite if. I'm not doing that myself. >> Yeah. You went from disappearing from. the public eye essentially to now coming. back doing a Vegas residency and a full. stadium and arena tour. What shifted for. you in that headsp space? Um, I think it. was around like 2020. Um, I was wanting to go back on tour. anyway. Like whenever I drive past the. like arena or something, I was like,

won't mind performing there. What's this. arena called? Um, and I kept asking the. question and it was kind of going to. happen and then co came and destroyed. the entire world. Um, so you know that. old saying, if you you want to make God. laugh, try to come up with your own. plan. Um, and then when that happened, it just spurred me further, um, this. want and desire to like kind of be back. on stage. And again, I know I always. bring it back to Kai since she's, uh, being born, but it's kind of just wanted. to show her that like I can do it and.

like this is what your dad does, you. know? This is my job. Um, yeah. I don't. want her to be watching old videos of me. in the band, you know, like doesn't even. really look like me anymore. [laughter]. You're like, I'm way more handsome now. Guys, come talk. >> Do you think that your vocals have. gotten better since then, too? >> I'd like to think so. Yeah, >> I think so. >> Appreciate it. >> Um, when you are feeling overwhelmed or. anxious, what does help calm you down?

>> Weed. >> Okay. Are you growing that on the farm, too? >> I'm joking. Uh, I growing that on the. farm. No. Um, I don't think that's. legal, actually. Um but yeah no honestly meditation. mindfulness you know being grateful for. things. >> Are you doing meditation apps or are you. doing it just alone. >> myself? Yeah just sit and breathe and. think about things in nice quiet you. know contemplative place and and think. about things and I think it always uh is.

helpful to name like three things you're. grateful for and everything else kind of. like subsides a little bit. >> Should we do that right now? >> Yeah. >> What are three things you're grateful. for? um for Kai. >> First and foremost, I'm grateful for. my career and I'm grateful for my. family. >> Wow. Beautiful. Throughout your career, there have been instances and kind of. like what we were just talking about. like so much pressure on you where. people are going to take things out of. context and looking at you like there.

have been a few instances where people. are looking for you to respond publicly. during an emotional personal situation. like how do you handle that pressure? Again, it's not really a pressure. Like, I feel like there's a pressure on you if. you feel a need to argue a point or, you. know, you feel so adamant that you, you. know, you need to rectify what's being. said. Me personally, if it's not true, I.

don't give a [ __ ] Like, there's there's. so many things that people say that are. untrue. And if I was going to sit there. and go through all them things, I. wouldn't have any time in my day to do. anything else. Like, so I just try not. to think about it. I'm not really a. social media person. I don't have social. media on my phone. If there's something. that's going on social media, I speak to. my manager or my assistant and say, "Put. this up on social media." I don't. scroll. Don't do the doom scrolling. [ __ ] So, don't see anything, you know? I just kind of live in my in my own.

world. >> And it's nice. Um there isn't no. pressure for me in that sense because I. don't allow that pressure to to be in my. life. >> It's great. [snorts] Um, obviously you. have been on massive tours before, but. during those you were on the stage with. other people. This time you're out there. by yourself. How are you approaching it. and how does it feel different than. having four people standing next to you? >> Yeah, the the first couple of shows I. did on the Stairway to the Sky tour, it. was kind of weird, you know? Um, I'd.

done a couple of odd songs here and. there, like on TV shows and stuff, like. one song, but I' not done like a whole. show. Um, so yeah, it was a little bit. strange, you know, it took a little bit. of adjustment not being able to look to. somebody else singing, but I have my. band on stage with me. Um, but yeah, not. not much conscious like decision making. like, oh, I'm going to do this different. from the band. >> Listen, Daddy gang, winter is here. I. know it's freezing out there and I know. the sun is setting insanely early, but.

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>> What can fans, if they haven't been, expect from a Zane show? >> Uh, hopefully some decent vocals, not too much movement. Me just kind of. stood center the stage. >> Would you ever do a little dance? >> It's not really my thing. I' I've self. professed always to never really be a. dancer in that sense. I don't I don't. think I take myself serious enough to. like pull that off, you know? Like. >> why can I like not picture you dancing? >> Cuz it's it's just a weird thought.

Yeah. Even even you put me on on AI. dancing, it looks a bit weird. >> You're like that just that that's. definitely like if you see me dancing. online, that is AI. That was never me. >> You recently are I know you said you. don't have social media, but I'm. assuming this has come back to you. You. are all over the internet right now. because you made a joke the other night. on stage about people's high ticket. prices. >> I never specified no names. You know, people have high ticket prices all over.

the place. Could have been talking about. anybody. Take it as you want. >> Fair. Um, okay. Can we talk about your. new music? What themes are you really. diving into on this album? Yeah. So the um the new album Kono um is. uh the derivative of a lot of. inspiration from you know my Indian. heritage and culture. Um I've always put. you know like little subtle things in. there, little adlibs here and there even.

on dust dawn with sea. Um and it's. something I've always liked to show the. world you know like I can sing like this. too. Um so we went into into that a. little bit more. Conole is uh in its. definition is the um act of creating. percussive sounds with your voice. So. like drum sounds. So I made a lot of the. production out of my own voice. So I'm. singing like layers and layers of. different vocals to make the beat. Um.

and once we started doing it like of. like third first three four songs I was. like yeah the whole record needs to be. like this. So just lent into that and um. draw drew a lot of inspiration from. that. Yeah. >> So when we're listening to this, we can. know that a lot of what we're hearing is. actually your own voice. >> My voice, even the drum sounds and. stuff. Yeah. On some of them. Yeah. Like. they've been affected to make them sound. like a drum. But I'm singing them. >> Oh, that's sick. >> D. That's the drum rhythm, too.

>> Wait, that makes it even This is just. giving me even more color to what to. expect. That's incredible. Can you tell. me a little bit about your new single, Die for Me? >> I've had that song for years. I've had. that song for like. five, six years, I think. Um had it even. before Room. >> Um cut it a while ago. Um and it was. just a great song, but it didn't feel. like it fit on Room because Room was. such a raw like different kind of like. singer songwriter project thing. Um that.

it felt too, you know, produced and too. clean and crisp. But I didn't write that. song. Yeah. I have no problem professing. when I don't write songs either. It was. just a banger of a song. Uh I heard it. and they asked if I wanted it so I said. yeah and I caught it and it turned out. really well. Yeah. >> Did you relate to any of the themes of. like. >> for sure. Yeah. I'd be silly if I you. know if I said I didn't relate to the. themes. I did definitely. Uh but I also. felt the power of the song like feels. like it's a big like radio song. Um and. I wanted to come back with that kind of. energy. You know,

>> when you are personally writing and. you're writing about a specific. situation or a specific person, like. have you ever shown people music ahead. of time that's going to be about them or. are you like, "No way.". >> If it's about them, never. >> No. Yeah. >> Have you had people call you and be. like, "Zane, is this one about me?". >> I honestly I think if anyone knows me, like they know it was about them, you. know? Like they don't need to call me. Like they know me well enough at that. point. They like, "This song's. definitely about me.".

>> They're like, "Oh, shit.". >> What song of yours from this album were. you the most nervous. to have be released? >> It's interesting. Um, there's a few songs on there. There's a. song on there, uh, called Side Effects, um, that I was a bit like, I don't know. if I want to put this out. Um, and then. the more and more I listen to it, I was. like, you know what, it's it's honest, you know, it's it lives in reality. And. I'm sure so many people have felt this. way. Um, so for that reason, I was like,

it needs to go on there. Yeah, it's. real. >> The theme of that one, I'm pretty sure, is the one where you kind of talk about. the shortcomings. Is that one of kind of. being. >> Yeah. side effects of loving me, you. know, instead of like how you made me. feel from loving you? It's like, I. understand that I might have made you. feel a type of way, too. You know what I. mean? >> It's pretty mature. >> self admittance. >> Yeah. It takes a lot to admit that it. does take two to tango. when there's. issues, it's not just one person. >> We have obviously discussed you're a.

pretty private person. Like how do you. decide. >> when you want to share parts of your. life. >> in music cuz that again like people can. read into things like how much do you. put thought into that? For me, it's like. at the end of the day, I could right now. after this interview go on Twitter or I. could go on Instagram and I could put. something real cheap up on there. You. know what I mean? Get a quick reaction. For me with the music, it has so much.

more class to it. It's poetry. There's. thought gone into it. There's. production. It's classy, you know? So, that's why I'm like, yeah, I'll talk. about these things here because it's art. and it stays there. It's not just a. random [ __ ] text. You know what I. mean? >> It's not a tweet. >> No, it's not tweet. >> You're like, just listen to it in the. song. Okay, I said enough. >> How do you feel when people try to. connect the dots of, oh my gosh, speculating about these lyrics must be. about this person.

>> People always going to do that. Um, you. know, even if I bring a song out next. week about, you know, I always wanted to. be a clown and be in the circus, people. going be like, "Oh [ __ ] I wanted to be. a clown in the circus." You know what I. mean? Yeah. I I don't really feel a type. of way about it. Like they're always. going to say something. And the music. that I use and the songs that I write. myself usually have some correlation to. my reality, too. So, I'm cool with that. Yeah. They can connect the dots wherever. they want. They might not always connect.

them correctly, but that's what makes it. interesting. >> Yeah. Okay. Top three favorite songs. from the album. >> Top favorite three. Okay. Used to the. blues is definitely my favorite, I. think. Um, it's just different. Feels a. bit different for a Zen song. So, got a. bit more of a hip-hop like production to. it. Uh, that uh really like Side. Effects. And there's another song called. Sideways. >> Okay. Favorite lyric?

>> Um, I miss looking at you Sideways. [laughter]. >> When did you come up with that one? a. while ago. [laughter]. >> It's been in your notes app. >> You're wondering when you should. >> when I release this to the world. >> And when you write something like that, is that you sitting on the farm. daydreaming or meditating, having a. thought, and being like, "That's an. interesting line." And then you write it. down. >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. Pretty much.

Yeah. >> When do you think you have those. revelations of a new lyric the most? Like are you is it when you're in the. studio? Is it when you're just chilling. at home? >> Uh usually the best lyrics, yeah, they. don't come like when you've planned to. be in the studio. You can plan as much. as you want, but um my lyrics usually. come to me late at night. Like um I'm a. bit of a night owl. Um that time just. before you go to sleep. is a weird one for me cuz I don't go to.

sleep. I just stay awake like writing. things. Uh cuz my mind's just going. crazy at that time. Um, but in this like. studio run, I managed to get a lot out. in in the studio session. So, I think it. just really depends. You know, if you if. you've got a bit of information pent up. ready to go, it'll it'll be there for. you. Um, if you're not really living any. life, doing anything, then probably not. going to have [ __ ] to talk about. You. know what I mean? >> Yeah. I just thought about that as. you're saying a lot of things come to. you at night. I'm like, okay, miss.

looking at you sideways. I'm assuming is. basically you're like laying in bed and. you're staring at each other while your. heads are both on the pillow and you. can't help but think like Yeah. that may. have come to you while you were laying. there wishing that person was there. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Love that. Um Okay. What are you. most proud of with this album? >> Um honestly the fact that people still. give a [ __ ] I'll be honest with you. Like five solo albums now. I I was just.

buzzing that, you know, I got to do a. first one like after the band like. people seem to care, you know, some five. records deep now. So, I guess I'm really. proud of the progression um and just the. development and understanding of myself. in through my music, you know. >> What do you want fans to take from this. album? >> Um, I want them to get a bit more. insight on, you know, maybe my culture. and heritage. Um, and maybe even, you. know, find a new word. I don't know if.

too many people are familiar with the. word conolle. Um, yeah. >> Okay. Um, when you think back to who you. were when you first started your career. to who you are sitting here today, how. would you describe your evolution as an. artist? >> [ __ ] huge arc. you know, uh, from. standing on stage in Manchester singing. Mario, Let Me Love You. Uh, ac capella,

not knowing what production was, anything, wearing my uncle's clothes. Uh, there's there's been a bit of. progression, you know. I'd like to say. I've developed my own style a little. bit. I know a bit more about music. I. know what key is now. I know what pitch. is, all these things that I had no clue. of. Yeah. So there's there's been a lot. of development but I think uh again uh. just to bring it back there the most. development has been uh in me as a human. being you know like just growing. >> Yeah. What do you think overall when you.

look back at that young boy on that. stage singing Mario Let Me Love You to. now like what do you wish? >> Big balls. >> No, literally. >> big balls. [laughter]. 17-year-old kid don't have a clue. He's. so confident. What is he doing? [laughter]. >> So cute. Is there anything at that point. you wish you could have told your. younger self now? >> I say all the time. Yeah. I wish I could. go back to that 17-y old version of me. and say, "Well done." Like for being. that brave. Like cuz I don't know if if.

if somebody asked me in my 30s if I had. no experience before. Would you go stand. and sing in front of Samoa? I would have. done it, you know? I would have been. like, "No, no way.". >> Wow. And look where it got you. >> Yeah. >> It was an honor to sit down with you. again. I think back to being in. Pennsylvania with you. I remember. Well, first of all, that was just so weird cuz. you literally walked through my parents. house and I was like, I'm struggling. like you're walking through my parents'. doors and like I grew up here. >> It was so nice though. It was so cool. It was such a different environment like. for me to be in like a house and doing.

an interview. I think that's why the. interview went well. It felt good and. relaxed and chill. It didn't feel like a. intrusive interview. It felt like we. were just chatting as friends. >> It was really fun and you were so sweet. and you brought me a housewarming gift. even though that was. >> I got you some more stuff as well. >> Zane. >> Yeah, >> you got me so much stuff. My team was. like, "What? Do you want to come see all. this?" I was like, "You bought me. basically everything I could have. thought of and more.". >> I heard that you like all the same stuff. as me, so I was like, "Yeah, I'm going. to have to send you some stuff.". >> All the snacks, all the.

>> loads of British stuff in there for. >> I saw it. Trust me, I've already gotten. into it. I was eating the chips. I was. like, "You're a real one. Thank you.". Um, but no, it's been really cool to get. to know you. And I think like my. favorite thing about my job is to get to. progress with someone where it's like we. met at a certain period in time and then. to now sit here with you like you feel. more relaxed like you feel more at ease. and I don't know what you would. attribute that to but like I can feel it. in you and it's really cool to see that.

because. >> I appreciate you saying that. Yeah. No, obviously that interview that we did was. like one of the first interviews I've. done in a long time. So again, it's that. like anxiety, you know, preempting what. what the situation's going to be and. then you're there and and it's very. different, you know. Um it has been 3. years since then. Um I've been working a. lot more, been getting into the rhythm. of things and I feel a lot more chill. and a lot more confident, you know, in. this environment and I'm enjoying. myself. Yeah. >> Well, I'm happy you called me and I. think we're going to have to do this.

again in 3 years. >> Let's do it. >> You guys didn't actually think we were. done yet, did you? Zay and I obviously. have a little surprise to end the night. So, let's go. [music]. >> You have to stop giving me gifts, >> Zane. >> It's just noodles. It's not not nothing. that expensive. It's some crisper. noodles. >> I'm dead at this. >> Yeah. Stick the chips.

>> Stick the chips in the noodles. >> Yeah. And I got you this, too. >> [music]. >> Jane, how much have you spent on the. boooos? >> We won't discuss that on camera. >> Welcome. >> Oh my god. Wait, Zane, this is sick. >> It's like the calm before the storm. >> I am so happy we got to reunite. Thank. you so much for just letting me into the. behind the scenes of your world. I'm so. happy for you. This has been such a. massive success. I can't wait for the. album and more importantly, I can't wait. to see you out there tonight.

>> Thank you so much. >> Love you. You're the best. I hope you. have a good time tonight. >> Oh my god, I will. >> Hopefully I can put on a good show for. you. >> Dance for us out there. >> All [laughter] right. Yeah. >> Like not a chance. >> Get a little wiggle around. >> Bye. >> See you, Alex. All right. Who wants to. hear my next single? >> Die for me. Here it is.

Good times and bad times. I gave you my. everything. I tried and I tried to love. you through [music]. each other. We never be enemies. Why the. [ __ ] would you say that to me? Ain't nothing worse than somebody. [music and singing]. who lies to your business. Was just the.

truth. Rip it up. Let it bleed. You said you were there for me. [music]. Follow me. [music]. I need you. the rose. Give you my heart. Don't you dare let it go. Say you die.

[music]. Say you die for me. [music]. When I need you the most. You die for me. [music]. Said you never never let me go. You know, call your friends. Said you. gone. I'm going to wait up here [music]. going [singing] to sleep. I sleep [music] just fine without you.

Yeah. Yeah. Ain't nothing worse somebody. you miss. the truth. Love you. I love you. You said it out. Cuz if your words spare. [music].

[music]. Let it go. [music]. [music]. Heat.

[music]. Heat. >> [music]. [music]. >> Say you die for me. Oh, when I need you the [singing] most. You [music] die for me.

So you never never let me go. [music]. >> [music].