The Real Avril Lavigne (Full Episode)

What is up, daddy gang? It is your. founding father, Alex Cooper, call her. daddy. >> Avine just walked into my studio and. brought me beer, champagne, and pizza. >> And I've never done a podcast before, dude. Cheers. >> Tops, bottoms, bottoms, tops. Chris, cross. [ __ ] I already feel so much. cooler. I'm really, really happy you're. here. I'm obsessed. The way to kick this.

off is so [ __ ] good. Daddy gang, if. you're listening to this and you cannot. see anything, Avil just walked in here. Pizza, beer, champagne. >> You're a pretty good guest. [laughter]. Thanks for coming. So, this is your. first Canadian would I be if I didn't. show up with beer? >> I'm obsessed. I didn't know what to. expect. Like, obviously, I think what's. so fun with songwriters and musicians is. like, we don't all the time get to see. your personality. So, you literally. never know what to expect. So, it's fun. to immediately kick it off and be like, "Oh, you're comedy. You know what you're.

doing, Averil." Okay. Um, first podcast. >> Why don't you usually do sit down long. interviews? >> Um, I cuz I usually don't really like. interviews. >> I get it. >> If I'm honest. >> No, it's fine. >> Um, it's never been like my favorite. thing to do, but like you seem super. cool, so I'm happy to be here. We're. just going to chill for an hour and. hopefully you don't hate me by the end. of this. I promise it's going to be. chill. You recently just announced that.

you're going on a North American tour. and you are releasing your greatest hits. album. >> How did you decide to do this? It's so. iconic and inspiring. >> Yeah. So, it's like 22 years into my. career now, which is super gnarly to. even think about. Um, and I'm releasing. a greatest hits album in June and going. on the greatest hits tour. And it's. pretty great to to be going back out on. the road and I doing one of the biggest. tours of my career this far just off.

like celebrating like my catalog. And so. I feel like super stoked and lucky to. like still be doing my thing and loving. it more than ever. It's I just like not. to freak you out, but I love you and I. grew up [laughter]. loving you and I used to make the most. embarrassing music videos to all of your. songs. Like I have one of the most. embarrassing music videos to um Nobody's. Home and it's like little young Alex. [ __ ] depressed being like singing in. the corner of my room 6 years old, 7.

years old, 8 years old to now being like. it's dope to be in your presence. >> Wow, that's crazy. Thank you. I You made. music videos. I feel like you need to. like find that, bring that up and like. put little clips on Tik Tok. I need to. see that. >> See, the thing is, Averil is like my. version of a music video compared to. like the young kids on Tik Tok now, like. they're hot and cool and like wear cute. outfits and know how to do like contour. I was [ __ ] busted with my little like. acne and braces. So, like they're not. cute, okay? They're for like my parents.

to see only and be like, "You're so. cute, Alex." Like, "Mom, I was hideous.". Um, what is the difference? like when. you go on a tour, what is the difference. between touring now versus like when you. first started out? >> So, like on my first tour, I wanted to be like Green Day because I. had gone to one of their shows and like. all of their songs were like hit after. hit after hit, just like singles. It was. just like power all the way through. And. so, like on my my first tour, I only had.

three singles and the rest was just like. album tracks. And like for me that just. wasn't good enough. I've wanted [snorts]. every song to be like a banger. So I. guess I did I worked super hard to get. to this point where now like every. single song in my set list is a as a hit. song, a single um been like a really big. milestone and part of my career. So like. making a strong set list is like for me. that's like the biggest thing that goes. into the show. But I think um every tour.

has gotten easier. I've come out of my. shell more as a performer. Also like. bringing like my favorite bands out on. the road to open with me like actually. like my friends. [laughter]. >> Yeah. Oh, that's. >> so we can play like beer pong backstage, skateboard backstage together, have. barbecues backstage. >> Didn't you have Simple Plan come with. you? >> So Simple Plan opened for me on my first. tour back in. >> obsessed. >> 2002 or something. >> And you had All Time Low, too. >> Alltime Lower. Oh my god, I was so.

obsessed with Alltime Low. I had post I. was like I was like very very obsessed. with them at a point where I was like. this is concerning. Like I really. thought I was going to marry one of them. and then like I [laughter] obviously. didn't. >> I No, I was obsessed. And I would like. wear skinny jeans and like the color. like I would wear like skinny colored. jeans. >> Where are you from? >> I'm from Pennsylvania. >> Okay. >> And you're from Canada? >> Yeah, I'm from Canada. >> What do you do to make it fun on tour? Like give me an example. I like touring. with my friends and like days off taking. the bus to like a campsite and going.

camping in going and pulling up into. like an RV site instead of like going to. a hotel and just like sitting there. staring at the ceiling like what is my. life? [gasps] Seen way too many of. those. Way too long. Um like I just go. on Amazon and I get a bunch of fun like. I've got a pink cooler that I've just. ordered and pink chairs that'll sit. outside of my bus every day. There will. be beer there. Um, I'll have my. skateboards out and then usually my bus. is the cool bus because of that with and.

I'll have my beer pong table out there. and then everyone just like after the. show comes my way. >> Do you have any like pre-show rituals? Like are you superstitious at all? >> I'm just like mellow as [ __ ] in the day. because if you think about it, the show. is around like 900 p.m. which is why. noon feels like super early for. >> sorry that you're even awake. [laughter]. So, I'm just so sorry that this. interview was at noon. I like come walk. in. I got like one eye open. I'm just. like, I haven't worked out. I haven't. had breakfast. I need to like.

[laughter and gasps] make sure I'm. covered here. Oh my god. >> I'm sorry about that. Yeah. Someone. came. They're like, "Do you think you. can lower the lights a little bit?" I'm. like, "Oh, right. She's not awake. [gasps] You're literally doing this. asleep. [laughter]. You're going to leave and be like, "What. the [ __ ] did I say on that interview?". my my time, even though the interview. was at noon, my time was like 8:00 glam. >> Stop. >> Leave the house at 10:30. I was like, can we push glam till 9? [laughter and gasps]. >> So, not superstitious.

>> Um, yeah. Know, I think I just like. what's important is that I do take care. of myself before the show. >> Yes. >> And then do the complete opposite. [laughter] after the show. So it's like. sleep in hopefully till three um or noon. on the early side and then like the show. that is like the gym session. It's a 90. minute sat at like 9:00 at night. So. that's when I have to like give it my. all and be awake. But that is actually. the flow of my body is to like wake up.

at night. Not a morning person. We've. made that clear. [laughter] Or a noon. person. >> You're like why am I here? Can I take a quick nap, Alex? You just. talk for the next [laughter]. have some pizza. >> Um, >> that is No, but that makes sense though. because I like I think that's like if. anyone has a nighttime job, like you're. sleeping in super late. >> Bring it. It starts and then we don't go. to bed till 6:00 a.m. because you get. off stage, you're wired, you're amped,

the adrenaline, and then like buses. don't leave until like whatever 3:00. So, it's like after the show, we like. set up a barbecue. you know, have fun, hang out with the bands and all that. >> and party. >> And for me, like that tour bus, that's. my home. So, again, another fun Amazon. order of just Hello the [ __ ] kitty. everything. I've got like 20 Hello Kitty. p pillows in the front lounge, and I've. got like Hello Kitty bedding, Hello. Kitty towels, and everything's just pink.

and fun. >> Oh my god, I didn't even think you would. be a Hello Kitty girl. >> Yeah, >> I would think like maybe a lot of black. I have a Hello Kitty room [laughter]. >> on my house. >> On your house? >> The tour bus is Hello Kitty Torbus, but. my room in at my house, I have a room. Well, it used to be my bedroom. Um, and. it's a Hello Kitty bedroom. >> When guys came over, would they like be. a little freaked out to like have sex in. that room? >> Well, I [laughter]. au. >> I wasn't. There wasn't a lot of guys. >> Okay. Sorry. If a man.

>> relationship long relationships, >> right, [laughter] right? a man. [clears throat]. >> I mean, there was like a stripper pool. and the coffee ta in the little coffee. table and like this huge pink velvet. couch full of like all these stuffed. animal Hello Kitties. >> Are you getting on the stripper pole? >> Oh, hell yeah. >> Wait, you're good on a stripper pole? Wait, you need to teach me. What the. [ __ ] How did you learn to get. >> You just You just have a couple of those. and wing it. >> You have a couple beers and you're ready.

to go. Wow. a new talent. I guess if id. asked you like what's a hidden talent, would you ever say that or no? [laughter]. >> No. >> Next time you go to a party and they ask. you a fun fact about yourself, you're. like, I can rip on a stripper pull. You're welcome. [laughter]. Um, what is one of the craziest like fan. interactions you've ever had? >> I got a wedding dress in when I was like. over in Korea. Bunny was thrown at me on. my lap in like a bag and I was like, "Oh, what's this? It's warm." And I like. open it. I'm like, "Ah." I thought it.

was a cat. It was a bunny. Um, but we. took care of it. Made sure it went. somewhere safe. And then I had a wedding. dress and I was like, "That's cool, but. it's weird.". >> Yeah, because now that like woman will. never see her wedding dress again. >> No, it was like for me from a guy. >> Wait, what? I thought you were saying. like a woman gave you her wedding dress. to like take and sign. A man gave you a. wedding dress. >> Yeah, I guess that was a super forward. way of proposing. >> Mhm. >> Have that effect on people. [laughter].

>> Oh my god. Literally. Literally. We'll. get to that. Your style. Can we talk. about this for a minute? Because again, like when I was younger, I just remember. so many. >> moments in early 2000's trends were. dictated by you, queen. Like your style. was and is everything. If you had to. pick three essential wardrobe items that. are like your staples, what would you. pick? >> A big hoodie. just like an oversized. black hoodie.

>> Um, like bondage pants, >> like military boots, like combat boots. >> Okay, so that has like kind of changed. because when I was younger, Averil, I. remember it was the neck tie. The neck. tie. >> But you don't understand. Like I would. look at you and be like, "Oh my, this is. the [ __ ] coolest thing ever that. she's wearing a neck tie." So, I would. venture into my older brother's room, but he went to like a like Catholic prep. school, so he had ties that were like.

wide as [ __ ] and ugly and hideous, and. that's the only tie I could find, and I. would like wear it around my house with. like a little wife beater. And I really. >> Oh my god, stop. That is so cute. >> I really thought I was doing something. And I hope those photos never surface. [laughter]. >> But the neck tie was iconic. And then. like the little um like the sweatb bands. on your wrist you used to wear which. were so cool. >> Yeah, it's crazy. Um I've been thinking. about the tie a lot lately and the. wristbands. The sweatb bands.

>> with the the skater boy star which is. like my tattoo right here. And I'll. probably wear those on stage cuz I used. to wear them all the time. >> All the time. >> Yeah. And um. >> that's so fun. >> Maybe I'll wear the neck tie on stage. >> Please honestly do it for [laughter] me. Like I will literally have like a. revival in my soul. I I need to come to. a show. I'm like so obsessed. But that. would be epic. I think everyone anytime. we see you in a tie, it just brings us. back to like our childhood and it makes.

us happy. >> It was so crazy. Like my first show, so. I was like 17 and it was I don't know. where it was. was it was in Vancouver. somewhere and it was sort of like a. warm-up show they were putting together. for me and it was like in like a little. club and it was like the first real show. and I remember like being up in my. dressing room and looking out onto the. street and seeing like all the like fans. lined up to come in and they were the. girls were they were dressed like me. They had on the the tank white tank top.

and the tie and like stick straight hair. and black eyeliner and I was like what? I was like, "This is crazy." And it like. from like the first show it was like. from the beginning it was like a thing. And pretty cool too to see like every. album like my image changed a bit. So. like uh under my skin my second album I. put like black hair in and was wearing. the bondage pants and then all the girls. front row like the blonde hair with the. black underneath the bondage pants, black eyes. is the third album, The Best.

Damn Thing, showing up the show with the. uh the pink streak in the hair and just. like. >> I will never forget that. Trust me, I. thought about doing it. My mom. [laughter] was like absolutely [ __ ]. not Alex. I'm like, [ __ ] Were you. always like super confident to wear. whatever you wanted to wear like your. whole life? >> Yeah, it kind of just like came. together. I didn't like think about it. or anything. Um, like obviously [clears throat] when I. was younger, I was like just dressing in. whatever my mom bought. And then when I.

got, you know, into high school, I was. like, "Okay, I like hoodies and. skateboarding clothes." And I started. skateboarding and was into like West 49. and Vans and started wearing like really. baggy pants. And um my parents were just. like. um are you going to keep dressing like a. boy? [laughter]. So like when I like made when I went out. to New York City and um was like meeting. with like important people and writing.

songs in the studio. They were kind of. like can you like dress up a little. better? But what was awesome was when I. got signed by LA Reid. Um I was sitting. in his office. I was like 16 and he just. looked at me and he was like taking a. meeting with my mom and I and he's like. you know you have like your own thing. going on girl like usually we have like. people come in and you have to like. figure out what your style is and we. like help you and whatever and he's like. you got your own thing going on like you.

just keep doing you and like I think. that was awesome. I'm so glad he did. that. probably like looking back that. did instill confidence in me, but also. like I didn't care. I was going to dress. that way anyway, >> right? [laughter]. >> But like. >> no, but that's like a great thing to. know that someone didn't try to change. you that was probably in a position. where like if they asked you to, I'm. sure your mom and you would have looked. at each other and been like, "Fuck, like, is this what we have to do to make. it in this industry?" Like normally they.

probably at especially like at that time. with like all bubblegum pop was so big. They probably would have put me in. something sexy, cute, pink, girly, frilly, like mid drift and like that. wasn't not my vibe. There's definitely. like times that like photo shoots I'd. show up at whatever magazine to shoot to. shoot and they wanted to put me in stuff. that like I was very afraid of. >> Yeah. [laughter]. like blouses and I was just like nah. So.

I'd like we you know you'd have to like. have a word with them. The manager would. be like you know she has her own style. and like pull out my like skateboarding. book bag and dump like my ties and my. spike bracelets on the floor and be like. can I just wear my stuff? >> So we had to go back and forth but it. was like a little bit of a fight and I. had to always push for that but it. worked out pretty good. >> I it worked out phenomenally. I want to. go back a little bit to your childhood. because I think like when you're looking.

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line in good standing. >> How would you describe your childhood. like before you were famous? >> Normal as [ __ ] And I'm like grateful. for that because like I came out at at. like a really young age and I'm glad. that I had like a normal steady like. solid childhood. Um I played a lot of. sports. I was on the hockey team. >> I was going to say. >> the guys hockey team. >> How the [ __ ] did you get onto the guys. hockey team?

>> Well, I just wanted to play hockey and. it was like the guys there wasn't a. girls league. Um, so I was a able to. play from like novice to pee-wee and. then peewee is when there's body contact. and that's when I wasn't allowed to play. anymore. But then at that by that time I. was in grade nine like my first year of. high school and they had a girls team in. the high school. So I had um tried out. for that and I almost said auditioned.

>> You auditioned. I tried out for the. girls team in high school and I made it. And then I blew it by going to our first. tournament out of town and. getting expelled from school and kicked. off the out of the tournament because. someone got caught drinking in the hotel. room and someone ratted her out. >> No. Amal. >> And my parents were just so mad at me. Like it was like I like did drugs or. something [laughter] which I've never.

done by the way and it was like I had. done something so terrible. It's like. who cares? Of course I'm I'm away from. my parents. I'm in a hotel. We're in. Toronto, the big city doing like an you. know like an offsa tournament and like. yeah I got busted so I got had to go. home. My parents were like we're going. to send you to the Catholic school a and. I was just like oh what have I done? >> Stop. Did you make friends with all the. guys when you were playing with like. guys or were you like the odd man out. and people would like. >> you? My whole life I've been like.

friends with guys um all in school and. we would like get in real fights. I'm a. good blocker. [laughter]. That's like that was my move. I'm a. blocker. Like block the punch. Um and. yeah, so I played a lot of sports. Hockey in the winter, baseball in the. summer. I was a pitcher. There was a lot. of like because I was so into hockey. like there's a lot of like. rollerblading. So I was rollerblading. around town, building forts,

skateboarding, and um and all that stuff. Yeah, I hung. out with the guys and then I like left. home, had a band, lived on a tour bus. with guys, and still like to this day. I'm just like most of my friends are. guys. >> Did your parents ever be like, "Why. don't you have any girlfriends? Like. should we invite like Rebecca over? like. let's try this. Let's give it a whirl. Avil or did they like not give a [ __ ]. >> My parents were really strict with me. Like if I had a guy over who was just my.

friend even like there was no bedroom. It was like the middle floor. They. monitored it. It was dinner. It was But. all we wanted to do anyway was run. around and like rollerblade, skateboard, play mini hockey. I played hockey, too. And my brother played hockey. You did? >> Yes. >> What position? I was like, well, first. of all, I was like not that great. I. ended up going and playing soccer, but I. was like on offense and my dad works for. the NHL. So, like my whole life hockey,

it was Oh my god. We were a full hockey. It was. >> Oh my god. >> It was cool. But we were like, it was. weird. I think in Pennsylvania, like. you're lucky, Canada, it was like that's. the sport, but in Pennsylvania people. were like, "Why do you have your. children playing freaking hockey?" And. my dad was like, "It's just the best. sport ever. Like, just trust us." And so. we had like roller hockey, mini hockey. in the basement on the carpet. Like. sticks and burn them over the [laughter]. stove. >> Yes. Oh my god. And like I think people. were like, "What are you guys doing in.

your basement?" We're like, "We're. playing mini hockey. >> Living our best lives.". >> Literally thriving. And it was so fun. >> Ever [ __ ] with us when we're older. [laughter]. >> But it's cool that you played hockey. because I feel like it's obviously a. sport that makes you really [ __ ]. tough. It does. and you just learn to. like basically get the [ __ ] beaten out. of you on the ice and then you're like, "Oh, it's normal day. >> and it's freezing cold.". >> You wake up and just skating alone. >> is so hard. It's like gnarly cardio. And. then if you're actually like playing and.

stick handling and shooting and like. you're out there and the game is. happening, skating is its own thing. >> Oh my god. I remember like I want cuz. Matt my husband is from LA and I so. badly just want to take him like ice. skating even if it's like during. Christmas time around like the little. [ __ ] pond, okay? Cuz he's so good at. sports but he does know know how to ice. skate. So I'm like watch me backwards. skate. Watch me skate around. Watch me. do drills a bit. [laughter] Like. >> can you Are you awesome on skates?

>> I'm really good. Like. >> me too. >> We should skate. >> Yes. Like we're in LA. Like I can skate. backwards, cross over, all of it. >> It's like it is a pretty good skill to. have. And I feel like it's a flex when. like a guy takes you ice skating during. like the holidays and you're like, "Oh, you think I'm going to have to hold your. hand or hold on to like the rails the. whole time?" [ __ ] I'm going to be. holding you. Like I know Matt's going to. be falling and I'm going to be holding. him. I just don't know if I want to take. him cuz I may get the ick. So I just. like need to be careful. >> I know. Like make sure he's ready for. that.

>> No, [laughter]. literally. So, you like had a pretty. normal upbringing, which I'm happy. you're talking about because it's like. you're playing sports. You're hanging. out. >> I babysat. I shoveled driveways. I mowed. lawn. >> Oh my god. >> And did the whippers snipper? >> The [laughter] weed whacker. >> The whippers. >> Oh, I put flyers out. >> Stop. >> Um, I cleaned houses. >> You did it all. >> I worked at a a fried chicken place. >> How was that? >> And then I got fired. >> Oh, again. Were you drinking on the job? >> No, I was I'm a really good a hard.

worker. I actually asked requested for. some time off to perform somewhere and. he used it against me. >> Oh my god, he must feel so [ __ ] dumb. now. [ __ ]. >> And then I wrote a song about it on my. first album. >> Wait, which one? >> It's called My World. >> And that's about the chicken shop. [clears throat] you worked at? >> Got fired by a fried chicken ass all in. a small town. Napony. >> Wait, that was about hit. Shut the [ __ ]. up. And like I heard after they like. took the lyrics of my song and like. framed it and put it up in the store.

>> You're like, "Fuck, >> [ __ ] you. I could have used the extra. $20.". >> Wait, that's [ __ ] epic. I didn't. realize that. Like now I need to go back. and listen to that song again because. sometimes when you're listening to. songs, you're like, "Oh, did they just. kind of like make that up or like that?". You literally lived that. You got. [ __ ] fired from those. >> Talk about my hair is actually so curly. like no one knows that. I have a really. frizzy curly hair. >> What. >> I didn't discover the flat iron until. the making of my first album. So on that.

song also my world I talk about how I. would braid my hair in a zillion braids. and it would take me all freaking day. Are the lyrics because it would take me. five hours. So I would just braid my. hair in little braids because there was. no flat iron back then or definitely not. in my small town. Right. Then when I. came to LA, I was like working on my. album. My producer took me to get a blow. dry and I was like. what? This is lifech changing. Do you know.

what I have done? I used to like shower. and like wash my hair like put on a. toque. >> Stop. >> What you guys call a beanie in the. States. A beanie. Just like let my hair. try to dry flat. I I couldn't get it. straight. >> You're trying to literally like pin it. to your head. So then she got me my. producer got me a flat iron for actually. yeah for [clears throat] my birthday and. then it was it was game over. Everyone. just thinks I have stick straight hair. like never will I ever want curly hair. again.

>> It's so straight. It's so straight. Like. your first album I remember cuz my hair. is so naturally straight that I was like. oh my cuz so girls used to make fun of. me in like middle school being like your. best friend is your straightener. And I. was like I don't own a straightener. because my hair was so straight. So when. I saw your first album, I was like, "Oh. my god, she's a straight hair girly like. me." Now I'm realizing like a girl. >> Dude, if you saw my hair, it's like. poof. It's like so curly. I hate it. >> But like my friends like it. >> I bet it's so gorge. Like I bet you.

actually look amazing. But. [clears throat] I get when you're. younger, like anything you have, you're. like, I want the opposite. I don't want. this [ __ ]. >> But my hair is so thick. So when I do. get a blow dry, it's like lasts for like. a week. When I'm thinking now of how. normal your upbringing was, like what do. you think people in your town. >> thought when you started getting famous? >> I [laughter] don't know. >> Like, do you think it was a surprise to. people. >> like Okay, so like around school.

Okay, so when I was 14, I won a contest. to sing on stage with Shaniah Twain. >> in Ottawa. was like a few hours away. from my small town and like I sang on. stage with her and then I came back and. I was like famous in my high school. I. was like walking around the the hallway. I was like ah singer girl. She's the. singer girl. That's several. So everyone. kind of knew me as like the singer girl. >> You got famous at 17 years old. Like big. big things. >> So I'm a high school dropout.

>> Love. Love. >> Me too. >> Do you [laughter]. went to New York and I started making my. first album. My friends were all doing. um what are those things called? The. exams. >> The [ __ ] I DIDN'T HAVE TO DO. >> Is it an exam? >> Like SATs? >> What's the thing at the end? Yeah, an. exam. Yeah, I didn't have to do that. >> Oh, finals. >> I would make fun of them. And I'd be. like, >> "Thank God I don't have to do this. >> I'm just in New York gaining 10 pounds,

eating McDonald's and pizza every day. No shit.". >> That's all my brother and I did because. he came to chaperone. And so yeah, and. and but all I was thinking at the same. time was this better work, >> right? You're [laughter] like, "Fuck, >> this better work.". >> Cuz I feel like you're a quite confident. person. Like did you have any. insecurities back then? >> No, I was like just like tomboy liked. hanging out with the guys, loved music. Um and then you know like when I was. when I was younger I was singing in.

church, singing at like the country. fairs around town. And that's kind of. like those were sort of the like options. in front of me. Then when I got into. high school, so like 14, 15, I was like. not really feeling these songs anymore. So I like went through a phase where it. was like I I could have gone, you know, I was at a crossroads. It could have. been like okay, I'm not going to sing. anymore. Or it was just like I was just. like, I don't want to do these events. anymore. Um, so I started turning them.

down and it was kind of like, oh, what. are we doing here? And that forced me to. write my own songs. So I sat in my. bedroom and was like playing the guitar. I had no idea what I was doing. I knew. one chord, but I was going to figure it. out. And so I started definitely like. writing for sure at 14. And I know that. because one of my songs I wrote, >> oh my god, >> really? I'm 14 years old. >> No, [laughter]. >> I'm not that old. That's one of the. [ __ ] lyrics in the song. So I was. like, I know I was writing by 14. Um,

>> that's amazing. >> Yeah. So, and then I got into high. school and then I discovered like Green. Day and No Effects, Blink 182, and I was. like, "Yes." [snorts] And like got an. electric guitar, wore it low, and um. just started writing my own songs. And. that's kind of like where it all shifted. for me. and then sort of like ended up. performing again and making my way to.

New York City, getting a record deal by. like 16 and was so young, no one could. fathom that like I wanted to write my. own songs. So that was like the biggest. sort of challenge on my the making of. the first album and that. >> everyone the producers, you know, they. naturally went to like polished and and. fluffy and this and that and I was just. like no. And it was like really it I. worked with a million people on that. album and then I finally connected. towards the end with um.

a couple producers that then understood. they like sat there and listened to me. and and heard what I was going for. We. wrote the songs together and it was like. a really perfect collaboration where it. was like, "Okay, there's this young. girl. She has a vision. We're going to. work with her and help her get there.". and they were all extremely talented. people too. And so. >> fought for that, got it and like you. know developed my own sound and style. and and the rest is history. at first.

like sound and style like I remember I. was reading somewhere you really. described it as like pretty like angsty. and like. >> you coming across as like a quite like. chill happy person like were you. actually feeling a lot of those emotions. cuz like some of the songs are really. [ __ ] sad because trust me I cried to. them and I when I was growing up so like. where were those feelings coming from? I'm a really big feeler and I feel. everything and I've gone through, you. know, I've obviously experienced all. different types of emotion. Uh when. you're in high school, when you're going.

in that age, you know, you're really. trying to like you're like feeling. having a crush for the first time or. being disappointed, feeling neglected or. like being vulnerable um and um opening. your heart to someone your first um. breakup and there and the excitement of. something new. There's so much to like. tap into and to write about. I was never. really thinking about it. It would. probably just end up being like that day. what I was feeling. There definitely. like songs like losing grip. I'm often.

like I listen to the lyrics and I'm like. and I knew it when I was writing them. like where's this [ __ ] coming from? Is. this my past life? [laughter]. >> Were your parents ever like what the. [ __ ] Ail? Are you okay? Oh, I I not. really, but they were they were like. they didn't like the swearing. They were. a little like, you know, the clothes and. but like they get it. My mom when I was. two, she was like she knew I was going. to be a singer like came home from.

church. She's like she's. holy [ __ ] [laughter]. Holy God. She's like she's like came. home. She said I came home from church. singing Jesus loves me or Jesus loves. you. And she's like oh my god she can. sing. And so my parents were like so. supportive and like obviously wouldn't. be here without that support. >> Were you always confident getting on a. stage? Like are you like I feel like. you're not you you were you just. >> Yeah, >> cuz like I. >> I always have this weird dream though.

where I'm on stage and I can't remember. the words. Why have I been doing that. lately? [laughter]. >> Wait, stop. >> But now I'm confident on stage. It's. like. >> you never even thought about it. It's. like nothing. >> Yeah, >> that's incredible. >> And when Okay. Okay. And then when I. sang with Schneia on stage, I was in. front of like 20,000 people in this. arena like packed. I was 14 and I I all. I felt like overcome my whole body. It. was like like walked out on stage and I. was just like, "Oh my gosh, like I. really this is what I really want like. for me.".

>> And then like two years later, three. years later, I sold out that arena and. played my own show. >> Do you remember like how you felt? >> I was like, "This is crazy. This is. insane. >> And when you would have those moments of. like, holy [ __ ] Like would you turn to. like your mom? Like who was your go-to. person to like freak out with? >> I still like have them all the time. >> Mhm. >> Wow. >> Just like if I'm just like walking, I. hear myself like out in public and I'm. like I was going to say and I'm in a. mall and then I hear myself but I'm not.

really in a mall. I [laughter] don't. know where I am. Maybe it's an outdoor. mall. >> I don't know. wherever I am and I hear. myself on the radio like it's it's. definitely like damn [ __ ]. >> you made it like small town no. connections I don't know how I did it it. was supposed to happen obviously. >> a lot of hard work. >> but it's really interesting to hear you. talking about your songwriting process. because you're so talented. >> and hearing you be like I'm writing. losing grip and I'm literally like what.

the [ __ ] am I where did I did I. experience this like nobody's home. It's. >> right. Well, >> I kind of felt that way too, but like I. was also like, "Okay, I'm going to write. this about this like girl that I know. where like the words sort of start and. I'm like, "Oh, I'm going to take it in. this direction and it's not about me and. I'm tapping into like what I know. somebody else went through.". >> Interesting. How did you feel about all. the fame and attention? >> I think I was fine with it. And like my. whole life is like weird because of it.

Like everything I do, you're in public, so you just like do weird things like. there's people walking, so you just kind. of turn or like you're not just not just. going to like stand there, you know? It's like I mean, if I was like in an. airport waiting for like a suitcase, you. know, you're going to like kind of stand. behind the like pillar. You're not just. going to stand. It's all like that. And. it never bugged me or anything. I just. like I got it. I was like, "Okay, this. is how things go now." That's a really. healthy way to look at it because I feel. like that's a unique. >> perspective. Like I feel like a lot of.

people feel like they don't have. autonomy over their life once they get. famous and you're like. >> chilling. >> Like I get followed every time. Not. every time that I get followed when I. leave my house. I don't know how. I try. to like go different ways and stuff like. that. And so, like, I like to go to the grocery store and I. like to do all that stuff, but I have to. be in the head space to like. energetically energetically handle it, which I'm totally fine with, too. Like, really, >> do you really want your picture taken.

like this? If you walk out right now, are you okay with it? You know what I. mean? It's like you have to think about. that. >> That's I mean, I am really pleased by. your answer. Like, there is no right or. wrong answer. Like, I've had musicians. sit here and be like, "I'm such an. introvert. It's really [ __ ] hard.". and like I hate it and I wish I could. just write songs and upload it and never. be in public. That's awesome to know. that you're someone that's like I don't. really care. It's actually kind of. chill. >> It is what it is and like I I learned it. and how to move with it and it's like I. would never complain about it because. what I get to do is [ __ ] awesome and.

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This message is sponsored by Zakdoc. What do you think people, if anything, like misunderstood about you from your. career and like you growing up in the. spotlight? >> So, I think when people meet me, like. I think they're like, "Oh my god, you're. so nice. [laughter]. You're so sweet." No, I found I like ask. people to like guys, they're like, "You're like like more like I don't know. what the word is like soft, like. feminine, more girly or something." Um,

I think people because of like my. maybe my music videos think I'm like. like all the time and I'm not. I'm. actually like Well, what do you think? What is your take on me? Yeah. I Yeah. I. mean, just now trying to think about it. because I think when you were younger, I. really. >> and I was younger, I channeled like, "Oh, this girl's sad and angry.". [laughter]. >> Like because.

>> I know it was like angry Averil. >> Yeah. And I think that was like But now. it's kind of really incredible to like. get to sit across from you and hear you. be like some of these songs I was. writing like there was a girl I knew and. I was like writing about her and then. like it really wasn't that deep. like my. boss [ __ ] fired me from my chicken. spot and so I'm like [ __ ] you. I wish I. got my extra 20 and my new my other. paycheck. Like I think it's. >> I do think though I don't take back. though like I loved how deep those songs. were and angsty they were because I felt.

like a lot of people. >> needed that that type of music back. then. Like I think you're right. There. was so much like pop and princess and it. was like woo like let's shake our bodies. and be and I'm like I don't my my crush. that doesn't even know I exist broke up. with me and he didn't even know he broke. up with me but he didn't look at me. today so I'm heartbroken and I'm going. to go listen to losing grip and I'm. going to [ __ ] cry. I needed that. Okay. I don't need like a shake your. body and dance and be happy. Sure. Maybe. on a Friday night but like I in that era. needed that.

>> depressingesque. music. Is that [ __ ] up to say? >> Yeah. But it's nice to know you weren't. depressed, I guess. >> I mean I mean I went through it all and. I was like a teenager and feeling the. feels and I was definitely like in like. emo and like going through it and like. feeling it all and um it's like I don't. want to write a song about being happy. because it's going to be kind of like. cheesy and like not that cool. Kind of. going through that right now where I'm. like I don't know what to write about. because like it's just like that's the.

thing. It's like an intense emotion like. >> Head Above Water was like a really dark. heavy song for me. Like kind of like. near-death experience like one of the. hardest things I've ever gone through in. my life. But like. >> real easy to write about. >> I was literally like laying there in bed. like I'm dying and I'm accepting it. Oh, there's a song. Got to literally grab my. phone and like the song like channels. through me. Um,

>> are you referencing when you got sick? >> Mhm. Yeah. >> Okay. And that was for like kind of like. what two plus years of your life you. were like in bed. >> Yeah. It was like I was kind of like. bedridden for a couple years and like. and then like you know you got like. stronger coming out of that and that's. something that like rocks you pretty. hard but like I'm really grateful to be. like on the other other end of that. And. so that was like a really um in I'll. think twice about uh riding the dirt. bikes out in the woods on the east coast.

next time. Yeah. All I did was just like out. outside and it's like you know. >> But I get what you're saying. You're. like then you're laying there and you're. like yeah I can write a depressing song. right now because this [ __ ] sucks. But it's like waves of emotion that. you're like tuning into. And like. I've gone through a lot in my life in. love like tons of ups and downs and like. you know I've definitely written like. the angry songs and the sad songs and.

having going through like something hard. in life it's easy to like sit down at. the piano especially that instrument. really po pulls it out of me. Um but on. like my last album Love Sucks it was. like much lighter. Um, even though it. was like little boy bashing and like. poking fun at like love and stuff, it. was I kind of like putting a twist on my. songs now where it's like it's like it's. funny. It's like I'm just like rolling.

my eyes at myself for it like not. working out again or something and just. like having fun with it. I don't like. I'm in a phase in a place right now. today where where I'm writing and I. don't really like want it to be like. that dark. I say that means. [clears throat] nothing at all because. tomorrow I could write like go write a. a boohhoo song. >> I think that's something that I. >> just never know like with it's like when. I when I'm in the kitchen and I'm. cooking I don't know what I'm cooking. and it turns into what it turns into. I.

get a canvas I love to paint. I have no. idea what I'm doing. I'm like oh that. looks cool. That can go on the wall. That one not so much. >> Totally. No. >> It's when you write a song sometimes. like you can be intentional with an. album. go in and be like, "This is my. vibe." Or you can just like wing it, write, and just see what kind of comes. out and gets put together. >> I think that some people may not know. Like I love that you said like when you. walked into those meetings, people were. like, "How is like a 15, six year old.

16-year-old girl trying to write like. here, let us give you writers and like. just go sing, sweetie." And I think. you're such an incredible I know you're. such an incredible writer that like I. know one of the fun facts online that. everyone still can't get over is that. you wrote Breakaway for Kelly Clarkson. and that's like a perfect example of. like you're so talented. Do you remember. writing that song and like was it about. a heartbreak? >> The lyric used to be I grew up in a. small town and when the snow would fall. down I would just stare out my window. >> Oh my god. [laughter and gasps] I'm.

actually gonna um probably will perform. that Breakaway, Kelly Clarkson's. Breakaway on The Greatest Hits Tour. >> That would be [ __ ] amazing. How But. how did you decide to get rid of it? >> Um. >> I just like wasn't feeling it. And um. I'm so glad it went to her. She killed. it. It was a massive hit for her. And um. yeah, it's kind of like just like. growing um being from a small town and. taking a chance and like going into the. big city and going after your dream.

>> There is a crazy rumor out there about. you that I obviously have to ask about. And I always ask people when they come. on my show like, "Oh, what's the. craziest rumor that you've ever heard. about yourself?" I guess I could just. first ask you like what would you answer. before I ask you something? >> Oh yeah, that one. I know what you're. talking about. I mean, it's just funny to me like on. like at one end everyone's like, "Oh my. god, you look the exact same. You. haven't aged a day." But then other. people are like, you know, there's a.

conspiracy theory. >> that I'm not me. There is a. [laughter]. >> cool. Honestly, it's not that bad. It. could be worse, right? Like I feel like. I got a good one. >> But is it okay? >> I don't think it's like negative or. anything like creepy. It's like. >> it's ail. this conspiracy theory about you is a. little creepy. Come on. >> Oh. >> no. >> Yeah. I don't know. It could be worse. >> It could. Yeah. No, you could be getting.

like online. >> Obviously, I [laughter] am being so. dumb. >> To people that don't understand, just to. give people context, there's a. conspiracy theory that Aver Lavine is no. longer with us. And there is a woman. named Melissa who took over. And you I. can't even say seriously. [laughter]. You sitting across from me, you are. Melissa. And there are like conspiracy. theories that run so [ __ ] deep. Like. does it annoy you that there will be. people that comment on this episode. being like that's Melissa. That's not a.

>> When did it start my second album? Like. I don't even know. Like I think like. from the beginningish second album. >> I don't know. >> And why do you think people think that? >> I think that they've done that with. other artists. I'm not the only one. >> I think like other people have that. >> I feel like yours is like really. prominent. >> Oh, I mean I feel like you might believe. that. >> I'm honestly the one that started the. conspiracy [laughter]. theory. >> I'm one of those freak bloggers that's. like I went undercover to interview. Melissa. [laughter].

>> Oh my god. No, but it's it's [ __ ]. crazy and I just have empathy for you. But it's good again to know you don't. give a [ __ ] where people are like oh. Melissa showed up today. And I'm like I. remember like being like what are people. talking about? And then I went and. started looking and like oh people are. [ __ ] insane so you don't care. >> We're over it. >> Okay. So your name is A Lavine. [laughter]. >> Yeah. >> BUT I KNEW YOU HAVE BELIEVED IT. [laughter]. >> I'm telling you what's crazy is you.

haven't aged. I'm staring at you and. like I'm picturing you with your like. auburn hair and I'm like, "Oh my god, you literally look the same from when. you were younger. You're beautiful." Um, let's talk about your love life. >> Your career exploded when you were so. young. Like, were you still able to go. on dates with guys and then not be. freaked out by yourself? >> I never really did the dating thing. I. was always like in a pretty major. relationship. >> You're a relationship girl. >> Uh, yeah. >> What are you like in a relationship? >> I'm [ __ ] awesome.

I would date me. >> I love that. Um, I cook. I'm a really. big cook. Really big into like the house. and decorating and I have like a lot of. fun with that. So, yeah, I'd always have. people over at my house throw parties, cook big, huge dinners at the dining. room table. I'm going to order that keg sand. There. is going to be a full bar. We are going. to have beer pong and stay up until the. sun comes up. It's going to be a good.

time. And there will be Hello Kitty and. >> there will be matching tattoos involved. All of my tattoos were drunk tattoos and. like they'd be boring if I was sober. >> All of them are drunk. >> So, let's finish this beer and then. we'll call my tattoo art. We'll go to. Shamrock on Sunset. >> Okay. So, all these are drunk tattoos. >> Mhm. Yeah. My like the skater boy star. was my first tattoo. I was 19. And then. um. >> Do your parents have tattoos? >> All my tattoos are.

>> Oh, I have tattoos on my hips. Um no, I. think I'm the only one in the family. really with a bunch of tattoos. My dad. had a couple. >> Okay. Um what is the hardest lesson. you've ever learned about love? >> I mean, I definitely went through my. like jaded phase um. with my previous album called Love. Sucks. Um, and I had gone into a place. of, all right, I'm just going to like focus.

on myself. I'm going to move to Malibu. I'm going to build my own life for me, and I'm not going to like wait for a guy. or rely on a guy to like do that. And, um, I definitely felt like I had the. wind knocked out of me. Um, I had been. through like enough. >> and um, it was definitely like ne I was. in a place of like never trust a guy. again. >> and just like you're going to have to.

like rely on yourself. Um, but I don't. feel that way today thankfully. >> That's amazing. Yeah. >> Have you ever been cheated on? >> Have I been with a male before? Then the. answer is yes. [laughter]. much as anyone's ever [ __ ] me over, which has happened a [ __ ] ton, I've always just like been the classy. [ __ ] and taken the high road and kept. kept it to myself. >> I appreciate that. Um, I think a lot of. people stay in things because they're.

like nervous to start over. I think. that's like a really normal feeling, especially for women. It's like, >> yeah, people are fearful. >> Fearful. Do you have any advice of like. how to know when to move on and like how. to get yourself out of something that's. like maybe comfortable, but you know you. need to like be on your own and be. single? >> It's hard when you're in something. because like you're in it. So, you know, it's a big deal to leave a relationship. to to change is hard to have to step.

out. It's it requires a lot, you know, and some people can't see like that that. clearly. It's like always easier once. you're um on the other end, but if. you're not happy, you're never going to. be happy and life is short and you. should just really get out as soon as. possible so you can move on and then you. know have a better future for yourself. Some people like to have like something. that they're leaving and going to and. you know sometimes you have to take that. leap of faith and just trust that.

if you're not happy it's it's not a. healthy relationship. it's not a good. situation just to get out and it's okay. to have like time on your own in between. if you need it and you know just believe. and hope that something greater is out. there for you and if not you're better. off on your own than someone draining. the [ __ ] out of you. Facts. Thank you. Um are you seeing anyone right now? [laughter]. Now I know even if you were, you're. never going to [ __ ] tell me.

Maybe. [gasps and snorts]. Okay. What do you look for in a partner? >> Do you remember the cheers? >> Oh, kind of. Okay, let's try it again. [ __ ] You're avoiding my question. Okay. >> Bottoms. >> [ __ ]. >> Top crisscross. >> Okay. Do it again. Do it again. Okay. >> Tops. Bottoms. Tops. Crissross. >> Okay. That's pretty good. >> And And are you a beer drinker? I am.

when I'm like whether I'm like outside. for summer like I'm not drinking beer. usually if it's like winter but if it's. like summer I like to drink it like with. Matt if I'm sitting outside with my dogs. like it's like a chill drink if I'm like. oh I don't want to be drinking tequila. tonight I will drink beer and also in. college are you kidding me I was. >> drinking natties like a freak and like. it was bad and beer bonging and. everything. So, like any day, anytime, anytime in California, you could be beer. drinker.

>> Absolutely. Exactly. Pennsylvania, >> you should come to my house in Malibu. We'll we'll have a beer and play beer. pong. >> and you'll answer some of my questions. [laughter] off camera. >> Yeah. >> Oh, honey, if. >> you only knew. >> Ail, you're giving us blue balls. Okay. What do you Okay, so you may be seeing. someone. What do you look for in a. partner? Um, so I think the most important thing is. finding someone that you're compatible. with because you could be two different.

great people, but if you're not. compatible, you're not going to get. along. So like you're going to argue. Um, so compatibility, obviously it all. just sounds cliche, someone that is. trustworthy because if you don't have. that, you're just never going to feel. grounded in the relationship and you're. going to be spinning. Um, so that's just. not healthy. I'm looking for, you know, a I. >> a healthy relationship is ideal. Duh. >> Yes. Like, do we really have to say.

these things are so simple and cliche. and basic, but that's what you need. You. need compatibility, trust, like. >> do you have a type? >> I don't think I have a type, but like. >> someone who's at least like I think. someone who's like me, who's like. sporty, got a, you know, a little rough. around the edges, likes to have a good. time, but had is like, you know, a. solid. I need someone who's like a solid. that I can lean on to. >> Yeah. Oh my god. Would you ever date. like an athlete?

What about a hockey player? No. [laughter] You're like, they're too. No. What about a guy from Canada that's. on the in the NHL? Come on. Wait. That's. [ __ ] perfect. No. We're done with the. rappers. [laughter]. Did you ever date Taigga? You're like, get out of here. Wait, does it annoy you. that every time you upload something. with Taiga, people are like, "Is this. your announcement that you're dating or. you don't care?". >> Like, I didn't Google myself. Is that. what it says?

>> Yes, Melissa. It says that [laughter]. you're like, "Bitch, you really believe. it? I promise I don't." Um, what does it. take for a guy to impress you on a first. date? Um I I think I've changed a lot. and my expectations and what I am. looking for because I've like um. you know learned through my experiences. and just you know I'm into something. that's just like stable, healthy, fun,

um just well-rounded. >> Yeah. >> What? >> Like this [ __ ] just sounds super cheesy. That's why I don't write love songs. [laughter]. >> Ail, this is good. This is like therapy. Like you can totally be happy and say. happy thoughts, but then like please. keep writing bangers that like make me. cry. Like [laughter] please. Although. like girlfriend was like. >> not pop. Well, that was actually not. happy. >> It was just like sassy and cocky. I.

don't like your girlfriend. I think you. need a new one. I could be your. girlfriend. >> Oh my god. >> I wrote that [ __ ] song in two. minutes. at chorus literally 2 minutes. I was like putting my book bag on, leaving the studio. It was like 11:00 at. night and I was like, >> "Play me a riff.". >> Cuz we were borrowing. um we had this like amazing Les Paul and. I was I was talking to Luke and I was. like, "Yo, play me something like punk. rock right now." And he's like. and I was like, "Hey you, I don't like.

your girlfriend." And he's like and. we're like, "No way." And he's like, "Think you need a new one?" And I was. like, "Hey, you. I could be a. girlfriend." Literally, he puts the. drums to it. Two minutes, wrote that, put it on a CD. [laughter]. I got a CD, put it in my car, and I took. it home. I was like, "This is going to. be the song of the summer.". >> It was, >> and I knew it, and my body has done that. to me, like with my happy ending. >> I s we were in the studio, made the. song. I came in after I was done singing.

it, sat down, they played me the song, and I was like, I just got this entire feeling over my. body and I I just like I can't explain. it. I was like it was like I knew it was. big but I wasn't like. >> this is a hit. Like I didn't like talk. like that but I was like. >> this is going to be like I could feel it. like I knew it was a going to be a big. song for me. The same with complicated. laying in in the grass in California, one of my first trips and around the.

orange trees with writing with Lauren. and we're like working on this song and. I just remember like sitting on the. floor and I'm like I hear this on the. radio. Like I had like these really. strong feelings with like some of my big. songs. >> Do you remember? >> I never had that feeling with a song. that didn't like [clears throat] wild. >> Yeah. Go to number one. >> When you came up with complicated, was. that one where you were actually like. experiencing it in your life or you were. just like I just was kind of like it. just felt right and I like came up with. this verse and it worked.

>> I would I had like a couple weeks or a. month um with the Matrix and Lauren and. I were just like getting blow dries and. like getting cupcakes at Ralph's and. like sitting in the backyard and just. talking and I was just like, you know, like I love skater boys and this is the. only type of guy I'm attracted to. I. will literally walk down the street and. I see someone wearing big fat skate. shoes and I will look twice, you know. So, it's like our conversations and then. um you know them as a team um working.

musically on stuff and us all getting. together and just. complicated. Skater boy, I'm with you. Those are the. singles off the first album. >> Where were you when you wrote I'm With. You. >> We were sitting on the piano. It was. like. >> that one's hard. That was like one of. those days where you're like getting in. touch with the sad like more like. depressed like self and that's that's. okay. And you know people you know. really connected with that song and. still to this day that's like one of my.

favorite songs to perform live. It's. [ __ ] powerful. Like even to me 22. years later, I play that [ __ ] [ __ ] on. stage. I'm seeing people like we're. going from like all the pop rock songs, everyone's like fist pumping and like. losing their [ __ ] I go into that tears. >> People are like moved and it's like you. see all the different emotions and. that's why writing is important to me. >> because I'm so connected to the songs. I. think there's something with like my.

me being like super authentic in the way. that like I dressed and like wrote the. songs and just the way I was and didn't. give a [ __ ] and wasn't calculated and it. was all and that people really like um. were attracted to that and and like. connected with that. >> Well, yeah, because when you look at. someone in the industry, you can. literally tell like and and I'm not. being like rude. It's just obvious when. someone has been like constructed by. like these dance moves and this song and. this this and like you didn't write that. song. You wouldn't wear that if a.

stylist like the stylist put that on. you. You can tell like you've been. yourself since day one and you've stuck. up for what you believe in. Literally. from the fashion to your writing to your. sound to your look. Like thank god we. got you a straightener. Now you're. happy. [laughter] I want to see your. hair. I didn't want to think about what. I was wearing today and I was like, "Oh. my god, you have this really cool like. sweat line. It's called Unwell.". >> Yeah, >> that's so cool. I was like, "Oh yeah, I. just want to like pull up and like wear. sweats." And instead, I just wore the. like shirt I was like wearing the night.

before. I literally wear this t-shirt. for two days. >> I'm obsessed. I know. Cuz when I thought. you were going to wear sweats, I was. like, "Oh my god, I would totally give. you sweats, but this outfit is so cute. [laughter]. >> I would I will put the sweats on and go. home and veg in in them for three days.". You're like, [laughter] "Can I leave?". No, Averil, I just want to say thank you. for coming because like I had no idea. what to expect. Obviously meeting you. I. was like obviously hoping that we would. hit it off because again like I'm such a. huge fan, but it's fascinating and it. was incredible to meet you and to like.

listen to where you came from and your. upbringing and your story and like how. [ __ ] talented you are. like the way. that I'm sorry like I could listen to. you for 10 more hours talk about your. songwriting process because again like. we don't see that that often nowadays. I. feel like a lot of people are just like. very manufactured and you are such an. artist from the start to finish. I think. this tour and this album is like. >> I'm freaking out about it so I can. imagine all of your other friends are. fans are also freaking. What do you hope.

they take away from this tour when they. come? It's just like. for for the fans that have been with me. from day one, it's just like even for. myself, it's just all the years and all. the different eras and all the different. phases in our in our lives from like. high school to this date to that date. and connecting with the songs and like. you hear a song and it takes you back. I. even hear like one of my songs and it. takes me back to like that time of my. life. It's like it's been, you know, so.

long. It's been 22 years and I feel like. I have like another 22 ahead of me. But. it's a journey of our lives. It like. takes us back to high school, at. college, like this phase, that phase, that relationship, this summer, that. summer. And that's like the power and. beauty in music is like it can take you. right back there. You can feel it all. over again. And I think it's just like a. celebration of life, our lives, and. remembering like all the good times. And. music does that. And I think the shows. are going to be like super fun. I'm. stoked to be going back out on tour. my.

seventh world tour and I'm like so. grateful to like be from a tiny little. town, you know, playing hockey and. skateboarding and to have been able to. like write music and to have it um be. successful internationally and to have. like to still be doing my thing today. I'm like looking forward to like growing. like creatively and dipping my toes in. to in the you know other creative waters.

and doing a film and like turning skater. boy into a movie and like you know all. that other stuff. So I'm super grateful. but I just want everybody to have a good. time and most importantly I want to have. a good time. >> Last question. What are the top three. favorite songs for you that you're going. to be performing? Like if you had to. pick my own songs. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. when you're going out. there from the album and on this tour, like what are your top three favorites. to perform if you had to pick? I know. that's hard. >> Well, it's funny cuz there's no new. songs, right?

>> So, like I definitely want to bring a. cover song in and I recently just um met. up with the Green Day Boys and gave them. an award at the iHeart Awards. And like. seeing them again, I was like, "These. guys are cool." Like Dookie was one of. the first CDs like my brother and I had. and like they're celebrating that right. now. And so like I definitely want to do. a Green Day cover and um. >> Girlfriend is really fun.

>> Um I love I'm with you. My happy ending. Um. >> so good. >> And of course, Skater Boy. >> Skater boy. Boom. Ail, thank you so. much. >> And maybe I'll put the tie on for you. >> Please [laughter] send me a [ __ ]. picture. >> You have to come out to the LA show. >> Please. Oh my god. That's when you're. going to wear it. Please. Like. literally, please. like make me feel so. special. >> But you and your hubby should come to. the show. >> Oh my god, we would love to. I would. love to come. Thank you for coming on. the show. You can go to bed now. I love. you.

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