Tana Mongeau: Internet Lore, Sobriety & Finding Love

What is up, Daddy gang? It is your. founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call. Her Daddy. >> Tana Mongeau, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Alex Cooper, thank you for having me. Very exciting. >> It's so exciting to me, and I think that. it's really crazy. our trajectory. Like. >> We have to talk about it. >> Even just the last episode of Call Her. Daddy that I was on, and the beginning, the guests, like there's so much. >> week of our life. >> Here. I know. There's so much here.

>> Okay. Let's tell people how we got here. >> [laughter]. >> Because people are probably like. >> What's going on? >> Yeah. >> What's going on? >> Yeah. >> Is this unexpected? I don't know. Or. expected? >> That's really interesting. Maybe a. little bit of both to me, but like. I don't know. I'm just in this era of. life where I'm trying. You're a businesswoman, and there's a. lot to learn, and there I think in every. other era of life I. missed out on that connection with you, and like uh just. >> It's funny. Even we got lunch the other. day, and I sit down, and I was like, "Do.

you hate me?". >> And you're like, "No.". >> And I was like, "Tana, [laughter]. we I don't We don't even like What How. would I. >> And I'm just that unwell Vegas, mind. you. It's like, "Why am I asking her. this?" But I guess it was just that like. you and I had never gotten to have a. moment that was off camera. We'd never. gotten to have a moment where we both. weren't on, or like even the first Call. Her Daddy I was like I needed rehab, not. Call Her Daddy. Let's talk about that. >> [laughter]. >> It was such a weird moment. So, Tana DMs. me and is like, "Will you go to lunch. with me?" And I'm like. >> So ominous, too. So ominous. >> No context.

>> Yeah. >> "Of course." Like And I'm trying to. think like, "What does she want to talk. about?" But I also KIND OF WANT. >> [laughter]. >> AND SO THEN WE GET THERE. and it You were in a little button-down. You were so wholesome. >> It was. I was like, "I'll wear my. button-down.". >> You You ate your pigs in a blanket. >> [laughter]. >> There is something about scarfing pigs. in a blanket across from you that is. just Some things will never change. >> talked about so much at that lunch. >> Mhm. >> And felt. >> it was the first time we got to. really bond. Like we didn't have a.

moment and I was like, oh wow, like. You know what I mean? Like I don't want. to be like, oh well, she's a person. You're always a person. But like we'd. never been able to like strip down and. just really discuss our like ideals and. With no cameras. And I think that that. was like the moment where we had such a. fabulous conversation. We talked about a. multitude of things. One being like how. much we have grown since we met. The. fact that we podcasted together over. It's been over six years. That's crazy. Tana. That's really crazy. But like the.

growth is I think evident. I mean, I. don't have silver hair anymore. Yes, oh. my god, and my tracks aren't out for the. first time in my life. Like I just I. needed to go darker. There's so many. There's so many little things where it's. like, Jesus Christ. internally, we both. needed to wanted to know. [laughter] And. it's like, what am I supposed to do with. this? I told you we're in demolition. Yeah, it. First of all, I walk in. But I have to. say there's something and I don't know. if I can say this word on Call Her. Daddy, but there's something so [ __ ]. about someone walking in and you being. like, we're undergoing demolition right.

now. >> [laughter]. >> The only demolition I've ever had was. interpersonal. Like, you know, the only. demolition I ever had was like in my own. personal life. like everything and I'm. like, it looks like a it really looks. crazy. So thank you for understanding. But I feel so at home in construction, weirdly. I'm under construction always. personally. So anyway, so we leave that lunch and. we're like, oh my god, there's so much. to do business-wise, personal-wise, friendship-wise, but like let's get you. on the podcast because Yeah. I also. think like we deserve to like rewrite. our digital footprint a little bit.

yeah. But I also I think that like a lot. of people had a lot to say about our. original episode of Call Her Daddy. And. I think Yeah, yes, let's take it back. Let's go back. So to anyone that's not. familiar, Mhm. or our original original, there's so. much [laughter] there. That's what I'm. saying. So to anyone who's not. chronically online, almost a decade ago. when Call Her Daddy was started, Tana Mongeau was supposed to be the. first ever guest. >> And aren't you just so happy I wasn't?

Like Like. sometimes the universe does work things. out in a certain way. Like I don't know. if you would have gotten to like the. Kamala Harris's of it all had that. happen, you know? >> Maybe fair. But No, no, no. But I want. to hear this story from your. perspective. So, I'm at Barstool. We had. never had a guest. We were like, "Should. we have a guest?" I was such a huge fan. of yours. I was like watching your. YouTubes. I was like, "Tana it would be. the perfect person." Like I was very. gluck at that time. You were so gluck. >> beyond gluck. >> You were so on brand for us. We were so. But look, we were so congruent with our. brands then and now we're both a little.

bit more brand safe now. And we've grown. But at the time, you. then slept through the interview. >> Yes, well I was sick. But I will say at. the time as well like. who gives a [ __ ] that. >> Yeah, tell me the story from your. perspective. >> I was touring and I had a day off and. like even just my team at the time, you. can imagine what my assistants look. like. We were all just hammered and all. of those things. And yeah, factually I. just like I felt like [ __ ] and I was. like, "I'm so sorry, I can't make this. and whatever." But maybe if you were. doing a little better to your immune. system, you would have shown up. And. like also now it's like maybe if you're.

touring, don't agree on your one off. day. And like obviously this was 10. years ago and I was so bad with timing. then and like just so so bad. Like And I. I had to learn that lesson for 10 more. years to come. Honestly. >> But to be fair, and I said this to you. at lunch you guys, it really was the. best blessing. And it breaks my heart. like still. >> Right. No, but when I look back at all. of those moments where I just fell so. short and I was such a piece of [ __ ] in. so many ways. I know it's 10 years ago. and I know I've changed, but it's just. like you want to go back and shake that. girl.

>> For sure. And like now looking back like. it's really not that deep, but at the. time being like such a huge fan, it it. definitely hurt, but. >> No, but like valid. >> And then when I took the show over and. did it solo, then you came on the show. >> Yes. And I think that there is something. to be said about the fact that like you. gave me a little bit of a proper joking. hazing. And it's like. I also was coming off of all of the Jake. Paul shade at that time. I was also a. drunk mess. You came and you interviewed. me while I was living in the Clout.

House, in my house with like eight. floors that I didn't need to be living. and I needed rehab once again. >> to slow down because. I will never forget. >> Please and I I've forgotten a lot so. please refresh me. >> So first of all, you completely forgot. and I told you this and you were like we. did. We went to Catch the night before I. interviewed you on Call Her Daddy. >> And now I remember. like I remember the paparazzi photos, which is such an embarrassing pathetic. way to remember so much of your life in.

paparazzi photos, but like I have no. idea what happened in that restaurant. >> Tana, I know. I know. >> [laughter]. >> So. you guys, so for context, I flew out to. LA, I'm so excited. I'm going to have. like kind of like my first round of. guests on for Call Her Daddy and my now. husband Matt dropped me off at Catch and. he's like, "So who are you going to see. at Catch?" And I was like, "Tana. Mongeau." And he was like, "Okay." He. drops me off, I walk in and it's like. you and I think like. I forget who's there. It may have been. Trevi, it may have been Ashley. I.

forget. There was like a couple people. there and I was solo riding with you and. your squad. And we talked all of No, look at you. You don't remember. anything? >> I genuinely feel like somewhat like. that's a It's sad to an extent where I'm. just like how much of my life I don't. remember, but I get to I get to get. little bits and pieces. >> Well, let me tell you. So here we are. So so here we are, we're having a. [laughter] spicy tuna roll and we're. talking. We're talking about how you. know you had flaked on Call Her Daddy. and we're talking about the interview. and how like I'm going to bring it up. and we're going to make a joke out of it. and it will be so good for clicks or. whatever and there's paparazzi.

downstairs and the whole thing. >> [laughter]. >> So like you were like on board with this. whole plan. >> Yes. >> So I show up the next day to the Clout. House. And to anyone that is remembering. now with me like Clout House, Hype. House. Like we saw all of this online. >> Mhm. >> But to walk into a actual Tik Tok. influencer YouTuber home, I was so. intimidated. It was. It was so scary. There were so many. people. I opened the front door. I had. no team at the time. I had like one.

freelancer with me and then one person. who had worked with me at Barstool and. we walk in. People I've seen online walking around, filming. Everyone's filming 24/7. >> I my house was just my house, but then. the Hype House was next door and they'd. somehow acquired my door codes, which is. just what in the [ __ ] simulation are. you? And like at one point Post Malone. and his friends were next door and it. was like this whole conglomerate where. everyone just walked into other people's. houses. People would walk in unclothed. It was like I And at this time as well,

it was such a juxtaposition because my. parents were suing me for everything. that I had. So, I'm in the lowest point. of my life while I'm trying to present. that like cuz at that time too, that was. the epitome of success to me, to live in. this Clout House and live in this thing. And like how lost you have to be to. think that this is the epitome of. success. And like just what a mind [ __ ]. And it's like once again, like maybe you. you don't need to call her daddy. Maybe. you need like intensive intensive EMDR. therapy. >> But you [laughter] were you were amazing. on that episode and I remember sitting. on the black couch that you and Brooke.

end up doing Cancelled On. And I'm. sitting there and I'm like waiting for. you and I think like Amari was in the. room and a couple people are like. setting up the cameras and I'm like so. intimidated. I'm so nervous. I'm like. >> So funny. I like perceived it so. differently. >> any. >> so nervous. >> I was so nervous. >> And I knew I had like wronged you before. and like I I wanted you I wanted you to. like me. >> I wanted you to like me. Like I was a. fan. I watched your story times. I. watched you in Vegas. Like I watched you. growing up on my screen. So, I was. [ __ ] my pants. And then we do the. episode and I remember you told like the.

craziest sex stories and. >> No idea. >> And I remember you told also like really. really understandably like horrific [ __ ]. about your parents and what you were. going through lately and it was great. And we were like, this is going to get. so many views and it did and it did so. well, but then people were very divided. They were either like, Alex, you went. too hard at Tana. Like, okay, so she. missed the Call Her Daddy first episode, like let it go. Or people were like, yeah, Tana is a [ __ ] disaster, like. [ __ ] that [ __ ] [laughter] And it was. like, oh my god, wait, guys, we were.

kind of playing it up for the cameras. >> And also like. anytime anyone has ever brought that up. to me. Like, I think that a lot of the. things you were saying, in my opinion, were a public opinion and were public. questions. I was such a disaster in so. many ways and like God forbid a. journalist is doing some boots on the. ground trying to get to the bottom of. it. And also like yes, I missed that, but it was a pivotal moment like for you. and everything that had happened before. that I had missed that and we had never.

talked about it on camera. And like I I. stand on exactly why your approach was. that way, you know? >> Yeah. >> So crazy also the way the internet. because then I think that I went on for. a long time to be like, does Alex Cooper. even like me? And I like really lived. with this reservation. >> Because of the internet's commentary, I. know. >> And it's and it's like cuz I was again, I was so like you were valid in. everything that you were saying at that. time to where I was like, what a it. almost was a good thing to have you ask. me these questions and why I was. thinking this way and haze me a little. bit for the thing that I had done wrong.

And it's so funny how much the internet. can like do the thing that it does. It's. so wild. And then on Wild Vegas happens. and I'm like, oh, we're cool. Cuz it'd. been so long. >> and we'd both grown so much. So I think. like. what we're I guess trying to say is like. our origin story was very. >> complex. >> And it felt tumultuous maybe to the. internet, but I think you and I both. always had this thing where we were. like, I want to know you and I really. [ __ ] with you, but the only [ __ ] time. that we've ever really been able to hang. out is with cameras in our face. >> And like we're both on and that's such a.

thing like even on Wild Vegas, you're. dealing with like a million things and I. I get that. You know what I mean? And I. was so but I also think I've been saying. this a lot in my life right now that I. think the universe protected me from. fostering a lot of relationships until I. was sober and capable of fostering those. relationships and to be the like I'm so. happy that. >> Interesting. >> this is happening now versus any other. time. And obviously we were both chaotic. and we would have gotten along about the. glocks and all the different things. Of. course like I think we would have gotten. along at any point in time. You know.

what I mean? But I had a little catching. up to do and I'm happy that it's now I. guess. Yeah. >> happy too and I even just felt at that. lunch like I agree with you. I don't. think you and I would have been not only. capable but just like uninterested in. the depth of like just one lunch. together and we were both like almost. crying at the end. We're like, "Oh my. god, there's so much to discuss and so. many similarities and differences and. things to learn from each other." So. >> guess I'd always lived with this. wondering of like would we get along? Like would we like would we find things. commonalities? Would we like do we see. the world in like a similar way or like.

>> at lunch and we were like. >> I was like this is really cool to see I. was so like amazed to see such a human. human being across from me. You know. what I mean? And I'm sure you felt the. same way. You would never seen me in a. human being light and I was like it's. very cool to just She's like she's just. a girl. >> So now I [laughter] want to kind of go. through. Oh, it's so fun to reminisce. This is so. fun. Um I think when I look back at the. beginning of my career and you've been. doing this for so long I did a lot of.

things in the beginning days. understandably to gain attention. >> Of course. >> We have to put that in. >> I know. >> was so funny. I feel like Cole Sprouse. >> The way you just. >> the digital version of the the hot. boxing this room. >> puffing and you not you you no but you. going like this. Like like gracefully Queen Elizabeth. style. There's a photo of you over here. like full regal. That's what I'm trying. to give about my absolute problem. I. need a patch. I. really tried to like I I did a lot of.

things for attention is basically what. I'm saying. And I. I Well, we're getting there. Um and I. think a lot of it also was because like. that day and age of the internet with. YouTube and everything, like it was so. you had to kind of do that to break into. the industry. >> this feeling of scarcity, I think, and. this fear of like if I don't do this, someone else will. And I don't really. know a lot about your upbringing or. where you came from, but I I speaking. for myself, I guess, I lived in a lot of. fear. I fear was my only number one.

biggest motivator across my career at. all times. Like if I don't do this and I. don't say this crazy thing and I don't. do this, someone else is going to and. I'm going to be gone tomorrow and I. quite frankly I'm going to be back at. home with my parents. Like, you know. what I mean? I think I had to like live. that way. I felt like I had to live that. way for so long. And I think like. >> You're being rewarded for it, too. >> You are. I was going to say there's a. weird thing where it's like the drive of. fear, as [ __ ] up as it is, like is. probably why you have gotten as far as. you have as opposed to someone who's. been kind of like handed everything to.

them. They're like, "Oh, I don't need to. try that hard." Like, you have grinded. You have. You have gotten canceled. You've gotten. un-canceled. You've gone through. different phases. Like, you have. literally gotten through so many. different eras of your life in the. public eye. >> Yeah. >> And so I want to ask you going back a. little bit, like. what were some types of things when you. got to LA that you were doing just for. views that you can now look back and be. like, "Oh my god, like I was really. >> It was hard almost for me to. differentiate it. I think I became so.

engulfed in that person. And it I think. it snowballed as well. I mean, also it. all comes back to the story times, right? Like I'm using these salacious. titles and these crazy things and I'm. learning that people want to see this. and I'm like blurring those lines and. like I'm praying that an Uber driver. gives me a bad experience so that I can. pay my bills to get away from my parents. and hopefully get emancipated and like. it all started there and then it just. snowballs and I almost think that that. was that time, you know? My first friend.

in LA was FaZe Banks and like we did. foster a great friendship and stuff like. that but I mean same thing that he was. calling that the Clout House and they. were all doing that and the FaZe Clan. was doing that and then I moved on to. meeting the Paul brothers who like. definitely had a very like similar. mindset and stuff. I was dating Bella. Thorne and like everyone was obsessed. with that there there are just so many. it's a culmination of a million things. that it truly just became who I was. I. lost myself in LA over you know that the.

course of time I guess. >> I think that's such a good point like. how you just said like you were praying. for a bad Uber driver experience. I. think that any No like literally Tana I. think any single person who makes. content now I think at any degree you go. into it and you start making things and. it's so fun and then you have that one. day and you can't really pinpoint when. it was where you're like. but if I do this it will make for such a. good video. >> Yes. >> And then once you I remember I literally. was on Raya. I met a guy and I flew to.

Paris before even meeting him. I I was. like out of my mind. I would have never. done that but I had a vlog camera on a. YouTube channel at the time right before. Collab Crib and I was like I want to do. this I would have never gotten on the. plane if I didn't have a YouTube. channel. So like I was doing things for. the story that then motivates your life. in a way that's like you're kind of like. a prisoner to the content. >> Of course and just to this mindset that. like I have to build this lore and I. have to do these things and it's like. all of the things that I look back on, you know what I mean? It got all the way.

to the point of like a fake wedding. It. got all the way to the point and it just. like. I I can't really differentiate. So many. moments in between all of it were. genuine, you know what I mean? Like I. did love and care about so many of these. people and I still stuck with my ride or. dies from Vegas from day one. I didn't. fully become this like sociopath view. monster, but so much of like what I was. doing was pushing that boundary and that. envelope and like I even think about. just like Alex Warren and I would be. like, "Let's get a thousand hissing. cockroaches and do this thing." Like it.

just it was like. I don't know. [snorts] It just became. who I was and then I woke up one day and. was like, "Oh my god, I don't I don't. want to do that anymore." You said as. you get older and your frontal lobe. develops. It wasn't until like 25 or 26. where I was just like. "I want to be a person with so much more. depth and substance." And I realized the. weight of my platform and like And it's. so hard. >> to get off the like the roller coaster. cuz you also like I didn't start my. career in LA and like at the time in my. career there wasn't like New York City.

influencers. So it kind of like was we. were like siloed in New York and then. there was like Barstool boys, but like. it was kind of like you guys had so many. people to help you if you turned left or. right. There was so many people doing. Yes. And so everyone was doing it. So it. felt probably also probably normal. >> It really did and I talk about this a. lot as well now that especially it's. since short-form content has started to. happen. So many of these influencers now. as they blow up, you know, CAA and UTA. and all of these talent agencies are.

ready to help them. And like they've. seen all the mistakes of all of the. other creators so they know what not to. do. That now everyone has a PR person so. they know what not to do. And it was. none of that. It was boots-on-the-ground. journalism in the regard that like I I'm. not going to sit here and be like, "We. pioneered it." Like that's [ __ ]. dramatic, but like. it was figuring everything out for the. first time and it was convincing these. brands that influencers were just as. valuable as a Facebook ad. It was like. making the mistake and then having to. make the apology video and under. learning that culture and like.

>> The apology video. >> it was it what a I get a cigarette and. I'm like, "Back in my day.". >> [laughter]. >> Like it just. all of these things were being figured. out for the first time. >> Can we talk about the the because. controversy? I think that inevitably and. unfortunately. it is obvious that the more. controversial something is, the more. people are going to pay attention online. to it. >> And you learn that. And if you're not in. a good head space, you start to like. compartmentalize the hate and just think.

that any attention is good attention. And when you have a million people. around you kind of like feeding into. that notion, it can be such a scary. snowball. >> Is there anything that you look back on. in those days? Something that you're. like that was so just like controversial. at the time and I just knew it would do. well for views, but like I'm like what. the [ __ ] was I doing? >> It's so hard Alex to give you anecdotal. answers because it was everything. And. it almost wasn't One thing that I will. say is that so much of it was not Like.

I'm not going to give myself the credit. that I was this like mastermind scheming. so much. It was almost just the way I. was living. I think that I was just. I guess the difference is is that a lot. of other people possessed a lot of. discretion. And they knew like maybe. this like party last night where we all. did a bunch of drugs, I'm not going to. talk about it online tomorrow because I. have discretion and I care about my. reputation and I have self-worth and I. have parents, right? [laughter] Like all. of these things whereas I was like no.

one's doing this and I'm just going to. share it all and like You know what I. mean? Like almost like a who cares. mindset. >> were no boundaries for you. It was just. kind of like anything goes. >> At all. Exactly. I lived with an. anything goes. I lived without. discretion up until maybe 72 hours ago. That's [laughter] a joke. >> Okay, anything random comes to mind if. you could erase something from the. internet, what would it be of yourself? >> I've definitely had nights where I stay. up late and I think God how much better. would it be if even the paparazzi or. team Bryce on God was erased from the. internet, but at the same time.

>> [laughter]. >> it is. >> like the jaw swinging. Like you know, I. can look back. There's a paparazzi video. of me going, "I hate people. I love. them." Like, the paparazzi had asked me, I was leaving Catch. Honestly, it was. right around the same time as you and I. had gotten that dinner. And the. paparazzi had asked me, "How do you feel. about Addison Rae and Bryce Hall's. breakup?" And I say, "I hate people. I. love them." And then at the time I was. very close with Josie Canseco. And for. some reason, how [ __ ] up I was, I. thought that Jose Canseco, her father,

was my best friend. So, I'm talking. about. >> [laughter]. >> Take me out to the ballgame. I'm talking. about how Jose Canseco's my best friend. And I can look back at the the like. those moments and be like, that is. objectively hilarious. And like, I don't. want that erased. But then my jaw. continued to swing for a little too. long. You know, where it's like I. you know, but at the same time like. I I'm a firm believer in the butterfly. effect. All the way down to like the. shoes I'm wearing today and the.

sweatsuit you're wearing today. Like. that like that changed the entire course. of our day. I think that every little. thing got me to the person that I am. And for so long I was a person that I. was not proud of. For so long I was a. person that I absolutely hated. For so. long I was like such a [ __ ] mess that. like every single mistake or. embarrassing thing. taught me something. Whether it was. heavy criticism, whether it was like you. are so [ __ ] embarrassing, get it. together, whether it was like And I just. I I get scared when I think about like. what if I erase that one thing and I. continued to be that person? I would be.

so sad if I was still that person. >> That's a good point, too, Tana. Like, we. see on the internet the team Bryce on. God moment. And everyone's like, "This. is so funny. This is the biggest meme of. the year. Holy shit." But you are also. looking back being like, "Oh my God. Like, why were we team Bryce on God? Like, let's be team God on God.". >> [laughter]. >> Maybe find God. And it's funny cuz I. actually was sober in that video. Which. makes it so much worse. But I mean, Bender the night before, Bender right. after. I'm just saying like like.

>> I was like, "No, you were fully so. You're like, no, no, no, no, no." Just. like in that very moment. >> that but no, but I think it's more so. one of those things where I was just. lost. You know what I mean? Like it just. who I was and the things I wanted to. attend and the people I wanted to. surround myself with. >> and you're like, "Oh my god, I see. someone that's so lost and hurting." And. then the internet though is kind of. perpetuating like this is so funny, Tana. And so it's like, "Should she do. it again? Should she keep going?" And. it's like, "When do you eventually be. like I have to stop.". >> my identity so much in that way. Because.

at the time, I think even you're saying. so lost and hurting, I think I didn't. know that I was hurting. I think that I. like I. I now know I was hurting and I was. numbing all of these things that had. happened to me and just continuing to. like get number and number and abuse. substances more numbing all these things. that had happened to me. But in my head, I was like, "I am I'm a party girl. I'm. team Lindsay Lohan. Let's go." Like. which is like. And then people love that image and you. start the wine brand and you're throwing. the parties and you're gathering the. lord that then works so amazing for this.

podcast that you're doing and like all. of these things that you like convince. yourself that no one's going to love you. if like you stop all of these things. And my identity became so tied to it to. where I thought that not only that I. loved being that but that that's who I. had to be or no one would listen and. like all of those things. >> Tana, and all of those things. >> [laughter]. >> where we totally both tip over and start. crying. Wait. Let's talk about the criticism cuz. in a in a way. and correct me if I'm wrong, but like I.

think a lot of people I've talked to. especially in this industry like you. kind of start to dissociate in a way. where you look back and you're like, "I. don't really remember certain things.". cuz you're just like, "I'm going along. and I'm surviving and I don't know. what's happening." or you're just like. blacking it out and you're. compartmentalizing, right? But then people are criticizing you. >> And. >> Heavily. >> heavily. And I want. >> Rightfully so though. >> I want you to you like take me to your. head space. when you would get criticism online?

>> Mhm. >> Cuz a lot of people watching this like. will have never experienced it at the. level that you have where people are. like saying things about you. >> Mhm. >> How would you handle that? And how has. that evolved for you? >> Yeah, it's definitely evolved a lot but. I think that for a long time the big. things did stick. Like, you know what I. mean? Like. TanaCon for example. Like I spent an. entire week at my best friend's. apartment sobbing on the floor reading. everything knowing that the whole world. hated me and that I was a [ __ ]. failure and that I failed my fans and. like all I have goosebumps right now. I.

will never It's a part of me that will. never get over that failure because I. failed my fans so tangibly and directly. and stuff. However, I like. that criticism stuck with me and I knew. that I needed to ensure that all of my. business partners like even though they. were saying yes, if they were actually. capable of doing things that you. couldn't just trust people if they said. they were going to do something and I. didn't know that lesson before. And I. like learned that maybe I need more. people around me that will say no to me. which I think was a longer lesson. Took. me a little longer to learn. But like. the big things did really stick. You.

know what I mean? Even just like. more anecdotal things were when like I. had bailed on BFF's podcast, Dave. Portnoy came online and said, "Don't do. business with her. She's a [ __ ]. bozo." Like that one stuck with me where. I was like I don't want to be that girl. And then the substances were allowing me. to continue to like fail and whatever. but I internalized them and was doing my. best to grow. >> How did you eventually learn the. difference between like being canceled. >> Mhm. >> versus being held accountable?

>> Yes. I have always shared everything. So. it's not like I have this fake. personality online that people were. criticizing. They were criticizing me. and who I was to my core. So like when I. You know what I mean? When I would. receive those it was like, "Okay, maybe. maybe I should like. take some notes and refine." Right? Like. and I'm not saying to like internalize. everything that the internet says. because I think things can be ostracized. too far both ways, the good and the bad. And if you place too much value in. either of those things, you lose who you.

are and who your value is. And there is. discretion between that. And I think. that that's why it's so important to. ensure that like your inner circle when. you're is so amazing. I'm so I think I. would be dead without my best friends. who are my family, my chosen family. around me holding me accountable though, like not a bunch of yes men, but like. ensuring me that like there's a real. world. My new obsession these days is. touching the [ __ ] out of grass. I love. grass. It is the best thing ever.

>> You're a Hawaii girl. >> boyfriend helped me with that so much. like just seeing his outlook on the. world like just him understanding that. this is just this one bubble that I live. in and there's this whole big world out. there and like trees and scenery are. beautiful and connections with family. are awesome and deep conversations are. awesome and knowing knowing who you are. is awesome and like that is this is the. first era in my life where I my team and. I like we. my like head of content guy, he's also. one of my best friends and we've been.

friends for a long time and we finally. got in the chance to like work on my new. project together. And him and I have. really spearheaded the phrase towards. this entire era of intention versus. attention and it just being the very. first time that that's what matters and. that our intentions are so pure and that. like we know who the [ __ ] we are and. we're not doing this to like garner. attention because that's also the thing. too is like when you are towing that. line of garnering attention, you are. also making yourself so much more. susceptible to walking that tightrope of.

flying too close to the sun and the all. of the things, you know. >> get really [ __ ] dangerous. I I think. that you're um. known obviously for being so authentic. online. So I do want to hear a couple of. your takes today. >> Ooh. >> I want to get your opinion. >> [laughter]. >> I was doing my Udo her before and she. was like, "Are you okay? Like, are you. are you giving Jennifer Coolidge?". >> you doing? What is that new? >> There's definitely like some spectrum. that I'm on, right? Like, I love a vocal. stem. >> You're just like going. >> [laughter]. >> Okay, let's get your take. >> good or bad. Opinion on a few things,

okay? What is your take on the current. state of extravagant brand trips? Have. they lost the plot? >> Wow. Um. I mean. I think as long as people are doing. good. Where we're at in society right. now, just showing off opulence and that. being all that you are is so That was a. big lesson that I learned across this. time. I had a psychic actually tell me. that um I would go so heavily into.

philanthropy. And my The psychic told me. this at a time in my life where I was. like, "Absolutely not. I want to go to. Poppy tonight. What the [ __ ] are you. talking about? Maybe I'll do. philanthropy when I share a something. under my fingernail with someone else. That's as That's as philanthropic as. I'll ever get.". >> Fair enough. >> And. >> [laughter]. >> Under my fingernail. Okay, yep. >> Yes. Yep. >> And. And now as I get to this point in life, I'm like, I'm I realize how important it. is if you have something to give, how. much you need to give back and stuff. I.

think that now right now if someone was. like, "Do you want to go on this brand. trip with this crop top brand with these. girls and like take They're all going to. be taking a thousand tequila shots and. like that's the whole point." I'm saying. no. I think it's the first time in my. life where I'm saying no. For so long I. was so excited to like say yes to. everything because I mean, if anything. came across my desk, I was just stoked. something was coming across my desk, right? Like So, it's. >> Now you're able to kind of discern like, "Does this. is this for attention or is this. intentional?" Like, "Do I Is this. actually meaningful to me and makes. sense for me right now in my life?".

>> Yes, and do I morally feel like this is. a good or right thing to do? Do I feel. like this is helpful for the greater. good either of what I'm doing with my. platform or the bigger picture of the. world today that needs so much help. >> And sometimes it just takes like. literally growing up. >> Yes. >> Like if you're 22 and you're getting. invited on the brand trip, you're like, "Wha- what why would I not?". >> people think I look like? Let's take a. shot at Turks and Caicos. Like that was. me for so long. And now I'm just like, you know, >> need it. >> Call Her Daddy is brought to you by. Airbnb. Daddy gang, there is nothing.

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Mother's Day gifts at Sephora. >> How do you feel about the internet. switch-up on Hailey Bieber after. Coachella? I mean, I'm a like I'm the I. can't even get my words out. I'm the. biggest Belieber. until I die. Like she could run me over. Like I could be in the road and she, no. pun intended, on the road. I could be in. the road and she can run me over. I love. her to death. And I think even just that. the Hailey and Selena [ __ ] was so. disheartening to me. Because it's like.

God forbid they both they both want to. just run off into the sunset and live. their lives. Like it was so ostracized. that there's no other way and over a. man. And I love Justin Bieber, but. still, over a man that there's no other. possible ending to this story than these. two women having to burn each other's. houses down. It's. so sad to me. >> It is so sad and I loved Hailey's. response being or she said like, "Save. your apologies, the therapist is already. paid for." I was like, "Babe, honestly, good for you.".

>> God forbid you also like want to stay. with the person and heal and grow with. them. And like she did that. She stuck. by his side and rode with him maybe at. times where he wasn't the best, but like. that shows that you're a ride or die and. that you love this person and you want. to be a mom and you want to release some. [ __ ] peptide lip gloss. >> They're a bomb, like. >> Let the [ __ ] live. Like it just. >> It's so true. Everyone switches up so. fast. It's like it's so. >> It's whiplash nowadays. >> Yeah, but I I also respect Hailey so. much for kind of being like save it. Like I don't need whether you love me or.

hate me, I don't really care anymore. Like I've had to find peace because you. guys have bullied me for so [ __ ]. long. >> Yes, and people just like. Oh my god, like wanting to do that like. I know that you can write off. Like. there's so many people that are going to. be like she's famous, she's married to. Justin Bieber, she's fine. But like what. that what that does to your psyche, people like even her OG Met Gala where. people were like screaming at her on the. carpet awful things. Like what that does. to your psyche feeling like you can't. leave your house without even in like. little scandals of mine, I would feel. that way where you're like leaving the. house and you're at the coffee shop and.

the barista's looking at you and you're. like they hate me. They hate me. They. hope I die. Like they hate me so much. and they probably don't and don't know. and whatever. I can't imagine on that. level. >> when you're young. >> She is a very strong woman. >> Yeah, it and it's just. it would never happen to um and. >> It's such a good point. Um. Do you think people have lost their. sense of individualism because of social. media and the constant trend cycle? >> To an extent, yes, right? Like I ordered.

a jelly cat the other day and it's just. like what why did I order that jelly. cat, okay? Like and Buster's going to. chew it up in 3 hours. It doesn't like. there's definitely yes, but I also. really try to look at social media not. through a general lens of everyone and. everything is awful because it's very. easy to do that nowadays. It's and there. are still so many creators that are. bringing individualism and philanthropy. and good things and all of these things.

to the forefront of their pages and I. try to even like a Julia Fox is a great. example of someone who is just so. individually stance ten toes down on. like their opinions and all of those. things. Like there are there are the. Julia Fox's of the world who remind us. that we can just like have our own. opinions and be individual and I try to. just focus on that otherwise I'll like. >> You know, you'll go and take and it's. true. Like sometimes it is fun to. participate in trends but then it is. also like. if you're doing it every [ __ ] time. then it's maybe like slowly roll. Like. what is your actual own fashion sense? What is your own actual beliefs? Like.

are you just regurgitating what you're. scrolling every day? >> opinions as well. I think that I. struggle with that a lot. Like you know. what I mean? Cuz I always want to share. my honest opinion and sometimes it's not. you know. >> Let's talk about cancelled. >> Yes. >> So you had such a presence on the. internet, YouTube, everyone knew you for your story times. You like we just kind of talked about. earlier, you would evolved so intensely. in different categories and different. moments in marriages and relationships. and all that marriages. Um and then you.

launched this podcast and it felt. like kind of a pretty big shift in in. your career and your life at the time. Did it Did it feel that way? >> I don't think I was as aware of it at at. the time but when I look back now like. and I just want to say something that I. don't feel like I've said yet in this. kind of like time of my life in an. interview. If I had a [ __ ] time machine and I. could go back. I would do it all over again.

every time just the same. Like I. it was crazy and wild and it's funny. even now I'm like realizing that there. are moments that I don't even really. remember. There's a part of me that's. like I kind of just like. Brooke and I woke up one day and we had. one of the biggest podcasts in the world. and there were there wasn't a lot of. like you know, I didn't I don't even. know how it happened, but it's because. it was just so authentic. And. was so authentic to me at the time. And. what her and I had, like, I think it did.

save my career in so many ways. Had I. just kept drinking and trying to. renegade and like not. You know what I mean? Had this long-form. thing with this incredible dynamic with. this other person, I have no idea where. I would like be now, you know? >> And I think also, for anyone that lived. under a rock, like, you and Brooke, your. co-host at the time, like, you were. either weighing in on internet culture. um and drama specifically, or I think. more towards the end, like, you then. also started to kind of expose it a.

little bit. Like, you would bring. stories forward. >> Yeah, our personal lives. >> Yes, of your personal lives. >> And just the things that we were. experiencing because that that was so. much of what we were doing. Going out. and doing all of the like crazy things. And Cancelled also provided this crazy. life for us. Like, where we're looking. at each other at like the People's. Choice Awards and we're like watching. like Jennifer Aniston or whoever like. present and we're like, "How the hell. did this happen?" You know what I mean? >> When. because I relate in a lot of ways to.

like. early Call Her Daddy days felt a little. bit like what you're describing of there. almost wasn't. a moment to be like, "Wait, it's the. biggest show in the world. Oh my god, like, it's happening. Just keep pushing. your [ __ ] foot down on the gas and. just go go go.". >> Yes. That's how I felt, for sure. >> In the beginning, like, did you ever. start to have concern a little bit of. like, "Ooh, bringing drama and how many. views we're getting, like, are we.

crossing a line at all?" Like, where did. you start to have those conversations, if at all? >> I think that for a while we were just. like, you know what I mean? Talking [ __ ]. about our real lives and all of the. things that were happening. I will say. that something so beautiful about our. dynamic was that Brooke always had a. little bit more discretion than me? Even. in the craziest times where it's like, "Tana, don't [ __ ] say that." And that. was what made the on-camera dynamic so. great and like helped so much in real. life. And it was like this perfect. balance and stuff like that. I think. that for the first time that I. personally felt ever across Cancelled,

felt a repercussion on my mental health. of the things that I say, you know, cuz for so long even just. pre-Cancelled across all of Cancelled, I. was saying anything and just keeping. moving and it like it was negatively. affecting my mental health, but I was. numbing it out with drinking, all the. things that I personally was saying and. stuff like that. But the first time. where I was like, "Whoa, this may not be. like so good for me." was right after I. had come for Alissa Violet. I had talked. about my experience with Cody Ko because.

it like went. out into the world and I had said that. on stage like flippantly on tour never. thinking it would go out into the world. And I was going everywhere in public and. people had so much to say and I couldn't. open my phone at all without seeing good. or bad things like just whatever, you. know what I mean? And I was like, "Whoa." And then we did dial it back and. it was okay again later, you know what I. mean? But. yeah, I think even towards the end there. would be moments, especially Brooke. again was always better with the. discretion, where we'd be on tour and. she'd be like, "Actually, wait, I want. to stop telling this story on stage.".

Like we just growing up, just naturally. like growing up a little bit. >> That's what I was thinking about and. starting to care about other like. people's like You know what I mean? >> lives. >> Yes. And how it's going to affect them. cuz I was going to say there's such a. huge risk reward that comes with. oversharing on the internet, right? The. reward is the views and the people and. and the consumers being like, "More, more, give us more. Oh my god, this is. intoxicating. Oh my god, tea, drama. Oh. my god.". But then the risk is. behind the scenes you can be burning.

bridges and like. maybe [ __ ] with people's lives a. little bit. Not saying some of them. didn't deserve it, but just saying like. there's relationships that are getting a. little [ __ ] up in all of. >> I would couldn't walk into me personally. at least could not like I couldn't walk. into a room in Hollywood without either. a feeling like everyone was afraid of me. or B like it's so funny at that time. too. I was still so delusional because I. would walk into a room and then some. celebrity or some person would be like. and don't put this on your podcast and I. would be like why would they say that?

Like I would have why it just why does. everyone always say it like say that to. me and it's like what Tana? Next week. you're like so anyway so it's at this. Hollywood party. >> Yes like yes. >> And just oh my god but I can't stress. you enough also like cancelled saved my. life in so many ways because as much as. we're talking about all of the crazy. stuff that was said and the. repercussions of that at the same time. while all of that was happening we also. fostered this community of women that. were so incredible and showed up for us.

everywhere and cared about we had to say. and cared about every last intricacy of. our life and like. just every we couldn't go anywhere and. it makes you want to cry when I like. start to say it but it's like we could. and I said this on the last episode but. it will forever make me emotional that. we couldn't go anywhere for years. without some girl stopping us and saying. like the cancelled podcast saved my life. and changed my life and made me feel. like I'm maybe more of a wild girl or I. had a shitty relationship with my mom. and it transferred into my love life or. like all of these things you know like I. don't have I don't ever want to look at.

it I don't look at it through a bad lens. because you know. >> No you made a lot of people feel seen. >> And I think my life had just changed so. drastically like I really I'll never. forget the cancelled episode where I. came home from Hawaii Macaul was in my. living room. He didn't know like. anything about my life and he had just. flown out and he was down to take a. gamble and we'd had like Meghan Trainor. on and I remember I was watching like. Macaul meet Meghan Trainor and then we. shoot like another episode and I sit. down across from Brooke and I'm like I. just met the love of my life and I still.

was very chaotic as a person and just in. a very dark time and of drinking and. substance abuse and all of my traumas. culminating together to make me this. person that I hated myself. And you. know, just all of these different. things. But life started to change and I started. to want to go to Hawaii more and like. started caring less about like. feeling this need to come online and. like. you know, go on a rampage about someone. or something or like foster the lore in.

LA like at the Hollywood parties and all. the things. >> Yeah, like how have now you sitting. here, how has it changed the way that. you approach involving yourself in. internet drama or talking on other. people's situations or your own personal. situation? >> what I think it is now is obviously a. lot of discretion like we've been. talking about where like I'll go on a. rant and me and TikTok drafts are like. this, okay? Like I will film something, I will draft it, I will think about it. and a lot of times it won't see the. light of day. But even with brand safe, I've really been thinking about that.

because like it's an unrealistic. standard to say that I will never ever. ever ever ever speak on things happening. on the internet again, right? But like. if there's not a bigger lesson there. Like even right now I saw something. online where this girl is going. extremely viral for her 50-day bender. She's like she's a college girl and a. lot of people have a lot to say about. her like 50-day she's doing day one, day. two, day three of just being on this. bender and people are you know, starting. this whole conversation about it. And. I'm like, okay, that's an internet thing. I would talk about on brand safe because.

I think there's so much to be said about. bender culture. Just like how much it. alcohol is glamorized for like and party. girl and like all of those things is so. glamorized when it like it's in reality. that's like fostering alcoholism for. life that could have a lot of. repercussions and digital footprint for. like jobs that could have a lot of. repercussions. I think I think now I. really don't care to talk about pop. culture and drama stuff unless either A, I'm really passionate or B, there's a. bigger picture. And like I used to. almost like have to. I felt like I had to like garner.

something to say. I had to like come up. with something to say about something. >> And it's like why add more noise? >> Yeah, if there's not a bigger like maybe. there's a bigger conversation about how. if it was two men once again, you know, but like. yeah, I just don't feel the need to be. like comment commenting on every single. thing. >> That's such an interesting point too cuz. in talking about the double standard, like did you ever feel like because how. much you referenced people were so. literally pausing episodes of you and. Brooke and being like, "Oh my god, um at. this point you can tell that this one.

doesn't really laugh at that joke and so. they must be in a fight. This is crazy.". Or she gave her kind of like an. interesting weird look that they must be. in a fight. Did you guys or did you. personally, you can only speak for. yourself, like ever feel like you had to. start to like. perform in a way of like, "Oh, make sure. I'm smiling a lot." Or like make sure. I'm X Y Z to appease all the naysayers? >> I do feel like in the beginning of. cancelled, not only was I just like so. hammered and stuff that I was just like. and just crazy and just like I'd just.

come off of the do anything for views. and that's still I was. I was so crazy. Whereas by the end I you start to. especially in becoming sober, you start. to look at things through a lens of like. I know if I say this thing this way that. people are going to say things this way. and fostering such a polarizing comment. section and stuff like that. And I think. that I just. yeah, it did just make me sad where I. was just like. >> It does suck cuz you're like. >> And maybe that's also just growing older. as well. Like in that.

>> we were you know, by the end of it like. she's getting married and I'm like, you. know, I'm so happy with my co-host. spending so much more time in Hawaii and. I'm sober as all [ __ ] hell. So I'm. just seeing everything so clearly to. where like by the end of it, you know, like. yeah, you feel more types of ways about. the way the internet is going to pick. everything apart. You start to. overthink. I think that I. became an overthinker. I became an. anxious person. I like developed OCD a. little bit like for the first time in my. life in this sober journey of just like, you know?

>> I mean, this screw like the scrutiny. that you guys were getting, that would. make sense of how it could make you like. paranoid. >> Yes. >> Now that you guys don't work together. anymore and you can just be friends, how. has that dynamic. changed between you two? >> I think that it is. so so cool. And I know that that's just. like such a like silly flippant thing to. say, but I think there's a big part of. me as well that when I walk out of what. Cancelled was, and now I like will see. the old clips on my timeline and stuff,

I look at those two girls and I'm just. like. so deeply deeply proud of them for like. going through all of that and like even. just our own personal struggles, you. know what I mean? Like she wasn't an. alcoholic and like all of these just. different things. Like, our own personal. struggles, I'm just so proud of the. lives that we were able to create for. ourselves. And like, this is going to. sound so stupid, but like right now she. has these cameras in her backyard where.

they see all the like bunnies. Like, there's bunnies in her backyard. And. I'll just like see her post about like. her bunnies in her backyard. And like, I'm just like. I don't know how to explain it. It's so. light and stupid, but it's such this big. metaphor. Like, you're just like. chilling at home, your cortisol isn't on. 10, and you're excited about these. bunnies. And like, that's [ __ ]. awesome. >> Like, you're like this is what we. deserve at this point. >> Yes. Yes. >> stressed and have everyone reading into. it every single thing we're doing and. then it's just like it was too much. It.

got too much. >> Yes. I'm I'm just I'm genuinely so. grateful for the other [ __ ] side for. the both of us. Like, and but I also I. feel like when I say that, that doesn't. mean that like I didn't love that side, too. I think that it's funny as I've. been doing a lot of press across the. last couple weeks, I like have noticed. how many people are sitting me down and. trying to get me to say something. Trying to like get build this narrative.

and I'm just like and even just the way. that in doing written interviews, people. will still misconstrue the things that. you're saying and I'm just like. you're not going to get that from me. Like I even just notice myself right. now. I'm talking to you and I'm saying. we're on the other side and then I'm. immediately being like, but that doesn't. mean I didn't love that side. And it. almost does make me a little more. defensive because I'm like you're not. ever going to say that like I didn't. love doing Cancelled. >> You loved it and and period and end of. story. >> Yes, and then just like.

we got to grow up across it and I'm. excited to be still growing up and. touching the god damn grass. >> She loves the grass. From your now lived experience and I'm. not actually even just talking about you. know, you and Brooke, just your whole. career having friends in the industry. and different interpersonal dynamics. with women, what is your interpretation. now in this phase of your life of like. why society is so fixated on creating. competition between women?

>> I. to be honest with you, Alex, I don't know. I don't know if people are. projecting things that they have felt or. whatever or if there is just this. internalized misogyny that like we will. forever have to like work through or if. people just want that like want to see. that for entertainment purposes or what. it is and it's not even just competition. always. It's just simple things that. women do. Like you know what I mean? Even. the like business woman of it all. Like.

if you're loud on what you want or if. you want to like direct your team and. direct your employees, like no one would. even blink their eyes if like a man did. that and it like. I I want to forever be the voice for. that and I feel like I've always been. that way in my career even from. storytime, even at that time I myself. worth was so low I didn't for a long. time up until this era really look at. myself as a role model at all. I. couldn't. I didn't like myself enough or. believe in myself enough. But now when I. look back at my career, I think one of. the messages that I was always trying to.

say is that like society wants a woman. to shut the [ __ ] up so badly. Like the. end we have to band together as women. and double and triple and quadruple down. on the fact that like no, we're not. >> I know it's so it's you're so right, Tana. And I had shared that with you at. lunch. I was like, it it's I I feel like. I keep having the same conversation with. people. >> Mhm. >> Um. like you and Michelle Obama.

>> [laughter]. >> The dichotomy of this law. >> and like I was talking WITH MICHELLE. OBAMA. >> [laughter]. >> IT'S SO INCREDIBLE THOUGH. It's and I. love Michelle Obama. >> No, it's so good. That's my girl. >> It's literally she's she's god. She's. god. >> is. >> so good. But it's like I feel like I've. had this got Shonda Rhimes, like Kerry. Washington, Ellen Pompeo, like Jane. Goodall. Like I've had so many. conversations. with so many women.

who have come forward to be like, "Guys, we well, we all so we all know this now. >> Yes. >> And now what? And I feel like that's. what I'm trying to figure out in my own. journey. I shared that with you at lunch. of like, what is the next so iteration. of like I think we're all aware of the. double standard. I think we're all aware. of how we love to pit women against. women and how it's such an easy. narrative. >> Mhm. >> So why is nothing changing? I think. that's kind of the next. >> getting worse. It's almost getting so. much worse with the short-form content.

Like just every day. That's why I really. don't. I think people would be surprised to. know that I really am not opening and. scrolling Tik Tok. Like I post. >> I deleted the app. >> Yeah, like it just I don't and sometimes. I will like now and again, but it makes. me so sad when I open it up and it's. like what new woman are we hating today? And then I scroll and it's like you need. to buy this thing or your. like your self-worth is low. You need to. buy this thing to fill this unfillable. void, consumerism, the conspira- like.

the conspiring against everything. It's. like Jim Carrey's like probably not a. clone and Selena Gomez is also probably. not a clone and like also we'll never. know so why are we spending our time on. that when we could all band together and. talk about all the actual actual actual. actual problems in the world. Like like. oh my god. >> Let's talk about privacy though because. I feel like in this new era with you, there has been a clear shift like we're. talking about of getting involved less. in drama, not scrolling as much, not.

participating maybe as much and actually. going out, touching grass, sharing a. little bit less of your life in a way. that feels. invasive maybe. Um. >> Yeah. >> Having done it for so long and like. living for. views and and the game, how does does it. feel weird? >> It's I want to say it's just different. because I think that the first time I. ever found a form of therapy was sitting. down in front of a cracked iPhone 5 and. filming a YouTube video. And seeing.

seeing the comments and the the people. it was the first time I'd ever felt. seen. It was the first time I'd ever. felt heard. It was the first time. point-blank I didn't want to kill myself. when I found that through the. camaraderie with my viewers. And I. always say to my girls out there, like. our relationship isn't that parasocial. because I've shared it all. Obviously if. you're showing up to my front door, we. might have to have a talk, okay? But our. relationship isn't parasocial because. I've shared it all and like we have. these same issues whether it's familial. issues or sobriety issues or you know,

becoming a good person, not just being. born one. Like you know, I I and I think. I will always share that. And if. anything, I think that Brand Safe is the. most vulnerable I've ever been. Like. it's it's not that I'm just going full. private bought like consumer Brand Safe. mode. Like it's not that. If anything, I'm sharing more about my childhood and. more about these things that are going. in my book and more about how the. industry like [ __ ] me over. I think. it's just like. it's just different. I There is more. privacy and discretion in all of the. things that I'm sharing. And I'm trying.

to Again, it's intention versus. attention. And just like. you know, it's a great switch though. And even right now, as soon as I'm done. with Call Her Daddy, I'm getting on a. plane to Hawaii for like 3 weeks. And. I'm just going to go sit in my place. there and I'm going to shoot some solo. episodes on the grass. And I'm going to. like talk my [ __ ] and still giggle. But. it's just different. And it's I'm. excited about that, you know? Also, like. before I was doing so much in LA and. then I had so much to talk about about. what I was doing in LA. And now it's.

like. I'm more in such a reflective. recalibrated period where I'm not really. trying to go just personally garner so. much more lore. If anything, I'm looking. back on so much. And I'm looking back on. it kind of out of the end out of the. woods, you know? And that was what I. wanted this podcast to be was was to. feel like 2:00 a.m. conversations with. me. And from everywhere, I think I will. forever be the most inspired at 2:00. a.m. That comes from being a Vegas girl. I'm a night time person. I'm the most. inspired then. And now I it can be 2:00. a.m. and I can be stoned in bed with.

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apply. Sobriety. Mhm. But how long have you. been sober? >> A little over a year and a half. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you. >> It's amazing. >> It's the best. >> That was so beautiful. Someone came up. to us while we were having lunch in the. industry and was just like, "Oh my god, you are such an inspiration. Like, I've. now gotten sober." And that moment, it. was so cool to watch that. >> Very different from all of the moments. you and I had had in the past. [laughter]. >> Very different from that. Catch dinner. Um. >> Yeah. >> I want to talk about how that like that.

decision. you had built such a party girl. image, and that was your brand. Like, was there any part of you that was like, "Do I just self-sacrifice in order to. like keep the brand going?". >> Yes. I was self-sacrificing. for a long time unknowingly, you know? And absolutely, I my identity was so. deeply intertwined with being that. version of myself. And I there were.

it was one of the biggest transformative. periods of my life for that reason. because I was like, "Oh my god, no one. is going to listen to me." I deeply. believe these ideologies that no one was. going to listen to me, no one was going. to care, I wasn't going to be. interesting, I wasn't going to be funny, I wasn't going to be social, I wasn't. going to be all of the things and I was. going to lose everything that I had. amassed had I like became sober and. boring. I thought sober equated to. boring, I thought sober equated to. unfunny, I thought sober equated to so. many things and I thought that being the. girl with the testimony was corny. I.

thought that it was like, "Oh my god, how embarrassing." and like just all. those things and then the reality of it. all was like being the girl with the. testimony and the girl who like loves. being sober is the coolest thing in the. world and like. it was very cool in the beginning to. start seeing that as well. Like I the. Brooke and I were doing a meet and greet. in um Amsterdam and this girl came up to. me. tears in her eyes, they were so blue, they were so piercing. She grabs my. hands and she looks at me and she says, "I want you to know my parents would not. have a daughter if it wasn't for you.".

And you got me sober and it was just. this like moment and we hugged each. other and it was just this moment where. I started to realize like now not only. have I like done this for myself and my. the fans are so [ __ ] amazing and. reassuring me that they do care about. anything that I have to say and that all. these ideologies weren't true but also. that I'm like helping this generation. believe that like you can be sober and. still dynamic and interesting and still. have fun. That's another huge thing. You. think like, "Oh, my friends are drinking. and I'm not going to like make new. friends and like I'm not going to have. any fun in these environments anymore.".

and like all these things and. I wish I had just done it sooner but I I. couldn't, poor thing. >> [laughter]. >> How did getting sober affect your. relationships? >> It made THEM SO MUCH BETTER. Jesus. Christ, like just I became a person I. was proud of. I don't think I was ever a. person that I was proud of. I don't. think I was a friend, a business woman, a girlfriend, or anything that I was. proud of. And like that did help so much. with Makoa. And also Amari, and all my.

friends where it's like, "Wow, I'm doing. things with them now that I'm going to. remember forever." And I'm like it's so. meaningful. I get to do all these. meaningful things, and I get to show up. for them, and I get to like just be this. person that I always wanted to be, but. my traumas were holding me back. Did. it. end any relationships for you? Cuz. you're in LA, and I'm sure partying was. a huge source of relationships for. certain dynamics. >> Yes. I almost felt like I was like an E! Network casting director, and I was.

recasting eras of my life. I was like, "You're out. You're in. You're out.". Like I because. you wake up. Like you wake up and you. start seeing your life, and it's no. longer in black and white. And for so. long, I think that I cared so much It's. not that I actively chose to care, but I. was choosing entertainment value over. morality. Like if you are if you're a. good time, and we're getting drunk. together, and whatever, like that was as. far as it went for me. And I don't think. that I have the capacity to I was trying.

to keep myself alive. Like you know what. I mean? Like so it's like I wasn't. caring a Like I couldn't. I didn't have. the bandwidth to like really care about. morals and all of these people around me. and all of these things. And I I Yeah, I. woke up and I feel I realized I outgrew. so. much, and that's okay. You know, and. it's no bad blood to any of those. people. It's like I hope you go Maybe. you need to also maybe get sober. And I. hope that you also. build a beautiful life for yourself, but.

it's not going to be from my living. room, you know? >> [laughter]. >> Your boyfriend, Makoa. Before meeting him, you had kind of. talked about like unhealthy behaviors. that you were obviously so used to in. relationships. What were some of those. that you would maybe tolerate in. previous romantic relationships. >> and shout out to my birth father, right? Yeah. Um. >> [laughter]. >> Like I I think that I didn't realize. this at the time, but my childhood made.

me believe that love was something you. had to earn and that love was. a roller coaster. That like you had in. these low moments you were just working. for the high ones again and toxic love. is so similar to me to addiction, to. drug addiction because you're like in. these lows and you're chasing the next. hit of the highs and like whatever and. I didn't believe that like someone. could love me unless I had to work for. it and earn it and it fostered such. toxic relationships and attachments and.

I think that I a lot of unrequited love. where I loved people who maybe didn't. love me back because I was just so happy. to have that like attention or that. thing I could fight for or whatever that. is and it really wasn't until I met. Makoha that I realized how my I my. ideals towards love were so toxic and. the first like year of our relationship. was also him patiently sitting beside me. while I unlearned a lot of things and. had to become a different partner that. I'd never been before. >> Dude, that's so real when you have.

someone who is not used to the toxic but. they're able to be. patient and a rock enough to like hold. the space for you to and he's like I'm. not going anywhere or like I'm not why. would I do that? Why are you thinking I. would do that? And you're like I don't. know. Oh my god. And you look back at. your past. We and and you don't have. you are not on speaking terms with. either of your parents. >> No. >> Okay. When did and and did that what. happened with that lawsuit? >> Well, that lawsuit was crazy. Yes, I.

mean I can. I've talked about it a. decent amount, but like. it was actually it was funny. It was. right around the time that you and I did. our. poly daddy episode. Um I woke up one day to my parents were. suing me for slander for what I had said. about them on my MTV show. And it was. just very funny to me because the MTV. show with to me was like rainbows and. butterflies in comparison to what my. actual childhood was like. I think I. detailed maybe negative 00000.1%. of what my childhood was actually like.

on that show. So for them to be suing me. for slander for that I'm like the gall, the wherewithal. Like you know, and then. they had a pro bono lawyer which meant. they had no money which meant that the. lawyer you know what I mean only got. paid if they won the case. So they're. they're fighting this huge case and it. was the most hands-down traumatizing. period of my life. It was. but it it did. reaffirm to me because I think that from. the moment I got my first AdSense check. that's all I was to them and that money.

And that's why my 18th birthday was the. greatest day of my life cuz from 15 to. 18 it was just tumultuous fighting for. what I had earned and they didn't. believe in me. They were narcissists to. the core so they didn't believe in me at. all and were telling me don't make this. YouTube channel like you're embarrassing. why are you doing this whatever and I'm. like I'm trying to get out. I believe in. me you know. And then the second I make. money it's like she's a star because. she's just like us and I'm like no it's. I'm trying to be everything that that's. but that's narcissism. They're sick you. know. And it did reaffirm to me that that was. like all they ever wanted was that money. and it was able to be a finite point for.

me cuz that was the moment that I. finally went no contact and where I was. like and it wasn't until we were no. contact I said I ended up settling in. that case though which sucked for me. really bad. And I was talking about this actually. with Amari yesterday in the car weirdly. because basically I was not mentally. strong enough at the time and it was. during COVID and I will always be very. thankful for that because it was all via. Zoom and I can imagine how much more the. trauma would have been had it been in. person and I had to face them. And I had. to call every person and teacher and.

everyone from my childhood to get them. to try to make cases for me and medical. subpoenas and all all these things and. then it would have gone public and I. think that I couldn't have handled that, and their lawyers were so awful. You. know what I mean? Like Like my dad was. in the Vietnam War, and they're sitting. there saying like, "You really think. that everyone's going to believe you who. just does stuff reviews over a war. veteran? Do you think that like And then. that's the like pain of being like, "What if no one ever believes me?" And. finally I came to the conclusion with my. lawyers that I was going to kill myself, whether intentionally or I just.

overdosed at that time, too. Like. whether. intentionally or unintentionally. You. know, I was this It wasn't sustainable. for me, sanity-wise, to continue to do. it. So, I had to write them a big fat. [ __ ] check. And it That hurts in so. many ways, too, because it was. everything that I had earned so hard. trying to to get away from them and like. all of those things. And you know, I. look back at those now sometimes with a. little bit of regret because me now. would fight it. Me now would fight it, but I wasn't me now, and I wasn't. capable. And like, you know, it is what.

it is, I guess. >> But I'm so sorry, though, Tana, cuz like. hearing that, it's like knowing where. you were at. in your life at that point, having. met you and recorded with you and and. everything that you were going through, like. the fact that you had to write the check. in order to walk away, it kills you. inside cuz it's almost accepting defeat, but it's not. It's like Just listen to. what you just said. It It allowed you to. keep your sanity and your life, and you.

had to get away from those [ __ ]. people. >> And I had to just stomach that like. that's what I was to you. You're never. going to take accountability. And I. think I spent so much of my life living. in this hope that they would wake up one. day and take accountability, that they. would wake up one day and be the parents. I wanted them to be, and it just wasn't. the truth. So, I think that everything. happened for a reason in that way to. protect me from it, and. it is funny even now in this era of. life. I just spoke to them for the last. and final time since then because my.

birth mother is about to die. And that. was a big thing. It was so interesting. across. doing Brand Safe, I'm doing all these. things that I'm so happy about, but I'm. going through one of the deepest. struggles of my life because no contact. is one thing, but death is so finite. And knowing that we just. never got that. We will and we never. will in this lifetime. And we. you know, but I I worked through that. I. got a lot of therapy through that. I'm. worked I'm still working through it. actively and it's it is one of those. things where. it's an unfillable void. And I spent so.

long trying to fill the void with. everything Los Angeles and everywhere. else had to offer, right? And eventually. you have to make friends with that void. and know that it's always a shadow in. the room. And you see that you see the. parents at the park with their kid and. it breaks your heart a little bit. Or. you know, you see different things like. that. Makoa was just teaching me how to. ride a bike and it ended up bringing up. all this trauma for me of like I never. got to learn this and it was this big. metaphor for my life that I was just. robbed from all the things because I was.

like in writing my book, I'm almost. noticing that like I had to be an adult. and then now I'm getting to be a child. It's almost this Benjamin Button effect. of like I had to like raise myself and. like figure it all out. And I was robbed. of a lot, but I made peace with it. I. really, you know, I'm I'm going to be a. great [ __ ] kick-ass mom. >> You are. >> I can't wait. >> You also have made so much of yourself. and from what it what I know from like. the friends that you keep in your. boyfriend and the people around you like.

there are so many people so proud of. you. >> That's very sweet. >> But I understand the feeling of wanting. that from your parents. Like that's like. the ultimate feeling when your parents. are proud, but also recognizing like if. they're not capable of seeing how. incredible you are and just seeing you. as dollar signs, then they can go [ __ ]. themselves. And I think. >> And thank God for Amari's family. I mean, I don't know where I would be. They took me in and they showed me. holidays can be a day where you aren't. screaming at the top of your lungs and. then you know, I always say that they.

have dedicated their lives to adopting. me and putting Band-Aids on the wounds. they didn't create. Effortlessly, effortlessly, effortlessly with all of. the they give all of their time and they. you know, I'm a steward. They they made. me understand what it's like to have a. mother and a father and siblings and. love and that family love is. unconditional and I'm just I'm going. home for Mother's Day right after this. and it's it's. I'm so grateful for this life. Like I. wouldn't I wouldn't change a damn thing. >> No, it's and it's it's so impressive. what you've built. It's also so. incredible. I think people love seeing.

you with Makoa because. you can just feel how. light you are in that relationship and I. think we obviously have seen a lot of. your relationships in the past and the. rapper phase and. >> [laughter]. >> Like baby, you were never marrying the. rapper. Baby, there is no plane. Like literally no. >> But how do you think Makoa and you and. like your life like what do you guys. talk about for your future cuz you just.

said like I'm going to be a great mom. one day. Like have you talked about. marriage? Have you talked about kids? Like. >> I mean even as I'm talking about all. these memories. Like even as I was. saying like as we were just talking. about, you know, not having my parents. there to like celebrate or be there for. me or anything. Like I I remember there. was this night on the Cancelled Tour we. where we had just done this show to. thousands and thousands of people and we. had ended one of the runs and it was our. last show and I got back to the hotel. room and everyone else is like. celebrating and I just got in bed and I. sobbed because I was like.

it's sad to me, you know, that like that. there are moments that like. I wish I had like you know, that they. could have been there and seen this and. were capable of that and he would just. hold me and like tell me everything is. going to be okay and like the way he's. extended his incredible huge awesome. perfect they're perfect. I love them so. much his family to me and made me feel. like he he'll always say that, you know. what I mean? You have family in my. family. Like they love you like their. own as well, you know? And like. just even when I had to call and talk to.

my parents for the last time kind of. recently, he sat there right beside me. and he was sobbing. He was sobbing as if. it was his own pain. I can't really like. talk about that one without starting to. cry because it's like you love me so. deeply and so intrinsically that you are. sobbing next to me because you feel the. pain for me. He is the best man I've. ever met and I love him so much. Like. I'm just I'm so excited for our future. and our life together. I really am. Like. and it's it's very cool just talking. about getting married and.

having babies and how much fun even. Buster, our like foster dog, ended up. being this crazy like [laughter]. like we've been parenting little Buster. and like talking about how how different. we are in our parenting styles and how. those will like come together, you know? And just like it's very cool. And it is. funny the second you're in a happy, healthy relationship, you're like in the. grocery store and the checkout person is. like, "When are you getting married?". Like no one can stop and like I think. that I just I want to do that all at a. point in my life where I can dedicate my.

life to it. I think some people can just. pop out kids and catch a vibe and. whatever and that's amazing. But I think. with everything I've been through, I'm. very I want to be so intentional. I want. to read every book on parenting. I want. to know everything because like I will. die trying to be the mother that I never. had, you know? And like I just when. we're ready, we're going to be so ready. >> Tana. >> I'm excited. >> I am so happy for you. I just like. seeing how you light up and I like with. Makoa and not even just in the.

relationship, but your self, like how. clear-headed you are about also like you. do deserve to be selfish in this new. phase of your life. Like you do deserve. to just enjoy it. Enjoy your boyfriend. Enjoy your life. Enjoy your new podcast, enjoy all the things. >> Peace. >> A whole lot of peace. >> Like just have peace, quiet, grass, trees, nature, Hawaii. Like you deserve. it because you've been through the. [ __ ] mud in a lot [laughter] of ways,

literally. And I think that you've done. I think you've done such an incredible. job. the way that you've handled yourself. And I I agree, it's like I know that. everything you have done on the internet. isn't perfect. I have not been perfect. either, but what you have made of what. you were given and what you have now. come to be. Like I think that's why also. people [ __ ] love you so much. It's. like we've seen every version and this. brand safe era, it couldn't be less. boring. Like we're I'm thrilled. I'm.

like, "What's she going to do?" Like. >> Thank you so much. >> It's really cool to see you in this era. >> so so so much for saying that because. that's the thing is I think I'll always. be unfiltered and all of these things. and I'm so excited to have so much fun. in this era, but it is just it is. different. Like even right now as we're. talking, I'm just thinking about all of. these different things. You know, I did. make all the mistakes. I think I had to. learn morality my own way and a lot. later. I definitely like did a lot of. crazy stuff, but like I that's why I'm. so thankful for all of the eras because.

this is the first time in my life where. I am going to sit down and I want to. help the girlies in every single way. You know, to just be like with whatever. cards you are dealt, that's what brand. safe means to me is that you can wake up. at any point and you can decide that you. want to be different and perceive. differently and just like. >> And you can do that as a woman cuz I. think people are so uncomfortable when a. woman evolves. It means like, "Oh, so. the other version of you was fake?" I. experienced that so much when it was. like. I didn't want to talk about sex forever. and then people are like, "Oh, so was. that or this?" And it's like, "Wait, but.

what if both can be true? What if the. party era of Tana was so who she was and. now she's ready to evolve and change?". And isn't that the goal of life? >> Yes, and it's such a societal pressure. towards women to feel like once you've. sat in one bucket that you must croak in. that same bucket and it's just it's not. a fact and it's not true and I'm so. excited to just like continue to hammer. that message in and yeah. >> Call Her Daddy is brought to you by. Häagen-Dazs. Daddy gang, I think we all.

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internal meetings. We're like this is. the first time in my life where like if. this [ __ ] gets seven views, I'm stoked. on the seven girlies who still care what. I have to say. And. like I said, I'm getting on a plane to. Hawaii and like it's just it's going to. be so. great to just sit there and like look at. what we've done. And I'm so grateful for. my team. I cannot stress that enough. So. much changed across these past six. months where I wanted girls and gays.

only. I wanted women. I wanted no man in. power. We have Kyle, he's our only. straight, and we love it for the girls, gays, and Kyle. But just I'm so proud of. these people. I look at all of them and. I'm like, I wouldn't be able to do this. without you and I'm so inspired by you. So I'm so grateful to be working with. like such good honest people that I. crafted from all different eras of my. life and like got to have them together. And I'm just like genuinely so deeply. grateful that there is a girl out there. somewhere who sees herself in me, whether that's the parents, whether. that's the sobriety, whether that's the.

thousand million eras and lives and lore. and crazy girl to maybe little less. crazy girl pipeline that like are. supporting me and want to listen. I'm. just it is overwhelming gratitude. I. think my team is like, "Tana, stop. thanking us." Like that at every damn. mic, I'm just so grateful for like what. this is and gets to be, you know? I. think that it's such a testament also to. just. how lovely it is to grow up. Like.

as women, we're like so scared to not be. in our early 20s and like be this like. youthful little thing. And I'm so happy. I'm not there anymore. >> god, you couldn't pay me a billion you. couldn't like there's nothing to get me. to go back to being any version. I think. that step one to accepting aging as a. woman is watching Sex and the City. because they are the perfect perfect. example that you can throw on a comfy. Manolo Blahnik and continue to thrive. with more wisdom as you get older. And.

it's so cool to like have you to use all. of the experience because that's what. your early 20s are for. Falling down and. getting up a thousand times, being an. absolute idiot [ __ ] and making a. million mistakes, and dating the. Gremlins, and being too drunk, and like. all those things. But like it's so cool. And it it's not always easy. I think 27. for me was a huge year of feeling. anxious and you know, transforming from. one version of myself into another. And. like it was the first time in my life. that I did feel so much insecurity and.

all of those things, you know? Like but. now that I'm here, it's like I I'm so. grateful. >> Like it's such a testament, I agree, to. just like everything I feel like we. talked about today was starting this on. two women going to lunch together and. being so. open in a way that again, I think we. couldn't have been in our early 20s with. each other. Like I think we said that a. million times at lunch being like, "Oh. my god. Like I I can't imagine.

us having this level of depth in. conversation together." And I think it. took time. And I think that's to anyone. watching cuz I know I have like very. young listeners and then I have older. listeners. Like we have Gen Z and. millennial here. It's like it is so fun. in your early 20s. But also if you're in. the trenches and you're feeling like. [ __ ] [ __ ] right now, just know. No guys, we are telling you it gets so. good. Like it gets so good. [laughter]. Like I'm not not to brag, but it gets so. much better. It really does. And so like. enjoy it, but don't be stressed. Don't. be stressed.

>> Yes. And just like the mistakes and all. of those things. Like I can't stress to. people enough in your early 20s, you. have to give yourself such an immense. amount of grace because like you were. like low-key just a child. Like you're. just figuring you're figuring [ __ ] out. I made every possible mistake. I was so. many versions of myself that I wasn't. proud of and I would beat myself up for. and everything. But like the grace is so. important because all of those lessons. were so tangible. And like now they are. all so applicable to the life that I'm. living and that I the life that I feel. at home in. And then.

>> But like why do like the 22-year-olds. like not have the like hair issues that. we had? Alex Cooper. >> I everything. We were we were really. figuring it all out. >> Silver purple hair I showed up to your. home. >> What? No. And I'm saying this to myself. I'm not I think that you look beautiful. But like put the purple shampoo down. And mine would always be like that the. extensions would go super purple and. then the other hair was like this weird. brown gray. >> the tracks in my head. It was so bad. We.

couldn't figure it out. But now all. these 22-year-olds they're like they. fully have hair. >> They all They all the 22-year-olds have. hair. What is the big Jack-Jack? Is that. his name? I was Jack-Jack for literally. years of my life like being bald is not. being. >> Patch Kid. It. >> And you had like a little dinghy and. then just tracks tracks tracks. I'm so. grateful that we figured out our tones. I really think this is your tone. >> Thank you. >> [laughter]. >> I knew I'd get it. >> I feel like we figured out we went a. little darker. But we. >> And I was fighting that like the plague. Like oh my god it's like I could have.

posted a TikTok with like a toe missing. and someone would have been like well. this would be easier if you were. brunette. And I was like I was fighting. it so hard and like they had a point. >> It looks. phenomenal. I love you. I am so happy we. did this Tana. >> happy we did this too and I just can't. thank you enough. Alex it like I said this in the. beginning of this episode but right now. as I'm doing so much of this press it. would have been so easy for you to sit. down and it would have gotten the clicks. and all of the things to try to flip or. spin some narrative or make something.

and like I'm just so grateful that like. you really wanted to sit down and just. have a conversation like woman to woman. about like the things we want to talk. about and treating me like a person and. not just a headline and that goes back. to our intention versus attention and. like I just I'm beyond grateful for this. conversation. >> What I did say to you and we can end on. this also. It's like. it is so hard to be a woman in this. industry and I am not complaining. We. are so beyond privileged. It's [ __ ].

insane. But it is [ __ ] hard to. sustain a career as a woman in this. industry. That is just a fact. >> think that we have the platform to. spread such an important message to all. of the women out there who are dealing. with all of the intricacies of just. being a woman. >> Completely and I also think it's like we. in positions of I don't power or. whatever considering like where you look. at it from. We both are saying like no. guys we've I have it is [ __ ] hard so. I can only imagine how many other women. are going through this at many different. levels. But I do think that something I.

really took from our lunch and this was. like it's so nice to. have a friend in this industry. >> But it is so nice to have someone that. you're like oh you're going to be around. for forever Tana. I [ __ ] know it. [laughter] And [ __ ] I'm planning on it. too so why not? >> cockroach energy. >> cockroach energy ride together and lift. each other up and be like. >> got you whatever you need. >> And I think that had we tried to form a. friendship in different eras, the. intentions would have been different. It. would have been like people love these. views and like at least from me and like. all of these things and like I would.

have been [ __ ] no showing [ __ ] and. late and drunk and hammered and all. the things. Yes, exactly. Like it's just. it is so beautiful to foster. a pure beautiful like new start for us. and I I I love this new start. >> I kind of love this too. >> Yeah. >> Okay, brand safe out now. Go binge her. It's going to be every. Saturday. >> Yes. Come hell or high water. >> [laughter]. >> She's not going away. >> be consistent. >> Tana I love you so much. Thank you for. coming on Call Her Daddy.

>> Thank you so so much for having me Alex. Cooper. >> So good. >> [music]. [music].