Phoebe Gates & Sophia Kianni: Rebounds, Roommates & Running a Business (Full Episode)

Daddy gang, welcome back to another. episode of Call Her Daddy. I am so. excited for you to watch this episode. We have Phoebe Gates and Sophia Keani on. this week's episode. They just launched. their podcast called The Burnouts with. Unwell, and they are our most recent. sign to Unwell. If you guys are going to. become fans of them today, I am just. excited for you to listen to their. chaotic stories. They're best friends, their business partners, and they are. officially unwell. The first time I ever. met them was on a random Zoom. We had a.

mutual friend put us together. They were. like, "You guys are in complete. different industries, but maybe you guys. will hit it off." And one thing led to. another. And we recognized, "Wait, you. guys are launching a sustainable fashion. company. You're young women in your 20s. living in New York. You're figuring life. out. Yeah, I want to listen to you guys. and hear what you have to say." And so, we launched their podcast. They also. just launched their company called FIA. and they really have become quickly two. of my favorite people. They're so funny. together. Their banter as business.

partners and best friends is everything. So, without further ado, I'm so excited. for you to get to know them. Let's get. into it. What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your. founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call. Her Daddy. Phoebe Gates and Sophia Keani. Welcome. to Caller Daddy. Thank you for having. us. Phoebe and Sophia have been up since. 2:00 a.m. 3:00 a.m. 5:00 a.m. Okay. Your.

company just launched today, FIA. How. are you guys feeling? I feel like we. just birthed the child that we've been. like creating for the last year. It. feels nuts. I'm like really excited. though. I'm kind of freaking out a. little bit. Launch day for anyone that. has a business, anyone first day of. school, like a birthday party. I don't. even know what the feeling is, but. there's just this excitement. And I want. to get into everything. But first, I do. though want people to get to know you. better today because this is kind of. like now your reintroduction to the. world through the lens of Caller Daddy.

and the daddy gang. So, we're going to. do it a little Call Her Daddy style. I. want to go back to the beginning for you. guys in terms of you two met at. Stamford. You're in college. You meet. Can you tell me your first impressions. of each other and how you actually met? Okay, so we met at a football game, right? And Sophia I was pretty. intimidated by because she worked for. the UN. Her Instagram basically looked. like this girl was a professional award. receiver. Okay, it's like Times, New. York Times, UN saving the world with her.

nonprofit. And so I obviously was super. jealous of her. I'm not going to lie. And I thought she was a little bit of a. freak because she'd put something on her. story that was like sober squad, love. college, like love being sober. And I. was like, well, she sounds like a whole. lot of fun. And so when I first met her, I was like, and she's hot, too. I hate. her so much. That was my first. impression of Sophia was honestly I feel. like a lot of like jealousy. I was like, "This girl is pretty cool." But it. really took, I want to say, a year for. us to to bond. And it was frankly an.

accident cuz there was another girl we. were supposed to room with. And she. ended up living with her boyfriend. So. we end up getting screwed and we have to. live with each other. And I'm like, "Oh. great, sober squad and me can't wait for. an awesome year of talking about. sustainability." I'm like throwing away. my plastic water bottles, my hide in the. sheen shirt I have. And I didn't even. know this. Get some You hit the Sheen. shirt. I did. I threw them all away. I. got recyclable shadows for you. Wow. Thank you. Thank you, Phoebe. Well, I. was like, "Okay, I am in my bag and I am.

here on a mission. I am going to. graduate from Stanford. I'm going to law. school. Like, I'm bossed up. This. irrelevant person does not matter." No. Okay. Then we go, we got dinner one. night cuz we find out we're going to be. rooming together. And we're talking and. she'd been dating her boyfriend for. about like 5 years. You dated for like. half a decade? Four years. Wo. It was. four years. Almost five years. Almost. half a decade. And we're at dinner and I. was like, "It's very clear to me your. parents are getting divorced." And she. was like, "How do you know that?" And I. was like, "Just your emotional state,

everything you're talking about." Cuz I. had gone through my parents had had a. very, very public divorce. And I really. couldn't tell many people about it, especially because like it was going on. for, you know, so long in our household. before it was announced. And so I really. felt like this built up pressure and I. could just see that in her. And that was. the moment then we end up, you know, sitting and talking for 4 hours. together. And I'm like, "Okay, honey, you need to dump your boyfriend though. because we had I had just gone through a. breakup and she was like, "Me and my. boyfriend, we're getting married. Like, I'm going to be a senator. It's going to. be incredible." A senator. Yes. Oh my.

god. So really, it was so crazy because. we become roommates. We don't really. know each other at all. We're like. randomly that one dinner. It was a. heartto-he heart and you were a little. mad at me cuz I said you needed to break. up with your boyfriend. I did and I was. delusional and I was like, "This [ __ ]. is trying to sabotage me." Like she. doesn't realize he's my husband. Whatever. She was in her bag. Of course. Why didn't you think he she needed to. break up with him? He was like, "I just. think if you were a senator, it'd be. hard for the kids." And I'm like, "What. kids?" And also, how is that how you're. going to react to this? Like that is so. negative. But I'm still delusionally.

believing he's my childhood sweetheart, whatever. We're gonna get married. And. then me and Phoebe are talking. She's. like, "You're gonna break up with him.". I'm like, she's literally trying to. sabotage me. Fast forward, we're. roommates. This was actually before. we're roommates. This is like lore. We're roommates. I've very recently. broken up with him. I'm basically like. sobbing, trying to keep it together. I'm. not in my bag at all. I'm I'm a mess. The bag has fallen off. And Phoebe's. like, "Are you okay? What's wrong?" And. I'm like, "We did break up." And she's. like, "I knew it." But then she actually. ends up being the most incredible person. on the planet. like the most supportive.

friend, gives me such good advice. And I. was like, "Wo, I love this girl." Like, we actually and I'm like fake tanning at. 2:00 a.m. I'm butt naked. She's talking. to me. We're talking for hours. And I'm. like, "This is my soul sister." We. really just got along instantly after I. stopped being like a robot and I broke. down my walls and I just opened up and I. I actually talked about what was going. on and we talked about like, yeah, the. divorces, the ex-boyfriends, like we. realized how much we had in common. It. was amazing. The fact that you guys kind.

of went from like enemies to lovers is. kind of iconic. It was a true arc. It. was a true arc. Wait, but I love though. how Phoebe you said, which I think is. like a very relatable thing for women is. like, okay, I was jealous and I thought. she had all this. How did you go from. feeling like competitive jealous to all. of a sudden being like, "Wait, I. actually can like mutually have a good. relationship with this person and not. feel like I have to compete cuz I feel. like especially being at such like a. highle school and you guys both wanting. to have such successful careers, like.

where do you think the competitiveness. kind of kind of died out a little bit?". I think honestly it's not about it. I. mean, for me there was I had to find. myself first cuz right I was so. insecure. I was going into Stanford. I. wanted to be premed because I knew my. sister was premed and I wanted to do. that better and figuring out you know. I'm still figuring myself out but having. confidence in myself and my own. decisions was a big thing and now in the. company each having our own lanes and. then I realized I was like well we're. both very competitive people what if. instead of like this being against each. other like it could be together and I.

think that's the thing is it's not like. that has gone away but it's we just. drive each other so hard we're both like. foot to the gas pedal and also seeing. that like frankly you know I was asleep. in my bed And I hear one night Sophia in. front of the mirror completely by. herself go this big tan is developing. wonderfully wakes me up so loud wakes me. up she's saying it over and over to. herself crazy person and I open my door. myself and I see her butt naked in front. of the mirror like this just by herself. no boys are over there and that was the.

like I think finding out and really. humanizing her for me was the biggest. thing was gaining confidence and then. humanizing her and then being like wait. what if we took this like competitive. energy and then brought it together to. actually like build something and now. we've birthed Fia. I am obsessed with. you being like the moment I knew is when. she was naked in front of the mirror. just really like relishing in her fake. tan. Can you tell me the story though, Sophia, of you made up in college that. you had an assistant? So, in college I.

discovered that I'm doing public. speaking and you're supposed to get paid. when you public speak and I need to pay. my Stanford tuition. So, I'm like, "Hey, like, can you give me $100 to do this. speech?" Everyone laughs at my face. They're like, "Absolutely not." So, I'm. like, "Okay, well, how can I get people. to pay me?" And one of my friends goes, "Well, you can have a fake assistant. Make it a man and make him negotiate. your deals for you." And I'm like, "That's so psychotic. You're a genius. I'm going to do that." That is so smart.

So, I create like Kobe Sophia. team@gmail.com or something. I have a. friend named Kobe. I'm so paranoid. I'm. like, I'm going to put you on the phone. If anyone ever asks, you're my. assistant, okay? He's like, you're. psychotic. But I'm like, it's going to. work. So Kobe, every time someone emails. me, I'm like looping in my assistant, Kobe, to take it from here. Kobe's a. hard ass. He's like, Sophia has spoken. at all these places. Her rates are this. and this. He starts out with like. $1,000. He's like, she's going to speak. for $1,000. I'm like [ __ ] my pants. I'm like, everyone's going to think I'm. a fraud. This is so much money. They're.

like done. Absolutely. Whatever Miss. Keani desires. I'm like, I am miss Keani. now. I am Miss Keani now. You writing as. Kobe being like $1,000 and pressing. send. I could see you like panicking. walking around. I was so paranoid. I. would change the way that Kobe did his. grammar to not sound like me. I would. capitalize weirdly. Then when I had to. loop myself back in, I would talk and. sign off my emails in a different way. I. I had a whole elaborate scheme going on. And then I was telling Phoebe, I.

eventually gotten way over my head. I. promoted Kobe to my chief of staff cuz I. was like 1,000, let's try 5,000. Like, let's keep upping the stakes. Holy [ __ ]. We actually had a guest on the burnouts. recently and she's like, I don't know if. you remember, but I actually talked to. Kobe when you were in college and I'm. literally like about to die of. embarrassment. I'm genuinely so. embarrassed. And she's like, "You looped. in Kobe and then you were like, Sophia. would love to do this, but you need to. cover her travel and accommodations and.

she also needs a speaking stipen." And. I'm like so embarrassed. I I'm actually. about to die. And she was like, "Honestly, at the time I was like, I. don't think a college student would have. an assistant, but I love this for her.". And honestly, this does make sense. Like. I will And she paid me. She literally. paid me, paid for my flights, whatever. because of Kobe. No, this is so genius. I think it's so genius. Also, the. biggest factor that I took from this. which I wouldn't have thought of is like. that you made it a man. I know because. when a man is like no this is like it's.

just the world we live in and it was so. smart of you to be like I'm going to. advocate for myself through a fake man. and look how much I can get out of this. [ __ ] man that's Kobe. That is genius. That's a good hack. It's a really good. hack. If anyone is listening, boom. Have. a male fake assistant. Oh my god. This. is genius. Do you guys have any other. like hacks that you can share with the. daddy gang in business that are like. little tricks unhinged? Because I told. Phoebe I was going to take this to the. grave with me cuz it's genuinely also a.

gate keep it cuz it's such a good hack. So when I got into Stanford I was like. oh my god I need to apply for. scholarships like I need to have. scholarships to pay for college. I'm. applying for these scholarships and they. all have this section where it's like. include links about yourself if there. are articles about you. And I'm like the. [ __ ] How the hell do you have an. article written about you? That's so. crazy. So, I'm like, okay, how do I get. a journalist to write an article about. me? And I, you know, I I use this thing. called Rocket Reach. You can find. anyone's email. Anyway, so I'm emailing.

all these journalists. Obviously, they're like, who is this psychotic. 19-year-old trying to pitch herself that. she's so embarrassing? I was so. embarrassing. So, I'm like, okay, this. isn't working. I need another way. I go. on Twitter and go look at these. journalists. By the grace of God, I see. this one journalist and she posts this. thing that's like #jouro request, looking for a source to speak about. climate change, something like that. And. I'm like, me. me me me me me me me me me me me me me. me me me me me me me me me. I slide into. her DMs, I email her, whatever. First. time I am ever in a story. And I'm like,

there must be more of this. I go to this. hashtag hashtagjournal request. It's. like hundreds of journalists every. single day. They are posting looking for. people to interview for things. And I'm. like, I am going to email every single. person who is doing this and I am going. to have. Kobe. Yeah, Kobe's emailing them. I'm. gonna email all of these people and I'm. going to have articles to link in my. scholarship application. And let me tell. you, my friends all were like, "Are you. famous or something? Do you have a PR. person? Like, how are you?" Every single.

week, a Phoebe's like professional award. receiver. Yeah. Because I engineered it. Like it was literally like every week I. am DMing these people. I'm emailing. these people, whatever, because I'm. like, I need links to put in these. scholarship applica applications. And. fast forward, I think the most important. thing to say is I ended up going on this. interview live on TV because of a. journal request, and they thought I was. a good fit. So, I go on, I talk about my. climate change background. I talk about. my climate change nonprofit, my UN work, whatever. And I swear to God, it was. like a miracle. These people emailed me.

and said, "We run this scholarship. organization. we have closed. applications for the season, but we. heard your story. We thought it was so. amazing. We would love to extend you an. invite to apply for a scholarship. And. I'm like, this cannot be real. And I. apply and I got the scholarship. And it. was all because of this [ __ ] journal. request hack. Sophia, I feel like that. is. so what people need to hear also today. of like sometimes you just have to put.

yourself out there even as like. embarrassing as it can feel. even if you. feel like you're faking it and you're. just like getting yourself in the door. because you are qualified and you do. deserve if if people are going to pay. you that amount of money even though you. felt awkward to ask for it or when you. went to get the scholarship even though. you had to bust through certain doors. and like do like random things to get. there. I feel like that is like a hack. of that's a great hack for people to be. like go for it in any way you can and. there is no [ __ ] shame you create.

your own luck like that's the reality. Can we talk about you guys then finally. deciding to work together? Because. you're obviously talking about like you. guys had your things. You were talking. premed. You're talking about all of. this. Like then you guys eventually come. to be like, I think we want to work. together. Can you talk about how you. decided like when did you guys come. together and like let's make this? So. I'm on my journal request wave because. I'm doing my stuff in women's. reproductive health. So I was focusing. on like access to birth control, access. to abortion, etc. after Roie Wade was. overturned. And so I'm all in this.

mindset of like what if we work together. on something, you know, joint activism. me because that's what we were both. interested in at the time. And so our. first idea together wasn't even going to. be a company. We wanted to create like a. smart Bluetooth tampon, low-key like an. aura ring for your [ __ ] We realized. very quickly there was no monetization. model behind it. We didn't know how the. hell we would do it. We honestly didn't. know what it would really do. But that. kind of kickstarted this like crazy, I. want to say almost manic like sense of. like let's just come up with an idea,

lock ourselves in our dorm room for a. week and like see what we can create. We. came up with, I'm going to be honest. with you, the dumbest ideas for the. first like month. There were rumors. spread all around campus that we had. fallen off the earth, that we had fallen. in love with each other. And so, but as. we keep building, the one thing we came. back to was like our own experience of, okay, we're roommates. We're always. arguing over clothes. And frankly, like. it's kind of [ __ ] that the shopping. environment hasn't developed in the last. 10 years. Like, how come I'm on a site. and I don't know if I should buy an item.

or not? Why isn't AI able to tell me, hey, this is a good deal or this is not. a good deal? Where's my little shopping. assistant? And so, we were like, what if. we could create a shopping assistant or. a shopping hack, be it your Kobe for. shopping? So, we were like, what if we. did something like with our names. together, FIA? And that's how the idea. was originally born. But it took a lot. of bad ideas. I'm not going to lie. Was. there any hesitation because you guys. are now best friends to be like, we're. actually going to get in business. together or no? Was that no hesitation? We did a day where we wrote down our.

strengths and weaknesses and that was. brutal. You to write about each other. We did our own and then we did each. other's. Yeah. Getting in business with. a friend is obviously like there is a. risk, but I think it's also there's an. upside to like it's kind of similar to. maybe how I feel kind of with Matt where. it's like you guys trust each other. We. don't know how you do it with Matt. We. talk about that all the time that we. could never do it with our boyfriends. ever in a million years. We're like this. is so much easier because I don't know. how you don't take it home. I would we I. would go crazy. I think we just have.

found this like weird balance where we. know how sacred both elements are and. it's like the minute we can tell one of. us is like burnt out we're like let's. stop talking about work but we also just. like it's our passion we love it like I. don't feel like it's work so and then. the minute it does feel like it's too. much then we're like okay stop but I. think it's beautiful that you guys have. found this like perfect rhythm well. perfect yeah you guys are still figuring. it out right like it's not it's perfect. I think the biggest thing that people. don't realized there was. So, one thing. I'll say is every time we do an.

interview, they always want like us to. hate each other. They're always asking. if it's especially if we interview. individually, they'll always ask me, "What do I hate about Sophia? What does. she hate about me?" It's so because they. really want like the beef between the. two women, I think, which I think is. really interesting because you see in. all narratives like when you have women. in business, they're they always want. there to be some sort of cat fight. And. I think the clarifi clarification is me. and Sophia fight all the time. I mean, we're co-founders and best friends, but. it's about like having something so we. can figure out at the end of the day. like, okay, we disagree on this, but.

like if you think that color blue is. better, like let's just go for it and if. it's wrong, we'll get rid of it. Like, and then we'll do, you know, my idea. next. And so that's like the biggest. thing I think we've learned is just. argue really fast. And we have something. where we limit arguments to what, five. minutes now. So, at the end of it, we're. like, "Okay, decision time." I'm so mad. I'm like, "Five minutes. Ding ding ding. ding ding. We're done. We're not talking. about like we need to decide what the. next step is. So even like you getting. it off the chest and then at the end of. the five minutes like okay what are the. action items? Okay if Phoebe's mad. Phoebe go for a walk. Phoebe go get.

latte. Phoebe go take a nap. Phoebe come. back or you know let's make a decision. Let's try this and then if it fails, okay, great. We'll try it for a week and. then do your idea. But I love what you. said Phoebe because it's so real where. Yes. people want whenever there's a duo. Yep. People want to be like how is it. not working? And the reality is if. anyone's like it's so perfect just like. a marriage just like a friendship and a. business relationship nothing is. perfect. And I think it's there should. be healthy arguments like and again it's. how you argue is the key factor. The.

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way. Can you talk about how you. ultimately decided to take the risk and. go for something that wasn't as. predictable and stable? 120%. The only. reason I was able to take that leap of. faith, move to New York City and work on. the company was because of Phoebe. I. think honestly throughout college it was. very much for me fake it until you make. it. Like I put on this confident aura. deeply still I was insecure and scared. and for the first time it was like. seeing this person who believed in us.

and honestly who believed in me that we. could do this together made me tell my. parents listen like I'm taking a leave. of absence. I'm leaving Stanford. I know. I worked so hard for this. Like, I know. this was my dream, but I need to do. this. Like, this is our calling. And and. it was honestly only because of Phoebe. because she said, "I know we can do it. I know this is an opportunity. You need. to believe in yourself cuz I believe in. us." And I was like, "You're so right. And I want to do this. I don't want to. be an environmental lawyer. I don't want. to work for the UN. I want to build this.

company with you for the next 5 or 10. years. Like, we can do it. You're. right." And it's just so surreal to. think, Yeah. We were bumbling and. fumbling in our dorm room building a. smart tampon. We had no idea what we. were doing. And now like we launched FIA. and we launched a product we are. genuinely so proud of that we poured. like our blood, sweat and tears into and. it was all because Phoebe was like it's. worth it. We can take the leap of faith. Stanford will always be there. It's. worth it. Can I ask because obviously. you guys sitting on this couch, you have. such different backgrounds and like you.

Sophia talking about wanting to get. scholarships and getting the. scholarships and trying to figure out. how to get in the door that way and then. Phoebe coming from a place of privilege. and you both kind of like having this. like beautiful opposite energy of where. you both came from. like how have you. guys like found an equal feeling to. merge your independent lives and your. backgrounds into one in a business? I. think it's about Phoebe really made me.

understand like you are a byproduct of. your own beliefs and if they're. self-limiting that's how your life is. going to pan out. like you can't have a. scarcity mindset and I think especially. when you come from a background where. you're being pushed to do something. really typical like climb the career. ladder get the pedigree you never think. about what if like what if you take that. risk and Phoebe being able to do that. for me has everything to do with just.

who she is as a person like that's just. how you're wired um Phoebe you coming. from a place of privilege your dad being. Bill Gates did you ever feel like it's. been difficult to make a name for. yourself and really like carve your own. path and not just be like Bill Gates. daughter. Yeah, I think 100%. But the. tough thing is it's like yeah that's. difficult but that comes with so much. privilege, right? Like I didn't have to. fight for a scholarship in college. Like. I didn't I knew my college was going to. be paid for. I had incredible. opportunities because of my parents. Like if I didn't have my parents as my.

rock like I wouldn't have been able to. have these incredible opportunities. So. yes, it came with the thing of like, oh. yeah, I am in my parents shadows and. like you know it is going to be tough to. make a name for myself. I had to learn. very early on who were true friends, who. weren't true friends, but honestly like. I think all in all like I have an. incredibly privileged life. And so I. think saying that is like oh it's it's a. hardship. It isn't really for me because. it's like I've been so blessed with what. I've been given by my parents and I'm. never going to pretend I haven't been. Obviously, we've all seen like the. nepotism conversation online, and I.

think that's like there's not a right. answer cuz if people are like, "What do. you want them to say?" And I do feel. that from you since the day I've met. you, like you're so hardworking, you're. so smart, and yes, you have this. privilege, but it's beautiful to see. what you're doing with it in a I guess. what I would want to ask because I know. you're not saying you're like feel bad. for me, but like how have you walked. into rooms and in moments? How do you. deal with it when you can feel someone's. maybe not not not taking you seriously. but being like gh it's like Bill's.

daughter like we'll just like take the. meeting or whatever like have you how. have you been like no I am an individual. and I am smart and I I do deserve to be. here like how do you push through those. feelings of imposttor syndrome but then. also knowing your worth. I think it's. really about what Sophia said, fake it. till you make it. I used to lean too. hard of, and this is something we've. discussed a lot, too hard on the side of. I would overshare consistently of like. where I'd messed up, there things had. gone wrong cuz I wanted people to feel. like I was a real human and not just. like, you know, a figure or like a. figment of my parents. And so I used to.

lean too hard on the oversharing side. And then I realized like fake it till. you make it. Like if I feel like I am my. own person stepping into that room. because frankly once you get inside a. room, it doesn't matter how you got. there. Once your foot is in that door, you're there. And I think that was like. the biggest learning. And then frankly, honestly, not even like something that I. did myself or either of us did, but. finding really strong female mentors. that were there because they liked us. was a huge thing for us. And so finding. those people who could say, "Yeah, you. think that's tough for you walking into. a room and everyone thinks you're just.

Bill Gates's daughter." Yeah. Okay, honey. Imagine walking into a room in. tech in 1965. Like, you think you have a. tough babe? Like, watch what I did. See. what see the empire I built. and. learning from those women has been so. critical of how do you like be true to. yourself and be your own person. I. completely agree. I love also what you. said about having women as mentors. I. feel like I mean that's literally how we. even got connected is like the more I. feel like it's very isolating as a woman. in business to connect with other women.

because there there is that like. scarcity mindset where you see online. people trying to tear women down if. they're succeeding and when you see a. man succeeding everyone's like that's so. hot and attractive and go him and when a. woman is succeeding it's like well she. must have done something bad to get who. did she [ __ ] who does she know or who. did it for her and she's like just the. face of it like there's they're always. trying to tear it down. I think when men. are assertive also in business people. are like wow this is so attractive and a.

great quality as where when a woman is. assertive in business she's considered a. [ __ ] How have you guys navigated being. women in business being business owners. and bosses and navigating all of it? I. think it's easy cuz we're [ __ ] Oh. [ __ ] We lay down the law. That's the. reality. We are hardcore [ __ ] I know. What if. we all just started saying like, "Yeah, I'm the biggest [ __ ] I'm such a. [ __ ] bitch." Like, "Yep, and what.

else?" Like, it is kind of like, "Yeah, just own it." I think the hardest thing. for us was learning originally how to. fire people because I feel like as a. woman, you are asked to be everything. When someone reaches out for you and. wants, you know, support or wants. advice, you feel like you need to. respond to that email or you're not. giving back, you know, you're not. helping out. there's this, you know, aspect where you feel like you need to. show up as a girlfriend, as a friend, and a founder. And so, I think for us, learning really early on to separate the. emotions, be like, I can't be everything. for someone. Like, I can't be someone's.

emotional support. I can't be their. friend necessarily if they're my. employee and I have to let them go. I. have to have a wall there of how I do. it. And I feel like we allow men to have. that wall, but we don't let women have. that. It's so [ __ ] true. And hearing. you say that, I'm just thinking about. like how many women are listening to. this episode right now and have tried to. go in and advocate for themselves in the. workplace, let's say. How many women. have walked in and asked for something, whether it's a raise or fair treatment. or whatever it be. And I know as a.

woman, cuz I've done it myself, we're. always apologizing like, "Sorry, like I. know you don't have that much time." And. it's like a man would never walk in and. feel anxious and feel like they have to. kind of like plate the energy and kind. of like also throw in a smile and also. throw in like a compliment. And we as. women, I feel like we have all these. little cushions that we surround the. hard truth information that we want to. deliver because as a woman, we need to. be graceful and we can't be a [ __ ] and. we want to come off as sweet and kind.

and not intimidating where a man is. like, I think I deserve the rave. this. is the things that I've done to deserve. it and let me know if I if you can give. me the raise or not. I think that's a. great piece of advice to women is maybe. we need to start really thinking to. ourselves. Emotion, yes, it's what we've. trained we've been trained to do since. we were born, but when it comes to. business, you are as deserving as the. person out there with a [ __ ] penis. And so, start moving forward and acting. like that and be like, you know what?

Let me try it. Cuz I've been doing this. recently and as scary as it is to wonder. like, "Oh my god, is someone going to. call me a bitch?" I've just been way. more direct. Running a business, you. have to be direct. Y is it scary? [ __ ]. yes. Because I'm also in a public. situation where someone could go and be. like, "Alex is a bitch." I'm like, "No, I just told you the job wasn't good. enough." If that makes me a [ __ ]. totally fine. But if it came out of. Matt's mouth, you would have if anything. been like, "Okay, damn. I want to go. work harder." So, I like this that. you're saying of like firing people or. being trying to be everything for. everyone. you can't. So maybe we just.

need to start saying [ __ ] it. And if the. if the word gets out that you're a. [ __ ] okay, you're doing just fine. What has been the hardest double. standard you guys feel like you've had. to overcome together? Children. Always. children. We'll have investors ask us. all the time, "Well, what happens when. you two go have babies?" And I remember. one time like crying about that. I. called my mom and she was like, "Get up. or get out the game, sis." I was like, "Damn." But I think just like the. assumption that you know in your career. if you're a woman and if an investor. puts in money and you're going to be.

around for 10 years that like you know. that you're going to have kids and then. you're going to [ __ ] off. Someone asked. that to us like literally an investor on. a call was like so what's going to. happen to your company when you have. kids? And we were like what's going to. happen to your venture firm when you. have kids? I was like Sophia calm it. down. Calm it down. I'm like what about. you? Huh? And he's like um like why. would that affect anything? And I was. like you answered your own question. It's so true and it's so crazy because. that's not a one-off. It's wild you say. that. I just had someone ask me the same.

thing. No way. We were talking about a. specific thing for business that we were. considering launching and someone asked. me about my timeline for kids and I was. like, "Oh my god." And it's like, imagine ever asking a man that. Listen, I get it that our bodies are going. through something that the man doesn't. have to go through. However, like it's. it's so. inappropriate and in my brain when I. have a kid, I'm like, Matt, we're 5050. if anything. You're 70 and I'm 30.

because I already have an extra [ __ ]. 100% that's on me anyways. So, step up, buddy. Like, that is so crazy. Wow. Do. you have any advice for women in the. workplace when they're dealing with this. like kids timeline, all of it? Like. obviously none of us have kids right. now, but like how do you deal with it? Keep a win sheet. Always. My biggest. hack is keep a win sheet of things that. you've done. I had someone come to me. recently and they they wanted something. They wanted to do a project or something.

and they came with a windsheet of here's. everything I've done for the business. Here's how I've affected the bottom. line. Here's the things I've created. And I was like, "Oh my god, you're so. right. You did do all those things. I. thought I did those." And I was like, "No, you did those things. Like, of. course, then you deserve this." And I. think having that because then you can't. be doubted. You can't be on your back. foot of oh what's going to happen when. you know you're a mother blah blah blah. If you can show up to your boss and say. this is my win sheet, this is what I've. created for the company and this is what. I deserve. I think that's the biggest. thing and having writing that down even. for yourself when you start to doubt.

yourself and going to look at that is a. huge thing. Such good advice cuz it's. also like don't worry about that. I'll. handle that. This is what I've done and. I'm going to continue to do that. And. just don't answer questions you don't. want to answer. Sophia's taught me this. so much like in when someone asks you. something and it's necessarily in a. professional setting, it's not a. conversation. It's a question and it's a. response. And your response doesn't need. to be an answer to that question. Especially like in any sort of media. setting. It's just a response. So you. can twist that and say whatever you want. and spin it into your thing. You just.

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is such an embarrassing story and Phoebe. knows exactly what I'm talking about. because I talk about it all the time cuz. I I just can't forget it cuz I'm so. embarrassed. But we went to So Michael. Rubin had this charity party for it was. like a poker charity party, right? We're. freaking out. This is so cool. All these. cool people are there. We're like, "Oh. my god, we look need to look amazing.". Whatever. So, my dumb ass wears like. these 5-in stiletto heels cuz I need to. look like a bombass [ __ ] And so, we go. to this poker night thing and I'm like. walking down the stairs being like, "Don't fall. Don't fall. Don't fall.".

Like, it's like, "So, here's the entire. room. There's probably what, 200 people. in here, and there's a staircase like. this. We think we're having our moment, you know? No one knows who we are. No. one has any idea each other. We're. walking down the. stairs." Like slow motion. I'm like, it's like Cinderella story. You're like, "I'm a Exactly. I [ __ ] tumble. Like, I'm not even joking. It was like a. movie. Like, two flights of stairs. It. was really bum bum bum. I like collapse. on the floor. I am literally, I swear to. God, gushing blood from my leg. I'm.

wearing a long dress. No one can see it. I'm gushing blood. I'm like, I have a. concussion. And then I look up. I'm. dizzy. I think it's Phoebe. And I'm. like, "Yo, bro, I need help." And then. literally, she goes, "Yo, bro, it is. Jay-Z.". No, it is [ __ ] Jay-Z being like, "Hey, are you okay?" I'm literally like, he goes, "That was really embarrassing.". I'm like, I literally can't speak. I'm. just. like, "Yeah." And he literally goes, "I.

know you're you're embarrassed, right? It's okay. Don't be. It's going to be. okay. Are you okay?" I'm like, "Yes, sir. Absolutely. I am so okay. Do not. worry at all. I am so good. Please, just. please leave. I'm going to start crying. Please, please, please, please, please. go away. Go You take his hand? Yes, of. course I take his hand. He's so He was. such a gentleman. He was so sweet. He. literally was like, "Hey, like, do you. need someone to come over here and I'm. like, no, no, I promise. I'm so okay. This is so embarrassing. Everyone's. looking at me. Please stop." You're. like, "No, I just need to leave." I was. like, "I need to leave." And then. anyway, he he like helps me up so sweet. And then leaves. And then Phoebe walks.

over and I'm like, I am so embarrassed. I need to leave. Like I'm literally gushing blood. Phoe's. like, "No, I want to go play poker.". Phoebe is a blackjack god. Do you want. to tell her what happened after this? Much more important actually part of the. story. Well, I'm kind of a loser. So. before like the party I had memorized. the stats of how you can win blackjack. like what are the most, you know, the. best statistical plays to win cuz it's. game of luck, right? And I was at. somehow I ended up at a table with Tom. Brady and I ended up beating him in.

blackjack which Sophia will not stop. talking about. I I talk about it every. day. You shouldn't stop talking about. it. That's actually so cool. I'm gushing. blood losing this game. I have no idea. how to play. I look over the the whole. crowd is around Phoebe the [ __ ]. mastermind beating Tom Brady at. Blackjack and everyone's like who is. that girl? I tell everyone I was an. influencer. I'm like it's called IMG and. I model for them. It's It was tough. DNA. and IMG, they had a lot of debate over.

me, but it's uh you know, it's been a. busy career. Meanwhile, you're like. counting cards. And he still like he. says it to you like I ran into him once. recently and he was like blackjack. I. was like that is so okay. I'm again like. Tom Brady knows who you are. This is so. insane. He doesn't know my name. He just. knows I was the girl with like the ink. written of the different stats in my. hands. Like he knows you're an a model. influencer. Wait. Okay. Speaking of. famous people, your boyfriend is the. grandson of Paul McCartney. Indeed. Are. you a Beatles person? Oh man, it's so.

bad. Like I'm so bad at music. I mean my. family like we're so nerdy so I knew. nothing about music. Like I knew about. tech stuff growing up, not music stuff. So I remember like early on he was like. so excited. Like he thought he was in. Risie. He took me to an Elton John. concert. And Elton John comes out in. like a bedazzled track. So I'm like is. Elton John. gay? His entire family starts dying. laughing. And now we've been dating like. almost two years. Every time I see them. like is El John gay? Oh my god. You're. like this girl went to Stanford. Is Elm. John gay? Are you kidding me? Oh, no.

Unfortunately, Arthur does not have any. musical talent. I've been trying to get. him to serenade me for a very long time, but it has not happened. Not okay that. you're like El and Job. They're like, "You dumb bitch." Okay, but you're. learning. Yes, I am learning. Okay, that's good for you. Um, okay. Have you. ever ghosted someone? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I. feel like you're so good at ghosting. people on the low. I just Yeah. Don't. respond. I I mean, I'm so bad at my. inbox. I have ADHD that I just randomly. ghost people. I'm not going to lie. What. is the most unhinged lie you've ever.

told to get out of plans? Sophia. Okay. Well, Phoebe would always make fun. of me in college because I was I had a. template email. Template lie email. I. had a template lie email cuz I was. trying to juggle so much in college with. all our work. Justify it and my own like. my climate and my UN stuff, whatever. I. had so much going on and I obviously. always needed a deadline extension. You're like and then this is the reason. I also had to do it and then this is the. reason I What did you do? So, I had a. folder of image. This was so crazy. So. psychic. I I So I had a folder of images.

that I had with like really random like. weird crazy people, right? No, with. famous people. With famous people, but. like like the Pope famous, not like. Dolly and the Pope and Malala were in. this folder. Yes. Malala Pope. And one. photo of her in the hospital from when. she had the stomach. I used that. hospital photo many times. And so I have. a folder of photos that I know I can. attach to an email that guarantees me a. get out of jail free card. When you tell. your professor, "I'm so sorry. I am. meeting the Pope this week. I really. need an extension." They are all like,

"Absolutely. You get the extension.". 100. It always worked. It Phoebe's like, "You're going to. hell." She has one email with Dolly. Lama, one with the Pope, one with some a. couple different climate guys, and then. one is the this horrific photo I took of. her in the hospital. When like a TA. would be like, "Why'd you miss class?". She'd be like, "So sorry, I'm very ill.". And you're [ __ ] attaching a hospital. photo. I did. I have a self I It was a. selfie of me going like this in my. hospital with like my hospital band. So.

they couldn't because I was like I'm. really sick right now and they're like. it's due tomorrow and I'm like I'm. literally in the hospital. Can you You. are so mean. You're horrible. You're. That is kind of so genius. Although the. [ __ ] hospital one I can't decide cuz. I get if you say you're in the hospital. most teachers are going to be like go. [ __ ] yourself. No you're not. Like where. are the receipts? But then a a selfie as. opposed to just like the paperwork is. [ __ ] nuts. I'm like I'm so sorry. I'm. delirious. This is the only thing I can. send you. This is literally like I'm in. the hospital. Like like you do you know.

what a horrible person you have to be to. tell someone they can't have an. extension if they have literally given. you a selfie in the hospital and I'm. green. I like it would just be so. awkward cuz sometimes we'd have like. overlapping TAs for different class and. they come up to me they're like oh so. bummed Sophia missed last week. And then. I would try to sus out the conversation. to see what email she had sent them cuz. I'm not sure if it's like a oh yeah like. it's so cool like she did meet the pope. last week. How great is that? Versus. like did she send the hospital selfie. email cuz that's like a little different. conversation I have to have. So I'd be. like as they're like talking I'm like.

yes it is very interesting that she. missed that. I would always tell Phoebe. you have to [ __ ] cover for me bro. I'm dead. I'm like literally dead at the. hospital. One time is like how. incredible. And they're like, "She's in. the hospital." You're like, "She was. green." I'm like, "Incredibly sad is. what it is." It really is. That girl, she works herself too hard. Dude, Sophia, you're [ __ ] savvy over there. You're coming up with some good ass. [ __ ] Um, okay. Let's talk relationship. Have you guys ever gone for the same.

guy? There was a guy, we'll say. Alejandro, we'll call him Spanish. Um, so both of us have these relationships. that end. He ended up being both of our. rebounds. importantly my rebound first I. just like to say but I like this guy is. gorgeous and the reality is there's like. three attractive guys at Stanford so. it's absolutely blown out of proportion. and Alejandro was like I was I mean I. was down bad this guy was like not. interested I think we made out like a. couple times and he not he was like.

pretty. narcissistic and it hella hella. narcissistic my favorite quote from him. is saying that he was the best person. that Sophia had ever met. And Dolly Lama. and Pope were number two and three tied. This guy's psycho. He's psycho. But I. warned Sophia after her breakup. I was. like, "Be very careful. Like, you're. going through a breakup. Like, we've. been there. I've been down bad for. Alejandro. We know there's no one else. on this campus. Avoid Alejandro at all. cost. He's a witch." And Sophia's like, "Please, like, I'm a bad [ __ ] Like,

I'm never going to fall for this trap. Like, you're so stupid." And I was like, "Okay, but like just so you know, like. if you and all Hunter get together, like. I'm not going to be upset. Like I. understand there's literally one. attractive guy on this campus and I can. point to him and but I'm just going to. warn you like it's not going to end. well. My relationship has ended and I'm. like I'm a guy is never going to look at. me again. I'm so devastated. I don't. know how to talk to boys. And Alejandro. comes up long kind of like highlighting. it but it's natural and he's like so so. sexy. And he comes up to me at a party.

and he's like talking to me. He's. flirting with me. I'm like oh my god. And this whole time I'm like, Phoebe, ew, I would never go for Alejandro. I. have no idea what you're talking about. You're psychotic. He comes over and woos. me. And then I go back and I'm like, Phoebe, Alejandro was flirting with me. I'm really flustered. I don't know what. to do. Phoebe's like, dude, go for it. I. get it, but just know like he on the low. sucks. And I'm like, but he was just so. charismatic and beautiful and handsome. and sweet and smart and oh my god, he's.

just the best. And it ended up in. flames. So now he texts us. So, we put. him to therapy because we did. The next. thing I know is I'm like, and if things. get messed with Alejandro, I don't want. to be included in this drama because. I've already had a pep talk with him. about me being down bad for him and like. it not working out between us. So, I. don't want to be involved if things go. south with you two. Next thing I know, I'm in a group chat with Sophia and. Alejandro, and she's texting him about. how he should go to therapy, which. apparently he did. How long did each of.

you last with Alejandro? Literally like. two weeks. It's your dream. Mine was. bad. like two months. No, not like on. and off for like two months, but now. it's a bit where he's like, "My company, my FIA, my girls, like how are my. ladies?" He's going to be so gassed that. he's included on this podcast. Like, you. don't understand the text we're about to. get. Wait, we're like best friends now. He has like a really hot girlfriend. We're really disappointing. Therapy. fixed him. Like he's he's a good. boyfriend. We were kind of hoping with. karma that she wouldn't be cute. We're. like, "Nah, there's no way." We looked. at the Instagram. It was very tough. And.

you guys are like the stepping stones. We were the stepping stones made him. into a better man and now a deserving. woman gets him. But you guys are happily. in your relationships. Can you explain. to me cuz I'm sure people are. fascinated. What is it like introducing. a guy to your dad? Call her daddy is. brought to you by Tinder. Have you ever. seen someone on Tinder that really. stands out to you? Like, "Oh my gosh, this person is such a catch." Now, with. Tinder's first impressions, you can send. a message to help stand out before you.

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to me it's so funny, but for guys I. think they get like really wigged out. And I'll never forget like early in high. school um before I had like a long-term. boyfriend. It was like one of my first. like dances, maybe my like sophomore or. junior year, and my mom had like signed. my dad up to drive me and the boy to the. dance together. First off, my dad. insisted on us listening to NPR the. entire 30-minute drive. He stopped for. fast food. Then he calls the guy. He's. like, "Be responsible tonight." Max. Demonhower. His name was was was Maxwell.

Danhower. Literally wanted to die. But. honestly, like I think like now it's. become easier for me because it's just. funny. Like when you introduce a guy to. your dad and it's like depending on how. he reacts, that's how you know if he's. going to be a good guy or not. Such a. good point. Wait, how are you and your. dad different and similar? Uh we are I'm. way more of a people person than he is. He would 100% say that. Like it used to. be a joke of like our family would be so. boring if I wasn't born. I'd force my. dad like at the dad daughter dances my.

mom would like have us go to. I'd force. my dad to go like talk to all the other. dads and daughters there. And he would. get like nervous and leave. And I was. like, "No, like if we're here, we're. going to socialize. Like we got to work. this room, Bill. Like these other these. other dad and daughters, they're. sweeping us up. Like we got to get out. here." Um, so I'd say we're very. different in that way. I'd say in terms. of similarness, we're both very. competitive. I mean, you do not want to. play a board game with the two of us. And that's actually worse than. introducing a guy to my dad is my dad's. always like, "Let's play pickle ball.

Let's play a board game together. Let's. do a puzzle together." And the second. you do that, like the guy's like trying. to put two pieces together. My dad's. like grabs the pieces out of his hands, like shoving them together. So, that is. actually when it's really nerve-wracking. to put a guy around my dad. Like pickle. ball with my dad. He like puts on his. glasses like boom. Have you experienced. this competitiveness? Oh my god, this is. so embarrassing. But the first time that. I met Bill, we were going to a concert. or something. And so it was like me and. Phoebe and a couple friends and we were. all staying at Phoe's house and so her.

dad was there, which I am an idiot and I. obviously people's parents are at their. houses. So I literally have face gems. all over my house. The sustainable face. gem company sent face gems to Sophia. I. was like, "Throw the burn those things.". She was like, "These are immaculate.". Yes. I'm like literally like in my. sparkly set with my face gems, blah blah. blah. I'm walking. I'm walking. I'm. walking. Boom. I run straight into Bill. Gates and he's like, "Wow, I I I like. your outfit. Who Who are you?" And I'm. like, "I'm Sophia. I'm I'm BB's uh.

co-founder, actually. We're in business. together." He's like, "Oh, it's really. nice to meet you, Sophia. I I I like. your outfit." I'm like, "So so nice to. meet you, Bill. So nice. I need to go. I. need to go." And then I'm literally. like, Phoebe, why would you not tell me. your dad is here? This is so weird and. embarrassing. Like, I don't want to meet. anyone's parents with [ __ ] glitter. all over my face. And she's like, "Did. you not think my parents were going to. be here?" Like, hello. Obviously, I I. just was dumb. But it was literally I I. honestly still every time I see your. dad, I'm like, "He probably thinks I'm.

so He honestly probably does not. remember at all. I guarantee." He's. like, "Okay, this crazy [ __ ] Anyways, bye. Don't care." That is You're like, "I wish I was in a suit and like really. presenting, but then honestly, like. look, it worked out. You guys are still. in business together." Yes. Um, okay. Let's talk about FIA. So, by the time. this comes out, you'll have been one. week launched. One, just tell me how. much are you twitching to look at your. phones right now? Very much. I'm like, I. need to text Fifth Gra. You guys. literally just launched. Like, how are. you feeling? Honestly, it's been so. exciting. Sophia is currently on the top.

100 shopping charts. We were basically. crying and then we were like, "Wait, wait. Our makeup needs to look good for. Caller Daddy." Um, because we were so. excited. But honestly, it's just been. such a long time in the making. When we. were in college, we probably had no idea. that what we would end up launching is. now FIA is an app and a shopping tool. where basically as you're shopping in. one click, it will find you the best. price on fashion. So, it's like say. you're looking at like a $1,000 Gucci. bag. FIA pops up and then you ask it, should I buy it? And it's like, girl, no, the price is high. Like, you can buy.

this for $250 on the Real Real or on. like eBay, whatever. And then you can. save like 75% off. And so it was. honestly like the tool that we wished we. had in college cuz what me and Phoebe. really bonded over is we loved. secondhand shopping but it's just so. hard. There's so many sites like you. never know if like one reseller scamming. you or not. And so we built this like. really easy tool so that anyone while. they're shopping can get this like. instant price track kind of like Google. Flights for fashion. And I honestly. think we were really nervous this.

morning but just seeing girls like DM us. being like wait this is so smart. Like. this is so helpful. like now I can save. time and money and like I'm so glad that. you guys built this and thought about. us. So someone listening today, walk me. quickly through what do they do? You go. to the app store, you download FIA, you. basically click a button that says take. me to Safari. You go to Safari, you. click and then you turn on the. extension. toggle it on and then there's.

two popups that show up and then you. need to say I want to allow FIA on every. shopping website. Every website is the. key. Not for one day, not for just this. website. Every website that's where. everyone falls off and then you're done. It's honestly like one, two, three app. toggle permissions. You're done. I'm so. excited for you guys. I'm excited for. FIA. I'm excited for the burnouts. I. think everything you guys are doing is. so exciting and it's so nice to meet.

people and get to know people that are. like so smart in such a different field. than me. I think it's like very. stimulating to listen to you guys and. talk to you guys because I think what. we've probably all recognized is there's. so much throughine between all of these. different industries and when you think. that you can't relate, you're like, "Oh, there's all the same themes of being. stressed, staying up late at night.". Like everyone listening is going to take. something from this. And it's inspiring. to hear you guys talk about the story. I. love you guys. This was so fun. I feel. like we got like a good amount of.

chaotic fun and also like really good. advice. And honestly, like the hacks the. hacks that you brought request. No, it's. crazy. # journal request. Everyone go be. using We're going to be eating that up. before this goes live next week cuz then. the hack is going to be dead. No. And we. also need we all need our own Kobe. Okay. Um, no. I love you guys. Thank you. so much for coming on Caller Daddy. This. was a dream. You guys are amazing. Congrats. Thank you so much, Alex. Download FIA on the app store now. [Music].