PENIS PALS (Full Interview with Paige DeSorbo)

I have so many things that we're going. to talk about today. First, we have to. explain like. Paige and I basically were FaceTiming. yesterday before we had this interview. I like to do that with my guest because. I just want to like be on a closer level. before we get on here and talk about. like deep deep [ __ ]. Yeah. And so. love cuz I was actually really nervous. No, yeah, that's Okay, that And I. remember Hannah saying the same thing. and I'm like I'm not trying to ruin your. life. I actually want to have like a fun. conversation. I'm not trying to exploit. you. Um and also maybe it's like a.

backwards thing that I want you to feel. more comfortable with me and then you'll. exploit yourself, but like who knows? Okay, so anyways. You're smart. You're smart. Right, right? So Paige and I are talking. and first and foremost just to like lay. it out for you guys listening, we don't. technically know each other. Mhm. We've never met in person. Mhm. But we kind of know each other through. through two avenues. One is through. Hannah. Mhm. And then the other is through your. ex-boyfriend. Yes, which is such a crazy story.

I want us to both tell it from our POV. because I didn't know Okay, so Daddy, I. didn't know if Paige knew this. And so I. was like I was on FaceTime with her and. I'm like, "Okay, like listen, like I. just want to like ask if we can talk. about this on the podcast. Um I know. sort of know your ex-boyfriend." And I. didn't know if she knew and all of a. sudden I felt the need to clarify like I. haven't [ __ ] him. I promise I haven't. [ __ ] him. Like [ __ ] I know how that. sounds so bad. So. this is my part of the story, okay? And.

then you're going to tell yours. Okay. So all the way back to when I was living. in like the infamous we call it like the. 301. That was where I was like living. with rats, poor as [ __ ] had no money, living with two roommates. Like I was. living in a closet. Every time I brought. a guy back, they were like, "Oh my god, this is the cutest closet. Where's your. bedroom?" I'm like, "This is my bedroom. Go [ __ ] yourself." Like it was that type. But those are usually like the best, I. feel like. Okay, so. yeah. Then I It was before I started the show, I wanted to get on Raya. Everyone wants.

to get on Raya. And I remember putting. in my application, and the minute that I. got accepted, it was like all of us, the. three of us in the house were like, "Oh, we're now on Raya." Like all of us are. going to use it. Mhm. And you know how in New York, like I. almost wanted it more for a connection. to men in their friend group rather than. just like a dating You know what I mean? Like New York is so like you need to. find. Like you wanted a circle. You wanted a. circle of guy Yeah, I. Yeah. got it. And so then why not Raya where they're.

like rich and successful, like added. bonus, added bonus. So, I go on Raya, and one of the first guys I see is. soon-to-be your ex-boyfriend. And I. remember I kept seeing him, and then my. other roommate got on Raya. And I don't. remember who matched with him, but maybe. both of us. Yeah, I think both of you. of us. Okay. And he was one of those. guys that always had plans. Every time. we messaged him, he was like, "We're. going to be here with my friends." Blah. blah blah. Like perfect guy. Yep. But we never ended up meeting up with.

him. And I remember I'm pretty sure I. have his number somewhere in my phone, and we texted like once being like, um. like he was like, "You We're here. tonight. Do you want to come?" And we. were getting ready, and we chose. different plans, and it was just not. meant to be. Fast forward to me seeing. Hannah and stalking her life, and then. seeing you. And I remember seeing him on. either your Instagram or the show or. whatever, and being like, "Oh my god, did I [ __ ] up?". Oh my god. Like is he such a good. suitor? Cuz you know when like a hot. girl dates a dude that you never went.

for, all of a sudden his real estate. goes up. Right. I was like, "Fuck. Like did I. [ __ ] up?" And like he's got his like hot. car, and like all this [ __ ] and I'm. like, "Whoa. Like this girl looks like. she's living the life." And I was single. at the time. I was like, "Did I [ __ ]. up?". You're like, "That could have been me.". Right. Okay. So, my point of view on this story. is I was friends with him for a while, and I was like in that friend group. He. has an amazing friend group. We always. had plans. We were always doing things. And then all of the sudden I was like, I. think I like him. Like I think I want to.

date him. But we were such close friends. that like I knew everyone he was. sleeping with. Like I knew what dates he. was going out on. So I had to pretend. like that didn't bother me. And I will. never forget the day that he was like, guess who I matched with on Raya. And I. was like, who? And he goes, Alex Cooper. And I was like, [ __ ] I called I called. my mom and I go, I can't tell him now. that I like him because it's going to. look like I just don't want him to go.

out on a date with this like super hot. blonde. Because I. because I always was like deep down your. type is blondes. Like I am I'm not your. type. And he's like, no, no, no, like I. don't really have a type. So I remember. when that happened. Then he matched with. your friend and I was like, [ __ ] Like. she kind of looks like me. She's a lot. more successful. Like there's no way. he's going to pick me over these two. girls. And then for whatever happened like you. guys never met up or it just like was.

never meant to be. And then we started. dating. And I was like, that was a close one. It was a close one. So thank god we. always went on different plans. Wait, that is so crazy. The fact that you. called your mom. I know. I was like, mom. And she was. like, who are they? Like let me see a. picture. And she was like, oh, yeah. They're [ __ ] They are pretty. Dude, it's so crazy because we were. talking about this like. New York is so small. So small. It's actually terrifying. and it's so small. And so having like I.

saw him like 19 million times on Raya. And he was like the Raya man to me at. that point. Yeah. He does have a good Raya profile. I will. give him that. It's very It's a good It's a suitor. A. full suitor. Like you're ready to. infiltrate. So you didn't meet him on Raya? I didn't meet him on Raya. I met him. Oh my god, probably in like 2015. I had. just gotten single and I went to a. Halloween party at his apartment and I. walked into the apartment and I was with.

a group of my friends and we didn't even. see the guys that were in there yet cuz. we only knew one guy there and I walked. in and I said dibs on whoever owns this. apartment. And my friends were like, you can't call. dibs. And I was like, I just did. I just did cuz whoever's apartment this. is, I want this. Yeah, I was like, this is my life now. So, okay, so tell me first like where. are you from, where you went to college, how old you are. Okay, so I'm from upstate New York from. Albany. I went to college in Albany this. really small school called Saint Rose. I.

lived at home for college. So, I didn't. have like the typical like crazy. college. I was in a sorority type thing. and I'm such a relationship girl that I. had a boyfriend all through college. So, I'm 28. I moved to New York like the. month after I graduated college. I was. like 22 and I just I went off. Like I. went crazy cuz it was the first time I'd. like lived on my own. I lived with two. girlfriends. for the first year and then I moved out.

when our lease was up, lived by myself. and I've lived in New York now for. almost 6 years. Wait, the fact that you didn't have a. conventional college experience makes so. much sense that then you get to New York. City and that's almost like you're. treating it like your college. experience. Absolutely. I went out every single. night. Like Monday nights, like industry. night was my night. I was like, if I am. not at Catch at Monday night at 10:00.

p.m., like what am I doing? What am I. actually doing? What Did you have a job at the time? No, I had no job. My parents were like. My parents were financing everything for. me. They were like, "We're giving you 6. months, and if you can't figure it out. in 6 months, you have to come home." So, like month five, I was like, "Fuck. Like, I need to figure this out." I. ended up getting a job. I interned for a. little, and then I ended up getting a. job at ABC News as an assistant. And I. was like, "Okay, great. Now I can like.

pay my own rent. Like, I'll be fine.". I remember I had a sales job at a. magazine, and I was making no money. I. could barely afford rent, and I couldn't. pay like from a paycheck that I got at. my job I that wouldn't even equate one. paycheck of like rent. And so, I would. have to call my grandmother and my dad. and like schmooze with them and be like, "Hey Dad, like what's up?" And he's. like, "Alex, I'll put like $500 in your. bank account." And I'm like, "I love. you.". I got my first paycheck in New York, and.

I called my mom, and I go, "Mom, I think. I have to call HR. Like, they took a ton. of money out. Like, what's going on?". She goes, "Hi, that's called taxes." And. I was like, "Is anyone talking about. this?" And she goes, "I don't know, only. the whole country. Like, get it. together." And I like didn't know my. social security number literally until. like last year that I memorized it. I had to save mine in my phone as like a. contact like social. And my dad's like, "That's the dumbest thing you can do.". I'm like, "How am I supposed to memorize. that? Yeah. They're like, my mom's like, "Someone's going to get your phone.

You're going to get I'm like, "It's. okay.". There's no money to steal from me. anyway. Yeah. Like, no one wants my identity. right now. It's $4. past year, I was doing my taxes on. TurboTax. by myself. I'm a walking out of. TurboTax. I always say like my biggest fear is. going to jail for tax evasion just. because I'm dumb. Like, not because I'm. trying to get one over on anyone. Paige, it would literally be for like a. couple hundred dollars. Like, no one. gives A [ __ ] I GOT so nervous too. I'm. like, "Oh my god, I think I forgot like.

this one check I got from like an. influencer company back in the day when. I did like I would like a Bang Energy. ad." No, I never did that. And people. are like, "Stats a hundred dollars. Like, no one's coming after you." I'm. like, "Thank you. Okay.". Yeah. They get scary. No, glad we went over our taxes. Yeah, me too. Is everyone happy that we went over. that? Dude, I will never forget. This is. the [ __ ] where you're when you're like. poor in New York, I had. I remember it was my. Oh, Paige, where'd you go? I'm here. Paige's camera just flipped upside down. Okay, when I was in um New York and it.

was really desperado times, like ramen. noodles, I was on unemployment checks, like [ __ ] was dark. I remember I started. going out with this one promoter dude. all the time cuz I was like raging my. face off and I like I was just trying to. like live my best life, but it was like. so grimy. And he talked about the model. apartments. Have you ever heard of them. in New York? I've heard of them. I've never been to. one, though. I have never been to one, but I've seen. pictures. And so, Daddy Gang, if you I.

think it's kind of interesting. Like, so. we would be going out and he would. always. one knows that this is like a thing in. New York. Right. Right. Every time you go out, there's like the. hottest girls, like so [ __ ] skinny, just like standing there looking like. they haven't eaten in 10 days. They also. look like they're miserable. Miserable. Miserable. And so, they're standing. there and I remember as I got closer to. this promoter, who honestly was the. weirdest man I've ever met in my life, he he offered me and my my old roommate.

to come into the model home. And the. saddest thing is how poor we were at. that time, we kind of questioned it. We. were like, "Hold on, you don't have to. pay rent? You don't have to pay rent?". But then he was like, "Yeah, but you. have to come out and party five nights a. week.". Every single night, yeah. And it was like, "Oh, wait. And she. It's actually really sad. Right? Like, it's almost like a form of. Like, they're like. Like, having a pimp. Yes. Like, it's like, "Wait, I don't want to. be forced to go out anywhere I don't.

want to be. like I'm sure in the beginning that's so. fun. But after like two weeks I'd be. like, "Bro.". Bro. I got to lay in my bed. And I remember I went to like Vandal one. night for drinks and like dinner pre. like you know when they [ __ ] buy you. all the drinks. Oh, RIP Vandal. over? I think so. really? Did they close? so. I feel like I drove by like a couple. weeks ago and there was like graffiti. like on it. for the. last It's probably for the last. Yeah, Up and Down, that's over. Wait, what? Yeah, so sad. I used to pop off at.

Up and Down was a place to be. A place. So, I'm at Vandal and there's all these. girls that look as if they are ready to. just end it all. And I'm getting. concerned almost. I'm like, One bad day away from just. They're gone. One day you never see them. again. And I'm like at Finally, I'm like. asking cuz now I've gone out two nights. in a row and I'm like, "Are you okay?". to this one girl and she was like, "This. is my fifth night out and I'm just like. so exhausted I don't want to be here.". And she said to me, "None of us drink.

We never drink anymore when we come out. We are miserable and like we hate our. lives." And I was like the one that's. like getting blasted cuz I'm like I'm. not here as a like model that's getting. paid to be here. And I just remember. like it was so sad to see those girls. like having to do that but like it is. like when you're when you don't have. money like I considered it but then. seeing the the party lifestyle I was. like, "No, I'm not into it." You got to. respect the hustle. Like no, I did I respect it though. I'm. like, "Look, if I couldn't figure it.

out." And thank god I have like a family. who like if something happened like they. would help me but I'd be like, "Fuck. yeah, why would I not do that?". many times where like people will DM me. for feet pictures and like I really. contemplated like. Dude, right? You like it's like also you need three. grand and I'm like, "Shut up.". But I Oh my god, who gives a [ __ ] If If. guys, anybody out there wants feet. pictures, slide in my [ __ ] DMs. I. just want to make sure that I'm not. getting like catfished and if they're. like, "I'm going to send pics," and then. they like don't send me money. Let's talk about your life in.

quarantine. You're single right now. I'm single right now. have you been single? I've been single for 6 months. September, October, November, December, January, Feb- yeah, 6 months. And how long did it take you to get back. into the dating game? Oh, Alex. Okay, fine. Took me, let me see, uh, 48 hours. So, not great, not great. My ex was. like, "I don't love this," and I was. like, "I got to go.". You're like, "I do love this. This is. great for me.". Yep, took me a cool 48 hours to be like,

"Wow, this is I missed this.". Tell me about your roster. Like, now. that you're back single, tell me about. your dating process, and like, are you. on dating apps? How many people are you. talking to? Give us the whole scoop. Okay, so I am on dating apps. I'm on. Hinge and Raya. Hinge is trash. Trash. humans, trash people. Everyone's trash. I just like to see like what people look. like, and I'm like, "No, no, no." So, I've never matched with anyone on Hinge. I've never like gone on a date with.

anyone on Hinge. I have in my like. career of dating, I've probably been on. Raya for like, I don't know, maybe like. 3 or 4 years now. I've only ever gone on. two dates, and they were actually pretty. good. Wow. We Wow. pretty good. Dates, but have you met up with them. like with their friends, or just. literally you've only met two people off. Raya? So, the first guy was. very good-looking on his profile, and. for some reason like I didn't Google. him, which is so out of character for.

me. We get out on the date, and this is. pre-Summer House. We're sitting at the. on the date. We're like at some like. pizza place or something, and this girl. leans over to him and goes, "I just want. to let you know like I love I love you. so much.". And I was like, "Yo, who the [ __ ] is. this?". "I have to pee so bad." Run to the. bathroom, Google. Run to the bathroom, Google. He's like. some actor on an NBC show. We probably. went on like five dates total. The. sweetest. Me, I wonder who went on the same date. with the same man.

What was his name? We He was He's on a show, right? And. he's. Yes. He's. Does he play a doctor? No. Stop. Stop. Stop. IS HIS FIRST NAME. YES. YES. DUDE. WAIT. OKAY. WAIT. WAIT. WAIT. I Okay, he I. remember he was the sweetest guy. The sweetest. I. like, this is my husband. like, this is who I should love. And. there's just It's just I Okay, I.

remember my date with him was I'm pretty. sure this is serial killer, which I. would never usually do, but I think. because he was a famous actor, like I. didn't feel like he was going to kill. me, which now with the Army Hammer [ __ ]. like maybe I should have thought. You never really know. Um so, I showed up to his apartment in. Brooklyn. The cutest apartment. I was like, artsy. Artsy, like luxe living, like the. upstairs, the down, like the whole. thing. And so, we had like one of the. most like romantic nights, like making. you drinks, right? Like the books, the.

whole thing. The whole thing. And then he was like smoking a cigarette. out the window. I was like, vibey as. [ __ ]. Paige, when I tell you he did the same. exact thing with me, opened the window, you sit on the couch, he sits on the. ledge. Stop. I'm dead right now. I'm. Dude, does he do this to every girl? He must. I But like, here's the thing, when we. stopped talking, I was never like mad at. him cuz I was like, you know what? I. [ __ ] with you. And if you ever call me. again, I will meet up with you. remember he gave me It was our first and.

I know I we did we did two dates. We. laid in his bed, we only made out, and. we watched a movie. And then before I. left, it was the randomest thing, but he. was like, "Do you want a luggage bag?". And I was like, "Sorry, sir, what?" I. was like, "Are you blacking out?" Like. and he was like, I got an extra Away. luggage bag from this company. Would you. want it? Like, I have too many of them. And meanwhile, I'm still poor as [ __ ] at. this moment. So, I'm like. like, yes. I was like trying to act all suave and. like, I mean, like, I don't know if I.

need it, but like I guess I. Yeah, like if you don't have room for. it, like I'll I'll take it off your. hands. like a TJ Maxx one that's like fully. disintegrating and I'm like sweating. like wanting it so bad. So, he gives me. an Away thing. I left that night and. then we went on one more date. We went. to the spot Spotted Pig and we just went. for like a brunch and I remember after. that thinking, this dude is so nice, but. there was just something. Something. I don't know what it is, but. like the nicest and I could see me like.

being friends with him. Right. And like randomly he'll send me a. DM or like like a picture or something. I'm just like, I like vibe with you from. a distance. Right, how did it go with you guys? So, we had gone uh we went on our first. date like a dinner date and we Oh my. god, I'm so sorry. It's. It's okay. It's Hannah. Clockwork. Hannah, stop calling Paige. Um okay. Getting jealous. So, we'd gone on our first date. We went. on a dinner date, which how I was like.

realized who he was cuz I'd never. watched the show that he was on. So, I. didn't know. And then we went on a. second date. He took me to a play. I know. And like usually so not me. Like, if someone was like, "Hey, want to. go to a play?" I'd be like, "Fuck no.". So, we went to this play. Yeah. And in. like the intermission of it, he looks at. me and he was like, "This is lame. You. want to get out of here?" And I was just. like, "Yeah." I was like, "Yes." So, we go. back to his apartment. I don't sleep. with him. He asked me to like run lines. with him and I was like,

"Stop." I was like, "I'm a movie star. now.". I'm pretty sure he asked me to do the. same thing cuz he had he has the fat. script, all the paper. Dude, it's. literally like a dream, but also now. it's scaring me cuz when you're saying. these things, I'm like, "Yes, yes, yes, yes.". Yes. Okay, so you're running lines. I'm like, in my head, I'm like, "What. dress am I wearing to the Emmys this. year?" Like, obviously, I am his date to. the Emmys. Then, I think I I hung out with him one. more time. It was like a snowstorm, and. I like took my ass on the subway to. Brooklyn in a snowstorm, and that was.

like the night I slept over. And then, I woke up the next morning. He. had to like go film super early, so I. left at like 6:00 a.m. And like never. really talked to him again. Like, Yeah, like he didn't you Did you he not. reach out or you didn't? I think he he reached out This is so. long ago now, but he reached out the. next morning, like, "Hey, like, did you. get home okay?" And I was like, "Yep.". And we chatted for like a little, and. then he just like never hit me up again, and I certainly wasn't going to ask him. to hang. He's one of those guys that's so It's.

like daddy-ing. Think of a guy that's. like so perfect on paper. Your parents. would love him. My I told my mom about. him, obviously, and she was like, "Oh my. god, he's right, but then there's. something that like the spark It's just. like, "Ugh, good guy.". Yep, good guy. Would love I hope he. finds the love of his life. You know, like. I wish good things for him. Mine ended. because I remember he wanted to go to. like away to like upstate New York or. something. He probably did that to you, too. No. Because he was BUYING A HOUSE.

DUDE, DID WE DATE HIM AT THE SAME TIME? have been It This was probably like 3. years ago. Wait, yeah. Yeah. I'm back. He's trying to buy. He's trying to buy a house in upstate. New York. Yeah, I don't think he ever bought a. house. Okay, good to know. Good to know. Um. okay. So, you are fully single right now. Fully single. about the dating life. So, the dating life I like to keep a. healthy a healthy bench, a healthy. roster. I always say I feel like a mom.

cuz I'm always like, "I'm only as happy. as like my least happy one.". God. Whoa. So, like I like to keep them all happy, um but recently I cleared them all. I. was just like I don't [ __ ] with any of. you anymore. Wow. I had like four guys that I was talking. to. Um one of them ghosted me and left on. his own. Wait, why? I don't really know. We'll never get to. the bottom of it. ask, did you? Did you just like text him. one day and he stopped answering? So we were texting normally one day and.

then he just like stopped answering and. then a few days went by and so I sent. the follow-up text like. Hello. Hi, remember me? Like hello? Like is. this thing on? Like what's going on? And never responded and I was like, okay, well then. So he left. I had. gotten rid of one of my other guys. because he had like just gotten out of a. really serious relationship. I could. tell he just like wanted to have fun and. like totally we had a lot of fun, but it. there wasn't enough spark to like keep. him. Yeah, I was just like you're like cool.

and like I'll answer your text but like. we're probably never going to chill. again like one-on-one. Okay, that makes sense. It's like not worth the sex. Right. rather be home with your vibrator than. like having him over. Right, and I'm like I really just like I. want to do my skin routine and not feel. weird like putting pimple cream on at. your apartment. So like. Totally. I'm going to stay home. Totally. Um and then I have another guy who's. like great, super nice, shows me a lot. of attention, but I'm just in this mood. where I'm like I don't want to be. someone's girlfriend. Like the thought. of someone being like, "Hey, this is my.

girlfriend Paige.". Doesn't work. Doesn't work. work for me. It doesn't vibe for me. right now. Didn't you tell me you're hooking up. with a guy that's like younger? Not. younger, you're. So I was hooking up with a guy who was. younger. He was two years younger than. me, which. Fascinating. It's fascinating cuz it he was like the. first guy I'd hooked up with since. breaking up with my older boyfriend. So. it was like such a switch. Oh. And there's some there're like pros of. hooking up with someone younger or your.

age, but then there's like such a long. con list. We would have so much fun. going out, but there's just something. about guys your age where I'm like, "Well, do you have like a plan?" Like. but then those were things that I hated. when I dated someone older cuz he would. be like, "Do you have a plan?" I'd be. like, "Shut the [ __ ] up.". No. No. Like dating an older guy, it's so crazy. cuz you go in waves. Like you want to. date the older guy because like you. said, they have plans and it's hot that. they like.

they know the places to go and the. reservations and they have the pool and. they have the money and the cars and the. apartments and all the nice things and. you kind of feel so like, "Oh my god, I'm this little dainty [ __ ] that's next. to me in this [ __ ] G Wagon we're. rolling around town and I don't have to. do anything.". But then when they start to turn to you. in that car and look you in your soul. and say, "So, I could see myself marrying you. Where are you at, girlfriend?" And. you're like. Like "Excuse you?". I mean, my ex was amazing. Like he. really was. He's like on paper the most.

perfect. But when he would challenge me. with like, you know, like if you became. a mom, you probably can't like stay up. till 4:00 a.m. anymore. And like he. would just like say certain things that. like had me thinking and then like if. you tell me to do something, I have to. now do the opposite. Not even. And I'm like, I have I have a dad, so I. don't and he really likes me. So, I. don't need you to tell me what to do. Like I'll figure it out. It's that's so true, too, because then. the older guy, it's like you you start.

to love the idea, but then immediately. once you break up with the older guy, I. remember breaking up with an older guy. and immediately wanting to be like, "Should I like [ __ ] like a guy that just. got out of college?" Just because like I. want to go to the grungy apartment. I. want him to like want to show up for me. and like. Cuz you feel like you're better than. that. Yes. And that's like no one talks about. that feeling. Like when I'm with a guy. and I know for a fact that like I've. lowered my standards to be with him. I'm. like. You don't even give a [ __ ].

Yeah, I don't give a [ __ ] Like I will. put the pimple cream on. Like what are. you going to do about it, bro? You're. going to leave? I'm going to put my pimple cream on. while you eat me out and I'm going to be. relaxed. I am going to be so chill. And it's more like if you think you're. actually going to get into a serious. relationship with that person that. you're like, "Okay, what are their. goals? Like how Like is this going to be. a long-term thing? Like in 5 years are. we going to be able to like get an. apartment together or are we going to be. broke as fuck?" And I'm just not at the. stage where I am seeing anyone that I'm.

like, "I'm going to This is going to be. my husband.". Totally. So I don't really like give a. [ __ ] what their goals are. Yeah. Like I just want to know like do. we have fun? Cuz this is what we were. saying. We were like a part of me. sometimes just wants like a guy that has. a good group of friends that doesn't put. pressure on me and is just like a good. go-to time. That's all I want right now. And then New York really is so small. that it's like if you're with one guy in. one group, like everyone knows you're. hooking up. And that And that like. that's one of my rules that it took me a. little while in New York to learn that. like every guy knows each other and you.

can only sleep with one guy in that. group. a story behind that. Tell me the story. You're like, "All right, thanks for. calling me out. Here we go.". Um this is probably one of my best New. York City stories. My girlfriends like I. always tell this story to whoever wants. to hear it. I'm reclining. I'm ready. So I was probably like 23, 24 and I met this guy. Gorgeous, 6'2, dark hair, dark eyes, beard, dressed.

impeccable. His apartment. downtown Soho. I was just like, "I love. you. I love you. I will do whatever you. want me to." He would hit me up at 2:00. a.m. "Hey, come over." I'm putting my. sweats on. I'm coming. I'm ready. I like. I just washed my makeup off. I'm putting. it back on. Only for you, baby. Only. So one night he was supposed to meet me. out, and for whatever reason I felt like. he was getting distant. Felt like he was. getting back with his ex-girlfriend,

didn't really know what was happening. He never shows up. So, because I didn't have like a crazy. college experience, I'd never had a. one-night stand, and this was the only. time I'd ever done it. And I'm out with. my girlfriends. I forget where we even. were. I think we were at Acme. Oh, [ __ ] gets weird at Acme. weird. You have. no cell phone service. She gets weird. douchey and you just really run for. things you would never do, but you're. like, "No one can contact me. Never. I'm down here. I'm going for it.". I might as well be in a different.

country. Like, the time zone is probably. different. Like, Acme is like It's It's. a rare breed. It's a rare breed. So, I'm standing. there, and some guy is standing at a. table next to me, and I could just tell. that we were both like looking at each. other, and I was like, "Whatever." So, I. we go over to his table, we're chatting. He's like, "My apartment is like pretty. close." I don't think it was, but. It's like literally in Queens. You're. like, "Right right right, here we go.". Yeah. And I'm like with my one. girlfriend. She's like, "Whatever. Just. like go back to his apartment. This. guy's not even going to text you. He's.

probably with another girl. Like, you. deserve it.". So, I go back to this guy's apartment. I. sleep with him. I wake up the next. morning, and I'm like, "I want to kill myself." Like, I'm like, "I got If I don't get out of here in 4. seconds." I remember him being like, "So, what's your number?" And I was. like, No. Probably not. I was like, "Probably not.". I don't know where my phone is It's. still at Acme. Got to go buy. Somehow. you called the new number, but you. I can't remember. I'm like, "I don't. know.". I don't know. Um So, I leave. I'm in an Uber back to. my apartment. The original guy texts me.

"Hey, it'd probably be cool if you. didn't go out and sleep with my best. friend.". And it My whole body shuts down. My. entire My stomach falls to my butt. Like, I'm like, I'm going to throw up. So, he I text him back and I'm like, "What are you talking about?" And he. goes, "First of all, Paige, I fell. asleep last night. And second of all, one of my best friends just called me. and goes, 'Oh my god, I hooked up with.

like such a great girl last night. Like. I'm I think I'm going to take her on a. date.'". And I go, "What's her name?" And he said. your name. And I was like, You're like, "That wasn't me, though. That wasn't me. Ask him for my number.". He probably doesn't He doesn't even have. the number. That wrong girl. Wrong. Wrong. I never spoke to him. again. And it was It pains me to this. day to know that I [ __ ] up so badly. like that, and I've never had a. one-night stand ever again. Yeah, it was traumatic trauma.

is wide open because I feel like I've. had a similar situation where. the fact that you were already feeling. so shitty about yourself, you're in that. Uber being like, "I need to take 17. showers, and I need to pray to the. mother of God that I completely can. erase this at some point in my life.". Like you feel gross. It's one of those. that you. "My mom didn't raise me like this. I. don't just sleep with guys I meet." I. was like, "This is disgusting.". And it's also like the guy you met at. Acne.

Like you're. Like you're in the basement, you wake. up, he doesn't even look the same. You're like, "Why the [ __ ] did I do. that?" It's awful. And so, and also I. hate those where. I've done this before, you're out and. you're sad about another guy not. answering you, so you think the good. thing to do is to go with another dude, but really it's just go the [ __ ] home. because you have to. Right? And the fact that he was just. sleeping. He was sleeping. He was just sleeping. what? That we don't actually know. He. probably wasn't just sleeping, but like.

for the story and like he looks better. than he probably did. Like dude, it was. traumatic trauma. We know I never heard from him again. And I would like to see him out because. New York again is so small. And like now. if I ever see him like we say hi, but. he's just over it. Yeah. Over. Those are the worst. I'm so sorry for. you because like I've done some [ __ ]. up [ __ ] especially when you're. intoxicated and you think you're doing. the right thing and it's just like you. just [ __ ] yourself over. Um, okay,

Paige, what is your routine when you're. like when you're going to like sleep. with a guy? Like I have said on my. podcast like it's it's not a religious. thing. I just don't usually [ __ ] guys on. the first date only because you it. depends like usually it's because I'm. going into it with like a specific. mindset like. Right. to trap this man and I want to do it in. like a very calculated way. I've now. told my best friend Lauren who's single. cuz she was like, oh [ __ ] like should I. not [ __ ] on the first date? I'm like. Lauren, you're looking to just have sex. So. Right. absolutely [ __ ] on the first date. Find.

out what his dick is like, find out what. his dick game is like, and then if you. don't like it, get out and go to another. one. But what's your kind of style? So it definitely took me a few years to. like figure out my dating style. And I it it def- you're right. It. depends on what you want from that man. Like. Mhm. if you go out on a date and you're like, damn, I really like him. Like I want to. hang out with him. My rule is don't. sleep with him at least until like after. the third date. Three dates is usually my rule. Now, have I slept with people way too soon?

Absolutely. Totally. Like everyone gets too many tequilas. like. but there are guys that like if you. sleep with them on the first date, they. don't give a [ __ ] If they really like. you and it's meant to be, it'll it. doesn't matter. But a lot of my guy friends, which is. such a double standard, Totally. they obviously want to sleep with you on. the first date, but if you let them, even though they're [ __ ] trying to, if you let them, they're immediately. turned off. It's so annoying. such it's so annoying cuz I like my guy.

friends will say this to me and I'm. like, okay, so if it'll going to turn. you off that they sleep with you on the. first date, then why are you trying to. sleep with them? And they're like, to. see if we can. And I'm like, oh my god, that's. infuriating to me. But a part of me also. thinks. if you do on the first night, if you are. the specific girl that can play it the. right way, the minute after you [ __ ]. and you do it not to see like quickly. where you like get up and you act like I. do this all the time and you like.

quickly get up, wipe yourself off with. your hands, rub it on his carpet, be. like, peace out, dude. See you around. things where you think like damn, we. should have just left it at that? Like I. don't need no man. I'm good, thank you. Goodnight. That is. like a little too suave where they're. like, whoa, like she's got a system. But if you linger too long and then. you're miss clingy, they're like, Kate, you were. just so easy. Like you do this with. every guy also and like you're like. trying to wife like I'm trying to like. not wife you up. There's got to I think. there's a very specific way to girls if. you ever do [ __ ] them on the first time. and then you're like, [ __ ] I think I. like this dude. It's got to be a really. suave way which I can talk about another.

episode, but like specifically waiting a. little bit longer and then getting up. and being super like acting like you. never did this before, but like without. saying I never did that. So you So you usually wait a little bit. if you think he has potential. If I think he has potential, I will wait. until the third date because then at. that point.

they're so into you. Like they want to. sleep with you so badly. And I just feel. like it makes it better. There's so I. love sexual tension, like the build-up I. feel like is the best part of it. And. like I love a chase just as much as guys. do, but like it's different for girls. Like if I want to sleep with them, I. know I'm going to be a No one's going to. say no, like that's a guy. But I love. like the are we, are we not, what's it. going to be like, is it like the sexual. tension. So my rule is the third date.

Like I don't need no man. I'm good, thank you. Goodnight. That is like a. little too suave where they're like, whoa, tension." Was there ever someone. in a group that you ended up hooking up. with and you were like, "Why we I almost. liked the flirting stage more than like. the actual act of doing it.". Wow, that's a really good question. And. I don't think I don't think so and I'm. not trying to say like I'm so good at. having sex. I get what you're saying. But like I don't think I've ever been. like shoot, I wish I didn't sleep with. him. It wasn't what I thought. I like. the flirting better.

Why I brought that to mind was cuz. something just popped into my head. I. had a situation where. I had this like brilliant thing that. just happened to happen to me and I gave. it as advice in Call Her Daddy. It. wasn't intentional. I met this guy on. Raya and I went on a date with him and. the chemistry just wasn't there. But. after the date, he brought me to this. bar and all of his friends were there. and they were such a cool group of. friends in New York. And so I started to. hang out with him a little bit longer. than I should have, which is maybe a. little [ __ ] up because I kind of. wanted to like hang with their group of.

friends. And here's the thing, guys are just as. much social climbers than like guys. think girls are. I've actually met some. of the most social climby guys in New. York that I'm like, it's so annoying. that girls have that like stigma to them. because you will literally. as bad. Yeah. suck a dick in the bathroom if it meant. that you're 100% getting the table at 1. Oak next to the [ __ ] DJ booth, you. piece of [ __ ]. thousand percent. So I started infiltrating this friend. group and I went strategically, which I.

think was very smart on my part, right. for the girls. And I befriended the. girls because I knew a lot of girls. probably try to infiltrate cuz there. were a lot of hot guys in the group and. they would be like, "Okay, this girl's. just trying to fuck.". Yeah. And I wasn't even trying to [ __ ] I just. wanted like a good group of friends. So. finally after like months, I would go. out and meet them every weekend and like. I had a good group of friends. And then there was an athlete in that. group that would occasionally pop in, that was actually. on an ex- I used to be on my ex's.

professional athletic team. So, they. used to be teammates. Okay. And so, naturally, I wasn't dating my ex. at the time, so I was kind of like, is. this [ __ ] up but like so [ __ ] hot? Cuz I wasn't going to on good terms with. my ex, and I was like, wait, this is so. fun. So, he would every weekend have a. new chick on his arm, and we would make. crazy eye contact. The sexual tension. was insane. The eye contact. That it's that's what. it is for me. And we're like across the table from. each other, and we're not talking, and. we had matched on Raya like months and.

months before, and neither of us had. messaged each other. So, we knew who who. each other was. He knew who I was. He. knew who my ex was. And then, finally, after so much sexual tension back and. forth for like so long, one night, it. just got a little too wild. It was one. of those New York nights where like we. go back to someone's baller apartment. It's 5:00 a.m. People are drinking, doing drugs, like everyone's up. It's. like one of those best nights. And then, he ended up leaving the girl he was. with, and we went back to my apartment. And we didn't have sex, but we did like.

everything but. And I woke up, and I. just knew, like, why did I do that? Because it wasn't that great. He's kind. of doesn't have the best personality, but it was just like the chase and and. the forbiddenness that I was into. And. the minute that I woke up, I could tell. we both even were just kind of like, we're going to have to see each other at. like the day drink today, and like we're. not going to date. Like, we're too much. both on our own. Like, we're in our own. [ __ ] Also, my ex is like your friend.

Like, you're a weird Like, it was just a. whole thing. And I wish to that day we. had just kept it at the flirtatious eye. contact. And I feel like I don't know if this is. like specific to New York, but because. everyone knows everyone and everyone's. friends, I've been in that situation. where like you're hooking up with a guy. in a friend group, and then like that. kind of falls off, and like you don't. really know if you like him. And then, one random night one of the other. friends comes along and you're like damn. like you're kind of showing me. attention. You hook up with him and then. you're like [ __ ].

Why did I do that? Yeah like why did I do that? That's there's so and I think anyone. listening cuz I have a lot of people. always writing in being like should I. hook up like there's sexual tension. between me and like one of my best guy. friends. I think sometimes leaving the. sexual tension is better than actually. going for it because the sex is in is a. moment. The after sex is a long [ __ ]. time and so when you're then going in. social settings almost think okay we're. going to have sex it will probably great. or not. What happens after? What are we. going to do after? If you. Unless this person unless you have like.

love at first sight. Like then it's probably not like I have. definitely been in a group of guy. friends where I have slept with one of. the guys and I'm like I really like this. person and then there's another friend. who's like kind of always hitting on me. and I'm like I love this and I haven't. slept with him and it like it's way. better than if we were to actually do it. then like even though there's such a. double standard and it's annoying but. that's what it is like the guys are. going to think of you as like yeah two.

of us like slept with you. And it's like. I hate that feeling. My mom was saying something to me cuz. she was like it's so annoying me cuz her. friend kept saying things about like her. son's friends that would be like oh he's. such a great guy he just has to get it. out of his system. He's like hooking up. with a bunch of girls and then he's. going to be an amazing husband. Can you. imagine someone ever saying she just has. to [ __ ] around with all these guys get. it out of her system then she's going to. be an amazing wife. Why is it a double. standard? Go [ __ ] yourselves. It's so annoying because all of my guy. friends.

This oh my god this brings up such a. good point because all of my guy friends. are like we're not ready for. relationships and I was like no I. totally like I get that. Like you don't. get in one if you don't think that you. can be faithful to someone but like. they're like but you're the type of girl. we'd want to date. Like you're. independent like you're funny, you're. successful. And I'm like, I'm right. here. so like if you want to date me, I I'm. right here. But like if I ever said, "Yeah, I'm just. going to go [ __ ] like all these guys and. like I'm just I'm not ready." They'd be.

like, "You're a whore.". You're a [ __ ]. Like, you can't. [ __ ] you. It's just such a double standard and all. I can say is like it literally all has. to do with like everyone always asks me. like how do you preserve your reputation. and all this [ __ ]. Mhm. You just got to look at yourself however. the [ __ ] you feel. And if you feel good. about yourself, [ __ ] whatever you want. to do. Like, just go for it. And any guy. that can't handle like your body count, which he'll never find out cuz you're. never so [ __ ] telling them. Don't. ever tell someone your body count. I don't understand why girls would ever. girls are like, "What do I tell them my. body count is?" You say, "Go [ __ ].

yourself. None of your business.". Yeah, I'd be like that you're such a. weak You like you make them feel stupid. Like, "Ew, that's so weird. Why would. you ask that? I would never ask what. yours is.". you make them feel so immature. Like, "Oh god. Like, you're still in high. school.". high school? Like, what are you in. college? You want to know my body count? That's so weird. What Okay, wait. Your star sign? What. are you Aren't you a Scorpio? I remember. Hannah like back in the day being like, "You're a [ __ ] Scorpio, you psycho.". Um. Uh yes, November 4th is my birthday. What is it like being a Scorpio?

So. we're very like mysterious. So like. we're never going to really let you know. how we're feeling about you. We're the. most sexual sign. Oh. But we're like you wouldn't really know. it. Like, unless you are the person. having sex with us. Oh. We're not going to like put it out. And. so it's like kind of like a little bit. of a surprise, I feel like. And we can. be very cold. Like, so like when I'm. done with someone, I'm done with them. Like, I really don't ever think about. them again. But if I care about them,

I'm going to be very empathetic. Like, I'm going to be all about them. But if. you do piss me off and I get to that. point, like. Done. I'll delete your number. Like, I don't. and and won't phase me. What were you What are you like as a. girlfriend? So, it's interesting cuz I am like a. girlfriend type of girl. Like I love. having boyfriends and I think it's. because. I think girls are always mean and it's. so hard to like ever have like a good. group of girlfriends or have like a a. best friend who's a girl. I mean, not.

saying that I'm not a girls' girl cuz I. deep down really am. Like I love my. girlfriends. I love. Totally. that. But like in high school and. college, I always felt like Okay, well. my boyfriend's the one that really has. my back. So, I love being someone's girlfriend. and I've definitely stayed in. relationships too long just because I. liked the comfortability of being. someone's girlfriend. But I'm not I mean, I'm a good. girlfriend, but I'm probably not the. best. Like I'm definitely toxic at some.

points. Like what do you mean toxic? Like do you. try to make them jealous? Like what's. your go-to that if you if I asked your. ex-boyfriends like what is Paige like? Like what are they telling me? So, my All my ex-boyfriends, I all I. speak to all of them except one. And I. would say I've I have like five real. relationships that I was in. I talk to. all of them. They're all good friends. except one who's like engaged and like. who knows where he is. Um. but I.

I can be a cold-hearted [ __ ] Like I. really I really can. I've been cheated. on a ton and I am kind of like, "Okay, you made me feel like this. Just. Wait. how much awful you're going to feel when. I do it to you." So, like I'm like a. get-even kind of. Like you're going to [ __ ] me over, just. wait. I kind of love the scary-ness that's. coming out. Slowly lowering like I am a. get-even type of [ __ ] We. I Tell me about it. I had a guy that I had a guy I have a.

guy that I'm like talking to right now. and one of the best text messages that. he ever sent to me, he says he said um. "Every day I'm a little bit more scared. of you." And I said, "Perfect.". Perfect. Goal achieved. Dude. Wait. Okay. Tell me about you getting. cheated on. Um so I've been cheated on I mean I I. dated a guy in college. He definitely. cheated on me, but like whatever. My. first boyfriend in New York, I like. would see him cheating on me. Like we'd.

be out at clubs and he would like leave. and I'd like see him in an elevator with. another girl. And like one time I threw. him a birthday party in the Hamptons and. I like walked in on him like making out. with someone. I was just like, "This is. not great.". Dude, what what are you saying those. moments? I was. I mean I was young. I was stupid and. it's funny cuz I feel like people like. if they're watching me on the show or. like my Instagram now like I come off. very confident and like high. self-esteem, but wasn't I and I'm not.

Like I definitely have insecurities, but. it wasn't just born like that. Like I've. gone through [ __ ] that makes you get. like that. So that was definitely a. relationship where I was like, "This is. This is crazy. Like why am I living. through this with someone?". that you were like blindsided? Um no. Like every time I've gotten. cheated I have a really crazy gut. instinct and every time I've been. cheated on it was I was like, "I know. something crazy is going on." Like let. me let me check up on it.

out they were cheating? I have before, yeah. Where was your Do you remember like. where was your mental state with that? Was it just staying cuz you needed to. get a. Well, not great. Not great at all. I. have stayed too when I found out someone. was cheating and it was just like for me. it was more of like I need to figure my. [ __ ] out. Like I was living with this. person. Like I need to like somewhat. fake that I'm it's going to we're going. to make it all work while I get like my. logistics figured out. But like was. yours more to like get even or were you. just like whatever I'll just like keep. being in this relationship?

It was more like, "Okay. Our friend We all have the same friends. We're going out every weekend. Like, who. am I going to hang out with if I'm not. dating this person?" And it's such an. like immature thought, and it's such a. like unworthy feeling, and just. basically having no self-confidence that. I could go out and get a new boyfriend. who's probably 10 times better in a. week. But, when you're in that. situation, you just feel like a piece of. [ __ ] and you're like in your bed, and. you're like, "What am I Like, I'm. leaving him to do what? Like, lay and.

cry in my own bed? Like, by myself?" So, it crazy cuz I love that you're saying. that like on the show you do come off. like the baddest [ __ ] and you're so. confident walking around in your perfect. outfits. I'm like, "Fuck you.". I try really hard. You know, and and it but it works. Like, you literally I've bought things that. you post on your Instagram because you. like are so good at marketing clothing. because they're all affordable, and you. make them look so high-end. Like, you're. amazing at that. But, you exude this. confidence, and I think it's really cool.

that you say like you used to not be. that way, and I've been open about that. on my show, too. Like, I wasn't just. like born, and I was like, "What's up? I'm a bad bitch." Like, you go through. [ __ ] and I think like therapist had. like punched me in the head one day when. she was like, "Look at all your old. relationships, and if you look at when. they were toxic, usually it's because. like your relationship is a mirror, and. like you didn't like who you were, and. so you were accepting like shitty stuff. because you felt shitty about yourself. And now think about yourself going into. like any relationships, you probably are.

more in your life where like you know. who you are, you know what you want, you. know what you deserve, and so you would. never date that person now.". Ever. Yeah. I'm such a different Like, being single right now and 28, and like. now being in the career I'm in, I'm such. a different single person. And that was. like one of the reasons I wanted to get. single because I was like, "What would I. be like?" Cuz I know I wouldn't be the. way I was when I was 25, like falling. all over whoever and there's definitely. times where like I'll meet a guy and he.

doesn't like me back and I'll have that. like let's cry about it for like a day. and then I'll be like wait I'm a bad. [ __ ] [ __ ] and like his loss and it's. more about him than it is about me. I. had a therapist say to me one time like. you let people pick you. Why don't you. start picking who you want to date? And. I was like I was like okay. Okay. And it like really spoke to me. I was. like you're so right. I let these like. losers come in and do whatever but there. is something about like dating the bad.

boy when you are younger that I feel. like you have to do. Dude, you have to tell us about your. drug dealer. EVERYONE'S LIKE HOLD UP WHAT? DUDE on. FaceTime I'm like Paige like let's go. through like college history like did. you have a boyfriend? She's like yeah. like not the best choices like I like. the bad boy like I dated a drug dealer. I'm like so what what? Tell me about it. So like I dated this guy in college for. like a hot second and I think it's. because my high school boyfriend who I.

dated like senior year of high school. freshman year of college a little bit of. sophomore year was so perfect like the. most amazing boyfriend the my first love. like everything about him and the way he. loved me was amazing. And there's just a part of me that was. like it's got to be there's got to be. something crazy out here and I found a. guy who was just I think it was a. bookie. He was definitely a drug dealer. at one point and like I was driving in.

his like dope car one day and I was just. like. how did I get here? We were getting. pulled over by the cops. I had like a. fake ID cuz I wasn't 21 at the time. I. had a fake ID in my purse. I was so. nervous and like I'm a good girl like I. don't get pulled over. I've never been. arrested. I don't have tattoos like I'm. scared of authority. Like, this is not. me. We're getting pulled over. He looks. at me and he goes, "Don't say a [ __ ]. word when they come in when they come.

over. I don't know what I have in my. car, but act oblivious." And I just like. looked at him and I was like, "Okay.". The police came. They like gave us a. speeding ticket. We drove off, but it was in that moment. that I was just like, Nope. Not me. I tried it. Not me. I I'd like. to go back to being good again. Like, but I learned a lot. R- Okay, that is so crazy. We have so. many similarities. Hearing you say that. story, I knew after you were going to. say that moment when you push it too far.

and there's authorities involved. You're. like, "Not [ __ ] cool." I had a. boyfriend that I dated in high school. and he was the definition of a bad boy. And um I met him, I'm pretty sure, on. like Facebook. And like he went to the. public school and like I went to the. Right? Wait, that's such a thing, too. Like, if. you went to the private school and. you're like, "I'm going to date a public. school boy cuz like I'm bad.". I'm bad. I'm the baddest of the bad. And. so I'm at this like preppy-ass high.

school that my parents couldn't afford. Like, I had a scholarship for high. school and I'm at the school. I couldn't. afford a car. All these [ __ ] are. driving around in Maseratis. And I. wanted to go back to like the. comfortability of like I want to be. Wait, was yours all girls? No, mine was like a private boarding. school. Okay. Okay. these small dicks. I was going to go to. an all-girls school and then I was like, "I'd probably end it all if I went. there." So, no. I went all girls. Oh, I can so see you at all girl. Yeah, I went all girls.

Yeah, of course. I went Catholic school. my entire life. High school was all. girls. god. Yeah. So, I wore I didn't I wore a. uniform my whole life until I got to. college and then I was like, "What do. people wear to school?". Dude, it's so funny when I say I went to. Catholic school K through eight and. whenever where talk about wearing that. like the plaid skirt and the thigh. highs, guys are like, "Oh my god, that I. can't I wish I could see a picture." I'm. like, "No, I was hideous. Shut up. It. wasn't hot. It was like disgusting. It. was disgusting.". like, I wore Doc Martens for like my. school shoe. I was like, I like I didn't. shower. Like all girls were just It's. disgusting. I was like, I didn't shave.

my legs till Friday. Like you don't want. to see a pic. So, I'm in high school, I start dating. this bad boy, and I remember will never. forget my parents were at like my. brother's hockey game, and I was going. to sneak out and have my first date with. this guy. He picks me up in this BMW, and I'm like, "Oh my god, so hot.". I get in. There's something about a BMW. Something about Okay, and then something. about a man with earrings and a. backwards hat. Okay. Yeah. Mhm. And so, I get in, and we're driving to. his house, and I will never forget this. moment. He's driving so slow, and I'm.

like, "Why are you driving so slow?" And. he's like, "Oh, cuz I have a DUI.". And I'm like, "Oh my god, I'm wet." And. I like A part of me was like so excited. about it, but a part of me was like kind. of terrified, and I dated this kid on. and off for like 2 years, and my parents. were doing everything they could to keep. me away from him. I would like put my. phone in my mailbox because they had a. tracker on me, and then I would like. leave my house. Yeah, my mom would wake. up in the middle of the night check to.

see my location. I'd be at home. Meanwhile, I'm like fully out of town. Dude, so bad. Wait, genius though. Genius. Dude, it was genius until I told I think. I've told this story before, but like it. was genius until I'm on Amazon or. whatever I was on eBay back then it was. eBay, and I'm trying to buy one of those. like fire escape ladders so I could. climb out of my so I could climb out of. my room, and I didn't have a credit card. at the time, so my dumb ass uses my. dad's card thinking he wouldn't see, and. he comes in one day being like, "So, you're the one buying the ladder?" And.

I'm like, "Dad, what?". I'm like, "I like I just want to do some. home improvement. I'm trying to help. you.". "Dad, this is for the family safety. Stop." He's like, "You're the one who. was. a fire drill at 6:00 p.m. Be there, Dad.". So So, how dark and then I'll tell a. story one day fully on the podcast, but. it got so dark and he was so troubled. and I think he's out of rehab now, but. there was Yeah, good for him. There was. one situation where he.

there was a huge event that happened. He. was put into a coma. Oh my god. it was so bad. I was driving down to the. hospital, asked my parents if I could go. see him and like seeing him on a. ventilator and I had just gotten. accepted to BYU and like got my. scholarship, like worked so hard and I I. kind of had that moment in the car like. you being like, "What am I doing?" Like it it's the bad. boy is so fun until it's too far bad boy. that you're like, "This is not where I. planned my life to go." And like.

There's something in your gut that. you're just like, "This isn't This isn't. my path.". Something in your gut and then also. something seeing the guy on the. ventilator, you're like, "This is so. [ __ ] sad, but also like I got to go. do my thing." So, bad boy stories are. like every girl that thinks it's fun, it's really not. Like it's fun for a. thrill of a night, not for a. relationship. Looking back on it now, it's can be such. a pivotal moment in like the way you. become a woman because I really feel. like when I dated this guy, I was like,

what, 19, 20? Like I wasn't a woman of. like the way I think of things now, but. I always think like, "Wow, what if he. really trapped me and that was my path. like for the future?" Like thank god I. had the wherewithal or like the family. to be like, "Yo, get your [ __ ] together. You're done with him. Like you're moving. on." But I could see how some girls get. trapped in that and then they're in like. mental or like mentally abusive. relationships or physically abusive and.

that's terrifying. like you have. Do you have siblings? I do. I have an older brother. Okay, I do, too. And And you're close. with your family, right? My brother is. everything. my best friend. I actually say like. people that don't get along with their. siblings, I'll never understand it. Can't trust them. I can't trust them. And I feel bad. saying it cuz there's so many people. that don't [ __ ] with their siblings. Yeah. Like my brother is. exact same personality as me, way. funnier than me, and like 10 times.

smarter. He's a lawyer. And they're. like, "What happened with Paige?". I'm just trying to figure it out. Shut up. Please stop. No, I agree with. you. Turn on my show. Um yeah, but I just like I'm very close. with my family, and my brother is like. my best friend. I love that because I think like I'm I. also have an older brother, and he's. literally like my best best friend. And. I have an older sister, and everyone. doesn't even know I have an older. sister. My older sister and I when I. were younger would fight all the time. just cuz it was like sisters. Yeah. But she is also my best best friend. And.

like when you have that family dynamic, and then you love your parents, when you. have these toxic relationships, like. I've learned like you're so [ __ ]. lucky, and we're so fortunate to have. that relationship with our family that. some people don't have. Yeah. It It does You're right. It is scary to. think about how close I was at times, and my family's pulling me back being. like, "What the [ __ ] are you doing?". Like my brother had so many. conversations that I'm sure you, too, have like Paige, you're so cute that you think. your parents can tell you like you're.

[ __ ] up, and you're like, "Okay.". Right. And it really isn't my brother will be. like, "Yo.". Yeah. Do we have to have a conversation? My. brother has actually every boyfriend. I've ever had, he's been like, "Yeah, you can have fun with him. This isn't. it. Like cut it off pretty soon cuz this. guy's going to get upset and like. obsessed with you, and we're just not. happy here.". Dude, is that not the worst though when. your brother says it, and then you're. like, "Well, now you ruined it for me.". Yeah, I'm like, "Fuck. Now I can't hang. out with him." My brother will like make. fun of whoever I'm dating like to me.

And then when I'm talking to the guy in. my head is like my brother saying all. these mean things, and I'm like, "God. damn it, Gary.". I hate it. Dude, my brother does the. same, and I'm like, "Can you please just. keep your comments until I come to you. cuz like I like this one." And then he's. like, "It's so cute that you think. that.". Yeah. Anyone listening that isn't close to. their family, this isn't a put down. This is more of like a I think then I. always suggest like finding I do feel. like those people then have those. friends that are like family. Yeah.

on anyone that is around you. I've. always like my mom's always said it like. whenever we say something like we have. no ulterior motives. What would be our. ulterior motive to telling you like. someone's not doing something in your. best interest? It's just out of love. And so if you're ever feeling maybe like. you're in a toxic situation or you're. pulling away from people that do love. you, listen to them because you probably. don't have a clear view of things and. they do. And what what what your mom. doesn't want to [ __ ] your boyfriend. Like there's no ulterior motive.

My mom always says, "If I can't tell. you, who's going to tell you?". So true. for so many things like I always say. like mom if like I'm going to get fat. like tell me I'm getting fat. And she's. like, "If I can't tell you, who are you. going to call and ask?" I'm like, "Okay, great.". Thank you. Thank you. You're like, "Thanks, mom. I really appreciate the. honesty." No, it's so true. Um let's. talk about guys and money and buying on. dates and [ __ ] like that because I want. to hear your take on.

how much of a turn off is it if a guy. takes you on a date Well, first of all, have you ever had a guy take you on a. date and ask you to split the bill? Not on a first date. Okay. But I've definitely like bought dates. that I felt like. this is like still part of the courting. situation and I don't feel like I should. be paying for this, but like go off. Do. your thing. did he ask you to pay or split? So I was on a date one time and would. say this was like our third, fourth. date. Like very in very new in the.

dating situation. Like we weren't. exclusive, we weren't like anything, but. we were going on dates. And like a. normal [ __ ] human, when the check. came, like I like went and grabbed for. my bag. fake out. It's like a little fake out. Classic. Yeah, tale as old as time. Like. you grab for your bag. So, I'm grabbing. for my bag waiting for him to be like, "Oh my god, stop." He doesn't say, "Oh. my god, stop." So, like I have to keep. proceeding. Like now I'm taking my. wallet out. Now I'm opening my wallet.

Now my card is in my hand. And I say, "Oh my god, like let me get this one.". And waiting for him to be like, "Absolutely not. That's crazy. Like this. is our third date." He doesn't say. anything. So, I like take the check, I pay for it. And like it was a fun It was fine. It. was just like a dinner. But in my head I. was like. I'm all for like equal like rights and. women, and I'm down to split things. I'm. down to pay for things when like we're.

in a relationship. Like absolutely. And. I like being able to buy my own [ __ ] cuz. I hate feeling like I owe someone. something. But like at the end of the. day, you're trying to date me. Like. that's why we're going on dates, we're. hanging out. Like we're seeing if this. could be a relationship. And like come. on, dude. It's one dinner. It's like the. third date. The third date's pretty early. Pretty early, right? I I know that so many people will ask me. like, "Fuck, like I'm in a relationship, and I'm just trying to find the balance. of, you know, like him paying versus me.

paying." I feel the same way. And like. that's totally different. Totally different, but I do feel like. when you're in the beginning stages, like if you're asking me out on a date, you're paying. And I know maybe that. sounds like a little stuck up, but like. I don't give a [ __ ] Like if a guy's. asking me on a date, I'm shouldn't even. have to bring my wallet cuz I'm. expecting. me two hours to get ready for this. My. makeup. is 10 grand. Like if I threw all of this away and had. to go buy it, I'd spend $5,000. You can.

[ __ ] pick up this $100 check for some. dumb pasta you bought me. Thank you. Thank you. And I know. more than us. Have you heard about the. wage gap? You [ __ ] make more than me. [ __ ] yourself. No, it's so true. And I I. think there is you're right. There's a. line of like I think any guy listening. even if you there's one thing one I. think for the at least the first like. five plus dates like it sucks even if. you have to ask your parents for money. like you should be paying and two. I think that something to me that is.

just such a turn on that is so. underrated and it really isn't that much. more expensive. Any guy listening for. advice. if you're sending her an Uber, send her. an Uber black. If a black Escalade rolls up to pick you. up, Paige, tell me you're not already. trying to [ __ ] this guy. I'm now reconfiguring like do I have to. wait for the third date because this was. really nice. Like we've set the bar so. [ __ ] low for men. It actually is.

infuriating. because. a simple Uber even like saying like let. me get you an Uber. I'm like like you. want to get me an Uber. But like sending a black Escalade to. pick me up to take me out on a date and. you want to know something? I actually. haven't had someone do that for me in. like years. Okay, so any men listening just start. sending Uber blacks to Paige as a part. just start sending them. I'm not we're. not even going anywhere. Just keep them. rolling up. underrated and I feel like it's.

literally like a difference between 12. 20 something dollars and it can totally. change the vibe of the night and I know. it's superficial but it doesn't girls. can be superficial. Anyone is. superficial when you get something nice. that you're not expecting. It's like oh. my god. It's also like. it's like human instincts. Like of. course we want to be equal to the guys, but there is like an innate feeling of. like we want to kind of be we want to. feel like we're being taken care of a. little and like we want you to be like. manly and macho and like it's not about. the money. It's just like you thought of.

us. You want us to be safe. Like you. want to in some way protect us and like. help us out. Like send the Uber. Like. it's not it's $30. It'll benefit you later down the line. We're. trust. Trust. We'll take care of you. ourselves. Maybe the three-date [ __ ]. situation may go down to the first date. Like send me an Uber. Totally. Okay, I want to ask you I I. wrote the question as are you a lover or. are you a fighter Paige in the bedroom I. mean. Do you like loving sex? Do you.

like aggressive sex? Like what's your. sex life like? Okay, so I like to have a balance. But. like the first couple times I don't be. loving because I'll be like you know. it's so weird. I don't know you. Like don't kiss my forehead. I'll. actually throw up. But like if it's my. boyfriend at some point yes, I would I. want to like make love. But like in the. beginning I'm probably a little bit more. like aggressive in terms of like a light. choke.

Yeah. Light choke but don't want to like pass. out. Have you. No, I don't want to pass out. I have. some friends that let like they're like. I passed out and I'm like that's scary. but they love it. Totally. Do you cuz I remember talking. about it on an episode and people. thought it was fascinating like well one. have you ever like been in love before? Okay, I I feel bad like cuz I don't know. how many ex-boyfriends are going to. listen to this. I have been in love before. I think I've. really truly only been in love once.

I think I've loved the person. that I'm dating. Like I love them as a. human. They're a great human, but I. wasn't in love with them. Right. And then I feel like I've had. relationships where I loved the. relationship because it was either like. so toxic or so like what's going to. happen next, but I didn't love the. person. I think it's so. So when like both are aligned, where. like I love the relationship and I loved. the person, I really only think I've.

I've only ever felt that once. And I. think that's why I'm such a relationship. girl because like I want to be in love. Like I can't wait for that. I just don't. think I've had that in a really long. time. I think that's profound. I think. that's. and you're being honest. And I I don't. think there's anything wrong with being. in a relationship, especially at our age. Maybe as we're getting older, the next. relationship you're going to get into. you'll probably want to like you're. going to be like I want to be in love. The next time I'm getting in I'm going. to be in love. But like in your 20s, I.

don't think I've had relationships, I. know I'm not fully in love with that. person, but I don't think there's then. any pressure to be like well then you. have to break up with them if you're not. in love with them. Because each relation. you get something from each. relationship, but I do think it's. 1,000%. Isn't it crazy though when you are in. love, the difference in the sex? Yeah. So I actually haven't really been. in love in love. since. and I think it was like my first love. So really since I was like 20.

Yeah. It's wild though to like I've said like. this one person that I dated like the. sex was. so intense when we were having sex at. times and then so hot other times. But. like. Yeah. the a bit for ever since having that. person where I was like holy [ __ ] like. it I hate using the word like making. love. But like. Yeah. the the hot sensual. passion. Right? To be able to have that sex and. then turn it off and do another round. that's like sexy and kinky and hot. It's.

hard then to then I've gone on to new. relationships that I've had some. boyfriends that I'm like we only have. like semi dirty sex and there's no. passion. And once you have the passion. in sex, it's hard to move forward in a. relationship and have a guy that doesn't. do that. And there's some I've had like. boyfriends where like we have the dirty, crazy sex and you're so into it. And. then they want to switch it to like the. lovemaking kind and I'm like, "I just don't want to.". Right? Cuz you're not You're not there, right? Yeah, you're not there and I feel so.

bad. But. It's It's all It's And that's why. I do think for me, like it is kind of a. weird thing, but getting older, like. that's kind of my sense of like, "Am I. really into this person?" if I can do. both. Because you're so right, I get the. ick when they try to then do the. lovemaking and I'm like, "I really wish. you would just [ __ ] me like I'm like a. little [ __ ] and just let's get it over. with." Like it's not. put your hand over my mouth and like I'm. not. Tell me to shut the [ __ ] up and let's. keep it moving. Like. We have dinner to get to. Um yeah.

Okay, have you ever I was going to ask. you, have you ever had to go about A lot. of girls want to know like, "What do I. do if I want to figure out like, what. are we?" And I've always tell girls. like, "Well, you don't ask what we are.". That's just so wrong, so not the right. way to go about it. want to get dumped real quick, ask him. what you are. If you're trying to get out of it, a. thousand percent ask him what you guys. "What are we, Jeremy?" And he's like, "You're disgusting." That's what you. are. is what we are. But like, have you ever been in a. situation where you felt like you needed. to ask a guy what you are? I think we.

kind of said both no, but. Um no, I don't think so. And anyone I've. ever like made like they've been become. my actual boyfriend, it's all happened. the same way. Where one day we start. hanging out and then we just hung out. every single day until we were like, "Yeah, we're dating." I've actually. never met someone I've never dated. someone who I wasn't friends with first, really. It's interesting and I don't know if I. recommend it. I'm still testing that. theory out. Right. The guy that I'm seeing now, we fully.

were not friends prior. I think almost. every guy I actually have ever dated I. never was friends with them prior. Interesting. So we're like opposite with. that. And I don't know if mine have worked in. the past either. So I don't know. Yeah, so we don't know. We have this. hypothesis out there that we don't know. what's true. we need to talk about This is like our. big wrapping up catty girls and girls. and just all things. And I know that you. in Summer House have dealt with like so. many girl dramas. And I think so I such.

an underrated topic. Like we can talk. about guys all day, but really like girl. drama is so [ __ ] hard to navigate. And I think it's interesting that you're. saying you have had friends in the past. that like you you are more almost a. girlfriend with like best friends with. your partner rather than having huge. groups of girls because it I agree it is. hard to navigate. girl groups. And I've never been someone. that has like 20 friends. I I want my. close circle and that's that. But like.

what is your dynamic with girlfriends? So I'm definitely a girls' girl. Like. I'm very girly. If like I have like. girlfriends, you know, like I have their. back. Like I'm down for them. Totally. But girls like just innately like when. we all get in a room it's automatic like. look them up and down. Like is this my. competition? Like where guys get into a. room and they're like what's up, bro? Like dapping each other up. And and it's. like I wish I I wish we had that. And I.

don't know why we don't, but it's. already automatic competition. But I'm the type of girl that like if I. meet you, I like you initially until I. until you do something and then I don't. like you. Where I feel like a lot of. girls are prove to me on like why I. should like you. And it's like it's very. off-putting to me. I agree. I went to an all girls high school. Um and I had a really great group of. girlfriends in high school, and I didn't. deal with that much cattiness. I mean,

we definitely had it, but I think it. prepared me a lot for like the real. world. I also can pick up in like 3. seconds when a girl is talking about me. like at a party. I'm like, I absolutely. know that she's talking about me, and. like now I can read her lips. And my. friends now will be like, "How do you. know that?" And I'm like, "I went to an. all girls high school. This was the. cafeteria. Like, I know what's up when a. [ __ ] is talking about me.". So, it's definitely hard, and then it's just. we're in like I not to like sound like,

"Oh my god, toot my own horn." But like, I'm in like a very different career. path. And so, I think it's like. sometimes girls get a little bit. jealous, but I'm like, "I'm like a loser. at heart. Like, you like come over and. like let's watch a movie. Like, I'm not. like exactly how I am on my Instagram, like always perfectly made up and like. whatever.". But I think it's just weird. Like, girls. just normally have like a jealousy. streak. And of course, there's times. where I get jealous of other girls, absolutely. But I always see it like if. you're my friend and I'm successful,

like I want you to be successful. And. like if I'm eating, you're all eating. Like, we're doing You know, and it's. like me and my one girlfriend talk about. this all the time. Like, if I'm going. out with my friends, I want them to look. hot, too. What Like, I don't want to be. the only hot one when I'm going out. Like, I. Yeah, like you Like, no, I'm going to. tell you that outfit sucks. And like, let's change because I want you to look. good. Where I've been with girls that. are like, "Wear that. Wear something.

else." And when I'm like, "I know I. don't look good in that.". And that's [ __ ] up. How [ __ ] is that. with You're so right. I remember in. college, I had this one girl that was. like so conscious of wanting to be the. hottest girl, and it was so obvious when. I would watch her tell some girls what. to wear. And then I would be like, "Yo, like you should probably wear this. instead. Like, come borrow my clothes.". Because I was watching her. Girls that. feel insecure when they're around hotter. girl Listen, I have been in rooms that. I'm like, why does she look like that? What's that What is happening? Oh my.

god. In New York, it's like you walk into a. bar, everyone's 5'9 and with Wilhelmina. and you're like, cool. Like being short in New York, I'm like. all of a sudden I feel like a little. [ __ ] toad. I'm like, I'm gross. me and one of my girlfriends always say. like it's now about being short and. funny. Thank you. Now I'm going to feel better. about my. life. being around tall girls immediately I'm. like I can't go anywhere without heels. now. Like I have to always wear heels. I'm like, why is my torso 2 inches? But it's like there's no doubt I all the.

time have felt insecure going into rooms. with girls and I'm like, oh my god. You. obviously size yourself up, but like. girls that try harder to make you feel. I'm going to read you some questions cuz. this is all like girl code [ __ ] that I. feel like you probably have dealt with. like a lot of this. This is from the. Daddy Gang. You guys wrote these in. Um. a lot of it is like what to do about. like dating, etc. But here we go. Okay. Um. Is it okay for friends to reserve guys. even if they're not dating them? Like to.

call a guy Like to be like, I want that. one. Like no one's allowed to touch him. Like do you think that's fair? If you guys are all meeting this I think. if you see a guy and you're like, I. really I think I really like that guy. I. want to try and talk to him, then yes. Because if one of my girlfriends says to. me, I really want to talk to this guy, automatically I'm like, okay. Well, so. then I'll never talk to him. Like you're. I actually am automatically not. attracted to that guy because my friend. likes him. Yeah, so like if you want to dibs a guy.

and your friend's like, no, I want to. talk to him. That's weird. Like why. would you even be competing for the same. guy in the first place? agree and I think the only time that it. would be no is if she does that and for. the next few weeks if you guys see them. out nothing happens, then like in the. next season all of a sudden you're on to. a new guy and it was like, okay, I think. I'm going to try for him like I'm kind. of vibing. But it's like if they never. hooked up obviously. Yeah, and if he and it's known that like. that girl or that guy is not liking your. friend, you have to tell your friend. like okay, get over it he doesn't like. you. Totally. Which my friends have done that. to me a. million times. They're like get over it.

You're like okay, okay, fine, fine. As people literally this is like not. even a question but we'll just answer. it. People kept asking if I had sex with. him on the DL before he started dating. my friend, do I have to tell her so she. knows? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think even if you made out with him. Right? You have. Even if you just went on a date. Yeah, I had a girlfriend one time match. with a guy on Raya, texted me like his. picture, Instagram or whatever and I was. like I'm going out on a date with him. and I go, "Cool, have so much fun. Got. to let you know 3 years ago I slept with.

him one time. Didn't mean anything. We. don't speak." And she's like, "Cool.". Great. And I'm like, "Okay, great." No, I think transparency is key. if he tells, yeah. And if he tells her. first, then you look like a sneaky. [ __ ]. Okay, um. Girls that think they're just being. straightforward to you but are really. just rude. Do you know those girls? Yeah, they're like I'm just I'm just I'm. real. I'm honest. I'm just I'm I'm. authentic. I'm myself. "You're a [ __ ] bitch.". Yeah, I think dealing with those type of.

girls I always just let I kind of feel. like I know one of the girls on your. show that I think of with this. Yeah. going to say her name but like girls. that are. rude sometimes even though they're. trying to come off real. Mhm. There's no point in going at them. because they're in their own world. If. they're being rude to you pretending. they're being straightforward, my advice. is always just like kind of look at them. like they have five heads and just no. response. And what my dad always used to.

tell me and it's the best [ __ ] line. is if someone's being an [ __ ] to you. and like saying something and trying to. make you feel little, you just stare at. them and you go, "What's your point?". Yeah. And then think about it. And then. they're like. And then they're like, well, I was just. and you're like, okay, well, what's your. point? What's your point? And then. My mom, wow, I feel like our parents. would even be friends cuz my mom gives. the advice of, so what do you mean by. that? She's like like cuz if you make. someone explain to you, then they just. automatically start sounding dumb cuz.

they don't even know. So then they're. like, I just mean like and you're like, I don't. I don't get it. Gotta go. Bye. And there's a fine line between being. real and just being an [ __ ]. Thank you. If you're going to hurt someone's. feelings with your realness, keep it to. your [ __ ] self cuz we probably didn't. have to hear it in the first place. agree. Okay, would you ever hook up with. a guy that your friend dated for two. months? Um, probably not unless this guy was. like, I was like, this is my soulmate.

and I would definitely talk to my friend. about it first. Like if she was like, oh, that's like, I can't even. But if it. was one of those guys that like she. always liked Like, yeah. I don't I think. friends and mixing guys is like gets. very messy and I don't ever really do. that. I would never do that. Is it okay to date someone's ex if you. aren't close but you run in the same. circle? Yes, you don't know that girl. I agree. Nothing. Totally. Um, okay. Oh, how close of a friend do I.

need to be to give my opinion on their. relationship or just never? So I have a hard time with this because. I have been documented giving Hannah all. my feels. Um. I think it yeah, I think it depends on. how close you are with your girlfriend, but there have been multiple times where. my girlfriends have been like, hey, snap. the [ __ ] out of it. He doesn't like you. You're making yourself look stupid and. now you're making all of us as like a.

girl group look stupid. Right. And I have been like, thank you. You're. correct. But there is a line where like. if your girlfriend's in like a toxic. relationship and you talk so much [ __ ]. about him and then like they get back. together and then you have to be out at. dinners like it's going to be [ __ ]. awkward. I like live my truth and I'm. like you're better than this. I'll chill. with him cuz it doesn't affect me. I'm. not the one dating him, but you should. know that you're better than this. I agree. I It's like I remember being in. high school and I had such a hard.

situation. It was I had a group it was. four of us girls and we were all on the. soccer team. We were best friends. We. did everything together and one of our. one of the girls was dating when we were. freshman. She was dating a senior and he. was like the hottest guy on campus. So she So she. Hottest guy on campus the whole thing. and we found out he was like fully. cheating on her and I remember my friend. and I were like what do we do? Like this. is so scary like we have to tell her and. we were young innocent like freshman at. the time we're like oh my god we got to. tell her and I will never forget in.

hindsight we shouldn't have done it the. way we did but like during lunch we like. wrote her a letter. You were like dear. Sam. Ronnie was at the club. So dude we should have. So I will never. forget we bring her to a bench on campus. and we all sit down. How poetic. There's like grass around us and we in. our true minds we're like oh my god like. she definitely has no idea and we were. like we have to tell you something. We.

told her. and she looked at us. so. all of a sudden like kind of pulls back. a little bit so defensive so doesn't. believe us stands up and is like I'm. going to talk to him. He walks out right. of like one of the buildings and they. make eye contact and she walks to him. and for the next like few months it was. really awkward between us because she. didn't believe us until a picture came. out at like a school dance of him like. fully tongue down the throat and then we. were awkwardly like sipping our slurpees.

in the corner like whoa, that's an. interesting photo. That's weird. Where'd we get that? See, I've always been the type of girl. where like if my girlfriends ever came. to me and were like, "We think he's. cheating on you." I'm like, "Let's go.". Get the Facebook app. Well, how are we. going to figure it out? Five computers. Yeah. Yeah. Like someone start [ __ ] an FBI agent. Like here we go. Let's get to the bottom. of this [ __ ]. Yeah. What are we doing here? that's why if my friends ever came to. me, oh, he's cheating, I'm like same. vibe. But I do think that is weird that. I learned like when they're in a toxic.

relationship, most girls probably have a. little feeling that they are and they. didn't she didn't want to hear that. information. She probably knew. She. thought it was the best she could get. And then later on, she ended up spending. her entire college on and off with this. guy and like he fully broke her heart. and kept cheating and like now she spent. like eight years of her life with this. dude and he kept serial cheating. I. think though from that at a very young. age, I learned like I'm going to. Sometimes you just got to. you got to be aware of who you're. dressing.

Yeah. I can't help myself but I'm if I know. someone's getting cheated on, I'm. telling them. As a friend, I feel like. that's my duty. If I don't really know. the girl, I'm not going out of my way to. tell a girl. Me neither. your boyfriend's [ __ ] on you. Like. don't give a [ __ ]. Unless she's one of my girlfriends that. I talk to every single day or like every. week. Even if it's one of my girlfriends. I don't talk to you that much but she's. like my girl. I'm telling her. If she's an acquaintance, I'm not. getting involved in that whatsoever. Also, like I've learned through dating.

like for what however long I've been. dating, like 15 years, always trust your. gut. Boom. Always. And like there's so many times where I'm. like, "Damn, am I a psychic?" Because I. need to trust my gut more and like I've. been right. And any girl that is wondering, should I. tell my friend? Go tell your friend but. then also be like, I'm down for whatever. you want to do. I'm here to handle it. with you. But once you tell them once, you don't need to keep harping on it cuz. then if they do stay, they're choosing. to stay. You know what I mean? Right. Absolutely. Like you don't bring it up.

again and you're like, "Whatever your. decision is, I back you up cuz you're my. friend, but here's the facts.". Having a friend that you had a fall out. with, would you send your ex best. girlfriend a happy birthday or nah? No. No. No. If we fight and like it No, [ __ ] you. Like literally not at all. I'm like not. texting an ex best friend. Like, "What?". Um no. Roommate fights when you still. have to live together post fight and. you're not making up. Like, what do you.

do about fighting with roommates? Go to your boyfriend's. No. Stay there. Stay there. Hide. Bunker up. Just like be gone. It's It's interesting cuz I've learned. through having lived with like a bunch. of soccer girls in college, post college. girls. Like, I've definitely learned the. balance of fight, but like keep in mind. that you do have to wake up near that. person the next day if you don't have a. boyfriend. Um but it also does come to a. point where like have sit-down. conversations, not one-offs and then.

walking away. Like, "Hey, let's like. schedule time to sit down and like let's. just talk through this." Cuz like you. literally have to live with that person. It's actually really interesting that. you say that cuz my ex used to always. give me that advice if I was ever. fighting with a friend. Like being. really adult about it, almost like you. work together. Like, "Hey, can we. schedule a time rather than just like. walking in their room being like, 'Hey, let's talk.'" Because like scheduling a. time it's like, "I'm serious. Like I. want this to work and I want us to like. I want to hear you out. I want you to. hear me." Like there is a different I.

don't just a vibe with it. Yeah, you just have to be way more. respectful because it's it's now past. friendship. You don't have to be best. friends, but you do have to live. together. Ooh, I feel like you have. this. This can be our last one. Okay. When your best friend or just a friend. is always copying and trying to one-up. you with like your outfit, boys. There. was one girl on the show that used to. come out of the room dressed exactly. like. Yeah, which I actually always feel so. bad for that because she is the nicest. girl ever and like she really didn't.

copy me as much as it really did look. and I also. had similar style. her too like it was a form of like she. looked up to you. She loved your style. and you like inspired her. sister. Boom. And like I loved when she would wear. similar things cuz I'd be like you look. [ __ ] great. Like wear it. you ever gotten mad at like anyone of. your friends for like trying to always. copy you? Yeah, I've definitely had friends who. are like always trying to like one up. and be like yeah, no I have that too and. I have that whatever and it gets.

annoying and I always talk to my mom. about it and she always like snaps me. back to earth and she's like that's sad. Like that's something in them that. they're like insecure. Like so let them. just have it. So whenever someone's like. trying to one up, I'm always like that's. so good. Like that's amazing and then. they almost kind of feel like. Oh. Oh, this is weird and then they. sometimes stop. Dude, I will never forget one of like. the one of like the dumbest biggest. fights I had with one of my ex-friends. is.

I bought a pair of boots, okay? I bought a pair of boots that one of my. friends was like oh my god, I'm obsessed. with this company like buy this boot. Bought the boot. The one that like. Emrata always wears or whatever. Okay. And so I post on my story like wearing. the boots going out and she texts me and. she's like. No, she DMs me and she goes what are. what brand is that boot? And I was like. oh my god, it's like Schutz boots. You. know those that brand? yeah. I know exactly what you're talking. about. And I'm like oh my god, it's Schutz. boots like they're so cute.

Was it was Emrata was wearing those like. cowboy almost looking boots? Okay. And I'm like oh my god, like I tag I. like send it to her DM her and I'm like. oh my god, you have to check out the. boot. And she she DMs me back and also like. DMing like we were fully living together. and she's And she's like, "Um, Alex, you. know that I own that boot.". I have had at that point fully never. been going out with her. She had a. boyfriend. I was going out with my I was. like,

"Oh Oh, like, no. I I didn't know that. you had that boot and it's a black boot. that we I had." It was a black boot. And. I was like, "Oh my god, like, I'm so. sorry. No, I didn't know, but like, that's great. Like" And then she was. like, "I can't believe that you bought. that boot. You know that I have that. boot." So, then it transfers to texting. And we are going in a She's fully be. like, "You are Like, I can't believe. this. Like, I just want one thing that's. like mine and like, you post more on. Instagram than me and it's not fair that.

you have the boot now and now everyone's. going to know the boot as yours and now. I don't I can't wear the boot and this. is so" And I was like, "There It feels. like there's something under this." It's. like a little bit. is This is something deeper. It's. something deeper. like, we never go out together. So, like, no one We're never going to And if. you want to wear it if we ever go out. together, I won't wear the boot. Like, it's a black boot. Like, I'll. What?" And I was like, "I got three. other types. Like, it's not It's We're. not" And it was just It went on for an. hour. And I remember calling my mom and. my other best friend and I was like, "Am.

I off on this? Like, she's losing her. [ __ ] over a boot." And. Yeah, it wasn't the boot. It just It. wasn't the boot. It wasn't. Because like, I have a. girlfriend who anytime we ever go on a. trip, I pack. quadruple the amount I would pack. because I know this girl's not bringing. anything and like, she's going to want. to wear clothes. So, she'll call me and. be like, "I hope you packed extra. leather pants." I'm like, "You're so. annoying, but yes, my luggage is over. the weight because of you." But if there. was ever an outfit, like, there have.

been times when I've been away with her. and I'll pack an outfit and I've never. worn it, tags are on it. And I'll be. like, "I want to wear it first.". Totally. Like, cuz I picked this outfit. out like, and then you can wear it. Like, absolutely. Totally. It's all about just being. respectful. Yeah, and like having communication. That's what I I remember just being. like, I will never wear it when you are. wearing them. You can always wear them. Like, I was going above and beyond like, we're talking about a boot here. Like, here we go. And it was just it was an it.

was a moment of being me being like, she's clearly feeling insecure about. something, and I'm going to try to. appease her in every way because this is. a fight over a boot, and there was. clearly more that came out later, and it. was just one of those moments. Like, with girls, I agree. I could give two. [ __ ] if my friends borrow Lauren. literally just borrowed my bra and. underwear for a date the other night cuz. she didn't have a cute enough [ __ ]. thong set. And I'm like, I don't care if. people think that's gross. Like, I don't. care about that [ __ ]. Here's the thing, I don't think that's. gross. Right? I don't think it's gross at all. Like, if my girlfriend was like, one time it.

was Valentine's Day, and I lived with. like one of my girlfriends, and I was. like, [ __ ] Like, I don't really have. lingerie. She pulled out these like. crazy pieces. I was like, I was like, I'm not old enough to even put that on, but thank you. Like, Thank you. If you're helping your girls out like to. be the best they can be, I don't [ __ ]. with you. I agree. I think to everyone listening, like, to wrap it up, like, try to be a little less defensive around. your girlfriends. And even I've always. said, people that like are like, I wish.

my friends would even listen to Call Her. Daddy. Like, having an open. communication about your sex life with. your friends. I'm sure I'm sure you one, having a podcast, and two, being on. Summer House, I bet has helped you. almost like talk more about and be open. more about your relationships and sex. life with your friends. And some girls. can't have a conversation about like, oh. my god, I gave him head last night. because some girls are so judgy. And if. you're around girls like that, find a. new friend group. Seriously. I have a group, and I'll this. will be like the last thing I say about. like friends. I have a group of guy.

friends who are. perfect. Like, they really are the best. guys ever. And I watch them with each. other and they hype each other up so. much. Like no one is talking [ __ ] about. anyone else in their guy group and I'm. like this is like beautiful. Like it's. really sentimental how much you guys. [ __ ] with each other. And I was like. girls should just be more like that. And. now I'm like in a group and I have a. bunch of girlfriends who like some of. them are new girlfriends, some of them. are old girlfriends, but it's so much.

more fun to hype each other up. Yeah. And you have such a better time when. you're out if you're like that's the. baddest [ __ ] in the room and she's my. [ __ ] friend. Like rather than looking. at her and being jealous cuz she looks. so hot that night. Like you're going to. have a night where you look the hottest. I wore an outfit one night out with like. one of my best girlfriends and the bo-. the boys that we were with were like. Paige your outfit looks so good. And she. comes up and she goes Paige, do a. [ __ ] twirl. You look so good. And I.

was like that's my best friend. And you. would do the same thing for me. Oh, no. know when you have a bomb outfit, she's. going to have one one night and you're. going to do the same [ __ ] thing for. her. Yes. I will tell her. I'm like you like. run that way and I'm going to take an. Instagram video of your ass and I'm. going to post it cuz you look so good. So [ __ ] good. Like why would I not do that for my. friend? I agree. I think girls need to take an. like a page out of the guys book at on. that one. Like be less stuck up, be less. in your heads. Like we're all going to. get ours. Yeah. You're fine.

Just because one person is successful or. like killing it at the moment doesn't. mean that takes yours away. You guys. it's just different timing. Okay, Paige. Yes. We've almost been talking for 2 hours. I. can't explain to you how happy I am that. you finally came on. I was thinking. This is so good. Now next it has to be me, you, and. Hannah on an app. Yes. Oh my god. I mean we'll talk for 24 hours. Literally. I feel like I'm nervous. You need to tell us where we can find. you on social media and then also tell.

us like about where Summer House airs, etc. Okay, so my Instagram is Paige_desorbo. and then Summer House is Thursdays at. 9:00 p.m. Oh my god, this. Alex, this was so fun. so fun. It wasn't scary, right? No, not at all. I feel like I was. talking to like one of my girlfriends. Okay, I love you, Paige. Thank you so. much for coming on. Daddy gang, go show. her love in her DMs. You guys are scary. People need to know that you guys like. them and support them. I love you. Thank. you so much, Paige. Thank you.