Nelly Furtado: Embracing the Single Life (Full Episode)

What is up, daddy gang? It is your. founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call. Her Daddy. >> Nelly Fertto, welcome to Caller Daddy. >> Hi. >> I am so happy we are finally doing this. I'm the biggest fan. Thank you for. coming today. >> Oh my gosh, I'm This is so fun. So, I've. only been here a few minutes. I'm having. so much fun. >> I'm having so much fun. We have to tell. the Daddy Gang who are my audience. First of all, Daddy Gang, Nellie's. daughter is Daddy Gang. Can you tell me.

what did she say when she found out that. you were coming and call her Daddy? >> Well, she's been wanting me to come on. the show forever. She's been talking. about it since like we started making. music for this album, some of it. together. And uh and I was like, "Yeah, I mean, I love that. It would be great. Like, your show's amazing. You're. amazing. Love your energy." So, >> she's thrilled. She's like, "Right on.". And then I was like, "Okay, come help me. with that." So, yeah, her and her friend. are here today. They're excited. I love. it. >> She'd almost stayed in the room, but I. was like, I'm just going to be like. looking at her the whole time, so she's. in the other room. [laughter]. >> It's so fun to have you here, and it's.

so cool to like know that your daughter. is Daddy Gang. Meanwhile, I'm the. biggest fan of you. So, it's all coming. full circle. Um, you've had such an. incredible career. Obviously, you've. been in the spotlight. You've also made. decisions to step out of it at times. Like, when are you at your happiest? >> Oh, wow. In general, in life? >> Yeah. >> Oh my god. probably when I'm like at the. park with my children just kind of like. pushing them on a swing or something or. but then I'm also quite happy when I am.

kind of waving my freak flag at a. concert and singing on st on my concert. on stage because it's also my other. chance to really be myself. Like I do. feel very myself when I'm on stage. Like. I'm like this is my chance to just be as. weird as I want to be. I fit in when I'm. on stage, right? I think though that's. like a relatable somewhat relatable idea. of like we have these two sides to. ourselves like no one is just. one-dimensional, right? >> Not at all. And that is like key. That.

is like Uhhuh. Yes. >> Would you say you're able to have. somewhat of a normal life? Like if. you're at the park, >> are you at the park as like mom Nelly or. like do people like come up to you and. are you. >> No, I am very good. I'm very chameleonic. like not only in my music but like in. the way I look. So I can be I I like you. wouldn't you wouldn't recognize me. I. mean sometimes I don't care. Like. sometimes a little it depends what mood. you're in, right? >> So true. Like sometimes you're like. let's be social and other times you're. like yeah but usually if I'm around my. kids like I'm not really Yeah. I'm.

pretty I don't really want to kind of. engage in that way. >> Okay. I have to know because this is. Caller Daddy. >> What is the difference in your opinion. dating Canadian men versus American. [laughter] men? >> This is such a good question. Now we're. getting the juicy bits. Just so you. know, all my friends know this about me. I love love love. It's my favorite. topic. I try to set people up all the. time poorly. I don't have a very good. success rate, so they kind of roll their. eyeballs at me. Little Cupid, but I do. love American men. I do. But I've found.

some interesting Canadians along the. way. >> You have? I [laughter] was going to say. like if you had to say some high. quality. Yeah. >> What is your type? >> My type? Oo, it's changing. >> Okay. >> Yeah, my type is changing. Yeah. talk to. me about it. >> Well, I'm in my 40s now. So, I'm about. I'm 45. I'll be 46 soon, which is wa. >> love. >> And um it's like a new beginning for me. It's like a f a very fun time in my life. because I didn't really get to be single.

in my 20s, right? I I was pretty like. locked down in relationships like from. the time not locked down in a negative. way, but just like you know, I was in. relationships for much of my 20s and. 30s. So only recently have I think in. the last few years I've become single. again and so it's so fun dating. I love. it. >> You do. >> I do love it. >> because it's on my watch when I feel. like it. >> Right. [laughter] You're like on my. terms on my terms voice. >> and it's like when you come correct, you.

know what I mean? So now my type is like. come correct. you know, they ask me out. on a date or for dinner or just like. >> it's all in it's all in the way you the. words, you know, use the the sort of um. >> Yeah, I like confidence. I adore. confidence, >> not you saying come correct, boys. Come. correct, men. I'm obsessed. That's a. great attitude to have because I know I. have a lot of single girls listening and. it's like I think a lot of people want. to have that like excitement towards. dating. >> Yes. But you have to enjoy being single.

authentically. You can't just say, "Oh, yeah. I'm out here. I'm having fun. dating." No. If you. >> if you're looking for a relationship for. real, then be authentic about that. But. if that's not what you're looking for, ask yourself, "What do you want?" You. know, and if you want to just have fun. and see what's out there and and and. that's fine, too. >> True. You just have to know what you. want, >> but be real with it. Yeah. >> We're going to talk so much more dating. First, I have to acknowledge there is a. another very famous musician that. obviously is from Canada who you.

actually performed with. Can you please. explain [laughter]. how you ended up singing? >> Yeah. >> I'm like a bird with Drake. >> Oh my god. Drake. Yes. We go way back. Actually, he had just asked me to come. sing again a couple nights ago on. Saturday night. He's like he asked me at. 11 p.m. to show up at 1:00 a.m. And I. love him to death. But I was like, I am. not showing up without glam. [laughter]. I thought you were gonna say like I'm. asleep. You're. >> like, "Bitch, get me glam. Then maybe. I'll roll up.". >> I was up. Okay. I was up. But I was.

like, it was an event. It was like this. really fun event in Toronto. And I was. like, >> "No, I can't show up without glam.". Because of course, you know, he's so. famous. It'll be everywhere. You're. like, I want to have my beat on. Okay. I. want to make sure. fit outfit, >> right? like you got to come snatch to. the gods with the lashes and the be. You're like, "Babe, give me 5 hours. Oh. my god." So, you just didn't go. >> No, I could I couldn't make it that. time. But, you know, >> I'm obsessed.

>> But anyways, yeah, I do I do love him a. lot. He's a great guy. And I think that. um I mean, he's done a lot for the music. industry. You know, Toronto was a secret. for a long time. A secret that I loved. as well growing up there and making. music there in my teens, my early 20s. But now, it's just so nice. He he kind. of really put Toronto on a map in a. different kind of way in Canada in. general. But anyways, yeah, that's how. that went down. >> The fact that you can be like Drake, like I don't have my makeup tonight. Like, I'll pass on this one. Like, oh my. god, so [laughter] baller. >> I kind of wish I did though cuz I saw a.

video and he looked pretty cute. He had. a yellow tracksuit or something and he. looked good. Yeah, shout out. >> But then I'm like, what would I have. worn? Pink. >> cuz it would have been all videos of. yellow and then you know like what. color? >> I love that you think of all this stuff. That's what that's what performers do. We always think about what things like. pop, especially in pop music, you think. about what things look like, too. >> I want to talk before you were a. [laughter] performer because like it is. such a glamorous life and we get to talk. about like the outfits and the fashion. and all of it. But before you were. famous, you worked as a housekeeper in a.

motel. >> Yes. A chamber m. >> Was that your first job? >> Well, that's a good question. My very. first job was actually um it was the. same year I did like I would jump over. the fence. um at my childhood home and I. would do filing. Oh. >> For like a home inspection company. So I. would but I would it was long hours but. uh it it was helpful I think to just sit. there and organize and then I got a job. at the motel. It was called the Robin. Hood Motel. >> Yes. And my mom worked there. My sister,

my aunt, my cousin, my mom ran the. housekeeping department. She was like. the head honcho there. And so she hired. me and I would every morning just show. up. I mean, harder [snorts] in the teen. years when you're out the [laughter]. night before and then you get there at. 6:00 a.m. and I'm like, "Where's the. coffee?". >> Right. Right. You're like, "Hello.". >> Yeah. And my brother was uh gardening. there at the time, too. So, we'd be like. Saturday mornings like, "Okay." Um, but. it was such a good experience because I. worked there for probably 10 summers. straight. >> Wow. I even worked there one summer when. I thought like after I graduated high.

school and I went to Toronto and thought. I was going to be famous in two months. But reality, you know, like that's not. how it works. Your goals take a while to. achieve. Moved back home, worked there. again that year when I was going to. college in my hometown of Victoria. >> Oh my god. >> And that was the year where I was like, "Oh, I wonder if my dreams will come. true." You know, but growing up doing. that was good because the work ethic. because when you get into this industry, woo, the hours can be long. When you're. starting out, it's a lot of hustling. >> I wanted to talk about that though. because the juxaposition of like being.

someone that is hardworking, working. with your family, and then you get. famous. And I think everyone in the. world now kind of has an understanding. at least of like when you get famous, people start treating the famous person. differently, right? Is there a moment. that comes to mind when you really. started to notice like, whoa, people are. just treating me nice because I have all. these things and I am famous now? >> That's an interesting question. I think. for me in particular, my parents come. from these like really really like.

workingass roots. Like my parents are. from the Azors Islands in a tin from a. tiny island called San Miguel, like from. a tiny village, you know, >> farmers, you know, like just they were. already like picking beans and like. carrying their water from, you know, the. main water fountain to home like when. they were like 10 or 11, you know what I. mean? they're already working at the. farm by the time they're 12. And so. that's my that's where I come from. So. you you really can't get bougie on.

people when you come from those you get. cancelled in your family. [laughter]. You can get cancelled, right? So you. can't you can't even go there. Like I. have no business like acting like I'm. better than anyone cuz I know I'm not, you know, cuz I go and I'm humbled. I. think that's so fun to hear though. because obviously like I didn't know. that but hearing that immediately it. does paint a better picture of like how. you are so normal and like even talking. to your daughter like before you came in. here. No, [laughter]. >> you're like I need to start being. bougie. >> I need to air. But it's it's interesting.

even talking to your daughter how she. was like I grew up with like a very. normal life because she had stepped kind. of out of the spotlight and now all the. resurgence of everything and you coming. out with this album and you know Tik Tok. and everything. She's like now I'm. seeing my mom out there being like oh. like. >> oh my god that's Nelly Fertto. But it's. cool to see that like you've been able. to live a pretty normal life while also. having this superstardom on the other. side of your life. If that makes sense. >> You know what's really funny? Sorry, I. have a story in my mind because she. said, I remember, you know, be careful.

what you wish for, right? Because she's. like, "Oh, mom, yeah, you should start. working again." And then a year later, she's like, "Why are your hair. appointments 5 hours long and your nail. appointments are 3 hours?" I was like, ". like like you've kind of become a diva.". [laughter]. And I'm laughing like, "Well, but you. know, this is my job.". >> You're like, "Sweetie, you know, mom. Nelly, now you're about to meet Nelly. Fertado, the superstar.". >> She said, "What do you mean you can't. pick me up at the airporting room?" I'm. sorry my hair appointment went over. She. was sorry. She was livid. [laughter]. >> I'm obsessed. Oh my god.

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I read that magazines used to edit your. photos by lightening your skin and. changing your body. >> Oh, yeah. >> How did that affect you back then? So. funny because that's it's f I always. find it interesting what people cling to. in stories. So I did a really like a. general interview about uh uh with my. daughter for people but then that became. a thing like oh this is this story but. then I realized oh I get it. It's like. >> I wrote a song about it in 2003. I think. it was my second album and uh yeah it. kind of it's called powerless and it's. like paint my face in your magazines.

make it look lighter than it seems. Paint me over with your dreams like. shove away my ethnicity. So at the time. it's more about the idea of okay wait. like I'm in this business like when. you're young and you're 22 23 it's like. it's a whirlwind right like all of a. sudden becoming successful at the career. you always dreamed of. >> and you you if you're in it for the. music like I always was um I think that. all that other stuff with the visuals. and the aesthetics and the oh wow they.

they they like you and you look great on. the red carpet and but then the opposite. is true as well and just kind of. questioning it all. But um it is true. Yeah, I'd bring my own clothes to photo. shoots because I was like a girl, like I. was 21, 22, young girl. But yeah, you'd. see at the time I think yeah, the beauty. standard was a bit different. So, I. think that they would photoshop a lot. and just kind of like, oh, I thought I. had hips or my but it's it's hard. anyways because when you see yourself on. TV for the first time, you know, you. always look different on the camera and. it can be a little jarring like to be on.

TV and uh in at the spotlight that much. at a young at a young age, I guess. So, >> when you look back like because. obviously like I think it's helpful like. I get what you're saying. You're like, "Wait, I did such a long interview and. that's the one thing people picked up. on." I think. >> No, I know. >> No, but I but I think it's I get what. you're saying. It's like that I think. for a lot of people now pick up on. things because people finally do feel. more comfortable to talk about things. that were kind of like hey that was kind. of a weird decision like am I not good.

enough as me? Like. >> when do you go when you look back like. when did you feel your most confident? When you were younger. [laughter]. >> You know what's so funny? I feel the. most confident now. >> What do you think that is? >> 100%. >> Wow. It's now. I don't know. Something. happened. I don't know. I just had like. I had the 40s glow up. I was just like, "Wow." I just feel like me, you know? I. feel like I know what happened. I had. time to work on my inner life, you know? I had time to work on the things you.

don't have time to do when you're busy, right? And then you, you know, when. you're burnt out and you don't get to. journal, you don't get to, you know, go. to therapy, you don't get to go do those. things. But I had I had a good time of. three or four years of doing that. So I. think by the time I got to this stage in. my life um yeah I just feel. >> um super happy with myself. >> Yeah. >> Um even when I get criticized, you know. what I mean? Like I like even I mean who. doesn't read the comments sometimes,

right? It's hard not to. I think it's. human nature to go, "Oh, what are people. saying?" Of course, >> and then you're like, "Wow, certain. things, right?" Like I feel like me. personally have experienced like my. body's polarizing. You know what I mean? which is so it's crazy to say that but. it is because I see like oh wow why did. it's just like wow there's a lot of like. comments and people arguing about like. what I look like or like you know what I. mean it's so interesting what uh fuels. and and triggers people but I think at. the end of the day it can be really.

positive because you're starting. conversations and that comes from. confidence and I think that's what it is. it's like when you're when you are. confident [gasps]. I don't know what it is but I guess. sometimes Sometimes it could be. threatening or very empowering. >> I think sometimes yes. Like people. online are like so triggered by certain. things which is interesting because you. never know what's going to trip people. up. And the fact that you're saying like. my body is so polarizing like why do you. think that's been? >> Well, first of all, my body's changed a. lot. I've had three kids. Uh I'm curvy,

you know, and I have a curvy body. And. like my if you go to like where I'm. where my parents are from from Samiguel, my body is no big deal. Like everybody, every girl on the beach has the same bum. that I have, but [laughter] like it's. like. >> I love it. >> It's true though. So, it's all context. and just maybe they're comparing you to. another era when maybe you looked. different or anything like that. >> Um, but I've had fun with it because. I've been wearing very bodycon clothing. and it's very empowering and I just kind.

of I love I love feeling this confident, you know? I literally didn't even wear. underwear on stage till like a year ago. >> I'm obsessed. Not even. It's only been 6. months. I only let the booty out like 6. months ago. >> I'm [laughter] obsessed. Nelly, I. appreciate you talking about. >> 5 years into my career. >> I love it. I love that you're talking. about that though because I do feel like. people tell you like, "Oh my god, your. 20s are going to be the best years of. your life." And as much as those are. really fun years, I do think the amount. of women that I get to speak to, it is.

very inspiring to hear like, "No, it. actually only gets better because you do. get to know when you're young and you're. 20. as fun as you can have, you don't. fully know yourself yet. You haven't. fully lived enough to really like know. what makes you happy, what makes you. sad, what makes you like uncomfortable. And it feels like I've now had enough. conversations with these like really. inspiring women to be like, "Oh, [ __ ]. it only gets better." Like, get ready. Like, get ready for your 30s, get ready. for your 40s, get ready for your 50s. Like, that's really exciting. >> Yeah. Because you learn, you know, yourself and then you can kind of look.

back and not laugh at yourself, but find. things charming like, "Oh, wow." Like. even in my 30s seems like a lifetime. ago, >> right? You know what I mean? But each. decade is so beautiful. But I kind of. feel like as women like we just get more. confident. And when you can block out. the noise of all the comments that are. negative, it's like, oh yeah, [ __ ] my. booty looks amazing. Bye. Like get out. of here. When I was 37, I had like a. flingationship. I just coined this term. >> Wait, sorry, what? >> Flingationship is like a fling. relationship. So flingationship. >> of love.

>> with um someone who was 23. And at the. time it was just like it wasn't that big. a deal but like I had I was. contextualizing it in my mind like oh. that's so interesting because your. perspective continues to change. >> as you get older on and you reflect on. different things in your life. differently. Like my new album just came. out but I was listening to the one. before it not this one. So it's like a. diary so you can go back and go and so. for me music is a diary so it's kind of. fun. It makes it fun. Let's talk about. some of your iconic songs. >> Yeah song. Um, okay. First, I just want.

to discuss I'm like a bird is such a. classic. What inspired that song? >> I'm Like a bird was um inspired by I was. in a relationship in my very early 20s, >> right? It was kind of like a first. relationship kind [laughter] of first. kind of more like very serious. relationship after my long sort of. long-term high school boyfriend. It was. the next relationship after that. Um, and yeah, I was in a relationship and I. was out in Los Angeles finishing my. album kind of on my own. I was very.

isolated. I was probably 20. I was 20 or. 21 or something out there kind of in. this little apartment. Um, just working. on music and the my collaborators were. kind of older than me and they had their. girlfriends and their wives out there. but not me. So, it was a bit lonely and. um they're like, "Okay, write some new. songs, you know, and bring them in to. the studio." I think it was our first. day working in LA trying to finish my. album after having made the rest of it. in Canada. And I was sitting on a sofa.

Uh at the time this place was called the. Oakwood Suites here in in LA. And uh you'd go to the gym and you'd see. like I don't know like kids I guess who. were doing I don't know if they're. working with Disney or what they're. working but you know it was the place. that people went to make their dreams. come true where they would stay when. they weren't yet living in LA. So, I sat. on a sofa and uh picked up my guitar and. I wrote three songs that day and uh and. the third one I wrote was I'm like a.

bird. And I'm telling you, the one I. wrote before was trash. It was a really. bad song. Really corny, not good. And. you like Yeah, you you never know. You. might just be on the edge of something. good, you know? >> Do you remember like the when you played. it for everyone like on your team? Like. was everyone like Yes. >> My manager was at the studio? Yeah. My. manager Chris was at the studio and and. and he's like, "Oh, okay. I want to hear. what you wrote today." So, I played him. the three songs and I was convinced the.

corny one was good. Oh, >> it was really bad. I can I can sing it. for you. >> Wait, please sing it for me. >> I'll sing in a second, but like. [laughter]. >> it's really crazy. But anyways, so how. corny are we talking? >> All right, so this is the one that I. thought was better than I'm like a bird. Okay, [clears throat]. >> it goes. Okay, wait. It's like he was. [ __ ] sure and I was a [ __ ] hiding in. the corner. I couldn't come out. He was. [ __ ] sure and I was a [ __ ] hiding in. the corner. I couldn't come out.

And I think the end was like here kitty. kitty. Like I swear to go I'm not even. kidding. [snorts] I thought that was. better than I'm like a bird which I then. was the third song on the the demo that. I had made that morning. >> Nelly. [laughter]. >> And my manager said I don't know. Yeah. Okay. Wait, I think I think the bird. one's really good. They both had bird. themes. One was cockt. [laughter]. >> Sorry. >> I am literally like.

>> a little zany. >> No, this is like [laughter] the best. thing I've heard all day to know that it. was between like a [ __ ] and a [ __ ]. versus a bird. >> Yeah. >> Oh my god. Watch that literally trend on. um Tik Tok now and people are going to. cup that. >> Isn't it funny though? cuz I actually. forgot about that till like like a. couple months ago and I was like wa. that's crazy that I'd written a very. horrible song and a song that. >> might be quite good right after. I mean. I'm like a bird [laughter] is I feel. like forever going to be iconic. I'm. curious cuz that song is so inspiring,

right? Have you ever walked away from. someone that you felt like was holding. you back like in a romantic. relationship? >> Well, that song was about that. So that. song uh I did I did want to I did want. to break up, you know, with that guy. So. So I kind of wrote the song, you know. >> Oh my god. Did you write the song and. then break up with it? >> Well, I sent it to him and he and he and. he said, "Hey, I feel like I heard the song like. what's [laughter]. >> Nelly?".

>> Yeah, I did. Yeah. >> So you No context. You just sent him the. song. >> Well, I was like, "Oh, this is my latest. thing." Yeah. No, but no, I think I. ended up that I ended that relationship. on tour, but it was literally it wasn't. very it was like from a pay phone, you. know, on tour like I was with my band, you know, like it was one of those. moments, but it it's very normal. It's. kind of like, you know, your college. boyfriend or something, you know, and. then you move on. So that was my college. is like making music and touring. So I. only did one year of college. So then I.

met him around that time. So I had to. make my dreams come true. And I had I. had things to do and places to be. So, >> but like not like a as sad as it is to. get broken up with for him, it is kind. of iconic that there is a man out there. that can be like that song is about me. Like that is pretty [ __ ] cool. [laughter] I'm sorry. Like I would take. that song being written about me icon. Icon historically. Are you usually the. one ending relationships or are you. >> Oh, I like this question. >> Um I've been dumped before.

>> Okay. >> Yeah. Only once. Oh, flex. >> Yeah, it is a flex. No, that's not true. Two or three times, but more like when I. was younger. But but yeah, like I being. having your heart actually broken by. someone that doesn't want to be with you. anymore really hurts really badly. >> So sad. >> Yeah, it's really really upsetting. And. I hadn't experienced that till like much. later in life, till quite recently in. the last 5 years. And that was uh really. hard for me because I wanted to hang on. >> I wanted to hang on and I didn't get it. And I had built up a lot of expectations.

and things based on things that maybe. were more about me and selfishness, right? And then it was like, okay, like. when do I come to grips with reality? But I've also left Yes. I' I've been the. ender. >> breaker upper. Yeah. >> Do you think it's easier to be the. person breaking up or getting broken up. with? >> Oh. >> Oh my god. >> It's hard. >> It's easier to break up with someone. than to have somebody dump you. Being. dumped is the worst. >> It is pretty hard, I think.

>> No, no, no. It's the best though because. then grow cuz then you go, it's that. whole thing like you got to hit dirt, man. >> You got to hit. >> You got to hit rock bottom. >> I have hit rock bottom before. And it's. a it's beautiful because then I just. come out so strong. >> And it's good. And I'm not saying it's. like perfect and I'm like, oh, >> you know, we we we wear our wounds, don't we? Like our wounds never really. go away. I don't think we can work on. them. You know what I mean? you can work. on them. But like. >> it's okay. You know, you have stuff to. deal with, stuff to work through. But um.

>> but yeah, I think. >> I think it could be a good place. >> bottom of like, oh, you know what I go. back to a lot? >> Oh, >> he's just not that into you. Just look. up if you're ever struggling with. somebody who's broken up with you or. somebody even anybody a fling. relationship, something like that, and. you feel they're not giving you the. attention you want and and something's. off, just like go look up quotes from. he's just not that into you. It is so. healing that often.

>> I've done it before, I think twice in my. [laughter] life where I'm like, "Oh, humbling." It's good. It's good stuff. Me, too. Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> I'm obsessed with you. You're like, "Yeah, it's great stuff. It really just. knocks you back to reality.". >> Yeah, cuz it's that whole if he wanted. to, he would thing, right? >> Absolutely. So true. >> It is. And we're girls. If we wanted to, we would. Right. >> Done. Okay. One of my personal favorite. songs of yours is Maneater. How would.

you describe the woman you're singing. about? Essentially, >> this is so interesting. So, I really did. kind of base that off of a woman that um. was friends with at the time that was. like a colleague was like engaged to her. and she was a knockout and just really. was did personify that maneater energy. and um what at the time what I really. really felt at the time when I was. making that whole album with Timberland. and when we were making maneater is I.

did feel very I was actually only about. 26 or something when I wrote that song, but I felt. like there's something really empowering. about um masculine and feminine energy. together. You know what I mean? When. somebody embodies both and I was trying. to capture that in a song and I really. feel that when I play it live, it feels. primal. It feels like it's for everyone. It's like. >> it's like almost like a verb like you're. maneering. >> You're like manering right now. >> You're maneatering. >> Yeah. I think it's an energy, you know?

>> It's such a confident song. I actually. play a part of it in my tour because I'm. like, "Oh, I can't wait for you to see. it, Nelly." It's like all of these men. come up and they're like magic mic. dancers around me and I'm just in my. element. I'm the only woman on stage and. it's like it is like this empowering. feeling when you hear that song. >> I love that. >> I love that for people. >> It's so good. [laughter] Did anyone in. your team ever when you have like the. song you're like the [ __ ] [ __ ] the. bird, the maneater, [laughter]. promiscuous girl. Did anyone ever think. that it was like too edgy or was.

everyone around you like we love [gasps]. this? >> No, not really. I think I was like just. making that record in Miami. I was. feeling the vibes. I was feeling myself. I'd spend all day in a bathing suit like. playing with my kid on the beach, you. know? Like I was feeling myself in the. sun to be totally honest. And I was. newly single. See, every time. God, [laughter]. newly single brought us maneater. promiscuous girl. Oh my god. >> Yeah, >> that's amazing. >> That just kind of add fresh energy. That. kind of seeing the world through new. like I guess red colored glasses. Yeah,

that energy is very like red and like. passionate. >> Um but also with Promiscuous I actually. didn't write that chorus. It was. Timberland's idea. >> It was. >> Yeah, it was. And then I sat down and. finished the lyrics with Attitude, this. amazing rapper that he was working with. at the time. And I was hesitant, but my. good friend Jim Bean sat me down. And. he's like, I think this is authentic and. I really like this energy and you're you. sound great on it. And I did know I did. know that I like I laced up the verses. and I sounded good and all that. And now. when I sing it, I love it. I It's like.

karaoke time. >> It's Permiscuous is another one of my. favorites. I made a really bad music. video to when I was younger, which. you'll never see. Um can you tell me. though like from that song, how has your. because it is a very again embolding. empowering song. How has your. relationship to your sexuality evolved. over the years? Support for Caller Daddy. comes from Google Pixel. Okay, so I. recently had one of those Sundays where. I convinced [music] myself it was a. great idea to reorganize my entire.

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late 90s when I was a teenager. I was. coming of age, 14, 15. I was blessed to. have that music to listen to. It was. like Mary J. obliged TLC, salt and. pepper, and they were giving this. empowered sexuality and choice. It was. about choice. It was about I am in. control of my choices. And that was the. energy we wanted to capture with a song. like Promiscus. It's a choice. It's an. even playing field. I think to feel. sexy, to feel sensual, you have to spend. time on yourself. You have to spend time. alone. You have to spend time um just.

you have to um tap into pleasure which. is joy right joy is pleasure right so if. you really feel and and and embodied. like in your body like I'm not going to. lie like I feel I feel pretty sexy when. I'm like dancing you know like I'm in. the dance studio because it's such an. act of self-love to apply your mind and. body to something like choreography and. to just be to feel that uh I would say. it's like almost like an equilibrium. And I think from there you can feel.

>> very confident, you know, and I think. it's something you develop. I think your. sexuality is something you develop, you. know, and you start, you know, whenever. in your early teens and then you you. just develop for the self, you know, and. I think that's a healthy place to start, you know. I think that's such a good. like piece of advice because I think. sometimes women can really feel like oh. my gosh like whether they were repressed. when they were younger or religion or. whatever folds into it or shame like. sometimes we can feel like maybe I just. am not as sexual of a person as I wanted.

to be or maybe I don't feel as empowered. to like own it and it's really like if. you know the more you know yourself the. more you'll know what you enjoy and the. more that you'll feel confident to be. able to explore. >> Yeah. It's almost like it's a quiet. game. You know what I mean? >> Yes. blah [laughter] blah. You're just. on the search for whatever like makes. you feel your best and no one can tell. you and you shouldn't ever search for it. through someone else. >> No, I mean I think people can teach you, you know, like I think you can grow in. relationships like I think you can grow.

and you can kind of like pick up things. as you go and like that eb and flow. again. But at the end of the day, yeah, you got to feel you got to feel good. >> You got to feel good, right? Um, do you. fall in love easily? >> I'm changing. I used to. [laughter]. >> That was a pure. Yes, Alex. And I'm a. lover. I love love. I need muses. I'm a. muses girl. Like I need I think it's cuz. I'm an artist. I'm a writer. I create. And it's like I grew up thinking and. just feeling like I'm I love like.

lovers. Like I love to the I love the. idea of um being just really inspired. and the joy in dating and like that. It's like there's nothing like that. But. I also enjoy my solitude so much that I. have had people ask me like friends like. colleagues like why are you even in a. relationship? You have so much going on. in your mind. You should just date. yourself. How are you even able to be. with? And it is true. I like my solitude. so much that sometime it is hard for me.

to be in a relationship. Yeah, >> cuz I'm just like. it's too hard. Yeah, it's like a always. felt like more comfortable to be like. more like a like a. >> like an enjoyable kind of like I'm not. going to say part-time. I don't know. what to say. >> No, what was the thing you said earlier? A. >> I don't know. >> A flip youationship. No, a what was it? >> Oh, a flingation. >> A flingationship. >> You're in your ship. >> You're always wanting to be in your. flingationship. Is that how you say it? Flingationship. Yeah, there you go. >> Flingationship. just kind of um I don't.

know. I follow my my passions and my. lust and my. >> uh my interests too. I do have ADHD and. I think it's affected me. Uh women. experience it differently than men. Uh I. was only recently diagnosed, but I read. a great book and it talked about how. even as women with ADHD, we can pick. partners that kind of make us feel like. we're in the passenger seat because we. want somebody else to make all the. decisions for us and we just want to. coast. Right. >> Interesting. And I found that really. interesting when I read that because I.

was like, "Oh, yeah." And I think when. I'm on my own, I'm more able to kind of. navigate to my whole life in a way that. works for my brain and for my comfort. levels. But I do love and I do love. falling in love and I find that fun. still. But I think my priorities have. changed. >> I mean, I think that's amazing to even. just acknowledge your priorities have. changed and you even talking about like. recognizing something that can affect. your relationships. You being like, I. don't want to just coast. Like I do want. to have more control over my. relationships. Even you just recognizing. that will probably affect the next.

relationship you get into and how you. approach it, right? >> Yes. And you want to stay yourself. I. think that's the most important thing. You don't I I have had a tendency to. lose myself in relationships. So yeah, >> a part of why you returned to music was. because you were going through a. difficult breakup. You talk about in. these songs that experience. Can you. share like what made this breakup so. painful for you? >> Oh my god. Oh, [laughter]. I need a sip of water. >> Yeah, let's take a sip of water. I saw. your body just go.

of an hour, sweetie. Where do we begin? >> Yeah. You know, I don't know. Isn't it. sort of like life, you know, and and. then again it go again we talk about. this experience even when you're in your. 20s and you're growing. Everybody I mean I always wanted to have. a family, you know what I mean? and have. children and this we all have that. dream, you know, of just kind of. settling down and like, oh, now I'm at. the yellow brick road. This is so great. Oh, wait. And now I'm at the yellow. brick road, right? And it comes in all.

these variations. But, um, I think I. just had that feeling like I had finally. kind of arrived at that, you know, yellow brick road and it was like going. to be that for me and then it turned out. that it wasn't. And that's why it hit so. hard. >> You know what I mean? I absolutely. >> because it was the first time it had. felt, you know, like that bright, you. know, where it was like, oh, you know, where you felt like, you know, you had. that profound sense of um a certain kind. of peace, you know what I mean? And a.

certain kind of certainty, right? And. it's that idea when the certainty just. kind of gets pulled out from under you. or the rug gets pulled out and you go, "Oh my god, I have a lot to learn still. I have a lot to learn about me." And you. might have had a horrible experience, you know, and I for sure like I went. through a very difficult time. >> where I think I accepted some things. that uh that I would never accept now, you know, in terms of um the way you're. treated. >> Yeah. >> And.

>> could you share just a little bit like. not. >> Yeah, I can. I will say just for women. listening like. >> of course I know. >> because you can't see it when you're in. it sometimes. >> You cannot at all. You cannot see it at. all when you're in it. And sometimes we. just love so hard and we love and I'm. sure there's women out there too, you. know, when we we become mothers, we're. quite vulnerable when we become mothers. because we just want what's best for our. kids and we want to protect them. And I. think that. in general, I'll say that.

it can really happen to anybody feeling. powerless. You know what I mean? You. could have all the money in the world. and all the resources, but in the mind. really that is your only wealth is in. your mind. And so, um, if you can't feel. strong enough and clear enough to move. out of a situation that might be toxic. for you and not the best for you and. also abusive in any way, you know, um, I.

think that, >> yeah, like I'm I'm definitely. [clears throat] like not here to like. tear, you know, anyone down or anything, but I think that it's honest to say that. >> it is hard when you're in a. relationship. um that has that imbalance I will say. and I I and and abusive qualities. Yeah, >> it is hard to. uh it is hard to see outside of it. because you isolate yourself. You stop.

talking to your friends. you don't tell you know your friends the. truth about what's going on in your life. and you live in a bubble and it's hard. to admit you know that you have chosen. um to not say anything right it's hard. to admit to yourself. >> it is it is. >> right and then on top of that the love. right. love you know keeps you there because oh.

you want to you know and I and I will. say that too. Like I think. as women I think we tend to sacrifice. our happiness sometimes, you know, once. we're once we're in it, >> of course, >> once we're once we're we've fallen in. love, right? We tend to. >> we sacrifice ourselves sometimes. Yeah. And we think we're doing the right. thing. >> Yeah. So often. And I I appreciate you. sharing that, too, because I think when. you are in those situations and you get. so isolated, a lot of times you're like,

how would I even begin to unravel this? Right? like how do I even begin to get. away and like to restart. >> fear fear is huge too because when you. have when you fear you know when you. have fear that can be a very powerful. emotion you can be afraid. >> but you can it kind of like you create. it in your mind you know you can be. afraid like oh what's the person going. to do to me or say about me or like you. know etc etc or. >> I don't know you just you fear you fear. that and again it's heightened when you. have you know like you kids and like.

there's whole other things to think. about or. >> I and I I also agree with you because I. have talked about this on the show. before too of like the thought sometimes. of leaving and all the things that you. think it would take to leave it just. feels more daunting almost than just. staying. Yeah. >> Can you share like. >> how how do you know I [laughter] know. >> I have a song about it on my album. >> It's and I appreciate you writing about. it because it's like it's so real and so. many women listening to this are going. to be like Nelly, thank you.

water. [laughter]. >> Thank you for sharing though because. it's like I do think and it's not like. on you to help all these women, but it. is like the more we talk about it, the. more people I know someone's going to be. watching at home right now being like, "Oh my god, if Nelly was going through. this and she says that she got out of. it, like I can too." Like can you share. how you knew it was time and like how. you actually took the steps to get away. essentially? Um I think there were.

moments where I almost had the strength. but again like something would keep me. there you know where I was like oh this. is you know this is the moment. Um, so I. think that and I will say. having remarkable friends like I'm very. lucky. I have some really really really amazing. friends, really core like childhood. friends that have been there for me my. whole entire life and they just they.

just kind of knew what to say to me and. knew what was too much or too little. And even the hard stuff, you know, I. have some friends that I will say to. ladies out there, you know what? Those. people that are telling you what you. don't want to hear, those are the ones. you need to keep close. Hopefully, they know you well enough to. not repel you with judgment or anything. like that. And it's not judgment. If you. you can sense when it's love. And I. think everyone has someone, you know, maybe one person or one voice in their. life that is maybe like reminding you.

when stuff is not okay and like what. your worth is and what behavior is. unacceptable if you cannot see it for. yourself. >> It's so true. It's like you just need. one person. >> Yeah, you do. One person. >> Yeah. To just kind of be like, "No, actually um I'm not going to talk to you. anymore if you stay right. >> or whatnot." But like, but tough love. doesn't work all the time, but like it's. in doses, right? Um, and I think I'm. trying to think of another thing that. helped me. I think,

geez, that's such a good question. I. think you have aha moments, you know. what I mean? They just have sometimes. like a moment where you're like, okay, you know, um, and then sometimes I guess. I was lucky in a way because maybe like. on top of it, I I wasn't really the one. who chose at the end of the day. Like, do you know what I I went through a. rough time, but then at the end of the. day, it wasn't really my decision, but. then I quickly learned that then, okay,

now I'm doing me. Now's, you know, I'm. doing me now. It's such a vicious cycle. that you can get so wrapped up into. And. then when you get released from. something like that, it can almost feel. like withdrawal symptoms cuz you're like. so used to the up and the down and the. toxic. Like. >> you do and then for some reason your. brain only feeds you happy memories. It's really weird, Nelly. It is so. [ __ ] up. You're like, maybe she was. actually the restaurant, the coffee. shop, like the movie we went to. Yes.

And it's like very weird. >> It's so [ __ ] up. >> That's a tough phase. That's a tough. phase when your brain feeds you all. these happy memories. Let's flood you. with happy because there are happy. memories, right? That's why you That's. why you stay there because there are. some great things, right? >> So, it's it's tricky to navigate. It's. tricky. It's a big mind fuk. But I. really appreciate you like talking about. it that way too because I know so many. women write in feeling like I feel so. much shame that I'm even thinking about. this person that hurt me. And I feel. like it's like. >> no don't feel shame, right?

>> No, don't feel shame about it. It's not. natural. You know what I mean? Like it's. it's natural to want to, you know, to. still feel a multitude of feelings and. >> it Yeah, it's just totally normal. It's. a process. You know what I mean? Because. the truth is it's like anything, right? Like how many band-aids do you have, right? And how long do those take to. heal? It takes time. >> What is a difficult lesson that you've. learned about love that you would tell. your kids one day? >> Oh my god, love. It's funny. I almost. call my album Let's Be Honest, You Know.

Nothing About Love. >> Oh [laughter] my god. >> Stop. >> I'm serious. That was my It was either. called Seven or Let's Be Honest, You. Know Nothing About Love. Maybe I'll call. the Deluxe that. I was about to say. that's what you call it in your head and. then to the world it's seven. You're. like what [laughter] it really is. Let's. be honest, you know nothing about love. Oh my god. Why? >> Like the story of everyone's life, right? It's like we we know love, of. course. Like we I know great love, you. know? Obvious I'm blessed to be a mother. and have wonderful family and friends.

and things like that, so I know what. love is. Um, but if I was to give advice. on romantic love to my children, I'm gonna I'm gonna vote for the golden. retriever. [laughter]. I'm sorry. [gasps]. You got to be best friends. I think you. have to have an authentic true. friendship. If it's about partnership, you know, forget all the other stuff. It's about partnership, but also stay. you, man. Stay you. >> Yeah. And listen to your friends. When. you have a gut feeling, your friends are.

usually always Oh, that's the other. thing. Your gut is always right. >> The little voice in your head that tells. you, and this is not even this like, and. this is past relationship, but the. little voice, >> it's always right. And it's so hard. because I I know it's so cliche to say, but it's like then why do we always. ignore our gut? Why are we always like. But that's like we gaslight ourselves. I. have a song actually I think I'm going. to put on my deluxe called Gaslight. >> Yeah. Another album title was Red Flags. >> Oh [laughter] my god. >> Too relatable. >> I'll take these. Um so anyways, yeah. So.

gaslight. We gaslight ourselves in a. way. You know what I mean? Because it's. like boom boom boom boom. Oh. >> it's Yeah. It's like an echo chamber. Can you share like how do you get your. confidence back after a breakup? >> Oh, me um kind of like exercise and going. out. I started to go out a lot. >> Oh, after my breakup, I was ready. I was. like, I'm because it was such a long. dwindling breakup, but by the end, I was.

like, okay, I'm dating now. This is. awesome. Like, I'm going to after we. did, you know, all the ending stuff. And. then I and I Yeah. just went out and had. fun and just I think I like really found. um a lot of joy in like dressing up. again and like clothing and fashion and. >> Yeah, cuz I think I was like really kind. of wearing like a mommy uniform for like. three years. >> What was your mommy? >> My place was a block away from the. Target. >> Oh,

>> what were we buying at Target? Okay. I. Well, I do remember taking my my. teenager on a tour. >> of Target. >> of of a university because she was. shopping for universities out in. California. >> I thought my shirt was nice, but it it. would looked like a tablecloth because. it was blue and white checkers, but it. wasn't even a flattering cut. Okay. >> And I didn't have time to shop, so I. would just grab like whatever I saw. Nothing against Target, but like. >> I love Target. >> Yeah. Yeah, Target's fun. You can find. great stuff, but I think that I didn't.

diversify. got it. I wasn't really like. I didn't have time. I didn't have time. I didn't have time. Or I just wore stuff. that was baggy, which is totally normal. Like I breastfed all all my kids or like. of course you're gonna you need easy. access. >> So you just [laughter]. >> you do. >> So you just weren't feeling yourself as. much. And then once you got through the. breakup, you're like, you know what? I'm. going to like start putting my cute. outfits on. I'm going to do my glam. I'm. going to get out there. I'm going to go. have fun. >> Well, the studio helped me, too. So I. started going to the studio and I. started writing and I started recording. music again. And I got so many emotions.

out. Oh my god. I got so many emotions. out of the studio. I would cry in there. I would get angry in there. It was so. good for me. It was such a good therapy. >> Wait, is it is it true that you actually. wrote like 400 songs? >> I did. Yeah. >> Nelly, [laughter] can you just like. rewind and tell me like how like if this. house was my studio, what I would do is. I would have just like we're in LA. today. So I'd be like, who's in LA. today? Which of my friends are in LA? Which producers, which writers, which. friends? And that's what informed this. album. This album is really just like a. let's party type of album because I was.

getting over a breakup and I was like my. social life became the studio. >> Oh. >> So like you know like I I you know I. don't I wasn't in the mood to like go. away and write songs by myself on a. guitar. It was like no we're bringing. everybody in. I would invite like people. after their concerts to come hang out. and make music with me. Yeah. And then. my daughter was really coaching me on. too because she was having fun in there. too. So it was like we're making music. now. We're we're we're we're we're doing. we're this like really cooking now and. like really having fun. >> How do you pick between 400 songs of.

what to put on an album? >> I like to stay up late making music till. really late so like the sun comes up and. I get really inspired and I get my bongo. drawn. Just joking. [laughter]. >> Picturing you in there with a bongo drum. like let's go let's go [laughter]. my jbe and I just go till 7. No, but. it's pretty much Yeah, we just like a. bunch of music and we just have fun. And. um the way I pick the songs, oh my god, it's almost like I always say like you.

when you go like you you put flowers. together at a flower shop, it's like why. do you like those flowers, right? And I. think it's also like whatever goes. together and it's like a bit like a. fashion collection just kind of putting. it together. >> I love it. >> One session I had had like. >> a bunch of different people who like. didn't even necessarily make music. Like. I think at one time like like a like a. comedian ended up in there of this girl. and I was like oh. >> what you got? Like I'm very like I'm I'm. a hippie that way. Like if you were I. would make you sing. >> No. >> Yes. I believe anybody can write a song.

I've done that before. I've done like. art SHOW RIGHT NOW. BUT HOW DO YOU. START? >> OKAY. How do you start writing a song? Like where does you even start? >> I'd be like what's your favorite uh. childhood vacation you went on? >> [ __ ]. like Disneyland. I guess. >> see how it's got you in your field. >> Yeah. I'm like, "Oh my god.". >> So we start there. Okay. Disneyland. >> So like you're in a Disneyland. So what. did you like about it? >> Oh, just like the euphoric feeling of. seeing these things come to life that I. always saw on TV. >> Yes.

>> Yes. >> Just like So you'd be like, "Oh, like. Euphoria. Everything's telling me a story. Seen it before. Yeah. Seen it before. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? [laughter]. >> I am [ __ ] chilled. >> That's how I write. >> That's how I write. Starts a song in two. seconds. >> Yeah. And then we'd go somewhere with it. if I keep going. But yeah, >> I am [ __ ] obsessed. >> Yes. >> I'm not okay that you just said that. Thank you. >> Fireworks above the castle blowing my.

mind. [laughter]. >> No, you're. like whatever. >> Nelly [laughter]. me just being like, "Okay, for the rest. of the interview, just saying no.". >> And then we call it Disneyland. Well, Her Daddy is brought to you by Uber. Eats. [music] Okay, Daddy gang, we all. know Uber Eats has the best selection of. local restaurants, but did you know they. also eat when it comes to a whole range. of delivery services? Now, that might be. a lot to take in. So, let's break it.

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>> Oh, that's a good question. I mean, I. think it's necessary at a certain stage. It is. Let's be honest. Aren't we honest. on this show? >> We're being very honest today, [laughter] Nelly. I think that's all. we're doing. >> Come on. >> I love it. >> I mean, it's all it's like energy, right? >> You'll have to like, you know, squeeze. the lemon. >> Oh my god. I love. >> Right. It's like squeeze the lemon until. [clears throat] the juice is gone. So, that's what it's like. So, then I'm one. day like, well, this lemon has no more.

juice, so no more breakup sex. Yeah, I. think it's natural. That is natural. >> And what I hear from other people, too. Yeah, >> I think that's a great take. I love that. >> guys, right? Guys, when they break up. with something, they like, "Yeah, >> yes.". >> Well, yeah, we might have seen each. other once or twice or [laughter] like. last week. >> Literally. Literally. Um, [laughter]. okay. So, are you single right now? >> Okay. You're single. What? >> I'm dating though. Like, I'm dating but. I'm dating different people. >> Oh, love. >> Just like Yeah.

>> You've got like a little roster going. on. [snorts] I mean, I call it a roster, but it's like I feel like that's. derivative. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> You're like, I've got a. >> I like the roster. I've got a plethora. of options. >> No, I mean, I call it the. flingationships. >> So, it's like ooh like it's like a. potential. I will say that I have like. there's different potentialities and. there's different like um levels of like. interest and just kind of and romance in. different areas. I will say I'll. describe it that way. >> Are you going. >> So, yes, I'm single again. love. [laughter].

>> I've been single for a couple years. >> What is your ideal date? >> I went on a really nice date recently. >> Oh. >> Where it was daytime. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> You love that? >> Yeah. I kind of like I think I recommend. the daytime date for our first date. because it's broad daylight. So this. particular date it was very hot so I was. like very sweaty but that was. unfortunate. I actually had boob sweat. >> A classic where you're like. >> I know. Or just like dinner like that. type of thing. I love being like Yeah. just kind of like. >> chill. >> Yeah, just going going out for dinner.

But I like the idea of dressing up for a. date sometimes if it's appropriate. >> But ironically, I like never have time, so I like get ready so fast. But but I. do like that idea. Yeah. >> Would you ever bring a guy to one of. your shows? >> I brought guys to my shows. Yeah. But. it's like it's not really fair because. they just go, "Oh my god.". >> Right. They're going to just like fall. in love immediately. [laughter]. >> They're like, "I love you.". >> It's like it's like show me so. different. But it is cool because you. get to show like what you do. True. >> You know what I mean?

>> But they're immediately in love. >> I mean, >> yeah, [laughter]. >> it's pretty awesome. >> The concert's awesome. Like, it's cool. You know, they see me go up there and do. my thing. Like, >> oh my god. >> Yeah. So, I'm I'm. >> Yeah, I'm strategic about. >> inviting win though, right? It's not. always like appropriate or the right. setting, but it's almost like what would. be like the best weapon in the weapon. shed? What what would be called like. what would like a machete like a. machete? >> The show is like a machete move. Yeah. You'd be like come to my show. So like.

you pull out the machete right away. You. want to time it out anyway. [laughter]. >> Why? I'm obsessed with you. >> What's your next question? You're like. moving on. Oh my god. The machete is the. show. Nelly the machete. No, I can't. I'm done. [laughter] We're moving on. What are some non-negotiables that. you're looking for in a partner? Like. you're like, "If they don't have this, I'm out.". >> Uh the self-work. Yeah. For actual. partnership, like long-term partner, I.

would want somebody who's worked on. their um self in an authentic way. >> Not in like a surface way, but like more. like this the spiritual side. Like a. little bit of exploration there. You. know what I mean? But like authentically. and also like some growth in that. department. I would say maybe growth and. like specifically like ego. I think. [laughter]. >> let's just pause on that. >> We need some third eye coming into the. mix. >> Wait. Like it's [laughter] it's it's.

when the ego is out of control. It's. like it can especially when you start. dating a guy, you can first think it's. confidence and like hot, but then all of. a sudden you're like, "Oh, you're a. dick." But it. >> Yeah. You want somebody confident. Yeah. But but confidence comes from I think a. genuine good heart. You know what I. mean? I think I think for partners, you. want somebody with a good heart. You. want somebody nice. >> Yeah. >> Like I don't know why, but like. sometimes we're attracted to, you know, people who aren't that nice just like to. people. Watch how they talk to like the. people you encounter like on your date.

or whatever when you're dating. Like how. they treat your friends, your family, if. your friends like them, if your family. likes them, all those big green flags. You know, sometimes we don't listen to. our friends and like our friends at some. point don't really care. like they have. no agenda other than wanting you to be. happy. So when people when you guys are. trying to like math it in your head like. well my friends just don't get it. They. don't see that good side of him. It's. like no no your friends just want you to. be happy. They don't care. Listen to. your friends. If they're like he's a. dick. There's a reason. And they're only. seeing a percentage. How crazy is that? And they can even see he's not a good.

person. But we rationalize in our head. and it's a rationalization. >> Okay. Back to your music. You ended up. taking a break from music. Um were you. nervous at all? like how people were. going to react with you coming back. Uh. I'm very lucky because I got to tippytoe. like very slowly into the waters and. then things kind of lined up in a really. cool way. So started with I was already. making music by the time I kind of. showed up on stage after five years with. Drake at a event in Toronto and I sang.

and it was like this is fun. I realized. oh maybe I have something new to offer. this. I've worked on myself. I feel. different. Maybe I'll be better at my. job now. You know I'm older, better, wiser. that vibe. >> Then I started booking more shows. I. booked a show in Australia where I met. Domala. Then we make this track and then. we're playing it at Laala Palooa and. Coachella and it's like crazy and his. raves that he throws after his shows. like just the whole thing. So fun. So. everything lined up so nicely that I was. making my album while I was getting out. there again. So it wasn't so scary,

right? It was baby steps and that to me. was a blessing. What did you learn about. yourself from writing this new album? Oh. my god. Wow. I learned that I've become. an even better like producer and person. who brings people together because I got. to try new ideas. Like I got to try like. like like I have like like weird. justositions of people and sounds on on. on my album. And I think that's just. because. oh my god I love people genuinely. I. have such a curious mind. Like I told.

you like I'd love to have you in the. studio and I want you to sing. >> So I am more interested in like the. craft of making it almost than the. outcome. Does that make sense? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. >> Yeah. Like I'm more into just like, oh, the mad scientist part, you know, >> so like and I found such confidence in. there this time around. I've always been. confident, but this time I was more. openhearted. Like before I used to not. like writing songs in front of people. and now I don't care. I would just turn. the mic on like this, have everything. blast through the speakers. It feels. like you're at a live show and then we. just like hang out and have a good time. So I think I grew in vulnerability.

>> That's amazing. >> My vulnerability. Yeah. It's really. incredible to see how your life has. evolved and like you're such an. incredible talented performer and. producer and you've built an incredible. family and you have these gorgeous. children. >> Last question. What are you the most. proud of with this new album as a whole. and like why do you want people to go. stream it? >> Oh my god. I think the album has a lot. of emotion. I think it has a lot of. purity. Um, and if you just want to. escape, like if you just want to feel.

like you music that makes you feel. something for real, I will humbly say. that I think a lot of the songs do make. you really feel something and make you. really escape. Can I and I spent my time. making it and I I definitely think it's. just really good quality music. >> Oh my god. >> Genuinely, >> Nelly Pado, I. >> But of course, I'm just thinking about. what do I make now? Like I'm just never. satisfied. >> You I mean you have 400 in the bank. >> Like meanwhile, I'm like it's all right. [laughter]. >> Stop. Would you ever pull the songs from. the 400 and make another album out of.

them or no? >> I'm working on my deluxe right now. Who. is your dream collab? >> Dream collabo. >> I mean, I still I still think it'd be. cool to have a song with Drake. I think. people would love that because we're. both Canadian. The lore, you know, Toronto lore. >> Can you please? >> That's our last request is yes. Anelli. Fittado Drake song putting in their. crust now. Done. >> Yeah, I think it would I think it would. be really good. >> Thank you so much for taking the time. and coming on today. It was truly a. pleasure. You are even better hanging. out with you in person. Thank you so.

much. >> A thank you for having me. This was. really fun. >> I had a good time. >> Yeah, I even cried. [music].